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0:48I'm your co-host J-Mac here with my co-host Jose.
0:51What's up, dude? Not much J-Mac. Back here again with another awesome guest for you guys.
0:56Talk some old, crusty, dusty vets, but you know, the ones that you actually want to have on your team.
1:02But yeah, man, it's a good morning. Recording early.
1:05How you been J-Mac and how are you Taylor?
1:07I'm good, man. And it is a good morning because we do have to talk about those crusty vets.
1:13But let's introduce Taylor Christensen of Dynasty Nurse. What's up, man?
1:17How are you? Hey, guys. It's great to be on.
1:20I always love the show. It's been great following along in the offseason and kind of getting into what's going to come up here in 26-27.
1:28I love talking crusty vets. It's probably my second favorite topic right after rookie drafts.
1:32So now that that's out of the way, it's time to move on to the old guys.
1:38Yeah, let's do that. But I guess before we get into all that, man, tell us a little bit about yourself, what you're doing in the fantasy space.
1:46You know, we met through the OTC Discord and I just gravitated towards you because I liked all the things that you were saying.
1:54I felt like we, a lot of stuff you're saying just resonated.
1:58So yeah, man, tell us, tell us a little bit about yourself.
2:01Well, I work over at Dynasty Nerds.com. I'm our content lead and managing editor for the writing staff.
2:07So I've got a finger in the industry, but more so I've played Dynasty for 20 years now.
2:12So I feel really crusty myself saying that. But it's been a wild ride seeing how it's just evolved every year and
2:19the amount of people who are interested now. I can actually go out and say, hey, this is what I do.
2:26And people have heard of Dynasty. They don't just think I'm the weird guy who follows football all year long.
2:32So it's great to be around like-minded people. You know, it's nice that I can tell my wife that I socialize, even
2:39though I'm just sending trades all day. But that's part of my job.
2:43You know, you got to send trades. That's what happens when you do what you do.
2:48I love it, man. Yeah, we're becoming normalized and it's making a lot of sense.
2:52I'm even meeting people in real life now who play Dynasty in my community.
2:57And I was like, whoa, that's weird. I didn't know you guys existed outside of the internet.
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3:40We're calling Process First, which we are breaking down our Dynasty Boogaloo League that we are all in.
3:46And it's been fun so far. We've broken down three teams.
3:49The third episode just dropped yesterday and we're going to get Taylor on there soon.
3:54I'm sure at some point it'll come up during this episode because we are degenerates and that's all we think about.
4:00But nonetheless, you can follow Fox on X at BFoxworth07, also in the Boogaloo League.
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4:11I loved it with Jackson Dart on the cover.
4:13It was so awesome. So Fox, thank you. You rock.
4:16Other than that, guys, let's get into it. We're going to talk about those Krusty Vets in our Veteran Values segment.
4:23But first, as always, a quick hit. You guys ready?
4:26Let's do it. All right. For the quick hit today, we had a trade happen in real life football.
4:32A.J. Brown going to the Pats. Huge surprise. I don't think anybody saw it coming.
4:37Jose's face says it all. It was A.J. Brown for a 28 first round pick and a 27th fifth round pick.
4:43Kind of wild that they traded for A.J. Brown a first and a third.
4:47And four years later, they're turning him around for a first and a fifth.
4:52But here we are. A.J. Brown to the Patriots.
4:54How are you guys viewing A.J. Brown for this season and beyond for Dynasty?
4:59Let's toss it over to Taylor first in the Patriots offense.
5:02How are you viewing A.J. Brown? If I have A.J.
5:05Brown and I'm a contender, I'm so excited. This is exactly what you were hoping for.
5:10He's going to be in a more concentrated situation.
5:13Hopefully, Drake May is going to need that guy on the outside.
5:17He's going to need the guy in the middle of the field.
5:20He needs someone who he can just throw the ball up, make sure that they get past the sticks and keep the drive going.
5:28And I think that Brown's going to be excited to play in New England.
5:32I think he's got a good sort of mentality for going in there with the way Brable has everyone focused.
5:38So I really like his outlook if I'm a contender.
5:41Now, if I'm not a contender and he's on my team, this is where I'm probably selling.
5:47I think that this is this moment right now is as high as he's likely to be unless he completely explodes this season.
5:54Like if he's a top five overall wide receiver, you're going to be able to get more for him.
6:00But right now, the spike is basically max value.
6:02So getting a 27 first plus is out there.
6:05And I think that's what you're hoping for with a guy like A.J.
6:09Brown, right? He's going to be 30 before long.
6:12And we know that that's always a red flag for people, even if there's still production.
6:17People don't want to pay a first for a 30-year-old player.
6:20So I think now is the time if you've been holding, looking to move him, go out and send some offers today.
6:27Yeah, that's totally fair. Jose, where are you at with A.J.
6:31Brown, man? Yeah, I mean, same thing. I thought it was a little bit funny that they traded a 28 first.
6:37Even, you know, real NFL teams know how important the 27 draft is.
6:41So they, you know, they didn't want to trade their 27 first saying they have it.
6:46I was just looking up. It does look like they have it.
6:50But yeah, I mean, the Eagles front office, the Cowboys fan, it sucks to say.
6:54But I think they're one of the best run organizations in the entire NFL.
6:59I mean, what they traded for A.J. Brown. And then now, like you said, flipping him four years later after winning a Super Bowl.
7:06You can say the drama, all the other stuff.
7:09But they did win a Super Bowl with him on the team.
7:13I think he's still an elite player. He's kind of interesting because he doesn't seem to catch as much flack as somebody
7:20like a Pickens does for his, like, off-field antics.
7:22Or his lack of effort or his checking out sometimes.
7:25Or just not being elite all the time as he should be.
7:29We're going to see with Drake May what that looks like.
7:33I think Drake May as a passer is definitely a better passer than Jalen Hurts, at least over the last few seasons.
7:39You know, Drake May's deep ball and just overall scheme, I think, he's going to benefit from.
7:45I mean, Romeo Dobbs is his second. It should be concentrated, like you were saying, to A.J.
7:50Brown. I agree with a lot of everything Taylor was saying, so not to reiterate.
7:54I do feel like a lot of people were kind of already acting as A.J.
7:59Brown was on the Patriots just because it seemed, like, so obvious that it was going to happen for a long time.
8:06I don't know if there was a ton of value boost besides maybe just the actual name now seeing him there.
8:12But I do think that this is the best time to sell unless something crazy happens this season, like Taylor was saying.
8:19And I think it's hard to project that happening.
8:22And even so, I think you're still only looking at a one to two year window.
8:27And he's truly just a contender's piece. Like, I don't want to be in the A.J.
8:32Brown game for much longer than this season and kind of take it a season at a time with him at this point.
8:39I mean, we're talking about vets. I mean, he's he's 28 years old already.
8:43So he's he's definitely entered that realm. So. But yeah, not to, you know, not to reiterate too much as we have a guest appearance.
8:51My cat here is climbing. But anyways. Yeah. So what did you think, J-Mac?
8:55I think your cat's a big A.J. Brown fan and I love it.
8:59No, I agree with a lot of what you guys saying.
9:03I I don't I'm a little more skeptical of what the outlook looks like in the Pats.
9:08We haven't talked about it, but I guess where do you guys think he finishes in the wide receiver ranks at the end of this 26 season?
9:16I guess, Jose, give me your thoughts. Yeah. I mean, I don't think he's going to finish much higher than he did
9:23before, but I think he'll be a solid. And he finished wide receiver 14, I think, last year in half PPR.
9:30And that was it was a rough 14. Yeah.
9:33It was a rough 14. So I think he returns to being a wide receiver one.
9:37I definitely don't think he's in the top 10 like he was two or three years ago.
9:43So, you know, anywhere between like 10 to 12 or maybe just a very solid wide receiver two.
9:48I think that's definitely in the outcomes in terms of also his touchdowns.
9:52He could get back to double digit touchdowns. You know, they don't really have another red zone target that they should be prioritizing other than AJ Brown.
10:01So I could see that and I could see the touchdowns carrying him to a better finish than maybe you're going to expect week to week.
10:09What about you, Taylor? Where do you think he finishes?
10:12I think he's going to do a little bit better than what Jose just described, mainly because I think that the Patriots
10:19are going to need him to be the guy for this season.
10:22I think that their wide receiver core has been so lacking that having an elite talent is going to give them a boost on the offense.
10:30They're going to want to involve him regularly. A lot of those games that he had in Philly where he only, you
10:37know, two targets, maybe zero fantasy points, even though he was out there the whole time.
10:42I don't expect that to happen in New England.
10:45I would say that his floor is higher. And even though they are less likely to score 30, 40 points a game
10:52as a, as a team, there's a lot of opportunities for their running backs to score inside the red zone.
