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Myles to Go: Discussing the Garrett and Brown Trades

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1 hr 13 min
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Jun 3, 2026
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Wed, June 3, 2026
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Myles GarrettA.J. BrownDrake MayeJared VerseKenneth Walker IIIGeorge PickensJayden DanielsJustin JeffersonMalik WillisBrock PurdyByron YoungCaleb LomuCeeDee LambJalen Hurts
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A.J. Brown

PositiveProjection0:30

Over the past four years, Brown has 18 receiving touchdowns on 20+ air yard throws, ranking number one in the NFL in that stretch, demonstrating elite deep ball production.

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NegativeRole0:30

Brown was unhappy in Philadelphia and the dismal fit between player and scheme was one of the worst-kept secrets in the league, contributing to the trade.

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PositiveMatchup0:30

Drake May is a better passer than Jalen Hurts and on the short list for best deep ball throwers in the NFL, which should significantly improve Brown's production given his elite deep ball threat ability.

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PositiveMatchup0:31

Brown is the best tight window receiver in the NFL over the last three years, ranking first in yards per route run, catches, and first downs on tight window throws—a perfect fit for Drake May's strengths.

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PositiveRole0:36

Brown is likely motivated to prove skeptics wrong after the trade, similar to Stefan Diggs' trajectory when traded from Minnesota to Buffalo, potentially unlocking his best performance.

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NegativeInjury0:37

Brown's knee is something to monitor, and if the trade backfires, that would likely be the reason given his age (28) and injury history.

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PositiveProjection18:55

Brown will be receiving passes from either Jalen Hurts or Drake Maye, both of whom are ranked in the top five at quarterback.

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Brock Purdy

PositiveProjection17:21

Purdy was unbelievable for the last four or five games of the season, except when playing Seattle, making him a popular second-quarterback pairing option.

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Byron Young

PositiveRole0:10

Byron Young is a very good young defensive player for the Rams who will benefit from playing alongside Myles Garrett and the elite pass rush group.

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Caleb Lomu

PositiveRole0:34

Lomu, the Patriots' first-round pick, has a pathway to being their sixth offensive lineman this year, which is fine given he's a really good player.

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CeeDee Lamb

PositiveProjection30:57

Lamb is preferred over George Pickens and is ranked inside the top 10 for wide receivers, offering more reliability despite both being ridiculously talented.

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Drake Maye

PositiveProjection0:31

May was the best quarterback on tight window throws last year in precision pass rate, QBR, and completion percentage over expected, demonstrating elite accuracy in tight spaces.

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PositiveProjection0:31

May was excellent at tight window throws last season and is really good at throwing guys open, making him an ideal fit for AJ Brown's skill set.

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NegativeMatchup0:32

In the postseason, May struggled against press coverage, going 4 for 17, with instances of receivers not getting open, suggesting the receiving group got exposed in the playoffs.

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PositiveProjection0:33

May is the truth as a quarterback and should be in the conversation for the first overall pick if starting a franchise, with potential for significant improvement in year three.

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PositiveProjection18:55

Maye is ranked either fourth or fifth at quarterback and will be throwing passes to A.J. Brown.

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George Pickens

PositiveProjection30:57

Pickens is ranked inside the top 10 for wide receivers and is part of a walking top-five offense with Dak Prescott.

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NegativeBust31:56

Pickens comes with more risk than Lamb due to being on a contract year with the Cowboys, which creates incentive to sit out with minor injuries, and his history of three-game hot streaks followed by meltdowns.

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Jalen Hurts

PositiveProjection18:55

Hurts is ranked either fourth or fifth at quarterback and will be throwing passes to A.J. Brown.

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Jared Goff

PositiveProjection17:39

The analyst is rostering Jared Goff as one of his two quarterbacks and feels pretty good about the pairing.

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Jared Verse

PositiveValue0:02

Jared Verse was the biggest shock of the Myles Garrett trade, and at pick 19 he was one of the best-case scenarios for the Rams, making him well worth a first-round pick in the compensation.

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PositiveRole0:22

Verse has a good floor as a rusher and is already elite as a run defender, ranking second only to Max Crosby in ESPN's run stop win metric over the last two years among edge rushers.

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PositiveProjection0:22

Verse is an elite pass rusher who has not yet reached his prime, with 10 fewer pressures than Garrett since entering the NFL but comparable elite production for a late first-round pick.

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PositiveValue0:22

Verse is worth the trade compensation as a late first-round pick alternative, with three years of cost control remaining and a good floor as a rusher.

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Javon Baker

PositiveProjection0:31

Baker was quite good during the regular season, especially against man coverage, and really emerged as a receiver, though the receiving group got exposed in the postseason.

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Jayden Daniels

PositiveProjection16:57

Daniels is ranked as quarterback three, behind Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson, with significant upside due to his rushing ability and superior passing talent compared to Kyler Murray.

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PositiveRole17:34

Daniels will definitely be running a lot in general, and even a down year for him would likely include around 400 rushing yards, providing a strong fantasy floor.

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Jaylen Watson

PositiveRole0:13

Jalen Watson is a very good tackling corner acquired by the Rams who complements the Myles Garrett addition well, as Garrett's speed will force quarterbacks to get rid of the ball quickly into Watson's coverage.

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Jeremiyah Love

PositiveProjection27:37

Love is the one Cardinals player the analyst is not scared off by, implying he has standalone value despite the quarterback situation.

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Josh Allen

PositiveProjection18:45

Allen is ranked as the number one quarterback in the analyst's rankings.

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Justin Jefferson

PositiveProjection25:05

Jefferson is a 10th overall pick in the draft and should benefit from the upgrade at quarterback with Kyler Murray, who has had great chemistry with wide receiver ones in the past.

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NegativeBust25:33

Jefferson was the single least enjoyable player to watch in fantasy football last season, finishing with only 824 yards despite being arguably the best wide receiver in the NFL.

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Kenneth Walker III

PositiveProjection21:43

Walker is projected to have a monster year with an estimated 280+ carries plus 50 touches, with no clear competition for the role despite the Seahawks drafting Emmett Johnson.

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PositiveRole22:00

Walker was so clearly the guy the Seahawks wanted, and it feels like they wanted him as much as basically any team wanted a single player in free agency this offseason.

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PositiveProjection23:39

Walker is ranked around 12th overall and is expected to have a big year in the Chiefs offense.

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Kobie Turner

PositiveRole0:03

Kobe Turner is a building block defensive player for the Rams who will benefit from playing alongside Myles Garrett, as the elite pass rusher will draw double teams and create opportunities for the rest of the defensive line.

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Kyler Murray

PositiveProjection27:08

Kyler is undeniably an upgrade at quarterback for the Cardinals, but there is concern about whether he can get his deep ball back, which has really fallen off.

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Lamar Jackson

PositiveProjection18:45

Jackson is ranked as the number two quarterback in the analyst's rankings.

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Malik Willis

PositiveValue16:40

Willis is free in drafts, not being selected in the first 16 rounds of a 10-team ESPN league on average, making him a perfect late-round flier as a second quarterback option.

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PositiveRole17:06

Willis can run the football effectively, which provides fantasy value despite the thin wide receiver room around him.

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Matthew Stafford

PositiveProjection0:18

Matthew Stafford is the Rams' quarterback, and while some have raised concerns about what happens if he goes down, every team with a great quarterback faces similar injury risk.

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Myles Garrett

PositiveProjection0:03

Myles Garrett is literally first in every possible statistic and is the best defensive player in the NFL, making the Rams trade a clear upside and win for Los Angeles.

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NegativeProjection0:06

Garrett will be 33-34 years old in 2028-2029 when the Rams' draft capital runs out, and the team is going all-in on the current roster iteration in a short-termist approach, similar to their previous all-in move that resulted in a wretched season.

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PositiveProjection0:07

Garrett's contract is relatively cheap at $40 million per year, but he may request a raise given his elite performance, and the Rams were likely aware of this possibility before making the trade.

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PositiveProjection0:09

Garrett showed no signs of slowing down last season at age 30, with unbelievable quickness and production, and broke the single-season sack record with 23 sacks.

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PositiveMatchup0:10

Garrett will benefit from playing for the Rams, who have a better surrounding defensive cast (Kobe Turner, Brayden Fisk, Byron Young) and will face more consequential games against strong opponents like Seattle and San Francisco twice yearly.

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PositiveRole0:10

Garrett will get more opportunities to pin his ears back and rush with the Rams winning more frequently than the Browns, and every game will be consequential, unlike his time in Cleveland where the foot was off the pedal in blowout losses.

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PositiveProjection0:11

While Garrett will see fewer double teams with better surrounding talent on the Rams, he will also face the best of the best more consistently in consequential games, making it uncertain whether his stats will be decidedly more or less dominant than in Cleveland.

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PositiveUsage0:12

Garrett was the most chipped player in the league in recent years, second only to T.J. Watt last year, meaning other Rams defensive linemen will benefit significantly from his presence drawing double teams.

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PositiveProjection0:13

Garrett had the fastest get-off in all of football at 0.70 seconds according to Next Gen Stats, and the Rams' pass rush was more power-oriented with Jared Verse, lacking any player in the top 70 for get-off, so quarterbacks will have to get rid of the ball much quicker.

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NegativeRole0:18

Garrett's absence from Browns voluntary activities became noticeable—he attended Cavs playoff games while skipping Browns offseason work, signaling his dissatisfaction with the team.

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NegativeRole0:20

Garrett's frustrations about playing for a losing team did not go away, and the Browns aren't expected to win meaningfully this year, setting up another potential departure next offseason with Garrett a year older.

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NegativeProjection0:40

Similar to TJ Watt's trajectory, Garrett may be past his peak performance level, with some people feeling his best years were a couple of years ago.

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Patrick Mahomes

PositiveProjection17:08

Mahomes had a pedestrian year in many ways but finished in the top eight scoring eight times out of 14 games played due to his rushing ability, demonstrating the value of a running quarterback.

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Romeo Doubs

PositiveRole0:35

Dobbs is a phenomenal number two receiver who will benefit from AJ Brown's presence on the field, allowing the entire receiving room to work better.

