The FF Dynasty - UPDATED Dynasty WR Rankings + Tiers
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46 min
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Jun 14, 2026
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Sun, June 14, 2026
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A.J. BrownZay FlowersCeeDee LambGeorge PickensAmon-Ra St. BrownCarnell TateChris OlaveDrake LondonDrake MayeElijah SarrattEmeka EgbukaGarrett WilsonJa'Marr ChaseJustin Jefferson
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A.J. Brown
PositiveProjection0:42
AJ Brown should be ranked higher in dynasty WR rankings given his hand-in-glove fit with Drake Maye, who is one of the best deep ball passers in the league (sixth in deep throw percentage weeks 11-18, eighth in air yards). The Patriots offense will attack vertically, creating great fantasy seasons despite age-related discounting.
Insight pagePositiveRole0:43
AJ Brown is locked in as the Patriots' wide receiver one, securing a clear primary role in the offense.
Insight pagePositiveValue0:44
AJ Brown is being discounted in dynasty rankings due to age-related concerns, but the analyst believes he should be valued higher and represents a buying opportunity for contenders.
Insight pageAmon-Ra St. Brown
PositiveProjection0:03
Amon-Ra St. Brown is ranked WR5 in consensus dynasty rankings and is described as one of the safest assets in the wide receiver pool.
Insight pageCarnell Tate
PositiveProjection0:18
Carnell Tate is ranked WR14, the first rookie on the board, and one analyst prefers him over George Pickens but wants to see him prove he is the number one guy.
Insight pageCeeDee Lamb
PositiveProjection0:08
Ranked WR7, CeeDee Lamb is expected to dominate targets with 145-150 projected targets and maintain a floor of WR7 if healthy, with 2-4 more elite fantasy seasons ahead in his prime at age 27.
Insight pagePositiveValue0:10
Despite recent injury concerns and some fading in the market, CeeDee Lamb is closer in talent to Jamar Chase than to George Pickens and should not be avoided in dynasty builds.
Insight pageChris Olave
Drake London
PositiveProjection0:08
Drake London is ranked WR8 in consensus rankings, with one analyst staying steadfastly high on him.
Insight pageDrake Maye
PositiveProjection0:42
Drake Maye is one of the best deep ball passers in the league (sixth in deep throw percentage weeks 11-18, eighth in air yards) with excellent accuracy metrics for aggressive vertical attacks, creating ceiling outcomes for his receivers.
Insight pageElijah Sarratt
PositiveRole0:20
Elijah Surratt is expected to come in and play a role in the Ravens offense but is not viewed as a serious threat to Zay Flowers' target dominance.
Insight pageEmeka Egbuka
Garrett Wilson
George Pickens
NegativeProjection0:12
George Pickens is ranked WR13 with significant disparity among analysts (ranked 38th overall by one, 56th by another), reflecting concerns about contract security and potential off-field issues despite strong on-field performance.
Insight pagePositiveProjection0:13
One analyst remains bullish on George Pickens at WR13, believing he has wide receiver one overall capabilities and that staying in Dallas or landing with a stable team keeps his value high, with a floor of top-15 WR on a points-per-game basis.
Insight pageJa'Marr Chase
PositiveProjection0:02
Jamar Chase is ranked WR1 in consensus dynasty rankings among the three analysts.
Insight pageJustin Jefferson
PositiveValue0:08
Justin Jefferson is ranked WR6 and is noted as having a 'soft spot' where he could potentially be bought at a discount, similar to how St. Brown was viewed last year.
Insight pageKyle Williams
PositiveRole0:44
Kyle Williams has shown in his first year that he's being called on as more of a deep threat, contributing to the Patriots' solid receiving core.
Insight pageMark Andrews
NegativeRole0:19
Mark Andrews' decline is cited as a factor that opens up more opportunities for Zay Flowers in the Ravens offense.
Insight pagePuka Nacua
PositiveProjection0:02
Puka Nakua is ranked WR3 in consensus dynasty rankings, placing him in the top tier.
Insight pageRashod Bateman
PositiveRole0:20
Despite being paid, Rashad Bateman has not delivered consistent production and is not viewed as a threat to Zay Flowers' target share in the Ravens offense.
Insight pageStefon Diggs
NegativeProjection0:43
At 32 years old, Stefan Diggs is less of a threat than AJ Brown at this stage of his career, making AJ Brown a more exciting dynasty prospect despite the age concerns.
Insight pageZay Flowers
PositiveProjection0:18
Zay Flowers is ranked WR15 with one analyst ranking him 39th overall (vs. 57th by another), projecting him as a potential WR1 with healthy Lamar Jackson and new coordinator Declan Doyle.
Insight pagePositiveRole0:19
With the arrival of coordinator Declan Doyle and healthy Lamar Jackson, Zay Flowers is expected to fill multiple roles (Luther Burden, Mon Ross, St. Brown, Roma Duns) with no serious target competition, potentially receiving 140+ targets.
Insight pagePositiveProjection0:21
Zay Flowers finished as WR7 overall last year despite an up-and-down season with no Lamar Jackson, and with healthy Lamar and Declan Doyle's scheme, he could spike a high touchdown output and become a top receiver in yards after the catch.
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0:52What is good? We're back. We've got top 24 dynasty wide receivers for your pleasure.
0:57We're going to go through these guys and we're going to use our consensus rankings.
1:01So between the three of us, me, Shev, and Jeremiah, this would be the consensus.
1:06And then we'll stop on any guys that are kind of in the news cycle that we want to hit on, like
1:13a Neighbors or a Rashi Rice or maybe an A.J.
1:16Brown. And then we'll also talk about kind of where our biggest differences are and kind of, you know, as Shev has coined it, explain yourself.
