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The Undrafted - Chris Rodriguez is a JAGuar

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1 hr 6 min
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Jul 24, 2026
Published
Fri, July 24, 2026
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Topics
Kenneth GainwellBucky IrvingChris RodriguezColston LovelandDavid MontgomeryOronde GadsdenTrey McBrideCaleb WilliamsChase BrownChigoziem OkonkwoDarren WallerDavid NjokuDe'Von AchaneHarold Fannin
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Bucky Irving

NegativeValue19:00

Irving is valued as RB16-17 on crowdsourced dynasty sites (Dynasty Data Lab, Keep Trade Cut), but the source notes he is not getting that valuation in actual leagues, where managers refuse to trade him away even for older players like Derek Henry. The source suggests Irving could be a 'lily pad' trade target—moving from Irving to David Montgomery could yield positive value, as Montgomery may outscore Irving over the next two years despite Irving's year-one breakout hype.

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NegativeRole20:49

The source acknowledges Bucky Irving's efficiency as a runner when healthy and pass-catching ability, but expresses concerns about his durability and role ceiling; he missed time in year two with shoulder and foot injuries, and the addition of Kenneth Gainwell caps his upside despite his youth and talent.

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NegativeRole24:15

Bucky Irving is the primary running back in Tampa Bay's offense, but the source notes that last year's performance 'had to scare them a lot,' suggesting durability or consistency concerns. The Buccaneers signed Kenneth Gainwell as a pass-catching complement, indicating Irving may not be a full-time workhorse despite being the lead back.

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NegativeRole28:00

The source expresses concern about Bucky Irving's workload and ceiling due to Kenneth Gainwell's excellence and Irving's own unspecified issues. The source believes Tampa Bay will be compelled to play both Irving and Gainwell, which limits Irving's upside. Additionally, the source mentions 'all of Bucky's weird shit going on' as a reason for concern and would 'definitely try and make a trade to get off Bucky' if possible.

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NegativeRole48:21

Bucky Irving is used as a baseline comparison for Tampa Bay backfield opportunity; the source mentions Irving as a lily pad off which to evaluate other Buccaneers running backs.

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Caleb Williams

PositiveProjection30:06

The source believes Caleb Williams is an elite quarterback talent and could be a top three scorer this year if everything falls into place. He's paired with Ben Johnson, whom the source credits with elevating Williams' play. This quarterback upside directly supports the bullish case for Colston Loveland in dynasty.

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Chase Brown

NegativeRole52:24

Chase Brown is used as a comparison point to Basial Tootin; while neither would rank among the top 10 most talented running backs in the NFL, Brown's explosiveness and situation with a quarterback willing to check down to running backs in Cincinnati makes him viable, and the same logic applies to Tootin's upside.

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Chigoziem Okonkwo

NegativeProjection45:00

Okonkwo is explicitly ruled out as a comp for Gadsden; he does not appear on the high A-dot list (unlike Waller, Gadsden, and Colson Loveland), indicating a different route-running and downfield profile. The source uses Okonkwo as a contrast to show that Gadsden's elite A-dot and yards-per-route metrics align more with Waller's role than with Okonkwo's.

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Chris Rodriguez

NegativeRole49:19

Chris Rodriguez faces a depth chart threat from Basial Tootin; Rodriguez is new to the system and his health status heading into training camp is uncertain ('we'll see at training camp just how healthy Rodriguez is'), whereas Tootin had a strong OTA performance and was already acclimated to the system, giving Tootin the edge in the opportunity battle.

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NegativeBust49:59

Rodriguez has played three NFL seasons with only seven career targets and never rushed for more than five yards per carry; last year he accumulated 500 total yards after 200 and 100 yards in his first two seasons. The source dismisses the narrative that Rodriguez poses a significant threat to Basial Tootin's backfield role, arguing there is no real competition and that Rodriguez is a complete zero in the pass game with minimal upside for touchdown-dependent production.

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Colston Loveland

NegativeBreakout30:03

The source believes Loveland could finish as tight end one overall this year; he's a 22-year-old with elite target-earning upside under Caleb Williams and Ben Johnson in Chicago. The source has significantly more Loveland than Trey McBride in dynasty and sees him as a 'rocket ship to the moon' in tight end premium formats. In a FFPC tri-flex (start 10) startup draft, Loveland went off the board at pick 203, ahead of elite wide receivers and running backs at that range. The source acknowledges target competition from Roma Dunze and Luther Burden but dismisses it, betting instead on Loveland and Burden as Ben Johnson's preferred targets. The Dunze foot injury is a minor concern, but the source is 'hoping' Loveland finishes as tight end two over McBride.

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NegativeProjection45:10

Loveland ranked third in A-dot last year and, like Gadsden and Darren Waller, plays a downfield-focused role. The source groups Loveland with elite A-dot tight ends to illustrate the tier of downfield production, though the primary focus remains on Gadsden's comp to Waller rather than Loveland.

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Darren Waller

PositiveProjection45:02

Waller had the highest A-dot in football last year and ran 162 routes; despite the limited route volume, he returned value because of elite per-route efficiency. The source uses Waller as the primary comp for Aranda Gadsden's potential role in Miami under Mike McDaniel, suggesting that if Gadsden can stay healthy and play in a similar downfield-focused role, he could replicate Waller's elite production.

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David Montgomery

PositiveValue14:00

Montgomery is RB20 in redraft (Underdog) but closer to RB30 in dynasty, creating a significant value opportunity. The source acquired him multiple times in the offseason at cheap prices (e.g., Xavier Worthy, two late second-round picks) and views him as set up for a high-volume bell-cow role in Houston. Nick Haley has been effusive in praise, calling him 'all day tough,' and the Texans are invested in toughness on both sides of the ball. The source treats Montgomery as a one- to two-year mercenary play for contenders, projecting 15 PPG potential, with Woody Marks as a non-threat handcuff. The situation mirrors Joe Mixon's magical year in Houston two years prior.

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PositiveValue20:34

The source identifies David Montgomery as an interesting pivot option, noting that in many leagues he can be acquired at a discount (Montgomery plus other value) compared to alternatives like Derek Henry; he could score more points than Derek Henry this year and potentially over the next two years.

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David Njoku

NegativeRole40:42

Njoku has transitioned from a seam-stretching weapon (like he was previously) to a more possession-type, reliable receiver who can play multiple roles; he functions as a veteran presence in the Chargers tight end room alongside Kohler and Gadsden.

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De'Von Achane

NegativeValue5:00

The source mentions that fading Devon Achane is the correct move according to current market sentiment, citing offensive circumstances as the reason. This reflects a cautious, overcorrected market stance on Achane.

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Harold Fannin

NegativeProjection46:42

Fannin ranks fourth in yards-per-route efficiency at approximately 1.6–1.7 yards per route, part of the elite tier alongside Pitts, Bowers, Juwan Johnson, Aranda Gadsden, and Tyler Warren. The source uses this metric to benchmark Gadsden's per-route production.

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Jeremiyah Love

PositiveValue6:00

Love is being pushed down to the third round in redraft (RB12 on Underdog) after being discussed as a mid-second-round option early in the process. The source attributes the price drop to overcorrection from the Ashton Gentile experience (14 PPG, inconsistent scoring), but argues Love's elite talent and pass-catching ability make him a smash at current ADP. The source emphasizes that fantasy football requires taking swings on talented players to gain edges, and Love could be an absolute hammer in the second half of the year; even if he has a modest rookie season, his trajectory could lead to him being a top-three RB in future years.

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Joe Mixon

PositiveProjection15:00

Mixon had a magical year in Houston two years ago, which the source cites as a historical parallel for David Montgomery's potential in the same offense. The comparison supports the thesis that Montgomery could have a high-volume, high-scoring season in Houston.

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Jonah Coleman

PositiveDepth Chart60:40

The source identifies Jonah Coleman as a preseason competition watch against R.J. Harvey in Denver's backfield. The source believes Coleman is better than Harvey and expects that if Coleman performs well in training camp, he could win the depth chart battle and secure significant usage. The source notes that strong training camp performance from Coleman would be "really bad news for Harvey," implying Coleman has legitimate path to lead-back opportunity.

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Jonnu Smith

PositiveProjection44:04

Jonu Smith was drafted as tight end 26 in redraft but finished as a top 5 tight end, demonstrating Mike McDaniel's ability to elevate tight ends from low expectations. The source cites Smith as evidence that McDaniel can unlock value, though notes that Smith is not the ideal comp for Gadsden's downfield profile compared to Darren Waller.

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Juwan Johnson

NegativeProjection46:42

Johnson ranks third in yards-per-route efficiency at approximately 1.6–1.7 yards per route, placing him in the elite tier with Pitts, Bowers, Harold Fannin, Aranda Gadsden, and Tyler Warren. The source uses this metric to contextualize Gadsden's per-route production.

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Kenneth Gainwell

PositiveUsage22:26

The source projects Kenneth Gainwell to exceed his Vegas over-under of 50.5 pass receptions, believing the Buccaneers brought him in specifically for pass-catching duties and that he will be heavily utilized in that role, which in turn limits Bucky Irving's upside.

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PositiveValue24:15

Kenneth Gainwell was a productive Memphis prospect who could catch the ball; the source liked him as a prospect and overpaid for him in a rookie draft when he fell. Gainwell has a history of endearing himself to coaches—Nick Sirianni loved him, Aaron Rodgers valued his pass-blocking, and Mike Tomlin utilized him heavily in Pittsburgh. Now in Tampa Bay under new OC Zach Robinson, Gainwell was one of the first moves the Buccaneers made in free agency, suggesting Robinson made promises and had expectations for what Gainwell could be in the offense. The source traded Jacoby Myers straight up for Gainwell, viewing it as an okay price tag.

