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0:45Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike Wright.
0:50Oh, welcome in! The Fantasy Footballers back with you Thursday, July 9th.
0:54Welcome to the show. Jason Moore, Mike Wright, Andy Holloway.
0:57Back with you YouTube.com slash TheFantasyFootballers. If you want to watch the show as well.
1:02And we are on to our second divisional breakdown episode.
1:05I thought it was pretty fun talking through the AFC North on our last show.
1:10This is a fun division, too. Yeah, it is.
1:13There's so many questions that need to be answered today.
1:16And so we'll be talking through the AFC South.
1:19Yeah, I mean, Jacksonville's its own thing. It's its own thing, man.
1:23It's its own thing. Houston, I mean, it's part of it.
1:27It's a different team. It's a different team. It's just like, I feel like there's no excitement around Houston.
1:33For fantasy football? On the offense, yeah. It feels like a stick in the mud.
1:38Yeah, I mean, obviously we'll get to the Texans later, but I mean, it's too good of an offense with not a good enough quarterback.
1:46It's pretty simple math. Too good of a defense?
1:49Or defense, yeah. And then Cam Ward and the Titans and all the changes there.
1:54We'll get into all those teams. I guess I shouldn't leave the Colts out either if I'm just introducing them all.
2:00Feels like I feel like I'm going to hear about that.
2:04But Daniel Jones, come back from injury. UltimateDraftGit.com. That is the website.
2:08Go check it out. It's available right now. The draft analyzer is live as well.
2:13And we have a brand new feature launching in probably a week or two.
2:17On the mobile app. Yeah. And I'm not going to give anything away, but it rhymes with schmock.
2:23Yeah. I had a particular user, very friendly, try to extort a UDK for life.
2:28They're like, if I guess what the new feature is.
2:31I was like, what? No. If you guess like a...
2:34If you guess what the... This wasn't even a trail of breadcrumbs.
2:38This was the loaf. Yeah. If you guess that it is a fantasy footballers mock draft tool, you will be very close.
2:45But unlike other mock draft tools, you don't get the opportunity in them to bring in the ADP of various platforms.
2:52All the mock draft tools that exist, the majority of them are...
2:56Platform specific. Yeah. They're built for the platforms themselves.
2:59And this will be something that you'll be able to do mock drafts, not just by yourself, but with friends.
3:06Invite friends into them. Start from any mixture of average draft position, default rankings.
3:10Have all of our stats. UDK information in there is what the feature could be.
3:15That might be what the feature is that we're going to release.
3:19That's the hint I'm going to give. Speaking of the Ultimate Draft Kit, it's a living, breathing document.
3:25We're in there constantly. You know, right now it's a little bit of a lull in quarterbacks are going on Alaskan cruises
3:32and not a ton happening at this very moment.
3:35But we did have a... We had a move happen after the AFC North show.
3:40Oh, for your team? No, for our UDK. It was really...
3:43I was finally able to break through about my man Zay Flowers.
3:47Yeah. Get him out of the bus! He's great.
3:50Early. He's great. Be careful, man. Be careful. I'll put him back in!
3:54Don't overplay it! The pendulum swings. It goes back and forth.
3:58Yeah, when we first statted out the UDK and when ADP was not as up to date, it was like people were
4:05drafting based on what happened last year. Zay's not going to repeat that right now.
4:10Zay is very low. He's in the fifth round.
4:13Yeah, and so all of our sleepers, breakouts, busts, and values are in there, and those shift.
4:18I mean, when you hear that opinions and things are shifting, it's very much based on the market.
4:24It's based on our projections for the players relative to where they're going in fantasy and whether they're a better value or
4:31they're a player that's just not going to end up on your team because you're never going to take them ahead of other names.
4:39So our sleepers, breakouts, busts, and values, they evolve as well.
4:42We have our consensus opinions in there on those guys, but, you know, Zay Flowers in the fifth, that's not a bust.
4:50Zay Flowers in the second, that's a bust. That's the difference.
4:53It's not my belief on the player and the output.
4:56It's where the market is telling you this player belongs.
5:00Just happen to have everyone aboard. I know. Mike is very happy about that, so that's a good time to move on
5:07to the quick question of the day. Pretty soon he'll be in values.
5:11We'll see. Well, he might be. I don't know.
5:14But ultimatedraftkit.com for that. Quick question comes from Lee in Vancouver.
5:17Bonjour. Yes. Is there ever a case for drafting two elite tight ends, say Trey McBride and Colston Loveland or Tyler Warren?
5:25It goes on to say, could the second tight end outscore similarly drafted wide receivers, serve as a weekly flex while also blocking opponents, providing injury insurance?
5:33I don't think we've ever talked about injury insurance at tight end because we never really think about it that way.
5:40Yeah. It's an interesting question, and the answer is no.
5:43Yeah. I'm on. The answer is definitely not. We do get on here every year and be like, well, Trammie Bryant would have been the wide receiver seven.
5:52Yeah, but you have to thread the needle so perfectly.
5:56Yeah, that's the problem. You've got to get right twice.
5:59And then on top of that, now you can't.
6:02I mean, you're not really playing matchups. You're saying, well, these two tight ends are going to go into my lineup every single week, no matter what.
6:11And you're like, oh, I just scooped up this hot running back who's got the opportunities there, got a good matchup.
6:17You're like, well, but I got this tight end I drafted in the third round.
6:22I got to play him. And it's the opportunity cost.
6:25I mean, when you take a tight end early, you're assuring yourself a really good one, assuming you're getting one of the true elites.
6:33But then you are, even when you just take one, you are sacrificing a running back or a wide receiver for depth
6:40of one of those elite ones if you're taking them in the second or third round.
6:45And so to do that twice, it's like, okay, yeah, your tight end will be good.
6:51Your flex will be good. Maybe just as good as the wide receiver or running back that you, you know, he might
6:58score as much as the running back or wide receiver that you would have taken.
7:03But you can't play him. You need multiple running backs, multiple wide receivers.
7:07You need depth. You need depth. And you're not going to be able to trade for value.
7:12The only way that it works to have like two tight ends, if you want to take a swing at the end
7:19of your draft where the opportunity cost isn't there.
7:22Last year, Harold Fannin. If you were like, I believe in Harold Fannin.
7:27Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's fine. That happened with Darren Waller.
7:30Like his, the news of his ascension in training camp when he was with the Raiders.
7:35Like that was pretty late. If George Kittle's at the end of my draft and I drafted McBride because people are afraid of the injury, sure.
7:43Yeah, there's a couple like George and Tucker Craft.
7:46There's a chance in your league people are just completely scared off of them.
7:51And they're, and they, and then you're like, you're looking at multiple rounds after ADP where they would have gone.
7:57Does, does drafting me, bride Bowers, those guys at the top dissuade you from taking a shot on a, whatever, say Stowers, say Sadiq, say Gadsden.
8:06Somebody late. Do you, are you still willing to just take a shot on that?
8:11If it's super late, not like, okay, Tucker Craft has fallen to the eighth, but if it's a super late pick, it doesn't dissuade me.
8:19However, I don't know that in this year's particular draft, like Sadiq would be the name.
8:24I personally am not a believer. So I will be, I will be, I will be bypassing for at least this year.
