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0:12Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie and Heath It is Tuesday.
0:16It is Do Not Draft Tuesday. Or something like that.
0:19July 28th, welcome to the show. Tomorrow we start the position previews, but today we tell you who we're not going to
0:25have on our fantasy teams based on current average draft position.
0:28Adam Azer, Jamie Eisenberg, and Dave Richard here. So, we're looking at players that we think are maybe going a little bit
0:35too early or players we just don't like them.
0:37They're not for me. We'll explain our thoughts on the Do Not Draft list, although I think it's pretty self-explanatory.
0:43We've got news and notes. We didn't talk about Jacoby Brissett on Sunday night.
0:47That's my bad, but he signed a one-year $15.5 million deal, and he says he has to learn the playbook.
0:53I'm thinking maybe he should have been doing that previously, but okay.
0:56Daniel Jones has been fully cleared for camp, so we'll talk about those two quarterbacks.
1:01Tucker Craft update, Josh Jacobs update, and more. Good morning, Jamie.
1:04Good morning. Good morning, Dave. Brissett shouldn't have learned the playbook because if he hadn't gotten a new contract, he wouldn't be
1:10playing this year, and what's the point of learning a playbook that you're not going to use?
1:15He was under contract. So, he could still hold out.
1:18Le'Veon did that once. He could have learned the playbook while he was holding out.
1:23I'm sure he learned the playbook. He just doesn't fully know the playbook.
1:26He's learned like 25 playbooks over the course of his career, so I'm pretty sure he can get the gist of this one.
1:33He said he's playing catch-up right now, and he still has to learn Mike McFleur's system.
1:38Oh, I'm sure that's the case, but I would guess that he knows the playbook.
1:42The way I read it, it did not seem like he really put in the hours to learn the playbook.
1:48Didn't he say something like, oh, hell no, I don't know it?
1:51It's exactly what he said. He said, oh, hell no.
1:54I don't know if he said I don't know it at the end, but he said, oh, hell no.
2:00All right. Well, anyway, that's the way the season's starting.
2:02And pretty much everyone, I talked about this with Jacob on Beyond the Box score, everyone in the world has looked at
2:09their schedule and said, Arizona's going to be horrible, and then they're going to turn it over to Carson Beck at some point.
2:15And Carson Beck, according to one of their beat writers, Theo Mackey, has had a lot of, quote, big misses in camp, five or more yards off target.
2:24So Jamie has a couple of Cardinals on his do-not-draft list.
2:27We'll get to that in a second. In fact, why don't we start with one player you want to highlight on your do-not-draft list?
2:34Dave Richard? I'm going to start with Brees Hall, who I don't think is worth the round three investment that a lot
2:40of people are making that's even in full PPR.
2:43I don't like him. I don't like the coaches.
2:45I don't like their decision to use three running backs for the second year in a row.
2:50I don't like that last year he averaged 13 PPR points per game.
2:54He had eight games under 10 PPR points last year.
2:57That was while sharing the ball on a team with a bad offense.
3:01And now Frank Reich is the play caller. Frank Reich has been a habitual multi-running back user.
3:06He's got a running downs guy. He's got a passing downs guy.
3:09Brees Hall is going to be the running downs guy.
3:12He will not be the running downs and the passing downs guy.
3:15Four times in 10 years as a play caller, Frank Reich has had a running back average at least 15 PPR points.
3:22Take that back. It's 13, not 15. 13 PPR points per game.
3:25And that's the number that I would assign to Brees Hall.
3:28It's what he had last year. Could you do a little bit better than that?
3:33Of course. Is his ceiling better than that? Yes.
3:35Is his floor lower than that? Absolutely. And that makes me nervous to take him in round three.
3:41And I'm kind of nervous to take him in round four also.
3:44And so I'm kind of just out on Brees Hall, kind of out on a bunch of jets other than Garrett Wilson.
3:50Not really the team that I want to start investing big picks in.
3:54Okay. Brees Hall, RB 16 and ADP was RB 21 per game last year.
3:58That's Dave's pick to headline his do not draft list.
4:01Jamie, how about you? I'll give you two just quickly.
4:04Christian McCaffrey and Devon Achane And I was told to say something along the lines of, I don't hate them.
4:10I just think they're going a little too early.
4:12I take them blank and blank respectively. Yeah, that was great.
4:16So what is, so look, look at their ADP.
4:18They were well written. Yeah, yeah. That's why you're a Hall of Fame fantasy analyst, Jamie.
4:23That's why Adam's a Hall of Fame host and producer.
4:26So McCaffrey is RB four on CBS, RB three in fantasy pros.
4:29He's going eighth on CBS, sixth in fantasy pros.
4:32When would you take McCaffrey? I would take McCaffrey the earliest at ninth overall.
4:36I mean, obviously we're nitpicking here a little bit, but it's just one of those things where I'm probably just not going to draft him.
4:43Um, I, I just look at the situation as I try to avoid as many pitfalls as I can.
4:49And he's got a lot of them, as many red flags as I can.
4:53And look, you're missing on potentially the best player in fantasy.
4:56As we saw last year, best non quarterback over 24 PPR points per game.
5:00He's just amazing when he's healthy, but we have two prior examples of him with over 400 total touches in his career.
5:06One with Carolina, one with San Francisco. The one we remember the most is the most recent one.
5:122023, uh, had over 400 total touches, including the playoffs 2024.
5:15He played four games. So he's now 30 years old.
5:18I think it's going to be a little bit of a scary situation for McCaffrey.
5:22Uh, so I try to avoid that as much as I can.
5:25Again, knowing the risk of what you're missing out on with, with Achan.
5:29It's just a terrible situation for his, uh, fantasy outlook because of the team that he's on.
5:34One, don't expect a lot of touchdown production from the Dolphins because their win total is expected to be very low.
5:40That's always a good indicator of a team being bad.
5:43Uh, plus we know what his numbers are with and without Tua Tungvaluwa over the last two seasons, 21 and a half
5:49PPR points per game with Tua on the field, 10 and a half PPR points per game without Tua on the field.
5:56So, uh, I will not be taking Achan at the back end of round one or the early part of round two.
6:02The earliest I would take him is 19th overall, which he will never get there.
6:07Okay. Achan is going 12th in both CBS and fantasy pros ADP.
6:10Good luck to you. Yeah. I get McCaffrey. I've been taking McCaffrey in so many of our drafts.
6:15Just seems like I, I have the same concerns as you, but I guess not to the same degree.
6:21Uh, so I take him six, Jamie. I think my, my philosophy with McCaffrey is no, I take him seventh.
6:27I'm sorry. With Gibbs, Bijan, Chase, Puka, JSN, and then even Amon Ross, St.
6:31Brown. I just have a hard time seeing any of those guys being busts.
6:35Uh, I could make a case. Yeah. I mean, one of them probably will be maybe two, but I don't know.
6:41I, they feel very safe to me and they feel like they have big upside.
6:45Um, everyone after that, you know, I, I still could see a bust case for everyone after that.
6:50So why not take McCaffrey who has more upside than, than everyone else?
6:54I think if I'm going to. It makes, it makes total sense.
6:57Just, I see more potential downfall with his history.
7:00Yeah. Me too. And that makes me nervous. Now look, Jonathan Taylor is usually the running back that's in, in the conversation with McCaffrey.
7:07You saw how great he was in the first half of the season last year and how terrible he was in the
7:13second half of the season last year. His is more of a performance thing.
7:17I think with the team around him, the McCaffrey is more of an injury risk thing.
