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1:31What a play! Can you believe this? I had no idea.
1:34It's time to dominate your fantasy league. Off to the races!
1:37And he stays on his feet! He's just gonna go the distance!
1:41Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath.
1:44Yeah, welcome to the show. It's Thursday, July 23rd, and I'm always in a good mood when this guest is on the show.
1:51It's one of our favorites. It's Joe Pisapia. What's up, Joe?
1:54Hello, my friends. How are you? I've got some more time on my hands recently.
1:59So it was very nice that you all could invite me over to talk some football with you all.
2:04It's good to see you, Adam Azer, and we've been talking quite a bit in the last few weeks.
2:10Same with you, Dave Richard, and of course, Jamie Eisenberg I get to see once a year, which is nice, for like 10 minutes.
2:17He visits his family in New Jersey all the time.
2:20I live 15 minutes from there. You'd think we'd go to lunch just once.
2:25Just once, Jamie. Maybe this is the year. We'll see.
2:28Jamie, when's the last time we went to lunch?
2:30Fair. Whenever I'm in town, that's about it. So today we'll get a couple of sleepers, breakouts, and busts from Joe.
2:37And we always talk, oh, this wide receiver versus this wide receiver.
2:40This running back versus this running back. We're going to do running backs versus wide receivers.
2:45Would you rather have B. John Robinson or Jamar Chase, Saquon Barkley or Drake London, Jeremiah Love or T.
2:51Higgins? And we're also going to talk about a team that I really like.
2:55We're going to talk about a player on the bus list for Joe who plays for the New York Giants.
3:01The New York Giants. It's the Giants of New York.
3:04Is everybody clear? It is not the Ravens. I've been told I'm no longer the coach of the Ravens.
3:10It is the New York Giants. Was his worse?
3:13Was Nagy's worse? Oh, I didn't see Nagy's. I didn't see Mads either.
3:17Was it worse? It's not worse because he's not the head coach.
3:20The head coach has got to be a little better.
3:23You know what? Let's not forget, too. Bill Belichick, not exactly the big rah-rah guy.
3:28Pretty good football coach. You don't have to be great at making speeches to be a good football coach, I think, at the end of the day.
3:36But it doesn't make it less hilarious. Completely non-story, though.
3:39No one's going to care about this soon. But, Joe, we want to tell everybody what you're up to.
3:45You are the host of the Fandom NFL YouTube channel.
3:48You also got the black book that people can get.
3:51So, quick plug, and then we'll get to the show.
3:54Well, first of all, I already see people in the comments plugging stuff for me, which is beautiful.
3:59I love the people. So, yeah, I've gone ahead and perhaps crazily by the encouragement of all of the people out there who said, don't go away.
4:08Don't fade away. We want you to be back during football season.
4:11And the overwhelming, crazy amount of messages and the kindness, which I'm sure Adam Azer has never experienced his entire life.
4:18Like, all of that towards that new endeavor, which is the Fandom NFL channel.
4:22And I'm going to do things a little differently there.
4:25I'm trying to bring something a little different spin on fantasy.
4:28It's not just fantasy football. We're going to talk some wagering stuff, too.
4:32But it's a lot of football talk. And how NFL football and the stories that are going on and everything kind of
4:39also affect you in your fantasy investments. And I think that's very important.
4:43We're going to have beat writers on. We're going to have interviews.
4:46An amazing interview with Tony Farmer from Last Man Standing podcast about the Matt Miller fiasco.
4:51Because I feel like we're in a Twitter football bubble.
4:54And I talked to some of my friends last week at a barbecue who are big football fans.
5:00I'm like, what do you think of that story?
5:02And they're like, what are you talking about? And we're kind of in our own little bubble sometimes.
5:08And we start to, I think, bring some of these really interesting stories out there for the general public.
5:14I think it's really interesting. And that one, especially since all the layers of the fantasy stuff and the dynasty charity leagues
5:20that he was involved in and not paying people out.
5:23It's the craziest story. So it's going to have stuff like that.
5:27But it's going to have a ton of fantasy content, too.
5:30So something that's going to run just all the time for NFL.
5:34And, of course, a black book out there on Amazon, too, with the digital cheat sheets that get updated, too.
5:40That's all available. So if you're looking to support, go subscribe to the new fandom NFL channel.
5:45Check it out. New video dropping today at 11.
5:48Try to do it after I'm here because I don't want to, you know, I don't want to conflict here in the
5:54ratings of this show, which are much, much larger.
5:57Well, someone already said in our chat, maybe we have Adam's replacement now.
6:01No. No, no, no. No. Adam Azer. I didn't hear what Jamie said.
6:05Who could replace you, Adam? I didn't want to know.
6:08Who could do that? All right. Let's get to our news and notes.
6:12Tyreek Hill, a video of him working out. But he said that there's no he has no power in his left leg.
6:19So it doesn't seem like Tyreek Hill is quite ready to make an NFL comeback.
6:23Seattle running backs. I already told you yesterday about Kenny McIntosh.
6:27But Zach Charbonnet is officially on the pup list as well.
6:30And right now the pup list, you can come off the pup list at any time.
6:35Just they're starting training camp on the pup list.
6:37If you start training camp, not on the pup list, and then you go on pup, then you have to miss some regular season times.
6:45But if you're on pup list to start training camp, you can come off whenever.
6:50Nick Imanwari, their star young safety, is also on the pup list.
6:53He had arthroscopic ankle surgery. He is expected to be ready for week one.
6:57Zach Rosenblatt of The Athletic thinks that Isaiah Davis is the early favorite to be the Jets' backup running back.
7:03Davis had two games last year with seven to nine carries.
7:07He averaged 9.3 yards per carry at the Bengals, 6.4 yards per carry at the Jaguars.
7:12In both of those games, he had a long run, 50-yard run at the Bengals, 24-yard touchdown run at the Jaguars.
7:18So maybe Isaiah Davis is the name to know as the backup running back to Brees Hall.
7:23We'll see how that—it was an early guess. It wasn't a definitive statement.
7:27We'll see how that battle plays out in training camp.
7:30Wouldn't he be best suited to continue doing what he was doing last year, which is playing on passing downs?
7:36Yeah, but he has just been a pretty effective rush.
7:39I think the point was that he's been good when he's played.
7:43So maybe that's a real handcuff then because Braylon Allen, we know, is not going to be a passing downs guy.
7:49No, but if Brees Hall were to take a flight to Tahiti and accidentally miss a game, then I think we'd see
7:56a pretty steady split, maybe even close to 50-50 between Braylon and Isaiah Davis.
8:00I think Davis has that role locked up, and Frank Reich uses multiple running backs.
8:05One is the running downs guy, and one is the passing downs guy.
8:09That's his whole history. And I don't think he's going to vary from that very much.
8:13And that means that Isaiah Davis will play a lot.
8:16I just don't know if it means that he's the guy to have on your fantasy team who will for sure take
8:23off and be a top-15 fantasy running back for those Tahiti weeks for Brees.
8:27There are a couple of Twitter accounts that are pretty good to follow right now.
8:32One of us at Adam, no, just kidding. Of CoachSpeak Index is pretty good.
8:36And 32 Beatwriters, what is it? At 32 Beatwriters.
8:39Yeah, there you go. You'll get some good information there.
8:42I'm not going to say everything that every beat reporter is saying right now about players looking good or whatever.
8:48It's too early, I think, but you can get some buzz there.
