Future 1st Podcast - Ep 57 - 2026 Players to Stiff Arm
STACKED extracted the fantasy-relevant player signal from this podcast and kept the full transcript here for context.
1 hr 12 min
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Estimated from transcript
Aug 25, 2026
Published
Tue, August 25, 2026
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Topics
Drake LondonMarvin Harrison Jr.Ashton JeantyChristian McCaffreyDae'Quan WrightDeshaun WatsonGeorge KittleGeorge PickensJavonte WilliamsJaxon Smith-NjigbaJeremiyah LoveKyle PittsMalik DavisMalik Nabers
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Ashton Jeanty
NegativeInjury2:06
Ashton Jeanty suffered a leg injury that initially sparked fears of an ACL tear, though it appears less severe now. While a high ankle sprain would not be the end of the world, the injury significantly hurts his chances of being a top-end player starting right away.
Insight pageChristian McCaffrey
NegativeUsage13:21
Christian McCaffrey returned to practice following a series of planned veteran rest days, alleviating concerns about him starting the season injured.
Insight pageDae'Quan Wright
NegativeDepth Chart19:58
DeQuan Wright has a handshake agreement to return to LSU if he clears NFL waivers, highlighting the shifting landscape of player eligibility and NIL influence.
Insight pageDeshaun Watson
NegativeBust16:49
Deshaun Watson is considered a bust due to poor on-field performance over the last three years and off-field character concerns, with Matt Kelley noting he is currently failing to provide value to his franchise.
Insight pageDrake London
NegativeValue21:51
Matt Kelley argues that Drake London is being over-drafted as a WR7-8 in the middle of the second round. Despite his talent, the combination of quarterback uncertainty (Tua Tagovailoa vs. Michael Penix Jr.), a new offensive scheme, and potential touchdown regression creates too much risk for his current ADP. Kelley notes that even elite talents like Justin Jefferson struggled with poor quarterback play, and London's high draft cost leaves no margin for error.
Insight pageNegativeValue33:36
Drake London is a fade at his current ADP (WR7-WR8) because his price assumes elite production despite significant quarterback and offensive uncertainty in Atlanta. Matt Kelley suggests his ceiling is already baked into his cost, and he may struggle to reach WR1 status without a clear upgrade at quarterback.
Insight pageGeorge Kittle
PositiveInjury12:00
George Kittle has been activated from the PUP list and is expected to be ready for Week 1, consistent with his own summer projections.
Insight pageGeorge Pickens
NegativeValue44:13
Matt Kelley fades George Pickens at his current WR10 ADP (24th overall), arguing he is overpriced as a WR2 on his own team. Pickens' production spiked significantly during CeeDee Lamb's injury absence last year, but Kelley expects fewer spike weeks in 2024 given the presence of Lamb, Jake Ferguson, and emerging WR3 Ryan Flournoy. Kelley compares Pickens to 2024 Devonta Smith or 2025 Tee Higgins, noting that investors are paying a round ahead for Pickens compared to similar WR2s.
Insight pageJavonte Williams
PositiveUsage45:06
Matt Kelley highlights Javante Williams as a player he prefers over George Pickens, noting that the Cowboys want to lean on Williams to keep the offense efficient and open up lanes for receivers. Kelley views Williams as a more reliable asset to anchor a running back room.
Insight pageJaxon Smith-Njigba
NegativeProjection64:32
Matt Kelley questions whether the team has found the right way to utilize Jaxon Smith-Njigba, noting that he is not currently paired with a quarterback who can help maximize his elite potential.
Insight pageJeremiyah Love
NegativeValue52:47
Matt Kelley fades Jeremiah Love, who is being drafted as the RB13 (early 3rd round) despite having no NFL carries and playing in a poor Cardinals offense led by Jacoby Brissett. Kelley notes Love is currently dealing with a high ankle injury that could impact his availability for Week 1 and his grasp of the playbook. He warns that Love faces a committee situation with Tyler Allgeier, making him a risky investment at his current price.
Insight pageKyle Pitts
PositiveUsage21:45
Matt Kelley suggests that the market is discounting Kyle Pitts too heavily. Despite the meme status surrounding his fantasy production, Kelley emphasizes that Pitts is still expected to draw a significant target share in the Atlanta offense.
Insight pageMalik Davis
PositiveDepth Chart8:23
Malik Davis has reclaimed the RB2 role for the Cowboys, receiving significant work with the second team and earning praise from beat reporter John Machoda. He is a viable handcuff to target in redraft leagues should Javonte Williams go down.
Insight pageMalik Nabers
PositiveProjection66:47
Matt Waldman ranked Malik Nabers as the number one overall prospect in the 2024 rookie class, placing him ahead of Marvin Harrison Jr.
Insight pageMarvin Harrison Jr.
NegativeValue59:29
Matt Kelley is fading Marvin Harrison Jr. at his WR31 ADP (72nd overall), citing poor training camp reports where he has been outshined by Michael Wilson. Kelley expresses concern over Harrison's inability to command targets, noting that if the Cardinals' pass volume regresses to league average, Harrison's 18% target share would result in a disappointing season. Kelley prefers taking shots on players like Parker Washington or Brian Thomas Jr. in that range.
Insight pageNegativeBust65:08
Matt Kelley is fading Marvin Harrison Jr. at his current draft cost, citing concerns about his body-catching technique, recent training camp drop issues, and the overall outlook for the Cardinals offense. Matt Waldman is noted as having ranked Malik Nabers and Rome Odunze ahead of him in the rookie scouting process.
Insight pageMichael Penix Jr.
NegativeProjection26:09
Matt Kelley expresses skepticism regarding Michael Penix Jr.'s reliability as a starter, comparing him to J.K. Dobbins due to injury concerns. While acknowledging Penix had a few decent games, Kelley notes the limited sample size and questions his durability for a full season.
Insight pageMichael Wilson
PositiveValue65:44
Michael Wilson is presented as a superior value compared to his teammate Marvin Harrison Jr., as he is available roughly a full round later in drafts.
Insight pageMike Washington Jr.
PositiveBreakout33:09
Matt Kelley highlights Mike Washington Jr. as a threat to Ashton Gentry's workload. Washington possesses elite physical traits, including a 110 speed score, and has received positive coach speak from Clint Kubiak, who intends to involve multiple running backs in the Raiders' offense.
Insight pageParker Washington
PositiveBreakout61:13
Matt Kelley is buying the hype on Parker Washington, preferring him over Marvin Harrison Jr. in drafts. Kelley believes the Jaguars' offense is trending upward and that Washington is a key part of that trajectory, especially with Jacoby Myers dealing with an injury.
Insight pageRome Odunze
PositiveProjection66:51
Matt Waldman ranked Rome Odunze ahead of Marvin Harrison Jr. in his rookie scouting profile.
Insight pageFull transcript
Episode Transcript
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1:04Futures now open. What it do, Future First Crew.
1:07This is Future First Podcast, where we help you win today with the Future First Mindset.
1:12I'm your co-host, J-Mac, here with my co-host, Jose.
1:15What up, dude? What's up, J-Mac? What's up, Future First Gang?
1:19Hopefully everybody's having a fun time. Hopefully, even though we're going to talk about him in a negative light today, you were
1:26out there in the few hours where you could get Ashton Gentey in like the eighth round because you're probably going to
1:33win a league or two, you know, if he comes back at some point during the league year.
1:39But apart from that, man, I've been good, you know, preseason football rolling around.
1:43We're very close to kickoff now, so it's almost time, you know?
1:47How about you, Jimmy? I'm good, man. It's one of those things where the camp hype hits in unexpected ways, right?
1:54You know, it's like you get the injury alert that Ashton Gentey can't put any weight on his leg and you're like, it's over.
2:02It's over. You know, the overreactions hit in ways that we don't expect.
2:06If we're not overreacting to a Cyrus Allen catch or a Parker Washington, you know, over the middle, take it into the end zone.
2:14It's overreacting on an injury that we probably shouldn't be.
2:17Let it be a lesson to you. I mean, there were accounts out there that were reporting that early reports were that he tore his ACL.
2:25Yeah, yeah, there was a fear of it. And it did shout out to, I think, Caitrell from the Boogaloo League.
