0:00It's the Harris Fantasy Football Podcast with your host, Christopher Harris.
0:03Welcome! Hey everybody, welcome in. My name is Chris and this is a show about life on Earth.
0:09Hello there everybody. Thank you so much for listening.
0:12Great to be with you here today. Want to say hello to Jonathan C.
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0:22Congrats so much on the toddler girly. I certainly am thinking of you and thinking wonderful thoughts.
0:27I hope she enjoys in some small way the yelling loon on this little podcast that could.
0:32And folks, we're less than two weeks from the start of August.
0:36Less than two weeks from going back to five shows per week.
0:40Less than two weeks from Almanac Day. With the goal overall, you know, around here trying to provide you with a different
0:47kind of voice when it comes to the NFL.
0:49I'm just not out here trying to predict the season.
0:53I think we're really bad at that beforehand. We, of course, all have ideas about the offenses that are going to be
0:59great, the teams that are going to be awesome, the ones that are going to stink.
1:04And if we were good at predicting those things, we'd all probably live in bigger houses or yachts than we currently do.
1:11I just like this morning put a point on this notion that we should be judging the quality of the NFL players
1:18individual seasons to be in 2026 by what, for example, the Vegas sports books think of them.
1:24I just did a spreadsheet exercise before I hit record just to take a quick spin through 2025.
1:29How many teams do you think finished within one game of their projected season win total last year?
1:35That would be nine, nine out of 32 teams.
1:38How many finished within two games of their projected season win total last year?
1:42That would be 17, which means 15 out of the 32 teams were off by two and a half wins or more.
1:4910 out of 32 teams were off by three and a half wins or more.
1:54That's fairly unbelievable. The Chiefs and Ravens, the Bengals and Cardinals and Commanders and Raiders, all teams and in some cases offenses
2:01that, you know, everyone was trying to sell you players off of because, you know, they're either going to be the best
2:07teams in the league or pretty darn good. And for various reasons, like we know the reasons, those definitely did not have good fantasy players on them.
2:16A lot of them. The Patriots and Seahawks, the Super Bowl participants had over under totals of eight and a half.
2:22The Broncos and Jags playoff teams were nine and a half and seven and a half and finished 14 and 13.
2:29And not every unexpectedly good team had this like unexpected offensive wagon that made everyone fantasy relevant either.
2:35But the point is, I hear about how people talk about this league and it's everywhere.
2:40It's about to be absolutely everywhere. That's all it's going to be in the shouty shows on McAfee.
2:45That's all you're going to get is is everybody who's sure.
2:49And when the league, what is it? More than one third of the league is off by three and a half wins.
2:56There's just a lot of things that we that are going to happen with these teams that we just don't know.
3:02And so I say all this. If you can somehow try to carve up the evaluation pie when you're thinking about individual
3:09players, you might want to draft for fantasy. If you can make the sliver of the pie that represents their situation, what
3:16you project for their offense, if you can make that as small as you possibly can, not make it zero.
3:22You're not made of stone. But try not to rule out guys because they're definitely on hopeless teams.
3:28Try not to go wild for a player you don't love because you're positive the team's going to be a wagon.
3:34That's what we're trying to preach around here. And we'll continue to do so for the next couple weeks part time and
3:41then starting on August 3rd full time. Okay. And so we do have an almanac coming out.
3:47And when I say we, I mean I. I'm the one who made it.
3:51The 3rd of August. It's two weeks from yesterday.
3:54You can preorder it right now. I said this on the Yacht Club yesterday.
3:58If you only have room for one Harris related purchase this summer, I'm also going to have a novel coming out.
4:05You'll be able to preorder the novel pretty soon.
4:08It's called Pound Foolish. You know, I worked for a couple months on the almanac.
4:12I haven't put a book out since 2018. So if you only had the luxury of buying one football related thing from
4:19me this summer, I would prefer the book. But anyway, if you can do both, that's incredible.
4:24Uh, let's read an almanac player profile here from a team in the NFC West.
4:29Since we're going to talk NFC West on today's show.
4:32Let's do Terrence Ferguson. Second year Rams tight end.
4:35I don't think we're going to do a lot of Terrence Ferguson talk in the meat of today's show or most of
4:42the topics that we do in August. Because while I'm going to say nice things about him, I'm still only ranking him
4:49right now as the number 19 tight end for fantasy.
4:52But I can say like, I've got part of the super deeper, super deep sleeper list worked out because after watching his
4:59film this summer, I think that's where he's going to land.
5:02Terrence Ferguson's profile goes like this. For a guy who caught 12 catches as a rookie, 11 in the regular season, one
5:09in the playoffs, Ferguson left an impression on me.
5:12Obviously it would take a role change for him to become must own in fantasy.
5:17And I'll talk about that in a minute. But what I'd like to mention first is this kid, lightly used as he was, looked like a stud playmaker.
5:26It takes a few minutes to watch that paltry number of catches.
5:29And if you have the means, I urge you to do it.
5:33You'll come away smiling. I don't know Sean McVay and I don't correctly predict everything he'll do.
5:38But the way he used Ferguson in 2025 looked very much like a feet getting wet scenario in preparation for something bigger.
5:45This kid is fast and he's really shifty at the top of a route.
5:50I'll direct you to a few of his catches.
5:52Week 10 against the Niners, Ferguson goes in motion and gets matched out of the slot against linebacker Luke Gifford.
5:59And oh my word, does Ferguson put Gifford in the torture chamber.
6:02He fakes like he's going to the post, shoves the 243 pound Gifford away like it's nothing, breaks out, then turns up
6:09the field with acres of separation, making Gifford look foolish for a 32-yard gain.
6:14Week 16 against the Seahawks, Ferguson is in the slot.
6:17Puka Nakua runs a clear out and it looks like a screen, but Ferguson puts his foot in the ground and cuts
6:24upfield and linebacker Drake Thomas is dead. Ferguson creates five yards of space downfield for a 27-yard gain.
6:29In week 17 against the Falcons, Ferguson is slot left.
6:33Safety Xavier Watts is in man. Ferguson does a little hitch and go.
6:37Again, dusted and over-the-shoulder grab for 27 yards. A full half of his catches were thrown 20-plus air yards.
6:43Famously, McVay has resurrected 13 personnel, which means three tight ends on the field at the same time.
6:48In theory, that makes it tough for Ferguson to grab a consistent roll when Colby Parkinson is scoring eight touchdowns and Tyler
6:55Higbee is around and the Rams also drafted Max Clare in the second round of April's draft.
7:00That's why I'm not ranking Ferguson anywhere near fantasy starterhood.
7:04But I'm telling you, there were times on film I had a hard time telling him apart from Nakua.
7:09It was an incredibly small sample size. But Ferguson looks so much different from all those other Rams tight ends that I
7:16think you could argue maybe the Rams aren't in 13 much at all because, in fact, Ferguson is a slot receiver.
7:23If things bend in his favor in September, I'll be ready to pounce.