1:24You know, so we're going to talk. That's going to be kind of where we have our talking points and where we
1:31stop and talk and figure out kind of where we're at and why.
1:35And maybe we'll move some guys around by the end of it, because that's what the point of the rankings is, right?
1:42Talk about it. How do you feel about it?
1:44It's always a tough process. Anybody who's in here and is telling you confidently that they have all these guys like, I don't believe you.
1:52I don't believe nothing because I could change a ranking in a day.
1:56Just, you know, it's a tough it's a tough deal.
1:59It's a tough nut to crack, if you will, to really dial this in and get it just right.
2:05But, you know, a lot of factors, age, value, ecosystem, health.
2:09So a lot of things to play into that, how you build, how your roster is built, so many things.
2:15And you're never going to get it all encompassing in one ranking, which is why I have such a tough time with it.
2:22So anyway, Shev, how are you doing today? Oh, yeah.
2:25About to rise to the top of the rankings.
2:28Yeah. I love it. I love it. I'm excited.
2:31Let's jump into it. So right off the rip, WR1 in consensus.
2:34Jeremiah is on vacation, so shout out to him.
2:37So that's why he's not here having this conversation with us.
2:40Jamar Chase, WR1 consensus between the three of us.
2:43Wide receiver two, JSN, and then wide receiver three, Puka Nakua.
2:47And so this automatically puts them in tiers when we break them into this, judging by our consensus rankings.
2:53And so those would kind of be your tier one, essentially.
2:56Next, we have Malik Neighbors coming in at WR4.
2:59And then I'm in Ross St. Brown coming in at WR5.
3:02That would kind of be the tier that automatically throws these guys in for us.
3:07So Malik Neighbors. I've moved him maybe two spots, and I just moved him back behind.
3:12And this is, you know, if it's tight end premium, which is what these particular ones are based on, if we're doing
3:19it, if we look at it overall, I just moved him behind Brock Bowers and McBride, just because I feel very safe and secure about those guys.
3:27I like Neighbors. But with the knee injury and stuff, I'm not ready to just move him back and quit him and be like, I'm out.
3:35I think he's going to be terrible. Look, if he misses four to six games this year, that's fine with me.
3:41Like, I don't care. Like, I just, you just got to get my man right.
3:46I tend to believe that 90% of the time these guys are going to come back better than how they left.
3:53Now, there's been a little complication. And once the echo chamber starts going, and then there's videos of him barely being able to do this or that.
4:01And then because he was at some charity softball game or whatever that may have, you know, he couldn't even, then there's
4:08other clips where he looks fine, right? People are going to make things up however they want.
4:13That's the age we live in. Information doesn't need to be correct.
4:17It doesn't need to be right. Everyone's got an opinion.
4:20It's like an asshole. But, you know, at the end of the day, I don't, I don't know whether or not Malik
4:27Neighbors is going to be right or wrong. I'm just going off of what I've seen overall in the 10, 12 years
4:33I've been doing this, that usually this works out to be okay.
4:37So, Shev, how are you playing the Malik Neighbors situation?
4:40We've created the fear mongering about not being ready to run around the bases in May of 2026.
4:46It's created a generational buying opportunity on this side of the dirt, ladies and gentlemen.
4:51And the thing with it is we're talking about Malik Neighbors at nearly 23 years old.
4:55He had a procedure where, I mean, he had a really, really traumatic knee injury, but we've seen time and again, people
5:02come back and recover from these things. And we don't think it's going to have any sort of long-term impact on his career.
5:09So, you know, you could be living in, you know, living in trepidation and fear.
5:14If I would be much more, much more down on Malik Neighbors, if this was something to do with like off the
5:21field stuff, then it would be this injury in particular.
5:24So, if he's not ready week one, what does that mean for you in 2027?
5:29What does that mean for you in 2028? Is he never going to be ready?
5:33Do we think that this is an actual career-threatening injury?
5:36Has anybody given any sort of indication whatsoever that this is something that he could never recover from?
5:42Right. So, in the dynasty market, unless you're just saying, hey, now, the answer, your answer has to change, your rankings have to change.
5:49If you're saying, we're going to lose Malik Neighbors for all of 2026, then you have to bake in some sort of discount.
5:56But no one is saying that. We just came off of a season in 2024 where Puka was basically the wide receiver
6:03two in points per game, but he only played over 30% of the snaps in nine games.
6:09And he still maintained dynasty value, still probably within the – it was questionable whether or not he was in the top
6:15five for some people going into 2025. And then now that's obviously been solidified.
6:20So, with Malik Neighbors, I've kind of come to – made peace with the fact that I might only get like nine,
6:27maybe ten games, maybe eight games from Malik Neighbors in 2026.
6:30And I will be raring to go if he enters into 2027 healthy.
6:34If this turns into something where it's like, oh, well, he got hurt again or something happened, now he's injury prone.
6:40Like, Keenan Allen, when he was labeled injury prone because he got a lacerated kidney and he tore his ACL, right?
6:47And then he rattled off like five straight years not missing a game.
6:51So, all that said, this long soliloquy has been, guys, if you can go get Malik Neighbors for two first-round picks, do it right now today.
6:59I pulled it off in a couple of my dynasty leagues and I could not have been happier about it.
7:05I am aggressively buying Malik Neighbors because of this injury discount.
7:09Like, we won't be thinking about this the minute that he's back on the field and he looks good and he's healthy.
7:15All of that goes away and your buy window is gone.
7:19So, I'm taking this as an opportunity to acquire Malik Neighbors.
7:22I don't have any problems long-term with him. I just, I can't bring myself to be just panicking the streets about Malik Neighbors.
