0:00It's the Harris Football Podcast with your host, Christopher Harris.
0:03Welcome! Hey everybody, welcome in. My name is Chris and this is a show about bribery.
0:08You'll see what I mean in a little bit.
0:11Hello there. Thank you so much for listening today.
0:14This is it. The last day of July. We have finally arrived.
0:18Starting next week, we got five podcasts coming your way.
0:21Every week until the end of the year, just about.
0:24And also Monday is Almanac Day and I've been seeing the orders come in.
0:29I really appreciate that very much. If you order the Almanac today or over the weekend on Monday morning, you'll receive the PDF.
0:36The 2026 Harris Football Player Profile Almanac. It'll finally be out after three months of working on it.
0:42Do I have some stuff I have to do this weekend?
0:46You better believe it. We'll talk about that in just a minute.
0:50And of course, you don't have to pre-order the Almanac if you just want to get it on Monday or sometime thereafter.
0:57Also lovely, so happy and very lucky that you would even consider it.
1:01What do you get? You get 233 player profiles in about 300 or so PDF pages.
1:06You get a lot of snark. You get some really fun illustrations.
1:10It is. The art is great. Film grades out of me.
1:13Research projects out of me. Cousin Josh has little tidbits in there.
1:17You get dynasty ranks, super flex ranks, which I don't publish anywhere else.
1:22You can find out all you need to know about the Almanac at HarrisFootball.com.
1:26And what, you might ask, is such a big deal?
1:29What news are we dealing with that's requiring last-minute revisions to the Almanac and the various rankings therein?
1:35Basically, the 49ers are trying to injure me personally.
1:38It's all 49er stuff. I think you know this.
1:41So on the one hand, easier to deal with if we're hoping to be able to identify a handcuff for Christian McCaffrey.
1:48The first few days of Niners camp seem to have made that somewhat clearer, though we've said that before with Kyle Shanahan.
1:55We already knew that Isaac Garendo was not going to be doing much in camp with shoulder surgery and hasn't done much in the NFL anyway.
2:03He would be in a rush to make it back for camp at all.
2:08And then second-year runner Jordan James didn't do anything last year either, fractured a rib early in camp and will miss between two weeks and a month.
2:17And then the Niners worked out our old pal Khalil Herbert to maybe eventually be a camp body.
2:22But let's face it, that dream long since vanished, along with Herbert's ability to stay healthy on a football field.
2:29They've got guys like Patrick Taylor and Sincere McCormick kicking around camp.
2:33But the obvious dotted line to draw is that the surprise third-round pick, Kalen Black, gets a leg up on the backup's job.
2:40It is Shani Jr., of course, so we are not going to presume anything.
2:45The Niners are probably not going to give us good information about who is CMC's backup for 2026.
2:51Plus, they most likely won't even use a backup very much until and if McCaffrey gets hurt again.
2:56See also the bathtub on wheels, Brian Robinson, last season.
3:00But I did scooch Kalen Black up into late-round territory in all formats.
3:04And were I to take CMC in the early first round of a draft, Black might be the one that I would currently try and cover myself with.
3:13The other Niners issue seems to me more dire.
3:162024 first-round pick. 2025 Harris football flag player. Ricky Pearsall by now.
3:20You surely, or probably anyway, have heard that Pearsall's knee has swollen up at the very beginning of training camp.
3:26And you've already got beat reporters leaking that the team is very concerned.
3:30And they don't know what the future is. And Pearsall already might need knee surgery.
3:35And they talked about how, why didn't he have it at the end of the season?
3:40Because if he had, it would have wiped him out for this entire season anyway.
3:45This all seems very, very bad. What do we always say about training camp?
3:49The stuff we most pay attention to is the negative stuff that a team can't help from leaking out.
3:56I would say this certainly counts. Nobody has leaked that Pearsall is definitely on his way to the surgeon's table.
4:02But if I'm drafting this weekend, which obviously please don't do that.
4:06Please do not draft this weekend. Then I'm not taking Ricky Pearsall.
4:10I'll tell you that for free. The ranks are already updated at HarrisFootball.com.
4:14And they have Pearsall cratering to around 70 among wideouts.
4:17That puts him outside the top 160. Just not going to draft him right now.
4:22I sure got to rewrite his almanac profile. This benefits Mike Evans.
4:26I hiked Evans a bit. I think I'm probably still not going to get him very much in drafts personally.
4:32Because as Cousin Josh told us over the spring, Evans is going a lot higher than I had him ranked before.
4:39And I assume he's only going up with this news.
4:42I thought Evans looked slow last year. But we certainly understand.
4:46He is the most draftable receiver there is there right now.
4:49There's at least a bunch of, you know, possession work.
4:53Even if he's not making a bunch of deep shots.
4:56And end zone work he's really good at that could support him.
5:00The other rookie who draft experts hated, Dijon Stribling.
5:03He's higher in my ranks. Not that high. He's obviously an absolute cipher.
5:07Nobody knows if he can play. But he is a second round shaped hole in the depth chart.
5:13And when the main guy is getting hurt, you know, you'll take a life preserver.
5:17Stribling is up into late round draftable territory to me.
5:21But like I assume someone's going to be like, take him in the ninth round.
5:26And I'm probably not going to take him in the ninth round.
5:29But I did increase his rank. And then yesterday the Niners announced they had brought home this guy.
5:35If you like Coconut Debonis. And this shit out lots of pain.
5:39Coconut Deboni. Debo Samuel himself brought back on a one year deal for relatively short money.
5:44I mean, doesn't that, you know, we're dot connecting.
5:47But it makes it feel like Ricky Pearsall is in that much more trouble.
5:52Unfortunately, to me, the problem is that Debo Samuel looked utterly washed in Washington last year.
5:57It looked like he ate a normal size Debo Samuel.
6:00I couldn't currently get him very much higher than I have Pearsall at his reduced rank.
6:05I'll also admit, though, that's my first impression. And if, I mean, if I could go back and re-record the segment from
6:12a few weeks ago when we talked about what we're going to pay attention to in Niners camp, of course, I would add Debo Samuel to that.
6:21If the everyday noise is that he's back to being a crucial part of the offense and watch out and yada yada,
6:28I'm going to have no choice but to raise him some, though I have to admit I enter this process pretty skeptical.
6:35Have there been non-49er stories worth paying attention to?
6:38No. Nope. It's only going to be Niners this spring.
6:41That's not true. Of course, there have been. Jameer Gibbs has been holding in, seeking out a new contract in Lions camp,
6:48which would probably have the don't take Jameer Gibbs number one overall people foaming at the mouth, except the guy that they
6:55would like to replace Gibbs with, Bajon Robinson, also holding in for a new contract.
7:00I will certainly assume right now those guys will get their new deals very soon.
7:05I'm not panicking on either of those dudes on July 31st.
7:09Malik Neighbors, you'll never believe it, but the New York media is making a big deal over something.
7:14Now people are interviewing Neighbors and, you know, acting very optimistic.
7:18You know, you got it all wrong. Neighbors, he did have a second knee procedure, but it was done with pillows.
7:25And it was so much earlier than you said.
7:28Look at him. He's already running routes. You know, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool.
7:33The problem is that the beat reporters in New York cry wolf a lot, and it's just tough to really believe any of it.
7:41Neighbors, as far as I know, this morning as I'm recording this, isn't yet doing full team practice stuff.
7:47He's still off to the side, but let's admit he did avoid the PUP list to start camp.
7:53So of all the possible forking paths for Malik Neighbors, he's avoided the most dire, no question about it.
7:59I have not moved him up in the ranks yet.
8:03I don't know exactly how high he can get for me.
8:06It's going to take some looking at the list and soul searching and paying attention to what they say about him over the next couple of weeks.
8:15But there's certainly, of course, some upward mobility in his rank.
