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0:48To the Fantasy Footballers Podcast with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike Wright.
0:53Oh, welcome in. Tuesday, July 7th. The Fantasy Footballers Podcast.
0:57That's F-O-O-T. Footballers. Not to be confused with. No, not be a football.
1:01No, football. Bro, we're done. We're done with that.
1:04Tapping out for four years? Come back later. On to the real football.
1:08That's pretty embarrassing, though. That's pretty embarrassing. I don't even know what you're talking about, so.
1:14That's pretty embarrassing. Well, what you missed, Mike, is I played goalie for the United States last night.
1:19And this was my first time playing soccer or football.
1:23So, my bad. My bad, America. Yeah. And our country says goodbye to soccer for another four years.
1:29But that is not what this show is about.
1:32We're happy to be back with you. It is a Tuesday episode.
1:36We begin our divisional breakdown episodes. It's go time, baby.
1:39Yeah. Something happens over the summer when you hit a certain point.
1:43And then the highlights that you're watching of players start to get you tingly.
1:47Like you're just ready for the season to begin and for things to actually matter.
1:52And to draft Jameer Gibbs at number one in our league of record.
1:57Any of those things. That'll be fun for you.
2:00On the way. But today we're talking AFC North.
2:03Divisional breakdown shows begin. As do three shows a week.
2:06We are into that time of the year. Five shows a week starting in August.
2:11We've got our big live event at the end of August.
2:14We've got the kickoff to the season shortly after that.
2:18The draft kit is flowing. The updates are going.
2:21Nice. Yeah, I got you back. Nice. Driving bars.
2:24That was the first thing that, yeah, that was great.
2:27You guys are a rhyming duo. Oh, we're back.
2:30We are so back. But no, we didn't get to say it because like we pre-recorded last week's shows.
2:36We were all on separate family trips, getting some vacation time in before the season begins.
2:42Ironically, Jason was in, he was on a cruise.
2:44We went to the Caribbean. Yes. I went to the heat.
2:48Mike and I were both in Alaska, not together.
2:51Correct. You were in Anchorage. Yes. Were you there the whole time?
2:55Did you guys run into each other? No. No, I didn't go to Anchorage.
3:00Pretty big place. I was in Anchorage for most of the time, but then I was in Girdwood for a few days.
3:07That sounds made up. Girdwood? Yeah. Yeah. Shout out to the 20 people that live.
3:12Dude, they were having like this huge event and I was like, what people live in Girdwood?
3:17Oh, the Girdwood Fest? Oh, man. Yeah. You don't even know.
3:21I thought about going. But no, we cruised to Alaska.
3:24I had never been on a cruise before. That was fun.
3:28And it was much colder than wherever you were, Jason.
3:31Yeah. You were sweating? Yes. But we're excited to be back.
3:35We didn't get a chance to talk about July 1st is when the draft analyzer released.
3:40So the UDK in its full form, I guess, is available now.
3:44So you can basically sync with your league, analyze your draft, see a breakdown of basically your strengths and weaknesses, how you
3:51align with each of us, different tips and tricks based on your roster.
3:56It's a great tool you'll be using a lot over the next couple of months into your regular drafts.
4:02We also have a big, big upgrade coming to the UDK very, very soon.
4:07It's very exciting. And it's going to work with the draft analyzer very well to help you guys prepare for drafts.
4:13It's probably the biggest feature being added since we've ever launched the UDK.
4:18And it's not at an extra cost or anything.
4:21You just get a huge upgrade to the UDK.
4:24It should be, I mean, I think next week or two.
4:27Whoa, whoa. You might see it up here. Just log in.
4:31Go to myudk.com and look from time to time.
4:34Download the app. Where would someone purchase such an incredible tool first?
4:38The app will be the place where that finds its way first.
4:42UltimateDraftKit.com. Yeah, yeah. But lots to talk about there.
4:45We've got news to catch you up on. Let's get into it right now.
4:49News and notes from around the league. If possible, Brandon Aika has become crazier since we left.
4:55Oh, yeah. It's possible. It is possible because he's proven it.
4:59Every video he posts gets crazier and crazier. And I remember the Antonio Brown hit that changed him.
5:05Yeah. I don't remember the Brandon Aiyuk one. I thought he was not playing football while he went crazy.
5:11But something happened. If you are unaware, he just is basically posting videos of himself on the reg just going crazy.
5:18Just talking nonsense. He has been very vocal of that he would like to be released by the 49ers.
5:24And? And then go sign with the Washington Commanders to play with Jaden Daniels, his best friend, who now he is in
5:31a fight with online and in social media. And then some people are saying it's fake.
5:37Listen. Didn't seem. Here's exactly how the NFL works.
5:39It's very weird. It works this way for psychiatric problems.
5:43It works this way for legal problems. If you can still run 22 miles an hour on the field, he will find a way to play football.
5:52A team will endure anything. Maybe. And if you listen to George Kittle talk about Brandon Aiyuk, despite saying, hey, if you
5:59want him, you get a deal with all of that, he still said, I mean, he's running faster than he ever ran before the injury.
6:07I think he will find his way into a football field.
6:11The thing is, is he's on a football team.
6:14And that's his problem. If he was released, if he was a free agent, he would absolutely find a buyer.
6:20But the San Francisco 49ers have the option to just say he was put onto what?
6:26I've never heard of that before. Left team list or something?
6:29The left team list. If I'm not. Look, if he wasn't good at football, we would never talk about him again.
6:36That's all I'm saying. And I think we'll talk about him again.
6:40I don't know if it'll be this year. I don't know.
6:44I don't know when it'll be. I don't know.
6:47But if you can run 22 miles an hour and play wide receiver and get that contract and you still got it, then you'll find a team.
6:56The problem is the 40. All the power is with the 49ers.
7:00Oh, I get it. And with this new list.
7:03They can give him a smack. Well, I'm saying with the list, which we are just hearing about, this left team list.
7:10Yeah. That seems like you're just like, see you later until Brandon Ayoub wants to actually talk to us and play ball.
7:17Yeah, that'll happen at some point. From a couple hours ago, Brandon Ayoub says he won't be filing for reinstatement because he
7:24doesn't want to do business with the team. Under this scenario, the 49ers can leave him on the left squad list.
7:31He would remain on the team, but not count against the roster or receive pay.
7:36So that's... No, he's received a lot of pay already.
7:39Well, yes. In the past. Patrick Mahomes reported by Albert Breer that he's training towards being cleared for 11 on 11 work at the start of training camp.
7:49Okay, we'll take it. Kirk Cousins took all the first team reps in the offseason practices.
7:54Yep. That makes sense. Well, that, you know, it's because Mendoza was...
7:58Oh, yeah. He was cruising with you. He was on a cruise.
8:02How do you know he was on a cruise, Andy?
8:05Tell us. Because my son took a picture with him.
8:08That was a random thing to find on an Alaskan cruise.
8:12Yeah. That's where we got all the information that Cousins is taking all the first team reps.
8:18Yes. Here's what happened. I was on... We were on the cruise, and as one does, you get texts from your kids rather than seeing them.
8:26So I was getting a text from my son on the cruise that said, Fernando Mendoza is on board.
