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0:52This is the Mind of Mansion podcast. We are live with Pete Nova and we're going to talk about the player rankings.
0:59Everybody is starting to get ready. I was just at the deli and we'll talk about an interaction I had with some youths at the deli.
1:07I have an e-bike gang in my town. So we'll talk about that.
1:11We have some players that Pete and I disagree on, but there's also a handful of players out there that are just
1:18screaming buys based on where we have them ranked on Player Profiler and where other sites.
1:23Somehow the ADP, I don't know if it's broken.
1:26I don't know what it's going on. We're going to get it all figured out today on Player Profiler's Mind of Mansion program.
1:33So are you familiar with the youths, these e-bikes?
1:36At first, I thought you were going to say that a couple of young kids on bikes tried to jump you or
1:42something, but then I started reading the tweet a little bit more and I saw the interaction that you guys had.
1:49Was this in an Italian deli or what are we talking here?
1:53Well, first and foremost, we have a swarm, swarms, multiple swarms, e-bike gangs.
1:57I was just driving my hybrid car down the road, minding my own business.
2:01Next thing I know, on my right, on my left, in front of me, behind me, it's 20 middle schoolers on e-bikes bullying me off the road.
2:09And I'm like, last time I checked, you guys don't even have driver's licenses and shouldn't you be getting exercise?
2:16Back in my day, when I had a bike, I had to pedal the thing and I wasn't allowed to just ride
2:22it in the street with the cars. I don't understand how this is even possible.
2:27And then when I talk to people that have some connection to municipal laws, they're like, oh, we know it's a problem.
2:34Oh, they're thinking about passing laws. It's just, oh, the technology is outpacing the administration of the rules.
2:39We have to figure it out. I'm like, yeah, you got to figure it out.
2:44I mean, I feel very old and I feel super crusty by saying this.
2:48And because normally, you know, I'm Mr. I crashed my bike not long ago, screwed my shoulder up.
2:54You know, I used to, you know, ride BMX bikes in races when I was a kid.
2:59Like, you know, I'm not out here trying to, you know, ruin the fun of people that I mean, they're all good kids.
3:06It's not like this is like these are kids that are breaking into cars or anything.
3:11They're not doing anything technically illegal. It's just you can't believe it's allowed when you're driving down the road.
3:17You just can't believe it's allowed. And when you see a swarm of 20 kids on e-bikes, I was pretty intimidated.
3:24Yeah, a little scared. I was pretty intimidated by these 13 year olds.
3:28And so I went to a deli to get breakfast with my daughter after soccer.
3:32She had a little early morning soccer practice. Went to go get an egg sandwich.
3:37And I saw these e-bikes lined up in front of the deli.
3:41And I was like, oh, well, look at here.
3:44Look at here. Look at who's at the deli.
3:46The little e-bike gang, you know, I don't know.
3:49They really need to come up with like jackets and badges, logo.
3:53They need to really own this branding to be a real e-bike gang.
3:57I think that someone needs to take a leadership role.
4:00I hope they have a clubhouse somewhere. You know, certainly I would have been the first one if I was a kid
4:07to get one of these e-bikes and be part of the gang.
4:11Absolutely, I would do that. We were eating our sandwiches and then they were behind us.
4:16And I started hearing them talk about, guess what?
4:18Their fantasy drafts. And so they're talking about fantasy drafting and strategy and all these things.
4:23And so we were inevitably listening in on their conversations.
4:26And I'm like, you know, nodding to myself in agreement or shaking my head.
4:31No, that's not right. So much to my daughter's chagrin, we go to get up and I walk over there and I
4:38pointed all of them and I said, hey, kids, draft Zay Flowers.
4:41And I walked away. And then and I so I throw my paper plate away or whatever.
4:47And I'm heading out the door. As I'm walking out the door, a kid turns to me and he goes, what round?
4:53I whirled around and kept my finger out, my old man finger, my crusty old man finger.
4:59And I pointed to him and I said, after you draft Scadaboo.
5:02And I closed the door and we were gone.
5:05And my daughter was infuriated. Yeah, secondhand embarrassment. It reminds me of the Rocky.
5:10Rocky, you know, I think it was first Rocky movie when Rocky walks the girl down, walks the girl home and she
5:16flips him off at the end and says, screw you, creepo to him.
5:20I thought that's why you were going to say that they said to you after you told them the draft Zay Flowers and you turned around there.
5:29That would have been poetic then. But you didn't really say exactly what you what you have.
5:34Is this again, is this an Italian deli or what are we what are we what are we talking about here?
5:41What kind of what do we have? We get we have an Italian deli.
5:45Several Italian delis because we're in Connecticut. So we are sort of New York adjacent.
5:50We certainly have Italian delis. This is OK. This is not one of our signature Italian delis in town.
5:55However, this place is known for having the best chicken parm sandwich.
5:59OK, and you can tell because when you order the chicken parm sandwich, you can hear them drop it into the fryer.
6:06OK, so you can hear it sizzling in the fryer.
6:09Then it comes out super steaming hot with the cheese melting all around it with cherry peppers.
6:14It's incredible. It's a great sandwich. Well, it's funny you say that because I I'm not even kidding.
6:20I was like stressing to make sure that I got here ready for the show in time.
6:25And I was cooking dinner before and I made chicken parm.
6:29I did. I made it with an egg wash.
6:31I actually made my fresh sauce. It usually takes it.
6:34I mean, usually they say sauce should take hours, but I do fresh sauce and I can get it done in like 30 minutes.
6:42I know. No joke. Fresh mozzarella. All that. I swear on my life.
6:46I made chicken parm right before this. I even took a picture.
6:50I was going to post it on Twitter. Maybe I'll post it after the show.
6:54Please. Yeah. And, and mentioned me on Twitter. I am being more active on Twitter.
6:59It's been one of my, one of my second half of the year resolutions was to be more active on Twitter.
7:06I was up last night. I was tweeting like crazy as a tweet storm at fantasy underscore mansion.
7:11How do you follow you on Twitter? Uh, super Nova 38 with two hours.
7:15Super Nova 38 with two hours. Okay. Easy enough.
7:18Pete Nova on Twitter. And you'll find me. You'll find it that way too.
7:23You'll, you'll find him. It'd be no, no problem.
7:25Um, and, and by the way, I thought in, in, in honor of, of this, this encounter that I had with these
7:32youths, I decided to wear this shirt. Everyone is entitled to my opinion.
7:36What is that? Is that a barstool shirt? Where did you get that?
7:40I just, I made it. You made it. I made it.
7:44I made it because it's true. It's a truism.
7:46And I said, I wanted to make sure it was on a shirt and it's, it's a little tight.
7:52I really only wear it on shows. I can't really wear this outside for several reasons.
7:57A little shmedium. Yes, it's a shmedium and it's obnoxious.
8:00And, and so it's great for the show. Everyone knows that I turn up the obnoxiousness on the show, but man, am I a sweetheart in person?
8:09Oh man, that's the, that's the, that's the reputation.
8:12That's the rep of the pod father for sure.
8:14Super sweetheart in person, sweetheart, absolute sweetheart. And so there's several rankings up on player profile.com that I think people will find interesting.
8:21Certain players were like, oh yeah, they're, they're very bullish.
8:25Yeah. We're, we're not tied to consensus in any way.
8:28You're going to see some, some, some bullish takes.
8:30One of them that I can't really get my head around is how there is this just lockstep consensus that Puka Nakua
8:37is either wide receiver two or wide receiver three, but never wide receiver one.
8:42And when, when I look at our projections, you know, leveraging Bradley and all the smart people here, Billy, think about, think
8:48about who we have here, helping with projections. Puka Nakua, man.
8:52I mean, he is a step above every other wide receiver.
8:55Just when you look at what his probable target share is going to be his historic efficiency.
9:01And the, the only explanation, there is only one explanation that I can come up with.
9:06And that's that somehow, some way he is an off the field risk now because he had this, this incident where he was accused of biting a woman.
9:14And it has come out the picture, like a new picture has surfaced on social media of the bite mark.
9:20And so here it is, the bite mark. I have it up on there on the screen here.
9:26If you're following along on, you know, we're on X, a player profiler, Roto Underworld on X, Twitter and Facebook.
9:32Check us out at Roto Underworld on Facebook. We're also of course on YouTube.
9:37And there you can see, man, that's a pretty deep bite mark.
9:40It's pretty, pretty wild. Yeah. When you showed it to me, I was looking at it and I remember seeing the first
9:47picture of it when it came out initially. And I did not see that.
9:51So you must be chronically online a little bit these days because I'm usually on pretty heavily.
9:57And this is not something that I saw. I mean, this was on many, many sites have posted this.
10:03So you missed it. I mean, this is on you.
10:06This is not me like in the cracks and crevices of the internet.
10:10This is you. This is on you. If you want to be super online, if you want to be online supernova, you'd
10:17be finding this stuff on your own. That's the only explanation.
10:20That bite mark is the singular explanation because there's no target competition there in Los Angeles.
10:25There's no one that's a target magnet out of the backfield.
10:28There's no elite tight end to worry about. There's no wide receiver three.
10:32You can't even name the wide receiver three. Who is the wide receiver three?
10:37Is it Jordan Whittington? I think it's Mumfield. Is it Mumfield?
10:40Who the hell? I think it's Mumfield. Actually, go to playerprofiler.com slash news.
10:44We can pull that up. I think I saw.
10:47Yes, I think I saw that Mumfield actually is.
10:50He is the wide receiver three in Los Angeles.
10:53And I don't care. Why would I care? I mean, the wide receiver three is really just all of the tight ends on the team.
11:00If you just put them all and made them one player, that's really the wide receiver three at this point.
11:06It's going to be, you know, nobody's going to touch the target share of the tight ends after you get past the two wide receivers.
11:14So it's really just the two and then the rest.
11:17Yeah, I don't get it, man. I mean, I just don't get it given the target math.
11:23I'm very target mathy this year, but also focusing on upside.
11:26And that's going to be a big part of the show today.
11:30There's going to be some players we disagree about.
11:33We're going to talk about Ricky Pearsall. We're going to talk about Jalen Coker.
11:37And I know you hate Jalen Coker and you love Ricky Pearsall.
11:41And we're going to talk about it. I don't necessarily hate either of those guys, but I certainly love Jalen Coker.
11:47And I just found it interesting where we have Coker ranked in that Pearsall tier.
11:52But, I mean, Pearsall is in a tier way above Coker when you look everywhere else.
11:57So I thought I found that interesting. That's going to be something that we talk about.
12:02There's a lot to talk about. Just so I know, if you're drafting and you're at, say, the 103 and every wide
12:09receiver is available to you, are you going Puka?
12:11Now, for me, I am going Chase. I mean, my projections, I have Puka actually projected slightly higher, 19.3 versus Chase's 19.
12:18I think the appealing thing for Chase is that I do think he has more touchdown upside.
12:23And I know touchdowns aren't necessarily sticky. But when we're talking elite players, I mean, we know Jamar Chase is going to get into the end zone.
12:32And Puka is going to get there too. But I worry more about Devontae in the red zone than I worry about T.
12:39Higgins, who Higgins is still going to get his as well.
12:42I just feel like I'd rather – these guys are neck and neck.
12:46Puka, I have him as just – I think he's going to have more yards per reception.
12:52So that kind of is what really pushes him over the top.
12:55Their targets – I actually have Chase with more targets.
12:58But I just have Puka with more yards per reception.
13:02So, yeah, I think I'd rather go with Chase.
13:04I mean, you have Puka. You have the off-the-field stuff.
