0:00What's going on everybody? Today we're breaking down all things about an auction fantasy football draft. That's right. If you are new to the game, well,
0:08welcome because you're about to have your freaking mind blown by one of the best forms of fantasy football. Or if you're just back again ready to enter
0:15your one or many auction leagues, I got one of the best in the business to help get us set up with some strategy, some
0:20do's and don'ts, and just some general goodness along the way. Drew Davenport, Football Guys staff. You can find his very specific auction work over on the
0:28auction brief pod at Drew Davenport FF.
0:30They also might know you, Drew, as being, you know, your favorite lawyer's favorite fantasy football lawyer. You're always blessing us with again some great
0:37breakdowns whenever, you know, not even whenever, on like on a weekly basis that NFL players tend to do something stupid in one way or another. So, auctions,
0:44lawyer, poker, you're pretty cool guy, Drew.
0:48>> Thanks, man. That's quite the introduction. I appreciate that. Yeah, it's it's I love hanging out with you on shows, hanging out with you in real
0:55life, whatever the case may be. Always a good day when I get to talk to Ian Hartitz.
1:00>> I would even argue it's a great day to be great, Drew, but >> I wasn't going to steal the tagline.
1:04>> [laughter] >> I appreciate you. So again, great stuff here, guys. And Drew, I just kind of wanted to start off because, you know,
1:10I've been doing auctions maybe five, six years now. I know you've been there for a long time, but I know that a lot of
1:15times you're probably in an auction where you see the newbies going out there and trying to wrap your mind around things. So, is there a kind of a
1:21common or like a biggest mistake that you see from people who are brand new to auction drafts?
1:26>> Yeah, certainly. And and there's like, believe me, when you ask this question, like I like 15 things, but like the if
1:33if I if I got to pick a couple of the biggest ones, um number one is you're you're going to really have trouble
1:39adjusting to the speed of the auction.
1:42It is hard. And and so don't undersell the fact that part of your um preparation should be not only just preparing more and being more prepared
1:51than you would think you need to be.
1:53But on top of that, you just need to get yourself situated before the draft starts, your software, whatever draft sheet you're working off
2:00of, your tiers, and all that stuff. Just make sure you are ready cuz when they say go, the first couple guys, yeah,
2:05they're going to be expensive, but after that, it goes quick, and you just got to be ready. And uh you know, I was at the
2:11King's Classic, I was having trouble keeping up. Uh the auctioneer was selling people, and then we got somebody entering them on the board, and somebody
2:17else is nominating, and I'm like, that's a lot. I've been doing this 25 years.
2:21So, that's part of part of the equation, but the second thing I'd say is that beginners have a tendency to be one
2:27extreme or the other when the draft starts. And you got to avoid that.
2:31Either they're jumping into the deep end, and they're buying two guys for $65, and they're like, look, that's, you know, hey, I've still got 70 bucks left,
2:39and they don't realize that 14 people uh need to be on their roster still in 70 bucks. So, that's that's number one. Or
2:46the other way, people get too timid.
2:48They think, hey, everybody knows something that I don't know.
2:52Um why are these guys so expensive? And a lot of times, what happens is they're working off of a definite um price list,
3:00and that price list is guiding them, and sometimes that price list is just a little bit conservative. And I will say
3:06this, the Footballguys numbers are a little conservative when it comes to the prices. And so, if you go into a room
3:11with a Footballguys ranking, and you're looking at a price at 55 bucks, and I know that Rotowire has their own stuff,
3:17I'm just pulling a number out of the >> Yeah, yeah.
3:18>> out of the air here, but and you go into a a draft with Jahmyr Gibbs for 55 on your sheet, and he goes for 65, you're going
3:26to sit there and go, well, I'm not paying that. And then you're going to consistently kind of see some prices that are too high, and you just sit
3:32there.
