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Ask Coach Anything with Scott Turner! (07/21 Fantasy Football Podcast)

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1 hr 2 min
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Jul 21, 2026
Published
Tue, July 21, 2026
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Player insights
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Players mentioned
Topics
A.J. BrownJustin JeffersonLuther BurdenMalik WillisRashee RiceTerry McLaurinCarson WentzChristian McCaffreyD.J. MooreDe'Von AchaneDeebo SamuelDeVonta SmithJ.J. McCarthyJa'Marr Chase
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A.J. Brown

NegativeRole35:50

Scott Turner mentions AJ Brown as an example of a high-investment player (similar to DJ Moore's move to Buffalo) where the team will naturally want to get the ball to him, though Turner notes this is not a forced mandate but rather a natural desire to feature premium talent.

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PositiveProjection53:00

Scott Turner expects AJ Brown to help the Patriots offense take a significant step forward; Turner notes that replacing Stefon Diggs with AJ Brown and Romeo Doubs will open things up for the rest of the offense and result in a very productive unit under Josh McDaniels' coordination.

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Carson Wentz

NegativeProjection55:10

Scott Turner notes that in a key fourth-quarter play against Jacksonville in Week 1, 2022, Carson Wentz underthrew a double-move pass to Johan Thompson, but Thompson made an unbelievable catch for a touchdown anyway, giving Jacksonville the lead and the win.

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Christian McCaffrey

PositiveProjection19:55

Turner references McCaffrey's 2019 season as a benchmark for dual-threat running back production: 1,000 rushing yards and 1,000 receiving yards in a single season, demonstrating the upside of a pass-catching back in a productive offense.

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D.J. Moore

PositiveRole33:20

Scott Turner, who coached DJ Moore, believes Moore is not done and will be great in Buffalo; Turner notes Moore is 29 years old, fits well with Josh Allen, never lets the first guy tackle him, gets yards after catch, and is a smooth route runner. Turner attributes his reduced targets in Chicago to a mutual parting of ways rather than decline, and thinks the move benefits both parties.

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De'Von Achane

PositiveRole23:18

Scott Turner notes that Achane is a pass-catcher in a different personnel situation than his previous backfield mates Derek Henry and Josh Jacobs; Turner expects the Dolphins to target Achane despite Miami having the lowest percentage of passes to running backs in the NFL, based on the strength of the personnel around him and the need to feature his skill set.

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Deebo Samuel

NegativeUsage31:20

Debo Samuel led the NFL in screen pass catches last year, demonstrating his elite ability to create yards after catch on short-area targets.

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DeVonta Smith

PositiveProjection16:16

With A.J. Brown now on the Patriots, Smith is positioned to be Philadelphia's number one target in the passing game. Turner expects Smith to see an explosion of productivity and targets, especially given Jalen Hurts' preference for playing shotgun and the wide zone system.

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J.J. McCarthy

NegativeRole17:52

McCarthy is in a quarterback competition with Kyler Murray for the Vikings starting job. Turner notes that delaying the decision through training camp and preseason is detrimental to the team because it takes reps away from whoever wins the job, and every practice rep is valuable for a young quarterback.

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Ja'Marr Chase

PositiveUsage32:45

Jamar Chase consistently gets a lot of screen pass targets, which Turner notes helps his fantasy value; Chase ranked among the league leaders in screen catches last year despite his elite downfield ability.

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Jacoby Brissett

NegativeRole3:59

Brissett's training camp holdout for a new contract is a significant concern for the Cardinals' offense. As a new staff implementing a new offense, Brissett missing reps in the huddle and not getting live practice time with the young rookie running back creates a notable disadvantage, though his veteran status mitigates some risk.

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Jeremiyah Love

PositiveRole19:40

Love is positioned as a running back who will catch the ball a lot for the Vikings. Turner references Christian McCaffrey's 2019 record-breaking season (1,000 rushing yards, 1,000 receiving yards) as a comparable model for how Love could be utilized in the offense.

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Jonathan Taylor

NegativeRole6:00

Taylor is cited as an example of a recent holdout/hold-in player who experienced slow starts or injury struggles. Turner acknowledges the correlation between holdouts and performance issues is natural, though he hasn't done a deep dive into the specific data.

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Josh Jacobs

NegativeRole6:00

Jacobs is cited as a recent example of a player who held out and subsequently experienced slow starts or injury struggles, though Turner notes he hasn't done a deep dive into the correlation.

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Justin Jefferson

PositiveProjection18:08

With Kyler Murray as the Vikings' quarterback, Jefferson will be the primary target. Turner notes that Murray will feed Jefferson consistently and that Jefferson's role as a pass-catcher will be central to the offense.

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PositiveUsage32:45

Justin Jefferson consistently gets a lot of screen pass targets, which Turner notes helps his fantasy value despite his elite downfield ability; Jefferson ranked among the league leaders in screen catches last year.

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Khalil Shakir

NegativeUsage32:15

Khalil Shakir ranked fourth in screen pass catches last year, indicating a consistent role in the Bills' short-area passing game.

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Kyler Murray

PositiveProjection17:52

Turner expects Murray to win the Vikings' quarterback competition and be productive in Kevin O'Connell's system. Murray's legs will extend plays and create opportunities, and he will feed Justin Jefferson consistently. Turner believes Murray will be their quarterback despite the public competition narrative.

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Luther Burden

PositiveUsage33:10

Luther Burden had 17 screen pass catches despite not having that many total targets, demonstrating his ability to create yards after catch on short-area targets; Turner is excited to watch him this season.

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PositiveRole33:30

Scott Turner notes the Bears feel good about Luther Burden as they move forward, suggesting Burden is the team's preferred young receiver option going forward.

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Malik Washington

PositiveUsage32:30

Malik Washington had 21 screen pass catches last year and Turner notes this could be a huge chunk of what he does this year based on what he saw at minicamp, suggesting the Commanders plan to continue featuring him in short-area passing plays.

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Malik Willis

NegativeRole21:20

Turner likes Willis as a player and notes his ability to run will help the Titans' run game. However, early in the season, opposing teams will force Willis to beat them with his arm rather than relying on the run game. His target percentage to running backs has been the lowest in the NFL over the last two years, which is a concern when transitioning to a situation with Devon Henry, a pass-catching back.

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NegativeProjection26:00

Malik Willis had an 8.6% running back target rate in his previous role, which is unbelievably low—even lower than Matthew Stafford's 10.7%, the lowest among qualified NFL passers. Turner acknowledges this is a concern but expects Willis to improve his RB targeting in Green Bay, though he doesn't expect Willis to go from last to first.

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Marvin Harrison Jr.

PositiveProjection14:01

Despite being drafted 4th overall, Harrison Jr. has not become the Cardinals' number one target as expected. Turner suggests the evaluation may have been wrong—he's a good player but perhaps wasn't supposed to be a top-4 pick. The pressure of being drafted that high to a struggling franchise like Arizona, combined with the possibility he isn't the type of player scouts thought, has compounded the issue.

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Rashee Rice

NegativeRole8:15

Rice has off-field issues that create organizational complications for his team. While Turner notes that players and coaches are professionals who can move past such issues once back in the building, possible suspension and limited reps in games early in the season are real concerns that affect his fantasy value.

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PositiveUsage31:35

Rasheed Rice had 25 screen pass catches despite playing basically half a season, which Turner and Scott Turner find amazing and suggest could be a huge chunk of what he does this year based on minicamp observations.

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Romeo Doubs

PositiveProjection52:00

Scott Turner views Romeo Doubs as a really good player who will have a big year with the Patriots; Turner notes Doubs will get favorable matchups with a very good young quarterback (Mac Jones) who will keep improving, plus Josh McDaniels as coordinator who knows how to distribute the football. Turner expects the offense to take a step forward after losing Stefon Diggs but replacing him with AJ Brown and Doubs, which will open things up for the rest of the offense and result in a very productive unit.

