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0:56My man, the podfather. He knows things. This is the My Dimension Program.
1:00I'm here with Stephen Stump, my esteemed colleague. His fantasy show is about to join the Player Profiler Network, and so we're
1:06excited to talk to him about fantasy football, about dynasty, about best ball, about everything.
1:11There are some teams, especially in our building of this world-famous draft kit that is available on playerprofiler.com slash draft kit.
1:17In the building of this incredible tool, we have found some teams in particular.
1:21The team previews are incredibly detailed and incredibly rich with the information that you need to kill your drafts, to absolutely destroy.
1:28And there's a handful of these teams where it's like, wow, the players in these teams that are enjoying consolidated target distributions, they are way undervalued in fantasy.
1:37There's teams like the Colts. There's teams like the Titans.
1:40A lot of teams in the South. We're just going to get right to it.
1:44We're just going to jump right in, get right to it.
1:47But before we talk about all these teams in the South that are the keys to victory in fantasy football, we had some news.
1:55It's not really breaking news. It came out yesterday, and it was like breaking news that in years past would have been a bigger deal.
2:02But now we as fantasy gamers are being trained to not jump to conclusions, especially after this Josh Jacobs incident where, okay,
2:09Josh Jacobs tanks, and then we just wait a week, and then he corrects, and then we wait another week, and he corrects some more.
2:16And then a couple weeks later, it's like it never happened.
2:20So we are learning how to handle the incidents that happen off the field and what are the key data points that
2:26would suggest a suspension versus it's going to be business as usual.
2:30And so I guess this is technically breaking news, but not really breaking.
2:34It's something to talk about, but no one really cares.
2:37Gino Smith was investigated after a domestic incident occurred, and the police showed up, and he wasn't wearing a shirt, and he
2:43gave them some information, and they closed the case.
2:46Yeah. Not wearing a shirt at home. How dare he?
2:49The audacity. Yep. No, I think this is we kind of knew it wasn't going to be anything when it happened.
2:56It was just kind of a puff piece at the time.
2:59It was just news while there's nothing going on right now.
3:02I don't think it really changes the Gino Smith scenario, but I'd like to know your thoughts on it as well.
3:08I don't think it changes whether or not I'm going to draft him.
3:12He is a value. That's the thing. He doesn't stop being a value just because he was brought in or the police came and questioned him.
3:20We've learned not to jump to conclusion. I think this is the first year, really, where we are properly calibrated where the
3:27league is versus where law enforcement is versus where the players are and where those friction points are and when games could be missed by a player.
3:35A lot of the news that comes out is shocking at first.
3:39You hear about the incidents. Hair was pulled, this and that.
3:42It's like, oh, wow, this sounds like a really violent episode.
3:45I'm sure it makes sense. It's logical. Something's going to happen to this guy.
3:49And then nothing happens. Yeah, it usually doesn't. I mean, most of it's I think a lot of it gets blown a
3:56little bit out of proportion just because it's in the public eye.
4:00It needs to be something to talk about during the offseason.
4:03But I mean, it doesn't change if I'm drafting him for redraft formats.
4:07I'm not drafting him probably anywhere at all unless it's, you know, later in the season, you're looking for like plugins at places.
4:14But that's about it. I don't really have eyes on Gino Smith as a redraft quarterback this year.
4:19Why not? Mostly just upside. I know we know what Gino Smith is going to be at this point.
4:25If you want, you know, 4,000 yards and 30 touchdowns, it's OK.
4:29Like I'm OK with quarterback 12, but I'm not expecting top five finishes and I want to win championships and you don't do it with 10th ranked quarterbacks.
4:37Fourth. What? Fourth. So you think his ultimate ceiling?
4:40What you're saying is his ultimate absolute ceiling. The best you'll possibly get is 4,000 yards and 30 touchdowns.
4:46So roughly. I mean, it's not. Nothing to sneeze at, but that was peak MVP caliber Gino Smith.
4:51So he needs to be back to peak caliber and I don't see that happening.
4:56That's why I'm kind of down on the Gino Smith scenario.
4:59Gino Smith is going to have some pretty, pretty interesting weapons to throw to.
5:03Yeah, you're not wrong there. Right. I mean, you have Garrett Wilson.
5:07You have Adni Mitchell, who he's developed incredible chemistry with.
5:10You haven't heard a lot about Omar Cooper Jr., which is interesting.
5:13There's very little talk about Omar Cooper Jr. It's been all Adni Mitchell, Adni Mitchell, of course, Garrett Wilson, but Garrett Wilson,
5:20Garrett Wilson, Adni Mitchell, Garrett Wilson, Garrett Wilson, Adni Mitchell.
5:23Then he has Kenyon Sadiq to go with Mason Taylor.
5:26So they got the 12 personnel covered. So if you're going to be playing Sadiq and Taylor and there's this great chemistry
5:33with Adni Mitchell out playing X and Garrett Wilson's best position is playing Z.
5:37Where does Omar Cooper Jr. fit in in the offseason?
5:40I'm not sure. But Gino Smith on a team that's going to be losing a lot of games, that's going to be
5:47going back and throwing and throw short and intermediate to Sadiq to even Garrett Wilson, certainly to Brees Hall.
5:52And then can go deep over the top to Adni Mitchell.
5:56There is upside there in best ball where we're drafting two or three quarterbacks.
6:00Then he actually makes a lot of sense. And these are some of the least expensive stacks that exist, especially one of
6:06my favorite stacks is Gino Smith, Adni Mitchell. I mean, that is the ultimate backdoor stack.
6:11Both these guys are undervalued. And yeah, he has the bottom line is what I think is important to note is that
6:18he has that in his range of outcomes. Right.
6:21You were like, I'm not that interested in it.
6:23But I was like more like, wait a second.
6:26Let's remind the people that this guy once upon a time at over 4000 yards twice.
6:31Nice. And then one year he had 30 touchdowns, which is not going to happen again.
6:36That was an outlier season. That was an outlier touchdown rate, 18 and a half fantasy points per game.
6:41He's not going to do that. Like you said, no, he's not going to do that.
6:46But QB 12, right? If you average that season 2022 with his 2024 season, then that would be exactly QB 12.
6:53Like you're not wrong at all. That is his ceiling.
6:56He certainly has these other outcomes like 12.7 fantasy points per game that also needs to be discussed.
7:01But that was on a completely dysfunctional team with an injured Brock Bowers, the worst receivers in the league in Las Vegas.
7:08I'm throwing that out. I'm throwing that out. And I'm sticking with just average 2022, 2023 and 2024.
7:13And we're talking 17 fantasy points a game. That is very much possible with these weapons and in best ball and in deep leagues.
7:20Not a 12 team league. I'm with you, right?
7:23A 12 team single quarterback league. No, but any super flex league.
7:27He has a great third quarterback option. He goes incredibly late.
7:30Honestly, startups. I was like thinking I, I, I had, I've thinking I was, I thought I evaluated all the different rounds
7:37where starting quarterbacks are going, you know, where they're all slotting in.
7:40And then I was like, oh wait, I got scrolling to get to Gino Smith.
7:45What is this about? That part. And I have here in my notes, Matt, that in deeper super flex leagues, he's definitely a valuable asset.
7:52I just said it's grimy to try and take them because the name's not sexy, but he'll get you points and he has a four.
8:00So yeah, grind this. I think the jets are one of these keys.
8:04The jets, Garrett Wilson, great option this year. Adonai Mitchell, great option this year.
8:08Brees Hall, great option. I also like Braylon Allen and Isaiah Davis as deep stashes in dynasty.
8:13I'm not necessarily, again, not seasonal leagues necessarily deep seasonal leagues though.
8:17Like if you're talking about FFPC, you're talking about deep leagues where people are loading up on running back, especially in the later rounds.
8:24They're stocking their bench with all running backs, especially in managed leagues.
8:28That's the big difference between managed leagues and best ball leagues is that the best ball leagues, your bench is primarily wide receivers.
8:34In managed leagues, your bench is primarily running backs.
8:37So as the rounds tick by, round 17, round 18, round 19, suddenly Braylon Allen becomes very attractive.
8:43Suddenly Isaiah Davis becomes very attractive. Now Braylon Allen was reportedly 250 pounds.
8:47We've seen Brandon Jacobs and other running backs play at that weight and be successful.
8:51He's also taller. So he will be able to carry that weight.
8:55Derrick Henry is 250 pounds. So we have seen this before.
8:58It has, you know, players have been productive and they haven't looked like a mobile home going down the highway.
9:04They've been productive. They've been productive. So I'm not concerned about, I'm really not concerned about it.
9:09Like he has the frame and he's one of these outlier, you know, jumbo running backs that could be very effective even at a heavier weight.
9:17So I'm not discounting Braylon Allen. I still have him as the RB2 there in New York, but it's close.
9:23Like Isaiah Davis is almost as good. And I like, I like targeting those running backs like a Jarquez Hunter.
9:29He's almost as good as Blake Corum. So there's some of these RB3s that you can target in those later rounds, even
9:36in seasonal leagues, when you get, if they're deep enough, where you go ahead and just stockpile these RB3s that are actually
9:42on, on par with their talent profiles with the RB2.
9:45And then if, if, if there's just one injury, right?
9:48Injury to Corum or Kyron Williams, then suddenly Jarquez Hunter is a factor.
9:52Even if there's an injury just to Braylon Allen, suddenly Isaiah Davis is a factor.
9:57So you start to add it up. Isaiah Davis, Braylon Allen, even if you don't include Geno Smith as an option, you're still talking about four players.
10:05Actually, no, Brees Hall. I think Brees Hall is a value.
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10:54Compatibility and availability varies 18+. Absolutely. I love Breece Hall value this year.
10:58I am fully on board the Breece Hall train.
11:01So you can sign me up for that one.
11:04So why are you so into Breece Hall? So with the not high on Geno's ceiling, but I love the stability that
11:10he brings to that offense and what he'll be able to do for every other piece there.
11:16And you just named off all the names. Right.
11:18So you're not out over your skis on Geno Smith, but you're like the presence of Geno Smith as a sort of abstraction.
11:25We don't have to have him on our fantasy team or anything.
11:29We don't have to worry about him and really dissect whether or not we want to draft him or Daniel Jones.
11:35Forget that for a second. Put that over here.
11:38He makes the whole offense better. He's lifting all the boats.
11:41Yep. Yep. Absolutely. That was what I took from him.
11:44That's how I see him as a player as well.
11:47And that's kind of what he's done to every team.
11:50They bring him in to be a role filler and he elevates him to the next season to get him to where they need to be.
11:58It just kind of makes sense. It kind of makes sense.
12:01I like to spin it forward and think it through.
12:04Yeah. Okay. We're in December. Isn't it like one of the more obvious things that Geno Smith comes in?
12:10They finally don't have this mobile quarterback with a weak arm trying to make things happen back there.
12:16They just have a competent pocket passer who's going to dump it off.
12:19He's going to be looking for Brees Hall. He's going to be playing, you know, play action.
12:25Just a lot more traditional plays being run. And a lot of that would be to the benefit of Brees Hall.
12:31It just makes sense. Yep. Absolutely. That's what I saw too.
12:34So I'm full aboard the Brees Hall train. Yes.
12:37Thank you. What's his ADP? Like in the fourth round this year?
12:41It's ridiculous. Too late. It is such a value.
12:43Yeah. It's too late. So we're talking about two six players on this team that you're drafting with confidence.
12:49And the fact you could barely say that about maybe two guys on the jets in previous years.
12:54That's the benefit of having a pocket passer that is competent and has a history of 4,000 yard seasons.
13:00Correct. Yep. Yeah. And another thing is that he brings, there's not a timeshare in that room as much as we think it is.
13:07It's the Brees Hall show over there. I think we kind of forgot about that last year.
13:13But this is a running back who work his three down role going in the fourth round.
13:18And we got, we're taking rookie running backs and second year people over him.
13:22Like this is a proven commodity in fantasies. And he's going to get you PPR work.
13:27He's going to get you touchdown work. Hopefully if this offense even is average.
13:31So like I said, all aboard Brees Hall this year.
13:34All right. If you had to pick, you had to do it.
13:38I hate to do it, but I have to pick.
13:41I'm going to ask you. Brees Hall or Cam Scadaboo?
13:44Brees Hall. I want the PPR value. You want to be, but there's also a lot of PPR value with Scadaboo.
13:50There is. Oh man. Scadaboo is kind of awesome.
13:53Yeah. And he gets a round discount as well.
13:55I might be higher on Scadaboo because of the one round discount, the uptick in offense.
14:00We should see in New York this year with Jackson Dart and everything.
14:04I liked what I saw last year. That's why I drafted Malik Neighbors, unfortunately.
14:08But I think it's just a continuation of what we saw in a progression.
14:13So it's what I saw in New England last year going into the 2025 season.
14:17It's kind of what I see in New York this year where they're a playoff potential team with a solid defense.
14:23And I think we're all kind of sleeping on them a little bit.
14:27I'm looking at the player profiler season rankings right now.
14:30They're fully up to date. We've had the season rankings, the best ball rankings, and the dynasty rankings.
14:36Just in the last few weeks, we've had an incredible sort of influx of data, information, voices in the room.
14:42I've asserted myself more. I think if you haven't checked them out recently, checking out our player rankings on playerprofiler.com, I think
14:48a lot of you'll be pleasantly surprised where we have some players slotted in because a lot of you are on the
14:55same page with how we evaluate some of these players.
14:58Yep. You can plug in. So we have Brees Hall as RB14 and Cam Scadaboo as RB16, which I like.
15:04I like. We have them both ahead of Josh Jacobs, Travis Etienne.
15:08And we're high on them. We're high on these guys, man.
15:11These are players we like. I don't particularly like the Giants offense.
15:15I think the benefit for Scadaboo this year is that you're just going to be very run heavy and there's not a lot of weapons.
15:22And then so they're going to run the ball more.
15:25So he's going to have more carries and then they're going to dump the ball off more.
15:30And so he's going to have more targets and he's up for it.
15:34He's up for it. Losing Brian Dayball is going to hurt that offense a little bit.
15:39We'll see. We'll see what happens with that. We'll see how valuable Brian Dayball is.
15:44I don't think he's that valuable. So they had a softball game.
15:47It was a charity softball game. Neighbors was out there.
15:50Cam Scadaboo was out there. Neighbors hit the ball, ran to first, and he was clearly running in a sensitive way.
15:57I'm not saying he was limping, but he had a hitch.
16:00He had a hitch in his gate. He clearly wasn't putting full weight on both legs.
16:05Meanwhile, Scadaboo's out there hitting home runs, doing backflips, showing off that he's 100% healthy.
16:09And I'm excited. I think the players I want on this team are both running backs.
16:14I want Scadaboo. If I don't get Scadaboo, I actually want Tyrone Tracy.
16:18Because there's going to be so many touches for running backs in this offense that Tyrone Tracy and his all-purpose skill set, he's going to have weeks.
16:26Yeah. The only thing that would scare me with the running back situation is Jackson Dart and the touchdowns he's going to steal.
16:33But that would be the only thing that would scare me away.
16:37That is the open-ended question. And I just don't know.
16:40I don't know how much he's going to run this year.
16:43I know a lot of people think that they could just take last year, copy and paste all the rushing from Jackson Dart.
16:50I don't think so. I think last year he was a rookie.
16:54His brain was scrambled when he's dropping back, looking around, didn't know what the hell he was looking at, didn't know what
17:00he was supposed to see, where he was supposed to go with the ball.
17:04So what does he do? He pulls it down and runs.
17:08Now, the offense has been his for a year.
17:10He's fully acclimated to the league, and he has a full offseason to process this new playbook and get it uploaded and get acclimated.
17:18And I just think offensive coordinators are not going to want him to run at the same rate that he did last year.
17:25I don't think that's repeatable. And that's one of the reasons why I'm not drafting any Jackson Dart.
17:30In fact, not with his ADP this year, no.
17:33In Superflex, in Dynasty and Season-Long Superflex, not Best Ball, not going that far, but Season-Long Superflex, Dynasty Superflex, Jameis Winston.
