0:00Today we are breaking down the 10 biggest questions facing the tight end position ahead of the 2026 fantasy football season with one of the best in
0:07the business people. Fantasy points Ryan Heath. If you have not been following this man and just reading any one of his
0:13incredible articles throughout this off seasonason, you are missing out because your league mates probably are. So go ahead and get on that. But Ryan, great
0:19to talk to you, man.
0:20>> Hey, awesome to talk to you, man. Yeah, really excited to break down some tight ends today. Uh really excited to just
0:26talk ball. I'm so into it. I'm so ready for the season. Let's do it.
0:30>> Amen. Dude, maybe just, you know, not completely overreacting to every single drop in training camp. Look, we're both excited football is bad, too, Ryan. But
0:38I'm not going to completely let our last six months of research, you know, just be overdone by one or two clips we see
0:43out there. Is that is that reasonable?
0:45>> Yeah, I'd say that's reasonable. I I I got pretty mad about it online yesterday. Uh people can go look at my
0:52tweet storm about Marvin Harrison Jr.
0:54and people fading Jamar Chase as a rookie for dropping balls in training camp if if they're curious on my thoughts on that. But yeah, I I'm just
1:01ready to talk about our our actual research and what we've actually seen players do on the field in the NFL.
1:07>> Amen to that, man. Again, Ryanj Heath over in the old Twitter sphere. Again, one of the best guys you could be
1:13following out there. But let's go ahead and get into the tight end position because, as we know, a lot of different
1:17routes you can go. We're drafting running backs and wide receivers all over the course of any given draft, but especially in our home leagues, guys,
1:23really can't again just make or break our overall strategy based on what we want to do at tight end. And the first
1:28big question we accordingly got to ask ourselves, Ryan, round two, Brock Bowers in this economy. Cuz look, we all love Brock Bowers. Okay, I don't think that's
1:35up for debate, but it's just like how do you feel about your roster when you're actively using a round two pick on a on
1:40a tight end? So, how do you feel about drafting Brock Bowers as early as round two this year?
1:45Uh, so I'll just kind of start like philosophically in terms of what should you be thinking about if you're going to
1:53draft a tight end in round two. Uh, like a avoiding the Brock Bowers question. To me, you need to be so confident that
2:00this guy whose name you're clicking is going to straight up outscore all of the running backs and the wide receivers that you could draft them around. Uh, it
2:08is just not true in the leagues that most people play in. uh whether it's two wide receivers, three wide receivers, uh
2:16non-tight end premium scoring, running backs and wide receivers are just as scarce as tight ends are at the top.
2:22They give you more value of a replacement than tight ends. And tight ends have higher hit rates in the later rounds than any other position. So, it's
2:30a really high bar that I think you need to overcome to click a Brock Bowers in round two. Uh I'm open to it. It's I
2:40like Bowers as a player. I am like in a vacuum. I like the case for him in this Clint Koviaak offense. I think the
2:47Raiders could really take a step forward overall offensively this year. Uh we saw Bowowers average over 16 fantasy points per game if you just remove when he was
2:57playing uh with the brace on his knee last year in in those handful of games that he was playing injured. So, I agree
3:04like he has the upside that to be worthy of a round two pick. I'm just not selecting him over running backs that I
3:11think are going to outscore him. So, some examples of that are a Chase Brown, a Derk Henry, a Ken Walker. Uh,
3:18depending on like your site, a lot of these home league sites especially, at least one of those running backs goes after Brock Bowers in those ADPs. So, in
3:26that scenario, no, I'm not clicking Bowers uh ahead of any of those backs. I don't want to forego the more valuable
3:32position there for guys that I think have similar just fantasy point per game upside. Uh but yeah, I I mean I've been
3:39clicking some vows like in baseball where you've been able to get him after most of those running backs most of the
3:44summer. I'm not like principally opposed, but that that's like really my kind of line in the sand.
3:49>> We have that. Again, I've been calling with the great wall of RBs that kind of goes around that round one, round two
3:54turn. Obviously, you know, pretty much consensus top six wide receivers with Jedha and CD Lamb usually being gone.
4:00So, I'm with you where it does seem like mid to late round two is that sweet spot for Bowers. Using pick 13 or 14 or
4:07something like that, man is going to be leaving an awfully good running back, you know, for one of your league wings
4:11to go ahead and scoop up there. So, I haven't thrown around this super Bowers draft strategy, man, where ideally we get one of these again top four, I would
4:20say, running backs, our Gibbs, our Bejon, our JT or our CMC, and then we loop back around to the later stages of
4:26round two to get Brock Bowers. How realistic is that going to be to be able to pull off? I think in a higher stakes
4:31draft, probably not. But again, man, it's one of these things where I feel like we always push back in home league
4:36ADP because it's like, who's drafting?
4:37Well, we're about to get into August, man. So, at some point, we got to start paying more attention to the fine folks
4:42over at ESPN, Yahoo, and Sleeper.
4:44>> Yeah, 100%. It's like it it's a tough thing for me, especially this time of year, because I I especially in August,
4:50I want to write my content toward the platforms that most people are drafting on, right? Right now, most people aren't drafting, but they're about to be
4:57drafting on all those platforms. The ADP will look like that for at least a couple of weeks. So, yeah, it it's
5:03really hard to kind of balance uh exactly what you're talking about there, which is why I just gave that sort of
5:09wishy-washy answer on Bowers. So, yeah, appreciate us clarifying that.
5:14>> It was uh you know, interesting. Again, I like the stat where without the brace last year, he still averaged north of 16
5:19fantasy points per game. And that's kind of where I've come around with Genty a little bit as well. Everything went wrong last season. The injuries to
5:26Bowowers, the injuries just again, not even injuries, I guess across the offense, just them absolutely sucking and firing Chip Kelly before the end of
5:32November. I mean, everything that could have gone wrong did go wrong. And you look up and Bowowers was still pretty freaking awesome when he was out there.
5:39Genty, you know, didn't live up to his top 10 expectations, but still kind of a mid-tier RB2. I did look at the number
5:45of top 12 performers per game. Not trying to be that guy. On a bottom 10 scoring offense over the last decade,
5:51there's only been four quarterbacks.
5:53There's been 14 running backs, 12 wide receivers, 24 tight ends, though. Man, it does seem like this position is a little bit more able to deal with bad
6:01offenses. Or maybe the actual solution here is, you know, offenses that are feeding their tight ends enough to put up these sorts of numbers. Maybe that's
6:09not the best idea in the year 2026.
6:12>> Yeah, I I think there's truth to that, especially for like later t later round tight ends as you get down the board. uh
6:18especially the kind of like flex archetype tight ends like the passcatcher only types uh on the bad teams. Those are the ones that that's
6:27when those tight ends get on the field when they're in constant passing situations. Uh and especially when there aren't good receivers in the offense, it
6:34just forces more snaps to uh the I guess like the best version of this is like the Harold Fannon of the world. But like
6:42that entire archetype like beyond Harold Fannon, I I'm I kind of am looking for just offenses that are going to be
6:48constantly in trailing game scripts. So I do think that's like a legitimate point. Yeah.
6:52>> And obviously kind of the poster child for that last year, Mr. Trey McBride, who don't get it twisted, guys. I'm not
6:57saying he's a product of his offense or anything, but it helped last season. You know, all those injuries that helped out. Michael Wilson also did help out.
7:04Trey McBride certainly had plenty of chemistry with Jacobe Brassette leading the freaking league in pass attempts once he got under center as well. So,
7:10everyone seems to be doubting Tram McBride. I am as well. I'm actually ranking Coulson Lovelin ahead of him, which I fully understand. Ryan could
7:17make me look even more dumb than usual.
