0:00It's the Harris Fantasy Football Podcast with your host, Christopher Harris.
0:03Welcome everybody, welcome in. My name is Chris. This is a show about secret civilizations.
0:08Please follow along. Hello in there, everybody. How in the world are you?
0:12Thank you so much for listening today. It's been so fun to be back, to know that a lot of you are listening.
0:18Got several emails from folks. Suddenly my email inbox picks up, which is great.
0:23What a blast. It's early, no question about it.
0:25We try and pace ourselves here in July because there really is no NFL news in July.
0:30But it's a good way to ease ourselves into getting ready for those drafts.
0:34We're doing two shows per week here on the main show in July.
0:38Those drop Tuesdays and Fridays. The Yacht Club also gets one episode per week in July.
0:43Me and Andy Behrens dropping episodes on Monday. I thank you for making all this possible.
0:48And thanks to so many of you for the reminder from this past Tuesday's episode in which I shamefully could not extemporaneously
0:54come up with the correct player whose nickname was Turkey Mayo.
0:58What the heck was my problem? Stands up right on the football run!
1:01Tevin Coleman is a Turkey Mayo! He sure was!
1:04Obviously the answer was Tevin Coleman! I could practically feel the psychic blast coming from a thousand people shouting at their phones or their laptops.
1:12Harris, you knucklehead! Tevin Coleman is a Turkey Mayo!
1:14But then again, if I hadn't messed that up, we wouldn't have gotten to play that old favorite sound drop from like 2019.
1:21So who's the idiot now? Yes, okay granted I am the idiot now.
1:25Alright, so the Almanac is truly getting closer. We are rounding the home stretch.
1:29I am rounding the home stretch. I am very ready for you to be reading this thing.
1:34Still got a few weeks to go, but I've been working on it every day since the beginning of May.
1:40It is a monster. The profiles are written. A couple of exceptions.
1:44I'm waiting to write... Who is it? Stefan Diggs I haven't written.
1:47Come on, sign with somebody and then I don't have to write a generic profile.
1:52I haven't written Alan Kamara yet. I just think eventually the Saints are going to get rid of him.
1:57But those are going to be the last two probably that I write.
2:01Anyway, very close with the artwork. The layout is mostly done.
2:04I have to finish off the last of the ranks, the appendices.
2:08A few weeks, the Almanac will be delivered to your hot little hands as a PDF.
2:13I keep forgetting the count. How many profiles have I written?
2:16I think it's... When I write those two, it'll be 233 profiles.
2:20Film grades for everybody except the rookies. Lots of film watching.
2:23Lots of snark. Not only do you get the Almanac delivered August 3rd, you also get an update at the end of
2:29August where I redline everything that changes over training camp.
2:32Your fantasy print magazine could never... It's $22. I think on the website I say it's 240 pages.
2:38That is a lie. That is like 300 pages by now.
2:41The profiles get more in-depth every year. And you can pre-order it right now at harrisfootball.com.
2:46Let's read you a profile. We're doing the AFC South teams on the show today.
2:50So how about Wandale Robinson's profile? He's moved to the Titans.
2:53Still only 25 years old. For film grades. Speed, he gets a B.
2:57Elusiveness, a B+. End zone, a C. Those are all carryover grades.
3:01Didn't see major changes in those. But hands, I upgraded to a B.
3:05It's marked on there so you can see all the film grade changes from the previous year.
3:10Robinson got an upgrade to a B. Had not a great hands year two years ago, but last year much better.
3:16Situation grade, he gets a B-. His profile goes like this.
3:19We're about to list a bunch of undersized slot guys.
3:22They're all good players, but probably better for real life NFL action than for fantasy.
3:27Their limbs and A-dots are teeny. Of that group, you can give me Wandale first.
3:31Mainly because when circumstances conspired to give him a shot at a high volume job last year, he took advantage.
3:37He was a short king in more ways than one.
3:40Robinson is a hard-working wiggly worm. If you spend a while watching his routes, which I just did to write this profile,
3:47you'll realize what a hard time defenders have figuring out which way he's about to break.
3:51Plus, he's a sturdy little, he's sturdy for a little guy.
3:55Week six against the Eagles in a typical Jackson Dart runaround.
3:58Robinson waved his hands on the sidelines and got a short throw, but was dead to rights.
4:03Rookie safety Andrew Mabuka wrapped Wandale up and the play should have been over, but Robinson stood his ground, let Mabuka swing
4:09all the way around him and lose his grip, and he was off to the races for a touchdown.
4:15He's fearless, getting thumped by the Chiefs week three at the end of the game.
4:19Robinson ran a post from the slot into three defenders and Russell Wilson threw him a hospital ball, but Wandale snagged it and got drilled.
4:27He's gutty. Week seven against the Broncos on a third and twelve.
4:30Robinson caught a one yard screen and wove through half the defense and stuck his nose in to eek over the first down line.
4:38He's everything you want in a football player, except big enough.
4:41We talk about how little Amon Ross St. Brown is.
4:44He's four inches taller and 17 pounds heavier. Wandale is little.
4:47When people used to tell you Cole Beasley was really about to become a fantasy factor, that's what this is like.
4:53In fact, Robinson's 1,014 receiving yards from 2025 is the highest total of any receiver his height and weight this millennium.
5:00Beasley once did 967. And of course, that required a Malik Nabors injury and also required the Giants to otherwise be absolute ass.
5:06But yeah, the Titans of 26 might be absolute ass too.
5:10New Tennessee offensive coordinator Brian Dable surely put in a special request to spend the $38 million guaranteed to get Robinson in
5:16free agency since he used to coach Wandale in New York.
5:19And for a few weeks there, folks were doing some serious dot connecting and deciding that Robinson was on his way to
5:26becoming a volume wide receiver too for fantasy. But of course, then the Titans drafted Carnell Tate number four overall, and that quieted down.
5:33Tennessee also still has Elick Iomaner and Chimre Dike, and for now Calvin Ridley.
5:37But the one guy in that room I'm absolutely certain is a baller is Wandale.
5:42It'll probably only add up to 700 yards and five touchdowns, but I don't mind using a bench spot just in case I'm wrong.
5:49So that's the end of the profile. But then what a treat as the number 48 standard league rating wide receiver.
5:55We also get a cousin Josh says in the Almanac about Wandale because cousin Josh weighs in on like somewhere between 20 and 30 players throughout the Almanac.
6:03And about Robinson, he says, as a mature adult, I don't usually mess around with PPR guys.
6:08So I'm not here to scream from the rooftops that everybody needs to draft Wandale Robinson.
6:13But riddle me this, is he really that different from, say, Parker Washington?
6:17I'll go even further. Is he really even that different from Ladd McConkie?
6:21I mean, the answer is probably yes, but you have to admit you're not positive.
6:25As a position, wide receiver is super flat and you can find pretty good solutions pretty far down the draft board.
6:32That is what cousin Josh says. You can, in fact, as I've mentioned, preorder right now at HarrisFootball.com.
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6:50It's about football and it's a serial killer mystery.
6:53It'll be coming out 9-1, September 1st. Pretty soon, I'll have a way for you to preorder that as well.
6:59But this past Tuesday, I mentioned on the show, hey, if you have any place in sports media you think would be
7:05fun to have them interview me, let me know.