8:33And I said, no, he's not. He's at OTA getting reps with the team.
8:37That doesn't make any sense. And then I got a picture.
8:41Yeah. And indeed, he was. Yeah. But yeah, I think, you know, the process here for the Raiders is pretty simple.
8:48You're going to let Kirk Cousins play some games.
8:51You're going to probably lose them. Eventually, the groundswell will be strong enough to get your rookie in there.
8:57And, you know, it's not like there's a laundry list of wide receivers that were like, oh boy, we really need one
9:04of these quarterbacks to give us value. Are they the weirdest team?
9:08The Raiders? When it comes to the wide receiver depth chart you've ever seen?
9:13Yeah. I mean, they're up there with, you know, the Dolphins and some other teams where it's like, I don't know.
9:20But the truth is, they have two stars. Yes.
9:23And it's just a weird combination where it's your, I guess it's like the Cardinals, right?
9:28You've got a superstar tight end and running back.
9:31And that's where you expect most of the work to go.
9:35I mean, Jalen Aylor definitely picked the right team to sign with.
9:38To look real nice. Chris Rodriguez, there was a report from the Athletics saying, don't be surprised if he carves out an important role.
9:46There was also a report. The quotes? Don't be surprised.
9:50I know. If he could do something. We've got to do more of those.
9:54Oh, I know. We've got to break news. There's an authority to do those kind of posts.
10:00It is. Listen, don't be surprised if, insert name here, plays football for them.
10:04I said, with all due respect. It didn't happen.
10:07Oh, I said, don't be surprised. I didn't say it was going to happen.
10:12Were you surprised when it didn't happen? Listen, LaQuint Allen was making headlines last week as well.
10:18I told this to Jason yesterday. Not to buy into hype train too much because we've got it from all three now.
10:25LaQuint Allen should be third down back for Jacksonville.
10:28They like him. They want to use him there.
10:31Chris Rodriguez is a thumper. He was the, you know, he was at Kentucky with Liam Cohen and he, 1200 yards and,
10:38you know, maybe he's the goal linebacker. And then Basial Tootin, the younger, you know, player with more upside.
10:44There's a chance Jacksonville is a really great offense with two frustrating situations at wide receiver and in the backfield.
10:51Could be. Because, you know, on one hand. I won't be surprised.
10:55Yeah. Don't be surprised. I won't be surprised. No.
10:58Whatever you say, I won't be surprised. You will not be surprised.
11:02Both, Liam Cohen has shown a willingness to spread the ball around.
11:06So there's one player that benefits from success on offense no matter what happens in the backfield or in the wide receiver room.
11:13And that's Trevor Lawrence. But Brenton Strange has got a contract.
11:17Parker Washington. Have you seen the numbers for slot wide receivers with Liam Cohen and his career?
11:23They're pretty good. They're unbelievable. Everybody he's ever had.
11:26And that's Parker Washington. And then all the offseason high.
11:29Brian Thomas Jr. The chemistry is really there this year.
11:32Oh, yeah. You got Travis Hunter still. Oh, you got Jacoby Myers.
11:36I mean, that's a lot of mouths to feed.
11:39And then, oh, we're going to pass to some of these running backs.
11:43And then LeQuint Allen's going to catch the ball.
11:46Like, Bachel Tudon can catch it. Yes, he can.
11:49So I don't know. I feel like it is a little bit messy.
11:54Yeah. I mean, it's a reason to go in on Horse Boy.
11:58If you want. Oh, man. I forgot about that.
12:01We forgot about that. Oh, there he is. Yeah, Horse Boy.
12:04There he is with his fake haircut. Trevor Lawrence, a young stallion, he'll be valuable for fantasy.
12:10I don't think there's a world where he gets as much rushing touchdowns as he had last year, so the passing numbers will have to come up.
12:19But it could happen. I mean, losing Travis Achan Jr., being in a second year in the system, I think it...
12:26I like Trevor Lawrence. What is our rule here?
12:29What are we doing with the Achan thing? I don't know.
12:32The first announcer says ETN, we're good, right? That's why we say Travis Achan Jr.
12:37Exactly. You have to say the whole thing. Travis.
12:40Travis. No, don't do this. Hey, you said it.
12:43I made a mistake. Don't be surprised if I say Travis now.
12:47Having said all that, I am still very, very in on Tootin, for the time being.
12:52Don't be surprised if I change my opinion. Are you...
12:56I mean, is he in my guy category? We're pretty close, man.
13:00I am very excited about the player, the opportunity, and the offense.
13:03It all makes sense. I don't know, man. Another report comes out, don't be surprised if Chris Rodriguez carves out in an
13:11important role, but he's not even playing football right now.
13:14They expect him to be full go for training camp.
13:17That's the last report. But no, he's not playing football.
13:21I mean, clearly not a lot of people are playing football.
13:24They're taking cruises right now. Up till this point, nothing super matters because the training camp can change everything.
13:30Basel Tootin, for me, is the running back 27 in my UDK rankings.
13:35I don't know where he is for you guys.
13:38Let me find him real quick. I'm not a subscriber, so I wouldn't know.
13:42I am at 24 currently. Okay. 24 as well.
13:45I have C-Rod, Crod, as we call him. Crod.
13:48I have 47. 49, so we're similar. Okay. Al said, Brandon Auk needs to take a cruise and not buy the Wi-Fi package.
13:56You are not wrong. The gap between being crazy and letting people know you're crazy- Yeah, it's an important one.
14:02It's too- You need a bigger gap than that.
14:05And you know what is usually the protective layer?
14:08The agent who he fired. Hey, get an agent and they will be like- I am my own PR.
14:15Give me your phone right now. Our guy needs some friends.
14:18He needs to be grounded. He needs some friends right now.
14:22He filmed himself in a closet taking 50s out of a backpack and throwing them on the ground.
14:28He filmed himself just getting closer and closer to the camera.
14:31Just circling back and then be like, look, I'm closer.
14:35Look, I'm closer. Look, I'm closer. Have you guys seen that one?
14:39Yeah. Yeah, I saw it. I did not see this.
14:42It's a great screenshot for different reactions. Oh. Yeah, don't buy the Wi-Fi.
14:46He was so good. Somebody go- One year. Somebody go disconnect his router and he'll never know.
14:52He would never know. He'll just be talking into his phone and no one will see it.
14:58Yook. Someone help him, please. Ah, yuck. Okay. We'll take a quick break because I want to jump into the AFC North Divisional Breakdown.
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15:54Let's get divisional. All right. It is that time of year.
15:58This does feel like the series of shows where we turn the corner on the season getting ready to start in training camp.
16:05Was that a new graphic up there? No, sir.
16:08Okay. It was new last year. Well, I just watched it for the first time.
16:13It's pretty nice. I like it. All right. A reminder of what these shows are all about.
16:19We're starting with the AFC North. They are a general overview of the offseason changes.
16:24It might be about, you know, different players that were added, subtracted, rookies, head coaching changes.
16:29Yep. We're starting with the AFC North. How the offense might function this year.
16:33Our takes on win totals. Who could win the division.
16:37We looked back at the stats and it was pretty close last year, I think, in terms of getting, you know, I
16:44might have won by one pick or something like that.