8:52But Liam Cohen on the CoachSpeak Index, Liam Cohen did an interview on the Schrager Hour, and he talked a lot about
8:58Bejal Tootin and how they're expecting big things from Bejal Tootin.
9:02And last year, I thought it was interesting what he said to me was last year, Bejal Tootin was really focused on ball security.
9:09And now he can sort of free his mind and focus on other things now as a rusher.
9:14But he said, quote, we're definitely expecting Tootin to have a big year for us.
9:19So again, we'll see how it plays out. And that's just one thing that kind of caught my eye yesterday.
9:25Okay, we've got CBS Sports Network today. We're on noon Eastern on CBS Sports Network.
9:29The audio of that show will be made available in this podcast channel.
9:33And the video will be in the YouTube channel as well, youtube.com slash fantasy football today.
9:38We're talking about most undervalued and most overvalued players, bounce back players for 2026.
9:42And I've got a fun segment. I hope it's fun.
9:45Are they the same guy? I'm going to compare two wide receivers with very similar profiles and see if their ADPs are
9:52different and what that means for value. Joe, I'm going to throw this at you.
9:57A tweet of the day from Ryan McDowell of Dynasty League Football.
10:00And Ryan says, There has been a 30-plus-year-old fantasy football wide receiver who has finished top 12.
10:0538 of the past 40 seasons. That is wild.
10:08So we pretty much always have a top 12 wide receiver that's 30 years old or older.
10:13Who will it be this year? Ryan McDowell of Dynasty League Football asks.
10:17What do you think? Who's your best bet for a top 12 receiver that's 30 or older?
10:22Well, when does DJ Moore turn 30? I think he's 29 still.
10:26He's 29, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so he doesn't work there.
10:29You know, I mean, why can't it be Terry McLaurin?
10:32Let's just get back to business here with Terry McLaurin.
10:35It's amazing to me the short-term memory of good work that people have and the long-term memory of one-offs that people have
10:42where they chased Josh Gordon for years and years off one great season, but they can't seem to recall a time and
10:48space where Terry McLaurin was actually productive. Well, I do.
10:51I'm old enough to remember it, and I'm old enough to remember it with very bad quarterback play.
10:57And then Jaden Daniels comes to town, and it's spectacular.
11:00And last year, as that holdout went longer and longer, it was one of the things I preached about on all my
11:07shows too, which is the longer you hold out, we see the same thing happen over and over again.
11:12These guys come into camp late. They're behind. No matter what their private workout situation is, it's not the same.
11:18And then they get to camp late. They end up inevitably having soft tissue injuries and all kinds of problems.
11:24And next thing you know, they end up missing time.
11:27Jane Daniels missed time. The whole thing was a nightmare.
11:30So I think that's the easy answer. Probably looking at that same realm of if we're going to count out Mike Evans
11:37and we're going to count out Devontae Adams, considering the quarterbacks they play with and the offenses they're in and how much scoring is going to be there.
11:46I think we're crazy. And that's one of the weird things I talked about on today's show at Fandom too, which is
11:52I'm looking at some of these consensus breakout guys who are in that same range, and I'd just rather turn my attention
11:59to the guys who have done it time and time again, despite the fact that the age is a factor.
12:05I get that. As opposed to the guys who have just never done it at all.
12:10So that's where I'm at. But Terry McLaurin to be the first one that I would circle.
12:15Yeah. Evans, Adams, those guys will get some votes too.
12:18But McLaurin and then I don't think DJ Moore quite turns 30 this season, but he just missed.
12:23All right. Let's get to Joe's sleepers, breakouts and busts.
12:26Sleepers, Jordan Addison and Bo Nix. All right. Jordan Addison.
12:30Start with him. Joe, what do you have to say about the, what, fourth year wide out now, I believe for Minnesota?
12:36Yeah. I'm looking to get paid too. I mean, let's not forget that when money's on the table for these guys.
12:43And this is another scenario too, where everything that could have possibly gone wrong for the Vikings last year went wrong.
12:49But if we dial back just all the way to 2024, boys and girls, it's wide receiver 20.
12:54His rookie season wide receiver 21. Now, a lot of that was from touchdowns, right?
12:5919 touchdowns in those two years. And that's perfectly fine.
13:02He also scratched over, you know, 875 yards in both of those seasons.
13:06Last year, it was just at six to 10.
13:09He missed some time. He even missed some time in 2024, which people forget.
13:13Had he played the extra two games, there's a good chance he would have been closer to a thousand yards.
13:19And I do have a certain amount of faith in a scenario where you have a former number one, overall quarterback selection
13:26in Kyler Murray, who sure has his deficits and sure has had his issues is going to play football with the best wide receiver on the planet.
13:34We're the best offensive minds in the planet, Kevin O'Connell.
13:37And you're dropping into a scenario where it's basically S or get off the pot, where you've got to figure out if
13:43you are still a starter in this league and you're going to have a career or you're going to be one of these guys.
13:51It's now just a competition guy that they bring in.
13:54So your career is on the line. And I feel like when you have great athletes and their careers are on the
14:00line or their reputations are on the line, and to a certain extent, Kevin O'Connell's in kind of a tricky spot too,
14:07because of how disappointing last year was and how good that division is.
14:11To me, I look at this scenario and I say, Jordan Addison's a piece that's pretty cheap that I want.
14:17He's the consensus wide receiver 45. That's worse than he finished last year.
14:21And I don't understand that because this is a guy at his best is a top 20 ish wide receiver and you're
14:28going to get him so much later. So for me, Addison's a guy that I'm buying right back into.
14:33And I understand why the, the, the price is what it is.
14:37I just think typically it's wrong. And I would rather take an investment late on somebody list.
14:42So this is a sleeper that's actually performed before, but I think this year because of his ADP is basically being drafted as such.
14:49Okay. That's Jordan Addison. We're going to get thoughts on Addison from Dave and Jamie in a moment.
14:55And I think it's an interesting way to phrase it, a sleeper that's actually performed before, because he's in the same range
15:01as Ricky Pierce, all who we'll talk about a little bit later.
15:05Um, Josh downs. These guys have never done it really, certainly not over a full season.
15:10They haven't ever been a top 25 receiver per game, I think twice for Jordan Addison.
15:15So I think that's a interesting angle on that.
15:18So we'll be right back. We're going to take a break and we'll get Dave and Jamie's thoughts on the sleeper call of Jordan Addison after this.
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18:26did with Carson Wentz in those, you know, four games last year, five games last year with Wentz.
18:32Addison played in four of those games and it was his best stretch of games as well.
18:37So, you know, how much of this is just really a JJ McCarthy thing versus what this team's going to look like,
18:44what Kyler Murray's going to do, Kevin O'Connell's history.
18:46The one concern with Addison, and I love everything Joe said, and I agree with everything Joe said, but the one concern
18:53would be is, what does Jawan Jennings do to everybody there?
18:56Just because he obviously has a better resume than Jalen Naylor.
19:00He obviously is coming into a situation with a nine touchdown season in the previous year.
19:05And does he just create a little bit more of a problem?
19:08Because we've never seen Kyler consistently support multiple targets.
19:11And so, you know, Jefferson's going to get fed.
19:14I'm hoping, counting on expecting, sounds like Joe is as well, Jordan Addison to be two.
19:18He should be based on talent, but is it going to be, there's a clear one, there's a clear two, and then
19:25there's a clear everybody else, which is kind of what has been since Addison's been there.
19:30And now is it a clear one? And then a mess underneath Justin Jefferson.
