0:01Welcome to the Legendary Upside podcast and YouTube channel. My name is Pat Karan. You can follow my content at legendaryupsside.com.
0:08Today is the top guy Tuesday mailbag.
0:11I'll be diving into questions from the leg up Discord and from the chat and I'll be drafting a team by clicking the
0:19top recommendation on the sidekick every single time. Uh oh, 555 is nine of 12. Okay, thank you Dan. We'll take a
0:29look at that. I wasn't actually sure what I was going to jump into. So, why don't we start there?
0:38Uh, let me see. Got to do the location checks. We'll get going. I'll switch over. Uh, as I get that sorted, I'll
0:47answer Mr. Moose's question. Or not really even a question, but uh, thank you Patrick Pat/legup crew. Thank you so much for launching
0:56the kickstand for base leg level legup subs. It's like the Goldilocks level draft assistance for a BBM Maxi like me who does no other volume. Uh do I need
1:05to load leg up rankings updates into its custom rankings feature or is it default to always have the latest leg up ranks
1:10in there? Custom load if you just want to use other ranks. So uh I'm going to send out the official email tomorrow
1:16morning. But if you go to legendaryupside.com right at the top there's a section called kickstand. You just click that read about it. We just launched a uh
1:25essentially a sidekick light that uh is now part of the base legup subscription tier. So uh there are still two tiers.
1:35Once we launched the sidekick, there were two tiers to the site. The legup tier and the sidekick tier. There's still two tiers. The legup tier just got
1:42better. We now have a a tool called the kickstand that's included in that sub.
1:47Uh so if you're an existing sub, you now have that. Uh you get that by installing the Sidekick uh extension and then we'll
1:55just detect your membership level. It does not have dynamic rankings. That's still a Sidekick exclusive feature at LegUp, but does have the ability to
2:04upload custom ranks and then has the legup rankings built into it. So to answer the second part of that that question and comment, uh you do not need
2:13to upload legup rankings with the kickstands because those are already there. So you have ADP leg up and then if you once you upload a
2:23custom set you have custom rankings and you can toggle between those. So it's displaying uh you know kind of the ability to
2:30toggle between multiple sets of rankings and then the on the clock notification sound and then the player tags like have you draft for this player's quarterback,
2:39how many teammates do you have with this player, how many bringbacks, by-weeks, all that stuff. Uh and exposure as well.
2:45So, a lot of the the kind of the bells and whistles of the Sidekick, uh, all the kickstand features are also
2:51included in the Sidekick, but the dynamic rankings is really driving the value there for the Sidekick, shady sim driven math, etc. And so, we launched
3:00the kickstand to just have uh, you know, some of those features that are fun and helpful uh, at the leg up uh, base tier
3:10subscription. So, that is live if you want to check that out.
3:14Uh, we have that up and running. And like I said, you just have to install the Sidekick extension. If you're legup
3:22sub, uh, which is only 15 bucks a month, by the way, then you can get access to the kickstand.
3:28Uh, all right, Pat, can you go over how much exposure to a team is too much, i.e. how many Chargers/bears, etc.
3:36before it's negative EV?
3:39Yeah, that's interesting. So Pete broke down uh a team back in 2022, like the the year before I won, Baseball
3:49Mania. He had broken down a team that was like oops all Packers kind of and had finished, I think, seventh. And it
3:56got me thinking that maybe, you know, the the answer is higher than we would have thought. Um, but it is it's one of those things where
4:07using the sidekick I can say sometimes I'll see a lot of exposure and sometimes uh to one team I mean and
4:14sometimes you don't get um you know me much stacking at all. So it is going to be pretty price dependent. If there was
4:22a team where we thought all of these guys are like really undervalued then you are obviously increasing correlation by betting on that one team
4:32um which can be you know upsidelifting in some context and not as upside lifting in in others.
4:40It's like if your entire receiver core was from one team, you would have less upside, I would say, than a team with
4:47multiple teams receivers, right? Because you can there's only so many points one NFL team can score. So, uh, it's hard to
4:54say without getting into like the specific prices of those players. Uh, but I will say I think you know the Chargers and Bears this year, the Bears
5:05are pretty expensive. And one of the reasons that I'm comfortable not having a ton of Bears exposure overall is that I do think it's possible for a team to
5:13be systematically overpriced where all the players, they don't suck, they don't do nothing, but none of them crush their
5:22ADP. Um, and you know, we've seen like great players be bad fantasy picks. Uh, Bejian Robinson was a bad fantasy pick
5:31as a rookie. Uh, he's he's awesome. He's the number two overall pick this year.
5:38Uh but you know, he was overpriced.
5:40Ashen Genty was overpriced as a rookie as well. And uh you know, that hasn't affected really any confidence in him this year. People still want to
5:51draft him. So, uh I think that you know, I don't know if I exactly answered your question. It's hard to exactly answer your question. Something
6:00like the Sidekick honestly does a a very good job of of helping create good teams in ways that incorporates things like, you know, team
6:09level bets. Need training camp to start badly. Just got bored and accidentally fell into 40% Jefferson as in Justin Jefferson.
6:18I don't think you can fall into 40% Justin Jefferson. Is there another Jefferson I'm not thinking of here? Van Jefferson. I don't think you can
6:25accidentally fall into 40% Van Jefferson. What what Jefferson are we talking about? When should be drafting for the eliminator? I'm going to
6:33probably draft most of my eliminator late in the summer just when we have the most information. It is kind of, you
6:38know, more of a cash game, so I kind of think of it like I probably want as much information as I can get. Um,
6:46but you know, I I am drafting some in the meantime. In fact, why don't we jump in one cuz I think
6:55this 555 is going to fill, but it hasn't filled yet.
6:59And uh we'll go ahead and get an eliminator started. Nice. It filled right away.
7:06That was a nice little pivot. Uh so the eliminator here is often running in what 50 seconds. And
7:16then the 555 is 10 of 12. So, I'll do my best to uh to toggle back and forth at the 555 fills, but hopefully this
7:25eliminator gets going, the 555 gets going pretty late into the eliminator, and we can kind of do two drafts before uh maybe with a little overlap before
7:36ADP chasing. 555 is 10 of 12 in there.
7:41Uh I don't see Shady.
7:45Let's keep it that way, maybe.
7:47And I don't see Sack. I looks pretty good. Um, Rhode Island. Shout out to Rhode Island.
7:56I'm a Rhode Island fan. Another small state. You know, small state bros got to stick together. I'm a I'm a Delaware
8:02native, so shout out Rhode Island. Um, how likely is it that CD Lamb is better than CD? I think pretty unlikely. I
8:10could see him outscoring CD Lamb, but I think uh it's kind of like a bad year for CD Lamb when that happens a lot of
8:17the time with the offense like absolutely humming. It is hard for me to believe that Pickkins is just straight up better than CD Lamb. I wouldn't put
8:26it at zero, but uh unlikely. Mind sharing details on the kickstand again?
8:32So legendaryupsside.com/kickstand or just go to legendaryupsside and right at the top right next to sidekick is the kickstand link that show that just kind
8:41of gives you the basic details but it's just included in the legup sub and it has the features of the sidekick like
8:48the notification sound uh which you'll hear here in just a second and uh so there you go. There's a notification sound which is quite
8:59helpful if you're multitabling.
9:01uh or if you're doing other things with your life and you have got the you know the computer uh isn't isn't your primary
9:09focus or you know you're doing something in another tab pretty nice for that. Uh and then it's got these tags that you're
9:17seeing here like quarterback teammate week 17 bringbacks by overlap and then exposure. So, actually to load in my exposure, I'm going to go click this uh
9:29setting here at the bottom. Um, actually, I don't even need to do that.
9:34I just need to go to the drafts for completed drafts, which I'm doing in another tab you can't see.
9:43Uh, and I'm just going to the eliminator slate, which I'll share here. So, here's my eliminator slate. I go here, go to
9:53exposure, and you can see exposure data saved. So, I'm good there.
9:59Back to the draft, and my exposure is loaded in for the eliminator slate. So, super super simple. Um,
10:09you can check, you know, what exposures and stuff you have in there by clicking this gear and that'll open up a new tab,
10:16but you actually don't even need to to click that to load in the exposures. You just with the Sidekick extension installed, just go to the page where you
10:24get your exposure on either DraftKings Underdog, whichever one you're looking to do and you get you get it loaded in like a
10:32second. So, it looks like this will be Devon Achan here. Yep.
10:39So, we're Jonathan Taylor, Devon A Chan.
