The FF Dynasty - Dynasty Rankings + Player Value Market Checks
STACKED extracted the fantasy-relevant player signal from this podcast and kept the full transcript here for context.
1 hr 44 min
Duration
Estimated from transcript
Jul 3, 2026
Published
Fri, July 3, 2026
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Player insights
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Players mentioned
Topics
A.J. BrownBrian Thomas Jr.Brock PurdyCarnell TateChris OlaveColston LovelandDevonta SmithFernando MendozaGarrett WilsonGeorge PickensJa'Marr ChaseJoe BurrowJonathan TaylorJosh Downs
Player analysis
Player insights
A.J. Brown
PositiveRole21:48
Historical same-team WR pair example with DeVonta Smith in Philadelphia last year; used to analyze whether injury insulation applies to first and second target share earners in same-team pairings.
Insight pageBrian Thomas Jr.
PositiveValue22:18
Trade target comparison for injury insulation strategy; listener considering trading Travis Hunter to acquire a tier of player like BTJ or Marvin Harrison Jr. to create injury insulation on their dynasty roster.
Insight pageBrock Purdy
PositiveValue17:38
Preferred over Carnell Tate in direct dynasty ranking comparison; Tedderall Mcvillain decisively chooses Purdy in a head-to-head matchup.
Insight pageCarnell Tate
PositiveProjection0:36
Currently ranked WR12, 36 overall in PPR; locked for at least 120-125 targets unless the offense is much worse than anticipated; premium pricing appropriate for the number four overall pick tied to a rookie quarterback and coordinator that Tedderall Mcvillain likes; confidence in Tate has grown higher as time passes with less news coming out, with the bubble continuing to get bigger. Should have a decent amount of volume; Wandel Robinson could be a thorn in the side for limitless targets, but Tate will probably still see a lot of targets.
Insight pageChris Olave
PositiveRole21:00
Teammate context with Carnell Tate on the Saints; discussed as part of same-team wide receiver pair analysis regarding target share distribution and injury insulation.
Insight pageColston Loveland
PositiveValue17:54
Preferred over Carnell Tate in PPR format without premium scoring; analysts take Loveland by a smidge in a close comparison; in premium scoring, Loveland could score around 14 points per game if he is the promised prospect.
Insight pageDevonta Smith
PositiveRole21:48
Historical same-team WR pair example with A.J. Brown in Philadelphia last year; used to analyze whether injury insulation applies to first and second target share earners in same-team pairings.
Insight pageFernando Mendoza
PositiveProjection5:24
Tedderall Mcvillain is dumbfounded that people aren't way more excited about Fernando Mendoza being mentored by Tom Brady and with Clint Kubiak; doesn't fault anybody who takes him at one or two overall in rookie drafts, suggesting strong conviction in his upside despite Tate's recent ascent in prospect rankings.
Insight pageGarrett Wilson
PositiveValue16:58
Preferred over Carnell Tate in direct dynasty ranking comparison; Tedderall Mcvillain chooses Wilson decisively in a head-to-head matchup.
Insight pageGeorge Pickens
PositiveValue16:41
Close in ADP to Carnell Tate; Tedderall Mcvillain has Pickens still in rankings but takes Tate over him in a direct comparison, citing the clean slate appeal of Tate.
Insight pageJa'Marr Chase
PositiveRole21:48
Same-team wide receiver pair context with Joe Burrow in listener's dynasty roster; used as example in same-team WR pair analysis regarding injury insulation and target share dynamics.
Insight pageJoe Burrow
PositiveValue19:00
Tedderall Mcvillain prefers Burrow over Carnell Tate in a direct dynasty ranking head-to-head matchup.
Insight pageJonathan Taylor
PositiveValue18:21
Preferred over Carnell Tate in direct dynasty ranking comparison; Tedderall Mcvillain chooses JT decisively in a head-to-head matchup.
Insight pageJosh Downs
PositiveValue20:08
Tedderall Mcvillain prefers Downs (London) over Carnell Tate in a direct dynasty ranking head-to-head matchup.
Insight pageMarvin Harrison Jr.
PositiveValue22:18
Trade target tier for dynasty injury insulation strategy; Tedderall Mcvillain identifies Marvin Harrison Jr. as part of a tier of elite receivers (alongside Brian Thomas Jr.) that a listener should target in trades to create injury insulation on their dynasty roster, specifically in the context of trading away Travis Hunter from the bench.
Insight pageQuinshon Judkins
PositiveValue13:33
Tedderall Mcvillain is all in on Quinshawn Judkins; positioned as a late fourth-round guy in startup drafts while Carnell Tate is early fourth; if you have Judkins and lack faith in your running back room, it's hard to move him even for Tate.
Insight pageFull transcript
Episode Transcript
0:00What is good? We're live. We're rolling. We got the tripod.
0:04We're going to talk some more buckets tonight. We left off around the glue guy six-man territory, so we're going to touch on that tonight for sure.
0:12We got some questions in the inbox. We'll hit some of those.
0:16Chef has some contract talk that we're going to get into, but I wanted to start off by saying, you know, Go USA.
0:24We moved the stream twice on y'all. We appreciate anybody who's tuning in at this point.
0:29Last week, we weren't going to move it again, but then USA played on Wednesday, so here we are on a Tuesday.
0:36But I did want to actually start off on a little Carnell Tate talk.
0:41Well, Tate talk. Right now in the PPR setting, he's at wide receiver 12, 36 overall.
0:46Is your confidence in Tate growing, staying the same?
0:49Are we, as Tate, is there too much confidence, too much price tag growing in Tate, or is this all appropriate?
0:56I mean, I have very similar feelings about Carnell Tate as I did with Tedderall McVillain once we got the landing spot.
1:03Like, once he was in an environment, and I know, you know, obviously this all changes drastically if the Rams are able
1:10to pull off that trade and he ends up, you know, pairing with Pukun Okua.
1:15But, I mean, yeah, we said that, I mean, I think he's locked for at least 120, 125 targets unless the offense
1:22is just much, much worse than we anticipate with them just taking, like, a marginal step forward between, you know, being the worst unit in the league.
1:31So, yeah, I mean, I feel like it's appropriate.
1:34I mean, you're paying premium prices for the number four overall pick tied to a rookie quarterback that we all really like and a coordinator that we like.
1:43So, what, why, I don't understand. What would be the cost for hesitation just like that we need to confirm it with the outcome?
1:51No, I just, it feels like that we've been sitting on it for a while.
1:56So, I feel like he's always been up there, but I feel like as we've been sitting here for a little while
2:03and less and less has gone on, I feel like the confidence has grown higher and higher in Tate.
2:09And I'm not saying that it's right or wrong.
2:12It just, it feels like we're, the bubble keeps getting bigger and bigger.
2:16Um, that, that was, that was kind of just the only reason I let off with that.
2:22And you're the Titans guy. So, I didn't know, um, you know, if you were where, where you were sitting with it.
2:29Um, I'm, I'm certainly on board. He looks the part, he looks good, should have a decent amount of volume.
2:35I think, I think Wandel could certainly be, um, you know, a thorn in the side for limitless targets, but probably still
2:42going to see a lot, a lot of targets.
2:45Is, is there, you know, at this point in juncture, it feels like people want to put them over Mendoza and maybe
2:53some people had them there, but as, as that sentiment changed at all in, in either one of your minds of, of,
3:00you know, do you feel more comfortable taking Tate than ever?
3:03Or is it Mendoza still firmly planted into, or is it just kind of like, you know, I know you want to,
3:10you don't want to draft for need in the rookie draft, but look, if you need a quarterback, it's hard not to
3:18take a quarterback at that, at that spot. It's really difficult not to take the number one overall pick.
3:24I mean, I still am dumbfounded that people aren't way more excited about Fernando Mendoza being mentored by Tom Brady and with Clint Kubiak.
3:32I don't fault anybody who takes him at one, two.
3:35I think maybe that's kind of where this came from for me is like, it feels like Mendoza hasn't like gone anywhere.
3:42And Tate has just continued to like ascend as, as a prospect that people really like.
3:47So I guess, I guess that was go ahead.
3:50But go, there's a fun factor with Carnell Tate.
3:53Colt, Colt and I have a team together and we're pretty decent at quarterback and Mac Jones and Malik Willis on the bench feeling awesome about it.
4:02Right. And it's just like, all right, well, we have to, we, we took Tate over Mendoza in our league.
4:08It's not a huge buy-in league. We got a stacked roster and it was fun.
4:13And I told him, I was like, we could trade back and we could probably let somebody take Mendoza and just didn't,
4:20you know, he was like, I don't, I want to take Tate.
4:24And I was like, okay, cool. I want to take Tate.
4:28And we did it. But like, if you need a quarterback and you take Carnell Tate over Mendoza, I don't, I don't think that's a good move.
4:37It's just so hard to get a quarterback. Like if you, if you, if you're not, if you're, if you're not either,
4:44you know, dead set, like if you're not so good, if you're, if your quarterback too doesn't make you feel awesome.
4:51Like you have no business passing up on Mendoza.
4:54Yeah. Well, Jeremiah dibble comes in here and just hijacks the stream.
4:58Yeah. Yeah. So pesos or what? No, this is, it seems like us dollars currency.
5:02So Jeremiah, Hey, we very much appreciate it. Holler throughout the stream.
5:06If you need anything or want anything answered, this is, this is very, very kind of you.
5:12We appreciate you. We, we don't get to do this.
5:15If nobody wants to listen and hear what we have to say and support the team.
5:20So, you know, you guys make this kind of thing go.
5:24And, and I think, you know, Jeremiah says he's been a dark place with an injury, started a fantasy league within the
5:31discord chef joined, which I thought was amazing. Since y'all are many celebrities always love the content will always support.
5:38So, Hey, you know, I've, you know, we've all, we've all been in dark places before for one reason or another.
5:44Um, so it's always nice to have a, some sort of an outlet to, to get in there and forget about things
5:52and, um, kind of just take yourself to a place where, you know, I don't know.
5:57I, I don't really want to, um, well, that was well said.
6:01That was well said Casey. And like, dude, a startup draft, there's no better place to be.
6:06Right. So like, if things aren't working out for you, you can go over here and pretend, uh, fantasy football land and
6:13engulf yourself into trades, trade backs, trades ups, plant, plant, plant your flag, whatever you need to do.
6:19And man, a startup, it, uh, it makes up for a lot of, a lot of issues.
6:25So like Casey said, appreciate that Jeremiah. That's why I said hijack the stream with, uh, uh, basically a 49 99 shout out right there.
6:33That'll pay some bills and buy almost a full bag of groceries.
6:37So that is, that's awesome of you. We appreciate it.
6:40Yeah. And I mean, you know, I've had some shitty injuries in my life, um, that have, you know, not affected the
6:47outcome of my life, but certainly affected things that I'm able to do.
6:51And, and day to day is nothing like crazy, but I've had a, a pretty bad knee injury since I was 18 years old that I've dealt with.
7:01I know Shev has, has had some, and I don't know what you're dealing with.
7:05You said it was injury related. So I just took it there.
7:09Um, but we've all been there and it's, you know, there's not too many days in my life that I regret, but
7:16I could remember that day pretty that I'm like, I wish I wouldn't have done that.
7:22Um, you know, and we were, I saw that ACL pop.
7:25We were, uh, we were, we were throwing the football out in front of my house about 20 years ago in the
7:32street one day in case he made a cut and that ACL popped on him again.
7:38He never got it repaired. So it re popped and he laid on the ground and cried for a while.
7:44And, uh, I was like, it's okay, little buddy.
7:47And he was like, it's not okay. This thing is messed up bad.
7:51It is not okay. Yeah. And it's not, I've got a lot more damage in there than, than, than that.
7:58And I've had some surgeries. I know Shev's had some, some, some bummer injuries that have, I'm sure put you in some
8:05shitty spots for long periods of time, man. So here's the deal.
8:09You always had to have, I feel like, you know, and I want to echo everything.
