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2:20Can you believe this? I had no idea. It's time to dominate your fantasy league.
2:25Off to the races, and he stays on his feet.
2:28He's just gonna go the distance. Now, here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie, and Heath.
2:33Welcome to the show, and happy Friday, everybody. Start or sit for six NFC home games, including the Giants hosting the Saints, Chicago, at Atlanta.
2:41We're hoping that the two starting quarterbacks are ready to go for this game.
2:46Carolina at Philadelphia. We know one of the starting quarterbacks would not be there.
2:50We did a bonus podcast on Jalen Hurts yesterday, and we really hope that he gets better soon.
2:56Arizona's at the Rams. Washington's at San Francisco. Do we like Terry McLaurin this week?
3:01And Dallas is at Green Bay on Sunday night.
3:04I'm gonna give the listeners and viewers a peek behind the curtain.
3:08Dave, good morning to you. What's up? When that game went to overtime last night, I was really mad.
3:14I didn't want to watch any more of that game.
3:17It had nothing to do with fantasy. I was over that game, and I just didn't want to watch it anymore.
3:24I was excited because it meant that there were more opportunities for some guys to get stats.
3:30Unfortunately, none of the guys who I used in fantasy got any of said stats.
3:35So, yeah. There is such a major problem at quarterback for Denver.
3:39May I give a stat? Let's kick it off with maybe the most damning stat that I've ever seen a quarterback have.
3:46And it came from our own researcher, Doug Clawson.
3:49Oh, I was gonna... This is great. Okay, go ahead.
3:52Go ahead. There are 701 qualified quarterback seasons through six games in the past 20 years.
3:57Bo Nix ranks 701st out of 701 in average pass length.
4:014.9 ADOT. Oh, that's not... No, 4.9 ADOT per attempt, not per target.
4:054.9 ADOT per attempt. And in the second half, his average pass was thrown behind the line of scrimmage.
4:11Oh, man. Yeah, he threw for, what, 107 yards.
4:14Good morning, Jamie. Good morning. Let me... Okay, here are a couple more stats from Douglas Clawson from CBS Sports Research.
4:21The Broncos averaged 2.9 yards per play in yesterday's win.
4:24The fewest in 318 games in Sean Payton's head coaching career, including the playoffs.
4:29Their 168 total yards was their fewest in a win since John Elway's first career start in 1983.
4:35And Bo Nix is averaging 5.6 yards per attempt.
4:38That's the worst in the NFL. He has... This is amazing.
4:41He has a 13-3 career record when he averages six or fewer yards per attempt.
4:46That is the best all-time with a minimum of 15 starts.
4:50Again, 13-3 when he averages six yards per attempt or worse.
4:53All other active quarterbacks have a 283 winning percentage in starts with six yards per attempt or less.
4:59And he's 13-3. All right, so let's cut to the chase.
5:03Jamie, cut... Should we keep... Or should we keep or cut Jalen Waddell?
5:07And are there any other fantasy takeaways from this game, which doesn't have a lot of fantasy relevant players?
5:13I would think that in a 12-team league, if you saw Jalen Waddell on waivers, you'd probably pick him up.
5:19So, if you can hold him, hold him. You know, I don't think this is an easy fix because this is...
5:26You know, Bo Nix playing scared and tentative and clearly it's not Davis Webb.
5:31It's the quarterback. So, Sean Payton taking over play calling duties isn't going to fix things.
5:36The hope would be, and it's probably going to be a few times that this happens, is that they're just getting blown
5:43out early and he has to throw the ball and push the ball down the field a little bit.
5:49And then we get some opportunities for Jalen Waddell.
5:52Because clearly we have at least one game of Waddell getting hyper-targeted and being successful.
5:57So, the potential is there. But it's hard when you see the sample size of what this is, what this quarterback is, what this offense is.
6:06And, you know, how much of it is still just a byproduct of the ankle injury and he's afraid to be who he could be.
6:14He's never going to be great. But he obviously has been better than this.
6:18So, I think just looking at it as you can't start Waddell anytime soon.
6:23You know, we're still in bi-week hell. It's, you know, the start of it, not the middle of it.
6:29So, you're going to have some tough calls to make when it comes to your roster.
6:34I think, you know, we got off to a great start with RJ Harvey and you got lucky with the touchdown.
6:41But, you know, they went away from that, throwing him the ball.
6:45And then Dobbins is going to kind of just hover in this low-end RB2 flex range.
6:50You know, again, another touchdown, another situation where a touchdown saved him.
6:54But just let's keep in mind, Jonah Coleman's return is coming.
6:58So, it's going to get messy even there. So, it just feels as if Denver is going to be one of these
7:05lost offenses that you just can't say, okay, they have this player or these players.
7:10It's probably a situation to avoid most weeks if you can.
7:13But, to your point, what happens when they face high-powered offenses and Bo Nix has to throw?
7:19And you can make the argument that he needed to throw in the second half on Thursday.
7:24Just did the little dink and dunk routine. It's Arizona, it's Kansas City, it's Carolina.
7:29Their next three games before the bye. Maybe some of those game scripts will be favorable where they've got no choice but to let Bo let it rip.
7:38But, Scott Turner, this was the first thing I asked Scott Turner about on Wednesday.
7:43And he thinks Bo Nix is just overthinking things.
7:46And if he just, like, calms down and just does what a play is designed to do, he'll be able to operate
7:53and be a much more effective quarterback, at least throwing downfield.
7:57Yeah, I mean, that's certainly possible. Just to your point about high-powered offenses, he threw 42 passes against San Francisco.
8:03It was terrible. Yeah, but he threw 28 against the Chiefs.
8:07He threw 31 against Jacksonville. He threw 34 against the Rams.
8:11And, yes, he was terrible against San Francisco. Sure.
8:14He's only had one game with more than 214 passing guys.
8:17He's probably the worst quarterback in football right now.
8:20But we know he does have a history of being better.
8:24So, hopefully, things change. It's tough to trust anyone on the Broncos.
8:28I will say a good thing for J.K. Dobbins.
8:30He has two to three targets in four straight games.
8:34So, he's just giving you something in the passing game.
8:37It's not like Emmanuel Wilson last night. Quarterback's throwing in his running back.
8:41Yeah. R.J. Harvey led the team in receiving last night.
8:44So, there's that. 31 yards. 31 yards and three catches.
8:48He was started in 24% of leagues. Dobbins in 46% of leagues.
8:52We'll see what the future holds for Emmanuel Wilson.
8:55It's not like he was a bad player necessarily last night.
8:58It's just the game script was terrible. They're not usually trailing by two scores in the second half.
9:04And he was off the field for much of it.
9:07Helani was in the kind of hurry-up offense. And he got the touchdown.
9:11But, hopefully, Charbonnet has to come back next week.
9:14If he doesn't come back next week, he's out for the season.
9:18He needs to be activated next week. They could activate him and then make him inactive if he's not ready.
9:25There's a difference between the two. Helani played all but four snaps in the fourth quarter in overtime.
9:3130 of 34. There were 34 snaps. He played all but four of them.
9:35So, Wilson definitely got game scripted out. And then Velas Jones became a thing.
9:40It was actually smart of the Seahawks to find some fresh legs for the short week.
9:45But, if we had known that Velas Jones was going to even play a little bit and get, what do you have, four carries?
9:53Like, we might have been a little bit more squeamish on Emmanuel Wilson being aggressive with him.
9:58At least I was. I had him as a top 15 running back.
10:03That went to hell. Yeah. All right. And Jackson Smith and Jigba is pretty good.
10:07He's good. I guess people... Sam Donald is not.
10:10There's going to be some talk about Drew Locke, I think.
10:14I mean... It could be probably a little hasty, but those two interceptions...
10:18Oh, for Seattle benching him? Did they think about it?
10:21From the chat, I think there will be fan chatter about it.
10:25Right. Oh, they're not benching Sam Donald. I don't think they are now.
10:30I think Kirk Herbstreit actually had a very good game last night.
10:33He made some very good points, and he talked about how Torrey Horton ran a bad route on that interception in the
10:41fourth quarter, which didn't end up costing them. There's no excuse for the interception in overtime.
10:46And he didn't take Darnold completely off the hook for that interception.
10:50It was a bad decision. But it was a bad route by Torrey Horton, who was mad at himself on the sideline afterward.
10:57But he's... Darnold's struggling again with typical offensive line woes.
11:00Yeah. And now the Chiefs. Chiefs next week is going to be tough for him.
11:05And then after that, it's the Bears, it's the Cardinals, it's the Raiders.
11:10So things will lighten up. Yeah. Okay. All right.
11:12That's it for Thursday Night Football. Is this where I do the theme?
11:17Do we do the theme on Fridays? I forget.
11:20I don't remember. I don't remember. No, no, no, no, no, no.
11:24No. Sunday morning, 8.30 to 9.30 a.m. As we get you ready for the London game with the Jaguars.
11:30Hosting the Texans should be a good one. And 8.30 to 9 a.m.
11:34On YouTube.com slash Fantasy Football today. And then just a slight programming change for this week.
11:39Instead of noon to 1 Eastern, we'll be back at 12.30 to 1 Eastern.