2:32He mentioned that it looked somewhat like the Malik Neighbors injury from last year, diving for a fall and just, you know,
2:39kind of the knee getting kind of, you know, mangled up.
2:43But it's looking less likely like that. I mean, we talked about it, even if it's high ankle sprain, it's, you know, not the end of the world.
2:52But, you know, still still hurts his. His chances of being, you know, a top end player starting right away.
2:58Yeah, absolutely. And let's table that and we'll get more into it as we go on here with the episode, because there's
3:05going to be a lot about Ashton Gentry here.
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4:07You can follow her on X at bfoxworth07. All right, man, today we're going to talk about some fades.
4:13We're going to get faded, right? Let's do it.
4:16Let's do it first. As always, quick hit, man.
4:19Are you ready? Yeah, take a quick hit before, you know, let's go.
4:23No, just kidding. All right, man, let's talk about some more camp news.
4:27There's a lot more going on. We got some preseason hype, whether it's coming out of their production, from their games, whatever it may be.
4:35The first one you wanted to talk about here was our them boys.
4:39Them boys? Them boys? How do you pronounce it, man?
4:43You tell me. You know, we just, if you haven't noticed, the Cowboys this offseason, absolutely extremely quiet.
4:48No drama. Pickens is going to play under the tag.
4:52No weird contract stuff. Haven't had a guy arrested, I don't think, yet.
4:56So, no, but I mean, we were talking about it, and I've been on the Malik Davis train and the camp news,
5:03and this is why you kind of have to stay plugged in and not lean one way or another.
5:09He was leaning Jordan Blue as the running back, too, and obviously still things can change.
5:14We still have a couple of preseason games, but the preseason game that the Cowboys played, I think it was yesterday, he
5:21got a lot of that important work he ran with the twos.
5:25And then John Machoda, who's a pretty prominent Cowboys beat reporter, kind of named him the RB2 or looking like he's still hanging on to that job.
5:34He had a nice touchdown run. He had, you know, he looked pretty good out there.
5:39So, you know, maybe it's swinging back to Malik Davis.
5:42These are the type of camp battles that, especially for Dynasty, I know for redraft, it's not that important.
5:48But I do think that the Cowboys would make a feature back out of Malik Davis or Jordan Blue, whoever they decide to have as their guy.
5:57If Javante Williams went down. So even in redraft, you know, he's one of those handcuffs you can rotate around during the league.
6:05But, yeah, it seems like Malik Davis is kind of back into that RB2 role as for now.
6:10So that's pretty interesting. I mean, it's always something to keep an eye on with these backfields and training that, you know,
6:17the back end of the rosters as we've been talking about.
6:21Wasn't Jordan Blue too? Didn't he get injured or something?
6:24Is that playing into this at all? Like, is this just now coming to me?
6:29I don't remember him. I want to say he like missed a practice or something.
6:34It was like, I want to say undisclosed. But he was like back at practice, I want to say for a joint practice or something they had.
6:43So I don't know if that's playing into it at all too.
6:47And Phil Moffa is also there too. I think it was like between Malik Davis and Phil Moffa, Jaden Blue was going
6:54to be a part of it regardless. Like I have some sort of pass catching rule or whatever it is.
7:00But I do like the call from Malik Davis because it is something to watch, whether it's any one of those three guys.
7:08He did look good yesterday and, you know, that might be playing into it here.
7:12I don't know. Did you confirm? No, I couldn't find anything about an injury for him.
7:18Well, let's move on to the next guy then.
7:20We have Kittle being activated from the pup. This is good news for him to play week one.
7:26It's been trending that way all summer. At least Kittle has been saying that and announcing it.
7:32I don't know. Maybe that's he is that kind of guy where I feel like he's just going to manifest something.
7:38And so he probably did manifest this. You know what I mean?
7:42Yeah. I mean, he seems he's been pretty confident that he was going to be ready for week one.
7:49I think he's probably just been staying away from the substation, which somehow, you know, keeps you healthier than being at practice.
7:56I don't know. I guess on top of that news, we kind of buried the lead there too.
8:01CMC was back and said that it was all part of the great, you know, magical Shanahan plan that they were going
8:09to do eight, nine hard practices and then kind of, you know, just randomly take a break because why not?
8:15And then come back to practice right before the season.
8:18So, I mean, at least for CMC, I mean, we'll see.
8:22You've been trying to fade him or, you know, call him, you know, the end of his career prematurely already this season is offseason.
8:30But, I mean, at least he's not going to start the season hurt like happened two years ago.
8:35But, yeah, man, I mean, it's good. Kittle's a good, you know, dynasty and redraft guys on contending teams.
8:41So, it's good that he'll be there at week one.
8:45Yeah. It could happen. You never know. It's the 49ers.
8:48Let's not put the cart in front of the horse here.
8:51But, yeah, I mean, it sounds like, too, Stribling is the reporters are saying that he's going to be heavily involved in week one.
8:59I don't know whether that means they're not expecting Mike Evans, you know, to come out of the gate swinging if he's
9:06going to get a slow starter or whatever it is.
9:10But I did hear those reports and the Stribling hype just continues.
9:13It goes on and on. Did he convert, though?
9:16Stribling? Yeah. Yeah. Mike Evans is on Stribling out Saturday.
9:20I thought he did. Today or yesterday they got hurt?
9:23I think so. Oh, boy. Let me double check this.
9:26Returns to practice Sunday. Okay. So, I guess he missed one practice with a shoulder.
9:31All part of the Shanahan plan. Exactly. All these guys are just, these are just rest days.
9:36These are veteran rest days for everybody. That's right.
9:39Dijon Stribling. It's a veteran rest day. Exactly. Can't be too many practices in a row near that.
9:45Substation. Got to, you know, rotate the bodies. See?
9:48They solved the problem. It's just the pronounced exposure or the prolonged.
9:52That's the word I'm looking for. Prolonged exposure is what it is.
9:56So, every few days, guys, just go to Hawaii.
9:59Come back. Take that Southwest fight. We'll see you.
10:02We'll see you in a bit. There you go.
10:04Yeah. Let's move on. Oh, no. Let me ask you, J-Mac, a question.
10:09If your quarterback, if your starting quarterback or who is projected to be the starting quarterback of your team, was a serial sexual assault person, what is that?
10:18Offender. That sounds right. Would you be booing him?
10:21And then do you think it'd be, you know, personal if you were booing him?
10:25In this scenario, is he good at football? No, he hasn't been good at football for three years, probably.
10:32No, I'm probably booing him because he sucks. I mean, isn't that, I mean, like, as horrible as it is, like, obviously
10:39not to make light of Deshaun Watson, who's a horrendous human being by all accounts and also horrible at football.
10:45But isn't that kind of crazy how, like, if he was as good as Mahomes, like, he probably wouldn't be getting booed.
10:52Like, that's just the nature of sports, I guess.
10:55Like, you're willing to put up with horrible human beings if they're putting up the numbers.
11:00But because Watson is, you know, horrible on the field, he's also getting booed.
11:05I mean, him saying that it felt personal, it's like, buddy, you're robbing this franchise blind and you suck at football and you're a horrible person.
11:13Like, you're hitting the trifecta. You're hitting, like, you know, you're batting a thousand percent here if we're playing baseball.
11:20Shout out to the absolute savage beat reporter who responds to him going, but don't you think if you were playing well
11:27that that would not have the crowd worried about you and booing you?
11:31He's like, no, this is personal. I got injured and they were cheering.
11:35This is, it's like, bro, come on, man. Reality check.
11:38Yeah, he doubled down. It's like, you know, no accountability.
11:42No, you know, I mean, yeah, just bad all around.
11:45Yeah, no accountability. Yeah. What's this about NFL players going back to college?
11:49I didn't know we could do that. Yeah. So, I don't know, a court somewhere pretty much gave extra eligibility.
11:56So, I think we have the first confirmed case.
11:58The tight end from the Giants, the Juan. The Quan.
12:02The Quan Wright. I think. I think so. Yeah.
12:05He said he's pretty much has a pact, like a handshake pact that if he clears waivers, he's going back to LSU.