10:44All right. Why do you like Mahomes when he's been complete ass the last four years and now he's coming off an ACL and
10:49his passing game weapons are mid? I guess uh we have definitions of complete ass that are a little different would be
10:58the simplest way to put that. Uh Patrick Mahomes was kind of a smash in 2023
11:06and scored well last year. So, uh, I don't think you're using fair
11:15definitions here, uh, as far as what, you know, we're likely to get. I mean, Patrick Mahomes just pulled up, he scored the same, uh, number of points
11:24per game as Drake May last year, and he was, uh, you know, he was a 1.2 points below Josh Allen per game in, uh, in
11:34underdog scoring last year. So that sounds pretty awesome to me. You know, if we can get back to that, you pay a third, I pay an eighth, I pay a
11:45ninth. I think I win I win those 2v2s pretty pretty easy. Um I know, you know, you can push back obviously on Mahomes
11:54scoring like he did last year with uh his his rushing potentially being a little bit down off of an ACL.
12:02And I think that would that would be fair push back. But um you know with the price that he uh requires, I don't even
12:11think you need him to even score quite as well as he did last year, especially not like for the whole year.
12:18You're kind of betting with Mahomes that he gets back closer to last year by the end of the season. Uh so that that would
12:25be like the Mahomes bet is sort of a a bet that's tilted to the upside late in the year. And uh
12:33people are overly negative on the Mahomes experience cuz I think with Mahomes it's Mahomes like we got we got kind of spoiled as far as like what he
12:40was going to deliver and that's kind of his fault because he was so awesome but now that he's not like playing like at
12:49at god level people act like it's either God or ass and and I don't think that's fair. uh he can still easily beat in
12:59eighth round ADP. [snorts] All right, we are doing two drafts at once here. First time I've done this on Top Guy Tuesday, so I'm going to I'm
13:08going to share both as we go. And uh we'll see we'll see how I I do this. So, let me just get
13:18this over a little. Gonna make my screen a little small a little smaller.
13:23>> [snorts] >> Um, all right.
13:28Will the number of tight ends with a positive advance rate go up or down this year in your opinion?
13:34Hm. I would say [clears throat] probably up because I think there's a good amount of uh tight ends that are good picks
13:40late. And uh so there'll probably be a lot of tight ends who have like a pretty good advance rate. nothing, not like a
13:48smash necessarily, but uh that will have good advance rates later on. Jaylen Wadd is my number one wide receiver. Feels pretty good in the
13:58fourth here. He's move moving up and uh you know, I wouldn't necessarily expect to be able to get him there, but yeah,
14:06getting him in the fourth as my wide receiver one with Taylor Han and McBride. I mean, team's looking pretty solid. All right, we're going to go over
14:14to the 555 where I'm out of the 10 hole
14:22and uh we'll see how that goes.
14:31Uh Chris asked me about the Broncos and uh discussion between Gretch and Shawn.
14:37Haven't heard that yet. Uh curious to listen to it though.
14:43Henderson and Burden. Who'd you rather have in full PPR Dynasty?
14:49Man, probably Henderson.
14:54I think Henderson's going to be uh I think Henderson's a little safer in a way where you're getting you're just tied to that offense and Raandre is
15:04going to be gone at some point. So, you're going to get kind of that bump.
15:07Burden is like the higher upside swing though because I think if he's emerges as the clear number one in that offense, then he could just be like one
15:17of these wide receivers that were, you know, we're drafted in the second round next year and he's really young and he's also in a great situation,
15:26but it's a little bit more do or die with Burden right now.
15:31All right, I am about to be on the clock in both of these simultaneously.
15:35Lamb in the queue. Then we're going to go over here, share this tab so you can see what's going on. Quinn Sean Judkins
15:40in the queue. And I'll go ahead and put that pick in. Then we're coming back to the 555.
15:48And uh we'll take CD Lamb.
15:50And you can see I'll be on the clock in the 555 again first.
15:56Uh can you guys hear me? I think just see if you can hear me because I'm getting some notification about the
16:07audio, but I think it might just be for my screen share.
16:17It's coming clear. Beautiful. All right.
16:21So, yeah. So, I'm going to keep the notification sound on, but it sounds like maybe it's not getting to its way
16:26to Streamyard. I don't know. Uh, but whatever.
16:30I'm keeping it on for myself.
16:33I'm keeping on because I need it. Uh I'm multitabling.
16:38All right, so it looks like AJ Brown going to be top of the sidekick here.
16:42Wide receiver, wide receiver start in the 555. Pretty fun. And let's get back over to the eliminator.
16:53And it looks like we're looking at Jaden Daniels QB1 in the sixth
17:02into that. It's pretty fun and I think we'll be back up in the eliminator first. So I'll share that.
17:12Okay, jumping back up at the top.
17:23How much are you mixing in Josh Allen?
17:25Everyone seems to agree that he's overpriced, but his single week spike potential makes it scary to have zero.
17:30I'm not mixing him in a ton. I think he's at such a higher price relative to the other quarterbacks that even that
17:38potential to turn in a huge spike week is kind of mitigated by the price where like yeah, you can have a massive spike week, but
17:48so can other quarterbacks where maybe they don't even have as big a spike week, but you narrow the gap. The other
17:53thing is that like you're going to need a massive spike week from multiple people to win basketball mania. Right?
18:02Like you can't just not have spike weeks. You got to have have to have probably a couple different people go nuts. And it would be really helpful if
18:11one of those was your third round pick.
18:13And so like his ability to do that, Josh Allen, it's not really unique relative to the players he's going around. It's
18:20almost, you know, it's it's like kind of table stakes that you're going to get a big performance from, you know, at least
18:30a few of your early round picks. and getting that at quarterback when the pricing dynamics are what they are is is
18:37just not actually as helpful as if you can find that spike we get another position. So, I'm just a little bit less
18:45uh worried about it where I do think he can spike, but I just don't think that having that spike
18:54is even enough for my opponents. So, uh, I'm I'm obviously a little bit nervous about it, but it's like one of
19:02those things I'm not nervous enough to do something I just don't think is is going to be good for my portfolio.
19:10Uh, and this is one slate, right? Like that's the way I'm thinking about this stuff is like this is, you know, there's
19:16there's every week in DFS like there's a ton of players I don't play and so this is going to be a year where I kind of
19:22don't play Josh Allen which could be pretty annoying for me but is something I'm okay living with. Uh if if these
19:32dynamics don't change. It's also like I recognize Josh Allen's awesome and could score a ton of fantasy points and it could really suck for me if he scores
19:38fantasy points in certain weeks when I don't have them. Uh, and so if the dynamics shift, I I'll probably attack that, you know, and get my Josh Allen
19:49exposure. Like maybe he, you know, has some weird foot thing that keeps him out of practice for a couple weeks and isn't
19:55really a big deal, but his price drops.
19:57I'll probably be into that, right? I I'm not, this isn't like a stubbornness thing. Uh, so yeah, can't get an eliminator to fill
20:06that fast. Two of the, you know, tournaments here that aren't super easy to just jump into and have them fill, I
20:12got going simultaneously. So that that feels pretty good. Got the 555 going in and eliminator.
20:19Uh, was I autoing in a five or in a fast puppy? I wasn't autoing, but I was doing like 10 at a time. So there were some uh
20:27there [snorts] were some auto clicks in there. Uh can you talk about why uh we are lower on Christian Watson compared to other
20:39analysts who have him as a breakout? Uh I don't think like he's one of those players where I don't feel that I am
20:46bearish.
20:47But I also uh oh I'm actually on the clock in the eliminator. That one's going fast. So we're sharing this. We're throwing a Mai
20:55Lemon. We're We're gonna actually we're just gonna take Mai Lemon. We're gonna go back to the five of five where I'm
21:01now on the clock. And we got to be quick because Bree Hall's here, which is pretty damn fun. So, we're drafting Bree
21:08Hall.
21:10That doesn't that always happen. Like, every time you're in two drafts, the clocks sync up. I think it's magnets. I think Shady was explaining. I think it
21:19has something to do with magnets or the uh the poles of the Earth. I think I don't know. I'm not, you know, I don't
21:25have the science down, but I I think it's that I think it's something to do like with the way the birds can tell
21:29their directions. I think it's the same stuff. Um, you know, we we'll have Shady explain it on the next uh Top Guy
21:36Tuesday. Uh, but this start here, CD Lamb, AJ Brown, Bree Hall looking like Javante Williams or Garrett Wilson as the next pick. Whichever one makes it
21:46back in the 555 going to be either balanced start or three wide receiver and one running back. Derrick Wilson goes. Pretty sure
21:55we're gonna be looking at Javvante Williams with the double Cowboys start.
21:58We are. So there we go. Bruce Hall, Jvonte Williams, CD Lamb, AJ Brown. Uh, not in that order, but the the two
22:06running backs, then the two wide receivers as I was looking at it there, but Lamb, Brown, Bree, Javvante is the order I took the guys. And we'll go here
22:15sharing this tab in the eliminator.