7:29Yeah. No, I'm with you. That's, like I said, I've only moved him back like two spots because I feel safer about
7:36those guys in tight end premium, the two tight ends that is.
7:40So, I'm with you. I know me and Big Co.
7:43had a lengthy discussion about it and both of us kind of saw it sit the same way that you did.
7:50So, you know, Malik Neighbors coming in at wide receiver four and then Aminra St.
7:54Brown coming in at wide receiver five. And that would kind of be the third tier or the second tier rather for the receivers.
8:02And this is just, this is basically our system puts it in a tiering due to our consensus rankings here.
8:08So, that would be kind of your tier two.
8:11And then in tier three, you're getting Justin Jefferson at wide receiver six.
8:15You're getting CeeDee Lamb at wide receiver seven. And you're getting Drake London at wide receiver eight.
8:20You know, you just mentioned a generational buying opportunity on Malik Neighbors.
8:24We had a little bit of a soft spot for St.
8:27Brown last year because we didn't know and that worked out fine.
8:31And St. Brown just continues to be one of the safest assets.
8:34Justin Jefferson has now got a soft spot where you could potentially be buying him.
8:39And CeeDee Lamb seems like the clamps are a little loose on him too, right?
8:44Yes. Right? Yes. It is wonderful. People genuinely believe, and shout out to our boy Joseph at Quality Stats.
8:50He alluded to the fact that PFF, who he works for, has a very similar grade between George Pickens and CeeDee Lamb.
8:56Going into the year, 2025, we all thought that there was kind of a difference.
9:01We all believe that there's a difference in talent level, but CeeDee Lamb got hurt, right?
9:06And George Pickens showed the type of, like, we got close to a ceiling outcome.
9:11I don't even think it's a ceiling outcome. But, like, I think he has wide receiver one overall capabilities.
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10:01People are starting to fade CeeDee Lamb. They think that that's a true one-to-one hey, but they think it's more so just
10:08having two Jamar Chases instead of having a Tee Higgins and Jamar Chase.
10:12And I think George Pickens is better than Tee Higgins, but I think that CeeDee Lamb is closer to Jamar Chase than he is George Pickens.
10:20And so him operating and dominating from the slot, George Pickens frees him up to do so and vice versa.
10:26So I think CeeDee Lamb is going to dominate targets.
10:29I think he's going to get another 145, 150 targets.
10:32He won't get to 181 like he did in his wide receiver one overall season.
10:37But we're still talking about a guy whose floor, if he's healthy, is wide receiver seven, maybe, on a season-in, season-out basis.
10:44And he's in basically the prime of his career.
10:47I know people are going to start saying that, ah, CeeDee Lamb doesn't fit my build.
10:52But guys, don't be ridiculous. Yeah, I mean, look, if you're rebuilding and you're bad, I get it.
10:57But a 27-year-old elite receiver is still going to put up two to four more elite fantasy seasons.
11:03I think the age cliff is starting to even tick up a little bit.
11:07You're getting an extra year with the elite players at the elite positions for the most part.
11:12So CeeDee Lamb and Justin Jefferson are coming in there.
11:15And then Drake London, wide receiver eight rounds that tier out.
11:19And again, guys, we all have our own tiers and have our own guy.
11:23It's hard when three of us come in here and try to give you a tier-by-tier breakdown.
11:29And then it's like, I got this guy in this tier.
11:32And I got this guy. That's why we're using the consensus and letting the system kind of make this up for us a little bit.
11:40You can come to the website and see how we have all these players tiered up and ranked and all that stuff.
11:46But just to explain it a little bit more, this is a general overall.
11:51This is us three combining our rankings and then the system kind of putting it in a tier.
11:56And then Drake London at eight, you stay steadfast pretty high on him.
12:00You're definitely the highest on Drake London there. So he comes in at wide receiver eight.
12:05Then wide receiver nine in a tier by himself, made by the computer.
12:09Teddero McMillan comes in at wide receiver nine. So I would obviously probably just slide him into the next tier or Drake
12:16London and him into a tier and slide Jefferson and CD up into that other tier.
12:21If I was doing this by myself, neighbors, Aminra, Jefferson, and Lamb would probably be all together up there.
12:27And I'd slide Drake and Ted either together by themselves or down with these next guys.
12:32But that's neither here nor there. So Ted McMillan, wide receiver nine.
12:36At wide receiver ten, we're coming in with Garrett Wilson in the consensus rankings.
12:40Then Chris Olave, Emeka Egbuka at wide receiver 12.
12:43And then George Pickens comes in at wide receiver 13.
12:46This is one of the bigger disparities, discrepancies that we have amongst Shev and I.
12:51Shev comes in with him at overall player 38 and I'm overall 56.
12:55So if anybody's been listening to the pod for a while, you know how bullish you've been on GP.
13:00And we've been, since he's been a rookie, been kind of giving him plenty of love.
13:05But at this point, I think I would just, and again, he's done nothing wrong off the field.
13:11I just, I feel like it's gotten a little high to where the point of I would probably cash out, which we
13:18already talked about this in another episode. But you're staying pretty steadfast in the high ranking of George Pickens.
13:24Yeah. Yes. I mean, now that we've seen, here's the thing.
13:27If he goes, if he stays in Dallas, then this is, his value can go higher.
13:32If he goes somewhere else, I mean, he's going to get 30 plus million dollars a year in free agency.
13:38There's only a few places that would be willing to pay him that.
13:42I mean, the jets are now off the list.
13:45The Browns are probably off the list. Those are two of the places where, you know, it's like, no, no land.
13:52You don't want anybody to go. He's not going back to Pittsburgh.