19:34And I hope that's not the case. So I think that's baked into Addison's price.
19:39I think that's what you're looking at here. And if he does get the contract year bump of, Hey, I got to
19:45get my life right because we know he says, no off field stuff.
19:49And I got to get my game right. And I think the quarterback upgrade will help.
19:54Then you get a great player at Addison's cost.
19:57Okay. I'm, I'm skittish on Kyler and Jamie, Jamie mentioned it there.
20:01There is not a good track record of Kyler Murray helping multiple wide receivers get good fantasy production.
20:06But if we're looking for, you want to call it 11.6 PPR points.
20:10That's what he had at minimum. Every game with Carson Wentz last year, he also had 7.5 targets in those games, which is very high for him.
20:18Usually he's right around six. If we're looking for 11.6, okay, this is a receiver that I would like to have on my bench.
20:25The contingency upside is pretty good. If something were to happen to Jetta, but otherwise I, I feel like I want to
20:32shoot for upside on a bunch of other wide receivers before I go back for Addison.
20:37Totally agree about the talent. I've loved him since his days at, at, at Southern Cal and pit.
20:42And he was awesome, but I, I do worry about the quarterback situation.
20:46I worry about a little bit for Jefferson too, to be perfectly honest, Kyler has not been an amazing thrower.
20:52He's got his weaknesses. You mentioned that Joe, and that's the type of thing that could absolutely sink the upside for everybody involved in Minnesota.
21:00One last thing though, and this is just something that might help you feel more confident about Addison getting to 11.6.
21:06Their run game is a, it looks like a quagmire to me.
21:10Yes, because Aaron Jones is so old Jordan Mason.
21:13I know he's going to get a good opportunity.
21:15I don't know if I'm really buying him to be great for fantasy.
21:19And DeMond Claiborne is, is, is fun, but I don't know if he's going to have a big role.
21:25This team could end up throwing a lot. And that makes me a little bit more encouraged, but that's just, that makes
21:32me feel better about the floor more than the ceiling.
21:35For what it's worth. I have the, my concerns are the two that these two gentlemen laid out there.
21:40It is the Juwan Jennings presence. I think, well, you know, it's different offense.
21:45I'm hoping that like Juwan Jennings popping off those times was really just a matter of, there was nobody left at the end of throw to.
21:53And those are the games where he really started to shine.
21:56And then the Kyler Murray questions you have, I think are completely legitimate.
22:00The thing that I keep telling myself to help me sleep at night.
22:04When I make these sorts of statements about Jordan Addison is that.
22:07Kyler Murray has also never worked with an offensive coach.
22:10So what Kevin O'Connell is. And as somebody who coaches young quarterbacks, I can tell you the, the confidence that you get
22:17when you work with people that, you know, have raw talent, and then you have all of a sudden this acumen to make them understand the field better.
22:26You can, you can take that talent and really explain the position to them better.
22:30And even when you get to the NFL level, it's so much faster and everything is so much better at that level than it is in college.
22:38It's easier for the great athletes to dominate in college.
22:41It's something you saw Caleb Williams do, right? But he struggles when he gets to the NFL because of the reads and
22:48the progressions and all this stuff that he's got to figure out of playing the position at the highest level.
22:54I don't think Kyler has ever been challenged enough and appropriately by the right kind of offensive minds all of his time
23:01in Arizona in an organization that frankly still makes you pay for your own lunch, which is a crazy thing, right?
23:07Like that place is still not great. And I want to see what he can do in an environment that is just far better.
23:14But to the point these guys make, those are the two things I think would stunt the sleeper status potentially, which is good because he's cheap enough.
23:22If you're wrong on Addison, it's still not going to kill you in drafts.
23:27Sure. Yeah. Okay. By the way, 11.6 fantasy points is what Dave said is the lowest in the four games that he played with Carson Wentz, Jordan Addison.
23:35Just want to point out a few things. One, Carson Wentz threw a lot of passes.
23:40He threw 46, 34, 42, and then 27 passes in that game of 27 passes.
23:45Max Brosmer had four pass attempts. So Kyler's not going to do that, but it was a 20.5% target share for Addison.
23:51And if you told me he was going to get a 20.5% target share, I would definitely take him around a hundredth overall, which is where he's going.
24:00But no, I think he deserves to go higher than that.
24:03Yeah, fine. Sure. But no one mentioned TJ Hawkinson.
24:06I don't think he was completely an afterthought last year.
24:09I don't know what that was all about. If his target per run rate bounces back, then that could complicate things.
24:15And then final thing, 11.6, again, 11.6 PBR fantasy points.
24:18Guess who averaged 11.6 PBR fantasy points per game last year?
24:21Jefferson. Jawan Jennings. Oh. It felt like Justin. What a troll.
24:25What a troll. Look at you. Very random. All right, let's go to Bo Nix.
24:29And I love, I mean, we've mentioned that how underappreciated Bo Nix seems this year, but yeah, you're, he's a sleeper for you.
24:36Bo Nix and on fantasy pros, Bo Nix is QB 15 going 111th in ADP.
24:41Oh, oh, there. Oh, okay. Um, so, so here, here's what I've come to with, with Bo Nix, um, is that when
24:48you're in super flex this year or even deeper QB leagues, I understand when you watch Bo Nix, it gets a little maddening.
24:54Sometimes I understand the first halves were not great.
24:57I made this appeal on the first show that I don't fandom when I'm talking about the guys that I'm looking and
25:04targeting and I think are good values are going to return at higher levels.
25:08And I come back to Bo Nix. And what's so interesting about Bo Nix is when you look at the projections year
25:15over year for him, you're looking at basically a copy and paste job, which I always find interesting when projections tell you
25:21that, especially when you add a wide receiver, like a Jalen Waddle, who was not there last year.
25:27You're also talking about a quarterback in his third year.
25:30So I expect most quarterbacks to have some struggles and some ups and downs in their sophomore season, because when there's more
25:37tape on you, everybody in the league has more time to study you, adjust you, find your weaknesses.
25:42What was good is that Bo Nix at a lot of halftimes was making adjustments and coming back in games and finding ways to win football games.
25:50And that's good. That's going to keep your job.
25:53But it's funny because you look at the 2025 stats and the 2026 projections, and they are basically identical.
25:59And you're talking about a quarterback is going to get you around 300 fantasy points.
26:03And he's going right now as what the 15th quarterback off the board.
26:07And if you're talking about late round quarterback strategy, Bo Nix fits into it.
26:11If you're talking about adding another weapon in the off season that the Broncos paid some serious draft capital for, that matters to me.
26:19I still think that run game is kind of a weird committee here.
26:23Coleman's an interesting guy later in the season. We'll see if he pops off a little bit, but Bo Nix can run.
26:29Bo Nix is mobile. I understand some of this is also concern about the injury, but it seems like Sean Payton is
26:36very bullish about him and that recovery. It seems like week one is not a problem.
26:41We're going to go right after it. But I think when you have your third year in the league, you've had success.
26:47You're on a very good team. The defense is going to continue to put them in some short yardage situations with the
26:54turnovers they create and the amount of pressure. I mean, nobody's got more sacks than the Denver Broncos last three years, right?
27:01178. That's almost 30 more than the second team, which is the Ravens.
27:05And now you're talking about a scenario where you give Bo Nix short fields.
27:09There's more scoring. You give him another weapon. There's more scoring.
27:12So I don't buy this whole copy and paste job.
27:15I think there's room for more. And the fact that he is a three 99 single quarterback league guy is great.
