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10 Tight End Questions with Fantasy Points' Ryan Heath!

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Jul 31, 2026
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Sam LaPortaTucker KraftBijan RobinsonBrock BowersCarson BeckChase BrownChristian McCaffreyColston LovelandDallas GoedertDerrick HenryDrake LondonGeorge KittleHarold FanninJahmyr Gibbs
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Bijan Robinson

NegativeProjection36:39

Ian Hartitz notes that Bijan Robinson is drafted inside the top two picks in any draft and that the Falcons offensive system and quarterback situation are not concerns for his draft position. However, Hartitz expresses skepticism about whether Kevin Stefanski and Tommy Rees deserve credit for their offensive design, questioning if they are being overrated based on their success with prime Nick Chubb years ago. The Falcons offense could finish 30th in scoring in December, which would create downside risk for Robinson despite his elite draft capital.

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Brock Bowers

PositiveValue0:28

Fantasy Points' Ryan Heath likes Bowers as a player and in the Clint Koviak Raiders offense, noting he averaged north of 16 fantasy points per game without his knee brace last year despite offensive chaos (injuries, Chip Kelly firing in November), giving him round-two pick-worthy upside. However, Heath's line in the sand is not clicking Bowers in round two ahead of running backs like Chase Brown, Derrick Henry, and Ken Walker that he thinks will outscore him. Heath advocates for a specific draft strategy: target one of the top-four running backs (Gibbs, Robinson, Taylor, or McCaffrey) in round one, then loop back to late round two to acquire Bowers. This strategy is more realistic in home leagues than higher-stakes drafts due to ADP variance. Heath is open to Bowers in mid-to-late round two after those backs are off the board, as tight ends have higher hit rates in later rounds than other positions and running backs/wide receivers provide more value of replacement.

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Carson Beck

NegativeProjection10:10

Fantasy Points' Ryan Heath pushes back against the assumption that Carson Beck's arrival in week 8 will tank the Cardinals offense. He argues that Lafleur won't want to be the fall guy or tank commander (he already was for Zach Wilson), and therefore won't stand for the offense becoming bad after Beck enters. Heath cautions against assuming no one will score fantasy points in the Cardinals offense for the rest of the season once Beck takes over, though he acknowledges the schedule is brutal through week 12-13.

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Chase Brown

PositiveValue2:48

Ryan Heath cites Chase Brown as a running back example he prefers over Brock Bowers in round two, believing Brown will outscore Bowers and provide more positional value than using a round two pick on a tight end. Depending on league site ADP, at least one of these running backs (Brown, Henry, Walker) goes after Bowers, making them preferable targets ahead of the tight end.

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Christian McCaffrey

NegativeValue4:12

Ian Hartitz identifies Christian McCaffrey as one of the top four running backs (alongside Jalen Gibbs, Bijan Robinson, and Jonathan Taylor) that he ideally wants to target in round one before looping back to Brock Bowers in late round two as part of a draft strategy to secure elite RB production while still getting Bowers at reasonable ADP.

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Colston Loveland

PositiveProjection13:24

Fantasy Points' Ryan Heath believes Loveland could reach consensus dynasty tight end one status by next year. From week 15 onward, Loveland led the Bears in targets per route run and fantasy points per route run on a much higher route participation rate than Luther Burden, making him the better version of the Burden bet. Heath has advocated for Loveland ahead of Burden throughout the offseason and is most interested in drafting him as the early-round tight end across all platforms. Loveland has real insulation relative to Bears wide receivers; there is a genuine chance he leads all Bears pass catchers in routes this year given the team's commitment to multi-tight-end sets (12 or 13 personnel) and lack of a serious wide receiver three option to replace DJ Moore. At the end of last year in heavy multi-tight-end sets, Loveland averaged over four yards per route run and a 50% receiving yards market share, suggesting the offense could look like that from week one forward. In a draft scenario where you can choose between Brock Bowers at the end of round two or Colson Loveland at the end of round four, Heath would take Loveland every time, viewing the later-round selection as the better value proposition. Ian Hartitz is ranking Loveland ahead of Trey McBride in tight end draft rankings, signaling preference for Loveland's value proposition over McBride's round-three pricing.

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Dallas Goedert

PositiveValue40:51

Ryan Heath identifies Dallas Goedert as his preferred late-round TE pick, getting a discount for no clear reason. His splits with and without AJ Brown over his career have been excellent. Goedert can be clicked and expected to deliver a low-end TE1 floor at minimum with no evidence of decline. Eli Stokes has no effect on his route share. The new Jalen Hurts offense emphasizes throwing over the middle, which benefits Goedert. He offers a stabilizing floor play with upside.

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Derrick Henry

PositiveValue2:48

Ryan Heath cites Derrick Henry as a running back example he prefers over Brock Bowers in round two, believing Henry will outscore Bowers and provide more positional value than using a round two pick on a tight end. Depending on league site ADP, at least one of these running backs (Brown, Henry, Walker) goes after Bowers, making them preferable targets ahead of the tight end.

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Drake London

PositiveValue36:21

Ryan Heath is bullish on Drake London as an alpha target earner with elite fantasy upside when healthy and the offense has pass volume. Heath states "I'm very I'm big on Drake London this year. I I like him quite a bit just because he has uh been been like such an alpha target earner in so many situations throughout his career in so many different systems. I and has has been a good fantasy scorer. Anytime he's been healthy and that there's been like real pass volume in the offense." Heath ranks London WR9 and projects a 188-target pace (17-game) with Michael Penix Jr., which could result in 15+ more targets than the next-closest WR even if the Falcons finish 30th in scoring. London averages 20.6 fantasy points per game in his 12-game sample with Penix, described as "elite wide receiver one stuff." His presence on the field directly suppresses Kyle Pitts' efficiency and target share, making London the clear alpha in the Falcons passing game.

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George Kittle

PositiveProjection53:38

Ryan Heath is intrigued by George Kittle despite age 33 and Achilles tear recovery. Kittle leads all tight ends in yards per route run over the last five years and leads all players in EPA per target over the last five years (ahead of Puka Nacua). Heath states "Uh KD I'm intrigued by... Uh leads all tight ends in yards per run over the last five years. Uh leads all players in EPA per target over the last five years which is crazy ahead of Puka Nua... So he him like over a Mark Andrews over a Travis Kelce for sure for me." Kittle is also the only tight end with a sub-6.5 average target depth who posted a top-three scoring season over the last decade, establishing him as the exception to the rule. He alternates with Tucker Kraft as the leader in yards after the catch per reception over the last five seasons.

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Harold Fannin

NegativeRole6:00

Fantasy Points' Ryan Heath identifies Harold Fannon as the archetype example for pass-catcher tight ends on bad offenses in trailing game scripts. This archetype—flex-type tight ends that are pass-catchers only on bad teams—sees increased snap share when offenses are in constant passing situations and lack good receivers, forcing more opportunities to the tight end. Fannon is also one of the big four early-round tight ends (alongside Cal Pitts, Tucker Kraft, and Sam LaPorta) requiring meaningful draft capital in most leagues; missing these four early forces waiting 20-40+ picks.

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Jahmyr Gibbs

PositiveValue37:33

Ryan Heath ranks Jahmyr Gibbs as the clear RB1 over Bijan Robinson, citing the Lions' superior run game compared to the Falcons. Heath states "Gibbs is like the clear 101 over Bejon to me," placing this preference in the context of his praise for Detroit's run game design and execution. This represents a direct draft ranking preference favoring Gibbs' situation and offensive line/scheme advantages over Robinson's despite Robinson's elite talent and top-two draft capital.

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Jameson Williams

NegativeRole25:27

The market is currently drafting Jameson Williams as the clear number-two option for the Lions, but when Sam LaPorta is healthy and on the field, Williams is not the clear second option. LaPorta is either tied with or just ahead of Williams in targets per route run, target share, and all-pro route stats, suggesting the Lions' target distribution is more balanced between the two than current ADP reflects.

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Jared Goff

PositiveRole50:17

Ryan Heath highlights Jared Goff as one of the quarterbacks most effectively using motion at the snap in the NFL, positioning him as an ideal fit for incoming Lions offensive coordinator Ben Johnson. Heath states "Look at Jared Goff, uh, who is one of the quarterbacks that has like used the motion at the snap like the most effectively of anyone in the league." This is framed as a positive marriage of talent and scheme that could elevate the Lions' already elite passing game. Heath also cites Dan Campbell's track record of mid-season offensive improvements (2021 with Anthony Lynn, previous work with John Morton) as a safety net if the transition struggles.

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Jonathan Taylor

NegativeBust21:00

Ryan Heath flags Jonathan Taylor as a massive concern despite round 18 ADP. Taylor did not live up to round one draft capital and is extremely game-script sensitive; he is not active in the passing game and relies on positive game script to get fed 25+ carries. In games where Daniel Jones was injured or when the Colts were falling apart at year-end, Taylor's production suffered significantly. Heath explicitly fades Jonathan Taylor in round one this year, noting he is not a different bet than Derrick Henry or Ken Walker who go later on better teams with higher Vegas win totals.

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Josh Downs

PositiveValue19:00

Ryan Heath prefers Josh Downs over Tyler Warren to capitalize on the intermediate target opportunity left behind by Michael Pittman's departure, liking Downs at his cheaper ADP as the better value play for that role in the Colts offense. The core bet on Downs is that he will run the most routes of his career by far in the Colts passing game. However, this thesis is threatened by potential free agent signings of Keenan Allen, Stefon Diggs, or Debo Samuel, which would signal the Colts are unhappy with Downs on the outside or want to rotate more, affecting his route share and target opportunity.