13:07I'm not super concerned. I don't think Puka is going to do something reckless and get in trouble in season.
13:14I mean, he's going into year four looking to secure a massive contract.
13:18Like, is this guy going to be that stupid to mess that up?
13:22I really don't think so. It's just one of those storylines in the off-season that's grown some traction and we're bored.
13:28But once he gets on the field, no one's going to remember it and it's going to be fine.
13:34I do worry more about Puka's health than I do Chase just because he's like a car accident, I feel like, on every play.
13:42And he puts his body like out there much, much more than I would say Chase does.
13:47So that I worry about a little bit too.
13:50So it's really just they're neck and neck for me, but I just prefer Chase.
13:54I think they'll be behind in games more as well.
13:57So they'll have to throw. Where McVay does like to have more of a balanced attack as well.
14:03I think there's a higher probability that Devontae Adams misses games this year than T.
14:08Higgins. I could absolutely see T. Higgins smashing this year.
14:11I think we're just ahead of consensus on T.
14:14Higgins. I think T. Higgins is a nice little value this year, especially in Dynasty.
14:18T. Higgins, because he's reached the age apex, he has become very affordable, a great buy in Dynasty.
14:24I actually have drafted several T. Higgins in startups even because he's one of those guys that just happens to be falls a little bit.
14:31He falls a couple of slots past where he should, given his age and given the situation.
14:37Rams, Cowboys, Lions, Bengals. These are simply teams I want everybody.
14:40That's right. There's just you don't have enough picks.
14:43The problem is we don't have picks, right? The first few picks, you're choosing between players on these top teams.
14:49And then pretty soon they're all gone. They're all gone.
14:52But you believe that the next team to target would be San Francisco?
14:56So it's a tricky spot, right? Because Buffalo, I have Buffalo projected for the second most points this year, right?
15:03Touchdowns wise, I have them at 50. I have Detroit at number one.
15:07But Buffalo just doesn't have a lot of interesting pieces.
15:10And they have expensive pieces. You're paying through the nose for James Cook.
15:14You're paying for Josh Allen, right? Kinkade's kind of cheap and affordable.
15:17And DJ Moore hasn't gotten there yet. But I think people will start to get more interested as camp reports come out.
15:24He looks really good. All this stuff, yada, yada, yada.
15:27When I look at San Francisco, they come across as a team that I think I haven't projected six most points in the NFL, right?
15:35Six most touchdowns. And they're a team that only has one player inside the top 50.
15:40And that's Christian McCaffrey. So that's a team that I want to take chances on, right?
15:45Mike Evans, I think it's a beautiful landing spot for him.
15:48And I know we'll talk more about Mike at some point, maybe today, maybe now.
15:53But Mike Evans, I think he's a really, really- Why not now?
15:57Why not now? Why not now? I mean, we're more than five spots ahead in our player rankings on Mike Evans and Terry McLaurin.
16:04These are both plays where the target math is in their favor, heavily in their favor, okay?
16:10Mike Evans has this offense to himself. I understand there's a Bulls case, an upside case for Ricky Pearsall.
16:15It's hard to find a late-round wide receiver with more upside, given his athleticism, given the fact that he's in one of
16:22these top 10 offenses, than Ricky Pearsall. But Mike Evans is competing for targets with non-wide receivers primarily.
16:28A running back out of the backfield and a tight end coming off an Achilles rupture.
16:33It's going to be Mike Evans in the red zone.
16:36It's going to be Mike Evans. Mike Evans, he has a lot to prove.
16:40He's chasing history. He's solidifying a Hall of Fame.
16:43It's just, it's so, I mean, he's not that far away, right?
16:47He puts together one or two more productive seasons, thousand-yard seasons.
16:50I mean, he's going to, he's going to rock it right up into the top five receiving yards leaders of all time.
16:57And if he, he is a threat to be the all-time receiving yards leader when his career is over, I think he sees all of this coming.
17:05And all the reports out of San Francisco are that he is a leader.
17:10He is leading by example, more than anything else.
17:12That he is one of these guys that is showing up early, that is leaving late, that's in great shape already.
17:19And you can tell he wants it. Like this is one of those seasons where he's coming in healthy finally and looking really, really sharp.
17:27And everyone around the organization's like, this is amazing.
17:30Like we have, we have a Ferrari finally in the garage at wide receiver.
17:34Yeah. Evans, it's, it's, we have reached a point where the there's, there's always a lot of, um, there's always different philosophies in fantasy football, right?
17:42And it's always been, you know, people very scared of the older players.
17:46And I think me and you talked about Mike Evans last year, right?
17:50It was same similar time last year. And we talked about Evans and it's just, we get these massive discounts on these
17:57older players because people are just scared of the age.
18:00Like that's just really what it comes down to.
18:03But Evans, the, the way he plays is a guy that like it's an called Bolden ask in a sense of like
18:10physical big body guy that can still score touchdowns will be a threat in the red zone.
18:15And the truth is George Kittle coming off of the Achilles rupture.
18:19I don't know how involved he's going to be in the red zone.
18:23And just as like, Hey, this is the number one option, right?
18:26Like I think red zone target share, like I have it like a pretty close.
18:31Split between CMC is the number one. I have Evans like right there at number two and Kittle's like slightly behind him at number three.
18:39Evans should have, should be looked at in my opinion, as the Devante Adams of this season from what we saw Adams do last year.
18:46Right? I mean, keep in mind, Baker Mayfield looked phenomenal to start the year last year, but he also was playing hurt.
18:53Rock party's a more accurate thrower of the football as well.
18:57And so he's going to be able to put it in places for Evans to, to just make simple adjustments on the football.
19:04And that's something I look forward to where with Baker, there were times he had to make tougher catches.
19:10I love Baker, but he doesn't have that touch and accuracy that Purdy does have.
19:14And Purdy just has that timing and rhythm. He just understands leverage of defenders much better than Baker.
19:20I would say Baker's just a more athletically gifted player.
19:23He's got a stronger arm and he can move around better.
19:26And he's just, he's just tough. Right? So I'm high on Evans.
19:30I have him somewhere around 14 points per game, which really, if you look at the math and look who is projected
19:37at 14 points per game, he's going at least like a round behind where I expect players to score points in the round ahead of them.
19:45So yeah, I'm bullish on Evans. I mean, you go back to 2023, he said, how many years has he had great
19:52quarterback play couple with Tom Brady and that's it?
19:55Is that it really? This is, this may be like the second best quarterback he's ever played with.
20:00And 2023, he put up 1900 plus air yards, had one of his best yards per reception season, at least in the last five, five, six years.
20:09There's been very little drop-off. Look at the target rate last year.
20:12The target rate was incredibly high, 27.6% targets per route run.
20:16That was top 10 in the NFL. Never plays out of the slot.
20:20Never goes in motion. They haven't even had to rely on any tricks yet.
20:24Everything he's done so far in his career has been posting up on the outside to give maximum width to all of his teammates and play space.
20:33And he's also absorbing the number one alpha corner on any given play is more, more likely to be locked up on Mike Evans than anyone else.
20:41His motion rate last year, all stats available on playerprofiler.com 3.3%.
20:44That ranked 173 among NFL wide receivers. Literally every other wide receiver in the league went into motion more.
20:50If they just put him in motion a little bit more, just 5%, maybe 6%.
20:55I mean, I don't know what he's capable of.
20:58I've never seen Mike Evans in a situation where they're setting him up with easy targets.
21:03This might be the year. If I'm Kyle Shanahan and I see how uncreative Mike Evans has been deployed throughout his entire
21:09career, I'm thinking my wheels are turning because every single defensive coordinator has a history of how Mike Evans has been played.
21:16Some successfully, some less successfully. But they've never seen him out in motion a lot.
21:21It's not something that's even being accounted for. I can promise you that.
21:25So week one, week two, week three, they start putting him in motion more.
21:29Oh my, I'm not saying they will. I'm just saying these are all possibilities that provide upside that is not being baked in.
21:36Now there's also upside that's not being baked in with Ricky Pearsall, right?
21:40Ricky Pearsall has never produced more than 10 fantasy points per game.
21:44He's had a couple of good weeks in his rookie year and he had a couple of good weeks last year.
21:51And then a lot of weeks where either wasn't getting the usage or he simply wasn't being productive.
21:56He was being erased like he did against Seattle.
21:59But there's upside there in that, okay, this is a player on a top offense and the wide receiver twos on most
22:06of the top offenses go many rounds earlier, whether it be Devontae Adams, whether it be Jamison Williams.
22:11So T Higgins. So just based on, hey, I want the wide receiver two on an elite offense.
22:17And you scroll down the board. There's this giant light shining on Ricky Pearsall.
22:21And I do like that. He's athletic. Like I have, I do.
22:25I do like that. Like I, I like, I like athletes.
22:28I like guys that are explosive and they catch the ball over the middle.
22:33They can break a tackle and score a touchdown.
22:36And certainly Ricky Pearsall is really good at that.
22:38Like we've seen him do that in some of these big games, some of these spike weeks, these occasional spike weeks that he's had.
22:46So I see it with Ricky Pearsall as well.
22:49This is just one of those, one of those teams where the entire passing game other than Christian McCaffrey.
22:55And you can even argue Christian McCaffrey is probably being drafted a slot or two behind where he should be.
23:01And you could argue Mike Evans being drafted around after he should be Kittle drafted around after, if not more than he should be Pearsall with Pearsall.
23:09It's tough to even use rankings and projections on Pearsall because it's a pure upside play.
23:14And once you have your starting wide receivers, why not?
23:17Right. Why not just go Pearsall once you have your starting wide receivers.
23:21So regardless of what his projection is when everyone's healthy, it doesn't really much matter.
23:26So this is something that you and I talked about before the show.
23:30And I wanted to make sure that we mentioned it, that this is one of those top offenses.
23:35And Purdy is part of this where there's a discount across the board because of injuries, because they face planted so bad last year.
23:43And the San Francisco 49ers are a great source of value.
23:46And I'm just embarrassed. I haven't been on that all year.
23:50There's a bunch of other teams that I'm like, this team's a great source of value, whether the running game here, the passing game there.
23:58But San Francisco's just, I think, a gold mine right now.
24:01Yeah. And I would say one thing, too, with Pearsall, when we talk about his average points per game, you know, last
24:08year when he, when he averaged 30 routes a game or more, he averaged 12.2, 12.12 points per game.
24:14So when he's involved, when he's on the field, when he's playing and he's running routes, like he's been involved in the offense.
24:21And I think that's, that's what matters when you talk about like, just again, unfortunately, we brought it up.
24:27Like there's some guys where they've got injuries and they get the benefit of the doubt.
24:32And there's some guys that don't Ricky Pearsall. It's a love, hate relationship.
24:36You either are really, really excited to draft him or you're like, I want nothing to do with this guy.
24:42There's really not many people that are kind of somewhere in the middle.
24:46It's pretty polarizing player to talk about, but to me, and like you said, like why at pick 90 at that point, you're really going for upside plays.
24:55And the way that this season in ADP is shaking out, like wide receiver running backs get really pushed up the board, right?
25:02Really, really pushed up the board. And then it's really wide receivers.
25:05Tight ends have kind of fallen back this year.
25:08And even elite quarterbacks have fallen back. There's only one quarterback going into top 36 this year.
25:13Last year we saw five. So, you know, that's making it.
25:17So there's just not as many upside plays and you're getting a guy that's, that could be a gold mine here.
25:23If he stays healthy and on the field. Yes.
25:26If he doesn't stay healthy, that's really the only case.