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Stefon Diggs

PositiveBreakout0:36

Diggs was traded from Minnesota to Buffalo and immediately was motivated to prove everybody wrong, recording 444 catches over the next four seasons.

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Trent McDuffie

PositiveRole0:13

Trent McDuffie is a very good tackling corner acquired by the Rams who complements the Myles Garrett addition well, as Garrett's speed will force quarterbacks to get rid of the ball quickly into McDuffie's coverage.

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Trevor Lawrence

PositiveProjection17:10

Trevor Lawrence was especially great for the last eight games of the season, making him one of the more popular quarterback pairings in mock drafts this offseason.

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Trey McBride

PositiveProjection30:15

McBride is one of the analyst's all-time favorites, and he is desperately hoping that McBride can still thrive despite the Cardinals' quarterback situation.

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Ty Simpson

PositiveProjection0:16

Ty Simpson was the Rams' draft pick, and whether it was a good selection won't be known until he plays; the decision to take a quarterback despite trading for Myles Garrett is defensible given uncertainty about receiver and offensive tackle performance.

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Episode Transcript

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0:03One of the hosts is rooting against the Knicks because they got a cat on their roster.
0:08That's Lenny. I think you've used that one before.
0:11But I like the Knicks field. I don't know.
0:14Do you have a strong lean in the NBA Finals?
0:17I don't. I'm from Boston, so probably anti-Knicks would be how I, if I had to pick between one of those two
0:23teams, I would probably pick the Spurs based off that principle here, Mina.
0:27But I'm happy, as company individuals, we are thrilled.
0:30That ESPN not only gets the New York Knicks, largest media market in the country, but also Victor Wembanyama.
0:36This could be the first of several trips to the NBA Finals, but the first carries a slightly different meaning to it.
0:42So I am pumped for tomorrow night. Have you been following the whole, who is the NFL equivalent of Wembe conversation on Twitter?
0:49In fact, I think Nicky Manwari crowned himself NFL Wembe, if I saw that correctly somewhere.
0:54Yeah, I would say that right now, Nicky Manwari has the right to say about whatever he wants to say.
1:00So if he wants to take the, I am the Victor Wembe-Yama of the NFL crown, it is his.
1:06So I've also seen the Jalen Brunson. I've seen the Jalen Brunson of the NFL parallel drawn by our colleague Adam Schefter,
1:12who opined, sort of like Drew Brees going to New Orleans.
1:16Right? A player who was viewed one way, goes to a franchise, completely changes the culture and also the success of said franchise.
1:23And if Brunson can lead the Knicks to the championship, he would be viewed as definitely a Drew Brees type figure in New York.
1:30Well, in my view, if there is an equivalent to Wembe in so far as an NFL player who is an absolute
1:37alien, both in terms of physical everything and technique and production, it would be one Miles Garrett.
1:42And he has dominated the news cycle over the last 24 hours because in a blockbuster move, he was traded to the Rams.
1:49We're going to talk about that trade. And then we're going to talk about the A.J.
1:53Brown trade, which has kind of been like almost the forgotten.
1:57When I hit you about doing this pod last week, I was like, come on, let's talk about the A.J.
2:03Brown trade. It's really interesting. I want to talk about both teams.
2:06And then this Miles Garrett trade hit. So we're going to hit both of those.
2:11Maybe even get to a little fantasy stuff. I've been asked why do you come on to ask you some fantasy questions?
2:18But let's start with Miles Garrett. If you've been living under a rock, the Browns traded him to the Rams for.
2:24It took a second for all the comp to come out.
2:272027 first. Jared Verse. This was actually the biggest shock of all that Verse was in the trade, in my opinion.
2:34And then a 2028 second and a 2029 third.
2:36So we'll get to the Browns side. And I want to talk about the comp.
2:41I want to talk about Jared Verse. I want to talk about all of that.
2:45But let's talk about it from the Rams side.
2:48Already Super Bowl favorites before they traded for Miles Garrett.
2:51And it's almost like hard to find a way to talk about this trade or I guess to talk about any downsides
2:58because he is so obviously the best defensive player in the NFL.
3:01Like I said on live field, I was like, I usually I come on.
3:06I try to give you like some cool stats that show you why a player is unique.
3:11But Miles Garrett is literally first in every possible statistic.
3:14So I don't even know, like, what is the case against?
3:17Is there a case against it or is it just pure win and upside for the Rams?
3:22Yeah, I mean, this is pretty much clear upside and win for the Rams.
3:26Sometimes when a trade of this magnitude takes place or a player, not of this skill set, but of a high level skills that takes place.
3:34It's a team who has an egregious need that fills that need by paying a steep price to acquire that player.
3:41Maybe the Patriots and AJ Brown, who we'll talk about in a little bit, fit more into that category, right?
3:47The Rams are already one of the better pass rushers in the NFL last season.
3:51ESPN had them eighth in pass rush win rate.
3:54They've got building block defensive players and Kobe Turner and of course Jared Burst prior to this trade and Braden Fisk and Bryant Young.
4:01There are a lot of really good players on this Rams defensive front.
4:05This was really just opportunity striking by the Los Angeles Rams persistence paying off.
4:09The only thing that I was thinking about, Nina, is what emboldens the Rams to do what they did, which is I
4:16think in some people's eyes going all in. The last time the Rams went all in, they of course won the Super Bowl.
4:23And then a year later, they ended up sacrificing a pick to the Lions, which was sixth overall.
4:28Yeah, so like the all in tradeoff was winning a Super Bowl and then having an absolutely wretched season the following year.
4:35They dug themselves out from that really quickly, which I think is a byproduct of obviously the organization being really good.
4:41They've got a great front office that has shown itself to be amongst the best in player personnel.
4:47Sean McVay is obviously one of the best, if not the best coaches in the NFL.
4:51And then I wonder, Nina, if there is an L.A.
4:54factor here that we don't really talk about that much in the NFL that I think we talk about a whole lot in the NBA specifically.
5:02It's the idea that certain markets, if they have the right infrastructure in place in the front office, the coaching side, can
5:09just find their way to great players because players will want to be there, right?
5:13Not that Miles Garrett has full control over his situation, but you have to imagine that if ever there was a time
5:20where Miles was expressing his desires to the Browns about where he'd want to be besides Cleveland, it's not just being somewhere
5:27where he can win, but being somewhere desirable. Everybody wants to be in L.A.
5:31Every athlete especially wants to be in L.A. Every rich person wants to be in L.A.
5:36for all the great reasons that we know about.
5:39And I wonder if the Rams feel like, hey, they're going to be a magnetic draw that even if they have fewer
5:45resources or seemingly have been all in in recent years, they can still find a way to put together really, really good rosters.
5:52That's not something I think I would ever talk about or I think I would have imagined talking about with basically any other market.
5:59But it feels to me like the Rams are playing with a mindset that's a little bit different that I don't think
6:06would be the case if they were playing in some Midwest market or something like that.
6:11I also just think McVay, right? Like they're, yeah, they bottomed out a bit one year and then they bounced back.
6:17They bounced back with good drafting. They really hit on those picks.
6:21Lesney deserves credit for that. But also I think with McVay, you know, this team is never going to be bad for long.
6:28Now, I do think reasonable questions about how long Sean McVay is going to be.
6:32There's been rumors about him stepping away. You know, that can come into play.
6:36If you're going to criticize this at all, I would just say, you know, come 28, 20, 2020, 28, 2029.
6:42Yes, they have the young quarterback, but Miles Garrett will be 33, 34.
6:46Jared Verse would have been much younger. They are going all in on this current iteration of the roster.
6:52And it is a very short termist is the, you know, I think maybe it's a little bit unfair, but it is aggressive.
6:59They are aggressively trying to win this year. I would also add one more thing.
7:04I think, and you probably have some thoughts on this.
7:07I was looking at Miles Garrett's contract. I was texting you about it.
7:11It's actually pretty cheap. And Garrett is a, you know, financially, I mean, everybody's financially motivated.
7:15I feel like he might ask for a raise.
7:18What do you think? We were talking about it yesterday, the roster or his contract for me.
7:23I'd be surprised if part of this deal doesn't include some sort of modification to his contract.
7:28I know there's nothing that podcast audiences love more than salary cap and, you know, collective bargaining.
7:33People are listening to this being like, how the heck are the Rams even able to do this?
7:39So I do think it's pertinent. Sure. So the Rams, not only are they able to afford it for this year, they
7:46didn't have to like touch any contracts to make this deal work.
7:49A lot of times when a player is being traded, a team, you know, move some money around with another veteran to acquire someone.
7:56Not the case here with the Rams. But Miles Garrett signed an extension last year at four years, $160 million, $40 million per year.
8:04That preceded amongst other deals in Hutchinson and, of course, Micah Parsons.
8:07If you're Miles Garrett, if you believe that contracts should reflect performance now and performance going forward, which that's the name of the game there, right?
8:15You're going to the Rams and you're saying, I'm thrilled to be here, but let's add $10 million per year to my contract.
8:22Because if Miles Garrett was making $50 million, slightly more than Micah Parsons, whatever it is, $47.2 million or $48 million per
8:29year, nobody would say like, whoa, he's not worth it, right?
8:32Like this would be a player who has earned the right to ask for more.
8:36I would be surprised if he doesn't ask for more upon this trade, but I would also be surprised if the Rams
8:43weren't aware of that prior to doing this deal as well.
8:46And it'll be backloaded. The deal's already very backloaded.
8:49And again, that kind of cuts to the like, okay, let's talk in 28, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20.
8:55Okay. So the other question I want to start posed about Garrett, who Garrett has been unequivocally the best defensive player in the NFL since Aaron Donald.
9:03A lot of smoke around him the last couple of days.
9:07Retired. It was, you know, the easiest vote in the, in the defensive player of the year.
9:12Was it unanimous? It had to have been unanimous, right?
9:15I don't know. He broke the stack record. I believe it was.