8:18What else? I'm not going to talk about every single beat report.
8:22You know, many, many things have been talked about.
8:25Romo Dunze, I don't know if you heard, but his foot was mangled.
8:29It was permanently destroyed. The one thing every single person would say about Romo Dunze for six months was that his foot
8:36healed weird and simply was never going to be the same again.
8:40He sauntered into camp this week and said, yeah, it feels good.
8:44I'm fine. Everything's going to be good. Which is, you know what?
8:48That's why I'm glad you listened to this show.
8:51Chris Rodriguez still doing side work so far, recovering from foot surgery.
8:55Okay. Jalen Knoll, were we excited about drafting him?
8:58Not really. Hurt a finger and is out for a couple of weeks.
9:02I took him out of my top 80 receivers.
9:05That's just randomly said. There's so much stuff. So many things to track.
9:09Again, the whole point of July is to try to find the stuff we're not going to take the bait on.
9:16We're going to talk about more of that today.
9:19I will update whatever needs to be updated in the Almanac in time for Monday.
9:23Another thing. Yes, indeed. My novel. Pound Foolish. I wrote two things that I'm trying to sell you.
9:29I'm really sorry about that. I mean, it was inevitable, I guess.
9:33I've said this before. They both mean a lot to me.
9:37But if you were asking me which is more important to my soul, I mean, I like the Almanac.
9:43It's great. I try really hard on it. But it's a three-month sprint about this particular football season.
9:49And then you compare that to the book, the novel, which I started, I believe, was it the winter 2023?
9:55So like almost three years of work on and like, it's kind of try to pour all my feelings about football and life into.
10:03Yeah. I mean, the novel's probably going to win which one is more important to me, even though I know the novel
10:10likely isn't going to help you win a fantasy league this year.
10:14But anyway, the difference between 2026 and Pound Foolish and 2018 and Tulsa is that this time, insert massive gulp here, I
10:21am publishing the book myself under the publishing company dedicated to you, the audience, the odd possums.
10:26I called it Cumulative Press. It's a hard word for Harris to say.
10:30It definitely is. And I have to admit, I don't really know what I'm doing.
10:35And I'm certainly freaking out over little publishing related things every single day, including when oh when is the stupid thing going to be available for pre-order?
10:44You can actually pre-order it right now. I think at barnesandnoble.com you can get the paperback.
10:49I think bookshop.org you can get the e-book and the audio book maybe.
10:53Maybe just the e-book. I don't know. It's supposed to be in way more places soon enough.
10:59You will be able to pre-order the paperback, the e-book, and the audio book, which I recorded with my own delicate little voice.
11:06I'm not asking you to pre-order it right now.
11:09What I'm asking you today is, so the book will release on September 1, basically a month from now.
11:15And it turns out that if I can convince enough people to pre-order a copy before September 1, but not on Amazon,
11:22anywhere else, just not on Amazon, all those pre-orders count toward various bestseller lists.
11:27And it would be pretty freaking hilarious for me to make a bestseller list under cumulative press.
11:32How much would you pay to see that? Just how insane?
11:36How stupid would that be? So this actually is my ask for you today.
11:40Tell me how you want to be bribed. I'm going to hold random drawings like every day in August.
11:47So everyone who pre-orders, you will take a screen cap and you will email and you'll let me know.
11:53And that will enter you into, like, let's just assume daily drawings.
11:57Everyone who pre-orders will get entered into every daily drawing.
12:00So every day on the show, I'll do a random draw of everyone who's pre-ordered Pound Foolish, and you'll get something.
12:06You can pre-order now if you want, if you can find it.
12:10Oh, God, it's killing me. But what I'm actually asking you today is for ideas.
12:15What are some, like, manageable things that you would like to be bribed with that you think might lure in other people?
12:22Oh, sure, I'll buy his stupid book if there's a chance I could do blah.
12:27You know, little things, Zoom sessions. It could be, like, I don't know, a cameo to the league loser in your league
12:34if you think that would be fun. Or pre-draft advice or look at my team or, I don't know, thing outside the box.
12:42I have to sing something to you. You know, I'm open to all your ideas, basically.
12:47I'll probably start promoting this in earnest on the show next week, but send me your ideas.
12:52HeyHarris at HarrisFootball.com. And finally, I am going on a mini tour at the end of August.
12:58Whew! It'll be four cities in four days. And the days, the dates, will be.
13:03Sunday, August 23rd, I will be in Tacoma, Washington.
13:05Monday, August 24th, Portland, Oregon. Tuesday, August 25th, Las Vegas, Nevada.
13:09And Wednesday, August 26th, Scottsdale, Arizona. And then, for those of you in Los Angeles, I haven't worked out that one yet,
13:16but it should be the next day or two after that.
13:20The venues themselves have been, like, reserved or owned by your fellow yacht possums.
13:24It should be really fun. Everything's in a bar.
13:27So there's going to be beer if you want it.
13:30And I'll do a reading for, like, you know, 20 minutes, 25 minutes.
13:34I'll read something from Pound Foolish. And then it'll just be a regular listener meetup, which I love because I will meet
13:42every single person who comes and we'll talk. I promise.
13:45It always happens that way. We shake hands. Take pictures if you want.
13:49Sign stuff if you want. Whatever. Sign stuff. Who the hell am I?
13:53Just talk. It's fun. We could talk about your fantasy draft that just happened.
13:58Whatever you want. I really get... I like getting to hang out with all of you.
14:03It's awesome. I love y'all. So if you're in one of those places and you're going to be around one of those
14:10days, I think they'll all get started around 7 p.m.
14:13I'll publicize the specific places where they're going to be in plenty of time.
14:18We've got, like, graphic getting prepared right now. But just mark your calendar for those dates because it should be fun.
14:24Today's kickoff. Okay. On today's show, that was a lot of stuff.
14:28And we got lots more stuff coming your way.
14:31Matt Harmon from Yahoo Fantasy and ReceptionPerception.com. We'll join.
14:34And Matt and I are going to do our very last of the July shows, the previews of NFL training camps.
14:41We're going to talk Steelers, Ravens, Bengals, and Browns.
14:44That's the teams of the AFC North, in case you didn't know.
14:48I think you'll have a fun hour. And I appreciate you so much for listening today.
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16:05Today's guest. Wide receivers, they got to be approved by you to ride with me.
16:10Oh, don't you know now is the perfect time to tell us which team you're alive.
16:15I'm gonna put to it now for tomorrow's today.
16:18Or today's tomorrow. I want to know. It is the boy, young boy.
16:22It is Matt Harmon. You can find him all over whatever social media platform you prefer.
16:28Just search for Matt Harmon. You can hear him as the anchor of the Yahoo fantasy forecast.
16:33Going, as is my show, five days a week as of next week.
16:37So there you go. There's your back-to-back listen each day.
16:40And of course, we always want to direct you to receptionperception.com.
16:44An unbelievable resource for evaluating receivers. Matt tells me that new profiles will be dropping every week during August, during the busiest fantasy time of the year.
16:53What a pleasure. Thank you, Matt Harmon. How are you?
16:56Hey, Chris. I appreciate it, man. Yeah, it's that time of year.
17:00It just comes earlier every year. It's August, man.
17:03We are getting inundated with a bunch of stuff we probably shouldn't care about.
17:07And yet, it's a good time to be alive.
17:10So I'm very happy to break it down with you today, man.
17:14Yeah, stuff that we're going to largely probably identify as nonsense and not pay attention to.
17:19But the things we will pay attention to can matter.
17:22Yes, indeed. We got Almanac Day on Monday. We got receptionperception profiles just flying out of our tuchuses.
17:28We got the stupid book. You have been a recipient of the novel.
17:32You've got it in your hot little hands. Well, you really sold it with the stupid book.
