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Previewing AFC South & Almanac Stuff

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1 hr 5 min
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Jul 10, 2026
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Fri, July 10, 2026
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Alec PierceBrian Thomas Jr.Calvin RidleyCarnell TateChris RodriguezDaniel JonesDavid MontgomeryJayden HigginsJonathan TaylorJordyn TysonJosh DownsMatthew GoldenNicholas SingletonNico Collins
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Alec Pierce

NegativeInjury32:52

Alec Pierce is coming off an injury and his fantasy outlook is heavily dependent on Daniel Jones's health. If Jones suffers a setback and is unavailable for week one, the source would not draft Pierce at all. Additionally, if there are setbacks or complications with Anthony Richardson's Achilles injury recovery, the source would be out on the entire Colts passing attack, including Pierce.

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Brian Thomas Jr.

NegativeInjury19:00

Jacksonville WR identified as the primary monitoring target for training camp news due to prior injury history. The source notes Thomas is 'probably the key guy to monitor news on if you're going to monitor anybody' in the Jaguars receiving room. In early 2024, the Jaguars attempted to deploy Thomas as an all-field weapon before his injury, but he struggled to produce in that role, adding uncertainty to his role deployment going forward.

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Calvin Ridley

NegativeDepth Chart55:30

Titans WR listed as part of receiving room depth chart alongside Elick Iomaner and Chimre Dike; the source notes Ridley is a temporary member ('for now'), suggesting uncertainty about his long-term role or potential departure.

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Carnell Tate

NegativeValue39:30

Harris has drawn line in rankings saying he will draft Carnell Tate until he gets into round four, but will not draft him inside round four regardless of training camp hype. Blended Almanac ranks place him at 60 overall in standard and 57 overall in full PPR (approximately fifth round). Harris views him as talented player with immense ceiling due to fourth-overall draft capital and production profile, but wants to stem irrationality in rookie receiver market and avoid paying up for training camp helium. Harris notes that because last couple of rookie classes have been disappointing, Tate can be drafted at better discount than receivers like Jamar Chase and Justin Jefferson were, and that fifth-round pick on him is low-risk relative to earlier rookie receiver investments. Harris acknowledges Tate's ceiling is immense given draft capital, production profile, and athleticism, but notes that good training camp news will only inflate his cost above where it should be. Harris prefers quiet training camp scenario to stem irrationality, as Titans organization is incentivized to hype young draft picks and will share contested catch clips on social media, which could drive his ADP higher than warranted.

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Chris Rodriguez

PositiveValue13:00

Jacksonville RB candidate preferred over Bashaw Tootin due to superior talent profile: breaks tackles, accelerates into contact, keeps offenses on schedule, and posts top-five advanced analytics in broken tackle rate and success rate. Has college connection with Jaguars coach Liam Cohen. Expected to be significantly cheaper than Tootin in drafts despite superior film and analytics. The source expects Rodriguez to be more involved than market pricing suggests unless training camp drumbeat proves otherwise.

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Daniel Jones

NegativeInjury31:06

Daniel Jones's health is the critical linchpin for the entire Colts offense and all skill weapon values. The Colts offense was one of the best in the league with Jones healthy last year and one of the worst without him. Early reports indicate he should be ready for the start of training camp, but any indication that he is not quite there yet or delayed would trigger panic on the entire offense. The source will monitor his practice status closely and adjust Colts player values based on whether he is on the practice field.

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David Montgomery

PositiveRole28:00

The source is 100% confident that David Montgomery will be the three-down back for the Texans, mirroring the team's intention with Nick Chubb last year and Joe Mixon before his decline. Montgomery is expected to handle all offensive roles and is far and away the better running back compared to Woody Marks, making him the clear focal point of the Texans backfield.

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Jayden Higgins

PositiveBreakout24:48

The source came out of film review very positive on Jaden Higgins despite limited opportunities in 2024. While he didn't get to do a ton early in the season, his performance improved as the season progressed, suggesting potential upside if given more opportunities in the Texans receiver room.

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Jonathan Taylor

NegativeProjection31:45

Jonathan Taylor was an RB3 without Daniel Jones healthy last year but was the top-scoring running back with Jones on the field. His fantasy value is entirely dependent on Jones's health status. If Jones suffers a setback or is unavailable for week one, Taylor would fall significantly in rankings, though the source would not let him fall below the middle of the second round even in a worst-case scenario. With Jones healthy, Taylor is an early first-round pick.

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Jordyn Tyson

NegativeInjury50:00

Harris expresses skepticism about Jordan Tyson, noting he doesn't watch college football and all he knows is Tyson has been hurt his entire career. Harris notes that as long as everything is fine and he doesn't get hurt, he would not be mad at someone taking Tyson instead of Jacoby Myers in late-round scenario, as it could work out fine and you're not going to ruin your draft. Harris emphasizes the issue is when you get into should-I-take-AJ-Brown-or-Jordan-Tyson debate, which is when the market has lost the plot.

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Josh Downs

NegativeRole32:52

The source would love to think Josh Downs might be a sneaky high-catch-rate option in the Colts offense, but his value is entirely dependent on Daniel Jones's health; if Jones suffers a setback and is unavailable for week one, the source would not draft Downs at all. Additionally, if there are setbacks or complications with Anthony Richardson's Achilles injury recovery, the source would be out on the entire Colts passing attack, probably not wanting Josh Downs even if he's the cheapest of the bunch.

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Matthew Golden

NegativeBust48:00

Harris regrets moving Matthew Golden up in rankings during training camp last year despite pre-training camp conviction he was not a good receiver and Packers reached for him in draft. Golden received nothing but puff pieces from Packers organization and beat reporters during August, with GM and coaches raving about him, causing Harris to begrudgingly move him up and draft him in handful of leagues. Golden finished as WR 40 last year. Harris uses Golden as cautionary example of how training camp hype can override pre-camp conviction. Opportunity cost of reaching on Golden: could have had Mecca Buka instead in eighth or ninth round, who was better at least for couple months.

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Nicholas Singleton

PositiveProjection51:40

Harris views Nicholas Singleton as very, very good running back with high ceiling. Singleton was five-star recruit coming out of high school and is very good athlete. However, Singleton fell in draft due to concerns about mental toughness and effort last season at Penn State, where he appeared to check out mentally after Drew Allar got hurt and Katron Allen took over workload. Harris prefers Katron Allen to Singleton based on college tape, but acknowledges Singleton's ceiling is there if he can get healthy and engaged. Singleton suffered broken foot in spring, which is key variable that will determine how Titans backfield looks. If Singleton is still struggling to get back or misses training camp, Harris will not factor him into regular season expectations, as it is very hard for rookie to miss training camp and then find path to production mid-season. If reports indicate Singleton healed faster than expected and foot is healthy and ready to go, Harris would view backfield as three-headed committee.

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Nico Collins

NegativeRole19:00

Jacksonville WR with significant limitations in receiving role; terrified to go over the middle and requires sideline-only deployment. The source notes Collins 'could play anywhere' initially but coaching staff realized he cannot handle middle-of-field routes, forcing them to 'ride him on the rail, on the sideline.' This role limitation constrains his usage and fantasy ceiling in the Jaguars offense.

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Parker Washington

PositiveRole22:00

The source has a positive feeling about Parker Washington as a slot receiver in the Jaguars offense. Washington was glued to the slot on over 70% of snaps last year, and the source notes that slot receivers in a Liam Cohen offense can be very productive, suggesting defined role clarity and upside within that role.

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Tank Dell

NegativeInjury25:20

Tank Dell suffered a brutal knee injury and was not 100% at OTAs, still watching from sidelines and doing limited workouts. While he is considered the alpha and leader of the Texans receiver room, his recovery status is critical; the source will not factor him into expectations until preseason performance demonstrates he has returned to pre-injury form. Positive news on Dell could suppress other Texans WR values.

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Tony Pollard

NegativeValue50:52

Harris has consistently held middle-ground view on Tony Pollard's draft value: willing to take him in seventh round but not in third round; characterizes him as serviceable NFL running back and cagey veteran, rejecting both hype cycles where fantasy community overvalues youth and narrative that he's washed at age 29. If Nick Singleton is healthy and heavily involved in training camp, Harris would move Pollard down in rankings. Singleton's health is key variable that could change backfield dynamic; if Singleton is healthy, three-headed committee with Pollard, Spears, and Singleton would make backfield harder to get read on and potentially cause Harris to avoid position entirely. With new coaching regime and both Pollard and Spears on expiring contracts, team might want to get look at what Singleton can do with bigger role late in year, which would be worst possible scenario for Pollard.