27:22And in super flex, he's right in that, what I have to call the soft middle, I think is tremendous value as well.
27:29And I would use CBS ADP on Bo Nix, but he's QB 21.
27:33Adam Mazur, it's your show. You can use the ADP from wherever you want.
27:37Go draft sharks. Now we'll, we'll use different ones, but he QB 21 on CBS, which is honestly, it's not that crazy.
27:43He was behind Baker Mayfield, Jordan love Kyler Murray.
27:46It just shows you how deep the position is.
27:49All these guys could be good picks. One thing that, so I don't know if we have to get too much into Nick's because we completely agree.
27:57I mean, he's been 10th, I think in 13th per game in his first two seasons in six point for passing touchdown leagues.
28:04And he's even better in four point. So I just look at his schedule.
28:08Now, do we think the chiefs are going to be a tough matchup?
28:12They lost their starting cornerbacks. So it's, well, I mean, they got the guy you've loved forever.
28:17Who's that? Well, Jerry's needs back. Oh yeah. And they drafted a cornerback in top 10, but their early schedule is at the chiefs home against the Jaguars.
28:26They're actually pretty solid defense last year. The Rams at the Niners at the chargers and then Seattle.
28:31That's their first six games. It's just something. It sounds like they're going to need Bo next.
28:36It sounds like he might struggle though. I mean, those are tough matchups, but it'd be some low scoring games.
28:42Yeah. Yeah. All right. I think the thing about the thing about Nick's is that he's, he's like the one guy for
28:49the last, I don't know how many years where he gets the weapon and gets no respect.
28:54Right. Like he's been, he's been so good despite some of the flaws.
28:58I, I do question if the vault, the past volume will still be there because yes, the run game is a little suspect, but it's a big hope.
29:07It's, you know, it's hoping JK Dobbins stays healthy.
29:09It's hoping Jonah Coleman can, you know, sort of fill that role.
29:13It's hoping RJ Harvey can run better between the tackles.
29:16It's a lot of questions. So that makes sense.
29:19But like, you still know what Sean Payton wants to do.
29:22It's like, he doesn't want to have, I think a top five passing attack.
29:26I think it wants to, I think it wants to be a little bit more balanced in terms of what the numbers are.
29:33So I'll ask you guys, Bo Nix or Bo Nix or Kyler Murray.
29:37I'll take Bo Nix. Two Nixes and a Kyler.
29:40I think I heard Bo Nix or Daniel Jones.
29:43Bo Nix. Nix. Jared Goff. I'll take off. Goff never gets enough respect.
29:47I'll take off too, but it's, it's close for me.
29:50It's definitely close. I think since both are backups, it depends on what you're looking for, because if you're looking for high upside, it's Bo Nix.
29:58Cause I think we see what Jared Goff is.
30:00He's just kind of that 20 to 23 point type of guy.
30:04I think Bo Nix, if he hits with Jalen model, we'll be better.
30:08So if I need a safe quarterback, I'm going to take Jared Goff.
30:12I need a little bit more. Hey, let's swing for the fence.
30:15It's the Bo Nix. All right. Nick's Bo Nix, Stevie Nix, Hakeem Nix, and the New York Nix.
30:21Oh, well, Stevie Nix is number one. I look, I'm sorry.
30:24Nick's man. Stevie Nix is still number one. No, no, no, no, no.
30:28Silver Springs, Silver Springs live all time. Great performance there.
30:31You could sing a breakup song to the guy you broke up with in front of millions of people to make a
30:38ton of money on that's baller stuff. Nick's all great this year.
30:41Tremendous. All, all time run. Somebody in my family are still crying and enjoy about it.
30:46And it's a beautiful thing, but let's not also forget all the pain that was there too.
30:51I forgot about all the pain. It's close second.
30:54And then Hakeem Nix, I think is that, that's my personal ranking, but I will put Bo behind the New York Nix just because they've won.
31:02So he's three. Hakeem is four. Okay. Uh, where's Jack Black's singing Stevie Nix in that list?
31:07Yes. Great call. So good. From a school of rock.
31:10There's a great poll, Frank. Okay. Let's talk about breakouts here.
31:13I'm going to, I'm going to lump the two breakouts together.
31:17Ricky Pearsall and Makai Lemon, and just doing a little bit of, uh, let's see if I have it here.
31:23Devante Smith notes and what his target share was.
31:26The last four regular seasons, Devante Smith's target share in games where both AJ Brown and Dallas Goddard played, stayed on the
31:32field, stayed healthy, didn't leave with an injury. It's not bad.
31:36It's pretty encouraging. I think 26.9%, 21.2%, 21.4% and 24.2%.
31:39So at least 21.2% target share for Devante Smith.
31:41When both Goddard and Brown were healthy last four years.
31:44Now that's not amazing when you have the low pass volume, but anyway, I'll throw it over to Joe.
31:50Now, Ricky Pearsall and Makai Lemon are your two, two breakouts.
31:53You wanted to talk about today. Go for it.
31:56Well, these are two guys that are being drafted on the fringe of wide receiver three slash four.
32:02Right. And I love this range because depending on what your draft strategy is, you're looking to kind of take some shots.
32:08I think when you start to get into this range of player.
32:12Now what Makai Lemon is to me is a player that I think can hit the ground running in this offense.
32:18I, I think there's a weird negativity around Jalen hurts that is not deserved considering he gets a new offensive coordinator every single year.
32:26That's a lot on a quarterback that lack of consistency.
32:29And the fact that he can overcome it every year is good.
32:32People say, well, he's not that great over the middle.
32:35It's not that he's not good over the middle.
32:38The problem is that's never been the focal point of the offense and how they want to attack it.
32:44They're going to have to change that now because of the personnel they have and any offensive coordinator worth their salt is
32:50going to make those adjustments and start to attack the middle of the field a little bit more.
32:56When you have a guy who can play in the slot, like a Makai Lemon, you have, or the lack thereof now
33:02big body wide receiver, like an AJ Brown. So you're going to have to change what you do and the way you
33:09approach it with the personnel you have. And I do believe this regime will be smart enough to do that.
33:15And Makai Lemon, you know, he's a mercurial personality.
33:18There's no doubt about that. He is definitely not your average dude, but I do think when you watch his tape, you know, I think Amon Ross St.
33:26Brown comparisons are very lofty. I don't want to put anybody up against the work ethic of Amon Ross St.
33:32Brown because he's in a different planet than everybody else, but the skillset stuff is there.
33:37And I do believe this is a player that you don't have to wait till week 10 to see returns on, which is also important.
33:45And then when it comes to Ricky Pearsall, same kind of deal where Ricky Pearsall has actually shown you some flashes of this.
33:52And it's very difficult in the 49ers offense. And where I always struggle with Pearsall is, well, okay, it's, it's Christian McCaffrey.
33:58Then it's a healthy George Kittle. Now it's a Mike Evans in there.
34:02So at best, he's the fourth guy, right? And, and that's frustrating sometimes, but I think what he has going in his
34:09favor is the fact that all three of those guys all have injury concerns.
34:13There's all path at some point where their ability to stay on the field and play every single game is in question.
34:20Ricky Pearsall has had the similar problem. Some of those obviously beyond his control.
34:24We know about that in his first year, but there were some flashes last year where you saw him operate in this field.
34:31And it does feel like that draft capital is not dead for this organization.
34:35It feels like Kyle Shanahan still does believe in this player very much and, and, and stripling, I don't think is a
34:42guy that can compete with what Pearsall has been able to do so far.