13:55So you're ruling out a bunch of the uncertain situations that we would normally downgrade him for.
14:01And I had to do some soul searching about this because I do really think that I do really believe that you
14:07could get out of this business now. Like I sold him for Kenneth Walker in a league.
14:13You can get out of the business, but also I don't think the value goes back to where he's just giving you
14:19wide receiver three production and kind of being, you know, a headache and around 10 points a game with potential spike weeks.
14:26If he scores a touchdown, right. And he was as steady as he was last year.
14:31So my issue is that I could take him into the same tier as Ted or all McMillan.
14:37You know, if, if we get some long-term contract security, we may, we can make sure that he's tied to a situation at just a situation neutral quarterback.
14:45I mean, this is a dude who looked like a superstar with Mason Rudolph throwing them passes.
14:51So I, I'm not going to, I'm, I would like to have him higher to be honest with you.
14:57I would do. I think from what we saw, obviously we saw him come in at, at WR five.
15:03I believe it was last year. Um, we saw what he can do, what he can put together if he's in the
15:09right system, uh, with the right quarterback. And obviously, you know, CD lamb had to step out for a minute, uh, to,
15:16to kind of really build that up. Right. Cause at first it was a little like, but then, you know, CD getting
15:23out of there and them being able to do different things with GP, I think helped that whole situation.
15:29We'll see if there's a long-term contract. I think you mentioned it on maybe the last night show of just like, have
15:36you ever seen a, uh, a guy come out here and perform like George Pickens did and not get a long-term contract
15:42and get, you know, kind of franchise tag like that.
15:46I mean, it's not super typical. Usually somebody figures it out one way or the other.
15:51And that's kind of, that's where you have to, that's why you have to bump him down.
15:56Cause it's like, man, they're all the signs were there.
15:59Like it's not like Antonio Brown, but kind of like Antonio Brown.
16:03I'm like, he's doing, he's starting to do crazy shit and it's just, it's, it's mounting up and all the signs are
16:09there in terms of, Hey, the Cowboys who usually overpay, like they, I mean, but also Jerry is known to just slow
16:16play things and cost himself a lot of money.
16:19Absolutely. So, but again, it doesn't go to zero.
16:22It could go back to a not so good, low volume, uncertain quarterback situation, which is about the worst you want for any single, any single fantasy receiver.
16:30But if he stays somewhere where it's just neutral, we're talking probably a top 15 wide receiver on an, on a points per game basis floor.
16:39So what are we doing? Right. Yeah. No, I, I think I would just, I like the safety of, if I can
16:45trade them in for some of the higher end players, I'm okay with it.
16:50Um, again, like the player, I just, and maybe the Cowboys and maybe the Cowboys are saying, um, Hey, you know, we
16:56got a lot of money out there. We need, we need some stuff to clear off and then maybe figure out how
17:03to restructure Dak or, you know, they got a lot of money tied up in a couple spots.
17:09Yes. Um, so, you know, they also don't have anything really behind him.
17:13It's not like they've got the harboring, like, you know, this, they're not what they didn't do, what like the Ravens just
17:20did or the Browns just did, or they didn't bring in a bunch of guys to kind of, you know, either be
17:27the leaders of the core now or back behind the core waiting a year or two to see what they have here.
17:33They floor noise, the guy they got, you know, but he's not George.
17:37Their third is not even somebody you're like, Ooh, I really am excited about him.
17:42Right. So that, I think that does lean to the fact that maybe they do try to find if Pickens shows up
17:49and doesn't have any, you know, Hey, I'm holding out through all of summer because I want to try to get something.
17:56And he's, he's out there just doing his thing.
17:58I think this situation, um, probably cleans itself up and figures itself out.
18:02And I feel more comfortable with it, but I'm, I'm, I'm slightly, uh, I'm a good bit behind you on where I have them overall.
18:10Like I would, I would probably rather have Carnell Tate, um, just straight up, but I do have some reluctancies with him
18:17a little bit of like, you need to go out here and prove to me that you're, you're the, the number one guy.
18:24I think he's going to, I would like to see it, but I do have, I do have tastes slightly over, over Pickens.
18:31So I understand, I mean, I understand that you get caught four years of contract security and the security of, we both believe in came ward tremendously.
18:40So you think that it's going to go well.
18:42It's just, I just need to have it confirmed by the outcome.
18:46Yeah. Yeah. All right. Um, so Carnell Tate comes in at wide receiver 14 first rookie on the board here.
18:52Then wide receiver 15 is a flowers. And we gotta, we gotta stop again, uh, here because I've been, again, the Zay flowers guy on this pod.
19:01And now all of a sudden you're at 39 overall with them.
19:04I'm at 57 overall. He's coming in at wide receiver 15.
19:08So you're outpacing me on, on Zay. I even moved Zay up a little bit.
19:12Cause I'm the, I'm, I'm low man on them, uh, with the three of us here.
19:17So what gives you the confidence of like, at this point, like we're, we're, you gotta be locked in as they being like a wide receiver one.
19:26And the man is, is, is confidence in Doyle confidence in Lamar that this system is going to run through Zay.
19:32Yes. Yes. Without question. We, the decline of Mark Andrews plus the arrival of Declan Doyle.
19:37And I think he's going to bring a lot of the, the under center, the deep play action crossers, the things that
19:44we've seen do Zay do really well, but he's going to be able to add, you know, a little bit of that
19:51Ben Johnson, you know, the Ben Johnson, the crossers.
19:54I will get more Luther burden S usage out of Zay flowers, which is what he's awesome at, which we've seen him
20:00be really good at, but more just actual wide receiver.
20:04He could, he could fill the roles of Luther burden, Mon Ross, St.