8:14Like, thank you. That's incredibly, I mean, it's incredible that you, you know, that you did that, but yeah, you got to
8:21have like, you got to have a release, like an escape rather.
8:25I won't say release. Cause you know, Sean Watson, he was, he was getting too many.
8:30I got a little weird. Get you in trouble.
8:33But I just, you know, you've got to have an escape.
8:37Like this is what that's, that's what we want to do for you guys.
8:41And like, we just, we take it really seriously being able to give you actionable advice and like passionate about playing the
8:49game, watching the game, like just learning and evolving with the way that the NFL, I mean, it's the most, it's the
8:56best soap opera you could ever watch. So like, obviously we don't have, we don't have football right now.
9:02So people are just doing weird shit, but like, thank you.
9:06Yeah. Thanks so much, man. You know, and, and to what chef was saying, like, we, we, we try to take the
9:13preparation seriously and that we watch as much as we can and do as much as we can.
9:19And we're, we're, we're taking in as much as we can, but we try not to, we, we take the thing that we do on here.
9:27Try not to take it serious. Like at all.
9:30Like that's, you know, we're, we're always messing around.
9:33We might talk a little shit. It's never that serious.
9:36Nobody's ever that, you know, but that's, you know, we, you, I want to be prepared so I can come on here and have fun.
9:44And like, we're talking about fantasy football, man. Like this is, this is pretty silly.
9:49And, you know, but I will say I, the amount of effort and time that goes into this to be here.
9:56It's okay. You could do it and you could do a show once in a while.
10:01You could do a 30 minute show once a week and not to say that wouldn't be difficult, but to be is
10:08the consistently showing up is the part that is, is difficult no matter kind of what.
10:14Um, and being here always. And, you know, so when somebody like that comes in and you guys support us and then
10:21Jeremiah starts to stream off by throwing a nice little, uh, thank you at us.
10:26That's that it means a lot to us. It's certainly not lost on us.
10:30And again, we appreciate you, man. Um, and, uh, let's, let's, let's resume the, uh, regularly scheduled program.
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12:32Let's do a few swipes here just in, you know, good spirits of our, you know, nice crowdsourced website that, you know,
12:39crowdsourced FFD stuff and power rankings FFD stuff, not rate my roster or whatever I saw on there today or roster assessment or some shit.
12:47Right. Your roster? I don't know what it was.
12:50But, you know, again, sounds like. Couldn't be more excited that, you know, there's 783,000 swipes in this thing that we launched not so long ago.
12:59And we're learning, man. We're figuring this thing out.
13:02Website is certainly not perfect. It has its issues.
13:04Certainly none of us are coders by any means, but AI has made things certainly a lot easier to do.
13:11We're not trying to hide behind anything or say anything's perfect.
13:15So we want to know when things aren't working properly and what you would change and what we got right.
13:21But we're trying to make this thing the best we can.
13:25So we appreciate all you guys for hanging out, chipping in.
13:28And again, this website doesn't work without all of you guys.
13:32So appreciate you. Carnell Tate or Quinshawn Judkins. And I'm going to say one more thing.
13:37There was one comment on one of the streams a while ago with me and Big Co.
13:43And some dude was like, this is the most disingenuous guys I've ever seen.
13:47And it's like, you couldn't tell you you misread it.
13:50I could tell you that there's 20 other things that I could go watch fantasy-wise that are just absolutely 100% disingenuous.
13:57There's nothing disingenuous going on over here. No, that's weird.
14:00I don't know. I don't never read comments. They almost never really bother me.
14:05And that one was just like, that was a weird one.
14:09That's what I'm saying. I don't understand. We're trying to trick them.
14:12Yeah. We're trying to. For 10 years now. For 10 years, it's a long con.
14:17Yeah. With Chab, we've been sneaking up on them.
14:20Any day now, we're going to rug pull them.
14:23All right. Carnell Tate or Quinshawn Judkins. It's Tate, right?
14:26Although Big Co. Big Co. I was about to say, I was like, Big Co.
14:31Hot and heavy on the Judkins. You got to weigh in on this.
14:36Hot and heavy on the Judkins. No, no, no.
14:39Y'all not watch this guy? We're all in on Judkins.
14:42Let's start with some conomics. Okay. First of all.
14:45All right. We are all in the cement aisle for Quinshawn Judkins.
14:49Mark that as a tough swipe too, please, Casey.
14:52Oh, that's a tough swipe? Fuck yeah. That's a tough swipe for me.
14:56Okay. The Carnell Tate guy, the Titans guy says it's a tough swipe.
15:00Now, let me ask you something. Let me ask you guys something.
15:04All right. You're on the clock. You got the 103, Big Co.
15:08Somebody comes and offers you the 103 for Quinshawn Judkins.
15:11Are you hitting except Big Co.? I could easily hang on to Judkins here.
15:16It seems like without having the breakdown in front of me, there's Carnell Tate might be around ahead of him in a startup.
15:23And I respect that. Six. If he, if he, Carnell Tate's in the beginning of the fourth round, I respect that.
15:30I think Quinshawn is a, is a four at the end of the fourth kind of guy right now.
15:36But I would have no problem. If you have Judkins on your team and somebody offers you Carnell Tate for him and
15:43you don't have, you know, a lot of faith in your running back room, it's hard to, hard to move.
15:50Yeah. I was just trying to pull up the ADP, but it seems like there is an error with it, Jason.
15:57If you're listening, I don't know what's going on with it, but we definitely can't use that right now.
16:03Anyway. Okay. We got a mic. Okay. We were talking about before the thing started.
16:08So I have, we've got, this is all three of our rankings.
16:12I believe I've got it's Carnell Tate at 48 and Judkins at 62.
16:16So 14 spots. Right. Yeah. So, I mean, if you, then it's tape on a market value situation, but obviously my rankings aren't in there.
16:24Right. So that's what. Because Judkins would have been a couple of spots ahead about in the average.
16:30Yeah. So how do you, so, so, so, so I'm thinking, I'm thinking Tate.
16:34Okay. All right. Gospel George or, or regular George.
16:37So Tate or George Pickens. Tate. I have a hard time.
16:41I've got Pickens still. So they're close in ADP.
16:44I mean, I, I think, I think I'm just, I think I'm just going to take Tate.
16:49I'm just going to take the, the clean, the clean slate Tate on that one.
16:54Garrett Wilson or Carnell Tate. Wilson. Wilson. Wilson. Brock Purdy or Tate.
16:58It's got to be Purdy, right? It's Purdy. Yeah.
17:01I can handle Purdy there. JT or Tate. JT.
17:04JT. Joe Burr or Tate. Burrow. Omar on Hampton or Tate.
17:08Hampton. This is interesting though. London or Tate. London.
17:11Colston Loveland or Tate. This is PPR. This is PPR.
17:14Oh, no super flex. No, no premium. Oh, what?
17:17No super flex. No, no, no premium. No premium.
17:20Irrelevant if they're super flex or not here, but.
17:23Yeah. Words. No title. Times guys. Yeah. Well, I just meant because we had a quarter borough.
17:28Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, I'll take Tate over borough if it's one quarterback, but I'll still take Loveland.
17:35I would take Loveland as well. That's this is this is close without really.
17:39I didn't premium. I would think that. I don't know.
17:42That's a, that's a really tough one. Because, I mean, you think Colston Loveland and premium is going to come out and score what?
17:5014, 14 points a game. If, if he is the prince who was promised.
17:55Yeah. I mean, uh, we'll, we'll, we'll take, we'll take Loveland by a smidge.
17:59All right. This, this is a tough one for me.
18:03Tater Tyson. Cause I, I, I've had Tyson ahead most of this time.
18:07I've, I've recently just kind of slid Tate ahead of Tyson just cause it, it feels like it's a, a bit more
18:14of a sure thing of volume going his way.
18:17But this is, this is really tight for me.
18:20I don't, I don't have that much of a difference between these two guys.
18:24I'd see that the saints offense potentially could have a bigger pie.
18:28And I'm, I want the Titans offense to perform and I want to see the growth out of cam ward and, but
18:35there is a wild amount of, I wouldn't say wild, but the continuity of what's going on with the saints right now
18:43and bringing in the weapons that they're bringing in this year, signing the running back, bringing in the high profile wide receiver
18:50and a dart throw tight end and Kellen Moore.
18:53And so I could see how Cornell Tate could get more target share from his team.
18:58And that doesn't necessarily represent more average fantasy points per game than what Tyson might get if the saints are rolling.
19:05But I would definitely, uh, I've taken Tate over Tyson just, I think I said it maybe last week or a couple
19:12of weeks ago, just a step of just, I was in a league where I really couldn't make a mistake because I
19:19had some other problems and I really needed to hit that draft pit.
19:23And I didn't have a YOLO, like I'm not that Tyson's a YOLO situation, but like just the multiple injuries in college,
19:30Tate hadn't had, let me just grab Tate hadn't been hurt knowing that Tyson may come out and look awesome.
19:37Yeah. Yeah. Fantasy meatball says I'd rather have Warren round and a half later than what I'm with you, bud.
19:43I'm right there with you. Sexy. Yes. Um, this, uh, Josh says he's clicking Tate till his fingernails bleed.
19:50I like that. Um, all right. Um, let's, let's answer a couple of questions.
19:54We'll get to the buckets. Shev's got some contract conversation for us.
19:58Um, so let's jump into the question here. Uh, we've got a couple of things in the inbox.
20:04Let's jump into, um, the one from, uh, five 23.
20:07Three. So he's been in here for a little while.
20:11Let's bring that up, switch that over. All right.
20:13So looking at my team, do you think I have enough production to take the chip?
20:19We're in our second year. We have a, we did this one already.
20:23Yeah, we did this five 23. How's about that?
20:26That's way back. No, it was six 23. I just didn't market it.
20:30Okay. My bad. My bad. Hey, we're on the live 23.
20:34It's like, we got to step our game up.
20:37We did that on the live stream. That was my bad.
20:40All right. Next one down here. Um, Hey guys question.
20:43Has anyone looked into the data on wide receiver pairs on the same team, both finishing as top 30 wide receivers or
20:51whatever the cutoff makes sense and its impact on a fantasy roster?
20:54Um, I have, I don't, I don't have the data on that, but I mean, we've had times we just kind of
21:02were talking about it a little bit with Tate and Olave, right?
21:06Yeah. Um, does anybody have any, any firm stances on that?
21:09I'm sure none of us have data in front of us for that, but well, he go ahead.
21:15No, go ahead. I just, there's, if the offense is good and the players are good, you shouldn't care.
21:21It's just points in your lineup. You just have to account for an extra spot on a bi-week.
21:27Um, yeah. Um, I'm going to finish the question and then I'll let big co-hop in here.
21:33Is there a balanced downside or lower weekly ceiling, but higher weekly floor, or does one outweigh the other?
21:39For instance, I have burden and a doones day on my dynasty team along with Loveland, uh, as well as London and pits.
21:46I don't know if this would apply to first and second target share earners and Brown and Smith Philly last year, I
21:53thought that my injury insulation might be tipping points for versus against.
21:57If one player gets injured, the value of the other inherently increases and the overall value, uh, and the overall value of your fantasy team.
22:05And more importantly, your starting roster takes less of a dip, maybe even increase if there's consistent target share spike.
22:12Uh, with that in mind, what would make sense with my teams with Travis Hunter on my bench who is going after
22:19a certain tier of player to target like BTJ or Marvin Harrison Jr.
22:23Due to injury insulation, BTJ would create for an already existing roster spot on my team that did not exist previously is, or is all this hogwash?
22:32Thanks guys. So basically, you know, are you, how are you, what's your thoughts process on owning two guys on the same team?
22:40Is that something that you look to move on from, or is it circumstantial because of kind of what you were mentioning,
22:47big co like saints offense, you feel more comfortable with, with the pie being able to be divided into and, and have,
22:54um, and Philly, I think has done a good job, but it's certainly kept Devonta Smith probably from exceeding, uh, the kind
23:01of high end WR two situation that he's been in a lot of his career.