7:27Okay, that's a slightly shorter profile because it comes a little later in the book.
7:32But as I say, he's number 19 on the tight end list.
7:35The Rams have so many guys. It's hard to get aggressive on him.
7:40But the value in going through the exercise of watching all that tape and writing all those profiles, I think it's like
7:46233 profiles this year coming out August 3rd. You know, if you do that, you do develop opinions that I think aren't
7:53going to be wildly common on some players. Maybe differentiates your fantasy strategy as you head into your draft in August.
8:00And so, yes, if you would like to pre-order to get ready for August 3rd, you can do it right now at harrisfootball.com.
8:07Today's kickoff. Okay, on today's show, we're in the second half of July.
8:11We're on the fifth of eight training camp previews.
8:14We go division by division. Today, it'll be the teams of the NFC West.
8:18A lot of big players in this division. A lot of noise we shouldn't pay attention to in August.
8:24But some stuff we should with the Seahawks, Rams, 49ers, and Cardinals to help sort through it.
8:30Ben Gretsch from the Stealing Signals newsletter will join.
8:32I think it'll be pretty darn fun, and I thank you again so much for listening today.
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10:03Hello, Ben. How are you? Good. Glad to be back with you.
10:06Excited to talk as we enter training camp about what's coming.
10:10Yeah, man. You've done this show before. You've received your relatively new recipient of the fascist email with all the bolding and underlining.
10:17But you know the deal. Well, we're looking for kind of click discipline.
10:21The goal around here is to try and react as little as possible.
10:25To be take committed as much as possible. But then also on certain situations, a little bit more flexible.
10:31So we're kind of under the umbrella of previewing training camps.
10:34We're talking NFC West. And we'll start with a team you know a little something about.
10:39And that team kicked my team's tuchus in the Super Bowl and made me cry at night, all night.
10:45It is the Seattle Seahawks. First of all, congratulations.
10:48Yeah. I mean, all the people around me very excited.
10:51I actually grew up a Vikings fan, even though I live in Seattle.
10:55But I know you're a Vikings fan. That's the bit, baby.
10:59That's right. It's been fun to see the excitement in the city and all of that.
11:04People are pretty thrilled. It's always kind of funny because I'm like, I'm a suffering Mariners fan.
11:09And I was a Sonics fan growing up. And they don't exist anymore.
11:13And Vikings don't win anything. And I'm a huge Washington Huskies fan.
11:17And they made the national championship a couple years ago and lost.
11:21None of my teams have ever actually won a title.
11:24So it's not great. Yeah, man. I, of course, know that you live in Seattle.
11:29I, of course, also know that you're not a Seahawks fan.
11:32That's the case. So, OK, the backfield for Seattle, obviously a very big story, you know, from the question of whether Zach
11:39Charbonnet plays all year and certainly does anything in training camp and whether that changes our perceptions and or ranks.
11:45That's feels like it's obvious. You know, if suddenly we get miracle recovery out of Charbonnet, Sabcav, Zach Charbonnet, we'll change probably a bunch of things in ranks.
11:54But then also just there are, as I've been saying, like forking paths of information where depending on how the team talks
12:01about Jadarian Price and how they talk about Emmanuel Wilson, who was the, you know, cheap free agent signing and how they
12:08talk about George Helani, who's the young in-house solution before Price.
12:11There's just a lot of different ways. I know, obviously, it's a situation where we're going to be monitoring almost every day.
12:18What are the kinds of things you specifically will allow yourself to be swayed by?
12:23Yeah, I mean, I think generally this question is often about the younger players and because we have such little information about
12:30them and then the positions that are more volume dependent, I'm pretty interested in hearing about.
12:35So Jadarian Price makes a lot of sense to this point.
12:38I mean, I think anything that points at early work is probably a pretty clear positive since we tend to expect young
12:45players to kind of earn more time as seasons progress.
12:48They obviously took him at the end of the first round.
12:52He's a fascinating guy because he was the, you know, sort of the backup to Jeremiah Love, you know, 1B, however you
12:58want to put that, really effective kick returner and, you know, good in little ways like that with the ball in his hands.
13:06But I want to know if they think he can be a workhorse, if they think he can get a ton of work.
13:13How do we make that determination based on sunshine that emanates from people's mouths who work for teams?
13:18What's the process by which you start to believe the, you know, I really find it hard to believe unless he gets
13:25hurt that the Seahawks coaches are going to say bad things about Jadarian Price.
13:30It's possible they say, you know, just not ready.
13:33We don't think he's going to play any third downs.
13:36There is a world for that to maybe have a tinge of like reading between the lines.
13:41But given, you know, if we don't get that, how do you like what do you need to be hearing out of the team and or beat reporters?
13:50Yeah, and I think, you know, this is one of those ones.
13:54I know you lean more toward a lot of the stuff is going to be not super helpful.
13:59And I am on the same way. I think we have to deal with a lot of uncertainty in fantasy.
14:05And I love this idea of, you know, having the discipline of our takes because the pricing probably is something that occurs more in season.
14:13So in terms of your question, I don't know that there's a clear answer.
14:18This is, you know, as we go through this division, there's a couple that I'm really kind of interesting or interested in.
14:25This is one that I'm maybe not so interested in.
14:28They kind of have things set up. They're coming off a Super Bowl championship.
14:32I doubt they're going to say a whole lot.
14:35Like you said, I mean, I think people are going to overact to overreact.
14:39To what does come out. The one guy that might be interesting here is George Helani has gotten a lot of positive
14:46buzz, even though he hasn't really done a lot on offense throughout his career.
14:51He's basically been kind of a special teams guy or depth running back.
14:55The fact that they talked about him so much.
14:57I've wondered as sort of if it's sort of offseason fluff.
15:01And if we get into August and we kind of stop hearing about him and everything's about price, that would be maybe
15:08more of an indication because you're right. They're going to say positive about price.
15:12But if we stop hearing about him and we haven't heard as much about Emmanuel Wilson as I expected, he did a
15:19good job of filling in for Josh Jacobs in Green Bay at times.
15:23But if we're not hearing about those other guys much and it's all price all the time.
15:28And as you know, to Charbonneau, obviously a key part of this as well.
15:33But his rehab, you know, very late ACL tear seems like it's going to go into the season a little bit.
15:39But we could hear something different on that. But if we're not hearing about the other guys as much, that might be
15:46the way that I would would try to frame it.
15:49Yeah. Try to frame prices, potential reliability, ascension or whatever.
15:52Yeah, it's a it's a tough one. I guess the good news.
15:56I mean, price is the one who's going to cost anything in a fantasy league because, you know, your aunt and my
16:03cousin are going to know that he went at the end of the first round and they wouldn't have spent that pick
16:10if they didn't plan on beating him like a rented mule, which isn't always true.
16:15But, you know, that's certainly going to be the perception.
16:18And so there's really outside of injury, nothing probably that can happen in that backfield that's going to like shuffle the way they're getting drafted.