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Kyle Pitts

NegativeValue34:14

Ryan Heath explicitly avoids Kyle Pitts at his current draft price due to severe Drake London splits. When London was healthy (weeks 1–11), Pitts saw only 14% first-read target share in the intermediate range (5–15 yards depth), dropping to tight end 17 in fantasy points per game. When London was off the field, Pitts's intermediate target share more than doubled to 35%, demonstrating he was only involved in high-value fantasy routes for 3–4 weeks. Heath states "I'm just not paying the Kyle Pitts price uh relative to a Leaporta or to a Tucker Kraft" and "I'm out on Kyle Pittz," citing the Falcons offense upside concerns and the persistent London role conflict as reasons to fade Pitts despite his talent.

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Mark Andrews

NegativeValue41:48

Ranked below George Kittle and Dallas Goedert in Ryan Heath's late-round TE preference; Heath explicitly prefers Kittle over Andrews in the veteran TE tier.

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Marvin Harrison Jr.

PositiveValue10:54

Fantasy Points' Ryan Heath views Marvin Harrison Jr. as a more relevant target than Trey McBride in the context of Carson Beck's potential week 8 arrival and the Lafleur-led Cardinals offense. The key distinction is price: Harrison Jr. is much cheaper than McBride, making him a better value play if the offense stabilizes or improves with Beck's arrival.

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Michael Penix Jr.

PositiveMatchup37:50

Ryan Heath is rooting for Michael Penix Jr. to win the Falcons starting job or at least become the starter at some point in the season because of the elite chemistry he has shown with Drake London. Heath cites London's 20.6 fantasy points per game average over 12 Penix starts, which he describes as "elite wide receiver one stuff." This suggests Penix's presence in the lineup significantly elevates London's fantasy production and represents a positive scenario for both players' fantasy value.

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Omar Cooper Jr.

NegativeValue22:13

Ryan Heath notes that Omar Cooper is round-one talent whose poor offensive situation is already priced into his draft cost. He can be taken late without concern because the bad offense discount is fully baked in.

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Sam LaPorta

NegativeProjection24:45

Ryan Heath's favorite tight end pick and flag plant for the year. Over his career with 75%+ route share, LaPorta has averaged 15.9 fantasy points per game across an 18-game healthy sample, which would have ranked as TE2 behind McBride last year. He is tied with or ahead of Jameson Williams in targets per route run and target share in all-pro route stats, yet the market is drafting Williams as the clear Lions WR2 when LaPorta is healthy. New offensive coordinator Drew Petzing has maintained Trey McBride above 75% route share in each of his last 29 games, suggesting LaPorta's route and target volume could increase. With the Lions having the highest implied Vegas points per game total of any team, LaPorta has outlier touchdown upside and is positioned as an underrated middle-to-late-round tight end target. LaPorta also has significant contingent upside if either Amon-Ra St. Brown or Jameson Williams gets injured; his weekly projection increases by three to four points in those scenarios. However, LaPorta is recovering from a back injury and avoided the PUP list, though there is some concern about his health status.

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PositiveBreakout24:45

Favorite tight end pick and flag plant for the year; drafted several rounds later than historical ADP despite excellent full-time role production. In 18-game sample of games with 75%+ route share, averaged 15.9 PPG—which would have been TE2 behind McBride last year. Tied with or ahead of Jameson Williams in targets per route run and target share on all-pro route stats, yet Williams is drafted as clear Lions TE2 option. Undervalued relative to production when healthy and on field.

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Travis Kelce

NegativeValue41:48

Ranked below George Kittle and Dallas Goedert in Ryan Heath's late-round TE preference; Heath explicitly prefers Kittle over Kelce in the veteran TE tier.

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Trey McBride

NegativeValue6:32

Ian Hartitz expresses skepticism about paying a round-three price for Trey McBride in 2025, despite acknowledging McBride's elite 2024 production. The fade is grounded in offensive context changes: Marvin Harrison Jr. being healthier will reduce McBride's target share; the Cardinals won't feature as many two-tight-end sets or heavy tight-end usage; and McBride will face better cornerbacks rather than the weak receivers he faced last season. Hartitz prefers any wide receiver in round three over McBride. However, Hartitz notes this fade "scares" him given McBride's demonstrated talent, distinguishing it from a confident fade like TJ Hockenson last year. Fantasy Points' Ryan Heath similarly fades McBride despite acknowledging his talent; won't pay a round-three price. While McBride has averaged north of 17 PPR points per game over the past two seasons (top 7 among combined WR/TE), Heath views the Lafleur-Hackett partnership and overall offensive environment as insufficient to justify early-round capital.

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Tucker Kraft

NegativeUsage33:32

Ryan Heath values Tucker Craft highly for exceptional tight end efficiency metrics. Craft leads or ties for the league lead in yards after catch per reception over the last five seasons alongside George Kittle, and excels in yards per target and yards per target over expectation. Heath states he cares about hyper-efficiency for tight ends and Craft checks that box because he is special after the catch. Ian Hartitz notes that Craft and Evan Anderson have very low average target depth (sub-6.5 yards), which makes them exciting with the ball in their hands but potentially limits their ceiling. However, Craft's exceptional efficiency profile mitigates this concern and makes him a special prospect. Craft is recovering from an ACL injury but should be back by week one.

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PositiveValue33:32

Ryan Heath values Tucker Kraft highly for tight end efficiency metrics. Kraft leads or ties for the league lead in yards after catch per reception over the last five seasons alongside George Kittle, and excels in yards per target and yards per target over expectation. Heath states "I really do care about the hyper efficiency for tight ends. Uh I would say Tucker Kraft like checks that box for me in that he's just so special after the catch. uh like every single year for the last like five seasons, it's been either him or George KD that leads all tight ends in yards after the catch, per reception." This efficiency profile is critical for tight ends given their lower target volume relative to wide receivers, making Kraft's ability to maximize per-target production a key draft asset despite his sub-6.5 average target depth.

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Tyler Warren

NegativeProjection17:18

Ryan Heath views Tyler Warren as part of the consensus top-three tight ends but expresses uncertainty about his trajectory. Warren's rookie season stats were comparable to Brock Bowers' rookie year, and he had a hotter start than Colson Loveland despite being two years older with five years at Penn State as a backup. His early-season success came off play-action and RPO when the Colts offense was leading the league in passing yards per game and top-five in red zone visits, though Heath views him more as a beneficiary of that system than a driver. However, Heath has concerns about Warren's durability given the Colts' quarterback situation—Daniel Jones is coming off a right Achilles tear and may not be at 100% in week one, which Heath frames as a concern for Warren's fantasy outlook, though less severe than for Jonathan Taylor.