7:20You know, a short six months from now. I just don't want to use a round three pick on someone likely catching passes
7:25from Carson back in December. Is that fair?
7:29>> I think it is fair. Yeah. Honestly, um McBride is interesting for me because he's a player where you're tempted to
7:37say, "Well, we're overthinking this."
7:38like this guy was just awesome for the entire last year. We're all fading him now because we think that there won't be
7:46as much garbage time in the offense.
7:47Like it I don't know. It's one of those things where it makes me pause and say, "Hang on." Like, am I am I actually just
7:53overthinking this entire thing? I don't actually think we are. I I am much more into basically any wide receiver in round three uh than Trey McBride. And
8:04part of that is I I legitimately think that Marvin Harrison Jr. being healthier this year uh is going to be a bigger
8:14part of the offense uh than he was in all of the games that he missed.
8:17Obviously, uh I don't think we're getting as much of like the two tight end sets, all of this heavy tight end
8:24usage where McBride gets to run routes against Elijah Higgins uh and wide receivers that you've never heard of for most of the season. and I don't think
8:33that's like what we're getting. So, I don't know. McBride to me is not Yeah, just not somebody I'm targeting, not somebody I'm looking to pay a round
8:40three price for.
8:42>> He is one of those guys where I kind of talk about there's fades that I feel good about. You know, TJ Hawinson last
8:46year, not to hurt myself, pat on my own back, but like it never scared me not drafting TJ Hawinson. It does scare me
8:52not drafting Trey McBride, man. So, again, it's a fade. I think we both realize how good the dude is though because again, you mentioned it before
8:58and it's a great point. If you are drafting these tight ends early, you got to be confident they can score with the
9:02wide receivers you're passing by. And over these past two seasons, if you do combine wide receivers and tight ends, Trey McBride is one of only seven
9:09players averaging north of 17 PPR points per game. The other part of it though, it's not just the garbage time stuff.
9:14It's the Lafleur Hackit partnership.
9:17Man, your pin tweet right now. Again, one of the best articles I've read all year about just all different new play
9:21callers coming in. Can you say something nice about Michael Lor and Nathaniel Hacket? Because I'm not sure I can.
9:27I definitely can't say anything nice about Nathaniel Hackett. You will not get that out of me. Uh Laflur I will defend a little bit in that yes while
9:37obviously the overall results with the Jets were not great the last time he was calling plays 2021 2022. Uh, but I will
9:46say when they got Zach Wilson out of there and he had a 12game sample of Mike White and Joe Flacco starting games, uh,
9:54they did average over 300 passing yards per game, which would have led the NFL last year. Uh, Laflur is very willing to
10:01I I think just go heavy drop back volume if it's required to have something close to a respectable offense. I have kind of
10:10argued like I don't think he wants to be the fall guy or the tank commander. Like he's already been the fall guy for a
10:15Zach Wilson. I I don't see the world where and and this is where it gets into Carson Beck a little bit too. I don't
10:23see the world where the Cardinals offense is good or at least like working and then they decide to throw Beck Beck
10:30in and it becomes bad. Like I I don't think uh Lafleur is going to stand for that necessarily. This is like his
10:36chance to be a head coach. I I don't know that we should just assume, oh, Carson Beck is coming in in week eight
10:42and then no one will score fantasy points in this offense for the rest of the season. So, that's maybe like one
10:47piece that I'd fight back against cuz I I don't think any NFL coach like wants to be the the tank guy, the fall guy.
10:54So, I don't know that just things swirling around my mind. For me, that's more relevant for like a Marvin Harrison Jr. who's much cheaper uh than for a
11:02McBride. But, yeah, that's just kind of where I'm at.
11:06>> It is. And you can argue I am overthinking it because a sim similar sentiment with Bree Hall and Garrett Wilson. I'm thinking Kate Clubnick could
11:12be out there on the field, you know, in December with the Cardinals. I I'm with you. If Brvet was out there for the full
11:18season and we had reason to believe that was going to be the case and maybe we do to your point.
11:23>> Okay, I'm just looking at this schedule, bro. I have not seen more Hellacious first 12, 13 weeks of the year. Again,
11:29guys, Chargers, Seahawks, NerS, that's not great at the Giants. That will probably be like the tightest spread they have of this stretch after that.
11:38Lions, Rams, Broncos, Cowboys, Seahawks, Rams, Chiefs, Commanders, and Eagles.
11:43That is miserable, man. But but but if we can make it past that, Jets, Saints, Raiders in the fantasy playoffs pretty
11:50nicely.
11:52>> Yeah. Yeah, it could be worse for sure.
11:54And and it's true like the schedule is awful. I that take is everywhere that Yeah. How is Brassette possibly going to
12:01make it through this? And I hear that.
12:03I'm not saying that there's no validity to that theory. I I just do think that the the assumption that Beck is coming
12:12in to tank and also that he's 100% going to be terrible, I I think is like where I just push back a little bit. But yeah,
12:19I I totally hear you.
12:21>> I would feel better about Beck if we knew that his elbow was back to 100%. If you guys do go back and watch again kind
12:26of the first year that he was a starter at Georgia, hey, he was at the top of those way too early. You know, number
12:32one overall pick mock drafts as well, guys like Clubnick and you know, other dudes as well. Nusmire out of OSU who
12:37certainly have not, you know, put their best foot forward either. But, you know, I swear guys, I'm just trying to say
12:42nice about car say something nice about Carson Beck because Ryan, anytime I start going too hard against guys who have beat my Buckeyes, you know, people
12:47start whispering behind me and I certainly get it. Let's talk about the guy who I do have again ran ahead Trey
12:53McBride. Holston freaking love him, man.
12:55I believe it was 21 additional more targets than the next closest Bears receiver over the course of their final four games last year. He took over that
13:03offense. If you're a starter him in your fantasy championship, you were feeling great. When I'm looking at this landscape right now, I'm pretty sure
13:09he's a consensus tight end three in dynasty land. Okay. But if he balls out this year, we're going to be looking at
13:15it's like Bowowers Mendoza, McBride, and who knows Beck probably not Jacobe or Lovelin Caleb Williams. I think there's a chance, Ryan, that we could be looking
13:24at Coastal Level as a consensus Dynasty tight end one this time next year. What do you say?
13:29>> Yeah, I think it's entirely possible.
13:31I'm totally with you. I've had in Dynasty especially, I've I've had the take that I think Lovelin should be very close to McBride uh for most of the
13:39offseason. Uh yeah, to me he just is kind of the better version of the like the Luther Burden bet that people are
13:49really excited like excitedly wanting to make. Uh yeah, from week 15 on Loveland led the team in targets per out run, led
13:57the team in fantasy points per outr run on a much higher route participation rate than Luther Burton had over this period. I've made the argument for most
14:06of the summer that yeah, I think Lovelin should just be selected ahead of Luther Burden. That's not the case on every
14:12platform and in every format right now and it hasn't been throughout the summer. Uh I'm waffling a little bit in terms of like I look at like ESPN,
14:21Coulson Love's going ahead of T. Higgins and I'm like I don't know if I can go quite that far. Uh but yeah, he's
14:27definitely the just at at an aggregate of like all the ADPs around every platform. He's the early round tight end. I'm the most interested in
14:36drafting. Uh I also like that he has kind of the insulation uh relative to the Bears wide receivers of I I think there's like a real chance
14:47that he leads all Bears pass catchers in routes this year. I I know that that was like the whole issue last year was Cole
14:53Kett's on the field way too much. Uh Leland isn't playing a full-time role until week 15 or so, but the Bears
15:00really are built to run a ton of multi-tight end sets this year. They have not replaced DJ Moore with any like
15:08serious wide receiver three option. I know I know we're excited about Zavon Thomas and there but that like in itself tells me, yeah, this should be like a 12
15:17personnel team uh or even a 13 personnel team with with Sam Rous that they drafted, right? So to me it it's like
15:25Lovelin was averaging over four yards per out run and a 50% receiving yards market share when the Bears were in these heavy multi-tight end sets at the
15:33end of last year. So there there's a chance that like the offense just looks like that from week one going forward.
