0:00Ben, >> every single NFL team has reported for training camp. Unbelievable that we started drafting in January when the big board open and we're here. Alec Pierce
0:10is on the pup list. Chris Rodriguez is probably not on the pup list. Tucker Craft is on the physically unable to
0:17perform list. Well, Malik Neighbors is not on the physically unable to perform list. We are in a baseball mania draft, drafting out of the seven hole. And uh
0:27I've brought my biggest hater, Mr. Buck St. Thomas the Walrus onto the program.
0:32Uh my guy Derek Brown from Fantasy Pros is going to be on with us next. Buck, how are you doing this morning?
0:39>> I'm doing great, man. We're we're pretty good. Uh we had a little snafu. Had to jump the car this morning. Left the
0:45light on, but you know, we're here.
0:46We're okay.
0:48>> Been there. Uh all right, man.
0:50>> We are We are drafting out of the seven slot in this draft. Are you happy to take St. Brown? Do you want to take
0:58Jonathan Taylor? Generally speaking, what do you do at the seven slot in the draft?
1:03>> If I can get him on RAW, I get him because he tends to be pulled up a little bit in the draft set. It seems
1:10like when I happen to get those spots, I'm probably lighter than I want to be on St. Brown because every year I do a
1:17soft fade and he just like owns me and I don't want that to happen again, you know?
1:22>> Yeah, I am also a little bit lighter than intended. only $469 invested in Aman Raw St. Brown right now.
1:30>> There's just so many ways that you could see it go elsewhere over there. You know, >> there's something there's something
1:37about St. Brown and I don't really know what it is, but it's just kind of like a vibes based. Wow. All right. Well, we're
1:42going to get McCaffrey.
1:43>> Yeah, we are.
1:44>> Um there there's just I don't know what it is, but it's just kind of this deal about St. Brown where he doesn't feel as
1:50dominant >> as Lamb >> or JSN or Puka or Chase or Jefferson. By the way, I gotta say, I know, look, I'm
1:59all Well, actually, I'm not all for it.
2:00I I think taking Chase ahead of Bejon or Gibbs is if you're going to be doing I mean, if you're going to do 10 drafts,
2:06you know, whatever, do whatever you want. But if you are are portfolio drafting >> Chase over Bejian, I I just have a I
2:14have a real hard time for it. Mostly because the picks at 23 and 26 or 24 25 22 27 are generally speaking the wide
2:23receiver picks there are better.
2:25>> Yes.
2:26>> And then you're just kind of typ casting yourself into a zero wide or a zero running back start which >> I'm I'm not as like heavy heavy running
2:35back pill kind of as the rest of the field is right now.
2:38>> Yeah.
2:39>> But I it's real hard for me to be like I'm taking my first running back in round four, >> dude. Yeah. I mean, you're shooting
2:46yourself in the foot if you pull up Chase. Chase falls. Chase you can get Chase at four, you can get Chase at
2:50five. You I've even seen him go at six.
2:53You know, he's he's pretty volatile. And like you just said, when you come back around there at the at the turn, you're
2:58looking at like Bree or Bust kind of for me. So, like if you're voluntarily giving up an early draft slot running
3:06back share, I think that is shooting yourself in the foot. I would say right now the biggest thing to take advantage
3:13of as a result of training camp news is 100% just like being able to get Jeremiah love at pick 28 29. That that
3:20is far and away the number one thing thus far that I've been like all right well this is just an overreaction based
3:25on people remembering who the offensive coordinator is. Like not even not even news just people remembering who the Cardinals offensive coordinator is.
3:33>> Yeah. I mean he could fall further though is my only counter to that. like he there could I could see ways for him
3:38to fall further.
3:39>> I'm gonna keep doing it. All right.
3:40Achan or Henry or Bowers?
3:43>> H with McCaffrey.
3:45>> Um if we're having fun, we could do Bowers, but I think the smart move is Achan.
3:51>> Yeah. You know, I'm a little bit worried like everyone else is that the Dolphins are going to be bad. And they they very
3:59likely are going to be bad. Although I'm probably a little bit higher on Malik Willis than than the average Bear. And
4:06frankly, the team wasn't even any good last year. Like it's not like the Dolphins the Dolphin everyone got fired.
4:12It was it was a huge mess anyways. And just look at the game logs, dude. Just every week just like all right, 16 17 20
4:1840 20 17 18.
4:21>> Like if you um I mean he's if you have one guy on an offense like that, you want him. He's the prototypical. Like
4:27you would not build a better guy to be on a bad team than Han. It simply doesn't matter if the team is good or
4:33bad. This dude is going to eat.
4:35>> Yeah, I actually well I actually uh I looked it up and um Jamal Charles's last year playing without Alex Smith.
4:45>> The Chiefs won three games and he had 1500 yards and 10 touchdowns, which is like it's probably what Achan's going to
4:53be in that range. And then obviously he can score more touchdowns if he gets >> long plays. You know, >> I see it kind of like Bree a couple
5:00years ago except a different type of quarterback and offense, but like scam, you know, just scam with a super talented guy.
5:08>> Yeah. No, I mean I I agree with this that Tua like and his checkown tendencies was very good for Han. The
5:15the thing that I like with Malik, I mean the the thing the thing that we know, I mean, this is just barren out borne out
5:22through years and years and years of fantasy football research, which is if you have a running quarterback, >> yes, >> things just get a lot easier for the
5:29running back. So, he probably does lose some of his receiving work, but he's g he should be able to gain, you know, a
5:35little bit of equity in in the ground game, >> dude. Yeah, you cannot give Han an inch and he's going to Malik Willis will
5:42threaten and you know it's going to it's going to work.
5:44>> There we go. We have we have Buck St.
5:46Thomas fans in the chat video today, Buck. There we go.
5:50>> Thank you. I put out a video at 10 today. I'm trying to put out a video now. I'm going to try and put one out
5:54every Tuesday at 10 a.m. I drafted >> you had Kiran T lad name.
6:01>> I'm a Breeze guy. Give me Breeze. Is this value too, right? Is this value?
6:05Uh, I mean, if it is value, it's like, yeah, like two spots of ADP value. I I actually think it's it's time to start
6:13taking Malik Neighbors here.
6:15>> I'm sorry, man. Malik Neighbors is not going after Egg Bua.
6:20>> It's not happening. [laughter] >> Well, like I mean, I'm kind of not buying any positive news on Neighbors right now until I see something. That's
6:28how I feel. There's a lot of risk, inherent risk with that that coaching staff, that offensive environment. I mean, when has Matt Naggi ever messed
6:37anything up for everybody, right?
6:40>> I mean, I agree the I agree the Matt Naggi issue is very real, but Malik Neighbor I mean, we've already
6:49seen like legit wide receiver one production, wide receiver one target earning too. That's maybe to me the big difference with Neighbors versus some of
6:58these other guys. Like if Lad Makoni was in a similar situation coming back from the ACL, I wouldn't want to be jamming
7:03it. But Malik Neighbors is like I mean I expect him to have close to a 30% target share for this iteration of the Giants.
7:11>> It just feels like this could go so bad.
7:12His I mean what if his recovery is off?
7:15What if like what if there there's a like a more interesting reason they're keeping him off the pup rather than like
7:21this dude's going to be full go? Like we have not seen him run Davis. What's Have we seen anything today from from camp?
7:26What's going on with him >> on neighbors? I don't we we have not >> like that we're kind that's kind of the
7:31most important thing like on the board, right? Like what is neighbors doing?
7:35>> Uh let me see if I can get I I don't believe there is any Malik Neighbors update. Yeah. So they I think I think
7:42the Giants come into camp tomorrow. By the way, as we're as we're as we're talking about Deon Han, first blurb on
7:49Roto World is Dolphins head coach Jeff Hathley said running back Deon Hchan will be ready for start of camp tomorrow because he had that offseason shoulder
7:58>> cleanup. Yeah. So, this is obviously why he was a fourth round pick because he was limping to first base in that
8:03softball game. But, you got to remember he was cleared to play in that game by the by the medical staff.
8:09>> I mean, he was Yeah. Clearly horribly running like couldn't even bend his leg.
8:14Well, you know, I mean, he just he's taking it easy.
8:16>> Bearish thing you could have.
8:17>> He's not trying to get injured in a softball game, bro.
8:20>> I'm just not buying it. I'm not I'm not taking neighbors there. I I I know he's amazing. I just feel like even if he's
8:26ready to play, he's not he's going to be probably 75% of himself on a on a >> Wadd, you know, >> or McLaren.
8:33>> Um, let's go Waddle, right?
8:35>> Or or Jacobs.
8:37>> I wouldn't go for RB personally still. I would go Waddle here if you believe in Wadd. like any of those guys. McLaren
8:43and Waddle I probably project similarly.
8:46>> I mean I I'm a Jaylen Wadd guy.
8:49>> I know you are and I'm trying to be more open to it myself.
8:52>> Thank god.
8:53>> I know that uh >> yeah well I mean that I wouldn't have even had to wouldn't have even had to
8:58have asked you for >> for Luther Burn. I mean Wadd is ultimately it's going to be an ultimately everyone ends up feeling
9:05right about him because he's going to come out of the gate like gang busters.
9:08He's gonna have uh, you know, he's gonna have a a 28% target share. He's gonna have like 147 yard game and then he'll
9:16get nicked up and he'll get banged up and people like me will be like, you know, I just ran bad. Can't can't
9:21predict that stuff. He actually has not missed that many games in his career.
9:24And then all the people who are fading him will be saying, "Come on, man. You knew he was going to get hurt. He goes
9:29into the medical tent every single game." And so everyone, no matter what your opinion is on Jaylen Waddle, you will end up getting to say, "Come on,
9:36man. I told you so. I was right." Yeah, you are. You are right. Especially like it's it's going to suck when he has
9:42like, you know, 400 more yards than Sutton, but Sutton has more touchdowns somehow.
9:46>> I mean, that almost I was going to say that almost certainly is going to happen. All right, we got a we got a
9:51good question here. Are we sure Neighbors is amazing. Uh, to which I would say >> yes.
9:57>> Yes. Yes. I I mean the guy the guy he really is.
10:01>> If the dude was right, he'd be a mid-first round pick. 18 18 targets in his second ever game is really really
10:08some phenomenal stuff. Yeah, I'm pretty >> pretty sure pretty sure that Neighbors is is quite good. Um I mean boy are we
10:17lucky that we took Wadd because we would be tilting our faces off. I mean I think I think given the range of outcomes
10:24where Jacobs is suspended or maybe cooked. I mean he was cooked at the end of last season with that knee injury. To
10:29me he is in the same as these Henderson Judkins Bucky style guys. What do you want to do here, Buck?
10:35>> Um, I I would pull up a wide receiver here. I would pull up um any of them really. Dealer's choice. You You pick. I
10:40would pick up any wide receiver.
10:42>> Uh, we'll do Christian Watson. I think that is I mean, whatever. It's fine to do in every one of your drafts. Like, I
10:49don't think it's crazy. My opinion is that fantasy football this season is going to be decided by who scores the most points out of DeAndre Swift, David
10:59Montgomery, Bshalt Tutin, Trevan Henderson, Quinshan Judkins, and Jadarian Price. Those are those are the five most important guys in fantasy football in my mind.
11:07>> I I'm actually same round but different side than you. Every year I try to find the receivers in the fifth round that
11:12are going to that are going to way outperform and there's a couple. I think this year I feel like it's going to
11:17matter more because running back pricing is is so much more expensive now that like you're the ceiling you're trying to reach with these Tutin guys is ones
11:24that's going to be reached by people in the second round and even the third round all the time. But these fifth
11:30fourth and fifth round wide receivers, there could be some real league winners in there like you know we we find them
11:34every year. There's there's like Tate Tate could just be a league winner.
11:38>> Oh, you hear that? Jaren Price is 5050 with Han. Can't draft Jadarian Price.
11:42He's George Helani's backup. Can't draft him. Can't draft him, dude. He's splitting reps with Helani in July.
11:48Can't draft him.
11:51>> Can't Can't draft him. Can't draft him.