23:06Right. Um, and now we're about to, you know, it feels like Caleb can facilitate potentially three and not be concerned, but
23:13generally like that, that, that does seem like somebody is going to be the odd man out week in week out for the most part.
23:21Um, it's just how much floor can Caleb create in there for all those guys?
23:26Um, there's going to be ceiling games. I think for all of them, it's just, you know, and all those guys would
23:33pretty much always be in your lineup. So it's like, you know, same with like, there's probably a point with Drake and
23:40pits where pits may have been out of your lineup, but Drake's pretty much in your lineup every week.
23:47And now Drake and pits are pretty much always in your lineup.
23:51Devonta Smith and AJ Brown were pretty much always in your lineup.
23:54Right. Right. And I don't think it's about it to me, it just depends on the value that you got those guys
24:02on and are they returning value on what they, and most likely the answer is yes.
24:07I mean, I don't know if there's anything else that you guys would want to chime in here and how you play it.
24:14And do you try to move one or keep one or what's, what's your sentiment here on this kind of situation?
24:21Yeah. I mean, you like target distribution, right? He, he, he mentions pits in London, right?
24:26Like I, and then you bring in Bichon. Like, I don't, I think that, you know, the Falcons have every reason to
24:34give 90% of that offense to those three guys.
24:36Right. And funny enough, you mentioned Eagles, but that Kellen Moore was the offensive coordinator for their best, like most efficient season a couple of years ago.
24:45Right. And so like, and speaking of the bears with burden and Rome and, and Loveland, like multiple times in the last
24:52couple of months, when we bring this up, the answer is the quarterback.
24:57You know, the answer is like you said, Casey said it laid it out perfectly just now.
25:02Like you're not going to have many, I guess because Luther burden was a second round, late first, early second round draft pick last year.
25:10You, you could have him in a couple of spots where you don't necessarily quote unquote, need him to be in your starting lineup.
25:18But like, you, you're not, you're not benching any of those guys and you're just going to have to like the ceiling
25:25games and where are the floors going to be for the bears.
25:29But like the answer is Caleb Williams, you know?
25:32And I, I think, um, you know, they're eligibles.
25:35They're not full. Like they let more go and, uh, they, they do have a, the second tight end is really a solid, solid player.
25:43Deandre Swift RB two every year in the league.
25:46Like they got other options, but we all want that to be highly targeted, you know, distribution just sit there, just concentrated on those three guys.
25:55That's what we want to see happen. Like Casey said, basically, what are your values at?
26:00Like, I'm not just like going out of my way to draft two wide receivers on the same team, but like, but
26:07I think you're also not, not going out of your way.
26:11No, I, I, all right. I was trying, I was about to just bring it back around to the Peyton Manning days.
26:18Like when you find that quarterback, like Joe Burrow, when, when Joe Burrow is hurt healthy and T Higgins is healthy.
26:25T Higgins is a wide receiver one. And no matter what, what during that timeframe, Jamar chase is the best wide receiver in the league.
26:33So like when it's clicking, that's, I would wrap.
26:36I want a part of it. When it's clicking, I want to ride it hot and heavy, right?
26:41Like I want that, but there's not like a lot of situations where you're going to, where it's going to be hot and heavy.
26:49It's just, you know, let's say the Cardinals for years and years and years, they couldn't like ever since Kurt Warner left, they couldn't complete a pass.
26:58So like, I don't want two wide receivers from the Cardinals.
27:02You know, I don't want to. So I don't want two wide receivers on the Browns.
27:07I don't want two wide receivers on the Panthers.
27:10Like I don't want two wide receivers on a couple of the bottom feeders that can't get the ball down the field.
27:17And maybe the Panthers are going to have a come up and maybe the Cardinals will figure out a quarterback, you know what I mean?
27:25But like, and maybe the Browns are probably going to be the Browns, but the whole point, you know, I don't want
27:32two wide receivers from a bad offense. I will go out of my way to stay away from that.
27:38I don't want too many pieces on the bad offense, but I, when it happens, I will gobble up the players as based on value.
27:47And if it's too, I'm not going to let that change my dynasty set up, you know, this is like, he's a, he ain't lying.
27:55This lineup he has is very interesting with a lot of two for chef.
27:59Where are you at here? So big co brought it the, the, the best point that you made there.
28:05Big co is like, if it's T Higgins and, and Jamar chase and Joe burrow, that's elite.
28:11If it's George Pickens and Dak Prescott and CD lamb, that's elite.
28:15Right? Like you're not going and doing Adonai Mitchell, Gino Smith and, and Garrett Wilson.
28:20Like you're not going for, you're not going for a throuple like that.
28:24It's gotta be, it's gotta be elite. Now this has the potential we believe to be elite.
28:29You know, we law, we all say Adams and Puka last year, you know, Matt Stafford, elite quarterback.
28:35When you get on the, when you find the quarterback, there comes your multiple assets every week.
28:41Yes. So long story short. Yes, this is okay.
28:44This is speculative though, because Caleb Williams hasn't, Caleb Williams has become a force in and of himself.
28:50Now we need him to become a force that delivers the football to the other guys with, you know, on a, on a consistent basis.
28:58And we're getting wide receiver one weeks from Roman Dunes and Luther Burton and Colston Loveland.
29:03It could be like you said, 2004 Peyton Manning, where he's got Marvin Wayne and Reggie or Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne and Brandon Stokely and Dallas Clark.
29:12And, and, and, and, uh, it was Adrian, it was Adrian, Adrian James was still there.
29:17He left. He had left. Okay. Who was anyway, but no Marshall Falk left.
29:22Adrian James came in. Adrian James came in. So the point being that you want, you want to be tied to these
29:29elite quarterbacks in as many ways as possible. We talked about it on an episode that'll air next week.
29:35Like, Hey, I want as many pieces of the Chargers offense as humanly possible.
29:39So lad and QJ could be that, that next interesting stack or lad and, you know, lad and Gadsden and, and QJ
29:47or lad and lad and Trey Harris and, and QJ like it.
29:51You want to be tied to these elite quarterbacks.
29:53Caleb Williams has become a force onto his, onto himself, but now we've got to see him deliver the ball to these guys and make them superstars too.
30:03Yeah. Yeah. I mean, this guy's got an interesting team.
30:06So, I mean, in general, because of where, who, who is kind of tied to this team and now you just got,
30:13you know, kind of a nice little bonus of Devonta Smith and AJ Brown getting broken up here, but like you're not
30:20in, and you got a good team. So you're not in a hurry to do anything crazy with this lineup.
30:27Right. No, you're not trying to like move off of these combinations for any, which way, or, or do, would you like
30:34to move off of one of the combinations? I don't think you, I don't think you have to, I don't think you need to.
30:42This is a championship caliber roster. Like this is, this is the definition contender for sure.
30:47Yeah. You don't, you don't have to do anything right now.
30:50It isn't super, or it's not, it doesn't look like it's premium.
30:54And he does have a very good set of tight ends.
30:58So not that I want to move off of Loveland, but I mean, maybe, maybe you move off of one of the
31:05three bears would, would be my only kind of recommendation, but I don't have to.
31:10And you got craft fan and pits and Laporta.
31:13Like if you wanted to sell Loveland, cause he's the bear you could get the most for, for whatever reason.
31:19I would be okay with that, but I don't feel like I have to.
31:24So hopefully we answered that question. Like you wanted it to.
31:28So I'm, I'm everybody good. Yeah. All right. Let's move on to the next question here.
31:33Let's remove that bad boy. All right. So for this, my buddies and I are creating a dynasty league where 2027 first
31:40and second round picks are in the startup draft along with rookies.
31:44Do you have any thoughts of how to approach this?
31:47How early should the one-on-one go? Does the value change?
31:50If you know, you're getting the one-on-five versus any mid first follow-up.
31:54The team I linked here feels stuck in the middle.
31:57Some great young pieces, some old vets, but probably not enough to contend, especially with the juggernauts in the league.
32:04I don't have my 27 first, but I have 2228 first.
32:08Any thoughts? So the first part of it is, is a theoretical question of, um, you know, how are you essentially handling picks in a startup draft?
32:16Is that, is that how I'm reading that correctly?
32:19Yeah. They're going to put the, so you'll have to do a placeholder or kickers.
32:24Yeah. So how early would you take that? The first, the one-on-one and 27 in that startup?
32:30And if I'm under, do it, that's the way I read it.
32:34Is that the way you read it? That's the way I'm interpreting this.
32:38Um, how early should the one-on-one go? Does the value change?
32:41If you know, you're getting the one-on-five versus any mid first, that's the only part that I'm not following.
32:48So I, I was at a startup like this two years ago, but it wasn't the future picks and current rookies.
32:54So this is kind of neat. Like basically what he's saying is you can draft Jeremiah love and you can draft the 27, one-on-one.
33:02So two years ago, uh, I drafted a whole bunch of second round picks after I didn't like the players anymore.
33:09We're talking, you know, 10, 11, 12, 13 draft round at 10th, 11, 12th round in the draft.
33:15I didn't really like where I was at. And I started drafting early second round picks and that really paid off for me.
33:22So it was fun. And you can't, obviously if you draft the second round pick, you know, you're not going to draft
33:30the two, two, the two, four, if the two, two is on the board.
33:34So like you're drafting the next available pick. If the one, one's gone and you want the next pick, you're drafting the
33:41one, two, and you're kind of a problem like chase, um, like, uh, your, your, she have said placeholder.
33:47You're going to draft kickers. You're going to put kickers in there to hold those players or whatever, hold those spots in the draft.
33:55Um, and, but it is fun because like the guys laying out here is like, it's not just a random pick.
34:02You know exactly what it is. You're drafting the two, two, and then four or five players might get drafted.
34:09And then somebody drafts the two, three, and then four or five players might get drafted.
34:14So, or it might be three or four picks in a row where it just goes, somebody's like, all right, I want that.
34:21So it, that does add a lot to the startup and makes it a lot of fun.
34:27And, um, I definitely recommend grabbing a couple of, um, draft picks along the way.
34:32Of course, the 27 first round picks couldn't be, you know, much more valuable these days.
34:37We want to get one or two of those for fun.
34:41But if I wouldn't go drafting them at the, it's too early when you're passing up on guys you already know are elite.
34:48You know, there's a lot with, with the money these college players are making.
34:53Now we don't know for sure that all these guys are coming out.
34:57We don't know for sure which one of them is going to blow their ACL at the end of the year and
35:04ruin their rookie year, et cetera, et cetera. I wouldn't go crazy with those first round picks in 2027.
35:10If you're up against, you know, uh, Brock Bowers, et cetera, you know, those types of, would you got good players take the good players?
35:18And then as it tears down, uh, assess. Yeah.
35:21Shev, you know, we, we kind of did this sort of right.
35:25Um, well, we put it in with 26 picks.
35:28Um, but if you put it in with 26 picks, that gives you a good placeholder for kind of where we're seeing,
35:35um, let's see, Jeremiah love go, I could bring switch to this tab real quick and I'll go back to answering.
35:42He wanted to talk about his team. Um, but we can see right here, you know, here's your early first.
35:49This is in the crowdsource rankings in the draft board formats.
35:52That's at two 11. Um, but I mean, you know, Jeremiah loves right here at two Oh three.
35:58And we kind of decided, Hey, one, one Oh one through one Oh four is, is probably right around where love is.
36:05Right. Um, so I think, you know, as early as where Jeremiah love is here at the two Oh three is where the one Oh one could go.
36:14Right. I think. And then throughout your second and third, you're good.
36:18That's where you're the rest of those, you know, one through four are going to at least go.
36:24And then now, cause I was reading it aloud and I wasn't processing it.
36:29He's saying is one Oh five worth more than a random mid first of not knowing of course, um, to know the number is definitely worth more.
36:37I think, um, yeah, so, so, you know, that, that to me kind of puts a little bit of a, a bow
36:45on that conversation is like, I think it's, you know, any, it could be as early as like the one 10 through
36:52the two Oh three turn for the one Oh one.