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Terry McLaurin

NegativeRole6:00

Scott Turner worked with McLaurin for three years in Washington and notes that while McLaurin is exceptionally hardworking and prepared, holding out creates a gap between individual training and true football conditioning. When McLaurin returns to camp, he may push too hard too early to catch up with the starting offense, risking injury similar to last year's experience.

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PositiveRole35:40

Scott Turner notes that when he signed Terry McLaurin to a new contract in Washington, he always wanted to throw him the ball anyway because McLaurin was their best player, illustrating that premium talent naturally gets featured without forced mandates.

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Travis Hunter

NegativeRole35:00

Scott Turner expresses concern about the Jaguars potentially forcing Travis Hunter into offensive situations to justify his second-overall draft pick, noting this could create negative effects for the offense and resentment from other players. Turner worries that if Hunter plays limited snaps on offense, every target becomes predictable, and questions whether the human body can handle playing both offense and defense extensively.

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Trey McBride

NegativeUsage32:00

Trey McBride ranked third in screen pass catches last year, reflecting his role as a receiver-friendly tight end in the Cardinals offense.

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Wan'Dale Robinson

NegativeUsage32:30

Wandale Robinson ranked fifth in screen pass catches last year, reflecting his role in the Bills' short-area passing attack.

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Xavier Worthy

NegativeRole12:20

Turner notes that Worthy is a smaller receiver who needs to gain weight, which is not something that excites him about Worthy's future prospects. The implication is that his frame and lack of size are concerns for his development.

