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1:49Dynasty Underground is back and we missed you. I am Trav Hostin and Wes Koston.
1:54And wouldn't you know it, we got Jax Falcone, of course, and Jax, we will get to you, sir.
2:00But Joe is in the motherland picking olives, might be practicing some Greco wrestling with some dudes on the beach.
2:07We don't we don't know what he's doing out there, but we have our first guest.
2:12Yeah, it's not practice for him. Yeah, that's old hat.
2:15That's old hat. We have our first guest, Jax.
2:18And I almost like, yes, that's what I'm thinking, right?
2:21I almost don't know if I consider him a guest, because if you have entered the OTC ecosystem, you know who this man is and you love him.
2:30We got Curtie joining the show in place of Jax and we couldn't be more stoked about it.
2:35Curtie, how are you doing? Welcome to the underground.
2:38Thank you for that intro. And I am doing fabulous on this evening here to record with both of you looking forward to the show.
2:46And I really hope Joe is enjoying himself on his vacation like he deserves it.
2:51And I think in his honor, there's some merch coming up for is there ever is there ever.
2:57Hey, I just wanted to do the Conor McGregor, not the thing where he breaks his knee.
3:02Oh, but the one where he goes, the fuck is this guy?
3:06You know what I mean? When Curtie comes on, you know, it's like got people just like, you know, they don't know him yet.
3:14They're like, who the fuck is this guy? Yeah.
3:16But this guy's O.G. Curtie. He's the man. Absolutely love him.
3:20Doing some awesome stuff for us at OTC and just doing some awesome stuff for himself, you know, just.
3:26And for the listeners, he's got a cool little following starting.
3:30And yeah, he's just more of our community ambassador and does some live streams and got a show coming out and just an all around awesome guy.
3:38I can tell you firsthand we met by doing a pro am together.
3:42That's how I met Curtie. He was donating to a charity and all that sort of awesome stuff that made him an awesome guy.
3:50But I drafted alongside of him and we got unlucky, Curtie, in that league.
3:54We got unlucky. But your process was sound. And I remember when we would discuss process, that was when I was most impressed.
4:02Obviously, you know, the picks can go south in any redraft that you ever do.
4:06But I remember thinking this guy really knows what he's doing in way of process.
4:11And that's what wins over time. So Curtie is a winning player for those reasons.
4:16Yeah. Yeah. And that's why we're stoked that he is a part of the fabric of OTC fantasy.
4:22And Curtie, yes, you mentioned it. Actually, we've got some new merch designs out and I'm excited to share with the people.
4:29Yeah, we just kind of had like we want to start doing some more regular merch drops to have some stuff that kind of is signature OTC.
4:37And I think we've done that with this merch drop.
4:40Shout out to Duke's for most of the designs.
4:43He does all of that work and he is top notch at it.
4:47And we've got some new collections out there. So you'll see we've got the OTC classics.
4:53Curtie's got one of the hats on right now if you're watching on YouTube.
4:57And then we've got a couple new collections. So you, if you listen to underground, you know about the pineapple bit with
5:04Joe and his foray to Vegas, almost getting caught on the wrong side of a little swinger situation.
5:10That now can be memorialized in merch. So you'll see the pineapple swingers collection on the shots.
5:15Yes, you'll also see the Barry McLaughlin section. So Duke's designed a little mascot for us.
5:20He's got a foot. He's like a little football player with the old time helmet and the clock face.
5:26We have dubbed him Barry McLaughlin. So you can find the Barry McLaughlin collection.
5:31We've got some accessories on there, too. So go check it out.
5:34We're running a giveaway. The details can be found on our social media platforms.
5:39So go check it out there and whichever platform you're following us on.
5:43Follow those steps and you'll be entered in a draw to win.
5:47By the way, the the the hat with the upside down word pineapple.
5:51It's sort of a black with the gray hat and the black lettering upside down word pineapple is a dope looking hat.
5:58And I will be buying that, of course. And I'll be wearing it on the show.
6:03And I would just say that I think a lot of y'all will would want this hat and want to wear this hat.
6:10And I think the best thing about this hat for sure is that there's only two people that could recognize anything about this hat.
6:18There's all two types of people. One would be someone who knows the show.
6:22And that would be amazing if somehow or another you were wearing this upside down pineapple word hat out in the world.
6:29And someone was like, yo, Kuva Takis or something, you know, drop the fucking joke wave on your ass.
6:36That would be amazing. The only other person would be an interesting foray into some sort of evening of romance with another couple.
6:43So I think either way, it's win win. Yeah, for sure.
6:46There's a couple of limited time items on there as well.
6:50And that draw that I mentioned for what you're getting with that actually is you're getting 20% off of an order over $100.
6:57But not only that, you're getting a free year subscription to OTCFFB.com, which is $100 value.
7:02So really cool little thing we got going on.
7:05We wanted to kind of bring some attention to the fun merch that we've got.
7:10And of course, get some more people checking out the site.
7:13So check out our socials. You can find all the details there.
7:17But we got to get into it, boys. We got Curtie on to talk about some banger fantasy takes.
7:23And that's just what we're going to do tonight.
7:26We're going to be talking about storylines to monitor through training camp, fellas.
7:30So kind of an important time of dynasty season because this is where we're kind of seeing how those long shots that
7:37we've been calling are coming through the debris of their depth charts.
7:41We're looking at some of those injured vets who might be coming back from injury, who maybe have had some additions to that team at their position group.
7:50So we're going to talk about a bunch of that stuff tonight, guys.
7:54And I'm excited to get into it with you guys really quick.
7:58I just want to mention some dates here. Rookies do report to training camp.
8:02So I think it's important to kind of get it out as far as timeline.
8:07This show should be out about the 16th or 17th.
8:10So rookies report on the 17th. I think that's the earliest date they can report.
8:15Not every team's rookies report that day. And then veterans generally report July 24th and 28th or between that range.
8:21Right around the corner, guys, on August 6th, about three weeks away is when the preseason begins with the Hall of Fame game.
8:29So it is heating up for us here, guys.
8:32And I think it's important for us to dig into the weeds of some of these NFL teams.
8:37But I wanted to start with kind of an overall conversation about what our listeners should do as they go into training camp.
8:45And we're hearing all of this news, all of this hype.
8:48We've got these players that we like. Maybe the heartstrings are being tugged a little bit.
8:53But, Critty, why don't we start with you as our not so guest?
8:57Are there any rules that you would tell the listeners to follow as far as what to do with this training camp hype?
9:05Maybe acting on it or not acting on it and how you maybe approach that stuff every offseason?
9:10That's a really good question. And I think it just boils down to how you want a dynasty.
9:16Jack's alluded to it in the beginning of the show, talking about process and process.
9:21So if you play by process, it's my process to not overreact to training camp hype.
9:26In fact, it's quite the opposite. Like, I don't know, Carnell Tate makes a one handed catch over the middle and everyone's
9:33like, oh, my gosh, he's the best wide receiver ever.
9:36Like, put him on the block. Send out some trades using the OTC app.
9:41You know, I would not be buying unless it just depends on the news.
9:45But don't overreact. Stay in your seats. Real football with actual pads, not shorts on gets played in September.
9:51So do what's best for your roster before. I can't I can't help but think of the I almost said Calvin Ridley,
9:58which is would have been the same thing. But Calvin Ridley, Calvin Ridley, same same difference.
10:03There's no different. But Calvin Ridley from last year when he was running some routes and stuff and was like doing all
10:10the routes in, you know, in shorts. And someone was like, kids got to eat this year.
10:16I'm like that there. He may or may not.
10:18He certainly didn't. But that was not a signification of him going to be good or not.
10:24This is the worst possible thing that you can take action on in terms of buying that hype.
10:30If you want to sell on that hype, that was an unbelievable sell window for Calvin Ridley when he did absolutely nothing
10:37of meaning whatsoever, except somehow his clip of running a little slant got put on the Internet and people jerked off to it.
10:44That was like literally how crazy it is that that's what took, you know, the Calvin Ridley bump up and it makes no sense.
10:51So look out for those opportunities in Dynasty. I would say you should be selling on every last single one of them.
10:58So, yeah, for me, obviously don't buy on that type of hype.
11:02The type of hype that I do think is important and we're going to get to some of it today.
11:09I know you probably later in the show, Trav, but is the type of drumbeat stuff.
11:14The Pukenakua drumbeat was obvious. I mean, you know, I didn't even draft a bunch of Pukenakua his rookie year.
11:20I did some, but it was the drumbeat. I was like, wait a second.
11:25This is something here that you almost want to see the water boiling.
11:29You don't want to see it, you know, right?
11:32This is what you're looking for. Oh, are those bubbles?
11:35You know, you want to hear it slowly start to roll forward and oh, Coach X said this and all of a
11:42sudden he's playing in some two wide receiver sets.
11:45And that's the type of thing that you can start to glean and take action on.
11:50We're not there yet, but when we start to see that, that's what I'm paying attention to.
11:55Mm hmm. And I think the difference between that, Jax, is the drumbeat is often often coming from within the organization, whereas
12:02the hype train is often coming from outside. Right.
12:05So some guy took his phone out on the sideline and took a video of receiver X making a one hand to
12:12grab when his quarterback threw a 50% floater to him.
12:15And that's what everybody gets hyped about. But what you got to do is and the drumbeat, you kind of follow it
12:22a little bit more than kind of act on it right away.
12:26Right. You kind of follow how it's tracking before it starts to ascend is when you really act on it.
12:32But probably like the first couple of weeks of training camp isn't the time to do that necessarily unless signs through the
12:39offseason have been leading that drumbeat up. But I think it's an interesting time for that, because, yeah, if I'm doing anything,
12:46I'm mostly selling some of these veteran players because often that drumbeat is on the young guys.
12:52Right. Jax, you mentioned Puka Nakua when he was younger.
12:55It's usually on the young guys coming up and clearing some of that depth chart debris.
13:00So I think it's good. I'll give you this.
13:03I'll give you this. Trav, like, you know, you think about just any rookie class ever.
13:08You think about where you have them ranked and what or even the ADP.
13:12You don't even have to talk about rankings. Just talk about either your rankings or ADP.
13:17The moment that you did your rookie draft, freeze it in time.
13:21And then at the very start of the season before a game is played, they're different.
13:26And then if you take that and just fast forward literally one week after one week's games, it's all different again.
13:33And if you fast forward to the end of the season, it's different again.