9:18Yes. I do want to ask you whether I think it's even possible though, that we could see an even better version of miles Garrett this season.
9:27He is turning 31 and we'll see, you know, at some point time comes for us all, but he showed no signs
9:33of slowing down last season in any way. Not just in terms of his production, but like the eye test, right?
9:40Still unbelievably quick. I don't want to get to that too.
9:43But he also played for a Browns team that despite facing a fairly easy schedule was very bad, right?
9:49The Browns with miles Garrett played with a league at the 26 highest rate in the NFL, which honestly is better than I thought.
9:56But the Rams unsurprisingly played with a lot of players.
9:59The Rams, unsurprisingly played with the league at the fourth highest rate.
10:02Yeah. He also gets to play next to Kobe Turner, Brayden Fisk, Byron Young.
10:07Um, it's a better surrounding cast than he had in Cleveland.
10:10So like, what do you think his impact could be joining this defense in this defensive line?
10:15First of all, if we can issue an audio mea culpa from like four minutes ago when I called Byron Young Bryant
10:22Young, which I've done like three times in the last 24 hours.
10:25Uh, so shout out to you, Byron. Uh, very good young defensive player as well.
10:30Uh, I, I kind of wonder if this all sort of comes out in the wash Mina for these reasons.
10:36You're right. Uh, the Rams are going to be winning more frequently than the Browns were, which provides more opportunities for, for
10:43Chris Shuler, the defensive coordinator to say, pin your ears back and go.
10:47So Myles Garrett, he didn't get that many opportunities when playing in Cleveland.
10:50Every game is also going to be consequential for the Rams.
10:54You mentioned they are the betting favorites to win the Superbowl next year, which of course will be played at SoFi Stadium in Los Angeles.
11:01Uh, I'm not saying that Myles Garrett. Stat padded in fourth quarters of games in which the Browns were getting blown out by any stretch of the imagination.
11:10I also think it's fair to note that the foot was probably off the pedal a little bit when Myles was playing
11:16against some of these teams in prior years where.
11:19The Browns were not winning or we're not going to have a chance to win those games.
11:24It's such a ridiculous bar that Myles has set literally the most sacks in a single season in NFL history last year with those 23.
11:32That I think that the ecosystem he'll be rushing in is probably better because of all the players around him.
11:38Fewer double teams, but he's also going to see the best of the best more consistently.
11:43Consequential games against Seattle twice a year, San Francisco twice a year, division or not division champs and playoff teams, uh, this upcoming season as well.
11:50So, um, I expect Myles to have a dominant season.
11:54I don't know that I can say with certainty that it's going to be decidedly more dominant or less dominant than it was in Cleveland.
12:01I think in their own division, you're, you have three teams who are going to run the ball at a very high rate.
12:08And one imagines that will even, that could even increase right.
12:11Uh, with this addition, the Seahawks ran the ball almost, almost, I think it's second highest rate on early downs in the league.
12:18Um, the Niners always have a pretty high run rate and then Arizona, like literally it's running back in the room is,
12:25is clearly the strength of the roster. I'll leave it at that.
12:29Um, yeah, to your point, I think also what could be more likely than Myles stats going up is that everybody else is going to eat a lot.
12:37Right. Cause he was the most chipped player in the league, uh, last few years.
12:41I think last year, just second to TJ watt.
12:44And yeah. And the other Rams defensive linemen will benefit from that.
12:48The other thing I want to mention is I think the Rams moves in totality, um, work really well with this addition.
12:54And I understand everything works well with the miles Garrett addition, but, uh, I alluded to this miles is very fast, right?
13:01This is why he's such a freak at his size, his ability to get off the line of scrimmage is unbelievable.
13:07In fact, he had the fastest get off in all of football here, 0.70 seconds, according to next to in stats and
13:14the Rams pass rush as good as it's been.
13:17And it's been much more oriented towards power with Jared verse.
13:20Right. And, um, they actually didn't have any player rank inside the top 70 in get off.
13:25So quarterbacks are going to have to get rid of the ball much quicker.
13:29The Browns faced a ton of quick game always with Garrett Rams are about middle of the pack.
13:35And then I think back to the corners that they traded for Trent McDuffie and Jalen Watson, very good tackling corners field.
13:42Yeah. So if you think about how Garrett is going to affect the way teams play the Rams, then suddenly you think back to those additions.
13:49And I feel like it all works together really well.
13:52It's hard to find a hole in this off season, Mina.
13:56We could certainly talk about the Ty Simpson pick a million times over.
14:00And some might say, Hey, you'd feel even different about this team.
14:03If it was Makai Lemon is the third wide out against Ty Simpson.
14:07Yeah. I just think that at some point you have to find a way to satisfy the needs of both the short and long.
14:14And probably in this case, the front office versus the coaching staff, right?
14:18Every coach wants to win, wants to win right now.
14:21Uh, when you have, and I don't, at least according to Andrew Barry, it doesn't sound like this deal was done by
14:28the time that the draft was taking place. It sounds like this is a deal that was discussed since then.
14:34Um, but if you're the Rams and you think there's at least a possibility of trading for miles Garrett, then your urgency
14:41to acquire a quarterback in the draft, if you like the player, which clearly the Rams did alters, because if you're not
14:47going to have a 20, 27 one, you're not going to have a 20, 28, two, you just have less resources to
14:54work with to maneuver the board because you're not likely to get a quarterback with your original pick, which assuming reasonable trajectory
15:01for this franchise is going to be, I don't know, 24th at worst, right?
15:05Probably more like 28 to 32 each year. So, uh, it's been an a plus off season for the Rams.
15:11They're the big winners of the off season. I don't think that far behind them though, is your Seattle Seahawks.
15:17And the reason why I mean it is this is perfect for the Seahawks.
15:21The Seahawks are the rare defending Superbowl champion that gets the play gets to play the, we are now disrespected card.
15:27I know. And it kind of works. I posted a like more quick trade reaction.
15:32I mostly talked about the Brown side, which I promise we're about to get to, but I was like, yeah, the Rams
15:39are the best team in the NFL very clearly.
15:41And I did have a lot of Seahawks fans saying, excuse me, we're the Superbowl champs.
15:46And I'm like, guys, you're the Superbowl champs. But like, look at like the Rams roster.
15:51It's we don't like the best team is based on the quality of the existing roster.
15:56And that doesn't mean the Seahawks aren't, you know, one of the, if not the second best team up there.
16:02I think that these are the two best teams.
16:05I believe that. Right? Like, let's talk about it.
16:07Really quickly on the Ty Simpson trade before we move to the Browns.
16:11Yeah. Cause that has come up a little bit right over the last 24 hours.
16:16Oh, it's been interesting field. Cause I've seen takes on both sides.
16:19Some have pointed out like, well, now they don't have the pick.
16:23So they had to take the quarterback now, as you talked about.
16:27And then on the other side, people said, well, if they were all in, why did they take a quarterback?
16:33I might take on that is just like, we, I, we don't know.
16:36First of all, obviously we won't know until Ty Simpson plays, whether it was a good pick.
16:42Right. And then as far as the decision to take a quarterback, irrespective of the talent, my feeling is, is that like,
16:48we again, won't know whether it was a miss until we see if the receivers and the offensive tackles play an entire season.
16:55Right. Like if, and, and I'll go out one little potential thorn, the Rams now have, do have less draft capital to do a mid-season trade.
17:03Which could happen, but that's all hypothetical. Right. Yeah.
17:06But if you list these problems in whatever order that you do, Mina, these problems are so high society compared to 29
17:12or 30 of the other teams in the NFL.
17:15So I believe in, um, there might be fan bases that are disgruntled by this take, but I do believe we enter the NFL season.
17:23Assuming everybody stays healthy. That's a primary contributor with two teams in a tier by themselves.
17:27We've got the Seahawks and the Rams, whatever order, uh, you want to put those two, I tend to defer to the champs and the Seahawks team.
17:36Yes. They lost some key pieces, but they also retain some essential pieces and have extended guys very handsomely and deservedly.
17:42And man, I just got paid for their call.
17:45Yep. Shout out to their call. Um, my God, Mina, that defensive effort in the, in the playoffs, especially was just ridiculous.
17:51So, um, I am not dismissing the Seahawks by any stretch of the imagination as the best team going into the NFL season.
17:58So yes, the Rams, there are things that could come up and there are ways in which they are more limited than they were previously.
18:06That being said, everything they have done to put themselves in position to compete for the Superbowl this year.
18:12It's really hard to argue that there was a better path for them to take.
18:16Yeah. I know people have been like, well, if Matthew Stafford goes down, they're in trouble.
18:21Literally every team. How about Jalen Hurts? Or how about, you know, whatever.
18:25Drake May. What about Josh Allen? I mean, it's, it's, that's what happens.
18:29You have a great quarterback. Nobody has two great quarterbacks on their roster.
18:33It's a top heavy situation. I would say the downside would be like Michael Parsons has, you know, getting hurt in green Bay.
18:40You saw when you have so much, you know, or orient, like geared towards this player.
18:44Now it can cause some issues. All right. Let's, let's hit the Brown side now.
18:49So you and I, I want to start talking about whether they got enough before we talk about verse.
18:55And, and so again, it's the 2027 first, which I think we all agree will be at the end of the first round close to it.
19:03Jared verse. And then the 2028 second and 2029 third.
19:06So Parsons trade was the comp that jumped up immediately for me to first and Kenny Clark field.
19:11I feel like this is pretty equivalent to that.
19:14Jared verse in my mind is well worth a first rounder.
19:17In fact, at pick 19, he is like one of the like best case scenarios picking in that, like for the Rams, he was an amazing pick.
19:25And then the 2828 second and third, if you're trading with the Rams, you want picks further out in the distance away from Matthew Stafford, potentially retiring.
19:33If those land like somewhere in the middle, you know, whatever that ends up depending on what value chart you use being
19:40a late first or an early second. So all told field, like I felt like this was reasonable value for a player
19:47who, you know, is turning 31 this year, as good as he is.
19:50It was time Mina to like, let's just acknowledge it for the Browns.