16:26Um, Holani probably won't get drafted. Emmanuel Wilson, I have ranked in the, you know, 50s among running backs.
16:32You could argue that's a late round pick. You could argue it's kind of an exciting late round, you know, 14th round pick.
16:39If you're looking for upside, maybe Emmanuel Wilson doesn't profile as a great athlete who has a ton of upside.
16:45Um, so you're right. A lot of this is just about, okay, how over their skis do you think the common folks
16:52will be in everybody listening's drafts over Jadarian Price?
16:55And I guess the one good thing you'd say is that probably, whereas, you know, Jeremiah Love, the temptation is going to
17:02be for the market to go, we have to make him a top 10 fantasy running back for drafts.
17:08And you have to, we have to talk about really investing mass.
17:11We'll talk about him later. I doubt, I doubt we're going to get that level of excitement on Jadarian Price to get
17:18him in a place where if you took a pick, if you took a stab on him in the whatever, fifth round
17:25or sixth round, you're probably not going to, if it doesn't work out, you're not going to ruin your draft.
17:31Right. Yeah. No, absolutely. Okay. Sorry. Sorry. That was a little speech.
17:35No, I mean, it wasn't really much of a question.
17:38You're right about that. We're getting out of the other guys, but you're right.
17:43I kind of don't think my price rank is going to change that much at receiver for the Seahawks.
17:49In the abstract, I keep telling people how much I like Torrey Horton.
17:53It's me and Chris Collingsworth at that one commander's game last year when Horton scored the great touchdown and then immediately got
18:00hurt and was out for the season. Raving. What a route runner.
18:03You know, there's a question of his health. I, you know, I currently have Torrey Horton ranked a little bit ahead of
18:10Rashid Shaheed, the rural juror part two. Um, I guess like, are you receptive at all to news about either one of
18:17those guys behind Jackson Smith and Ajigba? I think that's, um, a fun ranking.
18:21I think Torrey Horton's a really interesting prospect, um, had five touchdowns last year on 13 catches, you know, 22 targets.
18:28I mean, a crazy efficient, um, touchdown rate. And it seemed like he was really starting to come on in his rookie
18:35year, an example of one of those guys that maybe would have been doing more later in his rookie year as he
18:42was starting to really build out his role and carve out his spot in the offense.
18:47And then he got hurt as he noted. Uh, yeah, I'm, I'm definitely open to, to positive Horton news.
18:53She, he did really not much with Seattle after coming over.
18:56Um, I do, I was thinking back to that old Mike Tomlin quote that it's hard to board a moving train and
19:03they were kind of where they were. And the fact that they went through the whole off season and decided they wanted
19:10to sign him to a new contract and find a real role for him and maybe build the off season stuff.
19:17I'm, I'm not like super optimistic on Shahid, but I do think he's probably going to have a real role.
19:23And, and so in terms of how that would affect my, my August stuff, I don't think there's a lot that's going
19:30to change sort of my read on this at all.
19:33I, I, um, I think it's a little tricky for Horton to get the full-time routes and stuff, unless you're pretty down on Shahid.
19:40And I don't think like a negative report or something would, would necessarily change that.
19:45Uh, I do think he's a really fun upside player.
19:48So that's, um, yeah, I'm excited about that. I guess he makes my list as somebody that I will pay attention to
19:55because I'm kind of in the bag for him a little bit Horton.
19:59That is, um, I'm not trying, you know, I'm, I'm trying to pick one of these Seattle receivers, maybe on some teams in the double digit rounds.
20:08I'm, you know, what's the number? I think I'm 57 among receivers on Horton 63 on Shahid.
20:13This is not me sticking my neck way out, but Horton, like there's, I think he still might not have a clean bill of health going into camp.
20:22He had some kind of surgery on something, um, like he had a fractured shin originally.
20:27Um, but it's unclear. Like as of, I don't, as of right now, I don't know.
20:32Did he have the surgery on the leg? Did he have it on his groin?
20:36Do you know? I actually don't. I don't think they've said, yeah, I don't, I don't think we could, we could know.
20:43So there is just a possibility that, um, I need to pay attention because I need to stop boosting Tori Horton artificially
20:50and realize that Rashid, and Shahid while, you know, I still don't feel like I've seen Shahid in the saints days or
20:57certainly not coming over from, uh, to Seattle, like really run a lot of good crisp intermediate routes.
21:03Um, he's a explosive player and in the right world can run right past Tori Horton and become the, the Jamison Williams
21:10type who just makes a whole bunch of plays.
21:12And suddenly why, why is he watching for 18?
21:15How's this happening? Like, I'm going to need to switch these guys.
21:19If Horton isn't healthy. Yeah. The health stuff. I I'm, I'm like trying to look it up as we're talking and I'm
21:26seeing stuff that's like, why, why are they being so secretive on that?
21:30It has been very unclear. So yeah, I mean, certainly if we got some, some poor health information that would, that would have to change the Horton optimism.
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22:12We are back with Ben and we're talking about training camps for these teams in the NFC West.
22:18We're on to maybe the most settled seeming skill group in the NFL.
22:22I say seeming because we're always wrong, but we think the Rams have kind of like settled their, their thing.
22:28Would you agree that maybe, maybe not in your mind, but that kind of in the football world's mind after this absolutely
22:35not being the case last summer, this summer, the Rams then kind of are the one that everybody's the most positive will be a wagon offensively.
22:43Yeah. I mean, there's a lot going for them.
22:46I mean, you said offensively, obviously the miles Garrett acquisition.
22:49Also, I think people are definitely high on their hands.
22:53Yeah. And you know, last summer, Matthew Stafford's back injury was going to bleed into the season and ruin any chance of all those guys being good.
23:01And isn't it funny how, isn't it funny how quickly we, we just move on from that stuff.
23:07I mean, last year, Chris Alave was never going to play again because of concussions.
23:11And no one's talking about that this year. Matthew Stafford was going to have to retire.
23:16He literally couldn't throw. I remember people with panicked social media posts.
23:20This is a debilitating injury. He's never going to be the same again.
23:24Wins the MVP. And now we're just, he has no injury issues at his age.
23:29Yeah. We're just positive that they're going to be really good.
23:32And I gave a little talk at the beginning of the show in which, you know, it's kind of the message is
23:39kind of like things are never as good or as bad as they seem.
23:44Things are never, you know, like we shouldn't, if I'll put it this way, we can have kind of a, let's have
23:50a meta conversation about Devante Adams because it's so fascinating.
23:54I think everybody watching Rams film last year knows that Devante Adams was probably a lesser version of himself, but the things
24:00he still did well, obviously the Rams take took unbelievable advantage of.
24:04He's still incredibly dangerous in a, in a phone booth and in the red zone, they just leaned on him again and again.
24:11He scores a million touchdowns. And like if those touchdowns are there for him again, he's once again, going to perform unbelievably
24:18well, but I don't think I, I don't think I or you were probably most people are ranking him as though last year's finish is likely to recur.
24:27And yet we're all like so convinced about the Rams offense being good.
