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0:56I'm your host as always, Wyatt Burlone. With me today, returning guest, friend of the show, Andrew Cooper, here to talk tight
1:02ends because there's no one better in the fantasy industry, in my opinion, to come on and talk about tight ends.
1:09Andrew, how are you? I'm doing excellent, brother. Glad to be back, man.
1:13I always enjoy chatting with my boys, you know.
1:15You do a lot of shows here and there with people that you kind of know, kind of don't know.
1:21It's always good to do a show with somebody that you know intimately well.
1:26So what's up, brother? How are we doing? Good times will be had and we're going to be giving some real good
1:32advice for everybody out there with these tight ends.
1:35Before we get to the individual questions, Andrew, give me your overall thoughts on tight ends for 2026.
1:41Yeah, I mean, and this actually goes for virtually every year.
1:44But this year, I feel more than ever that you can kind of group every tight end into one of four categories, right?
1:51You have number one studs, right? Guys that are either number one on their team and targets, lead their team and targets
1:58like Trey McBride or at least top two. We know the vast majority of difference making tight ends are top two targets on their team, right?
2:05From there, you have pure upside guys. Guys that can, in my opinion, be a top two target on their team without injury to anybody else.
2:13The floor might be terrible for this group of guys, which we'll get to.
2:18There's a lot of those guys. But they can run pure.
2:21They could actually be a top two target. After that, you have contingent upside guys, guys that are basically one injury away.
2:28A great example would be Jake Ferguson, right? Last year, Jake Ferguson, in the games when CeeDee Lamb and George Pickens were
2:34healthy, he was essentially tight end 20 in points per game.
2:38In the five games without CeeDee Lamb, he was tight end two in points per game, right?
2:43So there's a lot of those contingent upside guys.
2:46And then the last group is guys that are just kind of drawing dead, right?
2:50And, you know, that's a deep category. I mean, you can go and say, Drew Sample.
2:55How many guys would need to get hurt for Drew Sample to be a fantasy relevant tight end?
3:00The limit doesn't exist. The limit doesn't exist, right?
3:03But there's also guys that I put in that group that might surprise some people.
3:08And for me, that's anybody where you could sit back and say, this guy really doesn't have meaningful upside, as in being
3:14able to finish top five or six. We are in redraft season now, which means most leagues are one tight end spot, 10 or 12 teams.
3:22And if your tight end isn't top six, that means mathematically you have a back end tight end in your league, right?
3:29Like you have a below average tight end in your league.
3:32So that's why we're always going into the top five, six.
3:36And there's a number of guys where if it requires either two injuries or for the quarterback to have a 2013 Peyton
3:42Manning-esque 55 touchdown season, then I consider that player to be drawing dead.
3:46And we don't even want to think about them until the injuries actually start happening.
3:51And then we'll consider them off the wire. So those are basically the four categories of tight end for me.
3:57And the first three, we can make cases for anybody that falls into four.
4:01I do not draft under any circumstances. All right.
4:04Well, so Brock Bowers, Tray McBride, they're top two for basically everybody.
4:08I have seen some takes out there and put Colson Loveland ahead of McBride.
4:12But everywhere you draft, it's going to be these two at the top.
4:16They've separated a little bit, though, over the summer.
4:19Bowers is a second round guy. McBride tends to be a third round guy.
4:23But at cost, which of those two are you drafting?
4:26Yeah, it's interesting they've separated. I totally get it.
4:29I do have Brock Bowers ahead of Tray McBride.
4:31I just don't think there's that much of a difference.
4:34I mean, if you go look at like Vegas props, which isn't the end all, they do favor McBride in every category,
4:41which often happens after a guy has a big season.
4:44For me, I'm actually not drafting either where they go.
4:47I usually make a big list of guys that I believe can finish as the number one flex player in fantasy.
4:53Right. Which when I say flex, I mean wide receiver running back tight end.
4:58And then the guy in PPR, we're talking what, Wyatt?
5:01400 PPR points is usually what we get. Right.
5:04CeeDee Lamb had 400. Jamar Jakes. Last year, Christian McCaffrey had 417.
5:07The top ever tight end season is 330. And Rob Gronkowski scored 18 touchdowns that year.
5:12So it's like just, you know, last year, Tray McBride was top five all time.
5:17315 points. So for me, I usually don't draft a tight end in the second round.
5:21So even if I have Bowers ranked ahead, that means that I'm actually more likely to draft McBride.
5:27Because Bowers, how often do you see Bowers make it to the third?
5:31I have seen him make it to the swing before.
5:34But I have almost never seen him make it to the third itself.
5:38Like where you're actually in the third. Where you're not picking him as your, when you're picking first overall and you get the two and three.
5:46That doesn't count. That's not third to me. Right.