20:08Brown and Roma duns. A. And there's nobody else to threaten him for like seriously for targets.
20:13Do we like Elijah Surratt to come in and play a role?
20:17Yes, absolutely. Do we like Jacoby lane to come in there and do some Spider-Man stuff?
20:22Cause we don't really have anyone like him. We wanted it to be Rashad Bateman.
20:26It hasn't been Rashad Bateman. It's been flashes for Rashad Bateman and he got paid, but it's not anything that's going to
20:33make you think, Hey, I am a threat to Zay flower.
20:36So there's no threats to him in the offense.
20:39I think that, I mean, he was, I believe eighth and target sharing is a 27 or 28% target share last year.
20:46And now we're bringing in a coordinator who we know has, has had some success with the deep play action, you know,
20:53play action game under center, getting Lamar to do that becomes a cheat code because he can, it means the most lethal
21:00running quarterback we've ever seen in terms of efficiency and yardage accumulation.
21:03So the scheme change for me, for Zay flowers, plus him finishing as the wide receiver seven overall in base in a
21:10really, really up and down season with no Lamar.
21:13You give me healthy Lamar. You give me Zay flowers.
21:16You give me Declan Doyle. And that's why I can finally buy into this last year.
21:21You remember, I was just like, I can't buy into Zay flowers because of the touchdown ceiling, but you give him 140 targets with Lamar Jackson.
21:29Then we're talking about him catching 110 balls, being, you know, one of the top receivers in yards after the catch in the lead.
21:36And finally spiking a high touchdown, potentially spiking a high touchdown output.
21:40But if he gives you five to seven touchdowns with 110 receptions for 1400 yards and six touchdowns, you're still going to be happy with that.
21:48And then you have to start slot moving them up a little bit because you've got him tied to an elite quarterback and elite offense with everything.
21:57So I just want to be early to the party.
22:00I, this is kind of the Jamison Williams call from last year.
22:03Yeah. Hey, environments changed. I really like what he has to offer and the skillset.
22:08This is where I think it's going. Yeah. He's, he's the unquestioned or at least should be.
22:13And I think Doyle smart enough to say, this is the unquestioned guy.
22:17Look, we didn't, we didn't even see like a crazy uptick last year.
22:21We just, I mean, in 2024, he saw 116 targets, 2025, 118, still a decent amount of targets.
22:27But like, if we can go up one more rung on that to one 30 or something and we can see, you
22:34know, 90 to close to a hundred receptions, we saw the yardage go way up from, you know, a thousand to 1200 last year.
22:41And the TDs hadn't really, you know, changed that much.
22:44But if, like you said, if we could even just get this, you know, seven or eight, you know, off the five,
22:51but even still, if the volume just increases just a little bit more, you're right.
22:56I mean, and wide receiver seven finished with that.
22:59And before that it was wide receiver 23. So I think the floor now is probably, you know, a two-ish player.
23:05And then the ceiling is we saw it. Like, I think there's, you know, I think seven can be a, just a steady spot where he stays.
23:13Right. I mean, so yeah, I like it. So we're talking overall, overall wide receiver seven just behind Chris Alave.
23:20But Chris Alave did it on 156 targets. Right.
23:22Way more volume. If we split the, if we split the difference here between, you know, and we land somewhere 130, 134, 135 for Zay Flowers.
23:30Do you, you don't think that we get another 100, 100, 110 catches?
23:34Yeah. 14 yards to catch, 1500 yards, six touchdowns.
23:37You don't care about the touchdowns at that point because he's locked for volume.
23:42Right. So that's why, that's why I have Zay Flowers where I have Zay Flowers.
23:46Yeah. I mean, I think if Declan hits as a, as a win for a coordinator, which if it is, he's probably
23:53only going to be there for two to three years.
23:56Max. Yes. Which is always, sure. Right. Sure. Exactly.
23:59So yeah. All right. So Zay Flowers is there and we're still in that same tier six here.
24:05Um, and then Nico Collins would round the tier out for our consensus rankings with, um, kind of the system, putting them
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25:02Nico Collins rounds it out wide receiver 16. He's the guy who's, you know, he's at 20.
25:07He's a 27 year old receiver kind of like we're just talking about with CD and Jefferson, but hasn't had like the
25:14consistent high marks that those guys have. But he has the ability to be in a top five wide receiver conversation and we've seen it.
25:22We've seen it in stretches. It just hasn't been to completion consistently.
25:25Like we, we, last year he was wide receiver eight, uh, 2023 wide receiver 11.
25:30And then in between there, 2022, which only played 12 games, 15 games last year.
25:35But I, you know, where, where do we stand on Nico Collins?
25:38Cause I feel like he, the grip is even loose more loose on him than, than Jefferson and Nico and like, or,
25:45or, uh, Jefferson and, and CD rather. But I think he's, he's just as talented and can put up just as good as numbers.
25:53And we just, we need Stroud to just return to form a little bit, even, even Stroud being not what we expected
25:59from him last year, still put Nico in a position, uh, to be, you know, a wide receiver one at wide receiver eight, right.
26:07With, you know, 224 points, 120 targets, um, you know, 71 receptions.
26:11Now that was a career high in targets. Um, and I don't even think we saw the best Nico, right?
26:17No, I mean, this was this, this passing game was super Nico centric.
26:21I mean, he's one of the best deep threats in the league and that's what they did.
26:26Well, uh, they're, they're terrible at running the football.
26:29So it's going to function through CJ Stroud and Nico Collins, David Montgomery will probably allow that offense to have some semblance of a running game.
26:37I think he could duplicate what Joe Mixon did a couple of years ago, and that's going to help them a ton.
26:44So Nico could take a step forward from a performance perspective, but you can't move him any higher because he's 27.