24:31So why shouldn't he score a bunch of touchdowns?
24:34You know, it becomes this dance of like, we're, we're like pretending one way or the other on Adams.
24:40That's a great, yeah, it's a, it's a great way of putting it.
24:44I, then there was a little bit of talk of, you know, potential trade and it seemed like, like you said, they,
24:51the, the, the red zone stuff and the goal line stuff went exactly to plan and he was incredible.
24:57They also threw downfield to him a lot. The air yards, the high a dot stuff.
25:02Um, and he was like pretty poor on that stuff.
25:05You could see the age on anything where they, I think we're trying to get a vertical role out of him that
25:12would open up, you know, some of the shortened intermediate stuff for Nakua.
25:16And he, that's like you said, I mean, when I was watching it, my takeaway was he does, he's not a good
25:23fit for what they are trying to get out of him, you know, in this particular role, um, had one of his
25:30worst yardage seasons, you know, I guess since the, the early years, cause he had a couple of really poor years to
25:37start his career, but it's been years and years since he was as low as he was last year in yardage.
25:43But as you noted, I mean, he leads the league in receiving TDs to really fascinating profile.
25:48Yeah. I'm, I'm looking, speaking of profile, I'm looking at what I wrote for him from the Almanac and like in 2025
25:55before that season in his profile, I said, can you envision a pretty clear path for a wide receiver to maybe reach double digit, double digit touchdowns?
26:04Congratulations. He's in the top 20 and like way to undersell it.
26:08He finished wide receiver seven and he did it with under 800 yards receiving.
26:12Yeah. It's crazy. And, and yet, because we are like the Rams are going to be on everybody's list of offenses that
26:19you're pretty darn sure that if everybody stays healthy, they're going to score 30 points a game.
26:24I mean, you know, can, can you with a straight, I don't want to ask this as a rhetorical question.
26:30Can you look your readers in the eye and your listeners in the eye and tell them not to take Adams at any price?
26:38Like he's 34, man. You got to get out of it.
26:41Like I can't do it. I'm, I'm maybe a little bit more skeptical because like, I think maybe I can.
26:48And I do think the touchdowns could definitely be there.
26:51I'm not, I'm not saying to not take him at any price.
26:55I think the whole conversation is like, do you think he's going to score that many touchdowns again?
27:00I mean, that's the way I wrote it up was like straight up.
27:04Do you think, you know, do you want to bet on that again?
27:08But the, the age and stuff, I'm, it, it scares me.
27:12I always liked the younger guys as we, as we've talked about before.
27:16Well, fair. Yeah, that is fair. I mean, so like in a standard league, I think if, you know, you get to
27:23the fourth, fourth round, is it going to last that long?
27:26I don't know. In PPR, it's yeah, probably, probably, I would probably be willing to take the shot because the Rams offense
27:33has the potential to be so extraordinary that if it's the fourth round of a 12 team draft, I would, it would
27:40depend on what else I did and the first three picks, but I could see myself doing it.
27:46I don't know if that's how drafts will work out because he was the wide receiver seven.
27:51Yeah. It's a great point about a standard as well, or, or like a half PPR versus a full PPR.
27:57I mean, I think it's going to be very different for him, but to the point about like what news from the Rams might be interesting.
28:05I mean, this is a team that they've had some, some big August buzz in recent years, like that have worked out,
28:12like Puka Nakua was getting a lot of August buzz.
28:15This is one of the teams in the NFL where maybe I'm most interested to hear about the young players.
28:22The year that Kyron took over for cam acres, we were hearing all about this Kyron Williams guy, this young guy.
28:28And I think, you know, cam acres for a lot of people was, he was going higher in drafts and was expected to be the lead back.
28:37But Kyron kind of took over that role by like week two.
28:40And so this is a team. And then they've done some weird things with usage where like Blake Corum last year, he
28:47went from basically no rookie work to a real year to roll.
28:51And so I am looking at some of the young guys on this team.
28:55And you mentioned Adams, one of the guys I'm interested in is the second year tight end Terrence Ferguson, because he had
29:02a really high eight for a tight end. He had some strong yardage TD efficiency as a rookie.
29:08They've talked a little bit about him knowing the wide receiver positions, which is usually just kind of buzz that they do.
29:15But, you know, they like to do the heavy personnel and like the 13 personnel and then flex out the tight ends
29:22when they get the right defensive personnel, get the defense and base and all of those things.
29:27And so Ferguson to me is one I'm definitely keeping my ear open for a lot of hype and buzz because he's
29:34this late round tight end where they may see him as a real matchup piece going into year two, like the Kyron
29:41stuff, like the Blake Corum stuff where they didn't necessarily use him.
29:44It's kind of got hurt a little in his rookie year, but they didn't necessarily use him a bunch.
29:50But then they had this big role plan for him in year two.
29:54And we just kind of learned that in the regular season.
29:58So he's what I'm keeping a little bit of an ear open.
30:02If Adams can't do some of the vertical stuff from last year, then that's kind of one of the guys that I
30:09think might have the potential for some upside or if there's maybe a wide receiver they're talking about.
30:14I mean, they have a bunch of like random young receivers that don't look that interesting to me.
30:20That's why I kind of zero in on Ferguson.
30:23But yeah, this is a team where like a little bit of August buzz has sometimes signaled a real role in season,
30:30maybe more than any of the other 31 teams.
30:32So that sound you heard, Ben, was America's eyes rolling back in their heads because you don't know this.
30:38You don't know this, but I read Terrence Ferguson's profile off the top of the show for specifically this exact reason that I mean, it was 12 catches.
30:47So you got to like, I got to check myself, but I love the tape so much.
30:52He looks like a freak on those catches. I can't get him.
30:56You know, he's inside my top 20 tight ends, but you're not you're not drafting tight end number 19.
31:02I don't want you to draft two tight ends in a standard league.
31:06So it's like hard to say, oh, he's a must draft after, you know, nine catches, you know, like a kid, but,
31:13but a hundred percent, like I, I'm susceptible to camp buzz on him.
31:17Absolutely. I love it. I love hearing you say that.
31:20As far as the Kyron Corum share goes, I can't imagine a world that we come out of Rams camp thinking, wow.
31:27Wow. The Rams have made it really clear that Blake Corum is going back to some subservient role.
31:33Like, no, they're going to the whole storyline. The whole time is going to be, we got two guys.
31:39This is unbelievable. We're a wagon. And so probably nothing's going to change.
31:43I don't know. I don't want, let me ask it.
31:46Bearing an injury, is anything going to change in the way you're regarding those two Rams running backs?
31:52Probably not. Yeah. So like me too. And so wherever kind of, you know, wherever we're recommending people take them, we're recommending people take them.
31:59I think I'm higher on Kyron Williams. I've been told I'm, I don't really look at ADP this time of year, but like, give me a few weeks.
32:08I will. And I think I'm told I'm higher on Kyron because other people are more scared of Corum than I am.