5:48Yeah. You know, in best ball leagues, if you're drafting a ton of teams like that, like I want to have some exposure to these elite tight ends.
5:57Get access to some of those seasons. But when it comes to just like your standard redraft league, like I'm with you
6:04then I'm just not really drafting these tight ends where they go.
6:07You know, when you take them this early, you not only need to have them have a great season.
6:13They have to separate from the position by a great amount as well to really be worth it.
6:19And it's hard to say that that's going to happen, even if they have really good seasons.
6:24You know, Tray McBride, I do think it's interesting that like he has the season he had last year.
6:29And he's actually going later this year than he was last year.
6:33So like of the two where I'm trying to drafting a bunch of leagues, basketball, that kind of thing.
6:39I'm getting more McBride exposure right now with the cost difference.
6:42But I'm with you that in redraft leagues, I'm really just moving down the chain from these.
6:47I forced myself to draft some McBride and Bowers at ADP because in best ball, you have to even if they have
6:54a terrible season, if they have the right spike weeks, you can win.
6:58I mean, look at Derrick Henry. Derrick Henry was fine.
7:01Right. Like he was OK, but then he had six touchdowns in fantasy playoffs and Sam Sherman wins two million dollars.
7:07Right. Like that's the best ball is totally different in that in that regard.
7:12But my advice to people out there, I'm not saying don't draft these guys, but you only draft them where they go.
7:18If you believe they will have a top five all time season, minimum top 10, because they do need to score 275
7:25PPR points to be worth a third round pick.
7:28Right. And that is a top 10 all time season like that just doesn't really happen.
7:33So and Trey McBride, man, last year he ran so pure.
7:36It's like if you and me went out and went golfing and, you know, at the expo and on Friday you shoot the best round you've ever shot.
7:45And then the next day I just say, OK, that's just what Wyatt's going to do from now on.
7:50And you and I both know that's not the case.
7:53Right. So you're probably going to go out and hack it up the next day.
7:58So it's just a matter of like everything was so perfect.
8:01I think people really understand that. But at the same time, I don't think people realize that with Brock Bowers, he's got to be perfect.
8:09And, you know, we're such a we chase tendencies as a group in ADP so often that people think somebody has to be Trey McBride.
8:16And that might not happen. Just like two years ago, you go back and look.
8:21And when Sam Laporta was the tight end one in fantasy with 240 PPR points, you know what happened next year?
8:27No tight end got picked in the first two rounds.
8:30And Laporta barely was going in the third round because of how reactionary it is.
8:35So I think people are sitting here saying who's going to be Trey McBride this year.
8:40Is it Bowers? Is it McBride? Is it Loveland?
8:43In most years, there isn't a Trey McBride. So just be very careful with that.
8:47Yeah. Do you think Colson Loveland should be considered in this tier with them, as some people have said?
8:53I think that right now I'm more likely to draft Loveland at ADP than those two guys.
8:58If they're if Loveland's ADP was was where those guys go, he would just be another tight end I don't draft because it's as simple as that.
9:06I just I can't click that name. I can't click the name of a quarterback or tight end until my personal list
9:13of guys I think can be the number one wide receiver or running back are gone.
9:18And that list like we saw with JSN last year, I think even though McBride had such a great year at that
9:24ADP range, JSN was actually the better pick. McBride wasn't even the best pick for that range necessarily.
9:30So for me, Loveland right now, I do like it, especially with this Luther Burden injury going on.
9:35It really shows how fragile the tight end position is.
9:38A lot of the results are going to be determined by who stays healthy or not, both for the tight end himself and for the players around them.
9:47Like last year, look at Jake Ferguson. Jake Ferguson wasn't even good last year.
9:51He only had 600 yards. He was exactly okay.
9:54But because CeeDee Lamb got hurt, he got a boost.
9:57Because Bowers and Kittle and even Harold Fannin missed that one game, he finished his top five.
10:02Right? Like after the couple of true stars, the injuries do dictate what the results are at tight end, which makes it such a tough position.
10:10Yeah, I don't have Loveland in that tier. I think he's a tier of him on his own in between those two and everybody else.
10:18But like you, I'm drafting more of him than them because that round to two-round difference in ADP is enough that I think it's significant to me.
10:26It's everything. And Tyler Warren, you could put him in that group if you want with Loveland or you could put him
10:33kind of in a tier of his own next tier.
10:36But Keenan Allen signing does not help. So the gymnastics, Wyatt, incredible, right?
10:40It's like everybody that loved a player will find a way to say Keenan Allen doesn't matter.
10:45The dude led the Chargers. I mean, I'm already doing it.
10:48Me too. Yeah, of course. But he led the Chargers in targets.
10:52Like he does matter. So to me, when you're splitting hairs like we are, that does matter enough to me.