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0:00Today we are breaking down the 10 biggest questions facing the tight end position ahead of the 2026 fantasy football season with one of the best in
0:07the business people. Fantasy points Ryan Heath. If you have not been following this man and just reading any one of his
0:13incredible articles throughout this off seasonason, you are missing out because your league mates probably are. So go ahead and get on that. But Ryan, great
0:19to talk to you, man.
0:20>> Hey, awesome to talk to you, man. Yeah, really excited to break down some tight ends today. Uh really excited to just
0:26talk ball. I'm so into it. I'm so ready for the season. Let's do it.
0:30>> Amen. Dude, maybe just, you know, not completely overreacting to every single drop in training camp. Look, we're both excited football is bad, too, Ryan. But
0:38I'm not going to completely let our last six months of research, you know, just be overdone by one or two clips we see
0:43out there. Is that is that reasonable?
0:45>> Yeah, I'd say that's reasonable. I I I got pretty mad about it online yesterday. Uh people can go look at my
0:52tweet storm about Marvin Harrison Jr.
0:54and people fading Jamar Chase as a rookie for dropping balls in training camp if if they're curious on my thoughts on that. But yeah, I I'm just
1:01ready to talk about our our actual research and what we've actually seen players do on the field in the NFL.
1:07>> Amen to that, man. Again, Ryanj Heath over in the old Twitter sphere. Again, one of the best guys you could be
1:13following out there. But let's go ahead and get into the tight end position because, as we know, a lot of different
1:17routes you can go. We're drafting running backs and wide receivers all over the course of any given draft, but especially in our home leagues, guys,
1:23really can't again just make or break our overall strategy based on what we want to do at tight end. And the first
1:28big question we accordingly got to ask ourselves, Ryan, round two, Brock Bowers in this economy. Cuz look, we all love Brock Bowers. Okay, I don't think that's
1:35up for debate, but it's just like how do you feel about your roster when you're actively using a round two pick on a on
1:40a tight end? So, how do you feel about drafting Brock Bowers as early as round two this year?
1:45Uh, so I'll just kind of start like philosophically in terms of what should you be thinking about if you're going to
1:53draft a tight end in round two. Uh, like a avoiding the Brock Bowers question. To me, you need to be so confident that
2:00this guy whose name you're clicking is going to straight up outscore all of the running backs and the wide receivers that you could draft them around. Uh, it
2:08is just not true in the leagues that most people play in. uh whether it's two wide receivers, three wide receivers, uh
2:16non-tight end premium scoring, running backs and wide receivers are just as scarce as tight ends are at the top.
2:22They give you more value of a replacement than tight ends. And tight ends have higher hit rates in the later rounds than any other position. So, it's
2:30a really high bar that I think you need to overcome to click a Brock Bowers in round two. Uh I'm open to it. It's I
2:40like Bowers as a player. I am like in a vacuum. I like the case for him in this Clint Koviaak offense. I think the
2:47Raiders could really take a step forward overall offensively this year. Uh we saw Bowowers average over 16 fantasy points per game if you just remove when he was
2:57playing uh with the brace on his knee last year in in those handful of games that he was playing injured. So, I agree
3:04like he has the upside that to be worthy of a round two pick. I'm just not selecting him over running backs that I
3:11think are going to outscore him. So, some examples of that are a Chase Brown, a Derk Henry, a Ken Walker. Uh,
3:18depending on like your site, a lot of these home league sites especially, at least one of those running backs goes after Brock Bowers in those ADPs. So, in
3:26that scenario, no, I'm not clicking Bowers uh ahead of any of those backs. I don't want to forego the more valuable
3:32position there for guys that I think have similar just fantasy point per game upside. Uh but yeah, I I mean I've been
3:39clicking some vows like in baseball where you've been able to get him after most of those running backs most of the
3:44summer. I'm not like principally opposed, but that that's like really my kind of line in the sand.
3:49>> We have that. Again, I've been calling with the great wall of RBs that kind of goes around that round one, round two
3:54turn. Obviously, you know, pretty much consensus top six wide receivers with Jedha and CD Lamb usually being gone.
4:00So, I'm with you where it does seem like mid to late round two is that sweet spot for Bowers. Using pick 13 or 14 or
4:07something like that, man is going to be leaving an awfully good running back, you know, for one of your league wings
4:11to go ahead and scoop up there. So, I haven't thrown around this super Bowers draft strategy, man, where ideally we get one of these again top four, I would
4:20say, running backs, our Gibbs, our Bejon, our JT or our CMC, and then we loop back around to the later stages of
4:26round two to get Brock Bowers. How realistic is that going to be to be able to pull off? I think in a higher stakes
4:31draft, probably not. But again, man, it's one of these things where I feel like we always push back in home league
4:36ADP because it's like, who's drafting?
4:37Well, we're about to get into August, man. So, at some point, we got to start paying more attention to the fine folks
4:42over at ESPN, Yahoo, and Sleeper.
4:44>> Yeah, 100%. It's like it it's a tough thing for me, especially this time of year, because I I especially in August,
4:50I want to write my content toward the platforms that most people are drafting on, right? Right now, most people aren't drafting, but they're about to be
4:57drafting on all those platforms. The ADP will look like that for at least a couple of weeks. So, yeah, it it's
5:03really hard to kind of balance uh exactly what you're talking about there, which is why I just gave that sort of
5:09wishy-washy answer on Bowers. So, yeah, appreciate us clarifying that.
5:14>> It was uh you know, interesting. Again, I like the stat where without the brace last year, he still averaged north of 16
5:19fantasy points per game. And that's kind of where I've come around with Genty a little bit as well. Everything went wrong last season. The injuries to
5:26Bowowers, the injuries just again, not even injuries, I guess across the offense, just them absolutely sucking and firing Chip Kelly before the end of
5:32November. I mean, everything that could have gone wrong did go wrong. And you look up and Bowowers was still pretty freaking awesome when he was out there.
5:39Genty, you know, didn't live up to his top 10 expectations, but still kind of a mid-tier RB2. I did look at the number
5:45of top 12 performers per game. Not trying to be that guy. On a bottom 10 scoring offense over the last decade,
5:51there's only been four quarterbacks.
5:53There's been 14 running backs, 12 wide receivers, 24 tight ends, though. Man, it does seem like this position is a little bit more able to deal with bad
6:01offenses. Or maybe the actual solution here is, you know, offenses that are feeding their tight ends enough to put up these sorts of numbers. Maybe that's
6:09not the best idea in the year 2026.
6:12>> Yeah, I I think there's truth to that, especially for like later t later round tight ends as you get down the board. uh
6:18especially the kind of like flex archetype tight ends like the passcatcher only types uh on the bad teams. Those are the ones that that's
6:27when those tight ends get on the field when they're in constant passing situations. Uh and especially when there aren't good receivers in the offense, it
6:34just forces more snaps to uh the I guess like the best version of this is like the Harold Fannon of the world. But like
6:42that entire archetype like beyond Harold Fannon, I I'm I kind of am looking for just offenses that are going to be
6:48constantly in trailing game scripts. So I do think that's like a legitimate point. Yeah.
6:52>> And obviously kind of the poster child for that last year, Mr. Trey McBride, who don't get it twisted, guys. I'm not
6:57saying he's a product of his offense or anything, but it helped last season. You know, all those injuries that helped out. Michael Wilson also did help out.
7:04Trey McBride certainly had plenty of chemistry with Jacobe Brassette leading the freaking league in pass attempts once he got under center as well. So,
7:10everyone seems to be doubting Tram McBride. I am as well. I'm actually ranking Coulson Lovelin ahead of him, which I fully understand. Ryan could
7:17make me look even more dumb than usual.
7:20You know, a short six months from now. I just don't want to use a round three pick on someone likely catching passes
7:25from Carson back in December. Is that fair?
7:29>> I think it is fair. Yeah. Honestly, um McBride is interesting for me because he's a player where you're tempted to
7:37say, "Well, we're overthinking this."
7:38like this guy was just awesome for the entire last year. We're all fading him now because we think that there won't be
7:46as much garbage time in the offense.
7:47Like it I don't know. It's one of those things where it makes me pause and say, "Hang on." Like, am I am I actually just
7:53overthinking this entire thing? I don't actually think we are. I I am much more into basically any wide receiver in round three uh than Trey McBride. And
8:04part of that is I I legitimately think that Marvin Harrison Jr. being healthier this year uh is going to be a bigger
8:14part of the offense uh than he was in all of the games that he missed.
8:17Obviously, uh I don't think we're getting as much of like the two tight end sets, all of this heavy tight end
8:24usage where McBride gets to run routes against Elijah Higgins uh and wide receivers that you've never heard of for most of the season. and I don't think
8:33that's like what we're getting. So, I don't know. McBride to me is not Yeah, just not somebody I'm targeting, not somebody I'm looking to pay a round
8:40three price for.
8:42>> He is one of those guys where I kind of talk about there's fades that I feel good about. You know, TJ Hawinson last
8:46year, not to hurt myself, pat on my own back, but like it never scared me not drafting TJ Hawinson. It does scare me
8:52not drafting Trey McBride, man. So, again, it's a fade. I think we both realize how good the dude is though because again, you mentioned it before
8:58and it's a great point. If you are drafting these tight ends early, you got to be confident they can score with the
9:02wide receivers you're passing by. And over these past two seasons, if you do combine wide receivers and tight ends, Trey McBride is one of only seven
9:09players averaging north of 17 PPR points per game. The other part of it though, it's not just the garbage time stuff.
9:14It's the Lafleur Hackit partnership.
9:17Man, your pin tweet right now. Again, one of the best articles I've read all year about just all different new play
9:21callers coming in. Can you say something nice about Michael Lor and Nathaniel Hacket? Because I'm not sure I can.
9:27I definitely can't say anything nice about Nathaniel Hackett. You will not get that out of me. Uh Laflur I will defend a little bit in that yes while
9:37obviously the overall results with the Jets were not great the last time he was calling plays 2021 2022. Uh, but I will
9:46say when they got Zach Wilson out of there and he had a 12game sample of Mike White and Joe Flacco starting games, uh,