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11:48YouTube.com slash Fantasy Football today. News and notes. All right.
11:51We expect Michael Penix. Are you guys still confident that Caleb Williams is going to start for the Bears?
11:57Yes. I'm confident he's going to start. I didn't like hearing what he had to say about his hamstring, though.
12:04He said he reached top speed. You know, that he ran like super fast, basically.
12:08And he feels like comfortable running. But yeah, it was a serious hamstring injury.
12:13So we'll see what happens when he's out on the field.
12:17Jalen Hurts. We know he's got the blood clot in his calf.
12:20And we don't know a timeline, but it could be really long time.
12:25It could be short. There's no timetable. Let's put it that way.
12:29Lamar Jackson missed practice. He still could play. We'll see if he gets into practice today.
12:34Travion Henderson was limited in practice. Jamie, we talked about this game yesterday.
12:38I guess it's starting to look pretty good for Travion Henderson.
12:42Would you agree with that? And what are you going to do with Ramondre's ranking?
12:46I'm still going to start Ramondre. Still going to, you know, have a lot of confidence in him.
12:52I would not start Henderson just with the risk of potential re-injury or just limited workload.
12:58But it just lowers the ceiling for Ramondre. Okay.
13:00Is he going to be in your top 15?
13:03He'll be close. All right. And other running back news.
13:07Dylan Sampson was limited. Quinshawn Judkins missed practice. So, Dave, who would you – if Samson starts, who's going to be your highest-ranked Browns running back?
13:15I'm sorry. If he plays, who's going to be your highest-ranked Browns running back?
13:20Samson. Okay. Ja'Cory Krosky-Meritt missed practice with a groin injury.
13:23Now, they play on Monday, so that was their first practice.
13:26He dealt with the groin injury last week in practice, but I believe he was limited.
13:32But I know a lot of people have been dropping Rashad White.
13:36Austin Eckler barely played last week. Maybe you want to pick up White, see what happens here with this groin injury.
13:42They got Monday night game at San Francisco. Tajay Spears mispracticed with a knee issue.
13:47If he were out, Jamie, would that dramatically affect Tony Pollard's ranking?
13:51I think Pollard was around 20th or so. So, Pollard's two best games so far this season came when Tajay was dealing
13:58with that ankle injury or foot injury, whatever it was.
14:02And, you know, that's where he saw a little bit of a spike in the passing game.
14:07So, look, any absence for any backfield is going to help.
14:11But we're sitting here talking about Dylan Sampson and Damian Pierce.
14:14And so, you know, Pollard's track record and resume, obviously much better.
14:18So, not the most difficult of matchups against the Colts.
14:21So, he might bump up a couple spots. Saquon Barkley mispracticed.
14:25Now, yesterday we did our bonus pod about Jalen Hurts.
14:28And at that point, I had seen a report that said Devontae Smith was not seen at the beginning of practice.
14:35However, Saquon Barkley mispracticed. Devontae Smith did get in a limited session.
14:39We'll talk about that shortly. Jeremiah Love mispracticed again.
14:42If he's out this week, well, we'll talk about this game.
14:46But, Dave, real quick, where would you have Tyler Algier at the Rams?
14:50At minimum, RB21 in full PPR. I still think he'll share.
14:53I think we'll see Bam Knight play a little bit.
14:57But I would imagine Algier will continue to handle all the passing downs, the goal line stuff, and split the rushing workload.
15:04Not that there's going to be a lot of rushing.
15:07I think the Rams can get on top of the Cardinals here pretty easily and force a pass-heavy game for Arizona.
15:14And that should help Algier get in the neighborhood of three, four catches.
15:18Maybe break a couple of plays for more than a couple of yards and be serviceable this week.
15:24Tom, a non-guy mispracticed. DeAndre Swift practiced in full.
15:27Rico Dowdle practiced in full. He's probably going to play this week.
15:31Sean Tucker did get in a limited session, so that's good news for him.
15:35Alvin Kamara. What about Dre Tucker? Nope. It's just Sean today.
15:39What about Chris Tucker? Chris Tucker? Do you understand the words that are coming out of my mouth?
15:45I said Sean Tucker. Get that Chris Tucker joke.
15:48I got it. Everybody gets it. And Ashton Gentry is getting healthier.
15:52All right, Tank Dell did not make the trip to London.
15:55DJ Moore mispracticed. We're not expecting him. Josh Palmer had a non-contact jersey on.
16:00He might come back this week. Stefan Diggs mispracticed.
16:03Josh Downs. Oh, did he get back in practice yesterday with Josh Downs?
16:07I think he did. I'll try. I think he did as well.
16:11All right. Yeah, check for. CeeDee Lamb's good. Jalen Coker's good.
16:14Devontae Smith was limited. He's going to try to play.
16:18He wants to play. We'll see what happens with Devontae Smith.
16:21Would he be in the top 24 if he plays?
16:24Yes. Okay. And if you want to maybe, if you're in a deep league and you want to stat, I can't say
16:32this with a straight face, but Demarcus Robinson for the 49ers, he could be back maybe next week.
16:37I might. If you're looking at that, if you're going that route, I might go Christian Kirk.
16:43Had his second practice since joining the 49ers because he got hurt in their first practice of training camp.
16:49Kyle Shanahan was actually pretty positive about Kirk. So I think there's more appeal for him.
16:54Nice. Full practice for Josh Downs on Thursday. Jamie, I have no idea what the answer to this question is in the chat.
17:02Has Dan ever seen Rush out? Oh, well, we got a new one.
17:06All right. I'm going to say no. Yeah, I'm also going to say no.
17:11No, you have to say yes. No, I don't have to say yes.
17:15But yeah, hopefully we're not both wrong. All right.
17:18Remind me, Sam, our producer, remind me to ask.
17:21Other stuff in practice. Rashad Bateman's been missing practice.
17:24Zay Flowers was added to the injury report with a toe injury.
17:28I'm sure we expect him to play. Chris Olave's been out with an illness.
17:32Guys with illnesses this early in the week usually play.
17:35Mike Evans. Just on the Ravens. Jacoby Lane's been practicing in full so they could activate him this week.
17:42And AJ Brown was limited. And we just don't know.
17:45AJ Brown's status is up in the air. And maybe McConkie and Quentin Johnson get back this week.
17:51Darren Waller was limited. Offensive line injuries you need to know about.
17:55Not expecting Will Campbell this week, although I think he was at practice yesterday.
17:59And both Giants' offensive tackles are on the injury report.
18:02If I had to guess, I would say the left tackle plays and the right tackle doesn't.
18:08That's a problem if there's no Andrew Thomas. We can talk about it when we get to that game.
18:14It's a problem for the right if the Jermaine Illuminor is out too.
18:18And then, you know, Dallas' defense might be getting a little health.
18:22It is going to be getting healthier this week.
18:25I'm curious to see what that unit looks like.
18:28We still love the Packers' offense, though. And let's end it there.
18:32Okay. Taking a break and coming back with one question for each game on Fantasy Football today.
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21:39We've got six games to talk about today, and I feel like one of the themes is a matchup where one team
21:47has a lot of tough calls and the other team is super simple.
21:51For like Chicago and Atlanta, or Arizona and the Rams, and maybe Carolina and Philadelphia, now with the state of Philadelphia, and Washington at San Francisco.
21:59But this first game is not like that. New Orleans at the Giants.
22:03One question for this game. Jamie, can you trust a running back in this game?
22:08They both on paper have great matchups. I'm going to trust Cam Scadaboo.
22:13I'm going to be sketchy a little bit on the Saints, but Scadaboo's still a must-tar guy.
22:18Oh, okay. The Giants have one rushing touchdown this season, but the Saints give up the most fantasy points to running backs.
22:25Chicago's at Atlanta. Dave, what's your approach for the Bears passing game this week?
22:30I would tread lightly, especially if it's Caleb Williams at not 100% back under center.
22:35We don't know what that looks like. We do know what it looks like when Caleb Williams does play, though.
22:41We've seen two games of that, and the receiver targets are kind of all over the place, unless you're Khalif Raymond.
22:48I don't have any of them as top 24 guys, I don't believe.
22:52So flexes? Yes. For Burden and Odunze, sure, they're flexes.
22:55But Khalif Raymond might be a flex, too. I hope not.
22:59Carolina at Philadelphia. Jamie, starter sit Bryce Young. Start.
23:02It's a challenging matchup, but he's been 25-plus points in three or four games this season and gets Coker back.
23:08So I know Philly's defense has been traditionally great under Vic Fangio, but we've seen some leaky performances so far this season.
23:16So I would still start him. He's still a top-12 quarterback.
23:19Two of the last three quarterbacks to take on the Eagles have had at least 25 fantasy points.
23:25It's true. One of them was Case Keenum. I still don't feel like this is a good matchup.
23:31The Eagles are 20th against quarterbacks. I think we respect them, as Jamie was kind of alluding to.
23:37We respect them more as a defense than what that number would indicate.
23:41Yeah, it's just you also got to respect Bryce Young.
23:44You got to respect the whole Panthers offense, and he's getting back Jalen Coker.
23:49It sounds like he's getting back his right tackle.