25:29I see him not paying off, but for a pick 90 price, the injury risk is, is super baked in, uh, you
25:36know, for, for where you're getting him on the board.
25:39Think about this at wide receiver, because of the target consolidation that's been going on around the league.
25:45Whenever you are running more 12 personnel and 13 personnel, which is the current league wide trend.
25:50You have some of these teams also that are talking about split back sets, bringing back the full back.
25:56This dude, you're just, you're what you have to do for all these creative new formations.
26:01These offensive coordinators keep talking about these press conferences.
26:04It requires pulling wide receivers off the field. And we've seen the trend, the downtrend of wide receiver two and wide receiver three production.
26:11So if you just want to just do the quick back of the napkin math is how many wide receiver ones are there in the league?
26:1932. How many top 10 wide receiver twos are there right on top 10 offenses?
26:2410, 42, 42 wide receivers. So pretty much you're not getting a lot after wide receiver 42.
26:29Given that it does make more sense this year than almost any other year that I can remember to go robust RB,
26:36to start a draft with three RBs early, especially in best ball in seasonal leagues, redraft leagues.
26:41You're going to see a lot of winning teams that start running back, running back.
26:46And that used to be like the, the, the clown start five years ago, people starting running back, running back were laughed at.
26:53I was laughing. It was the boomer start. I was doing this.
26:57I was doing this before it was cool. Okay.
27:00And I was laughed out of the room and I was like, I don't know guys kind of, I guess you don't know how to draft wide receivers.
27:08If you're, you must have a wide receiver around two, I can't go.
27:12And then all these round two wide receivers would Boston, but it's, it's too late.
27:17It's, it's January. And my victory lap really is not resonating with many, especially the, the analysts that were wrong this year.
27:24It's like, okay, we see finally the coming to Jesus on this, but it took all these offensive coordinators, basically abandoning 11 personnel for us to get there.
27:32Fine. All good. So again, just want to make sure everyone has the green light from me to start running back, running
27:39back in, in whatever fantasy league you're in. Absolutely.
27:42And if you want to go RB times three early, like three running backs in the first four rounds in best ball, please, by all means do that.
27:51That means you have to draft fewer, fewer running backs.
27:54And then you're basically in a tournament setting. You're just betting on those three guys staying healthy.
27:59If they stay healthy and then all these wide receivers are stacking up later.
28:03Some of them hit, or they just get a spike week here, a spike week there.
28:08You can piece together a team that wins literally like tens of thousands of dollars.
28:13Some of these platforms like fast draft underdog and so on.
28:16So there, then there, then there's the question of, well, okay, then why are you guys so far ahead on Jalen Coker?
28:23Because last time I checked, uh, Jalen Coker is not on a top 10 offense and he's not the wide receiver one.
28:30So what are we even doing? Why, how could you have him adjacent to Ricky Pierce?
28:35All it's like, well, last time I checked, Ted McMillan also isn't healthy and there's no tight end of consequence.
28:41There's no running backs that command targets. There's not a wide receiver three.
28:45Anyone can name. Is it John Mechie? Who is it?
28:48Is it Xavier Leggett? I don't know. Probably Chris Brazel.
28:52That's still, he's a rookie. Is it Chris? It might be Chris Brazel.
28:56Probably not because you know, these, these rookies, they get buzz in camp.
29:00And then once the real training camp starts, not OTAs and preseason starts, then suddenly these non first round wide receivers tend to fall away.
29:07Especially the ADP. The ADP also tells a story where the ADP of a Chris Brazel in June is going to be
29:14very different than the ADP of a Chris Brazel at the end of August, especially after these high stakes leagues and they start coming out.
29:22And I will say that player profile are proud to announce a partnership with the NFC or NFFC as it was previously known.
29:29This is my favorite high stakes format because it's start three wide receivers.
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30:38What I love is that these codes work, not just for the first time deposit or certainly first time 100 to get
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30:47But then there's also these other codes where anytime you want to enter a tournament, you get a huge discount.
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31:06There's a lot more contests there. I would suggest everyone checking that out.
31:10So Jalen Coker specifically has upside that I don't think many, many, many people see because it's not necessarily true that Ted
31:16McMillan is going to be Ted McMillan. He didn't participate in OTAs.
31:20And if you had to pick one team that may struggle to run the ball where you think, oh, this is a
31:27team that's going to be running the ball up and down the field.
31:31They're very run heavy. The problem is their offensive line has been getting injured.
31:35They're probably the most injured offensive line of the off season.
31:39The issue is it's harder to run the ball.
31:41And yes, I know that Bryce Young is going to have fewer seconds to throw the ball as well, but that doesn't
31:48necessarily mean they're going to throw the ball less.
31:51That is one of my favorite fallacies to take advantage of that.
31:55Oh, their offensive lines degraded. So then the entire offense suffers.
31:58Actually, what happens when the offensive line is degraded, the running game suffers a lot more because they're going to have to sit back and throw.
32:06Sure, there's going to be more sacks. So let's say there's a sack.
32:10OK, now they're looking at third and 15. Guess what you're going to get?
32:15What are you going to get? You're going to get an 11 yard completion with soft coverage to Jalen Coker.
32:21Jalen Coker is super efficient. He's a great football player.
32:24I'm not saying he's Ted McMillan. And there are some Ian Harditz, certainly over at Roto Wire.
32:29He's very bullish. There are some people out there that know what they're doing and are bullish on Jalen Coker.
32:35But we've been out ahead on this guy forever.
32:38And so if I had to say, OK, yeah, we have the back of the napkin math, 42 wide receivers, plus probably
32:45three others in specific situations where, OK, the wide receiver ahead of him has had a lost offseason and the team might throw more than expected.
32:53So there's going to be a couple of those examples.
32:56But in all those cases, that wide receiver like a Jalen Coker has to be good at football.
33:02You agree. Jalen Coker, very good at football. Yeah, I would.
33:05It's really hard. I mean, here's the thing. When we do these projections, right, it's really easy to kind of just say
33:12there's just no way this guy gets to this.
33:15And you start to say like, you know, sometimes you say, oh, this guy's going to have a great year.
33:21And then you start to say, well, how does one get to a great year?
33:26How does one get to that point? Right. Is it coaching?
33:29Is it putting on muscle mass? Is it just rehabbing and coming into the year healthy, which we talked about Tet, who's
33:36already kind of got a little bit of a dinged up foot right now.
33:40He hasn't he hasn't practiced all offseason yet with a team.
33:44And it's hard because, you know, we were talking about a pre-show and we talked about the draft like Jalen Coker.
33:50We were all like, this is a massive, massive draft for Jalen Coker because they didn't really bring anybody in free agency.
33:57They got Chris Brazel, who's really more of a downfield flyer.
34:00Like I don't expect him to have a massive target share.
34:04And then you just look at the targets. Like I expect this team to be playing from behind like a decent amount.
34:11Right. Like, I mean, their defense is solid, but it's not it's not going to be a top 15, top 10 defense.
34:17In my opinion, if you give more targets to Ted, he's pushing like 150 and he had 122 last year.
34:24Well, who else does it go to? I could see Xavier Leggett maybe getting around 50, maybe Jatavion Sanders strikes a little
34:31bit of a step forward and get somewhere on the 60s.
34:34But it's like, where do these targets go? And like when people try to like, you know, when people that aren't looking
34:41at the data and the numbers and people say, oh, data, data, data, I don't want to hear about the data.
34:47It's all and we're nerding out. It's like, OK, well, there's a pie and we have to cut up the pie.
34:54Where do the targets go? And for Coker, it's like it's impossible for me to give him like less than a 20
35:01percent target share because who does the targets go to?
35:04I mean, I expect to have anywhere from 25 to 30 percent target share.
35:08They didn't bring any big dominant is going to take targets.
35:11So like I feel comfortable about Ted. But it's like with Jalen Coker, like it's not even like we're not asking a
35:18ton, but it's like you just look around in this room and it's like who is getting more than a 12, 15
35:25percent target share outside of those two guys. And I struggle to find it.
35:29And when I do try to find it, it feels like I'm forcing it.
35:34Again, it doesn't really make sense. Now, I understand that Jalen Coker's like yards per route run, not exceptional, right?
35:40But there is one metric that I that I zeroed in on with Jalen Coker and that was his yards per target.
35:47His catch rate has been incredible. He had a 76.7 percent catch rate and a 100 percent true catch rate.
35:53One hundred percent. That's why I know he's good at football.
35:56That's it. Because every catchable target that he had, he caught last year.
36:00Now, it wasn't an incredible number. Get 43 targets of those 43 targets.
36:04Everyone that was catchable, he caught. And, you know, so you're going to have a couple of guys that are late round
36:11picks that work their asses off and are just super efficient.
36:15And it's just a it's just a matter of time before they get an opportunity and they crush.
36:20Who is his best comparable player on player profiler?
36:23Michael Wilson. Michael Wilson. So if something happens and there's a setback with Tett McMillan's foot, everyone's going to be saying, oh,
36:30yeah, you know, he was a top 20 wide receiver last year, maybe even top 10.
36:35But that was with Tett McMillan out. When Tett McMillan plays, he's like a 10 fancy points per game guy.
36:41And so he's not actually that good. And then in 2027, don't draft Jalen Coker.
36:46You can already see this happening. You can already see this play out.
36:50Exactly. You know exactly how this is going to play out.
36:53So, yeah, I think he is the exception that proves the rule.
36:57I think what you do is you find you can find these 42 wide receivers that are worth drafting.
37:03And then the fun part for us is finding the wide receivers that are the exceptions that prove the rule like a Coker.
37:10They're actually there. The easiest way to find them is with the target math.
37:14Like I said, there's there's target math. And when you when you lay out that offense and who's going to be catching,
37:21they're going to be playing from behind with a with an offensive line that is going to make it harder to run the ball.
37:29That is how I think about the Carolina offense.
37:31And that's why I'm bullish on Coker from an opportunity standpoint.
37:35And his yards per target and catch rate are the reasons I'm bullish on Coker from an efficiency standpoint.
37:41And look at his athleticism. He has just as much burst as Ricky Pearsall.
37:45So it's not like he's he's one of these like technicians that doesn't have the athletic upside.
37:50No, no, no. There's up there. The only thing holding him back is Bryce Young.
37:55And that's a big thing to hold. That's a big.
37:58I get it. It's a small thing in that.
38:01Bryce Young is small, but it's a big. It's the reason it's the reason if he were on a different offense, he
38:08would be being drafted many rounds earlier. If he were drafted in the first round by the Carolina Panthers originally, I mean,
38:14can you imagine how excited everyone would be? They'd be a lot more excited than they would be about Ricky Pearsall.
38:21They were how excited they are about Ricky Pearsall, who has similar burst to Jalen Coker.
38:26Ricky Pearsall is the fourth option on his team.
38:29Jalen Coker is the entrenched surefire number two option when and if Tet is even healthy.
38:34And so if there was better quarterback playing Carolina, you could see Coker going two, three rounds ahead of Ricky Pearsall.
38:40So I think one of our goals in this show would be to identify at least three guys.
38:46So we get like a top 45 wide receivers.
38:49That's just, hey, we have back of the napkin that gives us 42 and then we'll get three more.
38:54Just super, super. I mean, the most basic approach here.
38:58By the way, Ricky Pearsall is actually right on the nose wide receiver 42 in ADP, ironically enough.
39:03But I'm sitting here. Thank you. But he has more upside than probably three or four or five, even 10 guys ranked ahead of him.
39:11Yeah, no, I agree. And Coker really is interesting because when I do look at the projections, I mean, he's ADP's like in the 120s.
39:19I didn't think he was going that late until we started talking about it, but.