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Full transcript

Episode Transcript

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0:00This is Fantasy Football Today from CBS Sports What a play!
0:04Can you believe this? He had no idea It's time to dominate your fantasy league Off to the races!
0:10And he stays on his feet! He's just gonna go the distance!
0:14Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie and Heath Special edition of the Fantasy Football Today Podcast Training Camp Edition you
0:22might say As we welcome back Scott Turner who made a huge mistake He was so good last time he came on
0:29the show that we roped him into another episode If you thought you were gonna be one and done, you were too
0:36good Scott, welcome back to Fantasy Football Today, how you doing?
0:40Doing well, appreciate you having me back on Oh yeah, it's a pleasure because you really were so insightful last time And
0:47now we're gonna ask you some more questions Scott, by the way, is the co-host of the Family Business Podcast Which he
0:55does with his sister Stephanie and his father, Norv Turner You know, every episode shares their unique perspective from a collective 40
1:02years of experience With interviews with coaches, players, and football minds Like Christian McCaffrey and Troy Aikman and Jimmy Johnson And Scott,
1:10of course, has been an offensive coordinator He's been a play caller, he's been a coordinator for Carolina, for Washington, for the
1:17Raiders He was most recently the passing game coordinator for the New York Jets Dave and Jamie are here as well They
1:24are co-hosts of the Fantasy Football Today Podcast Hello, Dave I'm still waiting for my chance to call plays for like a
1:32flag football team in South Florida You gotta do it I would love to do it It would be so much fun
1:39Yeah You'd be great I think he'd run, he'd be way too run heavy though, I think Maybe In flag football, that
1:47would be something Yeah, that's true I would call for a lot of like hooking ladders and laterals and all kinds of
1:54stuff Where I'm just gonna turn the ball over too much Yeah, give it back to them or get big plays, right?
2:01One or the other Jamie Whoever died by the sword Good morning, Jamie Good morning Alright, that's Jamie Alright, here we go
2:09Let's get to Let's get to Scott Turner here I got some very fun, easy stuff to intro the show Training camp,
2:16fill in the blank Training camp is very blank Important Players, blank training camp Dislike Joint practices are blank Valuable I think
2:24the NFL should have blank preseason games I think three I think it's fine where it is Okay Do you think the
2:31joint practices are more helpful than the preseason games?
2:34Yeah, I do I think, you know, what happens is You know, there's so much riding on Obviously the season You know,
2:42and It's very easy Like when you put a plan together in the offseason To talk about Hey, we're gonna work these
2:49players hard You know, we're gonna You know, we're gonna test them physically You know, we want these guys to play in
2:56the preseason games And then as you get closer and closer to regular season Like the threat of You know, having those
3:04guys not out there for a couple games Because of injuries Is real You know what I mean?
3:10And you You know, you tend to pull back a little bit Maybe you have some guys that get some soft tissue
3:17injuries You know, whatever it is And so You know The preseason games And then also There's coaches are paranoid They, oh,
3:25we don't want We don't want to show our stuff You know, we don't want to Even though everyone runs the same
3:32place But You know, but In joint practices You have an agreement The film's not gonna go out You know, you're not
3:39bringing guys to the ground You know, the quarterback can get live reps Against a different defense So It just It's a
3:47lot more controlled environment To get the guys That are actually gonna be playing games On Sundays In the regular season To
3:54get them reps against another opponent That's not your team Whereas like The preseason games I mean, mostly You know, you'll You'll
4:02get some guys in there For a couple reps here and there That are starters And then You know, the It's really
4:09guys that are gonna be Your practice squad players Or maybe special teams players That are on the bubble That they They
4:16get them Or guys that are gonna get released That are gonna get majority of those Majority of those reps So Having
4:24joint practices I think Is Is something that's really Really valuable for teams And And able to To get a look against
4:31Different defenses All right So let's get into our first topic And it's training camp holdouts Or hold-ins here And Jacoby Brissett
4:39For example The Cardinals are about to start Training camp We don't know exactly What kind of participation He's going to have
4:46But Jacoby Brissett Is supposed to be their starting quarterback He wants a new contract How does something like that Affect the
4:53team And as a coach You know How would it affect you If your starting quarterback Were not participating In training camp
5:01I mean It's huge I mean You're talking about You know The guy that you're You know That you want to lead
5:08you In the season Going forward And he's not there Getting the reps And And it's a brand new staff So they're
5:16putting in a new offense So he doesn't have the reps You know Calling the plays In the huddle Now Jacoby's a
5:23veteran And I think he'll be fine But as far as like Dealing with the The other players They got the young
5:31rookie Running back You know Anytime You know Your starting quarterback Isn't there I mean Any starter isn't there But especially The
5:38quarterback The guy that's leading The offense You know That's a That's a big loss So it's just the same Type of
5:45answer If it's a wide receiver Or running back That's holding out Yeah Of course it is Now it's It's just Very
5:53much Exemplified When it's When it's the quarterback position Got it Scott When we see guys Hold out Like last year Terry
6:00McLaurin Or hold in Whatever you want to call it These days But Terry McLaurin Jonathan Taylor Josh Jacobs You know Some
6:08guys in recent history They get off to slow starts Or they struggle with injuries Do you see a correlation As a
6:15coach To those things Just because I know that I know that's I know that's happened I think that I think it
6:22makes sense Naturally Right Like it's just It's a natural conclusion To make I haven't like Done a deep dive Into that
6:30I know the examples That you just That you just stated But no There is something to You know Those guys are
6:37working Like I know Terry Personally Like we I worked with him You know For three years In Washington There's no one
6:45That's going to work harder Or be more prepared But it's different Like You know Running routes On your own Compared to
6:52You know Going out there You know With You know Running Football practice You know Getting yourself In true football shape And
6:59being ready To play the game And that's why Like these sports Science departments In the NFL Like they do Such a
7:07great job Of you know Structuring practice So guys are Having a workload And they track Everything with the Catapult as far
7:14As your GPS So They do a good job Of ramping the Players up And like not Doing too much Too early
7:22And then You know What happens With a guy Like Terry Like by the time He comes into camp They're going to
7:29Have an individualized Program for him To make sure He's not doing Too much too early Like last year But what happens
7:36Is you know He wants to be Out there With the starting Offense And now all of a sudden Maybe he does
7:44A little bit too much And I don't know If that happened I'm just using An example For that So yeah It's
7:51not only The mental side Of it And getting your Players ready To play But Just the Physical part Of conditioning Yourself
7:59for a season I remember We work with Logan Ryan And he said There's a huge Difference between Being in shape And
8:06being in Football shape When a 300 Pound guy Is leaning on you Or falling on you You know Comparedly to You
8:13know Just running around And you know Trying to get yourself You know Lose a few pounds Yeah absolutely So Holdouts are
8:21one thing Off-field distractions Are another And there's two players That I think Fantasy managers Are worried about And Rasheed Rice Josh
8:28Jacobs They've had some Off-field issues I'm not going to Ask you about Those things But when a player Comes to camp
8:36With whatever issue It might be Does that affect The team Does that affect The coaches Like what's The impact of that
8:43You know I think it's a Case-by-case Difference I think But I do Think like These guys are Professionals Players and coaches
8:50And they understand Like once they're Back in the building You know If the team's Allowing them To be there Then we
8:58all Got a job To do And they're Going to be Ready to work And move forward I think guys Can move
9:05past That pretty quickly But you know There is some Organizational things That you've got To deal with And then you're Talking
9:13about Possible suspension So then like How much of Reps do you guys Do you want to Give these guys Are they
9:20going to Be out early In games You know Those types Of things I think I've Been around Some similar Situations To
9:27where guys Have been off The field For disciplinary Issues I mean like I can go back To 2013 You know A
9:35failed drug test And you know He was in Training camp The whole time And then he Had to go away From
9:42the team For two weeks He was actually Allowed to be Amazing Came back And you know Guys Pretty much Embraced him
9:50And he Was ready to go I think it Matters on the Individual As long As long as Those guys Are showing
9:57up Every day And doing the Work Then the team's Going to rally Behind them And it'll be Fine When you as
10:04A coach See that You know However you See it You know ESPN CBS You know Comes across Your phone Somehow You