23:52And that Philadelphia offense is, I don't know how effective they're going to be with Tanner McKee.
23:57Well, is that bad for Bryce Young? I think that's bad for Bryce Young.
24:02I just think Carolina's kind of feeling themselves, and maybe in the late second half, they do go to a more run-heavy
24:09approach, but I think that Bryce Young will be able to find some numbers here.
24:14So now I don't care the matchup. Now the Panthers are three-and-a-half-point favorites.
24:18They started as like one-and-a-half-point dogs, then got to one-to-one-and-a-half-point favorites, now three-and-a-half with the Jalen Hurts.
24:24I thought John Breach's theory was going to get, or not theory, his research was going to get tested here, but not so much now.
24:32You never know. I mean, the Eagles, they're capable of winning a game.
24:36They really should have beat the Jaguars last week, I know, with Hurts, but without a lot of guys.
24:42Anyway, Arizona's at the Rams. Dave, are you starting any Cardinals other than Trey McBride?
24:47I'm going to start Michael Wilson. I would view Jacoby as a bi-week quarterback, and we already talked about it.
24:54If there's no Jeremiah Love, I'd be interested in Tyler Algier as a volume-based low-end RB2.
24:59Kendrick Bourne to be starting three-receiver leagues. Yeah, that's a good one too, yes.
25:03I don't know why I forgot about that. Kendrick Bourne or a Bears receiver?
25:08I've got Bourne behind Burden and Odunze for now.
25:11All of them are in the top 36. What did you say, Jamie?
25:15Bears? Both Bears guys. Okay. Washington is at San Francisco.
25:18Yesterday we talked about the Steelers receivers, the Titans receivers, the Colts receivers.
25:23All of them are kind of tough calls, but maybe good matchups, that kind of stuff.
25:28What about Terry McLaurin, Jamie, versus Steelers, Titans, and Colts receivers?
25:31McLaurin is ahead of all of them. His ranking will go down if Stephon digs place, but I think it was encouraging
25:38the way he performed despite some of the struggles for Jaden Daniels last week given the fact that he wasn't 100%.
25:45So a little bit more time to rest this week with the Monday night game, probably chasing points against the 49ers.
25:52I think it's worth using him as a number two receiver given the injuries and, more importantly, the teams that are on a bye this week.
26:01Yeah, and a Niners defense might be just pretty damn good.
26:04They're seventh best against wide receivers. We will see.
26:07And finally, Dallas at Green Bay. It was kind of tough to come up with one for this, Dave.
26:13Starter sit Tucker Craft. You got the music ready?
26:16I think you start Tucker Craft. He's got a good...
26:19I want to start everybody in this game. I think it's going to be high scoring.
26:25I don't think there's going to be a lot of defense being played.
26:29So if you've got somebody who's a Packer or a Cowboy, suit them up, put them in.
26:34The way I thought about Tucker Craft, because I feel like I'm going to get a lot of Tucker Craft questions this weekend.
26:42Bowers, McBride, Likely, and Kittle. Definitely ahead of Tucker Craft.
26:45Because Tucker Craft, target share... In fact, looking... And this is the last game we're going to talk about.
26:51But if you look at the Green Bay receivers and their target shares, and you had a graphic that had all their
26:58target shares for five games, Watson, Golden, Kraft next to each other, what you would see is that Matthew Golden has been the most consistent by far.
27:07He has had a 20% or target share of better in all five games.
27:12Christian Watson's been 20%, 38%, just under 20%, 10%, 25.8%.
27:15Tucker Craft, his target share has been... This is not good.
27:1915%, 10%, 16%, 23%, 16%. Only one game above technically 16.1% target share for Tucker Craft.
27:24That's an alarming stat. But I named those four tight ends that are the consensus top four.
27:29Bowers, McBride, Likely, Kittle. You got it. Would you agree there's no tight end other than those four that has more upside this week than Tucker Craft?
27:38No, I wouldn't agree. Who would you put there?
27:41Tyler Warren still belongs in that conversation against Tennessee.
27:44If there's no Rasheed Rice, Kelsey belongs in that conversation.
27:47Brenton should be in that full PPR. Bowers, McBride, Likely, Kittle.
27:51Okay, I didn't catch Likely's in here. Yeah. Craft is a good start.
27:55I view him as more of like a middle of the pack and maybe like a little more...
28:01I didn't say stardom over Warren. I just said more upside.
28:05Upside? No, I don't agree. This is the game you want to attach yourself to.
28:09I would agree with the more upside. But yes, those are the four.
28:14Okay. But you guys do have Tyler Warren ahead.
28:17Jamie has Juwan Johnson ahead of Tucker Craft. Dave also has Juwan Johnson and Travis Kelsey.
28:22But that's like Kelsey, Juwan Johnson, Tucker Craft are back-to-back-to-back, basically.
28:25So, Kraft, you know, the targets haven't really been there consistently, but the opportunity is great and we want as many players as we can in that game.
28:34And Dave, I got a new rule. Oh, you're going to ruin the game of the week for me because that was
28:42clearly going to be the game of the week.
28:45I'm going to pick a new game of the week.
28:48And that's fine. I can pivot. I can be flexible.
28:51Can you change the song then to, this is the second best game of the week, yeah.
28:57Yes, just give me a few minutes. I have to figure out what it's going to be.
29:02New Orleans is at... I mean, I'll tell you what it's going to be.
29:07No. No, you're just going to. Well, I'm not allowed to.
29:10Okay. You are not. New Orleans is at the Giants.
29:14Oh, this... I definitely have the stat of the week.
29:17Stat of the game for Saints-Giants. All right, Jamie, this one's for you because Dave already read it and he hates it.
29:24If you look at all of the NFL teams in alphabetical order, New Orleans and New York Giants are next to each
29:31other and they are facing each other. Can you name the other matchup this week between teams that are next to each other alphabetically?
29:39Next to each other alphabetically. Yeah, and not by mascot, but by location.
29:43By location? Well, you know, by state city. Dave, can you...
29:47If I think about it, do I have to think about it?
29:51It's not the Colts and the Titans. It's not the 49ers and the Commanders.
29:55It's in the AFC. It's in the AFC. It's definitely not the game of the week.
30:00It is the Chiefs, the Kansas City Chiefs and the Los Angeles Chargers.
30:05Nice. What a stat. Oh, great. And then the other stat of the game is...
30:09Chargers get to nod over the Rams because their team name starts with a C.
30:14Yeah. What about Patriots-Jets? New England Patriots, New York Jets.
30:18No, because New Orleans is after New England. Yeah.
30:21And the Jets are behind the Giants if we're playing the...
30:24Yeah. See, now you're ruining it, Adam, because you're taking the team's nickname and implying that that's part of the order that they're in.
30:32Well, how do we know for sure that the Giants are ahead of the Jets?
30:37Because who would line up first alphabetically? Dave Richard or Dave Ratchard?
30:41You have to go to those next steps. You said it was by the city name, not by the team mascot.
30:48But you have to use the... Okay. The other stat of the game is that the Saints give up the most fantasy points to running backs.
30:56But I said the Giants only have one rushing touchdown this season and they've got five carries from the five-yard line or closer.
31:03Skadaboo has three of them. Najee has two of them.
31:07Najee got stuffed at the one-yard line last week.
31:10Oh, man. Jamie, you said Skadaboo is a must-start.
31:13I want to press you on that because he's been pretty bad.
31:16I mean, in the context of what we're looking at this week, yeah, he's a must-start guy.
31:22So you got to have a pretty loaded roster to bench Skadaboo.
31:26But which, listen, some people have Chuba Hubbard and a great first-round pick and they're only starting two running backs.
31:32Or Jalen Warren and a great first-round pick and they're starting two running backs.
31:37But given the matchup, given what I think the Giants are going to try and do, I'm going to guess Cam Skadaboo
31:44is still going to get in the neighborhood of 18 total touches and I'm going to start.
31:50What's the argument for starting Woody Marks or Tony Pollard ahead of Cam Skadaboo?
31:54Hmm. Passing game. It's up to make with Marks because of the matchup.
31:58I mean, Pollard clearly is in a better spot if there's no TyJ Spears.
32:03So I can... I would agree. Yeah, if there's no TyJ Spears, I would agree.
32:08I would start Pollard over Skadaboo. I'll stop saying.
32:11I mean, you're in a situation where you drafted Cam Skadaboo.
32:14He's playing the Saints at home. Like... Yeah. We're talking about, I think, a pretty small sample size of people that can
32:22afford to bench him in 12-team leagues. 10-team leagues is a different story.
32:26Are you... If you've got Skadaboo, do you get a little shaky over the possibility that he loses work to Najee Harris, including near the goal line?
32:35Yes. He's got four fumbles in five games. Would it shock us if he weren't starting?
32:40I mean... But starting is one thing. Leading the team in carries and being in short yardage situations is another.
32:46And if he doesn't have those things, if they go full chargers with their running backs and everybody's playing a third of
32:53the time and it's somebody else at the goal line, we're having a very, very different conversation about Cam Skadaboo in four days from now.
33:02All right. Let's talk about Kendri Miller then. And this is another one.
33:06I don't even know what to expect. This was the first time that he's just completely...