34:46So I do think these are two guys that are right on that fringe that if you want to double up in
34:53the wide receiver group, there in that pool with that range, right?
34:57You have back-to-back picks or you're close there and you need some wide receiver help.
35:01I think at least one of these guys can deliver those kinds of moments where you draft them as wide receiver three
35:08slash fours, and they perform more like twos and threes.
35:11And that to me is how you win fantasy leagues.
35:14When you identify those guys that have the upside to jump a tier at wide receiver, and eventually you can draft guys
35:21that twos who have number one performances, half a dozen times a year.
35:24To me, that's the big difference. And I think these two guys in their respective offenses with good quarterback play can do that.
35:31Who, who, how would you rank Addison, Lemon, Pearsall?
35:34Interesting. Um, because we're talking about that cluster there, right?
35:37Um, it's a tough question. It is, it is.
35:40I would still go Addison because when you've given me 20 wide receiver, 20 twice, okay, I'm not throwing that out the window.
35:47So still Addison for me, I would take Lemon next because I do think Lemon is a need more than anything.
35:53Pearsall feels like a little bit more of a luxury item in that.
35:57Forte and her offense potentially. Whereas I don't see that being an option with the Eagles.
36:02I think they need Makai Lemon to go be that guy.
36:05And if you're going to start jump and I know how he doesn't have the greatest track record or draft and wide receiver.
36:12Sometimes that's that we know that sometimes it's hit and miss, but when you leapfrog the Steelers in that draft in order
36:19to make that pick, I think you're there to use that guy and utilize him in the offense.
36:24Okay. Dave, how do you rank those three Addison Lemon?
36:27Pearsall. It's very close between Pearsall and Addison, but I like the ceiling of Pearsall more.
36:32That'll change. If we get to mid August and George Kittle's practicing, Mike Evans is in the best shape of his life.
36:39CMC is still out there doing his thing. There's definitely going to be a target crunch.
36:44If all those guys are healthy in San Francisco and it makes it really hard to buy into Pearsall, that's on top
36:50of the fact that Pearsall has had injury concerns.
36:53I do love the flashes. Joe mentioned the flashes.
36:56I love the flashes from Pearsall. Every time he had at least seven targets last year, he was over 13 PPR points.
37:03With Lemon, I'm wondering if it's going to take a year because the college game isn't the same as the pro game.
37:09We all know this and the things that he was great at in college.
37:13Yeah, it fits what Philadelphia's offense is looking for now.
37:16They need somebody who can beat zone, somebody who's going to cross the field, sit in soft spots, make a play after
37:23the catch, have that yards after catch. I'm not sure the targets will be there for him.
37:28I'm not as optimistic about it as Joe is.
37:31Let's put it that way, especially with Philadelphia consistently being a bastion of running and not putting the ball in the air a ton.
37:38And if we're expecting this big leap for Devontae Smith, he's the one who's going to get the targets.
37:44I think Dallas Goddard will have a say in things, particularly in the red zone.
37:49And I feel like Lemon will be a little too boom or bust.
37:52So give me Pearsall first, Addison second, Lemon significantly after those two.
37:56Adam, can I ask Dave a question real quick?
37:59No. All right. It was a good try. Thanks everybody.
38:02Appreciate it. Appreciate the time. If you're a defensive coordinator, what's the first thing you do when you're going against the Eagles?
38:09What are you game planning to stop? You got to stop the run.
38:12No question. You got to stop the cycle. And to me, that's that notion of like, there's, that's where the opportunity lies
38:19because I know now you can't beat me over the top anymore with AJ Brown.
38:24You can't throw these jump balls there. You don't have that kind of crew that's going to be able to, to handle
38:30that kind of a workload or that kind of style.
38:33So now you become easier. In my opinion, as a D coordinator that I can go out there and I get to,
38:40all right, I'm going to eliminate Saquon. Okay. Jalen hurts.
38:43You're going to beat me the passing game through all this stuff.
38:47And I think that to me is where the, at least the opportunity for lemon lives.
38:51But to Dave's point, yeah, that's still going to, they're going to still try to dictate their best situation, which is to run the football.
38:59So that's going to be a fascinating thing to watch it play out, especially in that East.
39:04That's gotten a little bit better. The, the tricky part about that for defensive coordinators is that you've got to stop the
39:11run and you've got to play zone coverage at the same time, because if you play man, you really give a huge advantage to Jalen hurts.
39:19If your pass rush can't get to him. So I think a lemon is a good fit for them.
39:24Maybe like we'll, we'll see him in September, not be great.
39:28And by the time we get to Thanksgiving, then he could be somebody that we're considering as a wide receiver three.
39:34That wouldn't surprise me either, but I've got my eye on 2027 for lemon.
39:38I loved him coming. I was my favorite receiver coming out.
39:42I just think it's going to take a little bit of time for, and it's not just him.
39:47It's everybody in Philadelphia is going to have to adjust.
39:50This is a West coast offense. It's a lot different than what they've been playing.
39:55And I think there's going to be some, they're going to ask some things of Jalen hurts that he's not necessarily, he hasn't done a lot of.
40:03And it's, it's remains to be seen if he's going to be as good doing those things right away, or if it's
40:10going to take a little bit of time, but the hallmark of that West coast offense is letting it rip.
40:16I just hope he throws more. I mean, the last two years they've been so low in past volume.
40:21Jamie, Corey says, Pierce all Addison lemon. Sounds like a hoity toity drink.
40:25Adam would get at his high end New York.
40:28I have been at a bar where you've ordered that with.
40:31Oh yeah. I don't think so. Not me. Pierce all Addison.
40:35I hate lemon. And I don't drink. It would have been a twist of lemon.
40:39Like that was, that's right. And the drink comes in six months because it's on the shelf too long.
40:45Lemon and drinks is no good. Jamie, your ranking of Pierce all Addison lemon.
40:49It's Addison. Then Pierce all on lemon closer together.
40:52I think the, the, the concern with Pierce all versus lemon is lemons walking into a situation that is so wide open
40:59that the targets should be there for him. The question becomes is the Marquise Brown, Dontavian Wicks, Elijah Moores of the world.
41:05Are they going to impact lemon early on in the season enough where he doesn't shine because he's clearly a much more
41:12talented player than those guys at this point in his career.
41:15It's just a matter of does Marquise Brown, for example, do the right things because he's a veteran has been on a
41:22few different offenses can adjust a little bit quicker.
41:25So that's really the concern there. Pierce all is walking into a situation where there's a hall of famer joining him.
41:31Uh, they said, if Kittle is going to practice, it seems like he's almost certainly going to practice at this point based on what we're seeing from him.
41:39The thing that I hate about Pierce all right now is the health concerns.
41:44There's a video that's been circulating of him running in shorts and no shirt on with a knee brace on still.
41:50Like, what are we doing here? If he can't stay healthy with this guy, it's just so unfortunate because there, there's so much talent.
41:57Uh, but they bring in Evans. They bring in Christian Kirk, who I think is one of these guys that's always going to be an underrated veteran.
42:06That will impact almost everybody. And you know, we hate that coaches love that.
42:10Uh, and then I do think, you know, again, we're, we're, we're begging for news items.
42:15The, the latest one from the 49ers is, Oh, the Rams were in on Deshaun's dribbling.
42:19Everybody thought he was this great wide receiver. At the time he was drafted, everybody just pooped all over it because it was too soon.