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Travis Hunter

NegativeRole20:20

Travis Hunter's offensive vs. defensive snap split is a critical X-factor for the entire Jaguars WR room. The source expects Hunter to play primarily defense (no cornerback was drafted, filling a position of need), but if he splits time with the offense at 50-60% of snaps in training camp, it would significantly complicate the three-WR room structure and suppress ADP expectations for all Jaguars receivers. The source plans to monitor practice reports closely to determine his offensive involvement.

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Tyler Warren

NegativeProjection39:30

The source states they do not want Tyler Warren if there are setbacks or complications with Anthony Richardson's Achilles injury recovery. If Richardson shows multiple setbacks, complications, or cannot get up to 100%, the source would be out on the entire Colts passing attack, including Warren.

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Wan'Dale Robinson

PositiveProjection47:30

Harris projects Titans WR Wandale Robinson for 700 yards and 5 TDs despite undersized profile (4 inches shorter and 17 pounds lighter than Amon-Ra St. Brown). Film grades: Speed B, Elusiveness B+, End Zone C, Hands upgraded to B; Situation grade B-. Robinson's 1,014 receiving yards in 2025 would be the highest total for any receiver his height/weight this millennium; Cole Beasley's comparable 967 yards required injury to Malik Nabers and Giants dysfunction. Robinson is a 'hard-working wiggly worm' with fearless play and tackle-breaking ability; Harris willing to use bench spot despite modest projection. However, Titans drafted Carnell Tate fourth overall, which quieted speculation Robinson would become high-volume WR. Cousin Josh's Almanac commentary questions whether Robinson is materially different from Parker Washington or Ladd McConkie, noting WR position is 'super flat' with 'pretty good solutions pretty far down the draft board.'

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Woody Marks

NegativeRole28:00

The source does not believe Woody Marks is a good running back and is skeptical that beat reporters can convince him otherwise. While Marks could theoretically play on some third downs and might be involved as a pass catcher, the source views him as unlikely to significantly impact David Montgomery's usage or role. Any positive news about Marks (e.g., pass-catching involvement) may create draft board helium but should not suppress other Texans skill weapon values.