9:54they did average over 300 passing yards per game, which would have led the NFL last year. Uh, Laflur is very willing to
10:01I I think just go heavy drop back volume if it's required to have something close to a respectable offense. I have kind of
10:10argued like I don't think he wants to be the fall guy or the tank commander. Like he's already been the fall guy for a
10:15Zach Wilson. I I don't see the world where and and this is where it gets into Carson Beck a little bit too. I don't
10:23see the world where the Cardinals offense is good or at least like working and then they decide to throw Beck Beck
10:30in and it becomes bad. Like I I don't think uh Lafleur is going to stand for that necessarily. This is like his
10:36chance to be a head coach. I I don't know that we should just assume, oh, Carson Beck is coming in in week eight
10:42and then no one will score fantasy points in this offense for the rest of the season. So, that's maybe like one
10:47piece that I'd fight back against cuz I I don't think any NFL coach like wants to be the the tank guy, the fall guy.
10:54So, I don't know that just things swirling around my mind. For me, that's more relevant for like a Marvin Harrison Jr. who's much cheaper uh than for a
11:02McBride. But, yeah, that's just kind of where I'm at.
11:06>> It is. And you can argue I am overthinking it because a sim similar sentiment with Bree Hall and Garrett Wilson. I'm thinking Kate Clubnick could
11:12be out there on the field, you know, in December with the Cardinals. I I'm with you. If Brvet was out there for the full
11:18season and we had reason to believe that was going to be the case and maybe we do to your point.
11:23>> Okay, I'm just looking at this schedule, bro. I have not seen more Hellacious first 12, 13 weeks of the year. Again,
11:29guys, Chargers, Seahawks, NerS, that's not great at the Giants. That will probably be like the tightest spread they have of this stretch after that.
11:38Lions, Rams, Broncos, Cowboys, Seahawks, Rams, Chiefs, Commanders, and Eagles.
11:43That is miserable, man. But but but if we can make it past that, Jets, Saints, Raiders in the fantasy playoffs pretty
11:50nicely.
11:52>> Yeah. Yeah, it could be worse for sure.
11:54And and it's true like the schedule is awful. I that take is everywhere that Yeah. How is Brassette possibly going to
12:01make it through this? And I hear that.
12:03I'm not saying that there's no validity to that theory. I I just do think that the the assumption that Beck is coming
12:12in to tank and also that he's 100% going to be terrible, I I think is like where I just push back a little bit. But yeah,
12:19I I totally hear you.
12:21>> I would feel better about Beck if we knew that his elbow was back to 100%. If you guys do go back and watch again kind
12:26of the first year that he was a starter at Georgia, hey, he was at the top of those way too early. You know, number
12:32one overall pick mock drafts as well, guys like Clubnick and you know, other dudes as well. Nusmire out of OSU who
12:37certainly have not, you know, put their best foot forward either. But, you know, I swear guys, I'm just trying to say
12:42nice about car say something nice about Carson Beck because Ryan, anytime I start going too hard against guys who have beat my Buckeyes, you know, people
12:47start whispering behind me and I certainly get it. Let's talk about the guy who I do have again ran ahead Trey
12:53McBride. Holston freaking love him, man.
12:55I believe it was 21 additional more targets than the next closest Bears receiver over the course of their final four games last year. He took over that
13:03offense. If you're a starter him in your fantasy championship, you were feeling great. When I'm looking at this landscape right now, I'm pretty sure
13:09he's a consensus tight end three in dynasty land. Okay. But if he balls out this year, we're going to be looking at
13:15it's like Bowowers Mendoza, McBride, and who knows Beck probably not Jacobe or Lovelin Caleb Williams. I think there's a chance, Ryan, that we could be looking
13:24at Coastal Level as a consensus Dynasty tight end one this time next year. What do you say?
13:29>> Yeah, I think it's entirely possible.
13:31I'm totally with you. I've had in Dynasty especially, I've I've had the take that I think Lovelin should be very close to McBride uh for most of the
13:39offseason. Uh yeah, to me he just is kind of the better version of the like the Luther Burden bet that people are
13:49really excited like excitedly wanting to make. Uh yeah, from week 15 on Loveland led the team in targets per out run, led
13:57the team in fantasy points per outr run on a much higher route participation rate than Luther Burton had over this period. I've made the argument for most
14:06of the summer that yeah, I think Lovelin should just be selected ahead of Luther Burden. That's not the case on every
14:12platform and in every format right now and it hasn't been throughout the summer. Uh I'm waffling a little bit in terms of like I look at like ESPN,
14:21Coulson Love's going ahead of T. Higgins and I'm like I don't know if I can go quite that far. Uh but yeah, he's
14:27definitely the just at at an aggregate of like all the ADPs around every platform. He's the early round tight end. I'm the most interested in
14:36drafting. Uh I also like that he has kind of the insulation uh relative to the Bears wide receivers of I I think there's like a real chance
14:47that he leads all Bears pass catchers in routes this year. I I know that that was like the whole issue last year was Cole
14:53Kett's on the field way too much. Uh Leland isn't playing a full-time role until week 15 or so, but the Bears
15:00really are built to run a ton of multi-tight end sets this year. They have not replaced DJ Moore with any like
15:08serious wide receiver three option. I know I know we're excited about Zavon Thomas and there but that like in itself tells me, yeah, this should be like a 12
15:17personnel team uh or even a 13 personnel team with with Sam Rous that they drafted, right? So to me it it's like
15:25Lovelin was averaging over four yards per out run and a 50% receiving yards market share when the Bears were in these heavy multi-tight end sets at the
15:33end of last year. So there there's a chance that like the offense just looks like that from week one going forward.
15:40And yeah, Lovelin's a total rocket ship in that scenario. So yeah, he's definitely the, as I said, the early round guy that I'm most amanable to. uh
15:49that I I'm probably clicking the most on average.
15:53>> So if you are in your home league draft and you can just pretty much you know the fantasy football genie taps you on
15:59the shoulder and it's like you can either get Brock Bars at the end of round two or Coulson Loveven at the end
16:03of round four. You think it's just kind of a better bill to go ahead and get Lovelin.
16:06>> Yeah. Yeah. I'm taking Lovelin there every time is my is my choice. Yep.
16:11>> Hell to that. Yeah. And it's a great point on just looking at the wide receiver three because I've I thought
16:15about that a lot with the Raiders just thinking like why are we going to be expecting Jack Bash or you know Jaylen
16:20Naylor got paid trade Tucker but you know I'm trying to just paint some sort of good scenario for all my Michael
16:25Mayer you know dynasty bags that we're just you know going down with the ship with >> you're right though Khalif Raymond
16:30Xavian Thomas they're part-time gadget players why should we expect them to be out there full-time if it'll be coming at the expense of someone like Coulson
16:37Lovelin. Obviously Cole KT not the most talented pass catcher in the world but also not a complete zero in that area.
16:43And we did see last year man already plenty of instances of trying to think is it the nub tight end or whatever like
16:48they would legit line up Lovelin out wide on his own side kind of in the boundary and just let him route up
16:53safeties because guess what? No one can cover this dude.
16:57>> Yeah. Yeah. That's like what's so amazing about him and why he like fits kind of all these multi-tight end sets
17:04so well is Yeah. He's he's a tight end, but he he can route anybody up as if he was a wide receiver essentially. So that
17:10it's kind of just like a cheat code on offense if you have that guy. So yeah, ve very much with you. Big Coulson
17:16Lovelin fan here fan here.
17:18>> Consensus top three tight ends. We've talked about him. Tyler Warren though, I do wonder, man, we talked about this with the Mecca Ibuka. We're like, okay,
17:26first six weeks of last year, incredible and got some injuries, didn't finish strong down the stretch. We all know that. If you Benjamin Button that
17:32though, if we had a Booka's first six weeks being the last six weeks, oh my god, we'd be freaking out in fantasy
17:37land. Could you say there's something similar about Tyler Warren? Because I don't fault him for not getting going with Philip Rivers under center. They
17:43obviously had to try to keep him clean.
17:45Alec Pierce, this blows my mind, Alec Pierce was the only Colts player who averaged more fantasy points after Daniel Jones got injured last season,
17:52week 18 against Texans backups, Niners game, what have you. Are we underrating Tyler Warren's chances though of just maybe finishing as the overall tight end
18:00one?
18:02>> I think there's a chance we are. Um, but I guess like my push back or the reason that I would be on a Lovelin at cost
18:08over a Tyler Warren at cost is a lot of Warren scoring and success early in the year really came off of like the play
18:17action in the RPO game when the Colts offense was uh leading the league in passing yards per game when they were
18:25like top they were top five in like red zone visits like the the offense was just working really well. And to me,
18:32Warren was kind of more of like a beneficiary of that than like a driver of that necessarily. I I think just the
18:40the way that they could that Jonathan Taylor could just run all over everybody. Uh the way that Jones was just so like dead awesome deadly for
18:49Daniel Jones in his career.
18:51>> I I I just think like all the play action RPO stuff like really kind of builds on that and Warren Yeah. great
18:58player to get the ball in his hands in that way. I I I don't know that we saw him like I I guess I don't know how like
19:06legit that is in terms of yeah he was he alphaing Michael Pitman and Alec Pierce in like the sense that we typically say
19:13I don't really know. So he's one I'm a little bit cooler on but I'm certainly open to it. I mean his yeah up through
19:20when Jones got hurt his rookie season stats were pretty comparable to like a rookie season Brock Bowers. I think that's like a totally fair comparison to
19:28make. If you want to argue like, yeah, in year two he could get way better and take over all of this intermediate stuff
19:34that Michael Pitman's leaving behind. I I totally hear that and get that. I I think I'm just betting on Josh DS more
19:41so to do that. Uh but I I I like I hear it with Warren. I I like cheaper Josh Downs, though. I think
19:48>> I hear you on that one. I also do think and I I've been trying to make sure I do this with quarterbacks, but like it does
19:53make sense Tyler Warren had a hotter start than someone like Coulson Love.
19:56He's two years older. He spent five years at Penn State. I understand that he was being the backup to a lot of, you
20:01know, quality NFL tight ends. I'm not, you know, pushing back on Tyler Warren, the talent, but it's kind of like what
20:07Tyler Shuck, man, like he comes out last year and he, yeah, does really good things down the stretch, but like shouldn't the 25 26 year old quarterback