15:40And yeah, Lovelin's a total rocket ship in that scenario. So yeah, he's definitely the, as I said, the early round guy that I'm most amanable to. uh
15:49that I I'm probably clicking the most on average.
15:53>> So if you are in your home league draft and you can just pretty much you know the fantasy football genie taps you on
15:59the shoulder and it's like you can either get Brock Bars at the end of round two or Coulson Loveven at the end
16:03of round four. You think it's just kind of a better bill to go ahead and get Lovelin.
16:06>> Yeah. Yeah. I'm taking Lovelin there every time is my is my choice. Yep.
16:11>> Hell to that. Yeah. And it's a great point on just looking at the wide receiver three because I've I thought
16:15about that a lot with the Raiders just thinking like why are we going to be expecting Jack Bash or you know Jaylen
16:20Naylor got paid trade Tucker but you know I'm trying to just paint some sort of good scenario for all my Michael
16:25Mayer you know dynasty bags that we're just you know going down with the ship with >> you're right though Khalif Raymond
16:30Xavian Thomas they're part-time gadget players why should we expect them to be out there full-time if it'll be coming at the expense of someone like Coulson
16:37Lovelin. Obviously Cole KT not the most talented pass catcher in the world but also not a complete zero in that area.
16:43And we did see last year man already plenty of instances of trying to think is it the nub tight end or whatever like
16:48they would legit line up Lovelin out wide on his own side kind of in the boundary and just let him route up
16:53safeties because guess what? No one can cover this dude.
16:57>> Yeah. Yeah. That's like what's so amazing about him and why he like fits kind of all these multi-tight end sets
17:04so well is Yeah. He's he's a tight end, but he he can route anybody up as if he was a wide receiver essentially. So that
17:10it's kind of just like a cheat code on offense if you have that guy. So yeah, ve very much with you. Big Coulson
17:16Lovelin fan here fan here.
17:18>> Consensus top three tight ends. We've talked about him. Tyler Warren though, I do wonder, man, we talked about this with the Mecca Ibuka. We're like, okay,
17:26first six weeks of last year, incredible and got some injuries, didn't finish strong down the stretch. We all know that. If you Benjamin Button that
17:32though, if we had a Booka's first six weeks being the last six weeks, oh my god, we'd be freaking out in fantasy
17:37land. Could you say there's something similar about Tyler Warren? Because I don't fault him for not getting going with Philip Rivers under center. They
17:43obviously had to try to keep him clean.
17:45Alec Pierce, this blows my mind, Alec Pierce was the only Colts player who averaged more fantasy points after Daniel Jones got injured last season,
17:52week 18 against Texans backups, Niners game, what have you. Are we underrating Tyler Warren's chances though of just maybe finishing as the overall tight end
18:00one?
18:02>> I think there's a chance we are. Um, but I guess like my push back or the reason that I would be on a Lovelin at cost
18:08over a Tyler Warren at cost is a lot of Warren scoring and success early in the year really came off of like the play
18:17action in the RPO game when the Colts offense was uh leading the league in passing yards per game when they were
18:25like top they were top five in like red zone visits like the the offense was just working really well. And to me,
18:32Warren was kind of more of like a beneficiary of that than like a driver of that necessarily. I I think just the
18:40the way that they could that Jonathan Taylor could just run all over everybody. Uh the way that Jones was just so like dead awesome deadly for
18:49Daniel Jones in his career.
18:51>> I I I just think like all the play action RPO stuff like really kind of builds on that and Warren Yeah. great
18:58player to get the ball in his hands in that way. I I I don't know that we saw him like I I guess I don't know how like
19:06legit that is in terms of yeah he was he alphaing Michael Pitman and Alec Pierce in like the sense that we typically say
19:13I don't really know. So he's one I'm a little bit cooler on but I'm certainly open to it. I mean his yeah up through
19:20when Jones got hurt his rookie season stats were pretty comparable to like a rookie season Brock Bowers. I think that's like a totally fair comparison to
19:28make. If you want to argue like, yeah, in year two he could get way better and take over all of this intermediate stuff
19:34that Michael Pitman's leaving behind. I I totally hear that and get that. I I think I'm just betting on Josh DS more
19:41so to do that. Uh but I I I like I hear it with Warren. I I like cheaper Josh Downs, though. I think
19:48>> I hear you on that one. I also do think and I I've been trying to make sure I do this with quarterbacks, but like it does
19:53make sense Tyler Warren had a hotter start than someone like Coulson Love.
19:56He's two years older. He spent five years at Penn State. I understand that he was being the backup to a lot of, you
20:01know, quality NFL tight ends. I'm not, you know, pushing back on Tyler Warren, the talent, but it's kind of like what
20:07Tyler Shuck, man, like he comes out last year and he, yeah, does really good things down the stretch, but like shouldn't the 25 26 year old quarterback
20:13be the pro ready dude we lot him as? Uh, just some food for thought there. Could this Colts offense suck, Ryan? Because I
20:20don't love the fact that our quarterback, who has not been good for the heavy majority of his career, is coming off a right Achilles tear. That
20:28didn't exactly happen in September. And I know he's going to be back in week one, man. But you had a great tweet
20:34about this talking about um Scataboo and Judkins and some of the guys come back from those injuries. I feel like we're
20:38just so obsessed with the timeline and it's like, "All right, they're going to be back week one. They're good to go." I
20:43don't know if they're going to be anywhere close to 100%, man. And if we are assuming that they're going to be
20:47and we're not even getting a discount with them in fantasy, like that's problematic for all these guys.
20:52>> Yeah, I'd agree. Uh I think honestly all of the cults aside from like Warren and Jonathan Taylor go late enough for me
21:00where I'm not like overly concerned about it. I'm kind of willing to take the chance of yeah maybe Jones can be at
21:0680% of his pre- Achilles self and that could be good enough. Uh but I think for Warren it's a bit of a concern. For
21:13Jonathan Taylor, I think it's a massive concern. Uh, as a guy with a round 18 ADP that did not live up to round one
21:21draft capital in any games where uh like those last two games when Jones was very injured or of course uh when Philip
21:28Rivers and the Colts were falling apart at the end of the year and not winning games. Taylor is such a game script
21:33sensitive running back. He is not that active in the passing game. very much relies on positive game script, being able to just get fed 25 carries so that
21:43he can break off these big plays. And he's great at it. He's amazing at it.
21:47But to me, not that different of a bet than a Derrick Henry or than a Ken Walker uh that go around later, right,
21:55on better teams with higher Vegas win totals. So, I that's like I I totally hear you on the point you made you make
22:03on maybe the Colts suck. But I think like the takeaway is I'm fading Jonathan Taylor in round one this year.