8:31But in certain years, I think that that's a good strategy.
8:35Here's what, one thing we have learned from repeated mock drafts on the show and just experience over the years.
8:41What's funny about taking one of those onesie guys, like you can get a good value.
8:46Let's say you get a good value on McBride.
8:49What's good value on McBride? Let's get fourth. Okay.
8:52Or a good value on Josh Allen or something like that.
8:56Right. If you pull the trigger on a onesie, even just at value, the one thing we don't talk about very much
9:03is the fact that you have now lost your opportunity to jump on value at that position later in the draft.
9:10If it happens. Which is why I am much more hesitant to grab a second or third round quarterback I love than
9:17I am at the tight end position because there are so many late round quarterbacks that I love Jackson Dart where he falls sometimes in drafts.
9:25Dak where he falls in drafts. Which you're saying goodbye to if you take the early quarterback.
9:31We've experienced this where it's like, okay. You look back at the draft.
9:35You're like, man, a great pass there. Yeah. Josh Allen in the third and now I'm just like, oh man, Dart is sitting here in the 11th.
9:44What a dummy. I wish I could have taken this and had that running back.
9:48But it doesn't happen as often with tight ends just because there's not a handful late that you're like, what a darling.
9:56They all suck. We don't really have any news to talk about other than the fact that it's been reported that the
10:03Buccaneers and Baker Mayfield are still, quote, not close on an extension.
10:07Guys, on this show, I told you, don't be surprised if Baker Mayfield, if they go into the season.
10:13You said it on this show? I did. I wasn't listening.
10:16No. You thought they might go in dirty and see what happens?
10:20I think they might ride dirty. And if Baker has a bad year, then they're going to be like, okay, go ahead.
10:27Test the market. Funny thing about Baker is if he has a good year, I think he may make them pay for that.
10:35Yeah. By leaving. Yeah. I mean, or the cost.
10:38It's always hard with a rancher. Financially, they'll make him pay.
10:41The DAC move was not a good gamble by Dallas.
10:45No. So, I mean, that's what it feels like.
10:47If I were Tampa Bay, I mean, I think Baker's proven enough to me.
10:52I would get the deal done. Yeah. What's always funny about those is like, well.
10:57But Baker may be asking for a lot more.
11:00Like, we need you to go out there and prove it.
11:03You're like. How many years? But do you want me to succeed or do you want me to fail?
11:09Because it's like, if you fail, then, okay. Then you were right.
11:13Yeah, you're right. The price has gone down. But if you're right and I'm bad for your team, then what are we doing here?
11:21That is really weird. But shout out to Jerry Jones.
11:24That's why he runs his business. Okay. Let's get divisional.
11:28Well, we just covered the AFC North on the previous episode.
11:31Today is the AFC South breakdown. And, man, the division went through some wild times last year.
11:37We started the season with Indianapolis was on fire.
11:40There was a story of the NFL. Jonathan Taylor in fantasy was incredible.
11:44Daniel Jones was getting it done on a weekly basis.
11:47They were one of the top scoring offenses. They were like seven and one.
11:52In the league. Something like that. They lost their last seven games of the season.
11:56They were eight and two. The number one seed in the league.
12:00When I was going back re-watching film and I was hearing, like, broadcasters talking about it, it was like, wow, that's right.
12:07Late in the season, this team was talked about as definite Super Bowl contender.
12:12They were the number one seed in the league.
12:15And they didn't make the playoffs. And what's wild, too, is it's like a lot has been made of Jacksonville's finish to the year.
12:23They started the year five and four and they won their last eight games to finish 13 and four win the division.
12:30But not as much, as I said earlier in the show, has been made of Houston, who started four and five and won their last nine games.
12:39And honestly, if you tell me which team, not to take anything away from Jacksonville, but in the playoffs, which team did
12:46every other team out there not want to play?
12:49Houston. It was the Texans. That was the team where it's like, how do you score?
12:54How do you score on that defense? Yeah, and so you look at those two teams and one just has a...
13:01Stroud falls on his face. Yeah, that's how you score.
13:04Four picks. Yeah, you look at those two teams and one just is very attractive for the fantasy football discussion in Jacksonville.
13:11The excitement is built around their offense and one is built around their defense.
13:15And so we'll start with Jacksonville. Last year they were 13 and four, as I said.
13:21They won more than 10 games for the first time since 2017.
13:24I mean, it was an amazing start of the head coaching career for Liam Cohen, who, you know, we started the offseason
13:32with Duval and our questions about that man. But they were answered.
13:36Now, they were also... The challenge that I see with Jacksonville is, you know, they're going to play a first-place schedule now.
13:43They were 6-3-1 score games. And the performance of Trevor Lawrence was so different than the rest of his entire career that
13:50I think in the back of my head, I'm waiting for the shoe to drop.
13:55I mean, Indianapolis fell on their face because they lost their quarterback, right?
13:59Tennessee was hapless. And they have a brand-new, you know, offensive, you know, coordinator that we like and a head coach that we respect.
14:07So part of it was, yeah, you played a lot better.
14:10But part of it was, look, Trevor Lawrence was just on fire.
14:14Trevor Lawrence's rushing totals in particular, nine rushing touchdowns, is pretty wild.
14:18And so when you look at what he's capable of doing with the weapons that he has, he's not going to score nine times again.
14:26No, not on the ground. No way. So then the passing numbers, you need to do what he did over the last,
14:33you know, 10 weeks of the season on the course of the whole year.
14:38And maybe that happens. They were 6 in points per game, 10th in yards per game.
14:43And everything basically changed after the bye week for him.
14:46I mean, his completion percentage jumped 4%. His yards per attempt jumped almost two yards.
14:51Passing touchdowns per game, up to two from 1.3.
14:54It was just seven top 12 finishes in the last 10 weeks.
14:58He was at a 6.6% touchdown rate after the bye week, which that's unsustainable.
15:02So, you know, we have years and years of regression data.
15:06When a player is that high up in your touchdown percentage, it comes down and usually hits like a rock.
15:12But the fact that he was in the new offense, we saw what Liam Cohen did, you know, a couple years ago with Baker.
15:20And then kind of consequently the Bucs were not so great the following year.
15:25I'm more bought in on Trevor Lawrence and what the Jacksonville Jaguars are able to accomplish.
15:30You know, again, that level will come down. But Lawrence looks like a great pick right now in fantasy.
15:36I think there was a part of this offseason where I was pretty close to like putting Trevor Lawrence as like a definite my guy.
15:44I think I've come off of that a little bit.
15:47Just those rushing totals are concerning to me. The fact that it is a division I think is very challenging.
15:54And I'm just a little bit worried about the worst case scenario more than I am whether he can hit the best case scenario.
16:02And so will he repeat as a fantasy difference maker?
16:05Mike, it sounds like you think the answer is yes.
16:08Yeah, especially where he's going in the draft. You know, I'm seeing back of the eighth round for a guy that top
16:15five is in the range of outcomes to me.
16:18I think that's that's very. Yeah, I'm fine taking Trevor Lawrence.
16:22We took him in a in a league we're in together earlier today at a good value.
16:27I took him in Scotty. That being said, the question as to whether or not he's going to fall on his face is just did he level up?
16:36Was it a true, you know, because he's been inconsistent.