7:08I just, I think I just over pitched it.
7:11I made it sound more complicated or like I needed you to have some expertise more than I do.
7:16The reason I'm saying this is because only like a half dozen people.
7:20I love you. Thank you so much for writing me.
7:23But like a half dozen people wrote me. Anything else?
7:26I say, hey, email me. I get like a lot of emails.
7:30So I just want to say you don't have to be like a book expert or I'm not asking like, hey, how do I market my book?
7:38I'm not asking you that. If you have a favorite sports podcast or really anything that's sports related or football related, you
7:44think it would be cool for them to interview me in August?
7:48You know, interview me about football. Let me know because I'm just like looking to spread out further.
7:53And then, you know, I'm going to sneak in a little uppercut about the book, but it won't mostly be just about sports.
8:00So if you, if you, if you just have something you listen to or watch or whatever that you love that you
8:07say, Oh, it'd be funny if Chris was on that.
8:10Hey, Harris at Harris football.com. Um, so, uh, you know, I need your suggestions because I don't know what the hell I'm doing.
8:16I do appreciate it. Today's kick. Okay. On today's show, our division by division previews of NFL training camps does.
8:22In fact, continue with the AFC South. We'll talk about what specific stuff we should be looking for and the specific stuff
8:29we should not be looking for in August for the Jaguars, Texans, Colts, and Titans to help me sort through it and
8:35to probably get yelled at just a little bit only because he's great.
8:39And I love having him on. It'll be Dave Kluge from football guys.com.
8:43Um, I think it'll be really fun. I thank you again so much for listening today.
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10:01What a pleasure to have you, my friend. Happy July.
10:04Happy July. Yeah, this is the time of year where absolutely nothing is happening.
10:09So people take any little bit of information and just run wild with it.
10:13I am just kind of waiting for training camps to open.
10:16You know, we actually get real news that we should react to.
10:20There you go. Now, and many of those news, we shouldn't react to those either.
10:24And that's going to be, as you know, the theme of today's show in which once again, you have received the dreaded
10:31email of Doom, which has cautioned you with bold and underlined to never do the thing that you're not supposed to do,
10:37which is I don't, you know, we're previewing training camps for these four teams of the AFC South.
10:42So the idea is like, what are we willing to take the bait on if we get stories that push us in one direction or another?
10:50And what should the listeners very much just tune out?
10:53And to be honest, what I do based on these eight shows that we do in July, I assemble a list of all the players.
11:01The guests say, no, no, no, this is someone I actually am interested to hear all those beat reports about.
11:06And then that's it. Then that's kind of the list.
11:09And beyond that, I try like unless it's an injury, I just try not to pay attention at all because there's just
11:16so many rat holes you could wind up going down because some beat reporter felt like, you know, he was Hemingway that day.
11:23Exactly. And I'm glad that I'm doing, I would have loved to do the NFC North, but I'm sure that there are other people doing the NFC North.
11:31I think outside of the NFC North, the AFC South is one of the most fun divisions to talk about.
11:37There's so much change in this division. You've got a lot of rising teams.
11:41You've got young players. You've got ambiguous backfields and ambiguous wide receiver rooms.
11:45So I'm thrilled that we get to talk AFC South because I think this is just such a fun division to discuss.
11:52All right. Well, along those lines, let's dig right in.
11:55We'll start with the division champion. Didn't feel like they were division champions at the end of the year, but they were.
12:01The Jaguars of Jacksonville. We'll talk about their backfield because it has probably the biggest departure in this division.
12:07Travis Etienne leaves the Jags, goes to New Orleans.
12:09And like, it's going to be very difficult for me to stand up here on my high horse and say, no, you
12:16may not pay any attention at all to what people are saying about practices and formations and who's playing where in the
12:22Jags backfield because it's all new with the main guy gone.
12:26So clearly this is one we're going to be tracking.
12:29But like, I guess when it's a situation like this and you don't really know, neither of us really knows what the news is going to be.
12:37It could be very generic. The Liam Cohen just doesn't tip his hand at all.
12:41And we just not wind up not getting anything to move on.
12:45But there could be some real things or some speculation or whatever.
12:48How do do you even begin to kind of like philosophically take in what you're going to hear about Jacksonville's backfield over that month?
12:55Well, I think Sigmund Blum talks about all the time, you know, the drum beats out of camp.
13:01And if you are getting a steady drum beat where there is a unified front of beat reporters and coaches and front
13:07office individuals all saying like, Tootin is the guy, I'd be foolish to ignore it.
13:12But I don't think that we're going to get that because these guys all have such different skill sets.
13:17When you look at what Tootin does and what Chris Rodriguez does and what LaQuinn Allen does.
13:22And if you look at Liam Cohen's history, he is a-okay.
13:26Just kind of leaning on this hot hand approach.
13:28Last year, I think it was a little bit different.
13:31Yeah. So let me- I don't want to get into it.
13:35I want to talk about what to pay attention to.
13:38Okay? So Sig says the drum beat. I don't know what that means.
13:41That's to 50,000 feet. How do I know when I've heard a drum beat?
13:46If I'm listening to this show right now, how will I know when it's kind of shifted over from a bunch of
13:52idle chatter into an actual drum beat? And I think that's what I said, the unified front where you have multiple beat reporters.
13:59You've got coach speak. And then if James Gladstone is coming out as well, like if you've got people in the front
14:05office, the coaching staff, and the beat all saying one thing, that's when I pay attention to it.
14:11But we don't usually get that. We usually have a lot of beat reporters giving their opinions.
14:16I don't know. Again, I don't want your answer.
14:19That's what I'm saying. I don't want your answer.
14:21I'm just going to say that I pay attention to a lot of NFL media.
14:26So do you. It's our job. I don't really know when I'm hearing a drum beat.
14:30I don't really know when I'm hearing something that I can believe.
14:34All right, this is definitely, somebody is definitely telling me Tootin is 100.
14:38Like, yes, of course. Puka Nakua's rookie season. I think that's a perfect example of a drum beat where you heard everybody.
14:44Sean McVay, Jordan Rodriguez, every single beat reporter there was saying this guy Puka Nakua is unbelievable.
14:49And it wasn't a one-off. It wasn't a social media highlight.
14:53It was just repetitive every single day from every single beat reporter.
14:56And if we can get something like that, where, like, Puka Nakua, by the time that season kicked off, everybody knew who
15:03Puka Nakua was going into week one. That's something that could get me on a Bashaw Tootin.
15:08But without something like that, I'm just going to bet on Chris Rodriguez because I think he's the best of the bunch.
15:14You know, I don't know. That's interesting, and I might agree with you to some degree.
15:19Andy and I did a Tootin film review on the Yacht Club during this winter, and we went in with an open
15:26mind, and we did come out like, why does that guy keep running into people?
15:30It was a little bit of like, you could see a lot of raw materials, but does he have, like, uniform blindness?
15:37Can he not understand which players are not the field?
15:40Oh, that guy's not shaped like the field. And he runs right into him.
15:44So it's a good point. And I think probably what you're saying is Rodriguez at his price versus Tootin at his price.
15:50Yeah, which I expect Rodriguez is going to be significantly cheaper.
15:54But I think, yeah, and my review on Tootin was very similar.