17:38I mean, when you said, Matt, I'd love to send you a copy of the stupid book.
17:43I was like, sign me up. No, yeah. I do have it.
17:47I think I told you before we got going that I just finished another boring book.
17:52No, so now I will be reading your stupid book as we go into the new month.
17:58No, yeah. So I appreciate it, Chris. I actually am very excited to dive into it.
18:03Did you get one with – this is Pound Foolish we're talking about.
18:07Did you get the pre-cover? It's just like a blue cover?
18:11No, it's got – I think – Oh, you got the real cover.
18:15It's literally sitting in my office right now. I could get up and walk over and look at it.
18:21I can stand up. You can hear me standing up and I can see it from here.
18:27No, I mean it's – Got the regular cover.
18:29It's blue, but yeah, it's got the regular cover, I think.
18:33Yeah, depending on when I send it out to friends and family and media moles and stuff, some people got like a
18:40pre-cover before the cover was designed and then some people got – you got the actual one.
18:46Do I fit into friends or media moles or somewhere in between?
18:49Both. I think you're both, aren't you? I think I might be both.
18:54We've known each other for like 15 years, but also you are a media member.
18:58You are a big guy, big time dude. Well, anyway, let's talk about the AFC North and what we will and won't pay attention to in training camp.
19:07Yep, I – these eight shows, this is the eighth one, the order in which I bring up the teams in each
19:15division is the order they finished the previous season.
19:17And so let's talk about the Pittsburgh Steelers who have been memory wiped as champions of the AFC North.
19:24It just doesn't even seem real that that happened last year.
19:27And yet, like it's easy to make fun of the Steelers and it's really because of who the quarterback is.
19:34They have a pretty high floor as long Aaron Rodgers.
19:37Like there's probably not a way for this offense to finish bottom five if Aaron Rodgers stays healthy.
19:43Do you agree with that? I think so and especially because while I'm very – I mean I'm not enthused by what
19:50we watched out of Rodgers last year and nor do I expect there to be much change in what he can offer.
19:57I mean just he's so hyper-specific now at this point.
20:00I do think it's a high floor team because like McCarthy is kind of a high floor play caller.
20:06Even if you're not – again, not enthused about the ceiling, he's a high floor play caller.
20:12I think the offensive line is settled enough that it's a high floor.
20:16It gives them a floor. And then like their top two receivers are guys we know and I don't think are in danger of falling off.
20:24So yeah, like the way you frame it that way, maybe – I guess maybe the high floor is not the way
20:31to say it, but a projectable floor for this team is certainly in play.
20:36Yeah, if you consider the floor the worst case, it's probably an okay worst case.
20:41That might be wrong. We're terrible at predicting this stuff beforehand.
20:44If Rodgers has become further dilapidated from even what he was last year, then I'm wrong in this assertion.
20:50But either way, I mean, you know, like even the running backs, they're good professional running backs.
20:56Like there's lots of good professional players on that offense who – all of whom will be constrained probably by Aaron Rodgers
21:03never wanting to get touched probably in his personal life, but definitely on his professional life.
21:08And so I just go, yeah. I mean, I would love to know how much Rico Dowdle might infringe on Jalen Warren.
21:15If somebody from the Steelers coaching staff is listening and wants to just send me a DM and tell me, that'd be fantastic.
21:22I just don't imagine that's something we can learn from training camp.
21:26No, I think the headline I've already seen from these two guys is like they split work, you know, getting first team reps.
21:34I'm like, well, of course they will. I mean, they're pretty different types of backs too.
21:39Like – and I like both backs as well.
21:42It's almost in a way unfortunate when I've found myself drafting that it's a – it's like kind of, well, this guy is interesting in this format.
21:51This guy is interesting. They kind of are both the last call at running back two if I'm in a hero RB.
21:58I've kind of punted on the second running back spot.
22:01I tend to look at these Steelers backs, but I'm not too sure that there's anything we're going to learn about these
22:08guys over the next few weeks because I think they both – like unless someone's going to be reporting Jalen Warren is
22:15catching all the Kenny Gainwell checkdowns, you know, which I kind of think is going to happen anyway.
22:21So it's just – there's not a lot to learn with these two guys.
22:25Yeah, because I'm trying to put myself in the position of myself in two weeks and I hear that and I go,
22:32okay, that's kind of what I assumed would happen anyway.
22:36And also I don't believe the Steelers are making that known.
22:39I just don't – you know, that's not what they're in the business of doing.
22:44They're going to unveil – we didn't know that Kenny Gainwell was going to get that many receptions in the third week of August last year.
22:52That wasn't something they were publicizing. And like in the end, it was absolutely a function of cowardice from the quarterback.
22:59It was a function of him on third and 11 throwing negative two-yard passes because he didn't want to get hit.
23:06And so I don't imagine that went away, but because that's not a challenging thing to catch, Rico Dowdle can catch those.
23:13I've seen it. So the bottom line is I just don't think there's – I guess, you know, would it be believable
23:20to you if at some point beat reporters in Pittsburgh start saying, Caleb Johnson is no longer completely forgotten.
23:26I can see a world where he gets in the mix as a third body or gets a chance as the season gets going.
23:34Or is that – would any of that ever be believable to the detriment of Warren or Dowdle?
23:40No, I would find that pretty hard to believe.
23:43I would have to see that like Rico Dowdle is in danger of not making the roster or something like that.
23:49You know, like a reporter like that to really believe that Caleb Johnson can really make a dent here.
23:56You know, now at this point it's a previous staff pick even if that was the staff that iced him out.
24:02I don't know that I would believe like almost any Caleb Johnson buzz over the next few weeks.
24:08Yeah, which isn't to say that second-year players don't sometimes simply figure it out.
24:13It's just we're trying to give draft advice in fantasy leagues.
24:16And just because something's possible doesn't mean you should draft based on it.
24:20Yeah, I think it would be like, okay, maybe – I guess the actionable takeaway from hearing anything interesting about Caleb Johnson
24:28would be, okay, maybe we'll talk about him as a waiver wire speed dial guy if something happens to one of these two players.
24:35Specifically Dowdle because I think he would fit better in that type of banger back role.
24:40Yeah, and like they – if they really – if this new administration really believed in Caleb Johnson, they don't give Dowdle pretty good.
24:48Yeah, exactly. So like we're – you know, again, like so many of these July shows boil down to myself and you
24:55and all the guests talking about like the way we like to play fantasy.
25:00The way we think is the best approach to fantasy.
25:03And it isn't – when we say we're not going to believe anything good said about Caleb Johnson for an entire month,
25:10that doesn't mean we're saying Caleb Johnson is doomed and can never be good at football.
25:15It's that it was so bad last year that we have to see him in games that count before we're – and
25:22do something good and not fumble on kickoffs and stuff, you know, before we're willing to – Correct.
25:28You know, this is not the way you play smart fantasy.
25:32Anyway, and I would say similarly, Michael Pittman is, of course, an upgrade on all, you know, freaking Calvin Austin and Roman
25:39Wilson and Ben Skoranek and all these guys are getting shoved down our throats.
25:43As potential second receivers, of course it matters how Pittman's going to work in to DK Metcalf and they're both, you know, kind of – they're good.
25:52They're professional receivers. Again, you know, your opinion, one's opinion of those receivers is what it is.
25:57It just – you probably shouldn't take a news item from August and dramatically change what your opinion already was.
26:04No. No. And I would say just to use that as like something we've already heard as an example is – well,
26:11DK Metcalf is going to move around more this year than he did last year.
26:16And, you know, we've heard something similar in Carolina about Tedrow and McMillan, you know, and for both those guys, they pretty
26:23much only lined up at X receiver last year.
26:26So it's kind of like it's hard for them to move around any less.
26:30Like them going from – this type of player going from 15% to 17%, you know, snaps in the slot.