39:23It doesn't make any sense. This is why this show is called ADP arbitrage.
39:28It doesn't make sense. The target math, the upside.
39:30And again, there is upside with Jalen Coker. You heard it here first.
39:34Apparently it, it doesn't add up, man. It doesn't add up.
39:38That's why I put it in lights. It's like if you're drafting Ricky Pearsall at the moment you're thinking about drafting Ricky Pearsall.
39:45You might also consider Jalen Coker. Yeah. You could go for like a, like if you need a running back in that
39:52round, in that range and you like maybe Rashad white, or you are like a Jonathan.
39:57I mean, maybe you don't want to take Jonathan Brooks because you don't want to double up on a bad offense there.
40:04But I mean, if you need a running back and there's somebody you like there, you might say, well, you know what?
40:10Like I'm getting maybe not the ceiling of Ricky Pearsall, but I'm getting pretty much at least the floor, maybe a higher floor than Ricky Pearsall is.
40:19Well, I would say it's tough. The ceiling for Pearsall is higher for sure.
40:23I mean, this is, this is one of the harder thing.
40:27Like who actually has more upside because, because the other thing that I look at, and by the way, I have three napkins at this point.
40:35We have to get another napkin because there's another back of the napkin, which is, I just like guys that play in the South.
40:42If they play in the South, I like them, especially the NFC South.
40:46This has been true for years. Bad defenses. Many years.
40:49I mean, how long has this been true? What's up with the NFC South?
40:54They cannot find a defense and they certainly can't find anyone to play in the secondary to stop these guys.
41:00So whether it's Olave, you go down to Godwin on Bullish on, you get, it's just another reason to, you're going to
41:07have six games against the NFC South. That's just another reason.
41:10And then meanwhile, Pearsall, some tough defenses, you know, you know that he, he's not going to be able to do anything against Seattle.
41:17That's that's his kryptonite. Yeah. Well, Evans will be there.
41:21So Evans, Evans probably gets, you know, weather spoon, but it's, yeah, it's, I mean, listen, I like Coker.
41:26I do like Coker. I do like Coker. I'm glad you admitted it.
41:30Both things can be right though. Both guys can be undervalued.
41:34I like them. I like comparing them because they're like adjacent in our rankings and then we can debate, kind of debate them.
41:41But really at the end of the day, like these are just, these, these are guys we like, especially if you go
41:48robust RB, you're, you're going to, if you, if you're going robust RB, I'm going to lean a little bit more Coker.
41:55Cause I think Coker also has a higher floor because he is the number two option as opposed to number four option.
42:01So if you're going robust RB, probably Coker. And if you're going to draft some wide receivers early, if you're going to
42:08draft like JSN or someone early, then probably you're going to have your starting lineup and your flex are all going to be accounted for.
42:16Even at the NFFC with the three wide receivers is if you're at that point and Pierce saw still on the board
42:23that he is the ideal upside bench player, you just, you don't have to play him in week one.
42:29That's what I love about a guy like Pierce.
42:32All, if you can get him at a point where you don't have to play him week one, then you can just see how he looks.
42:40You can see how they're going to use him and it, it, it see how George Kittle looks, see how Mike Evans looks there.
42:47The one thing about San Francisco is there is a lot of unknowns.
42:51One of these teams I think is on the fringe Jacksonville.
42:54Do you consider Jacksonville to be a top 10 offense?
42:58I do. Uh, I'm, I'm, I'm excited. I'm excited for it.
43:01I mean, man, I, I, I, I'm, I'm high on Parker.
43:04I know, I know that the wide receivers are very, very big discussion.
43:08I think Trevor Lawrence is also an incredible value as well.
43:12Uh, we're dropping on player profiler tomorrow, uh, quarterbacks that go pretty much rounds seven to 10 that you can target if
43:19you're not going for elite quarterbacks and Barack Purdy and Trevor Lawrence are both in that video.
43:24Would you rather have Purdy or Lawrence? I'd still probably rather have Purdy.
43:28Uh, just because I haven't projected for more yards.
43:31Um, I haven't projected for more yards and I just, I know the continuity and I honestly think you can argue the
43:38point that, that his weapons got better this off season.
43:41And we already know the offense is, is going to be really, really good.
43:45Did you know that they signed Mike Evans there in San Francisco?
43:49Oh, I heard that they did sign him. Yeah.
43:52I heard that. Yeah. I heard that too. I think we might've talked about it at some point, but I can't remember.
43:58It's been so long. It's been so long since we talked about them.
44:02Well, just tell me about the Jaguars though. Cause you brought them up for a reason.
44:07I mean, are you a detractor for the Jaguars?
44:10Because I get the vibe that maybe you are, or maybe you're just trying to poke around and see where I'm at.
44:17Most of these teams that are outside the top five.
44:20So we agree. They're not a top five offense.
44:23I generally like to pick one of the, the phases of the offense to, to invest in, whether it be the running game or the passing game.
44:31I'm on the passing game in Jacksonville because, uh, you know, I'm, I'm just, uh, I can't get there on tootin.
44:38I can't get there. Can't get there at ADP.
44:41Can't do it. Can't do it. And there's no upside there with, with Chris Rodriguez.
44:45It's just, it's a touchdown play. Maybe you go Chris Rodriguez for touchdowns, deep dynasty leagues.
44:50I have a lot of LaQuint Allen, but that's more of a passing game play because it's satellite back.
44:56You keep hearing that Jacksonville is very, very eager to extend Parker Washington at value.
45:01Parker Washington and Jalen Coker might as well be brothers at this point.
45:05These guys were late round picks. They dealt with, uh, struggles getting into the league at all.
45:10Parker Washington more because of injuries in college and Jalen Coker, because he went to Holy cross.
45:15And one of the reasons I know Jalen Coker is good at football, regardless of any metrics is because how, how, how
45:22quickly he saw the field as an undrafted free agent.
45:25He'll set a record for how quickly he saw the field and got meaningful snaps as an undrafted free agent.
45:31So right there, I knew. And then the a hundred percent true catch rate, right?
45:36And then with Parker, all you're hearing is that this guy is a maniac that he, I mean, maniacal work ethic, like
45:43the greatest work ethic in the league to the point where, and this is why you listen to the show.
45:49This is why you watch the show on YouTube.
45:52This is why you listen to the show on podcasts because you hear some of these things.
45:57Parker Washington doesn't have workout metrics. So we really have no idea how athletic he is in informal testing that scouts did
46:04a Parker Washington at the college level had him pegged to like a four, five ish 40.
46:09And we have him best comparable to Jeremy Macklin on player profile, which I think is absolutely fair, but his measurables also align with Jerry rice.
46:17That's great. That's you gotta, you gotta let that one breathe.
46:21I'm waiting to hear the, I'm waiting to hear why.
46:24And there's only one player. There's only one player because Jerry rice predates like really cops, right?
46:29It's a, he was at a small school, right?
46:32And does he have, does he even have a 40 time that you can even trust who knows, right?
46:38Our data on him is, is, is not very good at all, but we have a player page for him.
46:44Even they don't, don't pay attention to it. There's, it's all nonsense.
46:48I would, no one knows his breakout age is like 30.
46:51No one knows it's not correct. We don't even know how to calculate it.
46:55He's so old, but he was so great by far and away the best player.
47:00There is only one player in the NFL comparable to Jerry rice on player profile.
47:05Do you know who it is? I'm going to say it's Parker Washington.
47:09Cause I know you said Jeremy Macklin. So I guess not.
47:12Jeremy Macklin is not, but CD lamb is. So CD lamb is the only player comp to Jerry rice on the site.
47:19And if there was to be another player comp to Jerry rice on player profiler, it is probably going to be Parker Washington.
47:26Parker Washington is showing up at 5. AM to the facility.
47:30He's one of these guys that has to get special permission from the coaches to get a special key card and like a special parking spot.
47:38So he could live in the facility full time.
47:40He is a maniacal obsessed individual and they love him.
47:44They love him. And if there's any reason to be slightly concerned about Brian Thomas, it's that he's simply going to be
47:50the second banana that he's not going to be the wide receiver one that his target share is going to be at least 5% less than Parker Washington.
47:59And then if he is competing for targets in, in that wide receiver to chair with Jacoby Myers, Jacoby Myers has never
48:06dropped below like wide receiver two on his team.
48:09He's one of the most consistently wide receiver to players.
48:12He's always able to achieve wide receiver to level target share.
48:15So then where do you, where, where is Brian Thomas in this situation?
48:19You're, you're hoping Brian Thomas delivers the spike weeks.
48:22And certainly I believe that's the case. And that's part of the math with Trevor Lawrence is if you do believe that
48:29we're in for a bounce back season for Brian Thomas.
48:32And I do. And you like Parker Washington. I don't like Parker Washington.
48:36I love Parker Washington, but then I also am aware of the truth.
48:40That is Jacoby Myers and how much they love Brenton strange there.
48:44Suddenly it's like, wait a second. Well, number one, tootin's not getting any targets like right there.
48:49Like tootin's not getting any targets. Forget tootin, forget the dream that is tootin target share.
48:54Get out of here. It's not going to happen.
48:57It's going to be those four guys. Forget, forget Travis Hunter.
49:00If you have, if you have Parker Washington showing up at 5 a.m.
49:04Every day and you have Brian Thomas and you have Jacoby Myers, you don't need, you don't need him.
49:10You don't need Trevor, Travis Hunter. Forget Travis Hunter.
49:13There's no need for him. There's no impetus, right?
49:16There's not, there's not. It's like, uh, it's like in, like in soccer.
49:20If you have two strikers and, but you play one striker, one guy up top, but that striker is also fast.
49:26You could just play him on the wing. And that's just what happens.
49:30Like he, there's no room for him to play striker, but your team is way better off if he's on the field.
49:37Well, Jacksonville's way better off having a great football player like Travis Hunter on the field.
49:42It's just at the quarterback position. That's where they're better off.
49:45If they want to win games, they're going to put them at corner.
49:49They're going to park them at corner. Last thing they need is another wide receiver.
49:54Given those three guys are exactly what we thought they were.
49:58I believe Brian Thomas is going to be exactly what we thought he was, which he's going to give you a thousand yards on 99 targets.
50:06That's what Brian Thomas is. And he's going to give you plenty of spike weeks to help you in best ball.
50:12And it's going to be great. And he's going to be frustrating in seasonal leagues.
50:17You have to keep playing him in flex and just eat, you know, eat the zeros.
50:22It's going to happen. And those that want, that are in deeper leagues that want a consistent flex, they're going to go ahead and plug in Jacoby Myers.
50:30And everyone that wants a late round tight end with some upside and a good offense is going to go Brenton strange.
50:37I think he's a better player than a guy like Jake Ferguson.
50:41Like you're what you're getting in Jake Ferguson is what you're getting in Brenton strange with a little more upside.
50:47So therefore, yeah, I love this entire offense, but I just want to be on record saying that we could be in for something special.
50:55And then narrative around Parker Washington could, could go places this year.
50:59And, uh, and it's, it's late July and I'm already there comparing Parker Washington to Jerry rice.
51:04Yeah. There, there, there are a lot of narratives around the Jaguars.
51:08And honestly, there, there's a lot of take lock around the Jaguars too.
51:12Right. I think people are, you know, if I, if I have to hear another person comp Travis Hunter to, you know,
51:18the highest wide receiver drafted until since Calvin Johnson, like she's going to pull my hair out.
51:24Like, I mean, I think when you look at the offense and when you, when you know ball and you, and you
51:31watch what actually happened down the stretch, Parker Washington was the best wide receiver on the field by and large, they're going to give him an extension, right?