26:50You can't move him into that tier with, you can't move him into the tier, the tier above that, like he can't
26:57go into the Ted O'err O'err O'err. Like we're probably as high as Nico's going to go unless he finishes wide receiver one overall.
27:04Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Right. And, and, you know, I want to, like, I think, I, like I said, I
27:11think he's, he can do CD lamb level, you know, outputs.
27:15Uh, we just need to see a little bit more consistency from the offense.
27:19And, you know, you can say the same thing for Justin Jefferson now, um, from having a down year, but I think,
27:26I think we'll, we'll see a little bit of at least somewhat consistency bounce back.
27:30And that'll help Jefferson, you know, Jefferson was, is on pace to be the best receiver we had ever seen, uh, you know, outside of maybe Jerry Rice.
27:39But, um, he was absolutely destroying things and, and Nico kind of took a minute to get there and then got there.
27:46Uh, and so, like you said, I think this is, I've, I've got them the highest out of the group.
27:52I think the offensive line being better and the run game being better is a big positive, um, for Nico Collins and
27:59can kind of just settle this offense down a little bit, uh, and just have more opportunity.
28:04But it's just, if, even if let's say Jaden Higgins or somebody else in this offense has emerged a little bit, we've
28:11seen him be, uh, uh, you know, a higher end receiver on 109 targets and coming at one receiver 11.
28:17So like we can, we can decrease volume and increase efficiency and we're okay.
28:22Well, that's, that's kind of what he's done for the, for their offense.
28:26Like he's, he's just, they were one of the lowest, lowest output, but highest, like highest a dot highest target.
28:32And that's all because of what Nico Collins brings to the table.
28:36And as Jaden Higgins takes a step forward, I think that that doesn't hurt them at all.
28:41And if Tank Dale stays healthy or does whatever he's going to do, that allows them, that allows that this offense to
28:48kind of function through, but Nico's the unquestioned out.
28:50I know that they have, you know, they had great chemistry and, but like I said, unless he has an outlier outcome,
28:57I don't think from a dynasty value perspective, he can go higher than he is.
29:02Like maybe he goes above Emeka Ibuka if Emeka Ibuka doesn't do what we think he's going to do.
29:08But that's about like for our tiers that the, the website generated, I don't think he's going to be able to go higher than where he, that point.
29:16Yeah. I have him one spot currently higher than Emeka Ibuka.
29:20But, but, cause I just, I believe, I know he's already an alpha dog right there.
29:25Right. You know, that's, that's, so I'm, I still have him ahead of him by one spot, but you guys are dragging me down.
29:32All right. I'm at 49. At tier, in tier seven, we've got Luther Burden.
29:37We've got Roma Dunze, wide receiver 17, wide receiver 18, back to back.
29:41We all kind of have those guys graded fairly similarly.
29:44Then we have Rashi Rice at 19 and we have Lad McConkie at 20 rounding that tier out.
29:49I know we all like Lad this year. We've talked a good bit about him.
29:54We all like Luther. We all like Rome. It's kind of pick your poison.
29:58What do you like? I've been a big proponent of pretty much all four of these guys in this tier.
30:04And then, you know, Rashi Rice is obviously the one in the news.
30:08We've obviously dropped him down a good bit. Um, but still, you know, look to me, I know that the chiefs, I
30:15know that he's been in some trouble, obviously. Right.
30:18And he's currently serving some time, um, and had a little bit of a cleanup, but I, the reason why I'm okay
30:25with kind of still having him hang out here and not going any lower is just, he's only got one more year left with the chiefs.
30:33But the chiefs have been somebody, one of the only teams year over year that will absolutely give you second and third chances.
30:40Um, and Andy reads somebody who seemingly. Understands a, these guys are messing up.
30:44And then I think Jeremiah really had an awesome point a few weeks ago of just saying like, really name the last
30:51guy who can actually still contribute at as a high level.
30:55Who's been kind of just removed from the league.
30:57Usually it's the guys who were like kind of teetering and they're like, maybe at the end of something.
31:03And they, I, you, you might get the door slammed shut and made an example of, but typically we find a way
31:10around, uh, whether you like it or not good or bad, however you want to, you know, morality, whatever.
31:16Doesn't really matter, but I'm okay with still leaving him here because when he's on the field, he scores points.
31:22I think he's going to, you know, there's a decent, there's a chance the chiefs just say, Hey, we're going to take the discount on Rashi next year.
31:31Give him some money and build a contract that's incentive based.
31:34Hey, you can be up here, but if you F up again, then, you know, we're out of here.
31:40We're with no guarantees. And so, which most franchises, I wouldn't say they would do that, but the chiefs have shown us
31:47a few times that they're okay with that. And that's why I'm okay with leaving them here.
31:52Well, yeah, this is kind of the floor. We're not talking about nothing about his ability to play football or his environment says that he should be here.
32:01He's just here because we've had to, we've had to move him out of where his production says he should be.
32:07Right. That's why he's here. I don't. Yeah. And yeah, you could, you could be, if you want to be out on
32:14him, you can be out on him. That's okay.
32:17I'm not, I'm not going to be, I get it.
32:20Right. I get it. That's what he just had a procedure and he's chilling in jail with the procedure, you know, so
32:27whatever you want to do there, but I just wanted to spend a minute on, on Rashi.
32:32So then, you know, kicking off the last couple of guys getting here to 24 and tier eight, we've got Jordan Tyson,
32:39Devonta Smith and Makai Lemon wide receiver. Wide receiver, 21 for Tyson wide receiver, 22 for Smith and wide receiver, 23 for Lemon.
32:46And then in the next tier, Marvin Harrison rounds out our top 24.