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Episode Transcript

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0:00It's the Harris Fantasy Football Podcast with your host, Christopher Harris.
0:03Welcome everybody, welcome in. My name is Chris. This is a show about secret civilizations.
0:08Please follow along. Hello in there, everybody. How in the world are you?
0:12Thank you so much for listening today. It's been so fun to be back, to know that a lot of you are listening.
0:18Got several emails from folks. Suddenly my email inbox picks up, which is great.
0:23What a blast. It's early, no question about it.
0:25We try and pace ourselves here in July because there really is no NFL news in July.
0:30But it's a good way to ease ourselves into getting ready for those drafts.
0:34We're doing two shows per week here on the main show in July.
0:38Those drop Tuesdays and Fridays. The Yacht Club also gets one episode per week in July.
0:43Me and Andy Behrens dropping episodes on Monday. I thank you for making all this possible.
0:48And thanks to so many of you for the reminder from this past Tuesday's episode in which I shamefully could not extemporaneously
0:54come up with the correct player whose nickname was Turkey Mayo.
0:58What the heck was my problem? Stands up right on the football run!
1:01Tevin Coleman is a Turkey Mayo! He sure was!
1:04Obviously the answer was Tevin Coleman! I could practically feel the psychic blast coming from a thousand people shouting at their phones or their laptops.
1:12Harris, you knucklehead! Tevin Coleman is a Turkey Mayo!
1:14But then again, if I hadn't messed that up, we wouldn't have gotten to play that old favorite sound drop from like 2019.
1:21So who's the idiot now? Yes, okay granted I am the idiot now.
1:25Alright, so the Almanac is truly getting closer. We are rounding the home stretch.
1:29I am rounding the home stretch. I am very ready for you to be reading this thing.
1:34Still got a few weeks to go, but I've been working on it every day since the beginning of May.
1:40It is a monster. The profiles are written. A couple of exceptions.
1:44I'm waiting to write... Who is it? Stefan Diggs I haven't written.
1:47Come on, sign with somebody and then I don't have to write a generic profile.
1:52I haven't written Alan Kamara yet. I just think eventually the Saints are going to get rid of him.
1:57But those are going to be the last two probably that I write.
2:01Anyway, very close with the artwork. The layout is mostly done.
2:04I have to finish off the last of the ranks, the appendices.
2:08A few weeks, the Almanac will be delivered to your hot little hands as a PDF.
2:13I keep forgetting the count. How many profiles have I written?
2:16I think it's... When I write those two, it'll be 233 profiles.
2:20Film grades for everybody except the rookies. Lots of film watching.
2:23Lots of snark. Not only do you get the Almanac delivered August 3rd, you also get an update at the end of
2:29August where I redline everything that changes over training camp.
2:32Your fantasy print magazine could never... It's $22. I think on the website I say it's 240 pages.
2:38That is a lie. That is like 300 pages by now.
2:41The profiles get more in-depth every year. And you can pre-order it right now at harrisfootball.com.
2:46Let's read you a profile. We're doing the AFC South teams on the show today.
2:50So how about Wandale Robinson's profile? He's moved to the Titans.
2:53Still only 25 years old. For film grades. Speed, he gets a B.
2:57Elusiveness, a B+. End zone, a C. Those are all carryover grades.
3:01Didn't see major changes in those. But hands, I upgraded to a B.
3:05It's marked on there so you can see all the film grade changes from the previous year.
3:10Robinson got an upgrade to a B. Had not a great hands year two years ago, but last year much better.
3:16Situation grade, he gets a B-. His profile goes like this.
3:19We're about to list a bunch of undersized slot guys.
3:22They're all good players, but probably better for real life NFL action than for fantasy.
3:27Their limbs and A-dots are teeny. Of that group, you can give me Wandale first.
3:31Mainly because when circumstances conspired to give him a shot at a high volume job last year, he took advantage.
3:37He was a short king in more ways than one.
3:40Robinson is a hard-working wiggly worm. If you spend a while watching his routes, which I just did to write this profile,
3:47you'll realize what a hard time defenders have figuring out which way he's about to break.
3:51Plus, he's a sturdy little, he's sturdy for a little guy.
3:55Week six against the Eagles in a typical Jackson Dart runaround.
3:58Robinson waved his hands on the sidelines and got a short throw, but was dead to rights.
4:03Rookie safety Andrew Mabuka wrapped Wandale up and the play should have been over, but Robinson stood his ground, let Mabuka swing
4:09all the way around him and lose his grip, and he was off to the races for a touchdown.
4:15He's fearless, getting thumped by the Chiefs week three at the end of the game.
4:19Robinson ran a post from the slot into three defenders and Russell Wilson threw him a hospital ball, but Wandale snagged it and got drilled.
4:27He's gutty. Week seven against the Broncos on a third and twelve.
4:30Robinson caught a one yard screen and wove through half the defense and stuck his nose in to eek over the first down line.
4:38He's everything you want in a football player, except big enough.
4:41We talk about how little Amon Ross St. Brown is.
4:44He's four inches taller and 17 pounds heavier. Wandale is little.
4:47When people used to tell you Cole Beasley was really about to become a fantasy factor, that's what this is like.
4:53In fact, Robinson's 1,014 receiving yards from 2025 is the highest total of any receiver his height and weight this millennium.
5:00Beasley once did 967. And of course, that required a Malik Nabors injury and also required the Giants to otherwise be absolute ass.
5:06But yeah, the Titans of 26 might be absolute ass too.
5:10New Tennessee offensive coordinator Brian Dable surely put in a special request to spend the $38 million guaranteed to get Robinson in
5:16free agency since he used to coach Wandale in New York.
5:19And for a few weeks there, folks were doing some serious dot connecting and deciding that Robinson was on his way to
5:26becoming a volume wide receiver too for fantasy. But of course, then the Titans drafted Carnell Tate number four overall, and that quieted down.
5:33Tennessee also still has Elick Iomaner and Chimre Dike, and for now Calvin Ridley.
5:37But the one guy in that room I'm absolutely certain is a baller is Wandale.
5:42It'll probably only add up to 700 yards and five touchdowns, but I don't mind using a bench spot just in case I'm wrong.
5:49So that's the end of the profile. But then what a treat as the number 48 standard league rating wide receiver.
5:55We also get a cousin Josh says in the Almanac about Wandale because cousin Josh weighs in on like somewhere between 20 and 30 players throughout the Almanac.
6:03And about Robinson, he says, as a mature adult, I don't usually mess around with PPR guys.
6:08So I'm not here to scream from the rooftops that everybody needs to draft Wandale Robinson.
6:13But riddle me this, is he really that different from, say, Parker Washington?
6:17I'll go even further. Is he really even that different from Ladd McConkie?
6:21I mean, the answer is probably yes, but you have to admit you're not positive.
6:25As a position, wide receiver is super flat and you can find pretty good solutions pretty far down the draft board.
6:32That is what cousin Josh says. You can, in fact, as I've mentioned, preorder right now at HarrisFootball.com.
6:37All right. So something else I've, of course, been mentioning.
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6:43Where do cumulative presses tentacles not reach in the world economy?
6:46I'm proud to say that they are publishing my new novel, Pound Foolish.
6:50It's about football and it's a serial killer mystery.
6:53It'll be coming out 9-1, September 1st. Pretty soon, I'll have a way for you to preorder that as well.
6:59But this past Tuesday, I mentioned on the show, hey, if you have any place in sports media you think would be
7:05fun to have them interview me, let me know.
7:08I just, I think I just over pitched it.
7:11I made it sound more complicated or like I needed you to have some expertise more than I do.
7:16The reason I'm saying this is because only like a half dozen people.
7:20I love you. Thank you so much for writing me.
7:23But like a half dozen people wrote me. Anything else?
7:26I say, hey, email me. I get like a lot of emails.
7:30So I just want to say you don't have to be like a book expert or I'm not asking like, hey, how do I market my book?
7:38I'm not asking you that. If you have a favorite sports podcast or really anything that's sports related or football related, you
7:44think it would be cool for them to interview me in August?
7:48You know, interview me about football. Let me know because I'm just like looking to spread out further.
7:53And then, you know, I'm going to sneak in a little uppercut about the book, but it won't mostly be just about sports.
8:00So if you, if you, if you just have something you listen to or watch or whatever that you love that you
8:07say, Oh, it'd be funny if Chris was on that.
8:10Hey, Harris at Harris football.com. Um, so, uh, you know, I need your suggestions because I don't know what the hell I'm doing.
8:16I do appreciate it. Today's kick. Okay. On today's show, our division by division previews of NFL training camps does.
8:22In fact, continue with the AFC South. We'll talk about what specific stuff we should be looking for and the specific stuff
8:29we should not be looking for in August for the Jaguars, Texans, Colts, and Titans to help me sort through it and
8:35to probably get yelled at just a little bit only because he's great.
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10:01What a pleasure to have you, my friend. Happy July.
10:04Happy July. Yeah, this is the time of year where absolutely nothing is happening.
10:09So people take any little bit of information and just run wild with it.
10:13I am just kind of waiting for training camps to open.
10:16You know, we actually get real news that we should react to.
10:20There you go. Now, and many of those news, we shouldn't react to those either.
10:24And that's going to be, as you know, the theme of today's show in which once again, you have received the dreaded
10:31email of Doom, which has cautioned you with bold and underlined to never do the thing that you're not supposed to do,
10:37which is I don't, you know, we're previewing training camps for these four teams of the AFC South.
10:42So the idea is like, what are we willing to take the bait on if we get stories that push us in one direction or another?
10:50And what should the listeners very much just tune out?
10:53And to be honest, what I do based on these eight shows that we do in July, I assemble a list of all the players.
11:01The guests say, no, no, no, this is someone I actually am interested to hear all those beat reports about.
11:06And then that's it. Then that's kind of the list.