13:37So the point of the matter is, is that even if you're right, you're wrong because it's going to be changing and
13:44there's going to be things that happen. The key that I think there is I just want to be ahead of it
13:51a little bit like, you know, I want to trade on yesterday's values and win on tomorrow's values.
13:57Right. That's really the way I'm trying to think of it.
14:01Like, I've got a bunch of players we'll talk about, but like, I'll give an example so the listener can understand it.
14:08I'll steal from myself. Carson Beck, Carson Beck. I drafted him a couple times in like the early second of dynasty rookie
14:15drafts and it felt it felt expensive. And I was like, oh, maybe I'll back off.
14:20And I backed off and I missed him a few times, even in the third.
14:24So sometimes I draft him a second. I missed him in the third.
14:29I wasn't really sure where to place Carson Beck's value.
14:32Well, it ended up being what third round mid late third round for the most part, even right.
14:38Seld him in the second round. I think that's wrong.
14:41I think he's more valuable than that. And I'm not sure.
14:44I think the value is actually gone there a little bit now.
14:48It may be harder to get them in some situations.
14:51I'm not suggesting that Carson Beck is going to be some world beater.
14:55I'm just suggesting that his value is sort of correcting itself.
14:59And I'd rather sell or sort of transact on the old value and reap the reward of the new value of a player like that.
15:07Yeah. The context of Carson Beck to falls within this rookie class, like a normal rookie class.
15:12I don't think you want to take the quarterback taken in the third round where you're you've been taking them just because.
15:19What else are you going to take there? Yeah, that's that's the other thing that plays into it for Carson back to.
15:26Yes. Yeah, for sure. The cost is really nice on Carson Beck and we will definitely get their boys.
15:32I think that's pretty good rap though as far as not reacting too much to the hype follow that drum beat, but
15:39only when it's from inside the organization. And for those kind of veteran guys when we're hearing things, we're probably looking to
15:46sell off of hype as opposed to buy off of hype more than anything.
15:51So that's a good rap boys. I think the first kind of I was ambitious on this show sheet boys.
15:57I have been on Dynasty Underground before, but I put like four different little segments.
16:02So we'll see where we get here. We're going to talk about some quarterback competitions.
16:07And the reason why I wanted to start with this guys is because I think it flows nicely into conversations about some of these other guys.
16:15Right. Because the quarterback is so impactful, easy for me to talk tonight.
16:19Hey, Jacks, but been two weeks off, man, been two weeks off.
16:23It's been used very well for all of the OTC stuff that we've been doing in the back end.
16:29But maybe we're a little rusty on the host, Mike, but we'll go.
16:33Don't worry. I got you. I'm firing on all cylinders.
16:36These quarterbacks. As you know, I was listening to Method Man right before I came on.
16:41You were. Yeah, you were. Yeah. M-E-T-H-O-D. I'm ready.
16:44Man. Yeah. Lots to talk about here with the quarterback.
16:47So we're going to get into it. We're it's going alphabetical today, boys.
16:51And we're going to start with the Atlanta Falcons.
16:54So obviously we know that they brought in Tua.
16:57Tug of Iloa, of course. Michael Penix has been rehabbing an injury, but looks like he's getting in the area of being ready to go for that competition.
17:06So, Kurti, what do you think about the Tua Penix conversation?
17:09Do you have a lean or any of these guys who you like to roster?
17:14Tua Penix conversation. Tua Penix is I. This one's been fun because one, they're both left handed, which I think is hilarious.
17:21And to like Kevin's the fancy coming in. I liked him as a play caller.
17:26I think he did really well with Cleveland. Like he took Cleveland rounds to the playoffs, one coach of the year twice
17:33and never really had much to work with. So now he's got B.
17:37John, London, pits. We'll see who if John Dotson or Zachariah branch, maybe a lot of days.
17:43A key is a key is a key is easy for me to say, but I think Tua is going to win the starting job.
17:51I think Kevin Stefanski likes to play a little more under center and Penix was pretty much strictly from the shotgun from what I recall last year.
17:59And I think that opens up more play action, more options to get those weapons involved.
18:04If it's Penix, it's fine for those London shares that we have because he just hyper targets him.
18:10He's he did that last year. And I hope he could just stay healthy if it's him.
18:15Poor guy's gone through more ACLs and I can count.
18:18So, yeah, I think if you're if you're looking, I if I'm handicapping the the Penix to a situation, I'm probably just splitting it.
18:26I would I would just say they're probably going to each start eight games or something, you know, but that probably is.
18:33Probably won't be the way that it ends up.
18:36So you could win on the bet with one of them somehow, you know, I think Penix is the one that they'd rather see the awesome.
18:44Like if they could pick, you know, a guy that they want to succeed, it would be Penix.
18:50So I think that might lead them in that direction, especially if and or when, you know, to a struggles or God bless him if he gets hurt.
18:59I really hope he doesn't have another concussion. But, you know, but it certainly is in the cards, potentially.
19:05I think, you know, two is probably better for efficiency.
19:08Penix is better for that downfield play of London and in pits.
19:12And, you know, it's splitting hairs there at that point.
19:15Obviously, B. John's an absolute monster. So I really don't think there's a huge difference.
19:20I think maybe a little bit more volume with two, a little bit more, you know, downfield stuff with Penix.
19:26And other than that, maybe one of them will actually take a step forward in the system, as you know, Curdy points
19:33out that, you know, they're going to get the best coaching maybe they've ever had.
19:38You know, two ahead, had Mike McDaniel as an offensive coordinator.
19:41Probably ridiculous. You know, we'll see. He was but he was successful in that offense, too.
19:47So I think, you know, you know, look at two at one point was pretty efficient, even though he's not a tremendous,
19:54you know, producer when it comes to, you know, seeing the field and all that sort of stuff.
19:59He's he's a little bit kind of locked in player.
20:02But so what? They're only thrown at two guys.
20:05So I think I'd rather Penix and I think I'd probably bet on Penix.
20:10I think Penix being the guy who's not starting right now probably is cheaper than two right now.
20:15Is that is that true? I would say, wouldn't you guys think?
20:19I think I was actually looking at ADP on the site in a draft I was in recently, and I think they're only a few picks apart.
20:28Yeah, they're close. Yeah, I think that's I think that's right.
20:31But I think if you gave me a quarterback to just have, I'd probably just take Penix just because I hope I'm
20:38not relying on either one of them right now.
20:41And I'd rather see long term upside potential with with Penix over to it, although both of them are probably pretty bad bets.
20:49Yeah, hopefully that's your emergency third quarterback, not QB two.
20:52Yeah, definitely. Definitely. You are. If that's your QB two, you are trying to retool that position for sure.
20:58Hopefully one of those guys can stay healthy enough to be a stopgap.
21:02And I would probably lean a little bit for them.
21:05Both maybe. Yeah, that's I think that's probably the move to write Jacks with both of their injury history.
21:11Like it's funny in separate conversations. Kurt, you mentioned I really hope panics doesn't get injured again.
21:17He's been through more ACLs and Jacks than you.
21:19I hope to it doesn't get like do these guys even have one full quarterback?
21:24Like I think that's the scary part about this team and attaching to this offense.
21:29But I think I got my panics. Yeah, and to a tug on my panic.
21:34Put them together. They sound pretty good, don't they?
21:37Yeah, I think panics might just have a longer leash because the organization the organization wants to get a lot out of
21:44him right because he was that first round pick.
21:46But who knows what's the fancy does? I think it's almost similar to the the Vegas situation where Kirk Cousins is going
21:53to be that stopgap for Mendoza, even though panics isn't a rookie.
21:57So kind of similar trajectories for me. You know what I mean?
22:01Yeah, I do. Okay, you talk you spoke about one nookie back or if he's not so good.
22:07He could end up being crazy eyes back whichever Steve Buscemi character you prefer, but it's getting dicey as far as Jacoby Brissett being the starter in Arizona.
22:16He's holding out for starter money right now. They are staying strong in that.
22:20Why would we pay you a bunch of money when we're probably going to win four games anyway and still be trying
22:27to get that first round quarterback and get rid of you after this season?
22:32So I think it's an interesting little spot there in I don't know where the compromise happens or when it happens, but
22:39time is ticking for him to come in there.
22:41And these other guys nookie back as well. This is Carson back by the way.
22:46Just if anybody doesn't understand why I'm calling him not by his name.
22:50It's a bit we have. There's also Gardner the Hardener and I wouldn't put it past him to have that kind of
22:57veteran deference if Carson back isn't acclimating to be the guy that's right behind who they hope is Jacoby Brissett.
23:04So, Jax, why don't you make sense of the Arizona kind of quarterback situation what you think is going to happen and
23:11then kick it right on to Kurti about it.
23:14Yeah, I will starting with Brissett he he's only got like a million and a half guaranteed.
23:19So I mean he's like, what the fuck am I doing?
23:22You know what I mean? Like, am I playing for a contract?
23:26I thought I did that last year. You know, can I have a little fucking contract please?
23:32You know, so I don't think he's even asking for an extension.
23:35I think he's just asking to be guaranteed a little bit more money so he can, you know, take care of his family.
23:43And, you know, I like I get this. This is not a ton of money.
23:48A million and a half guaranteed is not a not a lot.
23:51So if he gets hurt week one, it's it's just it's rough.
23:55So I think he's looking for a little bit of starter security.
23:59Look, if you're a backup, you're less likely to get hurt.
24:02So it's hard to sort of negotiate. But when you're when you're going out there on the line of fire, it's like,
24:09look, I can just not play and get the one and a half.
24:14You know what I mean? So I see it from his perspective, and I do think they'll get something done.
24:20I think it's probably because they've got plenty of cap room, and I think they'd rather him be the starter.
24:26I think that's their plan. They just didn't really want to have to pay him.
24:31And to your point, Trav, why would they? But I do think they'll probably even if it's a small amount, you know,
24:38guarantee him five million or you know, at least it's something right.
24:42All that to say that I do think this all all spells.
24:46Carson Beck is going to get opportunities. The four wins thing you said the holdout the fact that it's like, could we just turn to?
24:54You know, look at journeyman at this point, although my favorite journeyman maybe of all time Gardner Minshew.
24:59But, you know, I have to be realistic about who he is.
25:03So, you know, look, Carson Beck, pretty good little prospect if you take away the ugly face.
25:09Right. He certainly got lots and lots of starts.
25:11And I think that Jacoby Brissett thing. We talk fantasy, right?