32:50There's other guys in that tier, but he's, he rounds out the consensus top 24.
32:55Um, going back to Tyson and Lemon, I'll, I'll take those two guys first because I'm higher on them.
33:01Um, then, then you and Jeremiah by, you know, a good, a good ways.
33:05Right. And to me, um, I, I've just stuck with them being young, young guys who have the talent.
33:11Like if, if Tyson doesn't have the injury stuff, I think we're thinking way higher of him, uh, coming into all this.
33:18And everybody said that it's not, not breaking any news here.
33:21Um, and I think he went to a situation that I really like, uh, I obviously Olave is there and we just
33:28saw him kind of break out, but I really trust Kellen Moore.
33:32And when you have the guy who's the offensive guru calling the plays, and it seems like you might've just answered the bell with shuck.
33:39And they've, this is a, this is an emerging situation.
33:42So I'm going to take the youth, the gamble, and I'm going to stay a little bit higher on somebody like a Jordan Tyson.
33:50Then you guys, um, just kind of, especially in the dynasty sphere of just like, also, I think Tyson also Tyson and
33:57lemon, I think are just, they're just going to have more opportunity to prove themselves and float in this value.
34:03So to me, this is more about how I perceive the value of, of these receivers.
34:08Obviously they haven't done anything yet. And lemons the same way, like lemon landed in Philadelphia, like the difference.
34:14I, and everybody loved lemon. Lemon was a lot of people's one.
34:17And then he goes to Philly and nobody likes it.
34:21Well, you know, if Mannion comes in here and proves that he can call an offense, you know, um, which he's been,
34:27you know, kind of in that LaFleur got a little bit more of a West coast vibe to his game.
34:34Uh, I could tell you right now they're going to attack over the middle way more.
34:39I know that that's not something that they ever did before, but like everything that they just drafted signals to me that
34:45they're with, with stowers and, and lemon, they're going to make a cognitive effort to attack the middle of the field a lot more than they ever did.
34:54And if you think Jalen hurts, can't do that, you're nuts.
34:57Um, and I just also so happen to believe in Jalen hurts.
35:01Like I don't like Jalen hurts that like, I think as a human in the locker room, maybe he's a little weird to some of those guys.
35:09Um, that's neither here. Like there's, I've always, I've been saying like touch of Russell Wilson, not the whole shebang with the
35:16Russ, but I feel like there's just like a touch of Russell Wilson of, of like, just the robotic stuff is cool and good.
35:24But I think there's some guys who eventually get tired of it and like, you know, could be way off base there,
35:31but there's definitely a little smoke there, but it doesn't.
35:34I still think he's a very, very good quarterback and he's, he's being pushed down for, for no damn reason.
35:40And in my opinion, like he plays good in big games, he's a winner.
35:44He's won everywhere. He's gone. The franchise is a winner.
35:47Like they've got a great front office. They do what they need to do.
35:52So I'm okay with lemon. And again, the, the, the perceived value of those guys and how long that, that, even if
35:58it doesn't work this year at like, we think it's going to work, like they're still going to be hanging around with
36:05really, really solid value because I think there's going to be enough things that people like from them unless Tyson gets hurt.
36:12Right. Um, so I'm leaving those guys up higher for that reason.
36:16That's when I'm going through a startup, let's just say I'm looking to more youth.
36:20A lot of the times, especially early on, which is kind of why I have the, and I, and I like the
36:27prospect and I like the landing spots. So, um, that's kind of why I leave those guys up there.
36:33I know you, you guys are, are quite a bit, you know, with Tyson, I'm at 45, you're at 75.
36:39And with lemon, I'm at 46 and you're at 79.
36:42So big discrepancies there. Yeah. I just got them bumped back a little bit.
36:47There's just, there's some, there's some guys that I feel like still have a ton of good football and they could exceed where they're currently going.
36:55Like, I mean, I'm team Devonta Smith. I've been saying this since we heard the AJ Brown rumors.
37:00And I, what I think of Devonta Smith as a talent and where I think this is headed.
37:06So I don't have any sort of issue with McCallum and I'm just lower on him because I think he steps into
37:13what Devonta had to deal with over the next couple of years.
37:16And Devonta steps into the production and the target share that AJ Brown had.
37:21I mean, the, the target share basically was equal last year.
37:24I believe AJ Brown had 25.9 and Devonta was around 25.1.
37:28So with that being the case, like we now get him stepping in as the one a and McCall lemon is going
37:34to be McCallum is going to be, you know, slot demon, whatever.
37:38Actually out there winning and getting open, doing the stuff that Devonta Smith used to do.
37:43And so I think that there's maybe a little bit of a, a deny, like, unless we get a ceiling outcome, like
37:50we did from Devonta in 2022, there's going to be a little bit of a, oh, but what's his ceiling?
37:56Like we could have, he's going to be out there.
37:59So he's going to do more than Jaden Higgins did.
38:02I think if he has, I mean, if we're looking at him, you know, 806 touchdowns as a rookie, that's really good
38:09for a rookie, but you're not going to be beating the door down to say, Hey, this guy's the next, you know, the next great thing.
38:17So that's why I kind of have them. I, that's how I see it playing out.
38:22So that's why they are where they are. But I understand the way that you played it, which is they're not going to lose value.
38:30And if they hit better than what, or if they're just, they're just hits as first round picks, then their value skyrockets from here.
38:37So that's kind of the dichotomy between the way that we did things.
38:41Right. I think I'm probably a little too high.
38:44I think you're probably a little too low. I look at like, I spent like the lemon situation and the Tyson situation.
38:51Like I feel like both, I feel like, right.
38:54I feel like both of those guys can basically be Devonta Smith with the Eagles in year one or two, basically.