16:47But we were all pretty close on getting some of the teams.
16:51I think it was 10-9-9 on getting teams right in terms of division picks.
16:56Here we are. The AFC North. If you remember...
16:59This one, just like everyone expected. It was decided in week 18.
17:03If you remember Pittsburgh, last second touchdown, Calvin Austin.
17:06Yes, the Steelers won the division. 10-7. And you know what?
17:09Just saying it like that, I'm going to get so much hate.
17:13But let's be honest. Like, what? What was that team?
17:17They won seven... In their one-score games, they went 7-3.
17:20And we've seen this so many... Time after time after time.
17:24When the ball bounces your way in all the close-scoring games, it's not sticky.
17:28Well, I mean, it might be for them because they just never seem to lose.
17:33But a huge change, you know? The Mike Tomlin era is over.
17:37During 19 seasons as a head coach, Mike Tomlin never finished with a losing record.
17:42Sounds like someone who just lost his job. No, he walked away.
17:46He walked away, Mike. Yeah. Their win total last year was 8.5.
17:50Vegas' preseason win total. They were 7-3 in one-score games.
17:53This year, their preseason win total, 8.5. And Warren Sharp has their strength of schedule at 18.
17:59But a first-place schedule means they'll be playing in New England, in Pittsburgh...
18:03Or, sorry, in Philly. Also, they'll play in Pittsburgh.
18:06Denver, they'll play this year. They were not... The reason that we say that, and it's not...
18:12Look, on one hand, incredible job by Mike Tomlin and this team.
18:16They always find a way to be resilient, to win close games.
18:20I would not just attribute that to luck. I would attribute it to veteran quarterback mixed with good coaching.
18:26But this was the 26th-ranked offense in yards per game.
18:29So, it wasn't an offense in fantasy that we enjoyed.
18:32I mean, when Kenny Gainwell leads the way for your team in terms of receiving, after you paid DK Metcalf, you know,
18:40none of the hyper-excitement around the tight ends paid off.
18:43I was looking at... They have the most vacated targets in the NFL.
18:47And I was like, how? They didn't lose anyone.
18:50They lost, like, Calvin Austin and John U. Smith.
18:53Oh, Kenny Gainwell. When that is... Which, by the way, those were probably...
18:57I mean, DK Metcalf was bad. Yeah. So, those were your targets.
19:01Johnny Smith was a big target. Well, they've... This is going to be a crazy change because you have both.
19:08You have a big change in the players and, at the same time, a big change in the philosophy of the team.
19:15Like, Tomlin was a known commodity. And while, obviously, you've got Mike McCarthy, who we've got plenty of years with him, this
19:23is a new experience, new team, new players. Whereas, Mike Tomlin, I just felt like you kind of knew exactly what you were going to get.
19:31Hopefully, you have much more passing this year. I think we've seen that from Mike McCarthy.
19:36The fact that they went out and got Michael Pittman, you know, traded for him, paid him.
19:42They drafted Jeremy Bernard with one of their high draft capital picks.
19:46Yeah, as a second-round pick. I mean, this looks like a team that wants to pass the ball more than what Mike Tomlin did.
19:54Well, I mean, even if they don't, the fact you have the most vacated targets, Johnny Smith, Kenny Game, while Calvin Austin
20:01leaving, Pittman should get a ton of targets. They brought in Rico Dowdle.
20:05Jeremy Bernard will have an opportunity to crack into the rotation.
20:09But I also think... He's competing with Roman Wilson right now for...
20:13Okay, so he'll win that. He probably should, yes.
20:16I will say this, like, with the vacated targets...
20:19I won't be surprised. You won't be surprised. Thank you, Mike.
20:23You are really going in on that line. I think Pat Friermuth is the biggest sleeper on the team.
20:29Really? In terms of... The Muth? I think he's the biggest sleeper on the team.
20:34Yeah, I think... He's been so tight. He's got to get Luth again.
20:38You're saying because of the Kenny Gainwell type of targets that are...
20:42And Johnny Smith being gone. I mean, both of those situations...
20:46And, you know, Michael Pittman will get his. Because I just think if you wanted to tell me, like, pick a tight
20:53end that just out of nowhere has 10 touchdowns this year.
20:56I think Pat Friermuth is my answer to that question.
21:00It doesn't mean that... If Arthur were there, I think I would agree.
21:04Yeah, I mean, that's another big change. Brian Angelico is taking over.
21:08Arthur Smith is gone. Last year, they were tied for the lowest percentage of targets to the wide receiver position.
21:15At 45%. Which is... Yeah, but what percentage of your own targets, if you're a quarterback, would you throw to DK Metcalf?
21:22Me? Me? Yeah, you personally. You're dropping back to pass.
21:25Me? I don't even like it, but I still would hyper-target him.
21:29Yeah. He's gigantic. It would have been like 30% last year.
21:33So, look. The offense is going to be something we're paying close attention to in terms of what does Aaron Rodgers have left?
21:40Can... You know, it's one thing to say they want to pass it more.
21:45It's another thing to say, like, the depth of target...
21:48Yeah. ...the... You know, it fits Pittman. It fits Friermuth.
21:51It fits backfield targets for Jalen Warren. It doesn't fit...
21:55Heidenreich. Yeah, go. Sure. Just throw more names in there.
21:58Pick. Seventh round. Yeah. Hopefully, miss it. The Swiss Army Knight.
22:02Let me just... No. No, no, no. Swiss Navy.
22:05No. You don't get to talk about... I know.
22:08...any Pittsburgh depth at running back for one year.
22:11I agree. You get one year. All right. I'll take my...
22:14You get one year off. All right. I agree.
22:17He's also going to be on the practice squad.
22:20Hopefully. So enjoy that. Maybe. So let's talk fantasy, though.
22:23Yes. Let's talk how we're actually viewing, I think, the big names.
22:27Metcalf, Pittman, Jalen Warren, and maybe the Rico Dowdle.
22:30What that looks like in the equation. Yeah. For me, when I went back and I watched the tape of Aaron Rodgers,
22:38he looked like he had to check everything down.
22:41When I watched his clean pocket 20-plus air yard throws, it was really bad.
22:45I mean, I don't know that he really has that in his arsenal anymore, and I don't think it was a weapon problem.
22:53I mean, Calvin Austin can get open deep. DK Metcalf is good enough to receive those targets.
22:58They were very bad. This is why, personally, I have Michael Pittman leading in targets, because I think they might not be
23:06as valuable as deep down the field, but I think the possession type of receiver is something they really, really need.
23:13So for fantasy purposes, I don't think there's going to be a lot to love here, but I do have personally Pittman in the lead at targets.
23:21Mike, if you look at your rankings, do you have Pittman or DK Metcalf leading in fantasy points in like a half point?
23:29I have Metcalf higher with just some more touchdown opportunity, but neither of them are ranked out of control.
23:35They don't look like primary targets, I would say, in the draft.
23:39I have Metcalf ahead of Pittman in fantasy points total.
23:43Targets were more ahead in Pittman, and both outside the top 30.
23:47The number one Pittsburgh player off the board in fantasy right now.
23:50Do you want to guess the round? Eight. Yeah, I feel like it's...
23:55No. No. Is Metcalf dropping to the eighth? I'll go seventh.