22:08>> It is a good point. Again, it's kind of when I have had push back for drafting the Cardinals and Jets early. It also
22:13goes with the caveat like, hey, Omar Cooper is a round one talent. Okay, if you want to take him late, I can live
22:18with that because it certainly seems like the bad offense is more than baked into it. You mentioned Josh Downs real quick and I'm just kind of wondering as
22:24a whole because the Bears for example, I know we didn't quite get into this, but it does help that their passing game
22:30should very much be centered around Lovelin Burden and Dunes. I'd be very surprised if anyone else is going to have, you know, a high target share
22:36there. And Indie, assuming Pierce is okay for week one, which I think he will be. I just don't love the fact that this
22:41angle thing happened so late. If it's Pierce, DS, and Warren, that's great. We do have these unc free agent wide receivers hanging out. If we do see a
22:49Keenan Allen, a Stefon Diggs, or a Debo Samuel added to this situation, is that could be concerning for your Josh DS
22:55bags.
22:57>> Uh, I think somewhat. Yeah, it's so I I think DS is a great player on his own accord like or at least all of his pro
23:05route data for years and years tells you that. Uh but yeah, so much of the bet with DS this year is that he's going to
23:13play in two receiver sets because they just have nobody else, right? That hasn't been the case throughout his career. He has hardly ever played in two
23:21receiver sets, been pretty much exclusively an 11 personnel type of receiver. I think he can play outside. I think he can do it in two receiver sets.
23:30I don't know that the Colts are going to do that. Uh if they do sign a Stefon Diggs or a Debo Samuel or a Keenan
23:37Allen, honestly, all of those guys kind of profile as more like slot types too at this point in their careers. So may
23:44maybe there's still like an argument to be made. Uh but yeah, I think if they sign another guy, that's a signal that
23:50maybe they aren't uh as happy with Downs on the outside or they want to be able to rotate that a little bit more. So
23:57that would legit affect my opinion of it just because yes, what I'm really chasing is that he's going to run the
24:04most routes of his career by far.
24:07>> And yeah, it's not ideal at a minimum.
24:08I'm not saying you have to fade Josh Downs because of it. But it is funny when we get these signings happen and
24:13people always try to be the contrarian in the room and go, "No, actually adding someone with, you know, a history of
24:18earning targets this offense is a good thing for everyone involved, guys." So appreciate you there. Those are the big four early round tight ends that you
24:25have to use like meaningful draft capital on in more leagues than not. If you guys are trying to wait again another, you know, 20, 30, 40 picks
24:32sometimes. We see them go outside of top 100 depending on your format. Cal Pitts, Tucker Craft, Sam Leaporta, Harold Fannon. Choose your fighter Ryan. If you
24:40are going to be going out to more of a mid-round tight end, which one of which one of these guys would you like to come
24:43away with?
24:45>> Very easily my favorite is Sam Leaporta.
24:48Uh he's going to be like a flag plant for me this year. I think I I kind of don't get why we're drafting him so much
24:57several rounds later than we have throughout his entire career. I he has been excellent any time that he has played a full-time role in any games
25:07over his career that he's been above a 75% route share. He's averaged 15.9 fantasy points per game, which would easily have been the tight end two
25:17behind McBride last year. That's an 18game sample. This is not like cherry-picking that. That's just like any game that he was healthy and played
25:25the whole game effectively, right?
25:27>> Uh and also in that same split, he is either tied with or just ahead of Jameson Williams in targets per out run
25:36in target share in all pro route stats.
25:39Like we we are drafting Jameson Williams right now as if he's the clear number two option for the Lions. I don't think
25:45that's true at any time that Sam Leaport is healthy and on the field. not been the case uh really at any point that
25:52they've both been healthy. So to me, I think Laaporta is just this underrated piece of the offense that has the highest implied Vegas point per game
26:01total of any team this year. They're expected to score the most points uh by Vegas Lions. Uh we have this history of
26:09upside with Leaporta when he's fully healthy and on the field. Uh and we have uh new offensive coordinator Drew Petting coming in. who has had Trey
26:20McBride above that 75% route share in each of his last 29 games. I just think that the tight end routes and the total
26:28tight end usage in this offense could be higher than we've been accustomed to.
26:32So, all of that just compounds into Leaporta's running more routes. He's commanding more targets than Jameson Williams at that time when he is. Uh,
26:41and yeah, he's a guy mo more than probably any of the names you just mentioned that could easily have like the outlier touchdown type of season uh,
26:49in this offense. So, yeah, easily Leaporta for me. My favorite kind of middle like latestish round target at tight end.
26:57>> Checks the offense. We've seen him produce. I just hope the back is okay. I know he's avoiding pup to get there. I
27:03just don't love when these guys have to back surgeries and I know Titans got that dog in them and they'll be able to
27:08push through it and everything.
27:10I hesitate to even bring this up. It's probably nothing, Ryan. I don't want to pretend like I'm, you know, I don't have
27:15sources. I'm not an insider guys who has all these sources and then the second the news comes out, I then tell you guys
27:20I knew all along. But every once in a while, some of you DM me some interesting things that I do appreciate.
27:25Buddy of mine was hanging out in Irons, Michigan, middle of nowhere. He said some Lions coaches were parting at the campground. All them raving about JO. OC
27:33likes to take some deep shots. Weirdly, they weren't high on their team. This was interesting, though. The tight end coach was apparently concerned about
27:39Laaporta being healthy. Again, he avoided the pup. It's probably nothing.
27:45That's the only thing that I see where it goes wrong though, Ryan. It's Sam Laaporta coming back from the back injury and just looking like a show of
27:51himself. I don't think we can assume that's going to be the case or anything, but like I think if that is the only
27:56thing we're worried about and he looks good out there, all right, all wheels go.
27:59>> Yeah. No, I I mean I'd agree that could certainly derail this, but I I'd also say like Tucker Craft's coming back from
28:05an ACL. like we've we have [laughter] lot we have lots of guys like this. Um I think you I get to a point in drafts
28:11with Leaporta where it's like I'm I'm kind of willing to take the risk and also he has amazing contingent upside as
28:19well maybe more so than any other tight end. Like either one of Aman Ross St.
28:23Brown or Jameson Williams get injured.
28:24Sam Leaport's weekly projection goes up by three to four points. Right. I and that's not as I don't think that's like
28:31as direct for every every tight end in the league to where you have multiple like easy outs like that. So he Yeah,
28:38he's someone that I I'm in on if the if the back is what kills me, so be it.
28:43>> I tend to also feel good about just having someone like Dan Campbell leading the charge because John Morton didn't work out last year. He obviously lost
28:50his play calling duties halfway through the year. What happened? Campbell took over. like it would be different somewhere where we have more of a
28:56defensive minded head coach and we don't have that worst case, you know, play caller to take over if Drew Pson isn't
29:00going to be that guy. I tend to think Pson is just fine. You know, again, I've said before, I'll say again my two
29:06favorite like, you know, real life ball knowers out there, Nate Tyson, Benjamin Solic, like they both rave about some of the things that Pson can do
29:11schematically. Again, with your play caller piece, do you have some similar takeaways? Because I know the Cardinals weren't lighting up scoreboards, but the
29:18run game was really good in 2023 and 2024 especially, and you know, we did get Yeah. a lot of Ben Garber's time,
29:23but still some pretty good production from Jacobian and company last year, which I don't think should be completely taken for granted.