12:12He's committed to LSU. I mean, you know, I'm not, we're not super deep into the college football, but I mean, I think that's just kind of crazy.
12:21I think it has an impact, you know, because you're losing players and the NIL money is, it's changing the landscape and it continues to do so.
12:29So, I think it's just very interesting and like, how does the NCAA get a hold of this and kind of bring it back in?
12:37It feels pretty impossible now that the genie's out of the bottle.
12:41That's kind of crazy, right? I mean, that he wasn't drafted, so he went undrafted.
12:46I wonder if it would have changed things if he was drafted or if that would have mattered.
12:52Like, did he have a contract or was he just trying out working?
12:56I mean, he had to have a contract if he was on a team, right?
13:01It's just weird. Like, there's going to be an NFL player in college now?
13:06Yeah. I mean, there's, there was talks that like, you know, later round picks that get cut could do the same thing, right?
13:13Like, if they don't make it and they get cut instead of going to practice squad, for example, they'll just go back
13:20to college and, you know, give it another shot, I guess.
13:24I don't know. It's, it's very, I don't know, upside down world, you know?
13:28Like, you got a 20-year-old kid, freshman who's going to go up against a 24-year-old.
13:33Like, you know, that always happens, but it just feels weird when they've had NFL experience.
13:38You know what it feels like? It feels like the plot to a bad movie where you got like some 40-year-old who's
13:45like, he washed up and he wants to go relive his glory days.
13:49He's like, mom, I'm going back to college. He didn't make it in the NFL, but now he's back.
13:56Division III football. Can he do it? Really? I mean, that's what it feels like, dude.
14:01I get Instagram reels sometimes about this U37 league where it's just like grown men who need to be at work the
14:08next day just killing themselves on like the football field.
14:11They take off their helmets. They got like white hair in their beard, like, you know, a receding hairline, and they're just
14:18out there smacking the crap out of each other on a football field on a Sunday.
14:23It's pretty funny. I mean, it's entertaining. I love those reels.
14:27There's a lot of fights on those ones. Yes, that's true.
14:31All right, man. And then we got one more news item here, which is Tyler Biotish, the newly acquired center for the
14:38Chargers who is out for the season. He hurt his ACL?
14:41Yeah. Yeah, that's a bummer, man. Yeah. I mean, I don't, you know, this has to be some news.
14:47People are worried about, you know, over there in with the commanders because they lost their left tackle.
14:53I mean, center is the captain of the line and he was one of the better centers that they were able to acquire there.
15:01So it's definitely a big blow. I mean, with the Chargers offense, all the weapons that people are, you know, banking on QJ, Ladd, Hampton, Herbert.
15:09I mean, you know, Herbert's excuse is already lined up before the season started.
15:14He lost his center. What can he do? My, you know, woe always him.
15:18But I mean, it's not nothing. I also saw a guy that was kind of analyzing.
15:23I don't know how, you know, this Twitter analyst, but he was saying that the guards are just so bad that a
15:31lot of times in their blocks, they just kind of like throw and like push people onto their like onto their side
15:38and land on top of them, having them roll on top of their counterparts.
15:42And that's why these guys have had a bunch of these knee injuries.
15:46I don't know how true that is. But on that play, that's kind of what happened.
15:52And like the guard missed his block or couldn't hold it and kind of threw his man down to the floor and
15:59ended up rolling on Bias' knee on a joint practice, nonetheless, with the 49ers.
16:03So, you know, the substation is just, you know, it's like the Stranger Things meme.
16:08It's like growing its impact out. Like now through joint practices, it's getting players.
16:13Whoa, whoa. This happened in L.A., okay? They were nowhere near Santa Clara.
16:17It's the same state. I did see they had a freeway in the background.
16:21Maybe we should investigate. The pollution in the air.
16:24It's something. It's something. Yeah. All right. Well, that's enough of the fun and making fun of these guys.
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19:24In this episode or this segment, the players to stiff arm, we're going to give you guys some seasonal fades that we don't like at their ADB cost.
19:33It's not that we don't like them. These guys that we're going to highlight here, a lot of them are really good,
19:40and I would love to have them on a dynasty squad or maybe even in a redraft league at the right price.
19:48But nonetheless, at price, at the ADP that they're going at, there's a reason why we want to fade these guys.
19:54So let's get faded. Who's your first fade here, Jose?
19:58Yeah, it's somebody that during the offseason have kind of been going back and forth on just because the quarterback situation.
20:04And I kind of didn't expect that Tua was going to be the starter, but looking at how he's playing, I don't know if he really will.
20:13But I don't have a huge confidence in Penix either.
20:16So the player is actually Drake London, right? Like the fade here is that his price kind of assumes elite production while
20:23Atlanta still has enormous quarterback and offensive uncertainty. So I feel like it's kind of the Garrett Wilson thing all over again,
20:31like a team that projects to be decently bad with not a great quarterback.
20:35But we love the talent, right? Drake London is one of the best young wide receivers in the league.
20:41But he's currently going, I think, around wide receiver seven or eight.
20:45And it just feels too much, right? You're kind of baking into his ceiling.
20:50Obviously, if Drake London was maybe paired with like a Mahomes, you could say he would have wide receiver one upside.
20:56But I think you're taking the best case scenario with a Tua that actually can play football or a healthy Michael Penix
21:03and just kind of cementing him as already a very solid wide receiver one.
21:08It's borderline, I think, first round territory in some platforms.
21:11I think on Sleeper, he's currently going as what was it like the middle of the second round in full PPR and
21:18a little bit later in half PPR. So I think people are just not accounting for the changes that have happened in Atlanta.
21:26Kevin Stefanski is now head coach and the Falcons have quarterback uncertainty.
21:30Michael Penix Jr., Tua, and London's usage could change, right?
21:33We don't know exactly. We understand that he's the best player, but the best player doesn't always end up with the most
21:40targets or being the best player for fantasy, especially when their quarterback is not great, right?
21:45I think also people are kind of discounting Kyle Pitts.
21:48Like, I know it's a meme, but like also, you know, he's going to draw targets.
21:54And B. John Robinson, Tua, I think, had highest dump off rate.
21:57I think it was. I think I saw of quarterbacks last year, one of the highest percentages.
22:03Now, that could be partially Mike McDaniel. But when you're Tua and you're panicking back there, the safest thing is to just
22:10throw it to your running back because he's only five yards away.
22:14So, you know, I think Drake London to maintain his like what?
22:18I think it was 24 percent target share. That's going to be hard.
22:22And how good is the offense going to be right?
22:25Like, that's kind of the biggest worries I have.
22:28So my biggest problems with Drake London isn't Drake London, right?
22:32Like, it's not Deshaun Watson. Don't take this personal Drake London if you're listening.
22:36Is that I'm being asked to draft him. Like, all the questions that we have about him are answered.
22:42Quarterback is a question. New offense is a question.
22:45Touchdown regression potentially? Question. But the price, there's no question mark attached to that, right?
22:50We're just thinking everything's going to work itself out.
22:53Drake London's so good. He's going to make it work.
22:56And I mean, not just Garrett Wilson, Justin Jefferson, who I would put hands in, you know, entire, you know, head above
23:03Drake London in terms of NFL talent. Couldn't make it work last year with a bad quarterback and a better offensive minded head coach in Kevin O'Connell.
23:12So for me, the bottom line is just like London could absolutely finish as a wide receiver one.
23:18But you're drafting him as a wide receiver, as the wide receiver seven or eight in the middle of like the second round.
23:25You need him to do it or your second round pick kind of goes up in flames, especially when we're talking about
23:32a lot of people are, you know, using the trend of two running backs in the first two rounds.
23:38If you buck that and you take Drake London and then he finishes as even not that far off, like a wide
23:46receiver, he has the wide receiver 12. So he's still a wide receiver one, but he's four or five marks off where you're drafting him.
23:54It's going to hurt your chances to win. So I think there's not enough margin for error there.
23:59And I just think there's better picks in that range.
24:03Yeah, man, we were talking about it too. Like the picks in that range, it's kind of full of question marks.
24:09There's not a lot of guys you feel better about.
24:13Like one guy that I would probably feel better about would probably be like an AJ Brown.