23:58The first Pittsburgh player off the board in fantasy right now is Jalen Warren in the sixth round.
24:04Okay. Jalen Warren, one thing to pay attention to there, like the workload has increased year over year.
24:10Averaged 16 opportunities a game last year. But if you look at his five zone carries, the opportunities he had to get
24:18into the end zone, he converted four of 14.
24:20So 29%. Whereas you look at Rico Dowdle, he converted six of his eight opportunities last year in Carolina.
24:27Yeah, I'm... The backfield I do think is interesting.
24:30Not sure which of them is going to end up being the leader, but just a reminder, Rico Dowdle played with Mike
24:37McCarthy when Rico had his breakout year in Dallas.
24:40He wanted to. What's that? I said he really wanted to play for Mike McCarthy.
24:45Well, he did. No, I... When he broke out and had 1,000 rushing yards, when he had to take the job away from Ezekiel Elliott, and Rico's...
24:54Like, Rico's not a nothing in the passing game.
24:57You don't think of him that way, but he's actually solid.
25:00Like, he... His hands are fine, and you can get it going.
25:04I'm not saying he's better than Jalen Warren, but I'm saying in terms of him just being on the field, like he
25:12can operate in that part of the offense as well.
25:15So I lean... You lean on the Rico side?
25:18Based off of ADP and everything, I lean on the Rico side.
25:22Yeah, it's an argument to be made that you get the discount to take the second guy going later.
25:28I assume he's at least around later, but sometimes in mocks I've seen him go, like, back to back.
25:34No, he's around and a half later? I would take the bet on Jalen Warren simply because Aaron Rodgers, Mike McCarthy, they've played together before.
25:43Aaron Rodgers is going to check the ball down, but Aaron Rodgers wants, like, he's got the quick step drop where he
25:50is timing and rhythm, and he wants this guy in the exact right spot.
25:54I think Dowdle is a better athlete, more explosive.
25:57But Warren, the way that Rodgers talked about him last year, I know he got injured and then Kenny Gainwell kind of
26:05stepped in, but the way he talked about Warren was like that veteran who he can rely on.
26:11And so I do think that's who Rodgers is going to want on the field.
26:16He could, that's a huge part of it that we don't know.
26:19Yeah. But just like Rico, you know, and the, his two year, we'll go the past three years, he was, his catch rate is great.
26:28It's 77% or higher, you know, yards per catch, eight and a half down to 6.4 and then 7.6 this past year with Carolina.
26:36They're just, he, he has it is what I'm saying.
26:39So if I'm making the, the bet in the draft, the more, while Warren probably profiles as the, the past catcher, there's
26:46a chance that Rico's the first and second down guy, which he'll still get plenty of targets playing for Rodgers.
26:53If that's his role plus goal line, hasn't, that has me leading lean Dowdle in the draft.
26:58By the way, the last three teams and seasons that Rodgers has played 14 fantasy points, 15 fantasy points, 14 fantasy points per game.
27:06So we are, we are many years removed from.
27:09Yeah. Now split that up amongst all the targets.
27:12Yeah. That, that is a huge problem. I will say only 54 targets for Frymuth last year in this offense.
27:19He's had seasons of 98 and in seventies multiple times.
27:22Just keep it in the very deep recesses of your mind and probably don't worry about it too much.
27:28All right. Baltimore, the Baltimore Ravens. Um, I mean, what a, they have seen North is full of a lot of transition
27:36from, you know, long 10 years of the head coaching position last year, the projected win total 10 and a half.
27:43They were two and five and one score game.
27:45So you talk about the inverse of, of what the, you know, the Steelers did.
27:50That's something that you could see, especially with Lamar Jackson being healthy.
27:54Two and five is pretty extreme. They went eight and nine.
27:58Their win total this year is up to 11 and a half.
28:02I think there's a lot of excitement about Baltimore.
28:05They were 10th in points per game last year on the offensive side, 15th in yards per game, but a brand new
28:12head coach, Jesse Minter, Declan Doyle, year one offensive coordinator.
28:15So before we get into the names and the players, just your reaction to the change.
28:21Harbaugh and Tomlin had been the rivalry for years and years and years.
28:25Now you've got a young defensive minded head coach and Jesse Minter.
28:29How do you feel about the transition? The, for the transition, I'm fine.
28:33You know, I mean, overall we are, we side on, you'd rather have your, your offensive mastermind being your head coach because you like Declan Doyle's coming in.
28:43He's the, he is a protege of the Ben Johnson system, which that's super exciting.
28:47You know, like we had the McVay guys leave out and scatter amongst the NFL.
28:52And it really, those are the teams that we go after for fantasy football.
28:57Ben Johnson, I think is going to have the same type of tree.
29:01Like he's his offense. He's just, Ben Johnson's smarter than you are.
29:05Like, that's just how I feel about him. So Declan Doyle coming down is exciting for this year.
29:11I just, you would be, or if I'm Baltimore, I'd be concerned that you, if you're good, you're going to lose Declan Doyle, but that's longer term.
29:20Yes. That's the zoomed out long-term version. But for this year, I think it's pretty exciting.
29:25Yeah. And I think that the wind total says a lot about what's expected.
29:30Jason, do you have thoughts on that transition? Yeah.
29:33I mean, I, I don't, I don't see it as an up arrow because Todd Monkin was someone we loved.
29:40It's not like you're going from a bad offensive mind.
29:43You know, Todd Monkin in year two, two years ago with Lamar was unbelievable.
29:47You know, Lamar put up, you know, fantasy breaking stats again.
29:51And so I, I do like Declan Doyle. I think he might be good, but good to me is sideways.
29:58The, the wind percentage I think is fantastic. The fact that they're projected for 11 and a half with the sixth easiest
30:05schedule coming up, that gives me excitement more for really Derrick Henry.
30:09Uh, the, the running game. I think that, um, obviously at some point the immortal one will have to shed his, you
30:16know, his Yeti, uh, fur, but until it happens, I'm going to assume that, you know, I'm going to, I'm going to take the age ism, uh, deduction.
30:25Yeah. And I, and I'll, I'll be drafting Derrick Henry.
30:29You just want that guy that's built same size as like a Jalen Brunson.
30:33He's got the pounds on him, but same height.
30:36Yes. That's such a funny. We were just laughing at like whenever you compare NBA players height to the biggest guys in
30:43the NFL, how comical it is, but like Jalen Brunson's the same height.
30:48If Derrick Henry were on an NBA court, you'd be like, who's that little guy?
30:53Yeah. It's like crazy, crazy. 27 carries inside the five.
30:56So he is an outlier. I'm with you. I would buy into another year of Derrick Henry.
31:02I mean, what are, what are your options for if you're Baltimore?
31:06Yeah. I mean, it's justice Hill, Rasheed Ali. I know that Hill's always around.
31:10Yes, he is. They drafted a guy that we liked in the draft process and Adam Randall, because he's a converted wide receiver to running back.
31:19And also when they say they drafted the owner, drafted and handpicked him.
31:23Justice Hill hasn't had a key to the building in five years, but he just waits for somebody to open the front door and he slips in.
31:32And yet he remains the insurance back. He is.