17:39Jameis Winston. If you're going to tell me that there's a sophomore quarterback out there, he's not a top 10 pick, but man, does he have guile?
17:47Damn, does he have gumption? He's getting out there.
17:50He's extending plays. He's making things happen. What oftentimes happens to those particular quarterbacks?
17:54They tend to go down a little bit. You know, start limping around around week six.
17:59Jameis is warming up on the sidelines. He's got the jacket on, cracking jokes.
18:03He's ready to go, baby. I mean, he's been in commercials, man.
18:07I love it, man. Jameis needs to be the face of the franchise at this point.
18:12This guy cleans up well, man. He is leaning in.
18:15He's like, I have some weird behavior on my resume.
18:18That's just good people right there, man. He's just himself.
18:21I love it. Right? There are some clips of me not being the most sophisticated face of a franchise.
18:26And you know what? I'm going to lean into it.
18:29And we're going to eat some W's on camera.
18:32And we're going to be tongue-in-cheek about it. And big public brands are going to pay a lot to have me be their spokesman.
18:39Yeah, especially down here in Duval, man. We've been cracking crab leg jokes since 2010.
18:44So I get it. He's doing great. So I love to see that.
18:48I love to see that he's built for New York.
18:51He's already a spokesman for brands. I'm like, there's not many backup quarterbacks that are showing up in World Cup commercials.
18:57Think about that. And then I'm like, what do you think is going to happen with Jackson Dart this year?
19:03And so all of a sudden, things are clicking.
19:06And I'm like, in every Superflex Dynasty League in particular, I want Jameis Winston.
19:10I was just getting ready to spin it back to that.
19:14I said, especially in Superflex where quarterbacks go early and often, to be able to pick up Jameis Winston, who's a proven value, he can do it.
19:22And he throws big yards. I don't care about four touchdowns.
19:25If you're going to score me five and 450 throwing yards, and you're getting them for nothing.
19:30You're going to pick them up in the back end of drafts because people are going to forget about them.
19:36We were having a conversation today. The player profiler analytics team.
19:39So I've created this whole meeting of the minds, this analytics team.
19:43We get together, talk about super into the minutiae about exactly the target share distributions for certain teams and how that might
19:50affect the season-long projections and the dynasty lifetime values.
19:52And it's totally geeked out conversation that I live for.
19:55I was about to say, that's that nerd stuff I like right there.
19:59And I was like, okay, we were talking about when to draft your third quarterback in a super flex dynasty startup.
20:06And I tend to draft my third quarterback early so I can have three starters.
20:10And that player becomes... The mindset I'm in as well.
20:13That player becomes a tradable asset, a much more tradable, much more liquid asset to be dealt during the season because they're producing.
20:20Yeah. Whether it be Jacoby Brissett, whether it be Geno Smith, a guy that I'll pay a couple extra rounds.
20:26I'll move up a couple extra rounds and draft a QB3 or a QB4 there rather than waiting for the pure backups a few rounds later.
20:34So, for example, I threw this strategy out there.
20:37I was like, I think I might need to go draft my third quarterback.
20:41And Evan Ringler and Bradley Stalder were like, you don't need to.
20:45You don't need to. You can always draft three or four just pure backups knowing one of them is going to play.
20:51And Bradley Stalder is like, Riley Leonard. Riley Leonard likes to get after it.
20:55Riley Leonard is like the bankrupt man's version of Jackson Dart.
20:59Right? So that guy's going to at least generate some fantasy production for you, even if he's not going to necessarily help the Colts offense.
21:06And I was like, okay, interesting. I'm writing this down.
21:09I'm like, okay, fair enough. Fair enough. And I was like, of course, I volunteered Mac Jones because that's the easiest one.
21:16That's by far and away the easiest one. I'm like, this guy's going to get.
21:20And then, of course, Tyson Badgen. Yeah. Tyson Badgen.
21:23He signed that extension just to make sure he has the money for his family.
21:28Signed like a nice little two-year extension undrafted. They didn't want to lose him.
21:32They didn't want him to roll off the roster.
21:35So they signed him for a small. He's like, but I only want a couple of years.
21:40You can pay me a fair rate, but then I'm going to hit the open market.
21:45Team-friendly price. Yep. Right? So Tyson Badgen is going to hit the open market early as next year.
21:50Yeah. And we've seen him provide fantasy value before.
21:53There are teams waiting to bid for Tyson Badgen.
21:55They want him to be their starting quarterback. He has very much as like a discount Trevor Lawrence vibe where he has the size.
22:03He has the flowing locks. He has the scramble ability.
22:06Not necessarily like full QB rushing ability, but he has tactical scrambling capability and a big arm.
22:11I think there's going to be, there's going to be multiple teams bidding for Tyson Badgen soon.
22:16So I'm like, okay, Jones and Badgen for sure.
22:19Who else? And then Riley Leonard. I was like, okay, Riley Leonard's fun.
22:23And I get it. And I'm, I'm, I'm here for it.
22:26I'm going to pick him up. Nope. Nope. No, no question.
22:29I want him in super flex, but I need one more.
22:33And then like after a beat, someone said, well, dude, James Winston.
22:36And then I was like, oh my, that you're so right.
22:39Oh my God. How was that? Not more top of mind.
22:43A light bulb. I mean, it was, I mean, it was boom.
22:46I think you saw how excited I got when you mentioned his name.
22:50I was like, you're right. It is James Winston.
22:53Yeah. Oh, it's it. I was like, we like, uh, someone's like James Winston.
22:57And then in my head, I was like, right.
23:00James Winston. Uh huh. Yeah. That's the list of players that I want.
23:04The giants. It's scatterboot, Tyrone Tracy and James Winston.
23:07There's my list. There's my list. Other teams that are consolidated that I think are great sources of value.
23:12Most of them we talked about in the South, Tennessee Titans, Tennessee Titans, especially now that there's concerns around cam wards.
23:19Accuracy. There have been, I mean, we did see him throw what nine interception or seven interceptions last year.
23:24Um, there have been some reports that he's been a little inaccurate.
23:28Um, I'm not listening too much though. I mean, it's kind of pre still early in the preseason, everything like that.
23:34It's training camp. It's summer days. I think he'll get it ironed out.
23:38Um, it's not a concern right now, but I'm a dog.
23:42So I always got my ears listening. If it's still August and we're hearing the same things, then it's going to be an issue.
23:49Then the mailman's coming and it's time to bark at the door.
23:52So right now we're just kind of sitting in the sun listening.
23:56So we're good right now. Not, we're not, we're not going to internalize at all.
24:01Cam words, accuracy issues. Robert Sala admits cam ward has accuracy issues.
24:04This is on player profile.com slash news. Yep. We are acknowledging this.
24:08We are acknowledging that he has been erratic, that he is working on things.
24:12That's what you do. That is what you do.
24:15This is what I tell my daughter all the time when we're practicing, whatever sport it is.
24:20I'm like you, this is when you experiment. This is when you make, you make mistakes here.
24:25So you don't make them out there. Exactly. And that's why you go through two days in the summer and not during
24:32September and October, November, you get this stuff out of the way now.
24:36I mean, that's, you'd be expected. It's expected this time of the year.
24:40We haven't even started scheduling, you know, camps yet.
24:42So we'll be excited. Like I think by the time the end of July rolls around and August starts, we'll be, we'll be okay.
24:49We're gonna be fine. Cam Ward is a smash.
24:52Take the discount. Cam Ward is a smash. And I also like that we're not hearing a lot about our man, Carnell Tate.
24:59It's a lot about Wondell Robinson. Wondell Robinson. He's gonna, he's gonna get another a hundred receptions.
25:04Yeah. He's gonna command 150 targets on that team with Carnell Tate.
25:08There's no way. There's no way there's. I love, I love me some Wondell Robinson, Wondell Robinson.
25:13And I remember talking about this last year where I was like, okay, so guy gets 140 targets and we're just going to not draft him.
25:21What are we doing? Right. And then sure enough, as it turns out, like the league low yards per target he had
25:27posted in 2024 magically became something much closer to league average.
25:31And suddenly he's putting up a thousand yards and he was wide receiver 14.
25:35Wondell Robinson, wide receiver 14. I mean, this is a guy we've had our eyes on for what?
25:40Three, four years now, since he's been drafted issues in injury after injury after injury, but to get, be able to see
25:47him actually like produce at a high level. It was nice to see.
25:51Um, and this is a guy that, you know, we, I, for me, I see it.
25:56I see him being very popular to start the first four to six weeks until Carnell Tate takes that rollover.
26:02Cause that's, what's going to happen. Tate's the better receiver.
26:05Yep. And we see it all the time where rookies, it takes them the first half of the season before they start
26:11finding their footing, finding routes to run before they get comfortable in an offense.
26:16That's why I like targeting rookies in any format, like mid season.
26:19Maybe you get dumb dumbs who don't have the patience to keep them on their bench, but you believe in the upside.
26:26And like, that's why I like targeting those rookies around that time.
26:30And that's what I see happening too. I just took Carnell Tate in the mid third round of a dynasty super flex startup.
26:37I am incredibly bullish on Carnell Tate. We as player profiler, when you go to our rankings and you go to our
26:43season rankings, best ball rankings, especially dynasty rankings, you might be surprised of how high up we have Carnell tape.
26:49You have to see it to believe it. And the reason is because this is a top five pick mega star.
26:56Yes. Who would have posted cartoonish, cartoonish video game, right?
26:59Video game, cartoon, cartoon, video game, both, not just cartoon, not just video game, a cartoon video game.
27:04He would have, that's the level he would have got to if he had had that offense to himself at Ohio state, right?
27:11If he had gone to another team where he was the best receiver, he, it would have, we would, I don't know
27:18where he would have, how would he, would he been the one-on-one?
27:21Like he's even sharing the field with Jeremiah Smith.
27:24He still was a top five pick. Why was he a top five pick without the top five production?
27:30Like most top five picks have more production in college than Carnell Tate did in his final year because the scouting report,
27:36all those NFL teams have the scouting report on Carnell Tate.
27:40They have the production he did in the context of, oh, Jeremiah Smith is also on the field.
27:45And then this is the, this is the, the, the scouting report, the strengths and weaknesses of Carnell Tate.
27:51Dude, he has the size. He has the incredible quickness.
27:54He has a lot of these like Justin Jefferson, CD lamb level skills.
27:58He has like CD lamb level athleticism, but more on like a Justin Jefferson frame.
28:02No, I like him a lot. And this was, we brought it up on the show last week where this was a
28:09kid that's a five-star recruit coming out of high school was highly recruited by Ohio state.
28:14And then was overshadowed his entire career there by Marvin Harrison and Jeremiah Smith and still went as a top three pick.
28:20This just speaks to like how much Brian Hartline has built and developed that wide receiver room.
28:25And that's why it's, you know, wide receiver room or wide receiver you to this day.
28:30And it's taken over. It's because they're producing high value talent out of that university.
28:35You see some wacky stuff happening in startups, man.
28:37I'm seeing Nico Collins going ahead of Carnell Tate.
28:40I'm like, how long do you think it's going to take for Carnell Tate's consensus dynasty ranking to overtake Nico Collins?
28:46Yeah. Nine. It's going to happen just like that during the season.
28:50I mean, you're right. You're going to have this little buy window.
28:54This is going to be like a crack of a buy window.
28:57Weeks one, two, three, the month of September, you're going to get Wandel Robinson targets, but there's going to be some Wandel Robinson, 10 target games.
29:05And there's going to be some games where Carnell Tate's really not a factor.
29:09And if you don't get him in that little window, especially in seasonal leagues.
29:14Yes. You were talking about like in dynasty. And I was like, yeah.
29:18All right, dude, you're not going to, you're not getting Carnell Tate.
29:21Shut up. Right. You get where he was, you know, a mid-level producer and he wasn't, you know, he wasn't elite for this first three games.
29:29I'm not just going to punt off Carnell Tate and dynasty bra, but you're right in.
29:34Oh man, you're so right in seasonal leagues. I think even in high stakes, this, you could see this happening.
29:40You know, you're talking about like big money leagues with trades.
29:43You could see Carnell Tate getting moved. And I want to be on the receiving end of Carnell Tate over and over
29:50and over and over and over again. That sounded really bad.
29:53No, I know that sounded really bad. Everybody that sounded incredibly bad.
29:57Okay. It happened. It sounded bad. I can't. It sounded bad.
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31:36Depop. Where taste recognizes taste. All right, so that's the Titans.
31:40Pretty much Cam Ward, Carnell Tate. That Cam Ward, Carnell Tate stack is interesting.
31:44Gunnar Helm is young. Gunnar Helm is a tight end no one talks about, but he's 23 years old.
31:50This is an offense that we expect to take a big step forward, and that's why we have so many of these
31:56guys as sleepers or breakout values or anything like that.
31:59And there's nowhere else for the middle of the field.
32:02This is it. Gunnar Helm territory, man. He has the talent.
32:06He's big. He's explosive. He can catch. I know in our other team, he's on our Dynasty League.
32:11He's our tight end, locked and loaded, ready to go as our tight end one right now.
32:16So we will see how that turns out. But I like the shots, especially with these younger tight ends the last couple of years.
32:23I have a really big question. It's a position battle that I'm going to be watching closely, and I'm going to be posting on Patreon, patreon.com slash podfather.
32:32Very soon, I'm going to be posting my top 20 camp battles to watch.
32:36And I don't know if this is going to make the top 20, but this is close.
32:41And I think there's some value to be unlocked here because it's going to be a losing team.
32:47They're going to be playing from behind. Their pass rate's going to be high.
32:51And if Cam Ward can take that step forward, like he's trying all these new things, experimenting.
32:56He's working on his footwork, his strength, his conditioning.
32:59They've talked about – there's been reports about all these aspects of being a professional athlete that he's embraced and he's been working on.
33:06I'm really excited about it. Yep. The breadcrumbs are – they keep laying out, and I keep picking them up.
33:12The wide receiver three there. I believe Carnell Tate will play X.
33:15I think Carnell Tate wants to play X. He's going to be X.
33:19And I think that's part of the reason he's not going to produce right away because he's going to be going up
33:26against his alpha corners, and he's going to have to figure out how to pick the lock.
33:31But eventually, he will figure out how to solve these alpha corners on the left side out at X.
33:37And you know, Wandale is going to be in the slot.
33:40And the question is, who's going to be playing Z?
33:43They have a prototypical Z in Alec Eominer. And he had a nice profile coming into the league where his above-average workouts
33:50across the board and was productive at Stanford. 40.1% college dominator rating.
33:53He or Chimere Dike are going to be the wide receiver three, and they're both very similar.
33:59Dike is more of a vertical threat. Alec Eominer is more of a traditional, all-around, intermediate flanker.
34:04Yeah. Yep. But no, that's exactly what we saw, too.
34:07They need another option out there. And it's going to be a pretty balanced offense, I think.
34:12So their targets shouldn't be crazy. But I mean, he's going to get consolidated target work because he can catch the ball, man.
34:19He can catch the ball. So who do you like?
34:22I'm on the Gunner Helm train, man. I want the targets.
34:25Targets went all day. That's not an answer. We know that Gunner Helm is the starting tight end that a lot of people don't even know.
34:33Like, who is the starting tight end over there?
34:36Oh, Jesus. Is it Dan Bellinger? No, he's the backup.
34:39Is it Chika Konkwu? No, he's in Washington now.
34:41It's actually Gunner Helm. And Gunner Helm was pretty productive.
34:44I think there is a chance that the pass volume for the Tennessee Titans is top 10 this year.
34:50Like, if they can find a way to put all their trust in Cam Ward, if Cam Ward can earn it, especially
34:57in the summer, throughout the summer, and they could be like, yeah, listen, we're turning this offense over to him.
35:03And we're going to dial up the pass rate, and we're going to see what happens, especially because look at their running game.
35:10It's not like they have even Cam Scadaboo back there, right?