10:58And then after that, I mean, we're obviously going to get into it.
11:02But like I can't put guys like Tucker Craft and Sam Laporta in that group.
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12:58Back here on Press Coverage with Andrew Cooper. Before we get to these other tight ends, Coop, what have you been working on lately?
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13:38So that's what we got going on, Wyatt. Love to hear it.
13:42All right, so between rounds six to nine, basically, we've got Tyler Warren, Tucker Craft, Sam Laporta, Harold Fannin, Kyle Pitts.
13:48Amongst that group of tight ends, do you have a favorite at cost?
13:52Yeah, I do. And for me, you look around that group, and the offseason was not super kind to a lot of those guys.
13:59I mean, Tucker Craft coming off injury, which is not great.
14:03Though they did lose a couple wide receivers. So, you know, Craft, to me, has always been more of a best baller
14:09standard guy because he's not really built for, like, heavy targets.
14:13Laporta has been dealing with the back, and they have Jamo.
14:16They have Amarasian Brown. They have Gibbs. And then Harold Fannin.
14:19And I mean, no matter how you slice it, the offseason went poorly for Fannin, right?
14:24Like, you don't want your team to come out and use a first and second round pick on wide receivers.
14:30You know, especially when they don't upgrade the quarterback position.
14:33So, for me, Kyle Pitts is one of the few guys who actually did have a positive offseason.
14:39They didn't – they could have gone out and added a high-end wide receiver, which is a death knell in many cases for tight ends.
14:47Like, if they just go out and do what the Cowboys did and add George Pickens.
14:51Like, these teams that have Pickens and Lamb, Chase and Higgins, the Saints even adding Jordan Tyson.
14:57I know he's hurt now, which has brought Juwan Johnson back in the fold.
15:01Didn't get to that. But, like, that's a huge problem.
15:04So, for the Falcons to go out and add Zachariah Branch, who's just kind of a slot flanker type guy, and add
15:11Jahan Dotson, that doesn't really move the needle. Then they paid Pitts.
15:14And they also brought in Kevin Stefanski, which we know that his offense runs through the X and the Y, right?
15:21If you don't believe that, Michael Wilson from the Cardinals has a clip this year where he straight up says, Drew Petsing
15:27runs his offense through the X and the Y.
15:30That's what they do in Cleveland. For all those years.
15:33Mentioned Amari Cooper by name. Mentioned the tight ends.
15:36And he's literally talking about Kevin Stefanski, which is where Petsing came from.
15:40So, like, this scheme, the Falcons did what you should do when you're committed to the players.
15:45Go get the guy who runs the scheme that works for your personnel.
15:49So, I am excited about Kyle Pitts. Also, you know, he's got the speed to rip off big chunk plays, which is
15:55half the battle at a position where tight end targets are at a premium.
16:00Yeah. And I was like, you know, like, I like Pitts.
16:03But, you know, like, last season, a lot of his points came without Drake London.
16:08But, you know, as the season, summer continues to go on.
16:11I'm like, man, Pitts just looks better and better to me.
16:14And one thing I think of that I think is important, you know, when it does get called out that Kyle Pitts
16:21scored so many points without Drake London. It's like, well, not all tight ends can do that, and Pitts can.
16:27And that is actually a feather in his cap, in my opinion, that, like, there aren't that many tight ends that if
16:34the number one receiver went down, they would actually just assume a larger target share in the offense.
16:39And so I've been drafting a lot of Pitts recently.
16:42Yeah, and that's the thing is that if this were a situation where they had two high-end wide receivers and Pitts did
16:49all his damage when one of them got hurt, that to me is when I really, you know, raised the red flags, right?
16:56Like, that's where we say this guy's on the outside looking in, and his only path is via an injury to one of the two guys.
17:04In this case, there isn't the second guy. And there's a new coach coming in, and there's a path to run pure as a top two guy.
17:12And one of the reasons that we always say top two is that that Rob Gronkowski season I mentioned earlier, that came
17:19in a year where Gronk was the second target on his team.
17:22In fact, Wes Walker got 173 targets that year.
17:25Historically speaking, you do have plenty of times where two guys on the same team do get a ton of targets, but
17:32it's very rare to have three guys on the same team get over 100 targets without an injury to one of the players.
17:39Last year, the Cowboys were the only team to do it.
17:42And it was because C.J. Lamb got hurt or they wouldn't have done it.
17:46And you go back through history, and there's a lot of that.
17:50There's not really a lot of cases. You know, it happens roughly 3.5% of the time, which is essentially the odds of
17:57you hitting a single number on a roulette table.
17:59And if you're not a gambler, go ask your uncle whether that's a good bet.
18:04You know what I mean? I mean, it's not a smart bet.