22:21I'll be up in a few picks. This team is Jonathan Taylor, Devonte Chan, Trey McBride, Jaylen Wadd, Quinn Sean Judkins, Jaden Daniels, Jaylen Herz, and
22:29Mai Lemon. Eliminator obviously is going to be more focused on scoring points right away because uh you're you're headtohead like the whole way. Got to
22:40outscore your opponent. Uh you got to finish top half week one, then outscore your opponent the rest of the way. So,
22:48you know, little bit of a a different game. Just a straight up different game.
22:53So, it looks like Harold Fannon is going to be the top recommendation here. If he makes it, he does make it. Uh, we'll go
23:01ahead take Harold Fannon.
23:05This eliminator is moving quicker because of the 20 second clock. So, that's another kind of fun element here.
23:12I've done more DK drafts this year than either past years. appears the promos have been pretty good so far. Yeah, I DK
23:18uh doing getting getting that like an overnight stop on the on the slow drafts I think would help me get more volume
23:24down, but they've I I've enjoyed how much DK's put into baseball this year.
23:31Uh does Chris Bell news change anything for you in Miami? One of their pass catchers not seemed achan named Anchan seems like likely to pay off their
23:41price.
23:42I'm definitely going to be paying attention. I've also seen some Caleb Douglas hype. I' I'm definitely paying attention to what's going on there
23:48because we our baseline kind of pre-training camp view is that it's very difficult to really have a good sense of of how the receiver room's going to
23:56shake out. That is one that we're going to be moving on quickly for sure. Uh what's your top guys that come to mind
24:04when you're thinking about legendary running backs this year?
24:06>> [snorts] >> Uh, Walker has kind of more and more come to mind as far as the second round guys because of the potential for him to
24:15catch more passes in an offense that could pass the ball way more than any offense he's been in previously. And he's shown the ability to catch the ball
24:23uh more than he looked like he would be able to as a prospect. So, he definitely jumps out and uh it's like a little bit speculative,
24:32but he's I'm I'm getting kind of more and more interested in Kenneth Walker. Uh I still prefer Saquon Barkley to him, but but he's one
24:42he's probably the guy I've kind of changed my tune the most on.
24:46Um because initially I was thinking I was a little little hype driven. All right, let me get Brooks out of here because he's not at the top
24:54anymore. Get Jacobe Myers and Romeo Dobs in the queue.
25:00And looks like it'll be Jacobe Myers.
25:08And back to the 555.
25:17Does the kickstand function similarly to the solver? No. It also doesn't function similar to the Sidekick, which is the tool you're looking at right here, in
25:26the sense that the Sidekick has uh dynamic rankings that are driven by Shad's uh Shades uh SIMs.
25:35Uh so yeah, it shows what the kickstand will do is show these features. Uh I'm not going to speak on on the solver.
25:44I'm not sure if you actually meant that as as the solver, but uh what I'll say is it show the kickstand's going to show
25:50you exposure, teammates, quarterback, uh tags on week 17, by-week overlap, uh and the ability to load in your own rankings. So,
26:01uh hopefully that answers your question.
26:03All right, Bucky Irving makes it back to me in the fifth.
26:07I'll go ahead and take him.
26:12How are you balancing turning exposures versus all-around exposure? Found myself taking higher overall exposures in order to get different combos at a tournament
26:20level. Uh I'm mostly taking like in the smaller tournaments, I'm mostly doing slow drafts and so I'm pretty top guy there. What I will do is like if I have
26:31guys I've taken several times on the 555, I might mix that up because I'm not going to have like a nice super clean
26:39portfolio on the 555s in terms of the volume that I'll I'll get down. So outside of something like this where I've committed to taking the top
26:47recommendation and sidekick every time, um I might break ties there. Like for example, had this guy not taken Carnell Tate and had I not been committed to
26:58taking Tate if he was the top of Sidekick, I would take Henderson in the sixth. Um, is someone I don't have yet
27:04in the 555. I'm slightly underweight on overall and it's at a good price. But fortunately, he's top of this top of the
27:10kick and I'm taking him.
27:14Uh, thoughts on the Giants. If you believe that Neighbors is not going to play, then the other receivers are cheap. If you believe Neighbors will
27:23play, then Neighbors is cheap. Malachi Fields intriguing Naggie that bad. The issue I think you have with the Giants is that we don't have a lot of clarity
27:30on who's going to fill in for neighbors with neighbors out uh early. And then we don't also
27:41um excuse [clears throat] me we don't I mean I don't think neighbors is cheap. I think neighbors is actually going to
27:48fall but like then okay so Neighbors is going to miss some times early in some weeks where those weeks aren't all that valuable you know compared to
27:58the late weeks. And it's the weeks when your team's likely to be healthiest.
28:01You're you're likely to be scoring like a lot of points. You've got wide receivers that are probably doing just fine. like Darius Slayton may not hit
28:08your lineup even if he scores 13 points, you know, like you can be right and it might not matter. Now you get to the end
28:14of the season, I do expect Neighbors to be back. So, okay, is Neighbors, you know, are those receivers that you you
28:21took to replace Neighbors? Are they still replacing Neighbors or are they more phased out?
28:28and are they also potentially phased out because Malachi Fields starts to come on who I don't think will probably contribute early but he could maybe
28:34contribute late. So I'm mixing in some of the Giants wide receivers. I don't think any of them is a smash. It's not
28:40like we have this clear guy who will step up in the inter room. It's not an offense that I'm super excited to get
28:46exposure to generally.
28:49And so yeah, it it just has I think it could be a case where neighbors being out just sucks. like it just sucks we
28:57don't have Neighbors to start the year and the and the Giants feel it and there wasn't like a a smash available later
29:03because Neighbors is out because Neighbors is an elevator. He's a straight up elite talent when healthy and uh you pull him out of the offense,
29:12it just hurts the offense. I don't think it's necessarily like a great thing for someone else.
29:23All right, let's see. Let's see.
29:29Trying to reason with someone who says Mahomes was was asked is a waste of breath. I don't I mean I get questions
29:35on the Mahomes stuff. You do get people can be hyperbolic. I don't mind talking Mahomes. Uh it's like a a reverse Davis
29:42when you're hyperbolic in the negative way about Mahomes.
29:45Um thoughts on stacking back fields. I think stuff where you take like I have done things where you know you have like
29:55Bjan Robinson and then you don't have an RB2 for a while maybe you've got a like like this team if this team uh out of
30:02the two-hole with Bjon were to go like double Vikings as their running back three like a combo running back three in like around nine
30:11and 10 or something. Um or I guess to make sure they did it they would need to do eight nine. So maybe that's not so
30:18great but you get what I'm saying. like you can do uh the the double tap and I think I think that kind of double tap
30:27works okay in certain situations or works well I should say in certain situations I think um there's other things you can do where you take like
30:37you could go spears singleton and just get like the two cheaper guys in in that backfield you're just kind of betting against pard twice and both guys
30:45are cheap enough where I think that's probably viable who uh I have never gone Mitchell Vidal, but I could see I could I could maybe see
30:55it. Um I think you want something more like Spears Singleton, though, where it's like ambiguous. You could also do like Bill Katron. Uh Bill's like a
31:03little bit more expensive that and I think you're direct you're like directly betting against Bill in a lot of ways.
31:10Um I think it's better if you're taking two stabs if one of them can catch passes. All right, Omar Cooper, welcome
31:16to the squad. Fun that Cooper is actually showing up here in eliminator.
31:21He is slated to slot to start out of the slot. So, I think people are undervaluing him generally. And I think
31:29um Oh, I didn't share this tab. Omar Cooper was top of the queue here and uh rated
31:37ADP. But let's get back over to the 555 where I'm on deck. Mai Lemon and Jaden Reed. But yeah, I think Omar Cooper is
31:47under undervalued just straight up, but even for stuff like Eliminator, I think people are being overly overly negative.
31:55All right, Mai Lemon comes all the way back to me. I mean, I guess he's this is ahead of ADP. It feels like a huge fall
32:03cuz uh I think he's he's just a jam in the seventh. Uh if I wasn't doing Top Guy Tuesday, maybe maybe I push him. I
32:12wouldn't. I would take him, [laughter] but you could certainly argue I I should maybe. Um, but uh I don't know. There's
32:20just some of sometimes with a guy like that, I'm just like, let me just get what I already think is a value. So, I
32:26probably just follow the sidekick and and take him that. Uh, plus I need my wide receiver three there. So, it's a
32:32pretty important pick for the team.
32:35Seems a little silly to try to push it too much, you know.
32:41All right, Travis Hunter. The uh the sidekick combo of Omar Cooper and Travis Hunter. It exists in Eliminator 2. We
32:48get both guys. Uh and we'll head back over to the 555 where I'm on the clock.
32:57Patrick Mahomes is here.