35:13So if you look at the personnel, and you look at the team situation, look at the defense, and you look at
35:20the backfield, a team with a below average defense that's rebuilding with a young stud back in Nicholas Singleton, but he's a fifth-round rookie.
35:27And then you have a Tony Pollard, who's well past the AJ Pex, holding on.
35:32And you have like a Tajay Spears, who's playing for a new contract.
35:35But there's no studs here. There's no established studs here.
35:38This feels like it could be one of these prolific offenses, pass-first offenses that Cam Ward can carry.
35:44It feels like this is one in the making.
35:47And therefore, certainly Carnell Tate's a smash. Wondell's going to get there, right?
35:51You're working off last year's numbers, which significantly influenced his projection this year.
35:54I think he'll be able to just make it.
35:57I think if the offense was just moderately more productive this year than it was last year, I think that it'd be
36:04very difficult for Wondell to get there. But I think because the pie is just going to be so much bigger this
36:10year, as far as the touchdowns available, the catch is available for the receivers in this passing game.
36:16Wondell will get there regardless. And then Gunnar Helm becomes interesting, and the wide receiver three becomes interesting because this is one
36:22of those few teams that does not have a jumbo tight end set where you could see them going 13 personnel.
36:29No way, right? Going to bring in Kyle Granson at that point?
36:32No. They have one of the thinnest, least impressive, least talented tight end rooms in the NFL.
36:38And what does that mean? That means more 11 personnel.
36:41That means more three receiver sets. So this is one of those teams where knowing who the third receiver is really matters.
36:47I like Ayo Manor as that guy. I do too.
36:50And that was the guy that leaned on last year as well.
36:54I mean, we saw a couple of weeks where I think he had what top 10 production a couple of times, but
37:00he was a streaming value last year. Yeah. I think that he is very sneaky.
37:05He is very sneaky in basketball, very sneaky in Dynasty.
37:08Ayo Manor is one of the sneakiest plays. And that's why that's a camp battle that I'm going to be very curious to see how it plays out.
37:16Yeah. And Calvin Ridley coming off the injury and he's not good.
37:20Calvin Ridley is almost 32 years old now. It's another thing we have to think about.
37:25Calvin Ridley is also in the mix. Yeah. How can Calvin Ridley possibly compete with Ayo Manor?
37:30He's there for name. He's got the veteran deference.
37:33Exactly. Yep. That's it. That's not enough, man. I don't think that's enough.
37:37That's not enough. I'm not going to. I don't believe that's enough.
37:40I'm not drafting any Calvin Ridley this year. No way.
37:43I don't know. I want the upside. I'll take the young kid who's going to give me a shot at putting up 25, 30 points.
37:51Did you see this news from the Ravens, the Declan Doyle?
37:54I saw the little X blurb. Yeah. That was a fun little piece.
37:58Okay. Did you take stock in it? Did you process it?
38:01Did you internalize it? Are you changing anything about how you're viewing this team and how they're going to run the offense?
38:08I mean, I take everything with a grain of salt.
38:11I think you kind of have to. I don't.
38:14I mean, it's a puff piece, but I think what it raised attention to is how they're going to use Zay Flowers this year.
38:21I mean, they already use them as kind of all over the field anyways.
38:25And just saying like how they're going to open up the offense, the things that it's going to do for him as a player.
38:32I really like it for Zay a lot this year.
38:35Gives him more opportunity. When I see these kinds of news items, the one way I might process it and I'm open to it.
38:43Like I'm open. Like it turns out Sean McVay, like he was an innovator, right?
38:47I mocked the idea because it's almost always untrue and hyperbole.
38:51But in the case of Sean McVay, it was real.
38:54And so it's possible. I'm open to the possibility that this guy just has the next set of plays that's going to change the league and set trends.
39:02Could be him. It could be Declan Doyle. And if that's true, what typically happens is these, the best coordinators find a
39:09way to increase the touches for their best players.
39:11And that's Zay Flowers, man. Yeah. And that's exactly what I saw as well.
39:16And that's, I don't think it raises his value.
39:18Like I'm not putting them 10 spots higher in my rankings or anything, but it's enough to keep an eye out and like maybe give it another month.
39:27You might move up a spot or two. We're very, we're very, very high.
39:31I'll tell you right now where we have Zay Flowers in seasonal leagues.
39:35We have him incredible. I'll tell you in both for seasonal leagues, Zay Flowers, wide receiver 14.
39:40Yeah. We, we had just, just, you know, we have Zay Flowers ahead of Rashi Rice because he's better than Rashi Rice.
39:47He has a better all around game than Rashi Rice.
39:50He has, has a more established role than Rashi Rice on a lot of levels.
39:54I don't understand how there's even a debate there, but of course consensus rankings as Rashi Rice higher.
40:00We have him as wide receiver 13 in dynasty ahead of guys like Lad McConkie ahead of Ted McMillan.
40:05A lot of, you go to, you're in a lot of startups.
40:09Ted McMillan is going to go around or two before Zay Flowers.
40:13And I would ask the question, why, why? And this is it.
40:16I got together with the, with the player profile, our team, Bradley ever is like, why, why Ted McMillan so high?
40:23No one can figure it out. I'm asking the question.
40:26At some point, someone in the industry was super bullish on Ted McMillan and it is like carried over and has, it
40:32just carried on the momentum of it. It's a conspiracy.
40:35That's what it is. It's a conspiracy. No. Um, yeah, I wasn't a fan of, you know, Ted Arroa coming out.
40:42I just, I didn't like the production profile or his athletic build.
40:45It's not my type of receiver that I look for.
40:48So wasn't a fan. And I didn't try to take any shares of them because, you know, as good as he is,
40:55if I'm not enjoying watching him on my fantasy roster, I'm not going to have him on my fantasy teams.
41:01That's perfectly fair. All right. So if we talked about Tennessee earlier, the C word, right?
41:06But there are other teams where you're, you're hearing a little bit of C word, right?
41:10You hear the C word. I heard, I heard it in Tampa, heard about the C word in Los Angeles with the
41:17Rams, Washington, naturally Washington, new Orleans now, and not just, not just Alvin Kamara and Denver.
41:22So of all those teams I just listed, which one do you think is the least committee?
41:27Like, so you think it's just going to be Kyron all over again.
41:31And those that are, that have been steaming up Blake Corum, you know, why McVay trust Kyron Williams.
41:36We see his red zone usage. We see him in the end zone.
41:40Like he's going to get his work, but Kyron's going to be the, you know, the leader in that running back room.
41:47I mean, Sean McVay's trust goes a long way on that team and has been doing it for the last three seasons.
41:54And he provides top 10 running back in fantasy formats year after year after year.
41:58And we keep dropping them in our rankings. He's always going with third round, fourth round, fifth round.
42:04And he's a top 10 running back every year because we keep telling ourselves the same thing.
42:09It's like, Oh, he's going to have to split work.
42:12He's not going to get as many targets. The red zone usage is going to go down and he keeps outperforming these things.
42:19I'm fully trust Kyron Williams this year until I see otherwise.
42:22It's interesting in every draft I've done and every team I have dynasty team, whatever it is.
42:27At no point have I ever said, I got to get Blake Corum.
42:31Not unless it's like the seventh or eighth round.
42:34And I went hero RB strategy. Like that's it's, it's still rough then.
42:38But it's Kyron Williams. I don't, I don't think it's a good, I don't think it's a good plan.
42:43And you did this idea that you're going to draft Blake Corum as a handcuff or, you know, as a, or as
42:50a contingent value play that has some standalone value.
42:53He really doesn't. You never know when you're going to start him.
42:56There's going to be some random weeks and you're like, Oh, well, best ball, you know, especially because you have that contingent value.
43:03Okay. Well, maybe, maybe I can see it with best ball.
43:07And certainly what's cool about him. I mean, Blake Corum was awesome last year with explosive plays.
43:12Look at the explosive plays on player profiler. I mean, Blake Corum was back.
43:16He was back. And this is one of the reasons why he got on the field.
43:21Because if you, if we, if we show it right here, Blake Corum explosive plays number four in the NFL.
43:27Look at that. His explosive play rating number two.
43:29Pretty amazing. Pretty amazing. This is why he has earned, this is why many think he's earned a bigger, a bigger share of this offense.
43:37You're questioning that you're like, listen, they, they have Kyron Williams.
43:40If it ain't broke, don't fix it. And that's the way that, that Sean McVay is going to play this.
43:46I have another take on this, which is that if Kyron Williams gets hurt, I'm not sure what the touch distribution is
43:53going to be because Jarquez Hunter is, is a very similar player to Blake Corum.
43:58Like there's not a big difference between those two.
44:00They basically drafted Jarquez Hunter as a doppelganger of Blake Corum.
44:04Yeah, you're absolutely right. And I wasn't saying that I don't like the Blake Corum value or the player this year.
44:10It's just for what I think it's going to be a timeshare pretty evenly, a little bit more Kyron in the red zone.
44:17It's going to be more Kyron. It's going to be, it's definitely going to be more Kyron.
44:22You can't project, if you're doing projections, you can't project Kyron Williams to have an even distribution of touches with Blake Corum.
44:29Yeah, you can't. No. Yeah. They're going to be 50% Kyron Williams, 35% Blake Corum, 15% everybody else.
44:34Yeah. But I mean that 50% on a Sean McVay offense on a Super Bowl team, like a playoff team, like I still value pieces that I want.
44:42Blake Corum, I'm not taking them as a handcuff.
44:45Don't do that. You're shooting yourself in the foot for your roster construction.
44:49At that point, I would take one or the other.
44:52If you're going to take a shot on Blake Corum, if he's late enough, go ahead and just hope, you know, something happens.
44:59I'm telling you, man, I'm just going, I'm just going Jarquez Hunter.
45:03Like what a lot of these backfields, these, these, these committee backfields, I'm just making the decision.
45:08And a lot of my decisions are just take the least expensive guy.
45:12I want Jarquez Hunter in Tennessee, a big surprise.
45:14I want Nicholas Singleton in Tampa. Who do I want?
45:17I want Sean Tucker. Sean Tucker's very interesting. So I noticed that you didn't say Tampa was, was, was out of the
45:24question for being a committee for out of a committee.
45:27I mean, is, I think it starts. I'm not sure.
45:30This one kind of confused me to be honest with you.
45:33Cause I don't know how healthy Bucky is going to look when he comes back.
45:38If they're going to split work with Sean Tucker or Kenneth Gainwell back there as well.
45:43Are they going to get Gainwell the third down work?
45:46Like, um, is he going to do two minute offense?
45:49Like I'm not, we got to see how it plays out.
45:52And that's why I was kind of unsure about the Tampa Bay offense this year.
45:57Well, Sean Tucker went on drafted, not because he's bad at football because he had a heart condition and it's been proven
46:03to be something he can play through and is no longer a major concern.
46:08And Kenneth Gainwell, you look at the news on Kenneth Gainwell.
46:11I mean, they're calling him the one B running back.
46:14And do you think this is like a beat reporter that's calling him that?
46:18Or do you think it's Todd Bowles? Who do you think is calling him the one B?
46:23If I had to guess, it would be Todd Bowles.
46:26It's Todd Bowles. Yeah. Todd Bowles calling Kenneth Gainwell the one B.
46:30So this is very much a committee and they also want to use Sean Tucker in short yardage.
46:35So this is the, it has nothing to do with the injury.
46:39It's just that it, well, they, yeah, well, okay.
46:42It does in that if you trace back cause and effect, why is this player on the roster?
46:47Okay. Well, it's, you know, why did they bring in Kenneth Gainwell?
46:51Well, part, part of it, yes, is because they saw injuries to Bucky Irving and they were concerned and they wanted to
46:57lock in a quality one B running back because of the injuries that have been occurring to Bucky Irving, which makes sense because he's 190 pounds.
47:05Yeah. This veteran depth. That's all that I thought.
47:08Kenneth Gainwell was just veteran depth. I don't think so.
47:11I think what they're saying is he's more than that.
47:14I don't, I think that Kenneth Gainwell will play a bigger role than Blake Corum this year in this offense.
47:20So it's a three-way split as opposed to just a two-way.
47:23This is the concern because you know, they've already said like, this is already something that coaches, not beat reporters, coaches, Sean Tucker.
47:30We love Sean Tucker inside the five yard line.
47:33They've said, this is, this is, we know this is true.
47:36And I like Sean Tucker. I like Sean Tucker everywhere, not just inside the five yard line.
47:41And I think that Sean Tucker throughout camp is going to make life very difficult for both Kenneth Gainwell and for Bucky
47:48Irving because he's so good and he has size.
47:51So this is one that concerns me when I was, I want to ask me, why aren't you, why aren't you drafting Bucky Irving here?
47:58Oh, Bucky Irving. He's a, he's the top value in ADP right now.
48:02You should draft him. No, thank you. No, thank you.
48:05I don't need, I don't need those problems, man.
48:08I don't want the headache. I don't want it.
48:11And then with Mike Evans leaving, I think that's a huge part.
48:14He's been with that team for so long. It was such a key role.
48:18Like how is that offense going to function without him there?
48:22We haven't seen that happen either yet. So that's curious to see as well.
48:26You know, I didn't think about that. That's smart.
48:29That's smart that you would, your brain would go there because you're right.
48:33Yeah. Mike, Mike Evans is certainly needs to be accounted for by defenses.
48:36Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I, I'm aware like the target consolidation is favored with running backs when wide receivers leave and all that.
48:43But even like that's, he was, you know, a cornerstone piece for that franchise.
48:48I mean, that's a big loss for them, whether they want to admit that or not in, you know, Tampa Bay, but.
48:54It's so funny because I've been in, I've been in such like, you know, number crunching draft kit rankings, cheat sheet mode.
49:01Yeah. That sometimes you forget, right? You're like guy leaves, especially Mike Evans.
49:05Vacated targets, vacated targets, vacated targets, vacated targets. Oh my God, vacated targets.
49:09Right. You're just vacuuming up the vacated targets because the law of the conservation of targets can't, can't wait back those up to assign them to other guys.
49:17Oh my God. And as I walk on, don't forget to dial back the offensive efficiency overall.
49:22Yeah. Yep. Yeah. I mean, these are key pieces.
49:25These are machines that operate. And when you take a piece out of a machine, it doesn't work the same.
49:31So it's going to be fun to see how it works out in preseason, but I'm excited.
49:36Thank you, Steven. That's exactly. Absolutely. It's very well said.
49:39So new Orleans, I talked about new Orleans earlier.
49:42I wanted to mention them as a committee because if Alvin Camaro is on the team, there's going to be a committee.
49:49Alvin Camaro is not going to be putting on a saints uniform and not expect to be out there, especially in passing situations.
49:56Whenever they need a big play, whenever they're, they're going to, you know, he's like, why do they keep playing Ronaldo at striker or Portugal?
50:03Why does Portugal keep playing? Because he's Ronaldo and he's going to have some big Ronaldo games.
50:08And you know that Alvin Camaro is going to have some big games.
50:12Yes. Even with Travis Etienne on the roster. I actually think that Alvin Camaro is a super sneaky best ball player.
50:18If there is very few, very few players that are just best ball options, almost always that player is also very valuable
50:25in, in, in managed leagues and just put them in flex and just ride the volatility or they're very valuable in dynasty.
50:32So I don't think much in terms of this is a best ball only type play.
50:37Alvin Camaro is one of the rare guys where in dynasty, it's like, he's near the end.
50:42You can't in seasonal leagues. It's like, I could never know when to play him, but in seasonal best ball leagues, Alvin Camaro, very attractive.
50:49And you know who, who is getting a ton of reps right now in a lot of their formations in New Orleans,
50:56basically playing the Alvin Camaro role in practice throughout OTAs.
50:59It's Ty Chandler. Ty Chandler has popped back up in the player profiler dynasty rankings because of this.
51:04He's now a factor. And I have already picked him up in some very deep dynasty leagues.
51:09I was like, Oh, because I'm in some of these leagues where you go to the waiver wire and you scroll for
51:16a minute and you're like, nevermind, I'm leaving. Nevermind.