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PositiveRole25:37

In Tampa Bay's pass-happy offense under OC Zach Robinson, Gainwell has a chance to profit from the passing volume. From a dynasty perspective, he is a fun player to own because he is an automatic start if Bucky Irving misses time, and even if Irving stays healthy, Gainwell can get through in deeper formats as a flex or RB2 due to his pass-catching ability.

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PositiveValue26:32

The source acquired Gainwell by trading Jacoby Myers straight up in dynasty, viewing it as a reasonable price. Gainwell is usable as a flex or RB2 in deeper formats due to his pass-catching ability.

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PositiveProjection27:00

The source projects Gainwell could average 13 points per game if Bucky Irving were to be injured or removed from the offense, suggesting significant ceiling upside in the Tampa Bay offense under Baker Mayfield, who throws to running backs at a rate in the realm of Aaron Rodgers.

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NegativeRole27:34

The source has long-standing skepticism about whether the NFL will view Gainwell as a lead back despite his talent. While the league has evolved to accommodate smaller backs like Bucky Irving and A-Chan Ekeler, Gainwell remains in a complementary role. However, the source believes Gainwell can play more snaps than he has historically, and expects Tampa Bay to deploy both Gainwell and Irving, which limits Gainwell's standalone ceiling.

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Kyle Pitts

NegativeProjection46:42

Pitts leads the yards-per-route ranking at approximately 1.7 yards per route, placing him at the top of a tier that includes Bowers, Juwan Johnson, Harold Fannin, Aranda Gadsden, and Tyler Warren—all clustered between 1.6 and 1.7 yards per route. The source uses this metric to contextualize Gadsden's per-route efficiency relative to other elite tight ends.

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Luther Burden

PositiveRole32:12

The source bets on Luther Burden as one of Ben Johnson's preferred targets in Chicago alongside Colston Loveland, dismissing concerns that Burden's breakout could cap Loveland's target ceiling. The source gravitates toward the guys Johnson took as soon as he arrived, positioning Burden as a core part of the offense.

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Nick Chubb

NegativeRole13:00

Chubb is cited as a historical example of a rookie running back who was held back early in his career despite showing promise (one big run in the second game), illustrating the pattern of rookie running backs being ramped up gradually rather than given immediate full workloads.

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Oronde Gadsden

PositiveValue40:26

Gadsden has a super cheap price tag across all formats despite strong rookie production; the source believes he's undervalued relative to his opportunity, noting that players who perform as he did in year one often take a big step forward in year two. In Dynasty, this represents significant upside at a discount.

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NegativeRole40:52

Gadsden is a seam-stretching weapon capable of explosive plays; he does not compete directly with Charlie Kohler (a blocking tight end in the running game) or Njoku (a possession-type veteran). The source's primary concern is route volume and playing time given competition from Trey Harris and Quentin Johnson in the slot, but in heavy personnel packages with fullback Alec Engle, Gadsden could be one of only three wide receiver options, positioning him to beat his ADP.

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Oscar Delp

PositiveValue47:27

The source drafted Oscar Delp on their Scott Fishbowl team due to tight end premium scarcity; Delp represents a speculative tight end pick with upside in premium scoring formats.

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Puka Nacua

PositiveValue48:00

Puka Nakua was selected fourth overall in Scott Fishbowl scoring and 'looks pretty good' in that format, indicating strong early-round value and performance in PPR-heavy scoring environments.

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RJ Harvey

NegativeDepth Chart60:40

The source expresses significant concern about R.J. Harvey's preseason competition and role security. Harvey faces a depth chart battle with Jonah Coleman, whom the source believes is better; the source notes Harvey is undersized and that Denver's new offensive coordinator adds uncertainty. The source emphasizes that loyalty in the NFL is conditional on health and performance, not draft capital, and expects Coleman could outperform Harvey in training camp, which would be "really bad news for Harvey." The source also notes the market is pessimistic on Harvey and he could fall further in draft value.

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Tony Pollard

NegativeProjection62:02

The source sarcastically dismisses the likelihood of Pollard repeating his 12 receiving touchdowns from the prior season, stating "when have we ever seen 12 touchdowns, not repeat itself" with heavy sarcasm, then says "there's no way he doesn't get to 12 touchdowns" in a similarly sarcastic tone. The source is clearly skeptical that Pollard will match his prior-year touchdown production and is banking on reasonable usage rather than touchdown regression.

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Tre Harris

NegativeRole40:39

Harris is mentioned as a competing slot receiver option alongside Quentin Johnson in the Chargers offense; the source questions how much route volume Gadsden will receive given this competition.

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Trey McBride

NegativeValue5:00

The source mentions that fading Trey McBride is the correct move according to current market sentiment, citing offensive circumstances as the reason. This reflects a cautious, overcorrected market stance on McBride.

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NegativeValue29:56

The source has Trey McBride and Colston Loveland very close in dynasty single QB, but prefers Loveland due to age (McBride turning 27 vs. Loveland at 22) and quarterback situation (Caleb Williams vs. 'the great unknown'). McBride is an elite target earner with two years of proven production, but the source believes windows to acquire Loveland plus for McBride are closing. In tight end premium formats, Loveland is preferred as a 'rocket ship to the moon,' suggesting McBride's dynasty value has plateaued relative to younger alternatives.

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Tyler Warren

NegativeProjection46:42

Warren ranks sixth in yards-per-route efficiency at approximately 1.6–1.7 yards per route, placing him in the elite tier with Pitts, Bowers, Juwan Johnson, Harold Fannin, and Aranda Gadsden. The source uses this metric to contextualize Gadsden's per-route production.

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Woody Marks

NegativeRole16:40

Marks is not a threat to David Montgomery's workload in Houston. The source describes him as one of the older prospects in last year's running back class and notes he had only a couple of usable weeks. Marks should be treated as a handcuff to Montgomery at best, not as a handcuff-plus or standalone upside play.