19:54I understand that it's hard. You wake up this morning and you're worse than you were yesterday.
20:00Let's just be honest about where things were at with miles Garrett and the Browns.
20:04Miles Garrett last off season requested a trade. And then all of a sudden that trade request went away when he signed
20:11an extension for four years and $160 million, clearly motivated by the dollar last year in Cleveland.
20:16And by the way, that's fine. You know, like we all have to look out for ourselves, but his frustrations about playing
20:22for a losing team did not go away. And this team isn't going to win meaningfully this year.
20:28So we're just going to be back in this spot next off season with miles Garrett being a year older, any kind
20:35of risks that, you know, applies to every other player applies to, to, to Garrett as well.
20:40If something happens to him or if he goes from think about where TJ Watt was like three years ago or two
20:46years ago compared to now, he's still an amazing player, obviously, but I think some people feel like the peak of the,
20:53yeah, the peak of the powers were just a couple of years ago.
20:57These things can happen. And he was unhappy, right?
21:00I mean, the Browns could, could say otherwise, but miles is absence from the Browns was becoming noticeable whether it was, and I get it.
21:07These are all voluntary, but when you're the highest paid player on the team, the best defensive player in the league, yes,
21:14the microscope is going to be a little bit more focused on you.
21:18Miles Garrett was attending Cavs playoff games and then not attending Browns off season work.
21:22Like you think people are just going to ignore that?
21:25Like, no. And it was a sign that miles was dissatisfied.
21:29They had to move on. And within the context of trading miles Garrett, whether they had to move on or not, it's a darn good return.
21:36I mean, Jared versus if I don't know, I haven't put this much thought into it, but if we were drafting non
21:43quarterbacks around the NFL to build a team board for the next five or six years, it's probably a top 50 pick, right?
21:50I mean, maybe way more than that, but I'm just using 50 as a sign that like, this is a legit building block.
21:57Who's 25. He's a little bit older compared to most third year players, but it'll be 26, I think in November of this upcoming season.
22:04So you're getting a five ish year advantage in terms of age over miles Garrett.
22:09And since he entered the NFL, he's got 10 fewer pressures than Garrett.
22:13Now, not as many sacks, obviously, but this is not some good pass rusher.
22:17This is an elite pass rusher who has not even reached the prime of his career.
22:22And I think the key point is like, we're not comparing him to Garrett.
22:26You're comparing him to the average late twenties, early thirtieth draft pick.
22:30And that's, he's better than the vast majority of players taken.
22:33Cause again, that's the comp, right? Like, Oh, we wish the Rams had given us a first.
22:38I saw someone say, I want two first and verse, please.
22:42That was never going to happen. And in that regard, he is worth it.
22:46Three years left to cost control. Um, look, he, I would say like, there's a little bit of a step back after year one, obviously in production.
22:54And I think some questions about the way he wins, cause it is so power oriented, but I feel like pretty strongly,
23:01he's got a good floor as a rusher. And then as a run defender, he's already elite.
23:06I mean, he, he was ESPN has the run stop win, which we don't quote as much as pass rush win second
23:12only to max Crosby over the last two years amongst edge rushers.
23:16So allows you to play the current meta, the light box style.
23:20Yeah. Like I, I just feel if you're at the Browns, stop comparing him to Garrett, get that out of your head
23:26and compare him to the alternative of getting the draft pick.
23:30I would feel very good about having Jared verse on my roster.
23:33I would also feel very good about having those two future picks from the Rams because, you know, like I said, like
23:40the, you want, if you're trained with Los Angeles Rams, you want the picks to be far out.
23:45And ultimately, yes, it's not another first, but it's going to be the equivalent of at least I believe a high second, at least.
23:52Yeah. And football's unpredictable, Mina. When the Browns traded down from two to five in the 2025 NFL draft, I thought, my
23:59God, the Browns may have just gone from two to five.
24:02And in the process picked up an extra top 10 pick the following year.
24:07Cause I did not forecast the Jaguars to be a 13 and four football team.
24:11And there they were. Now, I don't think the Rams are going to go four and 13, but something happens to Matthew Stafford or who knows, right?
24:19Like that pick that we're all currently forecasting is, Hey, no lower than 28.
24:24You just never know. So in a draft that, and I know that sometimes fans get bothered when people say, Oh, next
24:30year's draft's the one that's going to be loaded.
24:33I would just tell you, and this has been reflected by the way NFL teams have moved picks is that NFL teams
24:40held their powder so much more in the 2026 NFL draft.
24:43We didn't see any team. When the chiefs moved up from nine to six in a different year, the cost to go
24:49from nine to six might literally be a first round pick, right?
24:53I mean, the dolphins made the Jalen Waddell trade that involved an extra first round picked.
24:58I think that was 11 to six, but still we see teams who put four or five spots in the first round and pay an extra one.
25:06The 2027 NFL draft is viewed by NFL teams.
25:09And I will tell you my early studies of 40 or so, some guys, you are sitting there saying to yourself, my
25:15goodness, it is going to be a draft cycle that could be as big as any draft cycle that we have seen in quite some time.
25:23So the Browns and the Jets are now incredibly well positioned.
25:27The Jets having three first round picks, Browns having two first round picks and the Browns being in a clear full blown
25:33rebuild because Miles Garrett did not lead them to many wins over the past couple of seasons.
25:38But having miles around was enough to stop you shy of saying, we're blowing this thing up.
25:43We're tearing it down to the studs. And that brings me to my final thought on this, which is not saying Miles
25:50Garrett is losing him is going to get you pick one, one necessarily.
25:54But I could imagine a scenario where it's Jen, you know, December and the Cardinals and the Jets and the Brown, everybody's competing.
26:01You know, starting night. It's already tanking this year.
26:04Okay. There's just going to. And you can just, Miles Garrett has single handedly won games for this team.
26:09It's five sacks in the game last year. The reverse is good, but I'm just saying it won't, it's not going to
26:16hurt their cause to not have Miles Garrett around.
26:19Might actually help it a little bit. So. Mark my words on that tanking point, by the way, Mina.
26:24Like I'm just June 2nd, whatever it is, like it's coming Jeremiah Smith.
26:28The team that I want to be this upcoming year, Mina is the team that's got a good young quarterback.
26:34Cardinals are going to be hard to beat. Yeah.
26:37But, but, but they need a quarterback, right? They need one, but I'm saying, I want to be the team this year.
26:44That's got a good young quarterback already that ends up with a high enough draft pick to take Jeremiah Smith.
26:50That's the team that I want to be this year because this kid is the closest thing to Julio Jones since Julio Jones.
26:57Uh, I, I was, I think it was Greg McElroy's podcast.
27:00I was listening to always college football, fellow Omaha pod show.
27:03Uh, uh, and he was saying that something like, uh, Jeremiah Smith is, is some ridiculously small number of yards away from
27:10becoming Ohio state's all time leading receiver. He's a true software.
27:13He's going to be a true junior this year.
27:16And you think about like Ohio state is along with LSU wide receiver you.
27:20And it's like, I'm just making this number of 89 yards away.
27:24You're like, there's no way you go back and check it.
27:27And you're like, Holy crap. He is in one game going to get to Ohio state's top of the leaderboard there.
27:34So I want to be the team. It's got a good young quarterback, but finishes like fourth or fifth in the draft
27:40order this upcoming year, because the tankers are going to be out in close to full force from Thanksgiving on.
27:46It's going to be a fascinating final month of the season.
27:50That's all I'll say. Yep. Um, okay. Speaking of trades and teams not wanting to give up 20, 27 picks, let's take
27:56a quick break, come back and talk about what was supposed to be the blockbuster trade of the day.
28:02And that's the AJ Brown trade. All right. We are back.
28:05AJ Brown, after this has been rumored for ever is now.
28:09It's funny because there was some rumors that the Rams were pushing for Brown, which kind of served as a smokescreen little
28:15bit about the Rams ending up going for miles Garrett.
28:18Um, but this was no secret. Uh, you know, it's been talked about for a while and ultimately we knew it was
28:25all going to be a post June 1st trade because of AJ Brown's, the cap implications for Philadelphia.
28:30Uh, so the trade compensation is a 20, 28 first rounder and then fricking Howie, a 20, 27 fifth because sure.
28:37Yeah. Um, the deal would have fallen apart otherwise.
28:39I guess you just see him at the last second being like, give me something, a little more, a little more, a little more.
28:47Um, okay. So I find this fascinating on both sides.
28:50I think the football ramifications for both teams are fascinating.
28:53I honestly, especially for Philadelphia, like I think schematically everything there, what the offense is going to look like.
28:58This is all, you know, bread, bread crumbs leading us to the 2026 season.
29:03But let's start with the Patriots. Um, Patriots field have been hunting for that receiver one for how long?
29:08Oh, long time. I mean, he's the AJ Brown is the most talented Patriots receiver since who?
29:13Randy. It's gotta be that. That's the territory. I think we're talking about Mina.
29:18They've obviously had unbelievable pass catchers, you know, perhaps the most dominant tight end ever in Rob Gronkowski and Julian Edelman was Mr.
29:25Clutch for this team. It's not like they stopped winning because it didn't have, you know, peak Randy Moss, but this is
29:31a franchise who probably as much as any team in the past 25 years has done it with more of strength numbers amongst the pass catchers.
29:39And now they have their wide receiver one. And there are some concerns.
29:43We can dive into those for sure with AJ Brown getting up there in age concerns about this knee injury.
29:49Wouldn't surprise me if he's on the veteran plan from day one of training camp on.
29:54But I also think there's a chance that we have perhaps been sort of robbed of what the best of AJ Brown
30:01looks like because last year was an absolutely dismal fit between player and scheme and probably player and team as well.
30:07Like AJ Brown being unhappy was one of the least kept secrets or one of the worst kept secrets in the league, right?
30:14And say whatever you want. Like, you know, Jalen Hurts is a more accomplished player than Drake May, period, end of story.
30:20A Super Bowl champion, the best player in a Super Bowl, a second occurrence.
30:25Drake May is a better passer than Jalen Hurts.