24:18Like I'd probably draft AJ Brown over Drake London.
24:21I'm probably taking Brock Bowers over Drake London. Like if we're going like a zero RB build, like you're saying, I think
24:28it's fine to take like a Brock Bowers in the second round.
24:32And then in your third round pick, get somebody equivalent to what a Drake London would be.
24:38Right. If you go get the wide receiver 12 at their cost, like a Chris Alave, but then you have Brock Bowers to pair with him.
24:46That obviously probably feels a lot better than if you were to have like a Drake London and Colson Loveland.
24:52Right. Or something like that. Like choose your fighters.
24:55Right. And it doesn't even have to be a Lave.
24:59There's, you know, there's players around that. If you want to shoot for ceiling and get like a neighbors or something like that, you could definitely do that.
25:08But yeah, man, I don't mind the call. I don't, I don't hate it.
25:12Like I think Drake London is good at football and you're right.
25:16Like, I think the thing that concerns me the most is Tua.
25:20If it were Penix back there tossing the rock, we already saw what Penix can do for Drake London.
25:26So I guess maybe the hope is if you do take Drake London is that Tua falls flat on his face and
25:33Penix is healthy enough to come in to start slinging the rock because we know the connection that him and London have.
25:40We saw what the ceiling could be for London and the times that they were healthy together.
25:46But yeah, I mean, if it's, if it's Tua to start, it's, it's not great.
25:51And I mean, there's even talk now of the third string quarterback who's getting hype.
25:55I don't, I don't even remember his name. Strickland or something like that.
26:00Jack Strand, our boy. Shout out to, shout out to Piggy out there.
26:04He, he's hyping him up. So. Piggy. Oh, it's, it's bad for the Atlanta fans.
26:09My biggest thing here is like Michael Penix. I mean, he had a few good games, but I mean, he missed one week.
26:16I think that was a concussion. So he missed like, and then he got hurt by week 10.
26:22And it was, I don't know, it was like three or four decent games where he played like pretty well.
26:28But I mean, he had only one game where he threw more than, or two games where he threw more than one touchdown.
26:36I just like, I feel like we've seen so little of it from, from him and he's just kind of also the,
26:43to me feels like the Jacob Dobbins of the quarterback position.
26:46You're like, if Penix plays, how long is he going to play?
26:50Like, how long is that Penix going to be for the season?
26:54You don't, you just don't know. So. How long will the Penix stay up?
26:59Yeah. Like, is it going to be a short ride?
27:02Is it going to be a, you know, who knows, you know?
27:06It's more than four hours. Call a doctor. Exactly.
27:09If he's last, if he plays for more than four weeks, we get, you know, we're wheels up there, I guess.
27:15That's right. Yeah. I mean, he was good when they played together.
27:19Look, look at these points that Drake London put up week 10 against Sauce Gardner, 24.4 points.
27:25Wide receiver one on the week. Week nine against Christian Gonzalez, 38.8, number one on the week.
27:30Then you have week six, 31.8 against Christian Benford of Buffalo, number one.
27:34On the week. Number week four, 25 points, number five on the week.
27:39Like, yes, that it was up, up and down, but like the wide receiver position in general is volatile.
27:45If he's going to have a 50% hit rate at putting up 25 plus points that I don't know.
27:51I'll take it. Yeah. I mean, I think some of the concerning stuff though is, is like the 8.2 and the 10.5.
27:58Like I understand that there's variance. I think he's just like, don't look at, don't look at those.
28:04Yeah. Just don't pay attention to the bad games.
28:07No, I mean, I get it. I definitely think Drake London, when you're doing this type of call out is like the
28:14type of player who's good enough, who makes you look bad at the end where he just, you know, he either finishes
28:21right as right here or like a little bit above and it's a bad call out.
28:26I just, uh, like you said, there's other, especially if you go wide receiver, I think there's definitely other guys who I'm more safe.
28:34Uh, like, you know, I feel safer in their hands.
28:37I mean, yes and no. Right. Like we were talking about that yesterday and it was like after Justin Jefferson, it's like,
28:44you just like, who do you pick at, at that, that place?
28:48And I don't, to be honest, I don't feel comfortable with a lot of them.
28:53So, but also too, we want our guys to get off to hot starts.
28:57So that way you have the potential to trade them if you do.
29:02And if all these numbers we're talking about are with Michael Penix Jr.
29:06And Tua is going to get the start here.
29:09Maybe it doesn't, it doesn't turn out that way for, for Drake London coming out the gate.
29:14You know, it is, it is a risk here and I don't hate the call.
29:19It is probably like a high risk, high reward scenario, but it has a very low floor.
29:25It's a basement. Indeed. All right, let's go on here with my next one.
29:29And guys, this is going to feel a bit disingenuous here, but, but Jose can back me here.
29:35We were talking the, on Friday night, we were talking about who we're going to call out for a phase.
29:41And I was like, man, like, does this, is this crazy that I kind of want to call out Ashton Gentty?
29:48And he was like, no, like I kind of get it.
29:52Like, it makes sense. Like your argument for it makes, makes a little bit of sense.
29:57And then of course today the news comes out about Ashton Gentry not being able to put a weight on his foot or on his leg.
30:05And I'm like, well, I guess I'm going to have to pick a new fade for tonight.
30:11Like I can't, I can't really go with Ashton Gentty.
30:14And then like, like two hours before we go on tonight, Ashton Gentry is going to be fine, guys.
30:20It's just an ankle sprain. Ashton Gentty is back on the phase list, baby.
30:25Let's go. Kicking the man while he's down and hurt.
30:28I can't even put weight on his foot and you're kicking him.
30:32Undertaker straight up. He's getting faded back to life.
30:35All right. Let me lay out the argument here of why Ashton Gentty was a fade before his injury.
30:41And especially now after his injury, you're going to want to fade him before he was going as I think like the
30:48RB eight, you know, at the back end of the first round, he was going, you know, pretty much after the three
30:55wide receivers, which were, you know, JSN, Puka and chase.
30:58And he was probably one of the next running backs off the board behind, you know, the six in front of them,
31:05which are like, you know, Jonathan Taylor, Christian McCaffrey, Bajon, Gibbs, who else is in there?
31:10Saquon. Sometimes you're kind of, you're like at the end of the first making a decision usually between like Saquon, Ashton Gentty, Devon HN and Omar in Hampton.
31:20And those are kind of like, if you're going running back from like the 112 or you're double tapping that 112 and
31:27201, you're probably picking two of those like four or five guys.
31:31And I mean, especially now not to like burst your, not to cut you off, but like, especially now after the injury,
31:38I'm probably picking all the other guys before him now, even though I'm not a huge Hampton fan, but yeah.
31:44Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he's dropped five, nearly five ADP spots over the last 24 hours with, with this news.
31:51So the spike and the drop off has been evident and it's there, you know, like now he's at ADP 18 overall,
31:58whereas before he was ADP, you know, 14, 13, right around there.
32:02Like you're saying, I was already going to take, be taking Hampton over him.
32:06Give me Derek Henry over him. Even with a healthy leg, Saquon Barkley's there.
32:11Kenneth Walker, I'll take over him. Chase Brown, like all those guys.
32:14I'm, I was, I was probably going to take over him.
32:18And here's why the minute, the minute Clint Kubiak landed in Vegas, there were videos already surfacing what looked like a hostage
32:25negotiation of him in a dimly lit room, probably with his hands tied behind his back, talking about what the backfield was going to look like.
32:33And he was saying, yeah, it's going to be a rotation.
32:37We want two, even three guys out there running the rock.
32:41I think this was before Clint Kubiak had even looked over his roster and he didn't know what running backs he had on his roster.
32:49Cause he probably wouldn't have been saying that if he knew the next best running back was Dylan Laub or, you know,
32:56I don't even know who else is on the team.
32:59Now they have Mike Washington. They drafted Mike Washington, which is the perfect segue into the next point.
33:05Mike Washington is good and he's looking good, right?
33:08I mean, he was the draft darling out of the combine, had a speed score of like 110.
33:1428, like off the charts, like the second highest speed score of all time behind Bo Jackson.