32:15And they're allowed to be. I don't know what's going to, I can't see the future.
32:20I don't know if it's a 50, 50 split.
32:23I've probably biffed it a little bit. My tendencies think it won't be.
32:27And that in most running back NFL backfields, there's usually another guy and it can be a little frustrating week to week.
32:34I remember a Europe game last year where Tyler Algier scored a couple touchdowns and the John Robinson people lost their minds.
32:41Like this happens. But given that we're not going to change our minds, I think probably like the upward pressure that people
32:48are going to feel is going to be for Corum because nice things are going to be said about him.
32:54Right? Yeah, probably. I guess the one thing that would be interesting to me on Corum would be receiving work because last year, Kyron got all of it.
33:03Like they split the carries, but Kyron plays a lot more.
33:06And I mean, Kyron is always kind of under fire, but he's had 250 plus PPR points three straight years.
33:12But Corum last year only ran 116 routes and his yards per hour run was 0.31, which is really poor.
33:19I don't expect people to know the scales or anything, but certainly not an efficient receiver in the limited work that he got.
33:26Whereas Kyron ran more than three times as many routes.
33:29He had 350 routes and was meaningfully more efficient.
33:32And they like him as a pass blocker. And he's sort of the veteran and those things.
33:37If they start talking a ton and it's just like this heavy drum beat that Blake Corum's going to play more on
33:44passing downs, maybe I'll be more concerned about the split for Kyron.
33:48But I do think Kyron is meaningfully more valuable for fantasy because the receiving stuff's pretty important and he seems to really have that.
33:55And I guess I don't see any kind of conversation in August that's going to convince me that, you know, after Blake
34:02Corum had a really poor year on a very limited receiving role, he's going to suddenly have a ton more work.
34:09I mean, I guess the other thing would be if Jack was Hunter as another year two guy, kind of like the
34:16Ferguson stuff suddenly got a bunch of buzz. I don't think he had an interesting profile to me.
34:21He didn't play at all as a rookie and I don't think there's a lot of room for him, but we just
34:28saw Corum go from a very limited rookie role to a big year two role.
34:33And, you know, maybe they were really holding Jack was Hunter back because of an organizational philosophy that the rookies aren't ready or something.
34:40So if he started to get a bunch of buzz, oh, it's going to be a three headed committee like, yeah, that may change my opinion as well.
34:49But I mean, short of a bunch of Corum receiving optimism or a bunch of optimism from guys further down like a Jack was Hunter.
34:57I just yeah, I think the Kyron and Corum thing is going to be kind of what your offseason research tells you it's going to be.
35:05I like it. I like I think you're right in both counts.
35:09To be honest, it's tough to know what's believable when it comes to Corum receiving work.
35:14It might be the kind of thing that we, you know, get get whiffs of.
35:18But then suddenly week one, week two happened. We're like, oh, you know, that's a big change.
35:24So but it's worth it's worth taking a look at.
35:27I agree. And of course, because it's the offense everyone agrees is definitely the best in the league.
35:33It matters. And both guys, both both of those running backs, not Hunter, but the other two are going to get drafted for sure.
35:40Just a matter of where the 49ers. Yay. Let's spend another summer obsessing over who Christian McCaffrey's backup is.
35:46Yep. The 49ers are not going to tell you they're not going to let it slip.
35:51You want to talk about an opaque box? We are not going to.
35:55I mean, maybe we will. I don't it's I don't really I don't I don't really think we're going to get that information.
36:02It's a bunch of bodies that everybody's kind of like surprise.
36:06Really? Kaelin Black. OK, maybe. I don't know. It matters very much.
36:09I would love to have a clear handcuff if I took McCaffrey in the first round.
36:14It's a massive risk just because last year went well doesn't mean this year will go well.
36:20What's your level of confidence that you'll have a great answer about handcuffable players to McCaffrey by the end of August?
36:26It's extremely low. My level of confidence is this is feels like a complete coin flip.
36:31We learned nothing about Jordan James last year. He played three offensive snaps and didn't get a touch in the regular season.
36:38They gave him a few touches in that blowout 41 to 6 playoff loss to the Seahawks.
36:44That was it. I mean, that was his whole season.
36:47He got, you know, six carries in garbage time and caught one pass.
36:51Didn't touch the ball all season. And they're talking about him like he might be the number two.
36:56And then they go draft Kaelin Black, who everyone is saying was a huge reach and overdrafted.
37:02And the profile is not great. And I mean, one of the things is neither of these guys necessarily has a huge receiving profile.
37:09And Christian McCaffrey is the preeminent receiving running back of our whole generation.
37:13And when he got hurt two years ago, Jordan Mason didn't do as much as a receiver.
37:19Maybe if again, to get to the sort of the receiving stuff, if we start hearing that Kaelin Black or Jordan James
37:26is, you know, running the Christian McCaffrey playbook in camp or something, he's running a lot of routes.
37:31And he's going to be the guy that if McCaffrey goes down, that they can do some of the stuff in the passing game with.
37:39But to me, it seems like it would be a Jordan Mason situation where if McCaffrey went down, we're not even going
37:46to get they're going to have a different playbook.
37:49We're not going to get the receiving stuff. And to your point, this is not a team that's going to tell you.
37:56I don't have any optimism at all that we're going to learn anything about Kaelin Black or Jordan James.
38:02And I don't think we know anything coming in either.
38:05They both feel like total question marks. So it's I mean, it's he's a really old back and he led the league in touches last year.
38:13And it seems like an important conversation, but we don't know anything.
38:17We really don't. If you if you are someone who takes the plunge on McCaffrey mid first round, do you find yourself
38:23just saying, yeah, I'm going to have to live with the risk?
38:27There isn't an obvious handcuff. I'll do my best if and when there's a CMC injury.
38:32Or do you are you someone who tends to go belt and suspenders and says, you know what, in the 12th and
38:3913th round, I'm just going to take both of those guys.
38:43I tend to avoid the handcuff because if I'm making that pick in the first round, I kind of need McCaffrey specific skill set on the field.
38:51Like I don't I'm kind of feel like I'm making my bet.
38:55You know, you you're one person in a 10 team league or one person at 12 team league.
39:00You kind of need some things to go right to win anyway.
39:04Having said that, if you know, you just said the 12th and 13th, if that's the price I have to pay, I wouldn't do it.
39:12If these guys are cheap enough, if people are not really pushing them up and it's maybe a league with a little
39:19bit of a deeper bench, I could see very cheaply stashing them both.
39:23If like I said, if there's a lot, if there's depth on the bench and some flexibility to do that.
39:29But otherwise, I mean, if I'm making the McCaffrey bet, I'm probably we want to be confident in our first round picks.
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40:47F-I-T-B-O-D dot M-E slash Harris. We're back with Ben and we've got more Niners talk and then some Cardinals talk.
40:54Receivers for the Niners. You've got Mike Evans as a new body with the 49ers.
40:58You've got Christian Kirk as a, you know, secondary body.