3:34You can't just sit there because the top guys are going to go early. And if you don't do anything, then you're in
3:39trouble. And if you do too much, you're in trouble. So, the beginner mistakes >> from Footballguys or Rotowire or any other place, again, it's a good rule of
3:48thumb to not accidentally bid like $15 more or less on someone, but more so a guy in something that you could similar
3:55to ADP in a regular draft like be ready to adjust to your room.
3:59>> Yeah, 100% and it's it's even the thing is that ADP is so much more predictive in a snake setting because we
4:07have all this data and so many people doing them. We don't have as many people doing the auctions. It's harder to find
4:12the data. And then sometimes so what you have is that you have a list of prices that are very subjective. They're
4:17they're very site-to-site and you're going to find different prices and even the site that you're auctioning on more often than not when we're talking to
4:23people they're doing online auctions, there's going to be a price in your app that you're using. And so then people are going off of that and they're
4:31saying, "Well, this app says he's worth this. Why is he going for this much?" Or why is he not going? And all of a sudden
4:36you've spent money because you thought, "Well, everybody's coming in under the price." But that's just the room you're in. So you nailed it. You got to adjust to the
4:43room.
4:45>> Great stuff, Drew. Again, I'm sure there are 15 to 20, you know, different tips you could have of course, but in general
4:51again guys, just be ready cuz these auction drafts I was telling Drew before we got going here like I would love to
4:56find a way maybe a hybrid form we could knock these things out in closer to 90 minutes or 2 hours. I know a lot of you
5:03if you're doing one auction per year and you're fine waste not not wasting.
5:06Definitely the wrong word. If you're fine enjoying your auction draft for 4 straight hours, that's totally draft you're doing. Freaking love it, man.
5:12Hang out with the buddies and I get it, but it is a 4-hour process sometimes. So make sure you're ready to again adjust
5:17the speed and get going there. Like Drew said, one extreme or the other. Don't be quite so eager to jump into the deep end
5:23or at the same time too timid and then use those auction values as a guide, not necessarily a rule of thumb. I'm happy
5:29you brought up the one extreme or another Drew because again the beginning of an auction I know it's going to be different
5:36depending on the room you're in, but I'm with you where I kind of see both sides of it. Like what do you think is the
5:41best opportunity there? Is it to actually go in while everyone's getting warmed up and trying to go ahead and get some guys or maybe the price is going to
5:48be lower, or is it like, "Hey, auction's here. Everyone's juiced up. Everyone's ready to go. Let them go crazy for 15
5:55minutes, and then we'll go ahead and get our guys."
5:57>> Yeah, so I think there's a little bit of a like a like a bell curve here. You kind of alluded to it because early on,
6:04you want to be looking for deals right away. Nobody wants to be that first person that spends 60 or 65 dollars. And
6:11frankly, one of the fun parts of the auction is, I have 200 dollars. The world is in front of me, and I can do
6:16whatever I want. And so, it sucks to go in there and just like lock yourself into a player right away for 58 bucks,
6:21and then you're like, "Well, now I can't do that again." And then it just kind of takes the wind out of your
6:25sails. So, there's a psychological factor there about wanting to keep your 200 bucks, wanting to have the draft in front of you, wanting to have all your
6:33options open. And so, a lot of times you're going to find a deal in that first two to four players. So, be
6:38looking for that because it does happen. I call it the sitting down bonus. It's just a stupid reference to a friend's
6:44>> Nice.
6:45>> uh thing that I but it's true. People are sitting down, they're getting their stuff out, they're getting situated. They're like, "Yeah,
6:50I'm not I'm not going to spend 60 bucks right now." You get it. All of a sudden, you walk away from Jahmyr Gibbs, you
6:55know, for 52 bucks, and you go, "What just happened here?" And then later, Bijan goes for 60, and you realize you
7:01got a great deal. So, right out of the gate, you're looking for a deal. And but then after that, you just want to be
7:07really careful because you can jump in too quickly, but I would caution you about this.