29:29>> Oh, yeah. No, Ping's run game is one of the most impressive in the NFL to me over the last couple of seasons. Uh, by
29:36yards per carry, by EPA per rush, like any kind of rushing efficiency stat you want to look at, he is first or second
29:42in the NFL, uh, and only ever second to like Todd Monkin with Derrick Henry and Lamar Jackson, like that type of thing,
29:49right? it it yeah like with the personnel he's had he has done amazingly in the run game. Uh I've been less
29:56impressed by his passing games and like the just the design of his offense. He hasn't used as much of like the under
30:03center play action like uh motion like all the play calling cheat codes. I think you can put some of that on Kyler
30:09Murray potentially. And I think you can also look at this Lions team. Look at Jared Goff, uh, who is one of the
30:17quarterbacks that has like used the motion at the snap like the most effectively of anyone in the league. Dan Campbell, who's been like an advocate of
30:26that for years and years and years. And I think you can pretty pretty easily say this is could this could be like a
30:31really effective marriage basically between a Petting and a Dan Campbell. I think Campbell's probably going to be somewhat still involved in the offense
30:39and the overall vision. I I I just kind of think all of it can mesh together really well or at least I'm optimistic
30:45there. And yeah, as you said, if it doesn't work well, we have like that safety hatch of Dan Campbell's done it.
30:51He did it to John Morton. Uh and he did it in 2021 to was it Anthony Lynn? I think uh just yeah, taking over play
30:59calling mid-season, making the offense way better. Like that's always a safety hatch we have with these Lions players that I think is yeah, maybe a little bit
31:07underappreciated for all of them.
31:10Ryan said it. I I've seen both Vegas I've seen one sports book have Lions won. The other one I think they were
31:14three or whatever. But regardless, yeah, everyone expects the Lions to be really good. And why wouldn't you? Other than you can honestly say they've been the
31:21best, most consistent highscoring offense of the last half decade. I think the only team that would have an argument for that is the Buffalo Bills.
31:26And I feel even better about the Lions this year than the Bills. So certainly get going with Laaporta. Mention the Tucker Craft ACL. A little bit more
31:34going on. I hate when there is that comma ACL and this, but should be back by week one. I would like to think he's
31:40ready to go ahead and do his thing. I'm I'm curious, Ryan, because I did do a little bit of research myself. I'm
31:45looking at tight ends and their average target def because Craft and Fannon, even Leaporta last year, which surprised me. I didn't remember him having such a
31:51low uh average target defer, so I'm going to leave him out of the combo for now. But Craft and Fannon were
31:58very low. And they got that dog in them.
32:00I get it. These dudes are probably top two. Oh, I darn Washington there out of respect. But watching these guys with
32:06the football in their hand is so freaking fun, man. I feel like it's asking them to do so much though. When I
32:12went ahead and I look back at the truly elite, like the top three scoring tight ends every year. It was only I think
32:18George KD was the only guy with like a sub 6.5 average target depth that actually posted the top three season over the course of the last decade. Now
32:25Bowowers and McBride in 2024 were at like 6.6 and whatever. Um, again, in general though, do you think these lower AD dot tight ends maybe have less of a
32:36sky-high ceiling because we are trying to again, if we're using a top 80 pick on the guy like we would like someone
32:40that ideally can rip off that 15 plus fantasy point season.
32:45>> Yeah, that's an interesting angle. I I actually didn't realize Craft had such a low average depth of target last year.
32:50That's a bit surprising to me. Uh, but yeah, I do think there's something there that really matters, which is that just
32:56in general, tight ends are going to see on average are seeing less volume than wide receivers. So, the ones that hit
33:04like the super sky-high ceilings are very often the ones that are just very efficient on a perarget basis, even like also a per out basis, but a per target
33:13basis. like guys that can turn up the field and maximize every single opportunity they get just because it's a generally a lower sample of targets and
33:22opportunities, right? So, yeah, I really do care about the hyper efficiency for tight ends. Uh I would say Tucker Craft like checks that box for me in that he's
33:32just so special after the catch. uh like every single year for the last like five seasons, it's been either him or George
33:39KD that leads all tight ends in yards after the catch, per reception, uh yards per target, over expectation, like any of these like overexpectation, fancy ass
33:49efficiency stats Tucker Craft is just amazing in. Uh so he I'm not so concerned about that for him, but I I do
33:55think that's a legit thing uh in general where you you want the tight ends that can stretch the field especially. That's
34:02like such a rare skill for tight ends that can't like can pay off in in a big way. So yeah, I I I don't agree.
34:19At least they weren't asked to last season though. In Kyle Pittz's case, I think you could argue he was doing a
34:24little bit too much stretching the field earlier in his career, also dealing with the knee injury. And then last year, I
34:28thought they actually did a good job getting him some more layups. That said, wasn't exactly shaping up to be a breakout Kyle Pittzier until Drake
34:36London was out of that picture. We also saw Michael Penn leave the equation, Kirk Cousins come in, and really just Pepper's number one tight end, you know,
34:42throughout the second half of that season. So, I have not generally been drafting honestly this whole tier. I've been kind of doing Ricky Bobby first or
34:50last. you know, I'm either getting the Bowers or the Loveland or I'm just gonna be waiting till later rounds. Where are
34:55you at with Kyle Pittz? Because for me, I can't really get past the Drake London splits because not only are the splits
35:03like fantasy points, which is obviously, you know, the king and that's what we're trying to score. But the efficiency stuff and we're talking about Pitts
35:09going from one of the most efficient tight ends in the league to dirt just based on London being on the field.
35:15Yeah, I mean it's 10 fantasy points per game, tight end 17 uh in games that Drake London was in the lineup. Uh if
35:24you just look at the intermediate range of the field, uh so like between five and 15 yards for your depth of target,
35:32uh Drake when Drake London was off the field, Pitts's first read target share in those areas more than doubled. It was
35:39like 35% without London, which is like the Drake London role effectively, right?
35:44uh 14% from weeks 1 through 11 with London healthy. Uh he just effectively he went from not being involved there on
35:52like those kind of breadandbut like high value fantasy routes and targets to to being very involved on them for all of
36:00like three or four weeks. Yeah, I I am just not paying the Kyle Pitts price uh relative to a Leaporta or to a Tucker
36:08Craft where I I just think like the offense has a lot of upside that they can benefit from. I I just can't really
36:15see that with Pitts and the Falcons. I I'm very I'm big on Drake London this year. I I like him quite a bit just
36:21because he has uh been been like such an alpha target earner in so many situations throughout his career in so many different systems. I and has has
36:31been a good fantasy scorer. Anytime he's been healthy and that there's been like real pass volume in the offense. So, he's someone I'm in on. I I'm out on
36:38Kyle Pittz.
36:39>> It is one of those things where I don't doubt Drake London's talent. And look at Bejian Robinson. None of us are worried
36:44about the offensive system or the quarterbacks or anything like that.
36:47That's why we're drafting him inside the top two picks any draft. I do wonder, are we giving Kevin Stfansky and Tommy
36:53Reese a little bit too much credit for just giving prime Nick Chub the football a handful of years ago? because these
36:58Browns offenses have been rough, man. I know these guys. Look, I'm I'm an Ohio guy, all right? I've seen that Tim Couch
37:04jersey over the years where it's just one freaking new bad sag quarterback after another. But I don't think 2026 Duo and Penn are a good situation. I'm
37:15sure they'll both be fine by week one.
37:16These injuries going on, Cooper Rushing there. All right, that's some subject for another day. But that would just be my concern about London Pitts and even
37:23Bejon, man. Like I don't think the Falcons are going to be the worst offense in the league, but if we do look
37:28up in December and they're 30th in scoring, I don't think it should shock us, you know.
37:33>> Yeah, I I agree. Uh this is this in combination with all the praise I just gave to Drew Petting's run game is why
37:39Gibbs is like the clear 101 over Bejon to me.