10:58So I'm not expecting him to be a 12 to 14 touchdown guy, but he could definitely be in the seven to 10 touchdown range.
11:06I think. And with the yardage, with the receptions, if you're full PPR, I could see him being a top 10 receiver.
11:12I expect him to be a wide receiver one, unless something, you know, happens to Drake may let's say, but outside of
11:19injuries, I would say that the plan for him this year from a scheme perspective will probably give him the opportunity to be a top 10 wide receiver.
11:28Yeah. And also like there, I think there's injury concern with AJ Brown too, right?
11:33There's the knee issue that was been has been lingering.
11:36You know, I think that's why the Rams were out on the AJ Brown sweepstakes.
11:40I don't know, man. I, I think I'm, I'm around where you guys are just a little bit lower.
11:46I feel like just beat like a high end wide receiver too is probably what I would expect from him.
11:52I don't see him getting crazy a target share over there, but I do think that he's going to be, you know, the go-to guy.
12:00I just think the ball is going to get spread around a little bit more and they're going to be wanting to
12:07run the ball with, you know, both Ramondre and Travion Henderson.
12:10So I don't know. I don't know. Maybe I'm just down on AJ Brown in general, but I would say I'm with you guys in general.
12:18I'm just as a contenders piece. It's just a little bit higher price than I would like to pay to get for a 28 year old wide receiver.
12:27Let's talk about the other side of the ball or the team of this trade, which is the Eagles.
12:33They still have, you know, Smitty Goddard lemon Stowers.
12:36And then obviously Hertz and Saquon are going to play in there too.
12:40Who gains the most from this trade? Taylor, give me your thoughts, man.
12:44I think it's gotta be Devonta Smith. I mean, he's going to get more targets.
12:48He's been a guy that has been consistent for Jalen Hertz.
12:52We've seen him get open year after year. He was a Heisman winning wide receiver.
12:56I mean, to me, that screams potential. Like you don't get those types of accolades against the entire field of college football
13:03because you're a wide receiver too, who sits in the shadows.
13:07You know what I mean? Like he's been considered the second option on that team because AJ Brown is such an intimidating
13:13physical specimen, you know, and he's had some of the big games to back it up.
13:18But I think Smith is maybe more important to that offense as far as making sure that they are staying ahead of
13:25schedule and getting an opportunity to play more creative routes.
13:28You know, he's got a little more agility to him than someone like AJ Brown.
13:33So they can do some more quick passes and things and get him out on the sidelines.
13:38So I think there's a lot of opportunity for him to kind of pick up some of the target share that's been vacated now.
13:46I'm not expecting him to outscore AJ Brown. You know, if I had to have one of them for this year, I
13:52would say I'd probably rather have Brown. Um, but I could see Smith being a high end wide receiver too with a high floor.
14:00I think he's a guy that you could easily plug in there as if he's your wide receiver three on your dynasty league.
14:07I'm loving it. Like, that's what you want. He's basically, in my opinion, T Higgins without the soft tissue concerns of that same magnitude.
14:14Like I'm thinking I'm getting similar production from those two players this year.
14:18That's where I'm mentally putting him. Yeah, that's fair.
14:21Jose, how do you see Devonta Smith? Yeah, I agree.
14:24I think he should take a jump up. I'm not sure that Devonta Smith is cut out to be a wide receiver, like an alpha in an offense.
14:33I mean, it just doesn't seem like he's ever taken over even when AJ Brown has been hurt or hasn't shown up in a game.
14:41He hasn't really done that himself. He's never been anything better than I think what his sophomore year, he was the top
14:4710 finish and everything else has been pretty solidly a wide receiver two or worse.
14:52So he should. I mean, the biggest concern is the offense in whole.
14:56Are they going to figure something out? Right? Like if the scheme doesn't change, if they're not able to be more creative
15:03and pass more, Jalen Hurts passing has continued to nosedive into even having AJ Brown.
15:07So now without AJ Brown, what does that look like for Jalen Hurts?
15:12I mean, I think he's a very interesting player himself.
15:15Like how, how does this affect him? Um, and I think to not say, um, a lot of the things that Taylor
15:21Ray said about Smith, I got it is a pretty interesting, like, especially in like a best ball format, or if you're
15:28just looking to add, um, a tight end depth to your team.
15:32Uh, I think he's a pretty good one that can't cost very much, at least for the next year.
15:38Um, I think it would be hard pressed to see Stowers take that job from him, at least, um, for most of the seasons.
15:45I like Goddard. I think he's a bit of a sneaky guy.
15:49I mean, he, he did a lot of his work last year with touchdowns, but, um, the ball has to go somewhere.
15:56So I, you know, between him and, and, um, Lemon, I think there's, there's some extra fantasy juice to be gained there.
16:03Yeah, I agree. Especially in a tight end premium league.
16:06I think Goddard is even, you know, a flexible player too.
16:09So I like that shout out there. I guess just really quickly guys over under Devonta Smith, wide receiver 16.
16:15Jose. I think that's like the line right there.
16:18If you would have gone 16 and a half, I would have gone under.
16:22So, um, I'll still go under, I think. Is under wide receiver 15 or is under wide receiver 17?
16:28I was thinking wide receiver 15 would be the under.
16:31Was that what you meant, Jose? No, I meant over the.
16:35Okay. Okay. Okay. So what he says greater than less than or greater than Taylor.
16:39Yeah. I'm going to say he finishes somewhere between 20 and 16.
16:43I think that's a great line. 16. If he finishes better than that, I would consider it, um, like a benefit on his projections.
16:50Yeah. A huge win. And I guess to what, what this kind of tells me is that AJ Brown and Devonta Smith
16:57are both 28 and they're both probably similarly priced.
17:00So it sounds like AJ Brown is probably the guy that you want in dynasty for this year for a contender.
17:07I mean, I guess out of either of these two players, you want AJ Brown.
17:11It sounds like for, for the going forward. I think he has a high end ceiling, right?
17:16Like, I don't think there's many, we were saying that there isn't a ton of outcomes where we think AJ Brown finishes
17:23the top five, but I mean, you could see it, right?
17:27Like if he scores, if he does go crazy, he has like 13 touchdowns and like the, you know, over a thousand.
17:33Like if he, he has that, I feel like in, in him, in his ability, I don't, I don't see that in Devonta Smith.
17:41So if you're looking for a contender and they're around the same price, they're around the same age.
17:46Like I think AJ Brown is more of the play just because he has a higher scene.
17:52He also has a lower floor. So it's one of those things that like your roster construction, how much can you take on?
17:59Like he's your wide receiver two is your three.
18:02Like I think it depends a lot, but I think AJ Brown definitely has more of a league winning or, you know,
18:08a championship run type of upside to him that Devonta Smith doesn't.
18:12Man, this is really interesting. And I want to keep talking about this, but we are lingering in this quick hit here.
18:19So let's go ahead and exit out of this and table that conversation maybe for a later pod here.
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20:27All right, welcome back. Let's talk veteran values, guys.
20:30These crusty vets in Dynasty that you typically look the other way on.
20:34But maybe there's still some value to be gained for a contending team here.
20:38So, Taylor, why don't you kick us off here, man?
20:42I think your first one here is not necessarily crusty.
20:45But he does have a little bit of a stigma to him as he's been around a little bit.
20:50And the production on him isn't quite as high as we're used to seeing.
20:55Yeah, I'm going to start us off here with arguably the best player in football.
20:59Patrick Mahomes, he's a quarterback that a lot of people have soured on the last two, three years because his startup ADP has not matched his on-field production.
21:08Now, that could be said of a lot of players.
21:11And most of the time, that means they're on a decline.
21:15And you probably want to sell or avoid. I think that Mahomes is going to be on fire from all of this.
21:21I think he's going to be upset at the way he's performed the last few seasons.
21:26I think he's seeing his numbers dip. I think he's seeing his team decline as far as their progression of a complex unit.
21:33They've had to kind of be more vanilla lately.
21:36And I think he's going to come out with a vengeance, especially after having this injury.
21:41Now, if you're going to be in redraft or something this year, yeah, I'm not saying go out and spend a third, fourth round pick on Patrick Mahomes.
21:50But if you're in a startup and you have an opportunity to take him in the late third, or maybe even the
21:57early third, if you are in a third round reversal and you're not going to get another opportunity for a while, I
22:03think he's a good pick because he's going to have insulation.
22:07And once he does come back and has a, you know, wide receiver core, that's not currently getting fingerprinted and they have
22:14a tight end, who's actually going to be able to be involved.
22:17I think this year, Travis Kelsey, I think last year he kind of, he did great, but this is going to be his revenge tour as well.