16:39I've never since his rookie year when he was supposed to be the next greatest thing.
16:45He has not lived up to that. But he's a horse boy for a reason.
16:50And that is because he is a child. Part boy.
16:53He is part boy. He's 20. He's 26. Boy, half horse.
16:56Right, right. So the horse boy. Genetic. Name makes sense.
17:00But I do think he might have genuinely leveled up.
17:03He is. He was young enough with a good system in place with Liam Cohen.
17:08The second half of the year looked so much better where, you know, the completion percentage that matters quite a bit to me.
17:15And he has earlier in his career had, you know, he's always been in the 60s to start the season.
17:22It was a little rough. And then they figured it out.
17:25He has weapons. We talk about this all the time.
17:28We don't know which Jacksonville Jaguar receiver. Is it Parker Washington because of the slot usage and all of the success that
17:35he had and that Liam Cohen has had with that role?
17:39Or is it Brian Thomas Jr. because, you know, first round NFL draft pick who comes out in his rookie year and looks like a superstar?
17:47Or, you know, the Travis Hunter? There's so many options.
17:51But it all goes to Trevor Lawrence. I think he leveled up.
17:55I am in on him at value. I agree with you, Andy.
17:58He's not a guy I'm, like, hyper-targeting and planting my flag on.
18:02I think we had this conversation once in 2022 when that season ended and he was the quarterback eight.
18:09And, again, it's about worst-case scenario for me, which I've seen reversion from him, whether it's week to week or season to season.
18:16That's just in the back of my mind. I agree with you.
18:20The value is probably fine to take a chance on it.
18:23But we do have questions up and down the offensive side of the ball in terms of who you're really going to
18:31place your bets on in the backfield. It's going to be Bayshall Tootin, Chris Rodriguez, and LaQuint Allen in some capacity sharing work.
18:38This was a team that made a concerted effort to go out.
18:42And their name was brought up among other veteran offseason opportunities.
18:45So they are... As it should. If you're losing someone stabilizing like Travis H.N.
18:50Jr., who... I mean, Andy brought up his inefficiency numbers, which that's true.
18:54He's kind of been inefficient his entire career. It's his thing.
18:58Yeah. But he just gets the ball a ton.
19:01And so you lose him, and the next man up is a fourth-round running back.
19:06The media is going to link you to other running backs.
19:09And they really... The splash was Chris Rodriguez, who...
19:12What is... It's not much of a splash. Yeah.
19:15Yeah, but he's caught like a handful of passes in his entire career, just has never...
19:20If there wasn't a connection... That's a ripple in the water.
19:24Yeah, if it wasn't the connection between Cohen and Rodriguez at Kentucky...
19:28That's probably what got the deal done. We would probably not...
19:31We'd just be like, he's a depth piece. It doesn't matter.
19:35We brought it up on the last show. Basial Tootin did have problems getting in...
19:40You know, Chris Rodriguez can get into the end zone.
19:43Yes. Basial Tootin inside the five, we don't know if that work's going to be his and how successful he'll be.
19:50That's what the question is. He had limited success.
19:52Who gets it? But he did have success. Tootin was better than HN Jr.
19:57inside of the five. Right. It just... It comes down to what do you believe?
20:02Who will get the work? And, you know, like...
20:05We always want the more talented player on the field.
20:08Sometimes the coach just likes a player. And even if you...
20:12You know, we're screaming at the television how inefficient it is.
20:15They're going to keep giving that player the work because they like them and they trust them.
20:21Let me just highlight... I think it ends up being Tootin.
20:24And I think he gets just a crap ton of volume.
20:28So, you can make the arguments that Tootin will be inefficient.
20:31But it's like, well, look... HN Jr. was inefficient last year.
20:35Chris Rodriguez was four and a half a carry last year.
20:38And he did have enough work for that to matter.
20:42He had 112 carries. He scored six times in Washington.
20:45So, it's worth noting that, like... Rodriguez is an interesting player.
20:49He's only 25. He's an interesting player. I just think that the upside is with Tootin.
20:54I think that's really... It comes down to that explosiveness and speed.
20:58And if he is the first man up, the opportunity to utilize it.
21:02If you don't remember Tootin, the prospect as a rookie last year.
21:06He's 99th percentile explosiveness. 4-3-2 speed. So, it's exciting for fantasy purposes.
21:10Because if one of those two guys has a real breakout this year, it will be Tootin.
21:15Like, Chris Rodriguez could be a value. He could end up...
21:19He could. Being someone that is a good draft pick.
21:22But I doubt he's got, you know, like, oh, he's RB1 at the end of the year.
21:27Whereas Tootin, I think, has that upside, that allure.
21:30I lean more towards Andy's side where I am skeptical that he will be the darling that so many people believe.
21:37Like, there is a Tootin fan club out there.
21:40And they are having a root in Tootin' time.
21:43Because there's a lot of them now. He was only 3.7 a carry on his attempts last year.
21:49He made plays. He is a playmaker. And then LaQuint Allen, how much will he be a factor?
21:55A Justice Hill factor on third down? I don't know.
21:58That's just where we're at with this discussion. And so, you're taking a shot on...
22:03Like, the Tootin draft pick. There's a handful of these every single year.
22:07You're drafting a player to be something for your lineup that you're not 100% certain he'll be.
22:12And so, there's upsides to that. And there's downsides to that.
22:16But where he's going right now, what's the ADP on Tootin' in the fifth round?
22:21I mean, that's tough. That's RB22 off the board.
22:24The usual dead zone. That's a vote for Liam Cohen.
22:27But yeah, that's the usual dead zone for running backs, right?
22:31Yeah. Usually those mid-round guys, what it is, is exactly what he is.
22:35Those middle-round picks are the ones that aren't sure things.
22:38You're not positive. But there's hope and there's reason where it's like, okay, I could see the path.
22:44So, he goes up higher than being a late-round pick.
22:47And that's usually when it doesn't work. And this is the kind of...
22:51Like, Basial Tootin, young, exciting, good offense we like.
22:54Yes. David Montgomery, all the volume on a playoff team.
22:57That's a decision to make for fantasy managers. Yes.
23:00Between those... And they're very different archetypes. It's fair.
23:03So, that's one where I'm going to be on...
23:06I'm leaning towards the Montgomery side of that equation.
23:09Sames. And Jason said sames. Well, I wanted to say samesies, but I felt like that was too stupid.
23:15But you said it anyways. No, he didn't say it.
23:18I just said sames. That would be too stupid.
23:21I don't know if we've talked about something more in the offseason than the wide receiver.
23:27Yeah, please. We don't need to do it all over again.
23:30Quick. Quick. Who do you want? I like Parker Washington.
23:33I like Jacoby Myers as players. This is as players.
23:37I like Travis Hunter. I like Britton Strange. I might like Brian Thomas as a player.
23:42Brian Thomas and Parker Washington are going very near each other in the drafts.
23:46You're not going to really have the opportunity... Basically, when you're on the clock, you're going to be choosing one of those two players.
23:54And who are you choosing? I'm getting closer to Parker by the day.
23:58I feel like I am too. I'm getting closer to Parker by the day.
24:03And one, I don't know who brought it up.
24:06And if I could remember, I would shout you out.