7:22Right. So you tell me both stay healthy. McCaffrey is going to be better.
7:26I don't think there's a question about that. Um, James Cook is the other running back that's using the conversation.
7:32I guess for some people it's, it's genty because we see that quite a bit, but, um, um, genty as we saw last year was, was not great.
7:40Um, and does Clint Kubiak, Tyler Linderbaum and the combination of Kirk cousins, Devon, uh, Kirk cousins and Fernando Mendoza make things that much better for genty.
7:48I think it makes it better for sure. But is it that much better where you just forget about everything that happened last year?
7:55So, you know, when you start to stack these guys up and then H and clearly is, is in the mix as well.
8:01I don't think most people are going to take chase Brown over McCaffrey.
8:05So it's, it's really just genty Taylor and maybe cook.
8:08I think we just start to stack those guys up.
8:11Uh, you're right. McCaffrey's upside crushes those guys. So if that's what you're shooting for, I think again, if you want to
8:17approach it also like knowing that, that there's a handcuff, I hope there's going to be one, you know, so whether it's
8:24Jordan James, who got a little bit banged up, I think a practice either yesterday or the day before, um, or Kalen
8:30black look, seems like those are the two most logical guys.
8:33I don't think guys at Garendo has a shot at it right now.
8:37I think that makes you feel a little bit better because you could target that guy earlier.
8:42You know, Dave's talked about the giants guys and being in on Tyrone Tracy.
8:46Like if you just know you're drafting McCaffrey and you're going to settle for that, I almost think like his ADP is
8:52probably going to be, or that player's ADP. Like again, let's say Jordan James is probably around 10 or later.
8:58Like the minute you get to that round eight range where it starts to get just really, really ugly, disgusting, you know,
9:05just get the, just lock it up knowing that the San Francisco running back history has been pretty solid.
9:10I'm sorry to take a detour here, but I've been thinking about this auction strategy for weeks and I've never, I haven't
9:16said it on the show and I want to do.
9:19That you don't do. I do an auction. I don't do the, the, the, the, that's right.
9:24You do it with your softball softball team where you're the only person that knows anything about fantasy.
9:29That's not true. Plenty of good, plenty of good players in the league.
9:33Uh, what do you think? I heard, I heard a theory though, by the way, speaking of detours, that since you are
9:40such a jerk with the fantasy league, that the throw that hits you in the arm.
9:44It was the other team, the other team actually got out of the way.
9:48So it hit you. Oh, my guy slid. So it hit me.
9:52All right. What do you think about this auction strategy?
9:55You, you want one of the first round running backs.
9:58So you start with a somewhat aggressive bid because these are the, I think the handcuffs, let's say you're in a hundred dollar league.
10:05I think the handcuff running backs are a dollar, dollar players other than like Corham and Mononga.
10:09Right. Right. You start with kind of an aggressive bid on Pacheco or Jordan James.
10:14I don't think he would qualify. Brian Robinson Jr.
10:16In Atlanta, Ray Davis or something like that. I think specifically Pacheco would be the guy you get that guy.
10:22If you get that guy, do you? And then you also get Gibbs, even if you have to overpay.
10:28But do you think that getting the handcuff right out of the gate before Gibbs is even nominated lowers Jameer Gibbs's value at all in an auction league?
10:36Not even close. No, because people might say, I can't handcuff him.
10:39There's no way. Yeah, but there's a lot of people that don't want to handcuff anyway.
10:44I think a lot of. There's a strong portion of the fantasy universe that does not care about that.
10:49I think there's a good chunk that does. Understand this.
10:52Let's say you just said they all go for a dollar, right?
10:56In a hundred dollar budget. So let's say you bid three dollars for Pacheco because that would easily get him.
11:02Yes. Yes. So now you're saying to the rest of the league, hey, I just spent two dollars more on Pacheco.
11:08Yes. Now listen. Now you have to go get Gibbs.
11:11Now before you make fun of me, I think maybe half of your league is like, well, I can't.
11:16I can no longer handcuff him. So it's a little bit risky for me to spend so much of my budget on a player that I can't handcuff.
11:24I really can see this playing out. But wait, hold on, hold on.
11:28I don't. Hold on. Don't make fun of me yet.
11:31The other angle of it is this. Jameer Gibbs.
11:33I think Jameer Gibbs could be so good. I think he could be so good that he could be worth 40% of your budget.
11:40So if you spent 40% of your budget on him and Pacheco, even if he got hurt, you might still be in decent shape.
11:47You know how you can really dominate your league?
11:50You just come out of the gate and you just go, I'm taking Brian Robinson Jr., Isaiah Pacheco, Jordan James.
11:56You know what? I just spent six bucks on all of them and I'm going to get all three of their guys
12:02because now nobody else is going to want to get them.
12:05Spend that extra dollar on DJ Giddens in Indianapolis because everyone's going to head for the hills on Jonathan Taylor.
12:11I think. Hey, why don't you spend five bucks on Yoshiva so that way you can get Jamar Chase for eight cents.
12:17Okay, let's take a break. When we come back.
12:20Let's just not remember the last three minutes of this show.
12:23I wish Dan was out for this. Oh, Dan would be going crazy.
12:27First, Dan would be going on and on about how great auctions are and he's right about that.
12:32We'll save that diatribe for another time. But boy, would he be laying into you for this, Adam.
12:37I don't think so. What a gross misuse of money.
12:40If I were your wife, I'd be concerned about how you're spending our finances.
12:44Also, if I were your wife, this would be a very awkward.
12:48I think. Hold on for one second here. How much do you think.
12:52Let's say out of $100 budget in retrospect, how much do you think Christian McCaffrey, who averaged what almost 25 fantasy, 24
12:58to 25 fantasy points per game last year. How much do you think he was actually worth in retrospect?
13:03Oh, worth? At least. I mean, he was the best player in 50% of your budget.
13:08That's my freaking point right there. I think 50 is too high.
13:12But in retrospect, he was worth at least 40% of your budget.
13:15Right. I was going to say 35. But if you want to say 40.
13:19I think Jameer Gibbs could be that good this year.
13:22I laid it out in the bold predictions episode.
13:25He is incredible. And he hasn't even been the goal line back for the last three years.
13:30If he starts scoring touchdowns, he could be. Yes, that's why you spend the money on him.
13:34But what I'm saying is if you spend the money on both of them, then what you have done is you have
13:41said, all right, my worst case scenario is I spend all this money on Jameer Gibbs and he gets hurt.
13:47And then I don't have the roster because I've spent so much money on Gibbs.
13:51He just got hurt. I don't have the roster to do anything competitive.
13:55Dan, I have you on the air with us.
13:57Just stop interrupting me for five seconds. I don't have the roster because I spent so much on Gibbs.
14:03But if you make sure you get Pacheco, then that's an important thing to do.
14:07That makes your team more viable because Pacheco could be 70% of that if he's the lead back.
14:12All right, forget it. You guys aren't taking it seriously.
14:15No, no, no. I'm hearing everything you say. The difference is that Pacheco isn't going to do more than maybe 50% of what you're expecting.
14:22No, I think he could do better than that.
14:25If he's the lead running back for the Lions, he could do 70.
14:29We could score 16, 17 points per game. He could be very good.
14:33All right, we're going to take a break. When we come back, we'll go through your news and notes and get to
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16:07With Arizona and Jacoby Brissett agreeing to a one-year deal, $15.5 million, chance to earn $21 million for Brissett.
16:13And he was, I think he was eighth best for a stretch, like for a long stretch, before kind of struggling down
16:19the stretch the last three games of the season.