33:00I can't believe I'm about to draft this guy, even though, as we all know, he's complete ass.
33:07Patrick Mahomes, welcome to the squad.
33:11All right.
33:15Have you noticed the Sidekick is asking you to visit the website every time to load players? I think uh what I'd say if
33:21you're having any issues because we did push uh some Sidekick updates recently.
33:24DraftKings changed up some stuff. Had to push some updates uh in fairly quick succession over the last week or so. If
33:32you're having any issues with kind of slowness uh login stuff, make sure you have the latest uh extension. Typically, it should like pull over time uh like
33:42update itself. But if again, if you're if you're like, "What's going on?
33:46Sidekick feels a little different today," just uh uninstall and reinstall the extension. That should fix issues.
33:52Uh if that doesn't work, you can always shoot me an email, legendary upsidegmail.com.
33:57Uh we'll get you taken care of. There's if you're in the Discord as well, there's a sidekick support channel.
34:01That's actually the faster way to go.
34:04Um, but yeah, if if you haven't jumped in the Discord, then you can always shoot me an email, too. Again, that's
34:09legendary upsidegmail.com.
34:13Why isn't Diggs falling much in rankings for ADP despite the controversy? Yeah, I mean, it doesn't seem like he's not
34:21going to sign still. Uh, but if there was like buzz that teams are kind of out, uh, I would I would, you know, we would
34:32certainly move on that.
34:34Uh, but yeah.
34:39All right.
34:41Do you have any long shot season futures that you think are a good bet? I haven't really looked at the seasonl long
34:48futures and thought, you know, from a perspective of actually betting them.
34:53Uh, but yeah, I could take a look real quick. Um yeah, I h I haven't really It's more like I'm using them as
35:04research of like, you know, how many games are these teams expected to win?
35:08Okay, about 50% of the time they're they're winning, you know, the in the middle of the of this number, you know, 8.5 is like the 50th
35:16percentile, right? So trying to figure out what that means about, you know, guys getting benched and stuff. Um arguing with with Sam Sherman last week
35:26in that context on on that's fair.
35:30Uh so that's how more I've looked at it.
35:32But trying to look quickly uh who jumps out?
35:43I mean the commanders at plus 6,000. Is this Oh, this is Super Bowl odds. I I would do I'm not going to bet them Super
35:50Bowl, I don't think. But uh wins commanders. What are the commanders?
35:58I got to make this pick.
36:03All right, I should go back over my 555. Looks like it timed out somehow.
36:12Not great for me.
36:15All right, let me open up the DraftKings app. What's going on?
36:25DraftKings is making me sign in.
36:32Okay, I'm on the clock it looks like. No, I'm in up in three. [snorts] Okay,
36:41here you can share this sweat with me as I try to get back to the draft.
36:47Uh, okay. I'm up in two upcoming contests.
36:58Come on.
37:00All right, I think we're going to be good.
37:06This 20 one is the one I forgot that I entered and it just autodrafted. So, I'm not eligible for prizes, so it just sits
37:12there.
37:15We made it. Harold Fannon, top of the kick. That that what a reward for me. I just get back in time. Just in time. No
37:25time to spare. And I get my duckfooted King Herald fan and past ADP. Glorious.
37:31Glorious.
37:33Uh let's see. Let's see if they'll give me Xavier worthy for the stack. In the meantime, going to go over here, take a look at
37:40this eliminator.
37:42See how we're doing.
37:44Uh yeah. So, Commander Win total, if I knew what it was, it might be.
37:51Yeah, the audio on the stream is good. I I'm leaving this on for uh for myself.
37:58Um this but the multi table's about to end because we're in the 17th round of the eliminator.
38:04Uh, and this team is going to have Jeremy Bernard.
38:15You know, this would be like I think an interesting we'll we'll talk about the eliminator a little bit more when it
38:20finishes. But I do think the eliminator is interesting where um a man I I just got double sniped on the home stuff
38:29worthy and then Kelsey went to different teams. That's annoying. Uh Bo Nicks backstack stackable to a degree.
38:39Take him.
38:47So this 555 CD Lamb, AJ Brown, Bree Hall, Javante Williams, Bucky Irving, Trivia Henderson, Mai Lemon, Patrick Mahomes, who I took with Dak Prescott
38:58off the board, uh who went actually ahead of when I took Mai Lemon. then Harold Fannon, then I took Bo Nicks. So,
39:06potential for quarterback value to be the key here as opposed to the stack because we do have a Cowboys bet. Uh we
39:16do have, you know, two of those guys there. We we have also a Patriots bet, AJ Brown and Trevian Henderson. We don't have either
39:25quarterback, but both quarterback, both of those quarterbacks went in the early seventh. And then we have Mahomes and then Bo Knicks. Uh, you know,
39:34significantly later. Knicks obviously does have the week 17 bringback element with the Patriots. So, we are betting on that game to to go off. So far, don't
39:43have any Broncos, but we'll see. That will probably change Pat Bryan or someone like that, but uh, you know, we'll we'll see.
39:53Back to the eliminator for the final pick and Ted Hurst.
39:59which is a nice pick for the point I wanted to make on this, which is that, you know, if you're telling someone
40:05about eliminator, like what do you want to do in Eliminator that you might not do in normal baseball? You might say,
40:11well, rookies are probably a little bit worse because you have to score points, you know, every single week. Um, you can't
40:20have a down week, you're going to get eliminated kind of thing or at least not too down of a week. And those early
40:25weeks are really important.
40:27And I think that's true. Except what if the rookies are all way too cheap and so you get Omar Cooper at 151, you get
40:34Deshawn Stribbling at 186, you get Jeremy Bernard at 199, you get Ted Hurst 210, uh, and you get Mai Lemon at pick
40:4190. Like, this team has a ton of rookie wide receivers. It also has Jonathan Taylor, Devon Han, Crunch Judkins, uh, you know, three early running back
40:49picks. It's a three three quarterback build. has an elite tight end and then Harold Fannon. So, it should be scoring well uh at the other positions, but it's
40:56just, you know, kind of the point of rules of thumb are helpful, but they can't be the beall endall because prices
41:02matter so much in this game.
41:07All right, I'll review the eliminator team at the end when I review the 555 team, but the multitabling is over. I'm
41:15going to turn off the on the clock sound so no one gets uh startled jarred that they're on the clock somewhere.
41:23I know the feeling, you know, that sound is kind of Pavlovian at this point.
41:29Uh oh, if the Josh Allen team's getting eliminated in week one playing Houston, that that would be interesting. Uh, I
41:40hear you on Allen, but would your uh stance change if other quarterbacks started moving up once the Casuals enter the frey? It would a bit. Yes. If if
41:48quart I mean it's just in a hypothetical where all quarterback prices moved up, Josh Allen would like objectively become a better pick, right? It's like that's
41:58just how it would work. It the difference between him to the rest of the of the position would change and it
42:03would be much harder to argue. And I think you could argue that that would be fine. that like you know that would be a
42:10more efficient market if all these quarterbacks especially guys like Drake May and Jaden Daniels and Joe Burrow and Lamar Jackson that if those guys moved up that would
42:20actually be more efficient market. I don't think you necessarily be wrong but um the fact that that price gap exists is a huge part of of why I think Allen
42:28is a tricky click.
42:32All right.
42:35Are the inputs too low on Ricky Pieraw.
42:37What if he's really good? I think we have what if he's really good baked in.
42:40Uh I think we do. I've been kind of poking and proddding on the pure stuff to make sure we're not missing anything
42:48there. Uh it's a guy we've talked about as recently as uh yesterday. And I think we're I think we're fair on Paw. We do
42:57see him occasionally.
42:58Uh he's gone now and he didn't pop up near the top of the sidekick, but um he's not a player I think we're just
43:08like have our heads in the sand on.
43:11I think uh yeah, I kind of wish we were taking more of him.
43:17He's probably just a little bit overpriced is is really what it comes down to. I mean, some of the the interesting thing for me with the way we
43:24do this now is that we basically give the Sims like what we think and then the Sims kind of help us determine who the
43:31good picks are. And that's not always like evident to me, you know, before we run Sims and before we start to use the
43:41sidekick of like, well, who's going to who's going to stand out as like the Mega Smashes, it's not always it's not
43:48always obvious to me like who we're going to love. I largely I'm like we're probably going to like this guy but um
43:56you know you get in drafts and like man we are I don't like I don't think Khalil Shakir would have been super high on my
44:00list. We take a lot of Khalil Shakir and I think it's just the dynamics of where he tends to fall in that in that
44:07tier of receivers. He went ahead of Romeo Dobs and Casey Conpsion here but typically he goes after those guys and if you need a receiver in that range
44:15he's one of those guys. And so, you know, Shakir, like had I taken Ferguson and then Shakir falls back to the 1203, which
44:24wouldn't be all that unusual, um I pretty sure he would have been top of the sidekick there. So, it comes down
44:32to kind of the puzzle, you know, as much as who we like.