15:57And I think that there's a major blind spot among fantasy drafters, the speed scores.
16:02And Tootin can run fast. He can run really fast.
16:04But Chris Rodriguez does all the things that don't show up on speed scores.
16:09He breaks tackles, accelerates into contact, keeps offenses on schedule, you know, all of that sort of stuff that matters.
16:15So in these ambiguous situations where we aren't getting a clear answer from the beat, I'm going to bet on the talent,
16:21and I think that Chris Rodriguez is the most talented back here.
16:25I don't even know if I'll go that far because I like Rodriguez fine, but he is very limited.
16:30I mean, it's like if Tyler Algier had no long speed, you know?
16:34But the point being, they're not going to cost the same.
16:37I can't imagine a scenario where we get so much noise in Jag's training camp that it gets to the point that
16:44people start going, you know what, let's elevate Rodriguez almost to where Tootin's getting drafted.
16:48Like, that's just simply not going to happen. Because like you said, people still remember his combine.
16:53People still remember the relative athletic score, whatever. And so I'll just say it's hard for me to quantify how much or less talented Tootin is than Rodriguez.
17:02They probably do different things well, but given the price difference, the talent gap is just not reflective of them.
17:08Even if you want to conclude to your point that Tootin might be a little better in some ways than Rodriguez, it's
17:14just the price gap is not going to account for the difference.
17:18Right. And that, you know, you're asking like what can change my opinion?
17:22It would need to be just like a unbelievable, and I can't think of a better word than a drumbeat, but it
17:28would just have to be like everybody in Jacksonville screaming that Bashaw Tootin is the guy and him like not coming off
17:35the field with the ones and all that sort of stuff.
17:38But I don't anticipate that to happen because that sort of stuff in these ambiguous situations only happens maybe once to one team every handful of years.
17:46Yeah. How about do you ever believe goal line nonsense?
17:49I'll just preface by saying I kind of don't.
17:52No, I really don't either. Yeah. No. Yeah. And I think like if you had to bet, yeah, it's probably Chris Rodriguez,
17:58the guy who breaks tackles and does all that sort of stuff.
18:02So I think that we're going to see everybody kind of speculating.
18:05LaQuint Allen is going to get the pass down work, and Chris Rodriguez is going to get the goal line work.
18:12But I'm just going to bet on the talent.
18:14Again, I've said that three times now, but that's really what it comes down to.
18:19I think Chris Rodriguez is a darn good player, and if you look at some of the advanced analytics as well, it shows up on film.
18:26It shows up in the advanced analytics. This guy was top five in broken tackle rate, in success rate, and in –
18:33there was one other one that I'm forgetting. But, I mean, this guy like had a great analytical profile last year, and
18:39he looked good on film, and he's got that connection from college with Liam Cohen.
18:44So I'm buying into Chris Rodriguez being a lot more involved than people expect, unless the beat tells me I'm wrong, and
18:50Tootin does run away with the job. Right. Yeah, I'll just – I obviously don't believe in those analytics and say that
18:57broken tackles are often because you're slow as molasses and strong.
19:00So, but, you know, the film is good. Film is good.
19:04And when everybody wanted JCM to be the main guy for the commanders, a coaching staff that was swimming and trying to
19:10rescue its own life definitely changed over to Rodriguez in the second half of last year.
19:15Which I don't understand how, because JCM, his speed score was so good coming out of the combine.
19:20So let's talk about those receivers in Jacksonville, and, you know, if we don't think we're going to get a lot of
19:27clarity out of the Jags when it comes to the backfield.
19:30Oh, boy. Like, this is probably a three-receiver set type offense, and, you know, like there were multiple iterations of that receiving
19:36crew over the course of last year. One pre-Brian Thomas injury, but probably even before that, like those first couple of games
19:43where they were trying to make Brian Thomas into, you know, an all-field weapon.
19:47And Nico Collins, like, he could play anywhere. And at some point they were like, oh, my God, no, he can't.
19:53He's terrified to go over the middle. He doesn't, you know, we need to ride him on the rail, on the sideline.
20:00But maybe all that was then exacerbated by injury.
20:03And all that is basically to say, Brian Thomas is probably the key guy to monitor news on if you're going to monitor anybody.
20:10But I'm hard-pressed to come up with, like, a lot of concrete things that I would 100% believe.
20:15You know what I'm going to be keeping an eye on when it comes to these wide receivers?
20:20And bear with me for a second here. I want to see how much Travis Hunter is practicing with the offense because
20:27I think that really changes the complexity of all this.
20:30I think if Travis Hunter, you know, we're getting some reports.
20:33We haven't gotten a lot from the beat, but we've gotten a lot of national reporters speculating that he's going to be primarily on defense this year.
20:41And if you look, you know, they didn't draft a cornerback, and that was a position of need for them.
20:47So I think that we probably do see that happen.
20:50But if in training camp we see him splitting time and we see him more with the offense than we expect right
20:57now, then I think that really mucks things up for this wide receiver room because we can work with a three-person wide receiver room.
21:04Like, we kind of know who's going to be on two wide receiver sets.
21:08We know who the slot receiver is going to be.
21:11But if Travis Hunter is that X factor who's playing 50%, 60% of the snaps, then it really throws things for a loop.
21:18So I think that's what I'm going to be paying most attention to.
21:22And if Travis Hunter is involved more than we expect with the offense, then I think everybody can just come up short of their ADP.
21:29So, you know, I think that's probably what I'm going to be paying closest attention to.
21:34Like, watching all of the Jaguars' practices, reading beat reports, how often is Travis Hunter out there with the wide receivers?
21:40All right. So assuming not much, which you're right, that's the assumption now, but definitely could change.
21:45In my master list of players to be checking in on, I just wrote down Travis Hunter because that was your first instinct.
21:52If we do get the more expected thing, which is, you know, all the indication seems to be at this point that he's going to be more corner.
22:00At that point, even though, again, like, I kind of have a good feeling that Parker Washington, kind of a little baller,
22:07and we all know Jacoby Myers, kind of a baller.
22:10Brian Thomas couldn't possibly have come across less of a baller if he had, I don't know what, if he had, you
22:16know, if he had forgotten his uniform. I don't know what.
22:19He did not play like a baller last year, but you can't really prove that you are in August.
22:25Right. And, you know, we're already getting that Brian Thomas, he's healthy.
22:29He's in the best shape of his life. He's ready for a bigger role.
22:33And, of course, like, they're incentivized to say that.
22:35He's a first-round pick who flashed as a rookie, and they want to get him back on track.
22:41They want to, you know, help build up his ego, whatever, to help him play a little bit better.
22:46But when I look at this, and maybe I'm naive in thinking this, but to me it seems like these receivers kind of have their role.
22:54Like Myers and Brian Thomas Jr. were both out wide on over 70% of their snaps last year.
23:00Parker Washington was kind of glued to the slot, and we know that that slot receiver in a Liam Cohen offense can be very productive.
23:07So I don't know, like, unless they say that, like, Brian Thomas Jr.
23:11is transferring to a slot receiver, but, like, I don't think that's going to happen.
23:15You see three very different skill sets here. I think, for me, it really just comes down to Travis Hunter, because if
23:22Travis Hunter is playing primarily on defense, I think that I have a pretty good expectation of what to expect from these three receivers.