16:21But he was really good. Currently QB 30 in Fantasy Pros, outside the top 22 in CBS, but understandably so.
16:27In a two-quarterback league, Jamie, do you have interest in Jacoby Brissett?
16:31Absolutely. You know, I think depending on how you draft, you know, especially if you want to take one of your quarterbacks
16:37early and then sort of piece together your number two and your number three or just your number two quarterback.
16:43But it's one of those situations where I think you know what you're going to get from him.
16:48You know, he's probably going to be on a bad week still in that 17, 18 point per game range.
16:54There'll obviously be some disasters in there, but I still think we're going to see them throw the ball a lot.
17:00The run game is going to be better because the additions of Love and Algier and a healthy James Conner.
17:06So you probably won't get them leading the NFL in pass attempts, but this is still a very, very much a defense
17:12in progress, rebuilding the defense in progress. So we're going to see a lot of probably games where they're chasing points.
17:18They're already 10 and a half point underdogs in week one against the Chargers.
17:22So, you know, right away you could see them in a situation where they have to pass a lot.
17:28And if everybody stays healthy, the weapons are great, you know, with Harrison, Wilson and McBride.
17:32So I think there's still an opportunity for Jacoby Brissett as long as he stays the starter to still be a borderline top 15 quarterback.
17:40So it's just a lot of people aren't going to trust him out to start the season to be at the start
17:46of the season to be that guy. All right, Dave, Daniel Jones has been fully cleared for training camp.
17:52Alec Pierce is on the pup list after ankle surgery in March.
17:55So we expected that he may not be back until late in camp, maybe after preseason starts.
18:00So we got Daniel Jones, who was QB 13 per game and four point 14 and six point.
18:05But remember, he barely played against Jacksonville, scored eight tenths of a fantasy point.
18:09If you remove that game, if you remove that game, Daniel Jones was a top eight quarterback, slightly better than Dak Prescott last year.
18:16And he scored 24 or more points in five of his first eight games and six point for passing touchdown leagues.
18:22What do you think about Daniel Jones this year?
18:25I think he's a better number two QB than Brissett, because if he stays healthy, he's going to be the starter in Indianapolis for the entire season.
18:33Whereas Brissett, we're just not sure how long he's going to be the starter for in Arizona.
18:38But that's it. I don't see him getting drafted into one QB league.
18:41I'm glad he's going to participate in all of training camp.
18:45So it's good for the passing game to have that continuity and not have to deal with Jones being slow to recover and all that other stuff.
18:52And I'm kind of hoping a little bit that he doesn't run as much.
18:56And that obviously hurts his fantasy production, but it'll help his pass attempts.
19:00And that's good for all the pass catchers that he has.
19:03I did move Pierce down a little bit on the pup news, especially since there's a chance he could miss half of training camp.
19:10We don't know exactly when he's going to come back.
19:13And now there's just so many ifs with Pierce.
19:16If he can take on a different role in the offense, if he sees a higher target volume, if he can command
19:22more targets than Tyler Warren and Josh Downs, if he can be healthy enough to practice for three plus weeks before the season starts.
19:29It's just too much. His ADP on fantasy pros is right around 80th overall.
19:33I might be a little higher than that, but he's still somebody that I'm looking at round seven, round eight.
19:39I think he's Alec Pierce is flirting with my do not draft list, although I don't think he's going all that high.
19:45I mean, wide receiver 34, 79th overall for a guy who's the investment there.
19:49Right, right. There's nobody behind him that I think, oh, I would take Jordan Tyson over him, I think.
19:55Dave would know. I mean, look, there are guys you can make a case for over him.
20:00I just think in that spot, there's so much opportunity for him.
20:03And so even if he does get off to a slow start, like think about Christian Watson last year, right?
20:09If you get that type of production late in the season or middle of the late in the season, you'll be thrilled.
20:15Yep. All right, just a few more things here.
20:18Tucker Craft's on the pup list. Josh Jacobs' domestic violence case is still an open investigation.
20:23Marshawn Lloyd is... You can just stop there. That's why he's on my do not draft list.
20:28Okay. Marshawn Lloyd is healthy, and Micah Parsons is likely to miss at least three to four weeks.
20:33San Francisco wide receiver Christian Kirk is not healthy.
20:35He's going to miss some time with a calf strain.
20:38Rookie wide receiver Dijon Stribling, though, appears to be having a good camp, and Brock Purdy called Dijon Stribling a baller.
20:44Seattle wide receiver Torrey Horton is limited. He avoided the pup list.
20:48He had a shin injury in November, did not come back, but he avoided the pup list, so Torrey Horton limited.
20:54Janarian Price has been used a lot in the passing game, but it's because that's where he needs the most work right now.
21:01He and Helani have been alternating with the starters.
21:03Helani's been getting the first rep in all the drills, apparently.
21:06Tampa Bay defensive tackle Vita Vea has requested a trade.
21:09This used to be a guy where when he played, you couldn't run on them.
21:14When he did not play, you could run all over them, basically.
21:17That wasn't really the case last year. They allowed 4.31 yards per carry to running backs.
21:22He played a full season. Great news for Pittsburgh.
21:24Offensive tackle Broderick Jones. I mean, it was possible that he wasn't going to play this year from what I understood.
21:30He will avoid... That's probably a stretch. I just didn't have a timetable.
21:34I didn't know the timetable. He's going to avoid the pup list.
21:38He's making good progress. Broderick Jones for the Steelers.
21:40Meanwhile, cornerback Jalen Ramsey is going to be out a few weeks for Pittsburgh.
21:44And Minnesota is signing safety Jamal Adams. Okay. We've got the do not draft list now for Dave and Jamie.
21:50Dave has two lists. One where the ADP is just a little bit off.
21:54We'll fly through that list. And one where the ADP is very off.
21:58And Jamie has a list of players as well.
22:01Headlined by McCaffrey and A-Chan, who we already told you about.
22:04And Josh Jacobs. I guess I'll just ask you real quick about Jacobs.
22:07So the open investigation still into the domestic violence.
22:10He's currently going at the 2-3 turn. 24th, 25th overall.
22:13Nope. No? So, yeah. Where would you take him?
22:16And what do you think the – I don't know if you've been reading up on it or not.
22:21But do you have any idea of whether or not Jacobs might be suspended this year?
22:26It doesn't sound at this moment that he's going to be suspended.
22:29But you never know how the NFL works with these things if he's formally charged and has to face, I don't think, jail time.
22:36But we'll see. Depending on how the case plays itself out.
22:39I'm not a legal expert, so I don't want to speak about that.
22:43But, I mean, we've seen situations like this before.
22:46I was completely the opposite when Ezekiel Elliott was going through his thing.
22:49I said, you absolutely draft him because if this does play itself out where he doesn't see any missed time during the
22:56season, you're getting the best or one of the best running backs at that moment, that time, that point in his career.
23:02So I think Jacobs' mid to end of round three is worth it.
23:06But early part of round three, late round two, there are just other players I think are potentially just as good and a lot less risky.
23:13Okay. All right. Dave, ADP is a little off on five players.
23:17Four of them are wide receivers. Zay Flowers, 40th overall.
23:20Where would you take him? If that's what his ADP is, I'm pretty good with that, actually.
23:25I was seeing his ADP higher than that earlier in the offseason.
23:28I've got him at 40th, so scratch him off the list then.
23:32Cross him off then. Malik Neighbors, 35th, 34th, right around there, depending on CBS versus Sponsor.