25:15I have no idea what that does for that locker room or the personnel, the coaches, the players, the players, the continuity
25:22if they're just like, yeah, Jacoby, like we're not going to pay you.
25:26Like, what's the motivation there? So I hope that they come to terms with Jacoby Brissett seems like really nice guy, very professional about it.
25:34And I think that'd be better for the Arizona other assets speaking fantasy terms.
25:39Yeah. Bride, Jeremiah Love, Marv, Michael Wilson, you name it.
25:42We saw what it looked like last year. To your point, Curtie, right?
25:46It is better for the weapons. So we do want to see Brissett get his bag, right?
25:51Yeah. I think a range of outcomes for fantasy.
25:54We want Brissett to be the starter for as long as possible.
25:58Turn it over to Carson Beck and see what the kids got.
26:02I hope he succeeds. Like, man, he stuck it out through college, made that championship game, kind of, you know, shit the bed a little bit.
26:10But, you know, he's got an opportunity. So get some starts, see what you got in them.
26:15And then if you really are a four win team, go take the next best quarterback in this, you know, class.
26:22I wonder if this is something where, you know, these Arizona weapons are sort of sell early in the season type bets.
26:29I mean, could they see like less production in the second half because the quarterback play is no longer Brissett or something?
26:36I don't. I'm just sort of galaxy braining here a little bit.
26:40But as you were talking, I was sort of thinking and like, is that how it's going to go?
26:46Is it going to be Brissett? They do the same thing they did last year.
26:51They're going to throw it all over the place because they're losing by a ton because they're terrible.
26:56They're going to lose again. But, you know, there's going to be a lot of offensive sort of, you know, counting stat, you know, fantasy numbers.
27:05And then they're going to be like, well, what are we doing even with Brissett putting back and maybe he's not as prolific.
27:12That would certainly be a good bet to bet that he would be less prolific than Brissett as a rookie.
27:18Right. We don't typically, you know, Cam Ward, name a name, a rookie that came out.
27:23They're generally not prolific, even if they're solid. You know, Drake may wasn't prolific in your right.
27:29You know, so I would say betting against that is probably a pretty good bet making me scared of some of these Marv bags I'm holding here.
27:37You know what? I don't think you should. Sorry.
27:40Sorry, I don't think you should be actually because I think what that almost creates another another buy window like Marv had
27:47a bit of a buy window this offseason. With Michael Wilson.
27:51Yeah, I think it's another buy window because if we look at them winning those four games or three games, they're going
27:58to be getting a top young quarterback next season.
28:01Fair enough. In a good quarterback draft. Right. So I think we're going to see, you know, maybe little ebbs and flows
28:08of what we're doing with those assets. But I think I don't know, maybe maybe it'll be crazy to be betting on Marv again next year, too.
28:16Right. Who knows after what happens this year? So I will say I don't know if I've had the take yet, but I am betting on Marvin Harrison.
28:25Junior at value. I feel like I'm drafting him everywhere.
28:28Best ball, you know, redraft. You know, I like him in dynasty a ton.
28:33I just think his valuation is off. I think it's a little light.
28:37I don't think he's necessarily going to return the value that we once thought from the from his rookie draft.
28:43But I do think he's better than what we're thinking he is now.
28:47And yeah, I mean, Michael Wilson did not. If you look at the on off splits, Michael Wilson with and without Marvin
28:54Harrison, Jr., they're ugly for Michael Wilson with Marvin Harrison on the field.
28:58So I do think that that's a little bit scary for Michael Wilson and probably spell something.
29:04Look, it only makes sense. Like, you know, Michael Wilson or Marvin Harrison, Jr., who's probably going to get a little bit
29:11more, you know, deference to use a term. Right.
29:14I think it's probably Mr. Marvin Harrison, Jr. So where do you sit on those?
29:19And he's likely better than him, too. Right. Yeah, definitely.
29:22Curdy, what where are you sitting on the Wilson versus Marv?
29:25Like I see the case to like both of them, too.
29:29Like maybe maybe Marv's the one and in garbage time, Michael Wilson's getting a bunch of stuff.
29:34I've been fading Michael Wilson because I'm kind of scared of that little career arc that he could be on.
29:40You know what I mean? Like the downside career arc of him.
29:44But where are you sitting, Curdy? Yeah. Michael Wilson and dynasty is someone that I didn't have a whole heck of a lot of.
29:52But when I did last year, I sold on this offseason.
29:55So like in context plays and everything, if you're rebuilding, whatnot, I traded Michael Wilson and got back Travis Hunter in a twenty seven third.
30:03Just because I don't think Wilson could sustain that, which I'll probably be wrong.
30:08But but take the upswing upside swing on Hunter.
30:11I definitely prefer Marv over Michael Wilson and dynasty.
30:14Just the deference of the name, the draft capital and the stats.
30:17Like Jack said, when they're both on the field, Marv is the one getting scoring fantasy points.
30:23Yeah, 100 percent. I think boils down to we do want to see Jacoby Brissett back.
30:28And everything that I was reading actually says that like the fan base does want him to come back.
30:34So I love that point that you made about the locker room, Curdy, because when these guys want that quarterback there and
30:41they see that their organization is not feeling that as well when his salary is disrespectful.
30:46I think that's a pretty rough move for their faith in you as an organization.
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31:45We're talking training camp hype and some of the teams that we are watching.
31:49So some of these storylines, we've already talked about the Arizona Cardinals and Atlanta Falcons quarterback competitions.
31:55We've got some more quarterback competitions and other stuff to talk about on the show.
31:59We're going to go to Cleveland and talk about the quarterbacks there because, I mean, it could be a competition, but I don't know, guys.
32:07I think the first question I'm going to pose to you guys is that question.
32:12Deshaun Watson, Watson versus Shadur Sanders. Is that a competition or do we think that Deshaun Watson is kind of the cemented starter for the organization?
32:20Despite the fact that maybe we want them to give Shadur a shot to Curti.
32:25How much money is Deshaun Watson guaranteed? A lot.
32:28Still a lot. Yeah. Like you just got to do it.
32:32You have to. The dude was it at one point in time.
32:35There has been injuries, all the other shit he's gone through.
32:39But like there's pieces on that offense. Harold Fannin smashed as a rookie.
32:43They added two wide receivers in the draft. Judkins is young.
32:46They've drafted really, really well. Even though they traded Miles Garrett, they still got back Jared verse plus another pick like they they're going to be young.
32:55They're doing some fun stuff. So shout out to all the Cleveland Browns fans listening.
33:00Like hopefully you're on the up, up, up and up from not being on the up, up, up and up.
33:06And I think it's they're going to be their best bet to win football games.
33:11Just even if Deshaun isn't physically able to do what he was able to do years ago, his cerebral and wherewithal how
33:18to run an offense, I think will trump or be the advantage to the others in that quarterback room.
33:24Mm hmm. I agree. He's going to get the shot.
33:27I was reading a blurb that said that Shador is closing in on Deshaun.
33:32Whatever. What does that mean? I don't think it means anything.
33:35I think it means that there's probably some uncertainty as there well should be in Deshaun Watson in that building.
33:41Right? No. You know, right. We're full steam ahead with this dude.
33:45So I do think that there's going to be a short leash for lack of a better term.
33:51I do think that, you know, they're not sure as we are all not sure.
33:56But I do agree. I've been saying this is a great bet.
34:00Like he seems so cheap in every format. You know, I you know, I'm in the Scott fishbowl.
34:05I'm I'm at round 12 or something like that.
34:08And quarterbacks are somewhat devalued anyway. But like he's so far down there on the list.
34:13And I'm just like, when do I'm playing the Deshaun Watson chicken because I'm going to try and draft him.
34:20But I also want to like, I don't want to overdraft him.
34:23You know, I'm just waiting. And it's like, maybe he's good.
34:27Maybe he's not. But like, it's just so, so free for him, you know?
34:31So I just see him as such this like very, very inexpensive.
34:35Dart throw. You know, what were we talking about, Trav in the in a couple shows ago?
34:41He was like in the 19th round of startups.
34:43Is that right? Was that I don't remember if that's exactly right.
34:47Something like that. I can check on the site right now.
34:51But yeah, it was it was way back there for sure.
34:54It was way back there. And I just think like, I mean, look, yeah, he's probably nothing.
35:00But every every player taken after the 19th round is probably nothing like, you know, they're all terrible bets.
35:06That's why they're back back there. But, you know, his asymmetrical upside, if you just looked at like, who has the highest
35:13ceiling of all the players drafted where Deshaun Watson gets drafted in a startup and behind him, it's Deshaun Watson, you know?
35:20And yeah, it's not a fun pick, really. But I got no problem with it.
35:24Just throwing because I got quarterbacks out the wazoo on most of my rosters.
35:29Curti, I'm not sure about you, but, you know, I'm just happy to have him on a roster.
35:35I'd be I'd be more than happy to take him on my roster at his value in almost every league.
35:41No, I I'm in a 14 team super flex startup.
35:44I got him at the 17 three right 14 right 14 team.
35:48That's exactly super easy. Like, you know, I was shocked.
35:51But yes, it's just another quarterback to have on your roster and flip them.
35:56Start them. Maybe he's good. Right. Exactly. Do whatever.
35:58Maybe he rocks. Maybe he's just immediately terrible. Who knows?
36:02Who cares? But yeah, I'm off chance at all.
36:05He starts one, two, three, four games and he's good.
36:08You're like, whoa, you can just flip them right then and there if you don't believe if you believe I guess you could hold and get the production.
36:17But either way you win. Right? Yeah. Yeah, for sure.
36:20Important to note, Curti, a Houston Texans fan. So Curti was was there for when Deshaun Watson wasn't a bad guy.
36:26And you said it, Curti, like he he wasn't necessarily always like a run his face off quarterback either.
36:33He was more opportunistic. I remember back in the day podcast and digging some red zone rushing stats and like a lot
36:40of his production was from like opportunistic red zone rushing touchdowns and stuff like that.
36:44So he's like, I think he can do it even if some of that mobility is sapped, because that's not the only
36:51way that he succeeded back in the day. He needs to roll out of the pocket and get outside and stuff like that.
36:59But I heard he was he was he was asking some of his coaching staff, you know, what is this tush push?
37:06He said just interested in, you know, yeah, for sure.
37:09Yeah, maybe we'll see some of that. Tell me more.
37:12Hey, Quinchon, you're looking nice today. Tell me about what is this?