11:09And beyond that, I try like unless it's an injury, I just try not to pay attention at all because there's just
11:16so many rat holes you could wind up going down because some beat reporter felt like, you know, he was Hemingway that day.
11:23Exactly. And I'm glad that I'm doing, I would have loved to do the NFC North, but I'm sure that there are other people doing the NFC North.
11:31I think outside of the NFC North, the AFC South is one of the most fun divisions to talk about.
11:37There's so much change in this division. You've got a lot of rising teams.
11:41You've got young players. You've got ambiguous backfields and ambiguous wide receiver rooms.
11:45So I'm thrilled that we get to talk AFC South because I think this is just such a fun division to discuss.
11:52All right. Well, along those lines, let's dig right in.
11:55We'll start with the division champion. Didn't feel like they were division champions at the end of the year, but they were.
12:01The Jaguars of Jacksonville. We'll talk about their backfield because it has probably the biggest departure in this division.
12:07Travis Etienne leaves the Jags, goes to New Orleans.
12:09And like, it's going to be very difficult for me to stand up here on my high horse and say, no, you
12:16may not pay any attention at all to what people are saying about practices and formations and who's playing where in the
12:22Jags backfield because it's all new with the main guy gone.
12:26So clearly this is one we're going to be tracking.
12:29But like, I guess when it's a situation like this and you don't really know, neither of us really knows what the news is going to be.
12:37It could be very generic. The Liam Cohen just doesn't tip his hand at all.
12:41And we just not wind up not getting anything to move on.
12:45But there could be some real things or some speculation or whatever.
12:48How do do you even begin to kind of like philosophically take in what you're going to hear about Jacksonville's backfield over that month?
12:55Well, I think Sigmund Blum talks about all the time, you know, the drum beats out of camp.
13:01And if you are getting a steady drum beat where there is a unified front of beat reporters and coaches and front
13:07office individuals all saying like, Tootin is the guy, I'd be foolish to ignore it.
13:12But I don't think that we're going to get that because these guys all have such different skill sets.
13:17When you look at what Tootin does and what Chris Rodriguez does and what LaQuinn Allen does.
13:22And if you look at Liam Cohen's history, he is a-okay.
13:26Just kind of leaning on this hot hand approach.
13:28Last year, I think it was a little bit different.
13:31Yeah. So let me- I don't want to get into it.
13:35I want to talk about what to pay attention to.
13:38Okay? So Sig says the drum beat. I don't know what that means.
13:41That's to 50,000 feet. How do I know when I've heard a drum beat?
13:46If I'm listening to this show right now, how will I know when it's kind of shifted over from a bunch of
13:52idle chatter into an actual drum beat? And I think that's what I said, the unified front where you have multiple beat reporters.
13:59You've got coach speak. And then if James Gladstone is coming out as well, like if you've got people in the front
14:05office, the coaching staff, and the beat all saying one thing, that's when I pay attention to it.
14:11But we don't usually get that. We usually have a lot of beat reporters giving their opinions.
14:16I don't know. Again, I don't want your answer.
14:19That's what I'm saying. I don't want your answer.
14:21I'm just going to say that I pay attention to a lot of NFL media.
14:26So do you. It's our job. I don't really know when I'm hearing a drum beat.
14:30I don't really know when I'm hearing something that I can believe.
14:34All right, this is definitely, somebody is definitely telling me Tootin is 100.
14:38Like, yes, of course. Puka Nakua's rookie season. I think that's a perfect example of a drum beat where you heard everybody.
14:44Sean McVay, Jordan Rodriguez, every single beat reporter there was saying this guy Puka Nakua is unbelievable.
14:49And it wasn't a one-off. It wasn't a social media highlight.
14:53It was just repetitive every single day from every single beat reporter.
14:56And if we can get something like that, where, like, Puka Nakua, by the time that season kicked off, everybody knew who
15:03Puka Nakua was going into week one. That's something that could get me on a Bashaw Tootin.
15:08But without something like that, I'm just going to bet on Chris Rodriguez because I think he's the best of the bunch.
15:14You know, I don't know. That's interesting, and I might agree with you to some degree.
15:19Andy and I did a Tootin film review on the Yacht Club during this winter, and we went in with an open
15:26mind, and we did come out like, why does that guy keep running into people?
15:30It was a little bit of like, you could see a lot of raw materials, but does he have, like, uniform blindness?
15:37Can he not understand which players are not the field?
15:40Oh, that guy's not shaped like the field. And he runs right into him.
15:44So it's a good point. And I think probably what you're saying is Rodriguez at his price versus Tootin at his price.
15:50Yeah, which I expect Rodriguez is going to be significantly cheaper.
15:54But I think, yeah, and my review on Tootin was very similar.
15:57And I think that there's a major blind spot among fantasy drafters, the speed scores.
16:02And Tootin can run fast. He can run really fast.
16:04But Chris Rodriguez does all the things that don't show up on speed scores.
16:09He breaks tackles, accelerates into contact, keeps offenses on schedule, you know, all of that sort of stuff that matters.
16:15So in these ambiguous situations where we aren't getting a clear answer from the beat, I'm going to bet on the talent,
16:21and I think that Chris Rodriguez is the most talented back here.
16:25I don't even know if I'll go that far because I like Rodriguez fine, but he is very limited.
16:30I mean, it's like if Tyler Algier had no long speed, you know?
16:34But the point being, they're not going to cost the same.
16:37I can't imagine a scenario where we get so much noise in Jag's training camp that it gets to the point that
16:44people start going, you know what, let's elevate Rodriguez almost to where Tootin's getting drafted.
16:48Like, that's just simply not going to happen. Because like you said, people still remember his combine.
16:53People still remember the relative athletic score, whatever. And so I'll just say it's hard for me to quantify how much or less talented Tootin is than Rodriguez.
17:02They probably do different things well, but given the price difference, the talent gap is just not reflective of them.
17:08Even if you want to conclude to your point that Tootin might be a little better in some ways than Rodriguez, it's
17:14just the price gap is not going to account for the difference.
17:18Right. And that, you know, you're asking like what can change my opinion?
17:22It would need to be just like a unbelievable, and I can't think of a better word than a drumbeat, but it
17:28would just have to be like everybody in Jacksonville screaming that Bashaw Tootin is the guy and him like not coming off
17:35the field with the ones and all that sort of stuff.
17:38But I don't anticipate that to happen because that sort of stuff in these ambiguous situations only happens maybe once to one team every handful of years.
17:46Yeah. How about do you ever believe goal line nonsense?
17:49I'll just preface by saying I kind of don't.
17:52No, I really don't either. Yeah. No. Yeah. And I think like if you had to bet, yeah, it's probably Chris Rodriguez,
17:58the guy who breaks tackles and does all that sort of stuff.
18:02So I think that we're going to see everybody kind of speculating.
18:05LaQuint Allen is going to get the pass down work, and Chris Rodriguez is going to get the goal line work.
18:12But I'm just going to bet on the talent.
18:14Again, I've said that three times now, but that's really what it comes down to.
18:19I think Chris Rodriguez is a darn good player, and if you look at some of the advanced analytics as well, it shows up on film.
18:26It shows up in the advanced analytics. This guy was top five in broken tackle rate, in success rate, and in –
18:33there was one other one that I'm forgetting. But, I mean, this guy like had a great analytical profile last year, and
18:39he looked good on film, and he's got that connection from college with Liam Cohen.
18:44So I'm buying into Chris Rodriguez being a lot more involved than people expect, unless the beat tells me I'm wrong, and
18:50Tootin does run away with the job. Right. Yeah, I'll just – I obviously don't believe in those analytics and say that
18:57broken tackles are often because you're slow as molasses and strong.
19:00So, but, you know, the film is good. Film is good.
19:04And when everybody wanted JCM to be the main guy for the commanders, a coaching staff that was swimming and trying to
19:10rescue its own life definitely changed over to Rodriguez in the second half of last year.
19:15Which I don't understand how, because JCM, his speed score was so good coming out of the combine.
19:20So let's talk about those receivers in Jacksonville, and, you know, if we don't think we're going to get a lot of
19:27clarity out of the Jags when it comes to the backfield.
19:30Oh, boy. Like, this is probably a three-receiver set type offense, and, you know, like there were multiple iterations of that receiving
19:36crew over the course of last year. One pre-Brian Thomas injury, but probably even before that, like those first couple of games
19:43where they were trying to make Brian Thomas into, you know, an all-field weapon.
19:47And Nico Collins, like, he could play anywhere. And at some point they were like, oh, my God, no, he can't.
19:53He's terrified to go over the middle. He doesn't, you know, we need to ride him on the rail, on the sideline.
20:00But maybe all that was then exacerbated by injury.
20:03And all that is basically to say, Brian Thomas is probably the key guy to monitor news on if you're going to monitor anybody.
20:10But I'm hard-pressed to come up with, like, a lot of concrete things that I would 100% believe.
20:15You know what I'm going to be keeping an eye on when it comes to these wide receivers?
20:20And bear with me for a second here. I want to see how much Travis Hunter is practicing with the offense because
20:27I think that really changes the complexity of all this.
20:30I think if Travis Hunter, you know, we're getting some reports.
20:33We haven't gotten a lot from the beat, but we've gotten a lot of national reporters speculating that he's going to be primarily on defense this year.
20:41And if you look, you know, they didn't draft a cornerback, and that was a position of need for them.
20:47So I think that we probably do see that happen.
20:50But if in training camp we see him splitting time and we see him more with the offense than we expect right
20:57now, then I think that really mucks things up for this wide receiver room because we can work with a three-person wide receiver room.
21:04Like, we kind of know who's going to be on two wide receiver sets.