37:43I will say just on I I agree there's definitely a world where we're giving these guys too much credit. I am really
37:50rooting for Michael Penn to win the job or to at least become the starter at some point in the season just because
37:57we've seen such great chemistry with him and Drake London. Uh London averages 20.6 fantasy points per game and 12 Michael Pennic starts over his career
38:06like that. That's just elite wide receiver one stuff. I'm willing to kind of throw out like the play caller and the system and all all of those
38:15considerations when I have just a split, an elite split like that. Uh but yeah, I mean it's it like makes me think a
38:23little when if if Tua is actually the favorite to be the week one starter. Uh it what if this is just like a total
38:31checkown bonanza to maybe only be Jean and London's left out to dry? That that enters my thinking like 5% when I'm
38:38touting Drake London. I like I I will give you that.
38:41>> I have London wide receiver nine. It was funny. I've been barking on Reddit a lot more. I actually love that community,
38:46man. They they keep you honest over in those streets. But uh and someone was like, "Why are you so low on Drake
38:51London?" I was like, I mean, wide receiver nine is not that low. Like I don't need to break out of the third
38:55hand or anything yet to start counting the guys. But I hear what you're saying.
38:59And in that 12game sample, like the 17 game target pace for Drake London with Michael Penn is 188. So, as much as I'm
39:06saying, yeah, maybe at the end of the year, they're 30th ranked scoring offense. We could also be in December, it's like a London has 15 more targets
39:12than the next closest wide receiver. So, certainly could see it going that way.
39:16Young baller target hog wide receivers just in general, man. Probably shouldn't be missing, you know, the forest retreats there. Don't be afraid to draft
39:23Mr. Drake London. We've gone through the early round tight ends, the middle round tight ends. Now, we kind of get to the
39:29late round group. Okay, so these aren't necessarily the order of ADP, but we do have these ank veterans. All right, we
39:35got Mark Andrews, we got George KD, Dallas Gddard, Travis Kelce. If you are in your draft, you wanted Coulson Lovelin. Ah, crap. Your stupid friend
39:43Billy took him before you. Oh, okay.
39:44I'll get Sam Leaporta. Oh my god, someone already drafted two tight ends.
39:48These things happen in drafts. So, if you can't find a way to get maybe Leaporta or Coulson Lovelin, KD, Andrews, Goddard, Kelsey, are you
39:55looking for any of them or it's also okay if the answer is just no?
39:59>> Uh, I'm interested in two of them. Uh Dallas Goddard I think is just we're getting a discount for basically no
40:07reason. Uh his splits with and without AJ Brown over his career have been excellent. I I think Dallas Garter you can just click him and expect to get at
40:18worst a low-end tight end one and have the position be solved for you at like a minimum and that that's like all you
40:25kind of have to do. I I've seen like no evidence that he's washed. I don't think that Eli Sters has any effect whatsoever
40:33on Dallas Goddard's playing time or his route share. Uh this is likely going to be more of like a throwing over the
40:40middle of the field type of offense than it's ever been before with Jaylen Herz, at least from what Shawn Manion has said
40:46and what uh like the national sources have said. So that I think benefits God as well. So, he's someone I feel really
40:53solid about as maybe a little bit more of like a stabilizing floor play uh for among these old guys, but I he's like my
41:00pick kind of out of that group. Uh KD I'm intrigued by. I didn't like expect to want to be in on the like the 30
41:11something year old 33 is he now coming off an Achilles tear. Like if you asked me earlier in the offseason, I I'd have
41:18been like, "Yeah, no freaking way, dude." like I like when when I watched that injury, I was like, "Oh, I hope
41:24that's not his career." Like that that was my instant reaction. But I don't know, man. Like the more I kind of look
41:32at this and this offense and just like the where we're drafting all of the tight ends this year, I'm kind of
41:39intrigued by KD, especially because he kind of goes late enough that you could also take like a second stabilizing tight end. maybe a Dallas GDart for
41:48example for like the early season. Uh and if you are willing to spend two roster spots on a tight end like the
41:54upside for KD in the second half of the season is as high as anybody really. Uh leads all tight ends in yards per run
42:02over the last five years. Uh leads all players in EPA per target over the last five years which is crazy ahead of Puka
42:11Nua. Like he he is so awesome. He has played through like a laundry list of injuries throughout his entire career.
42:18Like the guy's an absolute madman. So he him like over a Mark Andrews over a Travis Kelce for sure for me. So th
42:26those are kind of the two names that I'm interested in in that range.
42:29>> KD's been my pick for again Aliens and Vadas. We got to save civilization by beating them in a football game. I mean
42:35George KD tight end one everyone. I know it hasn't been the case in fantasy, but look, these offenses have been awesome
42:40not needing to feature him. And as you mentioned earlier, like you look at the yards after catch, all the overexpectation stuff. I mean,
42:45everything tells you that KD has made the absolute most of his opportunities.
42:49It's just been a more crowded offense.
42:51Ricky Pearl is already freaking hurt. I It sounds like he could be out for this season, which would be devastating. So
42:57now we got a fellow 30 plus year old and Mike Evans, a fellow 30 soon to be 30-year-old Ank and Christian McCaffrey.
43:03like this could maybe wind up being the season, especially in the second half where we actually see KD be the number
43:09one pass game option in San Fran. The last time we did that, oh, what do you do? Break the freaking single season
43:14receiving yard record. This does feel like a situation, man, where we are seeing KD price far closer to his floor than his ceiling. I I hear you. I
43:22haven't even been I'm talking myself in the draft anymore, but the Achilles and the Age thing has been why I just
43:28haven't gotten all in on as well, but that seems to be pretty baked in at this point.
43:33Yeah, I'd agree. And like basically every report the entire off seasonason has been like weirdly positive on it.
43:40Like I I would not have expected this >> from everyone. Get old Channy Lynch, like all parties.
43:45>> Yeah. And like I I'm not like the injury expert guy. Uh but most of the injury guys that are in the industry uh our our
43:53own Jeff Mueller at Fantasy Points included think yeah there's a maybe not week one because they are playing internationally but week two there's
44:01like a very good chance he's out there is he in his full self until October or November December maybe not but like
44:08there there's he could be on the field and we're going to get a look at him. So that yeah that's it's pretty compelling
44:13to me. Uh he he is someone I think you have to at least think about uh in managed leagues for sure.
44:20>> I shout out Jeff like every other show on here at JM Thrive PT. Got it memorized. I should get it tattooed on
44:25my freaking forearm at this point. But again just the blend of fantasy analysis with actually you know having a freaking doctorate knowing what he's talking
44:32about with that. So so special. How the team over there at fantasy points obviously so many cool statistics.
44:38Average separation score. Yeah that's right baby. We're talking about some ass now. But again, such a cool player suite and you know, kind of snatching a
44:46certain someone, one of my former employers, chain over there. So again, can't recommend so much about again getting in on the fantasy points
44:53business. The Dallas thing, you're right, man. He's tight in 14, tight end 15. I just get pissed off at the ridiculous nature of his goal line
45:03touchdowns last year. These shovel passes, they gave him like a fly sweep in the playoff game. I mean, it was like
45:10Patulo, your entire offense is broken.
45:12He's just out there scheming up plays for Dallas inside the 5yd line. But then again, you take away AJ Brown and even
45:18if we aren't getting those ridiculous gimmick plays, like we know Dallas is real good now. He has a chance to be the
45:24number two option for the first time in a minute. is Dallas Goddard, if you're in again a traditional 12 team reddraft
45:31league, is he kind of like that tight end you're circling like, okay, worst comes to worse, like he's my break break
45:36glass in case of emergency guy?