10:12know Internally How pissed Do you get Just like Why Why would you Do that Yeah I mean You do You feel
10:19I mean You know You feel bad For everybody Involved Obviously I'm not saying I feel bad For someone That you know
10:27Commits a crime Or does something Bad but like Just to put yourself In that situation When you have So much going
10:34For you It really is It's sad More than anything Obviously You feel bad For the victims Of those situations If there
10:41is One of those But yeah I mean This is like We're getting To the end Of it Because training Camp is
10:49about To start But this Is kind of One of those Scary times For the coach Where the You know The players
10:56Or guys Are kind of Off on their Own Doing their Own thing And you know You could They could Potentially get
11:04Into Get into some Trouble and have Some issues Like that But yeah It's always Disappointing Is the Biggest thing I would
11:11Say There's two Photos that Have been Sort of Making the Rounds A little Bit With wide Receivers Looking pretty Thick Bulking
11:19up In terms of Marvin Harrison And Travis Hunter We talk about This a lot When we see Running backs Add weight
11:26And you Tend to see A little bit Negative Responses From their Production During those Seasons From that Particular Position But as
11:33A coach When you Talk about A player's You know Body changing Fitness All those Things and The things That they Do
11:41to Improve Themselves Does it Worry you At all When you See a Player That has Maybe A certain Frame And they
11:48Add muscle To it Or You hear Trying to Get bigger From a Receiver standpoint To be More physical Running backs Adding
11:56weight Stuff like That How do You approach From a Coaching Standpoint Just when You see Things like That Yeah So You
12:03know We always Had individual Plans for Each player So we Would Have like This is Your goal Weight You know We've
12:10had Some guys In the past Who say Hey You can Pull a Put a Little Muscle On From the Receiver Position
12:18The number One Most important Thing is Separation Like Guys Getting Open Consistently So Whenever Guys Add weight You know That tends
12:25To Getting More Open Especially Like In Marvin Harrison's Case Guy There Was A Little Bit Of A Bigger Receiver To Begin
12:33With You know There's Other Guys Like Xavier Worthy Or Something You're Like Okay Yeah You need To Gain Weight You know
12:40You're You're A little Bit Of A That's Not Something That Excites Me About Them Moving Forward Why Might A Coach Ask
12:47A Receiver To Put On Weight You know A lot Of Times It's Not Necessarily Putting On Weight And I Don't Know
12:55Like I Can't Speak Specifically A lot Of Times It's Just Like You Want To Change Your Body Like If You're A
13:02You Know If A Receiver Is 13% Body Fat Like Hey Let's Try To Get You Down To Nine You Know What
13:10I Mean And The Scale Might Read The Same But The Body Fat Percentage Just To To Shed Some Of That Extra
13:17You Be The Biggest The Biggest Thing I Don't Know If I I've Never Personally Had A Receiver Gain Weight Because I
13:24Wanted To Help Block In The Run Game But Maybe There's Some Teams That Might Want I Want To Do That You
13:32Contested You Know Like And I Think Also Like You Don't Have To Be Big And Strong Like Devontae Smith In Philly
13:39Is Unbelievable Contested Catches And He's The Littlest Receiver In The League Or One Of Them You Know So I Don't Know
13:47If That Has Much To Do With That I Think It's More That So They Can't Get Smothered At The At The
13:54That's Not Was 27 Years Old When He Finally Broke Out It Was His Fourth Year Marvin Harrison In 1999 Had 1,663
14:01Yards But Hasn't Quite Happened Yet For For Marvin Harrison Jr.
14:05And You know I Thought When They Drafted Marvin Harrison Jr.
14:09That He Would Be The Number One Target On The Team Hasn't Quite Happened That Way Any Thoughts On Why It's Unfolded
14:16The Way It Has No I Mean No I Think Sometimes Like You know And This Is Really Hard For People To
14:24Admit Both In The Media And And The Scouting Department Like Sometimes Like Maybe Your Evaluation Was Just Wrong Like He He's
14:31A Good Player Like I'm Not Saying He's Not A Good Player Like But What Was He Drafted Fourth Yeah So Like
14:38Maybe He Wasn't Supposed To Be The Fourth Pick In The Draft Which Is Okay You Know I Mean Like There's Nothing
14:46Necessarily Wrong With Here And Go To A Team Like Arizona That Hasn't Had A Lot Of Success And You're Expected To
14:53Come In And Be The Savior And That's A lot Of Pressure For A Young Player And And Then If You Combine
15:01That With Maybe He Isn't That That Type Of Player It Can Steamroll And Get Kind Of Worse Than What He Don't
15:08Know If It's Going To Be You Know What Maybe People Thought It Was Going To Be When He Was Drafted Do
15:15You Have Any You Know I Don't Know The Was A Head Coach For Three Different Franchises And You Know There's An
15:23Expectation And You Know People Kind Of View You A Little Bit Differently Because For A Guy That's 21 Years Old You
15:30Know It's Trying To Make A Name For Himself In The League Like There's A Little Bit Of There's A Little Bit
15:38Of Added Pressure To Something That's Already Hard Enough As We Have Some Email Questions From Our Audience We Asked You For
15:45Those You Gave Us Those I Want To Make Sure To Those We're Going To Be Back After This Break On Fantasy
15:52Football Today With More From Scott Turner Scott gave Us Great Nuggets On A lot Of Players Last Time I Hope We
16:00Didn't Talk About This Guy You Just Mentioned Devante Smith Being So Good At Contested Catches We're So Optimistic And Hopeful For
16:07Devante Smith This Year With AJ Brown Now On The Patriots Is He Going To Live Up He Was The 10th Pick
16:15In The Draft Do you Think This Is The Year He's Been Really Good But He's Just Been Held Back By Kind Of Dealing With A.J.
16:23Brown Is Awesome Is This The Year He Finally Breaks Out You See A Big Season Coming For Devante Smith I Do
16:31I Think They're Going To Feed Them A Lot Of Targets Obviously With AJ Brown Being Out Being Gone That's Part Of
16:38It It's Going To Be Again Jalen Hurts Is Someone That's Used To Playing Shotgun Likes Playing Shotgun And The Wide Zone
16:46The Naked Whether It's The Green Bay System It'll Be Interesting To See Sean Mannion Has Got His How They Decide To
16:53Structure The Targets But I Would Think In The Passing Game That Devante Smith Is Going To Be Their Number One Guy
17:00With Have An Explosion Of Product Productivity Awesome All Right A Couple Other Things I Want To Ask You Before We Get
17:08To The Emails Here Let's Talk About The Vikings And Ian Rappaport He Kind Of Surprised Me He Said That This Quarterback
17:15Competition Could Go Through The Preseason For The Vikings With Kyler Murray And McCarthy And I Think We All Kind Of In
17:23The Fantasy Community We Just Expect Kyler Murray To Win The Job How Do You Think Kyler Murray If He Does Win
17:30The Job Fits Into Kevin O'Connell System Does He Stay In The Pocket More How Much Does He Run And I'll Ask
17:37You About Mobile Quarterbacks With Wide Receivers You Just Coach Justin Fields You Were On The Staff There For Fields The Fit
17:45Of Kyler Murray In Minnesota If He Does Win The Job What Do You Think About That First off I Think He'll
17:52Be Their Quarterback I Think You Know You Got To Say Certain Things Publicly You Know Obviously JJ Going Into His Third
18:00Year Being A First Round Pick I Don't Think They Just Hand The Job To Somebody Else But They Brought Kyler Murray
18:07In They Were Under Center More With Kevin O'Connell How Much Is He Going To Adjust To Adjust To Fit Into What
18:15They Do With The Weapons They Have On Offense I Think He'll Be Productive Kyler Is Always Been What He Brings With
18:22The Legs He's Going To Feed The Ball To Justin Jefferson I Mean You Know That And Then Being Able To Extend
18:29And Make Plays I Think A lot Is To Be Try Yeah I Think You Know Those Are Tough You Know There's
18:37A Tough It's No There's No Easy Way To Handle That I Think You Got To Be Honest With Them Be Like
18:44You Know We We Brought A Man Because We Expect The Quarterback Position To Have To Play Better And You Know We
18:52You Need To Raise Your Game Now What You What We Quarterback Controversy Are Saying We're Going To Have A Battle Going
18:59Through Training Camp Is So You're Delaying This Conversation Also Too You Know What Mean Because You're Going To Which Is But
19:06Sometimes It's To The Detriment Of The Team Right Because You're Giving J.J.
19:11You Many Practices Leading Up To The First Game Of The Season And Every Single One Of Those Reps Is Valuable And
19:18To Have A Quarterback competition You're Basically Taking Reps Away From Whoever Wins The Job Someone Is Going To Get Slighted You
19:26Know What I Straight Up With Them About You Know That Players Respect That More Than You Know Kind Of Putting It
19:33Off And Then Because The Truth Always Comes Out You Know Yeah For Sure I Know My Guy That I Was A
19:40But When You Got A Guy Like Jeremiah Love That Is Going To Catch The Ball A Lot And That Is Where
19:48In 2019 When We Had Christian McCaffrey In Carolina And He Had That You Know The Record Breaking Season Where He Had
19:55A Thousand yards Rushing A thousand Very Productive And In A Tough Division It's Going To Be A Tough Year For Them
20:03More Than Likely Their Whole Schedule Is Impossible It's Yeah I Mean Just Six Year Games Every Year Seahawks 49ers And Rams
20:10So Just Start Off There And Right Now Just Off Top Of My Head Some Other Names Maybe As We Get Closer
20:17To The Season We'll Do This Again I Might Have Some Better Insight For You I Still Like I Like The Doubling
20:25Down On Lemon And Love Yeah And Honestly We Who's A CBS Sports Content Editor And He Says When Projecting A Running
20:32Back's Statistic Success No Matter How Talented He Is How Much Stock Are You Putting Into The Strength Of His Offensive Line