44:36uh starting to come around on Bree Lightning if you go wide receiver. Wide
44:48receiver. Yeah, I think it's I think it's good.
44:52Uh uh Tiger uppercut thinks it's the moon the wire draft sync up. That's that's interesting. Um Pat, isn't Malik Willis a better and
45:06cheaper version of the field bet from years past? Feels like he's heavily slept on right now and love him in three
45:12quarterback builds. Yeah, I mean I think Fields was a miss for us last year with just not having enough of of the bench
45:22possibility baked in. And so I do think there's some similarities especially to last year feels but it's one that where you know I'm very aware of just how bad
45:32this Dolphins offense not just like could be but like kind of is like how bad things are likely to be.
45:40Uh you know it's not like there's really much optimism for their win total. Um which is which is a 4.5.
45:50So, like we're talking about half the seasons we're we're getting below five wins on on the Dolphins. I mean, yeah, I I think the similarity of Fields
46:01is is not necessarily a good thing there.
46:05Uh, and they're going to draft a quarterback next year. This team is going to move on from from Malik Willis at the end of the
46:13year in all likelihood. So, it's just it's a little bit more similar maybe to to Sam Howell in some ways, except I
46:20think Howell had a probably a longer leash. Maybe maybe not. Maybe maybe they're similar, but Howell was also like a 17th and 18th round pick and
46:28Malik Willis is quite a bit more expensive. So, [snorts] I know up there.
46:35Yeah.
46:37Does the kick ever get to the backup running backs for the Dolphins on DK? I have seen Olly Gordon today, I think, in
46:46a slow draft. I saw him pop up. Um, he's he's in the simps. We do see him a little. Not a ton. Travis Hunter getting
46:57sniped. There's a real real big bummer for me. Could have used that receiver pick for sure. Little bit of a receiver
47:04run there that wiped out some good picks. Omar Cooper, Travis Hunter, Jawan Jennings, even Florenoi with this uh Cowboys bet. [snorts]
47:14That is a bit of a shame from for my build, but we'll uh we'll overcome.
47:22Are there any fancy zeros that you IKB that the psychic doesn't believe in yet?
47:26Or are you waiting for camp? Kron Allen is a little bit of a fancy zero that I try to get more of. um where it's kind
47:33of like I think we have everything correct for what we know now, but I also think like with a little bit of information,
47:41we might think some very different things. So, uh yeah, he's he's a guy I'm kind of willing to like bet on changing the
47:49narrative to a degree, but we'll see. I mean, it's it's me kind of being speculative, which is why it's an IKB.
47:57All right, Tyler Algier's top of the sidekick here.
48:01building out some running back depth after starting wide receiver, wide receiver, but then four straight running backs, then tacked on too late. Uh, and
48:10now we are looking at a big old wall of yellow because I need to fill out wide receiver depth. I've got two run two
48:17quarterbacks, six running backs, three wide receivers, three tight ends, and pretty sure we're looking at a lot of wide receivers, maybe another tight end
48:26to close with the first tight end being in the ninth.
48:37What is the cheapest team to grab the entire passing offense? The Browns. Uh I know that low ceiling probably is the
48:44Browns I would say, right? Uh I mean they're the fir the first Brown is coming off with with Harold Fannon. You
48:53get Casey Conpion, Denzel Boston, Jerry Judy, no one's expensive. the quarterback. It's got to be the Browns.
48:59Yeah.
49:04Oh, Bizaro Davis overdrafts Parker Washington and 0% Terrence Ferguson.
49:09That That is pretty good.
49:12Uh Pat, you said the other day one way to attack expensive teams is to draft the quarterback naked. Can you expand? Would
49:19you target Caleb naked?
49:22Yeah, I mean I think it would again kind of come down to the pricing dynamics, but you certainly could uh win by by taking the quarterback who
49:34benefits from really expensive weapons that are so expensive that they're actually not great picks and then uh is able to put up a lot of points on the
49:46back of those guys. Uh, one example would actually be on my winning BBM team, I had Tom Brady. I did not have
49:54Mike Evans. Mike Evans dropped 50 in uh, in the final. He wasn't really represented in the baseball mania final though because he was an early second
50:03round pick. Uh, I I got I had Saquon Barkley in his kind of Giants bounceback season and uh, I got him after Evans was off
50:14the board. He was an early second in that draft. generally I think more of a mid-second that year, but was really
50:20expensive and didn't really pay off that ADP to the point that he wasn't uh really in the final. And so I didn't have to beat Mike Evans. I then
50:31I had Tom Brady and he had an awesome uh final game. DJ Moore was was opposite the Bucks as a bringback. I had him. I
50:38had Chris Godwin stacked with Brady which didn't um he didn't score nearly as well as Evans did but he was a lot
50:46cheaper and so he was the better pick and so he you know you were able to get there with him. So you know imagine
50:51Godwin had been a first round pick that year. Uh I would have been better off not taking Godwin but maybe taking naked
50:57Brady anyway at a at a cheap price. So, you know, it's uh I mean, if Caleb Williams was like a 13th round pick, I
51:05think we'd all be like, should we just take naked Caleb Williams? Like, there is a point at which he would be sort of
51:09obviously the way to play the Bears. Uh where the stacking options just are unlikely to pay off their ADP. So, yeah,
51:17it's just a it's just a matter of how divorced does the quarterback get from the prices of his weapons. And at a
51:24certain point, they would just become a really good pick, even naked.
51:34All right.
51:37Do you think JSN has reached peak value in Dynasty?
51:43How old is JSN?
51:48JSN is 24 years old.
51:52I think he's not probably likely to rise much more, but it's also uh probably yes, he's probably breached peak value, yes, but he's also likely to
52:03retain value, you know, reasonably well.
52:07So, it's not a player I'd be super nervous about either.
52:15Yeah, I think so. From your experience drafting with Sims, anything interesting you learned the Sims? uh let's say than you previously may not do. I think a lot
52:24of the dynamics around stacking and uh kind of building the whole thing around like my whole teams around making
52:34sure I have stacked quarterbacks and uh not taking quarterback value as a result because I'm like I can't stack
52:44that guy and then uh taking like a worse pick at quarterback because I couldn't stack the guy I wanted to take. I think
52:52that's bad. The Sims, the Sims do not think to think it's good and and I trust the math. So, I think that was probably bad.
53:01And this team would be an example where I get Mahomes and Knicks. I have Javvante Williams, Jake Ferguson, and CD Lamb. I am betting pretty hard on the
53:10Cowboys. And again, I have uh AJ Brown and Tvon Henderson. So, I'm betting on uh the Patriots.
53:21I would have bet on the Jets if they'd let me. Omar Cooper didn't come back, right? But uh he certainly would have
53:26been someone I would have been happy to take where he went. And uh yeah, so I don't have direct stacks with Mahomes
53:35uh really at all. I don't even have any bringbacks there. And then I have bring backs on Knicks. And we'll see. We might
53:40we might backstack him. You can see Troy Franklin's on the list. I need receivers. Pat Bryant's going to be in in the mix. So, I am likely to have a
53:48backdoor stack with Knicks, but this this seems likely to end up back door Knicks stack with Patriots bring backs and then naked Mahomes, but then you do
53:57have this Cowboys bet uh where, you know, maybe we even do some like Giants bringbacks stuff. Probably not. I'm not seeing like Fields is pretty far down
54:08here, but uh that that's another option, too, where you could have a big game stack without the quarterback. So, stuff like that. I did talk about stacking
54:15without the quarterback, but at the same time, to me, without the Sims, that was more like something I was doing in
54:21addition to also trying to stack my quarterbacks. Um, I am still trying to stack my quarterbacks, but if like a quarterback at a value falls in your
54:29lap, I'm a lot more likely to take him now.
54:37Uh, Jakard tool question. I should get Sack on one of these soon and we'll we can kind of go through the Jakard stuff cuz
54:45that's that's kind of his forte. Um and we can actually share uh his screen which might be nice uh on as I as I drive the sticks on the
54:56on the draft. So try to answer Jakard stuff in the next week or two.
55:04Got a JSN Seaquin start in SWAT room today. Did I win BBM?
55:10That's a pretty good start. I'm still gonna I'm still gonna max it out if that's okay with you. Don't take any
55:15offense. I'm still gonna max the B. I'm still gonna max BBM. Uh, all right. I'm on the clock here again.
55:27Looks like Ted Hurst. Ted Hurst kind of the star of today's stream. Drafted on both teams.
55:34And then Franklin and Bryant look like they'll be the next guys up here. Oh no, Franklin in his own tier a little bit. Bryant
55:44drops down uh behind Null and Brazil.