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24:35And we're going to talk about some more play, more teams.
24:38You know how I love the Brian Thomas Jr.
24:40Let's talk Texans. You know, I think, I'll put it this way.
24:44When it comes to the Texans receiver room, which is very interesting, especially because I came out of the film review pretty positive on Jaden Higgins.
24:52He didn't get to do a ton, but maybe a little more as the season went along.
24:57I would love to be more excited about him.
24:59But boy, CJ Stroud and the offensive line were rough.
25:02And so it goes, you know, how many receivers beyond Nico Collins are they really going to support?
25:08I'm trying to imagine Texans storylines that could get clever wags, you know, saying, I need to react.
25:13I need to react. And all I could really come up with was, what if Tank Dell, you know, I've been told
25:20that Tank Dell is very much the alpha in that room.
25:23They all consider him the leader of that room.
25:26And therefore, the beat reporters will all be very favorably inclined toward him.
25:29So any sign of progress could get sort of, you know, exaggerated or whatever.
25:34I don't think that winds up with Tank Dell being that much momentum to get drafted, but it could suppress everybody else.
25:40Would that move the needle for you at all?
25:43I mean, frankly, if the answer is no news about Texans receivers is really going to do anything to my ranks, then that's fine too.
25:50Well, I don't think it's so much news as it's going to be what my eyes tell me when I see Tank
25:57Dell out there in practice and in the preseason.
25:59Because right now, like, I'm not factoring Tank Dell in.
26:02Like, that was a brutal knee injury. And he still wasn't 100% at OTAs.
26:07Like, he was still kind of watching from the sidelines and doing some workouts here.
26:11So I think the only thing that would really change my expectation right now on this wide receiver room where I expect
26:18it to be, Nico Collins being the guy. And Jaden Higgins, I'm with you.
26:22I think that he looked good in the limited opportunities last year.
26:25If Tank Dell shows up and we see him in preseason and we say, wow, that looks just like Tank Dell before
26:32he got hurt, then I'm going to have to change my expectations a little bit.
26:36But as it stands right now, I think that it's going to be Nico Collins and Jaden Higgins.
26:42And I'm trying not to factor Tank Dell in until he gives me reason to.
26:46Sure. I mean, that's what everybody's doing. I understand.
26:49And I'm saying, is it possible that positive news on Dell, I don't think anybody really suspects that that would get him
26:55drafted in fantasy leagues, that Dell himself. But could it change people's opinions on Higgins to our benefit?
27:01You know, I don't think it would change values of the other receivers too much because I think people are always going to have their doubts on Dell.
27:09So he might kind of creep up into like one of those like late round flyers.
27:14I'm not talking about Dell. I'm not talking about Dell.
27:17I'm talking about could he make Higgins go lower?
27:19And I don't think so. I really don't. I think that Higgins is going to kind of stay where he's at in
27:26drafts because this is also a team too. Like they play out of 11 personnel a lot.
27:31Like we saw last year, a lot of three wide receiver sets.
27:34So I think even if Tank Dell does come back and he's healthy, you know, that's good for him.
27:40But I don't think that it comes at the expense of the other wide receivers just because there's so many wide receiver sets.
27:47We got lots to talk about. If the answer is no, the answer is no.
27:51And that's good. I, you know, I think your instinct is to want to tell people what's going to happen four months from now.
27:58We, and my point is that we don't know what's going to happen four months from now.
28:03So if the listener hears from us that the Texans receivers are really not worth paying attention to, don't get hoodwinked by anything.
28:10Just draft as you would normally draft them. I think that's useful advice and we don't need to go any further.
28:17I wonder if you feel the same way about the backfield.
28:20Um, like, is it possible that Woody Marks turns into enough of an impediment on David Montgomery that everybody gets annoyed?
28:26Absolutely. Definitely possible. Are the Texans going to tell us that?
28:29What do you think? No, I don't think they will.
28:32And I think that there might be some beat reporters out there that are trying to push Woody Marks up draft boards for whatever reason.
28:40Maybe they like, no, I am just 100% in on David Montgomery being the three down back here, just like they wanted Nick Chubb to be last year.
28:48And just like they wanted Joe Mixon to be before his wheels fell off.
28:52So I don't think Woody Marks is that good of a running back.
28:56There's nobody in the Texans beat that can convince me otherwise.
28:59I mean, that's a take. Um, I don't know if I agree with the take, but I agree.
29:05I agree that the main thing that we want people to take out of this conversation, that the backfield will, the key
29:11to the backfield will probably not be unlocked by people watching an exhibition game or, you know, watching two days when they're not hitting each other or whatever.
29:19I agree. There's not that much to pay attention to.
29:22Maybe I think Marks is a little better than you.
29:25And maybe I think Marks could play on some third downs.
29:29And I'm sure that's reflected in our respective ranks.
29:31Um, but neither one of us can prove that we're right or we're wrong until we get to week one.
29:37Um, the larger point being agreed. I just, how, how, what incentive does anybody in Houston have to tell us the truth about how they're going to deploy?
29:46But I think there is incentive, I think for fantasy drafters to hold on to any hope.
29:51I mean, we already saw this. Aaron Wilson just wrote an article and there was one sentence at the end of that
29:57article saying Woody Marks could be involved as a pass catcher.
30:00And I saw that making the rounds on Twitter and blue sky and everywhere.
30:05So I think any bit of positive news about Woody Marks, people are going to hold on to, and it's going to push him up draft boards.
30:13But I am just of the belief that David Montgomery is just far and away the better running back here.
30:19Okay. Again, I don't agree necessarily. I agree. Montgomery's probably better, but not at some things.
30:23Woody Marks is clearly better at some things between the tackles.
30:27David Montgomery, definitely better. Um, I'm not saying I'm right and you're wrong or anything like that, but I think your, your
30:33point is still good, which is if the listener is.
30:36Is prepared to look at whatever Montgomery's ADP winds up being in mid August and feel like, Ooh, that's a good bargain.
30:43Then don't get fooled by what you're talking about when somebody just likes make some offhanded comment about Woody Marks and he suddenly gets some helium.
30:50Like, don't, don't lose your, don't, don't, you know, hold your water on David Montgomery and don't like, don't give up on
30:57the cause because that gets, that starts making the rounds.
31:00Okay. Okay. Uh, Colts. Uh, I, you know, I guess Daniel Jones, we're going to be paying attention to for sure.
31:06I mean, his, his health basically feels like it would be the main, well, I can ask it as a question.
31:12Does Daniel Jones being available to play at something like the level of last year, hold the key to any skill weapon
31:19in Indianapolis you might be interested in? Or can you see your way through to feeling the same way about them if
31:25it's a Riley Leonard, Anthony Richardson type situation? Oh, I think this entire offense is kind of dependent on Daniel Jones being healthy.
31:32We saw it was just like one of the best offenses in the league last year.
31:37And then one of the worst offenses in the league without him.
31:40So yeah, I mean, I think looking at everybody, like even as much as I hate to say it, Jonathan Taylor is
31:47awesome, but Jonathan Taylor was an RB three without Daniel Jones last year.
31:51And he was the top scoring running back with him.
31:54So I would be paying very, very close attention to this.
31:57Early reports was that he should be ready for the start of training camp.