11:54Uh my quantitative thinks that Jacobs is in the same as Saquon and Bree. I mean, does not surprise me that my
12:01quantitative would be quite high on Josh Jacobs. Um all right, we are about to be up. I'm I'm assuming you're going to be
12:08a big Tyler Warren sloppy here. I'm I'm fine with it. I probably Except now the coaching staff says that he's almost back. But whatever. This is
12:19This is Grank. Take it or leave it. This is Grank.
12:22>> This is so far away from Grank, dude.
12:24>> Just wait. Okay, listen. I watched his his uh rookie year. I had a bet with my roommate that he would score more
12:31touchdowns than Hernandez. And I won.
12:32>> There there there is a player who is on the Rob Gronkowski career path. It's just he doesn't play for the
12:38Indianapolis Colts. it. Well, I mean, I just feel like uh they are similar players and they they move similarly.
12:44>> They are so they are so not similar players. First off, the same age. First off, they're the same age right now.
12:50>> Who?
12:51>> Tyler Warren and Brock Bowers are the same age.
12:53>> No, I'm saying Grank. Grank. Grank. I've been talking about Grank, >> brother.
12:59Tyler Warren. Very >> Tyler Warren could be Grank. Tyler Warren could be Grank.
13:02>> Closest Closest comps for Tyler Warren.
13:05Evan Ingram, Austin Sparen Jenkins, TJ Hawinson, Aaron Hernandez, Fant Leaporta Gresham. Closest comps for
13:15Brock Bowers.
13:17I mean, I think you guys already know who the closest comps for Brock Bowers are going to be after his uh you know,
13:22>> yeah, Eric Debron.
13:25>> Well, I got you got to switch it to the age 21 season because this includes the three injury games. All I'm telling you
13:30is that Tyler Warren has it in front of him to be Grank on a worse team. That's all.
13:35>> Grank Grank is >> I know Grank. I'm from here. I watched him the whole time. I love it.
13:40>> I know Grunk. I live in Rhode Island. I know Grunk. I live >> He's over here all the time.
13:46>> Yeah. [laughter] >> But yes, I mean Bowowers is Bowowers is probably going to end up having I my guess would be this is going to be the
13:55highest scoring tight end season of all time.
13:58>> I'm in on Bowers. I think I have like 16% Bowers of a sec 16% of a second round player is a real lot for me.
14:04>> Guys, Tyler Warren I just I need everyone to know Tyler Warren and Brock Bowers are the same age. These are not
14:10similar players, brother.
14:13>> Yeah, I know they're not. I don't think Tyler Warren's similar to Brock Bowers.
14:16I said he's similar to Gronk. That's all. He's similar to Gronk as a player.
14:19And Grank would not have been Grank without Brady. He would not have been Grank without Brady.
14:22>> The Tyler the Tyler Warren pick feels really really bad. So this also is not true that Tyler Warren was the Zaf. He
14:29he this is this is also not true.
14:31>> I didn't say yeah I don't cosign that.
14:33>> Loveland is not Gronk. Loveland is Kelsey. Guys look at players bodies.
14:37>> What are we what are we what are we doing?
14:39>> Um QJ.
14:47>> God. Are you serious, dude?
14:49>> Yes.
14:49>> Horrible. [laughter] >> Yes. I mean that that is a terrible pick. It's not going to He's the clear wide receiver one over there. You're
14:57going to be happy you took him. You could >> That's a bad pick.
15:00>> You don't think he's going to be the wide receiver one over there? I mean, most people don't clearly QJ at 79 is so
15:06brutal, dude.
15:07>> It's true. But the whole reason that's a bad pick is because, you know, you had him at like 130 earlier in the year.
15:14>> You know, he would be a fine pick if you didn't have that context. I think >> it's just like the the role is not even
15:20that good. It's just it's just all like touchdown. I know the role is not that good >> cuz I watched him play in this
15:26configuration last year and it was >> you watch him play in Mike McDaniel's offense last year.
15:30>> Okay. What about Mike McDaniel's offense says, you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to target the guy who's got bad
15:35hands.
15:36>> Mike saying this himself. He said he looks like Julio Jones >> Davis. You got to wake up, brother.
15:44Where's Mason? Where's Mason? I was gonna say Mason Mason is he's going he's all he's all in on right now, man. It's too bad Mason had
15:53to take those cameras out from his his store. Those flock cameras not selling too hot anymore.
15:59>> I did I did enjoy the Brock Party quote on my guy stribbling about stribbling yesterday. Dude's a baller, >> dude. Y I did I did enjoy that. And And
16:10you got the combo of Pertie says he's a baller as Christian Kirk hobbles off with a calf strain the first day. I
16:16mean, who could have ever predicted who could have predicted that Christian Kirk would hilarly hilarious that Kristen Kirk strained his calf the first day. It's pretty good.
16:26>> It really It really is.
16:27>> He's the most theoretical player of all time.
16:30>> He is. Um I mean, Hubard is still here, so we are we are in legitimate. I mean, we got to take Hubard.
16:36>> Okay. All right. I mean, don't twist my arm. Yeah, >> even if this is where Hubard's ADP is ultimately going,
16:44>> which it it probably is like we we all know where this is going, which is that Hubard is going higher, higher, higher
16:51in sense like the numbers going higher and Jonathan Brooks is going lower and like they're they're going to meet.
16:57>> Mhm.
16:57>> I I just don't have it in me to pass on a guy who who was going in the 50s >> at 90.
17:05I just feel like it's, you know, it's silly. This is what happens every year.
17:09Brooks is going to get chased up and eventually you're going to get some bad news and then he'll fall again. Um I
17:14mean we haven't even really seen him run full speed. We've seen him like on a long lens. Someone's like tracking him
17:18on a long like Dvin Cook on the Jets looked like he was going 80 miles per hour in that kind of shot. We just don't
17:23we don't know yet. I would I would take safety with Hubard in round eight for sure in this RB economy. In this
17:29economy, give me Hubard.
17:33I don't even I mean like I think Hubard will probably get the first carry of this upcoming season, you know. I I mean
17:42I don't I don't know how much it's worth, but it will it will probably happen. There you go. Hubard Hubard at
17:4790, Brooks at 95.
17:49>> Maybe Brooks is better. Um Brooks was theoretically better and he tore his ACL and he fell and then he stepped on to it
17:56again. So, like how how do we assume that if even if Brooks is healthy, he's who he was two years ago, two torn ACLs
18:02ago. Like, how do we assume that? It's dumb to assume that IM O.
18:07>> Yeah. Um, all right. We are up in two picks. Worthy makes sense. Pitman Jr.
18:12makes sense. Probably would skip on Wilson for a quarterback. We have Love, Knicks, Herbert is gone, and then Daniel Jones later. All
18:21>> I like quarterback here. I do like quarterback here. Uh, Nicks Knicks pairs with them. Stafford, I think, is way underpriced in general and underproed in
18:30general.
18:30>> This is uh this is a a pretty big dipperino on worthy.
18:36>> Okay. Well, I mean, I'm not going to deprive you of your most favorite thing in the entire world.
18:41>> Well, the issue is is is Knicks will not come back. Actually, you know what?
18:45Knicks might come back to us.
18:47>> Yeah, we can we can we can take Worthy.
18:49It's fine >> because because the Sutton drafter has Lawrence and they also have Chuck set up and so there there's a chance that Nicks
18:59floats back to us. I mean it's it's light. We also have um >> Nick's also recovering from injury that will limit his mobility.
19:07>> It's true.
19:08>> Much like >> Yeah. Yeah. It's it it's I mean Nicks led the NFL in pass attempts last year which is
19:15>> he ran too and the threat of mobility helps you even when you're in the pocket when you're behind the line of
19:19scrimmage. If you're mo if you're mobile people you it's different you know.
19:23>> Yeah. Yeah.
19:25>> I do think Taekquin Thornton uh is live to just outscore Xavier Worthy this year though. Like straight up >> I would be very surprised if it happened
19:34this year because teams just generally cling so close to their priors. They just they just like, "Okay, this guy was a this guy was a first round draft pick,
19:42so I'm probably >> Well, what about when Worthy just gets hurt? When Worthy gets hurt, then Thornton with [clears throat] Ken Walker
19:48threatening is going to be open like every play.
19:51>> It's not like It's not like Thornton is that much bigger than worthy though.
19:56>> Thornton was worthy first.
19:57>> Okay, Nicks Knicks does go to the Sutton team.
19:59>> Thoron was worthy. I saw Thornton's first game in person. The guy is a peanut. Taekquin. Taekwon, you know, famously won one won one or $2 million
20:09for our our close associate one, Mr.
20:12Patrick Karin.
20:12>> He sure did.
20:13>> People People forget.
20:15>> Yep.
20:16>> Yeah. Um All right. Well, we're about >> coming back up here. What What are we doing? I feel like we could uh I don't
20:21like KD.
20:22>> We just We just got to take one of our quarter who whichever quarterback. Love.
20:26We had the stack.
20:27>> Golf. Goff. Goff. Goff.
20:29>> We did not take St. Brown. We took McAffrey.
20:32>> Oh, yeah. That's right. I mean, to be honest with you, I'm crazy. I would take naked Stafford over Jordan Love with
20:37Watson right now because Stafford is going to throw down. That's the MVP.
20:41That's the MVP.
20:42>> Not not naked for very long.
20:44>> No, no, don't. No. [laughter] >> If we if we take Stafford, we're doing if we're taking Stafford, we're doing that. So, choose.
20:54>> Don't take Stafford.
20:56>> Okay.
20:58>> I do think he's worth taking naked even if you wanted to though. And I do tack on Parkinson at the end of
21:03>> He and he and Goff have to be the worst naked quarterbacks because there's there really is no world where even if it's a
21:11good advance rate pick, there is no world you get Stafford to week 17 and you win using Stafford score.
21:17>> I disagree completely. Stafford's there's no world. How many touchdowns do you think Stafford's going to throw this this year?
21:24>> Like 28.
21:25>> Only 28? You think only 28? the MVP who has Puka and Dvonte Adams and probably Debo Samuel and Terren Ferguson is
21:34>> all right let's see what do we think what do we think my quantitative has guess >> I don't know >> uh guess
21:39>> 30.5 he definitely was not at 30 I'm going to guess 28 >> okay you tell me what did he do last
21:48year >> he had like 40 Wow 35 that is actually stunning >> I told you that is so many passing touchdowns
21:55>> I told you so this is what I'm saying he's worth to take naked because he has so many options to score touch.
22:00>> No, he he he is he is legitimately an awful awful awful selection as >> I would agree with you if he was like
22:06four rounds more expensive. I would agree with you. But he's not.
22:08>> No. No.
22:09>> This is the MVP who threw 30 however 40 touchdowns last year. He's going to what if he throws 35 touchdown?
22:14>> He's he's going to throw 35 touchdowns to guys that we do not have.
22:18>> So what other people draft terribly?
22:20Like how could you? It's it's if this is a math game then it makes sense. You know what I mean? If you can get those
22:27points there, you should take them.
22:29>> What does the chat think?
22:32>> Tell me.
22:32>> They don't They don't know, dude. They don't know they do not do not do not appeal. Do not appeal to these guys.
22:38>> No. [laughter] No. Incorrect. So, no.
22:42No. No. Good. Uh, all right. We are about to be back up. We have a 1441 build.
22:52>> Shock makes a little bit of sense.
22:53Willis makes a little bit of sense.
22:54Shahed gives us a back door. Coker gives us a back door.
22:58>> Uh we I mean this is a small dipino on Kelsey. What do you want to do?
23:03>> I Shuck is my most drafted quarterback.
23:05I would take Shock here especially after Andrews goes because Andrews is Andrews is the dude >> have 20% of both both of them.
23:16>> Why is Shuck your most drafted quarterback? I think he's going to run a lot and I I like what I saw out of him
23:22um in big moments last year down the stretch and they added Tyson um and and they added Etienne who can catch as well
23:30pretty well and they have Vle who's better than you think as well. Um I just feel like this dude I mean we saw him
23:35>> they have Bele. They have Bele.