18:08So when you sit back and say, this guy will be the third target on the team, definitely.
18:13You probably shouldn't be drafting that guy as your primary tight end.
18:17Yeah, it's a great way to look at it.
18:20He's already in the position we want him to be in, and there's actually this potential for an even greater season if something happens.
18:27Exactly. You want to be at that – it's like handcuff pluses in running back versus just a pure handcuff, where it's
18:33like, is the guy above the line where I can start him, and then he has additional contingent upside?
18:39Versus a guy who is just like the pure backup with no upside, which is what some of these other guys are looking at.
18:47Whereas, as you pointed out with Pitts, he already is startable, and he could go nuclear with an injury to Drake London.
18:53Okay. Question for you. You're in a redraft league right now.
18:57You find yourself being the last person in your league to take a tight end.
19:01Who are you targeting in that case? So with that group you just mentioned, that is the last group of players that
19:08I will take as my only tight end, as my standalone tight end.
19:12So the way I operate is if I get one of those guys ending with Pitts and Laporta and that crew, I'm
19:18not going to take a second one. Right? Like I've already allocated enough resources to tight end.
19:24I've made my bet. I'm going to use my bench on wide receivers and running backs.
19:28If I get to this point in the draft that you're mentioning, where I've already drafted – I've probably started my draft
19:35with eight or nine running backs and wide receivers.
19:38In most cases, I'll take two. You know? One misconception with tight end, with drafting two tight ends that I see all
19:45the time, is that you are not drafting two tight ends to rotate them.
19:49Your tight end two is not your backup tight end.
19:52That is the wrong way to think about it.
19:55You are taking two shots at upside. Or you're basically finding some path to upside.
19:59What I like to do is if I draft a safe but boring tight end, right?
20:04Like a Travis Kelsey or Mark Andrews, I'm going to use a bench spot on a high risk, high reward tight end,
20:11trying to catch my breakout tight end. I don't want to be playing matchups with Kelsey in some breakout.
20:16I just want to find my breakout and move on from Kelsey or trade the guy who breaks out.
20:22And with Travis Kelsey, one of the big reasons that I operate that way with him is that this year, he has
20:29the first bye week of any tight end. So not only is he kind of a boring lower upside guy, but his bye week is week five.
20:37You're going to need another tight end. You're going to need to find one within the first month of the season whether you like it or not.
20:45So you might as well, if you wait and take Kelsey outside pick 100, take a second one.
20:51So I don't mind taking whatever kind of value I get from those guys that I think could be a top two target on their team naturally.
20:59Mark Andrews and Travis Kelsey actually fit that bill, you know, the best.
21:03The one that I want to ask your opinion on, why it?
21:07Because this is a divisive player. I've gone to the loony bin on this guy a number of times.
21:12Where do you stand on Dalton Kincaid this year, man?
21:15Because that one is one where I look at it and I'm like, he is so much different than every other tight end, is he not?
21:23With the like partial snap share. He could be a top two target on the team, but he could be a two, three target a week guy.
21:32Where do you live with Kincaid, man? Yeah. Kincaid is so tough.
21:35And I've mostly been out for his career. And I've probably been the most in this year because I think he's finally
21:42like fallen down enough ADP over the years where I can see myself like, yeah, I think this is a tight end.
21:49You compare the way you're saying like this could be that high upside bet at tight end because I mean the per route efficiency that he's had.
21:57It's just incredible, right? It's just like, can he play more than 40% of the snaps?
22:02Like, can we please have that? And he can get there.
22:05And obviously the injuries have been a big problem.
22:08You're hoping that he gets past that. But the bills still love, you know, to rotate these tight ends.
22:13I have trouble getting to it everywhere. I think in redraft where you can move on if everything looks like it's not going to work.
22:21Like it just looks like that role is not changing and it's going to be unreliable.
22:26You can move on. Best ball where you're stuck with him, a little bit shakier on that.
22:31But I do see it in the type of scenario you're talking about where I'm taking like an upside bet and maybe a little safer bet.
22:39But I can see it there. And especially in redraft where you can cut bait if you have to.
22:45Right. Exactly. It's like for me, if I'm going to take two risky tight ends and not play it safe, like I'm
22:51willing to go Kincaid and then another tight end later because he does have a floor, right?
22:57Like he does go out there and catch a couple passes every week.
23:01But you're right. The spreadsheets show like every yards per route run metric, every graph he's in the top right corner just
23:07because he's so efficient when he's out there. He just can't stay out there.
23:11So like there is a world where they just say, hey, you know what?
23:16It's time. 70% snapshot for this player. And then he just takes off.
23:20And boy, would Khalil Shakir going away be a would be huge for that.
23:24But like for now, I have a hard time just giving him just penciling him in to be somebody he hasn't been so far.