22:26So sign me up for those guys and their, you know, forward progression.
22:30The biggest thing about my homes, honestly, is that he hasn't really dropped off.
22:34Just the perception of him has dropped off. A lot of people went from thinking he was the golden boy.
22:40We're so glad that we have him in the league.
22:43Everyone loves him to the villain. And in dynasty, we've seen his value kind of be affected by that as well.
22:50And now he's been humbled last season, his yards and his touchdowns were almost identical to the year before.
22:56So they went 15 and one in 2024 and he played two games fewer in 2025.
23:01Yet his yards were only 350 apart, four touchdowns apart.
23:04I mean, those are the two games, right? Like he plays a full season.
23:0815 and one season looks the same as their six and eight season.
23:12Now I think he and Andy Reed kind of look at that and say, well, that's too much volatility.
23:18We need to be better than that so that we can reach that 13, 14 win standard that they want to have.
23:25So I think it's silly to bet against the best player in football.
23:29And I think he's going to come back and show that he's the best player.
23:33And that's going to show up in the stat line as well.
23:37So if you can go out and get Patrick Mahomes for a 27 first and second, that's kind of what I'm wanting
23:44to pay a 27 first and second, because he's going to be better than the other quarterbacks that come out in that class.
23:51Even if you love Arch Manning and you think he's the next guy, he's hoping to be Patrick Mahomes.
23:57Like why would you go for the mystery box when you can have the boat?
24:02You know what I'm saying? I do know what you're saying.
24:05And I like to call out here. He is definitely undervalued.
24:08I will say though, like last year, the rushing production that he had really boosted his stats.
24:14I think he had like four or five touchdowns and I don't know, like 250 yards over the first like five or
24:21six weeks, which was really just like buoying him.
24:23And he was playing hero ball because he had no one to throw the ball to, which is great as a fantasy player.
24:30Like you want that, but obviously we see it take the toll on him.
24:35He goes down with the ACL, PCL injury and late in the season, you know, that was right before the playoffs or was it in the playoffs?
24:43I can't remember. Despite the point, it took the toll.
24:46But I love the call out here because I think you're also getting that injury dip on him.
24:52People are also underpricing him because they're not expecting him to start the season.
24:56So in startups, people are a little bit more reluctant to take him as you know, their QB one here, because that's
25:03kind of where you have to take them. But I think it's okay to do, especially for my favorite part here is
25:10that he's paired back up with Eric Biennemi as the offensive coordinator who we saw when they were together have those high flying stats here.
25:17So I guess Jose, give us your thought on Mahomes.
25:21And then after that, man, let's go ahead and roll into your first bet.
25:25Yeah, I mean, not much else to say. I think he's definitely a valley.
25:29I think people have just been, they were just got tired of Mahomes being one of the best players and it has
25:36been a bit of a rough couple of seasons, but when you talk about rough couple of seasons, he's still finished as a QB one.
25:44So it's not like it's been some horrendous. And I mean, you saw what it could be once Rasheed Rice got back on the field.
25:51I mean, for now it's expected that Rice is going to be on the field every game.
25:57Obviously that's a complete toss up in there, but I mean, they have invested into the offense, right?
26:02They drafted, sorry, they got Kenneth Walker and free agency.
26:05So they're, they're trying to invest into the offense.
26:08I think they know that they can't just try to have him do everything.
26:12I mean, I think it's savior worthy when he's healthy.
26:16He's not like an amazing player for fantasy, but he is very good for what the chiefs want to do.
26:22And Travis Kelsey, I think continues to perform. And if he's coming back is because he wants to come back.
26:28He has no reason to come back. And I think he's going to be just as motivated to kind of prove and
26:35kind of have a bounce back and not, you know, miss the playoffs is the first time they've done that as a pairing.
26:42So, I mean, I think if he's ready for week one, I mean, everything he's out there throwing the ball, everything he's
26:49saying is he wants to be ready for week one.
26:52I think it'd be really impressive. Mahomes also doesn't need his legs.
26:55I mean, like you said, it was kind of booing him, but if he can have the passing volume and the drives
27:02can continue with Kenneth Walker and the offense, I think he can just pass, you know, to his ultimate, you know, top end finish.
27:10So I definitely, I like it. I think if you're not going early quarterback, he's definitely the target in going into that second, third round.
27:17Like Taylor was saying. Yeah. Yeah. He went to 308 and my latest startup, which was, I mean, I, I passed on
27:24him at the 304 to take Jackson dart, but I felt like there was a little more upside there to be had.
27:31And just, I think the value kind of rides with dart in that end, but all right, Jose, why don't you go
27:38ahead and kick us off with your first bet.
27:41Yeah. I mean, I think I'm going to talk about another quarterback.
27:44I mean, maybe this seems a little Homer-ish, but I think it happens pretty much every year that Dak isn't hurt.
27:51He seems undervalued. Like he goes out there, has a great finish, maybe just because he plays for the Cowboys and everybody hates the cow.
27:59I don't know what it is, but it seems like every year he goes out, plays well for fantasy, whatever happens in
28:05the playoffs, or they don't make the playoffs or, or whatever.
28:09But he pretty much has, whenever he's not injured a top 10 quarterback finish, sometimes even as high as like three, five,
28:16six, like he's finished every year that he's just played every game.
28:19He's pretty much finished as a better than a top eight quarterback.
28:23So it's just every season, it feels like the same thing happens.
28:27It's just, you know, is he going to get hurt?
28:30It's impossible to, you know, tell, but I think he definitely has the weapons.
28:34I do project that Pickens is going to play.
28:37They'll figure it out, whether it's a long-term contract or he ends up just playing.
28:42I do think he's going to end up playing.
28:44So you're kind of looking at the same offense.
28:47And for Dak, that was pretty amazing. Especially when CD got back, he was averaging well over, I think 20 points per
28:54game once they were both playing as J-Mac tries to sabotage.
28:57He hates the Cowboys, hates Dak. As soon as I mentioned Pickens, he's sabotaging my segment here.
29:03No, but I just think he's, I don't know exactly his ADP wise, but it always seems like it falls.
29:09There's that new hype of, you know, Jackson darts and all that.
29:12I think I'm okay. I mean, I know he's getting older, but quarterbacks tend to play for a while.
29:18I think he's going to be 33 playing this season, which is, which is a bit older, but I don't think that
29:25he's, he's rushing has fallen off a long time ago is after that brutal ankle injury rushing has never been a part
29:32of his game, but I mean, I think he's just good.
29:35He's probably one of the last guys that aren't rushing and aren't young that I'm okay being my quarterback one.
29:42Then I'm quickly trying to follow up with a second quarterback to stabilize and have a a strong, you know, two solid quarterback twos.
29:49I guess if you want to view Dak is that although every time that he's been healthy, he's been a very solid quarterback one.
29:56So I just think, you know, it happens every season.
29:59Dak seems to just get undervalued. I don't know if it's fear about his injuries or fear that maybe went without Pickens,
30:06but without Pickens, he's also been able to do it with just CD lamb.
30:11So yeah, I'm pretty in on, you know, drafting Dak, especially if I don't, you know, go get a quarterback or the quarterbacks go really early in startups.
30:19Yeah. Am I bad about that? I was trying to bring up a presentation though, but I seem to have lost my
30:26window on the, I went back in and just cut you off there.
30:30But Taylor, what do you think about this Dak call here, man?
30:34I think Jose is a homer and we should just kidding.
30:37I actually, I like the call out. I'm personally, I've always been on the Dak train.
30:42I think he's burned me a couple of times, but also he's held value for the most part.
30:48So even in the seasons where he did poorly, I think you still had the ability to trade him for something substantial as a rebuilder.
30:55So I like guys like Dak. Dak, he's someone who you can acquire on a contender for a 27 first right now.
31:02A lot of people are willing to make that swap.
31:05And if he's your QB two and you're upgrading a guy like Jacoby Brissett from last year, or you're nervous about a Kyler Murray, something like that.
31:14I like going out and getting a guy like Dak.
31:17Now you got to be careful. I think sending a first right now for any vet, unless you think you're going to
31:24get multiple years out of them, because we always see injuries happen.
31:27And you can probably get Dak the second week of the preseason for a first, just like you can get him right now.
31:34So I don't think you need to go out and make sure that you get him on your team.
31:40But I think he's a guy I would put on my shopping list, if that makes sense.
31:46What do you think, J-Mac? I love the callout.
31:48And I think Dak is extremely underrated. You can get him in like a fifth round of startups right now.
31:55And yeah, sending a 27 first for him seems prudent.
31:58If you need a quarterback two for your team, especially if you're a contender, right?