21:08We know who the slot receiver is going to be.
21:11But if Travis Hunter is that X factor who's playing 50%, 60% of the snaps, then it really throws things for a loop.
21:18So I think that's what I'm going to be paying most attention to.
21:22And if Travis Hunter is involved more than we expect with the offense, then I think everybody can just come up short of their ADP.
21:29So, you know, I think that's probably what I'm going to be paying closest attention to.
21:34Like, watching all of the Jaguars' practices, reading beat reports, how often is Travis Hunter out there with the wide receivers?
21:40All right. So assuming not much, which you're right, that's the assumption now, but definitely could change.
21:45In my master list of players to be checking in on, I just wrote down Travis Hunter because that was your first instinct.
21:52If we do get the more expected thing, which is, you know, all the indication seems to be at this point that he's going to be more corner.
22:00At that point, even though, again, like, I kind of have a good feeling that Parker Washington, kind of a little baller,
22:07and we all know Jacoby Myers, kind of a baller.
22:10Brian Thomas couldn't possibly have come across less of a baller if he had, I don't know what, if he had, you
22:16know, if he had forgotten his uniform. I don't know what.
22:19He did not play like a baller last year, but you can't really prove that you are in August.
22:25Right. And, you know, we're already getting that Brian Thomas, he's healthy.
22:29He's in the best shape of his life. He's ready for a bigger role.
22:33And, of course, like, they're incentivized to say that.
22:35He's a first-round pick who flashed as a rookie, and they want to get him back on track.
22:41They want to, you know, help build up his ego, whatever, to help him play a little bit better.
22:46But when I look at this, and maybe I'm naive in thinking this, but to me it seems like these receivers kind of have their role.
22:54Like Myers and Brian Thomas Jr. were both out wide on over 70% of their snaps last year.
23:00Parker Washington was kind of glued to the slot, and we know that that slot receiver in a Liam Cohen offense can be very productive.
23:07So I don't know, like, unless they say that, like, Brian Thomas Jr.
23:11is transferring to a slot receiver, but, like, I don't think that's going to happen.
23:15You see three very different skill sets here. I think, for me, it really just comes down to Travis Hunter, because if
23:22Travis Hunter is playing primarily on defense, I think that I have a pretty good expectation of what to expect from these three receivers.
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24:35And we're going to talk about some more play, more teams.
24:38You know how I love the Brian Thomas Jr.
24:40Let's talk Texans. You know, I think, I'll put it this way.
24:44When it comes to the Texans receiver room, which is very interesting, especially because I came out of the film review pretty positive on Jaden Higgins.
24:52He didn't get to do a ton, but maybe a little more as the season went along.
24:57I would love to be more excited about him.
24:59But boy, CJ Stroud and the offensive line were rough.
25:02And so it goes, you know, how many receivers beyond Nico Collins are they really going to support?
25:08I'm trying to imagine Texans storylines that could get clever wags, you know, saying, I need to react.
25:13I need to react. And all I could really come up with was, what if Tank Dell, you know, I've been told
25:20that Tank Dell is very much the alpha in that room.
25:23They all consider him the leader of that room.
25:26And therefore, the beat reporters will all be very favorably inclined toward him.
25:29So any sign of progress could get sort of, you know, exaggerated or whatever.
25:34I don't think that winds up with Tank Dell being that much momentum to get drafted, but it could suppress everybody else.
25:40Would that move the needle for you at all?
25:43I mean, frankly, if the answer is no news about Texans receivers is really going to do anything to my ranks, then that's fine too.
25:50Well, I don't think it's so much news as it's going to be what my eyes tell me when I see Tank
25:57Dell out there in practice and in the preseason.
25:59Because right now, like, I'm not factoring Tank Dell in.
26:02Like, that was a brutal knee injury. And he still wasn't 100% at OTAs.
26:07Like, he was still kind of watching from the sidelines and doing some workouts here.
26:11So I think the only thing that would really change my expectation right now on this wide receiver room where I expect
26:18it to be, Nico Collins being the guy. And Jaden Higgins, I'm with you.
26:22I think that he looked good in the limited opportunities last year.
26:25If Tank Dell shows up and we see him in preseason and we say, wow, that looks just like Tank Dell before
26:32he got hurt, then I'm going to have to change my expectations a little bit.
26:36But as it stands right now, I think that it's going to be Nico Collins and Jaden Higgins.
26:42And I'm trying not to factor Tank Dell in until he gives me reason to.
26:46Sure. I mean, that's what everybody's doing. I understand.
26:49And I'm saying, is it possible that positive news on Dell, I don't think anybody really suspects that that would get him
26:55drafted in fantasy leagues, that Dell himself. But could it change people's opinions on Higgins to our benefit?
27:01You know, I don't think it would change values of the other receivers too much because I think people are always going to have their doubts on Dell.
27:09So he might kind of creep up into like one of those like late round flyers.
27:14I'm not talking about Dell. I'm not talking about Dell.
27:17I'm talking about could he make Higgins go lower?
27:19And I don't think so. I really don't. I think that Higgins is going to kind of stay where he's at in
27:26drafts because this is also a team too. Like they play out of 11 personnel a lot.
27:31Like we saw last year, a lot of three wide receiver sets.
27:34So I think even if Tank Dell does come back and he's healthy, you know, that's good for him.
27:40But I don't think that it comes at the expense of the other wide receivers just because there's so many wide receiver sets.
27:47We got lots to talk about. If the answer is no, the answer is no.
27:51And that's good. I, you know, I think your instinct is to want to tell people what's going to happen four months from now.
27:58We, and my point is that we don't know what's going to happen four months from now.
28:03So if the listener hears from us that the Texans receivers are really not worth paying attention to, don't get hoodwinked by anything.
28:10Just draft as you would normally draft them. I think that's useful advice and we don't need to go any further.
28:17I wonder if you feel the same way about the backfield.
28:20Um, like, is it possible that Woody Marks turns into enough of an impediment on David Montgomery that everybody gets annoyed?
28:26Absolutely. Definitely possible. Are the Texans going to tell us that?
28:29What do you think? No, I don't think they will.
28:32And I think that there might be some beat reporters out there that are trying to push Woody Marks up draft boards for whatever reason.
28:40Maybe they like, no, I am just 100% in on David Montgomery being the three down back here, just like they wanted Nick Chubb to be last year.
28:48And just like they wanted Joe Mixon to be before his wheels fell off.
28:52So I don't think Woody Marks is that good of a running back.
28:56There's nobody in the Texans beat that can convince me otherwise.
28:59I mean, that's a take. Um, I don't know if I agree with the take, but I agree.
29:05I agree that the main thing that we want people to take out of this conversation, that the backfield will, the key
29:11to the backfield will probably not be unlocked by people watching an exhibition game or, you know, watching two days when they're not hitting each other or whatever.
29:19I agree. There's not that much to pay attention to.
29:22Maybe I think Marks is a little better than you.
29:25And maybe I think Marks could play on some third downs.
29:29And I'm sure that's reflected in our respective ranks.
29:31Um, but neither one of us can prove that we're right or we're wrong until we get to week one.
29:37Um, the larger point being agreed. I just, how, how, what incentive does anybody in Houston have to tell us the truth about how they're going to deploy?
29:46But I think there is incentive, I think for fantasy drafters to hold on to any hope.
29:51I mean, we already saw this. Aaron Wilson just wrote an article and there was one sentence at the end of that
29:57article saying Woody Marks could be involved as a pass catcher.
30:00And I saw that making the rounds on Twitter and blue sky and everywhere.
30:05So I think any bit of positive news about Woody Marks, people are going to hold on to, and it's going to push him up draft boards.
30:13But I am just of the belief that David Montgomery is just far and away the better running back here.
30:19Okay. Again, I don't agree necessarily. I agree. Montgomery's probably better, but not at some things.
30:23Woody Marks is clearly better at some things between the tackles.
30:27David Montgomery, definitely better. Um, I'm not saying I'm right and you're wrong or anything like that, but I think your, your
30:33point is still good, which is if the listener is.
30:36Is prepared to look at whatever Montgomery's ADP winds up being in mid August and feel like, Ooh, that's a good bargain.
30:43Then don't get fooled by what you're talking about when somebody just likes make some offhanded comment about Woody Marks and he suddenly gets some helium.
30:50Like, don't, don't lose your, don't, don't, you know, hold your water on David Montgomery and don't like, don't give up on
30:57the cause because that gets, that starts making the rounds.
31:00Okay. Okay. Uh, Colts. Uh, I, you know, I guess Daniel Jones, we're going to be paying attention to for sure.
31:06I mean, his, his health basically feels like it would be the main, well, I can ask it as a question.
31:12Does Daniel Jones being available to play at something like the level of last year, hold the key to any skill weapon
31:19in Indianapolis you might be interested in? Or can you see your way through to feeling the same way about them if
31:25it's a Riley Leonard, Anthony Richardson type situation? Oh, I think this entire offense is kind of dependent on Daniel Jones being healthy.
31:32We saw it was just like one of the best offenses in the league last year.
31:37And then one of the worst offenses in the league without him.
31:40So yeah, I mean, I think looking at everybody, like even as much as I hate to say it, Jonathan Taylor is
31:47awesome, but Jonathan Taylor was an RB three without Daniel Jones last year.
31:51And he was the top scoring running back with him.
31:54So I would be paying very, very close attention to this.
31:57Early reports was that he should be ready for the start of training camp.
32:01And that's what I'm going to be watching. But like if training camp opens up and they say, Hey, you know, he's not quite there yet.
32:09We're hoping he can get there soon. I am going to be hitting the panic button on this entire Colts offense.