51:19Like this was a waste of time. There's nobody available.
51:22Like, it's like, it's like one of those movies, like, yeah.
51:25And the tumbleweed comes, comes tumbling by and there's nothing there.
51:28But then those are the leagues. I, I sort of flagged those leagues.
51:32And I'm like, when a Ty Chandler suddenly becomes interesting or an, uh, an Ashton Doolin sudden becomes, suddenly becomes interesting.
51:39Like, Oh, Tyler, Ty Chandler could be an RB three on this team.
51:43Interesting. Oh, Ashton Doolin could be the wide receiver three.
51:46Oh, interesting. Let's go see if they're available in one of these like old Western leagues in the desert and then the talent desert.
51:53There they are. Oh, come to, come to daddy.
51:56Ty Chandler, come on down. It's not like Ty Chandler is going to be a league winner or anything, but I mean,
52:02for where he's going, he's going to put you up points and he has a solid floor being a PPR guy, man.
52:09He can catch the ball out of the backfield.
52:12Like the value is there. I like it. I like Devin Neal too.
52:15Coming out. I thought Devin Neal was, was an interesting, an interesting guy.
52:19Broke my heart with that injury last year. I needed him so bad.
52:23Just don't think that it's going to happen for him.
52:26This is worst case scenario. If you are a running back and you're trying to prove yourself throughout an off season to
52:33carve out a role and you're not available to be in these drills, someone's got to play running back and all these drills, right?
52:40Even if you're just helping the defense understand where their assignment is supposed to be.
52:45Sometimes the best ability is availability. You got to be out there.
52:48You get, if you're Devin Neal, it's heartbreaking that you can't get out there.
52:53Now, Devin Neal, two years from now will surface on a different team and potentially be a factor in fantasy football, just
52:59like Ty Chandler, who we wanted to be a factor in Minnesota is suddenly resurfacing in New Orleans and he's interesting.
53:05Yeah. And he had pop weeks when he was in Minnesota, which is why we're getting slightly excited about the potential that
53:12could be if something does happen and he takes a bigger share of that role or Kamara goes down or he gets hurt.
53:19I mean, he's a healthy guy, but I mean, he's getting, he's 32, something like that.
53:24He's old, man. Double handcuff, double handcuff. Ty Chandler is 28 years old and he's a double handcuff.
53:29He runs a four, three, eight. He has an all purpose skillset.
53:33I like him. I like him as the deepest possible stash you could ever imagine for these type leagues, you know?
53:39Wastelands. Yeah. And especially when you look at the quarterback situation with Tyler Shaw there, man, like it's dump off city all year long.
53:47He's going to be looking for escapes. He's going to need ways out.
53:50And that's why I had Alvin Kamara actually ranked a little bit higher in my rankings this year.
53:56I like the value there. There's lots of things to be enjoyed.
53:59In New Orleans. So we have two more teams on this list where we've heard the C word used Denver, Denver.
54:06So RJ Harvey is the trappiest running back I've ever seen in my life.
54:10I really like JK Dobbins. He's been really efficient.
54:13This is going to be a productive offense. They've upgraded the passing game with Jalen Waddle.
54:18Bo Nix is another year developed in the NFL.
54:20So he's approaching his peak. It just makes sense that they're going to hand the ball off to JK Dobbins.
54:26He's as healthy as he's been in many, many, many years.
54:30I can see JK Dobbins really having a thousand yard rushing season and he's an incredible value in all formats.
54:36Love JK Dobbins. But then knowing that he is going to be the guy on first and second down, then the question
54:42is, well, who's going to play on third downs and second and long and two minute drill.
54:47And it's not entirely clear, even though RJ Harvey soaked up a bunch of targets last year and look dynamic.
54:53I don't know exactly what Sean Payton's thinking. And it scares me balance.
54:57I mean, it was the same. We've been watching long enough.
55:01Even when he was in New Orleans, it was the same thing.
55:04He runs three running backs at a time. It's a headache to deal with.
55:09You don't know who he's going to play week to week.
55:12Um, all you can do is evaluate the talent and, you know, do your best.
55:16I try to stay away from Sean Payton running backs unless there's an injury.
55:21Um, but I do like the value for, you know, on the back end of the drafts this year, right?
55:27If they're sleepers. Yeah. Such a smart RJ Harvey.
55:29I'm out on RJ Harvey this year. He's going way too high.
55:33Um, I like the, the player because I don't like the value in drafts this year.
55:38I mean, he's coming down. Like his, his ADP is the air is coming out, but it's not happening fast enough.
55:44And so on player profile or across the board, season rankings, dynasty rankings, you'll see that, you know, we're out ahead of
55:51consensus on a guy like RJ Harvey, who is a complete trap and a stay away.
55:56And he's going to have weeks, right? He's going to have weeks.
55:59The only time I would ever draft him. And I won't, right?
56:03I mentioned there's one guy that I'm drafting specifically in seasonal best ball leagues and that's it.
56:08And that's Alvin Kamara. All the other players I'm drafting typically in other types of formats as well.
56:13RJ Harvey. I can't even say that. I, it would be the one league.
56:18I think the one format that I think would be defensible would be seasonal best ball.
56:22Cause then you can get those spike weeks. They're just going to be fewer and farther between then we really want.
56:29Yeah. And I completely agree with you on that.
56:31I think Alvin Kamara, he provides enough stability. He's been doing it long enough and he's cheap enough in drafts where, you
56:38know, he's going to get you points on your roster and he's has the potential to put up 25 points in a week.
56:45So explain this to me. I love it. Explain the difference in 2026 PPR fantasy football between Kamara and RJ Harvey.
56:51Explain this to me. Sean Payton. That's the difference.
56:54But I mean, think about what their production is going to be versus their ADP cost.
56:59Oh no, you're, you're not crazy. And that's why we like guys like Kamara.
57:03That was how I viewed Eckler last year as well.
57:06You guys, you see these guys with big opportunity roles and they're going later in drafts, like near double digit rounds.
57:12I respect the hell out of you. I respect the hell out of you.
57:17Listed a player that you were technically wrong about because it was a good process.
57:21Respect the hell out of that, that callback to Austin Eckler because it was a good process.
57:26Just like Alvin Kamara is good process. Yeah. Like I'm okay.
57:30As long as you're following the formula you got for yourself, it doesn't work out.
57:34I'm okay. I have my conviction. Like it's okay.
57:37It didn't work out. It didn't work out and we move on and we find someone else to pick up.
57:43This Washington backfield, man, this Washington backfield is tricky.
57:46It would be so much easier, so much easier if they had just given Rashad White more money.
57:51That part. And then there's still the Jaden Daniels issue.
57:54Like Jaden Daniels might be the leading rusher on the team this year.
57:58Probably will be. Yeah. And we're worried about our running back by committee.
58:02Like we might not have to worry about any of the running backs.
58:06The one, the one thing we've learned so far is that Katron Allen is not close to seeing the field.
58:12Yeah. And Krosky Merritt was just flashing the pan disappointment last year.
58:16Like that back, the running back room is not pretty.
58:19I wouldn't say that if you're going to start week one as a day three running back rookie, you have my attention.
58:25I'm impressed, right? I'm impressed. And he did produce.
58:28He had some weeks and he just didn't command any targets.
58:31And he has, again, sort of like a, he's like the RB1 version of Devin Neal, where technically he's in the RB1 spot on the depth chart.
58:39But similar to Devin Neal, he couldn't afford to miss this entire offseason.
58:43Yeah, that was, that's the unfortunate part of it.
58:46To miss all of the offseason program and the workouts and all in the installation of all the packages.
58:52That's tough, man. For a guy in his position, it is tough.
58:55I don't, it makes me think that it's Jerome Ford could make this team.
59:00And Jerome Ford solid. And he has been solid.
59:02Jerome Ford has been a solid, relatively efficient running back, especially on a team that's not scoring a lot of points, not
59:09creating a lot of opportunities in Cleveland. Jerome Ford was exactly like you said, solid.
59:13Yeah. He's not flashy. He's going to get you 12 to 18 points, but those are 12 to 18 points you can count on every week.
59:21And sometimes that's what you need. So keep an eye out on him.
59:25It's definitely a name to keep an eye out for, especially in these running back rooms this year where they're going to
59:32be going early and often, like just looking at mock drafts this year, like running backs are going fast, which is good
59:38to see people getting smart, but you know, it's okay.
59:41But yeah, I love Jerome Ford. I love the production, love the size.
59:45Just, just not a sexy name. No, but he had like you, he has been efficient and it's so ambiguous.
59:51We have no idea what they're going to do.
59:54Everything points to Rashad white, Rashad white. It's just, yeah, the money points there.
59:58It's hard because he's only making $2 million. It's like, I've been burned in the past with running backs where I was a truther for this running back.
60:07I believe he goes to another team cheap, but it's a shallow depth chart.
60:11And I'm like, doesn't matter. I'm in. And then I get burned.
60:15I'm like, but he just didn't have like the sort of the salary capital to command the role that he deserved.
60:21And it was like, oh man, that's a bummer.
60:24Uh, this happens to me time and time again.
60:26And so I, three years ago, I would be way out in front on Rashad white, but because I I've sort of
60:33processed these learnings, it makes me more aware of Jerome Ford and what Jerome Ford could be.
60:38And again, these deep leagues, really the deepest leagues that I'm in are dynasty leagues.
60:43So it turns out that the leagues where I actually have Jerome Ford are technically dynasty leagues.
60:48Cause it's like, listen, he's available. He's in an super ambiguous backfield.
60:51And if he is getting carries, let's say Katron Allen's not ready.
60:55Krosky merit disappoints. He fumbles like clearly missing the off season program hurts him dramatically.
61:00They have to call on Jerome Ford and early downs.
61:03And then what happens? He's really efficient because he's been an efficient runner in the past.
61:07And then he has Jaden Daniels and the Alfred Morris corollary.
61:11And then suddenly linebackers are being frozen and he's getting an angle that he didn't get in previous years.
61:16Suddenly Jerome Ford's looking great out there. We're like, remember Jerome Ford?
61:20It's like, yeah, we never forgot him, man. And we saw how effective the Washington offense was when Jaden Daniels fully healthy.
61:27And that was his rookie year. Like now he's coming in with another year, not experience, but he's been in the league.
61:33He's been in the rooms. He's been watching film.
61:36He's getting with the guys. I think this is an offense that is going to put up points.
61:41They have pieces to do it. It's just like you said, that ambiguous running back room, man, it's going to cause issues.
61:48And that's why I think Jaden Daniels finishes as, you know, six, 700 yards rushing this season.
61:53Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I, I just recently started just a, yet another startup.
61:57Everyone can feel free to invite me into their startup podfather at roto underworld.com.
62:02I'd love to, I mean, there's, I get a few more startups that are scheduled to go soon and kick off.
62:08This one is called the long game that I'm in.
62:11And I'll just, uh, I'll show you, show you what I got going on here.
62:16It's a, it's a fun, it's a fun situation, super flex tight end premium.
62:20And I chose the one Oh six smartly as it turns out, like the, the, one of the advantages of having the
62:26one Oh six is you can react. If there is chaos on one side of the board or the other, you can react and take advantage of it.
62:35You can either attack a position earlier than you, than you would have, um, or not, or just choose to play it.
62:41Cool. You can, you can definitely have a much, uh, less aggressive population.
62:45And more just take what the board gives you, uh, the one Oh six.
62:50And it turned out to be a very smart play because the guy at the one Oh one decided to hoard quarterback.
62:56And he started four straight quarterbacks, Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, Jalen hurts, Patrick my homes.
63:01So yeah, it, it was very interesting. It was a third round reversal with the tight end premium.
63:06And it was strange that hurts and my home is both, both made it to him, but he felt like he couldn't,
63:13he just couldn't let the value go. I don't think he went into it thinking he was hoarding quarterbacks.
63:19He was just like, I have these guys way ahead of everybody else.
63:23I have hurts and my homes way ahead of Garrett Wilson, way ahead of breeze hall, trade on Henderson.
63:28So I just got to, I got to do it.
63:31Um, and so when I saw that, I was like, okay, I started Jackson Smith and Jigba Herbert, and then Carnell Tate,
63:38as I mentioned earlier at the three Oh seven.
63:41And I had to go to quarterback. I went Mendoza.
63:44Uh, I just love Mendoza long-term. I think Mendoza is like a, a bigger, more athletic version of Joe Burrow.
63:50Uh, I said seeds, a shroud, but more accurate and smaller arm.
63:53Right. So he's like, yes. CJ. Yeah. Whatever it is, you want to mix CJ Stroud and Joe Burrow and Tom Brady, right?
64:00If you put, took Joe Burrow, CJ Stroud and Tom Brady and put them into one guy, it would be Fernando Mendoza.
64:07So, uh, Mendoza at the four Oh six and then flowers at the five Oh seven scataboo at the six Oh six.
64:13And then Jamison Williams, Jamison Williams, not a guy I ever draft, but sometimes the value is just so good.
64:20You have to just take the guy. Um, and this is start three receivers.
64:24So, uh, certainly with start three receivers, full PPR getting four receivers in the first seven rounds made sense, but I want
64:30to show you a particular player and look where he got drafted two picks before Carnell Tate at the three Oh five was George S Pickens.
64:38George S Pickens goes at the three Oh five.
64:41What do you think of that? I I'm coming around on George Pickens.
64:45I was completely off of Pickens last year. I, there may have been some slander things said about him.
64:51However, I was proven wrong. I think I have to eat some hot sauce for that one, but, uh, I'm, I'm coming around.
64:58I'm just not as high on him as I think everybody else is the talents there.
65:02Obviously it's just the situational certainty and what he's going to be is what I'm not sure on what's changed.
65:08Coach is the same quarterbacks, the same wide receiver rooms, the same.
65:12It's the contract situation. I don't know if it's going to be a long-term situation in Dallas.
65:17So if it's not the same next year, like where does his value go from there?
65:22I mean, is he back to what he was doing in Pittsburgh?
65:26Like who's his quarterback going to be? That's the only reason I'm still trying to tap or my taper my expectations on now.
65:32Oh, George Pickens there. Well, let's look at his season stats.
65:36We'll pull up his season stats for a moment for George Pickens.
65:39And last year, 137 targets, which was more than 30 more than he's ever commanded, but he was in Pittsburgh and his low volume puke offense.
65:47And he had an injury in 2024. So he missed some games still every season.
65:52Over 1300 air yards every single season. And he had four touchdowns per year.
65:56So he had an inordinately low touchdown total. Everything corrects, right?
65:59His yardage, you know, is still, you know, in line with his air yards, incredibly efficient.
66:04Look at the catch rate, like a super high catch rate.
66:07So he took maximum advantage of those air yards last year, maxed out his touchdowns and got to the wide receiver five.
66:14I think more reasonable is going to be something like 16 fantasy points a game.
66:19But at 16 fantasy points per game at age 25, he just turned 25.
66:23I say, why not? I say, why not? Think about it in dynasty.
66:27You're going to have his age 25, age 26 and age 27 seasons.
66:31And those are his super prime. So I would draft him right around Carnell Tate.
66:35In fact, we have them adjacent on the dynasty rankings.
66:38I like, I like, I like them both. The beauty is if he doesn't end up staying in Dallas, it is going
66:45to be for a mega contract elsewhere. It's going to be, he's going to have to go somewhere that's going to want to pay him the absolute max.
66:53And that team likely does not have another receiver.
66:56Probably not. If not, if it's George. Right. If there is another receiver that can command targets like they're like Seattle would never do that.
67:04I go down the board of all the teams that might be in the market to pay George Pickens, like give him
67:10that Godfather offer to get him away from Dallas in, in each of those situations.
67:15He, he's going to be the guy. Like, and you see this with Drake London, even though we hate the quarterback situation
67:21in Atlanta because he's the guy it'll take care of itself.
67:25So I, I think that the contract situation, it seems like something that would generate a lot of uncertainty, especially in dynasty.