7:13I went back and looked at the King's Classic. 28 picks in the first two or 28 nominations in the first two rounds.
7:19So, of those 28 nominations, 26 of them were starter level players, and I believe 20 of the 26 were top 24
7:28players.
7:29So, one constant The thing about auctions that's tough is everything changes. Every room's going to be different. But so, what I do is I look
7:36for constants that you can rely on. And one of the constants is that people will nominate the top players early in the
7:43draft. That's just what they're going to do.
7:45People like it. It's fun. You're here to have fun, right? That's what's it's supposed to be fun, not just business.
7:51So, they want to call out Ja'Marr Chase.
7:52They want to call out JSN. Like, that's fun. So, count on that. So, in the first two rounds, remember that if you're not
7:59active enough in the first two rounds, most of the first two rounds of like that you would consider in the top two of a snake, the top 24
8:07guys, they're going to be gone. And if you haven't acted yet, then you don't have a first or second round pick.
8:11That's not any way to win a fantasy league. So, you got to get one or two guys, but that's it. No more than that.
8:19>> I have been on that other extreme end of things, Drew, where I've gotten very excited and gotten four guys early, and
8:24then I'm sitting there with, you know, 30 bucks left, and all of a sudden still got to fill >> Those four guys are fun, though.
8:30>> They are fun, man. We look back, and we have some uh rose-colored glasses, for sure. So, great stuff there, and it's a
8:35great point, too, just about the nomination process, because I know, personally, like, I almost just like to break that streak a little bit when I'm
8:42in there and throw out, you know, the Tank Bigsbys [clears throat] of the world, cuz I just I don't know. It's
8:46comical to me when, again, it's just Jamyr Gibbs, Ja'Marr Chase, JSN. Oh, Tank Bigsby got nominated now. And I've wondered if there is something to the
8:53idea of like, do you have a better chance of getting your handcuffs or kind of your late-round dudes early when people maybe aren't trying to finish off
9:01their rosters the same way? Like, how do you personally approach the nominating strategy? Cuz I hear you. Again, more times than not, it's going to be just
9:09the top players kind of going down the list. Do you follow that, or do you try to change things up?
9:13>> Yeah, I try to change things up, for sure. And let me let me answer your question, and then kind of go off a
9:18little bit about nomination strategy, because it's so important. The The answer to your question about going and getting handcuffs, I love the
9:27idea, and and I'm going to say it again, there's a little bit of a bell curve here with how that's going to play out.
9:33So, if you're really early in an auction, and you go down, and you pick, say, um like a Jordan Addison type. And
9:39everybody has their money.
9:40What I would say is that when you dip too far down the tier sheets, the players are going to go for too much
9:47when everyone has their money.
9:48But, I'm not talking about Tank Bigsby.
9:51I'm talking about your Jordan Addison types. Your guys that like late in the draft, you can get them for six bucks.
9:57But, when everybody has their money, he might be 11 or 12. And so, calling a guy like that out like in the middle
10:05like the meat portion of your tiers, I think his price gets inflated. But, if you call guys out way at the bottom,
10:12nobody wants to spend any money at that point. They're like, "I'm not spending two bucks on Tank Bigsby. I can I can
10:17get better guys than that." And then at the end, they really want Tank Bigsby.
10:20But, early on, they're not going to say two. So, if you say one or maybe even started at two, they don't want to say
10:25three cuz like, "I'm wasting money.
10:28We're wasting time. Why we talking about Tank Bigsby?" So, again, I think there's a bell curve there.