37:16No, it has nothing to do with. Never mind.
37:19Let's not run it then. You know, you didn't understand exactly what it was.
37:23Leave the towel on the sideline. Why does the center have the towel?
37:27Is it for the tush push? I'm not sure.
37:30What are we doing here? Anyway, moving on. Moving on this.
37:34Okay, I mentioned it before and I don't think.
37:36Oh, by the way, it was also Mr. Mr.
37:39Curdy was also present when my New England Patriot dog walked CJ Stroud in the playoffs last year, too.
37:45He's right present for that as well. Yeah, right.
37:48Yeah, you got one more thing, Jacks, or? No, that's it.
37:52Joe's not here. Joe's not here. So yeah, yeah.
37:55I don't know if this one's a competition either in Las Vegas.
37:58We talked about we mentioned it previously. Mendoza and Kirk Cousins.
38:02I think it seems pretty clear that Kirk Cousins probably gets the early start.
38:06But what I'm monitoring is just how close that gap is, right?
38:10Like what if Mendoza comes in and plays awesome?
38:13He's the first overall pick. You know, Kirk Cousins is a little bit.
38:17Yeah, whatever. That gap then closes. So maybe Kirk Cousins, you know, has to play his ass off to be starting through
38:24like three weeks or something like that. How do you think it shakes out Jacks as far as Mendoza getting starts when he gets starts?
38:32He's definitely getting some this year. You know, it's crazy.
38:35I was wondering about this. I haven't seen anything yet.
38:38I think this is one of those that I don't know how much it matters.
38:43I don't know, you know, I don't know how much you're looking at Mendoza as on a contender out of the box
38:50starter in your super flex leagues either. You know, like I think he's sort of found money.
38:56Maybe maybe you draft him if you quote unquote needed a quarterback.
38:59I suppose there's some teams hoping that he's going to start.
39:03That would be a tough thing to be going into the season, quote unquote, needing it from Fernando Mendoza.
39:09That'd be a bad plan. That's a team that should probably be trading for Geno Smith, Deshaun Watson or name.
39:15You know, Stafford would be a great, you know, whatever somebody to be a quarterback to there to offset the time you're
39:22waiting for Mendoza as we've waited for all these guys.
39:25I, you know, bring up Cam Ward again, but so I don't know that it matters all that much.
39:32You know, because you're not depending on Kirk Cousins or Mendoza in almost any situation.
39:36I have literally zero Fernando Mendoza in 20 something leagues.
39:39I just didn't see the value of him as a as an early, you know, 102 type player.
39:45I just sold that pick and get me the hell out of there.
39:49So same wavelength with you. I had zero Mendoza and then my buddy Grindbird text me.
39:54They need a one more guy for another startup.
39:57And I don't know how to use the word.
40:00No. But basically in that draft where I'll get circle back to Mendoza is I traded out of all my picks until
40:07the 602 for future capital and moving back and moving back.
40:11And my first pick was Fernando Mendoza, which fits that build perfectly.
40:14Right. Like that's what you want for that kind of team where you're going to go productive struggle year one or, you
40:21know, not want to score a bunch of points or just not need to plan on meeting Mendoza.
40:27If you drafted Mendoza early in your rookie drafts, you have your plan.
40:31Like Jack said, I am someone who is reading now like I think Tom Brady's got a big voice in that organization
40:38and he just preaches that it's like the big no, no to have these young quarterbacks start.
40:44I'm not going to sit here and say I'd be surprised if Mendoza doesn't play at all.
40:49But right. What to put a number on it like week 10 week 11.
40:54That's fair. Just range of outcomes like interesting. Who is he throwing to like Jalen Naylor?
40:59Is he getting open trade talkers cool for those splash plays?
41:02Yes. Brock Bowers is a God. You could just hand it to a gente.
41:07He I just think it's going to depend on putting him at him in a position to win knowing he's the future of that organization.
41:15And I don't know if the Raiders think they're going to win this year.
41:19Maybe they do. Maybe they don't. Maybe they sat hard start.
41:22It's a really good point. So it's a really good point to to the to the weapons like, you know, throwing him
41:29to the proverbial wolves with no weapons early on makes zero sense to me.
41:34Yeah, I you know which quarterback. I mean, I mean, I meant Drake may excuse me.
41:39I meant Drake may. I mean, you know, I just try and think about these quarterbacks that have sort of navigated some
41:46some bad weapons and still been successful. It's really it's really hard to do.
41:50And, you know, I don't know. Yeah, I do think, though, that Mendoza he's built right.
41:56I'll say that. Oh, my gosh. He's built right man.
41:59That kid is. I didn't want to pay the early rookie draft price because, again, is it a four point pass in
42:06touch on League six point all that jazz. He's tied to Kubiak, though.
42:10Like, yeah, that's what you want long term. That's that's kind of an edge.
42:14I think you had Angel on the undrafted recently.
42:17He was talking about Caleb's tied to Ben Johnson and Tyler Shuggs now tied to Kellen Moore.
42:23And it's that's what we want to start to buy into these Shanahan Johnson type coordinators, coaches that are going to be there.
42:30They're not going to go anywhere anytime soon because those guys are a dime a dozen or.
42:35Yeah. Harder to find. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For sure.
42:38Yeah. That's kind of where I was going to go, Kurti, is that that's where I think I would almost counter the
42:45who is he throwing to argument in that Sam Darnold just gave like over 40 percent of his targets to JSN.
42:52Right. And so I could see a similar kind of set up here with Brock Bowers.
42:57Obviously, it's a little bit different with JSN moving outside a bunch, but Bowers can do some of that versatile stuff, too.
43:04I don't say I don't think he's going to have that type of year or like Bowers could have that type of year.
43:11But I don't know if Fernando Mendoza is the guy who does that for him fully.
43:16But I think I'm maybe a little bit more bullish.
43:19I checked. I only have one share boys. It's in the underground league and it wasn't.
43:25It was a 103, not a 101 or 102.
43:27So I'm cool with that. And that team needs work so I can wait for you.
43:33Fernando Mendoza on that one for sure. I sent you a trade offer in that league, by the way.
43:39Oh, did you? I got to check that out.
43:41Whenever you get a chance. I'll go check it out at otcffb.com.
43:45I'll fuck up. Because we can do that. This one's more fun to talk about, but also like recent conversations may have
43:52alluded to who's going to win this one. And it's in Minnesota with Kyler Murray being brought in with the incumbent, J.J.
43:59McCarthy, after a rough, rough rookie season. Yeah. And the recent stuff that I'm talking about, boys, was Kevin McConnell was on a recent interview.
44:07And I think the host was alluding to Kyler being the starter.
44:11And McConnell kind of made a face and didn't respond.
44:14You said McConnell. Did I say McConnell? Why do I have McConnell?
44:18I wrote McConnell on the show sheet, too. He was like, who is McConnell?
44:22There's no such name. Talk about who the fuck is that guy, man?
44:27Who the fuck is that guy? I'm like, who the fuck is McConnell?
44:31Yeah. Yeah. Cousin of Kevin O'Connell. What team? Yeah.
44:34Who knows? Who knows? Okay. Yeah. It's the BC Lions in the Canadian Football League, boys.
44:39No, Kevin O'Connell. What? That zany Canadian host. The zany Canadian host.
44:42So good. I love that you're the zany Canadian host.
44:46Kevin O'Connell had a recent interview. I can't remember with who.
44:49But yeah, he was kind of coy about the decision and it looked like he was trying not to say that Kyler
44:56is going to be the starter there. So like if Kyler is the starter, Jax, do you, you have been a JJ McCarthy supporter in the past.
45:05Do you think they're still covering try and pardon my wording, but like jam JJ McCarthy in there if they see any
45:12signs of Kyler Murray, not playing bad. Obviously, if he gets hurt, JJ McCarthy has to go in there.
45:18But they're going to do it, aren't they? I look, I would be still believing that JJ McCarthy has a shot in this league.
45:25I mean, it was very ugly. I'll give him, I'll give you that.
45:30And he was like the first quarterback, you know, this side of Josh Dobbs to not succeed in that offense.
45:36Like, I mean, there's like every single quarterback, you know, succeeded in that offense and he did not.
45:42And so that's a, that's a bad sign for sure.
45:45Look, I, I still think he's got the right kind of makeup a little bit, but obviously that's starting to become way, way less of a strong take.
45:54It did not look good. But I do think that they're going to be incentivized to win.
45:59And I think that's going to be Kyler to start, right?
46:03I just, I can't imagine them going any other direction than Kyler to start off the season.
46:08Has Kyler won anything ever anywhere? Really? I mean, not really.
46:11He's, we've talked about on this show a million times how, you know, Kyler is good for fantasy and he's kind of
46:18prolific and he's, you know, he's unique in those ways, but he's probably not the guy that you want quarterbacking your favorite NFL team.
46:26Like, you're not like, Ooh, I wish we could get Kyler Murray, you know, no said nobody ever.
46:32So I do think at some point, Kevin McConnell is going to have to make the decision to McSwap his ass out
46:39of there and put in, you know, somebody else.
46:42And I don't think it's going to be Carson Wentz.
46:45And I do think they're going to try to maybe see what JJ McCarthy has.
46:50Sorry. But, but I do. I think that's the buy.
46:53I mean, let's put it this way. Who here thinks that we're going to see, you know, 17 Kyler Murray starts.
46:59I can't imagine this guy. That's not me. What about you?
47:03I think he's going to start the whole year.
47:06He's motivated in his contract. He put some stipulation where he can't get tagged.
47:10So he wants to get the bag again. Um, I still believe in JJ McCarthy.
47:15I think he's just young who knows what everyone's going through, but Kyler for fantasy.
47:20Yes. And it's going to boil down to our, the Vikings winning football games.
47:24That division is the bears, the lions and the Packers.
47:27Which might be the toughest in the NFL next NFC West is up there too, but I, I don't see him getting benched for play.
47:35And he's now incentivized to pretty much play through any injury that he can.
47:40Um, he's betting on himself. I hope it works out for him.
47:44He's always seemed like a guy who that going back to that whole locker room thing, kind of like his attitude.
47:50Um, just from perception, you know, I don't know the guy at all, but that could be the only other issue.
47:57And I almost equate this to the Atlanta situation somehow because to a had all that guaranteed money.
48:03So he's playing for league minimum. Kyler's got all that guaranteed money.