67:31But I think he's good enough that he's either just going to stay in Dallas and they're not going to be able
67:38to, they're not going to, they're not going to be able to risk letting him walk because he becomes such a crucial
67:45cog of their offense that they, they, they'd have to go find the money.
67:49And then if not, if he's like, listen, I'm, I'm walking, I'm out of here.
67:53And he might, he might be the type of player.
67:56That's just like, I don't care what you're offering.
67:59I'm going to bet on myself and I'm going to put myself on the market.
68:04It no matter what I know you're, you're, this is the best possible offer.
68:08This is best in final. I'm going on the marketplace.
68:11I could see him having that kind of swagger, that kind of confidence, just the way he's wired.
68:16But I think either way, he's a, he's a, he's a slam in dynasty.
68:20I just think a few months ago, it would have been, it would have been very difficult for me to have confidence
68:27pushing the button on George Pickens in the third round.
68:30I'm not, I'm, I'm at the point now where I'm very confident.
68:34I would, I'm ha I would happily draft him in the third round of a super flex startup.
68:39Speaker 1 And the talents there, man, he's the best one-on-one receiver in the NFL, my opinion.
68:44So I get it. And to correct myself, like thinking about it, like if he comes back next year and signs an
68:51extension with Dallas, where is his value at then?
68:54Speaker 2 Oh, talk about upside. Yeah. That's the thing that could happen.
68:58Like I was told by many people that know how the NFL works.
69:01There's no way Cincinnati is going to extend T Higgins.
69:04They don't have the money. They don't want to spend it, even if they had it.
69:09And then what do they do? They extend T Higgins.
69:12So I'm like, I got to see George Pickens hit the open market to believe it.
69:17Speaker 1 I think I just convinced myself with that argument right there.
69:21Like if he, if we're back next year and he gets extended, like, where is he at?
69:26Then he's a 10 wide receiver. Yeah. Speaker 1 Yeah.
69:29Sick. Olave Olave. Yeah. We, he, he's right there too.
69:32Like Olave is like the next guy. Would you consider Olave to be a cornerstone asset of a dynasty team?
69:38Speaker 1 I think cornerstone, he has the pieces to do it.
69:42I don't know if I trust the health to call him cornerstone.
69:46Speaker 1 Okay. I think it's a little risky, but I mean, the production is there for him.
69:51He's a solid wide receiver target, but if I'm looking for a guy to be on my team for the next four
69:58to five years as a cornerstone piece, I don't know if he's going to be there for the entire year next year.
70:04So like, I got to taper my expectations a little bit.
70:08Like I want dependability for cornerstone pieces, not necessarily upside.
70:11If I'm shooting for upside, I'm shooting on lottery picks in the double digit round.
70:15Speaker 1 Question from the chat. I love having the live, the live stream.
70:19Everybody. Hey, if you're, if you're on this live stream, like the show, just like it, like it.
70:25Oh, subscribe to the channel. And, and then that'll help us live stream more.
70:29YouTube does not incentivize live streaming, but I love live streaming because I want to hear what the audience has to say.
70:36And there's lots of ways you can work around that.
70:39I just, I just turned the, I just turned the camera on and I go live and we see what happens.
70:45And Greg Wells has an interesting comment. He says, don't you worry that once Pickens gets the long-term guaranteed contract, he's going
70:52to go back to being a knucklehead. I don't know what knucklehead means in this context.
70:56I know that Rashi Rice is a knucklehead because Rashi Rice has had incidents involving law enforcement.
71:02Yeah. I mean, if you're standing on business and you're trying to get paid, I got no problems with it, man.
71:08Hold out on camp. All you want and get your money.
71:11Is George Pickens eccentric? Yes. Yeah. There are a lot of players that have, that have eccentric personalities that are going to do stuff that is disruptive.
71:19Zlatan Ibrahimovic. When he was at Barcelona, he was disruptive.
71:22He parked his Lamborghini in the coach's parking spot.
71:25He would do things like that. Okay. But he wasn't getting arrested that I know of.
71:30Okay. So that's the difference. I think you have eccentric personalities, hyper-competitive personalities that can create locker room tension.
71:36Yes. I believe that that is the reason why George Pickens is not in Pittsburgh.
71:40George Pickens is not in Pittsburgh because Pittsburgh really values locker room harmony and whoever it was, teammates, coaches, they didn't like
71:47George Pickens and they found a way to get rid of him.
71:50And instead of, like you said, seeing this as a business, it got personal.
71:55Somehow it got personal with George Pickens in Pittsburgh.
71:57And that's why they chose to make the fateful decision of replacing him with DK Metcalf, a much worse version of what George Pickens is.
72:05And that was a blunder that will continue to haunt Pittsburgh for years to come.
72:09So I don't see George Pickens as a knucklehead who's at risk of taking a year off and coasting or getting suspended by the league.
72:17I don't see any of those things. I see a hyper-competitive guy who has an eccentric personality and struggles to get along with everybody in the locker room.
72:25And there are some teams that are very good at managing those kinds of personalities and egos.
72:30Yep. It comes with the territory, man. You're a wide receiver for the Dallas Cowboys.
72:35Like it's kind of have to have that braggadociousness to you, man.
72:39Got to shoot your shot, talk your game. It comes with being a wide receiver in the NFL.
72:44Walbang comes in with another comment, says his on-field antics are just display of how passionate he is.
72:49And that's what Cody Carpenter said. He said, this guy's a dog.
72:53This guy's, he's actually, his dog rating is too high, right?
72:56So Cody said that there are a couple players out there whose dog ratings are so high that they're not optimal.
73:03Jawan Jennings is one. And we saw a personality got him kicked out of San Francisco, right?
73:08That was a personality clash because the things he does on the field are exactly what you want with Jawan Jennings.
73:14Just like George Pickens, the things he does on the field win games.
73:18That is what you want. But there is this other thing.
73:21So is that enough to concern me? Not really.
73:24The one thing I can tell you, he's not going to take a year off.
73:29He's not going to coast. That's not the George Pickens.
73:32He's a competitor, man. He wants to win. That's not the George Pickens personality.
73:36No, it's the opposite. That he's so intense that some people get uncomfortable in his presence.
73:41And I'm perfectly fine with that. But there's been a lot of Brian Thomas Jr.
73:45discussion. There's been a lot of Brian Thomas. Yes, there has.
73:49Every community, every Discord. Check us out on Discord.
73:51Player profile on Discord. I'm posting there frequently. And Brian Thomas, his movement up draft boards, his ADP rising, is not commensurate
73:58with the amount of buzz behind the scenes and buzz within fantasy communities.
74:02There's enough people that are not so plugged in like we are that are just avoiding Brian Thomas based on last year,
74:08suppressing his ADP, that all of the smart money and all of the plugged in players drafting Brian Thomas isn't enough to push him up.
74:16I think where we have him ranked would then equal his ADP.
74:20We're still out in front of consensus on Brian Thomas Jr.
74:23I am too. I'm high on Brian Thomas Jr.
74:26this year. Why you like him? And especially, I mean, this is year two with the Liam Cohn offense.
74:31And we saw Liam Cohn, all he does is come out and produce top five offenses, whether it's at Kentucky or in
74:38the SEC and now in Jacksonville or Tampa Bay.
74:41He knows how to run an offense. And Brian Thomas Jr.
74:44is a guy who's still on a rookie contract.
74:47This is a first round wide receiver with a pedigree that they've invested time and money into.
74:52I love the production value. I know there was some reports that he was a little banged up last year, but I
74:59think he should be back to 100%. He's had a full year to mesh with Trevor Lawrence at this point.
75:05So I love the production profile. I love the size.
75:08I love the athlete. This is like your classic post-type Sleeverman.
75:11I love the BTJ landing spot this year. I've pulled up his season stats.
75:15His yards per reception is exactly the same. Yeah.
75:18From 2024 to 2025. Like I said, love the production.
75:21His air yards are only off by a little over 200 from 2024 to 2025.
75:25It was just the efficiency wasn't there. Like the per target efficiency, his catch rate was close to 50% and his touchdown rate was incredibly low.
75:33We're talking about. Yeah. Two touchdowns. We're talking about a touchdown rate of 4%, like 4% of his catches were touchdowns on a perfectly productive offense.
75:41That's just random. That's just a pure outlier. So his season was an outlier anyway.
75:46Will he be what he was in 2024? No.
75:48And it's nothing to do with him. That's the thing.
75:51The reason why is they now have Jacoby Myers and they now have Parker Washington.
75:56And I, again, this is okay. So we'll talk about lessons I've learned over the years continually on this show.
76:02We talked about it once, right? Where I would be so all in on Rashad White if it were five years ago,
76:09just because the talent profile and I love big running backs that catch passes and are athletic.
76:14I mean, it's just like, oh my God, that contract value data point is such a red flag for me.
76:20Yes. And I have been so wronged by it in so many years.
76:24I just, I have to factor it in significantly.
76:26With Brian Thomas, I would normally be, when I see these air yards and I see this potential from a first round
76:33pick and mega athlete comparable to DK Metcalf in a good way.
76:37Yeah. Right? If he just had DK Metcalf's third season, wouldn't you love that?
76:41Wouldn't you love that? If he, if he posted the same season statistically as DK Metcalf's third season, you would love that.
76:47Of course you would love that. The problem for, for Brian Thomas Jr.
76:51is Parker Washington. And it struck me when I was thinking about this, that the player they're talking about extending is Parker Washington.
76:58And that's the same player they're not talking about.
77:01So we know that they are in talks to extend him and that information could have been leaked by Parker Washington's representatives.
77:08Yeah. Yeah. It could be that Jacksonville is on radio silence lockdown.
77:11No one's allowed to talk about Parker Washington until we get a deal done because we don't want anyone on their side
77:18of the negotiation to fully understand how valuable we think he is.
77:21Cause we're trying to get a discount. Yeah. It's like Carolina just got a discount on Jalen Coker.
77:27Yep. So what do you do in that situation?
77:30Well, let's talk about receivers not named Parker Washington on a loop.
77:33So this is part of the propaganda wars that we have to factor in.
77:37Yeah. Filter through and Brian Thomas is in the news because they want him to be in the news.
77:43Parker Washington is not in the news because they don't want him to be in the news.
77:48But guess what? It's getting out anyway. Beat reporters are talking about how good he's looked.
77:53Yeah. And that they want to extend him and that he's, he's, that they're in active negotiations for an extension.
77:59And that information just, it can't be fully suppressed.
78:02And it, so that it makes me think Brian Thomas is potentially an upside trap this year in that you love those
78:09air yards and you saw it a couple of years ago.
78:12But the environment has changed so much that if there's one player where you can write down the target share every year, it's Jacoby Myers.
78:19It doesn't matter what the team is. Could be New England.
78:23It could be Las Vegas. It could be Jacksonville.
78:25You need to write that target share down. It's not up for debate.
78:29It's not like someone's going to, Oh, suddenly Jacoby Myers is going to go from a 20% target share to 12.
78:36No, that's not going to happen. That's a lock.
78:38Now you have this player that is ascending, actively ascending in Parker Washington.
78:42Then you have Brenton strange and you're hearing news reports about how much the team loves Brenton strange and wants to get
78:49him involved and the Quinn Allen and get him involved in the passing game.
78:53Travis Hunter is going to be involved with gadget plays and on down the board.
78:58It's like suddenly the target math and the air yards math doesn't quite add up in this particular environment with this personnel, these personnel groupings.
79:05It doesn't quite add up to the upside I would like to believe is there for Brian Thomas.
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79:43No, I see what you're saying completely, but I think it's one of those situations where it's one way or the other.
79:49It's either they realize that he's not the guy and we just miss something that rookie year.
79:54Excuse me. Or it's, you know, Liam Cohen and tide raises all ships, man.
79:59And it's just going to be top five offense.
80:01And we see crazy things this year and all value.
80:04Sorry. And I, all the wide receiver assets are have value on that team.
80:09I see it as a business side. I'm not saying I'm fading Brian Thomas.
80:13I'm saying I would have been like waving the flag.
80:16He would be my number one by. Oh yeah.
80:19If I didn't sniff this out. The contract situation.
80:21That this is not quite what it seems. Yeah.
80:24Because of the lingering contract situation with Parker Washington, the Brian Thomas buzz, local beat buzz, isn't quite what it seems.
80:30So I think there's a bit of a conspiracy there to get fantasy gamers frothy about Brian Thomas.
80:36Not that they care about fantasy gamers. It's just what naturally happens when you, when you are actively suppressing positive news about a particular player.
80:43It has to go somewhere and it's going to land on Brian Thomas.
80:47Yep. Yep. And you're not wrong. I mean, it's Brian Thomas is the guy that's on the front of the papers on, you know, all week long.
80:55Like we don't really hear much about, you know, Parker Washington, but he has value.
81:00And this is going to be an offense with a lot of target share, man.
81:04And there's going to be so much volume on this offense.
81:08I think, especially with the running back room that they have and the ambiguity there, like it's just going to be pass, pass, pass.
81:15Yeah. Think about who, yeah. Think about, thank you.
81:18Just like Tennessee, right? This is why we want these teams in the South, AFC South, NFC South.
81:23We want teams in the South. Yeah. Their backfields are weak and they've stockpiled their wide receiver rooms with a Carnell Tate.
81:30Exactly. And Jacoby Myers and on down the board.
81:32Jared Dean is in the chat. He says, I'm currently in trade talks to acquire BTJ right now, but I'm shitting my pants.
81:39Ah, the upside is there. If you believe in the upside, which is why you made the trade and believe in the upside, I don't second guess yourself.
81:48The targets are going to be there. Like he has the talent and the pedigree to make a full bounce back to
81:54maybe not a top three fantasy asset. But I mean, that's, that's not out the window given how that offense works.
82:01I can't, I just can't quite get there, man.
82:03I wish I could. I really wish I could, man.
82:06If I were the, if I were the fantasy gamer, I was five years ago, I'd be right there with you.
82:13But I also appreciate the fact that we have invented a new fantasy term.
82:17Upside trap is new. No one's ever said that before.
82:20There's no such thing as an upside trap. We invented that term today.
82:24But somehow I knew exactly what you were talking about when you said it.
82:28So yeah, I like that one. Upside trap. Naughty 4662 writes, trust your pants, Jared.
82:33Trust them. Trust the process. Trust your pants, Jared.
82:35Trust, just trust, trust, trust. Guess who else? Who we got?
82:39Michael Wilson. The preliminary talks have been in discussion.
82:41This one, man, as an Ohio State fan, it hurts my heart.
82:45It hurts. Because like, this is the exact same situation as the BTJ thing.
82:49I just don't want to admit it at this point.
82:52It's a very, very tricky situation. Yeah. Because they are not going to throw at the same rate they did last year.
82:59They just drafted a running back, right? This is the thing, man.
83:03Sometimes you just have to take a step back and go, wait, their backfield is Basial Tootin and LaQuint Allen?
83:09Wait, their backfield is Tony Pollard and Tajay Spears?
83:11What are we talking about here? Of course they're going to be throwing the ball.
83:16Well, on the other end of that spectrum, oh, now their backfield is Tyler Algier in early Downs and Jeremiah Love every other down.
83:23And where does that leave Marvin Harrison? Well, behind Trey McBride, first and foremost.
83:27And then we don't know where he slots in with Michael Wilson.
83:31Michael Wilson is a player that I would have typically, because I was so out in front on Michael Wilson in his
83:38early days as a big time truther, loved him.
83:40Third round pick out of Stanford was like, this guy can really play.
83:44Best feet at the senior bowl. And had questions about Marvin Harrison Jr.
83:48that many others didn't. And then that would naturally logically leading you to be more bullish on Michael Wilson.
83:54But you go to the dynasty rankings on player profiler and you're like, wait a second, Michael Wilson, you guys should be higher on Michael Wilson.
84:02We have him at wide receiver 34. That is ahead of consensus, but not by a lot, right?
84:07Most people would think that we'd be way out ahead.
84:10But there are certain players that were more out ahead of players like Christian Watson, players like Josh Downs.
84:16We'll talk about in a little bit players like Parker Washington.