41:02Boy, you say secondary and then you remember what Houston was like in December and in the playoffs.
41:07You go, oh God, that's all I need. And then you've got the second round pick, Dejan Stribling.
41:13And you've got Ricky Pearsall, who I have felt like has looked very good when he's been healthy.
41:18Just hasn't been healthy much in two years. I, you know, again, we talked before the break about how the Niners are
41:25opaque when it comes to definitive statements about how they're going to use their players.
41:30I don't know. Do you, do you have anything?
41:33Do you have a spin on what you want to pay attention to in August that could influence how you're thinking about those players?
41:40I mean, maybe it was Stribling if we hear a lot about how he's going to play the Jawan Jennings role fully
41:47because it seems like they like his, his blocking and that's kind of how they, they view him is as a replacement for that Jennings role.
41:55Then I would be a little optimistic that, I mean, I think we should expect him to be on the field a little.
42:03He was another one where people think it was a little bit of a reach, I think, but he was the first pick of the second round.
42:11He was 33rd overall. I mean, they took him very high.
42:14He's got, you know, good ball and hand stuff on, on film and in his profile.
42:19And I think he's a limited player, but an interesting player.
42:23And so if they're talking about him being on the field, he's going really, really late.
42:28I would probably be pretty interested. Okay. And I, I would do on Pearsall.
42:32I thought he looked great, but I think people are sort of overreacting to the fact that he had zero touchdowns last year, which they always do.
42:41You know, we're talking about the other direction with Devonta Adams earlier.
42:44I'll probably listen on Pearsall too, but I don't, again, like you said, I don't know that we're going to get a
42:51ton on like a Ricky Pearsall other than your general, like positive stuff.
42:55Yeah. And then there's, you know, George Kittle, which I know you want to talk about too, but I thought we're going
43:02to learn anything more than optimism on him. We've been getting nothing but optimism.
43:07He's, he's going to be back. He's how will he play in week one?
43:11Will he not? Oh, now he's going to play in week one.
43:15He's going to travel to Australia. First, it was like, maybe he won't.
43:19And I mean, he tore his Achilles late in the year, so it's kind of like whatever you want to bet on
43:26with regards to this highly efficient player coming back from an Achilles injury.
43:30Will he be able to be that highly efficient player is, is more of an in-season question than how his rehab is going.
43:37They're telling, they're going to tell you he's looking great.
43:40And like, as you're talking about, we're not going to get any real substantive, substantive news on him either.
43:46Let's talk about them all together. Because when you're talk, when you talk about Evans and Kittle, you're talking about two of
43:53the great fantasy producers of the last decade. When you talk about Pearsall, you talk about somebody who on film, I think
44:00has looked really good, really wiggly, very fast. And was a first round pick.
44:04And then you've got Stripling as a second round pick.
44:07I mentioned Kirk as like, I think probably Kirk, in his best case, serves as an annoyance.
44:13It's not like I didn't write a profile for him in the top 80.
44:17He's not my top 80 receiver, so I'm not talking about him as a fantasy option, but like as a drain potentially.
44:24The annoying thing is going to be the way the Niners really aren't that believable.
44:29And it will be a whole, whole, whole bunch of sunshine.
44:32The sunshine to me on Pearsall will be maybe a little more believable.
44:36That just may be a predisposition. And it will not feel as believable because exactly as you said for Kittle, like rehab is one thing.
44:44But playing at the level with a torn Achilles, very late in the season torn Achilles, is just, I'm just going to have to see it.
44:52Like I'm probably just not going to partake in fantasy wise.
44:56I'm not going to draft him. Yeah, I'm having a hard time getting around to the optimism.
45:01I think people are really focused on all this optimism about a new type of Achilles repair and he can get on the field quicker.
45:09And I'm like, well, I want him to be the same George Kittle when he's on the field.
45:14The fact that he's always been a really highly efficient player is pretty important here.
45:19Is he going to have that explosiveness, you know, six months, eight months removed from a January Achilles tear?
45:25I guess it's not six or eight months, but it's not a year.
45:29He's going to play the whole year within a year of the actual injury.
45:34So you got to really hope that he's been able to rehab all the other muscles around it and still has all
45:40the quick twitch stuff and all that. Yeah, they're going to tell you all sorts of sunshine and rainbows.
45:46But I think, you know, if you're pessimistic about Kittle being able to be in 2026 what he's been in the past,
45:53you need to ignore all that optimism. So I'm so negative.
45:57I just bring the negative out on other people.
46:00You know, he's not going to cost so much that you'll ruin your season by taking him.
46:05No one's taking him in the fifth round anymore.
46:08Like he's going to go late. And I did get him in my top 12, number 12.
46:13So I'm trying to acknowledge that you're really, if you're not taking probably McBride and Bowers, as long as you're not taking
46:20those two guys at their prices, which is arguable, but the price is just so high that I will tend not to do it.
46:27You kind of can't ruin your season with any of these guys because there's going to be someone else.
46:33You know, you'll pick up Isaiah Likely who went undrafted in your draft because Kittle isn't doing anything and then you'll be okay.
46:41Like you're not going to ruin. It's just, you know, losing fantasy games week one, week two, week three while you decide that, that matters.
46:48That can hurt you by the end of the year.
46:51So it's, yeah, just hate to come across like don't want Kittle to be, you know, Kittle's one of my guys.
46:58I love Kittle. Like, of course I want him to be okay.
47:02That'd be great. But I just don't feel like I can believe.
47:06Much of anything that they say. How about, how about belief?
47:09Because Pearsall's injury stuff gets, has to be separated in two separate camps.
47:13One is getting shot. The other is having regular football stuff.
47:17And he certainly hurt his knee very early in the year last year and probably was never right.
47:22I'm with you that like, please give me like no injury drama in August and let people get hoodwinked by bad stats
47:29and a frustrating season because I have a feeling I will once again, there if I get, if I get the quiet
47:36August out of him, I think I could be in on Pearsall.
47:40Yeah, I agree. I mean, I think so too.
47:42He's, he's like, he had a much more, like if you look at the stats and in addition to what you're saying
47:49about the film, he had a much more interesting year too.
47:53His, his ADOT was a little higher. His targets per outrun were a little higher.
47:58He was earning more, more volume at a deeper depth and, and giving himself more room for, for yardage.
48:03I was optimistic about his, um, year two is his yards per target went up.
48:08Um, and so like his yards per outrun. I mean, those are some of the stats that I like to look at just as a barometer.
48:16I mean, it went up by like more than a half a yard.
48:20I mean, he, he looked like he was having kind of a breakout year too, but again, distance scoring touchdowns and he gets hurt again.
48:28And so it's just kind of a question of health and those things, but, um, I'm with you.
48:34Yeah, I think he's a guy you can certainly find the optimism in, even if it's just a quiet thing and we're
48:41not hearing injuries and we're not hearing those kinds of things.
48:44A couple of positive reports about pure salt, clean bill of health.
48:48He seems like a pretty good value. Me too.