48:07He's playing for league minimum. Um, yeah, both of the guys behind them perceived to be behind them are the highly drafted
48:14homegrown prospects that they want to succeed. Right. And I know that Vikings fired that GM that drafted JJ McCarthy.
48:20So that could be their scapegoat that no, this guy was stupid.
48:24Like it was not, it's not our fault. Um, mixed stupid.
48:27Oh, mixed stupid. Uh, so I don't, I would, I would bet Kyler starts majority.
48:32If not all this season, just because it's a good point.
48:36Veteran deference there too. It's a good point. Trav we were saying, you know, last year, you, you and Joe specifically always that, you know, Marvin Harrison, Jr.
48:44Had a Kyler problem. Right. And he probably did because we saw what happened when Michael Wilson didn't have that Kyler problem.
48:51He went off. Um, you know, so maybe we can see that from Marvin Harrison, Jr.
48:56Again, but if we go to the Kyler situation, I think Justin Jefferson was not happy.
49:02Happy with the way that McCarthy played last year and the way that he was able to, or not able to get him the football.
49:10But Kyler isn't exactly the guy that you'd, you know, assign with the task of, of lighting up J.
49:16Justin Jefferson, uh, you know, over and over again.
49:18Might we see Justin Jefferson weigh in on who the hell's playing quarterback there in Minnesota at some point?
49:24It depends how squeaky that wheel gets, but for sure.
49:28Like if Kyler, you know, get some Kyler it is happening and Justin Jefferson can't get an accurate pass his way to save his life.
49:36Then I'm sure he's going to be kind of vocal about it because he's itching to take this playoff ready roster.
49:42Um, through the playoffs and I don't blame him for that necessarily.
49:46Um, and I think it's kind of interesting because the, the ADP and maybe the conversation around Justin Jefferson kind of seems
49:53like it might be baking that in. I'm looking at the ADP right now, but we don't see him necessarily in that
50:00top three conversation with the likes of Puka Nakua, Jamar Chase, and whoever you have.
50:05JSN is in there. Um, you're seeing him down in that five, six conversation more so is what I've seen.
50:11Um, and I think that's reflective of the transitional quarterback situation situation.
50:15And even that feels kind of hopeful, right? Yeah, I mean, I think so too.
50:20I think so too. I think that's ceiling of his 2026 finish for sure.
50:24Um, I think dynasty brings in, you know, the longterm talent and stuff like that, where you can keep them in that
50:31range, but I think it's a year older though.
50:34Right? Yeah. Exactly. Can you imagine if they would just resign Sam Darnold, what the butterfly effect would have been?
50:40You had the guy in the building. Unbelievable. It's crazy.
50:44I was, I was, I was against it. So I would have been wrong too.
50:48So wild dude. I'm believing. I'm usually. Crazy. Yeah, for sure.
50:52Ready to be at least. Yep. Indianapolis boys, Indianapolis, Daniel Jones Jones participated in spring workouts.
50:57And so it looks like he is going to be ready.
51:00And I think he's, he's probably got the front seat on that starting job, but he is being monitored, heading, heading into training camp.
51:08You don't know what could happen. It's pretty late.
51:11Like, you know, back half of the season, Achilles tear that he had, and he's a pretty mobile quarterback as far as
51:18moving around in the pocket and breaking runs off.
51:21So do you, do we think this is another opening for one Anthony Richardson, Curti?
51:26I, I would bet no. Yeah. I would, I would, if I had to bet up like nerf gun to my head, bet Anthony Richardson or Riley Leonard.
51:35Riley Leonard is who I would bet. Oh, dang.
51:37What he did with that. What he did with that last year when a couple of spots starts before they signed old man rivers.
51:45But yeah, I hope Daniel Jones can get healthy.
51:48I was being a Texans fan. I'm still rooting for Daniel Jones coming from the giants and playing the way he did.
51:55Shane Steichen. I don't think he ever got a fair shake.
51:58It was just unfortunate that he got hurt. Was playing very well at high level.
52:03Really fantasy was bump. Like JT crazy. Tyler Warren, crazy out Pierce, Michael Pittman.
52:08And everything was going nuts. So yeah, I think it's a zero for Anthony Richardson.
52:12I hope if he's dedicated and wants to do it, I hope that he gets a change of scenery and an opportunity to do so.
52:20Mm hmm. Don't need to tap out, but I'll tap you in over there, Jacks.
52:25Yeah. I, so I kind of see this a little bit different.
52:29I, we did see Daniel Jones play well for a stretch there.
52:33I just don't think he's good. Um, I don't particularly think that he's the savior.
52:37So he's been injured. He's, I think he's iffy at best.
52:41Like, you know, if we do a draft of, you know, quarterbacks, I want quarterbacking my favorite team this year in the real NFL.
52:49I ain't taking Daniel Jones in the top 20, 25.
52:52That's for sure. Like he's a bottom five to 10 quarterback in the NFL from my seat.
52:57Um, I don't know that that opens the door wide enough.
53:01And, uh, while I don't know where Anthony Richardson is at.
53:04I would just say, I'm willing to take him on my roster for free in the event that he gets on the field.
53:11He's instantly a top 10 quarterback weekly, right? In fantasy, not, not in real life, obviously.
53:17Uh, yeah, no, but in fantasy, the moment he's on the field, he's a top 10 quarterback in fantasy.
53:23That's just the way it goes. And so having, um, a backup quarterback like that on your dynasty roster is exactly what I want.
53:30So yeah, give me, uh, you know, Anthony Richardson over Riley Leonard.
53:34Although there is a Riley Leonard hive I'm aware of.
53:37There is, I've seen it. It's real. And, uh, homeboys got some, some love out there.
53:42So God bless. Yeah. Well, Curti is filling Joe's seat very nicely because Joe is in that hive.
53:48I would believe. And there's been pause. I've seen positive reports on Riley Leonard coming through camp too.
53:54And so that's an interesting take there. Yeah. He's probably better than Anthony Richardson.
53:58I mean, to be fair, I'm not, I'm not saying that he's not, I'm just saying how much that matters is less.
54:05So because I'm not, maybe he's, you know, who knows they're both probably worthless, but I just love that tantalizing upside, especially
54:12at the low, low cost of Anthony Richardson. You're a hundred percent correct for dynasty fantasy football, low cost top 10 player.
54:19If, and when he starts it's Justin Fields all over again.
54:23Yeah. Right. I think, which we know how that one ends.
54:26Yeah. I think there is some of that too.
54:29And I think what is making the perception different is the way that he played with Steichen.
54:34And so I think him and Steichen being that perfect marriage is what's going to make them want to give Daniel Jones a shot continuously if he's healthy.
54:43Yeah. Um, and it'll be interesting to see what they do after this season.
54:48And yeah, go ahead. I'll give you this too.
54:51Like we, we, we gave up on Justin Fields at one point and he sort of got his chance again.
54:57I mean, think about the, the, the way we were talking about Malik Willis after his rookie year, or even after his
55:04second year or during his second year, we were like, this guy's a bum.
55:08Now all of a sudden he's got a starting gig in the NFL.
55:13So these things can change. I'm not suggesting that we should expect that to happen for Anthony Richardson, but we should expect
55:20it to be a possibility and in the range of outcomes.
55:23And for those reasons, he's worth it. You want him on your roster at cost.
55:28That's right. Malik Willis was on waivers in some leagues, depending on your size.
55:32Like wanted him on your roster at that cost.
55:35Yes. That not. Yes, absolutely. Yep. Yeah. I mean, that's right.
55:39Daniel Jones got paid and they don't have a first in 2027 now either for soft gardeners.
55:44So there's job security. Yeah, for sure. For sure.
55:47Okay. No more team situations. This is just a funny note that I actually saw come across the news ticker on OTC FFB.com.
55:54Derek Carr was contacted by multiple teams boys, and he wants the perfect situation.
55:59Yeah, I put on the show sheet in capital letters, LOL.
56:02And but I also think that if he goes to a team, he won't be going there without knowing that he's going to get some starts probably.
56:11Yeah. So we have to take them into account with super flex as our main format.
56:16What do we think? Is there a perfect situation for him boys?
56:20Like, I don't know that I'm LOL on this.
56:23I actually I mean, I think if you just ask me, look, I don't know what sort of shape he's in or how he's doing or anything.
56:31But if you just say, look, Derek Carr is as good as he could be at his age right now.
56:38That's where he's at physically and it's all good.
56:40He's all dialed in and he's going to come in and be able to play as well as he can.
56:47I would put him in the top 15 to 18 quarterbacks in the NFL as an NFL quarterback.
56:52I don't know. He's in there like probably. I mean, obviously you prefer Baker and golf and all these, you know, of course.
57:00Right. I understand that. But I'm saying like you start getting into the I don't know that he's probably serviceable, you know?
57:07Yeah. Would you rather have him or to like go him for sure?
57:11For sure. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, I don't know.
57:15He's probably you're so at some point or another.
57:18I do think he's okay. And then I would say that that special, perfect situation.
57:23I mean, he said special situation. Okay. Whatever. It's the same difference.
57:26Perfectly special. Yeah. Just like a McConnell ice cream.
57:29Yeah. Yeah. I love those. Those are delicious. So where is it?
57:33It's when someone gets hurt. Yeah. Right. That's where it is.
57:37I think it's stay in shape. Wait. Yes. You know, someone, you know, the, the Aaron Rogers cops, the Achilles situation happens
57:44for the jets or whatever, you know, like, right.
57:47It's like, Whoa, let's call Derek Carr. Bring him in type of thing.
57:51Yeah. The 2026 version of Phillip rivers is. No, it's true.
57:54That's right. As kids. I want to know who these multiple teams are, multiple teams that will remain nameless.
58:00Well, they were calling them for a coaching job.
58:03That's what that's what it was. You want to come work with our quarterbacks?
58:07Um, did you say quarterback? Yeah, I'm a quarter.
58:10Yeah. No, no, thank you. No, thank you. I can see Arizona.
58:14If the Jacoby thing goes sideways. There you go.
58:17I mean, I think they could use a fourth backup quarterback.
58:21I'm joking. I'm joking. No. Hey, yeah, it'll be interesting to watch.
58:24And I just thought it was a funny note as we were talking about quarterbacks on this show.
58:30We're going to move in guys to some injured studs.
58:33We've talked about these guys, Jack's on some of the shows, but I think things have tracked forward a little bit.