32:01And that's what I'm going to be watching. But like if training camp opens up and they say, Hey, you know, he's not quite there yet.
32:09We're hoping he can get there soon. I am going to be hitting the panic button on this entire Colts offense.
32:15I don't know. I guess it depends on maybe it's the panic slider for me.
32:20You know, it's not, it's not a, it's not a binary button, but it's like you start scooching it northward.
32:26I agree. I, I, yeah, I mean, I've seen enough Anthony Richardson in my life.
32:30I don't need to watch that anymore. And I think rather than it is probably a backup, but maybe that's wrong, but
32:37we're not going to know that either way until September.
32:40So let's talk. This is a, this is a much mushier conversation, but like, all right, here I am doing my draft prep for my league.
32:47And I would love to love Alec Pierce, although he himself coming off an injury.
32:52And I would love to think Josh Downs might be a sneaky, whatever, you know, high catch guy.
32:57And I'd love to say Jonathan Taylor's a early first round pick, but I'm scared.
33:02Like, how can I, how can you and I give tangible advice to what that's, what's got, what that's going to be like?
33:08Like as of, if they haven't said, if he isn't practicing as of August 10th, you're okay.
33:13But on August 21st at noon, it's bad. Like, obviously it's not that scientific, but is it like, it's one of those things.
33:20It's like pornography. You know, when you see it, it's, it's, it's hard to give specific advice, but, but it is going to be something that we're watching.
33:29Like here I am, I'm reading Colts beat reports every day.
33:32What's the point at which it gets dire? And I think it really comes down to what you're drafting.
33:37Like if you're drafting a fantasy football team early in training camp and Daniel Jones isn't out there and you just want
33:44to say, I'm going to pass up on all the Colts.
33:47I think that's okay. Like if you want to say, I need to see with my eyes, I need to see Daniel
33:54Jones out there, healthy in pads running. I think that's totally okay to wait until that moment.
33:59And if that is the first day of training camp, awesome.
34:02Move all the Colts up the board, draft the Colts with confidence.
34:06And if you're waiting until labor day, hopefully like we have good answers by then.
34:10But if you're drafting in the middle of training camp and they're saying, oh, Daniel Jones, he'll be back next week.
34:16I think that you're okay. Just kind of waiting until you see it.
34:20That's probably right. That's probably right. Like there is a very binary factor there of, okay, if you can't even get him
34:27on the practice field at all, I have to scooch everybody down until you can get him back on the practice field.
34:33I hadn't really thought of it in those terms until you said that, but that's right.
34:38I think that's right. So like, I'm probably not going to have two draft lists available at harrisfootball.com.
34:43One in which Daniel Jones has been on the practice field and one where it's not.
34:48Like so far, my ranks are assuming that eventually he'll be on the practice field.
34:53But you're right. If you're drafting before that point and you don't know for sure that that point is coming forward.
34:59Now that you say it that way, I absolutely agree.
35:02You have to ditch them all significantly lower. How about like a medium ground when, okay, we get the point where he is out there.
35:09I think it goes without saying he's probably not going to play any exhibition games.
35:14He's, he's, he's, he's doing, you know, drills and stuff, but they just don't hit.
35:18He's not going to have to face a pass rush.
35:21Is there a, is there a kind of a litmus test, assuming no exhibition games that like August 20th probably is about
35:28when they break camp and they're all kind of, they're all yapping all that they're saying, Hey, is Daniel playing week one?
35:34Well, we'll see. We'll see. We'll see. Is there a point where you go, okay, I can flip over to Harris's other
35:41ranks where the Colts are all in their normal spots.
35:44Yeah, absolutely. Because I would look at that as a setback because right now at OTAs, he was going through seven on
35:50sevens and right now everybody in Indianapolis is saying that he's going to be ready for the start of training camp.
35:56So anytime there's a complication or a setback in an injury, that is a major red flag for me.
36:02So that's why like I need to see it.
36:05I mean, I asked that in a very convoluted way.
36:08I was kind of talking about the inverse where he does get back and he's doing seven on seven stuff.
36:14Cause you're right. He already was doing seven on seven stuff, but he's not going to play in the exhibition games.
36:20He's not like, even if he's fried, he's probably not because the exhibition games are absolutely useless and it's just an opportunity to get hurt.
36:27I don't think they're going to subject him to hits.
36:30If, if he plays an exhibition game, all, you know, that's great.
36:34That's your, I assume you're not telling me that until he plays an exhibition game, you can't draft Jonathan Taylor ever.
36:40Right. But if there's any sort of, like you said, if they say like, we're hopeful that he's going to have, like
36:47if they're saying, Hey, he's not playing in the preseason, but he will be ready week one.
36:52That's a lot different than we hope he'll be ready for week one.
36:55All right. Yeah. I guess that's right. And I guess what the heck else can they say?
37:01At some point you do have to start believing them.
37:03Could you then still get the, you know, September 3rd blurb?
37:07Turns out the Colts were lying and Daniel Jones will play in October.
37:11Yeah, but you're right. I think I'm with you that if earlier in the month lip service to like, no problem, he'll be ready week one.
37:18I probably don't care what they say, but training camp breaks and now they're just practicing at the team facility and they're like still insistent.
37:26Jonathan Taylor is whatever, whatever you had him before the RB four or five, three, whatever it was, he probably has to be right.
37:33Right. Absolutely. And even that, like, you know, we're expecting Daniel Jones to come point, come back at some point.
37:39So like, even if, yeah, we talked about the splits where he was like a borderline RB three last year without Daniel Jones.
37:46I'm never moving him that far down. My ranking is like at worst, if we get some bad news about a setback
37:52for Daniel Jones, I'm probably moving Jonathan Taylor into the middle of the second round.
37:57Like I'm not letting him fall any lower than that.
38:00All right. I mean, that's good to hear. I haven't thought about it.
38:03I don't, that, those alternate Colts ranks that I'm supposed to do based on this conversation.
38:08I haven't thought about what I would do with him.
38:11Yeah. That's, you know, cool. Now you're Devon H and, you know what I mean?
38:16Like now you're on, now you're on an awful team, but you get all the carries and you know, that, that, that is its own challenge.
38:23No question. And it's not great, but yeah, I can't see.
38:27I can't see. You're, you're not RB 30, you know, you're, you're, you're RB 13 or whatever, you know, 11, 12.
38:33Yeah. Maybe something like that. Well, I mean, just to square the circle, then the receivers fates are much more tied to the quarterback.
38:40What happens to wherever you have, you know, I get, it's a dumb way to say it, but like how many rounds does Alec Pierce drop?
38:48If we get this bad news about Daniel Jones, how many rounds does Josh Downs drop?
38:52I don't want you to have to qualify exactly how many, but like, you know, are they taken out of the realm of the fantasy starter?
39:00I would say that if we get a Daniel Jones setback and they say, Hey, he's not going to be ready for week one.
39:07We hope he can return at some point this season.
39:10My, you know, internal alarms are going off. I am just a okay saying that I will let one of my 11 league mates touch Alec Pierce.
39:18Like I'm just not going to draft him at all.
39:21I'm not going to draft Josh Downs at all.
39:24You know, if they say that it's a week or two and he's coming back, like it, it really comes down to
39:30the vibes and it's really hard to quantify the vibes.