48:51I think so too. All right. Uh, those are three very good teams.
48:55It seems like, although maybe one of them won't be because that's the way the NFL goes.
49:00And then the, the, uh, the team that obviously has no chance of being any good whatsoever.
49:05Uh, that's not true because teams surprise us all the time.
49:09The Cardinals last year, I just did win total talk to start the today's show.
49:14Their, their win total was eight and a half last year.
49:17Like people thought they'd be okay. And so they weren't, obviously they were awful, but like they can turn around and be okay again.
49:25Um, so, so these are the kinds of teams to me that we're going to find value on because the market's going
49:31to decide, I, you know, there's nothing there. They're not going to score any touchdowns.
49:36There's no yards there. McBride and nobody else. McBride and maybe love.
49:40And maybe, maybe that's right, but we're wrong all the time.
49:43Um, let's talk about love and the Cardinals backfield.
49:46Uh, you know, there's a chance to overreact, but there's so many players there that of course we need to be tracking
49:53this week by week in Cardinals camp. It, it matters what it sounds like.
49:57It matters if they trade one of the four bodies they have there.
50:01It matters if they cut somebody. It matters if somebody can't get healthier, can't get off the side fields.
50:07It's, you know, in the end, is it going to change?
50:11Are you going to go from Jeremiah love is a third round pick to Jeremiah should be taken at the end of the first?
50:18Probably not, but I assume this will, this is one you'll be tracking.
50:22Yeah. I mean, I think for me, it's, I'm most curious about who might be gone.
50:27They restructured Connor. They paid Algier some money. Then they drafted love.
50:31They seem completely done with Trey Benson, who they use a day to pick on a couple of years ago, but has obviously been unable to stay healthy.
50:40But before he got hurt last year, he was starting to earn more work from Connor before Connor's injury than he had the year prior.
50:48Then Connor goes down and it's like, oh, they were already trying to get him more work.
50:53He's been efficient. He's going to take off and then he gets hurt.
50:57And now he's like maybe fourth. And so like, if he's, if he's on the move somewhere, I actually think he could
51:04be pretty interesting in a different backfield. He had a 5.5 yards per carry rate last year.
51:09I mean, obviously it's not the most sticky staff, but some of the peripherals like to look at the evasion rate.
51:16Yards after contact. Some of that stuff was really interesting for him in year two.
51:21Never really ran a lot as a prospect or anything, but I'm certainly, I think Benson's the one I'm most interested in
51:28listening to or listening about and where he's at.
51:30And if they, if they let him go, cause they, they kind of seem, seems tough to keep all four of these guys around.
51:38Um, if Connor's the one they let go, I mean, he's a respected veteran, I think around the league that was kind of taught to talk about him.
51:47Like he's a, you know, a captain. And, um, if he winds up somewhere else, I think it could impact another, uh, backfield.
51:54So I'm, I'll be listening into Cardinals camp for, for those backs for sure.
51:58I do think love, I mean, what the, the draft capital is, as much as they've invested in him is going to
52:05be a big part of what they're doing going forward.
52:08And they gave a lot of guaranteed money to, to Tyler Algier, who does still plan some special teams and, you know,
52:15he's going to have some different roles, but he's going to be involved.
52:19But yeah, to your point, I mean, as they talk through these different things and what we hear, I mean, there's, there's
52:26a lot of uncertainty in this backfield. Um, and I think it could open up an opportunity or, or be bad for
52:33the assumed lead backs in another offense. It could open up, you know, the way that we now analyze a different backfield,
52:40depending on, you know, who it is and where they land and if they move and all of those things.
52:46Yeah. You know, the Packers get bad news on a Josh Jacobs suspension and suddenly Trey Benson is in Green Bay.
52:53We're going to look at it very differently. It's going to be its own challenge to figure out, okay, was he ever good?
53:00It's hard to know. He just didn't play a lot.
53:03Never saw him catch anything, but had the draft pedigree and had some obviously traits people liked.
53:08So it could change the way we feel about it.
53:11It's funny. I mean, love before he gets drafted by Arizona, people are ready to say he's the, he's it.
53:18He, I know everybody said Ashton Gentry was it, but no, this guy's really it.
53:22You're like, Oh God, you know, every, every year there's a guy who's it.
53:27And then as I said in the almanac, the beginning of love's blurb goes, it only took two words to prevent Jeremiah
53:34love from becoming the most hated man in fantasy in 2026, Arizona Cardinals.
53:38Because whatever leavening effect, the fact that love goes in the top five in the NFL draft, he gets, you know, smashed
53:45down because people decide he's in a completely unwinnable situation.
53:48Just, you know, I think probably even if Trey Benson had already been cut, people would still be like, it's still the Cardinals.
53:55He, you know, he's going to have a gente type situation from his rookie year where sure he might get a lot
54:02of work, but it's just going to be frustrating.
54:05And I don't want to, and my, I guess, philosophical bent is to say, cool, the offenses you decide are hopeless.
54:11I want to maybe invest in because we're wrong about off hopeless offenses all the time.
54:16And so it's, it's a weird back and forth with love where people are convinced the team will be terrible for sure,
54:23but convinced he's the greatest prospect ever. And I guess all of that is by way of saying, sure.
54:29I guess I can see a world where he becomes so undeniable in intra squad drills in the, you know, the controlled scrimmages against other teams and stuff.
54:38I can see a world where there, there starts to be real hype that moves loves ADP up into like the second round.
54:45Can't you? Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Um, he's yeah. I mean, you, you, I, I, I like your take that these guys could
54:52be a lot better than people think because they're talking about him as, as so bad offensively.
54:57Um, and you have Trey McBride and you have this now really dynamic running back.
55:02And if Marvin Harrison can ever live up to anything close to his pedigree, I mean, there's a lot of skill position talent here.
55:09Actually, Michael Wilson had a great year last year.
55:12Um, the depth of running back we were talking about and yet one of the, one of the notes that has me
55:19concerned as I'm thinking through if I'm too low on them and listen to what you're saying, which, which I do really
55:26like the take is just that they, if you look at their, like the Vegas forecasted wind totals and look ahead to
55:33the 2026 stuff, they have the hardest schedule in the league by kind of a lot.
55:38Like even though they, you know, get a play last place schedule, they wind up, it's mostly because they have to play
55:45the other teams in their division twice each, but also the other divisions that the NFC West lines up with are tricky.
55:52And so the Cardinals are like 10 point underdogs in their first, like eight games or something, you know, there's some absurd
55:59stat that I saw and that just makes it really tricky for the running backs as well.
56:04But I do think they could be better than people expect.
56:07As you were saying, I just, I, I'm, I'm fascinated on, on, on sort of how their season could go with again,
56:14a lot of talent, but this extreme expectation that it's going to be a rebuilding year.
56:19Yeah. The, the noise that I'll be paying attention to at a Cardinals camp, they've got some really good beat reporters and
56:26I'll be paying attention to just is ever, is everybody sort of just, it's a fate accompli.