23:37>> Yeah. You know their wide receiver three which matters. Yes. Um but Chuck is going to run. I think people forget that
23:43Chuck had that 2TD running game last year. Like it works for them and he was pushing. They didn't have a shot, but he
23:49was he was trying and and it I think it was working working enough for them to draft a wide receiver eight overall,
23:56you know.
23:58>> Are you out? You in on Chuck?
24:00>> Oh, no. I love Chuck. He's He's also one of my more drafted guys. I'm I'm >> You can't optimize for week 17, but you
24:08can set your roster up for week 17. I'm not trying to be like this specific thing like something like Liam loves to
24:14do is like this team is playing this dog defense in week 17 so I'm going to overindex on that and I'm like whatever
24:19I don't know go with God but um I prefer the highest projected options and and Stafford
24:30>> Sta Stafford no Puka no Adams is not going to sim well >> I don't know I disagree I think I think
24:38you can win in many many ways case. And also, you can [ __ ] use Stafford to get to the playoffs and he cannot hit
24:44your lineup in the playoffs. That can happen, too. Like, pieces are valuable that get you there, even if they're not hitting in 17.
24:51>> Well, I mean, it would have been fine because we could have backstacked him, but you chose not to do that option. You
24:56You pass.
24:57>> That's true. I did. I totally did. This is >> I would I would have been happy to take him there.
25:02>> It's true. I am arguing against myself.
25:04>> We have a 2441.
25:06I think we should probably just take dimes here and be done with it.
25:09>> You think so? What about Gddard?
25:13>> Uh, we already 10 touchdown. What about 10 red zone Alice Gddard?
25:17>> We are our worst position right now is is tight end >> or quarterback.
25:22>> Okay. All right. Go ahead.
25:25>> And we our next stacking option there there was not one.
25:29>> Yeah, that's fair. These are three like you're lucky if you get 23 points from one of them.
25:34>> Correct. These are these are are bad quarterbacks and worthy to me worthy over Nicks is fine. Like I I do not
25:40think Boon Knicks is that good of a quarterback and we are relatively weak at wide receiver.
25:47>> Well, it's true. Yeah, I I'm fine with taking Worthy. I do think there's a a larger chance that he's around 14 pick
25:52than around three pick next year, but you know, >> I think he probably is going to go almost exactly where he's going this
25:59year.
26:00>> Maybe. Yeah. No, especially if Kelsey's out.
26:02>> I think he will just run back. I think he he's probably going to get about 800 yards and four touchdowns and
26:10that is right about where he's being projected. He's going to go right about in the same range.
26:14>> Totally.
26:14>> That's my That's my my guess.
26:16>> It could it could it could be or he could I mean those you know training videos we saw of him with those big ass
26:22like two sizes too big shoes and that helmet for adult he was wearing the Air Forces. I don't know. I don't know what
26:27>> he was wearing. My mom's jacket from the 80s with shoulder pads in it. Like this guy. I mean, if that was real
26:35bearish.
26:36>> Yeah.
26:37>> Three quarterbacks in a row, huh? Look at us. Look at this. Look at this block of purple there.
26:42>> Look at us. Who would have thought?
26:43>> Who would have thought you would be drafting Daniel Jones? Fully cleared.
26:47>> Yeah, he's That's I mean, I just have like almost no interest in the Colts. I don't I'm not even that high on downs
26:53compared to my slappy brethren.
26:55>> Yeah. I mean, points come from everywhere. Even if even if teams are bad, you know, someone like DS can be
27:01fine. Someone like Jones who won't run could suffer if they're really bad, but with Warren, it's worth it. If Warren works, Jones works, right?
27:09>> The only reason I Let's take Jan, right?
27:11>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Stack. Stack.
27:13>> The only reason I ever take Tyler Warren is just because he's in that range with all the quarterbacks and I don't always
27:19want to take Park Barker Washington. I do I do think that um I mean Warren is just like to me not a particularly good
27:27pick.
27:28>> Oh why he's the first option on the team.
27:30>> He's the first op first passing option on the team especially with Pierce out for you know possibly the beginning of
27:36the year.
27:37>> He will lose the targets per out run battle to Josh DS for sure.
27:40>> No he won't. He's going to be wide open all the time because they're going to be doing play action and that's what he
27:44eats on. That's like what I mean I like DS. I like DS too but Warren is going to be the first option in that passing
27:50game. Yeah.
27:53Um, okay. Well, this is our team. Jordan Love, Tyler Shock, Daniel Jones, Christian McCaffrey, Devin A Chain, Bree Salt, Chuba Hubard, Jaylen Wadd,
28:02Christian Watson, Big Q, Xavier Worthy, Tyler Warren, and Jawan Johnson.
28:08>> I like it. If we if we're winning flex with running back, our quarterback room's okay.
28:13>> You know, that's that's how I feel.
28:15>> I don't I don't know how much flexing we are going to be winning. I mean, >> with our running backs, we took three
28:21stars.
28:21>> We took it. We better be, >> you know, one of them is going to be bad every week, right? I mean, that's just a
28:27normal distribution. One of them is going to be bad. So, it's it's really actually relying on on Mr. Hubard quite a bit,
28:33>> right? The combo of Bree and Hubard ping pong.
28:35>> We are up. What do you think about taking Stribbling about Stribbling or Chimera? Or Chimera.
28:42>> Oh. Uh, don't threaten me with a good time. We should take >> Let's Let's see if Chimera comes back.
28:47We should take dribbling because we need some help.
28:50>> Our I was going to say our wide receivers suck. Yeah.
28:52>> Yeah. [laughter] >> Many many such cases.
28:57>> Honestly, that's kind of like the MO this year. This is that's like the move this year is like if your wide receivers
29:02don't suck, your team sucks. [snorts] >> Yeah. Yeah, you're probably right. I And I honestly I I'm I'm really trying to
29:10not be too influenced by training camp things that are happening early on. Like I think you're you're going to be like a
29:16dog chasing your own tail.
29:17>> Totally.
29:18>> Trying to follow every training camp thing that happens. But the one like the thing that needed to happen for Stribbling was for Kirk to be injured in
29:26training camp. Not even just for week one, but just so he's working with the first team and that the coaching staff
29:33sees him out there with Evans, with Pieraw.
29:36>> Yeah.
29:36>> With McAffrey. And And it literally happened the first day. the first day, the first day.
29:44>> Yeah. I like I when I didn't want to be in on dribbling, but there's there's simply no like they just got Jawan
29:49Jennings but younger and and better.
29:51Like they just got he's Jawan Jennings but better. Just that's fine. Take him there.
29:57>> I mean, even if he's not Jawan Jennings, like even if he's not Jawan Jennings but better and he's just Jawan Jennings the
30:05sequel, I I think this is an appropriate price point. He went after >> Yeah.
30:08>> He went after Jaylen Naylor. He went after Trey Tucker. He went after a rookie wide receiver, two rookie wide receivers on the Cleveland Browns.
30:16>> That is crazy.
30:17>> One of one of those ADPs, Boston or Conpsion, is we're going to look back on the end of the year and we're going to
30:23be like, three Browns wide receivers got drafted in every draft. Huh.
30:26>> It's pretty unhinged. It's not like us.
30:29>> Yeah, >> it's not like us.
30:31>> Like right now here. All right, this is this will be good. I'm going to check our quantitative. So our quant has
30:37Denzel Boston for 132 PPR points. I mean, >> what does he have KC?
30:45>> Well, he's got he's got them all compressed. He has Conpion for 162, Judy for 138, and Boston for 132. My guess is
30:53>> Judy Boston, KC.
30:55>> I was going to say my my guess is is that there's not going to be a normal distribution there. One of them is going
31:00to have to go way lower.
31:01>> Judy's going to be so annoying, dude.
31:02Just take him cuz he's >> Judy. Judy is the one I take the most of.
31:06>> Yeah, he's going to be so >> All right, we are up. I would take Gunnar Helm.
31:12>> The jester gooner.
31:13>> Dude, he's so good. The jester.
31:17>> Helm. Helm is is >> the Oklahoma Gooner.
31:20>> I was going to say he's he is uh he is close. I think he's my second most drafted guy um at this point at the
31:28tight end.
31:29>> Sometimes it's obvious, Davis. Sometimes it's obvious with >> Helm. Helm is even more obvious than Ferguson. Ferguson is is so obvious to
31:37anyone with eyes to see, but Helm is even more obvious.
31:42>> Yes. I'll just say yes.
31:44>> Helm Helm is the most obvious Gary Barnage season of all time.
31:48>> Dude, there's Gary Barnage. Like, if Helm didn't have that foot thing and post that picture, like he probably would have gone a lot earlier. And I
31:56mean, if he didn't have the foot issue, he probably would have done a lot better last year. He's just like, sometimes,
32:01you know, the dude's name is Gunnar Helm. He looks great. Draft him. Yeah.
32:06Um, all right. Well, there you go. So, now we have our three tight ends. We have our three quarterbacks. We need one more
32:12running back and two more wide receivers. There are there's at least two more wide receivers on the board that I don't mind clicking. We're okay.
32:24>> Devon Vele.
32:26>> Vele is is legitimately uncclickable.
32:29>> Have you considered that they're both 6'5 and old? He's going to get he's going to get his chain snatched by Bryce
32:34Lance.
32:35>> Dude, he's just Chuck is going to throw it up higher than the other guy can get it. And and he's Vle is is like Jennings
32:41but a little bit stronger and taller.
32:43>> Yeah. What do you want to do with this pick? What would you be thinking?
32:47>> Show me the board. I mean, uh, show me the selection here. Um, I actually am in on Branch. I'm in on Branch.
32:53>> I like I like Branch and Bernard. Yeah, I'm more in on Branch just because of the the vac the vacuum left the the
33:00vacant hole left of targets over there.
33:03He can just go get in there, take them all. He's quick if he can get over.
33:07>> Do you want to take Do you want to take Branch or Jeremy?
33:10>> Branch.
33:12A lot of ways I can go wrong. London's always going down. Well, there was there was a new there was a new report this
33:18morning that the Falcons are quietly one of the Diggs teams, which makes sense the entire time. Diggs would be very bad
33:28for Zachariah Branch.
33:29>> Well, what if Branch is just better than Diggs right now, though? He could be.
33:32>> I think I think regardless, Branch has a clear role like he's kind of the Micole Hardman style style guy, you know?
33:44>> Maybe. I mean like how how small is he exactly?
33:47>> Is he like 180? Is he like 180 or something?
33:49>> Smaller. Smaller.
33:50>> Smaller than 180.
33:52>> Somebody fact check this man. Is that true?
33:54>> There's no way.
33:55>> Zachariah Branch.
33:56>> There's no way.
33:59>> Combine.
34:00>> No way. Is less than like Devonte Smith?
34:03>> Yeah. Yeah. He Oh, 177. 5'8 though. 5'8 177.
34:09>> I mean, this is your archetype that you've traditionally liked. I was going to say like Zachary Branch is one of my
34:15most wrapped guys.
34:16>> The when I over overlapped when the ven diagram of of what I like and what you guys liked overlapped is when the role
34:22is just up for grabs. When the it's obvious that this dude like is gonna he's going to have to [ __ ] up to not be
34:28on the field. That's how I feel about Branch.
34:31>> Uh I think we should take Kron here.
34:35>> Um you're welcome to. I've never taken him. I think he's a terrible pick, but that's fine. I I think Mike Washington
34:41is an infinitely better. Tell me why.
34:42Tell me why he's a bad pick.
34:44>> What round did he get drafted in? Like the sixth round in in an ambiguous >> Give me a running back. Give me a
34:49running back >> Washington. Washington. Mike Washington.
34:53>> The issue is is with this team I actually think we need a guy who's going to play. I don't think we need
34:58>> Come on.
35:01>> All right.
35:01>> Or Kalon.
35:02>> Yeah. No. No. So I So there's a weird There's a weird thing going on with the 49ers right now. They open training camp
35:12yesterday.
35:12>> Mhm.
35:13>> Jordan James is the running back too.