33:11He's gotten so much more work than Alvin Kamara, basically.
33:14Ten carries last week. Kamara had three. When the two of them have had the opportunity.
33:19And I'm going back to last year with that.
33:22So do you trust Kendri Miller? How would you compare Kendri Miller to who would you say?
33:28Woody Marks and Damian Pierce, Jamie? Dave said that.
33:31Yeah, he's behind those guys. I think you're... This is a backfield that if you can avoid it, you avoid it.
33:38You know, people that are with 16... with 14s on a bye and injuries may not have that luxury.
33:44So you're looking for a flex play. He's still a touchdown dependent.
33:48Kamara should still be the one that leads the running backs in receptions.
33:52CJ Donaldson is going to be a factor to what degree will...
33:56I don't think ever know until the game unfolds.
33:59I'm going to look at last week and kind of chalk it up to Kamara dealing with a back injury.
34:05If you recall in week four, he left in the game and then came back in the game.
34:11And so I don't think he's 100% healthy. We are talking about a 31, 32-year-old.
34:16I forget how old he is, but early 30s.
34:19I'm a 11-year-old running back here. And this run game stinks.
34:23It's been terrible since week one. So my guess is Kellen Moore is trying to find some answer.
34:28And if Miller is going to be a little bit more successful on rushing down situations, it's obvious, you know, you talk
34:36to any NFL coach or personnel, you know, member of personnel staff, they don't want to be obvious.
34:41And Kendra Miller on the field is obvious. Alvin Kamara is not obvious.
34:46So we'll see how just the game unfolds. If they're playing with a lead, I think you'll see more Kendra Miller.
34:52If they're chasing points, I think you see more Alvin Kamara.
34:56Now that didn't play out last week, but that was against a defense that just is tough to overcome.
35:02And I'm sure Kamara's health factored into that. So at best, you're looking at flex options for both of these guys.
35:09I would lean slightly toward Miller just based on the health situation.
35:13I don't hate that one bit. Last week, it was CJ Donaldson that played the most.
35:18They were trailing. He's their third down guy. He's their best pass protector.
35:22And over the last two weeks, this is to your point, Jamie, about Kamara and his injury.
35:28Donaldson has started to get more carries. So this is another backfield.
35:32Avoiding it is probably a good idea, but they're starting to split this three ways.
35:37You'd almost rather that somebody is inactive. And if it's Kamara, then it's okay.
35:41Now we know Kendra Miller's the running downs guy.
35:44CJ Donaldson's the passing downs guy. It's probably not going to happen.
35:48Leaning Miller makes sense if you have to start one of these running.
35:52Yeah, and it's just, you know, last week, Ja'Cory Cross Kamara had 11 carries, 82 yards and a touchdown.
35:59The week before that against the Giants. The week before that, the Cardinals running back said over 100 yards and a touchdown rushing.
36:06Tony Pollard, the week before that, 17 carries for 74 yards.
36:10This is one of my favorite matchups for running backs, but not the best running backs to go with here.
36:16Now, we've talked a lot, you know, off the air, Dave, about Tyler Shuck and this matchup against this Giants defense.
36:23Now, who blitzes the most in the NFL? It's the Minnesota Vikings and they destroyed Tyler Shuck last week.
36:29Who actually blitzed more than them last week? It was the New York Giants.
36:34The Giants went blitz insane last week in the second half against Jaden Daniels and it worked.
36:39And you guys are very different on Tyler Shuck.
36:42This is someone we definitely need to talk about here.
36:45Jamie has them as a start. Dave would like to sit him.
36:49Dave, I'll give you the first word. It's not just last week with the Giants.
36:54This has been their MO ever since Brian Burns went down with an injury.
36:59They realized they can't get to the quarterback unless they blitz and they realized that they can really affect the game when they blitz a lot.
37:07And I thought their secondary took a step back in week five, but in week four and in week three.
37:14This is the game of the week. Yeah. The first place Giants and the Saints.
37:19It's a game of the week surprise, folks. It's the second best game of the week.
37:24Hey, and it's a terrible week on the NFL schedule and I didn't really have that many options.
37:30Your octaves went up there a little bit and that's saying something.
37:34I'm surprised you didn't pick Buffalo Las Vegas. I was going to kill that.
37:38Yeah, but there should be a lot of good fantasy production.
37:42This game's going to suck. This is a horrible slate.
37:45All right. No, but starter, starter set. I love how you sing the song and then you go, this game's going to suck.
37:52It's going to be close though. It's going to be close.
37:56Look, let's talk about shock for a second and I, maybe I was a little too harsh putting him at 17 earlier
38:03this week, but I still don't have him top 12.
38:06If you use them, I think you could expect in that neighborhood of 18 to 22 fantasy points.
38:12I hate the way that he's played really the last two weeks and you almost have to give him a pass for
38:19week five because he barely had the ball. The saints couldn't do anything with it against Minnesota, but you know, that's what the giants are going to do.
38:29If the giant secondary plays like they did last week in the rain against Washington and I know that the commanders didn't
38:36throw for a touchdown, but they had open guys all game long, then Chuck's going to have a good game.
38:42But if, if they do rebound and they do play better than Chuck's going to need volume just to get to that 18 point level.
38:50So I, I think I can find almost 15 quarterbacks that have that same type of floor, but a much higher ceiling.
38:57All right. And that's, that's why I've got Chuck where I have him.
39:02You like Chuck. Yeah, I think the ceiling is still definitely play four or five quarterbacks this season have gotten multiple touchdowns
39:09against the giants 10th and most fantasy points allowed to the position.
39:13Um, him struggling against Minnesota is not really something that I'm going to say.
39:17Okay, now he sucks because every quarterback struggles against Minnesota.
39:21Um, I think just looking at it, you know, Dave has the theory, from our conversation yesterday about this game on, on
39:28CBS sports network, that this is going to be a Jameis Winston game, which typically lends to a lot of throwing, which
39:35typically lends to the other quarterback throwing the ball a lot.
39:38And this is the guy who leads the NFL in past times, at least he did going into last week.
39:45So I'm expecting a lot of volume for Chuck.
39:48It has been too bad down. It has been two down fantasy games for him in a row.
39:54Week four, we know they got two rushing touchdowns from Alvin Kamara, which is not, uh, that's a rarity, uh, based on how this team operates.
40:02So I'm just going to chalk it up to bad game against Minnesota.
40:06Yes, this may not be the easiest of matchups based on how the giants are operating, but I don't think this is
40:14an indication of this is a team that's going to stop this team from being what they are from an identity standpoint.
40:21They can't run. They're going to throw. If Jameis is, I think Dave said the leader of the giants offense or the
40:28identity of the giants offense, I don't want to put words in your mouth, but however you phrase it, something like that.
40:35Um, then this is now going to be a shootout.
40:38And if that's a shootout, I'll take my chances with Tyler shock against giants.
40:43All right. So Tyler's the only quarterback, by the way, to have multiple touchdown, multiple passing touchdowns.
40:48Cause I don't think Chuck is running ever since he heard his hand.
40:53I think that's changed his game and it might be making him worse too because he's uncomfortable with it.
40:59Can't hand off with it. The only, there's only one quarterback this year that has been north of 20 fantasy points with multiple passing touchdowns against the giants.
41:08And it was Stafford. Yeah. And all right. So the, yeah, I mean, the weird thing is like the giants are ninth in defense, scoring defense right now.
41:17Um, they're ninth in yards per attempt allowed. They're actually eighth in yards per play allowed.
41:22They get a lot of in the game. We'll stop talking about the, this game in a bit here.
41:28It's been a while here, but Tyler, Tyler Shuck is definitely like Shucker.
41:33Well, first of all, Dave, you like Jameis better than Shuck as of now?
41:37Yes. And probably even, Oh, okay. I think I will still like Jameis if both of the tackles are out for, for the giants.
41:45And it's because I don't really trust the saints defense.
41:48I don't think that they're very good. No, they have a hard time getting to the quarterback, Jameis Winston or Jameis Winston or Kirk Cousins as well.
41:57We've done that since Tuesday, but go ahead. Winston or Cousins?
42:01I have Winston higher as of now. Cousins. Jameis or Lawrence?
42:04Jameis. That's what I struggle with right now. I have Lawrence higher.
42:08I like Shuck over Lawrence too. Jameis or Brissett?
42:11Jameis. Jameis and Shuck over Brissett. All right. Jameis is like a streamer or a low end starter.
42:17And then yeah, Shuck is one of the guys that they're very far apart on with again.
42:22Jamie. You list them as a start on NFL play action.
42:26Yeah, I did. I just it's for all the reasons Jamie said.
42:30I just think they're going to throw a lot and I like Tyler Shuck.
42:34And what I said on play action was what happens against Minnesota stays against Minnesota.
42:39I do not care at all about last week.
42:42And if they had to buy last week, we'd be starting him against the Giants.
42:47You know, it's just that the memory of last week is in people's heads.
42:52So we're not thinking at all about what happened against Atlanta.
42:55Oh, Atlanta. Well, I think Jamie had it right when, you know, Kamara getting those two goal line touchdowns was really weird.