23:36I want to race him up my rank list so bad because it sounds like he's not going to be on the pup list, and that's awesome.
23:44But I'm still worried that he's not going to be the full version of himself until maybe the second half of this year.
23:51And I almost think that that's an optimistic outlook.
23:53This one's obviously subject to change. If he starts practicing in two weeks and he looks like his old self, then he's
24:00going to go right back in round two. People are going to be excited about Malik Neighbors because he's ultra talented.
24:06But for now, I just think it's a little too soon to take him in late round three.
24:11Yeah, I took Neighbors around 40th overall, something like that, in our pick-by-pick.
24:15Devontae Adams, he's about wide receiver 24, going around 58th on CBS, 52nd in Fantasy Pros.
24:20This is another wide receiver that has seen his ADP drop since a couple weeks ago in the offseason.
24:25He was going as a late round four, early round five pick.
24:28Now it's more late round five, early round six.
24:31He might become a bargain at some point. If he starts falling into round six, especially in half and non-PPR, I almost
24:37think that that's a bargain because I still think he can get you eight touchdowns over the course of the year.
24:44Just seeing his numbers decline a little bit more, the efficiency has already happened.
24:48The targets have happened over the past couple of seasons.
24:50That could continue on this year. I think late round five is okay.
24:54Okay, yeah. We know Devontae Adams scores touchdowns. 86% of the wide receivers who have scored eight or more touchdowns in the last 10 seasons.
25:01Not over the 10-season span, but in one individual season.
25:04So 86% of eight touchdown scores at wide receiver have averaged 13.4 or more PPR fantasy points per game, which is kind
25:11of the in-between what wide receiver 24 was in 2024 and 2025.
25:14It would have been wide receiver 18 last year.
25:17So if he's going, basically my point is, if Adams is going 24th in ADP, if he scores eight or more touchdowns,
25:23based on the last decade, he's got an 86% chance to likely meet his average draft position.
25:28I'd rather have neighbors than Adams, and obviously the ADP reflects that.
25:32DK, no, sorry. Marvin Harrison Jr. going 68th in CBS 72nd on Fantasy Pros.
25:36Harrison is wide receiver 31 on both sites. I'm a little bit behind that as far as wide receiver rankings go.
25:42I'm basically okay with the ADP. We're seeing a lot of Cardinals highlights because they were one of the first teams to
25:48camp, and they've been practicing a lot. My takeaway from all their highlights is their defense is going to stink this year.
25:54And Marv, there's going to be some sort of a target crunch.
25:58Don't think he can break away as being the top wide receiver in Arizona.
26:02He'll make some good plays, but I just don't know how great of a fit he is as the primary perimeter receiver
26:08in an offense that's just dominated with pass catchers winning over the middle between the numbers.
26:13We saw it in LA, and I think we're going to see something similar to that, that type of build in Arizona.
26:19And if Marvin Harrison is going to be outside and working outside the numbers, his stats have shown that he's not very good there.
26:26And that makes me nervous to put him – what is this, the end of round six?
26:31I guess that's okay. But I still feel like we're drafting him based on his draft capital, his last name, who his
26:38dad is, and not based on what we've seen from him more bad than good over the last two seasons.
26:43The only thing that keeps me going back to Marvin Harrison is what we started with, with Jacoby Brissett, is in the
26:50four games where he played at least 61% of the snaps with Brissett because there were only four.
26:55He averaged 14.4 PPR points per game, and he averaged 8.8 targets per game.
26:59Now, again, are they going to throw as much?
27:02That's the big question. How much more does the new offense change for him and for Michael Wilson?
27:07Wilson was talking about how he's moving, I think, from the Z to the X, the X to the Z.
27:13I forget what you said. X to the Z.
27:15And how much more that's going to benefit his game, which is obvious.
27:19So if he's in different spots, and we've heard the Puga Nakua, Devontae Adams comparison for these two guys, again, don't think
27:25about those two players, but think about those two roles and potential opportunities, mostly from a target standpoint, because it might not
27:32be that far off if they're throwing that much.
27:34But when you factor in everything for all three of these guys, and I'll put Terry McBride in there, and when you're
27:41comparing McBride to Bowers or even McBride to Loveland based on their cost, it's just one of those things where I think
27:47you're looking at Marvin and Wilson specifically. Where they're going makes just a ton of sense, because if they are going to
27:53throw a lot, you're hoping that Marvin Harris and everything Dave said that we're still chasing, again, it did show up with Brissette, and hopefully continues with Brissette.
28:02And Wilson was awesome when Marvin wasn't there, and Marvin got dinged up a little bit in the early practices, as Dave alluded to.
28:09So there's reasons to buy into these guys, as long as you're just not overpaying, and I think that's the biggest thing with him.
28:15So who's moving to the X for them? Well, Marvin, according to...
28:19Oh, they're switching. They'll switch, but I would imagine the Marvin will be on a little bit more.
28:24Yeah. Okay. And Jalen Warren, 77th overall in CBS, 76th in Fantasy Pros, right around RB29.
28:29And I'm basically right there on him, too. And it's still not somebody that I'm excited to draft.
28:34He's more of a settle-for, low-end RB2. I think he and Rico Dowdle could end up being in a very annoying split.
28:40Before we get to Dave's, ADP is a lot off list.
28:44Jamie, is there any one... Let's see, you talked about McCaffrey, HN, and Jacobs.
28:48Um, Trey McBride. This is another one where it's like you like him, you just think he's going a little too early.
28:54And the ADPs are actually quite different. On Fantasy Pros, Trey McBride is tight end 1, going 20th overall.
28:59And on CBS, he's tight end 2, going 28th overall.
29:02Yeah, I love that. This was really... I just kind of took it as who haven't...
29:07I think you put a line in the notes, like, who have you not been drafting?
29:12And I just have not been drafting Trey McBride.
29:14So, like, I took Bowers for the first time in our pick-by-pick, which was...
29:18I had the first overall pick, and I took him at the turn.
29:22I think that's easy. I'm just much more excited about Bowers than I am McBride.
29:26And to me, if I'm going to take McBride, even in the range that he's going on CBS, like, I'd rather just
29:33wait and take one of the other tight ends later.
29:36So, I think we're going to see a little bit of a step back from McBride.
29:40How much? We'll find out. You know, so... Again, he's still awesome.
29:44He should still be the second tight end off the board.
29:47I don't think he comes close to what he did last year.
29:50I certainly don't think he annihilates the field like he did last year.
29:54And if you're going to be early on a tight end, to me, it's easily go Bowers.
29:59Let's go to Dave's. ADP is a lot. He's off a lot.
30:03All right. Brees Hall was the first one you mentioned.
30:05Jamison Williams. He is wide receiver 27 on CBS, 26 in Fantasy Pros.
30:09Fantasy Pros, he's 57th overall. Jamison Williams, Dave, is on your do-not-draft list.
30:13He had 4.8 targets per game in nine games with St.
30:16Brown and Sam Laporta last year. He does not have a great track record of putting up great fantasy numbers when Laporta is healthy.
30:23And now here comes Drew Petzing with a noted history of utilizing multiple tight end personnel and targeting tight ends in his offense.
30:30And I just think that that's part of the reason why the Lions brought him in.
30:34I think the Lions want to be bigger and tougher on offense.
30:38They want to be able to use their tight ends not only to win matchups in the middle of the field, but
30:44also to help block in the run game. That's a strength for Jameer Gibbs.
30:48And Jamison Williams is an awesome talent. I love the talent.
30:52Like literally one of my favorite wide receivers in the league.