39:33But like, if we see a setback, then that does make me panic.
39:37But if he just keeps trending in the right direction and it looks like he's ready for week one, I'll keep drafting these guys.
39:44But if there's any sort of concern that like, and I think the only way that he'd miss the full season would
39:51be if he like re-ruptures his Achilles, which I mean, then we're having a completely different conversation.
39:56But if we're looking at like multiple setbacks or, you know, the complications, he can't get up to a hundred percent.
40:02He's not running the way that we had hoped to.
40:05Then I'm probably just out on this passing attack.
40:08I don't want Alec Pierce. I don't want Tyler Warren.
40:11And I probably don't want Josh Downs either, even if he's the cheapest of the bunch.
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41:17We are back with Dave, and we have one more team in the AFC South to talk about.
41:22And actually, right before the break, you said it best, which is what, in my saying a million words to try to
41:29describe what I'm talking about, a lot of times it kind of is vibes.
41:33That kind of, it's really hard to sit here in early, second week of July, and be like, you know, tell me exactly what you need to hear.
41:41Like, a lot of it does come down. In all these training camps, a lot of it, and vibes are very subjective
41:48things, and the vibes that you receive from certain news might be different from the vibes that I receive.
41:53But it is, you were right, David. It does kind of come down to vibes.
41:58Yeah, and that's tough because you can't quantify it whatsoever.
42:01But it's, I think what you said, like, you know what, when you see it, it's kind of the same thing with vibes.
42:07Like, you start getting this icky feeling where, you know, a guy doesn't look like he's 100%, and all the beat is,
42:14eh, we're hoping for the best, and the coaches are saying, hopefully he'll be back at some time.
42:19It's that, when you start hearing coaches and the beat talking about hope, that's not what I want to hear.
42:25What we want to hear is, like, black and white, this is when this player is going to be back.
42:31Right. And not only, like, absence of a negative is always harder to evaluate than an obvious negative.
42:37Like, guys who pearl hamstrings and are still not on the field, like, those, we know how to deal with those.
42:43You know, it's this, it's that middle ground that's hard.
42:46Let's talk about the Titans, an up-and-coming franchise, I'm going to be charitable and say.
42:50They feel like they have their quarterback of the future, maybe they do, and they took their receiver of the future high on draft day this past year.
42:59They have so many people at wide receiver, though.
43:01I would love, you know, Matt Waldman, your colleague, my friend, your friend, loves Carnell Tate, comped him to Justin Jefferson.
43:07I'm so interested. I want to be on Carnell Tate, and I'm sure the market does, too, and will, and probably good
43:14news about him in training camp will only make his ADP get higher.
43:18But because everybody decides what teams are definitely good and what teams are definitely bad, there probably is a limit to how high Carnell Tate can go.
43:26And I think if he has just a neutral training camp in which the stories are just about how, yes, he's a
43:32starter and you don't need to worry about that, I might be okay with the idea of reaching for him.
43:38Because I don't think that price is ever going to get so bad that if he flops, it ruins your season.
43:45Right. And I think that now, too, you know, when you look at ADP this year, I think that because the last
43:51couple of rookie classes have been a little bit disappointing, that you probably could get a better discount on a player like
43:58Carnell Tate than you could have after Jamar Chase and after Justin Jefferson.
44:01And I don't want to go off on that whole tangent, but I think this could be one of the years where
44:08we go back to drafting rookies again because you aren't drafting them at the end of the first round like we had to with Marvin Harrison Jr.
44:16Like we should be able to get a deal here.
44:19So I've actually kind of drawn a line in my rankings with Carnell Tate saying that I will draft him until he gets into round four.
44:27Like I will chase that helium up the board a little bit because I think he's a good player.
44:32I think he's a talented player, but I want to draw a line for myself and say, okay, once he gets into round four, then I'm done.
44:40And I think that he'll probably stay outside of that, but I don't think that there's anything that they can see.
44:47And I want to say I like the Titans beat a lot.
44:50I think that they have some really good reporters who do some really good work, but I don't care.
44:56There's no amount of raving. They could say that this guy looks like the next Randy Moss out there.
45:01There's nothing I can do that will get me to draft him inside of round four.
45:06Yeah, I've done blended ranks for the Almanac. They're not on the website yet, but they'll be up by the end of
45:13the month because then the Almanac will be up out and everything like that.
45:17And that's I have in a standard league. I have Tate 60 overall in a full PPR.
45:22I have 57 overall. We're talking the same language.
45:25We're basically saying fifth round. I'm just not going to get mad at somebody taking a shot there because this is not
45:31the equivalent of spending the 15 overall pick on Marvin Harrison.
45:34You know, just you can't hurt yourself. We blow fifth round picks all the time.
45:39I like, you know, I fart about my, you know, I, we screw up probably more fifth round picks than we get
45:45because it's just hard at that point. There aren't any guarantees.
45:49So if you screw up on Tate, you're not that mad.
45:52And of course, a player like it becomes a bummer because it sounds like you want to be pretty hopeful on him too.
45:59And I would like to be hopeful on him.
46:01And unfortunately, we go into training camp. And the only thing we can do is take bad news and lower him and
46:08not take good news and raise him. It just feels like you're being such a downer.
46:13And yet history just tells us, right, that that has to be the way that we play it.
46:18Yeah. And I think the problem, like the ceiling for Carnell Tate is immense.
46:22You know, we're looking at a guy who's drafted fourth overall and he's got the production profile and the athleticism, like all of the things that we want.
46:30But I think that you kind of nailed it when you said like you almost want no good news because then all
46:37that's going to do is inflate his cost to above where it should be.
46:41And the problem is with these young rookies that have the draft capital, like the team is incentivized to hype these guys up.
46:48Like every time Carnell Tate makes a contested catch, you're going to see it on Twitter because the Titans Twitter account is
46:55going to share that video clip and the beat is going to get super excited about it.
47:00So I think the best case scenario, as wild as it sounds, is that he kind of has a quiet camp and
47:06that you can get him at a discounted cost.
47:09Yeah. Quiet camp would be good. And probably even where we're talking about is not so much a discount.
47:14It's just rational, you know, and you're hoping to stem the irrationality.
47:18You're trying to get away from it. And that's why I started by talking about Jamar Chase and Justin Jefferson.
47:24And I said, I don't want to go off on that tangent, but I think that we have over the last couple
47:30of years gotten way over our skis with these rookies because yeah, when you drafted Justin Jefferson in round six and he had the rookie season.
47:38He did. He won you your league. And when you got Jamar Chase in round six, he won you your league.
47:44But then everybody started saying, okay, well, Malik neighbors and Roma Dunzey and Marvin Harrison Jr.
47:49We have to draft these guys in round two because look at what they can do.
47:54So I think now what were we expecting to kind of fall into round five, round six, hopefully I think that's just
48:00the market regulating back to where it always should have been.
48:04We just kind of got rookie drunk over the last few years.
48:07Fully agree. And obviously the lead running back has been a much worse example of that where they're taking having to take
48:14him like with a six pick or something. And obviously we've all dined out on that horrible trend.
48:19And yeah, like last year, the receivers went high in the NFL draft, but didn't go high in fantasy.
48:25Ted McMillan was a very reasonable pick. And, you know, so was Matthew Golden.