43:02And I watched the tape yesterday against of his Atlanta game.
43:06And I thought he makes some big time throws.
43:09So, you know, I just I think he'll be fine.
43:12There's only one way to get away from him this week, to be honest, in my opinion.
43:18I understand Dave's theory on this, but if a lot of sits.
43:22Yeah. Oh, I mean, I don't even know if he's top 24 for a lot of his sets.
43:27There's also three major injuries in this game. And again, we have to move on, but both Giants offensive tackles are banged up right now.
43:36And Abdul Carter, their best pass rusher, and according to some metrics, one of the best pass rushers in football for the
43:43Giants has not practiced yet this week. So Friday is a very important practice report for the Giants.
43:49If Abdul Carter doesn't play, then I think you definitely get even more optimistic about and listen to what it's worth.
43:55Vegas is telling us something too, that they have the Saints at one and four favored in this game.
44:02Yeah. All right. Start Juwan Johnson, start Isaiah likely start Malik neighbors.
44:06We talked about Cam Scadaboo that leaves us with Devon Vale, Devon Vale or Terry McLaurin.
44:11Have them back to back. I go McLaurin. All right.
44:14Let's read some questions from the chat. Tyler Shuck, CJ Stroud or Kirk Cousins?
44:19Chuck. Cousins. Shuck or Lawrence? Chuck. Chuck. Winston or Rogers?
44:22Jameis. Rogers. Camara or Bill? Half PPR. Bill. Bill.
44:25Please pick two. Shuck, Jaden Daniels, Dak Prescott. You're sitting Shuck.
44:28I am sitting Shuck. Kendry Miller, Devon Vale, Xavier Worthy or Josh Downs in non PPR?
44:34Miller. I think it's just one. I thought you said two.
44:37Is it one or two? One. Vale. Neighbors over Abuka and Shucker Stroud.
44:41I have Stroud one spot higher. All right. And that's it for the Giants and the Saints.
44:47Giants. Do you guys want to start a DST?
44:50Sorry. Nope. Not particularly. Giants would be the one though if you're going to start one of them.
44:56Yeah. All right. Well, I'll always bank on the guy against Jameis.
45:00Yeah. But it's weird. It's like the Giants. I feel like their DST has actually been okay too.
45:05I don't buy their defense, but it hasn't been bad.
45:09All right. We'll take a break. Chicago and Atlanta.
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47:37Chicago's at Atlanta. You're sleeper of the game. I don't really necessarily believe this but I want to point it out.
47:44Michael Penix Jr. Is sixth in completion percentage second in yards per attempt sixth in passer rating.
47:49It goes Lamar Jackson, Brock Purdy, Jared Goff, Trevor Lawrence, Patrick Wilhomes and Michael Penix Jr.
47:54It in passer rating right now. He's playing well.
47:57He's just not throwing the ball that much. Caleb Williams or Tyler Shuck?
48:01Caleb. Caleb. Yep. Okay. So we like, uh, we like Caleb Williams enough.
48:06He's around eighth, ninth, 10th or so in the rankings and, uh, the Falcons are 24th against quarterbacks.
48:11Uh, this game has like a lot of must starts in terms of Swift is a must start.
48:17We're not expecting my non guy to play B.
48:20John London must starts. I guess that would be it for the must starts.
48:25Oh, um, if there are games that even have one must start.
48:29So that's saying something. If, uh, my non guy plays would Swift still be a must start?
48:34Yes. Mm-hmm. But at this point, we're not expecting a non guy to play.
48:39Okay. Dave gave us a little bit of a quick breakdown, I guess, of the bears receivers and, and love.
48:45I don't know if you even mentioned Loveland, but you called them flexes or targets in two games from Caleb Williams.
48:52Don't start Colson Loveland with confidence. So again, just hard to argue with the, the, the numbers, the, there was one game
48:59where they just dominated running the ball and there was another game against the Vikings in bad weather.
49:05Yeah, it's true. And that Loveland was open twice for big plays in that game, in that first game.
49:11And he didn't throw it to him and Loveland was open on the play.
49:16Caleb got hurt. Yeah, exactly. A walk in touchdown.
49:19Exactly. Um, all right. So I understand not starting Loveland, but most people are still stashing him, which I think is the right burden for me.
49:27I'm a little bit more optimistic. Uh, this, this Falcons defense is top 10 in terms of most fancy points allowed to opposing receivers.
49:35Dave's heard me say this stat a billion times already.
49:38So, uh, four games in a row where a pair of wide receivers on the same team have scored 11 or more PPR points.
49:46And that's the hope here. There's, there's nothing you could say with any certainty.
49:51It's going to be these two guys because Khalif Raymond has been a thing for two games this season.
49:57Ben Johnson has not given us any indication with any of the quarterbacks that this is somebody that he is going to
50:04give up more or less opportunities to. If you are going to hang your hat on something, it would probably be Odunze
50:11who has 16 targets in the last two games, but that's what two different quarterbacks.
50:16So I think you're just looking at it and saying, okay, what is Caleb going to do now?
50:22Maybe the hope is not running as much because the hamstrings are a problem.
50:26And maybe there's a little bit more on schedule.
50:29I don't think that's something that you could say with any certainty because that hasn't been Caleb's profile going back to his college days.
50:37That being said, you know, hopefully there's been some conversations with just, hey, try, try this, do this, you know, keep yourself healthy, et cetera.
50:45This is a team that does do a great job.
50:49And we've noted this time and time again, surprisingly getting pressure on the quarterback.
50:53So I'm sure Caleb's going to have to move a little bit and do some things that he's typically used to doing.
51:00So I'm going to hope that what I've seen since Caleb's injury, you've had a couple of good performances, not great for Burden.
51:08You've had one great performance for Odunze. I view Burden as a low end number two receiver, Odunze as a number three
51:15receiver, and Raymond still has a dart throw. I do not want to start Colson Lovell yet.
51:21Dave, starter said Kyle Pitts. That's it. I know he scored last week, so what?
51:25We know what he did in the other games.
51:28I don't think anything's really changed with his role or any other dynamic in the offense.
51:34Well, it was his first game with more than three targets, but it was still only about an 18% target share.
51:40Hopefully this game gets high scoring and Penix needs to throw more.
51:44He hasn't really been throwing that much. And then Jamie in this running back hell week, you know how it works.
51:51Brian Robinson Jr. has like three respectable games in a row.
51:55People start using him in a bye week, then he's terrible.
51:58Can we go back to him? How would you compare Brian Robinson Jr.
52:02to, let's say, Kendry Miller and Kamara? I'd probably still lean toward Miller, but that's the range.
52:08I think he's in the flex conversation. It's like you said, it's three productive games, two of which were touchdown dependent, one
52:15of which he scored three touchdowns in. So what are we expecting from him?
52:20He's not going to be heavily involved in the past game.
52:23That's just not who he is on this team.
52:26He's not going to get every goal line opportunity.
52:29Again, that's just not who he is on this team.
52:32So you're talking about a great, a best case scenario for him would probably be 10 carries, maybe a catch or two,
52:40and probably 40 to 50 yards rushing with the chance to score.
52:43So could they play with the lead against the leaky run defense?
52:47Sure. Absolutely. I think when you're, you're sort of, I mean, I have one team where I was, you know, crazy, crazy
52:55stuck at running back and he started, you know, so hopefully, hopefully he scores, but you just can't say it with any
53:02confidence that this is somebody you want to rely on.
53:05So definitely not a starter in the league unless you're just really maybe a starter in a 12 team league or large.
53:12Kendrick Miller ahead of him, Algier ahead of him, Blake Corum ahead of him.
53:17I would put Corum ahead of him this week just with the hope that he's getting some additional carries.
53:23I would start him over Algier unless love is out.
53:26Unless love is out. Okay. And just, it's also worth mentioning the bears are very thin on defense in the front seven coming into this game.
53:35Very thin. All right. We're chat questions on bears, Falcons, Loveland or Fannin.
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53:42Can you get fryer muth? If not, this is the, like the, come on with this question.
53:47Are you serious? Candy corn or Reese's peanut butter cups?
53:50That is like Josh Allen Loveland or Cam Ward.
53:53Loveland. I really love candy corn. No way. Not only does Dan like candy corn, he will go on a 15 minute
54:01dissertation about why candy corn shouldn't exist. I bet he has very strong feelings about candy corn.
54:06Let's not ask him that. Okay. Loveland, Friar Muth or Higby?
54:10You need a speed round for, for Dan to ask him the list of questions.
54:15Uh, I have Higby one spot ahead of Friar Muth.
54:18Oh, Dunze or Jeremy Bernard or Bill? Jeremy. If it's PPR.
54:21Yeah. Bernard Luther Burden or Braylon Allen half PPR Braylon Allen Loveland or Higby?
54:26Uh, Higby Luther Burden Luke, Luther Burden or Tucker craft craft I might go.
54:30I think I'd lean craft too. I would have to double check to make sure that's how the rankings have it.
54:37Luther Burden or Mecca Buka Burden. I'll take a Buka.
54:41I'm going to do some more burdens here. Luther Burden or Marshawn Lloyd?
54:45Uh, in non PPR I take Lloyd and everything else I take Burden.