45:38>> That's how I would think of it. Yeah. Uh he's like it's nice to draft him and then optionally take like a second maybe
45:45higher upside shot uh on one of like the I'd say like extremely low floor like risky later guys that we might be about
45:52to talk about. But yeah, I think he specifically fits like the two tight end builds really really well. And you don't
45:59have to take a second tight end. You you can easily just take him and have the position figured out. I think
46:04>> I think if you want to do it exactly with what you're talking about, you kind of got your floor player and you want an
46:09upside guy, absolutely go for it. But don't feel like you have to guys. We'll figure out the, you know, bye week
46:14later. And if you want to take a shot with, you know, a handcuffed running back on your bench instead, I really
46:17would recommend that. But speaking of again some of those more potential upside darts, Dolan Concincaid, Isaiah Likely, Chigio Conquo, they're all sort
46:25of in the same manner. We all believe in their receiving ability to varying, you know, extents, but concaid last year, the per route numbers were borderline
46:32erotic. Likely has done some really good things in Baltimore. Just obviously been blocked by Mark Andrews and Cher Conquo.
46:37I mean, year one in a smaller sample, he was up there with Kelsey at the top of the league. Hasn't gotten as great the
46:43last few years, but again, part-time roles. In Concade's case, we're hoping that the knee's healthy enough to have a full-time role. And in likely in Chig's
46:50case, we're like new offenses. They just got paid a lot of money. Are you confident in these guys enough to actually be, you know, pairing them with
46:57a Goddard? Or do you think that's kind of a fugazi and we're just doing the thing we do every year in the fantasy
47:02streets thinking there's more viable tight ends than there actually are?
47:06>> I think that's the way to play basically all three of those names is to Yeah. to like pair them with a Gddard. Uh, I
47:13mean, I would just draft Daltton Concincaid as like my one tight end cuz I'm just very comfortable saying if this doesn't work out, I'm fine with it and
47:20I'll stream the position. I understand that's not everybody. Uh, but yeah, I think there's at least a chance. We have to we have to take the idea seriously of
47:29what would happen and how likely is it that each of these guys gets a full-time role. Uh, with Concaid, I more my argument would be I don't know
47:39that he needs like a totally full-time role. We don't need him at a 75 80% route share. Like if if this guy had a
47:4665% route share, he would be a massive win at cost, possibly a league winner, right? Uh he he averaged over 14 fantasy
47:53points per game in any games he ran over 50% of the routes last year. Uh which which is really just like the first few
48:00games of the season and a couple of playoff games when he was like at his most healthy, right? So, I I really
48:07think like on this Bill's offense, there's a chance that he he matters for fantasy even on kind of like a pseudo in
48:14between part-time to full-time role.
48:17That's part of why I am yeah kind of attracted to him in the later rounds. I think Chig is also interesting. He's one
48:26what going back to our discussion earlier about on these bad offenses that or not bad offenses but bad teams that are constantly trailing we see kind of
48:35the flex style tight ends get on the field more and succeed more. That's the case I would make for Chig. I think it
48:43immediately goes away if the commanders just sign Stefon Diggs or any of these other free agent wide receivers. I >> it feels like it's not if it's when
48:51that's the problem.
48:52>> Yeah. So when that happens Yeah. you probably won't hear me mention Shika Conko's name again for the rest of the
48:58offseason, but until then or if it doesn't happen that then yeah, I think that's a case you can make. He's like a
49:04totally believable final round dart to me. Uh Isaiah likely I think you're kind of paying as if he's going to have a
49:12full-time role. Like he he has similar ADP to a to a concaid for example, but he's just on a so much worse offense.
49:20Like I have no faith in Matt Naggie or anything that the Giants are doing this year really. So unlike with Concaid, I
49:29don't think like it's good enough for likely if he's at 60 65% of the routes.
49:34Like you need him playing a legit full-time role, 70 75% plus route share.
49:40You need him like commanding five, six, seven targets per game. I think maybe honestly maybe before we've gotten all of this positive injury news and like
49:51good-looking videos of Malik Neighbors that I was maybe more convinced by that or it was at least closer for me. Uh now
50:00I'm kind of like nah man like why why are we I'm not buying into Isaiah likely when Malik Neighbors is at least at
50:08least as good of a coin flip to be on the field in week one. like he this is not to me a situ I don't want like the
50:15the even if he's the second target in the passing game I don't want that on the Giants like whatsoever uh when Malik
50:21Neighbors is there. So yeah, I I'm probably good on Isaiah likely even like ignoring the risk of Yeah, this guy has
50:28never really played a full-time route share in his entire career. Uh even in games he has, it's like it's not like
50:36the most amazing target share that he's pulled. Uh, I'm I'm scrolling trying to find this right now, but it's uh let's
50:43see. I had this exact stat. Sorry to completely grind this to a halt, but it it's something it's like it's like
50:514.8 targets per game when he's over a 70% route share or something to that effect. And it the fantasy points are
50:58good cuz he played with Lamar Jackson and scored a lot of touchdowns in that sample, but he's never been like that
51:04outside of like that one game against the Chiefs two or three years ago. He's never been like this high-end target volume guy at all in the NFL. So, yeah.
51:13I don't know.
51:14>> And the whole Matt Naggie part and then you say, "Well, who else they have on staff?" Greg Roman. It's I love the
51:20point you brought up earlier, too. It's like some of these coaches. I'm sure I'm not trying to take anything away from
51:24Greg Roman. He'll forget more football than I know in my entire life. But is Greg Roman responsible for Lamar Jackson enabling all these great running
51:32offenses? I don't know, man. I'm pretty sure Lamar would have been just fine even if he didn't know who Greg Roman
51:36was. Brian freaking Callahan is also in this brain trust man. So Giants could not be very good. Washington saying I will say the bullc case would still be
51:45like likely could slash should be a number two option there. Same thing with Chig right now as as long as they don't
51:51take on another wide receiver but kind of seems like they will. So if you are going to be investing in more of a bad
51:55offense, yeah, you want it to be one with less target competition so we can hopefully overcome some of that with the
52:01volume. But we don't have to worry about that when we have Dolan Concaid in a really freaking good offense also with a
52:07chance to be a number two.
52:09>> Yep. Yeah. It it is really kind of as simple as that for me. Uh just Yeah.
52:14Give give me the guy that led all tight ends in yards per run by like a massive margin last year that is in Yeah. is in
52:22one of the best offenses in the league where at least I personally am pretty suspicious of a DJ Moore uh being like
52:30the number one target earner engine of that offense. He he's someone whose like efficiency data has massively come down every each of the last three years. Uh
52:39has like got out alpha by a healthy Roma Dunay got out outed by a part-time Luther Burden and Coloulston Loveland at
52:47the end of the year. like yeah to to me there's like even more of like a target vacuum if you want to put it that way
52:53for the Bills than any of these other teams. So yeah, I just even more reason to be interested in concade. Like we
53:00could totally flip over to week one and he could be at like a 45% route share and I'm 100% willing to say, "Yeah, I
53:06was wrong. Drop him." But that it's like that's like a risk I want to take on tight ends in the late rounds. It's it's
53:12much more about like what would happen if they hit for me than uh is is this like the safest pick. That's what you
53:18got Dallas Goddard for.
53:20>> If you knew again Fantasy Genie taps you on the shoulder and goes Kinc Kade's going to be at 75% plus routes.
53:27Tight end five, tight end four, like that's what we could see as early as week two if we get it.
53:33>> Yeah. Oh, if I if that was like the one stat line that I knew from the season is KQ Concinc Kaid's route share and it's
53:40anywhere north of 70%. Yeah. 100% exposure. He's he'd be like my most drafted player. 100%. Yeah.