26:37That is more. Like on a percentage basis, that is more.
26:40But I look at the room and like Michael Pittman's a perfect big like bodied Z receiver who can kick inside.
26:47And Jeremy Bernard is kind of a perfect bodied Z receiver who can kick inside.
26:52So my guess is that we actually don't – we maybe see – again, maybe see Metcalf take a few more percentage
26:59of his snaps in the slot simply because they're not running as much multiple tight end sets, which is what I would expect.
27:06You know, just based on the history of the two coaches we're talking about here, Arthur Smith and Mike McCarthy.
27:13But that's also not going to get me to really change my opinion about these Steelers wide receivers.
27:19God, yeah, there's not a lot to really say here about the Steelers and like what you're looking for other than, you
27:26know, I am interested from like maybe even just a dynasty.
27:29From a dynasty perspective, like can Jeremy Bernard get an instant role on this team?
27:34I think he should. I like him as like a high floor glue guy type of prospect.
27:40Again, we're talking about another high floor thing here with the Steelers.
27:43But yeah, he's got to earn that in training camp and everything like that.
27:48Yeah, so that's worth paying attention to. It's for the purposes of like long-term planning and what happens when and if Metcalf or Pittman gets hurt.
27:56I mean, Michael Pittman is – he's a baller.
27:59That dude takes so much punishment. I love Pittman.
28:02Yeah, he's a really good player. I think he's transitioned into an older player like really well and has, you know, become
28:09like a – I mean, he's a contact magnet.
28:12This dude gets the crap beaten out of him.
28:15At some point that can, you know, like again, a good camp from Bernard can get him on that same speed dial
28:22that you talked about where you go, all right, well, if Pittman's out of the way, I really don't imagine DK Metcalf
28:29suddenly developing as a technician in the zero to five yard area.
28:33And so maybe Bernard becomes the dude with a Pittman injury and we could learn that maybe in camp.
28:39Yeah, totally. And I think that would make sense.
28:42It's just like Jeremy Bernard is kind of a Michael Pittman-ish player, at least from a deployment perspective.
28:48But yeah, I do like Pittman in this offense.
28:51I think there's a chance – honestly, I think now it's not even popular to say.
28:56But when he first arrived, I was like, oh, he could lead this team in catches this year because his style of
29:03play fits so well with Aaron Rodgers. But that's not something that we're going to learn much in camp either.
29:10But yeah, I'm certainly – from a long-term perspective and waiver wire speed dial perspective, if you need receiver help during the
29:17season, I'm looking at what Jeremy Bernard does in camp and what kind of role he can earn.
29:22Yeah, I mean, in – I just updated some ranks, but the Steeler guys didn't move in the ranks.
29:29But just like some – based on stuff that I talked about earlier in the show, in a standard league, I have Metcalf 35 among receivers.
29:37I have Pittman 37. In a PPR, I have Pittman 33, Metcalf 38.
29:41So are we excited? Do we draw massive distinction between the two of them?
29:46Do we draw massive distinction between the guys who are 10 spots ahead of them and 10 spots behind them?
29:52It's all kind of very same-seeming in that – but I can see a circumstance where, Pittman can be maybe more attractive
29:59than a Luther Burden, say, who has a lot of upside, probably way more upside than Pittman does, but also could kind
30:06of flop unexpectedly and you could get a lot more safe production out of Pittman.
30:11Like, at some point, our opinion on those Steelers receivers probably isn't going to change.
30:16It may just come down to what you feel like your team needs as you're drafting.
30:21Yeah, I think that makes a lot of sense.
30:24Yeah, in builds where I've gone early running backs and in like a managed league and you kind of just need some
30:31production at receiver, I've found my way to Pittman, and I think that's kind of just what he is this year.
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31:52We are back with Matt and we are talking about training camps for the teams of the AFC North.
31:58We've moved on to the team that I was pretty sure had won the division, but didn't and miss the playoffs.
32:05The Baltimore Ravens. They are also very, very settled in what they have.
32:09You know, it's fair that people rank Derek Henry differently from each other.
32:14Lamar Jackson. Maybe some people have he's he's left their circle of trust after last year.
32:19Zay Flowers fair. I'm I tend to be higher on Zay Flowers and a lot of people do, but I just don't know how.
32:26I'll let me pose it as a question rather than just say it as a statement.
32:32Other than somebody getting hurt. I don't really see a way for me to change my position on those guys.
32:38No, me either. I think they're pretty locked in.
32:41I like Zay a lot this year. I think he's become a little bit underrated as a receiver overall.
32:47I like that they've talked about how, you know, the new staff is really excited to get him in the mix.
32:54They're really excited about him as almost like a kind of the leader in that room at this point, which makes a lot of sense.
33:02So, yeah, I'm very excited about Zay's season this year.
33:05And Mark Andrews is just, well, I guess he's still there, you know, and kind of roll him out.
33:11But I still find it a little surprising how that contract went down.
33:15But I don't know that there's anything for those two specifically people beyond them.
33:20I'm interested in tracking. I'm curious your thoughts on that.
33:23But, you know, for those two guys, I think they're pretty settled.
33:27Well, we're talking rookies beyond that. So I'm going to ping pong it right back to you and ask your opinion of them.
33:34But let me just take a second and let's put, because we did when we talked about Isaiah Likely with Jake when
33:42we did the Giants training camp preview. Obviously, we weren't talking about what was left behind with the Ravens.
33:48But we did refer to the bizarreness of how this all worked out.
33:52I guess let's pull that apart. I mean, I have Andrews as someone I don't want as a starting fantasy tight end.
33:59I have him 15. I have Likely one spot ahead of him.
34:03Like it's been two years in a row where, you know, two years ago he just saved himself with touchdowns.
34:09And then last year, I mean, he looked like he was running in molasses.
34:14He looked slow to me. And I thought for sure he was the one who'd be jettisoned and they'd build around Likely.
34:21The fact that they didn't is like we assume rational coaching.
34:24Was that rational coaching? Rational GMing? And you have to remember, too, that in training camp last year, they were talking about giving Likely the contract extension.
34:33But then he suffered an injury. And I just wonder if that, like, is a bit of a – when we look
34:40back at league history, and this is one of the most important, you know, talking points.
34:45I wonder if that ends up being, like, a bit of a sliding doors moment where, you know, maybe Likely was going to get that extension.
34:54And then something went wrong there, and it just felt like they gave the money to Andrews.
34:59Yeah, I don't know that that is what I would have done.
35:03Let's put it that way. But I do think Mark Andrews, if you're – again, last call, I don't really want him
35:10as a starting fantasy tight end either. But I think I'm kind of where you are from a rankings perspective.
35:17Likely – obviously, we're not talking Giants, but Likely is more interesting to me over there as opposed to Andrews back here.
35:24And, you know, I also just think, like, there's not a guy – the thing is, you know, I'm not going to
35:31do the who else are they going to throw to because there can always be someone else.
35:36And I actually do find a couple of the rookie receivers intriguing, you know, and we'll talk about – well, we don't have to talk about Rashad Bateman.
35:45My therapist says I'm not allowed to talk about Rashad Bateman anymore.
35:49But he is still the nominal number two receiver.
35:52But, yeah, no, like, who else are they going to play at tight end, like truly take snaps?
35:58There's not really, like, an obvious answer there. Right.
36:01And unfortunately for Mark Andrews, that's been kind of true for much of the last two years.
36:06And still, he just can't either get open or get on the same page.
36:11I mean, that film from last year is absolutely rough.
36:14Let's talk about the two rookies. Mid-round type guys, not super hyped.
36:18But as recent NFL history has taught us, sometimes the draft gurus in these NFL teams just get it wrong because it's
36:25really tough to know beforehand whose game translates. We got plenty of pukas.
36:29We got plenty of people who get taken in the middle.