32:02That 27 first is probably better spent, you know, getting a piece like this rather than waiting till we get to 2027.
32:09And now it's a late first and it's not as worth as much as it was now.
32:14That's something that we always kind of talk about here.
32:17But I mean, just looking, you know, over here at player profiler, which I was trying to put up on screen for
32:24you guys, but I mean, number two in pass attempts, number one in pace of play.
32:29He's, you know, 4,500 passing yards. He threw for 30 touchdowns last year.
32:33The addition of George Pickens to this team was so good for Dak Prescott.
32:38Yeah. I mean, and then on top of that, he still has, you know, his tight end Ferguson, who is a safety
32:44blanket when, you know, Pickens isn't there or CeeDee Lamb isn't there.
32:48He has that too. And they have a running back now, right?
32:52Javante Williams proved last year that he is who we thought he was four years ago before all the injuries hit him.
32:59And he was solid, solid. And I think the team overall is really good.
33:03The defense is still really bad, which again is what we want for fantasy because these guys are going to, I think
33:10that's why we've seen 600 pass attempts and, you know, a number one pace of play.
33:15And I love the call out here. It's great.
33:17I would caution though that that's probably going to get a little bit better.
33:22I mean, they did invest heavily draft into defense.
33:25So, I mean, I don't think it's going to turn overnight where they're going to all of a sudden be a top
33:31offense, but I just don't think every game they're going to let up 40 points.
33:36Maybe they'll only let up like 30 this season, but for fantasy wise, I think they'll continue to be very good.
33:43And I just wanted to harp back on something that Taylor said, because I thought it was actually a great dynasty nugget,
33:49which is like, if you have some of these players that you're looking at and you don't foresee any big movement changing
33:56their value now until the season starts, like he said, preseason week two, but even, you know, Dak's barely going to play in the preseason.
34:04Like you could even wait for week one or, you know, like something like that.
34:08With some of these players, especially some of these vets that we're going to be talking about, don't, you know, you don't
34:15need to go and do it now. Right? Like he said, put him on your shopping list and wait.
34:21You, there's no, you don't need to rush into things.
34:24We're still in June. We still have like three months until the season kicks off.
34:29Your 27 first as a contender is not going to change much in value in those three months.
34:34So I just think that that was a great little piece of like, you know, just dynasty, you know, moving away from Dak just in general.
34:43Like if you're aiming for a player whose value is not going to change, why not wait for training camp?
34:49We see it every single year in training camp, major brutal injuries to players.
34:53Um, maybe it's not even to Dak himself, but something happens to CD or something happens to Pickens.
34:59And now all of a sudden, you know, the outlook on Dak is way worse than you feel bad about sending that 27 first.
35:06So, um, I just thought that that was a really, um, smart, um, piece of knowledge that I wanted to make sure we kind of, I reiterate on.
35:15Yeah. I love the wisdom there. 20 years shining through.
35:18Good job, Taylor. Thank you. All right, let's get into my call out here.
35:22I'm just going to follow suit and call out my quarterback.
35:25It's a little crustier than the way you guys went.
35:29And it's Matt Stafford. I mean, how are you going to argue that you don't want the MVP on your team?
35:35He's going in the eighth and ninth rounds of startups, which honestly, it feels way too late.
35:40And in my latest startup, he went in the sixth, which I thought was way too early.
35:46But at the same time, the guy didn't have a quarterback and he needed one.
35:50He didn't have a pick in the seventh or eighth round.
35:54So I think he just reached and made it happen, but you could probably get Stafford for a second.
36:00Plus like a young player in a trade, especially if Stafford is, you know, misaligned and not on a contending team.
36:06Let's just talk about what he did in 2025, because it was unreal.
36:10The reason he's the MVP through for 4,700 yards and 46 touchdowns gave you 21 point fantasy points per game.
36:16And people are calling for the regression here. And maybe I get that.
36:20He didn't have an insane touchdown rate. It was 7.7%, but maybe not.
36:24Right. I mean, even if he does regress that, I don't think that regress, that doesn't mean he hits rock bottom here.
36:31If we give him an average touchdown percentage of, I think the league average is like 4.5 or something like that.
36:38That's still 30 touchdowns based on the same number of attempts, which is around 600.
36:42Plus I don't necessarily see those touchdowns regressing as long as Devante Adams stays healthy.
36:47We saw what Adams was for that passing offense last year.
36:50He was the go-to guy in the red zone.
36:53When they got within 10 yards of the red zone, Adams was the guy like Kyron kind of faded to the back.
37:00We saw his touchdowns dip because of this exact same fact.
37:03What did Adams have? He had 15 touchdowns last year.
37:06Crazy. If you were, I mean, tangentially go by Adams.
37:09If you want to buy into that, that hype of, of the touchdowns there.
37:14Cause I think that's a great flex play. Who's also super cheap.
37:17You get them in like the 11th round. Plus I think the Rams recent moves just inspire more confidence in Matt Stafford here.
37:25They sold out. They sent their first to go get, um, miles Garrett on their team, which I hate.
37:30No, sorry. Not miles Garrett. Is it miles Garrett?
37:33Yes. It's miles. Yeah. I hate as an NFC West fan here.
37:37And, you know, I don't know if you guys caught the rumors of this, but like Aaron Donald is hinting at a
37:44reunion with the Rams and coming out of retirement.
37:47I would, I would definitely hate that. I don't want to line up against Aaron Donald and miles Garrett.
37:52That would be absolutely terrifying in the NFC West.
37:55And they would put us all on notice here.
37:58But yeah, I think even if they do do that, they don't even need to lean on the run to get that done.
38:05Like Matt Stafford can still start it up. And if you check out my schedule, strength to schedule article, I put up
38:12on player profiler, they have a super tough strength to schedule.
38:15They are going to be in shootouts. They're playing really good teams and they're going to need to put up points.
38:22So I don't think that they're going to be able to lean on the run game here and let their defense do the work.
38:29I think they're still going to need to pass the ball.
38:33And I like Matt Stafford at where you're getting them.
38:36What do you think of this call Jose? Yeah.
38:39I mean, I think it's, you know, the, the reverse Homer ism as a good 49ers fan, you're calling for the Rams quarterback to, to bounce back.
38:47I think it's just a dangerous game. I mean, Matthew Stafford is the most in his career, prototypical guy of, if he
38:54doesn't throw for 30 touchdowns and 4,500 yards, you're not going to be happy.
38:58Now, obviously it depends, you know, with this call out, what you're, what you're expecting from him.
39:03If you're expecting a solid quarterback one, then you need him to get to 30 touchdowns in that yardage.
39:09I mean, the only other time that he was even close to this sort of finish was in 21.
39:15And he threw for 41 touchdowns then in 4,800 yards.
39:18Like if even years where he's thrown for 4,000 yards of his, if his touchdowns don't hit the 30 mark, he's just not that relevant for fantasy.
39:26I mean, in a super flex, sure. He's a very solid quarterback too.
39:30And I think that's great. If like you're taking him as your quarterback too, or maybe your third quarterback, and he's just
39:37like a upside projection, or you're taking them as your quarterback too, to have maybe, Hey, maybe all of a sudden my
39:44quarterback to spikes and he hits 35 touchdowns. And now all of a sudden my quarterback who's putting up, you know, top
39:51seven quarterback numbers and Hey, that's awesome. I just think that you need to be a little bit careful with, you know,
39:58just hoping that what happens last year happens again.
40:00I think the defense is going to have something to say about like how close some of these games may be.
40:07But, you know, they did lose verse and they got Garrett.
40:10So, I mean, it's, it's a definitely a significant improvement, but you know, how many shootouts, how much is he going to have to do?
40:18I think like you said, the fact that they have a really tough schedule helps with that.
40:23It just, I just be cautious of thinking that he can repeat.
40:27I mean, the, I'm not, I wasn't one to buy into the injury concerns that he was pretty much going to be
40:34put in the grave like last year. Just, I mean, the back is definitely concerning, but I mean, for the last three
40:41years, he's pretty much played every single game, except missing like one or two here.
40:45So he hasn't had a significant injury, but, but you know, he took 20 plus sacks last year, which was a decent amount.
40:52So it's not like he couldn't hold up to the NFL season.
40:56They went far into the playoffs. So I don't hate the call out.
41:00I just be cautious of if you're going for Stafford, I would temper your expectations and hope you get a quarterback one
41:07finish, but you probably are more likely than likely looking at a quarterback to finish, which in super flex, that's perfectly fine.
41:14Right? Like it is. He's not your, like in that situation, you just said in that startup, that's the guy's quarterback one.
41:21I hate that scenario. I really don't want Matthew Stafford leading my, my quarterback room.