31:35And, you know, we've had a lot of conversations, I think, about the wide receiver position and what to expect.
31:41Eklund Doyle, like you said, there's excitement in the schedule.
31:45It's good. Zay Flowers has been their dude in the wide receiver room.
31:49It's been an offense where we've seen it filter through the tight end position.
31:54We've had Mark Andrews have elite years. We've had Isaiah likely involved in the offense.
31:59Zay Flowers is their guy. His target share has gone up each of the three seasons.
32:04I am more, I think I'm softening a negative stance on Flowers for a couple of reasons.
32:10Yes. I don't think that, you know, I'm not going to look at like acquisitions of Jacoby Lane, Elijah Surratt as, you know, target challenges to Zay Flowers.
32:19And also it's the draft costs. I mean, if I can get Zay Flowers in the fifth round.
32:25Yeah, welcome aboard. That's just too good of an opportunity.
32:28It's just too good. I mean, Lamar Jackson had 9% of his attempts as end zone attempts.
32:34That's the highest rate in the entire NFL. He likes Zay Flowers.
32:38And I don't think that we should. If you told me he's getting drafted at where he finished last year, I'm out.
32:45Yeah, he was, you know, the worst wide receiver seven of all time.
32:49But he was still the wide receiver seven. But you're not drafting him like that.
32:54You're drafting him as a, you know, mid wide receiver two.
32:58He might be my wide receiver three. Absolutely. In the fifth round.
33:02That's fine. And I'm fine drafting a guy there that you know is going to be the leader.
33:08You know Zay Flowers is the leader of a good offense.
33:11That's all you know. Now, I also feel like we can reliably say we know he's not getting double digit touchdowns.
33:18I don't think that's, I don't think at the end of his career you're going to be like, oh, that was his outlier with 10 touchdowns.
33:27I think it'll be like, oh, he had six as his career high.
33:31No, I mean, he's been 5-4-5. You're not going to get that.
33:35Those end zone targets that you're talking about? Those go to Mandrews.
33:39Yeah, those don't go to, there's not a lot of those going to Zay Flowers.
33:44But it is, let me see how many targets he had inside the red zone.
33:49He had 11 total targets in the red zone.
33:52One 5-zone target, 5-10-zone targets, had one touchdown in the red zone last year.
33:56What I like about Zay is the talent of the player.
34:00I think Zay Flowers is a top-tier wide receiver.
34:03He was not the archetype of, you know, the big number one guys out there.
34:08He was 5-9-1-80. But how shifty he is and his ability to get open are what's exciting about Zay Flowers.
34:14The proof is already there. Target share going up three straight years at 28% target share last year.
34:20That's an elite target share. And I view the change of offense here as a positive.
34:26A lot of the times you're like, oh, I would like things to stay the same.
34:31But the fact that it's changing and Zay Flowers will clearly be the number one option in the passing game.
34:37Like, it could get better. And like you said, Andy.
34:41Are you trying to project like an Amon Ross St.
34:44Brown situation for him with the tree, the Ben Johnson tree?
34:48I mean, it's the easy logical comparison, you know, of saying a smaller guy.
34:52Which, Amon Ross is smaller, but Zay Flowers is smaller than Amon Ross.
34:57So it's not a one-to-one. It makes sense for that type of a thing to happen.
35:02Where it's like, right now, the wide receiver two on the Baltimore Ravens is and remains Rashad Bateman.
35:08For the next four years, he's under contract. Who just keeps getting contract extensions with the Baltimore Ravens despite never coming through with anything.
35:16And then, you know, with Lane and Surratt being drafted this year, they're fighting to overtake Bateman.
35:21They aren't fighting to take over for Zay Flowers.
35:24By the way, Bateman threw his nine healthy games last year on pace for 60 targets and 30 catches.
35:31So, a player... Four more years! A player going where Zay Flowers is going, knowing I'm getting 25% at least of the targets.
35:38He's really interested. Are either of you taking a shot on one of the rookies?
35:43No. Not in redraft. Yeah. I'm probably just going to...
35:46The fact that you had to put it that way is part of the problem.
35:51The fact that... It reminds me of when we had a handful of Green Bay Packers rookies that you could have taken a shot on years ago.
36:00And it was like... Was Jacoby in the third round?
36:04Jacoby Lane was drafted ahead of Elijah. I don't remember the...
36:07But not by a lot. I mean, it was like third and fourth round.
36:12And here's my problem with it is I feel like you have to win...
36:16You've got to win the lottery twice. You've got to have the rookie have the first year impact in the third or
36:24fourth round of the draft on a team that hasn't had anybody outside of Flowers make any impact.
36:30Then you've got to get the right one. Yeah.
36:33So that is something... Look, if you watch training camp...
36:36You're right. And one emerges... And one is like, oh my gosh, this guy's amazing.
36:41Then maybe there's room. But... I'm rooting for you, Elijah.
36:44I really like Elijah Surratt. Yeah, you do like Surratt a lot.
36:48I would say there's two more major conversations on this team.
36:52One is Lamar Jackson. Just like, do you get the bounce back fantasy season from Lamar?
36:57I am fully in on Lamar. Last year... I feel the same way.
37:01I just... I'm deleting it. He was injured four different missed games.
37:05He was tough after week nine. And he's Lamar.
37:08They're 11 and a half win total. I'm totally fine drafting Lamar.
37:12Just for context, he was the number one quarterback in 2024 with 25 points a game.
37:17He dropped to 16 a game last year. That's his lowest since his rookie year.
37:22He had 349 rushing yards last year. And I know he was hurt, but that is...
37:28Yeah, I'm one jam. His yards per attempt were way down.
37:31And you might get a value on him. And then the last one is just the conversation around Mark Andrews.
37:38The statistical output for Andrews has declined year over year.
37:41Not the same player. Certainly a red zone threat at all times.
37:45But 11 fantasy points per game to nine to six.
37:48Only 70 targets the last two years. He's a touchdown machine.
37:52Yeah. He could easily have 10 touchdowns this year and you'll be fine for where you draft him in fantasy.
37:59If he doesn't get a touchdown in the game, he's no longer the possession guy.
38:03He's not going to be up there at 1,000 yards.
38:07Last year, in games where he didn't have a receiving touchdown, averaged 4.2 fantasy points per game.
38:12However, he's free. I don't even know if he's drafted in every league.
38:17He's also free of Isaiah Likely. And so, yeah.
38:20Isaiah Likely being gone. They brought in Smythe. So don't worry about it.
38:24And they paid Andrews. So he's still going to be very involved on a good team.
38:29I'm fine. Like, you know my strategy. I want one of those top-tier tight ends.
38:34And if not, I will grab whoever is left over.
38:37No, your strategy is Laporta at all costs. Based on our last draft.
38:42Laporta at a cost? Oh, okay. I mean, if he falls to an uprise, sure.
38:47But I am fine with scrap leftovers when there's guys like Mark Andrews who could go out, be undrafted, and score 10 touchdowns.
38:54Your mock draft ended up so good for you.
38:57I like it. Getting Josh Allen in the fifth round and then getting Laporta as late as you did.
39:03It's like the ninth. Your onesies were the biggest discounted players.
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39:52All right. Two teams we've talked about. Two more to go.