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1:26I am your host, Scott Belanger, a.k.a. Jax Falcone.
1:29You can find me on Twitter at DinoGameTheory. This is episode number 251.
1:33Let's roll. And it is with a great pleasure.
1:35I invite maybe the person I've had on this show, maybe more than any other guest outside of OTC realm, and that
1:42is my very good friend from the GOAT District.
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1:48No. From Roto-Wire. Mr. Theo Greminger is gracing us with his presence once again.
1:52Mr. Theo Greminger, welcome to the program, and congratulations on the new gig, my friend.
1:56Well deserved. No, I really, really, no, really, really appreciate it.
2:00And yeah, I've been on your show a million times.
2:03You've been on my shows a million times. Congratulations on hitting 250.
2:06That's a significant milestone for you guys. I mean, it was all a dream.
2:10Used to read Word Up Magazine, and now you're dropping 251.
2:14I think it's, I mean, it's awesome. You've been crushing the show, and yeah, we talked a little bit in the pre-show,
2:20and yeah, it's been a big kind of change for me.
2:24But it's, I kind of told a bunch of people this.
2:27It's like, there's no days off. Like, for Fantasy Points, I sort of worked till the end doing shows.
2:33Yeah. And then I ripped off a bunch of shows for Roto-Wire, and I've been doing a show a day in the
2:39month of July, did a couple at the end of June, and it's just been put your head down and work.
2:46And that's sort of what fantasy football is in July and August.
2:49If this was like a change that happened in like February, maybe I would have noticed it a little bit more.
2:56But it's like, I put out content. I think it helps people win in fantasy football, and the Roto-Wire community's embraced that.
3:02A bunch of people sort of, you know, that listen to your shows or listen to my shows, and a bunch of
3:09people came over from like the Fantasy Points audience.
3:11So we've got really big plans to do some awesome stuff at Roto-Wire.
3:15I'm thrilled about doing it, but I'm more thrilled to just put out really good stuff, just like I do every single July and August.
3:23And time to win some leagues this year. It's a weird year for both Dynasty and for Redraft.
3:28It feels like, I don't know, people are being kind of cautious on certain guys.
3:33I think there's edges to be had, and I think leagues can be won this year.
3:38So I'm really fired up about my own teams, let alone my own content.
3:42Fired up about everything, man. Yeah, it does feel like a little bit of a different year for some reason.
3:48I don't know what that is. I mean, obviously for you, you're going through some changes of your own, you know, changing
3:54from Fantasy Points to Roto-Wire, which, like I said, is well-deserved.
3:58I know that, you know, you didn't leave anywhere.
4:00You just went someplace. There's a big difference. You know, you haven't burned a bridge, man.
4:05Everybody in this industry really respects and loves you, as do all of your former partners and employers, etc.
4:11So, you know, this is really an exciting thing.
4:14I just wanted to mention that. I don't know why everybody knows that.
4:18But, you know, it's true. You know, it really is.
4:21I mean, there's so much respect for you. I've had respect for you longer than everybody, so I really deserve a little bit more.
4:28No, I'm only seasoned. I do remember the Goat District days, man, when I went on that show.
4:33And this was many years ago when you guys were just, you know, fledgling, if you will.
4:38I really respected the fact that you guys had a pretty cool, you know, following, even though it was smaller, right?
4:45Because we were all kind of just in the space together.
4:48It was a lot like the following that I felt like we had at the Undroppables, which was very loyal and very,
4:55like, into what we were actually doing. And I think that was there was something there that was, like, real.
5:01And I think that's what you bring. And I think that's what it is that people are gravitating towards.
5:06You're not a pretend guy. You know, you're not pretending to know about football.
5:11You're not pretending to work hard and try and figure out where the edges are.
5:15You're actually doing these things. And I think that shows through.
5:18So enough glazing here. You had mentioned it's a funny year and that there's some people being afraid or cautious was the word you used.
5:26I guess I would ask, where do you what are you talking about there?
5:30And maybe just kind of open the window to that that idea.
5:34I just think it's it's multifaceted where we can make arguments that the fantasy gamer is getting sharper.
5:39Yeah. And the fantasy gamer is not paying for last year's stats and all those sort of things where we can sort
5:46of look at it from a from a glass half full perspective that the market is completely correct.
5:51That fantasy gamers have it right. That fading Devon Achan is the correct move because of the offensive circumstances that, you know,
5:58fading Trey McBride is the correct move that putting Jeremiah Love, one of the best prospects we've seen at the running back
6:04position in like 20 years into like the fourth round in NFFC drafts right now.
6:09Late third round and big money drafts is the correct moves because of all these concerns we have about the offense.
6:15And we can sort of like take that glass half full that it's like a sophisticated take.
6:20But I think it's also a little bit of people are being overly cautious and I don't think they're I think they're
6:27a little bit worried about getting burned in certain situations.
6:30And I think that they're a little too comfortable with certain older players that have been very healthy the last couple of
6:37years and been producing at a crazy clip. I also think that there is a big stance in the in the industry
6:43where not necessarily yourself, but there's a lot of really smart people.
6:47And if you ask 10 really smart people you respect about like redraft strategy and what's the way to go about it
6:53this year, you're going to get so many people telling you to start your draft with two running backs.
6:59And I think it's almost becoming like maybe the edges here or be dynasty is a whole nother ballgame because the markets
7:06are always sharper in dynasty because we are evaluating not just this year, but sort of like the big picture thinking.
7:12But I think there's still ways to sort of to leverage the redraft and best ball markets to find dynasty values.
7:18You see it every single year guys get these dynasty bumps because they're like a better in best ball type pick or
7:25or they're seeing a redraft bump and maybe a guy rises into the fifth round of redraft.
7:30And suddenly there's a window for him to be a sell in dynasty.
7:34Yeah, but I just feel like it's a weird year.
7:37A bunch of different things sort of converging into one another.
7:40And it's just an interesting one. Very interesting one.
7:43Yeah. Well, with all that, I don't know where I'm going to start.
7:47Let's start with actually the Jeremiah love because I thought that, you know, you mentioned that this is actually a question I'm
7:53asking because he is the RB four in dynasty.
7:56And that's I disagree with that. I think he's the RB three in dynasty, but either way, he's a top four running back in dynasty.
8:04He's as talented a running back as we've seen.
8:06He's not more talented than some of these other, you know, big names we've seen B.
8:11John and Saquon, but he's up there, man. You know, I think he's a better prospect by a hair than Ashton Gentile
8:18and Ashton Gentile was, you know, legendary, but I love, I think he's way up there as, as an elite prospect.
8:24What's wrong with the, I don't know what's wrong with the offense.
8:28I don't see anything quote unquote wrong with the offense.
8:31It's not like, I mean, he's going to be pretty dominant.
8:34I would think he's going RB 12, as you point out and underdog and, and redraft.
8:39I mean, that's, that's, that feels wrong. What are your thoughts just in a, in a vacuum on, on, on Jeremiah love right now?
8:46Yeah. I mean the, the discourse of like, should you take them in the middle of the second round early on in
8:53the process was sort of like an interesting one, but now he's getting pushed down to a range in the third round
8:59where it feels kind of like a floor and it feels like a range where he could just crush it over the second half of the year.
9:07I think it's many fold. I think the Ashton Gentile, you mentioned Ashton Gentile and I think that's the number one factor
9:14for redraft managers is they got burned on Ashton Gentile, but they had to take him like 12, 11, 13.
9:20Yep. Now it's like we, you only got a 14 point per game season out of Gentile and it was like not consistent scoring across the board.
9:28It would be like a really good week with some bad weeks.
9:32And I think that Jeremiah love is getting punished there where people say it could be another situation where the offense as
9:38a whole can hold down like this fantastic talent of a running back.
9:42And we need to therefore adjust him incredibly. But I don't know.
9:46For me, it's like it's way too. It's almost like a like an overcorrection in price where fantasy football is not about
9:53fantasy football is not about like it's a nuanced game, but we have to take swings in order to win fantasy leagues.
9:59You have a one out of 12 chance to win and we can find edges that can push that number up.
10:05Certainly like grinding through waivers and redraft that kind of stuff.
10:09But at the end of the day, you're going to have to hit on some guys that crush their ADP.
10:15You even if you get it right in the first and second round, there's going to be guys in rounds three through like eight.
10:22Yeah, and there's always a handful of them and you've got to identify a few of them.
10:27The JSN betting on it. You know, that's it bet on a talent.
10:31And with Jeremiah love, you could see a situation where second half of the year.
10:35He's an absolute hammer. Yeah, and we can have this conversation next summer and I don't think it's out of the realm
10:42of possibilities that we're podcasting together in July 2027 and we're like, oh, so are you taking B.
10:48John Robinson or Jeremiah love at three overall this year?
10:51Like and it's and he's not going to get there by having a zero this year.
10:55He's going to get there because he's super talented, super explosive, big play ability and also the ability to catch the football at a really high rate.
11:03So I think you've got the gente factor. I think you've obviously got the Carson Beck factor where people are fearful that
11:10Beck can take over and maybe, you know, sink the offense.
11:13I think that's a realistic fear. But again, is Jeremiah love good enough to be slightly QB proof and able to overcome being in a bad situation?
11:21We've seen multiple running backs in sort of bad situations have really good fantasy production, especially when you're getting him in like the dead zone.
11:29Then you've you've got the Tyler Algier thing where Tyler Algier people don't want the whole B.
11:34John Robinson rookie year experience. Again, B. John was going at like the one to turn, not the third round, but they don't want the whole B.
11:42John rookie year experience where you get like sporadic usage and then you have the ridiculous one.