20:40How Much Should Fans Emphasize The Offensive Line A Ton I Mean Those Things Go Hand In Hand I Mean You You
20:47You Know The Perfect Example Is Gentty At The Raiders Last Year Who Really He Was He He Was Contacted The Earliest
20:54Of Any Running Back I Saw Those Stats As They Couldn't Get Him Started He Had Some Success But There Really Wasn't
21:02Much He Can Do So I Think You Gotta Factor In The Line A Lot Of Times It Can Be Even More
21:09So Where Like Back You Really Like The Line Those Guys Are Going To Produce Some Yards Maybe More Than You Would
21:17Think Sometimes You Might Even Want To Factor The Line In Questions Of To Slash To Can Have A Talent Like Like
21:24A Devon H And Who Clearly Can Be much as he possibly can.
21:28But knowing that, obviously, the other side of the ball is just game planning to take him out.
21:34Yeah. I mean, you know, especially with the quarterback situation and I like Malik Willis.
21:39I think he's a good player. This isn't, again, about him, but like when especially early in the season, like when teams
21:47are going to play them, they're going to say we are not going to let these guys run the football.
21:54You know what I mean? Now they're going to have an ability to do a little more in the run game because
22:01of, you know, Malik Willis' ability to run and what he can bring in the run game.
22:07But like it's going to be an uphill battle.
22:10You know, they're going to make Malik win, beat him with his arm.
22:14You know, that's what teams are going to do.
22:17So, you know, they're going to take HN out of the games.
22:21Now, the other thing with HN, he can catch the ball.
22:25So he's going to be productive in other ways.
22:28He's not just a one trick pony. But I think like early in the year, especially until they show or I mean,
22:35if they show that they can beat people throwing the football, it's going to be hard for them to consistently run the ball.
22:43And then we get into the factor two where I was talking about, whereas like if they get behind, you know, that's
22:50going to be hard to feed the ball to HN as well.
22:55So I think that that's a very tricky situation because you look at, you know, you look at the type of player
23:02he is and how productive he's been. But again, it's a tough situation to be in.
23:07As a play call, just another one in regards to this.
23:11We had this conversation yesterday. Malik Willis, his target percentage throwing two running backs lowest in the NFL the last two years.
23:18Yep. As Adam brought up, the two running backs that he's played with mostly, correct me if I'm wrong, I got him,
23:26Derek Henry and Josh Jacobs, not Devon HN. So when you look at that as a coach and you see, okay, this is what our personnel is.
23:35Now he's going to a situation where the personnel is much different.
23:39Where again, Devon HN, what he does as a pass catcher.
23:43Do those things sort of dictate how you work with Malik and play calls from Malik in terms of, okay, I know
23:50what his history is, but now we have this different style and how much do you sort of, you know, implement with him?
23:58You have to use that as opposed to maybe using your legs to escape or just not relying on that position in your passing repertoire.
24:06Yeah, no, for sure. I think now, did you say it's the lowest percentage of passes to running backs?
24:13Was that the stat that you said? Yeah. And conversely, two of the highest in that two year span.
24:19Two. Yeah, of course. Yeah, no, absolutely. And I think, and it's a different offense in Miami than, than what Tua played
24:26in, you know, with, with Bobby Slowick and, and like you said, like the, and a lot of it, like scheme wise
24:34and green Bay, they don't, they don't, I don't think, I mean, Jordan, does Jordan love, I don't think he throws the ball to backs very often either.
24:43Right. Like, right. He doesn't throw that much. I think.
24:47What? He doesn't throw that much to begin with, but yeah.
24:50Yeah. Right. But no, I think, I think that's part of it.
24:54I think that's part of it. I think you got to play the strength of your personnel.
25:00And I, I, I would be surprised if they're not throwing the ball to, to a chance, you know what I mean?
25:07Just based off of the other guys that they, that they have out there.
25:12I think that you just got to make, you know, green Bay, you know you know, they were going to throw the
25:20ball tight end or, or the receivers, the play action pass where you're, you know, the back is really only getting the ball in the check downs.
25:29And then they didn't have those backs that are the third down option type option route type runners, which not so they're not, you know, you're not featured.
25:38And then they're not featured in those guys in that part of the passing game as well.
25:44So I think that had something to do with it.
25:47I'm sure that's something that they've worked on through OTAs and in his training camp is, you know, throwing them all the backs.
25:55And I don't think he's going to go from last to first, but I'd be surprised if they're not targeting HN.
26:02Okay. Just for some context, Malik Willis had an 8.6% running back target rate, which is unbelievably low.
26:08So Matthew Stafford had the lowest in the NFL among qualified passers at 10.7%.
26:13And Malik Willis was even lower than that. Jordan Love was about league average, about 16.6%.
26:18And Tua was third, 25.3% behind two 49ers quarterbacks, Mac Jones and Brock Purdy.
26:23Yeah. Which makes sense. Because they're throwing them all the McCaffrey.
26:27Right. Exactly. So. Yeah. Okay. Well, here's another email.
26:30So one thing we love in fantasy, in PPR leagues where you get a point per catch, we love screen passes or design plays for easy catches.
26:39I mean, if a guy catches a screen pass and goes six yards, that's 1.6 fantasy points.
26:44It's just easy money. So the question from Max is, primarily for wide receivers, but maybe tight ends too, regarding easy button targets or design targets.
26:53And he gives the chargers as an example. Do teams gravitate towards giving the easier targets to the guy less capable of separating on their own?
27:02And he thinks that in this case would be Quentin Johnston.
27:06Or do they lean the other way and give it to more talented wide receivers?
27:11In this case, Ladd McConkie. And that's who they ultimately want to funnel the ball to.
27:16So what do you think any type of wide receiver is more likely to get those layup targets?
27:22Yeah. To me, the players that you want to get those targets to are the guys that are going to create.
27:29So like the yak guys are going to get you yards after catch.
27:34Like, all right. Hey, we're, you know, whether it's your things are going good or bad, but like, let's get the ball
27:41in, you know, you know, whatever, uh, like in, in Washington, like we would say, Hey, let's get the ball in Terry's hands.
27:49He's going to get catching, get vertical. Um, he's going to be tough to tackle.
27:54Let's get some yards and get, and get him going.
27:57Um, so that, that's where those go. Like it would, the screens it's whenever we would game plan screens or, um, those,
28:05you know, perimeter plays, it would always be, you know, we wanted to get the ball to someone that we felt like
28:12was going to make, was going to not let the first guy tackle him.
28:17Like DJ Moore and Carolina, we were in Carolina.
28:20We'd always get those to him. Um, cause he's great in space, you know, and that, that's where, that's who those targets,
28:27uh, go to, or, or should go to, you know, uh, you talk about like tight ends, like Tyler craft in green
28:34Bay, he's come off the injury, but like, he's amazing yards after catch.
28:39So like, they just wanted to get him the ball on, you know, flat routes or, um, and see, you know, again,
28:46have them have, um, him make somebody tackle him, you know, and, and that, that's where those targets go.
28:53Very, I I've never been around where like, um, you felt like you needed to like give a guy a charity target.
29:00Like, Hey, we got to get this guy going.
29:03Cause he's not feeling cause he's pouty. Um, you know, we don't, we haven't really dealt, dealt with that to me.
29:10It's just, you know, get, uh, get the ball in the hand and get the ball in the hands of the guys
29:18that are going to be able to go, uh, gain yards.
29:21Anthony Lynn once told me that he views those types of throws as extended runs.
29:26Yeah. And he especially loved to lean on them when he felt like his run game couldn't get going.
29:33Is that kind of a general thought across the league?
29:36Uh, I, I don't know if it's necessary. The run game couldn't get going.
29:41Like, I think that there's something to do that.
29:44I always thought of it as the same way.
29:47Like I thought of like the receiver screens is perimeter run game.
29:51Um, and I'd be like, you know, God, we throw them and we get a five yard gain and guys would be like disappointed.
29:59I'm like, guys, it's a, if we ran inside zone and gained five yards, like the line coaches would be chest bumping each other.
30:07Like it's, you know, it's a, it's five yards is, is five yards in it.
30:12And it makes the, uh, it makes the defense cover the whole field.
30:16Like make those, you know, if you ever go to a football practice, the first drill that defenses do is called pursuit
30:24drill, where they throw the ball a sideline and everyone runs to the football and then runs back.
30:30We'll like make that 320 pound nose guard run from the middle of the field all the way out, outside the numbers and then get lined up.
30:39So like, and they do have a threat of big plays.
30:43Like if you get them on it, if you catch them against the pressure, um, you know, you can get it, you
30:50can get a big play, but yeah, I think of it the same way as extended perimeter runs.
30:56Um, and again, again, just trying to get the ball in the hands of guys that are, that are going to be