39:56The 6-11 Cincinnati Bengals. Oh, man. They had an 8.5 win total last year going into the season.
40:02They had a tough schedule. Ten of their games were against teams with a winning record, which was the most in the NFL.
40:09And a lot of those came down to the wire, and they didn't win a lot of those ones that came down to the wire.
40:18They were 3-5-1 scored games. We know Burrow. The story with Burrow is when he plays football and has a healthy chase in Higgins.
40:26He's awesome. It's pretty magma. And we also got to enjoy one of the worst defenses ever for Cincinnati.
40:32It was very enjoyable. We'll talk about that momentarily.
40:35But, you know, they lost back to that games last year where they scored 37-plus points in both of them.
40:41They lost to the Jets 39-38. They lost to the Bears 47-42.
40:45They gave up 39 points to the Jets? Yeah.
40:48I do not remember this. Man, that defense sucks.
40:51It's probably because you were too busy watching the fantasy points pile up on the offensive side.
40:57But the projected win total just jumped one game to 9-1.
41:00They have the third easiest rank to schedule, at least right now.
41:04That looks pretty good. Favored in 15 of 17 games.
41:08And they have a wild amount of games with huge lines.
41:11Like, you know, 50.4 as the total for a Dallas game.
41:15So, crazy. But let's talk about the big picture here for the fantasy production of this team.
41:21Let's start with that defense that was so atrocious that meant he had to score a ton of points.
41:27They did spend a lot of time this offseason.
41:30They made a huge trade for Dexter Lawrence. Jonathan Allen is there.
41:34That's huge. I mean, they brought in a safety.
41:37They brought in a defensive end. Their draft was focused there, rightly so.
41:41I think it will be an improved defense. But normally you see those transitions take a couple years to get to the
41:48point where, you know, I think Dallas will be better than they were last year.
41:53I think Cincinnati will be better than they were last year.
41:57But when you're 31st, you've got a long way to go.
42:00Oh, yeah. Get a little better. But just, you know, stay bottom third.
42:05Third, you know, they coming off of last year where they could not rely on a defense.
42:10I think that even if the defense is improved, this is going to be an offense with the pedal to the floor
42:18to avoid their defense giving up late. You know, I don't think this is going to be a team that's trying to,
42:25you know, halfway through the third quarter, run the ball out, slow it down.
42:29This is Joe Burrow's team. Yeah, well, that's, I mean, but even if they've got a lead and they think that they
42:37could do that, I think they're going to keep putting the ball in Burrow's hands, throw it a lot, score a ton of points.
42:45This is an offense that I think everyone wants.
42:48And while you're not going to get a discount on Chase, Burrow right now, you know, isn't being overdrafted.
42:54Are you both Lamar over Burrow in your rankings or do you have Burrow higher?
42:59I think that's an interesting one for people because like Lamar right now, ADP wise is the cheapest he's been over the
43:06last five years in the fourth round. I'm guessing Burrow's in a lot of leagues going ahead of him.
43:12Yeah. Right now I've got Lamar in both six point and four point ahead of Burrow.
43:18I have Burrow's ahead for me in six point.
43:21Here's what I think the format matters for these ones.
43:24I don't feel like Cincinnati is a difficult projection of a team.
43:28No, like what's wild is like Zach Taylor is going into his eighth year.
43:32Every other head coach in this entire division is a first year head coach.
43:37He's like the longest tenured guy by a long stretch.
43:40And we just know what to expect. We know that he's not going to do anything to like slow Burrow down or
43:48stop Burrow from throwing the ball as many times as he did last year.
43:52His final six weeks of the year, he was on a 17 game pace.
43:57Burrow was a 4,500 passing yards and 43 passing touchdowns.
44:00Now there was a desperation to that team trying to find a way to, you know, get close enough to where they
44:07could get help to get into the playoffs and all of that.
44:11You know, Burrow is always going to be a little bit of an injury risk, I think.
44:17I think we'd all. Yeah, he will be. Even when you drop back, like take the injury history aside.
44:23When you drop back and throw the ball that many times, it's a risk.
44:28Well, you have, well, we have six years of Joe Burrow and three of them, he's had catastrophic injury.
44:34Yeah. But the three where he's playing, you know, the full season, he's throwing for over 4,500 yards and 30 plus touchdowns.
44:41Yeah. I mean, for fantasy, this is really easy.
44:44All four guys are good. Burrow, Chase Brown, Tee Higgins, Chase Brown.
44:48Yep. Those four, where they're going in drafts, I am thrilled to have them on my team.
44:54I think they can be actual difference makers. I want pieces of this team.
44:58And the best part of getting pieces of this team is it's consolidated.
45:03No one else is really going to take away from those four players.
45:07So I think they are. I don't have a tight end to give you.
45:12You know what I mean? This is going to be.
45:15You do if Tee Higgins misses time. Mike Kosicki.
45:18Yeah. Sticky Kosicki. I don't like that nickname. But it rhymes.
45:22It's been a while since we've brought it up.
45:25And I now I'm like the Bengals. They're just great.
45:28They're they're just so fantastic for fantasy. They're very similar to Dallas.
45:32Legitimately. They're very similar situation. They really are. Because if George or CeeDee misses time, I'm very interested in Jake Ferguson.
45:39But otherwise. Otherwise, I'm not. No. And you love Pickens.
45:42You love CeeDee. You love Dak. No. I mean.
45:45Chase Brown, to me, yet again, is one of, I think, the best picks at ADP.
45:50One thing I didn't mention that I think, at least for these last two teams, is worth mentioning, is the start you're
45:57going to get in fantasy from these players. Mm-hmm.
46:00They're playing now four road games, but they're favored in all of them.
46:05And for Cincinnati, they're favored in five, but they have an early bye in week six.
46:10So, I mean, that's just worth noting. They're favored in four of the five.
46:15Sorry, four of the five. Yep. Houston, they are not in week two.
46:19Which we could use a stronger start from. Yes, we really could.
46:23It seems impossible for them to start. Week one, Burrow is always bad.
46:27They're at home against Tampa. He should be good, but it's always scary.
46:31Come on. You could do it this year, Burrow.
46:34We didn't talk about him extensively, but Chase Brown, how safe do you view him as a fantasy pick today?
46:41Incredibly. Super duper safe. He's so perfect because he's not a thumper.
46:45So, like you said, they're not going to have these big leads where they give the ball to a Derrick Henry that
46:52wears the game out, but he's always going to be out there on the field.
46:57He can catch the football. He was the fifth most receptions at the running back position.
47:02When they throw it to you and they give you touchdown opportunities and you're on a great offense, that's all I need.
47:10Who was the rumored free agent for Cincinnati? There was somebody that they were talking about could go there at running back.
47:17I know it'll never happen because Chase Brown's recent, like new ones.
47:21Yeah. Oh, uh, come. Oh, there was. Camara. There was a passing Alvin Camara, which is like when you located the source of it, it's, it's absolute nothingness.
47:30Okay. Well, also he could go there and I wouldn't care.
47:34By the way, the funny thing, uh, speaking of the Camara news, I saw somebody break down the metrics between Travis H.
47:41Chan Jr. Last year and Camara's numbers in terms of like all the efficiency metrics and they were the same.