54:49Yeah, I'm with you. Luther Burden or, um, how about DK Metcalf?
54:53Metcalf. I go Burden. Uh, how about Keon Coleman or Luther Burden or Khalil Shakir?
54:58Burden. Burden. All right. How about Carolina at Philadelphia?
55:01Let's go to our next game. And we've talked about Bryce Young.
55:05He is a start. He's top 12 for everyone.
55:08We get the updated rankings on Bryce Young. Sorry.
55:11He is 11th for Jamie, 6th for Dave, 6th for Dave, and 10th for he, 6th for Dave.
55:16Okay. Yeah. Start Chuba. Start McMillan. Jalen Coker. Uh, is he better than like McLaurin?
55:21And he's better than I think any receiver that we just talked about in the last three minutes.
55:27So you're expecting big things from this offense, Dave, obviously.
55:30Obviously, that there's a good offense. The protection's going to be even better.
55:35I think he's even getting his guard back. Damian Lewis.
55:38So the bye week was great for Carolina. Go out there and play against the defense.
55:43By the way, they're familiar with this type of defense.
55:46This is what the Panthers run, the same type of scheme, more or less.
55:51So Philadelphia's, I know they've got some good corners.
55:54I know their run defense is pretty good too.
55:57I think Bryce Young and the Panthers will just, I think they'll win time of possession.
56:02I think they'll get some good games out of their guys.
56:05The only concern is if you're watching on the screen is the number at the end there, 38.5 total points.
56:12Like they're not expecting this to be a high scoring game.
56:16Yeah. And the Panthers know that's landed towards Billy and I get all that, but sure it's, you never like to see anything under 40.
56:24This is the best defense that the Panthers have faced.
56:27I think, I mean, you could argue the Browns and they didn't do well against the Browns.
56:32So, and that was the game. Coker got hurt in, but McMillan was horrible and Bryce Young had his worst game.
56:39So like you have a miss and Philly's defense.
56:42I know they kind of fell apart at the end, but Philly's defense contained a really good Jacksonville offense last week.
56:49We can talk about implied team totals too. Adam knows that I've been tracking this on the side.
56:55It has not been a good year for implied team totals being accurate this year, but I will tell you that I
57:02do think that the number for Philadelphia is now 17 and a half.
57:06I don't know if they're getting to 17 and a half with Tanner McKee.
57:11I think Carolina will get more than the 21 that they're projected for.
57:15So do you like any Eagles? Right. Got it.
57:18Don Henley. Got it is good in PPR. I think he fits what McKee does best and what McKee does best is
57:25I think he can read coverage as well. And I think he can make good decisions and go through progressions quickly.
57:32I just don't think he's got the arm to attack downfield.
57:36And that's a problem. So if we're going to keep it to short area targets in Philly and they scheme that up, Goddard will be chief among them.
57:45You also have still two corners missing for Carolina.
57:48You know, they're both on IR. So hopefully that helps something if Smith plays.
57:52So he'll be a low end number two receiver.
57:55You can't consider him as expect him to be as productive as you would if this was, you know, Jalen Hurts and everything was perfect for Philly.
58:04And I think even if it was McKee with the, you know, the offensive line that we thought going into the season,
58:11you feel a little bit more confident. But there's a lot of moving parts right now.
58:16So just lower expectations for Smith if he plays.
58:19Do we have the word on Landon Dickerson, their garden in Philly?
58:23No, I haven't seen anything. Okay. If he does not play, that means four of their five starters from week one are
58:30not going to be on the field for them.
58:33And I think that's problematic for obvious reasons, even against Carolina.
58:37And Damian Pierce is a low end starter. I mean, he's going to get a lot of work.
58:43So hopefully he, uh, he falls in the end zone.
58:46I like him as the best running back on the Eagles, but I don't know if he's, he's not going to be alone.
58:53They're going to have somebody else in that backfield with them, jam.
58:57So I, I'm nervous about putting too much stock in him as a bi-week running back.
59:02It's fine. But Damian Pierce, Damian Pierce, a burden burden, burden, but I'd start Pierce over Hampton at this point.
59:09I would not, but we're talking about maybe like a poorly efficient touchdown list game for Damian Pierce is a reality.
59:16I think, you know, look, Carolina, they, they allow 5.4 yards per carry to running backs.
59:21That's the worst in the NFL. However, they haven't been nearly as bad since week one, week one when the bears destroyed them the next week.
59:29They were kind of bad against the Falcons guys, but then Quint shot Judkins 3.9 yards per carry.
59:35Jameer Gibbs 3.1 yards per carry. I'm not saying that's a bad matchup, but I don't know if it's as bad as it looks on paper.
59:44Uh, so Damian Pierce, gosh, there was a play where they tried to toss it to him to the outside.
59:50Yeah. He can't get the edge. Can't move. He just, he's not fast.
59:55Um, so, okay. Sorry. Officially if Devante Smith plays and we're not worried about him being on a snap count, where do you think you'll rank him?
60:03Around 20. Yeah. Right in that range for sure.
60:06He'd be somewhere near McLaurin. For me, McLaurin, Denzel Boston, and Abuka.
60:10But behind Coker? Behind Coker. Starter sit Darren Waller.
60:13That's it. Bi-week tight end. Yeah. I'm curious to see what happens to his route participation rate.
60:19Could go one of two ways. I could stay, it's been like high enough last couple games and he's coming off a
60:26bye and you know, getting into the swing of things or you could clearly look and see it hits.
60:32It went up when Jalen Coker got hurt against Cleveland and missed the game against Detroit.
60:37So could that route participation go back down for Darren Waller?
60:41And then it's at least on the table. I feel like he's there.
60:45Jake Ferguson. Hey, touchdown or bus guy. And you'd rather start Jake Ferguson in the game that he's in because it's point
60:52total in that game is like 137 compared to 38 half, whatever Jamie said for Carolina and Philly.
60:58Bryce Young or Tyler Shuck in the chat? Bryce.
61:01I'll take Shuck. Jalen Coker or Bejal Tootin? Coker.
61:04Coker and PPR. I think it's closer or not, but I might still lean Coker.
61:09Juwan Johnson or Dallas Goddard? Goddard. Goddard or Friermuth?
61:12Goddard. Goddard. Does that depend on Devante Smith's status?
61:15No. No. Young or Stroud? Yep. Young. Panthers D or Colts D?
61:18Colts. I'll take the Panthers. Panthers D or Jaguars D?
61:22Panthers. Panthers. Panthers or Texans? Texans. H-Town. Pierce? Damian Pierce or Tucker Craft?
61:26Half PPR. Craft. Agreed. Damian Pierce or Jeremy Bernard?
61:29Half PPR. Jeremy. Half is close, but I'd still go with Bernard.
61:33Let me do a few more Damian Pierce's. Damian Pierce, Jamie, you said you'd start him over Hampton.
61:39Dave? I'd start Hampton. I had both the Broncos running backs ahead of Pierce.
61:43I also had Emmanuel Wilson ahead of Pierce. Pierce.
61:46How about Damian Pierce or Ja'Cory Krosky Merritt at San Francisco?
61:50Pierce. Bill? Starting running back for the Browns or Pierce?
61:53Pierce. It depends. If it's starting running back for the Browns, I think I would take Samson over Pierce if he's activated.
62:00But if it's just, you know what, if it's just McLaughlin, I might go with it's not going to be just McLaughlin.
62:07Okay, but it's not going to be just Pierce either.
62:11It might be Carson Steele. We actually had some good moments with Tanner McKee in the preseason.
62:16I know. It's ugly. Also, I want to make a point about the Eagles.
62:21JB Richard or Dave Eisenberg, what is that point about the Eagles?
62:24Dave, I don't love when the lead singer plays the drums.
62:28I just, I get it. It's just, you know, I love the Eagles, but I can't hate that.
62:34I do think Hotel California, arguably best guitar solo.
62:37I know it's two solos, but ever Arizona at the Rams.
62:40Jacoby Brissett finally threw the ball downfield against Detroit.
62:43And he has only two good fantasy games this season.
62:47He threw 47 or more passes in both of them and probably going to need that because the Rams are really good
62:54against the past second best and yards per attempt allowed in the NFL.
62:58Jamie starter sit well, actually real quick. that we normally start.
63:02Well, let's get to Higby, but Stafford, Kyron, both receivers.
63:05They're no brainers, right? Yep. Okay. Start us at Brissett.
63:08I would try to sit him this week. You know, he's coming off a great game, but that was the perfect setup
63:15for him, which is going to be the similar, a similar setup except for the defense, you know, so Detroit's defense stinks.
63:22You expected them to build the lead. You expected Brissett to have to throw late in the game.
63:28He did all that. He was successful. I just don't think he's going to have as much success this week against the Rams.
63:36And yeah, I am aware Phil Collins also does that with the drums and the lead singing.
63:41I don't love that either. So let's talk about Brissett real quick and we will answer some questions that have already been
63:48answered, but Brissett, he was behind Cousins and Rogers and Jameis Winston on Tuesday.
63:53He's still behind those guys? Yeah, I started Brissett in probably like 10 leagues last week and I dropped him in almost
64:00every single one for either Cousins, Rogers, or Winston.