51:39The Parker Washington situation is funny because they're going to income to an extension.
51:44It's going to happen, right? It's been reported that they've been trying, whether that's in the middle of camp, whether he holds
51:50out in camp, which I don't think that's going to happen, but he's going to get an extension.
51:56He'll be there long-term. The truth is if Parker Washington gets an extension long-term, they just extended Brendan strange and Jacoby Myers got an extension last year.
52:04The only thing people will say is, well, that means BTJ is out on his way out.
52:10I don't see that happening either because Brian Thomas Jr.
52:13is, it would be like the lions letting go of Jamison Williams.
52:16Why? Yeah. It's because, because people think the NFL is like fantasy football.
52:20It's like the owner that comes to you when you have three quarterbacks on your roster and super flex, and they decided
52:27to punt the position or get really greedy in the startup draft in a dynasty.
52:32And they got Michael Penix on their roster and Baker Mayfield are their two quarterbacks now.
52:37Right. And, you know, because he drafted last year.
52:40Right. And they're like, well, you have three quarterbacks.
52:43You can't start them all. Like, like, why don't you give me a discount on a guy?
52:48Like, it's like, it's like people feel the same way with BTJ.
52:52Like the Jaguars are just going to trade, you know, and make a strength like weaker because, because they don't necessarily need him.
52:59So to speak, like real football understands that BTJ opens up the offense, right?
53:03He opens it up downfield. He opens things up underneath because he's such a threat.
53:08And when you look at Parker Washington, the truth is he is what makes the Jaguars offense better, Matt.
53:14I mean, when I, you know, I wrote about it a week ago and with Parker Washington on the field, the total
53:20EPA, the offense is plus 077 per play. Now on pass plays, their EPA on pass plays is almost three times higher
53:27when Parker Washington's on the field than when he wasn't last year.
53:31Right. So it was very clear and obvious that Washington became a guy that is a focal point of the offense.
53:37They like him. And the truth is BTJ has issues going over the middle.
53:42Parker Washington didn't have those issues in college. That was actually one of the things that they talked about as a strength
53:49for him is he had that fearless ability to go over the middle.
53:53When we talk about projecting the offense though, Matt, like I have Parker Washington.
53:57They're going to be a nightmare to, to match up with, for defenses.
54:01Oh, a hundred percent. And that's why, that's why Trevor Lawrence, like, like I said, if you don't want to take a
54:08risk on picking the wrong wide receiver, that's fine.
54:11At least get a piece of the offense, Matt, you talked about it, right?
54:15You want pieces of top offenses, right? I don't think this is top five.
54:19I think it has potential to be top five this year.
54:23If you told me at the end of the year, Hey Matt, Hey, or Hey Pete, Hey, uh, Jaguars wound up being
54:30a top five offense in points and scoring this year.
54:33I wouldn't be surprised. I mean, would you be shocked if somebody told you that at the end of the season?
54:39I mean, where, where, where in the rankings of NFL offenses did the San Francisco 49ers land with Jerry Rice as their
54:46wide receiver one with, with, with, where, where was, where was Joe Montana and Steve Young ranked?
54:51And Trevor Lawrence isn't even those guys. Trevor, I don't think Trevor Lawrence is that good.
54:56I don't think it matters anymore. It doesn't matter.
54:59Nothing doesn't matter. You think Jared Goff's that good?
55:02No. Jared Goff's the right guy in the right place at the right time.
55:06And that's, that's now Trevor Lawrence. The thing is what kills me is that Trevor Lawrence is going to be in the MVP to conversation in, in October.
55:15And it's in, he has not had the bust season that reveals him as not the reason like Jared Goff, no matter
55:22how good Jared Goff is, he's not going to win MVP because what happened in Los Angeles and they punted him out of there.
55:29Okay. So, and now it's all about, Hey, he's on an up-tempo offense.
55:33He's got these great weapons. And Shamir Gibbs, I mean, it's, it's cartoonish.
55:37So even his wide receiver three is like Isaac Tesla, who's going to have, it's like a 25 yards per reception.
55:44It's going to be crazy. And so I, it's, it's, it's a bit of a bummer that a guy that it's going
55:50to be a situation based production predominantly is going to be launched in the MVP conversation.
55:55Cause he was the one-on-one and he was the Clemson golden boy.
55:59And now he's finally realizing his potential and they're going to talk all about the coaching.
56:04Oh, get ready for whoever the Jacksonville offensive coordinator is, is going to be the first one to be, to be signed
56:11away, to be a head coach somewhere else. That's going to happen.
56:15So we're going to have coach of the year, uh, offensive coordinator, getting a job somewhere else, a big head coaching job somewhere else.
56:22And Trevor Lawrence in the MVP conversation. And it's really going to come down to that foursome, including strange, right?
56:28So BTJ, Parker, Washington, Jacoby Myers, Brenton strange, they're going to get them over the line.
56:33And all those guys are values. None of them are getting drafted high.
56:37And so this is when, this is going to be a top offense that, that you can get multiple guys and, you
56:44know, strange and Parker Washington, how I love getting strange.
56:47Strange and Parker Washington. I can't, I can't tell you how much I love seeing a strange and Parker Washington on every team.
56:54And I'll be like, because Parker Washington is a guy who can start with confidence.
56:59And so is Brenton strange. Yeah. Strange. Strange. I have him at like 87 targets this year.
57:04I don't know where, where you guys, where, where we have them on player profiler, but, um, he has that upside, right?
57:11I mean, and he's a guy that can block.
57:14So that's the benefit that he has too. He can block and they just brought in more tight ends.
57:20So that also kind of frees him up to be able to be the guy that goes out for passes while the
57:27other guy stays in, if they do move to heavier sets.
57:30And one note before he moved to strange, I also do want to say to last note on Parker Washington, people seem
57:37to be concerned if they do move to heavier tight end sets, that Washington won't be out there nearly as much.
57:43But the truth is Parker Washington actually played outside more last year than he did in the slot.
57:49He was actually 55.52% of his alignment was actually outside.
57:52So he actually played more outside than he did inside.
57:55So the narrative of being concerned that he will get pulled off the field because of the heavier tight end sets is
58:02kind of bogus in my opinion as well. He is a throwback Z receiver.
58:06Do you know who else was one of the great throwback Z receivers of all time?
58:11Maybe the best Z receiver of all time? Jerry Rice.
58:14I should have just said Jerry Rice. I was thinking some really old player.
58:19For some reason, like my mind went like 70s, 80s.
58:22And I just said, just tell me. I love it.
58:25I just had these moments, man. I had these moments of clarity.
58:29And I was like, I can't, I can't take it anymore with this Parker Washington.
58:33Like, I just can't. I was like, what I got.
58:36And then I was like, Jerry Rice. Travis Hunter fans are in truth is are in shambles with this Hunter.
58:43I know people are just people. I mean, I have, I have Hunter projected for 58 targets.
58:48I think that's pretty fair for a guy that I think is going to be on the field for maybe 55, 60% of the snaps on offense.
58:56Maybe. And that feels like it could be generous, right?
58:59If they need him, like if, if, if there's an injury, I hope, I hope it doesn't happen.
59:05But if Brian Thomas is hurt, they'll agree that they don't need him.
59:09Otherwise they don't need him. They don't need him.
59:12And he, it makes no sense for that. It just doesn't make logical sense for them to play Travis Hunter at wide receiver.
59:19And it's crazy. So, but just, just we've covered two items in our show sheet.
59:24I didn't even have them in the show sheet.
59:26I just want to apologize to Pete in advance.
59:29None of this was even prepared. Like we didn't, none of this.
59:33So I, there's a, there's a bunch more to talk about and, uh, we're going to, we will, we will get, we'll get into it after this.
59:41You know, I get asked is AI ruining fantasy sports.
59:44And the answer is absolutely not. We've had consensus rankings available for a long time, but people subscribe to the player rankings
59:51at playerprofiler.com for super flex, tight end premium, best ball, even like offensive line rankings.
59:56Of course, your rookie rankings, your dynasty rankings, those are all available in the ranking service for playerprofiler.com password protected.
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60:08Woo. It's a good deal. Jameer Gibbs. I want to talk about him.
60:12No one ever talks about him because it's like, oh yeah.
60:16Gibbs and Bichon. Okay. Moving on. Well, we just did it.
60:19Actually. We were, I just, I'm guilty. Like I want to talk about Puka.
60:23Oh, Gibbs, Bichon, Bichon, Gibbs, Puka, right? But this Jameer Gibbs, man, 30 points per game.
60:28What's stopping him? What's going to stop him? How could you stop?
60:32They, just like we talked about target math, imagine the highest efficiency running back now remove all touch competition and put them on the top offense.
60:40Yeah. Gibbs is tough. You know, we, we talked a little.
60:44He's tough. No, no. He's tough to get to 30.
60:47He's tough to get to 30. 30 points is kind of crazy.
60:50I mean, it is crazy, but it's doable. Hey, if Parker Washington's Jerry Rice, I was looking at it.
60:56Marshall Falk did it in, uh, in 2000. Priest Holmes did it in 2002 and Marshall Falk also did it again in
61:032001 on a points per game basis. LT actually had 30.07, about 481 PPR points.
61:08And that was it. Christian McCaffrey, 29.45. Just that was now that McCaffrey did it.
61:12Just say McCaffrey did. Okay. He did. He did close enough.
61:16Close. I mean, close enough. Come on. Close enough.
61:19Close enough. So that, that's why I actually, I know it's like, oh, that's, you know, it's so close.
61:24We're talking like one versus another, uh, you know, this is, uh, you know, we're splitting hairs.
61:30We're splitting hairs. I don't think we're splitting hairs, right?
61:33We're splitting hairs. The, if you just want to go on like default projections, then it is certainly possible that Bijan, you
61:40know, from a floor standpoint would be a better play.
61:43Bijan is more durable, right? He could, he's much bigger and can withstand a heavy workload, uh, from just looking at injury risk.
61:50Sure. Okay. So if you want max, if you want to flee to maximum safety, okay, cool.
61:55You can do that. But Bijan, his ceiling, his absolute ceiling, if everything goes right and it's not going to go right,
62:02it's really not going to go right because he has two left-hand quarterbacks.
62:06Ooh, Atlanta, uh, 25 fantasy points a game. There's an additional five fantasy points per game out there that Jameer Gibbs is an opportunity to capture.
62:14And for that reason, I think he is easily, that's why you can't just like download.
62:19If you downloaded our rankings and sorted by default projections, then you would never draft Ricky Pearsall, right?
62:25You would never, because he's the fourth option you would, you would take Bijan over Jameer Gibbs just based on default projections.
62:31And it's like, well, no, okay. That's one. But what, what about there's a reason why they go?
62:37Hey, cause I get this question, right? Cause so many people subscribe to our rankings are like, why do you have Gibbs ahead of Bijan?
62:45But the projection is like, listen, the, the range of outcomes for a guy on the lions is very different from a guy on the Falcons.
62:53And I'm not sorry. Honestly, I love that point too.
62:56Um, when you just talk about the range of outcomes, it's, it's, it's not baked in.
63:01Right. I mean, if there was like a nice little notepad next to the number of rankings and the number for the
63:08rankings, and you could just see, Hey, like caveat, Hey, like range of outcomes.
63:12Maybe that needs to be something that gets added more on projections where it's like, Hey, like this is the ceiling that we think.
63:20Right. And we put like that next to like the points per game projection.
63:24Right. But like, I'm with you, right? I actually, I have Jameer Gibbs projected for 23.4 fantasy points per game, 23.4.