23:31So he falls into that same group for me where it's like, OK, I'm going to get myself somebody I can start
23:38early on and then I'm going to look for upside.
23:41So those are the few guys I'm looking at there.
23:44Isaiah Likely as well falls into that category for me.
23:47I know a lot of people are penciling him in as like massive upside.
23:51One thing I have to caution people on with Likely is that he is slow.
23:56Like when everyone says basketball player and wiggle, yes, he does have wiggle.
24:00He is a basketball player. This guy ran a 4.8 plus 40.
24:03Go to player profile and look it up. You can see it's like 39th percentile speed.
24:08Guys like that need to be peppered with targets to have upside.
24:12I've only seen two guys running a 4.8 or slower finish top five in PPR in 15 years.
24:17It was Keith Miller in 2012 and then it was Jake Ferguson last year.
24:22And we've already talked about how Jake Ferguson got there and how it's kind of a fugazi play.
24:27So with Likely, he could easily be a top two target on the team.
24:31He could get 125 targets. He'd get 150 targets, which is what Zach Ertz needed to get to have his one 1,000-yard season.
24:38But that's what you're betting on. Likely is not a guy that like Pitts or Kraft can do it, can make big things happen on like 80 targets.
24:47You need 100 targets for a guy that slow.
24:50But with the injury to neighbors and not knowing who the wide receiver two is, he fits the mold as well as
24:56like, okay, I'll wait and I'll take this guy as my starter and then I'll put some upside on the bench.
25:03I've been off likely almost completely. I think he's worse Dalton Kincaid.
25:06People don't want to realize that he is not going to be playing unless it's an 11 personnel.
25:12Theo Johnson and Chris Manhurts are going to be the inline tight ends.
25:16His routes are limited. His snaps are limited because of it.
25:19They just showed us in their preseason game that that's exactly what they're going to do.
25:24How much passing is this team doing and how many targets are actually available for any of these other players?
25:30Like it's really hard to see the path to me with likely.
25:34And people, the one other player that is super underrated in this aspect in terms of like taking snaps away is that
25:40a lot of these like big slot move tight ends, you put them in motion or you haven't come across and do a wham block.
25:48They also brought Patrick Ricard over. So like some of those hybrid fullback snaps that tight ends get, those are going to go to Patrick Ricard.
25:56And when Patrick Ricard comes in the game, right, you're going to have to take out a fringe pass catcher because you
26:03don't take out the running back, right? And you're probably not going to take out neighbors.
26:07So somebody in that realm, whether it's likely or whatever other wide receivers, those guys come out.
26:13You're going to have a lot of – he might not be out there for a ton of the jumbo personnel.
26:19So it does scare me, man, because you need this guy to be like – I hate to say it, prime Zach Ertz.
26:26Zach Ertz is faster than Isaiah Leaglin. That is documented.
26:29It sounds crazy, but he's much faster. Zach Ertz is going to 4-7-4, which is slow.
26:34That is like a full tenth of a second faster than Isaiah Leaglin.
26:38So it's just – you have to be very careful with guys like that because you're asking yourself who can do more
26:44with less, and speed is a huge factor directly correlated to 40-plus yard plays.
26:49You know, there's a reason that George Kittle has multiple 70-plus yard plays where a guy like Jake Ferguson has one 40-yard play over his entire career.
26:57Right. All right. Later round tight ends, are there any in particular that you think not only can finish top 12, but
27:04maybe really have a real shot of really mattering at the tight end position?
27:08Yeah, and this is why you have to be plugged into the tight end landscape because one month ago we would be saying totally different names, right?
27:16Like Chigakonkwo was on the radar, but now with the Stephon Diggs signing, that hurts, man.
27:21Dallas Goddard was completely off my radar. Now all this Makai Lemon might not be ready stuff, and now he's kind of floating in.
27:28One guy that checks a lot of boxes all of a sudden is Juwan Johnson because, I mean, this is more of
27:35a factoid than it is a meaningful stat, but one player has been on all three of the last best ball winning teams.
27:42Yeah. You know who? Yep, Juwan Johnson. Juwan Johnson, right?
27:45Like – Locke, right? But he's got a 90 – yeah, you just pick him in every league and you're all set, right?
27:52He does have 95th percentile speed. He's a converted wide receiver.
27:55And with Jordan Tyson missing the first two months potentially here, that is so much football.
28:00That is like – the season is four months.
28:03You know what I mean? It's like that is like a huge amount of football.
28:07So for Juwan Johnson now, definitely as part of a yin and yang strategy, I don't mind because I can start him the first few weeks.
28:15That's the definition of my yin tight end, right?
28:18And he has that kind of upside. So that's a guy who's on the radar for me.