30:55But I just don't see the volume being there for him.
30:58And that makes him more of a boom-bust type of number three wide receiver.
31:02And so I hate the idea of getting him where his ADP is.
31:06It's right around 60th overall. That's the end of round five.
31:09I think it's way too soon. End of round six is where I'd start to come in on Jameau.
31:14Jordan Tyson. He is going in the 80s. So that's what round?
31:18Like the 7-8 turn I think he's going, Jordan Tyson.
31:21As wide receiver 36 on both CBS and Fantasy Pros.
31:24I am as a round nine pick. And a late round nine pick at that.
31:28Wow. I, again, a great talent, but not a perfect prospect.
31:31Had a lot of injuries in college. I would almost forgive him for the ACL and the knee issue that he had
31:38that knocked him out for a year. But every other thing that he's had that he's dealt with is a little bit concerning.
31:44Just consistently getting banged up. He was banged up during the offseason for New Orleans.
31:49And I think it'll take him time to adjust to the Saints offense.
31:52And I do think the Saints offense is headed in the right direction as long as Chris Olave is active and playing.
31:59I worry about what type of target volume he's going to have.
32:02And I feel like it's the draft capital and the upside profile that people are just falling in love with.
32:08And it's almost like nothing else matters when the reality of the situation is that he's not the only show in town.
32:14He's not going to see seven plus targets per game.
32:17There's a chance that you'll be without him for chunks of the season.
32:21I can't take him where the ADP is. I don't see the bull case for him.
32:26Okay. So you will not be getting any Jordan Tyson.
32:29Jamie, what do you think about Tyson going, you know, 80, let's say 85th, 86th, somewhere around there?
32:34It feels a little too soon. But again, when you start to get into that range of players, you're looking for upside.
32:40And he has it based on what his potential could be.
32:43But, I mean, Dave's not off with the injury history.
32:46And he has already been banged up, you know, this offseason.
32:49They've been managing his hamstring from a year ago.
32:52I believe it's the hamstring injury that he dealt with from a year ago.
32:56So the only thing that keeps me going back to it is we don't know yet how healthy Olave is.
33:02You know, so he had the blood clot situation this entire offseason.
33:05He's got the concussion history. Like, if he does miss any time, my gosh, Jordan Tyson could be an absolute stud.
33:11So I don't agree with what you said. Like, I still think there's more upside for now, at least with Alec Pierce
33:18in his offense and his situation than there is with Jordan Tyson.
33:21But that's where you're starting to get to. You know, you're talking about wide receiver 33, 34 for Pierce.
33:27And, you know, maybe wide receiver 40 for Jordan Tyson.
33:30So it's not far off if you really want to, you know, just avoid the Pierce injury and pupless situation.
33:35Again, that's not the ideal person to pivot to in Tyson, given his history.
33:39But I just think Kellen Moore's offense, like, you want pieces of that.
33:43It's going to be fun once again. I see Michael Wilson, George Kittle, Parker Washington, Wondell Robinson, all going after Tyson on Fantasy Pros ADP.
33:50I'll take all of them ahead of Tyson. Cool.
33:53I don't know. That was a mix between OK and cool.
33:56And it was like, Cole. DK Metcalf. And he is going 90th on CBS, 82nd and Fantasy Pros, either wide receiver 39,
34:03wide receiver 35, depending on the site. DK Metcalf.
34:05Oh, Dave, you and I are going to have to fight over who is not going to take DK Metcalf.
34:11He had just as many games with under 10 PPR points last year as he did with 14 plus.
34:17And now the Steelers have added not one, but two pass catchers that are definite upgrades for their whole offense.
34:22And the offense is changing. It's Mike McCarthy and his love of slants and shorter throws and types of routes that DK Metcalf can run.
34:30But Michael Pittman's been better at them. Jeremy Bernard in college was better at them.
34:34Aaron Rodgers has some options now. And it just makes me think that the target volume for DK Metcalf might go down a little bit.
34:41The efficiency could go down a lot. And this is not somebody that I want to draft.
34:46I think people are drafting him because of his name.
34:49And once upon a time, he was a great wide receiver.
34:52He was stuck in an offense that rarely challenged downfield last year.
34:56He had his worst per game average in any reception-based format since his rookie year.
35:00I just don't see him turning it around. He averaged barely 12 PPR points per game last year.
35:05I'm going to take the under on that one, Adam.
35:08So is everybody like Pittman better than Metcalf at this point?
35:11Yes, I do. I don't know about Jamie, but I do.
35:14I know Jamie was on the fence. Pittman better than Metcalf.
35:18Not yet. No. Okay. And last one for Dave is Kenny Kenneth.
35:21Ken Gainwell of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. He is right around pick 100 as RB35.
35:25And I get the idea of why you'd love him after what happened last year.
35:30He had 5.1 targets per game, but I think that's more because of Aaron Rodgers more than anything else.
35:35I don't think he'll see that same type of target volume.
35:38I do think he's going to be in the Rashad White role.
35:42That role has usually been around three and a half to four targets per game.
35:46And I don't know how many carries he's going to take away on a week-to-week basis as long as Bucky Irving is okay.
35:53Now, we know the track record with Bucky isn't great.
35:56I'll submit that because he's going after 100th overall, it's not that bad of a pick if you're taking him in round nine.
36:02I'd rather get him in round 10, maybe even round 11.
36:06Certainly round 11 if it's non-PPR. In full PPR, I get it.
36:09He's going to have some good value, and he could be a decent flex and potential spot starter for your fantasy team.
36:16But don't go into this year thinking that he's going to be the exact same guy that he was last year when
36:22he was averaging 13 PPR points per game. I don't think that's going to happen.
36:26Now, Johnny Airport points out in the chat that I could not afford to draft DK Metcalf because I spent all of
36:33my auction money on handcuffs to start the draft.
36:35I think the point that I was not making well enough was that I think Jameer Gibbs has the potential to be insanely good this year.
36:43And I'm happy to overpay for him and Pacheco because in an auction, if you draft Jameer Gibbs, you're going to limit
36:49– if you spend a lot on Jameer Gibbs, you're going to limit the rest of your roster.
36:54You have – I think you really have to get Pacheco because I think Pacheco is the best handcuff in fantasy this year.
37:01Jamie, I love how he's making this point now that Dan left the private chat.
37:05No, he's not. Dan's still here. He's still – Dan is spamming our YouTube chat.
37:10You should let Dan on just to have him coming.
37:13I don't want Dan on – Dan on, we'll never get to the do not avoid list or the do not draft list.
37:19We just got through half the do not draft list.
37:22Yeah, and now we've got to talk about George Pickens for Jamie and Travis Etienne or HN and Jeremiah Love.
37:28We can do that when we come back. I just want to point out Kenneth Gainwell mentioned the Rashad White role.
37:34That was a pretty lousy role as it turned out once they decided Bucky Irving was their guy.
37:39In 10 games with Bucky Irving last year, Rashad White averaged 6.2 points per game.
37:44And if you look at 2024, they kind of decided last four games of the year, I think two regular season, two playoff in 2024, Bucky's our guy.
37:52Rashad White, he barely got any work. Yeah, I just think the money that they paid him and what Bucky Irving happened
37:58with him last year, I think Gainwell's going to have a pretty significant role in the past game.
38:03All right. All right. Well, let's take a break.
38:06I'm very curious to see why George Pickens is on Jamie's do not draft list going at the 2-3 turn.
38:12We'll be right back on FFT. Perhaps Jamie not swayed by the George Pickens-CD Lamb discussion yesterday.