35:14Playing with the twos, >> gets hurt, limps off, doesn't come back to practice. So, so we literally we we literally we literally get the report
35:25>> that >> we literally get the report. We know who the running back two is. He immediately limps off and is going with the is going
35:32to the trainers. I mean, that is to me that is that is the classic classic training camp stuff. I mean, you just
35:39you don't get you don't get better than that.
35:41>> Chef's kiss, you know. It's it's it's you know that the only difference the only thing that could have been better
35:47is if it was the same tweet.
35:49>> Yeah.
35:49>> You know, >> um I mean we are we are just hoping that one of these guys behind us does not
35:54select Calvin Ridley, but you never know. [snorts] >> Mike Washington, why are you not in on the running back too for
36:02>> No, I'm fine. I'm fine with Mike Washington, but on this build where we have Hubard who could go to zero pretty
36:10quickly, >> we need a player who is going to be like generating touches in in week one.
36:18>> Well, why do you think Katron is? Cuz you're assuming White is going to be a passing down back and that he's might be
36:23better than JC.
36:23>> We we got to take Ridley here, right?
36:25>> Oh, I don't take Ridley, but we'll do what you want. I don't take him.
36:29Um, the reason why you would take Kron is Katron can just he could just be the week one starting running back for the
36:35commies the same way that JCM was.
36:37>> Yeah, but dude that's pattern matching in the worst possible way I think. Like what?
36:41>> I don't I mean I JCM is one of my most drafted guys, but it like that is in the range of outcomes for the Washington
36:48Commanders.
36:48>> Yeah, but you're taking him I mean I get that at the end of the draft the the capital doesn't matter too much, but I
36:53think it's really thin that like I mean he might not even make the team. He's gonna make he's going to make the team.
36:59It's going to be they're gonna they're gonna do um they're going to do Robert Henry. They're going to do Robert Henry
37:05Jr.
37:06>> What's the upside squad guy?
37:08>> Is he upside the the upside is that he is Chris Rodriguez from last year.
37:14>> I mean he's old too, right? He's 23.
37:17>> Katron.
37:18>> Yeah. Well, I mean I guess he could be Chris Rodriguez and that would be a win.
37:21But um >> that would be a that would be a huge win for a 17th round pick. Videl Videll was fine though. I think Videl is a better
37:27Yeah, I get I get the I get the case.
37:29It's a thing. It's like why I didn't take Taj Brooks. It's why I didn't take Jarres Hunter. Like I I get it. But like
37:33there they are thinner bets than than I think you guys know or at least you guys acknowledge. I feel like it's who
37:39>> Sure. Anybody who's taken Kron Allen like and thinks it's it's like a coin flip that he gets a roll or something
37:45like that. It's I think it's less like I think it's probably more like 10 to 15% that that dude gets what you want.
37:50>> Maybe even less. Maybe like 5 to 10%.
37:53>> Napkin math.
37:56I think it's higher than 5%. I think it is it's between like five and 25% that Katron Allen gets a rush week one.
38:08>> Well, that's a different bet. And I would say that that's true. I would agree with you actually there. That >> then he's probably a he's probably a
38:14pretty good pick given how shaky the other backs are there.
38:17>> Why did he What round did he go in? What round did he get drafted in? That m It does matter.
38:21>> The the fifth round.
38:22>> Okay. Well, it's it's not great. I just I want everyone to know that Chuba Hubard went to zero last year. I just I
38:29I I I love I love all you guys.
38:31>> The chat is chirping that Chuba was hurt last year. I cannot >> Chuba Chuba Chuba went to zero last year. We we we did Chuba Hubard got his
38:40chain snatched.
38:41>> It was embarrassing. As someone who drafted Chuba a bunch last year, it was pretty embarrassing.
38:46>> Guys, I love you, but he went he went 17 rushes, 10 rushes, 000 7.5 9.4 4 1.7 2.5
38:553.8 8.3 20 I do not remember this game at all. Uh that was the game they won.
39:02That was the overtime game. That was the game they won.
39:05>> 4.8 4.4 2.8 3.7. Loved you guys. Have a lot of respect for you guys.
39:11>> He He went to zero. Bro, he hurt his calf. He He hurt it that >> dude. Dude, [clears throat] he hurt his
39:18calf. He He was hurt. He was hurt.
39:21>> His feelings were hurt, Jake. That's the only thing that was hurt. Just his feelings.
39:25>> Not his calf. His feelings don't are not in his calf.
39:28>> I [snorts] I love I love and respect all of you, but this is this is really really bad. This is very very bad
39:34analysis.
39:35>> It's Yeah, it's true. Someone is taking you, but we just took him on the team.
39:38>> We just took him on the team. But I I need you I need you guys I need you guys to be serious. He did. Now, to be fair,
39:45he took his chain back in the postseason. The issue is back. It was given back to him. It was returned to
39:49him. The I was going to say the issue is is that his chain might have been snatched by a guy who has no knees,
39:55right? [laughter] It's uh it's it's an issue.
39:58>> Yeah. The most Yeah, literally a theoretical player.
40:01>> Uh all right. Well, how did we do?
40:04Jordan Love, Tyler Shock, Daniel Jones, CMC, Achan Bree, Chuba, Kamani Videll, Jaylen Wadd, Christian Watson, QJ Worthy, Stribbling, Zachariah Branch,
40:15Ridley, Tyler Warren, Jawan Johnson, Gunner Helm.
40:19>> I think it's a strong team.
40:21>> B+ advancement, B+ ADP, B minus uniqueness. Seems seems fine.
40:26>> Seems pretty good. Yeah, I mean I I think it's a strong team. I tend to build balance. Um like even if I start a
40:32little bit extreme, I try to like catch up and build balanced because you know the crowd isn't always the wisest, but
40:39they kind of know they kind of do know where the p points are going to come from. So I just >> I will I will take any player who is not
40:46currently injured 10 spots after ADP.
40:48>> I will take I will take DJ Moore 10 spots after ADP. I will take Baker M. I will take any player 10 spots after ADP.
40:57whatever whatever opinions I have are so weakly held that that I mean this is basically like the I think that something that people don't like about
41:07baseball is it doesn't particularly reward player takes like who's the guy I always forget his name FFB something >> Wizard FB Wizard
41:17>> he he has advanced the most teams of all time and I believe never had a finals team >> yeah because it was he's so heavy on
41:25Chimera and Henry last I remember >> it just it but the point is the point is is that it doesn't matter,
41:30>> right?
41:31>> You you you basically the way that you get good at best is just trying to build a bunch of like ADP like CLV teams.
41:40>> Yeah.
41:40>> Both real time and closing line that are correlated.
41:44>> Yeah. And I think that like your fades are more important than your stands. If you if you fade, even soft fades, even mild fades, like just
41:52like having under the field on the right guys in the earlier rounds is more important than I think hitting a lot on
41:58like the later guys because that's I know that's probably not a popular opinion, but that's it's worked out as at least as as far as advancing.
42:06>> See, I would say this is basically the dumbest thing imaginable. Like, no. What matters most what? Like, I don't know.
42:12>> What matters the most is getting yourself as many shots on goal as possible and putting yourself in the position to be to take advantage of
42:18luck.
42:19>> Like, you need to put yourself in the position to take advantage of luck and it's going to take years and years and
42:23years.
42:24>> It's just going to take years because you can't determine when the luck comes, you know?
42:28>> Yeah. I mean, I I would just say most people are probably bad, but it's obuscated by the fact that it's
42:36a game with a ton of variance. like you would need >> you would just need so many different slates >> to play out to have idea.
42:47>> You're totally right because um like your player take people come into this from uh Dynasty and from reddraft where player takes matter a lot because you
42:55only have a handful of teams usually and then you come into this and you're like well this is how I draft um and then you
43:00end up with like 30% Rashad Penny and that doesn't work out. So then you try then you try and think about having a
43:07little bit of hubris while still presenting as as though you're confident and drafting like you're confident. But I mean you really need to just be open
43:14at taking everybody.
43:16>> So we're going to do a Badge Bros Brawl before my guy Derek Brown from Fantasy Pros pops on. I would say like two
43:22things you need to know strategically in the Badge Bros Brawl is you got to take three quarterbacks, you got to take
43:29three tight ends because you are going to need giga spikes at those positions every single week to be the advancing team in your pod. And actually the thing
43:39is is the ADP is a little bit weird and you can scroll and you can do some weird stuff, but most people are probably
43:49going to scroll a little bit too much is is kind of how it works.
43:54>> Yes. Um this is my first Badge Bros Brawl, so I'm I'm going in kind of blind as to how to approach this thing.
44:01>> All right. Well, it's a regular baseball draft, but instead of 12 teams, there are six teams.
44:06>> Okay.
44:07All right. So, 18 rounds and you just have everybody stacked.
44:11>> You stacking obviously is is super important. Um same same roster construction, same same scoring, you know, that's uh it's how it works.
44:19>> I would assume like overstacking might be the play.
44:23That could be interesting.
44:24>> The thing is the thing is is you need big ceiling winks.
44:28>> Overstacking the right teams, I guess.
44:30Yeah.
44:30>> Yeah.
44:31>> Or the undervalued teams, >> let me tell you. So, a big thing that I've noticed, we're gonna start with JSN.
44:38>> Sure.
44:40>> What you what you really really need is you actually need the giga mega ceilings at wide receiver. I mean, obviously
44:48Bejon and CMC and James Cook and all these guys are going to be really good, >> but you know, >> and we're going to take St. Brown as
44:56well.
44:56>> All right.
44:58So, I I kind of just I kind of just uh had this epiphany this morning, which is that when we get to when we get to week
45:0510, JSN and St. Brown are still going to project insanely well. No one else is going to be like these six wide
45:13receivers who just went Chase Puka, JSN, St. Brown, Lamb, and Jefferson >> are in their own quadrant, their own group of projection
45:23at wide receiver. Maybe you could argue for AJ Brown in London. I would disagree with you.
45:29>> Um >> I tend to agree. I think an immediate gal brain that I have is like take ADP followers at wide receiver and running
45:35back for the first like four or five rounds and then stack teams that everybody thinks are >> The issue is and we already got sused
45:42out by this one, which is that Bowers and McBride are the two most important men alive in this contest. They're they're super important. [snorts]
45:49>> Well, not in this universe.
45:51>> Which running back do you want to take here? Well, let's take KW3. Let's take Kenny.
45:58>> Fine. Fine with that.
46:01And then we can ship uh >> I have a hard time with Hampton. I have a hard I don't know about the Brawl, but
46:06I have a hard time with Hampton.
46:08>> Well, we can take Coulson Lovelin with our next pick.
46:10>> Oh, yes, we can.
46:11>> We can take We can take uh our our generations. I I think the the one thing that people have not quite grasped about
46:18this format is how important the these these tight ends I I would even include Loveland in there. I I mean obviously he's a different category of
46:29projection, but I I actually the the day the contest opened, I just fired um like five of these off real quick and I
46:38took Bowowers and McBride both like I took both of them. Um, and I think they they've patched that a little bit. It's
46:44harder to get because people understand the contest a little bit more, but right, it's it it's the biggest edge in the contest. I think
46:51>> I can totally see that. Um, I mean, you can convince me of anything, especially >> you're not having to do the cl I mean,
46:59this is the classic problem in fantasy football. Uh, name name someone you want to take here. Anyone anyone you want.
47:05>> Um, give me give me Devont. Give me Devont Smith.
47:12So the, you know, the classic thing in fantasy football is, yeah, it's so it's so nice to have Brock Bowers's points,
47:18but that means I'm starting Jaylen Warren at running back, too. That that problem doesn't exist uh in this format.
47:24I'm going to take Javvante Williams.
47:26>> O, I Dude, you Breeze Hall is going to is going to be the key this year.
47:32>> Bree Hall is going to be the key. He's going to be >> he's in that he's in that spot where
47:36where he's going to do in my opinion is going to matter a lot. He's in the Saquon and the JT spot. It's going to be
47:42him. People left him for dead. They're disappointed. He's super talented. He's got the opportunity. He just got paid. I mean,
47:50>> I think that that Bree Hall is kind of a he's like a pretty good baseball pick because he's just going to kind of grind
47:59out a bunch of 14 15 point games. But it's hard to see to me it's hard to see the maximum ceiling for a team that is
48:08going to be bottom third in the league in total touchdowns of just a lot of Bree cannot give up any highv value
48:14touches to Isaiah Davis or Brilen Allen if he's going to be the guy that matters that much.