42:27So we'll see how much dribbling is a factor here.
42:30But I think just in the case of Pierce all like, you know, Purdy's going to lean on Evans because of who
42:37he is and what they're expecting from him. You know, he's going to lean on Kittle.
42:42And then I think Pierce all's fighting for that third spot, which he should get, but you know, we have that guy, Christian McCaffrey as well.
42:49Lemon just has such a wide open canvas. You know, we, we, we are anointing Devante Smith, understandably.
42:55So there's 120 targets that are available. If lemon's not better than Marquise Brown and those guys, at least at some point
43:02early in the season, I don't think it's going to take as long as Dave thinks.
43:06I think it's going to happen sooner. I think lemon's going to be a factor for Jalen hurts.
43:12And if he's not better than, you know, Joe made a great point.
43:16Then it's another failure from how he Roseman just in drafting that position.
43:20Once again, I will say this too. It's Christian Kirk.
43:23That has me having Pierce all third in that list because to Jamie's point, there's nothing I hate more than a boring
43:29veteran that gets brought in for depth. When you're trying to get a breakout in fantasy, because that, especially in the early
43:36going in the first six weeks, some guys are going to want to lean on the veteran and then, you know, see
43:43if he can contribute because he's a veteran and you trust him and all that stuff.
43:48And that, that to me is why Pierce all third in that list, but they're all tight in ADP for a reason.
43:54Okay. So just want to give people a little hope for San Francisco, the 2023 San Francisco 49ers, they threw only 29 passes per game.
44:02They have become more pass heavy, more of Brock Purdy's team.
44:05Since then, Brock Purdy was QB eight per game.
44:08Christian McCaffrey was RB one per game. George Kittle was tight end seven per game, almost tight end six per game in
44:14a pretty good year for tight ends. He averaged 12.7 fantasy points per game.
44:19Brandon. And Iuke was wide receiver 16 per game.
44:21And Debo Samuel was actually wide receiver 14 per game.
44:24But that, if you take away a lot of his rushing, you take away his rushing stats, he would have been about wide receiver 36 per game.
44:33So that is the, I think I said QB eight for Purdy, but I forgot there were two quarterbacks ahead of him that played one in five games.
44:41So that's QB six, RB one, tight end six or seven, wide receiver 14, and wide receiver 36, all on the same
44:48team with them only throwing 29 passes per game.
44:51They are the offense that can be so efficient that they turn their targets into fantasy points, basically better than any team in the NFL.
44:58All right. We're going to take a break and get into Joe's busts, Harold Fannin Jr.
45:03and Malik neighbors of the New York Giants when we come back.
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46:53Harold Fannin Jr., Malik Mabers, on the bus list for Joe Pisapia.
46:57Let's talk about Harold Fannin Jr. Look, I like Harold Fannin Jr.
47:00as a talent. So this is not a knock on Harold Fannin.
47:04This is a knock more on the relationship of Harold Fannin to the tight end room that we're looking at in the
47:11pool this year, and then on top of which the quarterbacks he's going to play with at some point in time.
47:17So Harold Fannin, I think there were some flashes there where people going, okay, this is going to be the main guy in the offense.
47:25And it very well still might be. But here's kind of the struggle bus for me.
47:29You're still dealing with a Watson-Shador Sanders mix there that we still have no real clarity on.
47:35I mean, we can all take our guesses, but at the end of the day, it's still going to be weird in
47:41August, and it could even be weird all year.
47:44Then you have a situation where he's going ahead of somebody like Tucker Kraft.
47:48Now, Tucker Kraft is exactly the guy that you want Harold Fannin to be that he was last year, right?
47:54Because Tucker Kraft was the guy that was the focal point, basically, of that passing attack.
47:59They did not bring in anybody else. The biggest target competition that a guy like Tucker Kraft has is Christian Watson, who,
48:06God bless him, is very spectacular in his playmaking ability, but less spectacular in his ability to stay on the field.
48:12And when I look at Harold Fannin and I look at, I could take Tyler Warren ahead of him, I could take
48:19Tucker Kraft after him, I could even throw the dice on Sam Laporta or even wait longer if I think that I'm,
48:25you know, going to get a great discount and return on investment on a George Kittle return eventually healthy, and I'll make
48:32do with some other tight end like a Goddard or even Isaiah Likely early on.
48:37Fannin to me is the guy that sticks out, not because of his lack of ability, but because I just don't know
48:43if you can look at these projections and be honest that this is where we're going to go with this player within this team.
48:51It's a new coach. It's a new OC. It's a muddy quarterback situation.
48:54They drafted a bunch of wide receivers. I don't know a damn thing about who the Browns are going to be in
49:012026, and I think anybody who thinks that they do is wrong, and that's my concern is where he's going, not necessarily
49:08the player, so that's my take on Fannin, and then for the other bust too that I was discussing too, I think
49:14the neighbors one still to me, I think this is one that's going to fall off a map eventually.
49:20I think we're just giant nerds who are here early to the game and things haven't caught up yet, but you just
49:27can't possibly keep thinking of Malik Nabors as a top 10 wide receiver, not in talent, but in draft capital.
49:33I mean, it's just absurd, right? And I think the smarter drafts, the sharper drafts you're in, you're going to see this
49:40fall off because the recovery time is going to be there, and then what does he look like when he does get on the field?
49:47Is he going to miss the full six weeks?
49:50Is he going to miss 10 weeks? We don't know, and we don't know what the Giants are going to look like
49:57by the time that happens, so Malik Nabors is an intriguing dynasty buy right now because of the downturn, and you can
50:03even wait for it when it gets in season and people get more frustrated.
50:07You might even get a better take on him and a better discount, but I think in 2026 in redraft, it's just
50:14a really tough investment until you get far beyond the range.
50:17I mean, I'll ask Dave. I mean, Dave, would you rather have Tara McLaurin or Malik Nabors going into this year?
50:24Tara McLaurin. Wait, why do you keep asking Dave?
50:27Because Jamie seems busy. But I was the one who brought you on.
50:30No, I asked Dave because it was Terry McLaurin and he was the guy that originally said McLaurin.
50:36That's why I said it. But Jamie, would you rather have DJ Moore this year or would you rather have Malik Nabors?
50:43Malik Nabors. DJ Moore? See, even if I ask Jamie, Dave answers.
50:46Yeah, I wouldn't have that. No, no, no. I was just telling you who you were trying to compare to DJ Moore.
50:53I actually have a question for you, Joe. You said that Malik Nabors is a great dynasty buy right now.
50:59If you were selling Malik Nabors, what would you be looking to get for Malik Nabors?
51:04That's a great question. I don't want to sell him.
51:07That's the deep answer. It's not a good question.
51:10It's a terrible question. Don't answer it. It's a terrible market.
51:13I'll tell you what. Look, if I'm a team that could win now, I would take the next two years of A.J.
51:19Brown because I think the next two years of A.J.
51:23Brown with Drake May are going to be very good where somebody might be looking for the next five or more of Malik Nabors.
51:30I think that's a deal you could pull off.
51:33It's got to be somebody with a little bit of age, with a shorter window of success, but still one that's going to make an impact.
51:40That would be the kind of trade I'd be looking for.
51:44So if you were selling Malik Nabors, would you sell it for, let's say, Deshaun Stribbling and Antonio Williams?
51:49This feels very close to home, Jamie. By Adam's reaction.
51:52There was a veteran receiver thrown in there. I don't remember what his name was.