24:09But somebody brought up the fact that Parker Washington in this offense is going so significantly behind Luther Burden in the Chicago offense.
24:16But the situations for them are very similar. The production for Parker Washington was there over a long period of time last year.
24:24It was after the bye week. It was very solid.
24:27And the slot position for Liam Cohen has been a fantasy football dominator.
24:31And so I just wonder if that discussion is worthwhile.
24:35Like, Luther Burden has all the excitement and the hype in the world.
24:39And here's a team that went 13-4. And because he doesn't have the draft capital or name recognition, he may just be a steal.
24:47Yeah, it's you don't have any of the recognition and you're going into year four.
24:51So that's where the difference is of like you.
24:54If someone was going to turn into a boat, I would expect it to be a wide receiver.
25:00They're happening before they're going into year four. It's Luther Burden year two.
25:04Correct. Yeah. Between of the Jacksonville guys, I think I still lean Brian Thomas.
25:09It's not a strong lean. It's like a soft.
25:12Yeah. It's just of the. Barely on his side of the field.
25:16If when I evaluate the situation, it's like if one guy is going to turn into the difference maker and not just
25:23the three of them all kind of, you know, hot swapping who's going to be the star of the day.
25:29I think it's Thomas. But again, this isn't like I'm not I'm not demanding Brian Thomas get onto my roster.
25:36All right. Let's take a break and get into the very different Houston Texans.
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26:27All right, Houston 12 and five last year, seven and five and one score games.
26:32They won their last nine games. Their projected win total.
26:35I didn't get to that for Jacksonville. Let me throw that out there really quickly.
26:40I think I missed it. It was seven and a half going into last year.
26:45They won 13. It's nine and a half this year, which is the same number that we have for Houston.
26:51Nine and a half wins. Houston strength of schedule, according to Warren Sharpe, seventh most difficult schedule for 2026.
26:57They won a lot of games for an offense that was 19th in yards per game, 13th in points per game.
27:04They were a terrible red zone offense. So if you want to know why you just kind of didn't enjoy watching the
27:11game very much, it wasn't that I don't think any of us would say, oh, Houston, they were the worst offense in all of football.
27:19And the numbers don't bear that out either. It was that it was when they got when it was time for it to matter.
27:27They just looked inept at times. And then they went out and got a guy who can actually run in the red
27:34zone and score touchdowns because they did not have that.
27:38No, Woody Marks had to carry a lot of the load last year.
27:42This was a defense. It wasn't the plan. It's just.
27:45Yeah, they kind of had a guy that they really liked.
27:49Yeah, they did. And Joe Mixon and he just vanished there.
27:52And it wasn't all Woody Marks's fault, which is why it might not just work for David Montgomery.
27:58Their offensive line was dead last and run block win percentage last year.
28:02So this is it's one thing to want to do the running of the football.
28:07Well, it's another thing to be capable of doing it within your offense and having a threat in your passing game that
28:14keeps the defense honest enough to let David Montgomery go and have success.
28:18But from a game script perspective and from how we like to draft running backs, this is a team that has a
28:26great defense that will be leading or close in a ton of games that taking the ball out of a quarterback's hands
28:33like CJ Stroud seems like a prudent decision when you have a lead late in the game.
28:38And you have a running back that is proven in Detroit that when there were those situations and you had a big
28:45lead, he could salt the clock away. So, again, I find myself inching closer and closer into.
28:51This being a more impactful year for David Montgomery, then I think some people believe.
28:56Not I know. Not me. Yeah, it's all in.
28:59I've been all in since the acquisition was made.
29:01I mean, you saw this team do this a couple years ago, grabbing an older, inefficient Joe Mixon, who is what he
29:09was best at, was handling a large workload, being a veteran who is in the right spot at the right time, always falling for getting what he can.
29:18And that's what David Montgomery is. They went out.
29:21They traded for him. They signed him. They extended him.
29:24And he's going to get all the workload. This is a team that I think they won their final nine games or something crazy like that.
29:32As soon as C.J. Stroud went down to injury and missed three games, they started winning.
29:37But this is a team that will be in the lead a lot with that defense.
29:43And so I also think David Montgomery is a good pass catcher.
29:46I view him as a three-down back. My projection for him is that he will carry a lion's share of this backfield.
29:54Yeah, I don't disagree with any of those things.
29:57It's the he's 29 years old. He's changing teams.
29:59It has been quite some time. I mean, it's been since 2022 where we've seen him be, you know, like a true
30:07featured player, you know, splitting time with Gibbs. Even the carry count in 2023.
30:11Less tread on the tires, Mike. Yeah. I mean, you can argue that except we're going into year nine.
30:17And he's 29 years old. So he he is the exact profile that I generally bet against.
30:23I can see how it goes right. But when I'm when I'm in mock drafts, I just I don't think I can.
30:30I haven't been able to get Montgomery on my team.
30:33And Jason and I will at my own detriment.
30:36Yeah, we will target him. But I will say that it's a it's a different archetype.
30:41You know, there's a use case where Tootin is the better option.
30:45If you said who was a breakout top five running back, I don't think David Montgomery is going to be that.
30:52He doesn't have the explosiveness to do that. He's going to be a volume guy.
30:57If Tootin. I mean, 12 touchdowns for David Montgomery is not unreasonable at all.
31:01I don't think it's unreasonable. I think that that's possible.
31:05I don't know that that puts you in the top five.
31:08No, he had 13 and a thousand in 2023 and he was the running back 13.
31:13I liked it. Well, yeah, and half the work, right?
31:17Half the opportunities. I mean, he'd started. He had a ton of work.
31:21200 probably. Yeah. I mean, Woody Marks is not going to be a factor.
31:25They're already talking about him in special teams. He'll spell David Montgomery here and there.
31:30I just think it's interesting because I like it when other people are out.
31:35And so we're not going to agree because that's the principle here.
31:39The principle is sometimes you pick players that have a good case against them.
31:43And that's it. I liked it as yards per carry haven't gone down.
31:47They went up last year from the year before.
31:50I like that he's done the double digit touchdown thing, that he's been pretty resilient.
31:55His carries went down. His efficiency went up. There you go.
31:59He is like, I think Montgomery is still a fine player.
32:02It's just if they really use him as a three down running back, how long?
32:07How long can he keep that up? Can he make it to, can he give you 14 quality games?
32:13Yeah, I think he can. I think he's built for it.
32:17Of all the players that could, I think he's the one that can do it.
32:22I mean, I think it's a Nick Chubb-esque type of.
32:25Nick Chubb was part of the plan for the Texans.
32:28Not last year's Nick Chubb. So as you, when you're like, yeah, well, it worked for Mixon.
32:34Didn't work for Nicholas Chubb. Well, Chubb was coming back off of.
32:37Yeah, Chubb had already been bad. The injury. That's why Cleveland didn't bring him back.
32:42Yeah. He freaked. Montgomery freaks me out. Yeah. And that's why David Montgomery is going as the RB 26 in the sixth
32:49round and Basial Tudens is the RB 22. Nico Collins.
32:53He's just there still. He's very good. And very good.
32:56Wish he was on a team with a bad defense.
32:59That would be awesome. Yeah. He's going to be capped by just total opportunities provided by a quarterback that has been, you
33:06know, we made a lot out of Aaron Rogers being 14 fancy points a game.