55:47We'll see. We'll see how it plays out.
55:51My longest shot is Tank Dell, comeback player of the year plus 8,000. I could see it. Brock Bowers, offensive player of the year, 80 to1.
56:00Baitman 400 to1. Come on. [gasps] at a zero maybe. Uh, no, I don't know. I mean, they they there have been
56:09touchdowns there. I'll give that to you.
56:12Um, Commanders is 7.5. I I like that as an over. I guess you were looking more for like player specific futures, but I like
56:22the Commanders over uh with with Jane Daniels healthy.
56:29Fannon has been falling. And I genuinely don't get why I like him 25% because he just sits there. Yeah, he he does fall. I don't really get it
56:38either. All right, Troy Franklin for for the stack.
56:42And uh we might end up with Pat Bryant anyway. We'll see if he comes back.
56:48Brazil and Bryant are top of the sidekick.
56:53Brazle has just been free, man. Like totally totally free. get him in the 20th round super regularly.
57:04Sideweek sidekick has been very interesting for Eliminator early on. I may have been a little bit too worried about the by-week overlap. Yeah, I'll
57:10take a look at the by-weeks. Actually, I can do I can do that now. Uh so by weeks, we got quarterbacks 7, 10, and
57:1811. Jaden Daniels, Jaden, Jaylen Herz, and Sam Darnold. Then at running back, Jonathan Taylor, Devon Chan, Quinchan Judkins, and Jakory Kroski Merritt. 136
57:2711 and seven. At receiver, Jaylen Wadd, Mai Lemon, Jacobe Meyers, Omar Cooper, uh Travis Hunter, Jerry Judy, Deshawn Stribbling, Jeremy Bernard, and Ted
57:38Hurst. I've got three 10s there, two sevens, uh and then no other overlap. And then at tight end Trey McBride and Harold
57:48Fannon 14 and 11. So yeah, I mean seven seems to be my big one here. I got a quarterback, a running back, uh two
57:59receivers on buy in week seven and then 10 uh also another one with one of my quarterbacks and then three of the
58:06receivers. But yeah, the buys are fairly spread out which I think is probably good overall. Sometimes you'll see like some buys get, you know, if you're if
58:16you have a lot of buys, it might be later on. You're kind of playing for, you know, you get there, you get you get
58:22a match up with someone else whose team's not so great maybe and um you know, you got pretty far before the
58:28by-weeks hit, which gives you a better chance of having gotten there in the first place kind of thing. So, I think
58:32there's some interesting stuff that happens with the by-weeks.
58:36One thing about Fan and his Monkin historically has kept his tight end in pass protection a lot which could lower his route share.
58:44It's not really true of Andrews. Um I I don't think that I think Monin's a sharp guy and that would be not a sharp thing
58:52to do with Harold Fannon specifically because that's not really what he does.
58:55So that doesn't give me a ton of concern.
58:59Pat Bryant did not make it back. Uh, I'm not on the clock yet, but so far just the the Troy Franklin stack. We'll see.
59:09Is uh is Evan Ingram floating around here? He's not.
59:13Where did Evan Ingram go? Getting sniped on Evan Ingram is brutal.
59:21Yeah. Oh god, he won the 18th 18th round. Evan Ingram, man. [snorts] other aspects of uh the sidekick support
59:34things I believe last year like not overindexing on things like rookie avoidance eliminator as picks etc. Yeah again like those rules of thumb like
59:43they definitely can be true but then what happens when everyone believes that they're true and then they start drafting like you can't draft rookies in
59:50eliminator. Well all of a sudden you can draft rookies in the eliminator because they're cheaper than they ought to be.
59:56Uh, so it's just this is like kind of the nature of peer-to-p peer games where stuff gets baked into the prices and
60:03then that changes what the good picks are. Brazil, I shouldn't have talked about how, you know, he's so Oh, he's so
60:08cheap, dude. You could just take him in the 20th every time. You don't got to take him. Don't even when you want to
60:14take him, don't because he'll be there in the next round.
60:18Great, great job by me. Really, uh, excellent work. Chris Brazzle's gone.
60:23Keenan Allen's next up. Uh hopefully I didn't just jinx that. We'll see if uh Peter Jennings lets me have Kenan. He
60:31does not.
60:35Great. All right, Jacobe Lane. Uh his route running. I don't know if you've seen his latest video, but uh it's a vid
60:42it's a video that might have me uh lowering him a little. It was uh this is supposed to be hype season. He ran what
60:49uh what I describe it as a loping some some looping some uh meandering kind of leadfooted route running to my
60:59eyes. It wasn't impressive.
61:02Uh don't Oh, here we are. Michael Pennix as the third quarterback completes the unstacked trio is on brand for this draft. So, let's go ahead and
61:13do it.
61:15Uh, quarterback points. Quarterbacks score points, too. The Sims insist that we uh that we factor that in.
61:24Uh, AP Pat BBM on underdog had a round one prize of 100K for the highest scoring team. Does that does anyone make content
61:35strategy specifically target this prize?
61:38Uh, would that just be a marathon strategy type thing?
61:44Yeah, I mean I think this is why Shady talks about the sidekick uh doing, you know, recommending the picks that make
61:51you the most money because there are uh you know, depending on the the format you're there sort of maybe some competing incentives or whatever. So,
62:02uh, your that is truly something where if you were going to be trying to go for, uh, a regular season prize in baseball mania,
62:13like I am, I am leaning hard on the sidekick to factor in the rate at which I would want to, uh, you know, tilt my
62:20team towards regular season scoring versus trying to make the playoffs. I've always thought like myself just cuz I have a I got one brain, you know, and
62:30it's it's, you know, it's pretty good.
62:34It's probably better ones. Uh, but I'm not trying to like I just don't know. Like I'm trying to I'm going to think through how do I
62:43make how do I do the primary thing that this tournament offers, which is $2 million to first place. Like how do I
62:49win that $2 million? um trying to do something where I'm trying to actually shift and like knowing when the right time to shift and start playing for the
62:59$100,000 prize for the first place. Um I just don't know. So that's that's where I think the sidekick really would help you there is that you would you
63:09would have that ma I mean that's a math question fundamentally. So let's let's have the math math on that.
63:19Uh Yeah.
63:26But I mean, yeah, I think from a the strategy perspective, I would say it's you're just kind of playing marathon style.
63:41Can you talk about Hurst? I think he's going to be awesome with Baker. I think Hurst is going to be good. Uh I think he
63:47could also not be good. you know, he's a it's a sort of a boom bus play. Uh he uh is a kind of a smaller school guy. He
63:55transfers uh from like a small program and then he was super productive for two years and like kind of in an old school
64:04way like this is a profile that I used to be really intrigued by and we had some hits you know these guys who were
64:10just like super productive um in you know their third and fourth year even so they didn't come out early but they're
64:18really productive in those final seasons at smaller schools.
64:22We've also seen some guys really not perform well uh with that profile ultimately and it kind of being like well they yeah they dominated at a
64:33smaller school or a less prestigious program. In Ted Hurst he case he had a 37% dominator rating uh that was 31% of
64:42Georgia State's yards and 43% of their touchdowns. uh as a as a true junior at 20 years old. And then at 21 years old,
64:49he had 37% of their uh receiving yards and uh 29% of their receiving touchdowns for a 33% dominated rating. Pretty good
65:00stuff. He was also reasonably efficient, 2.37 yards per team attempt in that final season.
65:05And then he's athletic. He's four got a 442 240. He's 206. Kind of a classic X receiver. He's got a a solid vert 36 and
65:12a half. Good broad jump. really good broad jump actually 135 so he's athletic great leaping ability big enough to play outside he's 6'4
65:23so there's upside here for him to be a starting outside wide receiver and a downfield threat in an offense that should be pretty good he doesn't have to
65:31be the number one option probably not getting double covered could be kind of a spike play type of player um and so
65:38I'm intrigued by that and I think ultimately he's a much better fit for that kind of outside downfield threat role than Jaylen McMillan is, who's more
65:44of a Z or even a slot. And so the opportunity is in front of him. If he's good, I think he could be a player who
65:51matters in baseball at his price, which is basically free. So, yeah, I'm I'm taking a lot of Ted Hurst. Uh, it is a player I recognize could
66:02ultimately be not much. You know, he's a third round rookie. He could be Jaylen Hyatt. You know, it could be bad, but
66:10he's got opportunity in front of him.
66:12Uh, so that, you know, that's the type of play I tend to like. It was like, hey, you don't need to be amazing. You
66:19just need to be pretty good and and you can be a real nice hit.
66:25Uh, so that's the Ted Hurst spiel.
66:32So, this is an interesting one. Uh, you cannot win the 100K without winning your pod. If you have a bunch of teams built
66:37to win the pods you're in, then your odds of winning the regular season prize will be higher.