41:25you know, but apart from that, I, you know, I think he's, he's a cheaper option.
41:30If you're a contender to go get to either sure up your quarterback room or, you know, a retool if you lost,
41:37maybe you were counting on fields last year or, um, you know, somebody like that, or Gino Smith, and you're not too
41:44excited about him with the jets or, or whatever.
41:47Yeah. Malik Willis is that dude's QB too. So it's, it's rough for him, but Taylor, what do you think of the mass Africa?
41:54I think you should go trade for that guy's 20, 28 first right now.
41:58Uh, you know, I'm going to take this a little bit of a different angle because I, I, as much as I
42:05want to believe in Stafford, I think there's a reality check that comes into play as far as, is he available in your league?
42:13Because most people last year who had Matt Stafford on any sort of a rebuilding team traded him away at the deadline
42:19or prior to the deadline, because he was having such a good season.
42:23So he's on a lot of rosters for contenders after last year.
42:27So people aren't as likely to give him up because he's what they need.
42:31You know, if he's their QB two and they've got Malik Willis as their QB three or Daniel Jones as their QB
42:38three, they don't have a lot of incentive to trade him away unless you're going to overpay.
42:43And I would say any sort of a first right now is an overpay a 20, 28 first.
42:49In my opinion, for Matt Stafford is the maximum that I'd want to spend, but I'm always hesitant to pay two years
42:56out in draft picks for guys that are unlikely to still be playing in two years.
43:01Like you're kind of giving up that first, you're kind of lighting it on fire and hoping that you can stay warm long enough to win a championship.
43:09So the question to me is, is he available in your league?
43:13And are you willing to pay that? Now I went out and tried to get Amon Ross, St.
43:19Brown using Jalen hurts and asked for Matt Stafford back in the deal.
43:23Now I also had, um, um, Zay flowers in it.
43:26So it was Hertz and flowers for Amon raw and Stafford.
43:29And the guy came back to me and said, he doesn't see much of a difference between Matt Stafford and Jalen hurts,
43:36because he thinks both of them could be without a starting quarterback job in two years.
43:41And he thinks that both of them could be unable to run in two years.
43:46And so people have narratives for why they want to value Stafford as highly as they do.
43:51So as much as I appreciate the crusty vet call out, I almost feel like he's a crusty vet who's gold plated
43:58and everyone wants you to pay as though he's pure gold.
44:01And I'm not at that stage anymore. Yeah, no, that's actually a really fair point to call out here.
44:07And so maybe he's more of a startup play than he is, you know, in, in season or, um, um, a seasoned dynasty rather.
44:14So I do like that shout. All right, Taylor, why don't you kick us off with your second vet here, man?
44:21So we talked briefly about the, well, not briefly.
44:24We talked plenty about the Eagles situation, but we didn't really talk about Saquon Barkley.
44:28And I think Saquon is not in the passing game per se going to be a huge beneficiary of the AJ Brown trade.
44:35But I think in their scheme, they're going to be run heavy again.
44:39They're going to make sure that they're trying to stay ahead of the sticks with him on first and second down.
44:46I think there's a lot of potential for him to be more involved in, uh, you know, quick screen game than he was last year.
44:54We saw a lot more of that in his record breaking season when he was getting some wheel routes and some Texas
45:00routes and, you know, some more exciting plays, let's say without AJ Brown on the field, they're going to have to have some more explosives.
45:08So Saquon is obviously the guy that they can look to for that.
45:12Now, if we want to compare his seasons and say, you know, is he dropping off?
45:17Is he getting old? Yes. He's going to be 29, but outside of his record breaking season, his first year with the Eagles, he's the same guy.
45:26He's always been, I mean, he's getting around 280 attempts a year.
45:29He's getting 1100 yards. He's, you know, last year, he only had seven touchdowns, but the giants, he rarely broke double digit touchdowns.
45:36So if we think that number can go up, all he has to do is, you know, keep getting the same carries.
45:43He's been getting stay healthy. Like he's been outside of his one catastrophic injury.
45:47And he's in my opinion, a high-end RB two with RB one overall upside.
45:52Still, he still has that upside. I'm not, I'm not saying he's going to be a top three guy, but he's definitely still has that capability.
46:00And in a league where bell cows are more difficult to find than ever.
46:04I really appreciate having a guy on my roster that I know is going to be the focal point every week.
46:11So if he disappoints me, it's because the Eagles let him down.
46:14It's not because he's not good enough or because his opportunity wasn't there.
46:18So if I can go out and get Saquon for a contending 27 first, I'm going to make that move.
46:25I think I can get two really good years out of him.
46:28Plus the ability to trade him after those years, or I can get this year out of him and maybe trade him again for a 28 first.
46:37And I think having that rental or a contender is just so appealing because you can go out and get an RB
46:43one guy for, I mean a 27 first right now.
46:47Some people want that for Travis a chance. Some people want that for Javante Williams.
46:51I'd rather have Saquon Barkley than either of those guys, even with the age differences.
46:56So if I'm, let's say projected to be a top five, top six team, and I think I'm one running back away,
47:03I'm willing to give my 27 first for that.
47:05If I'm one running back away, I'm not saying one running back away and I punted at tight end.
47:11And my QB two is Daniel Jones. Like that's not the team to do it on, but if you are ready to
47:18go for this season and you just have that one hole, I'm more than fine.
47:23Sending my premium capital for Saquon. Yeah. No, I love the call out.
47:27Saquon's been a huge target of mine and startups.
47:30I've been, you get them in like the fifth round and I've been trying to concentrate all my picks, you know, in those rounds.
47:37And then I'll attack like quarterback early or wide receivers early.
47:40And then he'll be my, my running back to kind of put together a contending spot there.
47:46So I actually think that he's due for a really big bounce back season too.
47:50I think that the system is what really what let him down last year.
47:55So I'm expecting a lot more out of Sean Mannion.
47:58I know he's a first time play caller here, but I do like the, the offensive system that he's bringing in here.
48:05And I think it will be featured around play action and Saquon is just going to eat because of that.
48:11Jose, what do you say about Saquon? Yeah, man.
48:13I mean, you're, you're the math guy. So like, what's the average position when you finish first and then you, finish 14th,
48:20what would that make his average position? Seven. And so I think he finishes right there, like right in the seven, eight, nine.
48:27Like, I think that's just like what Taylor was saying.
48:30Like that's, that's kind of classic Saquon. I think it's hard to project him, you know, or project anybody ever, you know,
48:37getting to 2000 yards and what that, you know, special season was.
48:41But I mean, the fact that he is, there isn't very many running backs in the NFL who you would say are
48:48even going to get the opportunity to do that and have the talent to do that.
48:53Right. Like, I mean, you think of like McCaffrey, he stays healthy, a B John, a Gibbs.
48:58And I don't even know if you, there's another guy that you would say would have enough opportunity and has the talent to get back to that.
49:06He definitely still does. I mean, if you watch the Eagles last year, it didn't seem like he was just like decrepit
49:13and couldn't move and, you know, look slow. I mean, it just looked like the Eagles were not nearly as good and
49:20he just didn't have as big of a holes and as good of opportunities to do what he can do as a special player.
49:27So I think he's, he's a very solid RB one.
49:31I agree. If, if that's the price that you have to pay to get Saquon for the next two years to be
49:37a top contender, I think that's great. And I think you should definitely do that.
49:42He should definitely be a target. He's another guy, like we were talking about earlier though, that, you know, his stock, I
49:49don't think can do much, you know, it can't go up very much more.
49:53It's probably going to stay very solid where it's at.
49:56So you want to wait to make sure he gets through training camp healthy, you know that's, you know, another time that
50:03you could probably wait until, or right before the season to, to make that trade.
50:08The only thing to be worried about there is if another contender comes in and swoops in, but otherwise I think, you
50:14know, Saquon's pretty good to hold his value and have a bounce back season.
50:19I mean, we talk about a bounce back season.
50:22It was not like last season. I think it was just, you know, the expectations that people had on him made it
50:28so that it felt bad, but I mean, he was a, what a top 14 or something like that.
50:34Like it wasn't some catastrophic, you know, barely even relevant fantasy.
50:38I mean, yeah, he finished top 14 in a half PPR.
50:41And I mean, it was, it was a little rough week to week and you didn't get any of those 30 point
50:48game, you know, week winning type of performances except one time, I think last year, but he was very solid at like,
50:55you know, 14, I think points per game, something like that.
50:58So it wasn't, you know, a horrific type of thing.
51:01It's just a big contrast compared to his, overall one running back finish.
51:05But yeah, I think Saquon's a great shot there.
51:08If the, the values deflated because of that kind of, you know, not so good season last year.
51:13I definitely drafted him higher than the running back 14.