11:47I don't know if you've heard this one. Arizona is going to be so bad that they're going to shut Jeremiah love
11:54down for the end of the season, which is the stupidest thing I've ever seen.
11:58No, that one is dumb. The other is like we could talk it through like the others.
12:04Yeah, yeah. The end of the day, it's are you willing to chase upside and are you willing to take a shot
12:10on a guy going somewhere between like the 305 and in some leagues like the 401 that could provide insane, insane returns if it all comes together.
12:18And I think we could say like if the usage is really good for Jeremiah love, he's going to absolutely smoke this ADP.
12:25Yeah. And I think he's going in front of a range of guys that could all be sort of there's all some
12:32red flags with a lot of the running backs going behind him as well.
12:36So I think Jeremiah loves a really interesting click.
12:39I didn't think I'd be all in on him in redraft, but, but you didn't think the price was going to be here either.
12:46I don't think it'd be there. Right. I mean, we've seen this and, and Gentry is the perfect, um, you know, replica from last year.
12:53We certainly thought he, I would think, you know, without being, I'm more of a dynasty guy.
12:59I play a little bit of basketball, but I would have think Jeremiah love would have been one two turn guy, you
13:05know, certainly in that, you know, top six, seven, six, seven RBs.
13:09There you go. Um, but for sure. Right. And then, you know, to turn around and see him where he's at, look,
13:15the, the rookie year experience, I think is a good one because we saw it with JT.
13:21We see, we see it with all these players.
13:23It's really difficult sometimes as a rookie because there's a bit of ramping up, you know, Nick Chubb.
13:29I can remember he had like the, the one big run in like the second game and we're like, please play Nick
13:35Chubb, uh, you know, as a rookie. So we see these guys sort of held back, um, and maybe he'll be held
13:42back a little bit, but if, and when he actually plays, you know, a 70 or 80% running back share for any
13:48team, I feel like he's a top six back in the league.
13:52Um, with a little bit of touchdown luck, he's, he's there.
13:55Right. And, you know, we talk about bad team, good team.
13:59Well, if he's on the field, I really don't care how good or bad the team is because he's an all purpose player.
14:06He does at least project, especially with this roster to play on pass downs as well.
14:10So I'm with you on, on, um, on Jeremiah love one of the other values I've been thinking about and talk me
14:17off this ledge, but David Montgomery feels like a huge value in dynasty right now, because I think, well, maybe he's starting
14:24to go the other way a little bit because people are starting to see it, but his value, I just looked at it.
14:31I think in, um, in, uh, let me see, where is he?
14:34Yeah. He's the RB 20 and underdog. So I think that's fair, but he's closer to the RB 30 and dynasty.
14:40Um, you know, second round pick, you know, there, there's been some acquisitions of David Montgomery.
14:45I'm sure you've seen in your leagues that are just really inexpensive and you might have a top 15, 10, 15 running back on your hands.
14:53Right. Yeah. I mean, we saw this two years ago with Joe Mixon in this offense where you had that magical year.
15:00And I think if you're, if you're looking at David Montgomery, is there a chance that, I mean, certainly I think it
15:06could end up being a two year window for him.
15:09Um, but David Montgomery set up to have a really, really high volume role.
15:14Um, it feels like Houston is invested a lot on sort of both sides of the ball in terms of having like a ton of toughness.
15:21We also saw how effective that defense was last year.
15:24They were an edge to have in fantasy football.
15:27Having the Houston defense was like, you know, having a, uh, an edge over like defense three or defense four, whoever you played against.
15:34And I think they'll continue to be that. Um, but I think they're really going to embrace David Montgomery.
15:40Um, Nick Haley has been like effusive in his praise for him, called him like all day tough.
15:45Yes. They've talked about like the bell cow thing.
15:48And I think David Montgomery, not taking on like a huge workload the last two years, it gives him an opportunity to
15:55sort of restart the clock here in Houston. And for dynasty, I acquired a lot of David Montgomery early in the off season.
16:02Um, I had a couple of very fun prices.
16:04I paid like a, I think it was like a Xavier worthy for David Montgomery price.
16:09I paid, I had a, in a single QB league.
16:12I traded like two late seconds before like people kind of got wise about this year's second round values.
16:18And I turned that into David Montgomery. Um, so I think David Montgomery, like from a dynasty perspective, he's maybe, is he a mercenary one year guy?
16:26I think you've got to treat him like he's a one year guy, like in terms of your long, like you've got
16:33to say to yourself, I'm going for it this year.
16:36I'm getting David Montgomery. I'm putting him in as my RB two.
16:39I'm putting him in as my flex. And I could have a season where he gets 15 points per game.
16:45But I think there's another story where you might pay a mercenary price tag where people say, you know, a little bit
16:52older back, how long is his window? And then you end up getting maybe a two year window for Montgomery.
16:58Cause I think there's gas left in the tank.
17:01Um, he's a really tough player. And I think this could be a great situation for him.
17:06And I think it's also a Woody marks is a non threat.
17:09I think Woody marks like Woody marks is not some like unknown upside guy who's going to explode in your two.
17:16Woody marks was one of the older prospects we saw last year at like the running back position in that class.
17:22Woody marks had a couple of usable weeks. Now I think you treat what he marks like what he marks is most
17:29valuable to like the David Montgomery manager in the league as like his handcuff.
17:33Right. Um, but he's not like a handcuff plus.
17:35I think this is Montgomery time. Um, and history can repeat itself.
17:39It could be Joe mix in part two. Yeah.
17:42I'm with you a thousand percent. I, you know, the thing with, um, the thing with Montgomery too, he's been like, you, I think you touched on it.
17:50He's been very durable. So I think from, uh, the position, the, the position I'm looking at, like you would, you had
17:57said, um, he might be a one or two year mercenary type running back, but outside of the top six, maybe there's
18:03a few others, you know, maybe there's five or 10 running backs who you can project into three years from now, like, you know, two seasons away.
18:12Um, the rest of them are all one year guys, you know, I mean, who's to say that, you know, Basial Tootin is going to be worth anything.
18:20Like, you know, go down the list, like even young players, we have no idea.
18:24Cam Scadaboo. It's like, okay, well, are you sure he's going to be a starting running back in three years from now?
18:31I, there's no guarantee of that. Anybody who says that, oh, they know, hasn't played dynasty with running backs, you know, ever before in their life.
18:39You know, it's just, it's just the way running backs are.
18:42They get churned. Uh, there's only a few of them.
18:45Uh, you go look at the backup running backs, running backs, you know, 25 through 60 and dynasty, and it's littered with names of guys.
18:53We thought were going to be starters for years and years and weren't.
18:57So I think for that reason, David Montgomery is as sturdy an asset as you can really have at the running back position.
19:04And like you said, I think he's got the backfield to his own.
19:07So I'm, I'm, I'm, and I'm going to shift it this way.
19:11What about Bucky Irving and David Montgomery could be a really good, I called it lily pads or whatever, you know, jumping
19:18from one to the other and getting off of Bucky Irving and onto something else that feels way less expensive.
19:24In other words, you know, what could you do with, with a trade going from Bucky Irving to David Montgomery?
19:30I think you can do pretty well. And then the question is, is David Montgomery going to outscore Bucky Irving over the next two years?
19:37I almost think it's more likely. What are your thoughts?
19:40I mean, I think it's a really interesting and great pivot.
19:44And I think Bucky Irving is one of the more interesting players because whenever I talk dynasty with people, they'll bring up
19:50like dynasty data lab or keep trade cut. And I think we have to, um, because those, I mean, those sites have
19:57a lot of value in terms of like showing that where the crowdsourcing is, but it's definitely like a not in my
20:03league bro guy where Bucky Irving, like he's running back 17 or running back 16 on all these sites.
20:09And in my leagues, he's definitely not getting that sort of running back valuation.
20:13Like if you come at somebody with a offer of like, can I have your Bucky Irving for, for, you know, I'll
20:20trade you Bucky and you trade me, you know, Derek Henry or something like that.
20:24They're going to laugh in my face. And even though Derek Henry is an older player, it's sort of like, no, I'm good.
20:31I'm a contender. I'm going to go with Derek Henry.
20:34Right. I think David Montgomery is a little bit, it's sort of the unknown plays into it for you where you could
20:41end up getting a situation where who scores more points this year.
20:45I think it's David Montgomery and who scores more points over the next two years.
20:49It could absolutely be David Montgomery. And then you talk about like how we have to treat guys like Bucky Irving year
20:56one, me and you were teaching the world about Bucky Irving year one before like the big breakout.
21:01We're like, Bucky Irving's that dude, go get Bucky Irving.
21:04And we had a bunch of Bucky Irving. And I remember us being on like player profiler shows with like Matt at
21:11the time and sort of like crushing the Rashad White stance that year.
21:15So like we made money off of Bucky Irving.
21:17But I think when you look at Bucky Irving now, does long-term dynasty for him, is he a really effective runner when he's fully healthy?
21:25I think so. I think so. Does he have pass?
21:28Absolutely. Does he have pass catching ability? Absolutely. And is he young enough?
21:32Yes. Yes. But the fears of smaller back who's taken a hit, had trouble getting staying on the field last year, shoulder
21:38injury that's lingering, had the foot problem, already missed time in year two.
21:42Now year three, sort of, is he fully ready to go?
21:46I know there's optimism right now, but they bring in Kenneth Gainwell.
21:49Well, he's already sort of a, even if you have a fully healthy Bucky Irving, I've sort of taken the stance that
21:56even if the efficiency as a runner is fully back, I think he's a win at ADP, but he's not a smash
22:02because Kenneth Gainwell, the Vegas over-under for him for pass catching right now, I think it's like 50 and a half.
22:09I'm taking the over on that. I think Kenneth Gainwell catches more than 50 passes.
22:13I think they brought him in to do that, and I think they like him.
22:18So I think Gainwell's presence sort of caps his upside anyway.
22:21So David Montgomery, to me, I think that's an interesting pivot.
22:24I think in a lot of leagues, I can get Montgomery plus.