33:11Well, CJ Stroud, after his amazing rookie year, 13 fancy points a game, 14.9 last year, he still got a completion percentage
33:18up in the mid sixties, but three top 12 finishes in each of the last two years.
33:24You don't get prolific weeks from him. You're probably going to get more top 12 finishes from Rogers having a special week
33:31than CJ Stroud, who just seems kind of like a game manager at this point.
33:36And that's probably what the team needs the most is for him to take less chances.
33:41Absolutely. I mean, you look down the stretch, they won nine games in a row.
33:46They won with 16 points, 23 points, 20 points, 20 points, 40.
33:50Thanks Cardinals. Cause anybody can score 40 against the Cardinals, but like they were winning with, with so few points where, and,
33:57and especially with Montgomery here, where when they get in the red zone, they can actually maybe score on the ground.
34:04This is, it caps the wide receiver upside, but Nico Collins can win any week.
34:08You look back last year, he had so many top 10 weekly performances.
34:13Granted two of them came in the three games with Davis Mills, but at least, at least, you know, if something happens
34:20with Stroud Mills, you know, is a capable backup.
34:23Do you care about any other wide receivers? Jaden Higgins, Jalen Knoll, Tank Dell, Xavier Hutchinson.
34:28I want to care about Jaden Higgins. I want to care about Tank Dell.
34:32I do care about Tank Dell, the man. I think Mike's odds of caring about him in fantasy are much higher than yours.
34:40I'm sorry. I agree. Jaden Higgins is interesting, but this team just doesn't have the passing volume, I think, on a weekly basis.
34:47What I saw from Jaden Higgins was really good.
34:50He passed the eyeball test to me, but because this was a, I mean, this is like the quintessential defense and don't
34:57make mistake veteran win the ball game team, not the fantasy adoration.
35:01This was a team that did not let the rookie have too many snaps.
35:06You know, he was so disappointed in this season.
35:09I really was. I was just super bummed. I was bummed at the utilization.
35:13There were opportunities where it was like we thought he was going to get more work, and he just wasn't on the field.
35:21They would rather have the veteran, you know, Christian Kirk out there instead of the young, exciting guy who could make mistakes.
35:28And I'm hopeful, if you want to paint the narrative for how it works for Jaden Higgins, is now that he's not
35:35a rookie, he's got the experience, and he's coming in as a vet, maybe they just say, you are on the two, on the outside.
35:43You're going to play 85 plus percent of snaps.
35:46So they are favored in six of the first seven games.
35:50They have an opening matchup against Buffalo, then it's Cincinnati, then they're favored against Cincinnati, Indianapolis, Dallas, Tennessee, Jacksonville, and the Giants.
35:57If? That's a pretty juicy schedule when you've got Cincinnati, Dallas, Tennessee.
36:01Yeah. In your first five weeks. That's a very interesting start.
36:04Yeah. Like from a Nico. Nico's had seasons where he's been the number one wide receiver like eight weeks, nine weeks into the year.
36:12That does maybe, like if you're between two guys that are both really good, please look at that early season schedule a little bit.
36:20Sure. Not that it will repeat exactly. If, so hypothetically then, let's say Jaden Higgins makes a true second year leap, which
36:27I mean, he's a second round pick. He's got a, he's got size.
36:31He's got speed. Can he, if, can he turn things around for Stroud?
36:35Like we're, we're very negative on Stroud. Is there any path?
36:39I don't think so. Where you think it can, where Higgins takes that step and changes the offense.
36:45I don't think so. We talked about this with the Bengals.
36:48Let's say the Bengals defense got way better and they start kind of, you know, slowing teams down and they're not getting scored on a ton.
36:57And they're still going to keep like that, that identity of that team would keep the, the foot on the throat, air it out.
37:04They would, Burrow would just keep airing it out.
37:07I don't think, I, I believe that the makeup of this team and franchise and coaching staff, if they have a lead,
37:14they're going to be running it out. They're not going to be doing that with Chase Brown.
37:20That's what they want to do if things go well.
37:23So I kind of see, I kind of see Mike's point though, because we, we saw, I mean, this is still a
37:30good team ever since their head coach arrived, they've won 10, 10 or more games and they've had a defense that has been respectable.
37:38It wasn't as elite, but it was respectable. We didn't give enough credit to what they lost two years ago for Stroud.
37:45In tank? Well, it wasn't just tank. They literally, it was like Nico, Nico got hurt too.
37:51And, and, and he didn't have anybody else to throw to.
37:54I'm just saying that first. In year two of Stroud?
37:57In the year two of Stroud. That first year with Stroud, you had tank Dell and Nico Collins.
38:03And I think they had Robert Woods. And I'm not sure if it was Robert Woods that year or not.
38:10I think it was. I'm just saying he did have a, a number of weapons that season that were, yeah.
38:16Tank Dell was there. They have Woods that year.
38:19So I, I, I just think it's interesting to bring up Mike, because we don't ever talk about Stroud in a positive
38:26light, but you know, that was a tough season.
38:29He lost everybody and we all, we all made him fall on the sword.
38:34There were some explanations for year two. And then, yeah, maybe year three was just like, Hey, we don't have, we have
38:41Dalton Schultz here who, I mean, even Dalton Schultz continues to be the second highest target target earner for the Texans.
38:48That seems suboptimal for an offense to thrive. You don't want him to be your second target.
38:53And it's important to bring up because we were saying Houston's got this elite defense, so they're not going to utilize the offense that much.
39:01We don't say that about Denver who has an elite defense.
39:05We don't say that about Philadelphia and their potential on offense.
39:08We don't say that about, uh, you know, some of these other teams, Seattle, you know, they have a great defense.
39:15They still had prolific offensive opportunities. I think in this NFL, you just have to be able to do that.
39:22If you know, if you've got the personnel to do it.
39:25So if Higgins became a true wide receiver too, maybe that could happen.
39:29I don't know. We'll just, we'll, we'll leave a, we'll leave a light on.
39:34You want to talk about the Colts? Let's go.
39:37All right. The Indianapolis Colts last year finished eight and nine in probably because of how incredible they were the number one
39:44seed in the AFC and eight and two. So they didn't win again after their bye week.
39:50Their projected win total before the year was seven and a half and they got to eight.
39:55So there you go. Daniel Jones injury was in week 14 after they had lost two very close games to Kansas city and Houston.
40:03There were three and seven and one score games.
40:06It certainly didn't help that they had lost their quarterback.
40:09I mean, they lost what a one score game against Seattle the week after losing Daniel Jones kept that game close.
40:16Right. With Philip Rivers. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, I think it's a team that we're not sure how to feel about because
40:23we don't know if Daniel Jones will be the same guy because he wasn't that good previously.
40:28So you got an eight game run of Daniel Jones being elite, making Indianapolis look like geniuses.
40:34What I really like is two things. One in the 12 starts that he had Daniel Daniel Jones when he was a giant was a prolific mobile quarterback.
40:43He was a runner. He would go out there and run for 500 600 yards and he was on pace through the
40:50first 12 games to only run for 200 yards.
40:53He was where he was succeeding was in the passing game.
40:57He was really electric with Tyler Warren, Michael Pittman and all that.