51:17So it felt really bad. I don't, I don't want to be dismissed in my feelings here.
51:22So, all right, Jose, why don't you go ahead and give us your next bet, man?
51:27Yeah. So I have, you know, to your chagrin or for your happiness here, I got a 49 or on my list and it's Mike Evans.
51:35I think the only thing that's stopping Mike Evans from being, you know, a top end wide receiver here next year is,
51:42is if he can just keep the substation away.
51:44Yes. We saw what happened last year with his hamstring injury, you know, injuries and then coming back and getting knocked out.
51:51Like it was not great. I think it was a shoulder and then the concussion.
51:56So, I mean, it sucked to see his thousand yard season streak come to an end.
52:01I think Mike Evans is just a great all around player.
52:04I mean, he is the definition of a crusty old vet.
52:08He's 32. So, you know, it's all like how much injury and how much risk are you willing to take on?
52:14I don't think that Mike Evans though, is somebody that's particularly expensive.
52:18If for whatever reason, he's still out there on, on a, you know, or he got, he got thrown into a trade to a rebuilder.
52:26Who's now looking to flip him. He's definitely a guy I'm waiting for the season, maybe even in season to try to
52:32make a move on and trade for. But otherwise, yeah, man, I think Mike Evans is, is a great shout.
52:39He's probably under valid. Cause people are scared about the hamstrings, the injuries, the injury history with the 49ers, all of it.
52:45But I mean, if he stays healthy, man, I think there's nobody else worth throwing the ball to basically.
52:51In that team. So, especially when Kittles hurt. So it's pretty much Mike Evans and nobody else.
52:56The way I'm seeing it, I know people like Ricky Pierce, but he's the guy that has also shown he can't stay healthy and he's a lot younger.
53:05So I love Mike Evans on a contender. I definitely love him more on a best ball team.
53:11If you don't have to, you know, be worried that he's going to get injured one year weaker or the other, but
53:18yeah, he's kind of my wide receiver that I'm looking at.
53:21Yeah. I love the shot. What do you have to say, Taylor?
53:25I think it's a terrible call. No, I actually, I can see everything that you're saying, Jose.
53:30I love the idea of Evans coming into San Francisco and really having a strong presence on that offense and doing well.
53:37I can see a world where that happens. I'm concerned about the injury.
53:41I don't say that about every player. That's not something that I go into and say, well, you know, they might get injured.
53:48That's the tough luck. We've seen it enough with Mike Evans and he's getting older.
53:52And I just don't know what's going on in San Francisco, but they already have plenty of problems when it comes to staying healthy.
54:00And whether that means their training facility or their recovery period or whatever it is, I don't like the matching of an
54:07injured guy who's getting older on an often injured team.
54:10To me, I'd rather keep my 27 second and do something else with it.
54:14I think that's probably what it costs to get him unless someone's like in a rookie draft and they're willing to trade
54:21a 26 pick on the clock for Evans. I'm a fan of that.
54:25If you're still in your rookie drafts, get him instead of whoever your 206 is this year or your 204.
54:31But I think we talked about, you know, saving your picks until it's in season.
54:36If you have to Evans is the guy where if he comes out and scores 20 points on the first game, he's
54:43probably still going to cost the 27 second. He's not going to go up to a first round draft pick.
54:49He's not going to cost much more than a second.
54:52So I'd rather see it first and then go get him if I have to.
54:57But I think I'm probably out on the Mike Evans experience when he is in San Francisco because he's passed what I would consider a safe dynasty asset.
55:05One injury in the middle of the season. And his value might be zero for the rest of his career because now he's not playing this year.
55:14He doesn't play the next year. He's done like that's a potential on the table for Mike Evans.
55:19And that's something that concerns me. So if I'm.
55:22It's the trade deadline. And Evans has been balling out and I can get him at that point, you know, for a 27 second.
55:29And I've already gone through the season and made my playoffs without him.
55:33Maybe it's a different story. But right now, Jose, I think if we were in the same startup, we'd probably be a
55:40couple rounds apart on where we would take Mike Evans.
55:43No, I think it's fair to say all that about Mike Evans.
55:47I mean, he's going to be 33 when he plays this season.
55:51Like we said, he has an injury history and the 49ers also have an injury history.
55:56So like I get it. But I think the upside is is there.
56:00And I think. I think paying a second for him in season, you might be able to get that done early in the season.
56:07If he, you know, has one or two breakout games.
56:10But if he's going off in season and he's, you know, consistently a top wide receiver or not a top wide receiver
56:17one, but a wide receiver one in finishes. I think you're going to see him go for first, like late first and in season.
56:24So I don't even think it's going to take a second to get Mike Evans off a lot of teams.
56:31Although maybe it might like we're saying, I think that this asset is just going to align with contending teams.
56:37So much like Matt Stafford, you're going to have a hard time getting this off of another player's team because he is
56:44going to be kind of that gold plated veteran like Taylor was mentioning earlier.
56:48So. Jose, any closing thoughts on Evans here before we kind of go into ad break?
56:53No, we're good. Cool. Let's do it. Let's take a quick break here and we'll jump back out of it on the other side.
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57:53We're going to get into the next vet here, which is going to be Terry McLaurin.
57:58I love Terry McLaurin and I've been trying to get him anywhere I can.
58:02In 2025, he had an underperforming season in terms of the stat book, but he was still really great.
58:08He had 23.6 targets per outrun, 2.29 yards per outrun, 0.13 first downs per outrun.
58:13He had a 36% air yard share. No decline present in terms of the peripherals here.
58:18Just injured and a product of a bad offense and other injuries around him.
58:22Jaden Daniels going down really hurt that offense in general.
58:25And then on top of that, there's a new offensive scheme in town.
58:29They have offensive coordinator David Blau, who's talking a big game for Terry McLaurin, wanting to get him 10 targets a game.
58:36And that just sounds really appealing to me. I don't know if it's going to come true, but I'm going to buy
58:43into it because the price is not much. I mean, he's 30 years old right now.
58:48And because he had a down season last year, I think that the price on him is suppressed because of that.
58:54But in startups, you're getting them in the 10th round a lot of times.
58:58I think if you were to trade for him in a league that's already established, you're probably looking at, I don't know,
59:05a second plus, maybe like an early player or something like that.
59:09And I think that he might be one of those assets that isn't misaligned.
59:13He might be on a team from a previous year and they still had him on there hoping that they were going
59:20to get something good out of him. Maybe he's on a productive struggle team.
59:24You can see him a number of ways going for that.
59:28But when it comes to David Blau too, I think that there's just a lot of hype from within.
59:34The players, the coaches, the managers, they're all kind of buying in on the offensive system that he's bringing.
59:40And I really like hearing all that. There's a lot of talk of him running heavier personnel, which I think is conducive to a target funnel type offense.
59:48Like we're saying here, 10 targets per game. I'm kind of thinking about how the Rams, the Seahawks and the Niners are
59:55all kind of funneling targets and they all run heavier personnel, at least in these past couple years they have.
60:01So I could see that being a reality here for Terry McLaurin.
60:05And also kind of a side note, I think that there's some hype for the Washington tight ends.
60:10I think Senate has been kind of slept on a little bit or maybe I'm just delusional.
60:16But I think that if they do run multiple tight end sets and run heavier personnel, I think Senate could actually be a productive piece of this offense.
60:24I know they invested in Chigakonkwo and free agency, and that's where all the hype has been going.
60:30But Senate is just an afterthought now. Like I bet if you sent a fourth round pick for Ben Senate, you'd probably
60:37be able to lift them off of a team because nobody is thinking that he's going to be something.
60:43But he might be something with the way that we see this sort of offensive scheme be efficient and operate, getting those tight ends involved sparsely.
60:51Probably better in a best ball league, if I'm being honest.
60:54But if you play in one of those or deeper leagues, then it could be that guy.
60:59So Taylor, what do you think about this call here, man?
61:03Terry McLaurin is a guy that I like to have if I have Jaden Daniels.
61:07I don't always stack my teams, especially if there's, you know, 11 starters or something like that, 12 starters.
61:13But in a start nine, even in start 10, I do like to stack certain offenses.
61:18CeeDee Lamb and Dak is a stack that I like to have.
61:22I think McLaurin and Jaden Daniels, because if Daniels is going to have three passing touchdowns, there's a good chance one or
61:29two of them is going to be to McLaurin.
61:31Like those guys had a great rapport during Daniels first year.
61:35And then, like you said last year, the injuries just derailed them entirely.
61:39So I'm kind of just forgetting about what happened last year.
61:42I'm taking the dip that's out there. I'm buying as a, you know, we keep saying 27 second.
61:48I like to get more creative with my trades.