36:55Um, and you know, I would, this is like an interesting, you know, strategy for me because I've, I've been kind of
37:02in the, Hey, I, I don't necessarily play to win the first year or two.
37:07I kind of just collect assets for a minute and then go in a direction.
37:12And this, this, this puts one more cherry on top of that of like, Hey, now I can control, uh, the first
37:19couple of picks of the first round next year while collecting just a, Hey, I know I'm already in the toilet cause
37:26I've spent my high picks on first picks next year.
37:29And now I'm just collecting youth throughout. Um, so, you know, if, if you go that route, obviously it's not the way you have to go.
37:38You could certainly build a balanced team around that.
37:41Um, take taking picks early, but I mean, that's, that's kind of the route I would go.
37:46Like it. All right. The only thing is the one Oh one in 27 is going to be much more aggressive than
37:54it has been the last couple of years. Like you put 25 or 26 verse 27, Jeremiah Smith's going ahead of all those guys.
38:01And that's, you know, become at a good point.
38:04Assuming it's, it's kind of a dangerous assumption to assume that he's coming out, but unless Arthur Ben Laden, who's the offensive
38:11coordinator at, uh, now completely ruins Jeremiah Smith. Like he ruined everything else.
38:16Then, you know, he's going to be the one.
38:19That's a really, I said what I said, but that's a really good bow on it because let's say you got the
38:26one, one, the one, two, one, three. All right.
38:29If calamity happens last next year, you still between the quarterbacks, running backs and wide receivers, like you're going to have two or three guys that are awesome.
38:38Basically, she have just takes his argument, puts it in front of mine and backs mine up.
38:43Like if you once, if you're at the ones, if the one seven is the next first round pick for 2027 to
38:51get drafted, maybe you don't still have quite as much, you know, guarantee for what that value you think is like, yeah, dude.
38:58Yeah. The one, one Jeremiah Smith, a couple of running backs who knows if Manning comes out, you know what I mean?
39:05Like there's going to be, there's, it's going to be one, basically the top two or three picks is probably as insulated as it gets.
39:13Yeah. Yeah. Scratch. I missed your comments here when you were talking about the, uh, the consultant that we've got players on both teams.
39:21He was saying, um, your team is ready to roll.
39:24Don't F it up. Just chill and pounce on opportunity.
39:28That's essentially the way I'd be looking at that too.
39:31So you don't have to do anything, um, only sell for picks or consolidate up with, if, with stacks on a team,
39:38if you, if, if you want to kind of get out of one or two, and that's also a good, good way to, uh, put that.
39:47So just going back in time for a second there.
39:50Um, all right. Um, let's go over to his team here.
39:53He said, he's kind of middling. He wants to kind of know what to do here.
39:59So he's got Patrick Mahomes, Bo Nix, Jordan Love, Mac Jones, Will Howard.
40:03Nice room. Um, Jenti, Scadabo, Tootin, Rico, JK, Brian Robinson, Vidal, Isaiah Davis.
40:07Love that. Emmanuel Wilson. Mike, after all this Darian price hate this last week, somebody, somebody must have some drafts coming up.
40:14They're just slandering that man. Also, just in case you needed a reminder, I'm sure somebody could find the tweet of Kyron
40:21Williams returning kickoffs or punts and just ruining his value for a minute.
40:26So everyone relax with some off season nonsense here.
40:29Um, so, uh, Jalen Waddle, Wondell Robinson, Ricky Pierce.
40:31Also a little, little, little soft in the receiving room, sort of DJ more Jalen, at Mill and Tez, Kyle Williams, Zaccheaus and Malik Benson.
40:40And then Colson Loveland, but his tight end premium Chig Fryer, Muth and Noah Gray.
40:44He said he doesn't have any 27 first, but he does have two 28 first.
40:49Um, and he said, basically there's two, there's two really good teams in this, in this league.
40:55Um, right now. So we can kind of open up all these.
40:59So if let's just say there's juggernaut teams in there and I'll go through them as you're, as we're, as you guys are talking.
41:07Um, but what do we, what do we think that team is kind of up against?
41:12Well, I mean, uh, just the, the high end, like the high end production, you're, you got two bonafide QB ones in
41:19my homes above Knicks and Jordan loves kind of a wild card, but I just don't see, I don't see enough ceiling
41:26here and enough opportunity for you to, for him to take this home this year.
41:31That's, that's kind of, that's where I land. I try to figure out a way to get a 27 first back with selling something.
41:39I'm trying to decide what though. I don't, I mean, I, the issue here is there's, this is a, this is a
41:46pretty decent floor team, but we don't have, you don't have a real ceiling to meet.
41:51Yeah. Yeah. Right. You've, you've got, you've got good parts and pieces.
41:55Now looking at some of these other teams that they've, they've got across the board that, you know, none of them are killing it.
42:03Well, at least a couple that I've seen at every single position, like somebody has a deficiency or two in some spots.
42:10So I wouldn't go as far as juggernaut, but you have a Drake may and a Herbert and Hanna cook at Javante
42:17Williams, a Jamar chase and Nico, you know, Parker Washington helped.
42:21This guy got golden too. Then he's got Gadsden, but nothing behind him.
42:25And then the other guys got JT chase Brown, CMC ETN Chuba solid Jaden, Daniels and Lamar.
42:31That's a killer. Tet and AJ Brown. And then nobody else behind those two guys.
42:35And I think it's a start three wide receivers.
42:38It is. And then Jake Ferguson, which nothing wrong with Jake.
42:42Jake's always solid. But you know, I'm not, I'm not saying that's a, that's an absolute killer, but you know, a little, little better than yours.
42:50Josh Allen, CJ Stroud, Bryce Young, Kenneth Walker, Travion, Derek Henry, Amin Ra, Ibuka, Pickens, Smith Higgins, Tyler Warren and likely and Kelsey is solid.
42:59So he doesn't really have too many holes in the, in the scuba squad there.
43:03So big code, you got any thoughts on kind of where this roster should, should go.
43:09If you, if you took a crack at it, is this, you know, I don't think this isn't, this wouldn't by any
43:16shape or form be a teardown, but he doesn't have any 27 picks.
43:20So, I mean, she've already mentioned, Hey, how can we get a 27 first back?
43:25Any general thoughts here from you? I guess the hardest part is, you know, when you have such a toss up wide
43:32receiver room like that, you can get by with the running backs.
43:36You can, I mean, you, you have the best thing you got going on right here with this team, you know, other
43:43than Jente and Colson Loveland being anchors is the quarterbacks, you know, having that much volume, but you got my homes, Bo
43:50next Jordan love, and then soon to be starter next year, Mac Jones.
43:55Right. Right. So if I'm doing anything, I'm trying to move Bo Nix or Jordan love.
44:00Um, I think that I don't think the time's right to move Patrick homes, unless Casey's in your league or myself, that'll
44:07just pay up for the guaranteed next five years of stability.
44:10Um, so that's kind of where I would be.
44:13I'd just be leaning towards making a move, finding a Packers fan and, and cashing out on Jordan love or finding, um,
44:21a Broncos fan and making a move with Bo Nix potentially.
44:24I mean, he's, you know, not necessarily feeling like you're in any rush, but I mean, you could go take a, you
44:31know, a third round pick and, and buy scary Terry.
44:35If you wanted to try to make a push, but I, I, I wouldn't be trying to, I wouldn't, I wouldn't move
44:42any of those 28 firsts and I wouldn't go, go crazy with it.
44:46I would just kind of hang on, hang on for the ride.
44:50Yeah. This is, you know, you, you're, you know, Tootin could be somebody who turns into something awesome.
44:56Maybe Rico could be, you know, like you said, maybe you're not going to be quite in contending form.
45:02Um, Rico and JK Dobbins could be somebody that either helped you out and because there's some injuries on another team, um,
45:09or, you know, that you, they could be sold off for some equity coming, coming into next year.
45:15I mean, Matt Jones, unless you can get something good for Matt Jones, I'd hang on because he's going to be a
45:22lottery ticket as soon as he goes hits the open market somewhere else.
45:26Um, but you know, and then, and then Jalen Waddle would be somebody that if you're not going to compete this year
45:33and he's goes out and gets hot, he's somebody who you could maybe, you know, find yourself in position to be able
45:41to figure out how to get a 27 first ish for him.
45:45Uh, at some point in the season, when, if he's scoring, if he's blowing up and scoring points and bunches, right.
45:51Um, so, uh, I think you got some, some fun options here, DJ more, you know, I w I would just be
45:59kind of trying to figure out how to get, get some capital for these aging, older pieces and kind of just stay the course.
46:06Maybe you can figure out how to turn one of those 28s into a 27 with some of these guys, like, you
46:14know, parent DJ more up with it, with a 28 first.
46:17Maybe that doesn't make the most sense because he's old and you'd be trying to get a 27 pick back and something, um, of youth there.
46:26But those kinds of things of like, how can I turn a 28 into a 27?
46:31How can I collect some seconds and thirds throughout, uh, 27, which you still have your second and third.
46:37So you're okay there. Um, but this isn't anything that I would do dramatic moves with, right.
46:42You kind of just got to, I think personally, you hang out for a minute, um, and see kind of how you
46:50can formulate things with kind of these middle pieces that you have and see if they could gain some value on you.
46:57Yeah. Got a roster full of glue guys and prove it guys.
47:01And, and two and two studs with Loveland and Jenty and then again, some good quarterbacks.
47:06Yeah. I, I, I'm 95% in alignment with everything that you guys have said so far.
47:11My thing, the one thing that I would try to do is two or three weeks into the season, I'm trying to move JK Dobbins.
47:19I'm trying to move Rico Dowdle. So the youth movement needs to take over a quarter.
47:24I mean, at running back. Uh, and then if, if like you said it, Casey, if Jalen, Jalen Waddle gets off to
47:32a hot start and this team, but your team isn't doing what you, what you anticipated it doing or just giving you
47:39the signal that you need to try to push the chips in.
47:43That's a guy, him and DJ more guys that I'm trying to move pretty quickly.
47:48That's just, that's my thing. Yeah. Yeah. I'm with you.
47:51I'm with you. Any final thoughts, big co before we move on?
47:55Yeah. I think I've, I got a real quick one more pass.
47:59Sorry. My, I've been at mentally checked out for five minutes.
48:02My wife and I are trying to buy a car and it's happening right in a second.
48:08And I'm like, I'm busy. Um, so if you know anything about big co he's dying internally because this might be his
48:15favorite thing to do is buy a car. I know.
48:18I'm right here at the end when it's time to be like, I will give you my money, but it needs to
48:25be less money that I'm giving you. I don't get to have that conversation right now.
48:31That sucks. Um, so live in the, what, what did you have?
48:34We had the treasure hunt and when that had all like the cars and shit in it that you would get it
48:42like a convenience, like a, like a, we have at the wall.
48:46It was called the Carolina trader, the Carolina trader, the Carolina trader.
48:49It was 45 cents when I was growing up.
48:52Oh yeah. Well, you had to pay for it.
48:55Good in the trader. Yeah. I had to pay to get in that action.
49:00It was 45 cents course. Nate later on, they raised the price four or five times, but, uh, you could list for
49:07free, but after you, when you sold it, they wanted you to own the honor system.
49:12You had to pay him and I listed a bunch and I didn't sell that much.
49:17And I got on probation from the Carolina trader.
49:20And, uh, then I started listening, started listening under my grandmama's name, got her in trouble.
49:26Not that I wasn't paying when we sold, but I was listing everything and anything.
49:30And it was like, dude, would you let me, but this is all Carolina trader posting.
49:36You had to, you had to manually fill it out.
49:39Yeah. They're on the, in every Carolina trader, there was like four spots in the back and you had to write your
49:46item down, how much it was, the description and everything and write it out.
49:51And then you'd mail it in and it would come out in the next week's trader.
49:56And I'd have to buy like five Carolina traders to mail in my 20 options that I was trying to sell.
50:03Of course. And, uh, it was, it was an amazing time.
50:06Go bird says he's probably a Ford Explorer guy, not a Ford Explorer guy, but a big Ford guy.