66:42uh aka don't sweat that part.
66:46Yeah, keyword Georgia State. I think that is that's a very fair keyword uh you know that he was dominating Georgia State but we have seen guys at small
66:54programs or you know less impressive schools um be very good and uh I think you know it's going to be kind of a boom
67:03bust type of thing but uh you know similar stuff was was levied at guys who were ultimately really really good so
67:13I have uh I have some hope for Ted Hurst. My bigger concern with with Ted Hurst, the couple concerns with Hurst is
67:20that he might be ultimately a better real life player than baseball player because, you know, he's not drawing targets at a high rate, but he's really
67:27helping open things up for other people.
67:28That's a concern I have. And then I also have a concern, as I do with pretty much all third round picks, that even if he
67:33hits, it might not be this year. We had Nico Collins breakout, but not in year one. You know, he he would have been a bust uh taken taken at
67:43this price in year one.
67:46uh you know, Michael Wilson just had a really nice season. It's been it's been okay. Like for free, you would be happy
67:52to have had Wilson so far, but it's not uh something that was amazing. So, yeah, Bowling Green would be a guy uh
68:03with I mean, I I had to push back a bunch on the whole Bowling Green doesn't matter. His production straight up
68:10doesn't matter. And I think people tend to get, you know, I think I think it's hard to kind of live in the gray on this
68:16type of stuff where it's like, yes, the Bowling Green element of Harold Fannon's profile was a red flag. Like, if he did
68:22that at Georgia, we would be like, this is the greatest tight end prospect we've ever seen. Uh, who cares if he's duckfooted? He just
68:31did this at Georgia. I have no questions. His production is is insane.
68:35Uh, so yeah, I mean you do want to downweight it for that level of competition, but then you don't you don't throw it out. I think a lot people
68:42like to throw out stuff. I think it makes things cleaner. It's cleaner to think through things when you get to throw out entire parts of, you know, a
68:50question. Don't got to think about that part anymore. Threw it out. Uh, so for Hurst, you know, I think it's it's
68:56similar in that you do have uh level of competition questions. It's not similar in that he's not like one of the most
69:02productive wide receivers of all time the way Harold Fannon was one of the most productive tight ends of all time.
69:06So, it's just a it's a difference in kind of starting point. I don't I don't have the same unbridled enthusiasm that
69:11I have for Fannon because the profile is just not as strong for Hurst, but it is intriguing.
69:17Christian Watson was an insane producer at uh North Dakota State. That's actually not even true. in his early seasons he was late and he was very
69:25efficient late. But kind of to make your point stronger I would say is we had like an incomplete resume on Christian
69:33Watson and it was really a bet on like pretty late production at a small school and very very good athleticism.
69:44That was enough. You know it won't be enough in a lot of cases. These are kind of more boom bust bets, but it is uh you
69:52know, it is something to consider as far as the range of outcomes on these types of players.
69:58Yeah, Michael Wilson helped me get to the finals last year for BBM, my round 18th pick.
70:04Some of these uh third rounders I do think you want to kind of keep in the back of your mind for future seasons.
70:10You know, the guys who burn you but then still have roles. Uh, Michael Wilson never really burned people, but he just
70:17wasn't awesome. Uh, but regardless, I think, you know, we're gonna see some of these guys not really do much and still
70:27be slated for for roles in in year two.
70:29And if they stay basically free, those are players to still keep in mind.
70:36Yeah. Well, I'm saying I'm saying Michael Wilson last year, which I believe was his third year, uh, broke out
70:46Uh, should we be considering uh drafting Damen Martinez over Marshon Lloyd as the Green Bay backup running back? Jacobs looked kind of dusty toward the end of
70:56season last year. I would definitely say um you know this is what training camp is for for me is is right now I don't
71:04think we should, but I am also open to change my mind quickly on that. Uh, for sure more argument about the the pedigree
71:17stuff. I mean, I again I think the pedigree stuff kind of it just creates you're always going to have a low floor
71:23with that kind of profile, especially with non- elite draft capital, but you're also going to have, you know, and third round is good, not great draft
71:30capital. But, you know, you don't want to you don't want to discount the the idea of a ceiling either. All right, let
71:36me get over to the legup Discord where there's some good questions and I've got about 15 minutes to answer those. Throw
71:42throw questions in on the chat as well.
71:45Um, we had, you know, hype. Oh, no. There was a good question here that I actually used for the thumbnail
71:56uh asking about the one player that you could have uh that you could if you could know the
72:06stat line of one player. Okay, here it is. might be a better question for ADP chasing, but Zayn said, "If you could
72:11know one stat line from the season right now, it either be Parker Washington or Brian Thomas Jr., what would your answer
72:17be?" I think mine would be Bowowers because I would get the chance to just draft the crap out of Bowers or just
72:23never draft him again. And I think he is the type of player that this season like could really be about. But then also
72:30knowing that that's definitely not true.
72:32And uh taking other second round picks when there's a lot of second round picks I like uh would would probably be the
72:39way I'd go. But but curious for for your guys answers on that one. [snorts] Um, let's see.
72:54In hypothetical thetical version of the sidekick that was portfolio, exposures, combinations, etc., how much would that information shape recommendations or would still be pretty similar to the
73:03current product? That's more of a shady question. I guess what I'd say is like we've talked a lot about this stuff with
73:08Shady and he seems pretty comfortable getting in a lot of volume with the way we have it now. So, uh I'm not sure it
73:16would change a ton, but uh I I'll kind of defer to Shady uh in the next that is a good question for for Shady.
73:25Hopefully, we can get that in front of him pretty soon. Um all right.
73:34when leveraging the sidekick but not doing top guy. How do you keep yourself engaged and not fall into top guy? I
73:40just look at the team and then how that player would fit into the team. And so that's to me where theformational tags
73:45of like teammate, quarterback and and I look at, you know, can I push a guy? Can I if I if I take this guy here, you
73:54know, are there let's let's say it's like there's the recommendations are running back. I'll give you like it'll be like Aaron Jones,
74:05Khalil Shakir, and then uh Jordan Mason, uh or let me let me say it's Conpsion for more fun, but it's like Aaron Jones,
74:14uh Conpsion, and then like a bunch of running backs. And I need a running back. Maybe I got like three running
74:20backs, but I could also use a receiver.
74:23And Sidekick likes Aaron Jones the most, but I'm picking at the end of the round.
74:29And then I'm going to be picking, you know, I'm out of the 10 hole, let's say.
74:32So, there's going to be a wrap where I Jones could get sniped, but Mason is also there. And Mason, I think, is going
74:40to flip Jones at ADP pretty soon. And so, it's like, well, if I want Jones, I have Mason for cover. I've got some
74:45other running back cover. And then, if I end up with like Chris Rodriguez or Jordan Mason or, you know, one of these
74:52other running backs, then I still would get that guy. That might be a spot where I might IB to the receiver, especially
74:58if it's a guy I am kind of willing to IKB to like a Casey Conpsion. So, that would be one way I'd play it, you know,
75:04where I'm like, "Okay, uh, this is helpful to see what the Sims are saying, but I'm going to go slightly different
75:10off of that and ultimately try to get both players that are sitting here right at the top of the sidekick. I'm going to
75:16I'm taking first and I'm going to try to uh have a running back come back, but I feel like these running backs are fairly
75:23close.
75:24And so if I don't get Jones, you know, the consolation prize for me, you know, I I think I'll feel pretty good about
75:32uh but yeah, I think just kind of like tracking how the the team is coming together and what I can do uh in that
75:39specific room to make the best possible team is is kind of what I'm thinking through.
75:44Uh assume you had only access to last season's data, how would you approach back testing the sidekick with such a low sample size? So we are not back
75:53testing things in that sense. This is a forwardlooking uh projection
76:02where we are simming out the 2026 NFL season uh based on what we expect these players to do this season. So it's not
76:10using anything like you know oh you know five running backs through X rounds like that is that stuff breaks down quick
76:18even with you know like oh you only have last year's sample you only have like four years of I mean imagine in week
76:24five you were like it's week five and we know for sure that you can't play two tight ends with salaries you know above
76:32the in DFS like I don't think that would work very well so we're not doing that. Um and that that kind of eliminates back
76:43testing questions in the sense that you're asking it. Uh you know we are looking at our own accuracy of predicting things.
76:53Uh but that's I think a different question than the one asked here.
76:59What are some positional battles or specific players that you're watching closer than others in the first few weeks of training camp? The ambiguous
77:06backfields are kind of top of list for me. you know, the Washington backfield, the Tennessee backfield. Is Singleton in the mix? Are we hearing reports of, you
77:15know, their tight end four looking or their their running back four looking interesting? Are we hearing Robert Henry's name a lot? That sounds bad for
77:22Kron Allen, right? Uh, Green Bay, that's not an ambiguous starter, but you know what? The starter might miss some games this year. Who's
77:31the backup? That guy could matter. the 49ers running back too behind uh Christian McCaffrey is definitely one that jumps out. Uh the Colts RB2, I'm
77:43I'm not sure who that is. Just like literally stuff I can learn by like who's repping with the ones? It's two
77:50days in. Who's been repping with the ones? Like that is kind of lowhanging fruit for me.