33:19Right? Like we had talked about it on this podcast, like his 40 time at his weight was just unreal.
33:25And like that stuff matters for running backs. To me, I want a big guy that can run fast.
33:32Right? And we've already seen it in the preseason.
33:34He can run fast and he's, he has enough vision to find a hole and hit it and run or get to the outside and make it happen.
33:44Yes. It's preseason. Maybe that doesn't mean anything, but you have coach speak Clint Kubiak saying, yeah, Mike Washington's a baller.
33:50We need to get more on his plate and put it on, put it on wax for him so that he can get going.
33:58I think Mike Washington jr. Can carve out a role on this offense because that's what the coaching staff wants.
34:05They want more than one running back out there.
34:07So even before Gentie was dealing with an ankle injury, I think Mike Washington jr.
34:12Was a threat to some Ashton Gentie's playing time on top of that too.
34:17Like we're talking about the Las Vegas Raiders that's commanded by Kirk cousins, right?
34:21This isn't going to be a very potent offense.
34:24You don't want pieces of this offense unless it's going to be extremely concentrated.
34:29And if Gentie is not going to be getting 80 to 90% of the touches in this offense, which I think a
34:36lot of people are projecting based on last year's usage with last year's coaching staff.
34:41How have we seen Clint Kubiak operate his backfields on all the other teams that he's coached before they've been split backfields.
34:48Even when he was the offensive coordinator for the saints, Alvin Kamara got the load, but that was out of necessity, right?
34:55I mean, Ken J Miller was hurt and then they had, um, the other guy that can't stay healthy.
35:01I'm blanking on his name now. Um, it doesn't matter.
35:04They had, they also had, um, the guy that was on the lions the year prior who had a crazy amount of touchdowns.
35:12This is great podcasting right here. Just know they wanted more guys involved.
35:16That was the narrative that was being spun all along was trying to get more guys involved.
35:21It couldn't just be on all on Alvin Kamara.
35:24And they couldn't find the guy to kind of step in and be the guy that they needed to be.
35:31And then in Seattle, we saw what, what he did to Zach Charbonnet, who was actually a good pick last year, but
35:38also Kenneth Walker because of Zach Charbonnet was a bad pick.
35:41Like I just, it feels rich to have your first round pick be a projection, right?
35:47For, for this kind of workload in, in this kind of offense, it doesn't feel like a pick.
35:52I want to be making, like I said, give me an Omari and Hampton, a Derek Henry, a Chase Brown, Kenneth Walker overall, all of them.
36:01It just feels like a safer bet to me.
36:04Yeah, a hundred percent, especially with these ankles, they can linger, nag, stop, you know, his explosiveness.
36:09I think you're right. Like the Raiders do not project to be one of those teams whose offense is going to take
36:16a great leap forward, which means that his inefficiency from last year, which wasn't Gentry's fault.
36:21Like obviously like the narrative of this whole episode is these guys are talented, but we don't really love where they're going.
36:29Um, so like it, it wasn't Gentry last year.
36:31It was just his old line and the team overall was just bad.
36:36And you know, that hasn't been fixed overnight. They've definitely done things to make it better.
36:41Um, and so now if Gentry loses some of that workload, even a little bit, even if you're talking about five to
36:4810%, how much like more inefficient is he going to be for your fantasy team?
36:53If you're drafting him as the running back seven, running back eight, wherever, uh, he's going right now.
36:59I think, yeah, he's around, he's around there, depending on how you stack a chance, Dan Hampton, Chase Brown, Derek Henry, and Kenneth Walker to me.
37:07Even at the usages that we were projecting him, you're like 80, 90%.
37:11To be honest, like for him to pay off on that draft capital, he, I feel like it's not going to come through touchdowns.
37:19So it's going to have to come from the receiving game.
37:22So Gentry is going to have to put up like 60, 70 receptions in my opinion, to pay off on that draft capital.
37:30I don't like it. I don't want to bet on it.
37:33Not at the draft cost that you have to.
37:36And I went back and I just pulled up the 2024 saints.
37:40It was Jay Willie, Jamal Williams. How could I forget, man?
37:44He was, he was the guy that was stealing touches from, from Kamara that got hurt.
37:49And then Kendra Miller and what was the other guy that just couldn't stay on the field.
37:54And then of course that was the year that Taysom Hill had six rushing touchdowns.
37:59Right. So it's like, we, we've, we've seen what Clint Kubiak wants to do in these offenses.
38:05And it is, it's going to, it's going to be a split backfield to much to the dismay of, of Ashton Gentry managers.
38:12Yeah. A hundred percent. That's all I got, man.
38:15Why don't you kick us off with your fade number two?
38:19I hate this one, by the way, I'm going to fight you all the way on it.
38:24Yeah. So it's going to be another wide receiver here.
38:27And it's going to be Devante Smith. I think currently as a wide receiver, he's going in that like kind of middle-ish
38:34rounds right outside the third round, beginning of the fourth, depending on, you know, what platform and format he's a wide receiver
38:42to, I think wide receiver, like 14, 15 off the board.
38:45And again, I mean, Devante Smith has never been a bad NFL player.
38:49He's just been a bad fantasy player. Like, I don't know if he's one of those players who's cachet, like his name
38:56just carries a lot of value, but he's really never been that fantasy relevant, like wide receiver 19, 27, 20 in terms of PPR finishes.
39:04So like a solid wide receiver two, once or twice.
39:08So he did have a top nine finish back in 2022.
39:11And I understand like the whole hype here and the whole thing is right where the target explosion when, because AJ Brown is gone, right?
39:19He's also been dealing with a hamstring injury, by the way.
39:23So like, he's also been missing camp and stuff.
39:26So I think this is like the most nuanced fate I have because obviously there's a big bull case for AJ Brown being gone.
39:34And therefore Smith becomes Philadelphia's wide receiver one. And they didn't do a ton.
39:38I mean, they drafted Mikhail Lemon, who's been hurt, who, you know, has been having some problems.
39:44Goddard and Stowers. Stowers is looking like not a great football player right now.
39:48And then you have Dontavian Wicks, you know, the Hall of Famer that we all know him to be.
39:54So it's not like there's a ton of targets, but, you know, the market has kind of already noticed.
40:00And again, they're just seeming to price in Devante Smith as this kind of for sure producing asset.
40:06When the Eagles threw for just 448 passes and Jalen Hurts averaged only like 29 pass attempts last year.
40:12Obviously, I think Philadelphia is hoping to change that.
40:15But man, when you watch Jalen Hurts play, like it seems kind of like, I don't know, like we were talking, I
40:22can't remember who it was, but they were talking about like the scaredness of him throwing over the middle.
40:28Like he seems to have lost confidence in his ability to drive the ball, at least from like camp and some of the stuff that's been coming out.
40:37So like, how much is that on Jalen Hurts?
40:40How much was it on the coaching staff last year?
40:44I just think there's a lot of question marks there.
40:47Like is Jalen Hurts ever going to be a 40 attempt per game type of player throwing for three, four or 500 yards?
40:54Like it just never really seems to be that we've heard so much about how they want to return to Saquon of two years ago.
41:02They want to feed Saquon. And they want to be a Saquon driven team.
41:07And it feels like that's where it's going. Like Devante Smith, for him to be as impactful as people want him to be where he's getting drafted.
41:16There has to be, I think, a target consolidation.
41:18And maybe, you know, the other players are just not good enough that it ends up being him.
41:24But I'm just worried that, you know, Brown's departed.
41:27He creates targets. But Philadelphia, I don't think, is simply handing the receiving room to Smith.
41:32Right. That's kind of my biggest reason to be fading him.
41:36I can't. I can't agree with you here, man.
41:39But that's OK. Like it is what it is.
41:42Like this is this is why there's two of us is why we're doing what we're doing.
41:47Yeah, wide receiver 13, according to the ADP I'm looking at, which is 29th overall.
41:52So that's a, you know, early third round pick to spend on on Devante Smith going around guys like Alave, J-Mo, Zay
41:59Flowers are, you know, right behind him in front of him.
42:03You got Neighbors and George Pickens. So. I get it.
42:06Like. I'm going to be taking like Alave over him.