20:13be the pro ready dude we lot him as? Uh, just some food for thought there. Could this Colts offense suck, Ryan? Because I
20:20don't love the fact that our quarterback, who has not been good for the heavy majority of his career, is coming off a right Achilles tear. That
20:28didn't exactly happen in September. And I know he's going to be back in week one, man. But you had a great tweet
20:34about this talking about um Scataboo and Judkins and some of the guys come back from those injuries. I feel like we're
20:38just so obsessed with the timeline and it's like, "All right, they're going to be back week one. They're good to go." I
20:43don't know if they're going to be anywhere close to 100%, man. And if we are assuming that they're going to be
20:47and we're not even getting a discount with them in fantasy, like that's problematic for all these guys.
20:52>> Yeah, I'd agree. Uh I think honestly all of the cults aside from like Warren and Jonathan Taylor go late enough for me
21:00where I'm not like overly concerned about it. I'm kind of willing to take the chance of yeah maybe Jones can be at
21:0680% of his pre- Achilles self and that could be good enough. Uh but I think for Warren it's a bit of a concern. For
21:13Jonathan Taylor, I think it's a massive concern. Uh, as a guy with a round 18 ADP that did not live up to round one
21:21draft capital in any games where uh like those last two games when Jones was very injured or of course uh when Philip
21:28Rivers and the Colts were falling apart at the end of the year and not winning games. Taylor is such a game script
21:33sensitive running back. He is not that active in the passing game. very much relies on positive game script, being able to just get fed 25 carries so that
21:43he can break off these big plays. And he's great at it. He's amazing at it.
21:47But to me, not that different of a bet than a Derrick Henry or than a Ken Walker uh that go around later, right,
21:55on better teams with higher Vegas win totals. So, I that's like I I totally hear you on the point you made you make
22:03on maybe the Colts suck. But I think like the takeaway is I'm fading Jonathan Taylor in round one this year.
22:08>> It is a good point. Again, it's kind of when I have had push back for drafting the Cardinals and Jets early. It also
22:13goes with the caveat like, hey, Omar Cooper is a round one talent. Okay, if you want to take him late, I can live
22:18with that because it certainly seems like the bad offense is more than baked into it. You mentioned Josh Downs real quick and I'm just kind of wondering as
22:24a whole because the Bears for example, I know we didn't quite get into this, but it does help that their passing game
22:30should very much be centered around Lovelin Burden and Dunes. I'd be very surprised if anyone else is going to have, you know, a high target share
22:36there. And Indie, assuming Pierce is okay for week one, which I think he will be. I just don't love the fact that this
22:41angle thing happened so late. If it's Pierce, DS, and Warren, that's great. We do have these unc free agent wide receivers hanging out. If we do see a
22:49Keenan Allen, a Stefon Diggs, or a Debo Samuel added to this situation, is that could be concerning for your Josh DS
22:55bags.
22:57>> Uh, I think somewhat. Yeah, it's so I I think DS is a great player on his own accord like or at least all of his pro
23:05route data for years and years tells you that. Uh but yeah, so much of the bet with DS this year is that he's going to
23:13play in two receiver sets because they just have nobody else, right? That hasn't been the case throughout his career. He has hardly ever played in two
23:21receiver sets, been pretty much exclusively an 11 personnel type of receiver. I think he can play outside. I think he can do it in two receiver sets.
23:30I don't know that the Colts are going to do that. Uh if they do sign a Stefon Diggs or a Debo Samuel or a Keenan
23:37Allen, honestly, all of those guys kind of profile as more like slot types too at this point in their careers. So may
23:44maybe there's still like an argument to be made. Uh but yeah, I think if they sign another guy, that's a signal that
23:50maybe they aren't uh as happy with Downs on the outside or they want to be able to rotate that a little bit more. So
23:57that would legit affect my opinion of it just because yes, what I'm really chasing is that he's going to run the
24:04most routes of his career by far.
24:07>> And yeah, it's not ideal at a minimum.
24:08I'm not saying you have to fade Josh Downs because of it. But it is funny when we get these signings happen and
24:13people always try to be the contrarian in the room and go, "No, actually adding someone with, you know, a history of
24:18earning targets this offense is a good thing for everyone involved, guys." So appreciate you there. Those are the big four early round tight ends that you
24:25have to use like meaningful draft capital on in more leagues than not. If you guys are trying to wait again another, you know, 20, 30, 40 picks
24:32sometimes. We see them go outside of top 100 depending on your format. Cal Pitts, Tucker Craft, Sam Leaporta, Harold Fannon. Choose your fighter Ryan. If you
24:40are going to be going out to more of a mid-round tight end, which one of which one of these guys would you like to come
24:43away with?
24:45>> Very easily my favorite is Sam Leaporta.
24:48Uh he's going to be like a flag plant for me this year. I think I I kind of don't get why we're drafting him so much
24:57several rounds later than we have throughout his entire career. I he has been excellent any time that he has played a full-time role in any games
25:07over his career that he's been above a 75% route share. He's averaged 15.9 fantasy points per game, which would easily have been the tight end two
25:17behind McBride last year. That's an 18game sample. This is not like cherry-picking that. That's just like any game that he was healthy and played
25:25the whole game effectively, right?
25:27>> Uh and also in that same split, he is either tied with or just ahead of Jameson Williams in targets per out run
25:36in target share in all pro route stats.
25:39Like we we are drafting Jameson Williams right now as if he's the clear number two option for the Lions. I don't think
25:45that's true at any time that Sam Leaport is healthy and on the field. not been the case uh really at any point that
25:52they've both been healthy. So to me, I think Laaporta is just this underrated piece of the offense that has the highest implied Vegas point per game
26:01total of any team this year. They're expected to score the most points uh by Vegas Lions. Uh we have this history of
26:09upside with Leaporta when he's fully healthy and on the field. Uh and we have uh new offensive coordinator Drew Petting coming in. who has had Trey
26:20McBride above that 75% route share in each of his last 29 games. I just think that the tight end routes and the total
26:28tight end usage in this offense could be higher than we've been accustomed to.
26:32So, all of that just compounds into Leaporta's running more routes. He's commanding more targets than Jameson Williams at that time when he is. Uh,
26:41and yeah, he's a guy mo more than probably any of the names you just mentioned that could easily have like the outlier touchdown type of season uh,
26:49in this offense. So, yeah, easily Leaporta for me. My favorite kind of middle like latestish round target at tight end.
26:57>> Checks the offense. We've seen him produce. I just hope the back is okay. I know he's avoiding pup to get there. I
27:03just don't love when these guys have to back surgeries and I know Titans got that dog in them and they'll be able to
27:08push through it and everything.
27:10I hesitate to even bring this up. It's probably nothing, Ryan. I don't want to pretend like I'm, you know, I don't have
27:15sources. I'm not an insider guys who has all these sources and then the second the news comes out, I then tell you guys
27:20I knew all along. But every once in a while, some of you DM me some interesting things that I do appreciate.
27:25Buddy of mine was hanging out in Irons, Michigan, middle of nowhere. He said some Lions coaches were parting at the campground. All them raving about JO. OC
27:33likes to take some deep shots. Weirdly, they weren't high on their team. This was interesting, though. The tight end coach was apparently concerned about
27:39Laaporta being healthy. Again, he avoided the pup. It's probably nothing.
27:45That's the only thing that I see where it goes wrong though, Ryan. It's Sam Laaporta coming back from the back injury and just looking like a show of
27:51himself. I don't think we can assume that's going to be the case or anything, but like I think if that is the only
27:56thing we're worried about and he looks good out there, all right, all wheels go.
27:59>> Yeah. No, I I mean I'd agree that could certainly derail this, but I I'd also say like Tucker Craft's coming back from
28:05an ACL. like we've we have [laughter] lot we have lots of guys like this. Um I think you I get to a point in drafts
28:11with Leaporta where it's like I'm I'm kind of willing to take the risk and also he has amazing contingent upside as
28:19well maybe more so than any other tight end. Like either one of Aman Ross St.
28:23Brown or Jameson Williams get injured.
28:24Sam Leaport's weekly projection goes up by three to four points. Right. I and that's not as I don't think that's like
28:31as direct for every every tight end in the league to where you have multiple like easy outs like that. So he Yeah,
28:38he's someone that I I'm in on if the if the back is what kills me, so be it.
28:43>> I tend to also feel good about just having someone like Dan Campbell leading the charge because John Morton didn't work out last year. He obviously lost
28:50his play calling duties halfway through the year. What happened? Campbell took over. like it would be different somewhere where we have more of a
28:56defensive minded head coach and we don't have that worst case, you know, play caller to take over if Drew Pson isn't
29:00going to be that guy. I tend to think Pson is just fine. You know, again, I've said before, I'll say again my two
29:06favorite like, you know, real life ball knowers out there, Nate Tyson, Benjamin Solic, like they both rave about some of the things that Pson can do
29:11schematically. Again, with your play caller piece, do you have some similar takeaways? Because I know the Cardinals weren't lighting up scoreboards, but the
29:18run game was really good in 2023 and 2024 especially, and you know, we did get Yeah. a lot of Ben Garber's time,
29:23but still some pretty good production from Jacobian and company last year, which I don't think should be completely taken for granted.
29:29>> Oh, yeah. No, Ping's run game is one of the most impressive in the NFL to me over the last couple of seasons. Uh, by
29:36yards per carry, by EPA per rush, like any kind of rushing efficiency stat you want to look at, he is first or second
29:42in the NFL, uh, and only ever second to like Todd Monkin with Derrick Henry and Lamar Jackson, like that type of thing,
29:49right? it it yeah like with the personnel he's had he has done amazingly in the run game. Uh I've been less
29:56impressed by his passing games and like the just the design of his offense. He hasn't used as much of like the under
30:03center play action like uh motion like all the play calling cheat codes. I think you can put some of that on Kyler
30:09Murray potentially. And I think you can also look at this Lions team. Look at Jared Goff, uh, who is one of the
30:17quarterbacks that has like used the motion at the snap like the most effectively of anyone in the league. Dan Campbell, who's been like an advocate of