48:19>> Ideally you don't want him to. Yeah. Um but I mean he's gonna get a lot of work through the air as well I think. And he
48:26breaks them. He we've seen him break them. We know he can break them. Dude, I think Breece is a top is probably like
48:30the fifth most talented running back in the league for sure. Bree is that good.
48:36>> Who do you want to take?
48:37>> Um, I don't know [snorts] about the strategy here. Should we take another running back? Feels like it.
48:42>> Yeah, I think we should.
48:43>> Jacobs then.
48:45>> Yeah, I I like in this format, Jacobs, Neighbors, some of the just some of the the general >> questionable guys. Uh, they released
48:54this contest I think last Thursday, I want to say.
48:58>> Yeah. Um, >> we're up again.
49:00>> Let's also let's nab uh let's nab Caleb.
49:04>> Yes.
49:05>> You you I like again the value over replacement formula changes and finishing quarterback it it it sounds
49:16backwards but finishing quarterback three in this format actually matters more than finishing quarterback three in a 12man based on the way I've thought
49:25through it now. I mean, maybe sacrilegious and Shady will do a bunch of math. They'll say, "Actually, you should be taking Jackson Dart. You
49:31shouldn't be taking you need to you need more you need more projectable points, but you if you particularly, I think, want to have the spike week rushing
49:39quarterbacks." Um, >> do you think that you could get weird with this one? And so, is what is it two of six advance at first or one from the
49:48off?
49:49>> Uh, one.
49:50>> Okay.
49:52If you did like uh four QB and made three shitty, >> you wouldn't you would not want to do >> if you did like Gino Jacobe and Deshun
50:01Watson, >> you would not want to do four because you the the flex scores are going to be so high in this format.
50:09>> Well, maybe we hold off on the other two quarterbacks unless you already have two. Do you have >> That's fine. I took I took Rome for us
50:15there because we're going to do a little little double.
50:17>> I I'm in on Rome, unfortunately. didn't want to be, but my hands are tied.
50:22>> I'm I'm I'm lower than the market on Rome for sure.
50:28>> We need to save quarterback. Don't take quarterback here.
50:32>> All right, >> save it. Let's try and like try and get Gino and Brassette later.
50:38>> We We're not taking Jacobe Brassette in this format.
50:41>> Why?
50:43>> He's not He's a bad pick.
50:45>> Why? Tell me why.
50:47>> Just not just doesn't project for enough raw points. He would have to be so lowowned in the overall contest. And I I
50:54my guess is >> is he going undrafted?
50:57>> Yeah.
50:58>> Like easily undrafted. You should Oh, you should definitely take him. He's going to What do you mean he project?
51:02How what do you think he's going to project for?
51:04>> So three So three times six is 18. So 18 quarterbacks get drafted and 18 tight ends.
51:11>> Okay. All right. Yeah. How many how many times is Jacobe Brassette going to be one of the best 18 quarterbacks versus
51:18how many times is he drafted?
51:20>> Okay. Well, I guess that's true. If if when's the cut off for when quarterbacks stop getting drafted? Who Who's like the
51:26last quarterbacks with an ADP in this?
51:29>> Uh well, quarterback 18 would be Jordan Love.
51:33>> All right. My idea is out the window.
51:36It's gone.
51:38>> Yeah, I know.
51:40>> I do do that a lot. I've been drafting a lot of those guys in in regular basketball mania.
51:46>> Um, we could do now Goff. There's a guy who go, you know, Goff will not be 100% drafted. Let's do that. So, we have Goff
51:53St. Brown.
51:54>> Okay.
51:54>> Um, >> and what about I mean, do you want to take Dak too with Javvante?
52:00>> Uh, probably not because I don't love taking person. We can take You know what, Buck? I'm gonna give I'm gonna
52:06give one to you here.
52:07>> You gonna give me Tucker Craft?
52:08>> I'm gonna give you Tucker Craft. Oh yeah, my man. Go ahead. Start on pup, baby. That's okay. I knew it. I knew
52:15you'd be there.
52:16>> Do you think he will be I I don't know.
52:19I I hope he will.
52:22>> Tucker Craft is going to be I mean Tucker Craft is if he is who he has been uh with Dobs leaving. Dos leaving is big
52:29for Craft. I think the type of targets that he would get.
52:31>> Dobs leaving is is big for my guy Matthew Golden. Wow. Here we go. Fire hose. [clears throat] Arman quote walked
52:38off practice field then skipped his scheduled media appearance.
52:43>> Oh [ __ ] that's crazy.
52:46>> We could I was gonna say we could we could probably get We could probably steam >> That's crazy. We could we could stream
52:56him to We could uh stream We could steam him to the two three turn.
53:01>> I was just going to say he could go to the two three turn if something's wrong with Raandre.
53:06Who knows though? Maybe I mean if he walked off then what could it be? Did he get mad? He's not the kind of guy to get
53:11mad. I mean maybe he is. I don't know him personally I suppose.
53:17>> Marijuana suspension at the University of Oklahoma Stevenson.
53:21>> That's a that's my guy right there. Good for him.
53:23>> Yeah, >> brothers in arms.
53:26>> Uh I mean we could even >> Pitts.
53:31>> We could I was going to say we could we could even do another tight end. I think price price to me is the last of like
53:37the the actually the premium tier of >> run. And we have JSN too. It's a nice little interesting stack with JSN. This
53:44is a fun format. This is fun. This could this could be a fun thing to do. I just I feel like I would completely get
53:50distracted from my normal routine.
53:53>> All right, here we go. Derek just sent this to me. Running back Andre Stevenson also walked off the field at the very
53:59end of practice. M >> big day for Kahan Booty, Eli Rarden, and Hunter Henry.
54:05>> I mean, I did not expect the level of steam on the booty. The booty clapping will not stop. Big booty. Big booty is
54:12everywhere.
54:13>> Do you think Do you think it's just Do you do Do you believe that it is just completely coordinated to try and up his
54:19trade value?
54:20>> I mean, I I think you're just looking at a guy who has a connection with May and and Brown and Dobs are building it.
54:26That's all. I think I think Booty's better than you guys do and now he's going to have no [ __ ] pressure on
54:31him.
54:32>> No one's gonna cover that guy anymore.
54:34>> They're astroturfing to try and get a third round pick for him is what's happening.
54:38>> I mean, if that's the case, then he wants it, too, because he's laying out for these catches. So, if that's the
54:43case, then he wants it, too.
54:44>> Is is is Herbert being engaged to a pop star uh bullish or >> It's about the most bearish possible thing that could happen. You're lucky
54:53Holmes married a normal person. Yeah, you I need I need my quarterback beyond locked in. I need my I need my
55:00quarterback 10 out of 10 locked in.
55:03>> Like just watch Travis Kelce and see how terrible he's going to be this year because he's distracted because he he
55:07knows he's married to a billionaire and doesn't have to be doing it.
55:10>> All right. I love Malik Willis for this format where I'm like, man, although let's just take love. We have the we
55:18have the two Packers. So my my my thinking for liking Malik Willis is the spike weeks, but actually the rushing stuff is much more of a floor giver than
55:29a ceiling giver when you don't have the associated passing stuff. And we're >> the passing stuff is not going to be
55:35there for Malik Willis. It's really not >> it. It can't possibly be unless unless they're just trying they picked him to
55:41do something else other than what he does.
55:43>> Give me Give me a wide receiver buck.
55:45Um, take how many time we got? 16 seconds. Scroll up to the top.
55:53Take Reed. Take Reed.
55:56>> All in. All in on the Green Bay Packers.
55:58Yeah, he's >> fine. This is actually kind of what I was thinking like overstack a team that goes mid to later that we might be
56:06underelling.
56:08>> You know, >> my guy my my flock league comrade Zufa here. Only ring Herbert is going to get.
56:14They're saying it. They're saying it more and more. I'm hearing it.
56:17>> That is kind of brutal to be honest with you.
56:20>> All right, Buck. I'm about to send you on your way. What would you like to tell the >> um go check out my YouTube channel, Buck
56:26St. Thomas, Buck St. Thomas Fantasy Football. I'm doing um fun videos.
56:30They're edited edited drafts and um I do a review of the team with my mother-in-law who I've been playing fantasy with for like 10 years. She
56:37plays DFS Showdown and she's better than me.
56:40>> It's a good of of all hooks that could exist for a baseball channel. It's like a little, you know, there's a little
56:45wholesome element. Even though, you know, we're, you know, we're not exactly talking about the most wholesome thing, it's it's it's fun. I hope you go check
56:51it out. I hope you subscribe. And um I'm planning on continuing to make videos with her throughout the year.
56:58>> I love that. I love that for you. And now you can give me one final wide receiver.
57:03>> Godwin. Godwin for the win.
57:06>> Chris Godwin is who Buck wants to select. Just a dusty, dusty old man.
57:11There you go. Caleb Williams. Jared Goff, Jordan Love, Ken Walker, Javvante Williams, Josh Jacobs, Tutin Price, JSN, St. Brown, Devont, Roma,
57:21Dunce, Ricky Persol, Jaden Reed, Chris Godwin, Coulson Lovelin, Tucker Craft, and Kenyan Sadique Buck. Thank you very much for your time, brother.
57:29>> Thanks, Davis.
57:31>> All right, welcoming in my guy Derek Brown, Dbro FF from Fantasy Pros, my my man. Thank you very much for hopping on
57:40with me, brother. Davis, you got me. You can hear me. Okay. I'm I'm having to reassemble the the setup after traveling
57:46to the damn expo. So, you know, this is all hot mics right here. So, >> we're good. You're locked in. Your audio
57:52is great. We're going to draft a baseball mania team. You're kind enough to give me a little bit. Man, I should
57:57have worn >> Are you shotgun approaching this today?
57:59Like, are you just rattling off draft after draft today?
58:02>> Oh, that's what we do, brother. That's what we do. Let me tell you, you know, in in in uh in our neck of the woods,
58:09you can lose people. You can lose people quickly, brother. So, you got to like, you know, their their attention attention spans are are like this out
58:16here. So, we are >> Are you up to like 2K drafts right now?
58:19Where are you at right now? Cuz I know the volume's got to be massive.
58:23>> Uh, as of right now, my most recent update, 1,510 uh imported imported drafts. Now, now that does not include um drafters.
58:34>> So, we don't have that on our back end yet. So, I I I'm probably closer to 1750. So, we are we are approaching the
58:42uh the 2,000 mark. What's uh what is draft volume like over in your neck of the woods right now?
58:47>> I started slow this year. I'm probably somewhere around the like mid 200s and stuff, but I'll be up around 500, but
58:53when it's all said and done, I'm going to slam some drafts.
58:55>> Well, that is what we call um a mentally healthy approach [laughter] to drafting fantasy football teams. I >> Dude, I've had I've had 2K years as
59:03well. I've kind of backed off a little bit with the volume over the last few years, but you know, it's it's been
59:08good. Um few top five top 10 finishes over on Drafters over the years, so we'll take that. Yeah. Uh did you see
59:15the Did you see the new tournament on Drafters that they they launched yesterday?
59:18>> Not I got to log into it. What did they drop yesterday?
59:21>> Okay, so this is this is actually I I was hoping they would do this. I was talking to them last week and they were
59:26saying they were planning it, but they launched a survivor >> style contest. So the top 75 of the field based on like a cutline score
59:35advances each week. So 25% of the field gets chopped down to a 125 person final.
59:44>> Yeah. So really looking forward really looking forward to hopping in that. And uh we have a turn pick here and you are
59:52you are uh >> hey I will I will defer to you. So I'm hoping hoping to learn hoping to get some player takes here. I mean over
59:59there at the turn, Genty, Cook, Walker, Hampton, kind of what is what is your general preference on that side of the
60:06board?