31:04able to do something on, on their own instead of, you know, you got to block two guys out there instead of
31:11inside the box where you got to block seven, you know, I'm showing you here, by the way, the leaders in screen catches, screen pass catches last year.
31:20Uh, a lot of, uh, it's kind of a mix actually Debo Samuel.
31:25Number one, the fact that Rasheed rice is number two is amazing.
31:29Cause he played basically half a season and he had 25 catches on screens.
31:34Where's the Trey McBride. That's, that's pretty, that's pretty crazy.
31:37So that's just a screen is just, that's just qualified any catch behind the line of scrimmage.
31:43I'm assuming, uh, or basically at the line of scrimmage.
31:46Yeah. At or behind. Yeah. I think so. That's how this works.
31:50So it's Debo, Rasheed rice, Trey McBride, Khalil Shakir, Wandale Robinson, Malik Washington.
31:54Really? Um, shimmery DK, Justin Jefferson. I didn't know Malik Washington at 21.
31:59That's all last year. It might be a huge chunk of what he does this year too, based on what I saw at minicamp.
32:07But it is something I love about Justin, like Justin Jefferson and Jamar Chase being up here.
32:13You may not think about that, but those guys consistently get a lot of screen pass targets and it's, it, it helps.
32:20Absolutely. I mean, but both of those guys, again, I mean, as good as they are getting down the field, everything like
32:27that, they're just as good with the ball in their hands.
32:31So that's, that's, that makes sense. And Luther Burden, I mean, he, he didn't have that many targets and he had 17
32:38screen passes and he can do a lot with the ball in his hands.
32:43I love that. Yeah. No, he, he's a, he's definitely a guy that's going to be exciting to watch, uh, this, this season coming up.
32:52All right, let's take a quick break and get to the rest of our email questions here, including, um, including one about
32:59coaching trees and some coach speak, uh, a Romeo Dobbs question, a DJ more question.
33:04We'll be right back on fantasy football today. So last time you came on, you talked about DJ more and we thought it was really insightful stuff.
33:13You coached him. I remember, I'll never forget you saying he's running faster than it looks.
33:19He's going faster than it looks like he's going, um, cause he's such a smooth rusher, a runner.
33:25But Andy's question is, do you think DJ more is done or did the bears just not utilize him properly?
33:31No, I, I don't think he's done. Uh, and I don't, and I, so I don't think he's done.
33:38I think he'll, he'll be great in Buffalo. Um, I know he's getting older.
33:42I think he's 29 years old. Um, but I think he fits well with Josh Allen.
33:48Um, as far as guy that's going to, again, he's, he's going to all, he never lets the first guy tackle him.
33:55He's going to get some run yards after catch.
33:58Um, he's a smooth route runner. Um, you know, he's been productive.
34:02I know last year, you know, he didn't get the targets, um, that he had in the past.
34:08And I think it was just time for both guys for them to move on.
34:13I think, um, you know, like, like we said, I think the bears feel good about Luther burden.
34:19Um, so, you know, DJ is an older player.
34:22They were making a decent amount of money and, um, they were able to get, you know, get him to Buffalo.
34:30And I think it's something that's probably going to be, you know, good for, um, good for both parties, but I'm excited, um, about DJ, uh, this season.
34:39Um, and what he's going to do, um, in that offense with, uh, with, with Josh.
34:44Um, and you know, I, I don't know, maybe he wasn't the best fit with Ben and that, and that offense.
34:51Um, but I think he'll be, he'll be great in Buffalo.
34:55Scott, last time you were on with us, you, you mentioned something just about, uh, a call from above in regards to a certain, you know, personnel situation.
35:05When you have a move like this that happens where there's draft pick compensation, there's, there's contracts given that there's players brought in.
35:12And with obviously a certain expectation as a play caller, do you feel obligated or do you sometimes get a mantra from above?
35:20Like we have to feature this guy. Like I brought this up several times, like feels like the Jaguars are going to
35:27have to justify Travis Hunter's draft pick and trying to get him on the field offensively, because I think if he was
35:35just a defensive back, they're probably not taking him second overall.
35:39They took him because he's a unicorn. So it feels like we're going to see a lot of Travis Hunter forced into
35:46certain situations that he's probably not better than the three other receivers they have on that roster.
35:52DJ Moore goes to Buffalo draft pick compensation, et cetera.
35:55AJ Brown, those types of things. Um, do you sometimes as a play caller feel obligated to have to feature this guy?
36:02Knowing he's a good player, clearly, but sometimes like, okay, the GM may have said something.
36:08Personnel may have said something. Somebody may have, you know, put a bug in your, like, we got to get this guy,
36:15the ball as much as possible because we did this.
36:19Um, yeah, I, so there always is that kind of like elephant in the room, I guess.
36:24It's not like those things are never like said, or at least I've never been in that situation where someone's like, we have to throw him the ball.
36:34Like, like when we went, like, and I mean, you know, my going into my last year in Washington, like we signed
36:41Terry to a new contract, McLaurin and like, but like, I always want to throw Terry the ball anyways.
36:48Like he was our best player. And like, I think that's the same situation like in, in Buffalo where, um, you know,
36:55they're going to want to get, they're going to want to get DJ the ball, AJ Brown, same situation in new England.
37:02Now the Travis Hunter one is interesting. Now I hope they're not doing that just because I think that that like every,
37:10every, that creates a negative effect for your offense, but also throughout the whole building, you know what I mean?
37:16Cause it creates like a certain level of resentment, um, from other players, even if they don't say it, you know what I mean?
37:25Like it's just human nature. Like, um, you know, the track, that Travis Hunter thing.
37:30And then we could have a whole conversation about this because, um, like they, uh, if they didn't have the success they
37:37did last year, I think people would make be making a much bigger deal of, of that.
37:43You know what I mean? As far as like what they traded away for him.
37:48And then obviously he got hurt and, and, and, and people get hurt and everything like that, but you know, they were having a successful year.
37:57They were obviously got a good year, got to the place, everything like that.
38:01Um, so that kind of people talk about it, but it's not, you know, it's not talked about like it would be
38:09if they were, you know, six and 11. Right.
38:12You know, so I think that going forward, that's going to be something to follow.
38:17So, um, you know, I don't know what they're going to do like with him as far as, is he going to
38:24be playing on defense and then how much on offense?
38:27Um, you know, the human body can only take so much.
38:31So it'll be, that'll be another thing. It'd be interesting to see what the plan is.
38:37Like if they only play a limited amount on offense, then yeah, you can get them a target here and there.
38:44And, um, it's not as big of a deal, um, as far as like taking away from the offense.
38:50But the other thing is too, like, you also don't want him in a situation where every time he goes on the
38:57field, they, everyone knows that that's where the ball, that's where the ball is going.
39:02Right. You know? So, um, but yeah, there is something to that.
39:07Um, I know it kind of went round around there.
39:10There's something to, you know, knowing that like, you know, we got to get this guy's ball, um, because, you know, we
39:17gave up X for him or we paid him this much money.
39:21Uh, and that's where, you know, Josh McDaniel said this to me, um, a while ago and, and it's so important.
39:28It's one of the most important things in the NFL is you want to pay the right players.
39:34Like you want to make sure you're paying the right players on your roster.
39:39Um, and that way, you know, if you're paying someone that doesn't deserve a ton of money and they're not matching the
39:47production, um, then it creates these issues that, that we're talking about.
39:51You know what I mean? And that, that again, like I said, like it's hard enough already.
39:56So you, you want to stay away from, uh, creating more problems for yourself.
40:01Uh, email from Jay. He says, I often hear that a coach came from another coach's tree.
40:07Does that actually mean much? Do coaches have to kneel before a head coach before they leave to swear allegiance, to continue
40:14the philosophy that they were taught or is too much given to that theory?
40:19Besides your dad, do you feel that you are a branch of anyone's tree?
40:24So, um, so no, they obviously you don't have to pledge allegiance, but it's just, but it's, but it's, it's like, it's what they know.
40:32No, like it's like, for like, for example, like David Blau, um, in, in Washington, like let's use him for an example.
40:39Like he was with, uh, he was with cliff, but before that, you know, he played, he was with Ben Johnson.
40:46Like they're going to be running that system. Like that system has been successful, but also like, that's just what, that's what he knows.
40:55Like, so he, it's not like he's going to like get a job.
40:59He, you know, you got the job because you were part of this system and this, the team that hired you wants to run this system.
41:08It's not like you're going to like all of a sudden come in and research something else and be totally different, you know?