30:26that for years and years and years. And I think you can pretty pretty easily say this is could this could be like a
30:31really effective marriage basically between a Petting and a Dan Campbell. I think Campbell's probably going to be somewhat still involved in the offense
30:39and the overall vision. I I I just kind of think all of it can mesh together really well or at least I'm optimistic
30:45there. And yeah, as you said, if it doesn't work well, we have like that safety hatch of Dan Campbell's done it.
30:51He did it to John Morton. Uh and he did it in 2021 to was it Anthony Lynn? I think uh just yeah, taking over play
30:59calling mid-season, making the offense way better. Like that's always a safety hatch we have with these Lions players that I think is yeah, maybe a little bit
31:07underappreciated for all of them.
31:10Ryan said it. I I've seen both Vegas I've seen one sports book have Lions won. The other one I think they were
31:14three or whatever. But regardless, yeah, everyone expects the Lions to be really good. And why wouldn't you? Other than you can honestly say they've been the
31:21best, most consistent highscoring offense of the last half decade. I think the only team that would have an argument for that is the Buffalo Bills.
31:26And I feel even better about the Lions this year than the Bills. So certainly get going with Laaporta. Mention the Tucker Craft ACL. A little bit more
31:34going on. I hate when there is that comma ACL and this, but should be back by week one. I would like to think he's
31:40ready to go ahead and do his thing. I'm I'm curious, Ryan, because I did do a little bit of research myself. I'm
31:45looking at tight ends and their average target def because Craft and Fannon, even Leaporta last year, which surprised me. I didn't remember him having such a
31:51low uh average target defer, so I'm going to leave him out of the combo for now. But Craft and Fannon were
31:58very low. And they got that dog in them.
32:00I get it. These dudes are probably top two. Oh, I darn Washington there out of respect. But watching these guys with
32:06the football in their hand is so freaking fun, man. I feel like it's asking them to do so much though. When I
32:12went ahead and I look back at the truly elite, like the top three scoring tight ends every year. It was only I think
32:18George KD was the only guy with like a sub 6.5 average target depth that actually posted the top three season over the course of the last decade. Now
32:25Bowowers and McBride in 2024 were at like 6.6 and whatever. Um, again, in general though, do you think these lower AD dot tight ends maybe have less of a
32:36sky-high ceiling because we are trying to again, if we're using a top 80 pick on the guy like we would like someone
32:40that ideally can rip off that 15 plus fantasy point season.
32:45>> Yeah, that's an interesting angle. I I actually didn't realize Craft had such a low average depth of target last year.
32:50That's a bit surprising to me. Uh, but yeah, I do think there's something there that really matters, which is that just
32:56in general, tight ends are going to see on average are seeing less volume than wide receivers. So, the ones that hit
33:04like the super sky-high ceilings are very often the ones that are just very efficient on a perarget basis, even like also a per out basis, but a per target
33:13basis. like guys that can turn up the field and maximize every single opportunity they get just because it's a generally a lower sample of targets and
33:22opportunities, right? So, yeah, I really do care about the hyper efficiency for tight ends. Uh I would say Tucker Craft like checks that box for me in that he's
33:32just so special after the catch. uh like every single year for the last like five seasons, it's been either him or George
33:39KD that leads all tight ends in yards after the catch, per reception, uh yards per target, over expectation, like any of these like overexpectation, fancy ass
33:49efficiency stats Tucker Craft is just amazing in. Uh so he I'm not so concerned about that for him, but I I do
33:55think that's a legit thing uh in general where you you want the tight ends that can stretch the field especially. That's
34:02like such a rare skill for tight ends that can't like can pay off in in a big way. So yeah, I I I don't agree.
34:19At least they weren't asked to last season though. In Kyle Pittz's case, I think you could argue he was doing a
34:24little bit too much stretching the field earlier in his career, also dealing with the knee injury. And then last year, I
34:28thought they actually did a good job getting him some more layups. That said, wasn't exactly shaping up to be a breakout Kyle Pittzier until Drake
34:36London was out of that picture. We also saw Michael Penn leave the equation, Kirk Cousins come in, and really just Pepper's number one tight end, you know,
34:42throughout the second half of that season. So, I have not generally been drafting honestly this whole tier. I've been kind of doing Ricky Bobby first or
34:50last. you know, I'm either getting the Bowers or the Loveland or I'm just gonna be waiting till later rounds. Where are
34:55you at with Kyle Pittz? Because for me, I can't really get past the Drake London splits because not only are the splits
35:03like fantasy points, which is obviously, you know, the king and that's what we're trying to score. But the efficiency stuff and we're talking about Pitts
35:09going from one of the most efficient tight ends in the league to dirt just based on London being on the field.
35:15Yeah, I mean it's 10 fantasy points per game, tight end 17 uh in games that Drake London was in the lineup. Uh if
35:24you just look at the intermediate range of the field, uh so like between five and 15 yards for your depth of target,
35:32uh Drake when Drake London was off the field, Pitts's first read target share in those areas more than doubled. It was
35:39like 35% without London, which is like the Drake London role effectively, right?
35:44uh 14% from weeks 1 through 11 with London healthy. Uh he just effectively he went from not being involved there on
35:52like those kind of breadandbut like high value fantasy routes and targets to to being very involved on them for all of
36:00like three or four weeks. Yeah, I I am just not paying the Kyle Pitts price uh relative to a Leaporta or to a Tucker
36:08Craft where I I just think like the offense has a lot of upside that they can benefit from. I I just can't really
36:15see that with Pitts and the Falcons. I I'm very I'm big on Drake London this year. I I like him quite a bit just
36:21because he has uh been been like such an alpha target earner in so many situations throughout his career in so many different systems. I and has has
36:31been a good fantasy scorer. Anytime he's been healthy and that there's been like real pass volume in the offense. So, he's someone I'm in on. I I'm out on
36:38Kyle Pittz.
36:39>> It is one of those things where I don't doubt Drake London's talent. And look at Bejian Robinson. None of us are worried
36:44about the offensive system or the quarterbacks or anything like that.
36:47That's why we're drafting him inside the top two picks any draft. I do wonder, are we giving Kevin Stfansky and Tommy
36:53Reese a little bit too much credit for just giving prime Nick Chub the football a handful of years ago? because these
36:58Browns offenses have been rough, man. I know these guys. Look, I'm I'm an Ohio guy, all right? I've seen that Tim Couch
37:04jersey over the years where it's just one freaking new bad sag quarterback after another. But I don't think 2026 Duo and Penn are a good situation. I'm
37:15sure they'll both be fine by week one.
37:16These injuries going on, Cooper Rushing there. All right, that's some subject for another day. But that would just be my concern about London Pitts and even
37:23Bejon, man. Like I don't think the Falcons are going to be the worst offense in the league, but if we do look
37:28up in December and they're 30th in scoring, I don't think it should shock us, you know.
37:33>> Yeah, I I agree. Uh this is this in combination with all the praise I just gave to Drew Petting's run game is why
37:39Gibbs is like the clear 101 over Bejon to me.
37:43I will say just on I I agree there's definitely a world where we're giving these guys too much credit. I am really
37:50rooting for Michael Penn to win the job or to at least become the starter at some point in the season just because
37:57we've seen such great chemistry with him and Drake London. Uh London averages 20.6 fantasy points per game and 12 Michael Pennic starts over his career
38:06like that. That's just elite wide receiver one stuff. I'm willing to kind of throw out like the play caller and the system and all all of those
38:15considerations when I have just a split, an elite split like that. Uh but yeah, I mean it's it like makes me think a
38:23little when if if Tua is actually the favorite to be the week one starter. Uh it what if this is just like a total
38:31checkown bonanza to maybe only be Jean and London's left out to dry? That that enters my thinking like 5% when I'm
38:38touting Drake London. I like I I will give you that.
38:41>> I have London wide receiver nine. It was funny. I've been barking on Reddit a lot more. I actually love that community,
38:46man. They they keep you honest over in those streets. But uh and someone was like, "Why are you so low on Drake
38:51London?" I was like, I mean, wide receiver nine is not that low. Like I don't need to break out of the third
38:55hand or anything yet to start counting the guys. But I hear what you're saying.
38:59And in that 12game sample, like the 17 game target pace for Drake London with Michael Penn is 188. So, as much as I'm
39:06saying, yeah, maybe at the end of the year, they're 30th ranked scoring offense. We could also be in December, it's like a London has 15 more targets
39:12than the next closest wide receiver. So, certainly could see it going that way.
39:16Young baller target hog wide receivers just in general, man. Probably shouldn't be missing, you know, the forest retreats there. Don't be afraid to draft
39:23Mr. Drake London. We've gone through the early round tight ends, the middle round tight ends. Now, we kind of get to the
39:29late round group. Okay, so these aren't necessarily the order of ADP, but we do have these ank veterans. All right, we
39:35got Mark Andrews, we got George KD, Dallas Gddard, Travis Kelce. If you are in your draft, you wanted Coulson Lovelin. Ah, crap. Your stupid friend
39:43Billy took him before you. Oh, okay.
39:44I'll get Sam Leaporta. Oh my god, someone already drafted two tight ends.
39:48These things happen in drafts. So, if you can't find a way to get maybe Leaporta or Coulson Lovelin, KD, Andrews, Goddard, Kelsey, are you
39:55looking for any of them or it's also okay if the answer is just no?
39:59>> Uh, I'm interested in two of them. Uh Dallas Goddard I think is just we're getting a discount for basically no
40:07reason. Uh his splits with and without AJ Brown over his career have been excellent. I I think Dallas Garter you can just click him and expect to get at
40:18worst a low-end tight end one and have the position be solved for you at like a minimum and that that's like all you
40:25kind of have to do. I I've seen like no evidence that he's washed. I don't think that Eli Sters has any effect whatsoever
40:33on Dallas Goddard's playing time or his route share. Uh this is likely going to be more of like a throwing over the
40:40middle of the field type of offense than it's ever been before with Jaylen Herz, at least from what Shawn Manion has said
40:46and what uh like the national sources have said. So that I think benefits God as well. So, he's someone I feel really