41:00And then you combine that with the fact that he is recovering seemingly very well from this Achilles injury.
41:07He's, you know, been at practice. He's participated in everything.
41:10And so, you know, it's like him being back.
41:13I'm not saying this for Daniel Jones, but I am saying it for the Colts, for Jonathan Taylor, because Jonathan Taylor, when
41:20Daniel Jones was removed and they didn't really have anything to threaten deep.
41:24And you could just I mean, if I was playing against the Colts with Philip Rivers, I put everybody at the line and just stop Johnny Taylor.
41:33That's what they tried to do and did. I think with Daniel Jones back there, I am a little bit more optimistic
41:40that we'll get not necessarily the 30 points per game that they were averaging with the Colts in the beginning because it
41:47was also magical, but a good offense. And I do think I the way I look at the Colts coming into this year, good offense.
41:55Well, if you believe I think I'm going to put a situation out there and you tell me if you are going to push back against it.
42:04If you think they're going to have a good offense, then you like Alec Pierce because you believe in Daniel Jones.
42:11And Michael Pittman was a target hog that is gone.
42:14And Alec Pierce got a big paycheck and was very good.
42:18So I think if you think their offense is going to be good, you have to.
42:23And Daniel Jones is good. I feel like you have to believe that Alec Pierce is going to be a massive producer for the offense.
42:31You cannot live and die on Tyler Warren alone in the passing game.
42:35So I think Alec Pierce is going to be very good.
42:39I don't necessarily think Alec Pierce is going to be very good for fantasy football simply because it depends on the role.
42:46If he's the possession receiver, then absolutely Alec Pierce is going to dominate, probably be one of the best picks in the
42:53entire draft because people aren't drafting him high. He got paid like a number one wide receiver and could dominate.
42:59The difference here is I think he's going to stay in the role he was in that he thrived at, which is stretch the field, catch deep bombs.
43:08And the team has already come out and said that's not the case.
43:13Alec Pierce came out and said that. They've also come out and said Josh Downs was going to take over the Michael Pittman role.
43:20I mean, they say a lot of things. Plus, he'd be more involved.
43:25They didn't say he was taking over the Michael Pittman role.
43:28They said they would give him more outside routes than he's ever had before.
43:33But Alec Pierce is literally they've come out and said like he understands he's going to be handling way more targets in the offense.
43:40I just don't I don't think you can make a more.
43:44I think it's less compelling to say Pierce succeeds than it is to say Downs and miscellaneous and Tyler Warren.
43:50It's those two guys. That's not enough. That's just not enough to have a prolific year at all.
43:56The way that I look at this offense, the way that I look at this offense, it reminds me so much of
44:03the old Raiders where it was Darren Waller along with Hunter Henry.
44:07And then they had a speedster outside. Who was I think you meant Hunter Henry or Hunter Renfro.
44:13It was Renfro. And so Renfro is like the Josh Downs.
44:17Darren Waller is like the Tyler Warren. And I can't remember the name.
44:21They had a it was before Tucker. Right. Yeah.
44:24It was a deep threat. It was very Alec Pierce.
44:27And I and they were they were really good.
44:30In that situation, you just made Daniel Jones Derek Carr's production.
44:34And that's what I mean. It's not enough because Derek Carr wasn't enough with that offense.
44:39That's all my point is, is without Alec Pierce being prolific, you will get Derek Carr out of Daniel Jones.
44:45And if you want to make that argument, that's fine.
44:48But that was the year is much better than Josh Downs.
44:52Yeah, I'm just saying that was the year Hunter Renfro was very good in fantasy.
44:57Darren Waller was very good in fantasy. Yeah, Renfro was a one.
45:01And that was still Derek Carr. Yeah. Yeah, he supported.
45:04But I'm talking about whether Daniel Jones is is good for you.
45:08Good for the team. Are you not? You don't think you think Daniel Jones being back.
45:13You're saying he's irrelevant. Daniel Jones is irrelevant. Yes.
45:16I think Daniel Jones is. Because he wasn't last year.
45:19I mean, he was like a very. That's what I was saying.
45:23I don't I don't necessarily think coming off the Achilles.
45:26I don't look at Daniel Jones as someone I'm targeting in fantasy football.
45:31But I think he's going to help the offense enough open up things for for the running game for Jonathan Taylor.
45:37He was on pace for forty four hundred yards and twenty eight touchdowns last year.
45:42Daniel Jones was with only six picks. Five hundred and sixteen passing attempt pace.
45:47Seventy one percent completion percentage. Like you said, he was a pocket passer, which to me like that takes away the concern about the Achilles quite a bit.
45:56Mm hmm. I struggled with the just the contract for Alec Pierce of because GM's teams do stupid crap all the time.
46:03All the time. If you paid Alec Pierce eighty four million and guaranteed money, it's a four year hundred fourteen million dollar contract.
46:10If it's in eighty four is guaranteed. If you paid him that money to just stretch the field and be what he
46:18was last year, you have made an egregious mistake with your resources.
46:21I don't know how Pierce was great at it.
46:24But being great at that, what like what Pierce was doing, that's not one hundred and fourteen million dollars.
46:30It's also not what he did every week of the season.
46:34He had high volume target weeks during the season.
46:37He had a thirteen target week and a ten target week and an eight target week.
46:42I'm telling you, if if if he is a deep threat on this team, I will eat my shorts.
46:48And I have it is an impossibility. I have him ranked closer to you, Andy.
46:53I'm more on the side of. They can't be that stupid, right?
46:57No, they're not. And by the way, this was the this is the team that brought Jeff Saturday and he didn't drop.
47:04And the ball of rivers last year, both of which I thought were real stupid.
47:09Oh, well, now I'm really a glass case of emotion.
47:12If he if if Alec Pierce receives. The target levels that you're talking about as some sort of deep threat to run
47:19the defense off so you can throw it to Josh Downs.
47:23I will be they will be a terrible football team.
47:26That will be my contention, at least. Josh Downs is going to have way more opportunity.
47:31We don't know if he can succeed on the outside because he's basically never done it.
47:37But he should have more opportunity. There could be opportunity for other guys to step up.
47:42Why in the world am I forgetting his name?
47:45Their third wide receiver who actually has flashed in the past.
47:48Whose name is escaping me, Kyle, please. I like to think of Westbrook.
47:52Ashton Doolin. Oh, it was Doolin. I was going to guess Doolin.
47:56But I was like, there's no way he's talking about Ashton Doolin.
48:00I am absolutely talking about Ashton Doolin. We should move on.
48:04Flashed in the past. Flashed in Doolin. No? I don't know what that means.
48:08You said he flashed. Oh, you're saying his name is flashing Doolin.
48:12Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah, that's great.
48:15Come on, keep on. I gotcha. Self-boo? I gotcha, he says, as he hits his own boo.
48:21I mean, I guess sometimes you can say something and it doesn't hit.
48:25Yeah. And then you just got to take... Just give it some time.
48:29Responsibility. But Tyler Warren, we're all excited about the draft cost of Tyler Warren.
48:34Very. Late fifth round pick. Josh Downs costs you nothing to take a shot on it.
48:39And Alec Pierce costs you nothing to take a shot on him.
48:43So when you talk about value right now, there's a lot of value there.