36:33And then we got plenty of freaking Jalen Polks, Nikhil Harries.
36:36Can you guess which team I root for? Who get taken earlier?
36:40Yeah. And stink. It's Jacoby Lane and it's Elijah Surratt.
36:43Absolutely. I don't know anything about them other than their names.
36:47So please, you know, feel free. Just kind of like give us an overview.
36:51Okay. So for Jacoby Lane, very much like a sacrificial X receiver, I think if he hits in the league, you know,
36:58kind of Marquez Valdez Scantling, but with better hands to me.
37:02And obviously, I know that's like damning with faint praise, but he's not a separator whatsoever.
37:07But he does really attack the football in the air.
37:10And just like he makes some insane catches, like truly, you know, like I'd be charting him and everything.
37:17His quarterback throws it up to him at USC.
37:19I'm like, there's no way. I mean, he's not even not open even a little bit.
37:25There's no way he's coming down with and he would make fantastic, fantastic catches.
37:29So, again, not a prospect. I was super high on because I don't think he has that separation ability, like especially if
37:36we're talking about fantasy for him to be a high volume player.
37:40But I think there's a path for him to being a role player as a sacrificial X receiver, which as an unabashed,
37:47you know, someone that's going to hold the candle for Rashad Bateman until he retires.
37:52I'd actually love to see Bateman use less at X because I don't think that suits his skill set.
37:58And then you kind of have if Lane emerges, I think that's the path forward is that like, you know, Bateman moves off ball a little bit.
38:07Flowers continues to be the number one by a long shot in the offense.
38:11I think that makes sense. Surratt, I am interested in Surratt from like a fantasy standpoint because I think he is one of these classic cases.
38:20And I wrote about this on the website in addition to doing a full YouTube video breakdown on this.
38:26He's one of these guys that doesn't separate on the perimeter in college, but beats his own coverage and probably looks like
38:33he could be someone that moves into the slot and is like a power slot player.
38:38Very similar to like an Amon Ross St. Brown type to go from the boundary at USC, you know, and has the body type to kick inside.
38:47And I think in this offense, what I'm imagining it to look like with Declan Doyle, I think there's a room for a player like that.
38:55So I really hope that we are seeing reports about Surratt moving inside and playing in the slot and training camp and getting some momentum there.
39:04Because I think he offers a skill set that this pass catching group, honestly, as much as I like Flowers and as
39:11much as I have been a Bateman fan in the past, he didn't play well last year, obviously.
39:16I do think that there's like there is room for a power slot type player here.
39:22So I am admittedly one of these people in like a dynasty rookie drafts this offseason.
39:27Like, I don't care about draft capital. I think Surratt's a better player.
39:31Okay. Well, yeah, I mean, and let's face it, draft capital one round.
39:35Who cares? Yeah, who cares? Interesting. I'm going to keep an eye on that, too.
39:40I've added both Lane and Surratt to the list of things to pay attention to that we're assembling as we go along.
39:47The buzz around rookies is always tough to parse because, you know, if the coaches, at minimum you want coaches saying, I like them.
39:55They seem to be able to play football well.
39:58And if you don't hear that, forget it. It's over.
40:01Not good. Yeah. Right. Even if they say that about a rookie or two, a lot of it is like what position,
40:08you know, what string do they play with? You know, they play controlled scrimmage against whoever, you know, and Surratt is running with the ones, so to speak.
40:17And Lane is running with the two, so to speak.
40:20Is there a chance, do you imagine, that the Bateman thing just winds up cutting bait because, so to speak, because I
40:27am, you know, I'm, there was a time where I believed.
40:31It's been a few years. I know you've been kind of a longer holdout.
40:35But I think it's going to be a lot of time.
40:39But there's not a lot of time. But there's not a lot in this room, man.
40:44I think it's going to be a lot of time.
40:47But at the same time, I think Lane and Surratt have a chance to push him out of that wide receiver three gig.
40:55So, yeah, I think this is like truly, and they've given him, they've given Bateman a lot of chances.
41:01And obviously, so have I. I think this is truly, truly like his last, last chance to.
41:06And look, I mean, he was a good and really good on film and meaningful contributor for the team in 2024.
41:13So, I mean, Will, do I admit to you that, you know, for $1 and a salary cap draft, I have put
41:20Rashad Bateman on like a 14 team start three flex insane goofball roster.
41:24Abso-frickin-lutely. Am I telling people to draft Rashad Bateman on my redraft, on your redraft fantasy teams?
41:30I am not. But I do think this is truly like his last chance to kind of cement their wide receiver two role.
41:37When you do that in your own teams, it's hashtag on brand.
41:41So, it's okay you're allowed to. Yeah. You do that almost for the bit.
41:46Right. Can I say that when it comes to Surratt and Omar Cooper and Kalen Black and you know where I'm going with this.
41:53Yeah. That I, there's this little piece of me that goes, maybe it's like silly, you know, 1960s style analysis.
42:00But there's like a winning quotient from Indiana where I go, God, they shouldn't have been as good as they were.
42:07And they were so good. And it was such a story that maybe it becomes the Hoosier diaspora.
42:12And I should pay a little extra attention to those guys just because I love the story so much.
42:19Well, number one, you do whatever you want with your own life.
42:22Number two, listen, I talked to Omar before the draft and like he's and I've heard the same about Surratt.
42:29These are just like two foot like these guys are hashtag football players.
42:33OK, like they're they're really high effort, high character.
42:36Omar Cooper, just since you brought him up, I'll tell the story on the show.
42:41He is I've been doing this now since 2014 and obviously much more in the latter part of my career.
42:47Talked to a ton, a ton of players about reception perception.
42:51Cooper is the only player off air after the conversation ended to ask me like, OK, what's my worst graded route?
42:58And like, how can I get better? And we had a whole conversation about that after the show was over.
43:04So just to speak to your point, if you want to go down narrative scouting about these Indiana players, they really are
43:11just like very smart, heady, high character football players.
43:14And I do think Surratt, like as somebody who I imagine to bring it back to like an actual football take here
43:21as opposed to the metaphysical part of this. I do think in order to make the positional transition that he is, it's
43:28like a outside, you know, contested catch back shoulder receiver to being more of that power slot option.
43:34Yeah, it's a lot to put on a player and you're going to need to like the high character to have the football character to do that.
43:43The only other thing to talk about with the Ravens is the backfield.
43:47And, you know, I'm just very skeptical of Adam Randall.
43:50You know, I don't know. I don't, I didn't see any Clemson football.
43:54I don't watch college football. I don't scout him beforehand.
43:58But what everybody says has me right down to the him being the owner's pick.
44:02I'm like, oh my God. Yeah. Like if that's, if that's true or not true, there's no reason why that should have
44:09been made public because that's going to stick with Adam Randall forever.
44:13100% true. It was 100% true. And it's just funny.
44:17Like I, I would, I would have loved, it's like, okay, fine.
44:20It's his team. He's the owner. I would have loved for it to just been like a, like less, like more of a boring position.
44:28You know, like give me a, give me a linebacker.
44:32Give me a, give me a safety. Not that those are boring positions are important to a football team, but you know, running back.
44:39It's an easy one to scout. Steve Bishotti. Come on, let's get in there.
44:44Let's get in the lab here. I mean, it's great that it's true.
44:48You don't make that public. It puts way too much pressure on the kid.
44:53He may seem like a Nepo baby. It is absolutely not something that should, I should know as an idiot when it comes to call.
45:01I'm an idiot, Matt. I'm, I'm a fool. I don't know anything.
45:05And this is the one thing I know about Adam Randall before I start reading what you and other people wrote about him.
45:12I mean, we have to admit letting Keaton Mitchell go and only having Justice Hill there behind a 32 year old Derek Henry.