63:30And it sounds crazy. And like, but it's really not right.
63:34I mean, when you look here at all. Yeah.
63:37I mean, when you, when you look at it, Pacheco is not nearly as good as David Montgomery.
63:42I mean, genuinely speaking, I liked Isaiah Pacheco at one point in time, but at his prime and where David Montgomery was
63:49at those first few years in Detroit, like Pacheco couldn't hold his jockstrap in my opinion.
63:54I mean, did Montgomery way better football player than Pacheco and Pacheco can't stay on the field either.
64:00So yeah, I mean, and this offense too, even if there's more mouths to feed in this offense, it's an offense that
64:06has Dan Campbell there where like, they don't care about running up a score.
64:11There's nothing to feed. There's Amon Ra and everything else is fungible.
64:14Jamison Williams is a hundred target player. No, I don't even think he's a hundred target player.
64:20I have JMO at like nine. He's like right there at 95.
64:23Laporte is going to be the number two, number two target.
64:27Wait, did you just do this to me? Did you just say, let me just rewind.
64:32We got to rewind the tape. Okay. I want to rewind the tape.
64:36Okay. This, this was, this, this is, I've never seen, I've never actually experienced this in my life.
64:41I said a hundred and you were adamant. You were adamant.
64:45You said, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
64:49I have been 95. You know, you know what was coming out of me?
64:53I think, I think part of what was coming out of me is that a lot of people are high on JMO this year and I'm not.
65:02So that, I think that, that inner, that inner, you know, bias came out of me where it just kind of, kind
65:08of just jumped out at me real quick. You were very defensive about it.
65:13We're, we're in agreement. We're in agreement. We're talking about a tight end with back issues.
65:18We're talking about a hundred target field stretcher and Isaac Tesla beyond Amon Ra.
65:22That's it. Oh, I'm sorry. The seven targets, the Pacheco's whatever.
65:25You think that you think Tesla, what do you think his ceiling is for targets this year?
65:31When we say ceiling for targets, this is when everyone's healthy and he just outperforms because his ceiling for targets in the
65:38event of a, of a Jamison Williams suspension or injury is, is probably a hundred.
65:42But outside of that, we're talking 50. Yeah. I have my 45.
65:46So that feels right. Oh, so we're way off.
65:49Same thing. Same thing. Same thing. But I probably actually haven't projected more than you do now that I'm, I mean, I
65:56want to get, I want to get Tesla more targets, but I just, we all do.
66:01We all do. We all, we all want, we, we all, we all want more from Tesla.
66:06We, we, everyone wants more from Tesla. It's just, it's, you know, two guys that I want more from this year, but it's hard to squeeze it out.
66:14Flournoy and Tesla. Yeah. But they're in the right places.
66:18They're in the right places. They're on the right teams to make it happen.
66:22Absolutely. So, all right. So that we're, we're, we're in agreement.
66:25There is yet more upside with, I think this is one of those things where this will start to be more of
66:32a conversation point as we get into the summer and, and it sinks in what this guy can do.
66:38Another guy that, that I think we're more bullish on than consensus.
66:42I really want to get your, your take on this because I got them again in the, in the latest startup and
66:49cause typically it's a great thing, right? Cause I always hear you even said it.
66:53Too many miles to feed. People usually love it.
66:56He's the only guy. He's all they have. They're going to feed him.
67:00They're going to, they're going to run him till the wheels fall off.
67:04And then there's, there's D-Von H where no one can figure out who the hell is going to get any targets there at all.
67:12I keep hearing Greg Dulcich is, is really the, the de facto number one receiver in Miami, which given Greg Dulcich's resume is hilarious.
67:19And I know Malik Willis is going to run the ball.
67:22Yes, he will. Sure. Sure. He's going to run the ball, but this is going to be the D-Von H and show.
67:29And I've, I've just been shocked how far he slips in all formats.
67:33Yeah. A-chain. I, I have a chain. Here's what I would say about a chain.
67:38I would rather take a chain at cost over a guy like Ashton Jen, like a million times out of a million times.
67:45Right. I mean, you talk about two guys that are going to be in really bad offenses, I think.
67:51And Jen D has, I appreciate you saying this.
67:54I appreciate you saying this by the way. So I just want everyone to know this show.
67:59We're focusing on the positive. We're focusing on the positive in this show.
68:03There are certainly other shows that will happen at some point this year, very soon, where we talk about players.
68:09We're fading into oblivion. And in terms of ADP arbitrage, that's a great point that Jenty goes a number of picks ahead.
68:16And last time I checked, Jenty's offense, no good either.
68:19Jenty has Brock Bowers to compete with for targets.
68:22I find it bizarre. I mean, is this, is this like, are we worried about Jalen Wright touches crowding out?
68:28I don't understand. I just, I don't, it makes no sense.
68:32HN has, is a proven performer. Jenty is still a projection based on draft capital.
68:36And he has a great profile. And I like him.
68:39I just can't draft him. There are plenty of players.
68:42I like, I just, I can't draft him there.
68:45What? It's crazy. Jenty. Yeah. Jenty. I, so I did the, I did the numbers and I was, I was taking a
68:52look before the show just to, just to get an understanding of Jenty, right?
68:5614.4 points per game last year. I have him projected for 16, right?
69:0016. I haven't projected, but the problem is when we talk about range of outcomes and we talked about Detroit, what are their range of outcomes?
69:08The range of outcomes for Jenty is 12 points per game.
69:12Like, I think that's very possible for Jenty. And I did the math, right?
69:16Since 1999 to 2025 running backs that had six touchdowns and 60 receptions on the season, 80% of the time finished as a top five running back.
69:25Okay. I have Jenty projected for six touchdowns and I have him projected for 60 plus receptions.
69:30You know what the difference between Jenty and those guys that did hit the 80%, none of them were on a bottom five offense.
69:37I went through all of the names, not a single guy that was top five that had those metrics was in a bottom five offense.
69:45They were all in good offense. So I just, I just can't get there for Jenty because I look at other players
69:52that go around him and it's like, I'd rather have Chase Brown over Jenty.
69:56I know it sounds crazy, but I'd rather have Chase.
69:59You'd rather have Chase Brown. You'd rather have Devon Echan.
70:02You'd rather have James Cook. Yep. And James Cook.
70:05A hundred percent. Of course. I'd rather have a Marion Hampton.
70:09Hampton. I'm still working through, but I think I'm kind of working through Hampton.
70:13Hampton's in a great offense. Hampton's also a first round pick.
70:16There was an argument. It's a whole debate. Just a little over a year ago.
70:21Oh, well, how close are Hampton and Jenty going to get drafted?
70:25Yes. Jenty. But Hampton arguments for Hampton, right? Hampton's a much better play.
70:29Much better off waiting and going with a guy like Hampton later in the first round.
70:34Much better value on Hampton than on Jenty. These guys are very similar.
70:38One guy actually is Hampton's bigger with similar skill sets.
70:41So much, so many, such a dichotomy and comparisons, a like for like comparison between Jenty and Hampton.
70:46I, we went through months of this. And now one's on the Chargers with a great offensive line.
70:52We talk about the reverse of what's happening. If there was an opposite world, if there was a Carolina Panthers opposite world,
70:59it would be the Los Angeles Chargers. Where everything that's going wrong for the Panthers is going right for the Chargers.
71:05The opposite of Bryce Young is Justin Herbert. The opposite of the Carolina offensive line, at least health situation, is what's happening in Los Angeles.
71:13Where stud tackles are getting healthy. And I haven't, I mean, hope nothing happens, but so far this is as healthy as
71:20the Chargers have been in an off season. In my memory, the only one that's hurt is Lad McConkie.
71:26Yet another guy. See, Lad McConkie, the timing was bad on McConkie.
71:30He got steamed up in June. You don't want to get steamed up in June because it's, it, it, he can't, it was unsustainable.
71:37Where he got steamed up to, everyone came to Jesus on this Chargers offense and they, they, they circled around Lad McConkie.
71:44Didn't really push Hampton up as much as I thought it would, but it steamed up McConkie and it did push up Quinton Johnston.
71:51Didn't much matter for Trey Harris. So I'll take more Trey Harris.
71:55And if anything, Gadsden's ADP fell because of the presence of Njoku, the signing of Njoku.
72:00So I'm like, okay, I'm just gonna, the ADPs that didn't move, that didn't get steamed up after the big Chargers come to Jesus.
72:07The, the, the Hamptons, the Trey Harris's, the Aranda Gadsden's, that's where I'm going with this offense.
72:13Yeah, I'm, I'm good with that too. With Hampton, it's the only, the only concern I have about the offense is just
72:19the pace of play a little bit. Um, it's been talked about a lot and, and I do worry just a little
72:26bit with how Mike McDaniels has kind of the last few years has really played at a slow pace.
72:32And can you not do this with this? Can you not?
72:36I will know. I will forgive you with the coach specific analysis.
72:39It's important sometimes, Matt, but when you are leveraging the most extreme apples to oranges situation where a guy is going from.
72:46Who? Tua Tungaveloa was the best he had. Who, who else, who else started games in Miami last year?
72:52Do you remember? Ooh, uh, Quinn Ewers. Okay. So let's just, let's just take Quinn Ewers.
72:57I think he started multiple games. I think he did.
73:00Yeah. Browns was a brutal one. Yeah, no. He had one decent.
73:04I think he played, had played decent against the Saints.
73:07Fair play. Fair play. Quinn Ewers. So we're going from the Quinn Ewers offense and offensive line and receivers, Malik Washington.
73:13The Quinn Ewers, Malik Washington. Who was their tight end last year?
73:17Dadson. Oh, I'm sorry. Uh, Greg Dulcich and Darren Waller.
73:20Dulcich was on the Dolphins last year? Yeah. Yeah.
73:23Okay. Barely remember him on the Dolphins. I remember him on the Broncos.
73:27Not exciting. It wasn't a, Dolphins weren't a team that was excited to watch.
73:31So. Okay. Anyway, let's just, you know what? Let's just stick to you.
73:35So he was, he had the Ewers. Waddle was there.
73:39So let's just focus on the Ewers. We're going from the Quinn Ewers offense.
73:43If you are Mike McDi- What are you going to do?
73:46You're going to turn up the tempo with Quinn Ewers under center.
73:50What are you going to do? So you're going to, you're going to go ahead and superimpose the pace of play onto
73:57the offensive coordinator when he's got Quinn Ewers to work with.
74:00At some point, you don't got, you don't get the horses.
74:04So if you want to do a like for like, and a guy's coming from Cincinnati and he's going to Los Angeles or he's going from Dallas.
74:12Okay. Then that's, that's a conversation. But you can't do, you can't give me, he's going to play slow because, because he,
74:19he wasn't, he wasn't rat-a-tat-tat with Quinn Ewers. Yeah, I get it.
74:23I get it. Come on, dude. That's, and think about the downstream effects.
74:27Think about the downstream effects. Yeah. Because of that, because of Quinn Ewers, because think about this, this is how absurd coach centric analysis.
74:34This is the, this is the, this is the, the circle that you can, that you can spin yourself into.
74:40It's dizzying. You're not, it's, there's a potential that you do not draft a Marion Hampton.
74:45And if you actually follow the path all the way back to the source, the reason is Quinn Ewers.
74:51It's probably more two than it is yours, but yes.
74:54It's probably two more than it is yours, but yeah.
74:57Yeah. Listen, he's got cool sunglasses. He kind of has a hip way about him.
75:02He's young. Don't these guys play fast? He's got a, isn't he a fast information processor?