84:19There are these players that we are very much out ahead of, and they naturally will displace a Michael Wilson because he
84:26could be fourth on this team in targets. He could be behind Trey McBride, behind Marvin Harrison Jr., and behind Jeremiah Love.
84:32Or he's just better than Marvin Harrison Jr. For whatever reason, Marvin Harrison Jr.
84:37reached a level of competition that he was not ready to handle and that he was not prepared for.
84:42And this is in so many ways, especially for a top pick.
84:46If he were a second or third rounder, there wouldn't be nearly this much at stake.
84:51But you see this time and time again. For these guys that are top 10 picks, this third year is pivotal.
84:57I mean, it is almost everything where I'll say it.
85:00If he doesn't fire this year, if it doesn't happen for Marvin Harrison Jr., it's over.
85:05Like, think about how, just think about that. What is at stake for Marvin?
85:09If you have more, I have Marvin Harrison on a couple dynasty teams, ones I inherited, orphans, and I am terrified.
85:16And I would be, because he just brought up Brian Thomas.
85:19Like, I'm not worried about Brian Thomas. But for some reason, Marvin Harrison, I'm worried about Marvin Harrison.
85:24Terrifying. Yeah. Yeah, we have them adjacent in the dynasty rankings.
85:28They're right there. But I'll tell you, we have Brian Thomas ahead.
85:31Yeah. We have Brian Thomas ahead. And you can see where they stack up.
85:35Dynasty rankings. Dynasty rankings at playerprofile.com. Dynasty Deluxe. Yeah.
85:38And then they spent a third overall pick on a running back?
85:42After just taking Marv, like, they're going to run the ball.
85:45They're going to use this, dude. Like, it's, their warning signs are there.
85:49Like, I'm staying away from Marv this year, unfortunately.
85:52You just have to sidestep this, right? You don't need to be a hero.
85:56Like, you don't even need to get Michael Wilson now.
85:59Like, in dynasty or even seasonal leagues that allow trades, you can trade for him.
86:04I can promise you, Marvin Harrison Jr. is not going to play 17 games this year.
86:08He's not going to. He's not built for this.
86:11It's not going to happen. So there is going to be a time.
86:15If you could time it just right, maybe he starts slow.
86:18The thing is, a guy like Michael Wilson, his dynasty value is so fragile.
86:23That if he just has a couple weeks where he starts slow, there were already doubters that his 2025 production was fraudulent
86:29because it was the end of the year when they were leading the league and pass rate.
86:34And there was no Marvin Harrison Jr. Yeah. Because he seemed like such a situational spike week specialist, you take away that
86:41situation and you put him in more of a league average situation.
86:45So many people are expecting, so many fantasy gamers, just expecting him to revert back to the mean and just be irrelevant.
86:51And so if you just give them a couple of weeks of Michael Wilson, five targets and eight fantasy points, give you
86:58get you feed that to them, man. There's going to end it.
87:01And a lot of those people are heavily involved in the fantasy industry.
87:05And there's going to be all these articles. There's going to be all these social posts.
87:10There's going to be all this like when to cut Michael Wilson, that he's dead, all these things.
87:16Michael, you're going to have plenty of opportunity to buy low on Michael Wilson.
87:20Yeah. And the nice thing is you may actually have the safety and security of a contract extension to fall back on where they extend.
87:27OK, so what happens is they extend him. Then it looks like they made a huge mistake after a couple of weeks that they overpaid.
87:35Right. So then now he's you can see the Cardinals after a couple of weeks getting mocked for overpaying Michael Wilson.
87:41So in that situation, his contract value won't help his value.
87:45He is going to crater no matter what. And then us that are looking at all the data points are like, well,
87:51we have this contract and it's not like Marvin Harrison Jr.
87:54is playing that well either. It's just the offenses run heavy and Trey McBride and they have bad quarterback play below average quarterback play by low.
88:02Right. So so you I just want to make sure that the people in this audience that see the dynasty rankings and
88:09are concerned about where we have Michael Wilson like you guys are not eating at your own restaurant.
88:14What's happening? Just just wait, just there will be plenty of opportunity.
88:18Just just don't worry. Don't worry. We have him rated properly.
88:21I have I have I have never had this much confidence in our dynasty rankings ever.
88:26My history in this business. The player that we need to talk about the most is Josh Downs.
88:32Thank you, because Josh Downs is the type of player again that if I were the man I was five years ago,
88:38I would not be talking about Josh Downs. I would be actively rooting against Josh Downs and I'd be just blindly buying
88:45all the Alec Pierce and taking all the the the coach sentiments about Alec Pierce returning to action quickly on face value.
88:51Yeah, instead of seeing it for what it really is.
88:54And now I feel like I'm seeing the world the way it is.
88:58Again, just experience. It's called wisdom. Actually, it's called wisdom.
89:01Steve, it's called wisdom. We're getting there. We're getting a couple of grays.
89:05So yeah, I have I have a few grays up here.
89:09You can see that I have a couple of grays.
89:12You know, I live a pretty easygoing life, so I don't have that many gray hairs.
89:17But you work in fantasy football for a living.
89:19It's if you have gray hairs, I mean, something comes with the territory.
89:23Well, no, actually, you shouldn't. If you do have gray hairs, you need to stop taking it so seriously.
89:29It's but I mean, we but you know, I'm able to take this very seriously and not get stressed out about it.
89:36And because I'm the pod father, Josh Downs is now the type of player that I appreciate to such a high level
89:42that I want him everywhere in every league. It's like he's in the center of the Venn diagram for me, where he's going to get all the targets.
89:51He's actually a great athlete. He's under the radar.
89:53He's underappreciated. He's on a team that has maximal target consolidation with an underrated quarterback.
89:58And but but there's actually continuity there between him and the quarterback of the offensive line and and the other top target
90:04earner on the team, which is not Alec Pierce.
90:07It's actually Tyler Warren. So you're seeing incredible you're seeing incredible target consolidation.
90:11I think the most target consolidation around the league because Alec Pierce is not participating in any of the offseason program.
90:17So every target is going to Warren or Downs, Warren or Downs and some JT.
90:22Don't forget about JT. JT's gone up in our dynasty rankings recently because it's like, hey, listen, the math is the math
90:29and JT is going to catch more passes this year.
90:32Just watch out for it. So, you know, you have a guy that's small and I'd be like, man, I don't know.
90:38This is a Wondell Robinson situation. And be like, no, no, no, no, no, no.
90:43This is not a Wondell Robinson situation. Josh Downs set the record for receptions for as a sophomore in all of college football history.
90:50He's the most productive by some measures. Josh Downs, the most productive sophomore in the history of college football at the wide receiver position.
90:57That's what an incredible, mind-blowing talent he is. His ability to get open, his ability to squeeze the football.
91:03He can even get downfield. He runs a sub 4-540.
91:06He has an 88th percentile burst score and an 87th percentile agility score.
91:10And like you said with Marv, man, year three wide receivers, like this is the year to break out.
91:16And this is a guy that like I've had Josh Downs in starting lineups.
91:20I haven't had Alec Pierce in starting lineups. I don't trust him.
91:23I didn't like the athletic profile that Alec Pierce brought.
91:26I thought the contract that he got was insane.
91:29Like I really like Josh Downs and especially this year.
91:32He's going in what? Double digit rounds ADP wise.
91:35Like the values there. He has solid upside. Like I, there's a lot to like about Josh Downs this year.
91:41There's everything to like. Yeah. There's everything to like about Josh Downs and equally everything to like about Tyler Warren.
91:47Tyler Warren is going to outproduce Colston Loveland. I think Tyler Warren, for all the reasons we talked about a few minutes
91:54ago, Tyler Warren's going to outproduce Trey McBride. And that was one of my learnings.
91:58When I fully digested our draft kit, I was like, holy shit.
92:02Tyler Warren's going to outproduce Trey McBride. When you look at that team environment versus the team environment in Arizona, what we're
92:08talking about here, and you look at the talent profiles of this guy where Tyler Warren is just getting started.
92:14Tyler Warren has massive massive, massive upside as a top 15 pick and Josh Downs.
92:19I mean, he was a day two pick. He wasn't like a late round guy.
92:23And the only reason he fell that that far is because there's a bias against guys that are that small.
92:30But I mean, this is a, this is a rare opportunity where a team really only has two receivers and Alec Pierce
92:36likely not going to be ready for week one.
92:39So when week one you're, you could see a 30% target share for both Warren and Downs week one.
92:45It's insane to think about. It sounds crazy. But it's when you actually sit down and you pencil it out.
92:51It's like, oh my, oh my God. The targets have to go somewhere and he's talented enough to like do something with it.
92:58We've seen it the last two years. Like he can put up points.
93:01So he was a solid wide receiver to the back half of last year.
93:06Like I, like I said, I really liked Josh Downs.
93:09And then we get to Tyler Warren. Like this, I didn't expect the Tyler Warren thing last year.
93:14I slept on Tyler Warren. My apologies. Big mistake.
93:17I, I, yeah, I ain't sleeping this year. Like Tyler Warren and where he's going in drafts this year in the fifth round.
93:24I am scooping him up in every single draft possible.
93:27I don't care. Like it's one of those things where in best ball, I'm fine.
93:31If you don't get Daniel Jones, now you will get Daniel Jones.
93:35If you draft Tyler Warren and Josh Downs, you're going to be targeting Daniel Jones, but you don't need to get him.
93:42You get, you could be perfectly happy with a lineup that has two receivers on it, but not the quarterback just because it's fine.
93:49It's perfectly fine. Yeah. Because even if it is Riley Leonard, that's perfect.
93:53Riley Leonard, the guy that he can't hit, if it is Riley Leonard and probably, I think similar to what we talked
93:59about earlier with, you know, players we know are not going to play 17 games.
94:04Marvin Harrison Jr. ain't playing 17 games. Daniel Jones ain't playing 17 games, right?
94:08Riley Leonard is going to be out there and who's going to be throwing the ball to short intermediate downs.
94:14And Warren Downs is going to go for top 10 yak, right?
94:18This is the year guys like Josh Downs gobble up the yak.
94:21And sometimes they have an outlier yak season and Josh Downs can get an outlier yak season and outproduce Marvin Harrison Jr.
94:28So I'm telling you, you have Warren and Downs together could outproduce Trey McBride and Marvin Harrison.
94:33It sounds silly. I'm fully with you. That's there's no surprise here.
94:37First of all, it's not, it's not, it's not our baseline projection, but there is a world, we'll say 25% chance that
94:43that's what happens, that that plays out that way.
94:46And that's 25% chance where the vast majority of fantasy analysts would say 0% chance.
94:51And I'm saying no, 20, 25, 30% chance Warren and Downs outproduce Marvin Trey McBride.
94:55I think they can both be solid starting options in any roster this year.
94:59I love the value on both men. I really do.
95:02I thought them giving Alec Pierce the contract was a little crazy.
95:06I don't think he warranted the extension. It was absolutely insane.
95:09I was like, what the hell is this? Why are they giving this guy over a hundred million dollars?
95:15Who's done essentially nothing for the team? Like Josh Downs, like what's up point?
95:19Yeah. That part. When I saw that contract come in, this is what I was thinking about Colts fans.
95:25Sad news, man. Yeah. I mean, it was rough, but, and especially when you look at like where he's going in drafts,
95:32he's going in like the 13th round, Josh Downs, something like that.
95:35It's too late. He's free. He's moving up. He's moving up.
95:39There's a lot of buzz about him out there.
95:41A lot of news reports. There's new news reports all the time coming out that he's moving all around the formation.
95:48And, and, and, and I hate it. Cause I'm like, we, we, we, we, we knew this was happening weeks ago.
95:54We've been talking about Josh Downs for months. Now you're letting everyone that was just casually paying attention to football news to know what's going on.
96:02And that's a little bit frustrating. I got to tell you a little bit frustrating.
96:06Let's see when the news came out player profile.com slash news 17 hours ago.
96:11So 17 hours ago, this was posted on player profile.com slash news.
96:14Look at this. Okay. Josh Downs lining up all over the place in expanded role.
96:19Okay. Of course he is because of course he is.
96:22Yeah. This is not a one-dimensional slot receiver. He happens to be small, but he is a different player than Wanda Robinson.
96:28I love the production profile out of Josh Downs, man.
96:31Like this is, he might be like, he's going to be a solid pick, man.
96:36Like wide receiver to lock and loaded. I think all year long the targets, like, I don't know why his value is so low.
96:43If the targets are so guaranteed, like it doesn't make sense.
96:46Let's talk about some, some deeper wide receivers. Another guy that the news has, has come out just a drumbeat of positive
96:53news, especially in light of lad McConkie's hamstring injury is Trey Harris.
96:57Have you dug into Trey Harris at all? Uh, I have not.
97:00So I would be loved to hear your opinion on him.
97:04Okay. Yeah. Trey Harris. I haven't touched. Trey Harris is very interesting in that he was a dominant college receiver in the sec at old miss.
97:11Okay. He had a high dominator rating. And he also, he ran the full route tree.
97:16He produced against man coverage. He produced against zone.
97:19Right. And he ran real routes. He wasn't just getting schemed into space.
97:23He wasn't just running like some of these college systems.
97:26It's like, it's a button hook or a fade.
97:29He's not, he's not doing that. That's what they said about Chris, like Chris bell, like, Oh, Chris bell.
97:34He's either, he's just running button hooks and fades.
97:37And then, yeah, he didn't have the most diverse route tree.
97:40Trey Harris ran a diverse professional route tree came out early.
97:44Right. And all of the, all of the, the, the, the reports coming out of Los Angeles camp are that he is excelling, that he is a sleeper.
97:52We're already getting people like Albert Breer, right? We're not talking about fringe beat reporters.
97:57No one's heard of. We're talking about like sports illustrated Albert Breer.
98:00Like if Albert Breer is talking about Trey McBride, there's something to it, right?
98:05Quinton Johnston's there. Quinton Johnson's going to put up another 800 yard season.
98:08That's what Quinton Johnston does. Lad McConkie is injured.
98:11Lad McConkie tweaked a hamstring at the exact wrong time.
98:14Now Trey Harris is going to get all those snaps.
98:17He is super versatile. He can play the Quinton Johnson role.
98:21He can play the Lad McConkie role. I mean, I went back and I looked at every target, you know, I looked,
98:27I looked at video replay of every target. And again, he was showing off that incredible, diverse route inventory that he has
98:34at his disposal already at an early age. And he, again, athleticism, explosiveness, 128.0, 81st percentile burst score to go along with
98:40a 73rd percentile college dominator in the SEC. They draft him in the second round.
98:45They use him enough, but when he, again, when they did target him last year, they were in clutch situations.
98:51A lot for, for first downs, a lot were, were, were difficult catches in traffic.
98:56And so he's been building trust, you know, a healthy off season to just continue to get acclimated and get, get sort
99:02of deployed in different areas of the field. And so this is one of those offenses where we're trying to get exposure
99:09to the chargers and, and who's inexpensive with upside Trey Harris.
99:12You're, that might be the best scenario that you just laid out is trying to find value on the offense that we want pieces of.
99:20That's what we're talking about today. It's the whole theme of the show.
99:24Yeah. Yeah. And then especially given like the lab McConkie injury and again, like this was an issue the year before that.
99:30And then, but yeah, Trey Harris, like for that value and what we were expecting from that offense, like it's worth taking a shot and looking at.
99:38So I like it. I'm not mad at it.
99:41Under the radar news item that came out on player profile or news Colby young Colby young is someone that we need to monitor.
99:48Colby young is now in the running to be the wide receiver three in Cincinnati.
99:53And this is an offense we want exposure to period.
99:56That's it. You want exposure. We're on the top offenses.
99:59We have the Cincinnati Bengals projected to lead the league in pass attempts.
100:03And so having the third receiver on a team that does not have 12 personnel as a featured grouping, it's just Mike Gusecki, right?
100:10Mike Gusecki and Eric all again, this is just like the Tennessee Titans, you know, bottom five, a tight end talent profile.