28:23And then after that, there's basically two guys who I think could run pure, which means don't need an injury to have
28:30big time upside, which would be Kenyon Sadiq, who – there's no floor on this player, right?
28:35He has not been practicing. He's got the hernia.
28:38Like literally might not be ready to play week one.
28:41They're telling us he will be, but we don't know.
28:44But like what if he's just the second best pass catcher on the team after Garrett Wilson, right?
28:49Like that could just flat out be the case.
28:52They drafted him at 16 overall. And then the other – big shout out to our buddies over there at the HH
28:59house who always love to talk trash to me about this player, but tell me why Greg Dulcich cannot be a top
29:05two target, if not lead the Dolphins in targets in Bobby Sloick's scheme, right?
29:10Like that is a big slot scheme where he's – Johnnie Smith and Darren Waller both ran 70% of their routes from
29:16a wide receiver spot in this scheme. They're going to – obviously keeping Bobby Sloick, who was the past game coordinator, means
29:23they're going to keep that type of offense. Like that player, the floor, terrible.
29:27But I don't – when I'm drafting my second tight end, I don't think about floor for one second, and neither should you.
29:34So those are the two guys that can do it on a pure basis.
29:39And then you get into best ball where it's like, okay, this guy isn't the top two target of this team, but maybe there's contingent upside.
29:46If somebody gets hurt, maybe they just make some splash plays.
29:50And then that's the next group of like even shakier guys that we can consider.
29:54If you want to get in – if you want to go deep here, man.
29:59Oh, we'll get there. Now, Jawan Johnson was – I thought it was interesting before because last year, Kellen Moore basically said
30:06like, I know you're not blocking tight end, but I'm just going to play you all the snaps.
30:11It's like we need the help, right? And that was great.
30:14So it makes – even with Jordan Tyson coming on the team this year, you're like, well, at least he has like this contingent upside.
30:22Like not quite the level like we were talking about with Pitts, like where he's already in it and he just has that extra level.
30:30Jawan Johnson was one of those guys before who was on the outside, but it exists.
30:34Now it's like, well, if Jordan Tyson's out again, well, he's back to being that guy who's playing every snap and it could be there.
30:42So that is interesting. And then, of course, I mean, you already know that I'm in on Dulcich.
30:47Over 2.5 yards per outrun last year as well.
30:50Like he shows that he can be a fishier.
30:53Top five. Top five yards per outrun. People – that's that.
30:56People hate that. I guarantee you there are people out there that pulled up the top five tight ends in yards per
31:03outrun that got a meaningful number of targets. So at least like – no matter how you sort it, you can't even
31:10get him out of there unless you crank it all the way up to 35 targets, right?
31:15I'm sure there are people out there that were going to tweet that and then saw Dulcich's name in there and said, oh, I'm not tweeting.
31:23Yeah, and I mean it's just wide open, right?
31:25So like why can't he? You know? Why can't he, man?
31:29And in redraft, like if it comes out like, oh, Caleb Douglas is actually really good.
31:34Malik Washington's doing all the short intermediate stuff and like there just aren't targets for Dulcich.
31:39Okay, move on. Like you spent nothing on him.
31:41So whatever. Exactly. We're looking for – that's what I love for a guy for my last round pick when I'm doing
31:48a yin and yang tight end type thing is somebody we're going to get answers on right away because that bench spot is valuable.
31:55We need – like with my last round pick, I love taking a player where I'm going to get the answers week one.
32:02Are they playing a big number of snaps? Are they running routes?
32:06Because, you know, when you use that last pick on like a handcuff or a rookie and they just sit on your
32:13bench and you don't know – you don't have anybody to drop and it's stopping you from making waiver claims, those roster cloggers, I hate them.
32:20Dulcich is the perfect example. We're going to know week one – this is a veteran.
32:25This is not a rookie. We're going to know week one if he's part of the plan or not.
32:31And if he's not, we drop him for the next hot upside guy.
32:35But what if he goes out and runs, you know, 80% of the routes, 70% from a wide receiver spot and he gets six targets?
32:43Then we actually got the guy. But because the scheme is there, the opportunity is there, the question is talent.
32:49I've seen less talented players do awesome. Dalton Schultz, Robert Tunyon, Gary Barnage, Logan Thomas walked into 100-plus targets and finished tight end three one year.
32:57Like we can make this happen, man. Johnnie Smith came out of nowhere.
33:01Johnnie Smith, he was left for dead in this offense and he came and finished top five, right?
33:06It happens all the time. Yeah. All right. We're going to go a little bit deeper now.
33:11Say you're in a league like one of these 18 or 20-round basketball leagues where you're always drafting at least two tight
33:18ends or a seasonal redraft league in which it's really deep and you're drafting at least two.