32:15I don't know. I guess it depends on maybe it's the panic slider for me.
32:20You know, it's not, it's not a, it's not a binary button, but it's like you start scooching it northward.
32:26I agree. I, I, yeah, I mean, I've seen enough Anthony Richardson in my life.
32:30I don't need to watch that anymore. And I think rather than it is probably a backup, but maybe that's wrong, but
32:37we're not going to know that either way until September.
32:40So let's talk. This is a, this is a much mushier conversation, but like, all right, here I am doing my draft prep for my league.
32:47And I would love to love Alec Pierce, although he himself coming off an injury.
32:52And I would love to think Josh Downs might be a sneaky, whatever, you know, high catch guy.
32:57And I'd love to say Jonathan Taylor's a early first round pick, but I'm scared.
33:02Like, how can I, how can you and I give tangible advice to what that's, what's got, what that's going to be like?
33:08Like as of, if they haven't said, if he isn't practicing as of August 10th, you're okay.
33:13But on August 21st at noon, it's bad. Like, obviously it's not that scientific, but is it like, it's one of those things.
33:20It's like pornography. You know, when you see it, it's, it's, it's hard to give specific advice, but, but it is going to be something that we're watching.
33:29Like here I am, I'm reading Colts beat reports every day.
33:32What's the point at which it gets dire? And I think it really comes down to what you're drafting.
33:37Like if you're drafting a fantasy football team early in training camp and Daniel Jones isn't out there and you just want
33:44to say, I'm going to pass up on all the Colts.
33:47I think that's okay. Like if you want to say, I need to see with my eyes, I need to see Daniel
33:54Jones out there, healthy in pads running. I think that's totally okay to wait until that moment.
33:59And if that is the first day of training camp, awesome.
34:02Move all the Colts up the board, draft the Colts with confidence.
34:06And if you're waiting until labor day, hopefully like we have good answers by then.
34:10But if you're drafting in the middle of training camp and they're saying, oh, Daniel Jones, he'll be back next week.
34:16I think that you're okay. Just kind of waiting until you see it.
34:20That's probably right. That's probably right. Like there is a very binary factor there of, okay, if you can't even get him
34:27on the practice field at all, I have to scooch everybody down until you can get him back on the practice field.
34:33I hadn't really thought of it in those terms until you said that, but that's right.
34:38I think that's right. So like, I'm probably not going to have two draft lists available at harrisfootball.com.
34:43One in which Daniel Jones has been on the practice field and one where it's not.
34:48Like so far, my ranks are assuming that eventually he'll be on the practice field.
34:53But you're right. If you're drafting before that point and you don't know for sure that that point is coming forward.
34:59Now that you say it that way, I absolutely agree.
35:02You have to ditch them all significantly lower. How about like a medium ground when, okay, we get the point where he is out there.
35:09I think it goes without saying he's probably not going to play any exhibition games.
35:14He's, he's, he's, he's doing, you know, drills and stuff, but they just don't hit.
35:18He's not going to have to face a pass rush.
35:21Is there a, is there a kind of a litmus test, assuming no exhibition games that like August 20th probably is about
35:28when they break camp and they're all kind of, they're all yapping all that they're saying, Hey, is Daniel playing week one?
35:34Well, we'll see. We'll see. We'll see. Is there a point where you go, okay, I can flip over to Harris's other
35:41ranks where the Colts are all in their normal spots.
35:44Yeah, absolutely. Because I would look at that as a setback because right now at OTAs, he was going through seven on
35:50sevens and right now everybody in Indianapolis is saying that he's going to be ready for the start of training camp.
35:56So anytime there's a complication or a setback in an injury, that is a major red flag for me.
36:02So that's why like I need to see it.
36:05I mean, I asked that in a very convoluted way.
36:08I was kind of talking about the inverse where he does get back and he's doing seven on seven stuff.
36:14Cause you're right. He already was doing seven on seven stuff, but he's not going to play in the exhibition games.
36:20He's not like, even if he's fried, he's probably not because the exhibition games are absolutely useless and it's just an opportunity to get hurt.
36:27I don't think they're going to subject him to hits.
36:30If, if he plays an exhibition game, all, you know, that's great.
36:34That's your, I assume you're not telling me that until he plays an exhibition game, you can't draft Jonathan Taylor ever.
36:40Right. But if there's any sort of, like you said, if they say like, we're hopeful that he's going to have, like
36:47if they're saying, Hey, he's not playing in the preseason, but he will be ready week one.
36:52That's a lot different than we hope he'll be ready for week one.
36:55All right. Yeah. I guess that's right. And I guess what the heck else can they say?
37:01At some point you do have to start believing them.
37:03Could you then still get the, you know, September 3rd blurb?
37:07Turns out the Colts were lying and Daniel Jones will play in October.
37:11Yeah, but you're right. I think I'm with you that if earlier in the month lip service to like, no problem, he'll be ready week one.
37:18I probably don't care what they say, but training camp breaks and now they're just practicing at the team facility and they're like still insistent.
37:26Jonathan Taylor is whatever, whatever you had him before the RB four or five, three, whatever it was, he probably has to be right.
37:33Right. Absolutely. And even that, like, you know, we're expecting Daniel Jones to come point, come back at some point.
37:39So like, even if, yeah, we talked about the splits where he was like a borderline RB three last year without Daniel Jones.
37:46I'm never moving him that far down. My ranking is like at worst, if we get some bad news about a setback
37:52for Daniel Jones, I'm probably moving Jonathan Taylor into the middle of the second round.
37:57Like I'm not letting him fall any lower than that.
38:00All right. I mean, that's good to hear. I haven't thought about it.
38:03I don't, that, those alternate Colts ranks that I'm supposed to do based on this conversation.
38:08I haven't thought about what I would do with him.
38:11Yeah. That's, you know, cool. Now you're Devon H and, you know what I mean?
38:16Like now you're on, now you're on an awful team, but you get all the carries and you know, that, that, that is its own challenge.
38:23No question. And it's not great, but yeah, I can't see.
38:27I can't see. You're, you're not RB 30, you know, you're, you're, you're RB 13 or whatever, you know, 11, 12.
38:33Yeah. Maybe something like that. Well, I mean, just to square the circle, then the receivers fates are much more tied to the quarterback.
38:40What happens to wherever you have, you know, I get, it's a dumb way to say it, but like how many rounds does Alec Pierce drop?
38:48If we get this bad news about Daniel Jones, how many rounds does Josh Downs drop?
38:52I don't want you to have to qualify exactly how many, but like, you know, are they taken out of the realm of the fantasy starter?
39:00I would say that if we get a Daniel Jones setback and they say, Hey, he's not going to be ready for week one.
39:07We hope he can return at some point this season.
39:10My, you know, internal alarms are going off. I am just a okay saying that I will let one of my 11 league mates touch Alec Pierce.
39:18Like I'm just not going to draft him at all.
39:21I'm not going to draft Josh Downs at all.
39:24You know, if they say that it's a week or two and he's coming back, like it, it really comes down to
39:30the vibes and it's really hard to quantify the vibes.
39:33But like, if we see a setback, then that does make me panic.
39:37But if he just keeps trending in the right direction and it looks like he's ready for week one, I'll keep drafting these guys.
39:44But if there's any sort of concern that like, and I think the only way that he'd miss the full season would
39:51be if he like re-ruptures his Achilles, which I mean, then we're having a completely different conversation.
39:56But if we're looking at like multiple setbacks or, you know, the complications, he can't get up to a hundred percent.
40:02He's not running the way that we had hoped to.
40:05Then I'm probably just out on this passing attack.
40:08I don't want Alec Pierce. I don't want Tyler Warren.
40:11And I probably don't want Josh Downs either, even if he's the cheapest of the bunch.
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41:17We are back with Dave, and we have one more team in the AFC South to talk about.
41:22And actually, right before the break, you said it best, which is what, in my saying a million words to try to
41:29describe what I'm talking about, a lot of times it kind of is vibes.
41:33That kind of, it's really hard to sit here in early, second week of July, and be like, you know, tell me exactly what you need to hear.
41:41Like, a lot of it does come down. In all these training camps, a lot of it, and vibes are very subjective
41:48things, and the vibes that you receive from certain news might be different from the vibes that I receive.
41:53But it is, you were right, David. It does kind of come down to vibes.
41:58Yeah, and that's tough because you can't quantify it whatsoever.
42:01But it's, I think what you said, like, you know what, when you see it, it's kind of the same thing with vibes.
42:07Like, you start getting this icky feeling where, you know, a guy doesn't look like he's 100%, and all the beat is,
42:14eh, we're hoping for the best, and the coaches are saying, hopefully he'll be back at some time.
42:19It's that, when you start hearing coaches and the beat talking about hope, that's not what I want to hear.
42:25What we want to hear is, like, black and white, this is when this player is going to be back.
42:31Right. And not only, like, absence of a negative is always harder to evaluate than an obvious negative.
42:37Like, guys who pearl hamstrings and are still not on the field, like, those, we know how to deal with those.
42:43You know, it's this, it's that middle ground that's hard.
42:46Let's talk about the Titans, an up-and-coming franchise, I'm going to be charitable and say.
42:50They feel like they have their quarterback of the future, maybe they do, and they took their receiver of the future high on draft day this past year.
42:59They have so many people at wide receiver, though.
43:01I would love, you know, Matt Waldman, your colleague, my friend, your friend, loves Carnell Tate, comped him to Justin Jefferson.
43:07I'm so interested. I want to be on Carnell Tate, and I'm sure the market does, too, and will, and probably good
43:14news about him in training camp will only make his ADP get higher.