38:17But all right. You have McCaffrey and HN. We talked about them.
38:20Josh Jacobs, Trey McBride. We talked about them on your do not draft list.
38:24Why is George Pickens here? He's wide receiver nine at the 2-3 turn.
38:28Yeah, it's not so much that I would not draft him.
38:31It's that I have not drafted him, and I probably will continue to avoid him just with the other receivers going around him.
38:38So once A.J. Brown's ADP officially passes him, that's an easy one for me because I like A.J.
38:43Brown's situation better. And like I said yesterday, I like Devontae Smith better than George Pickens.
38:48So when I get to that range of receivers, I just think Pickens is going to take a step back.
38:53I think we're going to see a better CD Lamb.
38:56I think we're going to see less volume in the passing attack across the board for the Cowboys.
39:01And so Pickens just makes me a little nervous.
39:04So still, I love him at that value. It's where I usually see him go middle of round two.
39:10That makes me a little queasy. But he's just somebody I haven't drafted yet, and that's kind of why I put him on the list.
39:17Did you say Nico? I would take Nico over him, yeah.
39:20So Nico, AJ Brown, and Devontae Smith over Pickens.
39:23Dave, how do you feel about that? Not Devontae Smith, but the rest for sure.
39:27How long? And I would take both tight ends ahead of George Pickens, too.
39:31McBride and Bowers. You know, I had a stat in the notes that I decided after my incredibly insightful auction strategy discussion.
39:37I got rid of the stat. It was about CJ Stroud.
39:40This is from CBS Sports Research. Oh, I wish I hadn't deleted it.
39:44But he's the first quarterback. Let's see. Only quarterback in NFL history with a passing yards per game drop of 50-plus from
39:51year one to years two and three. Yes. So he is 50 yards worse per game in years two and three than he was in year one.
39:58Now, part of the reason for that is he's left some games with injuries, and it's really knocked that number down.
40:05But, yeah, CJ Stroud just hasn't been very good.
40:07I'm a huge Nico Collins fan, but I saw that stat, and I remember he had, what, 10 fumbles or something like that in two playoff games?
40:15He had something crazy, ridiculous amount of turnovers in two playoff games.
40:18And, you know, you've got the stability of Dak Prescott there.
40:22So when you compare those two players specifically, am I making a case for Pickens over Nico Collins?
40:27I would take Nico, but the quarterback is just, Jamie, it's not even close, really.
40:31Yeah. I mean, when you look at it, sure.
40:34You could probably make the same argument for Pickens versus Drake London if you're concerned about the quarterbacks, right?
40:39So, like, when you start to look at some of the guys there, Justin Jefferson, you know, and the quarterbacks.
40:45So sometimes you've got to have a little bit, I guess, blind faith in that the quarterback and the coaching staff and
40:51the offense, et cetera, will hopefully overcome some of the inconsistent quarterback play or, you know, in the case of CJ Stroud, poor quarterback play.
40:59But, you know, Nico's going to get fed targets.
41:01And I think Stroud is good enough that he can support at least one wide receiver at a high level, as we've seen.
41:08Five fumbles and five interceptions in two playoff games.
41:11The second, I think both of them were bad weather.
41:13The second one definitely at New England was terrible weather.
41:16Yep. All right. Back to Jamie's do not draft list.
41:19Blame it on the rain. And that's the thing with the do not draft list.
41:24For me, I have a lot of guys that are kind of like Pickens, where it's not that I don't like them.
41:30It's that I clearly like guys in the same range better, and I just never end up drafting them.
41:35Yep. It's not saying Pickens is a bust. Just saying that there are other guys I prefer.
41:40And you know who a guy is for me is Jefferson.
41:44I have not gotten myself to draft Justin Jefferson.
41:46Me neither. Me neither. How come? Because, again, there's so many guys at the one-two turn that I love.
41:52Right. Yeah. So, I don't know. I haven't drafted Jefferson yet.
41:55I just don't see him getting back north of 18 PPR points per game with Kyler.
41:59He's going to be better than he was last year.
42:02He's an easy bounce back candidate. Had him on my bounce back list.
42:06But I think if you're drafting with the idea he's around 16 per game, that's great.
42:11And he should be able to hit that. But that's closer to the one-two turn, maybe even early round two.
42:17Rather than top 12. Top 10. All right. I think with Jefferson, I saw the failure last year.
42:22And I fear it won't be nearly that bad.
42:24Correct. I think 16 is the floor. Yeah. But 16 would be disappointing, I think, in the first round.
42:30Right. If you're taking him as a top 10 pick, I think you'd be a little underwhelmed if it's 16.
42:36All right, Jamie. Jeremiah Love going 30th on CBS, 21st on Fantasy Pros.
42:39I know there's no way you're taking him in the second round.
42:43Would you take him 30th, Jeremiah Love? In that range, yeah.
42:46It's just, again, another player that I haven't drafted much.
42:49And when you get to that spot, there's usually receivers on the board that I like better.
42:54So like Abuka, I would take over him. Certainly Devontae Smith, I would take over him at this point.
42:59He's still, for me, in the Josh Jacobs discussion, you know, Kyron Williams discussion.
43:03So depending on what I did in the first two rounds, do I want a safer player in round three or somebody with...
43:10I just don't love the fact that we're going to see, as of now, is really hoping that they would make a
43:16move to get rid of James Conner. Because it sounds like they're going to still use Conner to some degree.
43:22Algiers is going to have an opportunity here. And then a team that will run the ball better than they did a year ago, they were completely miserable.
43:30I still don't think this is a great rushing offense and a team that is going to struggle defensively.
43:36And you've heard in the two episodes we had on with Scott Turner, it's hard to give running backs enough carries in
43:42the fourth quarter when they're chasing points. And in this case, probably chasing points by double digits.
43:47So I think just Jeremiah Love is going to have a lot of great moments.
43:52I think you definitely want him on your dynasty roster, long-term keeper leagues.
43:55But it just feels like we could be in a situation where it's Ashton Gentty worse.
44:00You know, because Gentty didn't have a competition last year.
44:03Love is going to have a lot of competition.
44:05Here's a thought exercise that I went through, and I'd love to hear your answer, both of you.
44:11What would have to happen for you to move Jeremiah Love up into a second-round pick in your rankings?
44:16Top 24 pick you'd be comfortable taking. What would have to happen?
44:20Nothing. Certainly an injury or a move for one of the other running backs would be the starting point.
44:25So Algier or Conor getting injured or Conor getting moved.
44:28Probably some of the guys in front of him, you know, dealing with injuries or concerns.
44:33That's probably the bigger part of this is, you know, who of the top 24 guys has to move down for whatever reason.
44:39You know, so I think that's part of it also.
44:42But it just – we've fallen victim to this as an industry, and I know I have, of here's B.
44:48John Robinson, and here's where he was drafted, and here's what he did in college, and all these things.
44:53Oh, and his talent will overcome the situation. And it didn't happen for B.
44:58John in his rookie season because of Tyler Algier.
45:00And then we get to the next guy, which was Ashton Gentty, and everything is perfect, and there's no competition for targets.
45:06Oh, the offensive line stinks, but he's too good.
45:09He'll overcome it, blah, blah, blah. Right. And he struggles.
45:12So I just – for me, like, I want to view Love, and I wrote this in his player outlook and I think in some other stories.
45:20Like, if you just took Ashton Gentty's numbers and said he was – I think he was the 14th running back.
45:26Like, that's fine for a rookie season. It's absolutely great, you know, for what – how he did on the team that he was on.