48:47Yeah, it's... I mean, John, the Taylors were the discussion.
48:51Yes, he is. Because he's vacillated between being the best running back in all of football and kind of sometimes not that good.
48:58And he is, ADP-wise, the running back three. Yeah, I mean, people are betting on...
49:03You better be right. That's what that draft stock says.
49:06I mean, if you don't remember, last year, before Daniel Jones went down, Jonathan Taylor wasn't good.
49:12He was the best. He was better than Christian McCaffrey.
49:15He was... Yes, he was. ...on pace for... He was carrying Jason's team.
49:19No, it was awesome. I thought he was carrying just everyone's team.
49:23Yeah, we were all on his shoulders. And we were not like a backpack.
49:28We were full chicken. We were up high. Everyone on your team would struggle.
49:32It didn't matter. And then you'd win anyways. Because you had Jonathan Taylor.
49:36I mean, he was the true workhorse. That's why Daniel Jones was really good last year.
49:42But he wasn't that consistent for fantasy. He wasn't...
49:44This was Jonathan Taylor's team. Jonathan Taylor is the fantasy star here.
49:48And obviously, people are drafting him as such. Do you buy into that spot, Jay?
49:53Do you buy into RB3? I know people are.
49:56Do you believe that that's where you'd want to take him?
50:00I do. It's a vote for the Colts. I just moved him down.
50:04When the Colts succeed, he succeeds. Yeah, I just...
50:07So do you believe that the Colts are a better team than Houston or Jacksonville?
50:12I think his... Him being in the running back three is...
50:15It scared me off that I... I didn't crush him in the rankings.
50:19I just have him now where... I don't know if I'm going to take the running back three.
50:25I think he is... I think he's more fragile than the current thought process about him is.
50:31Fragile from a fantasy... Yes. I'm not talking about his body, which has been fragile.
50:36I'm talking about the way it goes wrong. So, yeah, the...
50:39I'm just like looking... Man, the Colts. Have you seen their records in the last five years?
50:45Nine and eight. Nine and eight. Eight and nine.
50:48Eight and nine. And a four and 12 season mixed in.
50:51Oh, impressive. So, they've just been right on the edge and so...
50:55What's their projected win total that I just said?
50:58Did I bring it up? Why don't you just tell me?
51:02Eight and a half. This division is so fun.
51:04So, you've got nine and a half, nine and a half, eight and a half.
51:09I'm really curious how we're going to sort these.
51:12Oh. I think if the... I think if they lose...
51:15If they lose 10 games, I think you're unhappy with Taylor this year.
51:20Yeah. I think if they lose 10... You think they'll lose 10?
51:24I said if they lose 10. Okay. I said if they go 7 and 10 or something or worse.
51:30Which, I mean, eight and a half win total.
51:33Seven wins is within the... I think it is a little bit more nerve-wracking there.
51:38But we'll see. I mean, they're a super interesting team.
51:41We just had... Is there a chance of... You know, with the vacated targets, do we see an uptick in Taylor's receptions?
51:48Because he's good at it. We've been frustrated when they haven't thrown in the ball more.
51:53We bring that up all the time in the past where you've got a large portion of vacated targets.
51:59It often goes to the running back position. The fact that Daniel Jones is coming off an Achilles, maybe a little less mobile, more checkdowns.
52:07It certainly couldn't hurt. Yeah. Taylor's... Taylor is only difficult because he's going as the three.
52:12Okay. We'll take a break and we get to talk about one more team that's got a lot to battle against in this division.
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53:07Before we get to the Titans, I do, just because I'm looking at this fresh, the schedule for Indianapolis to start is
53:14worth bringing up because Baltimore, Kansas City, Houston, three really good defenses.
53:18And then at Washington, at Pittsburgh. Yeah, I mean...
53:21So you're five underdogs. Five underdogs to start, but I could easily see this team that I think is good, I think
53:28it's going to be a good offense, getting off to a really slow start.
53:32And if that happens, and you are drafting Jonathan Taylor at number three, it could be kind of the inverse of last
53:40year, where maybe you're really happy or disappointed you draft him, but then trade for him because it gets brighter.
53:46Yeah, and they'll have no games against Jacksonville yet, so there'll be two more against Jacksonville, one more against Houston.
53:53All right, man. Doesn't it feel like at any moment that Shane Steichen was going to get fired two years ago?
53:59Yes, yes. And then last year, it was like, you're amazing, and then it seemed like he almost got fired again at the end of the year?
54:08Very much. They feel like a team that could go...
54:11They could have an amazing season again or be a complete bust.
54:15Let's talk about the Titans. Three and 14. The projected win total last year, five and a half.
54:21This year, guys, it's way up. Six and a half.
54:24All right, it's not way up. That was untrue.
54:27Hey. It is up. It's going up. Brian Dable, new offensive coordinator.
54:31Robert Sala, new head coach. We invested in the draft.
54:34Carnell Tate, fourth pick overall. Seems like he is the real deal.
54:38They certainly needed one. Calvin Ridley wasn't it. Io Manor, DK, those guys were...
54:43You know, those are role players on this offense, not focal points of the offense.
54:48They didn't do anything at the running back position.
54:51I mean, they invested a fifth-round pick on Nicholas Singleton, but...
54:54Okay. We didn't go out and get it. We thought that they were in play for Jeremiah Love.
55:00Mm-hmm. Yeah. I like Nicholas Singleton. I think he does what is good for fantasy football, the incoming rookie.
55:06He doesn't have electric film, but he has a ton of touchdowns in college, a ton of pass catching, but he's a fifth-rounder.
55:14And Tony Pollard has literally just kept scoring. He's been decent.
55:17Oh, Tony Pollard. He's been... Tony! You just get...
55:20Tony! He's like in his James Conner face for the Titans that Conner did for the Cardinals, where you just kind of...
55:27You're tried and true and reliable. He's going to be the lead guy.
55:31The question is, is it a good enough offense to matter?
55:35I mean, last year they weren't... They were 30th in points per game, 31st in yards per game, but don't worry, their defense sucked as well.
55:43Four straight years with 1,000 rushing yards. They played the toughest schedule in the NFL last year.
55:49So if you want to try to find like...
55:52You know, two and five in one-score games, if you want to try to find a silver lining in a rookie season
55:59that was a struggle, you can say Cam Ward played the tough off his schedule in the entire NFL, and he got
56:06better over the back half of the year. If you want to turn it that direction.
56:11I just tweeted something out. I just tweeted all of his red zone pass attempts.
56:16He was the number one in the NFL in completion percentage above expectation in the red zone of all quarterbacks.
56:23Well, it's because they expected him to complete none of the passes but the receivers.
56:27So our expectation... Like, holy crap, he did it again!
56:31He's 100% over expectation! I guess you can nerf the stat that way if you want to.
56:36But look, my optimism around this team is there.
56:39I do believe that they have the core that will take them into the future as a winning football team, but I don't think it's a one-year process.
56:48I think Houston and Jacksonville are far, far better football teams.
56:52But I could see a world where they're competing for a third spot in this division, and I can see a world
56:59where we're actually happy in fantasy for once with Carnell Tate's involvement in this offense.
57:04So to me, that's where the real value lies.