30:27That's just inarguable, right? Drake May should make life better for AJ Brown.
30:31Drake May is on the short list for best deep ball throwers in the NFL.
30:36AJ Brown is, I think, along with, you know, a couple others, amongst the best deep ball threats in the league.
30:42Still, yes, still over the past four years, AJ Brown, 18 receiving touchdowns on 20 plus air yard throws.
30:48Number one in the NFL in that stretch, right?
30:51Like this guy down the field is as potent as basically any player in the league.
30:55So on paper, it's pretty simple to see why this deal essentially agreed two months ago.
31:00We just had to wait for June 1st to come around because of the cap implications that you managed.
31:06You mentioned. You laid this out very well. It's a great marriage of quarterback and player.
31:11Yeah. I think that's worth stressing because May was good at just basically everything last season.
31:16But he really loves and is really good at those tight window throws.
31:20So good at throwing guys open. And who's the best tight window receiver in the NFL?
31:24If you just look at the numbers. Over the last three years on tight window throws, AJ Brown, first in yards per
31:31rat run, first in catches, first in first downs.
31:34Wow. Tells you everything you've ever heard. The best quarterback on tight window throws last year in precision pass rate, QBR, completion percentage over expected, everything.
31:42It just works. And the thing I do think though that's interesting or notable about New England too is like I actually
31:48thought the receivers last year really outperformed my expectations.
31:51Like Stavantex was quite good during the regular season, especially against man coverage, you know, and, um, occasion booty who we could
31:58talk about in a second really emerged. But I will say in the post season, I think you saw the receiving group get exposed.
32:05Now the whole offense got exposed. The offensive line was by far the bigger culprit.
32:09May himself didn't play his best ball, but something that caught my eye, I was pulling up some stats from the post
32:16season versus press coverage in the post season. Okay.
32:19Drake Bay was four for 17. And again, some of that's on him.
32:23I'm not absolving altogether, but there were a lot of instances of guys not getting open.
32:27And I do, I can't, I, you know, I think they've been, I'm Brown for a while, but I can't help but
32:34wonder if the new England front office felt like strongly after the playoffs.
32:38Okay. We really got to level up here. Yeah, for sure.
32:41You have to imagine that was part of it.
32:44I mean, I would say physicality across the board, like just being bigger across the board was something the Patriots needed to do.
32:51They got smacked around in the Superbowl, especially, but they got smacked around by the Texans defense in that divisional game.
32:57I wouldn't say it was quite as egregious in the Broncos AFC championship game, but the Patriots met their match offensively during the playoffs last year.
33:05They had to become a more physical team on both sides of the ball.
33:09But AJ Brown certainly helps in the wide receiver room.
33:12And I would take it, I would zoom out a little bit here to me now, which I think cannot be overlooked.
33:19Two things can be true. Once the Patriots had an unbelievably remarkable season last year.
33:24Drake may is the freaking truth. If we're starting a draft for a player to lead your franchise for the next 10
33:30years, he's at least in the conversation for the first overall pick.
33:34At least in my opinion. Right? No question. And the Patriots' biggest improvement this year might just be that Drake may just
33:40gets that much better going into year three. At the same time, Patriots also had a schedule that we agreed during the regular season was very favorable.
33:49And it did feel like so far this offseason, and we still have, what, two months before training camps really get going.
33:55Other teams have caught up more than New England sort of outpaced the field, right?
34:00Their big moves up to this point were notable.
34:02But, like, Draymond Jones comes in. Caleb on chase on amongst the guys that go out, right?
34:08I mean, they did some shuffling on both sides of the ball.
34:11But I don't think that you're, even their first round pick, Caleb Lomu, like, there's a pathway to Caleb Lomu being their
34:18sixth offensive lineman this year, which is totally fine, by the way.
34:21He's a really good player. But I didn't feel like the Patriots, you know, Romeo Dobbs in for Stephon Diggs going out.
34:28I don't feel, I didn't feel prior to this move, like, the Patriots offense was decidedly scarier, whereas around the AFC, you've
34:35got what we believe will be a healthier Chiefs team, a healthy Lamar Jackson, a new look Ravens team, Joe Burrow and
34:41the Bengals loading up on defense, the Bills trading for DJ Moore.
34:45There's a lot of examples of AFC teams who push their chips further into the middle of the table.
34:51And until the A.J. Brown trade was complete, for me, the Patriots team didn't feel decidedly different than the one that walked off the field last season.
34:59I think it's a really good point. I also think we're going to see what happens when you get a true number
35:06one, which is everybody benefits from his presence on the field.
35:09Suddenly the receiver room, like, just really works, right?
35:12Like, Romeo Dobbs is a phenomenal number two. Sure.
35:14And then you have some combination of Douglas, Collins, Kyle Williams.
35:18See what happens with Kayshawn Booty, who feels a little bit redundant with Brown.
35:22It was honestly excellent last year, might be potential trade bait.
35:25And then the run game. The Patriots did not run the ball well last season.
35:30But part of that was, there's a lot of reasons, but some of it was, despite the fact that they had an
35:36incredibly explosive and efficient passing attack, they still face light boxes at a below average rate.
35:41That's going to change, I think. So, you know, you're going to face less man coverage because teams don't want to play man against A.J.
35:49Like, there's just going to be a trickle down effect of having that true number one X receiver that is going to
35:55help not just Drake May, but the entire group in New England.
35:59This applies to every time a star player, and A.J.
36:02Brown is a star player, gets traded. And I'd be curious if you think it matters.
36:07Doesn't matter in this case. Matters a lot. However you deem it worthy.
36:11A.J. Brown, I think, is pissed off about how he's perceived right now, right?
36:15I think he was pissed off with how the offense was last year.
36:19But I think A.J. Brown probably feels like he's got something to prove.
36:23Does that matter? Do you think that matters? Like, are we going to get the best version of A.J.
36:28Brown? Stefan Diggs is sort of the famous example of a guy who gets traded from Minnesota to Buffalo.
36:34He was a great player. Went for a package of picks, including a first rounder.
36:39And then immediately was like, so motivated to prove everybody wrong.
36:42Or prove everybody, I guess the bill's right, that for the next four seasons, he had 444 catches and took off.
36:48Diggs was much younger than A.J. Brown is right now.
36:51But I do think A.J. Brown is probably motivated to prove some skeptics maybe in Philadelphia wrong.
36:5728's not that. Actually, it's funny because people were comparing it to the wattle trade and how much Denver gave up.
37:03And I was like, yeah, but he's a lot younger than A.J.
37:06Brown. Then I looked it up. I was like, wait, you're younger than A.J.
37:11Brown. Yeah. 27 versus 28. I would have guessed like three years for whatever reason.
37:15Same. I guess he must have been older when he was drafted and I just forgot.
37:20You know, that said, the knee, definitely something to monitor.
37:23And if this blows up or backfires, that would probably be why.
37:27And we'll see. Like I, you know, like all of these trades, like we talked about injuries are always going to be the thing you can't predict.
37:35Clearly, they felt comfortable enough with it to trade it.
37:38I guess let me ask you that before we can as we kind of transition to the New England part.
37:44Do you think this was enough for the Philadelphia Eagles in terms of compensation?
37:48I think it was because it was about as good as I think they were going to get.
37:54I think for the Patriots and I always laugh whenever we it's not often, but when we hear of a conditional trade,
38:00I'm just going to make up a fake Adam Schefter tweet here for a second.
38:05You know, whatever the Vikings are trading a conditional third that can become a second to the Saints.
38:10If insert X wide receiver plays in at least 15 games and over 50% of the snaps.
38:15And then when the Vikings who are trading away, you know, the third that could become the second, they announced it as a third.
38:23The Saints, the acquiring team who could get a second announced it as a second.
38:27Right. So it's like, I'm sure if you're asking the Patriots, I think from their perspective, yes, it's of course it's a first round pick.
38:35Like there's, there's nothing, there's no gray area there, but a first round pick two years from now carries different value from
38:41a first round pick in the present year or even a year from now.
38:45Right. The player, the Eagles are going to acquire with that pick cannot influence their roster until the fall of 2028.
38:52Like that's an eternity in football terms. So the Patriots are probably comfortable with it being almost like, like a premium second,
38:58as opposed to a first round pick. Meanwhile, if you're Philly, it's a first round pick that can be repurposed elsewhere because
39:05they could trade that first round pick as part of a deal to acquire somebody prior to the 2028 NFL draft.
39:11On top of that, if you're Philly, one thing they have been as good as literally anybody in the league since Howie
39:18Roseman took over as their GM is being a step ahead to replace players before they're actually gone.
39:23And now you're up a first round pick over the next two drafts, which will enable you to draft a player that
39:30probably plays a position that you don't need in that year.
39:33But you know what? That's where they have struck gold so often.
39:37Jordan Davis and Jalen Carter and back-to-back drafts and guys who played a position where they already had players like Milton Williams.
39:44Not that Milton was ever an every down guy for them, but like they had talent and they just said, we're going
39:50to keep pouring more and more talent into that spot because it's going to become a need soon.
39:56So I think it was enough for Philadelphia, especially in the context similar to Cleveland and Myles Garrett of a player being ready to move on.
40:04I just can't imagine, or I couldn't imagine a world in which AJ Brown went back to Philadelphia happy for the 2026 season.
40:11If the offense in Philadelphia was going to be the same this year as it was last year, not even, I'm not
40:17even like if obviously if they kept Petula, but like if they, if the scheme was the same as it's been, not
40:24even just last year, but basically with AJ Brown specifically predicated on ISO ball receivers winning their one-on-ones quarterback.
40:30And the gun, I would feel pretty bad about leaving.
40:33Yeah. But the, you got to take a step back and look at this thing in its totality, which is AJ Brown
40:39being traded is part of what I think we all agree is going to be a pretty significant transformation for this offense,