64:03Perfect. I'm sure you had a good week five then Jacoby Brissett or CJ Stroud against Jacksonville?
64:09Stroud. I go Stroud. And Trevor Lawrence? I still start Lawrence.
64:12I got Lawrence a spot ahead of Brissett. Okay.
64:15Brissett or Deshaun Watson? I have Brissett over Watson.
64:18All right. You wonder how much the Trey McBride exchange with Brissett may lead to him getting benched at some point.
64:25What is the Trey McBride where they yell at each other?
64:28I was upset with Jacoby Brissett and Brissett had to explain to him like I'm not throwing you the ball because you're being double teamed every time.
64:37They said that Michael Wilson and Trey McBride were double teamed like all game.
64:42I think Matt LaFleur said that I believe. Which LaFleur is he?
64:46It's Mike. Mike LaFleur. It'd be weird if Matt LaFleur said that.
64:50Yeah. Sorry McBride, but I'll tell you one thing about the Rams, man.
64:54They are awesome against tight ends. George Kittle, 12 yards.
64:57Isaiah likely 33 yards on 10 targets. Dalton Kincaid, one catch for seven yards on two targets.
65:03This team is the best so far against tight ends.
65:06Of course, you're going to start. They've yet to allow 100 yards receiving to the position.
65:11Wow. That's amazing. Yeah. Now granted, some of it's circumstantial.
65:14You had the Kittle game where it was the first game for him after the Achilles didn't play very much.
65:21He had likely with the quarterback change in bad weather.
65:24You know, so it's been a little. Bad weather?
65:27Oh, no, I'm sorry. That was in Los Angeles.
65:30That was the quarterback change. Um, it, uh, it's just they're great.
65:34You're not sitting McBride though. Just don't expect great against the pass.
65:38That's what makes me nervous about Michael Wilson. Would you start Michael Wilson or Devante Smith if he plays?
65:44Uh, that's a close one. I probably still go Wilson just based on health, but yeah, I'd go Wilson based on volume.
65:51I don't think they get away from throwing to Wilson, even if McDuffie's assigned to him.
65:56Khalil Shakir is the only wide receiver with more than 50 yards against the Rams.
66:01Remember he had that long play. I, one thing I love about Michael Wilson, he has nine red zone targets and he
66:08actually leads the team with six end zone targets.
66:11He's only had one touchdown this year, but I love that six end zone targets.
66:16Uh, all right. So, you know, he's going to be ahead of like Jeremy Bernard and those guys.
66:22Is there any scenario in which you're confident in starting a Cardinals running back in this game?
66:28Love out Algier low end number two running back.
66:30Would you say Jamie? No, no confidence. They just allowed their first rushing touchdown of the season last week to James Cook.
66:38Yeah. I don't know what metrics you guys like to use to evaluate a defense versus running backs.
66:43I think you got to use everything, but I like yards per carry.
66:48Honestly, the best. Hmm. That's a stat. It's not.
66:51You've got to use all the stats that are available to you.
66:55That's one, but they're good. How many explosive runs they allow, how many negative runs they get miss tackles is a big deal.
67:02And is there consistency from game to game at this point?
67:06A defensive EPA obviously is a factor at this point of the season.
67:10The fact that they haven't allowed a lot of rushing touchdowns doesn't really necessarily matter that much, but look, the fact is the Rams have a good defense.
67:19Yes. Hard to move ball against them. You have a bad offensive line.
67:23You have a turnover prone quarterback. You have a situation where they're coming off a loss and they're pissed.
67:29Like, it's just, everything's bad for the Cardinals right now.
67:33All right. Kendrick Bourne. I'm looking, I'm looking for the Cardinals stats in here and I'm thinking I'm going to find them like in the fourth quarter.
67:41Right. Dave is holding up a garbage can for you listening.
67:45All right. Real quick. Kendrick Bourne or Devon Bailey.
67:48I'd go with Bailey. Kendrick Bourne or Cornell Tate.
67:51Tate. Carnell Tate. I didn't actually eat anything by the way.
67:54Kendrick Bourne or Wondale Robinson. I've got, I've got Bailey Bourne and Wondale back to back to back in my rankings.
68:01All of them are number three receivers. Kendrick Bourne or Denzel Boston.
68:05Boston. Shipping off to Boston. Kendrick Bourne or the Bears wide receivers.
68:09Burden. Bourne. Odunze. I think I'd take Odunze over Bourne.
68:12Tyler Higbee is 12th and 11th. Oh no, I will go Odunze over Bourne.
68:17Heath does not like Higbee as in 20th. You guys have them in the just the low target share.
68:23That's why. It is. Like he's gotten six targets in each of his last three and 11 PPR points in each of
68:30his last three, but it's volume driven. The question is, are we really going to see a Rams offense that's going to
68:37take it easy and just run their way to a victory and make it a simple, you know, 2110 type game?
68:44Are they going to let Matthew Stafford keep padding his stats?
68:48I think they're going to let Matthew Stafford still throw.
68:51He won't throw it 50 times, but I'm curious what his over under is on past attempts.
68:57I'm going to look it up. All right. Let's go to the questions here.
69:01Bourne or Marvin Harrison Jr. Bourne. Bourne. Rams or Chiefs DST?
69:05Chiefs. Casey. There's a little Seinfeld reference for you.
69:08Adam is an anti-drumite. I'm not an anti-drumite, an anti-drumite as lead singer, anti-drummer as lead singer-ite.
69:13Brissette or Jameis? Jameis. Algier or Hampton? If love is out.
69:17Algier. Yeah. Are you going to guess what the past attempts are for first?
69:21Yeah, I'm going to say 36 and a half.
69:24Jam? That's a great number. Oh, thank you. I like that number too.
69:28I'll stick with what I'm saying. It's 34 and a half.
69:32Ah! Start one running back in half PPR. Blake Corum, Tyler Algier, Dylan Sampson.
69:37Algier if love is out, Sampson otherwise. Algier if love is out, Sampson if Sampson is in, and Corum is the other guy.
69:44That's right. What do you think Brissette's over-under is?
69:4743 and a half. 37 and a half. You nailed it, Jamie.
69:5137 and a half. And it's juice to the under.
69:54Oh, wow. That's an interesting interpretation of that game.
69:57Kendrick Bourne or Josh Downs? I like Downs this week.
70:00I'd go Bourne. Kendrick Bourne or Keenan Allen? Bourne.
70:03I think I have. They're both right in that wide receiver three range.
70:07I might have Allen a tad higher. Kendrick Bourne or Jason Bourne?
70:11Jason. Yeah. You'll have more fun watching Jason than Kendrick.
70:15This is an interesting scenario here for me. Who's more of an action star, Adam?
70:19Matt Damon or Tom Cruise? Matt Damon. My computer's about to die.
70:23So, well, not the one I'm recording on, but the other one.
70:27I might not have notes for a bit here.
70:30Let's go to Washington at San Francisco. Profile of the game, Christian McCaffrey.
70:34He is the number 11 running back per game.
70:37He is averaging 18.3 fantasy points per game, which is almost exactly one touchdown less per game, 6.2 fantasy points per game fewer than he averaged last year.
70:46He is on pace for 101 fewer carries, 37 fewer catches and 688 fewer total yards.
70:52He is on pace once again for one touchdown per game, 17 touchdowns for a season.
70:57The commanders, by the way, allow the second fewest fantasy points to opposing wide receivers, but running backs, pardon me.
71:03But you're going to start Christian McCaffrey. You're going to start Brock Purdy.
71:08By the way, I forgot to say Matthew Stafford.
71:11I think he's like third for you guys. He's super high.
71:14Yeah, he is third. Brock Purdy is second. So you guys have Allen one, Purdy two, Stafford three, Jordan Love four.
71:21Heath has almost the same exact order. Drake May is fifth.
71:25You guys have all three of you about the same top five this week.
71:29The 49ers are pretty easy. George Kittle is a must start.
71:33Mike, Mike Evans, a must start, right? Yes. Top 10 or two.
71:37Is there a wide receiver sleeper like a Brandon Cooks on the Niners this week?
71:41I don't think anybody that you want to trust.
71:44There probably will be somebody who scores or makes a big play, but I think just looking at it as bad as
71:52the receiver position might be this week with bye weeks and injuries, you could probably find other guys that are better.
71:58Yeah. Think about it this way. Is it a Patriots receiver or a 49ers receiver not named Mike Evans that you would trust in fantasy?
72:06And I would lean into the Patriots guys. And start, this is, this is a tough one.
72:12I think starter sit Jaden Daniels, Dave low end starter.
72:15I think the fact that he ran as much as he did last week is, is a plus.
72:21It's not going to be the same type of explosive running against his own heavy defense.
72:26Like the 49ers tend to play and hopefully he can find a touchdown.
72:31The ground and one more through the air and come through for that neighborhood of 22 to 24 fantasy points.
72:37Let's call it 20 to 24, not 22 to 24.
72:40Daniels or shock. I'm taking Daniels. Daniels. Daniels or.
72:43Yeah, I know you got Lord Jordan love better.