10:32Um but, nomination strategy is something I think people uh don't pay enough attention to cuz it's really, really important. And one
10:38of the things I talked about on my show this week was just that uh you can use nominations to kind of turn people's
10:44heads and like break up and that that's what you referenced there. Is breaking up that just single-minded like call out every top player or sometimes you get a
10:54quarterback run. And let's say you're thinking, "I want to get a cheap quarterback." And then all of a sudden, there's two, three quarterbacks
11:01nominated in a row. Then everybody's like, "Oh, yeah, there's just two quarterbacks now." It's just kind of like a group think and it's
11:06subconscious. But, you can kind of snap people's heads out of that and just like when it gets to you, call somebody out
11:11that's going to get go for a little while, like a wide receiver like an A.J.
11:15Brown, and then just let that go. And then people just it it's almost like something changes. It bleeds off. They stop thinking about quarterbacks and
11:24they go back to like, "Okay, what's the business at hand here?" So, um that's important, too. But, I think also early
11:30on, people make the mistake of wasting their nominations on players they don't want cuz they want people to spend money.
11:36And I get the idea in general, but that's a better idea when there's some money out of the room already in the
11:41middle of the draft. At the beginning of the draft, you need to just focus on what you want to do. And so,
11:48hey, I'm thinking about I I might want Brock Bowers. Like, we all know we're not getting a deal on Brock Bowers,
11:52right? So, like, you can't wait till the ninth round and hope that he doesn't get nominated and get him for 19 bucks.
11:58That's not happening. He's going in the first three rounds. He'll be 30 to 35 dollars. Just don't worry about a deal.
12:03Get him out there right away. And the reason for that is even if I lose a dollar or two of equity,
12:09the play is getting him out there so you can pivot because that's the key thing people miss is they think, well, I'll go
12:15get him and then they either have to go for broke and they spend too much or they don't get him and then all the the
12:21tight ends they could have are gone already. You don't you don't leave yourself a pivot. So, early on, just um go for your targets first couple of two,
12:29three rounds. Make sure you're building your cornerstones.
12:32Then sit back and relax. Start throwing out some guys you don't want.
12:36You're not a Jeremiah Love guy? Okay, round four, call out Jeremiah Love. Let somebody spend 20, 32 bucks.
12:42And just sit back and don't worry about it and then you're bleeding money when there's actually already money out of the room. So, if you got a 12-team
12:48league that's $200 cap, $2,400 total in the room, in the first round, if you call somebody out who goes for 50, that's 2% of the
12:57budget. That That's not doing anything. But, if a thousand bucks is already out of the room and somebody goes for 50, now
13:03you're making a difference.
13:04So, you know, early on, chase your cornerstones and then you want to transition to kind of aiming at people that have money and seeing if
13:13you can pull their money. That's a really long answer. Sorry, man.
13:17>> Are you good? So, just again, earlier on, first couple rounds, like you were saying, too, don't be a hero. They're
13:23going to more times than not mirror the first few rounds of a fantasy draft and we'll get into kind of stars and scrubs
13:29versus approach or balance, you know, in a minute, but you as as nice as it does feel, Drew, to kind of have all that
13:35money after, you know, an hour of your fantasy draft, there also is a point where you're like laughing at people, and then it's like, wait, I actually
13:42need to get good players on my team to, you know, try to win this league as well. And again, that might sound like
13:46common sense, but there is that idea of being a little bit too conservative early on when all the best players are
13:52being drafted.
13:53>> For sure. And that's a mistake again that beginners make because it feels good. It's like, I got the hammer. I'm
13:59going to do And then you never use it because you're like, I'm afraid I'm going to lose the hammer. But then all
14:03of a sudden you're you're dropping the hammer on Jordan Addison, and you're and and you're scooping up every MarShawn Lloyd in the player pool, but who gives
14:12a crap that that's what you saved your money for. So, it's a tightrope act.
14:16It's a balancing act. Spend, not too fast. Spend, not too fast.
14:21>> Bad example by you because every draft is a great draft to get MarShawn Lloyd, but I think we understood your point
14:27overall. Let's get to that though.