57:07It's not a bunch of names like Jacksonville. We went through seven, eight, nine names in Jacksonville.
57:12And we didn't even talk about Britton Strange, who really probably should have been brought up as a sleeper tied in.
57:19Here, where does this discussion begin and end? And I think it's just Carnell Tate.
57:24I was going to ask, so you're going to leave Wandale out of this?
57:28You don't have to. Well, I'm saying they gave him the shmani.
57:32Yeah, but he had as much work as a human can get in previous seasons, and he still was just okay.
57:39A thousand-yard receiver last year? He was the wide receiver 19 in fantasy last year, and it's shocking to remember that.
57:46And it was with Brian Dayball, which is nice.
57:49But I will say that if they draft Carnell Tate and don't...
57:53He had a D in consistency. 35% of the time, he mattered.
57:56And if they draft Carnell Tate and don't make Carnell Tate the one, that's absurd and wrong.
58:02And Wandale, I think, is a good two. But for fantasy, maybe he helps the Titans.
58:07I have a hard time thinking that Wandale's going to be very relevant for fantasy.
58:12How many targets did you guys project him for?
58:15Because we have our projections. Because he had 140 last year.
58:18Look, two years ago, too. I know. 140. He's playing in Tennessee now.
58:23What do you have him at? I have him down for 115.
58:27Okay. I thought you were going to say 50.
58:29It's like, whoa, Michael! So... I have him 112.
58:32Yeah, that's just hard for me to get him to a point where he's in the top 30.
58:38Mm-hmm. Yeah, I mean... I like the player, and I like him for Cam Ward a lot.
58:44Like, I like... Cam Ward has the potential to have a step forward this year, big time.
58:49Yeah, he does, thanks to Carnell Tate. And Wandale.
58:52Carnell Tate is pretty much the only player that I want.
58:56Like, if I leave a draft and I have Carnell Tate, I'm excited.
59:00If I leave a draft and I have Tony Pollard, I go, I had to do it.
59:05You know, it's like, oh, I was in a position where I just had to take him.
59:11The Tony Pollard pick is so funny. Four years of 1,000 yards, it speaks to...
59:16Like, this is a quality player. We had the, you know, two years ago, oh, we're going to timeshare the running backs.
59:23And then I was like, oh, no, well, it actually is just Pollard.
59:27And you're like, this year... Or two years ago, I'm sorry.
59:31And then last year, they're like, hey, we're going to do it again.
59:35But they did. You know, the first 12 games, Pollard, he's averaging around, you know, 15 touches per game and not producing at all.
59:43But then the final five games, he turned into a workhorse.
59:4620 touches per game up to 15 fantasy points.
59:49So I bring that up as if Dable workhorses Tony Pollard, it's going to go from that pick that you just, you regret the moment you do it.
59:58It's fantasy vegetables, Mike. Through week... And then week one happens.
60:02If all of a sudden Tony Pollard's getting, you know, 18 or more opportunities, you're going to be thrilled that he's on your team.
60:10Yeah, to me, Tony Pollard's 29. He's not getting better.
60:13He's getting worse as a player. So he's fantasy vegetables to me.
60:17Sounds like David Montgomery. His last two years running back 22, 23.
60:21He said 29 like it's a bad thing. I think the big difference here.
60:25I'm saying that you don't have upside in the player.
60:28So what situation do you care about? I care about 10, 15 wins, not four.
60:33That's all I'm saying. Like Pollard was, he played 17 full weeks last year, 283 opportunities, and finished as a running back 23.
60:41And that's what you're going to be in the range of.
60:44Like if it all goes well, you got RB 23.
60:47That's my worry about Pollard. Yeah, it's just touchdowns and the offense.
60:51I mean, he had 1,000 yards and he played every game and all that, but he had five touchdowns.
60:57And you just can't be very fantasy relevant. No, and we always love the 1,000-yard marker.
61:03That's 58 yards a game. I mean, it's fine.
61:06But it's not going to make a big difference.
61:08Carnell Tate. Jason, you're the highest. You have him ranked at wide receiver 27 or 26.
61:14I have him at 27. Mike at 33. We all projected him for seven touchdowns.
61:19I just moved him up, guys, live. Did you?
61:21I did. A live adjustment to Carnell Tate? Yep.
61:24I gave him a couple more points on the target percentage.
61:28Was it the fact that Cam Ward was the number one ranked quarterback in completion percentage over expectation in the red zone?
61:35Was that what talked you into it? No, it was more like, he's got to have way more targets than Wandale.
61:42Come on, what are we doing here? Oh, okay.
61:45Yeah. If the Titans end up not doing that, again, egregious mistake.
61:49And by the way, Tajay Spears, they still talk about him in the committee with the rest of this team.
61:55I don't know what we think about him at this point.
61:59I think he's fine. He's one of those, I think he is best utilized in small doses, be a high efficiency, low
62:06volume NFL player, which makes him irrelevant for fantasy.
62:09If one of these backs ends up having a really, really good year, it's probably Pollard, then I think it's probably Singleton after that before Spears.
62:17Yeah, I think part of last year's Pollard, or the Pollard fatigue in Tennessee is like, Spears also didn't play the first
62:24four weeks, and we're like, oh, Pollard's the dude, and then he just did nothing for the first four weeks.
62:31It wasn't good touches. So I guess we have to decide who was going to win the division, and I've been talking,
62:38so I need you to talk so I can think about it for a second.
62:43Well, I need to think about that. You guys didn't jod down your...
62:47I've already got mine. I was busy with my Wandale arguments.
62:51I've got mine. I think that it is... I mean, this is a difficult division because obviously Houston, Jacksonville, Indy, they're going
62:58to play each other, and how you win those games really affects...
63:02We were looking at the stats last year of how we picked them, and as soon as you get the first...
63:08the division winner wrong, all the dominoes fall exactly...
63:11So get the division winner right. All right, then I believe the division winner will be Houston.
63:17Do you want to give your other four teams?
63:20Sure. No, I will give my other three teams.
63:23I have Houston winning. I go Houston, Jacksonville, Indianapolis, Tennessee.
63:26Houston, Jacksonville, Tennessee, Indy. Oh, putting Indy at the bottom.
63:29Get wrecked! I have the same as Jason. I want to be spicy and put the Colts above the Jags, but I
63:36don't have the stones to do it. Okay. You don't.
63:39Saturday, the AFC East. We'll be breaking down that division and then the AFC West on Tuesday.
63:45The next Thursday, we'll get into another mock draft episode.
63:48I think we're going to do a 10-man mock.
63:51So that'll be fun. Who knows? You better tune in and find out.
63:55Yeah, we got three shows a week right now, five starting in August.
64:00The Ultimate Draft Kit available at ultimatedraftkit.com. And a live show in August.
64:04And a live show at the end of August, August 28th at the Van Buren in Phoenix.
64:09If you want to go to ballerslive.com, you can learn more about that.
64:13We would love to see you there. We have a lot of special things planned for the live show, and it's just
64:21a great chance to connect before the season kicks off.
64:24And I can put away one more year of rebuilding Interdynasty league.
64:28Just three more to go. Just three more to go.
64:31Closer to your 2028 picks. All right, that'll do it.
64:34Thank you for joining us. A lot of lively debates on today's show.
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