50:12So you're a big Mustang guy. But, uh, at that, at this, this point in time, it was more like motor, like
50:20go-karts and lawnmowers and stuff like that. I, I, that was by the time I got bigger and better in the wash machines.
50:27Yeah. Whatever. Dude, I used to go to the flea market every Saturday when I got my license at 15 years old,
50:34I'd take three used push mowers to the flea market and sell them for 40 bucks a pop on Saturday morning.
50:41And I, like I used to have my middle school teachers give me their old push mowers that didn't work.
50:48And I'd get my dad to go pick them up and we'd take them home and I'd fix them up.
50:54It was a good time. It was a good time.
50:57Um, anyway, give us one more run on this roster here.
51:01The quick and dirty of that thing. Right. Chef.
51:04Um, if you want to turn the fun meter up, Oh, you know what?
51:08I love to rip the knob off, baby. I, I, I, I, you could probably get a 27 first for scat.
51:15You could probably take toot and you could probably mix Dobbins and toot and get a 27 first.
51:21So there's two 27 first for you right there.
51:24Um, if you send camp Scott, a boot to everybody in your league for a 27 first, somebody's going to take it.
51:31Of course, leave the best two teams out. Don't send it to them first because you don't want to get that quick
51:38auto except and get the one 12 from somebody.
51:41You want to go ahead and start with the other guys and send it to the worst six or seven guys first.
51:48Try that. So you get a, you get two 27 first by selling scataboo and tootin and, and probably mixing in Dobbins in there as needed.
51:57I'd probably wait till the season was rolling to sell doubt.
52:01I think, I think you can get a second round pick as soon as people see doubt on the field.
52:07Um, I'm with you. I think DJ Moore could easily come out looking hot.
52:12You could probably add a second round pick to DJ Moore and week three and maybe get another 27 first to him, build a package around DJ Moore.
52:21Cause he's going to look good. I think Jalen millions, Jalen McMillan is a player.
52:26Casey and I both really like him. DJ Moore, Rico Dowdle, JK Dobbins.
52:30Try to get a first. Yeah, exactly. And so now you got, you got two 28 first.
52:35We just laid out a way to get three 27 first.
52:39We haven't touched your quarterbacks yet. And you got Colson level and gente and Jalen Waddle still and Wondell and Ricky Pearson.
52:46Ricky Pearson could easily come out and halfway through the season, be like this dude's an every day, every week starter, you know?
52:54So that's a fun me. I like to turn that fun meter up sometimes.
52:58Have you, uh, I'm assuming that I'm asking this question to chef because there's no chance big co has ever seen this,
53:05but have you ever seen is Jada kiss Italian?
53:08No. Oh, they got him. They got him. They got him reading Toretto's part and, and fast and the furious.
53:15And he's like, you almost had me. You never have me.
53:18You never had your car, but it's Jada kiss reading it as Toretto.
53:23It's no, you got it. Yeah. You got it.
53:25You got it. You got it. You got to hit me with that one.
53:30Oh, man. I never knock on nobody. I never knock on nobody.
53:34Hey, fast and the furious has become one of my favorite franchises because my wife absolutely fucking hates it.
53:40All right. We got, we got one more question here.
53:43Um, actually, apparently it's a follow-up. Um, so follow up to provide context to my previous question about a start of the 27 draft picks.
53:51Um, we're looking at either a 12 team super flex start 10 or a 14 team, one QB tight end premium start nine, both three flexes.
54:00If it's one QB, I think it devalues the picks.
54:03What's your advice for a build in either format?
54:06Well, that's a really broad question there, but always 12 teams, super flex, tight end premium is going to be my choice.
54:13Um, here's, here's the way I look at that.
54:16And because of, of that, we're, I'm putting so much time into things and whatnot.
54:21I don't want like, once you throw the wrench into something now, it's like, it's off of the things that I'm, that
54:28I have the most, like, why, why would I want to be taken down my chances?
54:33Cause now we're just throwing things that I haven't been up on in the 14 one QB tight and pre not that
54:41it's, you know, obviously it's not that different, but it can kind of different.
54:45Um, I want to play, I want to play fairly vanilla things that I have the most, uh, knowledge about and have
54:52the most, uh, time spent doing so I can have the best opportunity to try to win something.
54:58Like I'm not, I'm not, and I, you know, I'm, I got 10, 15 leagues and if you've got a couple leagues
55:05and you just want to have some fun and that's cool.
55:09Um, but for me, I mean, competing, he said fairly vanilla, but what, like, this is just a couple of years ago.
55:16If you'd have told somebody that fairly vanilla was super flex tight end premium start for flexes.
55:22Dude, when we first started doing this podcast, we wouldn't even talk about super flex.
55:27We were like, nah, we're not doing it. It's one quarterback.
55:30Yeah. So I agree with what Casey said. Like I'm not, you know, I've been invited every year.
55:36I get invited to a points per carry league startup and I'm just like, I've, I'm good.
55:42I'm, I don't want anything to do with that.
55:44I will stay in my lane. I've, I can let the flex number, the starting roster, uh, flex number.
55:51I can let that fluctuate. I can do, I can let the amount of tight end premium fluctuate, but I want it
55:58to be super flex and I don't want any crazy wild scoring attributes.
56:02I'm good on all that. Um, there is a, um, there is a question up in the regular chat, Casey, a little bit up there.
56:10I'm going to, I'm going to get to him.
56:13I just, I went with this one because it was the follow-up and it was the last, uh, shit.
56:19My question. I'm holding it up here. Shev, do you, did you, did you have any input on a 12 or 14,
56:26one QB or, or like the advice for a build that that's a, you know, like I just said, I'm a, I'm
56:34a normally struggling kind of productive struggle kind of builder because I've found like I can just build the most value in,
56:41in a short time and just suck for a minute.
56:44And then year two, three, we start turning a corner and it's, it's easier to build the team that I want coming out of a startup.
56:52Generally you're, you should have a weak spot anyway.
56:55Um, and then you might be a little older or whatever.
56:59So I've just found I've had the most success with that.
57:03Shev, do you have any input on that before we move to the body of the question here?
57:08Yeah. Go and try to get as many valuable tight ends as humanly possible in this format.
57:14That's my, that's my bonafide, like receivers have a little bit more value if you got to start three of them, but I'm going to hoard tight ends.
57:23Like that's, that's kind of where I am, especially if it's anything, if it's anything more than like, is it more than 0.5 Titan premium?
57:31Like I, I heavily prioritize it. Like my first round picks can be a tight end.
57:36My second or my third round picks going to be a tight end.
57:41It's that becomes tight end premium. Those tight ends become valuable because the ones that score a lot of points dry up first.
57:48Yeah. Money ball and Nola says, would you join a super flex point per carry 1.75, 10 and premium 24 Debbie league IDP.
57:56And you can only set your lineup on a Tuesday at four 30.
58:00Oh, Rocco. Wow. Back in the day, you know, back in the day when, before Mary, when kids came along, Casey and
58:07I were trying to set up an IDP league.
58:10I was like, yeah, we want a defensive lineman and a linebacker in a safe.
58:15Yeah. I want a salary cap. I want it to be real.
58:19Damn it. Yeah. Dude. You guys that are like, you know, high school and college right now without actual, like, you know, liabilities in life.
58:27Like you guys don't know how great you have it with the current dynasty landscape and your options.
58:33You know? You know, and while I'm here, I'll ask another question.
58:37I've been in second and third in this league, went through a bit of a retool selling AJ Brown, DJ Moore, Ferguson,
58:44Dowdle, and turning Hertz and love into Mahomes and Purdy and separate deals acquiring the 103 Tyson and Kraft.
58:50I have plenty of 27 ammo to hunt for RB help as well.
58:54The question is, is who do I target? People are being stingy with their studs.
58:59Rightfully so. It's a shallow league. Uh, despite a satirical full rebuilder name, I see myself as a contender, uh, and would
59:06like to make a push for a chip this year.
59:10Thanks for the help. Uh, so we can dive into this real quick.
59:14Um, and then we'll get into some, some chef contract and some buckets.
59:18All right. So he was, oh, this is an eight man league.
59:22All right. It's weird. What was, what was his name?
59:25Jay Edwards. What was the, the team name? I thought that was, I thought that was your mic.
59:31She has his elf. He just wasn't speaking into it.
59:34Oh, there. No. Okay. So it says sleeper username.
59:37Jay Edwards. One, two, seven team name. Full rebuilder.
59:40Fuck my. Yeah. But I don't, I don't see that.
59:43Do you? My, my, my, my crazy here. No, uh, it's not there.
59:48It's just not there. Unless it's pulling up like a different, unless it's pulling up a different league for some reason.
59:54Who did he say he's on his team? He's got, um, Jordan Tyson, right?
59:59Sold AJ Brown. Yeah. He's got my homes party.
60:02So it's the nasty boys of summer. Okay. So did you just, buddy, did you just put a random name?
60:08He changed his name since then. Um, you are, you are really, you really fry me right now.
60:14Yeah. Um, all right. So jumping in here, uh, he's got my homes.
60:19He's got purdy. He's got Malik Willis, Ty Simpson, Mac Jones, percent fields.
60:23It's an eight man league. So take that for, um, just remember that.
60:27Uh, it's, it's pretty standard. It's two wide receivers, three flex, um, one QB PPR.
60:32Um, so 18, he's got Jamar chase, Drake, London, Nico Collins, Jordan Tyson, Makai Lemon, Jamison Williams, Antonio Williams, uh, Ted Hurston,
60:39Jalen Coker, Colson, Love and Tucker Kraft Gadsden likely helm.
60:42He's got two first round picks to second round picks in 27.
60:46He's got all his 28 thirds. It looks like he's got multiple thirds.
60:50He's got a lot of capital. Jeremiah love Josh Jacobs, Harvey Brooks, Benson, Caleb Johnson.
60:55So he needs, he was basically saying, where do I go for the running backs?
61:00Who should I be targeting? So he's got ammunition.
61:03He's got things to do. He's got ways to get them.
61:07So unfortunately I feel like in the, in the eight man league, like you, you basically are the problem with the eight
61:14man league is like your, your, your trade partners are fairly limited, right?
61:18Right. It just doesn't, it's not going to make sense for a lot of people to do a lot of the things
61:25that it would in a, in a, in a larger setting.
61:29Or if you had more starters. Right. You should campaign to make this a bigger starting league, um, with, with it being
61:36eight man, um, is what I would do. Push for start 12 or start 14 or something crazy.
61:42Like add as many flex. Cause you, you've got, that's where you could weaponize your, your advantage.
61:47But I mean, you know, ifs and nuts, candy, you know, candy, butts, whatever.
61:52So, you know, seven, seven here, you know, has good players, but it's an eight man league and eight here has some older players.
62:00Um, but you know, he's not filling out a whole lineup.
62:03That's, that's elite per se. Um, what about fraud alert?
62:07Have you made it there yet? It does say dynasty one QB, but it's showing that it's starts to, but there's no super, Oh, it's two QB.
62:15Okay. So it's just straight up to QB. Okay.
62:18That's what it says. Start to starting lineup, two quarterbacks.
62:22So you do have to start two quarterbacks. All right.
62:25Cool. Uh, but I knew ball. He's got JT, Derek Henry, Montgomery.
62:29Um, if, if either, if any of these guys are willing to trade their running backs, I think that's, that's your, you know, seven and eight here.
62:37Eight's got sevens got Gibbs, um, which I doubt he wants to trade him, but you have enough ammunition to try to
62:45just go fire off and get Jameer Gibbs. If you want, you got a bunch of firsts.
62:50You could, you could take a shot at him.
62:53That's, you know, well, how would John he's got Judkins.
62:56We've been a big candidate of him. He's got CMC.
63:00He might be a little older. Maybe you could pick him up.
63:04What are you guys seeing here? I want to, I want to attack this fraud alert guy and try to, well, no,
63:11older has a bunch of good running backs, but it says he's middling.
63:15Okay. So I haven't worked out the math in my head of what a first round pick would be worth to try
63:22to get a guy like, you're going to hear me say this on every episode.