45:19Like, you know, I guess there's a, you know, we're bringing this back to what we can learn in training camp.
45:26And I guess we could potentially learn that Randall is like pleasantly surprising the beat reporters there, I guess.
45:32Oh, yeah. Listen, I'm, I'm definitely making, making a note to pay attention to Adam Randall because if, you know, pigs start
45:39to fly, you know, the sun sets in the east and rises in the west.
45:44And Derek Henry begins to slow down, you know, Adam Randall would be a name to know or Derek Henry misses time.
45:51Adam Randall would be a name to know. And I don't really have a strong take on Adam Randall.
45:57I know my business, my business partner, James Coe, who's been doing some work on running backs.
46:03Like he loves Adam Randall. So, you know, that's something I'm definitely paying attention to that.
46:08And they have Justice Hill is like this, this number two back, but never becomes this is the type of guy that would not become the starting back.
46:17If Derek Henry misses time, he's the backup because he plays on passing downs and things of that nature.
46:23So, yeah, I mean, I'm definitely paying attention to Adam Randall just for the sake of kind of what we said about
46:30having a waiver wire speed dial option. I'm going moving on to the Bengals now.
46:35And I mean, we started with the Steelers pretty settled.
46:38We go to the Ravens very settled. We go to the Bengals.
46:42Yeah, I just don't know how what are we going to learn about, you know, somebody look good in a drill when
46:49it comes to Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase, Tee Higgins, Chase Brown.
46:53People are allowed to have varying opinions on those players, but we just can't be letting anything that happens in training camp change those opinions.
47:01Jamar Chase got into a fight with the defense.
47:04DJ Turner specifically, I believe, who's a really, really good cornerback for the Bengals, even though the Bengals defense isn't good.
47:11He's a great player. I think that might be the most interesting thing we hear about a Bengals skill position player over
47:18the course of the entire training camp. I would put it this way, though.
47:22The one thing I am paying attention to as it relates to those guys, and there's already been some buzz about this
47:29in the offseason, but there kind of always is.
47:32And it's one of those, like, I really will believe it when I see it.
47:37But it's not going to force me to change my rankings or anything like that.
47:42But I would just love to hear, you know, hey, Joe Burrow's going under center more.
47:47You know, they are trying to move the offense forward away from just the Peyton Manning, get him in the gun, do
47:54the sheriff's stuff, point and shoot type offense. And I mean, look, that's the way Burrow wants to play.
48:00That's why they've run the offense that way. I think they could push to being from, like, a top five to the
48:07number one ranked offense if they introduce some more of those modern concepts and everything like that.
48:13And it's been, like, bit by bit every season.
48:16They've moved Jamar Chase around more. They've used more motion.
48:19Again, I don't know that hearing that in training camp is going to force me to alter my rankings or my draft advice on any of these guys.
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49:40Okay, we're back with Matt. And I had one more Bengal topic that I guess I could ask you.
49:46But again, I feel like I'm stretching for topics.
49:49Because here we are, Samaj AP Ryan. Here we are.
49:52The thing is, as much as an early adopter on Chase Brown that I was, and two years ago, I was a flag player on the show.
50:01And everybody listening had him. And it was a really fun discovery.
50:05And so we're favorably inclined. I think by now, his price is catching up.
50:09And so now, I doubt he comes at massive value anymore.
50:13He does profile as a guy who would benefit from a competent second guy.
50:18It's one of those situations where I feel like, okay, are you going to be Devon A.
50:23Chan? Or are you going to be Bucky Irving?
50:26Is the massive workload simply going to make you go, as you've said, go nuclear?
50:31Or is it going to lead to a six-week absence?
50:34Because just eventually, Chase Brown hasn't broken down yet.
50:37But he's a smaller player. And you're always walking that line between, man, if you had a second guy who didn't steal
50:44too much, but there's always someone else, it almost would make me feel more comfortable with Chase Brown.
50:50But when that's Samadji Pirine, good Lord. I just can't.
50:53So I guess I would be interested to hear if Taj Brooks, you know, we've heard Matt Waldman come on the show
51:00and say he really liked Taj Brooks as a player.
51:03I watched his quote-unquote film. He didn't play a lot last year.
51:07Yeah. Is that worth paying any attention to at all in camp?
51:11Man, I wonder if they're a team that could end up trading for a running back.
51:16You know, I know that there are teams – I feel like everybody talks about the Cardinals when you come up with
51:23this because I think the fantasy community is probably trying to get one of these running backs out of Arizona, which I
51:30do wonder what the reaction would be if the Bengals traded for somebody like James Conner or something.
51:36But, yeah, I agree with you that, you know, I used to do a show with Austin Eckler and he would always
51:43talk about, man, he'd be on the show while being the fantasy RB1 overall, like begging for a second pitch, you know,
51:50running back to kind of take some of the punishment away from him.
51:55And I do think Chase Brown could probably use someone like that in the backfield.
51:59So I think that's something to monitor. I don't know.
52:03So I don't know that it's one of the guys they currently have on the roster.
52:08But certainly a guy like Brooks is worth paying attention to.
52:11Yeah, well, he's – in that he's a black box.
52:15We don't – Yep. We don't really – all we know is that he certainly did not force anybody's hand last year.
52:22And that doesn't mean he can't do it in the future.
52:25And if the way the training camp stories out of Cincinnati go are that, yeah, Taj Brooks is not really any more
52:32of a factor than he was last year. Cool.
52:35That dream ends. And if the stories are they've got their second guy and Samaj AP Rens roster spot is no longer
52:42– like it could go that way. I don't think it's going to mean you must draft Taj Brooks as the Chase Brown handcuff.
52:50I guess it could. And, of course, I mean that's the most fascinating part if a team that has a smaller feature
52:57back trades for a James Conner, say, for example.
53:00For sure, it's – I know the way this works.
53:03Chase Brown's ADP goes down. And, frankly, I want that to happen because I don't – I understand that maybe the path
53:10to him being the RB4 for the season gets narrower, but the path for him to be the RB13 maybe gets safer.
53:17Probably doesn't change at all, and people then would draft him later.
53:21Yeah, I'm really into Chase Brown this year. I think, again, there's a chance that this whole offense just really takes a
53:28step forward, and obviously Burrow being healthy would be a big part of it.
53:33But, yeah, I'm into Chase Brown this year, and I do think any sort of – any sort of anything to push
53:40his ADP down, which is probably not going to happen, I would be interested in that.
53:45I'd be like – I'd like to take him later.
53:48But, yeah, they're a team that just – very unsettled beyond Chase Brown and a guy that they haven't even committed to long-term in Chase Brown.
53:57So, yeah, I'm fascinated to track that if there's anything that comes to that backfield over the course of the next few weeks.
54:04All right. Well, Cleveland Browns, obviously, here's where the value is.
54:08I mean, it is. Well, here's where the – like, things are unsettled here for everything we just said.
54:14Yeah, it's certainly unsettled, and a lot of training camp stories that do matter and we will pay attention to.
54:20And I keep saying this as we get to the bottoms of these divisions.
54:25These are the teams where you will actually get value.
54:28These are the teams where if you can sniff it outright and everyone decides they're lost for dead, and then they submit
54:35a fine season as opposed to a disaster season, you find value.
54:39And we're not going to know until the games start counting.
54:42Like, we didn't know the Colts were about to be really good on offense.
54:47We didn't know the Patriots were about to be really good on offense this time last year.
54:52So, let's talk about Browns. I guess Quinchon Judkins is the one guy being drafted to be a fantasy starter, as he should.
55:00It was good tape before he got hurt. And the reports so far have been pretty optimistic about his recovery.
55:06You know, as long as that continues, I assume his ADP either stays where it is or even maybe goes up over the course of August.
55:15Feels like it would be tough for it to go up, but yeah, I think the fact that he's coming in healthy.