75:07Isn't he a genius? Wonderkind. That's about, I mean, that's the other guy, by the way.
75:12It's a race. It's a race. Who's the offensive coordinator in Jacksonville?
75:16Udinski. Udinski. Udinski. Who actually did get interviewed for head coaching jobs this cycle.
75:20He's definitely gone after the future. Right. You need to, by the way, so Pete, to help you with your coach analysis,
75:27I need you to be quicker on that one.
75:30Okay. You need to know Udinski. Jacksonville offensive coordinator.
75:32Udinski. Jacksonville's offensive coordinator. Udinski. Udinski. Okay. So it's going to be McDaniel and Udinski collision course.
75:38And Davis Webb. And probably Davis Webb. I'm sorry.
75:40I'm just giving you another one. What team does he, what team is he?
75:45He's Denver's OC. He's going to be calling plays for Peyton this year.
75:49And they, and they added Waddle, but no, see, they're going to give, they're going to, they're going to arbitrarily give credit to Peyton for that.
75:57See, I contend, I contend it's not going to be him because I can already say I've, unfortunately I've just seen too
76:04much football and I've heard too many takes and I've read too many articles about these things.
76:09So I know how this is going to play out.
76:12I'm telling you, it's not going to be, it's going to be a Dinsky McDaniel collision course.
76:17I just got to say this. I know. Yeah.
76:20I know we're focused on like JP in the chat is extremely upset with you for your gente take.
76:26Whoa, I see this guy, JP galaxy brain galaxy brain to take the guy.
76:30That's the proven performer stud running back who has the offense to himself over the guy who's also in, in a, you
76:37know, bottom 10 offense that has not yet been proven to be a top 10 running back in the league and has more target competition.
76:45That's gallant. I think it's the opposite. I contend that drafting gente over Saquon Barkley is the depth is the over.
76:51I've even seen some people probably in this audience have drafted gente over Jonathan Taylor, Jonathan also another player is going to have the offense largely to himself.
77:00It is going to be a Jonathan Taylor centric offense with Quentin Nelson and, and, and a quality run blocking offensive line, but nevermind all that.
77:08So that is the galaxy brain. If you're, if you're going to say, well, you know what?
77:14I see Barkley there and I see Jonathan Taylor there and I see H in there, but you know, I'm going to
77:20go genti because I think that, you know, world where this happens and this happens and he was a top 10 pick in the draft.
77:28And that's the definition of galaxy brain, JP galaxy brain.
77:31That's the first thing I thought when I keep seeing genti flying off the board in these drafts.
77:37And I'm like, that was galaxy brain. That's, I mean, you are known to be a galaxy brainer.
77:42Me? I'm a simpleton. I look at very simple things.
77:45I have a stack of napkins. I'm just writing stuff down on napkins.
77:49Those are 32 plus 10. That's galaxy brain. Is it money ball or is it a draft day where they, they write it down on the napkin?
77:58I said, well, I think it was, it might've been drafted.
78:01I can't remember. I don't know. I have player profilers, so I don't need anything but napkins.
78:07That's fair. That's fair. How about that? How about that folks?
78:10How about that? Let me, let me ask you one more thing.
78:14We're talking, we're talking through some of these guys, right?
78:17And I do want to talk, I do want to talk about Chase Brown, but I don't know if you're ready to
78:24get there yet, but we're talking about a cluster of players.
78:27And Chase Brown is, is a smash just based on the touch math and the offense.
78:32This guy's checking all the boxes is in a super prime.
78:35This is the year we're going to look back.
78:38And this was the year everyone wanted to have Chase Brown on their team.
78:43Yeah. I have, I have Brown ahead of cook.
78:45And I have Brown. Sure. Why not? That's very close to me.
78:49What's the difference? I do have him ahead of Hampton too, though.
78:53Why is that? No, that's not hot at all.
78:56Okay. All right. I'm just saying, because when you get to the math, you're saying.
79:00Chase Brown is ahead of Hampton on player profile.
79:03Okay. Because, because for me, I'm like, I'm comfortable taking him right at the, the, the one, two turn.
79:09And the beautiful thing about Chase Brown is I don't think he's going, you're going to have to take him that high.
79:16You're going to be able to, you're going to be able to take him in a second round.
79:21That's the thing. Like, yeah, we're, I'm not saying how, if you think that there's a possibility that you could somehow get a channel later than do that.
79:30Like I got him in the third round of a dynasty startup, the mid third round.
79:35I had no plans. Like, I don't go into a startup going, got to get me some D-bone H and that's not,
79:42no, that's not what, but I'm like, but this way I'm like, I'm surrounded by galaxy brains.
79:47And I just, I'm forced to do this. You guys are forcing me to do this.
79:52I don't love taking players on bad teams, but there is a case to be made, right?
79:57There was a time when the Danian Tomlinson was all the chargers had and the whole offense ran through him and he
80:04was amazing and they weren't that great. And we've seen this time and time again, that even happened on the jets.
80:11That was his whole career. It's Lydia and Tomlinson's career.
80:14So what about Brees Hall? Because we're, we're, we're behind consensus on Brees Hall.
80:18And we just got news. Just drop player profile.com slash news.
80:21Isaiah Davis, the likely RB two. And I talked about this with Cody.
80:25I confronted Cody about this on the Sonic truth show.
80:29And so I felt, I knew that was going to happen.
80:32I was like, listen, you can't watch Isaiah Davis and not see a running back that coaches will fall in love with.
80:39And now we're seeing that. And so for the jets are certainly not an offense where I want everybody.
80:45They're not a top 10 offense. So therefore probably going to have to pick one or the other.
80:50And I'm all in on that jets passing game.
80:53And that pretty much means I'm out on Brees Hall.
80:56It was to the point where I made a bad trade in dynasty because of it.
81:01Sometimes seasonal rankings can scramble your dynasty brain. And that absolutely happened to me where I gave up too much to get Joe Burrow.
81:09So I wanted Burrow in super flex. And I, you know, I, I included Brees Hall with Purdy to get Burrow.
81:15And coach was like, you overpaid. You shouldn't have given up Brees Hall there.
81:19And I'm like, I know I just, it's not every day that in super flex, someone's offering you Joe Burrow.
81:26That's not, you don't wake up in the morning with Joe Burrow offers typically in super flex, number one.
81:32And then they also wanted Brees Hall. And I was like, I'm kind of scared.
81:36So I, I did, I am a little bit worried that we have three quality running backs there in New York.
81:43And this isn't even a team that's going to be a quality running team.
81:47And then they're not going to be in a position to run.
81:51What are they going to do? They're playing the Patriots.
81:54They're playing the bills. They're going to be running the ball.
81:57What are we talking about? You know, I'm all in on Adni Mitchell.
82:01I'm all in on, on even Garrett Wilson. We're ahead of consensus.
82:05I can't believe this with Garrett Wilson, like five, we will.
82:08I'll take Garrett Wilson. I couldn't believe where his ADP was in best ball.
82:13And that's, and I was told that I understand this.
82:16This isn't something I mean, it wasn't told yesterday.
82:19It's something I know, but I was reminded of this on dynasty Reddit because Andrew Cooper posted this.
82:24And I was like, Hey, there are some players that their best ball ADPs are just incongruent with dynasty.
82:30And there's an opportunity there. And one of them was, was Garrett Wilson.
82:34He's like, yeah, but that's because of Gino Smith.
82:37Like no one wants to draft Gino Smith. So people are putting off drafting Garrett Wilson in best ball because they don't want his stacking companion.
82:45And that makes perfect sense to me. Right. I mean, I was like, I, it was a great reminder of that from coop.
82:52So that's one of those things where all arbitrages are not the same.
82:56Some of these arbitrage plays that we're, we're laying out like Coker, it's consistent across all formats.
83:01You just, you want them. Okay. Over some of these other guys that just don't have the floor or the ceiling that
83:08Coker brings to the table with Garrett Wilson. I understand it.
83:12I'm not saying go out and draft him in best ball ahead of all these guys until you have enough Gino Smith, right?
83:19It could be that people have maxed out their Gino Smith.
83:22I really liked Gino Smith in best ball. To me, I'm comfortable drafting him.
83:27Cade club, Nick. Really? Like I'm much more concerned.
83:29I'm more concerned about Jacoby Brissett, even Aaron Rogers, like other quarterbacks that I could see not playing out the whole year for whatever reason.
83:37I, I see no reason. I can't imagine them pivoting off of Gino Smith because I think I know the passing game
83:44is going to start the year hot, exceeding expectation.
83:47That is going to happen. This team overall isn't even that bad.
83:50Their defense is better than advertised. We talked about their running game.
83:54Isn't you certainly as assets people want in fantasy football, they made a bunch of investments on the offensive line, particularly the interior offensive line.
84:02So I don't see anything that would prove I'm very comfortable with Gino Smith.
84:06He was on the waiver wire in a super flex league.
84:10I saw in dynasty. What are I was like, I added him immediately.
84:14It's like, what is happening right now? You hate Gino Smith.
84:17I don't hate Gino Smith. When you look back, I mean, just, we are not far removed from Gino supporting a hundred
84:24plus targets for JSN and DK Metcalf. DK was just like a few yards shy of, you know, a thousand yards.
84:31JSN in 2024, right? 14.9 points per game with Gino.
84:34He only scored six touchdowns, but I mean, he had 1,130 receiving yards.
84:38This is actually like one of the craziest stats I feel like I've ever seen, by the way.
84:43So I just have to say it. JSN had 1,186 air yards on 1,130 receiving yards.
84:48Isn't that really weird? Like, I don't think I've ever seen it that close for a guy that had a thousand yards.
84:55He had 1,130 receiving yards and he only had 1,186 air yards.
84:59He only had 50 more air yards than he had receiving yards that year with Gino in 2024.
85:04Are you familiar with a wide receiver named Debo Samuel?
85:07Yeah. Yes. I understand what you're going to tell me.
85:11I get it. I just, Shane Waldron really, really must've been just that bad, man.
85:15He must've been just really that bad. Yeah. Okay.
85:18So can I, can I show you the craziest example of this?
85:22Do you, have you ever, do you know the craziest example?
85:25Are you going to tell me like Debo had like five yards and that's it?
85:30Like over there? No. What you're going to see, what I'm about to show on the screen is going to blow your mind.
85:37Is it going to be inverse? It is going to blow your mind.
85:41There's a few stats in that I've seen in the, in the history.
85:45There was a season. It was, there's the opposite example.
85:48Do you know who the opposite of Debo Samuel is in the NFL?
85:52Mike Pierce. Mike Evans. There was a year where Mike Evans had an impossibly low number of yards after the catch.
85:59Like where it was crazy. It was insane. It was all area.
86:02It was the, it was, so there's a lot of different things.
86:06There was also a year where Jalen Waddell had a Debo Samuel type year.
86:10And then the very next year he had a Mike Evans type year.
86:14And that actually made me respect Jalen Waddell a lot more from just based on versatility.
86:19I was like, if he's capable of that, then he's a hell of an athlete.
86:24I mean, so he has, he has some, he has some of Debo and some of Mike Evans.
86:30I really liked Jalen Waddell. That's why I'm bullish on Jalen Waddell this year, but look, look at this.
86:35Look at 2021 for Debo Samuel. Check that out.
86:381,405 receiving yards, 971 air yards. That's a thing that happened in 2021.
86:4221.2 points per game. Insane dude. That the Debo, if we, we should have, and I should put this on, I'm going to, I got to do this.
86:51I got to remember to do this. It's getting late and I'm going to forget, but I got to remember to put this on Twitter.