22:28You would think so, right? I've got another question I'm going to ask you about Bucky and Kenny Gainwell right after this.
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23:13Welcome back to the program, Theo Gremminger and I.
23:16Theo, thank you so much for joining us. The takes are flowing off you like fire.
23:21You know, I had comped Cam Scadabo to you famously.
23:24Honestly, I think you're better. Honestly, I think that was probably a little bit too low.
23:29You know, we got to find a new comp for Scadabo.
23:32You're much greater than that. He could be like a long-lost cousin.
23:36He's a NorCal guy. Got a bunch of family over there.
23:39Maybe. Maybe Cam Scadabo. Maybe Cam Scadabo. We could be Cam Scadabo.
23:42Hit me up. Wow. You guys should do a...
23:45What is it called? The... Little Ancestry. Check it out like the Ancestry.
23:49Yeah, yeah. Something like that. Yeah, yeah. Exactly. Send in each a piece of hair and see if you guys are...
23:55See how it lines up. See how it lines up.
23:58I think so. Yeah, for sure. For sure. I've met Theo in person.
24:02I'm a little taller, I will say. Slightly. But man looks like he could find a hole in a gap scheme.
24:09That's all I'm going to tell you. There we go.
24:12There we go. Yep. Man looks like it. All right.
24:15Bucky Irving, Kenny Gainwell. Wow. They... I mean, Kenny Gainwell...
24:18First of all, if you can remember. I mean, we got to go back a little bit.
24:23But do you remember how much you did or did not like Kenny Gainwell as a prospect coming out?
24:28I mean, I liked Kenny Gainwell coming out as a prospect.
24:32I remember actually an overpaying for him in a rookie draft when he fell.
24:36It wasn't like a crazy overpay, but I remember overpaying for him.
24:40It was like the really productive Memphis guy. He could catch the ball.
24:44Yeah. And then I think, you know, somewhere in the multiverse, Saquon doesn't end up in Philly.
24:49Maybe Kenny Gainwell would have had like a longer term chance.
24:52There was the... Nick Sirianni really wanted him to be a thing.
24:56Or he doesn't end up in Philly with a non-throwing to the running back quarterback.
25:00You know, all the... That's fair. That's fair too.
25:03Yeah. Many multiverse situations here. But Gainwell... I always talked about how Gainwell has like a way of endearing himself to coaches.
25:09Like, Nick Sirianni loved Kenny Gainwell. And that was like...
25:12He wore the t-shirt, all that stuff. He tried to start him that one year over Miles Sanders.
25:18And then it quickly shifted, obviously. And then, you know, even with Saquon there, they still liked Kenny Gainwell.
25:23And then Gainwell gets to Pittsburgh. And Aaron Rodgers really liked him because he can pass block.
25:29And they utilized him heavily. And Mike Tomlin like fully like rolled him out.
25:33And now he ends up in Tampa Bay where Zach Robinson signs on as OC.
25:37And one of the first moves they made was getting Kenneth Gainwell.
25:41And it's an interesting one because, you know, we talked about Kenneth Gainwell pre-free agency.
25:45Like, there's going to be a huge market for this guy.
25:49I think there was some sort of promises made and expectations for what he could be in this offense.
25:54Robinson, like, praises Bucky Irving. And I think they do internally like Bucky Irving.
25:59But last year had to scare them a lot.
26:01And then you've got an offense that's very pass happy.
26:04And I think Gainwell has a chance to sort of, you know, like profit off of that.
26:09And from a dynasty perspective, he's a really fun player to have because a lot of dynasty rosters are constructed where you
26:16have a ton of talent at wide receiver. Maybe you're a little bit more fragile at running back.
26:22And having guys like Gainwell, he's an automatic start if Bucky Irving misses time.
26:26And if Bucky Irving doesn't miss time, I can get through in some deeper formats with him as, like, my flex.
26:32Even like an RB2 because the pass catching ability is great.
26:35So, I've actually acquired – I traded Jacoby Myers for Kenneth Gainwell straight up in a league.
26:40I thought that was an okay price tag to pay.
26:43Absolutely, yes. And a couple other leagues, like, I made, like, little moves to try to have a little bit more Gainwell exposure in dynasty.
26:51But, yeah, I mean, I had him last year.
26:54He helped a ton. I don't – does he have the same sort of ceiling in this offense that he had in
27:00Pittsburgh where that was, like, sort of, like, the offense?
27:03I think so. I think he could average 13 points per game if Bucky Irving went away.
27:08I was going to say, certainly with a Bucky Irving injury, his ceiling is much higher than I think it was in
27:15Pittsburgh, or at least right there with it, right?
27:18I just think that, you know, you look at the way Baker plays.
27:22I'm not looking at the, you know, how often he throws to running back type of thing.
27:27I mean, I don't think it's as good as Aaron Rodgers.
27:30But, nonetheless, it's in the realm. And, you know, I do think that when you said that coaches seem to like Bucky
27:37– I mean, Kenny Gainwell, I think it's because he's awesome.
27:40You know, I can remember my take on Kenny Gainwell when he came out was he's awesome.
27:45And then, you know, it's sort of like – you know, same thing with, like, R.J.
27:50Harvey. I was like, I liked R.J. Harvey. We'll get to him in a moment.
27:54But I had fears. I still have fears for Kenny Gainwell.
27:58It's like, you know, I like him, but will the NFL see him as a lead back?
28:03I was not sure. And that was right. That was good, you know, skepticism at that time.
28:08And he's still not seen that way, obviously. But the league has changed a little bit since Kenny Gainwell was drafted in
28:15that we're seeing smaller and smaller backs, one of them being Bucky Irving, succeed.
28:19You know, a lot of these guys were not – we didn't have that.
28:23You know, I did the anatomy of an elite running back in Dynasty for many years, and we just didn't see sub-200-pound backs.
28:30We just did not see it. As a matter of fact, even sub-205-210 you really didn't see.
28:35So to see A-Chan and Bucky Irving and, you know, Gibbs and all these players who are excellent players, but to allow
28:42them, the NFL sort of allowing them to elevate, I think has a lot to do with the way that, you know
28:48– I don't want to make this a long conversation, but defenses are lighter today than they were because of the pass game.
28:55So you can kind of get away with a, you know, 195-pound back being back there because the linebackers aren't 250 anymore.
29:02They're 220, right? You remember. Like, these backers were fucking kill you.
29:05Ray Nitschke or whatever. Huge. They're 260 pounds. Yeah, 265 and playing linebacker.
29:09Yeah. Right? So it was more of a power game.
29:12Now it's a little bit more of a finesse game.
29:15So all these things culminating, but to the point that I think Kenny Gainwell can play more than he has played in the past, I think is obvious.
29:24You know, it's clear that he can. And this Bucky Irving situation, I think they're going to be compelled to play both
29:30of these guys, and that's what scares me about Bucky.
29:33Kenny Gainwell's excellence is what scares me about Bucky as well as all of Bucky's weird shit going on.
29:39I mean, those are the things. So, yeah, I do think that I would definitely try and make a trade to get off Bucky.
29:46I don't know how easy that is, so maybe there's a time in the future that that makes more sense.
29:52I want to ask you another either or. This one's fun.
29:56It's not a running back. But I have to, you know, I started this take and I was not too afraid to say it.
30:03Colston Loveland versus Trey McBride in Dynasty. You know, straight up.
30:06Straight up. Who you got? I have them so close.
30:09I mean, I had McBride, and I saw this on the show sheet, and it's sort of like every time you start
30:16actually going through the process, I have a guy who's turning 27 this year with a guy who's going to be 22.
30:22There you go. That alone is sort of like the upside case there.
30:26Then you sort of look at quarterback situation, Caleb Williams versus the great unknown.
30:30Caleb could end up being, you know, is it crazy to say Caleb could be a top three scorer this year if it all falls into play?
30:39I don't think so. And Caleb, I think, is an elite talent at quarterback.
30:43I know there's a lot of discourse on how talented Caleb is, but I think he's really good.
30:48And I think that Ben Johnson elevates him. So you have those simple factors.
30:52The one thing with Trey McBride has going is he's an elite target earner.
30:57We've seen it for two years. With Colston Loveland, we saw it for five weeks.
31:01That doesn't mean it's not correct. I think that the days of getting Trey McBride, getting Colston Loveland plus for Trey McBride,
31:08I think there's still windows in a lot of leagues though.
31:11And I think that there'll be fewer windows maybe a month into the season.
31:15That's sort of my take on the situation. So I have them both in like single QB dynasty ahead of market.
31:22And then in tight end premium, Loveland is just a rocket ship to the moon.
31:26We saw in a FFPC tri-flex, which is the start 10 format.
31:30Colston Loveland went off at the 203 in a start 10 super flex format draft in the startup.
31:35So like the money's behind Loveland too. So like...
31:38I gotta ask, did he go behind Trey McBride?
31:40That I could double check for you. I didn't see it.
31:44I figured that at the 203, I think he did.
31:47Yeah, I'm assuming so. But I mean... 203, I think he did.
31:50No more than 13 picks away. You know what I mean?
31:54Yeah, I mean you're talking about Loveland over elite wide receivers, elite running backs, elite quarter...
31:59I mean very good quarterbacks at that range. So I will get you the board on that.
32:04But like, I don't know. I think Loveland could go absolutely bonkers this year.
32:08The argument against Loveland comes down a little bit to teammate target competition.
32:12Where, you know, there's a situation where could we see a fully healthy Roma Dunze and a Luther Burden breakout sort of
32:18cap the true target ceiling for Loveland? I'm not buying it.
32:22But I think you can make that argument. I do think it's going to be very consolidated.
32:27And my bet is on Loveland and Burden. And the Dunze foot thing scares me a little bit.
32:32I think, you know, there's some Dynasty people making the argument that it's like it's reached an inflection point and Dunze has gotten much cheaper.
32:40We should take shots on him. But I'm still gravitating towards the guys that Ben Johnson took as soon as he got there with Burden and Loveland.
32:48I just think Loveland's awesome. I have a ton of Colston Loveland in Dynasty.
32:52I have way more Colston Loveland than I do Trey McBride.
32:55So I'm hoping your tight end two over McBride thing is true.
32:59I just think Loveland's awesome. I think he could blow up this year.
33:03I think he could finish as the tight end one overall this year.
33:07But Trey McBride, I feel like, you know, some of the stuff we talked about with Jeremiah Love also is coming into play with McBride.
33:14He has the most receptions we've ever seen from a tight end in over a two-year period.
33:19He has crazy contract insulation. And he took a step forward last year as a touchdown scorer, which was something we held
33:26against him for pretty much his entire career and at Colorado State.