42:09I honestly, I take Devante Smith over George Pickens.
42:12Spoiler alert. He's my next fade. So I can get revenge here on on Jose.
42:17No, but I don't know, man. Like, I think the the bull argument for him, right, is without AJ Brown on the
42:24field, he's had a 38 percent target share with a 2.69 yards per route run, which is really, really good.
42:30Right. I mean, if we can project that target share for this offense with those yards per route run, it's I think
42:38he's pretty easily like a 1200 yard season, maybe more.
42:41I don't know how many touchdowns he gets, but if he's putting up 80 receptions on 12 touchdowns, like that feels pretty
42:48likely that he'll be a wide receiver one. I don't know.
42:51But again, like question marks, like you're saying, like it's this isn't a solved thing.
42:56This is projections kind of like what we were talking about with Ashton Gentry.
43:01It's a whole new offense. We don't really know what to expect.
43:05I can understand why you would feel uncomfortable with that price tag.
43:09Yeah, I mean, it's I think not as hefty and not as, you know, like going to hurt you as bad.
43:15I just think that people feel like they're getting like a league winner in the third round there.
43:21And some of those guys, like if neighbors for whatever reason is falling, Olave, some of those other guys, I just feel
43:28much better about them being my wide receiver one.
43:31If I went like double running back or a running back and the tight end quarterback, if I did something like that,
43:38like I just have less confidence in him carrying my running back room than I do.
43:43I even have, you know, I definitely have more confidence in the guy you're about to talk to to carry my running back room than than Devante Smith.
43:52Yeah. Yeah. Your wide receiver room. Is that what you're saying?
43:56Yeah, that's what I meant. Yeah. No, you're good.
43:59You're good. I got confused because you said it the first time.
44:03I was like, did we shift? Are we talking about something?
44:06No. Okay. Okay. Yeah. No, like as your wide receiver one is shaky, like it could pay off, right?
44:13You know, people are targeting him or pinning him as, you know, this year's JSN.
44:17Is that true? Is that going to happen? I don't know.
44:21We'll see. We'll, we'll see. But yeah, like my fade already spoiled it.
44:25George Pickens here. Wide receiver 10. You have to pay up.
44:29If you want George Pickens on your team, he is going as the 24th overall pick and single QB Lee.
44:35So the end of the second round, you're spending a second round pick on the wide receiver to yeah.
44:41As for the Dallas Cowboys, who are going to be a scoring team.
44:45They're, they're going to put up a lot of points there.
44:49They're in a really good division. They have a really bad defense.
44:53They're going to need to put points on the board as we've seen them do in the past.
44:59Dak Prescott is more than capable of doing that.
45:02There's just a couple of things that are standing in the way for me here.
45:06One is Javante Williams has, has proven that he can be that guy.
45:11He's good, man. And I think that they, they want to lean more on Javante Williams.
45:16It makes Dak Prescott's job easier when he is efficient, running the ball, moving the chains, getting those four yards per carry,
45:23and just keeping them progressing down the field. It opens up the lanes for the wide receivers to get involved here.
45:30But the fact still remains that George Pickens did a lot of the damage he did last year when CD lamb was out of the games, right?
45:38If we look at his game log here in weeks one and two, you know, six points per game, 17.8 per game, 17.8 per game.
45:46That's when CD lamb left. And that's when he really blew up week four, 33 points week, six, 31 points.
45:53CD lamb comes back week seven. He had a three week absence from weeks four to six.
45:58If I'm remembering correctly, his production dips 12 points per game, 15 points per game, 13 points per game.
46:05And then he picks back up with a 29, 29 points per game.
46:09I do think it's reasonable to assume that George Pickens is going to have spike weeks.
46:14He's always had spike weeks. That's, that's not the issue here at all.
46:18I just don't think there's going to be as many as there were last year.
46:23When you have a few of those spike week games coming off of the injury to CD lamb and his high ankle sprain.
46:30There's also just the fact that they have a more capable wide receiver room too.
46:35I mean, you have the, the darling last year that came in, what's the wide receiver three's name?
46:41Ryan Flournoy. Ryan Flournoy. Ryan Flournoy. Who's making splash plays.
46:44Can he come in and make a difference in a spread offense?
46:48There, there's still a Ferguson that needs to take targets and go around wide receiver.
46:5310 feels like a lot to pay for a wide receiver two on his own team on a second round pick.
47:00Like this to me screams, you know, the Devonta Smith of 2024 or the T Higgins of 2025, these wide receiver two
47:07on their teams where everything falls their way and their production spiked in the year prior.
47:12And because of that, their ADP and their draft capital in the next year climbs because of it.
47:18You're getting guys, you know, like the T Higgins, um, at the end of the third round.
47:23So to me, T Higgins and George Pickens should be a same level of, of draft capital here that I want to
47:30invest in them, except you're paying a round ahead for George Pickens.
47:34Give me guys like Nico Collins over George Pickens.
47:37Give me, you know, I'll take a swing on a lava.
47:41Give me Devonta Smith. Like I said, I'm probably going to be a good one.
47:46I'm probably even going to take Malik neighbors over him for better or worse.
47:50Malik neighbors should probably be on this fadeless, but I can't quit Malik.
47:54Please be good. Malik. Please be good. I mean, I think the biggest thing for Malik is definitely like what happens with
48:01Jackson Dart and that, um, you know, coaching and, uh, yeah, the naggy problem.
48:06He's got a nagging problem there. But I mean, I think if you took Pickens and Devonta Smith, who do you think
48:13has a possibility to finish higher, like ultimate ceiling, whatever you need to take and take out that means CD gets hurt or that means, et cetera.
48:22Like who do you think generally has like the ability to come out as the, the highest ceiling?
48:28I mean, it's, it's George Pickens. If we're saying that everything has to fall right where CD lamb gets hurt.
48:34Right. Like it's just a more high flying offense, but it's like, you can't factor that in here.
48:40Like, that's not fair to say like all health included Devonta Smith, you know, nine times out of 10 is going to
48:47finish with, with the higher ceiling here. I feel like.
48:50Yeah. I mean, I think you're kind of drafting him near the floor.
48:54Like I wouldn't be too surprised, but I guess, you know, something like that could be said for Devonta Smith, I just,
49:02I don't know, one's an Eagle and one's a cowboy real in-depth analysis here.
49:06No, it's not that. I just, I, I, when I look at the way Devonta Smith wins, how he racks up points,
49:13it just doesn't seem as conductive as like having the high ceiling that Pickens does.
49:18Like I, it's hard for me to see a game where Devonta Smith has like two, like a Jamar chase, like two touchdowns at like 170 something yards.
49:27Like that for Pickens seems like very within whether, uh, CD lambs playing or not.
49:32Um, it seems like very, uh, possible. I think this year too, when this offense and them playing together, I think you're
49:39definitely going to have more of a one game for CD one game for Pickens, but I think it's definitely has a higher ceiling than Piggins.
49:47I definitely wouldn't call Pickens like the second, uh, number two there.
49:51I would definitely call them like one, a one B Batman, Robin, like very much like closer than Higgins and chase where
49:58I think there's definitely a step of difference there in some of these other rooms.
50:03But, you know, I definitely think you're paying a high price tag for Pickens.
50:08He's definitely not like the selection I'm making there.
50:11It obviously depends. Like, did I go running, running back, running back?
50:14Do I have a wide receiver? Is he going to be my wide receiver too?
50:19Like if I, for whatever reason, I went like hero running back, I got, um, you know, Gibbs or, or B.
50:26John in the first, and then I went, uh, you know, a wide receiver and then like a Justin Jefferson or for
50:33whatever reason I got, I don't know, um, AJ Brown.
50:36And then I can turn around and pick, uh, Pickens as my second wide receiver.
50:41I do love, I would love something like that.
50:44Well, that makes one of us. All right. Enough, enough hating on Georgie here, man.
50:49Who is your, and actually, you know what? Let's, let's take a quick break and then we'll come back with, uh, your
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52:26All right. Welcome back. Jose, lead us off here with your second fade of the 2026 players to stiff arm.
52:33Yeah, I mean, we could just call this segment not to, you know, so foreshadowing for you as well.