33:23Who else out there past these players we've already talked about do you think could be relevant, I'd say, in fantasy football in 2026?
33:30Yeah. I'd say the last safe guy. Like let's say you're, just because these people get no love, let's say you do
33:37play in like a 16-team league or a two tight end league.
33:41Right? I ran into this problem in a two tight end league this year where I was like, damn, I need somebody to start.
33:48Like to be my tight end one that I think has a floor.
33:52I don't see what Jake Ferguson does that Dalton Schultz can't do.
33:56And he sure is a boring player. There's no doubt about it.
33:59But statistically over the last two years, the difference between Jake Ferguson and Dalton Schultz is like a couple touchdowns.
34:05Dalton Schultz has more yards. Many receptions have more yards.
34:08So like a guy like Dalton Schultz, like if you're in a league like that and you just need something to be
34:15safe, like let's say you fall asleep in your best ball draft and you need to draft three tight ends in the
34:22last few rounds, Schultz is safe and then you can go for upside plays, right?
34:26Like contingent upside plays or regular upside plays. The number one contingent upside play we have to talk about is Terrence Ferguson, right?
34:33Because they're not all built the same, the contingent upside plays.
34:37A guy like Elijah Higgins, which is a name that you need to know for redraft, he only has upside if a very specific player gets hurt.
34:45He only has upside if Trey McBride gets hurt.
34:48Just like Tank Bigsby only has upside if Saquon Barkley gets hurt.
34:51A guy like Terrence Ferguson has upside if either of Pukin Nakua or Devontae Adams gets hurt or if Pukin Nakua gets suspended for a couple games.
34:59You know, like if either one of those guys goes down, this guy basically plays wide receiver.
35:05He has an 18 yard ADOT, which literally ruins my spreadsheets.
35:08I had to, you're a spreadsheet guy too, right?
35:11I don't like, you're like me. I don't like fudging the numbers.
35:14I did change the color code system for my ADOT this year because the 18 yard ADOT was making him green and
35:21everybody else was just some weird shade of orange.
35:24And it's like, looking at it, it posed no, like it had to be changed.
35:28You know what I mean? So I just like made it, you know what I did is I made him blue and
35:35then took him out of it and took him out.
35:38And I was like, this guy is special. The blue guy is special.
35:42Everybody else is part of the real, the color code.
35:45But this guy, when, when Devontae Adams got hurt last year in week 16, this guy came out and ran 37 routes,
35:52which tied with Colby Parkinson for second behind only Pukin Nakua.
35:55And, but, but Ferguson got to run his from a wide receiver spot.
35:59Any Rams fan knows that this guy had multiple, multiple close call plays that were either drops by him, really good plays
36:06by defender or bad throws by Matthew Stafford, which apparently there were a couple last year.
36:10I didn't remember them until I looked at the tape, but maybe not completely perfect, but this guy could have literally could
36:17have scored eight touchdowns last year, nine touchdowns. And so he has best ball upside on a standalone basis with big contingent upside.
36:24Uh, the problem is for redraft, you might be stretching that, uh, standalone basis then.
36:29That's my one warning on Terrence Ferguson is that we, I can't come out and say that he has standalone, uh, utility at this stage.
36:36Right. And I think that's fair to say that we don't know if we can start him on a standalone basis, but
36:43we do know that he might have standalone upside with injury upside, which for me, why am I going to spend on
36:50Jake Ferguson when the other Ferguson is much cheaper and he's a better athlete and he's in an equally good offense.
36:56And he's got the same, uh, in my opinion, contingency for upside.
37:00He needs a wide receiver to get hurt. So Terrence Ferguson, for sure.
37:04Um, I mean, and I can go, I can go to one name that is very deep here.
37:09If you want it, we got to do, right?
37:12We got it. One last name. It, it, it might be a player that I was going to ask you about.
37:18I want to hear what, who it is from you though.
37:22Well, ask me about your player. Cause then we can get two more players and potentially, I'll quickly say, I like Schultz
37:28as, as like a really, really late safe pick because to be cliche, he's been that safety blanket for CJ Stroud.
37:35And I've been drafting a lot of Terrence Ferguson.
37:37I love, he has shown something that other tight ends don't do.
37:41He just has to do the things that he's already shown he can do in college.
37:46Right. And then he can become this like hyper level tight end that like doesn't really exist.
37:51Like it's just a different role in the offense.
37:54It could be really, really great for fancy. So I'll add that on.
37:58It could be special. It's like literally the, there is a role, man.
38:02I mean, you hate to say it, but like Brock Bowers is a wide receiver that is so good.
38:07He's a tight end. That's so good that they just better than wide receivers.
38:12That's what you need. Terrence Ferguson to be better than, and that's the problem.
38:16Terrence Ferguson on another team would be very exciting on this team.