58:40Um, just a few to talk about here. Um, but Bucky Irving, and I got to give a shout out to John Leonard.
58:47Um, I mentioned him previously as a new, uh, community ambassador for the discord, but that is slowly escalated.
58:53And I actually asked him if he would like to elaborate on some of the banger data that he drops in the discord.
59:01And so now he's been writing some articles. So he's got one article already out on OTC FFB.com.
59:06Couple more in the chamber to do with dynasty best ball, which I think is really interesting.
59:12Um, so keep an eye out on the site for that, but he actually recently wrote a choose your fighter piece on Bucky Irving and Kenneth gain.
59:20Well, I thought it was interesting. Go check it out on the site, but what do you guys think about the Bucky discourse coming in Jackson?
59:29Maybe we'll start with you. And like, it's, it's dicey.
59:32It's very dicey. It's very dicey. It's very dicey.
59:35And there's other capable backs on the, on the roster, which is a problem, right?
59:39That's like, you know, it's one thing if they're just like, no, this is our first round, you know, pick type of,
59:46you know, super heavily invested in workhorse long-term reputation guy with nobody behind him.
59:51None of those things are true in this case, right?
59:54He's a late round pick undersized injured only one season of production.
59:58Dude. That's what he is with talent behind him with fresh talent and Kenny gain.
60:03Well, who really afforded himself very nicely. And look, I think they're closer in as prospects.
60:08The, you know, anyhow, I, we, I love Kenny gain.
60:11Well, as a prospect, I thought he was a really, really solid prospect.
60:15I think he was as good as Bucky Irving as a prospect.
60:19Bucky got a really good run out. He's a really good player.
60:23I'm not nothing bad, but I think they're both good football players.
60:26And I think there's probably a bit of a 50 50 split when it comes right down to it.
60:32I'm not so sure they trusted Rashad white as much.
60:36I think he's a little bit of not as nuanced a football player as either one of these guys.
60:42Right? So I think that now they have two, two of these guys.
60:46I don't know, man, I I'm, I would, I'm petrified.
60:49I am like, I was thinking about this theory that I was having, and it was the idea that I would sell.
60:56So this is, this is a brainstorm. I'm going to share with the, with the dynasty community.
61:01When you have a situation like I have with Colson Loveland and Trey McBride, where I view the difference between Colson Loveland
61:08and Trey McBride as less than the difference as, than the community thinks in dynasty.
61:13Right? That's an example. I'm just using it as an example.
61:17How do I take advantage of that? Well, if I can self Trey McBride for Colson Loveland or pick the thing that
61:24you think is closer than the, than the, than the dynasty community thinks, I'm going to use that difference to sell off another asset up to something else.
61:33I like. So the example would be, I'd take Trey McBride and Bucky Irving and sell it for Colson Loveland in something
61:40that's, we all kind of agree is a little bit better than Bucky Irving.
61:44And someone will look at that and go, yeah, that's perfect.
61:47I'm going to do that. And so, because I think Colson Loveland and Trey are super close, it allows me to get from Bucky somewhere else.
61:56And it's just a little bit of a thing that I was thinking about.
62:00And I was like, I want to mention that.
62:03So those are just things that, you know, you can have your own take on who, where that, those value gaps are,
62:10but that's how you can leverage a value gap that you see and then use it.
62:15I would be selling off this Bucky Irving situation in these types of ways to get myself just off that boat onto another, you know what I mean?
62:24You know, running back to running back here, maybe even sell down and get some profit and take a bit, another risk.
62:31Maybe there's a riskier player below. You know, again, we were talking basial tootin.
62:36I'd rather probably try and do that. You know, especially if I can get, you know, from Bucky to basial plus, that'd be, that'd be great.
62:44So I don't know. There's probably a way to lily pad off of him and still not give up too much.
62:50Yeah. I think that's a good take there for Bucky.
62:54That's it. I'm just nervous. Oh, totally. What about you, Curtie?
62:57Yeah. NFL teams can't lie to us when they're making ref picks, when they're signing players, they signed Kenny Gainwell and let Rashad walk.
63:05Like they're like, we're going to make this guy a priority and give him some money.
63:10Not to take Bucky's job, but to be involved to that degree.
63:14I mean, Kenny Gainwell, I agree as a talent was just in the wrong situation.
63:18Philly, look what he did with Aaron Rogers, who's not a mobile quarterback.
63:23Right. About 70 some odd passes. Right. That's PPRG code.
63:26Yes. So it's going to happen. I'm not going to say it's going to happen again.
63:31Right. Range of outcomes again, Baker, not mobile. And I don't have any Bucky in dynasty.
63:36Same. Same. Like, it's scary and I hope his injury stuff is all right.
63:40Like Joe would talk about, I think it was even like last year, some of the stuff that Bucky was tweeting where it's like, oh boy.
63:49And then bringing back Sean Tucker too, I think says a lot that they want to keep familiarity in that room.
63:55And they like what Sean Tucker brings and he could be the goal line back and it could be a three headed monster.
64:03Yeah. Just to keep them all fresh. So that's kind of my take on that.
64:07Yeah, for sure. And the sell on Bucky actually isn't that bad because if we look over the past couple of months
64:14at ADP, his startup ADP at the end of March was like in the 501, 503 area, still in like the 509 area.
64:22And so I'd be selling that for sure. I'd be selling that for sure.
64:26So I think that's a nice take there, Jacks.
64:29This one hurts the heartstrings a little bit, but Malik neighbors boys, Malik neighbors real chance that he's starting the season on the pup.
64:37What are you guys seeing? What are you guys hearing?
64:40What are you guys doing with Malik neighbors? Like Chase, our social intern, he told me specifically, we got to talk to
64:47Malik neighbor, talk about Malik neighbors soon because we're getting to a crucial point where we're assessing our teams going into the
64:54season, we might need that production, but he's hard to sell because you're probably not getting what you would likely want to get out of Malik neighbors.
65:02So how have you been treating it, Curti, in those leagues where you've got them?
65:07So this is a great question. I traded away one Malik neighbors share in the discord, the peace discord startup.
65:14So I traded Malik neighbors, essentially a two and a three and got back Hampton, Travion Henderson and Jamison Williams, which to me, that was full freight.
65:22Like that's full freight for a healthy Malik neighbors.
65:25I'd love to get your guys's opinion on that trade.
65:28Um, other than that, I haven't sold them at all.
65:31Actually, I was at Scott fishbowl live draft yesterday in Chicago, well in Bartlett and turned out Adam Hutchinson is in my division.
65:39So I got to meet Adam shout out Adam.
65:42Yes. Work with football guys. He's a injury specialist.
65:44He writes he's, he's amazing. Um, I took Malik neighbors in the fourth round of Scott fishbowl.
65:50I it's open bar, all the pizza you can eat.
65:53Right. I walk over to Adam. Like how bad is this really?
65:57Yeah. And Adam just spits his game with his stats.
66:00He's like, if they met this threshold, which he's blown out of the water.
66:04If they're this, he's blown that out of the water.
66:08He's like after week four is pretty much like back to who he is.
66:12And that's what works in Adam's mouth. It was something along those lines of I'm not worried.
66:17And it's a great pick in the fourth round of a format like this.
66:22I got him in the fourth of mine too, Curti.
66:25I got him in the fourth and Scott fishbowl draft too, baby.
66:29Bang. I like that. Thanks. Circle. Yeah. Shout out Adam Hutchinson.
66:32Um, circling back to that trade though. That's the only time I've sold Malik.
66:37Uh, I haven't really tried to trade for him yet.
66:40I kind of want to wait for the shoe to drop, but that he's not gonna be ready.
66:46Week one and send out offers like crazy. For sure.
66:49Going back to the start of the show with the hype stuff.
66:53Um, but what was it? What was the trade?
66:56I was getting, uh, I was getting some, uh, bevies from my wife.
67:00Nice. God bless her. What a, what a, what a gal.
67:03That's the hookup. I asked my wife to, I asked my wife to bring the dog back upstairs.
67:09She's over here. She was neighbors, a two and a three Jacks for Omarion, Travion and Jameson Williams.
67:15Wow. That's pretty good. That's good. That's good. That's good.
67:18That's good. Um, I would be, well, I'm not buying for those prices, but I think I'd be buying, uh, Malik neighbors.
67:25You know, when you were talking Trav at the beginning and you said, you know, hard guy to sell, I'm thinking because,
67:32oh, and you said, because of, um, you know, everybody's thinking about setting their lineups and stuff like that.
67:38I'm like, I can't think that way with a guy like Malik neighbors.
67:42Malik neighbors is not, I wonder what he's like on week three, four, five.
67:46I got to think about what he's like in year four, three, four, five, because this is the type of player that we agree is special.
67:55And my only question that I would be asking Adam and I probably will at this point will be based off what,
68:02you know, is he, is he going to be that guy again?
68:06Like, is it, is it more time or is it more like, I'm not so sure it ever really gets back that,
68:13you know, if that were the question, if that were the way that that would be answered, I'd be in, I'd be just heartbroken.
68:20But I don't, I haven't heard that. And I, it sounds like based off what you're saying that that's not what we think it is.
68:28So for me, week four is like, whatever, I'll just make do with whatever I've got on my deep ass dominant, you know, wink, wink, uh, dynasty roster.
68:37But seriously, you'll find a way to make something happen, especially early.
68:41Actually in the first three, four weeks, it's usually easiest because you kind of got everybody available.
68:46No bi-weeks, et cetera, et cetera, right? No injuries except for this stupid one.
68:51But, um, so yeah, I'm looking to buy neighbors, um, because I do believe that when healthy and when right, especially if
68:58he's attached to Jackson Dart, who is not afraid to throw it down the field and should be a prolific offense because of how great Dart can be.
69:07I think, um, I would say that, uh, neighbors should go back to wide receiver one overall in my dynasty.
69:13He's not there right now because it's very hard to have an injured player like that who we're unsure about at that position.
69:20But I'm also like, I'm okay sort of paying almost anything because I think that's where it goes.
69:26And, um, I, I, you know, I love this prospect.
69:29Obviously, as you guys know, we were huge team neighbors people.
69:33So give me, give me Malik neighbors at his current, current valuation for sure.
69:37Yeah. I recently threw out an offer of two 27 firsts for him.
69:41Uh, I think he's worth more than that, but obviously trying to get a little bit of a discount and that was rejected.
69:49Um, I think a sharp move by that other manager, right?