52:39But, you know, stiff arming the Arizona Cardinals into the ground here.
52:43But, yeah, mine's going to be Jeremiah Love from the Arizona Cardinals.
52:47Again, I think he's an extremely talented prospect. I think if you're in Dynasty and you got him, I think you're going to be feeling all right.
52:55Like, I don't think he's going to horribly derail your ability to get a higher pick next year.
53:01Like, he's not going to score so many points that he takes you completely out of a top five pick.
53:08I think we've heard it all season, offseason long, about they like Algier.
53:12It's going to be a committee. It's going to be this, that.
53:16Jeremiah Love has a lot to learn, et cetera, et cetera.
53:19So he's an elite prospect that's being priced as though the elite NFL production has already happened.
53:25Keeping consistent with the overvalued, like we're sorry, this is kind of with consistency from our overvalued or undervalued show where you had him as overvalued.
53:33You know, the market hasn't really changed and corrected itself.
53:36I think right now he's going as the running back 13 and he's kind of at the end of the second, early
53:43third, which is kind of what we were talking about before where like a ton of the players in that range are
53:50just guys that I'm not a super fan of.
53:53Like, we continue to talk about the two running backs in the first four rounds.
53:58Like, I'm not reaching on Jeremiah Love just to get that done.
54:02Like, if he's one of the other guys because, you know, a Jacobs, a Brees Hall, a Javante Williams.
54:08Like, I'd much rather wait if I can and get Javante Williams almost, you know, eight picks, ten picks later.
54:15If somehow Scatterbo is another guy that I can get maybe a whole round later.
54:20I'm definitely doing that than taking Jeremiah Love. I think we've kind of forgot what happened with Ashton Gentry last year.
54:26Like, a great running back on a horrible offense means that they either have to be like extremely special, catch, you know,
54:3360, 70, 80 targets or, you know, just somehow fall into the end zone enough times.
54:39And when the offense is bad, it just doesn't give them enough chances.
54:43And that's kind of what, you know, the Cardinals kind of project to be.
54:47Like, another team that's fighting for the 101 again.
54:50You're talking about that, you know, his quarterback is, his quarterback room is Jacoby Brissett with Gardner Minshew, I think, in the back.
54:58It's not like he went, you know, to play with Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, something like that.
55:03So, I just feel like did we not learn anything from what happened with Ashton Gentry last year?
55:09And, you know, like, Jeremiah Love might be incredible.
55:12That's not the argument. Like, my question is why am I paying second round or early third round prices to find out?
55:19So, we're drafting a rookie running back around, running back for 13 before he's taken one NFL carry in an offense with Jacoby Reset at quarterback.
55:27Like, Love has to be really good, really fast just to return the value.
55:32And I think there's definitely other running backs in that range that I would rather have.
55:37Yeah, that's the real argument to me here is, like you said, give me Javante Williams.
55:42Give me Breece Hall. Give me a non-legal problem.
55:45Jacobs. I was like, we're non-legal? We're about to get shut down.
55:49The stream's over. I mean, the show's over, guys.
55:52It was a good run. Careful how you finish that sentence, J-Mac.
55:56Yeah, man. I mean, there's a ton of guys that I would rather take over him.
56:01I guess the one argument right for him when we're talking about this Ashton Gentry, we're not drafting him where Ashton Gentry was going last year.
56:09So, like, Ashton Gentry was, you know, essentially where he's at now.
56:13Was at the end of a first-round pick. Like, and he wasn't bad last year.
56:18Like, he was the running back 12. I want to say he was, like, an RB1 last year.
56:24Or if not, an RB1 just outside of an RB1.
56:27But it still felt bad because you spent your first-round pick on him.
56:31So, this feels different, though. This does not feel the same.
56:35Like, the Raiders were bad last year. But there was actually, like, going into the season, there was a lot of hope for the Raiders to be good.
56:44But Geno Smith was heading the team with his good buddy Pete Carroll, who had had success with him in Seattle.
56:51Brock Bowers was, you know, the guy coming off the hottest rookie season ever.
56:55They even had Jacoby Myers, who was kind of this superiorly underrated wide receiver who just got it done for them.
57:02There was a lot of hope for them last year.
57:05And I think that's kind of why Ashton Gentry was being drafted as high as he was.
57:11But that is just not the case surrounding them, right?
57:14I mean, a lot of people are just saying that the Cardinals are going to be a ton of regression candidates.
57:21Like you said, you have the quarterback narrative where it's Brissette to start but probably not Brissette to finish.
57:27We didn't even mention Carson Beck, who is the rookie quarterback that is probably going to see some playing time here.
57:34And that is not what you want for an offense.
57:37As a rookie to be coming in his first season, trying to command an offense, moving the chains is just, it's not going to feel great.
57:45And I think that's a big reason why people are fading Arizona Cardinals here, like Jeremiah Love, like Atrey McBride, and like
57:52the next guy that I want to talk about here.
57:56But give me your closing thoughts here on this before we move into him.
58:00No, I mean, I think, you know, it was saying that the fantasy community didn't learn anything.
58:06It seems, you know, it's learned something. I just think there's also way more mouths to feed.
58:11You know, there's way more target getters. Michael Wilson's a draft darling, the guy you're going to talk about, and obviously Trey McBride.
58:18But I think Jente had like 75 targets last year, caught 50-something and scored five touchdowns.
58:24Like Jeremiah Love would have to have that. And he's got an Algier problem.
58:28I mean, we've seen Algier take super elite running backs off the field.
58:32Yeah, for sure. You know, Jeremiah, and I just didn't even mention this.
58:37I'm not even sure why. But, I mean, Jeremiah Love is also injured with an ankle injury.
58:42So I guess we're just picking on young running backs with ankle injuries.
58:46I don't know why. Screw them. They deserve it.
58:49Exactly. You know, he doesn't need surgery. So that's, you know, a great news.
58:54But it is a high ankle, and he might not be even ready for week one.
58:59So on top of being a rookie, on top of already saying that, you know, they're going to split time or that,
59:06you know, Tyler Aguirre is going to get some work.
59:09You know, he's going to be behind on the playbook, and he's going to start slow from the injury.
59:15So those are all things I should have mentioned, not at the closing.
59:20But anyways, here we go. Let's dump on some more Cardinals.
59:23Yeah, the one Cardinal we do want to dump on here is the third year Marvin Harrison Jr.
59:29And this one feels bad, man, because I feel like coming in to this offseason, people were so down on Marvin Harrison Jr.
59:36And I thought I was going to be in.
59:39I was like, you know what, man? He's going to be so cheap.
59:43This guy, he's got the draft capital. Third year breakout.
59:47People are just, you know, so eager to see these guys break out in year two now that they just get out on them.
59:54And then they end up becoming, at least in Dynasty, Marvin Harrison Jr.'s stock did not plummet as far as I thought it was going to be.
60:03He was still going in like fifth, sixth round of Dynasty startups, which is fine.
60:08That's not great. But we've been saying it all season.
60:11The fifth and sixth round of Dynasty startups are rich with talent.
60:15And Marvin Harrison Jr. is just not one of those bets I want to take considering the other players that will be taken around him.
60:23The same is said here in redraft. It's, it's, the price is a lot better.
60:28It's wide receiver 31, if I'm not mistaken, right?
60:31He's, he's down here. There he is. 72nd overall pick.
60:34So that's the end of the sixth round going around wide receivers like Parker Washington, Mike Evans is wide receivers in front of them.
60:42And then the wide receivers behind them are Carnell Tate and Brian Thomas Jr.
60:46Still, it doesn't make things better. This is almost exactly who you were choosing between in Dynasty startups was between these guys.
60:53And honestly, like give me Carnell Tate over Marvin Harrison Jr.
60:57I'll take the unknown upside with my sixth round pick over someone who's just shown us for two seasons that he just
61:04can't command the targets and get it done. Even as highly drafted as he was in the 2024 draft.
61:10You know what, man? I'm buying the Parker Washington hype.
61:13Give me Parker Washington over Mars, Marvin Harrison Jr.
61:16I think the trajectory of the Jaguars offense is only pointing up and Parker Washington is seemingly leading that trajectory.