40:53solid about as maybe a little bit more of like a stabilizing floor play uh for among these old guys, but I he's like my
41:00pick kind of out of that group. Uh KD I'm intrigued by. I didn't like expect to want to be in on the like the 30
41:11something year old 33 is he now coming off an Achilles tear. Like if you asked me earlier in the offseason, I I'd have
41:18been like, "Yeah, no freaking way, dude." like I like when when I watched that injury, I was like, "Oh, I hope
41:24that's not his career." Like that that was my instant reaction. But I don't know, man. Like the more I kind of look
41:32at this and this offense and just like the where we're drafting all of the tight ends this year, I'm kind of
41:39intrigued by KD, especially because he kind of goes late enough that you could also take like a second stabilizing tight end. maybe a Dallas GDart for
41:48example for like the early season. Uh and if you are willing to spend two roster spots on a tight end like the
41:54upside for KD in the second half of the season is as high as anybody really. Uh leads all tight ends in yards per run
42:02over the last five years. Uh leads all players in EPA per target over the last five years which is crazy ahead of Puka
42:11Nua. Like he he is so awesome. He has played through like a laundry list of injuries throughout his entire career.
42:18Like the guy's an absolute madman. So he him like over a Mark Andrews over a Travis Kelce for sure for me. So th
42:26those are kind of the two names that I'm interested in in that range.
42:29>> KD's been my pick for again Aliens and Vadas. We got to save civilization by beating them in a football game. I mean
42:35George KD tight end one everyone. I know it hasn't been the case in fantasy, but look, these offenses have been awesome
42:40not needing to feature him. And as you mentioned earlier, like you look at the yards after catch, all the overexpectation stuff. I mean,
42:45everything tells you that KD has made the absolute most of his opportunities.
42:49It's just been a more crowded offense.
42:51Ricky Pearl is already freaking hurt. I It sounds like he could be out for this season, which would be devastating. So
42:57now we got a fellow 30 plus year old and Mike Evans, a fellow 30 soon to be 30-year-old Ank and Christian McCaffrey.
43:03like this could maybe wind up being the season, especially in the second half where we actually see KD be the number
43:09one pass game option in San Fran. The last time we did that, oh, what do you do? Break the freaking single season
43:14receiving yard record. This does feel like a situation, man, where we are seeing KD price far closer to his floor than his ceiling. I I hear you. I
43:22haven't even been I'm talking myself in the draft anymore, but the Achilles and the Age thing has been why I just
43:28haven't gotten all in on as well, but that seems to be pretty baked in at this point.
43:33Yeah, I'd agree. And like basically every report the entire off seasonason has been like weirdly positive on it.
43:40Like I I would not have expected this >> from everyone. Get old Channy Lynch, like all parties.
43:45>> Yeah. And like I I'm not like the injury expert guy. Uh but most of the injury guys that are in the industry uh our our
43:53own Jeff Mueller at Fantasy Points included think yeah there's a maybe not week one because they are playing internationally but week two there's
44:01like a very good chance he's out there is he in his full self until October or November December maybe not but like
44:08there there's he could be on the field and we're going to get a look at him. So that yeah that's it's pretty compelling
44:13to me. Uh he he is someone I think you have to at least think about uh in managed leagues for sure.
44:20>> I shout out Jeff like every other show on here at JM Thrive PT. Got it memorized. I should get it tattooed on
44:25my freaking forearm at this point. But again just the blend of fantasy analysis with actually you know having a freaking doctorate knowing what he's talking
44:32about with that. So so special. How the team over there at fantasy points obviously so many cool statistics.
44:38Average separation score. Yeah that's right baby. We're talking about some ass now. But again, such a cool player suite and you know, kind of snatching a
44:46certain someone, one of my former employers, chain over there. So again, can't recommend so much about again getting in on the fantasy points
44:53business. The Dallas thing, you're right, man. He's tight in 14, tight end 15. I just get pissed off at the ridiculous nature of his goal line
45:03touchdowns last year. These shovel passes, they gave him like a fly sweep in the playoff game. I mean, it was like
45:10Patulo, your entire offense is broken.
45:12He's just out there scheming up plays for Dallas inside the 5yd line. But then again, you take away AJ Brown and even
45:18if we aren't getting those ridiculous gimmick plays, like we know Dallas is real good now. He has a chance to be the
45:24number two option for the first time in a minute. is Dallas Goddard, if you're in again a traditional 12 team reddraft
45:31league, is he kind of like that tight end you're circling like, okay, worst comes to worse, like he's my break break
45:36glass in case of emergency guy?
45:38>> That's how I would think of it. Yeah. Uh he's like it's nice to draft him and then optionally take like a second maybe
45:45higher upside shot uh on one of like the I'd say like extremely low floor like risky later guys that we might be about
45:52to talk about. But yeah, I think he specifically fits like the two tight end builds really really well. And you don't
45:59have to take a second tight end. You you can easily just take him and have the position figured out. I think
46:04>> I think if you want to do it exactly with what you're talking about, you kind of got your floor player and you want an
46:09upside guy, absolutely go for it. But don't feel like you have to guys. We'll figure out the, you know, bye week
46:14later. And if you want to take a shot with, you know, a handcuffed running back on your bench instead, I really
46:17would recommend that. But speaking of again some of those more potential upside darts, Dolan Concincaid, Isaiah Likely, Chigio Conquo, they're all sort
46:25of in the same manner. We all believe in their receiving ability to varying, you know, extents, but concaid last year, the per route numbers were borderline
46:32erotic. Likely has done some really good things in Baltimore. Just obviously been blocked by Mark Andrews and Cher Conquo.
46:37I mean, year one in a smaller sample, he was up there with Kelsey at the top of the league. Hasn't gotten as great the
46:43last few years, but again, part-time roles. In Concade's case, we're hoping that the knee's healthy enough to have a full-time role. And in likely in Chig's
46:50case, we're like new offenses. They just got paid a lot of money. Are you confident in these guys enough to actually be, you know, pairing them with
46:57a Goddard? Or do you think that's kind of a fugazi and we're just doing the thing we do every year in the fantasy
47:02streets thinking there's more viable tight ends than there actually are?
47:06>> I think that's the way to play basically all three of those names is to Yeah. to like pair them with a Gddard. Uh, I
47:13mean, I would just draft Daltton Concincaid as like my one tight end cuz I'm just very comfortable saying if this doesn't work out, I'm fine with it and
47:20I'll stream the position. I understand that's not everybody. Uh, but yeah, I think there's at least a chance. We have to we have to take the idea seriously of
47:29what would happen and how likely is it that each of these guys gets a full-time role. Uh, with Concaid, I more my argument would be I don't know
47:39that he needs like a totally full-time role. We don't need him at a 75 80% route share. Like if if this guy had a
47:4665% route share, he would be a massive win at cost, possibly a league winner, right? Uh he he averaged over 14 fantasy
47:53points per game in any games he ran over 50% of the routes last year. Uh which which is really just like the first few
48:00games of the season and a couple of playoff games when he was like at his most healthy, right? So, I I really
48:07think like on this Bill's offense, there's a chance that he he matters for fantasy even on kind of like a pseudo in
48:14between part-time to full-time role.
48:17That's part of why I am yeah kind of attracted to him in the later rounds. I think Chig is also interesting. He's one
48:26what going back to our discussion earlier about on these bad offenses that or not bad offenses but bad teams that are constantly trailing we see kind of
48:35the flex style tight ends get on the field more and succeed more. That's the case I would make for Chig. I think it
48:43immediately goes away if the commanders just sign Stefon Diggs or any of these other free agent wide receivers. I >> it feels like it's not if it's when
48:51that's the problem.
48:52>> Yeah. So when that happens Yeah. you probably won't hear me mention Shika Conko's name again for the rest of the
48:58offseason, but until then or if it doesn't happen that then yeah, I think that's a case you can make. He's like a
49:04totally believable final round dart to me. Uh Isaiah likely I think you're kind of paying as if he's going to have a
49:12full-time role. Like he he has similar ADP to a to a concaid for example, but he's just on a so much worse offense.
49:20Like I have no faith in Matt Naggie or anything that the Giants are doing this year really. So unlike with Concaid, I
49:29don't think like it's good enough for likely if he's at 60 65% of the routes.
49:34Like you need him playing a legit full-time role, 70 75% plus route share.
49:40You need him like commanding five, six, seven targets per game. I think maybe honestly maybe before we've gotten all of this positive injury news and like
49:51good-looking videos of Malik Neighbors that I was maybe more convinced by that or it was at least closer for me. Uh now
50:00I'm kind of like nah man like why why are we I'm not buying into Isaiah likely when Malik Neighbors is at least at
50:08least as good of a coin flip to be on the field in week one. like he this is not to me a situ I don't want like the
50:15the even if he's the second target in the passing game I don't want that on the Giants like whatsoever uh when Malik
50:21Neighbors is there. So yeah, I I'm probably good on Isaiah likely even like ignoring the risk of Yeah, this guy has
50:28never really played a full-time route share in his entire career. Uh even in games he has, it's like it's not like
50:36the most amazing target share that he's pulled. Uh, I'm I'm scrolling trying to find this right now, but it's uh let's
50:43see. I had this exact stat. Sorry to completely grind this to a halt, but it it's something it's like it's like
50:514.8 targets per game when he's over a 70% route share or something to that effect. And it the fantasy points are
50:58good cuz he played with Lamar Jackson and scored a lot of touchdowns in that sample, but he's never been like that
51:04outside of like that one game against the Chiefs two or three years ago. He's never been like this high-end target volume guy at all in the NFL. So, yeah.
51:13I don't know.
51:14>> And the whole Matt Naggie part and then you say, "Well, who else they have on staff?" Greg Roman. It's I love the
51:20point you brought up earlier, too. It's like some of these coaches. I'm sure I'm not trying to take anything away from
51:24Greg Roman. He'll forget more football than I know in my entire life. But is Greg Roman responsible for Lamar Jackson enabling all these great running
51:32offenses? I don't know, man. I'm pretty sure Lamar would have been just fine even if he didn't know who Greg Roman