38:20It just so happens that he's playing next to arguably the best wide receiver in the league and another wide receiver.
38:26That's probably going to go in the whole thing.
38:29So it's kind of a tough, you know, those hurdles are difficult.
38:32But, you know, he could be the third best pass catcher on the team flat out.
38:37But go on. I want to hear. I mean, I want to hear this guy.
38:42Yeah. The last time. We'll see if this was the one you were going to bring up.
38:47Darren Waller signs with the Panthers. Do we care?
38:50So we do care. We do care. I just did a best ball draft where I waited until my last picks and then picked four tight ends.
38:58Yeah. Those tight ends were Terrence Ferguson, Greg Dulcich, Darren Waller, who, when you talk about insurmountable objects, Ted Rowe McMillan is a star already.
39:05He had a thousand yards as a rookie. Jalen Coker.
39:08Boy, do I. I like him. I think the memes are fun.
39:12I think that he could be a good player.
39:15Insurmountable object, though. I don't think so, man. I don't think so.
39:19And now Chris Brazel's done for the year. Xavier Leggett is already a boss, in my opinion.
39:24Never learned how to not jump every time the ball comes his way, which is wild to watch.
39:29Like, you know, in terms of contingent upside, one guy away.
39:32And we know who Waller is. This guy is a force in the red zone.
39:37He can line up all over the field. You can line up at split end, which with this team, you can potentially
39:44put him out wide and let the other guys play slot flanker.
39:47Like, you have to pay attention to that, especially in best ball, where it's like touchdown is everything.
39:53So he was tight end three on that team.
39:56And then tight end four from way downtown, Elijah Arroyo is the last, the deepest guy I'm willing to say.
40:02I should have seen this one coming. You should have seen it coming.
40:06Here's the thing. AJ Barner has a profile that has a virtual 0% hit rate of finishing top five or six in fantasy.
40:13The number of, so when you break down every piece of it, there are 70 players that got at least 15 targets last year, right?
40:20A lot, AJ Barner's pass block rate of 86.
40:23I'm sorry. His, his, his inline tight end route rate of 86% was the third worst behind only Drew Sample and Mo Alleycox.
40:30Inline tight end. His pass block rate of 16.8%.
40:33I have only seen one tight end finished top five in fantasy with a pass block rate that high.
40:38That was Julius Thomas back in the year when Peyton Manning threw 55 touchdown passes, right?
40:43The only other two tight ends I've seen over 15% to finish top five are George Kittle and Rob Gronkowski.
40:49And George Kittle has a 98th percentile speed, right?
40:52This guy, AJ Barner is basically his best comparable players are Durham, Smythe and Foster Moreau.
40:57And the reason I mentioned those guys is that in this exact scheme, Durham, Smythe, Foster Moreau, Charlie Warner, Luke Farrell, Julian Hill.
41:04They do play an inline role, an inline role the way that like Noah Gray does.
41:09And that's a big role for fantasy. And I think AJ Barner has that role, but I think there's a possibility that
41:15Elijah Arroyo cars out a big slot role. He got to up to, he got up to 60% route participation last year.
41:22If Elijah Arroyo plays even a 40% route snap share the way Dalton Kincaid does, AJ Barner has no upside.
41:28AJ Barner is the biggest sell for me. If anyone will buy him from you in all honesty.
41:34But what if Arroyo does get that big slot role and he kind of carves his way into a Dalton Kincaid, Harold
41:40Fannin, Colston Loveland role alongside Dawson Knox, Cole Komet, David Njoku.
41:44More established guys in my opinion than AJ Barner even is.
41:47But like, what if they do that? Who is the second pass catcher on that team after JSN?
41:53Rashid Shahid is a field stretcher. Cooper Cup is like a part-time coach, whatever he's doing over there.
41:58It's like Torrey Horton, who is basically just an understudy to Shahid now.
42:02They're kind of setting this up to be an offense that does use two tight ends and Arroyo's role would be better for fantasy.
42:09And he could have a path to be in the top two target on this team.
42:14So for me, that's the deepest player where I can definitely the deepest player where I can look at it and say there's pure upside here.
42:22There's upside where this guy runs pure and doesn't need an injury to be a top target on the team.
42:28But what if JSN gets hurt and the entire house of cards falls down, right?
42:33175 targets available on this team. I mean, then it doesn't even – then who knows what could happen.
42:38So like a guy like Elijah Arroyo, again, might not even play.
42:42This guy might be big nothing. But he's like the – I can't even – and I obviously try every day to
42:49find anybody out there that has a case to be a top two target on their team without somebody getting hurt.
42:55That's the deepest I can scroll to find pure upside with no injury.
42:59So Elijah Arroyo, I mean, it's there. Yeah, I love the deep cuts here, Coop.
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