100:17On their team, right? The bottom five, tight end group Colby young, fourth round pick 95th percentile speed score.
100:22Huge, big bodied guy. He is essentially T Higgins.
100:25They're just, I don't know what they're like. Hey, we have T Higgins backup, but what they could do is they could
100:32play one of these two guys at X. And then, then this tells if they want to put him on the field,
100:38this tells me they were, they're going to try to move Jamar chase more into the slot.
100:43That's fun for Jamar chase. It's hard to be higher on Jamar chase, but you can see the logic of why they might want to do that.
100:52And Colby Young is interesting. Yep. And this is a guy that my Georgia insiders, like we're telling me about, like keep an eye on this guy.
101:00He's big. You could potentially take over that outside role and allow for some more versatility for Jamar chase, line them up outside mismatches and all that.
101:08But yeah, big dude, man. These are the kind of wide receivers that I like.
101:12You're like big six foot five, go up and get it in the corner of the end zone guys.
101:18So this is a name that I've been keeping an eye on, especially from down here in Florida being so close to
101:25Georgia, but I like him a lot. He plays hard.
101:28He's a good dude to like watch out for.
101:31I like it. He was relatively productive at Miami before transferring to Georgia.
101:34And then he was just buried at Georgia. And then he only played in eight games last year, but his catch rate was 73%.
101:42Like he just wasn't that heavily used. He was never fully integrated into the offense and that's okay.
101:47That's how you can find some value is a guy just gets lost in the shuffle at a big program.
101:53Lad McConkie wasn't that productive at Georgia either. That's why I was like surprised.
101:57Everyone was so high on lad when he came out.
102:00I was like, I like him, but I don't like him the way everyone is like potential third round redraft leagues.
102:07I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. That's a little crazy.
102:10As soon as I saw he was competing with Yoshivas for targets as the wide receiver three, I was like, but yeah, I was like slap my forehead.
102:18Yoshivas is a guy in the deepest dynasty leagues.
102:21I'm never picking up Yoshivas and I should be just based on based on his role in the offense.
102:27I should be, but I refuse because he's, I know he's the ultimate Jag wide receiver.
102:32So then I should also be open to someone coming in and competing with him.
102:36And that's Colby Young. No, I love it. Especially he's going undrafted in any format this year for, I mean, what you potentially could get out of him.
102:45Like it's, there's a lot to be liked there, especially for a red zone target like that, like big dude.
102:51It's a great stash. I mean, I really don't like to draft late round wide receivers in rookie drafts, but this particular
102:57year, the running back position is so shallow. There is so few running backs even drafted.
103:02I mean, these drafts where third rounds over and all the drafted running backs are gone.
103:07Like Heidenreich's gone. Yeah. That's what I saw. He's just crazy.
103:10Running backs are going hot and heavy, man. They're all gone.
103:14Jam Miller's gone. So I'm drafting in the fourth round of these rookie drafts and all the running backs are gone.
103:20They're all gone. And Jamari Taylor runs a four seven.
103:23And it's like, what am I going to do here?
103:26I'm going to draft another tight end, you know, I mean, like, but what if it's not tight end premium?
103:32Well, I don't know. Suddenly there's a couple of wide receivers where I'm like, I can make a case for this guy.
103:39I make a case for Cyrus Allen in Kansas city.
103:42I could see this happening. And he's in the situation for the case to be made.
103:47There's a couple of wide receivers, rookie wide receivers that I would draft in the later rounds or that I'm picking up
103:53in these dynasty leagues where in past years, I just like, don't have the roster space or the inclination to even entertain
104:00rookie receivers that are late round picks, undrafted might get out of here.
104:04That it, the probability is so slim, but in the case of a Colby young, it's like, well, this is the highest
104:10scoring, highest volume pass attack in the league. This guy does have a pedigree.
104:15He was targeted by Georgia. They wanted him right.
104:17And they paid for him with an IL money to transfer from Miami.
104:21Interesting. Right. He was a day to pick almost.
104:24Yeah. He was almost a day to pick round four.
104:27You know, that's early day three Cincinnati appreciated him to the fact that they didn't want to let him slip into the fifth round.
104:34So there's, you start to, there's always one or two receivers you can build a case for, but most of the time
104:41there's enough running backs where you're just stockpiling those guys and you never get around rostering guys like Colby.
104:47This year's rookie class is so shallow. That I find myself rostering Colby young and a bunch of teams and I'm, and I'm happy to do it.
104:55Now, a guy I have ahead of him is in the same state, but on the polar opposite end of the spectrum offensively.
105:02And that's Isaiah bond bond, Isaiah bond. It was a lot of, a lot of, a lot of buzz, but Isaiah bond right now.
105:09I'm surprised there wasn't more last year when he got drafted, undrafted by Cleveland.
105:13I mean, they are designing plays for him routinely.
105:16Okay. And he has been the standout in camp.
105:19And even when they talk about Casey conception, they talk also about Isaiah bond, right?
105:23And he was, you read here, he was the Browns most improved player according to Todd Monkin.
105:28Okay. And that, you know, no Cleveland receiver was targeted more than Isaiah bond throughout the spring.
105:33That's a quote from Daniel or Fuse Lee or Fuse from ESPN.
105:37Well, I think going back and looking at their wide receiver room, like if Isaiah would have came out, which is a
105:44regular prospect, I think he has the highest pedigree and talent out of their wide receiver room right now, which is why
105:50I was surprised when he went undrafted and it was basically unmentioned to everybody, but he was coming off the injury.
105:57So like it, I, we were expecting it to take another year for him to get back on the field, but for
106:03him to come out and be improved like that and take a step forward for a blue chip prospect like this, like
106:10we, it's good to see, especially as a Cleveland fan, like we need something on the outside, man.
106:15We need anything. So, I mean, this is just another drop of the bucket leading to tilting the, the tendencies of fantasy gamers.
106:22Okay. Again, two, three, four years ago, you hear about domestic violence.
106:26You hear about incidents with police, take that guy off your board.
106:29Like we were burned so badly by Josh Gordon.
106:32And that wasn't even, those weren't even like violent incidents.
106:35That was just, those are just controlled substance violations.
106:38And, but then you have really serious incidents like with Henry rugs and you go down the list and like, there's so many.
106:45And then most recently with Rashi rice getting suspended, but you start to look at it.
106:50So many of these players where there were allegations made and there was the expectation of a suspension looming and nothing happened, right?
106:57Josh Jacobs, Gino Smith. There's not nearly the freak out that we would have seen just even a year ago because we're now getting trained.
107:04We're all learning and getting trained to the NFL is going to, is going to hurry up and wait.
107:10And they're going to let, let the investigation play itself out.
107:13And then they'll make an assessment. And even then they may or may not take any action.
107:18Yeah. It seems like there's almost like a six to eight month waiting period after any decisions made before the NFL even makes another decision.
107:26So that's right. See, that's the thing. Even when there is a verdict, then there's months before there's even a ruling at
107:32the end, then another season can roll. Why? It is like the Supreme court of the NFL council still has to make their ruling.
107:40We have to reprogram ourselves to take more risks on players that have had incidents off the field, even those that are involving law enforcement.
107:47And so Isaiah bond falls completely out of the draft.
107:50And when you hear that, it sounds so serious.
107:53Like what we know must be dwarfed by what the NFL knows if they're not even going to draft him.
107:59And then all of a sudden you look up and you're like, well, wait a second.
108:04He hasn't been suspended and no one's talking about this.
108:07Now this was a really big deal a year ago.
108:10Now it's like it never happened. And he's the standout in camp and he's hogging all the targets and he's making Jerry
108:16Judy an afterthought and he's challenging Casey Concepcion. And he's the reason why Denzel Boston is probably going to be a bust.
108:23I have so much the confusion with the Cleveland wide receiver room.
108:27Cause everything I hear is this guy's popping off.
108:29This guy's popping off. This guy's popping off. Like I'm not, who's the pop guy?
108:34Cause the number one receiver is going to be Harold Fannin jr.
108:38The number two receiver is going to be Casey Concepcion.
108:41And then the number three receiver is up in the air.
108:44The number three receivers up in the air. The number three receiver could be Denzel Boston.
108:49Probably not because he can't separate. It could be Jerry Judy, but probably not because he's dust and he doesn't want to be there.
108:56He's not built for this. So just by process of elimination, Judy's not built for this.
109:01Doesn't want to be there and had his career ruined by Steve Smith.
109:05By the way, Steve Smith came at Jerry Judy.
109:07He was never the same. Steve Smith came at the pod father and only got stronger, bigger and stronger.
109:13I love Steve Smith, man. He has great takes, especially when it comes to wide receivers.
109:18Like that's who I go to for wide receiver information.
109:21So I don't like his takes about the pod father, but otherwise he's fine.
109:25But yeah, I mean, that's there's, I mean, it's been so difficult being a Cleveland fan.
109:30Let me just say that it's just a headache, man.
109:33And we keep waiting for the next one. Keep waiting for the next one.
109:37I'm telling you, you got to draft Isaiah bond.
109:40This isn't just like, Oh, I only like him in this one very specific best ball league.
109:45Oh no. Isaiah bond is a smash across the board.
109:48He's a dog, man. Yeah. That's like, I don't post a lot on X, but I posted last year when they picked him up.
109:55I was like, this is news. Like people need to be aware about this.
110:00And like, no one said anything. Yeah. I mean, you, you, we are player profile.com slash news player profile.com slash news.
110:06We've got it. We've, we've got the quotes from the coach.
110:09We've got the observations from the beat reporters. It's all right there on the Isaiah bond player page.
110:15The best player pages in the history of sports media are at player profiler.com.
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111:02Yeah. We're going to get, we're getting plugged in here.
111:05So, okay. More news. Oscar Delp is going to be involved.
111:08Okay. Also we know Juwan Johnson's not going anywhere.
111:11He's in a super prime. Also, we know that Chris Olave led the league in air yards.
111:16And also there's a, there's a guy named Devon Vele.
111:19He is essentially an older version of Trey Harris.
111:22He very much has that Trey Harris game where he squeezes the football in traffic.
111:26He seems to always be available, has that, you know, complete route tree where he can win in all quadrants of the
111:33football field and it completely and utterly disregarded. I love him as one of my favorite wide receiver threes.
111:39Again, it's one of those teams where they don't have jumbo packages.
111:42Like Oscar Delp is the other tight end. They don't have one of these Charlie Kohler, Dawson Knox prototypical 12 personnel blocking tight ends.
111:50So because of that, you're going to see more three receivers.
111:53You're, we're going to see a lot of three receiver.
111:56We're going to see a lot of three receiver sets in new Orleans.
112:00I don't know how to get the math to work for Jordan Tyson this year.
112:04How do we get the math to work for Jordan Tyson this year?
112:08I don't know. Cause like everyone, he has to be the wide receiver too.
112:13And it would have to be probably a top half offense in the NFL.
112:17They will be, I think they're going to be, they're going to be a good offense.
112:22Tyler shucks a smash. I mean, he's going to have to get 70 receptions and a thousand plus yards and probably five
112:28touchdowns, which for a rookie is the odds of that happening are not very good.
112:33The presence of veille, the presence of Juwan Johnson.
112:35And now this buzz about Oscar Delp and Oscar Delp was an athletic receiving tight end.
112:40And then now we have Alvin Camara, you know, Alvin Camara shows up in his saints uniform and then he doesn't even
112:47need to like, he goes to the grocery store in his saints uniform.
112:51Like everyone sees him around town in new Orleans, wearing his saints uniform.
112:55And he's like once in a new Orleans. Yeah.
112:58I'm coming back baby. And they're like, but I heard they don't want you.
113:02I don't care, but they don't want, I don't care.
113:05They're getting me too bad. I've been here long enough.
113:08They're getting Alvin Camara this year. So I mean, then in the saints, they see all these other teams were like, Oh,
113:14we got these young explosive tight ends. You don't think they want to be part of that conversation too.
113:20Like, Oh, look at us. We can draft these young tight ends too.
113:24Look what we can do. All right. So go, go Jen.
113:27You have people in the chat that are just, I think they're just saying things to say them because they just want to set me up.
113:35Jordan Tyson. If Olave's blood clots rear their head, they're not going to, that was evaluated as a one-time occurrence.
113:41We talked to the assistant medical doctor, team doctor.
113:44We talked to the assistant medical team doctor for the Broncos specifically about Chris Olave.
113:48And these tend to be just inexplicable lightning bolt events.
113:51The blood clot happens for unknown reasons. It's a series of unfortunate events, right?
113:56It's just, like I said, unpredictable and likely not to be replicated event that occurred inside his body.
114:01They intervene. They dissolve it. He shows up for mandatory training camp with a clean bill of health, ready to go.
114:07There's no problems. There's no problems. And there will not be more blood clots with Chris Olave.
114:13Certainly there could be, but my prediction is there won't be.
114:16I don't think we're going to hear any more about blood clots, but I love the Q tag.
114:21I love when you're drafting. Again, I was just in a startup and I thought there was no chance I was going to get Chris Olave.
114:29And then because of the Q tag, he almost made it back to me.
114:33Almost. I was like, Oh, I could get it.
114:36Yeah. Middle of the fourth round. I was like, they're not going to, cause I had, you know, I had to draft Carnall Tate obviously.
114:44So then, then I'm like, Oh my God, is, is Olave going?
114:47And I'm like, Oh, you always want to be open.
114:50You want to be open to the universe, making things happen for you.
114:54So on the league, I won my championship last year.
114:57It was JSN in the third round. And I was like, well, what is this happening?
115:02I was like, okay, give me JSN in the third round.
115:05So wow. Yeah. We play with dumb dumbs. That's, that's what happened.
115:09No, I'm just saying that that's pretty amazing. Uh, bank that bank that value.
115:13My friend love that. I didn't get him, but it was close.
115:17And he was like the number one player on the ADP board.
115:20And I'm like, this is the Q tag. This is, you just can't draft the guy because of the Q tag.
115:27So there's a Q tag on Laporta. Like he's top of the board.
115:31There's a Q tag on Bucky Irving. There's a Q tag on Chris Olave.
115:35No one wants to draft the Q tag. That's why I have so much Patrick Mahomes.
115:40See, I actually don't mind drafting the Q tag because you usually get a discount on it.
115:45And if you have two IR spots, definitely take it and hopefully he comes back healthy later in the season.
115:51I love the Q tag and double digit rounds.
115:54One more tight end situation, tight end room that I think is interesting.
115:58So Oscar Delp isn't going to challenge Jawan Johnson for targets this year, but he is very interesting.
116:03He is a high quality, uh, he's a high quality receiving tight end.
116:07And he's a great dynasty stash, especially in PPR and especially in tight end premium.
116:11Oh my God. I love Oscar Delp in dynasty, but not in any other format.
116:16But when you see those news items, it's not necessarily about drafting the guy they're talking about.
116:21It's about running it through a prism of, okay, what does this mean for this team?
116:26And then you, it leads you down the road of wait, I think we're, we, we, we can't be drafting Jordan Tyson hardly ever this year.
116:34It leads you to a Jordan Tyson fade as opposed to being somehow bullish on Oscar Delp.
116:39And I think that's indicative in the ADPs this year too.
116:42I think Jordan Tyson's like 15th, 13th round, something like that.
116:46Like almost every day that goes by, it used to be that Tyson and Tate were adjacent like, and also their lifetime
116:52value ratings were, were, uh, super close on player profile and dynasty deluxe.
116:56And almost every day, like there's this, there's this widening of the disparity between Tate and Tyson every day that goes by.
117:03It's getting more and more sour. It just keeps getting worse and worse.
117:07Yep. Well, there are two ships passing in the night.
117:10I mean, one guy keeps going up, one guy keeps going down.
117:13Tate's going up baby in Los Angeles. Terrence Ferguson is the tight end that they are invested in.
117:19The team clearly wants Ferguson to be the tight end one there.
117:22Everyone knows Higby's dust. I hope Higby gets caught.
117:25I would love for Higby to be, he's not going to be because they love now.