51:57Christian Kirk? If we keep revisiting this trade, I'm going to need a few Addison Pearsall lemons to get through the day.
52:04Is this an Adam Azer trade here? I'll go ahead and look up the trade.
52:08I mean, I made a trade. It was two first round picks.
52:12They were picks 11 and 12 and Michael Wilson.
52:15Yeah, this year. But when I made the trade, I didn't know how horrible the draft class was going to be and whatnot.
52:22So I was getting too late. The last two picks of the first round, Michael Wilson and maybe a future second or something like that for Nabors.
52:30And obviously, it looks like it's going to be a pretty bad trade.
52:34You never know. Yeah, you probably know. We haven't done the draft yet because Adam, Joe, you know when rookie drafts mostly happen?
52:41Yes, I do. Usually right after. You know when Adam's rookie drafts happen?
52:45No. When do they happen? Before the draft? No.
52:47We'll do it Monday. It's starting on Monday. That's an interesting choice.
52:51And honestly, I wish I was going to be even later because I really want to see where Stefan digs.
52:57Maybe you could push it until October. I would love to.
53:00I think so. I think we should see these guys in action before we put them on our teams.
53:06I just think, you know. You know why he's doing this, Joe?
53:10Because last year he drafted RJ Harvey before they signed JK Dobbins and he's pissed.
53:14Yeah. I can understand being pissed about that. That's exactly right.
53:18I think the neighbors or McLaurin, neighbors or DJ Moore questions are tough.
53:21I don't think you can really answer that kind of question.
53:25You shouldn't be drafting it because we don't know anything about Malik Nabors' health.
53:29John Harbaugh's been very vague about it. Well, we know he's not healthy though.
53:33That's the thing. But they haven't ruled him out for week one.
53:37They have not ruled him out for week one.
53:40They haven't ruled him in for week one either.
53:42They're playing by week seven. That's where we are.
53:45So, again, it comes down to what you're looking for, what your expectations are.
53:49It's just hard to buy into him right now, especially as we continue to find out, hey, they want to run the ball.
53:56Hey, they want to be a little bit more of this, a little bit more of that.
54:01Like, it doesn't seem like, hey, let's feature Malik Nabors.
54:04I would take him over both DJ Moore and Terry McLaurin.
54:08Jamie, you might know this because, you know, you've got that beautiful mind thing.
54:12How many big-time wide receiver one performances and hardball offenses have we had in 18 years?
54:17Not many. I'm trying to think of one. Did we get a Torrey Smith back in the day?
54:22Did we get one of those? I don't think so.
54:25I mean, he had Bolden and Torrey Smith. You know, we've been chasing the Zay Flowers breakout.
54:31Steve Smith. Okay, Steve Smith probably, right? In the later.
54:34But even then, like, Steve Smith wasn't the Steve Smith that he was.
54:37Right, the best version of him. I'm just saying, like, to Jamie's point, like, it's hardball is a, you know, old-school kind
54:44of coach and, you know, it's a new-school NFL and that's kind of what cost him, I think, the last couple years.
54:51I mean, I'd still give him the benefit of the doubt that if Malik Nabors were healthy, he'd find ways to get Malik Nabors to football.
54:59Oh, absolutely. Because I don't think he had a receiver quite like Malik Nabors, but now you've got me thinking about when
55:05there might have been any wide receiver under, I think there might have been like two under John Harbaugh.
55:11Hold on, hold on. That averaged over 15 PPR points per game.
55:15You got two straight seasons of basically 120 targets for Zay Flowers.
55:18If Malik Nabors, two questions, just answer yes or no.
55:21If Malik Nabors plays more, 17 games, does he get 120 targets?
55:25North of them. Yeah. Yeah. Do you think Terry McLaurin and DJ Moore are getting 120 targets?
55:30Because it is, I mean, I just don't think Malik Nabors is playing a lot of games this year.
55:36I think this year you're getting over 120 targets for both those guys, yes.
55:40All right. Because you almost never get 130 from McLaurin in his career.
55:44120 is usually... True, but again, we have a situation for this year McLaurin and the four of us as the receiving core for the Washington Panthers.
55:52But if they're going to have similar targets, again...
55:55I fully stretched out before the show, Jamie, so I'm ready.
55:58If the targets are going to be similar, I'm going to take Nabors over McLaurin.
56:03I think if it was a healthy Malik Nabors, everybody would, but it's not a healthy Malik Nabors.
56:08So let's just go targets per game and you're saying, let's just say seven and a half per game for each guy.
56:15Then Nabors is healthy, clearly, but... An unhealthy Malik Nabors doesn't create target opportunity at that level.
56:20I have been anti-Nabors. Nor does he separate like we're used to seeing him separate.
56:25And that's the difference is you can't create that separation.
56:28I don't know. I've been anti-Nabors since January, okay?
56:30But if you're drafting Malik Nabors at this point, you're drafting him for what probably his mid-to-late season performance.
56:36Right. I don't necessarily agree. His entire season is.
56:39I mean... Yeah, but it ain't top 10 overall wide receiver.
56:42I mean, you know... No. Miss me with that.
56:45I think there have been... Again, I've been anti-Nabors.
56:48Remember I said somebody drafted him in the first round.
56:51I said, what did I call it? You were very...
56:54Yes, you were the first person I heard to say why are we drafting Malik Nabors?
56:59But I think he's gone a little bit too far.
57:02And there have been enough examples of players who have come back from torn ACLs.
57:06I don't know about ACL plus meniscus. And been really good like Jordy Nelson.
57:10Christian Watson is a great example. What if we get a Christian Watson year from Malik Nabors?
57:15You'll be happy with it if you have Nabors but only if you're drafting him in the right spot.
57:21No, but you're getting... If you get a Malik...
57:24Okay. Christian Watson basically came back and was himself.
57:27Malik Nabors is better than Christian Watson. I know.
57:29If he comes back and is himself then you're going to be so happy to get Malik Nabors in the third or
57:36the fourth round even if you have to miss a few weeks.
57:40I guess... I just think maybe we're going a little bit too far but I also think he's probably the player that
57:46we cannot speak intelligently about more so than any other player.
57:50So we just don't know what his health is what his status is.
57:54To answer Joe's question the only receiver in the John Harbaugh era in Baltimore that averaged more than 15 PPR points per
58:00game was Steve Don't Call Me Torrey Smith 7 games 2015 18.7 PPR points The next highest...
58:05The next... I know he doesn't even qualify The next highest is Zay Flowers last year last year 14.3 Because you just
58:12can't you can't ignore where the league is now Like it's just that's the nature of this beast of the NFL That...