45:33It's just we were so disappointed because we had such higher expectations.
45:37Right. And so if Jeremiah Love does that, where now he's ranked in that range, then I think, okay, you know what the expectations are.
45:44And if he lives up to those expectations, you know you got a very good number two running back.
45:49I think if everybody went into it last year and saying Ashton Gentty's going to be a really good number two running
45:56back, you would have been fine with it. Just the fact that you took him in the first round and you took
46:02him, in some cases, over some pretty good players, and then you just were left disappointed.
46:07So I think if you just understand what Jeremiah Love is and the situation that he's in right now, like, he can be better than that.
46:14But I don't know how much worse he'll be.
46:17That's the thing. Right. You went to the same exact place I went to.
46:21The only thing I would add is if we hear, like, the offensive line is better, maybe they make an addition to it in Arizona.
46:28And maybe I'm wrong about the Cardinals' defense sucking, and they're actually going to play better, and they look better in joint practices.
46:35I don't even know if they have a joint practice.
46:38I think they do. But stuff like that. Yeah, I need, like, wholesale change in the running back room in Arizona.
46:44Plus, more bad news about Kyron Williams. Bad news about Josh Jacobs to move Jeremiah Love.
46:48And B. John's rookie year and Ashton Gentry's rookie year, they were almost identical in PPR points per game.
46:54B. John was 14.5. Ashton was 14.4. I think if you draft Jeremiah Love at 14, I think you'll be a happy camper.
47:01And I think that that's reasonable to expect in a middle round three pick.
47:05Yeah. See, I would give B. John more fantasy points than that because of the migraine game.
47:10But you know me. I started him in the migraine game and got no points.
47:14But it didn't really, it doesn't, when we look back at it, it doesn't reflect how good he was when he actually played.
47:21And he wasn't that great. I mean, he still wouldn't have been worth what he was picked, no question.
47:26I don't, you know, I look at round two and I look at the 2-3 turn and I don't think there's much
47:32that could get love there because I think round two is loaded.
47:36And I know we could play this, we could play this soundbite in January and I could sound like an idiot because
47:42there could be a bunch of busts. But when I look at the players going in round two, I just see so many good players.
47:49And at the 2-3 turn, we're talking about A.J.
47:52Brown and George Pickens and Nico Collins and Rasheed Rice.
47:55I mean, Rasheed Rice is going 26th. I don't know how updated that is.
47:59Oh, I love that. That's crazy. Derek Henry going 21st.
48:02You know, Ken Walker might fall there. You got the tight ends and Bowers and McBride.
48:07It's like, I just... And that's not including the quarterbacks if they get there.
48:11Yeah, right now it's only Josh Allen. He's there, but I don't know.
48:14It's hard for Jeremiah Love to crack the top 24 when you've got established, proven players that are really good, which is
48:21why I really want an early pick this year.
48:23Okay. Anywho, Travis Etienne, really excited to hear your thoughts on this.
48:27He's RB18 on CBS and Fantasy Pros. He's going around 40th overall.
48:30So, early to mid round four, you're out if that's the value on Travis Etienne?
48:35Yeah, I'm pretty much out altogether. I think, you know, round five if he's there, clearly I'll be interested.
48:40But if he's in the round four range, early round five range, I'm just concerned because what we saw from what we've
48:47seen from Kellen Moore, he just does not involve his running backs in the passing game to the level that I think
48:53that Travis Etienne needs to be involved. And so you look at it, it's been 20th or worse in running back total targets.
49:00I don't have the exact number in front of me, but he's had some really good pass-catching running backs.
49:05Saquon Barkley and Kenneth Gainwell on the same roster did not get involved in the passing game.
49:10You had last year where Camaro missed a good portion of the season, but we know he wasn't headed in that direction.
49:16And I think they were bottom five in terms of total running back targets.
49:20He had Austin Eckler for a season. That was his best in terms of his last five seasons.
49:26That was actually 20th. And he had Ezekiel Elliott and Tony Pollard.
49:29Didn't involve those guys in the passing game either.
49:32So it's just one of those situations. Dude, Zeke had three straight years with 47 or more catches, though.
49:37I almost think that that's more of a byproduct.
49:40I'm just talking total running back targets. Yeah, it's just, okay, I totally get what you're saying.
49:45If Camaro is an issue, which I think you'd probably expect him to be, then that's one thing.
49:50But if ETN is getting most of those targets, then it's really not a big deal, I think, if the running back team targets.
49:57Okay. I don't think we're going to get necessarily he's not involved in the passing game completely.
50:02This is just not something that's going to enhance his game because it's just not something that he does to a high level.
50:08So when you have guys that have done it at a high level and then they're seeing some of their numbers decline.
50:15So 47 for Zeke is great. I think that's wonderful.
50:18I don't know if Travis Achan gets there in this offense if Camaro stays healthy.
50:22Now, granted, Camaro 31 didn't stay healthy last season.
50:25But if you're going to keep him on the roster, why would you not use that as the primary option in his role?
50:31Yeah. His primary role. Because that's what he's done as well, if not better than most running backs in the league.
50:37So now you're hoping for the touchdown potential here for Travis Achan.
50:41You've talked about this a lot. He's never been a good goal line option.
50:45Never. And so what we've seen from him in two or four seasons has been miserable.
50:50Two or four seasons have been very solid. I think he's going to be good.
50:54He's still ranked as a top 20 running back for me.
50:57I just don't want to take him in round four.
51:00Like, I'd rather take a chance on the upside.
51:03And granted, you could debate the upside. The upside of Quinshawn Judkins, Cam Scadaboo.
51:07I'm trying to think who else I have ranked ahead of him.
51:10I don't know if I've switched. Yeah, Bucky, you have Brees Hall ranked ahead of him?
51:15I definitely have Brees Hall ranked ahead of him.
51:17What about DeAndre Swift, David Montgomery? No, I have him ahead of Montgomery.
51:21So it's like that kind of fall off for me.
51:24I just don't think he's going to be great.
51:27I think we're getting a regression situation for him.
51:29I wish Camaro was gone because I do think then 47 catches, maybe 50 catches, is still within the realm of possibility.
51:36And you can still get Kellen Moore having a decreased number of reception totals there or targets for his running backs.
51:42It's just it's not something that he caters to.
51:44And I think these type of players need that hat to have part of their game to get them to the fantasy production that we need to get.
51:52Yeah, I mean, I totally see your point. I just feel like there aren't that many guys after the first couple rounds that are every down backs.
52:00I mean, there's hardly any. I don't think he's an every down back.
52:04Yeah, right. But that's the thing is he's being drafted in the range of other non-every down backs.
52:09Scadaboo actually could be based on last year. I mean, not an every down back, but he's going to play on third down based on last year.
52:17Bucky Irving probably isn't. Quinchon Judkins isn't. DeAndre Swift, you know, he might play some third downs, but we know he's going to be in a split.
52:25These are the guys going after him. Travion Henderson.
52:27So, I guess the knock you have on ETN, I feel like would be a similar knock for every other running back in his range.
52:35Even Brees Hall. Goal line and passing downs, right?
52:37Absolutely. Yeah, we'll see about that one. But yeah.
52:40At least each hand's on an offense that should put up a lot of points, and that's a saving grace for him.
52:46I don't think he hasn't been an efficient runner very much over the course of his career.
52:51He's much more of a compiler than anything else, but he's been consistent for fantasy.
52:56He's been seventh in consistency for fantasy two of the last three seasons.
52:59You just need him to get north of 15 touches a game.