40:46a transformation signaled by the hiring of an offensive play caller from the.
40:50Backer. Shanahan, LeFleur. Yeah. Sorry. The tree, the tree backers, which I want to get to in a second.
40:55Um, by everything we've been hearing by the way, out of like OTA, like that they are very much going to be more of an under center team.
41:04Yeah. By the players that they've chosen drafting Makai lemon, not even just drafting a receiver like the other, they're going to
41:11replace AJ, but like, obviously he's a very different receiver from AJ, but the style of receiver that he is, this office
41:17is going to look really different field. And so I guess that's what I want to talk about next.
41:23Like, how do you feel about the Eagles going in a different direction offensively?
41:27Because I think it's one of the more interesting storylines in football.
41:31I would say it actually has less to do with the trading of AJ Brown and more to do with just what
41:37does Jalen hurts look like in this offense? I know the offense was much maligned the past couple of years and Jalen
41:44has famously had instability amongst play callers during his college and pro career felt to me though, like they, as much as
41:51they could try to make Jalen comfortable in Philadelphia last year.
41:54Right. And this was not, you know, I think some of the concepts that we're talking about in these, in these, the
42:01tree offenses you described at Mina is like on rhythm, on time, passing games.
42:05Like we're going to see more West coast principles.
42:08It felt like at times with Jalen, he is a quarterback who at times can be a drop back, drop back, see it, throw it type of quarterback.
42:16As opposed to hard play action, hit your back foot, bam, drive a football to a receiver that maybe hasn't even made
42:23his break to the middle of the field, but you're just trusting he's going to hit that landmark.
42:28So it's a, I don't know about wholesale, but it's close to it.
42:32This is a gigantic test for this Philadelphia offense.
42:35And I think Jalen hurts specifically. And by the way, if, if he is uncomfortable with this, it doesn't sound like he
42:41is by any language coming out of Philadelphia is like, he seems over the moon.
42:46He does seem over the moon by it. But if the results for this are a little bit shaky coming out of
42:53the gates for Philly, like if you're Jalen hurts, you are by all means emboldened to say, I'm G like I'm a super bowl MVP.
43:00Like I'm, I'm the most valuable piece here. Like let's get back to some of what was what, what I'm more comfortable with.
43:07So it's a gigantic test for Philly. I think they're going to be awesome this year.
43:12Like I'm not at all down on Philadelphia, but I am comparably curious about how this offense looks as you are.
43:18I think hurts is really going into the season with, you know, like the desire to prove everyone wrong in terms of
43:25saying, yeah, he doesn't draw over the middle of the field.
43:28He never will. Oh, he has, he wants to run things his way style of offense at the cost of, I think
43:35like every, again, this is just interpreting every, all the language coming out of Philly right now.
43:40When he talks about the new scheme and playing under center and the coordinator, it's very positive.
43:45And like, if, if he buys in and if he X and, and, and, you know, by the way, I do want
43:52to say one other thing, like in the McVay Chan hand tree or whatever, there's different branches, right?
43:57Like the Packers offense comes from that. And, you know, like Jordan love was under center way more than, you know, Jalen hurts for sure.
44:05And there's more play action and whatever, but, um, and the more condensed formations and things like that, but it's different from
44:11like San Francisco or like you do see, um, love throws deep outside the numbers a bit more, which is something that hurts is very good at.
44:19So there's definitely some room for flexibility that the Packers also had a pretty good play action game out of the gun.
44:26And with, um, you know, like some of the stuff they would do the spinner play action.
44:31You remember like that, that was a Packers thing, you know?
44:35So I do think for Manion, it's going to be like, Hey, let me take this concept and then let me see
44:41what within this concept that within, within this scheme, where does my quarterback want to live?
44:46But hypothetically it should make hurts his life a lot easier.
44:49Like just watching Philadelphia last year, the level of difficulty always felt like it was turned up to a hundred for both the quarterback and the receivers.
44:57It's like, go in, go in, go in. Yeah.
45:00And one thing I want to highlight, I was just looking at this up, uh, you know, Philadelphia's offense was below average
45:07and a lot of things, but one thing where there's a huge discrepancy between them and Green Bay is on short passes, zero to 10 yards.
45:15The Packers were third league wide in EPA per play 0.19, which is very high for short passes.
45:20The Eagles were 22nd 0.02. I really think those little easy buttons.
45:24And then by the way, they added Josh Grisard, who's a, comes from Tampa, very good screen offense.
45:29It just feels like field. If Hertz is bought in, you think about the players.
45:34They have Barkley catching passes, Makai lemon yards after the catch.
45:37It could be a lot easier for everybody. That's the idea here, Mina.
45:41And so I don't think their success by the way is, is dependent upon AJ Brown's presence or lack thereof.
45:47So like if the Eagles offense sputters and has a tough year this year and they don't sort of realize some of
45:54the potential that we are discussing, I'm not going to go, well, they shouldn't have traded AJ Brown.
45:59Like it, like it was time with Miles Garrett.
46:02It was time with AJ Brown. It was exhausting.
46:04I was exhausted by like sitting there watching the Eagles games going, is he really reading like, you know, whatever, the second
46:11edition of whatever that book that he famously read in the sidelines was at a different.
46:16Inter excellence. Their inter excellence. Yes. Is he reading inner transcendence now?
46:20Like whatever. You know, like it's not because of AJ Brown being there or not.
46:24It is just, it's just a big scheme shift.
46:27And I don't know about rare, but we, we just don't see stuff like this that often.
46:32A lot of times it's, you know, you could, if you have a quarterback at the caliber of AJ Brown, it's what
46:39do we do to kind of match that player's skillset?
46:42Philadelphia is like, we're pouring the scheme out in a way that we feel is best for football.
46:47Not, not necessarily our quarterback in the way he has played for the last six or seven years for us.
46:53It's a great football story to monitor. All right.
46:56So there's enough time left. I've decided for me to do my fantasy lightning round with you.
47:01Let's go. For those who don't, I mean, people know, like how often do you guys podcast or like, what's your schedule?
47:07So we get back going in earnest, July 20th, I think late July with, I was going to say on a specific
47:14day, but I realized I'm just assuming that date late July for fantasy focus for five days a week, all the way through the NFL regular season.
47:22And then hopefully you'll see more of us during the off season in future years.
47:27But as you know, fantasy, the lack of interest from the casuals is certainly not there from January until late July.
47:33So, but we get rolling. I think it's like 110 shows in 22 weeks or something like that.
47:39If you don't already, obviously listen to fantasy focus.
47:41Excellent podcast. All right. So I got quick questions for you.
47:45Number one, this comes off of our last conversation.
47:47So there's this feeling that the Packers offense is going to turn into, or not Packers, geez, Louise, the Eagles is going
47:54to turn into more of an everybody eats style offense, a la the Packers.
47:58Although I will say, you know, Devontae, we kind of elided this and I talked about it earlier.
48:04I think Devontae is so capable of taking on more.
48:07And I think the Eagles think that, which is part of this, the calculus here.
48:11That said, do you feel comfortable drafting or prioritizing any of these Eagles skill players after what we saw last year?
48:17Would you include Saquon Barkley in that conversation? I'll include Saquon Barkley.
48:21But I'm a Saquon dynasty holder and it wasn't.
48:24Yeah. It wasn't pretty last year. I mean, one of the biggest mistakes that we make though in fantasy is when an
48:30elite player has a pedestrian year, assuming that like the pedestrian days are now upon us.
48:35Um, and that, that would be the case of Saquon Barkley.
48:39Like the idea of Saquon Barkley being the best player in fantasy football next season.
48:43It's not that crazy, right? I mean, he's what at worst, the fourth best running back in the league, probably in terms of talent, you know, B.
48:51John Gibbs, CMC, Saquon, that's whatever. Maybe you want to argue he's fifth or sixth, but we've definitely seen crazier things than
48:58Saquon Barkley being the top scoring running back in all of fantasy football.
49:02Him and Devontae Smith are the two for sure.
49:05Everybody else will just be kind of a value play like Octavian Wicks is like your favorite film watchers, favorite wide receiver.
49:11Right. Uh, and Hollywood Brown will probably have a couple moments.
49:14Uh, and Makai Lemon is a rookie. It brings a ton of sizzle and excitement and he might have 72 catches this year.
49:21PPR beast. Um, but Devontae and Saquon are the two guys that based off current costs are worth sort of the premium
49:28that are being paid on them right now. Saquon top probably seven or 10 running back in terms of where you're seeing
49:35him ranked right now in fantasy and Devontae probably creeping into that top 20 with AJ Brown gone.
49:40One would help for hope for Saquon too. This could have been part of the Eagles conversation.
49:45Like the, a big part of the tree scheme and perhaps the most important part is knitting the run in the past
49:52together and making everything look the same. It felt like last year they were so obvious running the ball that he was constantly contacted in the backfield.
50:00So one could hope that this scheme change in addition to, you know, how he runs under center and all that would
50:07help him just because it won't be as predictable when he's getting the rock.
50:11Totally agree. Uh, okay. Second question. Number two. Uh, so you talked about, um, people casual is not having interest this time
50:18of year, but I, as I alluded to, I am in a very intense dynasty league.
50:22I've been in it for years. Uh, I was, before we started taping, I was bragging about the fact that last year I got Harold fan and junior.
50:31I feel like that was my big coup. Uh, cause it was like in the founders, you know, it's like, uh, it's a very deep league.
50:39So of the rookies and you mentioned lemon, um, you know, but not necessarily your answer here.
50:44Who are two that you love? Doesn't have to be the top.
50:47It can be the top. Just two rookies that you really like for fantasy purposes.
50:52Okay. So we should just address Jeremiah love because everybody knows him.
50:56Um, and, and the question isn't how, like, is he going to go high?
51:00It's how high he's going to go. I've looked across ESPN rankings and it seems like I'm a little lower on Jeremiah
51:06love in terms of overall rank compared to some of our colleagues.
51:10I had him at the 21st ranked player overall.
51:13Uh, we do this project in May, June, July, where we just do a series of mock drafts and it kind of