53:48>> What if you knew Terence Ferguson had a 70% route rate? What would that do for you? [laughter] >> I I like the way you're talking. Uh
53:57yeah, he's he's exciting to me. Um, we talked about the how valuable that vertical skill set is for tight ends earlier in the show. Ferguson more more
54:07than especially any of the other Rams tight ends, but it just in general had one of the deepest like usage profiles
54:14in the league last year. Uh, his college profile was pretty fun, especially in hindsight. He was more productive than Kenyan Sadi was at Oregon. Like he he's
54:26pretty interesting to me. Uh, I don't know like exactly where the Rams offense is going to go next. I don't want to
54:31just assume just because they ran a lot of 13 personnel and three tight end sets last year that that like Shawn McVey is
54:38going to do the same thing. He's always a step ahead. Who knows what the next wrinkle is, but yeah, there's a legit
54:43argument to say Devonte Adams uh great season last year, highly utilized in the red zone in these heavier personnel sets, but like he's a year older. the
54:54Rams at least thought about moving on from him last year. They were uh not not even rumored like confirmed I think by
55:00McVey to have been in on AJ Brown like exploring options to trade for him uh assumably because they thought that he
55:10was going to be better at this point in his career than Adams. Like I I don't know that the Rams are like 100% certain
55:17that Adams is making it through the season. I I think that that opens up like a huge potential opportunity for a
55:23Terrence Ferguson. They would go I think a lot more of these heavy two and three tight end sets and Ferguson more than
55:31anyone else any of their other tight ends is like the route winner like the field stretcher the like efficiency guy there. So he he is legit interesting. I
55:40think maybe a little too deep in like your typical 10 to 12 team manage reddraft home league. Uh, but like someone that should be on your watch
55:49list that you should be very interested in. Uh, if he puts up like a big sat line in week one, he would be like an
55:55instant like top of the week one waiver wire for me. Uh, yeah. Or in any deeper formats. I think I think he's a very
56:01interesting late round pick.
56:03>> I know McVey usually doesn't trot the starters out there for much or at all, you know, in the preseason, but my god,
56:09if we got like two Stafford drives, Ferguson's out there for six of eight snaps. It's not going to take much, man.
56:14It took like some fanfiction from a beat reporter talking about Jonathan Brooks sticking his foot in the ground for everyone to be like, "Oh my god, look at
56:21this." Didn't even need a highlight.
56:22Just got some again reporting from the practice. I do think Terren Ferguson is in that uh you know, same sort of
56:27stratosphere because we as a fantasy committ are very sick. But I love each and every one of you for it. It's okay
56:33if it's Terren Ference Ferguson. I mentioned Michael Mayer, but just for our dynasty fiends out there, is there like a deep pull? someone who no is
56:40probably not going to do much this year, but is there a guy where on your dynasty bench you want them because you do
56:44believe in their future?
56:47>> Uh this is like the deepest poll possible. So I like this is like a taxi squad dynasty only play. Uh I really
56:56liked Tanner Kosial coming out uh who the Jaguars drafted on day three. Uh he just had one of the most impressive
57:05production profiles of any tight end over the last few years to me, which is saying something because we just had one
57:11of the most impressive tight end classes in back in 2025. Uh Gadson in terms of team reception share has two out of the
57:20top seven or top eight seasons by any college tight end uh over the last 5 to 10 years. That's a list with with him
57:29twice, like Trey McBride twice, uh with Harold Fannon, with like ba basically all of the super productive tight ends that have popped in the NFL.
57:40>> Kosial of course doing it against slightly lesser competition, but I mean he still did it in a power conference.
57:47Uh did did it at two different schools.
57:50I don't know that he gets on the field this year, but yeah, long term he's kind of interesting to me. I can't tell you
57:56exactly what his path to snaps is on the Jaguars uh with Brentton Strange there with uh Nate Borcature there that they
58:05massively overdrafted. He's like a blocking only guy to me. So uh yeah, Co Kiel's interesting. If there if there were an injury there, if the Jaguars
58:13actually did ever try to go like crazy multi-tight end set stuff, uh Coil is like a fun taxi squad stash for me. It
58:21is one of those things where we and it's great that we spend three, four months a year focusing on the draft class.
58:26There's nothing else to do January through April. I get it. But we do sometimes overthink these guys. Oh, he's at Ball State and Houston and all this
58:33and oh, look at Brett Strange there. And then it's like that Jedi and the idiot meme where it's like look at the
58:39production. He's a tight end. He caught a lot of freaking passes. We saw I'm not saying he's going to be Harold Fannon
58:43nor Ronda Gatston, but you know, it's not a bad start when again the dude is literally free. So Tanner Kosio heard it
58:50here. I'm pretty sure it's actually would be first uh for that one. So, rooting for him, my friend. Last thing, Ryan, you've been fantastic. You've gone
58:57through Lovelin, Leaporta, Goddard, some of your favorite targets, but in your heart of hearts, like where do you see you kind of attacking tight end in more
59:06drafts than not this year? Do you want to try to go early with Lovelin? Do you want to try to say, "Okay, let me get,
59:10you know, six, seven guys, then go Leaporta, or do you want to play the late round tight end game?" Just generally,
59:15>> I think in general, I'm most going to lean toward the late round guys. So, ju Yeah. Really, one of the names I just
59:22mentioned are like the the Gddard two tight end thing uh that we talked about.
59:27>> Yeah. [laughter] Yeah. Maybe maybe not him in in reddraft, but yeah, I that's where I'm at. As I mentioned, just we have seen
59:37more success out of the tight end position in the late rounds historically, like the last 10 plus years than at any other position. It's
59:45the position that gives you generally like the least edge for having a top three guy versus a bottom three starter out of any of the fantasy positions.
59:55Like I just don't generally want to spend up on a tight end there. you have so few chances to draft like these
60:04difference-making league winning running backs and wide receivers. Your chances just get worse as every round passes.
60:10Most of the most important like league winning players uh at those positions do come in the first four, first six rounds. Like any chance that you're
60:19giving up for to hit those guys to draft a tight end to me is just potentially wasted. uh when you can get 80 to 90% of
60:28the benefit out from the late rounds at the position. So that's just philosophically where I where I am uh where where I've been for most of my
60:36fantasy football like content career. Uh sure that's yeah that's just kind of where I'm at from all the data that I
60:43review every single season with like positional win rates and such.
60:47>> Ryan, thank you so much for the time, man. By the time this is out, I believe your blood, sweat, and tears will also
60:54be out. Tell us about the anatomy of a league winner and just how much hard work went into this. Yeah, man. Anatomy
61:01of a league winner. It is my like biggest flagship article every single year. I go back through nine 10 years of
61:10data uh just figuring out the players that have been on the most uh playoff rosters in fantasy football. figuring out all the commonalities between them,
61:21looking for uh different traits at every position that leads to guys being these league winners. Uh it goes like heavily into ADP and like where to draft each
61:32position, what's the most valuable. I like delve into the psychology of drafters and try to figure out why some running backs get drafted to later than
61:41they should or earlier than they should.
61:43it. It's like a 22,000word manifesto just on the art of drafting a fantasy football team. I highly recommend it. I Yeah, I put so much work into it every
61:54single year. Anatomy of a league winner.
61:56It should be up over on fantasypoints.com by the time you're listening to this. So yeah, go check it out if that sounds
62:03interesting to you guys.
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62:21specific draft strategy stuff because guess what? August is here. All right, so tiers have been fun. Bling out breaking down the players has been fun.
62:27But again, time to start getting into exactly who we should be drafting, when, and where to go ahead and win some
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