47:48Really? Yeah. They were just the same, but talking about running the football.
47:52Yeah. They were not, um, that seems impossible. Yeah.
47:55It was an NFL rumors thing about the Bengals being linked to Alvin Camara.
47:59I'm not worried about it. That's the last thing I want to do if I'm Alvin Camara is leave.
48:06Yeah. I don't final year of just like, just, just be a legend in that city.
48:11But until it's like fits in Arizona. He wasn't going to go if anything or if nothing changes for Chase Brown, his
48:18competition will be soon to be 31 year old Samajay Pirine and Taj Brooks, a sixth round pick, which Chase Brown was a later pick as well.
48:27And Taj Brooks has his supporters, but Brooks could not get on.
48:31Like my dynasty team? Your dynasty? You have Taj Brooks?
48:34I don't know if I do anymore. Probably. I honestly don't.
48:38My dynasty team's nickname now is, is Michael is Matthew golden in the scraps.
48:43My team is so bad. So it's just called the scraps.
48:46It's just called the scrap. The rebuilding process in dynasty, just to give you the play by play.
48:52I'd haven't got to reflect on that yet because I've never done it.
48:56How's it going? It's miserable. It's necessary misery. Yeah.
48:59And it's multiple years if just, you know, you have to do it.
49:04It's like construction, man. Right. While it's going on.
49:07Sucks. You hate everything. I want those lanes open.
49:10Yeah. You're like, those, those guys don't make a living to construction when your situation because my rebuild is going to be five years.
49:18Wow. Just, it is very similar. Cause once it's done, you're like, you forget.
49:22Well, you forget about the construction. You're just like, Oh, this freeway now has two extra lanes.
49:28Yeah. I, um, I don't have the supplies necessary to build the house right now.
49:33Um, okay. You know, who's been under construction for about 30 years, the Cleveland Browns any day now they have not won the AFC North since 1989.
49:42Okay. 30 was Falcon. When were you born? 96, 96.
49:45You freaking weird. Um, golly. So you, you've never seen Cleveland, you know, a top.
49:50The AFC North. Nope. Josh has. Um, all right.
49:53Cleveland five and 12 last year. He had a five and a half win total.
49:58Hey, they delivered the five. Um, this year it's up at six and a half guys.
50:03Fourth easiest strength to schedule and it's at six and a half wins.
50:07No more miles Garrett. So like your reason to watch has gone down.
50:12That's great news for the aforementioned Ravens and, uh, Cincinnati Bengals.
50:15Cleveland's favorite in two games this year. I think the Atlanta and Las Vegas.
50:20Kyle, probably both home games. Kyle, the Browns are favorite against that feel that's gotta feel bad.
50:25It has to hurt so much. I mean, obviously that game's gotta be in Cleveland.
50:30Yeah. Maybe in the winter. Oh my gosh. And the, uh, the old adage, you know, if you have two quarterbacks, you have none.
50:38What if you have, what if you have, what if you have none quarterbacks?
50:43You also have none. Yeah. That's how the math works.
50:4630th in points per game last year or 31st, 30th in yards per game.
50:51You just said you, you love Todd Monkent, but this is a tall task.
50:55Year one as a head coach. Uh, he's 60 years old.
50:59We looked at, we looked this up. There are eight first time head coaches over the last 25 years that were or more good cutoff.
51:07Yeah. Um, didn't work out well for them. They averaged 6.4 wins.
51:11Only Bruce Arians and Mike Zimmer lasted more than three years.
51:15Todd Monkent. Congrats on getting that job. Yeah. This was the one you're going to get.
51:20Yeah. And to be clear, I don't know that Todd Monkent is a good head coach.
51:25There are plenty of great coordinators who are not made to be head coaches at 60.
51:31I think that's going to be even harder. Um, but it's good offensive mind, which is fun.
51:36Some of the things you've been hearing, uh, out of camp, which obviously this time of year, the only things you're going to hear are good.
51:45Oh, I really like, you know, the, the offensive system and some of the changes.
51:50Uh, but they, you know, they went out and they spent in the draft on which we liked it.
51:56Yes. Concepcion and Denzel Boston. We liked the players that they drafted.
52:00We kind of wish they would have gone to a situation.
52:04They could have more impact for fantasy football earlier, but Concepcion, Denzel Boston as Boston's been making a lot of headlines.
52:11Like as those are two players that we really liked.
52:14We like, we liked them as prospects and they're very, like, I, I like that they're different archetypes, you know, and Concepcion.
52:21Now, if you're going to do the kind of the, like the, the surface level, well, Monken had flowers.
52:27Concepcion is a Zay flowers type of archetype of a player.
52:31So can he maximize what Casey is good at?
52:34That this was a team that was tied for the lowest wide receiver target percentage in the NFL last year.
52:41Ah, yes. With the Steelers. So, um, you know, you, you have a situation where there is opportunity.
52:47One of the big questions about Cleveland is, do we care who the quarterback is?
52:51I mean, because you can kind of say, well, could it get worse?
52:56Like, you know, Watson in 2024 was dead last in EPA per play.
53:00Shadour in 2025 was dead last in EPA per play.
53:03At the end of the day, I think my answer is still yes.
53:08I do care. Like, I, I want somebody that's going to, I don't care if your, your EPA per play is, I
53:15mean, I do care, but I just want somebody that's going to give some of, you know, the, the Harold Fannin, Concepcion, Boston opportunities to make plays.
53:24You're going to be losing a lot of ball games.
53:27You talk about what kept them in it last year.
53:30Miles Garrett was a big piece of the puzzle.
53:33Their defense was fourth in yards per game. They will be a worse defense.
53:38That is good for fantasy. I do care. I do care which guy emerges.
53:43Um, and I just want opportunities for these young players.
53:46I want Harold Fannin to not be a sophomore flop.
53:49This is the guy that hurts me the most in all of fantasy football is Harold Fannin.
53:55Cause I love him. I think he is. Oh, we went into the off season when we, when we, when last season
54:02ended, I had Harold Fannin ahead of Tyler Warren ahead of Colson Loveland.
54:06Then their teams changed. They got rid of DJ Moore.
54:10They got rid of Michael Pittman that, you know, it seemed like, okay, now there's clarity in those two.
54:16I would clearly take them over, but Fannin was so good.
54:19Yes. He's a great player. And in the games where Shadur started, uh, which started in week 12.
54:25And if you take out the injury game where he was good and fast, cause he got a touchdown, but you know,
54:33you didn't, he only played 20% of snaps during that stretch with Shadur in both of their rookie seasons.
54:39He was on pace for 142 targets, 31% team target share, almost a thousand yards, 10 touchdown pace.
54:45Like he was dominant and I want to be in on him.
54:49Yeah. I mean, I think that that, I mean the, the case you have right there is that you were the terrible
54:56team and a terrible offense and a terrible quarterback pro bowler.
55:00And, but that you still had the effectiveness of Fannin.
55:03And I have zero fear about Boston and conception.
55:06Sean, her name Fannin at all. That is, that is my fear.
55:10I don't have any fear of that. There, I think them as a tandem, even in year one, it's better than what was going on last year.