60:07>> I It kind of depends what the room is doing. Like if they're letting because I know we're also running back centric
60:12right now. I James Cook is a must for me right now. And good lord, he goes what 105 here. So apparently the room is wise
60:20to my Cook love. Um really was hoping there.
60:24>> That's probably that's probably the earliest.
60:26>> That's the highest I've seen him go.
60:27Yeah.
60:28>> Yeah.
60:29>> Yeah. Hey, sometimes sometimes it uh sometimes you're the hammer, sometimes you're the nail. Maybe maybe we'll be in a we maybe we'll be in a little bit of a
60:37of a weird room. That's okay. That's okay. All right. I mean, Jonathan Taylor is still I would I I couldn't I don't
60:45even like Jonathan Taylor, but getting Okay. Well, there you go.
60:47>> Well, there you go.
60:48>> Um All right. We are We are up. Whoever you would like to take here, sir.
60:52>> I mean, let's just double tap running backs here. Davis, what do you think about Genty and either one of Genty
60:57Hampton and Kenneth Walker? Two of those three I'm good with.
61:00>> You know what? Genty, Kenneth Walker is a start I love and it's a start that I love with my heart. I mean, hey, you
61:08>> I was going to lean into your Chiefs fandom here a little bit.
61:11>> Well, I was going to say you played the game for a while. You've been around you've been around the block. You are
61:15with me and that you remember once upon a time Andy Reid running back. Now in now in fantasy football we go, "Oh,
61:21these Chiefs running backs horrible."
61:24>> Andy Reid running back used to be the special sauce. That used to be that used to be as good as it could possibly get
61:30would be having a running back with Andy Reid.
61:33>> I used to love it, man. I mean, like I think like what you're talking about though, like with the last few years, I
61:38mean, the Clyde Edwards, Kareem Hunt issues have absolutely crushed us. But if we go back to all this, I think it
61:45also kind of goes just from all the rookie stuff, like going back to Kenneth Walker as a rookie. People don't understand how good of a pass catcher he
61:51is. Like on a per route basis, he's been top 12 in yards per route run, first downs per route run. We just haven't had
61:58the route share run out, Davis.
62:00>> No. No, we haven't.
62:02>> Who would be stealing routes for him for the Chiefs? I mean, I guess maybe there there's a chance they try and persist
62:08with D Marcato, but I this is this is my read of the situation, and maybe I'm too close to it and and I'll be wrong, but
62:16my read is that Brett Vch didn't even particularly want to go get Kenneth Walker, >> but Reed and Momes and the rest of the
62:24like the offensive line, they were like, "Dude, we are sick of this. We are sick of busting our asses and handing the
62:30ball to Kareem Hunt and our season being on the line and Bashard Smith getting big big work. Like I I I would not. So
62:37the year that Walker only played 11 games, he averaged 4.6 receptions per game.
62:42>> My instinct would be that he's pretty close to that this year.
62:48>> I agree. I agree wholeheartedly with that. I think like the best receiving back they have probably is like a tie
62:54between Emma Johnson and Bashard Smith.
62:55They did not want to play Bashard Smith at any point last year despite I mean Kareem Hunt success rate is not feeding
63:02families out here Davis. So you know I I I think like again KC has to change the model and I think they're looking at
63:09this too where they've gotten no explosives from their passing attack over multiple years. Mahomes has been struggling as a deep ball passer. So
63:17dialing up explosives on the ground with Kenneth Walker through the air on the ground I think is going to have to be
63:22something that they lean on this year especially in the homes. Like what's your read on the Mahomes? Do you think he starts week one? Because I kind of
63:28look at their schedule and I'm like I hear all the steam and I'm like maybe he starts on the pup this year and then
63:34like they got the week five buy and he's backed ready to rock for week six.
63:38>> I I think he's going to start I think he's going to start week one. I think that I >> if he if he wasn't going to start week
63:45one, I think they would have just had him stay on the pup and stay away from the team because he he's got his own
63:49he's has his own doctors like he has his own um he he actually just has a a >> facility down in Texas um where where
63:58his family is. So I think he would have just stayed there. I I think he's I think he is chomping at the uh at the
64:05bit to get Wow, McBride at 33.
64:08>> We this there is some stuff happening there. All right, we are up in one pick.
64:13Kairen, Lad, Allen, ETN, Devonte, Tet.
64:17What uh what are you thinking here?
64:19>> I'm thinking [snorts] we double tap wide receiver and catch up here. I think it's Wadd and Terry McLaren for me. I'm not
64:24in on Lad this year, but I'm curious your thoughts on him.
64:28>> So, I started out pretty out on Lad.
64:34>> Mostly assuming that Keenan Allen was going to return to the Chargers.
64:37It seems like the tea leaves now are are sounding like Chargers still a possibility.
64:43>> The Colts would be a possibility. The Rams would be a possibility. Mhm.
64:47>> I don't know how good of a fit Lad is for the McDaniel stuff because like I like obviously he's the best wide
64:56receiver on the team >> and you think of Lad is like oh you know short area he's quite quick and stuff
65:02but >> Ty like the issue would be the the Mike McDaniel number one wide receiver has been a first ballot hall of famer like
65:11an alltime freak at the position >> Tyreek >> and I mean lad lad is is not that, you know, he he he is is not that. And I
65:19wonder if it'll actually be more >> kind of egalitarian, you know, like all right, L has a 23% target share, QJ has
65:26a 17%, Gadston has 15%, Kar has 10%, and Jooko has 6%. Like I I wonder if if they're actually >> because outside of Tyreek and Wadd, the
65:38Dolphins stuff, every like everyone was between like a 6% and a 12% target share on the whole team.
65:44>> Yeah. [clears throat] >> Yeah. Yeah, I mean where I'm with with Lad is um kind of a very I agree with a
65:49lot of your points there. And then the other thing about it is if they're going to run so much 12 and 13 and have
65:53multiple tight end sets, like I look at all their their tight ends, I think we're going to see like a Rams or
65:58Seattle kind of committee approach like everybody's getting a 30 to 35% route share.
66:02>> So I'm really not in on any of their tight ends. But with Vlad, as far as like in two wide receiver sets, I don't
66:09know if he's going to play in two wide receiver sets consistently. Davis. Like, could that be a rotation? That could that be QJ and Trey Harris considering
66:15the run blocking and he's a slot only guy? Like the other part about all this lad stuff is at what point of his career
66:22has he shown that he can really Okay, because if you're taking the guy as a wide receiver too, he needs to have wide
66:28receiver one upside for me or have spike week potential. And I just at what point of his career, Davis, have we seen him
66:34earn consistent wide receiver one market share as far as target share, first read, all of this stuff? It hasn't been there, man. It hasn't.
66:44>> It wasn't It wasn't in there in college.
66:46Any any of that stuff for him in college was based on per route stuff. And then >> if you look at what he did as a rookie,
66:53>> he had like good spike weeks, but you know, 24% target share is good. It's not >> great. Yeah. It's not it's not a it's
67:02it's not elite, [snorts] >> you know, >> like if he goes out there and he earns a 21% target share, >> is that really something outside of like
67:12spiking efficiency? And and again, like his size, is he going to be a p like a perimeter like a primary uh red zone
67:18guy? If he's get if he gets like a 21% target share and he gets six to seven touchdowns, is that wide receiver one
67:26worthy or are we just drafting a guy as a wide receiver two and saying, "Please, dear Lord, be a wide receiver two."
67:32>> I think the big thing that is different for him is that Well, let's make these picks here real quick. What are you What
67:37are you thinking?
67:39>> Um I'm in between. Do we go Jane Daniels at one of these picks and Parker Washington and Carninal Tate? Like
67:45trying to make up a wide receiver. Like do you want to go quarterback with one of these or do you want to double tap
67:49wide receiver?
67:50>> I think we should take Daniels because we made a pretty big bet on McLaren. So, let's do that. And then you're uh you're
67:56pew over Carnell Tate.
67:58>> I am for the upside. Like I think you can you can craft a narrative for both of those guys and then it comes back to
68:04like which offense do I want to invest in more, Tennessee or or Jacksonville?
68:08And if T law picks up right where he left off, I mean, dude, Parker Washington was there on St. Brown. Where
68:14are you at on Washington? Are you a team Washington? Are you BTJ or just agnostic?
68:19>> I am team the Jaguars probably themselves don't even really know right now. And so much of it is going to be determined by the rhythms of
68:27what happens in season. Like if Brian Thomas Jr. has a great game week one or just like is really impressive in
68:34training camp, I think Liam Cohen will acknowledge that and use that. If Brian Thomas Jr. is afraid to run over the
68:41middle, struggling with drops, struggling with focus, then I think it'll shift towards Parker Washington.
68:48Maybe Parker Washington it it was I mean he averaged 14.1 fantasy points per game over those final six weeks of the
68:55season. Now, the closest career comps to Parker Washington right now are some of the most hilarious names in fantasy football, guys who are we remember for
69:05being the most overdrafted players of all time. Gabe Davis, Russell Gage, Daenerius Moore.
69:11>> It's not to say he is the same as those guys. And the drum beat has been really consistent. Like I I would be feeling
69:18much worse about Parker Washington if it was kind of just like ah well yeah, you know, we like him. We're going to see
69:24what the role. But like the coaches and Cohen and and Lawrence have been like he looks great. The beat writers have been
69:30he looks great there there's plans to to focus on him. And I mean the biggest variable is how does the defense play?
69:37Because if the if they find like something that I've not heard anyone talk about yet is like okay well what if
69:42these random one of these random Jags defensive backs turns out to just be good like what if some I I mean god
69:49forbid I don't know the Jaguars defensive corners but if the Jags like if if the their fourth defensive back is playing awesome
69:59>> can't Travis Hunter play more on offense? Travis Hunter pretty good. Like it's just they I I think I I think I
70:05literally have between five and 10% of every Jaguars wide receiver.
70:09>> I was going to ask you, are you just going to be like 10% of every guy and and let it roll out the way it's going
70:14to roll out?
70:15>> Yeah. I mean, I I definitely want to be I want to be in on the Jags because I think Liam Cohen is such a phenomenally
70:22good >> coach. I think he's a great pass catcher. I think he's one of the guys that really gets the meta. Now, one of
70:28the things that's kind of interesting, and I I haven't heard a ton of people bring this up.
70:33>> Mhm.
70:33>> So, they take Borcature at pick 56 or whatever. Every freaking team in the NFL is like, "Yeah, we're going to run more
70:39heavy. We're run out of 12. We're going to run 13. Fullbacks are coming back."
70:44>> It gets it starts to get pretty thin.
70:46Like, if Borcature can play 40% of the snaps, which I think would be >> a really Yeah, be really high.
70:53>> But, but yeah, I mean, it's it's in play. They just they they they just took him at pick whatever 56 like they said
70:59let's shock the world and take this guy.
71:02It's uh it would be I mean that would be bad for Pwash and it would it would be really bad for Travis Hunter. It'd be it
71:09would be the worst for Travis Hunter if that happened.
71:12>> Yeah. I And see where I kind of come down on it like I I was actually pulling up the dep chart when you were kind of
71:17rattling through the corners and stuff like Dane Jackson Dane Jackson, Devon Marshall, Jiren Jones. I mean that those I think they
71:26need Hunter on defense this year. So I mean like the other thing about it is we're kind of getting close to the
71:32neighborhood of Hunter has to return high in highend value on some side of the ball or he's going to be a bust
71:38pick. If he's a top 10 top 12 quarterback in the NFL, nobody gives a like what they gave up to go draft
71:43him. If he's another year where he's not an needle mover on either side of it, I know we're about to pick here in a
71:48second. Um then you know then we have problems. Um, >> I think we got to take one of these running backs.
71:56>> I agree with you. Um, do you want to go standalone value or are we going to go high upside with like a Cororum or
72:02something? Or Jonathan Brooks? I'm in on.
72:04>> You're the boss.
72:06>> Let's take Jay Brooks and more more drum beat out of there. I know we're pulling him up the the board a good bit versus a
72:14>> and I actually I think these wide receiver tier is pretty flat. So I would say downs downs or Harvey. Um,
72:22let's go. Let's go downs. I'm fine with that.