63:27If you're trying to contend and win money this year, Christian McCaffrey is the guy.
63:32I like that. That's the guy I want. It's a guy that I'm actively targeting if I'm trying to win money this year.
63:39So holder of elves is, is kind of, that's what struck my eye.
63:44Yeah. I mean, I like you basically to me, this is just like, who's the partner that is willing to make a deal.
63:51And, and I might, you know, got to maybe overpay a little bit to get them.
63:56But like JT, somebody who I'd be fine with targeting.
64:00You guys mentioned CFC. Like this team right here has got at least a nice stable of running backs.
64:06They're not quite there in the wide receiver department.
64:09They're definitely deficient in the, you know, Jake Ferguson's fine, but in an eight man league, you know, that's a, that's a
64:16tough, tough one there, but he's got fine quarterbacks.
64:19Um, and he doesn't have his 20 C doesn't have any 27 picks.
64:23So this isn't a, you know, here holder of elves, like you were saying, Shev, like he's somebody who you could target
64:30trying to give away some picks too. Right. Yeah.
64:33I mean, that's, that's the, that's where, that's, that's my initial lean is like, Hey, we overpay.
64:39I mean, this dude's probably not going to give you Gibbs, but you can, you, the, the grip on Judkins is loose
64:46enough to where it's worth a shot and you've got a little more long-term viability.
64:51But if you just want to try to win money this year, we're going to, we're going to just, we're going to
64:58go try to get Christian McCaffrey and call it a day.
65:01Big go. Any other thoughts before we wrap up the question portion, at least for now, can you show his team?
65:08Can you scroll down once one team there? I've been just frantically looking for this question to pull it up.
65:15I've clicked on six questions. So I've looked, I'm using your screen.
65:19So he's the Josh, Josh Jacobs guy. He's the nasty boys of summer.
65:23Is that what we confirmed? Right. Jordan Tyson, Mahomes and Purdy.
65:26Um, he's got Jacobs and Jeremiah love RJ Harvey Brooks.
65:30So, you know, he, he could, he could use an upgrade at, um, and he's got really good tight ends here.
65:37So you could be using a tight end, um, to go, to go after this, um, to go after one of these, um, running backs here.
65:45Uh, you've got some first, uh, you've got some first, you got some ammunition, you've got holder of L's.
65:51His tight end situation is Ferguson. And you've got, you've got upgrades to Ferguson here.
65:56As far as, you know, likely in Loveland, um, or, or maybe even a Rondé Gadsden, um, potentially long-term.
66:02Um, so I like, I like the idea of taking like a, um, using the Rondé Gadsden hype because with Colson and
66:09look with, with Loveland and craft, like you're completely set.
66:13And then likely is the magnificent, um, sitting on the bench.
66:16I don't really have to play, but if it hits, it's could hit ridiculously hard.
66:21And you got all those first round picks. Like you said, I would just, you know, Josh Jacobs right now, if Josh
66:28Jacobs was, had no problems, then you go into week one with no problems.
66:33You know, you're, you're starting lineup is as good as anybody's.
66:36Um, and of course you can't use Josh Jacobs to tear up right now because nobody's going to give you anything for him.
66:44And maybe you don't, maybe he just rides with your, you know, on your team.
66:49For a little bit, but I would probably even with Christian, like chefs, chefs, right.
66:54It's Christian McCaffrey, but I would probably with this quality of team, I'd probably be in week three before it was Christian
67:01McCaffrey or Derek Henry, you know, somebody like that.
67:04Yeah. Just go and grab or, or because you got so many ammunition, so much ammunition.
67:09Now you can trade three for one and you come out with B.
67:13John, you know? Um, but I w I would hang on.
67:17I would hang on until week three before I did anything crazy.
67:21And you said, I mean, it is a, it is a one start one quarterback, right?
67:26Well, it's, it's, it's two quarterbacks. It's not super flex.
67:29So, okay. Start two quarterbacks. It says one QB in the thing, but it does.
67:34The starting lineup says two quarterbacks and two quarterbacks are highlighted.
67:38And he mentioned making a trade for my homes and, and party.
67:42So that would make sense. So, um, but you know, trying to get Gibbs is never a bad idea.
67:48If that guy will let him go. Right. Um, and you can kind of afford it.
67:53You got a good, you got a tight end.
67:56You could give him, you got some picks you could give them.
68:00Um, and he's young enough that you could, you know, survive, uh, for, for a long period of time with that.
68:07I don't know if he's going, but again, to me, this is just the problem with eight man is always like, you
68:14have to have the partner that's willing to do something.
68:17And with eight guys and the flux of the league going back and forth, there's a lot of people in here of
68:24like, you know, anything could go wrong. And then you're not a contender anymore or anything can go right.
68:30And you're a contender. Absolutely. Of course. I mean, there's, there's, there's a bunch of luck in anything.
68:36An eight man, I think is, you know, unless, unless somebody has just got an absolute juggernaut.
68:42I mean, for the most part, it's, it's, you know, biggest crap shoot as anything.
68:47Yeah. But you just want as many high end assets as possible.
68:51Send, send your latest first round pick for Judkins after, you know, try to try to get Gibbs, send the first round
68:58pick and, and some, and, uh, Gadsden and, you know, another player and try to get Gibbs.
69:03Hold on real, real quick. What's the fun meter though?
69:06What's turning the fun meter up? Yeah. We got to turn.
69:10I want to hear the fun meter on an eight man, because this shit's going to get weird.
69:16Not like it. Well, like, so you got Loveland and craft, so you could, I love, I don't, I really don't want to split those guys up.
69:25If I'm, if I, you could trade Loveland to somebody and probably get almost anything.
69:30So, and because craft is a good fallback and you got, uh, I love the idea of how the value on likely right now is so good.
69:38You can't trade him because you're not going to get what he is, what his potential carries.
69:44I know potential is a dangerous word, but what potentially could go on with likely right now, he literally turned down money, more money from the red.
69:53He told his agent, like, I don't want the most money you can get me.
69:58I want the most targets you can get me.
70:00So his agent went out into free agency, Isaiah likely agent goes out looking for the most weekly targets that he could
70:08get out of a team, not the most guaranteed money.
70:11And I don't know how you could be more fired up about that.
70:15Right. So like, I don't know that the giants are going to give him all that many targets, but they must've told
70:22him they were because he wouldn't assign with them.
70:25Right. And so, and he signed quickly. And I mean, it happened like that.
70:30There was targets to be given to Isaiah likely.
70:33So I love what Isaiah likely is going on right now.
70:36And then, you know, he had the, um, the guy from the charters Gadsden.
70:41So like between, if you were, you could package up, uh, Loveland and Gadsden and go make some crazy moves and still
70:48have craft and likely or by, or, or get craft and keep Loveland.
70:52I prefer to keep Loveland and craft and just try to focus on Gadsden.
70:57But in an 18, like you said, Chev, if you're going to turn the fun meter up, you can't get anything if you ain't given it, you know?
71:06But with the three first round picks, you could go attack and you could go get B.
71:11John. If you want to, you can get any player on the board because you have three gives is gives is potentially
71:19available on a team that isn't ready to go.
71:22Um, it doesn't have any first round picks. Yeah.
71:24You probably were, you're a lot better. You're probably getting Gibbs.
71:28The road to B. John goes through Gibbs. You probably buy Gibbs from a team who quote unquote, can't use him right necessarily.
71:36Cause they're not really ready. And then you can add something to Gibbs to get B.
71:41John. If you can give the B. John guy Gibbs, you can get B.
71:45John. If you don't have Gibbs or Jeremiah love or Gente.
71:49He does have love, but you, right. You know what I mean?
71:53Like you, you can, that's, that's the road to B.
71:56John is getting Gibbs first and then go into the B.
72:00John guy. Cause it's theoretically not that far away.
72:03Whoa. Whoa. What do you think about this? Why don't we, why don't, if you're trying to, if the, if the goal
72:10is to get one of the hammers, one of the, one of the guys, you know, we two first in love, just
72:17send two first in love for B. John. That would be the quote unquote overpay.
72:22And I'm sure he would take that. I mean, just, just, just send a first in love for, yeah.
72:28Just said one of them first. Yeah. Send one first, but be willing to do.
72:33You guys are turning the meter up. I told you, I want to get weird.
72:38Your latest, your latest first. And then Gadsden. So you get Jeremiah love, you get my, you get a 20, 27 first.
72:45I've tried to pick the latest one. Apparently you'll you.
72:48If he has his, you send yours and then you send Gadsden as well.
72:53Yeah. I'm trying to, I just need to figure out how to just get Gibbs and not give up love.
72:59That's what I'm doing. So there was one, there was one more question that I was talking about on the live stream.
73:06I got it. Okay. Okay. All right. We got one more question here in high stakes drafts rank.
73:12These five pairs, London and pits. Shout out to fantasy meatball, London and pits, Evans and Pierce.
73:18All I'm going to assume this is dynasty. Um, I don't know.
73:22Um, and high stakes drafts, right? These five pairs, London and pits, the chat, Evans and Pierce.
73:27All Collins and Higgins, lad and QJ Casey and Boston.
73:30Thanks fellas. All right. So we're going to assume it's dynasty.
73:34Cause that's usually what we're talking about. Right. Yeah.
73:37Um, I don't know if it's tight end premium.
73:40So those would be questions that maybe we need to have answered.
73:44Um, I'm meatballs in here somewhere. Yeah. He has been in here.
73:48Let's assume it's tight end premium and let's assume it's dynasty.
73:51Yeah. I, yeah. I think London and pits would be number one.
73:55If it is tight end premium. Right. Yeah. Yeah.
73:58Uh, yeah. London and pits. I mean, Evans and Pierce all for one year could be the second answer, but Evans being older is, is hard to say.
74:07Um, I'd say Collins and Higgins are probably my next two.
74:11Yes. Then lad and QJ and then Casey and Boston.
74:14Yeah. Evans and Pierce all is going to be last for me.
74:18Evans and Pierce. So yeah, probably would be last dynasty wise.
74:22Yeah. See, I've, the reason I was making, obviously he gave us some money to talk about this.
74:27I want to make sure we caught it, but it's, I was wondering if it was dynasty or redraft, but the part
74:35about that, it's like, well, Evans and Pierce all just being in here is, is a, is a, a funky cog in the wheel.
74:42Like where do the quarterbacks come into play? You know, because I like if, if we rank these and now you're like
74:50chasing like Evans and Pierce all, you don't have to.
74:53And take one of the, Pierce all shows up in the 10th round.
74:57Now ninth round, you know, London is a second round pick, you know?
75:01So like the ranking of these is, is tough.
75:04And then like, so like Collins and Higgins, I love both of those guys, but right.
75:09The second what's going on with the quarterback play, you know?
75:13So that's, I mean, yes, it's by far London and pits for dynasty.
75:17And I love Nico and Jaden Higgins, you know, I just like, I wasn't sure exactly where we're going with this.
75:24And I was hoping that fantasy meatballs still in the chat to kind of give us a little bit more heads up.
75:31Um, cause the quarterback play. Yeah. If you're talking quarterback play, then maybe, maybe it could be lad and QJ is as two.
75:39Yeah. I've like, I think Higgins and Collins are two lad.
75:42It's three. Boston's four and Pierce all's five. Yeah.
75:45I can get down with, I mean, Casey and Casey and Boston are fun, but I, right now you just got to shelf those guys.
75:53It's, I mean, obviously week one, anything can happen, but you just got to shelf those guys right in the second.
76:00And neither one of them in a startup draft are really all that expensive and rookie draft.
76:06They're both first round picks. If so, my, if it's based on the quarterback play, then I don't see how there's an
76:13answer other than lad and QJ being number one.
76:16Well, even if it's, I mean, I don't want to say based off a quarterback play.
76:21That was just where we, I don't know why it matters to him.
76:25Why these, these were in, you know, he's, he said, sorry, Casey, it's the FFPC tournament, which is like that.
76:32So now we're talking redraft, right? Got to be right.