72:46Dak Prescott or Jaden Daniels. Dak. Same. Daniels or Mahomes.
72:49Mahomes. If Rice is in, Daniels, if Rice is up.
72:53I think that's fair. It's, it's almost weird that your Corey Krosky merits in the top 24 this week.
72:59Is that just because yeah, it's running back so bad, right?
73:02Yes. So would you start him? Which of the running backs from the waiver wire show?
73:08Would you start over Bill? Marshall? I would start over him.
73:11And you said Pierce, Jamie. Yep. But not Woody marks.
73:14Oh, I'm sorry. Marks is out of every. Oh yeah.
73:18I'm right. He's, he was not really in the waiver wire show.
73:22All right. Woody marks ahead of him. Uh, if for some reason, to Corey Krosky merit doesn't play, did miss practice on Friday on Thursday.
73:30Pardon me. Uh, where would you rank Rashad white?
73:33High influx. Would he be better than Terry McLaurin?
73:36No, no. Well, he might be, but I wouldn't rank him higher than him.
73:40So this doesn't, okay. This doesn't make a ton of sense to me.
73:44You have, you have, um, Chuck, Corey Krosky merit ranked in the top 24 right now.
73:50Barely. If he's out, why wouldn't Rashad white be ranked higher than where you have bill right now?
73:55I don't think he's as good a rusher. Yep.
73:58I think he's not, but he would, obviously we get more touch.
74:02I think you're right. You could make a case for him over Marshawn Lloyd if there's no bill, but I also wouldn't
74:09expect, I would expect white to just have his role and maybe an uptick in carries, but not like dominating.
74:16I think Austin Eckler would see more work too.
74:19Yeah, you would get, you would get echoing there.
74:22It's a tough matchup. San Francisco is 24th against running backs.
74:25But again, the number that matters more to me, especially for bill is 3.7 yards per carry allowed to running backs.
74:32And they have given up the second most receiving yards per game to backs, but that was mostly RJ Harvey.
74:39So I don't, this is a tough defense to run on.
74:42And, um, yeah, green law. That'll matter. No green law will matter, but they're, they've, they've found some players on the D
74:49line, uh, Valdez and, uh, Grayson Halton, I think is his name.
74:53Like they're, they're starting to like generate a pass rush without Nick Bosa.
74:58They're definitely doing a good, a better job stopping the run.
75:01Fred Warner's obviously a huge part of that green laws too.
75:05I, I'm, I'm, I'm intrigued by the 49ers front.
75:08I think they're getting better. All right. McLaurin. We've talked about enough.
75:12Heath is not like McLaurin. He has some 32nd.
75:15You guys have them right around 20th. I don't know how to feel about him.
75:19I keep going back to this. Like they just, Jaden Daniels just doesn't throw to him that much, but he has these great games.
75:27Like sometimes matchups don't even matter with him. He was great against the Broncos last year.
75:32He was great against Seattle this year. So we're at 19.7 fantasy points.
75:37It's a tough matchup on paper. They give up the seven fewest fantasy points, the wide receivers.
75:42They've done well against the Rams guys when they were sleep deprived.
75:46They did great against, I did pretty well against Waddle.
75:49Gave up a touchdown. Not good against JSN. And you give up a touchdown to Waddle at this point.
75:56You're terrible. That's pretty bad. So McLaurin's a starter for you guys.
75:59And then I'm assuming no interest in Chigo Conquo.
76:02Not much. No. They were intentional about getting him involved last week, but let's see.
76:07They were. Yep. See what happened again. Maybe he could get you like 10 PPR points again.
76:13And the Niners DSC is a start. Sorry to talk over you, but Diggs can't play.
76:18If Diggs is out, Okonkwo, maybe. If Diggs plays, what is that?
76:22Like, give me the, what changes in your rankings if Diggs plays?
76:26With Daniel. McLaurin goes down. Antonio Williams, I don't think you're even thinking about him.
76:31Okonkwo is down. I think that solidifies. Daniels is a top 12 quarterback and Diggs is a number three receiver.
76:37You could almost make the case that Diggs is better than McLaurin.
76:41Is Antonio Williams on your radar as of now with Diggs out?
76:45Low end number three is here. Mm-hmm. All right.
76:48See if we have any questions for this game.
76:51Can I give you just quick stats on the 49ers?
76:54Last three games, they haven't allowed a single rush of 10 plus yards.
76:58Wow. So, they're doing a great job of shutting down big plays against running backs, but they've taken on Arizona, Denver, Seattle.
77:05Yeah. Context matters. Niners DST or Panthers DST? Niners.
77:08I'll take the Niners. Jaden Daniels or Bryce Young?
77:11Good question. Bryce. Daniels. Bill or Kendry Miller? Bill Asimow.
77:15Agreed. Jaden Daniels or Drake May in four-point? May.
77:18Rashad White or a Browns running back if Judkins is out?
77:21Non-PPR. Oh, Rashad White. But Bill's got to be out.
77:24We're saying that? Yeah. If Bill were out. Yeah.
77:27Rashad White. Antonio Williams or Jacoby Lane if he plays?
77:31Well, he'll take this out. Go find a Patriots receiver.
77:34All right. Dallas is at Green Bay. Was going to be the game of the week.
77:39Yeah. But Dave ruined it again. Dave called Dak Prescott a buy low on two Wednesdays, Twinsday show.
77:45And honestly, like his numbers mostly look the same as last year.
77:49It's a little bit worse. Little bit lower yards per temp.
77:52Little bit lower touchdown rate. One game could change that.
77:56But he more or less looks like Dak Prescott, right?
77:59And it's 36.8 pass attempts per game. So and the Cowboys look like the Cowboys of 2025.
78:04Yeah, but they are. Look, they can get over shown back this week.
78:09Get Von Miller this week. I forget. A couple other players are practicing.
78:13Yeah, that helps a little. We shall see. Green Bay fourth best against quarterbacks, but they have not been tested.
78:19So basically just start everyone. You know, Marshawn Lloyd will be a tough call, but all four receivers are must starts.
78:26Jordan Love is ranked ahead of Dak Prescott and Dak Prescott's ranked very high.
78:31We talked about Tucker Craft during one question for each game.
78:34He's like a top eight guy. Jake Ferguson, Jamie, start or sit?
78:38I would sit him, but, you know, touchdown or bust.
78:41He, his value was looking a little bit better at the start of the week when we didn't know CeeDee Lamb was going to play.
78:50Now that Lamb is in, he just has not got enough targets.
78:53But, you know, again, 52 and a half is the expected total.
78:57Wouldn't surprise me if it goes over this. These two defenses are not playing very well.
79:03And we know that Dak Prescott will look for Jake Ferguson in the red zone.
79:07So, if he does not score, you'll be disappointed.
79:10I don't think we're getting a huge catch or yardage game from him, but it could be a two touchdown game like we saw week two.
79:19So, one thing I'll point out about Ferguson, I'm not really a big Ferguson guy because he was pretty useless last year once Lamb and Pickens were healthy.
79:28But he's had four to six targets in four straight games.
79:32And his yards per target is 4.9, which is unbelievably bad.
79:35So, he should be doing better with five targets a game.
79:39It's not like you don't start a guy who gets five targets, but he should be at least better than, you know,
79:46the combined nine fantasy points he gave us the last two games.
79:50And like 23 or fewer yards in three straight games.
79:53He shouldn't be that bad. So, yeah, love is a must start.
79:57Start of the week. Marshawn Lloyd. Marshawn Lloyd. Okay.
80:00You guys have him right around 21st. Heath has him 28th.
80:03What are your expectations, Dave, for Marshawn Lloyd? This is Green Bay's most utilized running back, whether it's just anywhere on the
80:11field or near the goal line this season. We know that he's capable of catching passes.
80:16We saw last week he's capable of scoring touchdowns.
80:19I don't think he's necessarily a great talent, but in a game with projected to be sky high in scoring and a
80:26Packers offensive line that I actually think has gotten better over the last two weeks.
80:31Better guard play. That's good for their run game.
80:34I don't think they've got a choice but to lean into Marshawn Lloyd as their I can't say like primary or feature or any of those terms.
80:42Let's call him a 1A and he could be in the neighborhood of 12 carries.
80:47Hopefully he scores. Hopefully he finds 50 yards. He hasn't done that yet in the game this year.
80:53He's ahead of Bill though, right? By a notch for me.
80:57All right. I'm looking for some chat questions here and we'll end on that.
81:01Marshawn Lloyd or Braylon Allen? Braylon Allen. Allen. Pick 2.
81:05Parker Washington, George Pickens, Matthew Golden. Wow. I'm going to sit Washington.
81:08I believe I have Washington the lowest of those three.
81:12Okay. Sit 1. Christian Watson, Tedderall McMillan, Zay Flowers, Malik Neighbors in non-PPR.
81:16Sitting McMillan. I'm going to sit Flowers if Huntley plays in non-PPR.
81:20Okay, man. Lloyd or Jeremiah Love? Lloyd. Lloyd. Lloyd!
81:23Lloyd! What'd you say? Can't trust Love. No. We've all learned that the hard way.
81:28Oh, boy, have we ever. All right, folks. Thanks so much for watching and listening.
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