53:03And that's what kind of saved him last year was that he averaged 17.4 touches per game.
53:08And if he can come close to that in New Orleans while staying healthy on a team that's got a good offensive
53:14line, I think they've got a good enough offensive line anyway.
53:17Terrible defense. Should score a lot of points. I do like the upside of this offense overall.
53:22Yeah, I think A-Chen can return good value as a round four pick.
53:26I might be in the minority there. I struggle a lot with it.
53:30I see all of Jamie's points. I also see Kamara as arguably one of the worst rushers in football for a while.
53:36And last year he was terrible, at least his efficiency, as a receiver, although I think those are kind of fluky stats.
53:42And he's 31 and he gets hurt. So I've been kind of pro-ETN, but in the back of my mind is always everything that Jamie just said there.
53:51I mean, I totally see where you're coming from.
53:53He's a tough one for me. Ted Earl McMillan is on your do not draft list.
53:58He's going in the same range as Travis Etienne.
54:00We talked about this a lot recently. I think just looking at it with how Bryce Young is going to operate, how
54:07Jalen Coker impacted McMillan down the stretch last season, the offensive tackles not being there for the start of the season, maybe
54:13into the middle part of the season. Who knows?
54:16Just in terms of their injuries, blood clot situation, et cetera.
54:19So I think McMillan is very good. I think he's a good number two running back, a number two receiver.
54:25Again, I see the numbers here from Sportsline, their projections.
54:28127 targets, 74 catches, 1,094 yards, seven touchdowns. They have him as a 25 receiver.
54:32It's kind of where he finished last year. So if I can get him in this range, I'm okay with it.
54:38But he's just not somebody that I – when I see him going round three, I'm like, okay, somebody else took that chance.
54:45I don't want to do it. Right. I'm going to ask you about two other running backs.
54:50I'll group them in with Etienne. You have Etienne – sorry, HN, Travis HN.
54:54You have both HNs. You have Bucky Irving who's going in the fourth round.
54:58And Travion Henderson who's going in the fifth round.
55:00So those are running backs 18, 19, and 22 or 23, somewhere between 18 and 23.
55:05That's Travis HN, Bucky Irving, and Travion Henderson. If you're not drafting them, who are you drafting at running back in that range, rounds four, five-ish?
55:12I'm probably not drafting a running back. But if I was, it would probably be lower.
55:17I'd probably wait for Montgomery who I think would be a steal.
55:21I probably would be in on – I'd be in on Swift over Irving and Henderson.
55:25Judkins if he's there. Okay. Those are the names I was going to – And then if I miss on those guys,
55:32it's probably because I went with a running back, running back start or I'm just stockpiling receivers here, mostly in the three-receiver league.
55:38So I probably would take three receivers and a flex.
55:41And then I would just start throwing darts at a Pollard, a Hubbard.
55:45Tootin. Rashad White. Tootin. Gainwell. You know, those type of guys in PPR where I'll just try and hope to get one,
55:51if not two, Jalen Warren, Rico Dowdle, one of those two guys.
55:55Like I'll reference the pick-by-pick draft that we did because that was the first overall pick.
55:59I started with Jameer Gibbs, Brock Bowers, Devontae Smith, DJ Moore, Quinshawn Judkins.
56:03And then it was Marvin Harrison and Cardinal Tate.
56:06And then it was Shua Hubbard and Rico Dowdle.
56:08So a little bit different because I already had two running backs there, but kind of to the point.
56:14And then the other draft at seventh overall, I started running back, running back.
56:18I didn't take another running back until J.K. Dobbins in round eight.
56:21So same type of scenario. Just pass on that whole group.
56:25Cool. Last guy is Caleb Williams. QB 10 on CBS, QB 9 on Fantasy Pros, 105th on CBS, 91st on Fantasy Pros.
56:31I kind of feel like his ADP has gotten a little lower.
56:34It's gotten a lot better. It's just somebody – this isn't somebody that I would pass on, just somebody I haven't drafted yet.
56:41Kind of the reason why he was going too soon.
56:44So as he continues to fall, I like it.
56:47I know one guy you don't like, which I'm curious how you feel about Justin Herbert versus Caleb Williams.
56:52But I think there's much more upside with Herbert.
56:55I think there's much more upside with Trevor Lawrence.
56:57Not much more upside, but more upside with Trevor Lawrence.
57:00I think Caleb Williams is going to be good.
57:03I just don't know if he's going to break through that ceiling like we're hoping for.
57:07So I'll take the over on the sports line projections that you're looking at.
57:11I do think he gets the first 4,000-yard season in Bears history, if you say so.
57:16Obviously, we're all excited about the receiving core here to various degrees of Colston Love and Luther Byrd and Romo Dunze.
57:22And so Caleb showed a lot of great things at the end of last season.
57:27I just don't know if he's going to crack the top five.
57:30And I think there's a chance that Herbert and Lawrence could crack the top five.
57:34Yeah, you said I don't like Herbert. It's the same thing.
57:38I do like Herbert quite a bit. I just – I'm sorry.
57:41He was on your do not draft. Yeah, on my do not draft list in this like your George Pickens is – I like Herbert a lot.
57:49I just feel like I don't think that he or Caleb Williams is necessarily that much better than Brock Purdy or Jared
57:55Goff or Matthew Stafford or Trevor Lawrence. And I see Herbert and Caleb sort of being at the top of that group in ADP.
58:02So I don't mind taking them, especially if they're going around 100th.
58:06Williams was going in like the 70s or something like that.
58:09I mean, he was going super early, maybe the 80s.
58:12But around 100th, it's 90th, 100th, whatever. It's totally fine.
58:15I just think it's a pretty big group of quarterbacks who could all finish top five around there.
58:20And I don't want to take the first or the second one.
58:23Herbert, yeah, I know you love Herbert. And we'll get to him tomorrow on the quarterbacks preview.
58:28Just, you know, dug into it yesterday. I'm optimistic for him.
58:31You know, the setup is so good. He could have the best receiving core of his career.
58:36He could have the best offensive line of his career.
58:39The best offensive coordinator of his career. That's all awesome.
58:42But he's only been great twice. And both of those years, he averaged more than 39 pass attempts per game.
58:48So I just, I haven't seen it that he can be, sorry.
58:51I haven't seen that he can be like a standout in yards per attempt.
58:55But then again, he's a better player than Tua Tungvaluwa.
58:58And if Tua Tungvaluwa could be a standout in yards per attempt, then I guess Herbert can too.
59:04Then again, Ladd McConkie, Quentin Johnson, they're not Tyreek Hill, Jalen Waddell.
59:07So I have a lot of thoughts, but ultimately I think he's really good, has a chance to be great.
59:13But I think a lot of quarterbacks do. I just don't want to take the first one in that group.
59:19Right. All right. So quarterback preview tomorrow. You know what?
59:21I'm going to leave you with this. Quarterback was really bad last year, in my opinion.
59:26And we are approaching it this year as if it's really, really good.
59:30And four of the first five picks last year at quarterback were busts.
59:34Josh Allen was not. And then it was Lamar Jackson, Jane Daniels, Joe Burrow, and Jalen Hurts.
59:39I would call Hurts a slight bust. The other three pretty obvious busts.
59:42And Lamar Jackson was tearing it up before his injury, but it still happened.
59:46Yet we are approaching this year like, oh, quarterback is so deep.
59:50And I think it's true. So why is that?
59:52We'll talk to you about that tomorrow. Thanks a lot to Dave and Jamie.
59:56Thanks a lot to Dan for stirring it up in the chat.
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