77:55So yeah, that's definitely probably the biggest thing. I'm trying to learn depth chart stuff. The Giants wide receiver room is an interesting one for sure. The
78:03Dolphins wide receiver room is a really interesting one. Uh the Chargers tight end room, you know, how are those guys repping with the ones? There's been a
78:10lot of debate about that. Uh you know, kind of in Jooku and Colar has become the the real polarizing part of it. I
78:15think most people think generally similar things about Gadston.
78:20He'll have a role. He won't dominate uh snaps, but what if he's dominating snaps? That would be that would be obviously an interesting shift in in
78:28kind of our overall perception of that tight end room. So, the more ambiguous it is, the more interested I am.
78:34Obviously, the Browns quarterback run uh is going to be one of those. But, yeah, I think uh and then some of these
78:41rookies, these rookies kind of hitting the ground running or or not having a huge role. That doesn't necessarily doom them if they don't have a huge role
78:49right away. You know, Justin Jefferson infamously behind Ola BC Johnson in week one, but I would prefer if they're looking really good and and starting to
78:58have a role right away.
79:00Is the market reaction to the Chimera contract ridiculous or am I faded? I'm seeing ETN going late round four, but didn't Chimera take a restructuring to
79:08get paid less. We already knew Chimera was on the team when he was being drafted round three. I didn't think Chimera was or I didn't think ETN was a
79:16great pick where he was going. Um, we tend to like the running backs in that kind of round three, round four range,
79:21but he was the guy was actually kind of comfortable fading uh to an extent there.
79:27Uh, I I picked him as like the the bust of that group in a ship chasing or an ADP chasing thing we did a couple weeks
79:33ago and I think yeah I think the market kind of caught up to what we already had in there which is that Chimera is going to
79:40have some role you know he will uh and it looked pretty clear he was going to be around um not 100% but pretty clear
79:49looks 100% now uh and so you know I could see just justification in dropping ETM like a tad but the market seems to
79:57kind of almost woken up to something that that wasn't really baked in before.
80:01So, uh yeah, I am I'm definitely open to drafting ETN on the fourth now for sure.
80:08Uh I think nothing has really changed from a few weeks ago.
80:14What's your biggest miss you've had in your best career? Any lessons you took away from that?
80:20Uh, well, we talked about this was less baseball than, but I did I was doing a little baseball, but it's more high
80:28stakes. But when Justin Jefferson came out, I was pretty into Justin Jefferson as part of the late round one dynasty
80:39picks. And I have him on a number of teams still, you know, and he he's won this guy's won me Dynasty championships,
80:47but I preferred Jaylen Ragger like straight up. Un like fortunately, so did the market in Dynasty. And so you uh you
80:56just got Jefferson. If you had if you thought the class was good, you were kind of overall right about the class
81:03and you're you trading in getting extra picks and drafting these guys and kind of playing it like a volume game. Like
81:09this 2020 receiver class is awesome. I want, you know, more than one of these guys. Jerry Judy, you know, was going in
81:16that late first round. There's a bunch of guys there and I was drafting a lot of them. But then when it came to
81:22reddraft, it was, you know, Rager and Jefferson and I was taking Rager and we didn't really draft Justin Jefferson. It was
81:29obviously a smash and Rager was an epic bust.
81:32And so to me, it wasn't so much like, hey, the lesson is get better at prospecting. Um although I have tried to
81:39do that. But the lesson really is like if you think both these guys are good, it's just really dumb to just like draft
81:45only one of them when you think both are good and getting tied to like very specific, you know, outcomes that feel like you
81:53just you see it in your head like it's going to be so awesome, dude. It's going to be so awesome. I don't even want to
81:57think about what happens when this doesn't happen cuz that doesn't feel awesome anymore because I've I'm starting to double and triple down on
82:04something. So just not doing that and and being able to like I like Travis Hunter a lot where he goes. I like Omar
82:10Cooper where he goes. I have over 20% of both of them. And that previous version of me might have like you know like o 35
82:20you know 10 or something and being willing to mix up those bets I think is just so key.
82:28Any concern with Jeremy Bernard being behind Russell Wilson? Uh Wilson has been glued to Rogers hip this offseason.
82:34He better be because I think that's the only way he gets on the field for an extended period of time. Not not really
82:38for that. I mean, that one that one is one where I'm just going to be like, you're telling me I get to bet against
82:42Roman Wilson again? Hell [laughter] yeah. You know, so I think Bernard is going to be more of an end of season
82:49play. Uh I don't expect him to have much of a role in the early weeks. I think that's okay at his price. Uh if he can't
82:55beat out Roman Wilson, he's not good.
82:59You know, and some of these rookies aren't good, but he was a second round pick. I would expect him to be good
83:02enough to beat out Roman Wilson.
83:05What are the odds that likely finishes at the number two tight end on his own team? I think because of touchdowns,
83:09it's it's live. I think he's one of the more overpriced tight ends in baseball, if not the most overpriced.
83:18Uh yeah, I'm curious about the projection for the Miami wide receiver room because I hardly ever see them. Uh but occasionally IKB to take stabs. the way
83:28we do it. You don't necessarily like we don't have to no one ha like if there's not a clear answer of who the right pick
83:37is. It's not like we have to give it to someone. You know what I mean? So right now the wide receivers is we're
83:45kind of like a we don't really know sort of situation cuz there's enough of these guys and it's not clear that there is
83:52going to be a winner there from a fantasy perspective because the passing game could be super low volume and then you have Greg Doulich and you have Achan
84:00uh and then you also have the potential for it to be like the answer is two outwell for 3 weeks you know like and
84:07then he goes away so it could be kind of like yeah there was some production here, but it was spread out over the
84:11course of multiplayers over various points of the year. Um, but Douglas is starting to make a little bit of a mini
84:18mini drum beat, and I'm definitely I'm definitely listening on that.
84:23Uh, and I've seen him pop up. I think he was on the 555 near the top at the end.
84:28He didn't make it. Oh, he is. Okay, so he is currently at the top of the Sidekick right now. The draft is over,
84:36but he is at the top. Um, all right. Oh, yeah. Travis Hunter after Isaac Tesla. That seems genuinely insane. It sure does. Sure does. This
84:47guy, like literally like we went last year from Travis Hunter is going to go to the Hall of Fame and who is Isaac
84:54Tesla? That's where we were like draft day. Draft day. We're like, wait, who who did the Lions just trade up for? And
85:01now we're taking Tesla ahead sometimes.
85:06Seems nuts, seems crazy. I'm drafting Travis Hunter. [snorts] All right, I'm going to recap this team and then jump over to ADP Chasing. Hope to see you
85:13over there one last time. This team at quarterback, Patrick Mahomes, Bo Knicks, Michael Pennix did not stack the quarterbacks, but we've got some team
85:21level bets going. Bree Hall, Javvante Williams, Bucky Irving, Trevon Henderson uh at running back uh in those first early rounds and then tacked on Taj
85:31Spears and Tyler Algier. And then we have CD Lamb for our second Cowboy. Uh ended up tacking on Ferguson for a third
85:38later. AJ Brown for our second Patriot with Henderson. Mai Lemon. Debo Samuel could be a second someone. You know, we'll see where he lands. Uh Calvin
85:48Ridley uh as our second Titan actually with Taj Spears. Ted Hurst as our second Buck. Troy Franklin stacked with with Bo
85:56Nicks. I said we didn't stack them and in a way we didn't but uh yeah Troy Franklin technically single stack there.
86:03Jacobe Lane and uh that that's the receivers there got up to eight. So three quarterbacks, six running backs, eight receivers. Then the three tight
86:12ends, Harold Fannon, Jake Ferguson, and Mark Andrew. So actually two Ravens, three Cowboys. Uh so there was some interesting like team level correlation
86:24happening here. It wasn't really with the quarterbacks other than the the Knicks Franklin stack, but thank you for uh Greg Rewind. Hope you hope you check
86:34it out. It was a fun one. I I multitabled an eliminator in a 555. Um all right, I'll see you guys over on the
86:42ship chasing channel for ADP Chasing here shortly. Should be a fun episode there. Davis is going to be able to join
86:47us, he said, after uh taking some vacation. So Davis will be back in the saddle. It'll be a fourman show. Uh,
86:54hope to see you there and uh, thanks for watching. If you want to check out the sidekick, legendaryite.comsidekick.
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87:07Later.