43:18But because everybody decides what teams are definitely good and what teams are definitely bad, there probably is a limit to how high Carnell Tate can go.
43:26And I think if he has just a neutral training camp in which the stories are just about how, yes, he's a
43:32starter and you don't need to worry about that, I might be okay with the idea of reaching for him.
43:38Because I don't think that price is ever going to get so bad that if he flops, it ruins your season.
43:45Right. And I think that now, too, you know, when you look at ADP this year, I think that because the last
43:51couple of rookie classes have been a little bit disappointing, that you probably could get a better discount on a player like
43:58Carnell Tate than you could have after Jamar Chase and after Justin Jefferson.
44:01And I don't want to go off on that whole tangent, but I think this could be one of the years where
44:08we go back to drafting rookies again because you aren't drafting them at the end of the first round like we had to with Marvin Harrison Jr.
44:16Like we should be able to get a deal here.
44:19So I've actually kind of drawn a line in my rankings with Carnell Tate saying that I will draft him until he gets into round four.
44:27Like I will chase that helium up the board a little bit because I think he's a good player.
44:32I think he's a talented player, but I want to draw a line for myself and say, okay, once he gets into round four, then I'm done.
44:40And I think that he'll probably stay outside of that, but I don't think that there's anything that they can see.
44:47And I want to say I like the Titans beat a lot.
44:50I think that they have some really good reporters who do some really good work, but I don't care.
44:56There's no amount of raving. They could say that this guy looks like the next Randy Moss out there.
45:01There's nothing I can do that will get me to draft him inside of round four.
45:06Yeah, I've done blended ranks for the Almanac. They're not on the website yet, but they'll be up by the end of
45:13the month because then the Almanac will be up out and everything like that.
45:17And that's I have in a standard league. I have Tate 60 overall in a full PPR.
45:22I have 57 overall. We're talking the same language.
45:25We're basically saying fifth round. I'm just not going to get mad at somebody taking a shot there because this is not
45:31the equivalent of spending the 15 overall pick on Marvin Harrison.
45:34You know, just you can't hurt yourself. We blow fifth round picks all the time.
45:39I like, you know, I fart about my, you know, I, we screw up probably more fifth round picks than we get
45:45because it's just hard at that point. There aren't any guarantees.
45:49So if you screw up on Tate, you're not that mad.
45:52And of course, a player like it becomes a bummer because it sounds like you want to be pretty hopeful on him too.
45:59And I would like to be hopeful on him.
46:01And unfortunately, we go into training camp. And the only thing we can do is take bad news and lower him and
46:08not take good news and raise him. It just feels like you're being such a downer.
46:13And yet history just tells us, right, that that has to be the way that we play it.
46:18Yeah. And I think the problem, like the ceiling for Carnell Tate is immense.
46:22You know, we're looking at a guy who's drafted fourth overall and he's got the production profile and the athleticism, like all of the things that we want.
46:30But I think that you kind of nailed it when you said like you almost want no good news because then all
46:37that's going to do is inflate his cost to above where it should be.
46:41And the problem is with these young rookies that have the draft capital, like the team is incentivized to hype these guys up.
46:48Like every time Carnell Tate makes a contested catch, you're going to see it on Twitter because the Titans Twitter account is
46:55going to share that video clip and the beat is going to get super excited about it.
47:00So I think the best case scenario, as wild as it sounds, is that he kind of has a quiet camp and
47:06that you can get him at a discounted cost.
47:09Yeah. Quiet camp would be good. And probably even where we're talking about is not so much a discount.
47:14It's just rational, you know, and you're hoping to stem the irrationality.
47:18You're trying to get away from it. And that's why I started by talking about Jamar Chase and Justin Jefferson.
47:24And I said, I don't want to go off on that tangent, but I think that we have over the last couple
47:30of years gotten way over our skis with these rookies because yeah, when you drafted Justin Jefferson in round six and he had the rookie season.
47:38He did. He won you your league. And when you got Jamar Chase in round six, he won you your league.
47:44But then everybody started saying, okay, well, Malik neighbors and Roma Dunzey and Marvin Harrison Jr.
47:49We have to draft these guys in round two because look at what they can do.
47:54So I think now what were we expecting to kind of fall into round five, round six, hopefully I think that's just
48:00the market regulating back to where it always should have been.
48:04We just kind of got rookie drunk over the last few years.
48:07Fully agree. And obviously the lead running back has been a much worse example of that where they're taking having to take
48:14him like with a six pick or something. And obviously we've all dined out on that horrible trend.
48:19And yeah, like last year, the receivers went high in the NFL draft, but didn't go high in fantasy.
48:25Ted McMillan was a very reasonable pick. And, you know, so was Matthew Golden.
48:29And the Packers were very glowing. I remember the GM talking about Matthew Golden.
48:33He's never had a bad day. Every stacking days, every day he does something new that's amazing.
48:38You couldn't have. Based on their clips in August last year between Ted Earl McMillan and Matthew Golden, there's no way you
48:45could have ever guessed which one was going to be awesome for fantasy and which one was going to suck because they both got nothing but puff pieces.
48:53And that's why I wish I had done the NFC North with you last year, Chris, because I did not think Matthew Golden was a good receiver.
49:01I thought that they reached for him in the draft.
49:04I didn't think he was a good player, but it just got to be so much.
49:09Like you said, the GM, the coaches, everybody was talking about how amazing he looked.
49:13That I begrudgingly moved him up my rankings and drafted him in a handful of leagues.
49:18And I wish I had just stuck to my pre-training camp idea that he wasn't that good.
49:23Yeah, I mean, he was the wide receiver 40 last year.
49:26So, again, even though you're beating yourself up because it would have been like a quote-unquote good call, nobody lost their fantasy
49:33league because they took Matthew Golden in the whatever that is, the eighth round, ninth round.
49:38You know, it's like, yeah, it was the opportunity cost of not getting, I don't know, a Mecca Buka.
49:43You know, would have been better, at least for a couple months there to have a Mecca Buka, no question.
49:49But like two receivers after Matthew Golden was Cooper Cup.
49:52You know, so my point would be don't beat yourself up too much about that one because, you know, to your larger
49:59point, which is that the receiver market for rookies has just gotten a lot more rational.
50:03And people aren't out there chasing like too big to fail type picks with rookie receivers anymore, which is why if someone,
50:10I mean, we talked about Jordan Tyson with Jim on Tuesday.
50:13And I'm like, yeah, I'm scared to death. I don't know anything about the kid.
50:18I don't watch college football. All I know is he's been hurt his entire career.
50:22But at the same, by the same token, as long as everything is like fine and he doesn't get hurt, I'm not
50:29going to get mad at somebody about, mad at somebody for saying, you know what?
50:33Instead of taking Jacoby Myers, I'm going to take Jordan Tyson.
50:36Like it could work out fine and you're not going to ruin your draft.
50:40Right. It's when you get into the should I take AJ Brown or Jordan Tyson that we've lost the plot.
50:46Right. All right. So then the last part I want to ask you about is the Titans backfield.
50:52And when we've done whoever, I don't remember who, but whoever's done this division with me in July for each of the
50:58past few years, we've been trying to give away Tony Pollard's job like crazy.
51:02And I guess all I really know is that the old coaching administration, we're not interested in that.
51:08You know, I think Ty J Spears looks like a fun little player on film.
51:12I appear to be the only one. Brian Callahan did not agree with that assessment, but it is a new group of
51:19coaches and they also drafted Nicholas Singleton. And so like I think Tony Pollard is, you know, cromulent, they would say.
51:25I think he's a good starting fine, starting quality type player.
51:28It's very funny to me that there were people talking about him as a first round pick that last year in Dallas
51:35because he is not that good, but he's he's obviously affordable.
51:38Is there anything that you could hear, see, you know, can August change the way you're currently perceiving those guys?
51:44Absolutely. And it's not so much anything that we're going to hear about Tony Pollard or Ty J Spears, but it's Nick
51:50Singleton's health because I think Nick Singleton is a very, very good running back, but he suffered a broken foot in the spring.
51:57So I think that that can really change how we expect this backfield to look, because if it is anything without Nick
52:04Singleton, like if he's still struggling to get back, he misses training camp.
52:08I mean, I'm kind of at the point of a rookie can't perform in training camp.
52:12I don't even factor them into the regular season.
52:15It is so hard for a rookie to miss training camp and then hop on a moving train in the middle of
52:22the season and find a path to production. So if Nick Singleton is a non-factor in training camp, then I think we
52:28just look at this backfield the same weight that we have for the last couple of years.
52:33Tony Pollard gets his work. Ty J Spears gets some change of pace work.
52:37He can be the handcuff if Tony Pollard has to miss any time.
52:41But if we get reports that Nick Singleton healed faster than expected and his foot is healthy and he's ready to go,
52:48then we're looking at a three-headed committee and that's a lot harder to get a read on.
52:53So that's really what I'm going to be paying attention to is Nick Singleton.
52:57If he's healthy to start training camp, then I'm moving Tony Pollard down and I'm moving Ty J Spears down.
53:03And I don't even know if I want to draft Nick Singleton, but just knowing that there is a young, healthy back
53:09in this backfield, it just kind of works the whole thing up enough that I'd be willing to avoid it entirely.
53:16Okay. That was going to be my question. It's less about, oh boy, I'm super excited.
53:20The Singleton kid is definitely going to take over the backfield.
53:24It's more about, I just don't want the apple to be carved that many ways.