61:51I like to try and keep those obvious currencies.
61:53Like I think of the 27 second is like a $5 bill, right?
61:57Like you can always go out and buy something for five bucks.
62:01It might not be your favorite thing, but you can fill a spot with it.
62:06You can use your second. For a guy like McLaurin, I would rather try to do like a two for one with my players.
62:13I'd rather try to, you know, maybe tear down from someone if that's the perception and get a McLaurin and a second from them.
62:21I'm not going to try and go out and spend my second for him because I probably need a running back on
62:27my teams or I might want to buy someone in season.
62:31That's just my personal preference, but I am buying McLaurin.
62:34He's just a guy that I'm trying to do it with a different cost.
62:38Yeah, no, that's totally fair. Jose, what do you got on Terry McLaurin, man?
62:43Yeah, I think it's kind of a two way street where you need Jaden Daniels to stay healthy because we saw they kind of never really matched up.
62:51It seemed like at the beginning it was McLaurin was hurt and then Daniels was out of the lineup.
62:57And the backup is not somebody you super trust to get Terry McLaurin the ball.
63:02I think if you can have them paired up and they play most of the season, it should be a lot better.
63:09And that's what you're banking on. And, you know, that's pretty much it.
63:13I mean, it's just an injury history for both.
63:15And also the departure of what was the guy?
63:18He just went to the Rams. He was the OC.
63:21Former Cardinals head coach. Oh, yeah, that guy. That guy, you know who I'm talking about.
63:26You talking about Kingsbury? Kingsbury, there you go. Cliff.
63:29I think, you know, he's pretty good. Like for an OC, I don't think he's a great head coach, but I think
63:36in terms of OC, I think he does a lot of good stuff.
63:40So I think that's also, you know, a bit of a hit to their potential.
63:44But I think the floor is there. And I think a lot of people age and his bad season last year have him undervalued.
63:52So I wouldn't hate to pick up McLaurin as a, you know, as a contender for, you know, my wide receiver four or five flex type of spot.
64:01So solid. Okay, cool. Let's blitz through these last three guys.
64:04I don't think we're going to get to our bonus guys.
64:07So go ahead and shout them out if you want to.
64:11But let's keep it brief on these next guys and get through them pretty quickly here.
64:16So Taylor, why don't you shout out your last veteran here?
64:19So my last one is a wide receiver. I went with T Higgins.
64:23I mentioned him earlier as a guy that I think similar with Devonta Smith.
64:27You know, I mentioned he's kind of like a mid wide receiver to somewhere in that 16 to 14 range.
64:34I think Higgins has the potential to have spike weeks that can win you weeks, especially if Chase misses time for any reason.
64:41We've seen him be able to step in and take a huge target share.
64:45I've been able to acquire T Higgins and some deals this offseason, you know, two seconds.
64:50When I've been on the clock, I was able to trade the 108, the 204 and the 208 for Higgins and DJ Moore.
64:57I don't know if that's still out there, but if someone likes someone at the 108 and you can just do the 108 for T Higgins straight up.
65:06I'm into something like that. I think this year's class, any, any, you know, if you're past the 105, go and get a guy like T Higgins.
65:14That's, that's my play. No, I love it. And I think that I often talk about how wide receiver twos do this
65:21cycle where whoever was the better wide receiver to, and I'm talking about for their team specifically for that year.
65:27Whoever was the better one is always boosted up in the rankings next year.
65:31T Higgins wasn't that guy last year. And because of that, he kind of falls down below the rankings.
65:37But yeah, I mean, what, he's 27 years old.
65:40And I think he's still got some, some good years left in him.
65:44Two seconds is a really good price. I would love to pay that.
65:48Even the 108, that sounds really good. Jose, what do you think about the T Higgins call?
65:53Yeah, I love it. I mean, I'm, I think the Bengals offense is always just, is Joe Burrow going to be healthy?
66:00But I mean, they, they, you know, they have their Joe Flacco backup plan that worked out pretty well last year once it got rolling.
66:08So I'm not too scared about it as much this season.
66:11I think T Higgins is pretty much an alpha and almost like he could be in every wide receiver room besides like
66:18when he's playing with a chase or Jefferson or, or one of these other guys.
66:23But he has the talent. He also obviously has his own injury concerns.
66:27I don't think he's barely ever played a full season except maybe it's like 2022, maybe.
66:32I don't know. But yeah, he's barely ever played a full season.
66:36So, you know what you're getting with him in terms of that, you just be prepared for him to miss, you know,
66:42two to three weeks and do that. But I think he's a great player to have as your wide receiver three or,
66:49you know, one of those, not your ace, but the guy that you put in your wide receiver three or your flex.
66:56And all of a sudden he has a 30 point game and he wins you the week from the flex spot.
67:02Like he's that type of player. And that's, you need those guys and contending teams.
67:07You need guys that, Hey, all of a sudden my wide receiver one, Jason only put up 10 points, but Oh, look at that.
67:14You know, Higgins came through with two touchdowns and a hundred yards and save, you know, save my week that way.
67:21Right. Like he's, he's that he's those type of players that I think I call glue pieces, the dynasty rosters, right.
67:27They're not the crown jewel, but they're a very important part that kind of holds it together.
67:33Yeah. It's just part of the T Higgins experience, right.
67:36It's very boom bust. And part of that bust is the injury games too.
67:40So, um, all right, Jose, who do you got next for your last bet here, man?
67:45Yeah, I mean, I'll shout them out. I don't know exactly ADP wise, if they're going very close to each other, but
67:52it's two kind of older running backs. It's, uh, David Montgomery and, um, Tony Pollard.
67:57Um, I do like the rookie that they drafted in, um, in, uh, Nick, Tennessee.
68:01Yeah. Nick Singleton. I have been picking up about him a lot, but I'm not so sure that that's going to, you
68:08know, materialize until later in the season. So, I mean, you know, between these two guys, I think you have a running
68:15back too solid between them in the couple of weeks.
68:18They're both old and crusty, but I mean, Monty should be the main guy coming out of Houston.
68:23We'll see how their offense can do. And Pollard, it seems very clear.
68:27I mean, Padre Spears can't stay healthy. So I'm not too worried about it.
68:32I think on an ascending offense, like the Tennessee Titans, like we talked about last week with, with chef, we talked about, um, Cam Wardan.
68:40We talked about, uh, Ted or, uh, sorry, Tate.
68:42Um, it was all good stuff. So, um, you know, I, I think that I, I like Pollard and Monty just as
68:49those guys, um, those old guys that we always talk about that cost you nothing.
68:54Like maybe like a Javante Williams last season or some of these guys that you can get for thirds.
69:00Um, now that all of a sudden, Hey, look, they had a very solid RB two season and they were very pivotal,
69:06you know, more glue to your, um, dynasty championship.
69:09Yeah, no, I, I love the call out here.
69:12Taylor, what do you think of Tony Pollard or David Montgomery?
69:15It seems like Monty has pretty good trade value right now.
69:19I think if you can go out and swap Montgomery for Pollard and gain a third, that's something I would be interested in.
69:26I think that's out there. What I've seen in startups now, especially if rookies are included in the draft, Singleton is going ahead of Pollard.
69:34I don't think that's how it's going to play out.
69:37I like Pollard quite a bit more than Singleton, but he's been there in like the 14th round.
69:42So he's a guy that I'm taking as my RB three, knowing that I can use him as an RB two on
69:49bi-weeks or if an injury strikes something like that.
69:52And he has flex potential, but he's not someone I'm taking Montgomery the same way.
69:57I'm not relying on them as my RB two on a contending team.
70:01They need to be my three or four. Yeah.
70:03And I think that's where they're being priced at too, is where you can kind of grab them and stash them and
70:10either put them into the flex or, you know, keep them for the bi-weeks like Taylor saying.
70:15And yeah, I think they're both really cheap. I would probably lean Monty over Pollard there, but I do like the play
70:22of, you know, getting a Pollard plus for Monty.
70:25I think that's, that's pretty savvy. Okay. Much like Taylor was saying about getting these guys in the late rounds of startup,
70:32JK Dobbins, man, that's my last guy here. He's just good, like plain and simple.
70:36I think even coming into the league, he had a lot of hype, but we just never saw from him because of,
70:43you know, ACL injury after ACL injury, after Achilles injury, those injuries are where it's why he's being priced where he is.
70:50And I mean, it's also a little bit part of his age too, but I think the injury risk is really driving that dip.
70:57But in 2025, he had a 62.3% opportunity share when he played, he was eighth in yards per carry out of the whole league with five.
71:06He also has like 117.2 EPX, which is the player profiler score here talking about how explosive he is on the ground.
71:12He doesn't really get a lot of receiving work.