55:22Harold Fannin, too, obviously drafted as a tight end one.
55:25Oh, right. Sorry. But, yeah, but I just mean he's also coming off of an injury as well.
55:31Like, he had groin surgery this offseason. So, monitoring their health reports is probably the most important thing.
55:37I would just be interested, and again, this is really hard to know until you get to the real games, of course.
55:44But is Quinchon Judkins going to get more passing down work?
55:47Because you kind of need that on a team that's probably not going to be very good in the Cleveland Browns.
55:54Being an early down banger on what might be one of the five worst football teams in the NFL isn't ideal.
56:01But I do find myself, like, interested in this.
56:04This is, I'm sure I'm going to shock you when I say this.
56:08I do find myself really interested in this offense overall, and really being, like, maybe a bit too strong of a word.
56:15Because I think Todd Monken is a great offensive coach.
56:18I want Todd to survive this season because I think he's going to be really fun behind the mic.
56:24And I also think, again, smart offensive coach. And I think the run game will be well designed.
56:30I think Judkins could benefit from that. I just, obviously, we have a big question behind center, which hangs over all of this.
56:38But Judkins is a guy that, like, when I've looked at my rankings, I haven't really had a strong take one way or another on.
56:46But I do think if we hear, like, oh, he's going to be more of a true three-down back as opposed to he's the two-down.
56:54And then Dylan Sampson, who's a really nice pass catcher and pretty electric in his own right in certain areas.
57:00Him being that kind of third-down guy does limit Judkins' ceiling.
57:04So that's something to pay attention to is Judkins, like, passing down work.
57:08But, again, as you say, I just find it really doubtful that the Browns are going to tell us that.
57:14You know, they're not going to come out and tell Dylan Sampson the third week of August, you know, indirectly.
57:21You ain't doing anything to your big dog. Yeah, we're not really counting on Dylan Sampson for anything this year.
57:27You know, they're not going to give us that info.
57:30But, you know, you say there's a good chance this is a bottom-five offense.
57:35But I really think you could say that about half the league because we just don't really know beforehand.
57:41And so, as I said when we talked about the Dolphins and when we talked about the Jets and, you know, the Cardinals, this is where value is.
57:50If you can find the guy and you guess, you just sort of get – it's a late enough round that they don't have to start for you.
57:59Now, Fannin and Judkins do have to start for you where you have to take them.
58:04So, that's a different conversation. But everybody else, if a good player gets depressed because everybody just decides it's a hopeless environment
58:11and then they're the Colts of last year before Dana Jones got hurt, you suddenly have a fantasy starter out of nowhere.
58:18Judkins, as I say, isn't going to be – I have him 16 standard among running backs, 18 PPR.
58:25He could go higher than that, I guess. But, like, I don't think he's going to go top 12 at any point
58:32no matter what the role is, no matter – just because people are going to decide the Browns stink and I don't
58:39want any part of it and they're going to be playing from behind and all those things that we can't – we
58:46might have suspicions but we can't really know beforehand.
58:49And as such, I can imagine being okay and kind of happy if he's my RB2.
58:54I have found myself taking him as an RB2 for sure because I think he's a good player.
59:00Yeah, he's good. Yeah, he's a good player. It just always is going to be tough in that environment to really, really stand out for fantasy.
59:08But like you said, things can happen. And you're right, there's so many offenses that could be bottom five, but I also
59:15– like the teams you mentioned there, I can tell myself a story.
59:19That's what July and August is for, telling yourself a story.
59:23And if the story comes true in Cleveland, that's a back that I think is good and can hold down a role.
59:30Me too. Does the quarterback – you referred to the quarterback battle, the Shadur Sanders-Deshaun Watson battle of the Titans.
59:36Not the Titans, the Browns. Does that matter to you for the purposes of everybody else?
59:42I know you're not probably going to be real excited about having either one of those guys, even on a super flex team.
59:49But does the outcome – I kind of don't believe it's a battle.
59:53How in the world would you let Deshaun Watson play for you ever again when it's the last year of the biggest Albatross contract ever in NFL?
60:02But they're saying it's a battle. Does the result influence the way you think about everybody else's rank?
60:08Or is it kind of just like, I don't care, whichever one is going to be is going to kind of be the same impact on everybody else?
60:17You know what? I'm going to go ahead and say it actually really does because I think Watson is that bad.
60:23And I think – it's funny how this one has played out, you know, reading the tea leaves and stuff.
60:30Is right after, you know, the draft, some of the Cleveland reporters are like, yeah, no, they're going to – Deshaun Watson enters the offseason as the QB1.
60:39And then by the end of training – mini camp, it's like, well, Shador Sanders has closed the gap.
60:45And it's like, I don't think that's anything Shador is doing.
60:49I think that's just – oh, right. This is what it looks like when Watson, who was terrible, then pops his Achilles twice.
60:56Like, that's what he looks like. And then, you know, he opens camp with back-to-back passes that were intercepted.
61:02It was Deshaun Watson. So I'm actually going to go ahead and say this does really matter to me.
61:08Not because I find myself to be like a big Shador Sanders honk, but I actually think going back and somehow having
61:15the stones to watch the Browns offense last year, the fortitude to watch the Browns offense, I think Shador is not as bad as the stats indicate.
61:24And to be clear, the stats indicate he was the worst quarterback in the NFL last year, you know, among guys that played enough snaps.
61:32It's like him and Cam Ward. But Shador, I think he can be like a functional NFL quarterback with a lot of flaws, clear holes in his game.
61:41But if he's the starter for the vast majority of the season, I think that could be okay, you know, passable for the pass catchers.
61:49And I really like the pass catchers. That's what, and maybe, so maybe this is a little bit of hopium here, copium,
61:56but like I do, I really like Casey Concepcion.
61:59I really like Denzel Boston and how they compliment each other.
62:03I'm a little bit, I'm over the Jerry Judy experience, but those two guys in particular, I'm interested in.
62:09So, and I think Shador could be good enough for those guys to be like, all right, we, and maybe not starter,
62:16certainly not starters in fantasy necessarily, but guys are like, okay, I could throw Casey in my bi-week flex.
62:22You know, I know, I at least know what these guys can do by the end of the season, if that makes sense.
62:29It makes sense. And, and the way I would rephrase it, I would probably go even further and say, if Sanders, you
62:37know, if then that you just gave, which is if Sanders can kind of keep the boat afloat.
62:42Like, sure, Concepcion, Boston, whoever, might not be your week one starter, but again, we were saying the same things.
62:49It was impossible for any Colts receiver. It was impossible for, you know, and like by week four, we're like, I guess it's not impossible.
62:57Our, our, our minds are going to get blown in a thousand ways.
63:01And that's one that they could, but I'm so with you that it needs to be Sanders, that what's baked into my
63:08ranks, modest as they are for these Browns is, is a Shador Sanders under center and not Deshaun.
63:14And I got, you know, I didn't find Sanders's arm to be horrible.
63:18It's pretty strong. I didn't find his throwing accuracy to be horrible.
63:22It's fine. The problem was something that we're not going to learn in training camp, which is, would you please throw the ball?
63:29You're still holding the ball. Could you stop holding the ball?
63:33And he's just not mobile enough to, like, he can't get away with that.
63:38The thing that he would do at Colorado, which is just like run around until somebody got open.
63:43And he just can't do it in the NFL.
63:46And he's going to have to, you know, he has to throw the ball.
63:51But yes, if Watson wins that, he's not going to, I really don't.
63:55No, he won't. I mean, he might, he might be like, he might get like a ceremonial start in week one because they're just so pot committed.
64:04But I really feel, I honestly do feel like he will be so bad in camp that Mocken won't start him.
64:10I would be, I'd be shocked. Organizationally, wash your damn hands.