58:19Look man of course you have Malik neighbors you get Malik neighbors the ball My big concern is you don't see healthy
58:25Malik neighbors or enough of healthy Malik neighbors to justify anywhere close to the draft capital it takes to get him right
58:32now I think it's just absurd and I do think that will change because shows like this we're going to yell and
58:39scream about it and I'm going to yell and scream on Fandom NFL about it and eventually people will go oh yeah
58:45you know what that is a little too risky why would I do that and I can take all these other guys
58:52that are going to contribute from week one theoretically and you know my good friend Scott Bachman always says you know football
58:59is hard enough everyone's going to get hurt why the hell are you taking guys that are hurt before we start and
59:05you know what it's a good point it's not it's a good point it's not a great point because sometimes it's not
59:12and you know sometimes they just fall to the right spot and Rasheed Rice look Rasheed Rice was suspended but he was
59:19also coming off season ending knee injury which happened in week four Malik Nabors coming off season ending knee injury which happened
59:25in week four Rice's injury wasn't as bad and he again he was suspended he had even more time to rest but
59:32when he came back he was an absolute league winner so I think if you reach for him then it's terrible you
59:39have to feel great about it I think in a shallower league it's easier to get away with right because you can
59:45find players to plug in more easily while you wait for Malik Nabors to be himself to be great or even to
59:52come back and play but I think I've been a I have been pretty much don't draft guys coming off injuries but
59:59you know how it's you know how like the industry just sort of adapts and adjusts but maybe overcorrects sometimes and I
60:05think that might be happening with we fall in love with talent and forget to we always want to when we see
60:12extraordinary talent I think it's the fan in all of us that wants to automatically think that things are going to be
60:19okay and I think more often than not they're not and I think sometimes that's a hard truth that we just don't
60:25want to you know have that moment where we have that realization of it and it is to me it's all about
60:32the investment you have to make look if he's the 50th wide receiver off the board yeah sure I'll take a flyer
60:39three four turn three four turn in a 12 team league would you take like neighbors there oh no I'm not touching
60:45him on the first 36 guys because there's 36 guys that I can find they're going to play more than him this
60:52year and that's where I'm starting that's my starting point I'm around later with him me too see I understand being around
60:59later with him but if you're picking late you're not getting him at the five six turn right so that's your chance
61:05and this might sound this might sound this is going to sound really bad I'm going to say it anyway I'm sure
61:12you guys play in different types of leagues where you're playing against like great fantasy players and you play in some leagues
61:19where you know you're going to do pretty well because you're playing against casual fantasy players I think if you're playing one
61:25of those casual leagues I think you can be a little riskier with guys like Malik Neighbors take them a little bit
61:32earlier well sure I mean that's why we always say know your league and know what happens you know if there's a
61:39history there and obviously who you're playing with matters but at the same time you know when you're talking about you know
61:45just the two guys that Joe mentioned Terry McLaurin's in such a great spot this year if nobody else is at it
61:52if Jaden Daniel stays healthy but that's not worrying about his knees right now DJ Moore is going to a situation where
61:59he could be the next version of what Stefan Diggs was with Josh Allen and there's no health risk like obviously if
62:05Malik Neighbors is healthy nobody's questioning it even with John Harbaugh's history and maybe Neighbors didn't finish last year like we would
62:12have hoped because he only had really one good game of the three healthy ones that he played Jackson Dart they're going
62:19to run the ball all these things all these questions but like the talent would clearly put him in a spot where
62:25you're like I'm willing to gamble this it's why we've chased Garrett Wilson for the last couple of years because of the
62:32talent you see what he's capable of doing it's why we chase Chris Olave they ain't Malik Neighbors they're not Malik Neighbors
62:38but at the same time when you're talking health that has to be considered clearly we are screaming uphill upstream whatever you
62:45want to say because nobody is paying attention to it based on the early ADP that we're seeing you know Joe's seeing
62:52wide receiver 10 I haven't seen really anything later than wide receiver 15 and still going in round 3 no matter what
62:58we're telling people right now they're still seeing that name and drafting that player we'll see what happens when pup list non-pup
63:05list health non-health wherever he comes out you know if he had that softball video show up again this week nobody would
63:12be drafting that is absolutely in people's minds the people who are low on neighbors are absolutely thinking about that right but
63:18that's also video from a month ago and this is a video happening in late July by late August we don't know
63:25what he's going to be doing if he's full go in practice two weeks before the season and every report says it
63:32looks like the old Malik neighbors you're not even going to get him at the 3-4 turn somebody in every draft will
63:38reach for him that is knowing what he's capable of doing because before this knee injury he was already established as one
63:45of the best athletic talents in the National Football League at wide receiver and certainly would be in a position no matter
63:52who the offensive coordinator is to get a bunch of targets because of just how damn good he is so I think
63:58it's great that we're having this conversation now this is the situation now I don't even think it stays this way no
64:05matter what if he's not practicing a month from now he's going to fall even farther in drafts yeah and yeah if
64:12he starts moving back up I'll be back out on the league neighbors so the fun dance will continue okay I wanted
64:18to do a running back versus wide receiver segment we got about five minutes for it so we'll go quickly here if
64:25I can find it in my notes sorry here we go running back versus wide receivers oh by the way Joe I
64:32have not and probably won't draft Harold Fanning in any leagues right running backs versus wide receivers yeah we ignored the whole
64:38Harold Fanning conversation yeah but it's a great call he shouldn't be good tight end five off the board okay well there
64:45you go no I don't mind him being around there monken's track record with tight ends and the lack of established guys
64:52in Cleveland is too big to ignore yeah so Deshaun Watson's history with tight ends and the two rookies are going to
64:58be much better than the crap that he had last year with running backs running backs both of them running backs versus
65:05wide receivers do you have a Harold Fanning run at him a Harold Fanning what we're about to play one of your
65:12games and is Harold Fanning a player that we're going to talk about well the game is running back versus wide receivers
65:18so I'll let you probably not it's a hard no Dave it's a hard no B.
65:23John Robinson versus Jabbar Chase you each have at most 20 seconds to make your case who you take in Jamie B.
65:30John or Chase B. John taking B. John too but it's like Chase is third for me so yeah exact same boat
65:36as Joe does it change in a three receiver league no no no okay Saquon Barkley versus Drake London I'll take I'll
65:43take Drake I'll take Drake London we're talking full PPR obviously because it's no brainer otherwise it's a no brainer Barkley and
65:50you're saying half PPR it's Barkley half not it's definitely Saquon Barkley over Drake London half PPR I'll still take London I
65:56think I'm I think I'm gonna take Barkley over London even in full PPR okay sounds sounds crazy but I'm a little
66:03worried about London's efficiency if Tua's the quarterback and next we have Arizona Arizona Arizona Arizona rookie running back Jeremiah love Jeremiah
66:10love or if people watching you what you know happened before the show and the controversy over that little sound drop they'd
66:16be just shocked I think I'm gonna play it again but instead everybody's wondering what the they're rewinding to try and hear
66:23what they just heard because they've never heard it before I'm gonna make it louder here we go if you could tell
66:30me in the chat what the love is from then I'd love to never hear that again you win a prize Jeremiah
66:36love versus t higgins this upside versus safety I'll take t i have a safe way to go but i'll tell you
66:43with with love and Travis etn or travis hn versus lad mckonkey who you taking is this like a three person battle
66:50etn versus hn versus mckonkey it's lad for me lad for me too yeah three for three another sweep on that one
66:56it's close though how about former lion versus current lion david montgomery or jameson williams it's already been refuted by the person
67:03who was supposedly reporting it okay that's great because the coaching staff clearly did not love witty marks in i leverage situations
67:10last year and i doubt that's changing after they acquired my it was you're referring to the jane slater report that somebody
67:16i think misquoted so it was like something aggregated from something she said and she i got swift a little higher no
67:23look at you yeah look at me very important i don't know if he's still in the chat but we got this
67:30about 33 minutes ago scott fish said hi all great crew today waiting for my flight to the fantasy football expo which
67:36joe is also going to be attending but joe and scott have another thing in common they are both going to be
67:43in the fft open this year so joe is going to have the joe piece of pia division if you want to
67:50play fantasy football against joe that will be i think august 3rd i know we have a will be putting those spots
67:56up to be had and scott fish joe pisa pia and so many big names from the fantasy industry are going to
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