33:30So I have them very close. If you tell me I can get Colston Loveland plus, even if it's a small plus, I think I'm making that move.
33:38If I get a Colston Loveland straight up for Trey McBride offer, I think it's roster specific.
33:43If it makes sense for me to get younger, I'm absolutely making that move.
33:47But I think they're close. I think they're both behind Bowers for me.
33:51Check it out. So last year, if you take both the regular season and the postseason together, which, of course, I'm doing
33:58to illustrate Colston Loveland because he did kind of blow up in the playoffs.
34:02But those were real NFL games. And as a matter of fact, they were real NFL games that I would argue mattered even more.
34:09You know, they sort of showed their trust in Colston Loveland in the playoffs when he was able to blow up.
34:16And if you take all NFL games from last year and you look at yards per route run, which is a fairly OK metric.
34:23And my point is here is that, you know, we didn't see Loveland playing as much early on.
34:28And then when he did play more snaps, he was checks notes.
34:32Dope AF. That's what I have. Very, very dope.
34:35Very dope. I don't know what that means, but that's what I have written down here.
34:39So dope AF that he was fifth in the entire NFL and yards per route run behind Dalton Kincaid, Tucker Craft, George
34:46Kittle, Sam Laporta ahead of Trey McBride. And, you know, look, Trey McBride ran a lot more routes.
34:51You know, he ran 700 routes, basically 695 routes.
34:54But isn't that kind of the point with Trey McBride is that we're getting there a bit on volume, a volume that
35:01was fueled by Jacoby Brissette throwing left and right on a team that was losing by a ton.
35:06That's also got Michael Wilson there. Michael Wilson was no per target per per route run phenom last year.
35:12He was a counting stat Jerry Judy all star.
35:14So I do think there's a little bit of regression there.
35:18You know, you wouldn't project Colson Loveland to run 700 routes.
35:21I mean, Trey McBride to run 700 routes this year.
35:24I would take the under, right? Yeah. You know, so right.
35:27So the sort of the target rate and all that.
35:30Marvin Harrison Jr. comes back. He turns 27. Look, I love Trey McBride.
35:34But when you compare that to Colson Loveland, who on a per route basis was more productive than Trey McBride last year.
35:41He was also PFF's third rated tight end and receiving grade.
35:44I think the dude's probably just awesome. Like, you know, if you remember, Theo, me personally, this is not feeding my old takes.
35:51My old take was fade these guys coming out of the draft.
35:55You remember me saying that. I was not a Colson Loveland, Tyler Warren draft him early in the first round person.
36:01That's just I was unsure. I'm less unsure now.
36:04I'm very sure that Colson Loveland is going to be potentially the number one target in Chicago over Burden and Adunze.
36:10And if that's the case, this could be absolutely bonkers if he's able to stay healthy.
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37:05I think a lot of smart people are on with Loveland.
37:09130 target season with Loveland might be worth more than $155 for McBride this year, especially the quality offense.
37:14So, like, I mean, I get it. I mean, I think that at the end of the day, Loveland is phenomenal.
37:21And I think he's going to take a huge leap forward this year.
37:25And I think that if, you know, you want to rank him at tight end two in Dynasty, I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
37:32I do think Trey McBride, though, a lot of the stuff we're talking about, though, it's two years, though.
37:38It's not just last year for him. Right. It's taking that big step forward where he's had the massive season in 2024 as well.
37:45So, like, the sample size with him is strong.
37:48And I do think if you're talking about just, like, the market, the Dynasty marketplace, everybody wants to get some Loveland right now.
37:55And there's way more McBride sellers than there are literally no one selling Loveland.
37:59Like, good luck going and getting a Colston Loveland.
38:02Yeah. So, I'm with you, though. I do think, like, having as much Colston Loveland as possible is great.
38:08And I think this could be the year. I think there's a chance he's tight end one overall this year.
38:14I think he's fantastic. I think Warren is also interesting where he's sort of just in his own little mini tier here.
38:20But if we're looking to sort of gain another guy who could get a ton of, like, a huge target share for
38:27his own team, things are kind of lining up for Tyler Warren there.
38:31And there's way less steam with him than there is, you know, Loveland.
38:35And certainly, few people are bringing up the, like, Warren-McBride discourse as well.
38:39So, it's sort of like Warren's also sort of an arbitrage play for Joe McBride.
38:43And you can get Warren plus in a lot more leagues than you can Loveland plus if you have your sort of conviction.
38:50And I sort of put Fannin in with Warren a bit.
38:53I know you know I love Fannin. The other guy that I think is interesting further down that I'm not sure exactly
39:00what he is, but Gadsden, you know, dude, Gadsden in best ball and redraft right now is like, what's that ADP?
39:06Have you seen this? Like, this is ridiculous. Yeah, it's absurd.
39:10I've talked about it. Where Ronda Gadsden, when it first came out, and we first had, like, best ball ADP, like, post-Super
39:16Bowl, Ronda Gadsden was like tight end nine. And everybody steamed him up, and everybody's like, this is it.
39:22You got, you know, and then when Mike McDaniel first gets there, people are like, you know, we're going to get, like,
39:29a Johnnie Smith type usage for Gadsden. Gadsden's going to be that guy.
39:32And then it was just like a slow drip, a slow, slow drip where Gadsden keeps getting pushed down and pushed down and pushed down.
39:40I think that the drafters were maybe a little too enthusiastic to put him at tight end nine.
39:45But I think where he's going now, where he's behind Chigakonkwo, and he's like tight end 17.
39:50He had 660, was it 660? 650 receiving yards last year, which was excellent.
39:55Like, you know, David Njoku's done that like two or three times in his career.
39:59Gadsden did it as a rookie. It was top 20 receiving yard season all time for a rookie tight end.
40:05And he showed the ability to put up spike weeks, not like theoretical spike weeks, like actual weeks that helped you win in fantasy.
40:12That's right. Now the latest one is there's Charlie Kohler steam out there where people like Charlie Kohler.
40:18And I think it's just everyone is trying to find, like, ways to get in on the Chargers offense this year because we believe in Mike McDaniel.
40:26We believe in Justin Herbert. And we see Lad McConkie's price has gone way up.
40:30Omarion Hampton's price has gone way up. So it's all these, like, tertiary weapons.
40:35Even Quentin Johnston's prices steam way, way up. But I think, like, a Rondé Gadsden, it's a really fun click in best ball and redraft.
40:42Oh, yeah. But in Dynasty 2, it's like this guy, like, players who do what he did as a rookie, a lot
40:49of times they take that big next step forward in year two.
40:52So I think Gadsden, it's like a super cheap price tag right now in literally all formats.
40:57And he just keeps getting more and more beat up as the summer moves along.
41:02It's like everybody likes every Charger except for Rondé Gadsden, though.
41:05Yes. I'm with you a thousand percent. It doesn't make any sense to me.
41:10I actually think, you know, a lot of what you said there was you were echoing the, you know, the devil's advocate conversation, why people were fading him.
41:18I think the real reason that you should even be considering the fade is probably the other wide receivers, mainly QJ, you said.
41:25Yeah. Because I do think that, you know, those other guys, Kohler doesn't play the same position as Rondé Gadsden.
41:31They don't play the same role. Then zero times will they be like, you know, running a play that features Rondé Gadsden.
41:37But, you know what? Actually, Kohler instead of that will zero times that will happen because they don't run the same position there.
41:44One's a bigger blocking tight end who provides value in the running game and can leak out and catch something if he has to, Kohler.
41:52The other guy is a seam stretching weapon who can rip your heart out and take one, you know, for 70 yard touchdown.
41:59Charlie Kohler will never be threatening the, you know, safety.
42:02It's just not going to happen. And so I know Njoku was that.
42:06He's not that anymore. I think he's a bit more of a possession type, reliable, can kind of play both of those roles.
42:13And I think he's sort of just that veteran, you know, hey, you need a couple guys in the room.
42:19You don't have a one man tight end room.
42:21I thought the room came together nicely. The rug really tied the room together.
42:26You know, Kohler doing what he does. Njoku doing what he does.
42:29Now, the question is how much playing time will Gadsden get?
42:32How many routes will he run this year? How many routes will he be able to run on a game by game
42:39basis when you've got Trey Harris, Quentin Johnson? Quentin Johnson likely to play some of that slot.
42:44Will they go Harris, Johnson, Ladd, and then a Kohler Njoku type?
42:48Or will they go, you know, QJ on the outside with Ladd and then Njoku and Gadsden?
42:53Will Gadsden be able to get that type of playing time where he's the sort of featured slot?
42:58I don't know. That's my only concern. And that seems to not be tight end 19 in best ball concerns.
43:04Yeah, I know. I agree with you. And it's sort of, again, we talk about like this overly cautious approach that some drafters are having with certain players.
43:13Like, you know, believe what you see with your own eyes in certain situations.
43:17And like if it is a heavy formation and we see like a lot of heavy personnel and they're also going to
43:24play Alec Engle the ton at fullback this year.
43:26Then like Gadsden could be like one of only three wide receiver options.
43:30In addition to like whatever we're getting from Hampton and Mitchell on a lot of packages and routes.
43:36So there's a chance that Gadsden could really beat his ADP.
43:39And the cheaper he gets, the opportunity cost is lower for you.
43:43And it's also the better chance he has to beat his ADP.
43:46Like tight end 9 would have been really tough for him to do.
43:50That was sort of like, you know, we mentioned Akankwo.
43:53It's sort of like Akankwo heading into year 2.
43:56We saw him get really steamed up. We saw Greg Dolcich get really steamed up that year.
44:01But now you've got Gadsden down in a range where if you miss, like what's the harm?
44:06Yeah, exactly. It's like what's the harm? And in Dynasty, I want to have access to Gadsden as well because he displayed sort of rare traits.
44:14And we've got Mike McDaniel who's a tight end whisperer recently.
44:17Where like what was Darren Waller and then they end up getting Darren Waller and they're using him on a really high usage role like off the couch.
44:26Jonu Smith was certainly not steamed up by anyone.
44:28He was like a tight end 26 that year in redraft and ended up finishing as like a top 5 tight end.
44:35So like we've seen McDaniel be able to elevate tight ends and Gadsden's just super cheap right now.