72:26>> Yeah. I mean, Downs is gonna be >> We made our best with running backs, too. Going running back running back.
72:30So, if they're if they're not the guys, then we're screwed anyway.
72:33>> Yeah. You know, it's uh it's it's kind of funny, and I always I always appreciate this, but like there's definitely a different like a huge
72:41difference this year in my mind between fantasy football and baseball. like >> like hu like probably the most difference there's ever been in terms of
72:52how the market works. And I'm starting to transition my attention more to fantasy football. Like my home league drafts coming up, high stakes drafts are
72:59starting, all that stuff.
73:00>> And the the texture of the boards is so so different. Whereas like I probably don't have very many best teams built
73:09like this where I wouldn't have taken my third running back until >> 84. But this is like I think this is
73:15like a very standard build in a reddraft style situation. I mean, where do you come down on the crazy early running
73:22back stuff this year?
73:24>> I think it's a good year to sit here and leverage the market where it is. I mean, if you I mean, it's a great year for
73:29zero RB if you want to do it. Um, and just playing the everybody's this is kind of like last year, the year before,
73:35everybody was all in on Zer RB and that turned out to be, you know, not the thing to do. So, the entire market is
73:41shifting one way. The other thing is just reading the room. I think like building some hero teams and just kind of like playing against the market is
73:48fine with me. Um, just because again like when everybody's swimming in one direction and they're all right or they think they're right, then it's a good
73:55time to leverage it and go the opposite way. But where you come down on it, >> I think that it's almost kind of like
74:01draft spot specific. So from the right side of the board, >> that's fair. I love I love to do these like Genty Barkley Javvante wide
74:12receiver and then like really hope you get one of Tutin or Price there at the 56 turn. Like Tot and Price are two of
74:18my >> overall favorite picks >> right now. I just I think they're I think they're both great picks. Whereas I've in general the Watson, Thomas,
74:27Washington, Tyson, Tate range, I'm like I like all those guys kind of individually in a vacuum, >> but I feel similarly to them how I feel
74:36about Worthy, Reed, Addison, Downs, and Pieraw. I'm like, they're they're probably going to be between 150 and 200 points. And it'll kind of just depend uh
74:45the way in which they they generate like the weeks in which they generate their points. Um
74:52>> we are up in two picks. We have a 1 1340 build. We would have Knicks with Wadd.
75:00Kobe Meyers gives us another Jaguars wide receiver. Um Gainwell, Rashad White are there. Fannon is there. What uh what are you thinking here?
75:10>> I think Knicks with one of these considering the bet we made on a W on Wadd makes a lot of sense and then we're
75:16kind of done. Unless you want like a late QB3.
75:19um these wide receivers like I'm fine with going Meyers or Wandell. I look at them as similar bets and it really just kind
75:27of depends on do we want to play the roulette of Meyers versus Washington and just capsize, you know, I mean as far as
75:33like capture spike week potential with those guys or play also the arbitrage bet of like if BTJ misses time then this
75:40uh this passing offense gets more consolidated. So I'm fine with Myers or Wandelle.
75:45>> All right. Yeah, let's do let's do Jacobe. And this is the uh the Brian Thomas Jr. flames out situation.
75:51>> Yeah, this is the the FA BTJ team basically. Yeah.
75:55>> I mean the the Brian Thomas Jr. he has so few historical comps that make much sense at all. Like the he had such a
76:05uniquely good rookie season and then was so poor last year. It's it it's it's such a situation where
76:16I'm like something else had to have been going on. The injury reporting had to be real. The reporting that like he was
76:22having a tough time because his best friend died before the start of the season. That's got to be real because it
76:28it wasn't like uh you know the other example of a guy who was so good as a rookie and then went down was Michael
76:35Clayton who there was that was injury that was injury related stuff that was like that was like very just it's just so weird but he also is
76:44going to be typ cast into like the least productive role. He's going to have the high average depth of target of any of
76:50these wide receivers which just opens yourself up to huge variance.
76:54>> Yeah, exactly. Like I I don't look at like BTJ as being like that's what people are like I mean obviously he's
77:01their wide receiver one and I'm like is he really like he's the high A dot guy like you look at Jacobe Meyers I'm like
77:07him being a field stretcher or Washington and Meyers like now I will say to the converse of this Washington in that four game stretch where he just
77:15lit everything on fire he did have I think it was like 13 deep targets so he was getting the high cholesterol usage
77:20out of that but like you look at the roles that they're going to play in this offense like BTJ being the field stretcher, like he's probably
77:28the best prototype to do that. Those other guys are not. So, it's kind of one of those situations where he can play
77:34that role and people want to pigeon pigeon hole him into the other roles, but those other guys aren't really the high A dot guys. So, it's kind of like
77:41then BTJ is going to fill that role and that's not a high volume role. like for spike potential at certain parts of best
77:47baseball drafts where he goes like I'm fine taking that depending on the composition of my team but is that somebody I want to lean on as like my
77:54wide receiver three for a team? Not really.
77:58>> And Brian Thomas Jr. will probably be a guy as we're transitioning a little bit more to like reddraft and things like
78:04that. I I'm probably going to be a little bit less interested. Um >> yeah.
78:09>> Yeah. The J the Jags are just I mean they're they're such an interesting team because I think all of their positions
78:14are kind of unsettled, right?
78:16>> To your point, BTJ is kind of a baseball only guy for me. Like I don't I don't want to deal with the damn headache of
78:21him and manage leagues. Like I can get that type of archetype later in drafts.
78:25>> I mean I think I think honestly like all the Jaguars like a lot of it is going to be game game game plan specific weeks.
78:32Like I'm a huge tootin guy but there are going to be weeks where the team is like yeah like we're just gonna battering ram
78:37with Chris Rodriguez. like we're just we're we're going to lean on them. We're going to play heavy. We're going to play
78:42downhill and it'll be frustrating, but it just kind of it just kind of is uh it kind of is what it is. All right, we are
78:49up here in a little bit. We have Daniels, Nicks, Genty Walker, Brooks, Jaylen Wadd, Terry McLuren, Parker Washington, Josh DS, Jacobe Meyers. I
78:59think we need one of these running backs here probably at this turn to be fine with a tight end here. Um, Chig gives us
79:08a stack. What uh what are you thinking here?
79:11>> I think either going Chi or Dalton Concincaid with one of these. Like this feels like a good team to take the
79:17upside swing on Daltton Concade because like if he is a full-time player, which again I I highly doubt, but if this team
79:23building makes a lot of sense. Did he go?
79:24>> We got we got snapped. So, we can take we can take Chig with our first pick and then I think we should take one of Crod
79:32Tracy or Katon. And I'm kind of deferring to you like if you have a guy like you like here as far as running
79:37backs. Um because I can make you a case for a lot of different guys like us.
79:41This feels like a C-Rod team also. Like we've already made some Jacksonville bets.
79:45>> Yeah, I was going to say I think we I think we just go with that. And Crod it does seem like the reporting from this
79:50morning does seem like he is going to avoid the pup list. Do I think Crod is that good of a pick?
79:56>> No, I don't. Do I need to hedge a little bit? Cuz Toutton is I I think my most drafted running back right now. He's
80:02He's mine, too. I'm all in on him. So, like, this just feels like a good hedge spot.
80:07>> Yeah. And you can do that across you.
80:10You can do that across your portfolio.
80:11Honestly, it's to me it's not that painful to take Chig next to Concaid.
80:15Like, I think we all get it. Honestly, they're very similar bets. Neither of them have ever been a full Yeah. They've
80:21never been a full-time player. Chig has the the closest like this is the best opportunity of his life to be a
80:28full-time player.
80:29>> Yep. Frankly, the Bills probably need Dalton Concaid to be a full-time player for them to really ascend as an offense.
80:38And if he's healthy, he can probably do it. One of the things I I've not heard a ton of people make this point, but one
80:44of the things that having a banged up knee, it's going to be a lot harder to run block with a banged up knee, a lot
80:49harder to generate leverage, a lot hard like you're just going to be weaker, right? Your technique is going to be worse. You're not going to be as strong.
80:55So, if he is actually healthy, not only should that free him up to like run more routes, but it should free him up to I
81:01mean, it's what we saw with Kyle Pitts, right? Kyle Pitts sucks. He sucks. He sucks. Oh, he played 92% of the snaps
81:06last year. He was good for fantasy. I mean, that's all we need for a Kinc Kade.
81:10>> Yeah. I mean, literally like on a per round basis, I I think I tweeted this out about a month ago, like Kade every
81:15single damn category he's first in. Like everything. So, like >> per route run, yards per route run, all that stuff.
81:21>> First downs per route run, route win rate, like everything. like everything.
81:25So, like if he becomes a 65 70% route share guy, he smashes. But >> the question is, does he do that? And
81:31I'm like, yeah. I mean, I think like especially with this team bill we have going, I mean, this is obviously like a
81:36three tight end team. So, we're just looking at like spike weeks and the route shares don't matter because we're just kind of like making it up in the
81:42aggregate here.
81:44>> Yeah. Um, I think I think that's good. I mean, I I love a three tight end team. I think there are are like unique
81:52opportunities like this group of Schultz, Doulich, Helm, Ferguson, Frierouth. I mean, man, these these I think these guys are are all phenomenal
82:01picks, >> dude. The other guy that I like I'm sprinkling in because he's basically free and I've got I'm really in on
82:08Jaylen Herz this year is taking Eli Towers when he's free with the correlation to Herz late as well as like he's not getting drafted. It's like you
82:17have the contingent upside of Dallas goes out. What are they doing? Are they starting Calcara? Like come on. Like Elvis Sters will be a part of that team
82:24and and you're making the same kind of bet is like everybody's making with Kenyan Sadi or Gatston or anybody at this point
82:30>> for sure. Um okay, we are about to be up again at 2451.
82:36Um none of these quarterbacks really make a ton of sense. Wide receiver, running back could be okay here. I'm not huge on Stranger Henry, honestly. No,
82:44I'm not.
82:45>> What would you be thinking here?
82:46>> I'm thinking David B or Denzel Boston. I said David. Good lord.
82:50>> Yeah. Hey. Hey. I'm there.
82:52>> I think the difference between ADP and Boston and Conpsion shouldn't exist because we're making a bet of like everybody says they know who the clear
82:59Brown's number one wide receiver is.
83:01>> That bet could be wrong. I I loved Boston as a prospect, too. So, I think he's just free money where he's going.
83:07>> Uh and then I mean one of these running backs might make sense. What uh what are you thinking?
83:13Um, we did like >> Bsby or Coleman. I'm I'm >> Oh, you know what? Coleman Coleman is better. Yeah, >> making the bet with the the Denver
83:21offense. Yeah, >> I thought Boston was a fine prospect and I like slightly prefer Conpion, but you're so right that for for Conpsion to
83:30be a 10th round pick and Boston to be a 13th round pick, they're they're they pretty much project >> like backtoback with one another like
83:39like if you're if you're doing projections. Judy also could like pretty easily be a trade. Uh if the Brown if the Browns agreed to eat some of his
83:48money, I would actually assume he he maybe is even more likely >> to be traded. So I >> duty a future commander.
83:58>> Well, I >> if Digs is not there, Keenan Allen, I mean, it's it's not impossible.
84:02>> I think I'm playing it like Diggs is going to be a command. I mean, what is your what is your read on that whole
84:07situation with Diggs and Debo and Aayuk and all those guys?
84:11>> Um, I I don't think we see considering all the goofiness with Aayuk off the field this year. I don't think we see
84:16him on the field this year. So, I've kind of like faded him. Um, I did get some exposure earlier in baseball
84:21drafts. I'm fading him now. Debo, I think, is just cooked. So, I'm not even drafting him. But, Diggs I've been all
84:27in on because I think as soon as he signs Davis, where's he going? Round seven, right?
84:32>> Yeah. I've been saying I've been saying depending on the landing spot. I mean, assuming it's [clears throat] not the if
84:36it's not the Ravens, >> Diggs can get to the 80s. If it's the Ravens, it's probably more like the hundreds.
84:43>> Yeah.