69:52Because I probably wouldn't, I don't know if I would have done that for sure, because I think he is like generational
69:59wide receiver can do it all kind of stuff in their situation.
70:03It's good. Like you said, Jackson. So we here are riding that.
70:07So I think that's fun. One other note guys, this is not too alarm.
70:11Um, but lad McConkey, I'm seeing that he's got like a little bit of slight hamstring stuff going on.
70:17Um, coaching staff said nothing to worry about. So you talk about the drum beat that we want to be listening to Jackson.
70:24We want to kind of be listening and seeing the coaching staff, um, to a degree, to a degree, of course.
70:31Um, but injuries are a little bit different though, Trav, right?
70:35I mean, injuries are injuries, you know? Yeah. Well, they said he's going to be full go for camp when it starts.
70:42And so they didn't really say he's going to be limited or anything like that.
70:46And so until I see him limited, then I'll start reacting of course.
70:51But if we do see some of that stuff crop up in training camp, the news around Quentin Johnston has been nothing
70:58but glowing as far as what he can do after the catch.
71:01We like Mike McDaniel is an offensive coordinator. So while we're stoked about what that can do for lad McConkey, maybe it
71:08does some of that for Quentin Johnston too. And so, um, just something for us to monitor as they move through training
71:15camp and lad sort of gets fully, fully healthy, even though he's not really that hurt.
71:20Question. Uh, is it foregone conclusion that it's QJ over Trey Harris in the future?
71:25I'm not obviously right now. But I use there and maybe not the future, but what I'm seeing this off season, they're
71:32really liking Quentin Johnston and what he's been doing.
71:35So I think he at least gets first crack at the two spot.
71:39Yeah. That's what I'm hearing. That's why I'm just asking the question.
71:43I kind of, I love Trey still. Give me some Trey, you know?
71:47I love him. Yeah. No, I think it's, it'll be interesting to see how they deploy the wide receivers behind lad McConkey.
71:54Cause I think it's clear. They even, there was another snippet that came out and said lad's number one, which of course he is.
72:02But, um, you know, behind him, I'd be curious to see what they do with multiple tight ends.
72:07Obviously, as they're looking that they might play a lot of tight, two tight ends.
72:12Um, you know, I wonder Gadsden QJ Gadsden's been cheap lately too.
72:16Huh? It's like, everybody thinks that it's nuts. It's a buy right now.
72:20I thought this is crazy. I took, I don't like it was a seventh or the eighth of my fishbowl.
72:27And I thought that was absolutely stealing. When we look at 20 yard reception bonus and Ronda Gadsden being that scene guy
72:34attached to Mike McDaniel and Justin Herbert right now, like get off me with your David and joke.
72:39Who has any impact on fucking Ronda Gadsden after what we saw last season?
72:44Like, come on, come on. Darren Waller was doing it.
72:47Darren Waller. With Mike McDaniel. At that age, at that age, Gadsden's a hundred times what the athlete Waller is now.
72:54And it's going to do that. It's not going to do that same role.
72:58If he's in that same role, then yeah, it's not a question.
73:02You got to go get him at this price.
73:05Yeah. I think a joke of being there is actually just good for him.
73:09You know what I mean? He's just more of something the defense has to take note of when they're into tight end sets.
73:16And so, yeah, give me Gadsden at his prices all day.
73:20I'm in the same boat. It's been wild how discounted he's been.
73:24So, I'm snapping that up for sure. Okay, boys.
73:27We're going to talk about some... Okay, we're going to ride this out with some rookies that we're watching in training camp.
73:34But first, we have to go and say some words from the sponsors and we'll be right back.
73:39And we are back on Dynasty Underground. Jax and I have been joined by OTC's very own Kurti.
73:45If you've been in the OTC ecosystem, you know him and you love him.
73:50And we've had a fun show so far. So, let's ride this puppy out, boys.
73:54I wanted to talk about some rookies that we're watching as we go into training camp.
73:59Because, of course, that's a big part of our content process is the rookie process.
74:04And albeit not the greatest class. I know there were some guys that we were looking at.
74:10And so, I'm curious to see that from what we've heard going through kind of OTAs and the spring workouts and stuff like that.
74:17But has that changed, right? Like there's some guys, obviously, we're not going to come on here and say, Yeah, we're looking
74:24for Jeremiah Love to really secure that bell cow role for the Arizona Cardinals.
74:29That's not really what we're trying to say in this one.
74:32We're looking maybe a little bit back and seeing some of these guys where that depth chart debris that I've been talking
74:39about maybe has cleared up for some of them.
74:42Jax, do you have anybody that's coming to mind?
74:45So, I want to first mention Omar Cooper. I know he's a little bit more at the top.
74:51And I've got some further down. I'm kind of going in this order.
74:55I do think the targets behind Garrett Wilson are intriguing.
74:58Is it Sadiq? Is it Cooper? Is it not them at all?
75:02Do you know what I mean? Like I'm going to be curious to see how they sort of deploy and just even the snaps, you know, early on.
75:11So, yeah, Omar Cooper is one. Of course, I've got a ton of Omar Cooper shares.
75:16I'm kind of hopeful to see him go out there and return value.
75:20I think past that, there's a couple others. Obviously, I want to see Carson back.
75:25I do think that, you know, how this whole thing plays out in Arizona is one that I think I want to
75:32try and take, you know, advantage of in value.
75:34I think if people are still sort of looking at Carson back, you know, further down the board, I think that's one that I definitely want.
75:43And then probably I'll go with this one. You know, Angela was on my program last week.
75:48I think DeMond Claiborne in Minnesota, the Minnesota running back situation.
75:52I think they're going to start with, you know, Mason and Aaron Jones and that whole thing.
75:57But I'd like to hear if they quote unquote like him, you know, right.
76:01You know, if you hear some positive rumors about DeMond Claiborne, maybe he's a guy who could find his way on the field later in the season.
76:10I don't think he's going to be out there to start.
76:14I don't think he's going to be out there in the first three, four, five, six, seven weeks.
76:19Right. I think he's more of that sort of playoff run type of player.
76:24So one of those guys that you may be able to buy early on in the season, again, still at a discount.
76:31But who knows? You know, I'd like to hear more about what they think of DeMond Claiborne.
76:36Yeah, I'd love that. I picked up Claiborne in damn near every rookie draft I could.
76:41Yeah. Just given that running back room of age of Aaron Jones and health of Jordan Mason slash just how he performed last year.
76:49Yep. One of the rookies I like to watch, this is such a unique situation to me.
76:54I'm like very curious, this Adam Randall pick. Yeah.
76:57Because the Ravens came out and said the owner, Steve Piscotti, however you say his name, did the research.
77:03This was his pick. McConnell. Steve McConnell. McDonald. Something like that.
77:07Mick Scottie. Yeah. And they have those new, the whole new coaching staff that might want to be a people pleaser to
77:14the owner and get Adam Randall involved. I know Derrick Henry's an alien.
77:18I wouldn't want to bet against him. But at some point in time, father of time will win.
77:24I don't think there's much behind Derrick Henry. Justice Hill battled some kind of neck injury towards the end of last year, I think.
77:31And then Rasheed Ali. So no big names, in my opinion, to overcome.
77:35And then I just had on here the dark throw rookie tight ends.
77:39So those guys of the Justin Jollies, Will Kazmarek.
77:42That sounds like Kazmare Pulaski. Marlon Klein, et cetera.
77:45Those tight ends later in your rookie drafts. Speaking more to these .75 or .10 in premium leagues, these guys, what I'm
77:52reading about that will Kazmarek on the Dolphins is he's pretty much the best blocker in the class and pretty freaking athletic.
77:59Played at Ohio State behind all those prolific wide receivers.
78:02If he's on the field with that wide open room, who knows?
78:06It's Greg Dolcich ahead of him and what wide receivers have consequence.
78:10So I think those are just going to be interesting to me.
78:14Probably ends up being nothing. But if you're in those deep leagues, like that dispersal I joined with you, Jack's 14 team,
78:21it's like a two-point tight end premium. Just rack up all those guys later.
78:25Do you see my tight end room in that league too?
78:29I got to check that one out. Yeah, you should check it out.
78:33Check out my tight end. Just pull that one up while I'm talking.
78:37That way you can have the tight end room in the gigantic tight end premium league.
78:42But I think that's right, though, as he's looking at that.
78:46There's just so many of these tight ends. I have them all grouped together.
78:50And to his point, they're all probably nothing. But if you go sort of as a group, there's like 15 of them or something like that.
78:58And I'll just kind of go through them. Jack Endries in Cincinnati.
79:02Gillenborg, who we love. The cyborg in Kansas City who's playing behind an aging Travis Kelsey and Noah Gray.
79:08They like the tight end there. Will Kazmarek, he mentioned.
79:11Marlon Klein, he mentioned. The other guy, Sadu – I don't even know how the fuck to say his name.
79:18The other guy in Miami, Traore. Whatever his name is, I can spell it.
79:22I just can't say it. He's super athletic. Michael Trigg, who can't jump over a box, as we pointed out.
79:28He can't jump over a dead cat or whatever the joke is.
79:32I love Matt Hibner, but there's also Josh Cuevas there in Baltimore behind a – now no Isaiah Likely and behind Mark Andrews.
79:40Go ahead. Did you say Josh Cuevas? Ooh, Joe Cuevas.
79:43That's right. Is that a long-lost cousin? Yeah, that's him.
79:46Josh Cuevas. Joe Cuevas. Jake Cuevas. Joe, if you're listening, hit your 23andMe and check your shit out, dude.
79:52Bauer Sharp is a guy that exists. You know, I really liked Daquan Wright.
79:56He's now in Philadelphia. I think he's got plenty of bodies to climb there.
80:01He's probably – Yeah, he – Ole Miss. He's probably nobody, and he's got way too much in front of him to
80:08do anything, and it's probably completely jover for him, but he's also 1,000% free in any league you're in.
80:14So, again, all these guys are basically free. But all these guys, when you start going down, they're all basically just guys
80:21you want to just kind of – like Curti's saying, just keep your ear down.
80:26And if something starts to pop up, maybe that's the guy you prioritize and pick up and throw him on the back
80:33of a roster, some sort of taxi situation. So, that's a good take with just the volume of tight ends back there.
80:40And we weren't even talking about some of the higher ones, like Koziel and Delp and all those guys.
80:46So, yeah, these tight ends are – you kind of want to use the birdshot approach, not the buckshot approach with the tight ends.