44:40So it gives you access. Oh, and also those spike weeks, those happen with Justin Herbert.
44:45So it's not like he did that with some backup quarterback and it was like just some random spike week.
44:51He did that with Justin Herbert. So a lot of reasons to like him, especially with the price tag so cheap.
44:57Yeah, absolutely. And to your point, one more thing, I'm going to put a bow on this.
45:02But, you know, Darren Waller had the highest A dot in football last year.
45:07Aranda Gadsden was number seven. He played a lot like that.
45:10Colson Loveland, by the way, number three. These guys go down the field and make plays down the field.
45:16You know who you're never going to see on that list was Chig Okonkwo or Jonu Smith.
45:21OK, so those two guys are not the doppelganger.
45:24It's really Darren Waller. You mentioned it, how they used them in Miami under Mike McDaniel.
45:28I think that's more likely what you'd want to see from Gadsden.
45:32If they see him in that Waller role where he can stay healthy and play.
45:36I mean, remember, Waller ran like I think he ran like 162 routes last year.
45:41That's it. I mean, he actually returned value because he was so, so good.
45:45He was actually, you know, I think per route he was one of the best.
45:50But nonetheless, I think Gadsden is that more than he is those other two guys that people are comping him to.
45:56So I agree with you a thousand percent. And we had last year at this time, like in the in the in
46:03preseason, it was sort of a throwaway quote. But you had both Greg Roman and Harbaugh both sort of comping Gadsden to like a Mark Andrews.
46:10They made sort of some Mark Andrews comp. So it's like, you know, people see what they want to see with Gadsden.
46:17But a lot of like some of those comps I saw.
46:20I heard somebody sort of make a Ladarius Green where we got like maybe overhead.
46:25Like we've we've missed on guys like this before.
46:28But usually they cost a lot more than tight end 19.
46:31But there has been when these guys hit, they hit in a major way.
46:35So it's opportunity cost, man. That's all it is.
46:38Yep. And just one last again, going back to yards per out run.
46:42I mean, he was right there. If you look at it, it goes Pitts, Bowers, Juwan Johnson, Harold Fannin, Arande Gadsden, Tyler Warren.
46:49That's that's in order. And that's between whatever, you know, one one point seven one to one point six.
46:54Oh, you know, so all the all the guys right around one six, one seven yards per out run.
47:00That's the group. So that's how he performed on a per route basis last year.
47:05Mr. Ronda Gadsden. I mean, he's not being viewed in any way with those guys.
47:09And I think Juwan Johnson's another guy that's kind of like that.
47:13But we're not going to talk about Juwan Johnson right now.
47:16I do. Yeah. What a show. Yeah. Tell me more about this one hour on Juwan Johnson.
47:21Yeah. As a matter of fact, Oscar Delp, I could talk about, get excited about because there's some, you know, some who knows what there.
47:29But I did draft Oscar Delp on my Scott Fishbowl team because, you know, tight end premium.
47:34Why not? You ran pure last year in the Fishbowl.
47:37This year you got to. Yeah. You were like, weren't you like top three for like a lot of the season?
47:43Yeah. Yes. I was basically top 20 the whole season, too.
47:46Like I never like dipped out or I didn't spike really.
47:50I just had a dope team the whole way.
47:52So, yeah, it was a good run. Of course, you don't win the thing because it's impossible.
47:57But I took your guy in the first round.
48:00I took Puka Nakua with like the fourth overall pick who looks pretty good in Fishbowl scoring.
48:05I had the fifth pick overall. I didn't do any homework.
48:09I just like, I'll take something in the middle.
48:11And I was like, oh, four would have been a lot better.
48:15I could have gotten Puka. Anyway. So, what I did want to ask, though, is one of the players that I had
48:21mentioned that I wanted to, you know, lily pad off of Bucky Irving.
48:25I mentioned this on the Dynasty Underground this past week was to Basial Tootin.
48:30I see Basial Tootin as having probably more ceiling than Bucky Irving, probably lower floor.
48:34Although, I don't know. Maybe. I'm not even sure what the floor is with any of these guys.
48:40I mean, it feels like the floor is zero.
48:42I mean, if we take the, you know, 80-20% outcomes, you know, sort of take all the nonsense out, just catastrophic injury and things like that.
48:50Maybe even the floors are the same. I don't really know.
48:53My point is, though, that I think that the upside is all there because, you know, Basial Tootin is explosive.
48:59He's going to be given, I think, the lion's share of the opportunity unless he's bad.
49:04If he's bad, that changes, I think. Right? Obviously.
49:07But I think they're going to try and find out if the dude is good.
49:11What are your thoughts on Basial Tootin heading into this season?
49:15I mean, galaxy brain, it feels a little bit like Chase Brown year two, where we had Zach Moss and then now Zach Moss is Rodriguez.
49:23And it's like, you know, you find reasons to sort of like these big, Moss was a little more well-rounded.
49:29Moss had that running back one run. He was a third-round pick.
49:32So, you know, this is not like shaded Zach Moss.
49:35But we sort of had Chase Brown, who was the unknown upside guy who had like the limited sample size from his rookie year.
49:42And then he just completely exploded. It was a little bit of a Zach Moss at the beginning of the season, but
49:49Chase Brown like last 12 weeks of the year.
49:52But with Basial Tootin, I think that the Rodriguez threat, first of all, we'll see at training camp just how healthy Rodriguez is.
49:59Where it's like, is he fully ramped up? Because he's new to the system.
50:03Basial Tootin is not. And Basial Tootin had a leg up because he was apparently very good at OTAs.
50:09And a lot of the vibes coming out of OTAs were really good for Basial Tootin, whereas Rodriguez misses time.
50:15So it's like, for me, Tootin has a leg up on the backfield competition as it is right now.
50:20And I think if we look at that Liam Cohen running back role, Tootin has a chance to catch more passes than he's being projected for now.
50:28And I think that's the big one there. Can Basial Tootin take a big step forward as a pass catcher with his sort of explosiveness?
50:36So for me, Tootin is in a really, really interesting spot.
50:39You know, this one is tough for me because I've heard a lot of people talking about this Chris Rodriguez as a problem for some other running back.
50:48In this case, it's Basial Tootin. I don't mean to denigrate Chris Rodriguez.
50:52I'm sure he's a wonderful person. And if we're, you know, remember, I don't hate players.
50:56I hate ADPs. Hail to the king. If everybody was saying Chris Rodriguez is a bum and he can't play, I'd be coming to his defense.
51:04But because of the way that they're talking about him, unfortunately, I am in the position to tell you that you're crazy.
51:11Because this is a guy who's played three NFL seasons and has seven, seven targets and has never rushed for more than five yards to carry.
51:19I mean, what are we talking about? His first two years, he had 200 and 100 total yards.
51:24Like last year, he got to 500 yards. And that was like, hey, watch out for Chris Rodriguez.
51:29I don't, I legitimately don't even understand what people are talking about when they say Basial Tootin should be worried about Chris Rodriguez.
51:36Like this is, this is the one thing that I don't even understand.
51:40Because for me, I always say this, there's got to be somebody in the backfield.
51:45Who would you, I don't think there's another backfield.
51:47I'd rather have my young up and coming stud running back in than this one with Chris Rodriguez and LaQuint Allen.
51:54It's like there's nobody there. And yet somehow the, the, the conversation has become lots of competition now.
51:59No, there's not. Am I wrong? I mean, I think there's been some like big bowl cases for Rodriguez, but you nailed it.
52:06It's the pass catching. Like he's been a complete zero in the pass game.
52:10Can Chris Rodriguez get there with a bunch of rushing touchdowns this year and go like full on, like LeGarrette Blunt, New England while random season.
52:18I don't think so either. I mean, he sort of is what he is.
52:22And the, the Washington commanders, like beat reporters, they liked him.
52:26He was certainly trending up for a time. And we can make an argument that maybe the Ja'Cory Kroski merit production from
52:32like the very end of the season. Maybe if that went with Rodriguez, you'd have a little bit more of a sample size of what he could do.
52:41But I'm with you. I've been like completely dismissive of this situation for better or for worse.
52:46If anything, it's creating a value for, for Basial Tootin.
52:49Now, I don't think Basial Tootin is perfect, but I think we talk, we talk about just like Chase Brown isn't perfect.
52:55Like if we're trying to name our top 10 most talented running backs in the NFL, as much as we like Chase
53:02Brown a lot, neither one of us would probably say that's one of the most tentative.
53:07But he's in Cincinnati with a, with a, with a very good quarterback next to him who's willing to check down to running backs.
53:14And he's explosive. And he's explosive. And that's all it takes is Basial Tootin.
53:18Do I think the volume will be the same as Travis Etienne last year?
53:22No. But I do think he'll get the, the high value touches on, on receptions.
53:27I think he can, I don't think Rodriguez getting the goal line work is some given either.
53:32I think Tootin can earn that role too. Yeah.
53:35So you could have Rodriguez could be a sort of like a, you know, a low calorie touches between the twenties guy to sort of relieve Tootin.
53:43I think that's what he is. But Tootin could end up being the one who cooks with the, you know.
53:49And like I said, there's the, I just said it.
53:52There's no guarantee that Tootin's any good, right? Like, like he could just be not good, like not good enough to be that.
53:59That's, that's, that's the fear. It isn't Chris Rodriguez.
54:01Because this is my point. If, if Basial Tootin is any good, like if he's good, then Chris Rodriguez doesn't matter.
54:08The only reason that Chris Rodriguez, Chris Rodriguez has a Basial Tootin problem.
54:12And if he sucks, then Chris Rodriguez might be something because they'll need somebody to be good at this.
54:17We do know that Basial Tootin made some splash plays and some wow plays last year where it was like, hmm, well, that looks pretty good.
54:25Yeah. Right. We saw that, but we don't know on a down to down basis, whether or not he's capable of being a pro.
54:32That's what we don't know. That's what I would, that's the only riddle that if you just tell me that, then I already know.
54:40So, you know, so this is, this is the way I see this very clearly.
54:44Yeah. It's, I mean, there's been some people sort of critical of like, does Tootin have the vision?
54:50Like again, maybe he doesn't, but again, a lot of guys from year one to year two do take big leaps.
54:56We saw it at the running back position with, with many guys.
55:00And I think Jacksonville, like Tootin really survived the off season where we thought maybe they'd bring in an, I mean, ATN could have returned.