53:28And I just kind of want to, instead of relying on Tony Pollard to be my flex, I'm going to go get
53:35some receiver or whoever, you know, I'm going to not worry so much about it.
53:39Any possible, let's, well, let me ask you first about, I'll ask you a little another Singleton question and then I'll ask you a Spears question.
53:47Again, please understand that this is not me questioning your beliefs on Nicholas Singleton because I've never heard of the man until three months ago.
53:54So I do not, I do, all I know is what I've read and what Matt has told me.
54:00And it's that, you know, he was supposed to be the next guy at Penn State.
54:05He was Saquon. He had a good rookie year, freshman year.
54:08And, and then Katron Allen, like basically took that job away from him.
54:12And there, there began to grow. And obviously Singleton went from being like a first half of the first round type prospect
54:18to much, much later where he wound up going.
54:21There began to become a suspicion that he's a better athlete than he has a running back.
54:26Do you, do you share that? This is not about training camp.
54:30Just sort of, I'm interested in your, what you know about him.
54:33I'm not calling you like the savant when it comes to college players, but just like interested in your, your perspective on him.
54:40Well, I did 58 rookie running back scouting reports.
54:43That's what I do. You know, we seek and destroy with all of the incoming rookie class.
54:48And I do cover the running backs here for our rookie guide.
54:51So I did prefer Katron Allen to Nick Singleton because of what happened last year.
54:56You know, Drew Aller got hurt and then they started loading the box.
55:00Katron Allen saw more work and he was better with that work, more efficient than he had ever been before.
55:06And I think Nick Singleton, you know, the, the kind of word out of Penn State was that it was a mental thing.
55:12That like, once Drew Aller went down, he just kind of said, Hey, you know, my career's over at this point.
55:19I'm getting ready for the NFL. And he just kind of checked out mentally is kind of what they're saying at Penn State.
55:25So he is a very, very good athlete. He was a five-star recruit coming out of high school.
55:31So I think the ceiling is there, but that is absolutely him kind of thrown in the towel last season is what
55:37caused him to fall down to day three. And that said, but still, it probably depends on, it's another vibes thing.
55:44Probably. I'm going to start saying that more because you're 100% right.
55:47I, I beat around the bush and I talk and I talk and I talk.
55:52And in the end, what I'm trying to say is about, it's a vibes thing.
55:56Thank you for, thank you for that. It does become Singleton in Titans camp becomes something of he's, he needs to be healthy.
56:03And then it just needs to be kind of a vibey, like, oh, this kid's mixing in a lot, you know, the
56:09second week of this, it, it, it kind of does start to have to make you look cross-eyed a little bit at, at Tony Pollard.
56:17That's interesting. And the last thing I, oh, sorry.
56:19Go ahead. And I think the reason that like, if he is heavily involved in training camp, I think, and we're getting way ahead of ourselves here.
56:27Like we're making a lot of assumptions to get to this point, but it is a new regime and Tony Pollard and
56:34Tajay Spears are both on expiring contracts. So I think that if Singleton's healthy, they might want to get a look and
56:41see what he can do with a bigger role late in the year, which if that does happen, you know, that's the
56:47worst possible scenario for Tony Pollard and Tajay Spears rafters.
56:50Right. Actually, along those same lines, I was going to wrap up with a Spears question, which is that Tajay Spears is small.
56:57And that, and he has been, he has very much been pigeonholed into what we think of the traditionally as the very
57:03fast, very quick, but pretty small running back. Sorry, man.
57:06You're a satellite back. You're playing on third downs.
57:09You're Kenny Gainwell. That's just what you're always going to be.
57:12And there's this, there's been this new generation, generation being like three years of smaller running backs who people are starting to
57:19go, you know, actually Devon HN can handle it.
57:21Actually, maybe Bucky Irving can handle it. But actually we have dreams that, you know, insert small running back, Keaton Mitchell can, can, can handle it.
57:29I've always thought, you know, Spears had a moment with Derek Henry where it was like, oh, could like, if Henry goes
57:36away, could, could Spears maybe be your feature guy?
57:38Would you be at all, this is a long question for me to get to a simple question, all receptive to the
57:45idea that Brian Dables knew there and everyone starts with a clean slate.
57:49And maybe if there's some, some hype around Spears that could get interesting.
57:53Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I, I am with you that.
57:56I think Taljay Spears is a very, very talented player.
57:59Like he's just got that jitterbug movement style. Like he is just fun to watch when he's got the ball in his hand blazing quick.
58:06The issue is, and I'm sure you know this, Chris, but he's got no ACLs.
58:10Like he tours ACLs multiple times in college. And that's why he fell in the NFL draft.
58:16He has a lengthy collegiate knee injury history. So I, I think that they like purposely kind of limit his role because of that knee injury history.
58:24Now in the last year of the deal, they probably don't care.
58:27And it's a new coaching staff. They probably don't care.
58:30Like they aren't thinking about what Taljay Spears is going to be doing for him three, four years from now.
58:36So we could see some extended work. So, um, Tony Pollard, you know, he's the, the KG veteran that, uh, has held
58:43onto this job for the last couple of years.
58:45But I think every time there's a new coaching staff, you do kind of have to step back and wonder how that
58:52depth chart is going to get shuffled around. And if we're getting a lot of, Hey, you know, Taljay Spears, Brian Dable
58:58wants to trust him with a big workload. He's healthy right now.
59:02He prefers him to Tony Pollard. He's getting reps with the ones.
59:05I don't think it's all that crazy to think that a new coaching staff could look at the two and say, Taljay
59:12Spears is the better back between these guys. Yeah.
59:15Well, it's, I would be interested. Probably I'm just, I would be a sucker for that kind of news.
59:20That vibes shift. I am the audience for that vibe shift.
59:24I'll be, I'll be camped out on Titans beat reporters webpages waiting for people to say that.
59:29Cause again, though, I think that implies that I'm somehow, I hate Tony Pollard.
59:33I've always just been, I don't know if you can identify with this.
59:37I've always been kind of just right in the middle on Tony Pollard when everybody hated him.
59:42I was like, yeah, I'll draft him in the seventh round.
59:45If you're gonna let him fall there. And then when everybody loved him, I'm like, yeah, no, I'm not taking him in third round.
59:52What are you doing? So like, I don't, it's not like I'm saying he's bad.
59:56And I don't think, I think, I think when I said cagey veteran, that's exactly how I feel about him.
60:02Like, I think that that's what he is. Like, you know, he is a serviceable NFL running back, but I really think
60:09so much of the limited workload that we've seen from Taljay Spears is just due to the history because we did see
60:15in year two for a short period of time, like they, they bumped up his touches a little bit.
60:21Like he had a game where it looked like he was starting to run away.
60:26It was like week three or four. He saw near 20 touches and then he got hurt the next week.
60:31And then he came back and he got hurt again.
60:34He got hurt three times in that second year.
60:37So I think that a lot of that, you know, and that was all the same coaching staff, but I think that
60:44the multiple injuries that he sustained in year two after already having that injury red flag coming into the league, I think
60:50that just kind of scared off the coaching staff and they never wanted to give him more than six to eight touches
60:57a game because last time they did, he just kept getting hurt.
61:00Yeah. That's you want to turn into the saving private Ryan aging meme.
61:04Tony Pollard just turned 29. What? Yeah. How is that possible?
61:07He just came out of college like six months ago, didn't he?
61:11How quickly, like Jeff Bell and I talk about this all the time.
61:15It's kind of like an ongoing joke that we make on our show, but you know, like the, the fantasy drafters, the
61:21community industry, whatever you want to call it, like they get so blinded by youth and they're saying like, Ramadre Stevenson needs
61:28to take the job from Damian Harris. He's the young back.
61:31He's the good back. And then as soon as Ramadre Stevenson gets that job, then he's going to be on Henderson needs to take the job from Ramadre.
61:39He's this old dusty running back. And the same thing happened with Tony Pollard.
61:44He's the guy that was supposed to steal the job from Zeke Elliott.
61:47And then as soon as he does, then he goes to Tennessee, gets his big contract and everyone goes, Tajay Spears needs
61:54to take the job from that old dusty Tony Pollard.
61:57All right. Well, you're the best. I appreciate you doing this and, um, and now I'm going to try to be a
62:04little less loquacious when I come to describing what I'm trying to do and just talk about vibes more because you're a
62:10hundred percent right that a lot of the times what I'm talking about is vibes.
62:14In fact, uh, what a pleasure to get you on and, um, and your insights are of course amazing.
62:20You can find Dave all over social media, find him on Twitter, find him on blue sky, wherever you are.
62:26He is. And of course, look him up at football guys.com.
62:29He's on a lot of different shows for the football guys and producing a ton of great work.
62:35What a pleasure to have you, Dave. You know, I'll ask you back on in August.
62:39Thank you so much. And you know, I will accept that invitation when I get it.
62:44Always a pleasure, Chris. And thank you so much for listening.
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63:40That's going to do it for this Friday episode.
63:43You know, we'll be back on Tuesday. We're going to do another division.
63:47Which division have I decided yet? No, I have not.
63:49I'm not really planning more than one day of my life ahead at a time, except to say, of course, I have,
63:56uh, I have in fact lined up a guest.
63:59Do I remember who it is? I do remember.
64:01It is Jake Seeley. I had to think about it though.
64:05I had to think about it. I haven't told Jake even which division we're doing.
64:09But we're going to do more training camp preview stuff.
64:12I hope this is useful. I think it is.
64:15For me, it really is crystallizing like the stuff that you want to pay attention to and especially crystallizing the stuff you
64:21don't want to get carried away by. That's my goal for July so that when we get to August, we don't get
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