71:15That's kind of been RJ Harvey's role. And, um, but I think that just makes him a better play in half PPR.
71:22And also like, what if, what if Dobbins is healthy for a year?
71:26Like the injury concern narrative is legit, but I also kind of love betting against those injury and injury narratives when the price is right.
71:34And the price is extremely right. Like, I think you can send a late 26 second for him.
71:39In fact, I did that in one of my leagues and he's now in my flex because of it or an 11th
71:46round startup pick, maybe even later, you might even be able to get him in the 12th.
71:51And plus with like this 2027 hype, you might be able to send a third or maybe a couple of thirds to get him.
71:59I also love the arbitrage play of taking him in a startup with Charbonnet, getting, you know, the first half production in Dobbins.
72:06If you account for that injury history. And then the second half play of Charbonnet, who I think is really undervalued in
72:13dynasty startups right now because of Jadarian price is kind of driving that price lower on Charbonnet.
72:18But I'm not really factoring in Charbonnet price. I think Charbonnet is probably the guy to go to.
72:23And I like that. That's the arbitrage play for me.
72:27So pairing Dobbins and Charbonnet together, I think you can get an RB or starting RB RB2 for the whole year between those two.
72:34If you account for Dobbins going down, if he doesn't go down, then hey, then you just have two players that you
72:41can start in the later half of the year.
72:44So I like him as a decent RB2 and an excellent flex play in deeper leagues.
72:49How do you feel about J.K. Dobbins here, Jose?
72:51Yeah, I mean, like if you can glue kind of, I mean, sorry, Zach Charbonnet and J.K.
72:57Dobbins together, you'd have like a very solid one running back.
73:00I just think that the J.K. Dobbins experience has been way too brutal of an experience in overall.
73:06Like we talk about injury history, but like and we've talked about a lot of vets, Mike Evans, a lot of guys that have injured.
73:13But I mean, if you had to put money on which one of these guys and you never want to see people get injured.
73:21But if you had to say which one of these guys we've talked about this year would end up with a decent injury.
73:28I mean, J.K. Dobbins has barely ever played more than like 13.
73:32I mean, especially in the last couple of years.
73:34And it's just the toll that those brutal injuries take on him.
73:38It does seem like he always bounced back ACL after ACL after Killes and now the foot last year.
73:44But I think if you're going to take a shot on the on the Denver backfield, I think he's probably the cheapest.
73:51Right. I mean, besides like the guys that have no no name whatsoever.
73:55But between Coleman Dobbins and Harvey, he's probably one of the cheaper options.
73:59If you wanted to take a shot, he is probably the guy that has the most likelihood to get most of the reps compared to the other guys.
74:07So that's something. But I think it's just he can only be, you know, your fourth running back.
74:13You're like, you know, something real deep where you're like, hey, like if this turns out great, if, you know, I can
74:20flex him for three, four weeks and then, you know, the injury or something or he loses the job.
74:26And so be it just somebody that you're not accounting for, but maybe just a little hopeful surprise at the end of
74:32the season or as you get through the season.
74:35He's definitely not somebody I'm trying to acquire really in any sort of meaningful way.
74:40But I can see it. I mean, I see what you're saying, the path forward.
74:45I just I can't I can't believe I'm not I'm an unbeliever.
74:48No, that's fine. Yeah. It takes a lot of a lot of balls to kind of bet on an injury risk like that.
74:55But but also you have Harvey and you have Jonah Coleman going above him in startups.
75:00That's I just feel like that's very mispriced. But Taylor, I don't know.
75:04Are you seeing the same thing as Jose is or do you feel like he's a goodbye?
75:10So I think J.K. Dobbins is one of those guys that you can go out and get before the season starts.
75:16That's that's like, you know, week one, all the hype has been built around Jonah Coleman.
75:21You know, Sean Payton has been hyping up Harvey because they're trying to boost his confidence, even though he's not going to be the guy.
75:29Like I just see his price getting to a point where you can send a third, get Dobbins and then start him a handful of weeks.
75:37I put more value into a player that I can reliably start six times a year than a player that I start 12 times.
75:44And then he gets me duds like I want a guy that I can put in my lineup.
75:50I know I'm getting 12, 15 points out of him and maybe he's not available every week.
75:55But when he is, I can depend on him.
75:58And I think Dobbins is still that guy. I think he's in an offense where he can be that guy.
76:04And, you know, like you said, sometimes you got to zig and.
76:08Paying a third for a guy who everyone thinks is going to get injured right before the season starts is the kind
76:15of move that can make the difference between a playoff push and a championship run.
76:19Yeah, absolutely. I mean that he made one of my teams last year.
76:23I sent I was big on RJ Harvey and I had RJ Harvey on my team when the Dobbins news came that he was signing with the Broncos.
76:32The manager sent me, hey, here's Dobbins. Give me a third.
76:35And I was like, gladly. Like, I get a running back handcuff here where I was, you know, didn't feel great about it.
76:42And he ended up being in my lineup until he got injured.
76:46He was just there weekly as my running back, too.
76:49So, man, I can't agree more with that. I mean, I love the call out of my call out of Dobbins.
76:56But I love that you agree with it, Taylor.
76:58But all right. Well, if we want, go ahead and shout out our bonuses.
77:03Give me your elevator pitch on why you have this guy on a bye.
77:07Taylor, go ahead. DJ Moore. We've seen him do it with quarterbacks with lesser talent.
77:12He's come out and been a wide receiver one.
77:15I think that, you know, there's a lot going on in Buffalo in that wide receiver room.
77:20Whoever can come out with a vengeance is probably going to be the guy that Josh Allen looks to.
77:26I could see him having that veteran understanding with a guy like DJ Moore and just saying, hey, we're going to push this as far as we can.
77:34And there's just a lot of opportunity for him.
77:37And his cost is, you know, a second and a third.
77:41So go out and get him if you need a receiver.
77:44I like getting a guy like him for a second and a third versus, say, Mike Evans for a late second or something like that.
77:52I just got to poke at Jose because it affects J-Mac's team.
77:55It affects Jose's call. You know, it just works out well.
77:59Two for one. All right. My bonus here is Travis Kelsey.
78:02Rice is a knucklehead. Targets go somewhere. And he's super cheap.
78:06I mean, the dude is a Hall of Famer.
78:08I don't care about his age. If I need points, he's going to be on my team at the price that he's at.
78:15I think you could probably get him for a third, you know, maybe a 20, 28 second.
78:21You have to send it to get him. But in startups, his ADP and sleeper is the 14th round.
78:27But Taylor and I were talking beforehand. That's not usually where he's going.
78:31He's usually going in the 11th or 12th round.
78:33And that's with tight end premiums, I think. And he's an excellent flex in tight end premiums, especially in the 11th or 12th round.
78:41He's usually a bench asset at that point if you've built your team right.
78:45So Travis Kelsey, get it done. Jose, you already called out your guy, but did you want to say any more on any of those guys?
78:53No? No, we're good. Let's do it then. Let's end this show.
78:57Taylor, thank you, man, so much for coming on.
79:00This was a lot of fun. Hopefully we can get you back on here in the future.
79:05But before we go, why don't you shout out all your work, what you're doing, where people can find your content and give them all the good stuff.
79:14Well, I'm over at DynastyNerds.com. You can see we specialize in mock drafts.
79:18We're already coming out with some 2027 early mock drafts.
79:21We've got an NFL mock. We've got big boards that come out.
79:24I personally write stuff about startups and trade advice, trying to get people as much market value information as I can.
79:31I'm out there trying to make one trade a day.
79:34I'm in over 30 leagues. That's my goal. One trade a day helps me keep my finger on the pulse, keeps my rosters churning.
79:41That's kind of the goal every morning. My wife loves it.
79:45That's her favorite thing is me saying, oh, sorry, one second, I'm sending a trade.
79:49But you can find me on Blue Sky. My name is Taylor NFL over there.
79:54Or you can find me on X if you're still using that at my sleepers.
79:59Thanks, man. Really appreciate it. Let's hit the outro here.
80:02Stay plugged in with Future First. We'll keep you guys going on all the great Dynasty content, strategy, all that good stuff.
80:09Jose, man, what do you think of this episode?
80:11It was awesome, man. I think I've been really enjoying having guests on.
80:15It's kind of, you know, this kind of the fantasy world part of the season.
80:20Rookie drafts have happened. We don't have a ton of training camp news.
80:24So it's great to get somebody else's perspective. Someone such a seasoned, seasoned, seasoned vet like Taylor here.
80:30But no, it's been awesome, man. Thank you, Taylor, for taking time out of your morning, on the weekend to come hang out with us.
80:37You know, you're a dad. You're doing the whole thing.
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