80:53Yeah, because a lot of these tight ends wait until year three or four to break out, right?
80:59Like, you know, think about Tucker Craft, who we love.
81:02We didn't really love him like that when he first came out.
81:06He had to grow into that, right? And so maybe you get one of those guys out of the six you put on your tight end premium roster.
81:15And you probably don't, but just be aware, right?
81:18For sure. Anyway, did you find that tight end room?
81:21I did. Send me a screenshot and I can put it up in post too.
81:26Send me a screenshot and I'll pop it up on the screen.
81:30Is it okay? We'll screenshot it. So, again, 14 team, two PPR tight end, Tucker Craft, Harold Fannin, Isaiah Likely, Mark Andrews,
81:37TJ Hawkinson, Kate Atten, and Darren Waller. Jax, do you want a second to suck yourself off there?
81:42No, the rest of the team, though. Wait, maybe the quarterbacks aren't good.
81:46What are the quarterbacks in that league? Oh, my God.
81:50Here we go. No, let me ask me. No, they're terrible.
81:53Patrick Mahomes. He's just roster baiting. Yeah. Patrick Mahomes is one of them.
81:57Yeah. Going off. What is the quarterback? Where were we at here?
82:01Oh, just Lamar, Mahomes, Dak Prescott. That's good. Okay.
82:04I think it was probably the running backs, though.
82:07Maybe the running backs aren't good. No, these ones weren't.
82:10Kenneth Walker and CMC. Oh, no. Was it the wide receivers then?
82:14Something probably isn't working on that team. That's cool.
82:17I didn't have any rookies I wanted to watch for training camp either.
82:21Hold on. After this. Hold on. Puka, Namers, Igbuka, Sutton, Trey Harris.
82:25What are you going to do? I don't know.
82:27OTC score favorite Troy Franklin. Yeah. OTC. OTC Patriarch.
82:30Take the L on Troy Franklin. OTC Patriarch Courtland Sutton.
82:34All right. I'm done. Like, literally. Did you finish?
82:36Did you finish all the way? Go ahead, Trav.
82:39Tell us about some rookies. Yeah. You didn't even need to clean up.
82:43I'm impressed. Would hate to see what's under your desk.
82:47Hey, you know. Join a dispersal. It'll be fun.
82:49Jax is in the league. Yeah. I wonder why he says assets unseen.
82:54Yeah. No information. Just you want it. You're going to send me the screenshot.
82:58And when I put it up on screen, it's going to be blurred out.
83:02Because it's NSFW. Right. Jax, I'm going to get you to send me a selfie of you making an O face.
83:09Inappropriate. There's probably plenty of screenshots you can take of this show.
83:13I'll hit up your wife. She has zero. There's some O'Connell statements being made.
83:17O'Connell. Okay. So, I wanted to actually touch on a hot take I have for the Jets.
83:23You mentioned Omar Cooper real quick. Hot take that I have for the Jets is that Adonai Mitchell starts as, like, the ex-opposite of Garrett Wilson.
83:31Because when they're in two wide sets, he can occupy that clear-out role, that outside role.
83:36Which I don't think Omar Cooper is going to be from the start of his NFL career.
83:42And Adonai Mitchell has done a couple of good things here and there in the NFL.
83:47Absolutely. Yeah. Good call. That's something that I'm watching for the Jets.
83:50You talked about Adam Randall for Baltimore. Same team.
83:53Those wide receivers, Jacoby Lane and Elijah Surratt. Yes.
83:56Jax, you'll be happy to note that at my fishbowl draft in Vancouver, Jacob Sanderson, fellow fantasy analyst, is there.
84:03So, I was kicking it with him, drafting most of the time, and was talking.
84:07And he leans Surratt, as you did. Because of that versatility and the hope that he doesn't get pigeonholed into the X role.
84:15I don't think he necessarily gets pigeonholed into the X role.
84:18But I think that some of what they would want him to do from the slot is some of what Zay Flowers already does for that team.
84:27And maybe he's a little bit more of a dynamic athlete while he does it.
84:31So, I lean towards Jacoby Lane. But I think it's going to be interesting to see it from a scheme and a play-calling perspective.
84:39To see what D-Clan Doyle does for a team that previously rarely played in three wide receiver sets.
84:45Does drafting two wide receivers signify more of that on this team?
84:49With that tight end depth dwindling, as you mentioned, with no likelihood.
84:52And Andrew's getting older. So, that's kind of what I'm curious to see, kind of branching off of those rookies.
84:59Is how that offense is being run from a passing game perspective.
85:03Because I think it could be a big year for Lamar Jackson.
85:06And some of these rookies could be the beneficiary.
85:09So, I think that's a good one to watch there.
85:12Another one. Maybe they could drag teams into lighter.
85:15Other boxes with more wide receivers on the field.
85:18And now that I'm galaxy-braining it a little bit.
85:21Both Surratt and Jacoby are bigger. You know, they're...
85:24And maybe they're... I have no clue if they're good blockers or not.
85:28Not everybody can be a Dishon Stribbling. I could see Surratt being good.
85:32You know what I mean? Yeah. Probably. They can't all be Stribblings, you know.
85:37But you get my drift. Maybe they are a little bit better.
85:40More sturdy blockers, potentially. And they can play a little bit differently.
85:44I love it when, you know, when Lamar plays wide open, right?
85:48When he's just sort of... Video game Lamar is like so dangerous.
85:52And if you've got Derrick Henry on the field against light boxes, that could be a plan.
85:57You could be very right about that. Because the idea that they're going to play multiple tight ends at the same time
86:04means that one of those other two rubbers that I just mentioned, Joe Quavius or Matthew fucking Hibner are going to be on the field.
86:12Rubbers. Dang it. That's good. Go ahead and talk, you know?
86:16Yeah, I love it. The last one and this one we're talking...
86:20As a matter of fact, hey, Trav, back east we would call them rubbers.
86:24Rubbers, yeah. Yeah, we would call them rubbers. He's fucking rubbers out of here.
86:28Yeah, exactly. Totally. But now I'm from California. I can't believe we're finishing the show on this.
86:34This feels crazy. Because the ceiling is like best ball guy at best.
86:38You know what I mean? But I'm thinking there might be some opportunity for Chris Brazel in Carolina.
86:44I think it's interesting to take note of. I got a couple like fourth, late fourth shares.
86:49We weren't really attacking this wide receiver position in this draft.
86:53But if you have him, you're wanting to maybe assess what you've got.
86:57And I think when you look at how it's shaping up, his real competition is Xavier Leggett.
87:02We got Coker locked in as kind of that slot guy opposite of Tet who's going to move around as that versatile
87:09kind of new age alpha like we've been talking about, Jack.
87:13Yeah. And I think when they need that X role filled, Xavier Leggett is not suited for that.
87:18And he's been suited to not be that. And so I think Chris Brazel with that speed, being able to take the top off the defenses.
87:27Yeah. He's like six, four, I think six, five.
87:30And so he's got the height to be able to occupy that kind of space.
87:34And so I think this guy's going to get on the field.
87:38And I think, you know, with an injury, maybe he gets some opportunity where there is a spike week or two to maybe where you can.
87:46The team trusts him to get more targets in that situation.
87:50Right. Where you always talk about it with running backs, Jacks.
87:53You know, if this guy's goes down, you're probably going to get a couple of targets.
87:58Like maybe Brazel turns into that wide receiver where if a Coker or a Tet misses a time, you kind of know
88:05Brazel is going to get a couple of deep shots.
88:09And so to me, that's ROI on like a late fourth rookie draft pick.
88:13Yeah. So just a situation that I'm kind of monitoring.
88:16Also, son of a former BC Lions legend, Chris Brazel Sr.
88:20So there's a little bit of my heartstrings that root for Chris Brazel Jr.
88:24That's where it came from. Feels like a little bit of Torrey Horton, Darius Slayton type of player here where, you know,
88:31we're probably never going to actually see it, but he'll probably be on the field.
88:36And I think you're right. There is a possibility, as you say, that if, you know, if he's on the field, then Tet were to get hurt.
88:45You know, yeah, they got to throw it. So because who the hell else do they have, you know, other than Coker,
88:52you know, but, you know, after that, there's not a ton of like established, you know, target earners on that team at all anywhere.
88:59And you're right. Leggett is a gimmick player, period.
89:02End of story. He's not a real boy. Pinocchio over there, right?
89:06He's a Pinocchio. I'm not a real boy. I want to be a real boy.
89:11So, yeah, he's not. That is a good fucking Pinocchio, Jeff.
89:14Thank you so much. I'm supposed to be the voice guy.
89:18That one was money. Thank you so much. Thank you, Mr.
89:21Shatner. I really appreciate it. Or was it Jim Carrey?
89:24Whatever. Oh, man. There we go. We've had so many good times on this podcast.
89:29Can't end the show on a better note than that.
89:32And tonight was another good time. It was another good time.
89:36Curdy, I want to say a big thanks to you for joining us.
89:40You have been stepping up time and time again for OTC as a brand.
89:44And just for us to have you as a human in the fold has made it that much more fun, man.
89:51Like Jack said, like you're making your own little community in the fantasy space.
89:55And I remember how fun that was. And I'm excited to see you blossom because I'm living a little bit vicariously if I'm being completely honest.
90:04And so just everything that you bring and the energy and the passion that you bring to the discord and the care that you bring for the people.
90:13Thank you for that. And thanks for coming on, brother.
90:16Yeah, I can't wait to see him in the pineapple hat.
90:19It's coming. Yeah, right. I'll be on the first order.
90:22Click for the pineapple one to greatly appreciate those words.
90:26It's fun. Just good group of fellows, individuals. Everyone's there for the right reasons.
90:30Shout out to everyone in the discord. Keeping it real.
90:33Keeping it genuine. Being there. Active. Just having fun.
90:36That's what it's all about. So all the love, Kirti.
90:39You're great, dude. Absolutely. And yeah, just look for Kirti on the live streams.
90:44Jax mentioned it. There's a show coming with Kirti and a couple other analysts you may have seen on these here airwaves.
90:51And so stay tuned for that. Just a couple of production details that we're working out and then we're going to get that kicked off.
90:59And so OTC summer is happening, folks. We're getting into the fall, getting close to preseason.
91:04But let's enjoy the sunshine while it lasts. And thank you for tuning in for Jax Falcone.
91:09For Kirti, I am Trav. We will see you next week.
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