51:19creates like this date, this, this set of data points about where guys are going on average players that we tend to
51:26have an affinity for players that we are avoiding consciously or ups or subconsciously.
51:30What I've noted so far is that Jeremiah love is going way earlier than that.
51:35Uh, you mentioned the Cardinals as a strong content contender for the number one pick in the draft.
51:40This upcoming year, Mina, uh, Tyler Algier, James Connor for now still there, right?
51:44Like I have Tyler Algier on my dynasty team and please trade him Arizona.
51:49Please trade Green Bay. Perhaps Green Bay. You know, just like, I think he deserves more run.
51:54And he's, he's like, like say whatever you want from a fan.
51:57Like I am, I was as bothered by him being utilized as the goal line as anybody, uh, over the past few years.
52:04But like, if you're going to have Tyler Algier is part of your pack rotation, he is deserving of some of the short yardage and goal line work.
52:13Um, I'm concerned about a little bit of seeding work to Tyler Algier at the goal line.
52:18And then a little bit of just like, we saw this with Ashton Gentty.
52:22I don't care how dynamic you are as a runner.
52:25Like if you're getting blown up a yard behind the line of scrimmage, it's going to be hard to have a bunch of protecting games.
52:33And, uh, Gentty wasn't this like catastrophic disappointment last year, Mina, but it was an example of shiny object syndrome taking over.
52:39It was in hell. He was in hell, but we could have, you could have easily taken a Derek Henry or a
52:46Christian McCaffrey where we were taking Ashton Gentty last year and, and, and just been fine.
52:51Um, they, they had the each, you know, McCaffrey was the best player in fantasy football last year.
52:56Henry was a bit more of a roller coaster, but the peaks were so, so good.
53:01Uh, Jeremiah love, and I'll just say this, I understand he was the next fantasy skill player taken in the draft, but
53:08I do think I'll just mention him. Cause I do think that I'm going to wind up being higher on Carnell Tate
53:14as I get through my updates of my rankings this off season compared to most, because I think, and I'm guilty of this too.
53:22I allowed the idea of Carnell Tate being like a really good number two wide receiver, as opposed to a legitimate number
53:28one wide receiver invade my brain too much during the pre-draft process.
53:32Now, when I'm watching Jeremiah Smith, his teammate, that is exactly what a wide receiver one looks like, but there are also players right now in the NFL.
53:40We've talked about some on the show, but think about guys like Puka or Amonra, or maybe even Jackson Smith and Jigba
53:47who don't necessarily, and I'm using air quotes here, look like a number one wide receiver and have become absurdly productive.
53:53So I think that Carnell Tate is due for just a monster year because he is as pro ready as any prospect in this entire draft class.
54:01I felt that way about him throughout the process and he went forth overall, perhaps richer than some thought, but I think
54:08Carnell Tate is going to be a heck of a player this year.
54:12A lot of good buzz about Carnell Tate coming out of Tennessee.
54:16Seems like it, yeah. Yeah. The spring buzz is, you know, I'm always worried about that, but you know, people like it.
54:22Okay. Well, who is the next question is, who are you a little apprehensive of in a way that perhaps we should
54:29have been more apprehensive of the situation that Gentie was walking into?
54:32And I, and this is a lot about situation more than the players.
54:36Yeah. Well, uh, in some ways, so like I, I, I was, as you and I discussed on the day of the
54:43draft prior to going down me, uh, Jordan Tyson, a guy that I thought was really talented on the one hand, you're
54:50like, he's going to an offense that absolutely hummed down the stretch, right?
54:54It really played well down the stretch. He, he's going into a good situation.
54:58Um, it also might be that that good situation already has enough established parties that they don't necessarily need somebody else to
55:04come in and feast at this like significant target chair.
55:07I'm going to Travis H and I got myself.
55:10I didn't screw it up there. Travis H hand, which still getting you to used to there, um, in the backfield, do you want Johnson?
55:18Have a role. Devon Bailey will have a little bit of a role.
55:22So, um, Tyson just, I feel like that offense, uh, has enough pieces already around it and has a good enough, like Chris Olave.
55:29I mean, that was remarkable last season. Whereas in Tennessee, the competition for Carnell Tate, I think Wanda Robinson's a solid player,
55:36but not at the level of Chris Olave. So, um, Tyson, I'm a little more.
55:40I hope you're right. Cause Olave, no, I know no one cares about his entertainment, but he's on my, no, no, we care about it.
55:48And I love the pick for football reasons, but there, there is that as a dynasty manager.
55:53So when the picks come in, you're like, like, like I said, Algier, I was like, come on, Arizona.
55:58And yeah, okay. So Brown's receivers would be easy candidates for this category as well.
56:03Casey Concepcion and also Denzel Boston quarterback, Mary go round could be in place.
56:07This team, again, they might just be trying to be bad down the stretch.
56:11I mean, I'm not trying to be, I know that the NBA just is about to enact this dramatic reform, this three,
56:18two, one lottery system that frankly, I'm still kind of confused by.
56:22Um, that being said, the NFL might be having conversation at the end of the season about whether they need to do some things differently.
56:29It's much harder to tank in the NFL because the sample size is really small.
56:34You might be two and 10 while you're trying and just not try as much and go two and 15.
56:40Um, but there are going to be some teams at the end of the season that are making business decisions.
56:46Go back and look at some of the notable things over the past few years, teams that could have had players.
56:52If they had just lost that one inconsequential game in mid to late December, I think teams are going to be doing that this year as well.
57:00I would be very wary of the Browns receivers this season in dynasty though.
57:05If Boston, I mean, I like, I love conception.
57:07I'm sorry about it. But if Boston is a dropper for the reason people, you know, just apprehensive other team, that's a
57:14guy I'd like to have a piece of for the future, because I do think he could be a touchdown machine when
57:21they get quarterback, but you got to have the long view there.
57:24Yeah. All right. Um, we talked about him. Uh, this is a question I think it's going to be on a lot of people's minds.
57:32So Ashton Gentry, very tough season last year. Marion Hampton flashed a bit more, but battled injury, of course.
57:37And also, you know, the offensive line was hell between the two of those backs, those first round backs from last year,
57:44who is more likely to make the fantasy leap this season?
57:47I think it's Ashton Gentry for a couple of reasons.
57:50First of all, we saw the Houston Texans game by Ashton Gentry was one of the single most remarkable performances of last
57:57season by any player in the NFL against the Avengers defense.
58:00Ashton Gentry smoked them like all time ridiculousness. Um, that was crazy.
58:04Like, I still can't believe that took place. And I think it was right in the fantasy playoffs too, where it was
58:11like, all right, Ashton Gentry is the obvious fade this week.
58:14He's so talented and he is a pass catcher, not a Jeremiah.
58:18Not a level of a pass catcher, but enough of a pass catcher.
58:21And then with, I tell you one thing that's been kind of gnawing at me this out, this off season is Keaton
58:28Mitchell got two years and $10 million to go to the Chargers.
58:32I also have him. He's, he's like kind of good, you know, like everything about that signing screams.
58:37Mike McDaniel told us to do this, right? Like this is the guy he wanted.
58:42He's from your lips to God's ears. Now he also played behind a freight train in, in Baltimore and hardly played behind Derek Henry.
58:49And Amarin Hampton is a good player as well.
58:52No doubt. Um, I'm just like, when we're talking about how do you call one player RB nine and one player RB
58:5812, these are the kind of slivers that make the difference.
59:02So the presence of, of Keaton Mitchell, he's one of my favorite late round targets.
59:06If you play best ball out there, it's one of my favorite sort of late round best ball targets as well.
59:12There's going to be a few weeks where it's like, he just had six catches for 109 yards and a touchdown.
59:19What? It's always the week I don't start in fields, but yeah, I hear you.
59:23Um, I also will say about Gentie, we know Clint Kubiak likes to pound that rock.
59:28So he's going to get opportunities. These, I think the, and obviously the litter bomb acquisition helps a lot.
59:34There are questions kind of the rest of the line.
59:37Uh, okay. Question five. I wrote is Malik Willis, a sneaky, good fantasy pickup.
59:41So the Miami offense, not great. Pass catchers pretty bad.
59:44This is a team that's going to run a lot.
59:47You got a dual threat quarterback. He was an unbelievable runner who was a good passer last season too.
59:53My skepticism is not about him. It's more about his circumstances.
59:56But we have seen this prototype have success before.
59:59Do you think despite the group of pass catchers, he might be worth keeping an eye on?
60:04He's, uh, well, I'll say this, Mina, two things.
60:07Um, he's the first mid twenties individual that has moved to Miami to make 20 plus million dollars per year that I've
60:13ever felt bad for in human history. Um, he, he, he, I just, I don't know if he signed up for what he's now dealing.
60:21I mean, sign up for it to the extent that you sign up for these things.
60:26Right. Uh, but it is a very, very thin wide receiver room there.
60:30It's going to be tough for Malik Willis to have big time numbers.
60:34That being said, in fantasy, you don't need big time numbers in the conventional sense.
60:38You don't have to be able to run the football and he can do that.
60:43And he's free. I mean, he is free right now in drafts.
60:46Like you are not on average getting Malik Willis in the first 16 rounds of a 10 team ESPN league.
60:52Something that I've seen a lot of in recent years is the growth of two quarterbacks per team.
60:58All the like hardcore analyst analyst leaks for a long time, Mina, where you just take one quarterback.
61:03And if you draft the Josh Allen or a Jalen hurts, you're just burning a roster spot by adding a backup because
61:10they're going to start one game for you when Josh Allen or Jalen hurts goes on a buy.
61:15Um, or if you're waiting until round 10 and you're getting attack Prescott, you can just grab somebody off of waivers and stream them.
61:22If Dak doesn't work out, whatever it is, um, we're starting to see more of a movement towards two quarterbacks for those that wait.
61:30I, one of the more popular parries that I've seen so far this off season in mock drafts is Trevor Lawrence and
61:36Brock Purdy guys who Trevor Lawrence was especially great for the last eight games of the season.
61:41Purdy was unbelievable for the last four or five games, except for when they played Seattle.
61:46Um, so I believe that Malik Willis is one of those perfect, like you're, you're waiting on quarterback and you're going to
61:53take two and Malik Willis, who's going for zero can be added as the final pick in your draft.