55:19Oh, it's better. Jerry Judy's still on the team, everybody.
55:22It's better than what they had, but you also had David Njoku in this offense and the numbers you just read for him so much.
55:30The numbers you just read for Fannin were outrageous.
55:33I mean, you just need, if your offense is going to be more competent with an offensive minded head coach.
55:40Njoku was just phased out. Like, I mean, it started, you know, he was the guy that.
55:45Do you like Monkin or not? Do you think he can do better than what they've done?
55:51I think he can do better than what they have done.
55:55But quarterback is just, it's the most important position in professional sports.
55:59Cause if you, if you don't have one and like we saw it last year, you know, with Jacoby Brissett, he's at least competent.
56:07Can Shadur elevate his game where he's not dead last in EPA and he's actually, in a competent quarterback.
56:13Cause he was not last year. I mean, he was competent enough to give Fannin some really good numbers.
56:19Yeah. Fannin was the tight end five with a missed game and an injury in his second to last game.
56:26And they grabbed Spencer Fanno, uh, number nine in the draft at offensive tackle, even ahead of adding Concepcion and Boston.
56:33I, Oh, I hate these middle round tight ends, but I love Fannin so much.
56:38And you're convulsing a little bit. Yeah. It's really difficult.
56:41Anytime that you have just kind of a, a cloud of misery hanging over a team, I think there's opportunity in fantasy.
56:48It's going to depress values in ADP. The Cardinals are going to be depressed.
56:53I'm depressed because I'm a Cardinal fan, but the values are going to be depressed.
56:58We saw a horrific Cardinals team put up great offensive numbers worth multiple number one options in McBride and Wilson, but they
57:05had one of the worst defenses in the league in that stretch.
57:09Whereas the Browns have, I know they lost miles Garrett, but they've still got a very good defense.
57:15They're going to lose almost all their games. It's all that matters to me is that the Cardinals are going to win maybe a game this year.
57:24The Browns are going to win maybe two and they're going to be trailing.
57:28They're going to throw the football. Fannin was prolific.
57:31So that turns the conversation then into Quinchon Judkins, who, you know, he'll get it all great prospects.
57:37Also was great as a rookie. You look at, no, you look at the numbers and you're like, oh, he didn't rush for a lot per carry.
57:46He, the offensive line was trash. You watch the games.
57:49He was, he is, he looked the part on the NFL field.
57:53It was not his fault that they were always down.
57:57And I'm much more on Jason's side on this.
58:00I don't, I don't care about the yards per carry number for him at all.
58:05Well, okay. Not even yards per carry. 67% of his runs were three or fewer yards.
58:10I mean, that's yards per carry, but, but that's just, that's effectiveness.
58:14That's efficiency. I mean, like at some, I agree, you know, maybe the offensive line is not the best, but that's the worst rate in the NFL.
58:23Well, for a player getting that amount of volume to not even be able to hit three yards on 67% of your carries, that's a big deal.
58:32I mean, that's bad. The numbers were bad for Jinty on his yards per carry.
58:37I mean, you are up against it when you have no quarterback play and you don't have the opportunity for the defense to focus on anything else.
58:45That's all I'm saying. And Monken's a better strategist.
58:48They have a better offensive line. And I'll take a 22 year old running back who passed the eye test to me.
58:56That's all I'm saying. I will too, but I don't like losing teams.
59:00I don't think I'm going to do it this year.
59:03I, I want to give Judkins his props and just say he's a really good running back.
59:09But like you said, they're going to be losing games.
59:12I'd rather have him saying. They're going to be losing games and they're not going to score a ton of touchdowns.
59:19This isn't the situation. They don't have a good offensive line, even though they added Spencer Fano.
59:25So that I think I would much rather go in on the passing than the, than the running.
59:31Let's have the conversation around this division. Then Jalen Warren or Quinchan Judkins.
59:35Cause Warren is behind him in ADP. Warren. See, I'll take Judkins.
59:39I'll take the workload. David Montgomery or Quinchan Judkins.
59:42Montgomery's too space behind him. I think I'll take Montgomery.
59:45Jadarian Price is just behind him. Price will go up though.
59:49Ramondre Stevenson or Quinchan Judkins. That one's funny. I'm going to make you say some name that you don't like.
59:55I will take Judkins there. Mike, you're going to answer.
59:59It's probably Ramondre. DeAndre Swift. Oh, that's easy. Those are, those are the guys going.
60:04So it's like Tootin, Swift, Judkins in drafts. Most, most of those guys I would take over Judkins simply because of the Browns situation.
60:11And I, and I do too. I love the player.
60:15I just don't know what the ceiling cap is.
60:18Yeah. He is. Could he be, could he be a top 15 back?
60:22Like if things went right, that's, that's kind of the, a part of that discussion that is the, is the targets.
60:29And I'm not saying Judkins can't do that. Like we have some evidence in college that he can, but what we saw
60:36with Monken with Derrick Henry, when it was time to pass the ball, Derrick Henry's off the field.
60:42You're saying this is a Dylan Samson. And they, and Dylan Samson last year, he saw 40 targets as a rookie.
60:49That's all I think of. Does. It's so stupid.
60:52Like that's a, a question that we need training camp to hopefully answer for us is how does Monken view the offense?
60:59Is Judkins to him going to be on the field when they're, you know, when game script is great or will he
61:07just be a three down guy that I don't think we have the answer to yet.
61:12Start, start making your notes on your division order.
61:15Okay. All right. All right. Cause we got to predict this division as we, as we wrap it up.
61:21I don't, I don't know if there are any other big questions around Cleveland other than whether you'd take a shot on either of the rookie wide receivers.
61:30I think both are fine to take a shot on because they'll be very cheap.
61:35For the Browns? Yeah. I mean, I would, like Denzel Boston is the very, he's a perfect last round pick in fantasy
61:42because you will not have to spin anything higher than that.
61:46He's, he's, he's made a lot of headlines. What's difficult, what's a lot like the lottery ticket you were just talking about
61:53with the Ravens where you've got to then get the, yeah, but he's at least the second rounder.
61:59And they're the one, I mean, you got the chance to be the one on the team.
62:05Like Zay Flowers, you're, you're battling to be the three, the, or the two.
62:09Just a reminder, because when we said it, Jerry Judy's still on this team and Isaiah Bond has been getting a lot of off season hype around him.
62:19So the, the depth chart for the Browns is actually pretty murky right now.
62:23Would you draft Jerry Judy in a Jerry Judy only league?
62:27No, I would, I would. You'd pass. I would quit the league.
62:31Yeah. My division winner is Baltimore followed by Cincinnati, then Pittsburgh, then Cleveland.
62:35I have Cincinnati winning the division. I figured you would.
62:38Baltimore will go second and then Steelers and Cleveland.
62:41Jason, I've got Baltimore winning the division. I've got Pittsburgh second with the defense since he third in Cleveland is the free bingo square.
62:49On Thursday, on Thursday, we will talk AFC South.
62:52And as a reminder, again, three shows a week.
62:55So we'll have a Saturday episode of the podcast.
62:58Oh man, your lawn doesn't stand a chance. No, it doesn't.
63:02It does not. And, and we will mix in some mock draft episodes in between divisional breakdowns as well.
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