76:35Fantasy. You want to hit us up and tell us he's, he's texting us right now, guys.
76:41He says half, half tight end premium FFPC tournament.
76:43It sounds like a redraft to me. And he says, all right.
76:47So that makes a lot more sense because like, again, still, even in redraft, like Evans and Pierce are way down the
76:55list and London and pits are higher up on the list.
76:58So I'm looking, instead of looking for those doubles in a region and what I was looking at this 30 minutes ago,
77:05when he posted, I was like, this has got to be a redraft question.
77:10Like instead of London and like London and Caleb Williams is the answer, you know, that you're, I'm not necessarily in redraft.
77:17Right. Like because, because the quarterback, I was doing a, a, a best ball and like Caleb Williams is fifth or sixth
77:24round in redraft, which is still more than I want to spend.
77:28But I did take London in the second round, which is what I was like, all right, I got London.
77:35I like Caleb Williams. And if I take Caleb Williams, now I don't have to dress quarterback until like the very end.
77:42And I can go after Malik Willis and I'm happy.
77:45Right. So like, it wasn't like, I don't want to take fifth round, sixth round, you know, Caleb Williams.
77:51Really? He's I'm more, that's more of a dynasty play for me, but I think this, this year would be just fine
77:58and awesome if you get a stack there. So that's kind of where I was like, all right.
78:04What'd you, what'd you think, Shevin, in redraft here?
78:07Cause I definitely, my order switches then for sure.
78:10Oh yeah. I mean, 0.7, 0.5 tight end premium redraft it's London and pits.
78:15And then I'd go lad and QJ. The Casey in Boston probably is at the bottom.
78:20Yeah. For redraft. I think so. They gotta be just definitely.
78:23We go back to quarterback play. And you don't want two of those guys on the redraft.
78:29Like you don't have enough roster spots. You don't want eat.
78:32You don't want two Brown wide receivers on your redraft team this year.
78:37Yeah. I don't, yeah. I don't, I don't love, I don't love the, the Casey in Boston wouldn't be a serious consideration for me and redraft.
78:45I mean, is, I don't, you know, if, if we, I think Pierce all and Evans might be, might be, it's probably, might be two or three redraft.
78:54It's Pierce all and Evans should be two to me or three close.
78:59Right. Because it's just the, it's just, okay. So how much of a difference is there between healthy Mike Evans isn't going
79:06to be that cheap and redraft Evans is going to be pretty, he's probably going to be a fifth round pick fifth or a sixth round pick.
79:14I can't wait till we get the redraft side on the website.
79:18That's good. Redraft side coming soon. Wow. But yeah, I'd, I'd go.
79:22It's closer than the experts think on to, to quote the great league course on, on, on Nico Collins and, and yeah,
79:29I view Evans and Pierce called Nico and Collins really, really tight there.
79:34Just kind of the, the outcome of Higgins and Pierce all both, I think is, can be similar here.
79:40And I give, I give the edge to Pierce all just off the, off the, you know, off the QB play.
79:47Yeah. At least what we went in the eighth round of a non-premium draft.
79:51So not that expensive of which, of what are you, what, what site are you using there?
79:57That's just a, um, a fast draft that I was a 10 man.
80:01Oh, okay. Fair enough. So that would, that would raise them up.
80:05What? At least two and a half rounds. Yeah.
80:08I feel like best balls, um, underdog Evans might be like fifth or sixth round.
80:13Uh, anyway, um, and he, we've got a final pairing here.
80:16I mean, yeah. London pits, like Evans, Pierce all Collins Higgins or London pits, lad QJ.
80:22Evans, Evans, Pierce all Collins Higgins. I see Boston.
80:24Big co I could get down with that. What he said.
80:28I just, I'm not the, the only one in here that has a tight end is the London and pits.
80:35You know, I I'm not in redraft one seat.
80:37Like I, I said earlier, like I'm not changing my dynasty outlook.
80:41Most likely because the team has, if I had two wide receivers are on the same team or not.
80:48If I like the guys, I like the guys, but like in redraft in one season, like, especially, you know, I guess,
80:55you know, I've only thing I've been doing is the fast, small, fast draft stuff has been 10 man.
81:01So my don't really have my head wrapped around this.
81:04Like I could have, like Casey just pointed out, didn't even realize it was 10 man.
81:09That's how much I'm into it. It's like, you know, like Evans, Evans and, and best ball sounds amazing.
81:16Mike Evans is Mike Evans turned down more money to go from the books to go to a winner.
81:22And like, you know, like it's a three 50 live draft.
81:25So the Niners are going to throw that man to ball.
81:29Mike Evans is going to get it. Absolutely. Mike Evans is about to crush.
81:33He's again, he's got again, the white house. I met the president of the United States again.
81:39All right. So yeah, I, I lad and QJ is the wild card here, man.
81:44Like we, we were just giving QJ his flowers and like, if QJ really steps up in this offense, then lad and QJ are two.
81:52And QJ, I think is the best compliment with the most upside of, or at least the most upside we've seen, right.
81:59That becomes more consistent. Then QJ, QJ has been on my, all, all my two, three mock drafts in the, in the,
82:06in the fast draft in lab McConkey. He hasn't even been there for me to draft.
82:12I don't know if it's where I'm in or like, he, he hasn't been in my almost drafted selection yet, but QJ went on all my teams.
82:20Um, yeah. My final answer is exactly how he has it written.
82:24I'm going London pits, Evans, Pierce, all Collins Higgins, lad QJ, Casey Boston with, with potentially swapping lad and QJ to the Collins and Higgins.
82:32But I think Collins is about the, just the upside of what Collins brings to ladder QJ.
82:38I think just trumps it like Collins could be a top five player.
82:42And lad probably could, but if QJ is good, then lad's probably not as good as right.
82:48We think, I think Higgins could still be good enough with Collins being like a top five, eight receiver in the league.
82:55And, you know, lad could certainly get there, but I know that Collins Evans and London have the, have, have seen that.
83:02Um, right. Right. And with Evans, it's, it's, it's efficiency.
83:05Let's see. It's 70 receptions and 13 touchdowns. And that's the one thing that we know Brock party is good at doing.
83:12And the Niners are good at doing this run efficiency and putting up numbers.
83:17Um, all right. Yeah. Need to cut three. This one just came in.
83:21Mike six, seven, two, or Mike six, two, seven, one, zero, zero.
83:25Need to cut three super flex set in premium or package trade offer on the table.
83:30Give Brees, um, Casey gets Hampton early 27 second leaning.
83:34No, but hate to cut Samson and right handcuffs, give Brees and Concepcion and get Hampton and a 27 early second.
83:40Who does he need to cut? Need to cut people make you do some wild things.
83:46It really will. Uh, it, it'll, it, it really will.
83:49I don't have a problem with the trade. But if you, if you're, it, it doesn't say if it's FFPC or not,
83:56the, the, the question just came in. So if you're like, how tight are these bench spots?
84:02Because Casey Concepcion could easily be a two year roster clogger.
84:05I love him in dynasty, but we can't, you can't tell me that anybody on the Brown, like they got Judkins and
84:12they got fan in and they don't have a quarterback.
84:16So, you know, maybe I got a half of one.
84:19Um, you know, it depends on how many, how tight are these roster spots?
84:23Because I don't want to get, I'm not in, I'm not in the trade and Brees business.
84:29I'm not in the trade and beat tall business, but the Marion Hampton is got all of the McDaniels.
84:35Right. Uh, I'm like, like the, it's Brees is Brees, but like the charters office versus what we're hoping for the jets might Trump that.
84:43Right. And I think just out of the early 27 second is nice.
84:47That that's probably about what Casey would be worth in next year's draft.
84:52Potentially I'm, I'm maybe devaluing him a little too much there.
84:55Um, at least it's semi-close and Hampton's worth way more than Brees at this point.
85:00And the difference between Hampton and Brees right now, and that 27 and Casey more than makes up the difference, I think.
85:07And like you could go do something else with Hampton if you wanted to, it's not always about a value play when
85:14you're trying to win money, but I think Hampton and Brees probably have similar outcomes.
85:19Um, if everything goes well for Brees and everything goes well for Hampton, I think they're probably similar outcomes of what you get in Hampton's a little younger.
85:28So, um, I would just, he's got to cut right Sampson cousins or AD Mitchell basically.
85:34So, um, so I like the, I'll take the Hampton in the second one in that one.
85:39And again, not in the Brees trading business. We've been loving for a long time.
85:44And why not, you know, leave that trade on the table and send them one with, and you also get like a
85:51third or fourth next year and say, Hey man, I just gave a first round pick for Casey.
85:57He's the kicker in the deal here. And I just gave a first for him.
86:02So you're giving me a two and I gave a one.
86:06Let me try to get a three or a four back.
86:09And, but if you need to take the deal, take it.
86:13Yeah. She have any thoughts. No, I'm good. I'm good.
86:16You guys pretty, pretty well, pretty well covered it there.
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87:37I've played, uh, Gonzalo Plata for more than two shots for Ecuador.
87:41I've played, um, Julian. Julian. Quinlanos for Mexico over more, more, sorry, more than one and a half shots.
87:47And Raul Jimenez. I got that one for sure.
87:50Um, more than 1.5 shots, um, for this game and Jimenez, we just need one more shot from him.
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88:16Back to the show. Shev, you got any contract stuff for us before we talk about buckets?
88:21Do I, maybe we might not even get into buckets tonight.
88:25Cause we've been, we've been good time. It has been super active.
88:29This has been, this has been, we were saying that we wanted to do this, but then the chat got super active.
88:36So there's basically 40, 42 contract players of note.
88:39We're not going to go through all 42, but like just guys that you want to try to get a hold of
88:46or try to get ahead of, cause they could be in for a big season.
88:51If you're a contender, obviously we know about chase Brown.
88:54Well, we'll go position by position. Really? The only two quarterbacks of note or CJ Stroud, Bryce.
89:00I'm not going to include Deshaun Watson in this cause he was on here for some reason, because I guess after this
89:07year, this is the first year after this year, that's the first year that won't have a massive amount of dead money
89:14to try to get rid of him. And I'm pretty sure that's what they're going to do.
89:20Uh, and then the guys that we need to be stashing, the guys that, you know, the big co slash Casey special
89:27of, you know, just stashing second string quarterbacks, will Levis, Aiden O'Connell, Anthony Richardson.
89:31Like let's get those guys on, let's get those guys on the back end.
89:36A rich, a rich. And, uh, who, who was the other one?
89:40Will Levis. Will Levis. Aiden O'Connell. O'Connell. I don't, I don't know how, how excited I am about him, but.
89:46I mean, he's shown capable, capable flashes of being an NFL quarterback.
89:50Yeah. It's not great, but it was also a very dysfunctional environment.
89:54They're asking him to play in. Um, real quick.
89:57Howler won. He said, how do you get a roster reviewed?
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90:15up, um, within a few days available on the site here.
90:18Uh, we were, we're kind of reworking a few things right before the end of that comes out.
90:24We were scheduled to drop them tomorrow. They may drop tomorrow.
90:28They may drop in a day or two. We're, we're, we're sorry about that.
90:32But, uh, the, uh, our main website guy had a appendectomy, uh, Jesus a week or two ago.
90:38So, um, but yeah, anyway, sorry, chef. Oh, you're good.
90:42You're good. But yeah, going back to it, just, I mean, so that pretty much like will Levis, Aidan O'Connell, Anthony Richardson
90:49are the guys that are going to be impending free agents.
90:52I don't know. I mean, they're probably all going to sound like, you know, backup prove it deals.
90:58And then maybe Hey, rich is switching to tight end.
91:01That's pretty funny. And then, you know, we move on to the running backs.
91:06The, the exciting part here. Yeah. Obviously you've got Gibbs.
91:09We talked about chase Brown. We know the, we know the Bengals are cheap.
91:14So let me ask you guys a question. I don't want to spark a massive discussion, but this chase Brown lose a ton of value.
91:22If he goes somewhere where he gets the bag, but it's not the Bengals environment.