48:29And the Packers were very glowing. I remember the GM talking about Matthew Golden.
48:33He's never had a bad day. Every stacking days, every day he does something new that's amazing.
48:38You couldn't have. Based on their clips in August last year between Ted Earl McMillan and Matthew Golden, there's no way you
48:45could have ever guessed which one was going to be awesome for fantasy and which one was going to suck because they both got nothing but puff pieces.
48:53And that's why I wish I had done the NFC North with you last year, Chris, because I did not think Matthew Golden was a good receiver.
49:01I thought that they reached for him in the draft.
49:04I didn't think he was a good player, but it just got to be so much.
49:09Like you said, the GM, the coaches, everybody was talking about how amazing he looked.
49:13That I begrudgingly moved him up my rankings and drafted him in a handful of leagues.
49:18And I wish I had just stuck to my pre-training camp idea that he wasn't that good.
49:23Yeah, I mean, he was the wide receiver 40 last year.
49:26So, again, even though you're beating yourself up because it would have been like a quote-unquote good call, nobody lost their fantasy
49:33league because they took Matthew Golden in the whatever that is, the eighth round, ninth round.
49:38You know, it's like, yeah, it was the opportunity cost of not getting, I don't know, a Mecca Buka.
49:43You know, would have been better, at least for a couple months there to have a Mecca Buka, no question.
49:49But like two receivers after Matthew Golden was Cooper Cup.
49:52You know, so my point would be don't beat yourself up too much about that one because, you know, to your larger
49:59point, which is that the receiver market for rookies has just gotten a lot more rational.
50:03And people aren't out there chasing like too big to fail type picks with rookie receivers anymore, which is why if someone,
50:10I mean, we talked about Jordan Tyson with Jim on Tuesday.
50:13And I'm like, yeah, I'm scared to death. I don't know anything about the kid.
50:18I don't watch college football. All I know is he's been hurt his entire career.
50:22But at the same, by the same token, as long as everything is like fine and he doesn't get hurt, I'm not
50:29going to get mad at somebody about, mad at somebody for saying, you know what?
50:33Instead of taking Jacoby Myers, I'm going to take Jordan Tyson.
50:36Like it could work out fine and you're not going to ruin your draft.
50:40Right. It's when you get into the should I take AJ Brown or Jordan Tyson that we've lost the plot.
50:46Right. All right. So then the last part I want to ask you about is the Titans backfield.
50:52And when we've done whoever, I don't remember who, but whoever's done this division with me in July for each of the
50:58past few years, we've been trying to give away Tony Pollard's job like crazy.
51:02And I guess all I really know is that the old coaching administration, we're not interested in that.
51:08You know, I think Ty J Spears looks like a fun little player on film.
51:12I appear to be the only one. Brian Callahan did not agree with that assessment, but it is a new group of
51:19coaches and they also drafted Nicholas Singleton. And so like I think Tony Pollard is, you know, cromulent, they would say.
51:25I think he's a good starting fine, starting quality type player.
51:28It's very funny to me that there were people talking about him as a first round pick that last year in Dallas
51:35because he is not that good, but he's he's obviously affordable.
51:38Is there anything that you could hear, see, you know, can August change the way you're currently perceiving those guys?
51:44Absolutely. And it's not so much anything that we're going to hear about Tony Pollard or Ty J Spears, but it's Nick
51:50Singleton's health because I think Nick Singleton is a very, very good running back, but he suffered a broken foot in the spring.
51:57So I think that that can really change how we expect this backfield to look, because if it is anything without Nick
52:04Singleton, like if he's still struggling to get back, he misses training camp.
52:08I mean, I'm kind of at the point of a rookie can't perform in training camp.
52:12I don't even factor them into the regular season.
52:15It is so hard for a rookie to miss training camp and then hop on a moving train in the middle of
52:22the season and find a path to production. So if Nick Singleton is a non-factor in training camp, then I think we
52:28just look at this backfield the same weight that we have for the last couple of years.
52:33Tony Pollard gets his work. Ty J Spears gets some change of pace work.
52:37He can be the handcuff if Tony Pollard has to miss any time.
52:41But if we get reports that Nick Singleton healed faster than expected and his foot is healthy and he's ready to go,
52:48then we're looking at a three-headed committee and that's a lot harder to get a read on.
52:53So that's really what I'm going to be paying attention to is Nick Singleton.
52:57If he's healthy to start training camp, then I'm moving Tony Pollard down and I'm moving Ty J Spears down.
53:03And I don't even know if I want to draft Nick Singleton, but just knowing that there is a young, healthy back
53:09in this backfield, it just kind of works the whole thing up enough that I'd be willing to avoid it entirely.
53:16Okay. That was going to be my question. It's less about, oh boy, I'm super excited.
53:20The Singleton kid is definitely going to take over the backfield.
53:24It's more about, I just don't want the apple to be carved that many ways.
53:28And I just kind of want to, instead of relying on Tony Pollard to be my flex, I'm going to go get
53:35some receiver or whoever, you know, I'm going to not worry so much about it.
53:39Any possible, let's, well, let me ask you first about, I'll ask you a little another Singleton question and then I'll ask you a Spears question.
53:47Again, please understand that this is not me questioning your beliefs on Nicholas Singleton because I've never heard of the man until three months ago.
53:54So I do not, I do, all I know is what I've read and what Matt has told me.
54:00And it's that, you know, he was supposed to be the next guy at Penn State.
54:05He was Saquon. He had a good rookie year, freshman year.
54:08And, and then Katron Allen, like basically took that job away from him.
54:12And there, there began to grow. And obviously Singleton went from being like a first half of the first round type prospect
54:18to much, much later where he wound up going.
54:21There began to become a suspicion that he's a better athlete than he has a running back.
54:26Do you, do you share that? This is not about training camp.
54:30Just sort of, I'm interested in your, what you know about him.
54:33I'm not calling you like the savant when it comes to college players, but just like interested in your, your perspective on him.
54:40Well, I did 58 rookie running back scouting reports.
54:43That's what I do. You know, we seek and destroy with all of the incoming rookie class.
54:48And I do cover the running backs here for our rookie guide.
54:51So I did prefer Katron Allen to Nick Singleton because of what happened last year.
54:56You know, Drew Aller got hurt and then they started loading the box.
55:00Katron Allen saw more work and he was better with that work, more efficient than he had ever been before.
55:06And I think Nick Singleton, you know, the, the kind of word out of Penn State was that it was a mental thing.
55:12That like, once Drew Aller went down, he just kind of said, Hey, you know, my career's over at this point.
55:19I'm getting ready for the NFL. And he just kind of checked out mentally is kind of what they're saying at Penn State.
55:25So he is a very, very good athlete. He was a five-star recruit coming out of high school.
55:31So I think the ceiling is there, but that is absolutely him kind of thrown in the towel last season is what
55:37caused him to fall down to day three. And that said, but still, it probably depends on, it's another vibes thing.
55:44Probably. I'm going to start saying that more because you're 100% right.
55:47I, I beat around the bush and I talk and I talk and I talk.
55:52And in the end, what I'm trying to say is about, it's a vibes thing.
55:56Thank you for, thank you for that. It does become Singleton in Titans camp becomes something of he's, he needs to be healthy.