64:14What are we talking about? You want to put him in a position where he succeeds and you have to consider giving him another contract?
64:22What are you, crazy? Yeah, get him, get him out of everybody's face.
64:26He should just cut him. Just, let's, let's finish by talking about those receivers.
64:31Let's do the same routine. These two guys are more highly drafted than the Baltimore guys and a lot more is expected of them.
64:38Maybe right away. Again, like I know a little more about Concepcion and Boston.
64:43They're joining a receiving core that has a couple of incumbents.
64:46I liked Cedric Tillman, but he just can't stay healthy.
64:50I have a long, very long history of doubting Jerry Judy's ADP and being right every single year.
64:56How will we know? How will we know that Concepcion and Boston have superseded the veteran components there?
65:01What can we hear about? And please give me your evaluation of both of them.
65:06Well, yeah, by the way, it sounds like we're watching the same film on both Judy and Cedric Tillman.
65:12I think Tillman actually has a chance to not be on the roster just because they've been talking about Isaiah.
65:19I can't count on him, but I think somebody he'd be an interesting reclamation project for somebody because he really did in that 20.
65:26Yeah. And that 2024 season, like he showed some showed some stuff.
65:30And even at the beginning of last year was playing all right before.
65:35Again, he just he just can't stay on the field.
65:38They're talking up Isaiah Bond, too, as the third receiver or like some sort of member of the receiver core.
65:44Bond was an undrafted free agent because he felt completely fell out of the draft due to I will just leave it at legal issues.
65:52And you guys can do the Google for yourself.
65:55But he was not an undrafted talent. He was probably more of somebody you should think of, like as a third round, early fourth round type of player.
66:04So when you hear like, oh, Isaiah Bond is making that's not completely out of nowhere that that guy would make some noise.
66:12But the reason I bring him up is because I think this is another like they're going to they're going to say the right things about Jerry Judy.
66:21They're going to like. Yes. And then even right after the draft, I said, oh, he's Andrew Barry.
66:26The GM said he's our bell cow receiver, which I've never heard anyone refer to anyone as a bell cow receiver.
66:33And if there is such a thing as a bell cow receiver, it's definitely not someone like Jerry Judy.
66:39But they can say all the right things. But I actually do think there's a real chance that, you know, Jerry Judy
66:46could maybe even be like a midseason trade candidate or something like that.
66:51I don't know if they can outright cut him out of training camp.
66:55That would be a little surprising. But like there's a real chance that it's Boston at X, Concepcion at Z and Bond
67:02is like the speed slot by the end of the season.
67:05Because I think Judy could, again, maybe be like a midseason trade candidate if there are injuries.
67:11And again, I am a big I'm a huge fan of Concepcion.
67:15I was ahead of consensus on him as a prospect.
67:18I thought he was just someone that, yeah, he has issues at the catch point.
67:23He has some drops. But he has real separation ability.
67:26And I expect him to be deployed well in this offense.
67:30Some people compared him to like Zay Flowers. I could see that as like a usage type plan for him.
67:36I just think he is so explosive, knows how to beat man coverage.
67:40I'm a big fan of him. So I think he'll get designer opportunities, easy catches, which if it's Shudder Sanders at quarterback,
67:47I could see, you know, there even being some like PPR scam weeks for Casey Concepcion.
67:52But he's so talented that he'll make plays out of those.
67:56So I'm he's someone that I wouldn't just like cross off the list just because he plays for the damn Cleveland Browns.
68:03And then, you know, for Denzel Boston, probably less fantasy viable in year one because I think he will be used more
68:10as an X receiver outside on ball. But I also like him to be more than just an X long term.
68:17I think he fits more along the profile of like if we're talking about receiver families and the patriarchs of the family
68:24are like Michael Thomas, you know, Drake London, Ted O McMillan kind of in the next tier down.
68:30And then there's like Cortland Sutton and Michael Pittman, like X receivers who are a little bit more than that.
68:36Boston, I think, fits in that like kind of Pittman ish zone where he's he could be a big bodied X, but he doesn't have to just be.
68:45So I like Boston. I think the way those two guys complement each other really makes a lot of sense.
68:52So I am hoping by the end of the year that that they're kind of the starting receivers and and we're getting
68:59to see a little bit of them because from a dynasty standpoint, I think they'd be interesting if they had a real deal quarterback.
69:07So I have them both ranked inside my top 160.
69:10So, you know, throw throw late round picks at them.
69:13And I agree with you that right now I'm thinking of them as an as a tandem.
69:19But depending on what gets said about them, there's a chance that one of them could be elevated above the other.
69:25It's something very much worth paying attention to. Sometimes, you know, when you hear it about just how.
69:31The beat reporters say what it's like. Yeah. Concepcion is always out there and Boston comes in in the second group or
69:38in the competitive practices against other teams. They're only throwing Boston's way and Concepcion can't get a taste.
69:44And like, would you agree that's probably the I don't think it's likely that Todd Munkin or anybody else is going to
69:51come out and say one of these guys is a bomb and the other one's going to start for us.
69:58You know, it's you're having to read between the lines a little bit.
70:02Well, if anyone would say it, it would be Todd Munkin.
70:05But yeah, I don't think that would happen. And I think you would have to kind of read between the lines, mostly just like, yeah, reps.
70:14And that is what's interesting about Boston is that because he's the bigger body and look, I think Concepcion is and will
70:21be a better player than Jerry Judy. But just body type wise, deployment and role wise, there's probably less overlap with Boston than Judy.
70:28Although last year, and obviously it's different coaching staff, they weirdly use Jerry Judy at X receiver, which made no sense.
70:35And that was strange. But I do ultimately think that that's something that could be like a maybe like a tie that you break in favor of Boston.
70:44But I think the problem is there. He then, OK, he's going to run the difficult downfield routes.
70:50And I trust you or Sanders to like get the ball out quickly on designer stuff.
70:55And, you know, that is a little difficult. Yeah, yeah.
70:58I'll just I'll get you out of here on this question.
71:02If you get the if you get the Jerry Judy or Cedric Tillman release, you know, they're just they're cut by the end of camp.
71:10Listen, you know, the salary cap's fake. That doesn't matter.
71:13Like they just don't want to pay the actual dollars to Jerry Judy.
71:17He's making a lot of them and they can get out from under some of the less guaranteed money.
71:24Can because the quarterback is so bad, even if it's Sanders, we're still not saying it's good.
71:29I assume there's still a limit. You might bump one or one or both, depending on how the news is going of
71:36those two rookie receivers a bit higher in your receiver list.
71:40But I assume there there is a ceiling. But how high you'd be willing to go if it's Tillman?
71:46No, I don't know that I'd really bump them because I just right now.
71:50I just don't know how he projects into the mix here unless like we find out by the end of camp.
71:57Like, no, he's played so well. Like Boston is not going to start.
72:01But for Judy, yeah, no, I think if Judy was to get released, I would I would see a bump for both
72:08of these guys just because he like we can sit here and say like that.
72:13They don't think about they think about contracts and stuff like that when it comes to doling out playing time.
72:20So if he's not on the roster truly, then, yeah, I think that that would be a big bump specifically for Concepcion.
72:27How big a bump? Like not a top 100 player probably.
72:30Um, yeah, I don't I don't know about top 100, but like right now he's in that just kind of zone of,
72:37well, this guy's going to be on the field and he's got to be ranked as a top, you know, almost fringe top 50 receiver.
72:45I could see him getting up to maybe the in the mid 40s at receiver.
72:50And yeah, overall ranks like right now, again, I've got a Concepcion kind of in the deep and not in the deep hundreds, but like one 30 ish.
72:59I could see him getting close to the hundreds.
73:02Okay. All right. Well, it's those the Browns do contain some interesting stories to track and we will do so.
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74:24We'll nail them all like we do every year.
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