39:00And if that's the case, then that, then their value is going to float around where Devonta Smith was a lot of
39:07the time he was in Philadelphia, right? There's some, yeah, buts here or there.
39:11Or maybe they take over the offense. Like, you know, I don't know.
39:15I do believe that Devonta Smith is going to be the dude for them this year.
39:20And, and lemon will be the Smitty role coming in.
39:23Like you kind of said, which again is why I have him there.
39:27Um, and he's just, just youthful and Devonta Smith, a little lower on him, but not low.
39:33I mean, I've been saying the same, like super insulated.
39:36One of the best buys early in the off season, even if nothing happens, he's still a good player, but you know,
39:43about to be 28, you know, one kind of the season is rolling in.
39:47And so that was, it was basically just an age curve for me of, of moving them down.
39:53I still, I'm like, he's been a guy I'm clicking every time late six, early seventh for Devonta.
39:58I love that. Like, I love clicking them there.
40:01That's my favorite. I'm not going to click them very much earlier than that, but like, I'm fine with him being the first wide receiver I drafted.
40:09That's what I have to do. Um, and so it's, it's no shade on him by any means.
40:15I think he can come out here and put up, you know, a two 54 season like he did in 22, 2022, a wide receiver nine.
40:23I think he could be up, up in there.
40:26I think he's super talented. Um, so doesn't have anything to do with, with that, but you definitely have him quite a bit.
40:33You and Jeremiah are you're at, I'm at basically the opposite of what we have with 11 and the Tyson situation.
40:39You're at 50. I'm at 79. And these are overalls.
40:42And to be noted that there's draft picks in with those, uh, overall numbers skewing them a bit.
40:48Um, so anyway, uh, you want to give any more Devonta Smith information before we wrap this one up?
40:54No, man, that's, that's pretty much it. I think he's going to have the best season of his career and that, you know, that sustains and maintain.
41:02I mean, I think he could easily be in that next tier with, with, uh, lab McConkie and all that.
41:08I mean, I don't really count. I mean, he, to me, he could be in there with where she rice is, but she right.
41:16Shouldn't be there, but the Rome lad Luther tier is where I think that we're headed.
41:21Yeah. Um, and like I said, the next tier starts with Marvin Harrison.
41:25That's your 24th, uh, player here. Um, the only other guy I wanted to mention was AJ Brown.
41:30Cause he is in the news cycle. Um, and we just did a live show on, you know, last Wednesday at eight 30.
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41:54Um, but AJ Brown coming in here, he's at wide receiver 28.
41:57Um, but you know, you and big co were very high on him.
42:01You guys were saying, you know, basically you think for the next, at least two seasons that he could be up at,
42:08up in the top five of wide receivers. I mean, you look at his outcome for career.
42:13It's wide receiver, eight wide receiver, 12 wide receiver, 25 wide receiver, six wide receiver, five wide receiver, 18 and wide receiver 11.
42:21Um, with, you know, kind of the idea that we can, he can probably be a closer to the five, six, eight,
42:27then the 11, 12 in the next two years.
42:30So if that's the case, And, you know, if we're going to get two more good years out of him, should he be up in the top 24?
42:39Are we all too low? Yes. Yeah. I mean, it's just, it's just the, the fear mongering of him, you know, his
42:46knees and I did he leak stuff out in the media, whatever, all that stuff's going on.
42:51But when it comes to the actual football, this is a hand in glove fit with Drake may who's again, been one
42:58of the best deep ball passers in the league.
43:01I mean, basically sixth in deep throw percentage last year from weeks, 11 at 18 and eighth and air yard.
43:07So this is a team that's going to attack vertically.
43:10And Drake may shown all of the, all of the accuracy metrics that you want to see from a guy who attacks aggressively.
43:17And we've gotten kind of a ceiling outcome from Drake may with, you know, an older Stefan digs.
43:23I think at this stage of his career, he's a better player and still more versatile and what he can offer a
43:29team than what Stefan digs is at 32. So why don't, why wouldn't I be more excited about AJ Brown moving to
43:36a place where they can only, it was them in Seattle throwing the ball, the least in the league last year.
43:43So that offense takes a step forward in terms of passing volume, just a little bit.
43:48And we lock in AJ Brown for his wide receiver one role, Drake may, and these things create great, great fantasy seasons
43:54when people are discounted because of age. Yeah. And I think you've just, you know, you've made that core better with adding Romeo and adding AJ Brown here.
44:03You've added another tight end in the mix that could be a threat.
44:07Kyle Williams has shown in his first year that he's you know, just being called on as kind of more of a deep threat.
44:15He was, that was, that was a problem. Boutte is good.
44:18Like, you know, they've, this is a receiving core.
44:21That's, that's really solid top to bottom. So, um, I know a lot's been made of the Pat's schedule from last year
44:28and make that's the reason that they made it.
44:30So maybe the record overall doesn't reflect them being better quote unquote next year.
44:35But I think functionally offensively, I think everything is going to take a bit of a step forward here.
44:41And AJ Brown, it's gonna be a big part of that.
44:44Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's the, that's the thing is I don't, if you think that it's truly a zero for, for AJ
44:51Brown going to new England, like what just, I would like for you to explain to me why you feel that way.
44:58Yeah. Yeah. I am in contender, you know, I think that just signals to me that, you know, Hey, what, what can I buy AJ Brown for?
45:06Let's go test those waters. So, all right. We got the top 24 consensus rankings and the consensus tiers there.
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45:25So the consensus, uh, makes it be a little bit different feel and look, but it's a nice little average.
45:31Uh, and I think it's, it makes for a good concept for everybody to listen out there.
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