61:59I would do it. I have, I've, I've, where I'm at mine is two quarterbacks and my quarterbacks are Jared Goff and
62:05Jackson Dart, which I feel pretty good about. Yeah.
62:08Could not be more diametrically opposed, but, um, yeah, I wish I had Willis someone else in my league or he has him.
62:15Did you see the Jeremiah Love clip of him and Jared Goff?
62:19No. Oh my God. It's so fun. He was on the same Brown podcast and they were doing like, who is this player?
62:26And just had like, look at it. What? I'm on Ross St.
62:29Brown. He was like, he's my quarterback. He's like, oh really?
62:32He's like, yeah, my quarterback. It was amazing. Um, I'm sure there are people, I'm sure there's, you know, like actors you
62:39could put in front of me that I would have literally, it's like, oh, that's Tom Hanks.
62:44Oh wow. Didn't know that. Um, I, I'd be good at like survivor characters and football players.
62:49I don't know how much NFL players also don't pay attention to other NFL teams.
62:54Not at all. Especially outside their own division. It's pretty funny.
62:57Yeah. Um, okay. Question six. We're doing 10. Chase running backs not been great.
63:01Yeah. Are we buying Kenneth Walker or do we think he's going to be overpriced?
63:06Who, who's impeding Kenneth Walker from having like 280 touches this year?
63:10And that's a conservative number, 280 carries plus like maybe 50 touches.
63:13I don't even know who, who's the number two there.
63:16They took Emmett Johnson. They took, yeah, they didn't like that pick.
63:20Yeah. Yeah. They didn't like that, but I'm just not like totally sold that Johnson's going to come in and like meaningfully
63:26impact the role of Kenneth Walker, the third. He was so clearly the guy that like, it feels like they wanted Kenneth
63:33Walker, the third, as much as basically any team wanted a single player in free agency this off season.
63:39All their woes can be cured by Walker, who of course was awesome when it mattered most for your Seahawks Super Bowl MVP.
63:46Um, there were times when which the Seahawks, it struck me as the Seahawks coaching staff, not always fully trusting him.
63:52Um, he's one of those guys that it seemed like sometimes they wanted him like sometimes four yards was good enough for them on a given run.
64:00And he'd have the, the, the, the occasional pension for like, Hey, this two yard run could become a 10 yard run if I bounced it outside.
64:08And instead it becomes a negative two yard run.
64:11Um, but anyways, um, he's going to have an absolutely monster year.
64:15Yeah. He's inside. I want to say he's like, are we 12 for me overall right now?
64:20Big year coming. Yeah. Yeah. Cheese offense, even with its limitations last year, faced tons of light boxes, still Patrick Mahomes.
64:26You know, we'll see when he, his availability, but he's going to be the right.
64:31Like you're not, I mean, he's sounds like it, but I think your point about just like who's competing and also just like that was all they did.
64:39Yes. Yeah. Uh, okay. Uh, another player on the move.
64:42Can Kyler revive Justin Jefferson? Who was, you know, one of the fantasy letdowns, obviously last season relative to expectations around it.
64:49Yeah. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Uh, one of the issues with, uh, applying logic to players for like a prolonged period
64:55of time is that the year that it doesn't work out, you have to wonder whether you were like misaligned with your
65:02logic for the years prior prior, but every year it's, Hey, the thing about Justin Jefferson.
65:07Is he's quarterback agnostic, right? He can get the job done with guys like Jaron Hall and Nick Mullins, JJ McCarthy.
65:13He's going to be good. He's 10th overall pick in the draft.
65:17And then it was, they had so little chemistry and it was such a tough watch last year.
65:22It sometimes looked like they had never met. It was now I'm sure Justin Jefferson and NFL players either don't like to
65:29hear this kind of analysis or just don't care for it at all.
65:33Uh, don't, don't even, don't even acknowledge it. He was the single least enjoyable player to watch in fantasy football last season.
65:40It has nothing to do with Justin Jefferson. Like I think I could go to court and pretty credibly argue he's the best wide receiver in the NFL.
65:48And yet this poor guy last year, it was like his quarterbacks were trying to.
65:52Yeah. Remember how LeBron had that 10 point streak going for whatever it was like 20 years.
65:58It was like, Justin was riding some streak that his quarterbacks were trying to see end.
66:02Like, Hey, you know, Justin's had at least a thousand yards, whatever it is, five straight seasons.
66:08They're like, yeah, you want to tempt me on that?
66:11I'll tell you what it's look. I'll tell you what it looks like to have 824 yards this year.
66:16Oh my God. It was tough. And honestly, to his credit handled it all pretty well.
66:21Justin seems like he is that dude. Like for his talent as he is, he's got an emotional intelligence that is incredibly high.
66:28I think my one concern or fear or question is whether or not Tyler, Kyler, who is undeniably an upgrade.
66:34I've said this a million times can get his deep ball back because it's really fallen off.
66:39Um, and cause that would be anything I'm with Jefferson who really should benefit from that if he can get it back.
66:46But I'd like to see it. But like you said, it's Justin Jefferson and Kyler has had great chemistry in the past before Marvin Harrison Jr.
66:54With wide receiver ones, uh, which brings me to Arizona question eight.
66:57Does the Arizona quarterback, uh, uh, scary you off everyone in Arizona outside of Jeremiah love.
67:02I saw a hilarious tweet, Johnny venerable, who does a great job.
67:06Did you see the tweet? He covers the Cardinals.
67:09He's been so, you should follow him. I, I, I really like his show.
67:13He's been, they've been Cardinals bloggers and fans have been so funny about the Cardinals.
67:17Uh, and he was like, I'm paraphrasing the Rams are trading for miles Garrett and Jacoby Brissette is holding out.
67:23One NFC West team is trading for miles Garrett.
67:26Another NFC West team, his quarterback is holding out like whatever.
67:29The 27th best starting quarterback is holding out, you know, the question.
67:33I don't think it matters for the fantasy value of these guys much when we're the other, uh, there were, we used
67:40to call it Blake Bortling his way to success.
67:42Cause Bortles for a few years there was like this fantasy rockstar.
67:46But if you turned the game on in the second quarter, you're like, how on earth does Blake Bortles have 42 passing
67:53yards and interception and negative 0.8 fantasy points. Then you'd like come back two hours later and you're like, holy crap, Blake Bortles just scored 21 points.
68:01Let's go baby. Uh, that was Jacoby Brissette last year who just kept on going.
68:05He had this unbelievable streak of top 12 finishes.
68:08I don't think it matters that much. This Mina, I think that a lot of their offensive production could come in garbage time.
68:15I'm just, I have McBride, uh, who is one of my all time.
68:19Thanks. I truly think when I got him that after the first year, I texted you a picture of myself as Belichick.
68:25Not a great con for a GM, but my point is I think I gave myself laser eyes.
68:31Uh, I, I, I, I, I'm desperately hoping that McBride can still thrive despite whatever.
68:35I do also like the memes from Cardo's fans of Carson Beck being like in a picture with like, uh, JSN, Miles Garrett and, uh, uh, Chris McCaffrey.
68:44All right. Second question. Or last night question. Not second question.
68:47If George Pickens is a Dallas Cowboy this year and is playing and there's no holdout and whatever.
68:53We'll know by the time, you know, would you rather have CD lamb or George Pickens?
68:57CD lamb for a couple of reasons. So I do think that like talent wise, they're in the same zip code.
69:04I don't think we need to sit here and like, yeah, he's definitely better.
69:08No, like these guys are both ridiculously talented. One of them was an all pro last year.
69:13It wasn't CD lamb. The talent isn't the question.
69:16It just George, if he does play, he's not going to have a long-term deal with the Cowboys.
69:21As they have said, that creates the very popular dynamic that comes into play when a guy's on a contract year.
69:28And if you're it's, it's week seven, your hamstring just feels a touch tight.
69:32It's I'm not pointing to those thing feels a hundred percent.
69:35I've got too much to lose and not enough to gain.
69:38So it's that risk. It's George Pickens. Part of the reason why last year was so special was that George kept his
69:45head on straight for the most part, right? There's a reason why he was also available after three years in Pittsburgh.
69:51It was that you'd go three games with him being awesome and productive, and then you'd have a meltdown.
69:57So I just think CD is a more reliable player overall, both incredibly talented.
70:01They should throw the football. Once again, they're a walking top five offense with Dak.
70:06No surprise there. Both guys inside my top 10 for wide receivers right now.
70:10One of them comes with just more risk, that being Pickens.
70:13Final question. Jane Daniels, one of the most popular quarterback picks.
70:17Can he bounce back? Yes, yes. It all comes down to this is running.
70:21And I know we talk about this every year.
70:24Rushing for quarterbacks is such a ridiculous cheat code for fantasy football purposes.
70:28It just is. It feels like it was a pedestrian year for Patrick Mahomes last year in a lot of ways.
70:34And you go back and you look at the number of times he finishes a top eight score.
70:39And you're like, really? Like it just kept happening like eight times out of the 14 games he played.
70:45Because Patrick Mahomes was running for his life last year.
70:48Jaden Daniels could be running for his life. But he'll definitely just be running a lot in general.
70:54Regardless of the motivation behind the runs, as long as your quarterback is running, you will be good.
70:59So Jaden Daniels, I just I feel like a down year for him is like 400 rushing yards probably.
71:05Kind of like where Kyler was for a while in Arizona.
71:08That even if it wasn't clicking as much as a passer, he still had more of a floor than your typical quarterback.
71:15I think Jaden's a more, to me, a more talented passer than Kyler Murray at this juncture of their careers.
71:21So there's way more upside. But he is quarterback three for me right now.
71:25Josh being one. Lamar Jackson being two. Jaden Daniels being three.
71:28And I want to say it's it's one of the two quarterbacks that either previously or will soon to be throw passes.
71:35Will soon be throwing passes to A.J. Brown. It's either Jalen Hurts or Drake May or Drake May and Jalen Hurts four or five.
71:42Malik Wills is going to get so many carries this season.
71:45I just they're going to run the damn wishbone.
71:48Like, yeah. OK, well, that's good news about Daniels.
71:51All right. So let me know, by the way, listeners, I haven't done fantasy stuff that much on this show before.
71:57Other than though I very much so love clearly and spent too much time thinking about my dynasty team.
72:03So let me know if you want me to do more of it.
72:07But also, if you're interested in fantasy coverage, obviously go check out fantasy focus.
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72:14Thank you so much for joining me today. This was a ton of fun.
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