56:03And then it just needs to be kind of a vibey, like, oh, this kid's mixing in a lot, you know, the
56:09second week of this, it, it, it kind of does start to have to make you look cross-eyed a little bit at, at Tony Pollard.
56:17That's interesting. And the last thing I, oh, sorry.
56:19Go ahead. And I think the reason that like, if he is heavily involved in training camp, I think, and we're getting way ahead of ourselves here.
56:27Like we're making a lot of assumptions to get to this point, but it is a new regime and Tony Pollard and
56:34Tajay Spears are both on expiring contracts. So I think that if Singleton's healthy, they might want to get a look and
56:41see what he can do with a bigger role late in the year, which if that does happen, you know, that's the
56:47worst possible scenario for Tony Pollard and Tajay Spears rafters.
56:50Right. Actually, along those same lines, I was going to wrap up with a Spears question, which is that Tajay Spears is small.
56:57And that, and he has been, he has very much been pigeonholed into what we think of the traditionally as the very
57:03fast, very quick, but pretty small running back. Sorry, man.
57:06You're a satellite back. You're playing on third downs.
57:09You're Kenny Gainwell. That's just what you're always going to be.
57:12And there's this, there's been this new generation, generation being like three years of smaller running backs who people are starting to
57:19go, you know, actually Devon HN can handle it.
57:21Actually, maybe Bucky Irving can handle it. But actually we have dreams that, you know, insert small running back, Keaton Mitchell can, can, can handle it.
57:29I've always thought, you know, Spears had a moment with Derek Henry where it was like, oh, could like, if Henry goes
57:36away, could, could Spears maybe be your feature guy?
57:38Would you be at all, this is a long question for me to get to a simple question, all receptive to the
57:45idea that Brian Dables knew there and everyone starts with a clean slate.
57:49And maybe if there's some, some hype around Spears that could get interesting.
57:53Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I, I am with you that.
57:56I think Taljay Spears is a very, very talented player.
57:59Like he's just got that jitterbug movement style. Like he is just fun to watch when he's got the ball in his hand blazing quick.
58:06The issue is, and I'm sure you know this, Chris, but he's got no ACLs.
58:10Like he tours ACLs multiple times in college. And that's why he fell in the NFL draft.
58:16He has a lengthy collegiate knee injury history. So I, I think that they like purposely kind of limit his role because of that knee injury history.
58:24Now in the last year of the deal, they probably don't care.
58:27And it's a new coaching staff. They probably don't care.
58:30Like they aren't thinking about what Taljay Spears is going to be doing for him three, four years from now.
58:36So we could see some extended work. So, um, Tony Pollard, you know, he's the, the KG veteran that, uh, has held
58:43onto this job for the last couple of years.
58:45But I think every time there's a new coaching staff, you do kind of have to step back and wonder how that
58:52depth chart is going to get shuffled around. And if we're getting a lot of, Hey, you know, Taljay Spears, Brian Dable
58:58wants to trust him with a big workload. He's healthy right now.
59:02He prefers him to Tony Pollard. He's getting reps with the ones.
59:05I don't think it's all that crazy to think that a new coaching staff could look at the two and say, Taljay
59:12Spears is the better back between these guys. Yeah.
59:15Well, it's, I would be interested. Probably I'm just, I would be a sucker for that kind of news.
59:20That vibes shift. I am the audience for that vibe shift.
59:24I'll be, I'll be camped out on Titans beat reporters webpages waiting for people to say that.
59:29Cause again, though, I think that implies that I'm somehow, I hate Tony Pollard.
59:33I've always just been, I don't know if you can identify with this.
59:37I've always been kind of just right in the middle on Tony Pollard when everybody hated him.
59:42I was like, yeah, I'll draft him in the seventh round.
59:45If you're gonna let him fall there. And then when everybody loved him, I'm like, yeah, no, I'm not taking him in third round.
59:52What are you doing? So like, I don't, it's not like I'm saying he's bad.
59:56And I don't think, I think, I think when I said cagey veteran, that's exactly how I feel about him.
60:02Like, I think that that's what he is. Like, you know, he is a serviceable NFL running back, but I really think
60:09so much of the limited workload that we've seen from Taljay Spears is just due to the history because we did see
60:15in year two for a short period of time, like they, they bumped up his touches a little bit.
60:21Like he had a game where it looked like he was starting to run away.
60:26It was like week three or four. He saw near 20 touches and then he got hurt the next week.
60:31And then he came back and he got hurt again.
60:34He got hurt three times in that second year.
60:37So I think that a lot of that, you know, and that was all the same coaching staff, but I think that
60:44the multiple injuries that he sustained in year two after already having that injury red flag coming into the league, I think
60:50that just kind of scared off the coaching staff and they never wanted to give him more than six to eight touches
60:57a game because last time they did, he just kept getting hurt.
61:00Yeah. That's you want to turn into the saving private Ryan aging meme.
61:04Tony Pollard just turned 29. What? Yeah. How is that possible?
61:07He just came out of college like six months ago, didn't he?
61:11How quickly, like Jeff Bell and I talk about this all the time.
61:15It's kind of like an ongoing joke that we make on our show, but you know, like the, the fantasy drafters, the
61:21community industry, whatever you want to call it, like they get so blinded by youth and they're saying like, Ramadre Stevenson needs
61:28to take the job from Damian Harris. He's the young back.
61:31He's the good back. And then as soon as Ramadre Stevenson gets that job, then he's going to be on Henderson needs to take the job from Ramadre.
61:39He's this old dusty running back. And the same thing happened with Tony Pollard.
61:44He's the guy that was supposed to steal the job from Zeke Elliott.
61:47And then as soon as he does, then he goes to Tennessee, gets his big contract and everyone goes, Tajay Spears needs
61:54to take the job from that old dusty Tony Pollard.
61:57All right. Well, you're the best. I appreciate you doing this and, um, and now I'm going to try to be a
62:04little less loquacious when I come to describing what I'm trying to do and just talk about vibes more because you're a
62:10hundred percent right that a lot of the times what I'm talking about is vibes.
62:14In fact, uh, what a pleasure to get you on and, um, and your insights are of course amazing.
62:20You can find Dave all over social media, find him on Twitter, find him on blue sky, wherever you are.
62:26He is. And of course, look him up at football guys.com.
62:29He's on a lot of different shows for the football guys and producing a ton of great work.
62:35What a pleasure to have you, Dave. You know, I'll ask you back on in August.
62:39Thank you so much. And you know, I will accept that invitation when I get it.
62:44Always a pleasure, Chris. And thank you so much for listening.
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63:40That's going to do it for this Friday episode.
63:43You know, we'll be back on Tuesday. We're going to do another division.
63:47Which division have I decided yet? No, I have not.
63:49I'm not really planning more than one day of my life ahead at a time, except to say, of course, I have,
63:56uh, I have in fact lined up a guest.
63:59Do I remember who it is? I do remember.
64:01It is Jake Seeley. I had to think about it though.
64:05I had to think about it. I haven't told Jake even which division we're doing.
64:09But we're going to do more training camp preview stuff.
64:12I hope this is useful. I think it is.
64:15For me, it really is crystallizing like the stuff that you want to pay attention to and especially crystallizing the stuff you
64:21don't want to get carried away by. That's my goal for July so that when we get to August, we don't get
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