117:30They love 13 personnel. If a team wants to play a lot of 13 personnel, they're not going to let Tyler Higby go.
117:37That's not what they're going to do. He's kind of the Dawson Knox of that team.
117:42But what could happen is that Ferguson gets the Parkinson targets.
117:45Yeah. That's what we're hoping for. I mean, if you look at his athleticism in the 2025 class, Ferguson was the second
117:52most athletic tight end in that class. Do you, do you, do you have any, uh, any, any, any gut feeling about
117:58what's going to happen with Ferguson versus Parkinson? If I'm doing dynasty, I'm okay.
118:02Taking a shot on them and hoping it pans out 21 yards of reception, Steve, 466 air yards.
118:08The guy gets down the seam, Steve. It's I I'm not sure.
118:11Like it's, I don't trust it. That's the thing is it's hard to tell who the targets are going to week to week.
118:18It's hard been hard to tell the last couple of years.
118:22Like you like upside. We like to take advantage of ambiguous backfields, but also ambiguous tight end rooms.
118:27This is an ambiguous tight end room. And the upside is incredible.
118:31If someone athletic, they can get down the seam can also command the targets inside the five.
118:36They have the potential to be a top 10 tight end in fantasy.
118:40And that's tight. That's Terrence Ferguson, man. Tight end premium leagues.
118:43You're in the FFPC. You gotta be stashing on your bench.
118:46Terrence Ferguson. I'd rather have Terrence Ferguson than almost every other stash wide receiver in tight end premium.
118:52Give me, give me Terrence Ferguson, man. I think you're checking enough of the boxes for me to be like, okay, yep, yep, yep, yep.
118:59Elite offense. He's young. He's explosive target consolidation, elite tight end centric offense.
119:03They're a tight end centric offense inside the five.
119:06I'm starting to come around. So I'll keep an eye out throughout the summer and I guess we'll keep an ear to
119:13the ground, but I love the, I'm a Sean McVay guy.
119:16He's my second favorite coach in the NFL Ferguson.
119:19Well, look at it. Look at the news reports keep coming out that they want to feature Ferguson, Ferguson being groomed for 2026 breakout.
119:26I mean, listen, man, I it's, it's June. Sometimes you're going to miss some news items, but I'm just showing you this.
119:33I'm showing everybody this because you can't miss this stuff.
119:36These are the new news items that really matter, really matter.
119:39Now we're in LA. I wish there were also nude items, but yeah, news items.
119:43I mean, and then it's like every, every few weeks there's a handful of players where I've told the news desk, listen,
119:50we can't keep posting about Josh downs. Like we can't keep Josh downs to be featured.
119:55Josh downs all over the place. Josh downs, Josh downs.
119:58I'm like, listen, like we got to mix it up.
120:01People get it. Like if you want to put an extra pull quote in an old news item, go ahead.
120:07Just to, just to further the point, but I can't have all these news.
120:11We can't be every other news item be about Josh downs, Terrence Ferguson's getting to that place where I'm like, listen guys,
120:18we can't do another Terrence Ferguson's being groomed or is where the upside is or who the coaches want to step up.
120:24And, but that's what we're hearing. So there's certain guys like that.
120:28I would call drumbeat players. That's the exact word I would use.
120:32Yeah. Right. So Trey Harris is a drumbeat player.
120:34Josh downs is a drumbeat player. Terrence Ferguson is a drumbeat player.
120:38And you, you, you have to react to that again, because beat reporters don't really know anything and they're just leveraging access
120:45when they come out and are saying, Oh, make some ridiculous prediction about a player.
120:49I don't internalize that very heavily, but when you start hearing coaches singling out players in press conferences and you know, when,
120:56when a beat reporter sits down and does like a, a fulsome review of the team and Hey, I went to all
121:02the practices or as that most of the practices and you know, Isaiah bond is getting all the targets.
121:08Like is it another drumbeat player? It's like, okay, that is a data point we need to process.
121:14And it's got to matter. It does matter. And so we're going to make it matter.
121:18And it's going to be reflected in the projections, like in our projections, Isaiah bonds target share for 2026 Cleveland Browns continues to escalate.
121:26And if you disagree with that, please feel free, put it in the comments, disagree.
121:30Tell me why that's not true. Or email me podfather wrote a wonder world.com.
121:34I'm happy to know why you think that's, that's the wrong approach.
121:38Why you need to lock in what you think the target shares are going to be for every player in March and
121:45nothing that anyone says publicly matters or no observations from camp matter.
121:48No, actually they do. They do. They, they, they do matter.
121:52There's a, is, but if it's a coach quote, it matters more than a beat reporter quote.
121:57And it's, and if it's a beat reporter observation that is backed up by other beat reporters, that is essentially statistical.
122:03If it's, if it is a statistical observation from multiple beat reporters, like for example, Isaiah bonds, target share in practice, that
122:10means more than a beat reporter prediction. Yeah, correct.
122:12Like just a feeling, right? So I'm always on the lookout for data from practice and I'm always on the lookout for players.
122:19Coaches are singling out. Yeah. I think it was just, just one that kind of just went over my head, man.
122:26But yeah, like, especially given his value this year, like you don't have to reach for a tight end.
122:31If you miss out on one of the top three or four guys, like I like it a lot.
122:37There's a lot to like, you know, good offense, young guy, like you said, explosive.
122:42And if he gets worked in enough to like start taking over a bigger chunk of that role, like it's the opportunity
122:48is there to be a top 10 tight end.
122:51And there's not that many that you can feel confident with that are going to be reliable output all year long.
122:57Yeah. There's only a handful of pure upside tight ends that are not rookies.
123:02It's like Elijah Arroyo, but he actually has a more difficult path with AJ Barner in front of him than Terrence Ferguson
123:08does with Tyler Higbee and Colby Parkinson. So yeah.
123:11So it's like, I'm looking for upside at the tight end position because sometimes I've been a tight end premium league and
123:18I just miss out on Tyler Warren and Brock Bowers.
123:21So if I miss out on Tyler Warren and Brock Bowers, I tend to just wait, I'm not going to, I'm not going to get value trapped into.
123:29I'll take one of the old white dudes in the 10th round and pair them with a rookie Tucker craft or Sam Laporta.
123:36No, thanks. I'm not doing it. I'm not going to pay up for those guys.
123:40No, even if it's tight end premium, no way I'm staying out of the middle.
123:45So when instead what I'll try to do is I'll try to go Goddard Stowers and like Travis Kelsey and Terrence Ferguson, Ferguson, Ferguson, or Ferguson.
123:53Yes. You go Ferguson, Ferguson. That's better. You go Ferguson, Ferguson, and then the Eagles tight ends.
123:58So I know I can plug in Goddard any given week and get a touchdown.
124:02I can plug in Ferguson any given week and get a bunch of catches.
124:07Thank that for tight end premium leagues. Great. Get the production from a Ferguson, from a Goddard and then Terrence Ferguson and
124:13a guy like Stowers and then another rookie like Raritan or Oscar Delp.
124:17And then you get like a, you got, in that case, you're like a core.
124:22You have like three upside tight ends. One's a rookie, one's a sophomore or two are rookies.
124:27One's a sophomore. Then you have two much older players in their thirties who, you know, we're just going to produce.
124:33Like for example, there's vacated targets in Baltimore, especially vacated targets from a tight end position.
124:38So old dusty Mark Andrews probably has one more fantasy relevant season in him.
124:42We know that there's vacated targets in Philadelphia, don't we?
124:45So you can see Dallas Goddard and we know Travis Kelsey is Travis Kelsey.
124:50If he's out there, like just like Cristiano Ronaldo, he's going to score goals.
124:54He's going to score touchdowns. He's going to, he's going to command targets.
124:58So you can just completely stay out of the middle and get the guys on both ends of the age spectrum.
125:04That's my recommendation. If you don't go and move up to get the Uber elite top five, Tyler Warren, Brock Bowers, wait,
125:11you know, wait, let 10 rounds go by and then start to stockpile tight ends, get it, get a nice nucleus of like five tight ends.
125:18And you know, you can get, you get one out of there.
125:22Yeah. Every week you're going to get one guy that you can trust to produce, but then you also have the future
125:29of the tight end position and a guy like Stowers, a guy like Delp, a guy like Terrence Ferguson, because we're going to be having, imagine the conversation.
125:37He doesn't break out this year. We could easily be having a conversation that's even more passionate and more certain about a breakout for Ferguson the following year.
125:46It's not over yet, man. To that point, like if we come back and he breaks out, he's going to go as
125:52a top three pick next year in drafts. Can you imagine?
125:56Yeah. Imagine that dude being on that offense with his profile and build.
125:59If he breaks out, he's going to go probably in the top four rounds.
126:04I mean, we're getting him here in the double digit rounds in tight end if, if he breaks out.
126:09So I like the opportunity and the athletic upside.
126:12Yeah. I, there's certainly a touts of Max Claire in the chat.
126:16Max Claire is a rookie. So Max Claire is probably not going to produce this year any more than Elijah Arroyo produced last year.
126:23But the other problem is Max Claire is not athletic.
126:26Like Max Claire is a, you know, at his best would be like a Jason Witten, Pat Friermuth, Keith Miller comp tight end.
126:33Yeah. Yep. And for a guy that's not that athletic, it's such a, it's such a tall order to become Jason Witten.
126:40Everything has to sort of fall into place. You have to be an incredible athlete in the ways that are not tied to explosiveness.
126:47That is just very rare. And so typically you're looking more like a Pat Friermuth level profile.
126:52And again, that's a lower ceiling profile. And then a guy is a rookie.
126:56So he's with a low profile or a low ceiling profile.
127:00Yeah. I'm not that inspired by Max Claire. There are other guys like Oscar Delp and Eli Raritan that I'm more interested
127:06in, in rookie drafts, especially tight end premium. And I am not using the fact they used a day to pick on
127:13Claire as a reason to get off Ferguson. When I look at that tight end room, I see one big time athlete at the position.
127:20And that just happens to be the one guy, all the coaches want to siphon targets to and want to step up
127:27and be the leader of that tight end room.
127:30So that's the guy I'm drafting. Yep. I agree.
127:32I think that's well stated. I'll get you out of here, buddy.
127:36You've been great, Steve. I appreciate it, man. I'm down to do this all day.
127:41So subscribe to your channel on YouTube. It's an OG fantasy football.
127:44Yep. In case you forgot. Having your podcast, you know, part of our, you know, overall offering with when the player profile
127:51or network gets you more exposure, get your name out there.
127:54People need to know you. Absolutely. Appreciate it. It's been great being here, man.
127:58Great talking to people. It's good to be like in a fantasy world, man.
128:03It's good to talk to people with like minds and it's I'm excited.
128:06It's gonna be a good year. A lot of fantasy stuff happening.
128:10When I first got started, because I'm such a nerd, and I love spreadsheets.
128:14Yeah. There were hours and hours and hours I would spend just writing, calculating, you know, compiling, you know, data, information, rankings, thoughts, analysis about fantasy football.
128:22And my wife would say, aren't you lonely? And I was like, well, I wasn't until you mentioned it.
128:28Right. I was, I was perfectly content to be in my own little fantasy number world.
128:33But now that you mentioned it, it would be nice to, to kind of, to, uh, to collaborate more.
128:39And that helped inspire me to do the podcast.
128:41What was I was, uh, I was a little bit too much in my own head.
128:46Uh, and it just, at that moment, podcasting started to become, you know, sort of a viable medium and it made sense to start one.
128:54Uh, so whenever I see guys getting started, they clearly have a good voice and a good approach and, and, and know what they're talking about.
129:02I'm like, let's jump on a show, man. If it goes two hours, it goes two hours.
129:07This one might go two and a half hours.
129:09I didn't realize two hours ago. Bye. My wife came home from work.
129:13She's back here talking shit behind the microphone. So what's she saying?
129:17Stupid. All your nerd stuff, your fantasy football. She won the league last year.
129:21Who the fuck is she to say that? Uh, huh?
129:24Oh, she, she Latina. She, you might get bit back.
129:27No, no, no. It's two and a half hours.
129:30She'll never make it the end of the show.
129:33No, but we're good. No. I mean, it's, it's, this is like a passion project, man.
129:38This is what we're trying to do. You know, set up in the living room, like trying to make this a full-time thing.
129:44So I appreciate being on. It's been a pleasure and hopefully first of many.
129:49Absolutely. Give us a bold prediction. Bold prediction. Oh, I had one too.
129:53Who is it? Wait, wait, you lost your bold prediction?
129:56Yep. I lost it. Where'd it go? No, you got to find it.
130:00Oh, we'll find it. We'll get back here. Oh, please find your bold prediction.
130:04Oh yeah. Cam Ward is a top 12 quarterback this year.
130:07That's it. Just top 12? Top 10? I don't think that's hot enough.
130:11No? No. No, here's, here's what I would do.
130:14Here's what I would do. Let me, okay. So because you're getting acclimated to the industry, right?
130:19You're getting, you're getting everything figured out. So these hot takes, the best way to do it is to not say top this, top that.
130:26What you want to do is you want to compare player X to player Y, because then you get double the passion.
130:33So you get people that are passionate about the player that you're saying is going to underwhelm.
130:38So you got Marvin Harrison Jr. Fans, you got them mad at you and you want that.
130:43You want to inspire the engagement, but then also you have the people, the Josh Downs fans, right?
130:49So you have Josh Downs fans are like, yeah, yeah.
130:52But instead of saying, Josh Downs is going to be top 10, that's a tall order.
130:57It's really hard to finish top 10, but you know what's a hell of a lot easier is to put him ahead
131:03of someone that some people think could finish top 10.
131:06And then he only has to be one guy.
131:09So you say Josh Downs will outproduce Marvin Harrison Jr.
131:12in fantasy football. That actually sounds more impressive. Yeah.
131:15Then he's going to be a top 20 receiver in fantasy football, but actually it's easier for him to simply outproduce Marvin Harrison Jr.
131:22than it is for him to be a top 20 receiver.
131:25So rhetorically, it sounds better. It has more effect.
131:28And also you're less likely to be wrong. And this is something I've learned with years of fantasy analysis experience.
131:34This is the reason why you come on the show to learn these kinds of things.
131:39So while I've been filibustering, you've been thinking of a new, fresh, hot take-ified opinion of Cam Ward.
131:44What is it? Cam Ward will outperform Bo Nix this year.
131:48He will be a top eight quarterback. No, no, no.
131:51Don't say that part. Ah! Ah! Tomorrow morning is knocking.
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132:29You lost your bold prediction? Yep. I lost it.
132:31Where'd it go? You always want to be open.
132:34You want to be open to the universe making things happen for you.
132:38That might be the best scenario that you just laid out is trying to find value on the offense that we want pieces of.
132:45That's what we're talking about today. It's the whole theme of the show.
132:49Yeah. The Supreme Court of the NFL Council still has to make their ruling.
132:53Light bulb. Yeah. Especially down here in Duval, man.
132:56We've been cracking crab leg jokes since 2010, so I get it.
133:00I'm on the gunner helm train, man. I want the targets.
133:03Targets went all day. That's not an answer. Broke my heart with that injury last year.
133:08I needed him so bad. Sometimes the best ability is availability.
133:11By the way, Steve Smith came at Jerry Judy.
133:14He was never the same. Steve Smith came at the podfather and I only got stronger, bigger and stronger.
133:19So I'm coming back, baby. And they're like, but I heard they don't want you.
133:24I don't care. But they don't want you. I don't care.
133:27They're getting me too bad. I've been here long enough.
133:30Yeah, we play with dum-dums. That's what happened. I'll take one of the old white dudes in the 10th round and pair him with a rookie.
133:38Ferguson, Ferguson. I didn't realize two hours ago. My wife came home from work.
133:42She's back here talking shit behind the microphone. So stupid.
133:45All your nerd stuff, your fantasy football. She won the league last year.
133:49Oh, she, she Latina. She, you might get bit back.
133:52No, no, no. It's two and a half hours.
133:55She'll never make it to the end of the show.
133:58Bank that value, my friend. Love that. She won the league last year.
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