84:43>> Um I mean, Debo, >> I mean, he was worse last year in in a full-time role. Like 11.5 points per
84:51game in a full-time role. But he I mean, even still, >> he's going to rise to the 120s probably when when he signs. I mean, Keenan, if
84:59if this Keenan to Colts smoke is real, he probably gets to the 140s. Like I I mean it's it's an I just don't really
85:07know what the market's doing not taking these guys.
85:09>> No, I agree with you. And I think like the same thing with um I've been mixing exposure and I'll just talk the table
85:14now since he's already gone. Like I'm mixing exposure with Alvin Chimera and even James Connor late because I I think that you know Chimera has been priced in
85:23like he's been basically dead all off season and I think like he's one of the reasons why I'm fading Travis Chan um
85:29where he's going because I think Chimera is going to play a bigger role in that backfield and James Connor is one
85:35practice away from Detroit realizing Isaiah Pacheco is total dust to getting traded to Detroit and then he vaults up into that like RB 30 to 40 tier.
85:46I mean, James Connor, and it wouldn't it wouldn't even be him. I mean, Dallas, like Dallas could do it. The Raiders
85:52have a a fifth round rookie from Arkansas as their backup running back.
85:57They might decide. They don't want to do it. Like, they're they're a lot the the Packers don't have a real running back,
86:03too. You know, they're >> Vikings got a bunch of guys that can't play three downs or stay healthy. Like, would that be so surprising?
86:09>> No. No. I I completely I completely agree. Uh, okay. We are working on a 2561 build. So I definitely think we
86:17want to take one tight end if not two here.
86:21>> Uh wide receiver, I mean Williams gives us a stack. Judy we were talking about.
86:26I really like Jeremy Bernard.
86:28>> Um probably good on running back. We wanted to take a third. It's just Jacob at quarterback so probably not there.
86:36What what are you thinking?
86:38>> I'm thinking tight end here. Um I love Doulish this year. I mean, he was a top 12 guy in every per route metric. Um,
86:44and I know I feel like we're kind of doing what we did in previous years with, you know, Albert O and everybody
86:49and Chig. Um, but they don't have anybody to catch the damn ball in Miami.
86:53So, like it to see that type of run out for him, it would not be insane. And I'm fine with either going like wide
86:59receiver. If we want to go Antonio Williams and make the bet against Stefon Diggs, considering we're both kind of overweight on Diggs, I'm fine. Yeah.
87:05Kind of like this is kind of becoming the hedge team, Davis.
87:08>> It is. Hey, sometimes sometimes it works that way. I was like I was like pretty ambivalent about Williams as a prospect,
87:15but also it is kind of one of those things >> every single day that Diggs or Debo or Keenan or whomever is not a commander.
87:24That's another day of reps for Williams.
87:26That's another day for him to impress the coaches. It's another day for him to learn the playbook. It's another day for
87:31him to practice with Jaden Daniels. Like it it it's it's just kind of funny. Like I was talking about this with dribbling.
87:38Christian Kirk getting injured now is maybe even bigger for dribbling than Christian Kirk getting injured in week one or or right before week one because
87:47right now >> I would I mean I would assume that it's Deshawn Stribbling practicing with Pertie not like I don't know River
87:54Crackra or Danny Gray or whatever depth wide receiver there's hanging around on the 49ers. Like these are these are really important reps for these rookie
88:02players I think.
88:03>> Oh, agreed. cuz if he's not getting reps with the ones early and it's later in training camp, you can just kind of
88:08chalk this up as to like a possible red shirt season. But I agree with you like this is the kind of run out with like
88:14Christian Kirk getting hurt where you see a dribbling taking reps with the ones over a Demarcus Robinson over even somebody like a Jordan Watkins who they
88:22had last year. So I I I emphatically agree with that because if not he's buried on the depth chart and he's
88:27running with the twos and threes for the entire camp.
88:30>> That's true. Yeah. Pertie Pertie said dribbling is a [clears throat] baller and I I've got a lot of trust in him
88:35which is uh if you're look if you're looking for a reason to take a guy in July that that's what it's all about.
88:42>> Yes.
88:42>> Uh yeah I mean Kahan Booty the the star of Patriots camp. I don't know if I believe I don't know.
88:47>> I don't believe that. That's all trade nonsense. Like >> people like I saw some of the stuff where it was like Romeo Dobs isn't even
88:53playing in two wide receiver sets. I'm like dude y'all are getting ridiculous.
88:56So, they go out and they give the contract to the guy early in free agency to make him like a rotational wide
89:02receiver. Like, what are we doing here, man? Come on.
89:06>> Yeah. No, I I completely I completely agree. Um, all right. So, we are about to wrap this team up. Probably one more
89:13tight end. I don't think we need to add a quarterback in here. Are you thinking another running back or one last wide
89:19receiver? I think a wide receiver considering now that I'm looking at this overall build and we got a [ __ ] ton of
89:25week seven buys.
89:26>> Yes, somebody with some alternate um because I didn't even look at that. I'm looking at quarterback um who again like I don't think we're
89:35alternating buys there. Yeah, we're good.
89:37>> No, no, we're good. We're good there.
89:38>> I think Sters I just kind of made the case with him uh makes a ton of sense and I think getting another wide
89:44receiver if you're down with that Davis because we have what five or six running backs. Yeah, we have a two quarterback,
89:50five running back, seven wide receiver, two tight end build. We're gonna take Sters with that first pick.
89:56>> Um, we do have three week seven buys.
89:58Honestly, it's real boring, >> but I do think Ridley like round 18y, >> I mean, look, do I think Calvin Ridley
90:06is that good? Do I think Cam Ward is that good? Not really. Wait, are you gonna do like what what rookie is going
90:12to project better than Calvin Ridley?
90:14>> No. And and the other thing is like we also have the out like you were talking about Jerry Judy. If they decide like
90:19they get a good offer in camp and really like >> cuz he's he's a holdover guy. So like if he gets traded we wouldn't be shocked by
90:26that either.
90:27>> Calvin Ridley is definitely a trade candidate. Yeah. I guess I I don't even know how much money does Calvin Ridley
90:32make.
90:33>> It's probably it's probably a lot of money.
90:36>> Calvin Ridley actually it's a lot less than I thought. 5 million against the cap right now.
90:43>> Oh that's not bad. 15 million dead cap to be traded and the Titans >> the Titans would eat actually the Titans
90:54would eat half of that and then the other the 7.5 and then 5.7 million or 7.5 million would go to his new team. So
91:03that is an angle I I haven't even I haven't even pulled his contract up yet.
91:08Uh my guy DJ says that he just restructured. Well, that restructure makes it a lot easier.
91:13>> That makes it easier. I mean, that's the same thing James Connor did this offseason. It basically makes it easier to move. So,
91:19>> again, >> well, there what what if all of our hope for Stefon Diggs to the Commanders turns out to be Calvin Ridley to the
91:25Commanders, Davis?
91:26>> I was going to say I I really had not considered that until you >> I haven't either. Like, we're workshopping this take right now live.
91:33Yeah, I I really I actually I actually really like that because I mean that's even less money that that is half of
91:39what Diggs is going to ask to get paid.
91:41Digs Digs >> Digs will be out there like one year 12 to 14 million probably.
91:46>> I I would assume I mean I would assume he actually is probably asking for a multi-year deal. That might be the
91:52hangup.
91:52>> One of the one of the hang-ups might be that Diggs is saying, "Hey, I'd like I'd like this to be my last big contract.
91:57I'd like three years 40 million or whatever." Um >> could be.
92:01>> Yeah. which which is kind of funny because in NFL parlance it just means that he's gonna get paid to get cut next
92:07off seasonason probably.
92:08>> Yeah. I mean basically yes then it's just a puffed up one-year deal with like a bunch of funny money on the back end
92:13that it's not really a three-year deal.
92:16Jaden Daniels, Bo Nicks, Ashton Genty, Ken Walker, Jonathan Brooks, C-rod, Jonah Coleman, Jaylen Wadd, Terry McLuren, Parker Washington, Josh DS,
92:26Jacobe Myers, Denzel Boston, Antonio Williams, Calvin Ridley, Chig Doulich, Sters. I do now that Sters is free at the end of these drafts, he's he's
92:36pretty appealing to me. I I I don't really believe this idea that he is >> not going to play. I think their their
92:45best offense >> their best offense includes him on the field instead of Wix or Hollywood Brown.
92:50I I think >> I just look at Sters. It's the same kind of bet you'd be making or we are making
92:56with Terren Ferguson. How is it any different Davis? Like you have so many different tight ends and everybody's like, "Oh, well Terrence Fergus Terren
93:03Ferguson breakout," but then it's like, "Is he going to hop Parkinson? Is he going to hop Higgby?" Like actually like I think it's a a tougher bet to make and
93:12kind of squint and see the path for Terren Ferguson versus an Eli Sters. Am I insane with that?
93:18>> No. No. I I I think I mean Ferguson is certainly going to play more from the jump than Sters, but if no one else gets
93:27injured and I'm like I'm the biggest T for guy in the world, but if no one gets injured, Ferguson is probably capped at
93:33like 50% of the routes. uh if if there's nothing, you know, it's it's a very specialized role inside of that offense.
93:41And that specialized role, like Sters can just be 65% of the routes right away from from >> week four or whatever. Like a lot of it
93:51depends on how good Wix is playing. Like if Wix is playing very well, could be more limited.
93:57>> But I mean, he's got like Lemon might be slow to adjust to the NFL game. Devont Smith could get nicked up. Like I I
94:04wouldn't think they would be like, "Yeah, we are going to treat Hollywood Brown and Darius Cooper like they're just definitely playing over Sters." I
94:13mean, one of the things it's like Sters probably can just play wide receiver.
94:17Probably not probably not that well, >> you know, like he's he can just kind of go out there and and eat some routes,
94:22but >> some in the 18th round sometimes you just want some guys to uh to eat some routes. Well, the other part about this,
94:28I mean, how many years in a row have we seen Dallas Godric get nicked up? Like the easiest path to playing time is just
94:34like behind him there's Johnny freaking Munt and Grant Calcater. So it's like I mean you you they draft Eli Sters even
94:42if he plays say got we play the the thought exercise Gddard is out and then Sters is still like a say he's Dalton
94:51King Kade of Philly like he's a 55 60% route share guy even if he gets the starting job but he's stupid efficient
94:58and he gets reds on work and we get like out of a two a guy we just drafted in the 200s you get four spike weeks out of
95:06him three spike weeks he's still paying off handsomely like even at that point >> he I mean like if he was a wide receiver
95:14second round he would be the cheapest second round wide receiver in the >> yeah free you'd be like you'd be like a
95:20it'd be a guy like where it's like okay I can easily get like that's where it's like the guys where they're like 180
95:27plus and it's like fine I can easily load up at 16% of this guy because I I'm I'm paying 180 to pick 200 kind of
95:35prices like that's not costing me anything.
95:39>> Yeah, I I completely agree. Uh all right, man. What is your what is your offseason content schedule going to be
95:46like over at uh at Fantasy uh betting pros?
95:50>> Dude, it's all trying to So, I got a lot of my uh DraftKit stuff's already live right now. Like my players to avoid, my
95:56players to target. Um I've got my perfect draft article that's live that's pinned at the top of my uh my profile.
96:01I'm going to actually rework that to kind of update it and give it spit shine this week. um which that article has 80
96:09plus players in it literally walking people through every single freaking round. And uh probably not this week, but next week I'm going to probably try
96:17to get my top 200 out, which I've done the last three years in a row, and that's literally 200 players across all
96:23positions, even defense and kickers.
96:25Like I wanted to create something to where if people were like, you know, drafting a [ __ ] ton of basketball teams
96:31or reddraft, like it's the one damn thing that you need to pull up and have on second screen, >> right?
96:36>> Yep.
96:37>> Yeah. Hey, it's valuable. It's valuable work my guy is doing out there. Uh all right, guys. I'm going to get out of
96:43here. I will be back with all of you guys at some indeterminate time tomorrow. We'll uh we'll figure that one out. uh Swastcast this afternoon uh and
96:53then ADP chasing tonight. And we'll see you guys all then.