51:36was. Brian freaking Callahan is also in this brain trust man. So Giants could not be very good. Washington saying I will say the bullc case would still be
51:45like likely could slash should be a number two option there. Same thing with Chig right now as as long as they don't
51:51take on another wide receiver but kind of seems like they will. So if you are going to be investing in more of a bad
51:55offense, yeah, you want it to be one with less target competition so we can hopefully overcome some of that with the
52:01volume. But we don't have to worry about that when we have Dolan Concaid in a really freaking good offense also with a
52:07chance to be a number two.
52:09>> Yep. Yeah. It it is really kind of as simple as that for me. Uh just Yeah.
52:14Give give me the guy that led all tight ends in yards per run by like a massive margin last year that is in Yeah. is in
52:22one of the best offenses in the league where at least I personally am pretty suspicious of a DJ Moore uh being like
52:30the number one target earner engine of that offense. He he's someone whose like efficiency data has massively come down every each of the last three years. Uh
52:39has like got out alpha by a healthy Roma Dunay got out outed by a part-time Luther Burden and Coloulston Loveland at
52:47the end of the year. like yeah to to me there's like even more of like a target vacuum if you want to put it that way
52:53for the Bills than any of these other teams. So yeah, I just even more reason to be interested in concade. Like we
53:00could totally flip over to week one and he could be at like a 45% route share and I'm 100% willing to say, "Yeah, I
53:06was wrong. Drop him." But that it's like that's like a risk I want to take on tight ends in the late rounds. It's it's
53:12much more about like what would happen if they hit for me than uh is is this like the safest pick. That's what you
53:18got Dallas Goddard for.
53:20>> If you knew again Fantasy Genie taps you on the shoulder and goes Kinc Kade's going to be at 75% plus routes.
53:27Tight end five, tight end four, like that's what we could see as early as week two if we get it.
53:33>> Yeah. Oh, if I if that was like the one stat line that I knew from the season is KQ Concinc Kaid's route share and it's
53:40anywhere north of 70%. Yeah. 100% exposure. He's he'd be like my most drafted player. 100%. Yeah.
53:48>> What if you knew Terence Ferguson had a 70% route rate? What would that do for you? [laughter] >> I I like the way you're talking. Uh
53:57yeah, he's he's exciting to me. Um, we talked about the how valuable that vertical skill set is for tight ends earlier in the show. Ferguson more more
54:07than especially any of the other Rams tight ends, but it just in general had one of the deepest like usage profiles
54:14in the league last year. Uh, his college profile was pretty fun, especially in hindsight. He was more productive than Kenyan Sadi was at Oregon. Like he he's
54:26pretty interesting to me. Uh, I don't know like exactly where the Rams offense is going to go next. I don't want to
54:31just assume just because they ran a lot of 13 personnel and three tight end sets last year that that like Shawn McVey is
54:38going to do the same thing. He's always a step ahead. Who knows what the next wrinkle is, but yeah, there's a legit
54:43argument to say Devonte Adams uh great season last year, highly utilized in the red zone in these heavier personnel sets, but like he's a year older. the
54:54Rams at least thought about moving on from him last year. They were uh not not even rumored like confirmed I think by
55:00McVey to have been in on AJ Brown like exploring options to trade for him uh assumably because they thought that he
55:10was going to be better at this point in his career than Adams. Like I I don't know that the Rams are like 100% certain
55:17that Adams is making it through the season. I I think that that opens up like a huge potential opportunity for a
55:23Terrence Ferguson. They would go I think a lot more of these heavy two and three tight end sets and Ferguson more than
55:31anyone else any of their other tight ends is like the route winner like the field stretcher the like efficiency guy there. So he he is legit interesting. I
55:40think maybe a little too deep in like your typical 10 to 12 team manage reddraft home league. Uh, but like someone that should be on your watch
55:49list that you should be very interested in. Uh, if he puts up like a big sat line in week one, he would be like an
55:55instant like top of the week one waiver wire for me. Uh, yeah. Or in any deeper formats. I think I think he's a very
56:01interesting late round pick.
56:03>> I know McVey usually doesn't trot the starters out there for much or at all, you know, in the preseason, but my god,
56:09if we got like two Stafford drives, Ferguson's out there for six of eight snaps. It's not going to take much, man.
56:14It took like some fanfiction from a beat reporter talking about Jonathan Brooks sticking his foot in the ground for everyone to be like, "Oh my god, look at
56:21this." Didn't even need a highlight.
56:22Just got some again reporting from the practice. I do think Terren Ferguson is in that uh you know, same sort of
56:27stratosphere because we as a fantasy committ are very sick. But I love each and every one of you for it. It's okay
56:33if it's Terren Ference Ferguson. I mentioned Michael Mayer, but just for our dynasty fiends out there, is there like a deep pull? someone who no is
56:40probably not going to do much this year, but is there a guy where on your dynasty bench you want them because you do
56:44believe in their future?
56:47>> Uh this is like the deepest poll possible. So I like this is like a taxi squad dynasty only play. Uh I really
56:56liked Tanner Kosial coming out uh who the Jaguars drafted on day three. Uh he just had one of the most impressive
57:05production profiles of any tight end over the last few years to me, which is saying something because we just had one
57:11of the most impressive tight end classes in back in 2025. Uh Gadson in terms of team reception share has two out of the
57:20top seven or top eight seasons by any college tight end uh over the last 5 to 10 years. That's a list with with him
57:29twice, like Trey McBride twice, uh with Harold Fannon, with like ba basically all of the super productive tight ends that have popped in the NFL.
57:40>> Kosial of course doing it against slightly lesser competition, but I mean he still did it in a power conference.
57:47Uh did did it at two different schools.
57:50I don't know that he gets on the field this year, but yeah, long term he's kind of interesting to me. I can't tell you
57:56exactly what his path to snaps is on the Jaguars uh with Brentton Strange there with uh Nate Borcature there that they
58:05massively overdrafted. He's like a blocking only guy to me. So uh yeah, Co Kiel's interesting. If there if there were an injury there, if the Jaguars
58:13actually did ever try to go like crazy multi-tight end set stuff, uh Coil is like a fun taxi squad stash for me. It
58:21is one of those things where we and it's great that we spend three, four months a year focusing on the draft class.
58:26There's nothing else to do January through April. I get it. But we do sometimes overthink these guys. Oh, he's at Ball State and Houston and all this
58:33and oh, look at Brett Strange there. And then it's like that Jedi and the idiot meme where it's like look at the
58:39production. He's a tight end. He caught a lot of freaking passes. We saw I'm not saying he's going to be Harold Fannon
58:43nor Ronda Gatston, but you know, it's not a bad start when again the dude is literally free. So Tanner Kosio heard it
58:50here. I'm pretty sure it's actually would be first uh for that one. So, rooting for him, my friend. Last thing, Ryan, you've been fantastic. You've gone
58:57through Lovelin, Leaporta, Goddard, some of your favorite targets, but in your heart of hearts, like where do you see you kind of attacking tight end in more
59:06drafts than not this year? Do you want to try to go early with Lovelin? Do you want to try to say, "Okay, let me get,
59:10you know, six, seven guys, then go Leaporta, or do you want to play the late round tight end game?" Just generally,
59:15>> I think in general, I'm most going to lean toward the late round guys. So, ju Yeah. Really, one of the names I just
59:22mentioned are like the the Gddard two tight end thing uh that we talked about.
59:27>> Yeah. [laughter] Yeah. Maybe maybe not him in in reddraft, but yeah, I that's where I'm at. As I mentioned, just we have seen
59:37more success out of the tight end position in the late rounds historically, like the last 10 plus years than at any other position. It's
59:45the position that gives you generally like the least edge for having a top three guy versus a bottom three starter out of any of the fantasy positions.
59:55Like I just don't generally want to spend up on a tight end there. you have so few chances to draft like these
60:04difference-making league winning running backs and wide receivers. Your chances just get worse as every round passes.
60:10Most of the most important like league winning players uh at those positions do come in the first four, first six rounds. Like any chance that you're
60:19giving up for to hit those guys to draft a tight end to me is just potentially wasted. uh when you can get 80 to 90% of
60:28the benefit out from the late rounds at the position. So that's just philosophically where I where I am uh where where I've been for most of my
60:36fantasy football like content career. Uh sure that's yeah that's just kind of where I'm at from all the data that I
60:43review every single season with like positional win rates and such.
60:47>> Ryan, thank you so much for the time, man. By the time this is out, I believe your blood, sweat, and tears will also
60:54be out. Tell us about the anatomy of a league winner and just how much hard work went into this. Yeah, man. Anatomy
61:01of a league winner. It is my like biggest flagship article every single year. I go back through nine 10 years of
61:10data uh just figuring out the players that have been on the most uh playoff rosters in fantasy football. figuring out all the commonalities between them,
61:21looking for uh different traits at every position that leads to guys being these league winners. Uh it goes like heavily into ADP and like where to draft each
61:32position, what's the most valuable. I like delve into the psychology of drafters and try to figure out why some running backs get drafted to later than
61:41they should or earlier than they should.
61:43it. It's like a 22,000word manifesto just on the art of drafting a fantasy football team. I highly recommend it. I Yeah, I put so much work into it every
61:54single year. Anatomy of a league winner.
61:56It should be up over on fantasypoints.com by the time you're listening to this. So yeah, go check it out if that sounds
62:03interesting to you guys.
62:05>> Great cont, great content, great stats, great just overall team over there, Fantasy Points. Appreciate all you guys and appreciate you guys for checking out
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62:17You know, do whatever you guys want at the end of the day. But guys, we're going to be back next week with more
62:21specific draft strategy stuff because guess what? August is here. All right, so tiers have been fun. Bling out breaking down the players has been fun.
62:27But again, time to start getting into exactly who we should be drafting, when, and where to go ahead and win some
62:32money. Get those bragging rights over friends, family, and enemies alike. So for Ryan, I'm Ian. Thanks again for tuning in. And until next time, take
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