55:07They could have signed a guy who was more well-rounded than Rodriguez.
55:11So Tootin dodged. Yeah. And the Jadarian price rumors where we thought Jacksonville maybe would be the team to get price.
55:17It's anything but that. Or any other rookie back too.
55:20They didn't bring in. There's no Jonah Coleman there.
55:23No. And you mentioned the Chase Brown. I had sent a tweet that, you know, we talked about Rashad White was another
55:29one who did the same thing after one year.
55:32James Cook. That's a great call. Nobody remembers that James Cook.
55:35I was anti-James Cook. I was like, James Cook, little guy can't, you know, he's a, he never did anything at Georgia.
55:42How's he going to be wrong? Ramondre Stevenson kind of did this after year one.
55:46Isaiah Pacheco kind of did this after year one where we weren't sure.
55:50He was a sixth round pick. You know, and then all of a sudden he's the lead back.
55:56We've seen this type of thing happen before. And not all of those backs, especially a couple of them, Rashad White, James
56:02Cook was flawed in his own way. Although some people really liked him.
56:06They were right. But Pacheco and Rashad were the two were like, eh, they're not very nuanced.
56:11That's why they were later around. But it didn't matter.
56:14They still got on the field and made plays.
56:17So I do think that that's what I'm seeing here with Basel is, look, he's got to be really bad to fail
56:24here because he's going to be given a lot of opportunity in my opinion.
56:28Yeah. And I think the offense is going to print.
56:31I think we sort of believe in that offense being able to.
56:35They were last year. I think, could they take a step forward or at least maintain what they did last year?
56:41I mean, multiple Jaguars could be good fantasy assets this year.
56:44But I think it begins and ends with Tootin.
56:47They're going to try to get a lot out of him.
56:50Here's my I'll leave you with this on the Tootin situation.
56:53If Tootin were to play the sort of Travion Henderson role for Jacksonville and Chris Rodriguez were to play the Ramondre Stevenson role in Jacksonville from last year.
57:02Right. That's pretty good. No, not at all. Right.
57:05That's pretty good in that offense. I really do.
57:07I think that that's enough for Basel Tootin to be RB 20 to 25, just like Travion was last year.
57:13And I think that's kind of the floor usage.
57:16The sort of, you know, I don't think it's going to be way worse than that again, unless Basel either injures himself
57:23or he's terrible and we didn't see that coming.
57:25But I think that that's kind of like, I mean, you would not love that as a Basel drafter, but you'd take it, so to speak.
57:33And I think there's room for more like sort of what we think Travion can be this year and what we think that that New England backfield.
57:41Yeah, it would be it would be Mondray without the pass catching.
57:45Of course. Yeah. That's right. Yeah. So, yeah, not a bad run out for a Henderson type.
57:50Right. Exactly. Exactly. And where you're getting them. Let's let's finish on this.
57:54Just just I want to ask comparing, you know, right now, whether we even compare Basel to him, but R.J.
58:00Harvey. Yeesh, I, you know, me, man, all last season before the draft, I was an R.J.
58:05Harvey fan, loved R.J. Harvey. Think he's, you know, was grossly undervalued heading into the process.
58:10I think it overvalued. He got picked in the second round.
58:13Um, I thought that caught me off guard in the in the in the NFL draft.
58:18And then he was going in the first round of our rookie drafts.
58:22That was ahead of where I had him. So now he you know, I felt like I was way ahead of consensus pre NFL draft, pre rookie draft.
58:30And then all that happens. And I'm behind. I've been behind consensus on R.J.
58:34Harvey this whole time. And I find myself there yet again.
58:38He's an older prospect. I think he's gonna be like 26.
58:41He's just a couple of months younger than Javante Williams, for fuck's sakes.
58:45Um, and we're talking about a player who has now a couple of bodies to deal with.
58:50And one of them, J.K. Dobbins, we're sure is awesome.
58:53We're not sure he's healthy, but we know for a fact he's dope.
58:57And then another one who looks very durable, who doesn't look like he's going to get hurt.
59:02Dude is going to talk about a scatterbow comp.
59:05This is a big dude. Uh, Jonah Coleman, who also might just as straight up be better than R.J.
59:11Harvey as an NFL running back. Yet R.J. Harvey still in the top 30, even in best ball and in the top 25 ish in dynasty running backs.
59:19Miss me with all of this stuff. Theo, what about you?
59:22I mean, this is a situation where the markets pushed him down about as much as they can, considering he had 12 touchdowns as a rookie.
59:30And people are, people are going to pay for counting stats no matter what.
59:34Um, but yeah, I mean, the pressure's on. It's not just that they got Jonah Coleman.
59:39It's that they were considered to be one of the main Kenneth Walker destinations.
59:43Denver certainly was in the mix for David Montgomery.
59:46Uh, and then they end up with Coleman. So I think they, Coleman's going to have a real opportunity.
59:52Coleman's really one of the, almost like one of the skeleton key players to watch out for in NFL training camp, because
59:58you could just see a situation where he's a buzz guy that gains ADP value in read raft.
60:04And could he just straight up overtake R.J. Harvey?
60:06Like Jonah Coleman was a good prospect, not jumps off the page athletically type guy, but it's that combination of size, the
60:13ability to sustain volume and the ability to be an opportunistic pass catcher out of the backfield.
60:18Like he looks good catching the football. Um, and I think the Denver coaching staff likes him.
60:23So R.J. Harvey, the best bet is that he figures out like a role where he's like the pass catching specialist back in this backfield.
60:31Um, and, but I think it's going to be J.K.
60:34Dobbins from the start. And I think there's a chance Jonah Coleman can overtake everybody by the end of the season.
60:40But I think Jonah Coleman versus R.J. Harvey is one we need to watch out for in the preseason.
60:46Like how much loyalty do they have to Harvey?
60:49How much do they like, like Harvey internally? They have a new offensive coordinator in Denver as well, which is another X factor.
60:55Um, but it's the, the, the vibes are not great at all when it comes to Harvey.
61:01And you mentioned the age thing where like it's, it's not, none of it's great.
61:05None of it's great. Um, it's almost like we talked about like the beginning of the show, like the market is, is
61:12being, is being pessimistic, but I think there might be a little bit more room to run.
61:17I think he could fall a little bit more.
61:19Look, if he was a second round pick from last year and he was turning like 23, he was like 22 right now.
61:26Yep. I'd be like, give him some time. Like, you know, obviously they brought in a veteran.
61:32I think he's better than Jonah Coleman. Yada. Yeah.
61:34Also undersized. Let's add that to the frigging pot.
61:37And to quote the great Chris rock, a man you mentioned loyalty, a man is only as loyal as his options.
61:43Remember it, you know? So, um, you know, just saying they're, they're going to be loyal to whomever is healthy and playing well.
61:50If Jonah Coleman is just straight up better than they're just going to play them over RJ Harvey.
61:56That's how this works. This isn't like one of those things where like, well, we golly, I really like RJ Harvey's mom.
62:02We should just, you know, that's not how this shit works.
62:05Um, you know, so they drafted him with a second round capital cause they thought he was probably a little bit more special than he is.
62:13I, I wouldn't have even done that. And I was like the RJ Harvey hype train guy over here.
62:19So yeah, I think that they probably are like whoopsie daisy more than anything.
62:23And when have we ever seen 12 touchdowns, not repeat itself that that's, that's in the bag this year.
62:29Just put that in the fucking cart cart because that's happening.
62:32Right. I mean, there's no way he doesn't get to 12 touchdowns.
62:36Am I right? I mean, yeah, it's, it's a, it's a tough putt, tough putt for you.
62:41I mean, what are we talking about? Like, like touchdowns receiving touchdowns from a running back.
62:46We're going to, that's what we're banking on. Like, look, the, the fantasy points here in this situation is not something I'm looking at.
62:53I'm looking at what is the, the reasonable amount of usage he will get.
62:57If everybody's healthy Dobbins is that you hear Dobbins.
63:00He's like, I'm going to be the RB one, all the league.
63:03Like, yeah. I mean, and that's where Dobbins started last year.
63:07And I think that's what Dobbins will start out with.
63:10I mean, it's just a matter of how much can Dobbins hold up, but I think it's really a training camp.
63:16If we start the vibes on Jonah Coleman could be excellent in training camp.
63:20And I think that would be really bad news for Harvey.
63:24Yep. Okay. All right, buddy. Well, I, I told you, I'd keep you to a tidy hour.
63:29I've got a lot to do. I've got to go, um, you know, finish off my, um, my, uh, mid state fair, um, sweat.
63:36You know, I, I basically was out until like 12 last night, 12 midnight.
63:40I'm old now, you know, riding like rickety, very dangerous, uh, you know, mid state fair carnival rides with my kids.
63:46Got to get to the chiro, get to the chiropractor.
63:49But I took four, uh, ibuprofen last night before I went to bed.
63:53I was like, this is not, this is not right.
63:56So yeah, I was in a lot of, a lot of damage.
64:00Speaking of damage, tell everybody the damage you're doing to the fantasy space over at, uh, over at your new home.
64:06Tell us everybody where they can find your stuff.
64:09Cause many of my listeners are definitely fans of yours for sure.
64:13They want to know where they can find all of your new work.
64:17So please share. No, I really appreciate that. So it's Roto wire fantasy football podcast with Theo Gremminger.
64:22You can find that anywhere you get your pods, uh, Roto wire, YouTube, all my stuff is going up on Roto wire, YouTube.
64:29That's been like a, something we've really grown really quickly, like immediately out of the jump.
64:34Um, and then all of my dynasty stuff is going to be up at rotowire.com, including my dynasty rankings, all my redraft rankings, all my articles.
64:41Uh, we've got some dynasty rankings. Those are coming very soon.
64:45You can get access to a rotowire.com subscription. The code Theo 20 gets you 20% off.
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64:54Um, so yeah, man, really appreciate it. And also look for, for Mr.
64:58Mr. Jax Falcone over here coming on my show on Roto wire YouTube sometime in August.
65:03Absolutely. Yeah. I can't wait. Uh, you make the call.
65:06I'm there. Uh, thank you so much, Theo. Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy, to a harder, harder working person.
65:12And I love you, brother. I love you. You're the man.
65:15Thank you so much. And on behalf of everybody here at the undrafted, on behalf of everybody here at OTC, on behalf
65:22of the greatest podcast producer to ever walk the earth, Mr.
65:25Michael P. Duncan, shout out to Smitty. You have been joined by the great and prolific Theo Gremminger.
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