56:31Tyler Algier is mad that he signed there because he had no idea they were going to sign love and he's can't,
56:38you know, can't really get on the field on third downs.
56:42And James Connor is retiring and it just is love show.
56:45I can see a world where that happens. And I, and I, I have a love like RB 17 right now, which
56:52probably means I'm not, I'm mostly not going to get them, but that's not so low compared to where I usually am on the, on the rookies.
57:01I'm, I'm the crotchety version of the opposite version of you who, you know, I know you, I do enough drafts with
57:07you to know that you often are looking for upside you're reaching.
57:11Um, and I'm usually not that guy. I'm not so off on love that it's impossible that I could wind up elevating
57:18him if he gets that kind of camp. I, you know, whether or not that's possible with so many bodies, that's good question.
57:25I don't know. Maybe it's just not possible for somebody who's covering the Cardinals beat to get like that wound up on
57:32Jeremiah love when he's, when he's, you know, for half of camp, he's got to fight with three other guys for reps,
57:39you know, that much might be unrealistic, but I'll at least be somewhat susceptible to it.
57:44You mentioned the receiving, um, Marvin Harrison, Michael Wilson.
57:47I mean, Michael Wilson was just better last year and sure.
57:50Harrison had the appendicitis and he had other injuries and stuff, but like, there's just no, it was in a hopeless situation
57:57in service of a terrible long losing streak. And you don't really want Kobe Brissett throwing that much cause you're losing that
58:04by that much, but like, there's no world in which Michael Wilson didn't produce better than Marvin Harrison.
58:10How are you handicapping them to draft this year?
58:13I actually have them really close to each other in my ranks.
58:16Um, and then do you imagine a world where that can change in August?
58:21It's incredibly difficult. I like to look at the sort of longer term profiles back to college and those things.
58:27And, and, you know, obviously Harrison had the huge pedigree.
58:30Um, but you're right. Wilson is, is the one that looked like the better fit in the offense last year was incredible with percent.
58:38Um, I'm, I'm hitting capping them as, you know, relatively similar, um, probably leaning a little bit more toward Harrison, but I
58:45don't feel strongly about that at all. I, I, I don't think this is a, a situation we're going to learn a lot from camp.
58:52I guess the one thing for me is I do want to hear the reports on Carson Beck.
58:58I think sometimes with the, and, and watch him, you know, in the preseason.
59:02And sometimes we, we do get a decent feel for what the quarterback, the young quarterbacks could be and how quickly they're coming along.
59:10I think if he's playing a decent amount this year, that's probably a negative for the past offense relative to Brissette.
59:16Who's just got this big arm and stands back there and, you know, is going to get the ball out.
59:23And a lot of his dropbacks are going to turn to pass attempts.
59:27He's not going to necessarily take a ton of sacks or scramble or whatever.
59:31Young guys tend to hold it a little longer, uh, maybe take a higher sack rate and some of those things.
59:38And Brissette stood back there last year and threw the ball ton.
59:41And that's why we got so many targets to, to the key guy.
59:46I mean, Michael Wilson, 18 target game and two more 15 target games.
59:50And Trey McBride had like 50 more targets than any other tight end.
59:54I mean, it's, it was absurd last year. If Brissette's back there, even it'll be different in a different offense, but even
60:01in a different offense, you know, you have the optimism for a lot of volume targets and all of that.
60:07If Beck is getting a lot of buzz and I mean, what's the deal with Brissette?
60:12He's wanted a new contract all off season. And you know, is, is he going to hold out into camp?
60:18Like, what are we going to learn about Jacoby Brissette here in the next week or a couple of weeks?
60:24Is he going to report? And that's going to be that.
60:28Um, those are the things that I'm probably paying a little bit more attention to, but, um, and, and I, if it
60:35seems like Brissette's going to be the quarterback the whole year, I mean, I, I think Wilson had a real connection with
60:42him and I think the QB wide receiver connection stuff is pretty important.
60:46And so, um, yeah, the quarterback stuff is, is a huge part of what I'm looking at.
60:51Okay. Yeah, that's a good point. Um, it would be less exciting to have the rookie, uh, you know, uh, probably a more balanced offense.
60:59Um, man, what a, what a ring endorsement of the NFL draft industry to have Marvin Harrison fighting for the wide receiver
61:0640 spot or whatever, you know, ish, who knows where he's really going to go, but like woof two years ago, he was the 15 overall pick.
61:14That is not a very good evaluation by my brethren in college football, but I guess sometimes, sometimes you just miss it.
61:21Is Harrison the kind of kid that if he ever kind of just shook loose, he doesn't get the second contract from
61:28Arizona that he has the amazing second act and people look back and go, and yeah, that was just the stench of the Cardinals all over him.
61:36Possibly. Yeah. I mean, he was really productive in college.
61:39He earned a ton of volume like per route.
61:42And I, you kind of wonder if some of that was just sort of name and pedigree and stuff, but they had
61:49a lot of other good receivers there when he was there.
61:53And he was, he was definitely productive the first couple of years he's been bad, but like some of the, the per
62:00route stuff hasn't been like disqualifyingly bad. He doesn't look like a total complete Boston, like, you know, some of the stats.
62:06I think when you watch him, you're like, yeah, they're kind of forcing him some production so that it doesn't look bad.
62:13You know, like I'm, I'm with you. I think he's looked a lot worse on film than even the numbers say.
62:20So I have a hard time. I have a hard time seeing it, but I'm, you know, I, it's that uncertainty thing
62:27in the, you know, sort of trying to be a little bit, um, open to the idea that we can be wrong
62:34as you were talking about on the whole team level with the Cardinals, maybe as Harrison ages, we'll get more of what
62:41the draft evaluator saw and why he went so high.
62:44We'll get more of that shining through. I don't think that's impossible.
62:47Yeah. It's a really tricky one. This wide receiver core is a really tricky one.
62:52Agreed. Like you don't have to draft Marvin Harrison in a fantasy draft in 2026, as though you're positive about anything.
62:59You can draft him because he's not going to cost that much.
63:02You can take a shot. This is the year, you know, year one and year two, he was too expensive for what
63:09he wound up doing, but this year he's going to be just in the lump of every other receiver.
63:15And you can, you can get a little aggressive on him because you think there's some untapped upside.
63:21You're not going to ruin your fantasy team as a result.
63:24Uh, all right. Well, great talk, Ben. Thank you for helping me sort through these teams.
63:29Um, I hope you had fun we're going to tune into the stealing signals newsletter over on sub stack, uh, a great idea to subscribe.
63:37And in addition, uh, your, your podcasting, uh, you got stealing bananas.
63:41That's one of them. What's, what's the other podcast.
63:44It's called the long view. Cause I like to go long with Jacob Sanders and we just started it.
63:50Um, this month. Yeah. Congratulations on that. So much podcasting will ensue as well.
63:54And I'll have you back on in August. We'll find more top fun topics to talk about.
63:59I appreciate you helping me out with this one though.
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