41:15So that, you know, that those, that's the offense that they know now, as you get going, you're going to have your own twist on it.
41:24You're going to have your own, you know, different, different plays or, you know, try this out of a different formation.
41:31Let's add this motion to it. But as far as like the, the Genesis of, you know, the offense and the verbiage,
41:39yeah, it's, it's got to come from somewhere and they're going to use the offenses that they've, they've been around.
41:45And that's where the, the coaching tree part of it comes from.
41:49Um, obviously, you know, you talked about my dad.
41:52I spent time with Rob Chesinski, um, either both before I worked with my dad and then, and then, um, when I
42:00was, um, you know, together, we worked with him in, in Cleveland.
42:04I learned a lot from him. Um, that was my first job in the NFL is the Carolina.
42:10And then, and then, you know, I've been fortunate to spend, um, this last few years in, in a bunch of different
42:17offenses and learn, you know, I, I was like, I talked about Josh McDaniels being around him, um, really valuable time that,
42:25the, the, it wasn't even a full year, but the whole off season, then half a season, um, you know, spent some
42:32time with Luke Getzey and learning that, which is basically the, uh, the Matt LaFleur, the Patriots, I'm sorry, the Packers system, um, being around that.
42:41And then, uh, with Tanner Inkstrand, um, you know, with the Ben Johnson lion system this past year.
42:47So I wouldn't say I'm a part of any other tree, but I've been exposed to almost every offensive system that's in the NFL.
42:55And, um, there's a lot of, a lot of cool stuff out there and there's a lot of different ways, uh, to, to do the same things.
43:04And, um, I've been fortunate to be exposed to those things.
43:08There are 14 new defensive coordinators in the NFL this year.
43:12There's 18 new offensive play callers in the NFL this year, but just for the defensive corners, when you go up against
43:19a new defensive coordinator, do you look back on who they were with and who their biggest influences are to help build a game plan?
43:27Yeah, absolutely. Like you, you have to like, um, so, um, again, I keep using why.
43:33So, uh, I think it's better if you use like specific examples, but, uh, is it Dante Jones?
43:39The who's the defense coordinator in Washington that just came from Minnesota.
43:43Uh, but anyways, we know, I'll get to the name.
43:46So he, so you're, so you're, you're coming and you're playing, let's say you're playing Washington week one.
43:52All right. So you're going to go back and look at Minnesota and this is a, this is a hard one because
44:00so like base base downs, you're going to see, okay, what's their front structures that they use?
44:05These are different coverage structures they use. And then you're going to break down every single pressure over the whole season.
44:12And then like in different periods in training camp, you're going to like show those pressures and make sure you're good on it.
44:20And then, you know, it's always, it's the worst, like first game, brand new coordinator.
44:25Cause you're like pulling up, you're turning over rocks of like, cause the last thing you want is like your first third
44:33and eight, a guy to just come totally free and just trick and tattoo your quarterback and the back.
44:39Cause you weren't prepared. Cause they, they ran a pressure that, that you didn't, you didn't show the, your, your offense, you know?
44:47So, and again, you have the most time, right.
44:50Leading up to week one. So yeah, you're going to look at where, okay, where are they, where were they an assistant
44:57and just look at, okay, what's the structure of that defense?
45:01Um, and then again, you got to practice the blitzes.
45:04Like you got to rep those, um, cause they're complicated.
45:08And, um, and then, you know, the other thing is you gotta be a little, a little bit more simple, maybe going into that game.
45:16And, you know, the, you know, the, the kind of the, there's going to be jitters week one guys are excited to start the season.
45:24Um, you're going against a, uh, you know, unscouted looks.
45:28So try to be basic kind of in, in, in your approach.
45:32But yeah, as far as the research you're doing, you're just looking at where they've been guys, they've been around, um, and
45:39just, and, and try to do that. And, and, and just know, like tell your guys expect the unexpected, like this guy's
45:47first time ever having a chance to call defense NFL.
45:50Like you're going to get some crazy blitz on at some point, you know what I mean?
45:56That he's been like cooking up for like, Oh, when I'm a defense coordinator, I'm calling this, you know what I mean?
46:03Just, you know, guys want to do stuff like that.
46:07So you gotta, you know, you gotta be ready for that.
46:10And players have to trust their rules. I had to look it up.
46:15It was, it was Durante Jones. Durante Jones. I'm sorry.
46:18Yeah. Right. Yeah. Hey, you, you knew better than I did.
46:22Um, does it work the same way for defensive coordinators going up against first time OCs?
46:27Yeah. I think it's the same thing. I think, uh, I think they'll look at, you know, again, if you're, um, you
46:34know, Sean Manning, we talked about him in Philly.
46:38So whoever they play week one, I can't remember like that defensive coordinator.
46:42Okay. So there you go. So he's, that'll be fun for both of them.
46:47A lot of research. Um, they're both just like pulling, pulling, uh, you know, pulling cards out of a hat there.
46:54I have no idea what they're going to say.
46:57So, um, but yeah, they're going to look at green Bay.
47:00They're going to expect, you know, again, the Eagles hired Sean Mannion because they wanted to run that system.
47:07So that's what, you know, that they're going to get that.
47:11And then, you know, the preseason, again, people aren't showing what they're going to run in preseason, but they're going to at least run their base stuff.
47:20So you can get a, you know, you're going to see some of that.
47:24Um, so you're going to look at the preseason games, especially for as an offensive coach looking at defense, as far as just the front structures.
47:33Um, cause those are, that's what you're going to see.
47:36They're not going to just run a totally different front.
47:40Um, you, you can see some variation, but they're going to run what they run.
47:45Is there a defense coordinator you hated facing? Um, yeah, yeah, for sure.
47:49Uh, you know, Dan Quinn, uh, you know, Dan Quinn was tough for me.
47:54Uh, we in Washington and Dallas, we beat him to let my last game there, but we had some tough games, they
48:01had some really good players, but he, I thought he always did a good job and he did a really nice job.
48:09But once he got to Dallas of really adapting what he'd been doing in the past, um, Jim Schwartz, when he was
48:16in Philly, um, you know, was someone that, that I thought that a really, did a really good job, um, and was tough to go against.
48:25Those are the, those are the two guys. Those are two division, um, division matchups, um, that, that I had, um, in
48:32Washington, uh, you know, go in at the Raiders, um, Vance Joseph does a great job again, really good defense, really good
48:40personnel, but does a really good job of, of, of getting his guys in the right place.
48:45Kind of try to keep you off balance. Um, you know, had some, had some good games, um, against him.
48:52So talking more about, you know, people really want to know about coaching tendencies.
48:57We do make somewhat of a big deal about it here on fantasy football today.
49:02Uh, so obviously you, you work with Josh McDaniels.
49:05You've talked about him a couple of times, one of his tendencies.
49:09I don't know if it's on purpose or just worked out this way throughout a long history of play calling a lot
49:16of running back committees, very few, uh, lead backs.
49:19Josh Jacobs though, was an example of a lead back.
49:23Right. Look at the Patriots this year. Do you think there's any chance they don't have a committee for the entire season?
49:30I mean, we know they're going to start that way, but I think people are hoping, uh, fantasy managers are hoping that
49:38Travion Henderson with his talent, uh, emerges and sort of takes over a bigger role, a big role in this backfield.
49:45What do you think the chances of that happening are?
49:48Uh, I would say, um, probably not great. Uh, so I don't want to crush dreams here, but I think as, um,
49:55you know, as a second year, as a second year player, I, it's a second year player.
50:01Uh, I think, you know, he's going to be what they'll call the sub back, um, where, you know, he's going to
50:09play in passing situations and on third down. Uh, and then, you know, he'll get, you know, I'm sure he'll get some carries in there as well.
50:18Um, now again, I, I've been wrong before, so, you know, he, he could grow into that, but I think also too,
50:25is just like, it's a tough position to play in the, the day in, day out, you know, pounding you're going to
50:32get, it takes a special, um, type of player to, to deal with that.
50:37And I don't know if they're going to ask a second year guy, um, to do that, especially when they have some
50:45other backs that they feel good about, you know, um, on the, uh, on the roster and I think, you know, Josh
50:52is the, and we never really had this conversation specifically about just the running back position, but, um, you know, just a different skill set.
51:00Like, you know, that guy that's going to hit it in between, you know, Josh likes 21 personnel, um, where, you know,
51:08the backs fall on a fullback, you know, that's where the LeGarrette Blount came into back in the old, you know, Patriot war days.
51:16And then, you know, the Dion Lewis's and the, um, white and the guys are going to throw the ball too on