91:27I don't know if ton is the right word, but I don't think you leave Joe Burrow and his ability to get the ball checked down to you.
91:36And not all of them are even checked downs.
91:39He called 80 balls last year. You know, um, he's played well when Joe Burrow was hurt, but he obviously plays better
91:46when Joe Burrow is in there and making the defense back up and there, it just gives space.
91:52Um, at this invite we've seen the last two years, we've seen a lot more teams keep their running backs, you know?
91:59Um, so like if Joe Burrow's won't set man to stay that man staying now, I mean, yeah, you know, uh, that
92:06I don't know if chase Brown is anywhere close to the dolphins payday chain, a lot of money, but like there's been
92:13a couple of running backs that just stayed where they were at, got paid.
92:18And there's been a handful of running backs that really got solid, solid amount of cash to stick around.
92:24Uh, we'll see how I think the Bengals need Bengals got a lot more problems and worried about what they're going to do with chase Brown right now.
92:33If it, if they can't get themselves together, Burrow's already, you know, putting the tea leaves out there that he don't want to be there.
92:41So I don't, you know, kind of guessing on a chase Brown situation past his contract is really maybe fools.
92:48They earned right this second, just because the Bengals and if they can't make Joe Burrow happy, them boys are going back
92:55to the draft, looking for a quarterback. Yeah. You know, they got bigger problems than chase Brown being to being good enough to earn money.
93:03Yeah. I think, I think chase Brown stayed everybody that they wanted on offenses stayed.
93:08Yeah. So, but yeah, I think, I think he would probably, I think, well, generally here's how I would answer that question.
93:15The public hates chase Brown and they've been waiting for him.
93:19So if he moves somewhere where it's not like another elite quarterback, yes, his value is going to drop because people have just been preying on his downfall.
93:28I mean, just, you know, uh, so I think there would be some value drop on any, you know, be what 27 when he signs the next contract.
93:37So yeah, probably some, I would say so. You want to know who you want to know who doesn't like do, who does not hate chase Brown.
93:46Madden ratings. Why would they? There's, there's a, his individual stats, like his overall, there's a bunch of, there's, there's a handful
93:53of running backs and especially like the older ones that we dismiss in dynasty that are way over chase Brown.
93:59But you go click on chase Brown and Madden and look at his ratings and be like, Oh, the guys that do
94:07this for every player in the league and have been doing it for 20 years.
94:12They respect what chase Brown bringing out there every Sunday.
94:15Of course they do. All right. Real quick. And before we hop back into Shev Warren or fanning 0.5 tight end premium
94:22dynasty startup, uh, Warren for me, but it's not a huge gap.
94:26I just prefer the situation for Warren more now.
94:29If you know, currently. Yeah. Warren pretty easily. Yeah.
94:32Yeah. I'm taking more first, but again, Casey fan does not have an N at a G at the end of his
94:39name fan and fan and fanning fanning. There's no G whatever.
94:42I also say across the street, there's no T in there either, but Hey, you know, you don't pronounce the T as
94:50hard as I've heard people pronounce it. All right.
94:53She has, you got any more? Oh yeah. Yeah.
94:55Yeah. So that's kind of the big, the running back.
94:59That's a big three. Jamar chase B or Jameer Gibbs, B John Robinson and chase Brown.
95:04But then you come in with the Zach Charbonnays Casey, you and Jeremiah did the, uh, did the episode on, on bylaws or stashes.
95:12I believe where we talked about Ty J Spears tank Bixby.
95:15Like there's some names here. Kendra Miller. Yeah. Kendra was on there.
95:19Get out of here. Brother. Just needs a, just needs a chance.
95:23We just need, we just need a chance. We just need a chance.
95:27Number one and miss tackles forced. Her attempt watching him play football makes you believe that he's good, dude.
95:34He just needs to be healthy. I'm on that.
95:36His body is good. Yeah. His body hates him playing football and Dennis Allen hated him playing football even more.
95:43Oh, absolutely. Oh, but yeah, that's pretty much, that's pretty much it.
95:47I mean, I threw Isaiah Pacheco on here cause it's a one year.
95:51Yeah. Yeah. And then I guess, uh, I got a stash tweet coming out maybe tomorrow.
95:56That's got all these guys on there. Big dog.
95:59Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then we move on to the wide receiver, wide receiver position where Jordan Addison.
96:05I mean, obviously you got the fifth year option with some of these guys and I'll make sure that I, I make
96:12note of that, but Jordan Addison contract year, they exercised his fifth year option.
96:17Uh, the booty warrior, Kasha on booty. He's going to be out of, he's I'm pretty sure he's going to be out of new England after this year.
96:26Uh, AJ Brown's up for a new deal because he doesn't have any guaranteed money after this year, or he has like
96:33a $32 million, uh, team, uh, salary cap hit.
96:36So they're probably going to restructure that or try to redo something.
96:40Tank Dell, Demario Davis, Josh downs. This is a wide receiver.
96:44Free pop. It's thick. Yeah. Why? Especially. Yeah. Let's go.
96:47Yeah. Josh downs. Zay flowers. Fifth year option. Obviously.
96:50It's already. It's Josh. He's a man. Both of those guys are getting paid and staying at their team.
96:56Um, Quentin Johnston, fifth year option. Uh, Quentin Johnston somewhere else, right?
97:00He's on the move. I told you, did we, did we talk about this on like on the stream where there's a,
97:07there's an aggressive vision where George Pickens plays his way out of.
97:11Oh yeah. Yeah. Dallas. Yeah. All that'd be all.
97:14That'd be sick. QJ goes back to Dallas. Yeah.
97:17I mean, where he's from the central Texas area, but, uh, Marvin Mims, obviously the high end guys, Puka Nakua and Rasheed
97:24Rice, which I looked on spot track. So Puka Nakua is projected for four years, 160 million.
97:29Guess what? Rasheed Rice's market value contract is on spot track.
97:33Four for 80. One year. Prove it. Three for 52.
97:36Yeah. Kansas city's taking that all day. If they can get it.
97:40I'm fully guaranteed. So, so that you can't fully guarantee it.
97:44Even for that, he's fucking, there's no chance. There's going to be about 7 million of that.
97:49That's going to be fully guaranteed. And then the rest is going to be tied to incentives that are like roster, but active roster bonuses.
97:57Are you suspended? We're not fucking paying you. You have to have a governor on all of your cars.
98:0470 is the max. This comes with a promise that you're going to get at least $300,000 to Uber to and from practices and games.
98:12Yeah. And your, your boy can't Uber you. All right.
98:15It's got to be an actual Uber driver. Yeah.
98:18He can't sign up for Uber and Uber you either.
98:21Like that's not. And then, so then we got, again, it's, this is a deep list.
98:26Uh, lower end guys, Cedric Tillman, Trey Tucker, my boy, Parker Washington, Dontavian Wicks and Michael Wilson.
98:32Oh, it is Parker Washington. That's interesting. Parker Washington's an interesting one.
98:36Yeah. That's the, that's the one that like, oh, like he's projected right now to get one more year and $8 million more than, than Rashid Rice.
98:45That's crazy. That's nuts. Yeah. That's a, that's a fun, that's a fun receiver class for sure.
98:50Yeah. And then for some reason it didn't copy my tight end.
98:54But cause it's, that's a really fun list. Awesome.
98:57All right. Well, we'll, we'll wrap up with the tight ends after, after Shev gets back, we're going to probably forego some buckets this, this go around.
99:06It's getting late over here. Oh, it's just, okay.
99:09So it's, it's pretty simple. Uh, stashes, Michael Mayer, Luke Musgrave, Luke Schoonmaker, and then the premium, creme de la creme, Tucker Kraft and Sam Laporta.
99:17Sam's interesting for sure. I love the Michael Mayer, uh, Musgrave stashes.
99:21Yeah. I mean, you gotta, you gotta stash Michael Mayer cause he looked awesome his rookie year.
99:27And he looked good in a couple of games where Bowers was hurt last year.
99:31And yeah, uh, Musgrave in the right spot. He, you know, he got beat out by Kraft, but he had opportunity last year and do nothing with it.
99:41He, he could be, Hey, listen, he was drafted ahead of him.
99:45I don't know what to tell you. That's going to be the guy.
99:49Musgrave is super cheap. Packers do that shit all the time and they do it really well.
99:54Yeah. Yeah. Go ahead. Go ahead. Uh, because what were you saying?
99:58I was at Musgrave, super cheap. Uh, he's like way faster than like Michael, Michael Mayer, but Michael Mayer is a complete
100:05tight end leaving a little bit on the table with the agility and the yak and stuff like that.
100:12But Michael Mayer is the kind of guy that can keep this.
100:15You throw it to him. He's going to catch it.
100:19And he's big. He stays. He can block and yada.
100:22He be on the field. Michael Mayer is the kind of guy that the lions let Laporta walk and sign Michael Mayer.
100:29You know who he reminds me of? Yeah. He reminds me of Jake Ferguson.
100:34Yeah. The way that they move and just obviously it's a much smaller sample size because he's gotten, he got, I mean,
100:41he got cooked by Brock Bowers, but like that's kind of who he reminds me of.
100:46I don't know that we'll ever get an outcome like that, but that's, that's when I watch it I'm like, Oh, it's this.
100:54You just, it would for that outcome. You got to have the quarterback being your best friend.
100:59You got to have the quarterback saying if things go wrong and it's about to go down, Ferguson's the first guy I
101:06want to see come join my fight. Right. And when Dak says that, that's how he talks about Ferguson.
101:12So that's why Ferguson gets the targets that he gets.
101:16Cause he is that him and Dak are boys.
101:19Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well, no bucket talk tonight.
101:22We, we, we talked right through it, but we, we will get back to some other guys, some, some glue guys, some
101:29six man, but that, that will be stuff that will be eventually available on the website.
101:34It's going to be available in the roster reviews and help be kind of the engine for that is kind of what
101:41sparked this, but be a lot more. The buckets are going to be things that are on the show a lot more
101:49and how we talk about guys in roster construction, um, kind of moving forward and we're kind of putting all that together.
101:56So we're really excited about it. Um, I know it's kind of a weird thing to say the buckets, maybe we'll figure
102:03out a different way, just like we got to switch tweeners to, um, all-star or, or, uh, pro bowls for, for big
102:10co, you know, doesn't, doesn't want any, doesn't want any tweeners in or around.
102:15No, no, no, it's way too close to, yeah, it's way too, I don't like that.
102:20I don't like that. He's one of the tweeners around his mouth or on his team.
102:25Can't have tweeners coming out of the mouth. All right, let's wrap this one up.
102:30We appreciate you guys. We will, I promise be back on Wednesdays, uh, coming up here.
102:35Uh, shout out to the men's team. Mexico just scored.
102:38Uh, so hopefully human. I was going to yell gold, but then I missed it.
102:43We got, we got to wait to see who scored.
102:46Um, let's see. It doesn't look like it. The only, this looks like this is the only brother on the Mexican team that scored.
102:54Nice. Get it in. This is like when, uh, this is like when United States players go and play, go and play
103:01for like, you know, Uganda or something like that for basketball.
103:05Yeah. Yeah. I couldn't make the Olympic team in the United, the U S but I'll make it in Norway.
103:12Ooh, that was pretty though. Hmm. Got him. Yeah.
103:14So hopefully tomorrow we're, uh, we're advancing and, and, you know, we get to see the men play on, I believe it would be Monday night after that.
103:24So, um, shout out to them. It's been a lot of fun.
103:27The world cup's been a blast. Oh, so much fun.
103:31So, uh, anyway, we'll catch you guys next week, Wednesday, eight 30 live.
103:35We'll talk some buckets. We'll answer some questions. We'll have a good time.
103:39Maybe we might do a mock. We haven't done a mock.
103:43Hmm. All right. We feel like I see us.
103:46Peace. Oh, shout out to, uh, shout out to, to, to Jeremiah one more time.
103:51You know, that was, that was awesome. Appreciate you, man.
103:54Part of the show. Yeah. We'll catch you next week.
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