61:23And now we have Jacoby Myers who's injured, which only means good things for Parker Washington and probably Brian Thomas Jr.
61:30If you want to take that shot, give me Brian Thomas Jr.
61:34as my wide receiver three over Marvin Harrison Jr.
61:36as my wide receiver three. It's just, this is almost like a vibes based thing too, because in training camp, he's been dropping passes.
61:44Like Michael Wilson has been outshining him. Is Michael Wilson good?
61:48I don't know. Probably not. But the fact that he's looking better than Marvin training camp can't, can't speak good things for Marvin Harrison Jr.
61:56here. I just, like I said, it's just a vibes thing, man.
62:00There's more that you could put on this too, right?
62:03Like, is there going to be enough targets? Like if, if they do decrease in the number of snaps that they have, right?
62:10I think it was up in the 600s of pass attempts last year.
62:15If they do regress down to the league average of around like 530, 550, right around there.
62:20And he's only commanding an 8%, 18% target share.
62:23That's not great, Bob. Like we're talking about like a hundred targets for Marvin Harrison Jr.
62:28I mean, last year he had 73. That doesn't seem right.
62:32A hundred targets on 500. That, that math may be not coming together.
62:36And as I, as well as I thought it was 50, 90 targets.
62:40Yeah. I don't know, man. I, where are you at with Marvin Harrison Jr.?
62:45Is it, is it as bleak as I'm at with him?
62:48Or are you drafting him anywhere? No. I mean, like if it's in the seventh round, it always, always like comes down to, um, to the build.
62:57Like if he's like a third wide receiver, I think he does have more upshot than some of the guys you're mentioning that he's going around.
63:05Um, like Parker Washington, DK Metcalf, Christian Watson, Carnell Tate.
63:08Like I do think that he has, um, uh, more upside.
63:12Like if he does put it together and we get like the JSN sort of like third year.
63:18Um, I mean, he was hurt last year, which is, I think is something that people are maybe taking into account, especially in dynasty.
63:26They're kind of giving him a pass. I mean, um, he didn't really play from week like 10.
63:31I think he came back a little bit and then like barely, um, played a few more games down the stretch.
63:38So he pretty much just didn't do much. And it wasn't horrible.
63:42If, if you take the first 10 games, you're looking at, uh, you know, roughly scoring 12 plus fantasy points.
63:48Most there was like three or four games that were pretty bad in there, but, um, Kyler was also playing pretty horrible last year.
63:56I mean, he ended up getting benched. We're hoping, you know, that turns around in, uh, Minnesota.
64:02But I, I don't know. I, it's hard to think that the NFL and everybody just got it so wrong.
64:08Like is he, is he just, he just can't play football.
64:12Like he was so good in college comes from the pedigree that he came from.
64:17Everybody expected him to be this, this guy that was going to be like the next, you know, big thing is, can
64:24we really have gotten it so wrong? Like the NFL and everybody fantasy community, it does feel without, you know, trying to retread too much.
64:32Like the JSN thing, like he's supposed to be elite.
64:35He's supposed to be this, that like he was hurt.
64:38He was this, then, you know, did they finally get the right coach?
64:42Like, did they finally write, find the right thing?
64:45Like, are they going to find the right way to use him?
64:49They're not pairing him with a good quarterback to at least help with that.
64:54Um, in, in terms of that, like, I think he barely played with Jacoby Brissett last year.
64:59So we don't really know how that chemistry is going to come into play.
65:04I think right when I think Jacoby Brissett took over like week six.
65:08So they got like three games in together. And in those three games, Marvin Harrison was decent against Dallas, which everybody was
65:15great with, um, against Dallas and then against Seattle, who's a pretty good, um, defense.
65:20Marvin Harrison was okay. He scored a touchdown and had 12 targets.
65:24Like, I mean, the games he played with Jacoby had 10 and 12 targets before getting hurt.
65:29So I don't know, like maybe he sees enough passes.
65:32Maybe he sees, um, enough volume, but like you're saying, like in that range, like if you think that he's doesn't have
65:40that ceiling, then why not just take Michael Wilson, his teammate a whole like round later?
65:45Right. He's got like Michael Wilson's going in the eighth Chris Godwin, who's rising up boards right now.
65:51He's going around like almost two rounds later. Like if it's my wide receiver three, um, and I don't need a ton of upside.
65:58Cause maybe I've already made those plays earlier, um, to give me like the safe floor of a Godwin give me the
66:05safe, um, you know, safer floor of like, I don't know, a QJ or somebody like that.
66:11Right. Like, uh, if you're in on the chargers offense.
66:14Yeah. I mean, right. It feels like a similar bet, but with a better situation and a better quarterback in general too.
66:21I, I too, as you were talking to her, I thought about Matt Waldman, which is, he puts out the rookie scouting
66:28profile every year, which is not only used by all the major fantasy analysts, but it's used a lot too, by NFL teams.
66:36Like they, they use his scouting process to, to look at these rookies coming in to, to evaluate the, their prospects.
66:43And he was out on Marvin Harrison jr. He did not like Marvin Harrison jr.
66:47Coming in as a 2024 Malik neighbors was the number one overall.
66:51I think he even had Roma Dunze over Marvin Harrison jr.
66:55And it, it, the thing that he always talks about the most is how he catches the football, which he wants to
67:02use his body to catch the football, which is, I guess, um, the calling card of his dad, Marvin Harrison senior, who, who did a lot of that.
67:11So it makes sense that he's catching like that, but there's, he's seen very few wide receivers be successful in the NFL, catching the ball like that.
67:20And maybe it just makes a ton of sense why we haven't seen him kind of put it all together.
67:26And maybe that's why you can go on Google right now and Google Marvin Harrison jr.
67:31And you can see a full minute of him dropping passes in training camp, just one after another.
67:37I don't know, man. Like I said, this is mostly a vibes take.
67:41I don't really have a lot of stats to kind of pad behind it, but I'm just out on Marvin Harrison jr.
67:48At the cost that you have to get them.
67:51Like you said, there's just so many better picks around him behind him that just feel safer or, or that also have
67:58a similar upside, but are just in better situations.
68:01So sorry, Marvin Harrison jr. But yeah, man, I think it's definitely one of those.
68:06Um, where he has the upside still. I still think he does have that if the Cardinals can be good.
68:13I mean, obviously if Jeremiah love is on this list and, and Marvin Harrison jr.
68:17Is on this list, we don't predict the Cardinals are going to be that great of a team.
68:23So if they aren't, it's just hard to see, you know, him returning that sort of value or just even having that
68:30safe floor week to week that you want to start them, right?
68:34If there's a lineup league, you don't really want that, you know, level wide receiver where you're drafting him to be a question mark every week.
68:43Like, Oh, do I need to start Marvin Harrison jr?
68:46Like what, what am I going to do? You know what I mean?
68:50So, um, I definitely, uh, agree with you on the take.
68:54Yeah. I've, I've been in that situation where the last two years I've drafted Marvin Harrison jr.
68:59In a couple of redraft leagues and every week it's like, am I really going to start this other guy over in Marvin Harrison jr right now?
69:08And like 80% of the time it was the right decision.
69:11So this year I'm just going to take that decision off my hands and, uh, leave it, leave it for somebody else.
69:18It was funny. We were doing a keeper league in our office this year and I drafted him in that league.
69:25And, you know, the, the commissioner was kind of poking fun at me.
69:29He's like, you know, you can make Marvin Harrison jr.
69:33Your keeper who I drafted in the fourth round.
69:36And I was like, or I could just not keep them and draft them two rounds later.
69:41Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Uh, so I'm done burying, uh, Marvin Harrison jr.
69:45Here, man. Should we hit the outro here and get on out of here?
69:49Yeah, let's do it. Let's do it. Thanks guys for sticking with us.
69:54Um, I appreciate you all. Thanks for tuning in.
69:57Hopefully you liked our fates. We had a little bit of fun with this episode, man.
70:02This was a good one. So Jose, I love you, man.
70:05Thanks for hanging out with me. Yeah, man. Uh, I love you too, Jamek.
70:10And this was a fun episode. Yeah, man. These sorts of kind of hottest takes are always fun.
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