51:23the, the passing downs, you know, the, that's a different skill set, you know what I mean?
51:29So that's, I think that's, that's really it. That's it's for no other reason than that.
51:34I mean, that's the simple answer. Love that. I mean, I love the, I don't love that for any of, you know,
51:42the particular players in the backfield, but I, I love the outlook there.
51:46It's very helpful. Um, we had another last, last email or here, uh, last email questions from Shane.
51:52And again, it's about the Patriots. Shane thinks people are sleeping on Romeo Dobbs and he wants to know what kind of
52:00role you think Dobbs could fill in this offense.
52:03We have sort of, you know, uh, forgotten about him, I guess, since the AJ Brown trade, but for a contract, I, I, you never know.
52:11I think it's four years, 68 million. Who knows how much is actually going to get paid to him, but they invested a lot in Romeo Dobbs.
52:20What kind of role do you think he'll have, uh, for the Patriots?
52:25Yeah, I think, uh, I think he, I think he's a really good player.
52:30I've, I've, I've liked watching him play, um, you know, in green Bay and on tape.
52:35Um, and I think, you know, he's going to get some favorable matchups.
52:39Uh, obviously you're playing with a, like a very good young quarterback.
52:43He's only going to keep getting better. Um, you know, AJ Brown, and then you got a coordinator in Josh that knows how to distribute the football.
52:52So, um, I think that, you know, I think this, this, that offense, um, is really going to take a step.
53:00Um, you know, obviously they lost digs, but then you're replacing with the AJ Brown and, and Dobbs.
53:06I think that that's going to really open things up for the, for the rest of the offense, as well as, um, getting the ball in their hands.
53:15So I think that, I think he'll have a, he'll have a big year and I think that there'll be a product, a very productive offense.
53:24He's one of those fascinating guys, Adam, because like you said, the Packers don't throw the ball very much.
53:30So if he does get a somewhat spike in targets, we see what he's capable of doing.
53:36Yes, for sure. Well, um, all right, we have time for a few more questions, Jamie.
53:41I know you had a fun question you wanted to ask Scott.
53:45Yeah. Yeah. So I remember all of my, uh, my few good calls and a lot of my bad calls, you know, in, in fantasy suggestions.
53:54Uh, do you have a play call that stands out to you that, that just everything worked perfectly and then one that
54:01you called and you immediately was like, Oh crap, I should not have said that.
54:07Um, yeah, we, yeah. So we played, uh, in Jacksonville, we played Jacksonville week one in 2022 and we had the ball
54:14and like, uh, we were down by, I think we were down by two and, um, it was in the fourth quarter,
54:21like a minute 30 left and it was third and seven and we were right outside the red zone.
54:28And it was, uh, it's, it's actually funny, um, that you say that cause it was a, Mike Caldwell was first time
54:35defensive coordinator and he'd been with Todd Bowles. Um, so his, his first game ever calling defense.
54:41And when we had played Tampa, um, we had played Tampa in the past two seasons.
54:46And in that situation, Todd Bowles had, uh, had called a, like a zero pressure.
54:51Um, and they just sat on routes and I had been like a max protection and ran a quick out to the
54:59single receiver, um, both times and gotten conversions on it.
55:02So I, I had told the guys, if we get in this situation, I'm going to call a double move.
55:09Um, I'm going to max protection and then call a double move to John.
55:13And it was Johan Thompson. It was his first game.
55:17Um, and, um, the corner that, uh, Tyson Campbell, he'd already had an interception, um, in the game on a, on an out, a quick out.
55:26Um, it was Carson Wentz was a quarterback. So we called it and they went, uh, max pressure and, uh, and he was sitting all over him.
55:35Um, and Carson actually kind of under threw the ball, but Johan made an unbelievable catch for a touchdown and gave us the lead.
55:43And we were able to, um, to win the game.
55:46And, um, that was one of those ones that, yeah, that I called and worked out great.
55:52And then conversely on the bad one, uh, we played Atlanta, um, in, uh, later on that same season.
55:58And it was kind of a four minute situation and we were in 11 personnel and I didn't see that the defense had base defense.
56:07And I called a, uh, toss play where we didn't have enough guys to block in the edge.
56:13And it was late in the game where we, you don't want to call a timeout and we ended up taking, uh, took a loss there.
56:21That was, uh, that was tough. Now we earned it.
56:25We ended up on and then luckily defense stopped and we won the game.
56:30But that was, um, that was one that definitely one of those calls that you'd like to, you'd like to have back.
56:37I remember that Dotson play for sure. Yeah. So I think we were off to the races with him talking about how
56:44much we, we loved him and all, he's going to be awesome for fantasy.
56:49Look at this great first play that he had and first game that he had, you know, he had two touchdowns that he had.
56:57Oh, we know, we know, we remember. Well, he had, and again, he had seven touchdowns.
57:03That's the thing. And who, who did he sign with in the off season?
57:07Does anyone remember? Yeah. He's got a shot. I'm excited for him.
57:11I've always liked him. I mean, when he missed five games, his rookie year with me and he's got, he got seven touchdowns that year.
57:20And, and I don't know what happened. I left after, you know, I was like, go after that season.
57:26So I don't know necessarily what happened. I know it didn't work out in Washington.
57:31And then he goes to Philly where he's, you know, the third or fourth option, fifth option on a team that doesn't throw the ball very much.
57:40So, you know, you know, I think that, uh, I think he's still got a chance.
57:46He's still a young player and, um, I'm looking forward to him going, uh, his career going forward.
57:52John, we got one more for you, Adam lost power.
57:55So he, um, so he had a question in regards to, um, grass versus turf, because we got a lot of conversation
58:02recently with the world cup and you know how the stadiums turned over and use grass and a lot of the players
58:10were saying, Hey, look how great this has been.
58:13Um, your thoughts on grass versus turf in a lot of stadiums now.
58:17Yeah. A hundred. I mean, I think it's a hundred percent grass.
58:21I mean, players like grass. I mean, we have turf fields.
58:25We have an indoor weed. I've everywhere I've been has an indoor facility.
58:29And unless it's like absolutely pouring down rain, like the players all would rather go play outside on the grass.
58:36Cause it's, it's just the, the, the, the, the, really the, their back, the joints, like that turf is just hard on them.
58:44Um, you know, the wear and tear, even if like you're playing a game on turf, like we still practice on grass all week.
58:52Um, so, you know, again, I know that there's different things they got to, they got hoops they got to run through and through.
59:00I know it's more expensive, everything like that, but I think that, um, it's better for the players well-being.
59:06Um, and there's no doubt that the, the grasses, but even for, as a coach, like standing out on the turf and
59:14practice and like your, you know, your low back, it's tight and you'd much rather be out on the, uh, on the grass.
59:22And then last one for you, Scott, what's your favorite football movie?
59:26The program. Wow. Nice. Nice. We have, uh, we have a big debate on our show here.
59:31Uh, is Jerry Maguire a football movie? Yeah, it is.
59:35Yes. Well, thank you for answering that. Adam doesn't believe so.
59:38Right answer. I mean, I understand, I understand like the main theme isn't about football, but like, you know, it's football movie.
59:46Um, oh yeah. The program. That's what first one, Friday night lights.
59:50I mean all those ones, but the program was like when I was a kid and that, that was got the biggest kick out of it.
59:59Yeah. Uh, unbelievable. Uh, one, one of the more underrated sports movies, certainly one of the more underrated football movies.
60:05Never gets that. It's always used to remember the Titans or something along those lines.
60:10No. Remember the Titans, uh, Friday night lights. I mean, obviously all, all really good movies, but yeah, no, no, everyone, everyone kind of forgets about the program.
60:20Yes. Well, thank you for bringing it up. Dave, anything else?
60:23No, no. I think, I think we're ready to let Scott loose and now he's got to deal with that tough weather that he's with Del Mar.
60:33So get to enjoy it. Yeah, man. Nice. We appreciate it.
60:36Make sure you check out the family business podcast that Scott hosts with his sister, Stephanie and his dad, North Turner.
60:43Uh, when's the next episode coming out, Scott? You know, we are going to film one so that we feel there's a
60:51studio in long beach because my dad's down here in Del Mar.
60:55My, my sister's in LA. So we're going to meet, we're going to film one, um, in August.
61:01Uh, and we don't, we haven't, we don't know who the guest is going to be yet, but we'll have one out
61:08in the beginning August and then there'll be one a week.
61:12Um, you know, as we get into the training camp and then the, uh, the regular season.
61:18Fantastic. Listen again, it is the family business podcast.
61:21You find our podcasts are available. Scott, his sister, Stephanie and his dad, Norv Turner.
61:26Scott, we really appreciate you joining us once again here on fantasy football today.
61:30Hopefully we'll catch up with you again soon. And we really enjoy your insights for Adam Azer, Dave Richard, our producer, Sam.
61:38I'm Jamie Eisenberg. Thanks for watching and listening to fantasy football day.
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