86:59I'm going to write this down. Wish I had like a secretary.
87:02Write this down. Debo said, I'm going to put just the top three.
87:07Cause I don't want to have to do too much research.
87:10Cartoonish wide receiver seasons. And this is on there.
87:13There's, there's certainly got to be a couple more.
87:15I think the Mike Evans, there's a Mike Evans yards after the catch season, which was crazy.
87:21Like he had, but I don't know what it was.
87:24Something, some impossible low yards after the catch number given his, his total yards.
87:28So it's basically the, the, the equivalent of this, but for yards after the catch.
87:33Uh, and I'm sure there's another fun cartoonish, uh, stat.
87:36It actually, you know what? That's actually a really good thing that AI can do now is that you could put stuff
87:43that, that, that, that only like a giant supercomputer could ever put together.
87:47Um, well, by the way, this, this past year, Mike Evans had 37 yards after catch.
87:52What year? The past year? This past season, 37 yards.
87:55Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He it's he, that's not his thing.
87:58Let's be honest. And I don't care. I don't care with Debo.
88:02I mean, that that's, I don't think I don't, it's going to be hard to find like more cartoonish.
88:08I mean, we're not talking about a thousand yards, Pete.
88:11We're talking about 1400 yards. This is why people love him.
88:14Yeah. People think that he's a sleeper right now.
88:17People think right now you should be going out and stashing Debo because he's going to sign somewhere.
88:22Should go to Miami. Could go to Miami. Could go to Miami.
88:26I mean, think about how much I like Mike Evans because just I, because I very much appreciate air yards and how it predicts future performance.
88:34But I also understand that if you had Debo on your fantasy team that year, that forever he can do no wrong.
88:41And I totally understand that. Yeah. Well, let's, let's reel it back into the jets.
88:46Cause you asked me a question. We're talking Garrett Wilson.
88:49So we've, we've, we've done the Trump weave where he just kind of weaves in and out of the topic.
88:55And you're kind of like, where are we going?
88:58Let's get back to the Trump. You know, they always say that Trump does the weave, I guess is like when he
89:05talks, he just kind of weaves in and out of the topic.
89:08Trump, like a Trump card, liking playing cards. No, I'm talking about the president, Donald Trump.
89:13He weaves. They say that he, he does the weave is what they call it, where it's like when someone weaves in
89:20and out of a topic, they weave into a topic.
89:23They weave out of a topic. I don't know who the president is.
89:27Sorry. That's fair. All right. Well, let's get back to G.
89:31Well, let's get back to G. Well, uh, so in terms of, in terms of Garrett Wilson, it's going off the board at 37, right?
89:38I like Garrett Wilson, but I'd rather have Jalen Waddell, uh, who goes two spots behind him.
89:44I have Jalen Waddell projected higher on a points per game basis.
89:47You asked me about Bruce Hall. God damn it, JP.
89:51He writes, how can you not hate Geno Smith?
89:53I don't hate players. I hate ADPs. This is a famous podfatherism that Matthew Berry quoted in his final love hate column.
90:00Everyone should know this. I love Geno Smith. If Geno Smith was being drafted ahead of Daniel Jones, I would hate him, but he's not.
90:08So I love him. It's that simple. This is fantasy football.
90:11This is not Jets fans. This is not a Jets profiler.
90:15Well, to be fair to Geno is probably going to hold the job down no matter what, because I don't really think,
90:22you know, the head coach over there is really looking to get a look at club Nick when he might be fired.
90:28If they don't win club Nick, there's people that are playing for their jobs in New York and coaches that are coaching for their jobs.
90:36This is the NFL man. They're not going to.
90:39And by the way, all the reports on Geno have been very positive.
90:43Now, I know there is one report about him at his home, which was very negative.
90:48Okay. And shameful. Oh, no, I thought they said that was, I thought they said it was, it wasn't.
90:54Oh, well, I was thinking about the, there was a cop thing.
90:58No, no, no, no, no. The case is no longer being pursued by police, but there is a shirtless video.
91:04Very shameful. Everything that I'm hearing about Geno Smith in a football context has been highly positive in New York.
91:10Yeah. Listen, if you like Garrett Wilson, you can make the case that Geno can support him.
91:15That's all I'm saying. When we talked about the JSN thing, we talked about DK Metcalf.
91:20That was just two years ago. Remind yourselves that the Raiders were such a train wreck.
91:25Chip Kelly was absolutely, I'm sorry. Not, well, not Chip Kelly.
91:29Well, it was Chip Kelly, but it was also Pete Carroll's son, who was the offensive line coach.
91:34And they were saying that Geno had to meet with the team and do extra meetings because, I mean, because there was
91:41so, such a disaster with Chip Kelly and the way the offensive line was being coached.
91:46And I know you hate coaching, but. No, no, no, no, no.
91:50I love Chip Kelly now. Do you know why?
91:52Why? He's the coach of the Northwestern Wildcats. Oh, gosh.
91:56Did you know that? I saw him do like a picture in like a, I think he had like a hard hat on or something.
92:03Yes. Did you see that for sure? Yes. It's a brand new stadium.
92:07I mean, back in my day, it was called Dyke Stadium.
92:11And then it became Ryan Field when I was there.
92:14I'm very old. I'm very, I told, I, I led the show.
92:18I mean, you are a boomer. Explaining to everybody just how crusty I am and what a boomer I am.
92:24I mean, I was doing robust RB before it was cool.
92:27Yeah. I mean, if you went robust RB last year, you were pretty happy.
92:32We talked about it with that. You remember me and you had a conversation about the fast draft and I finished in
92:38the flex for, I think third last year. And I drafted five running backs, almost like all of my drafts were just
92:45every, every pick was a running back and it worked out.
92:49So you're just ahead of the curve. This year, if you want to draft, I don't know, Jonathan Taylor, you want to
92:55draft guys like, oh, I don't know, Jameer Gibbs.
92:58You want to draft guys like, oh, I don't know, Devon Achan.
93:02You're going to be in great shape. You're going to be in great shape.
93:06Brace Hall? We'll see. We'll see. We'll see. Listen, man, I got to get you out of here.
93:12We went way over on time. Appreciate you coming in for a late show.
93:16It's been great. You're, you're one, one of the best analysts in, in, in the entire player profile or universe.
93:22So we got to, we got to do more of these shows.
93:26We're going to be doing some, some shows during the season.
93:30Uh, like maybe, uh, waiver wired, waiver wire. We'll see what happens.
93:33Uh, get us out of here. Give us, give us something bold.
93:37Give us a guy you love. Give, give us, give us a, give us a hot take that we can, we can
93:44clip and we can, we can post for everyone to see.
93:47And, and, and that might, that might shock people.
93:50Yeah. I think, I think Sam Laporta is going to finish as a top five tight end.
93:55I think he has top three upside. Um, I think there's a world where you can even argue that he should go over Colson Loveland.
94:03Um, this is a, an offense. So let me just, okay.
94:06Before we, before you do waiver wired, I just want to make sure that I coach you up on the hot takes.
94:13Okay. Okay. You could just lead with that. Okay.
94:16So I, just so you know, I ha I think Tyler Warren's going to outscore Colson Loveland.
94:21Colson Loveland's a little, a little galaxy brain this year.
94:24Okay. But the way I, the way I would have done it and you could take or leave this is you could
94:31have just simply said, I love Sam Laporta this year.
94:34We don't know how much I love him. I think he's going to outscore Colson Loveland.
94:39And that's it. That's it. I don't want to left it at that.
94:43Um, I thought you were going to do like the nice little, just clip it done roll credit right there, but I
94:50was going to, but sometimes I don't, you never quite, I want to make sure.
94:55You never really know what's going to happen. Uh, but the other thing is, and you did the, you, the, the, you
95:02did the right thing in that instead of saying a guy is top five or top 10 or top three or whatever,
95:08I'll, because there's actually, there's a higher probability that any given player outscores just one other player.
95:14There's a much higher probability that happens than a player finishes in some aggregate ranking.
95:18So my favorite bold predictions and hot takes are always to compare one player to the next and say, uh, player X
95:25that everyone is, is, is sleeping on is going to outscore player.
95:29Why that all these people love for no reason.
95:32That is my favorite structure, sort of hot take structure that maximizes correctness, but also stimulates engagement because you get both sides of it.
95:39The people that love that player that you love, but also the people that love the player that you're saying is going to be outscored by the sleeper.
95:48So I just want to make the end of the show.
95:51I thought it would be very fun to kind of take people into the mechanics of a hot take.
95:57All right, here we are. Ready? Let's, let's, let's rewind it back.
96:01Want to try it again? Rewind it back. You probably, can I, can I do one?
96:06Can I do one as a practice? Yeah. Yeah.
96:09Go for it. I'll do one as a, I'll do one almost like a coach.
96:13Like I'll go up and I'll, I'll shoot a free throw so I can show you how to do it.
96:19You know what I mean? Yeah. Go for it.
96:22Can we do that? Yeah. Yeah. Go for it.
96:25Yeah. So, uh, so yeah, not all, I can't even tell you how far away I am from drafting Alec Pierce.
96:32He is completely toxic. Uh, he is, uh, he is the radioactive wide receiver and all of fantasy right now, but I
96:38don't really want to talk about Alec Pierce. I don't want to talk about Alec Pierce at all.
96:44Uh, because based on the target math that I'm looking at and based on, you know, player X player, why are these guys good at football?
96:52I think Josh Downs is going to outscore Luther burden this year.
96:56That's pretty good. So that I would do that.
96:59Okay. Okay. That would be one. That would be a thing, by the way.
97:03Uh, the nice thing about that take also is that Luther burden really hasn't fucking done anything yet.
97:08I, so it's not like I said, he's going to outscore Terry McLaurin or Mike Evans, something completely audacious.
97:14He's just going to outscore another guy that's scored about the same as he's scored it on a per season basis.
97:21In fact, all Josh Downs ever does is outscore Luther burden in fantasy points year in year out.
97:26So that's that, that was probably the, that was a, that was, that wasn't a free throw.
97:32That was a layup. I like, go ahead. I like that one.
97:35Go ahead. Go ahead. You know, I, I, I, I've been thinking about it on this show, Matthew.
97:41Okay. And I would probably say, if I'm sitting here looking at draft boards, Patrick Mahomes is going to finish outside of the top 12 this season.
97:49And on top of all of that, Baker Mayfield, healthy Baker Mayfield is going to score more points than Patrick Mahomes.
97:56And we'll finish ahead of him when the season is finished.
97:59And I said, Hey kids draft Zay flowers. One of these kids is going to get killed.
98:05Everyone is entitled to my opinion. Everyone knows that I turn up the obnoxiousness on the show, but man, am I a sweetheart in person?
98:12Oh man, that's the, that's the, that's the reputation.
98:15That's the rep of the pod father for sure.
98:18Sweetheart in person, sweetheart, absolute sweetheart. Is it Mumfield?
98:21And think about the downstream effects. You hate Gino Smith.
98:24No, I'm talking about the president, Donald Trump. He weaves.
98:27They say that he, he does the weave is what they call it, where it's like when someone weaves in and out
98:34of a topic, they weave into a topic, they weave out of a topic.
98:38I don't know who the president is. Sorry. I mean, you are a boomer.
98:42If you use like, uh, you know, uh, I'm trying to find this, uh, a little tongue twister here.
98:48Yeah. Yeah. Well, I don't know. I we're talking 50.
98:51Yeah. I had enough 45. So that feels right.
98:54Oh, so we're way off. Right. Cause I always hear you even said it too many miles to feed.
99:00I mean, you are a boomer.