14:29Not for nine bucks. Fair enough. Stars and scrubs versus more of a balanced approach. Like, can it be that simple cuz I hear what you're saying where we
14:39do want to get guys early, but like generally when you're going out there, are you spending the 50 to 60 dollars to
14:46try to get these top-tier dudes, or would you just again, it could be different every draft. I understand it.
14:51More times than not though, stars and scrubs or more of a balanced approach for you?
14:55>> So, for me, it's almost always going to be leaning towards more balanced approach. I'm not one of those guys who
15:01ever chases the top of the position group in typical leagues. And when I say typical, I'm saying 12 to 14 teams because I've never liked my builds
15:10when I go spend at the top of the position group. It's just something that I've forced myself to do sometimes, and I've never liked it. So, um I got
15:19dangerously close this year in King's Classic. I spent 89 bucks on my top two guys, which I don't normally do, but I
15:25thought the prices were too low. That's another story. Point being, I think of it like a little bit like a sliding scale. If you're in a 10 team
15:32auction, two things are in play. Number one is the waiver wire so much more rich. So, you just you just really need to ignore
15:39your bench in eight and 10 team auctions.
15:42And the second thing that happens is you really need to try to differentiate more at the onesie positions. So, whereas in
15:50a 12 or 14 teamer, I'm likely to blow off quarterback and tight end and just go cheap. But, in a 10 teamer,
15:56I'm going to try to get one of those top guys. I I I don't really like a tight end. I don't really want to go below
16:01Tyler Warren. I want to I want to have one of those top four or five guys and maybe Tucker Kraft, but and then same
16:07thing at quarterback. I just really don't want to be rolling out Jared Goff or Jordan Love when my my opponents have
16:15Lamar Jackson and Drake May. That in a 10 teamer, that matters so much more.
16:20And you just you don't need to worry about your bench. So, you slide that money to your starting lineup and just
16:25try to pound your starting lineup in the shallower leagues. But, in the deeper leagues, I'm going to spread it out. I'm
16:29not going to go towards the top of the position group. I still want impact guys, though. So, you can't walk out of
16:34there without your typical like So, what I'll do is I'll drop down to like a Drake London or an A.J. Brown instead of
16:40chasing Jamar Smith or JSN. But, you still got to spend up a little bit, you know, in the 40s to get that type of a
16:46guy.
16:47And more often than not, I'm just going to spend to get one wide receiver and one running back like second round
16:52prices. So, we're talking, like I said, Drake London, Kenneth Walker, Marion Hampton, those kind of guys.
16:58And then I can then spend up more for my two and I feel better about how that spreads out.
17:05>> So, even the balanced approach, you I guess there does seem to be that gap, man, when I look at some of these auction
17:13values where Gibbs, Bijan, Chase, and JSN, Like the difference in auction value between those guys and your even lower-end RB1s and wide receiver ones.
17:24Like it does seem like it's stretched out like more in auctions than it actually is. And redraft land, we look at the difference in picks.
17:31>> Yeah, and you're absolutely right because I guess somebody who has more math smarts on this can tell me, but I mean I feel like the difference
17:40between I'm going to pay 65 for Chase, but then I'm going to pay 44 for AJ Brown. The $21 difference, I feel like
17:48there has to be a a law of diminishing returns there because what if Brown can give you 88%
17:57of Chase or 90% of Chase? That's the gap in the the $21 auction price is far more than that 12% gap in fantasy points. And
18:07I think I have the ability to earn that back in the deals at the wide receiver two, wide receiver three, RB2. Cuz my
18:14favorite thing to do at wide receiver is just to build so deep. And just end up with like um you know, Chris Olave is my wide
18:20receiver three. Like that's just To me that's so fun and and it's easier to do because the top guys are so expensive.
18:28If you just drop down, then you can just slam those three starting spots with kind of second, third round guys.
18:36>> And just more years than ever, man. I just find myself yearning to do more auctions because that receiver range rounds three through six, I like I just
18:43see Laviska Shenault Zay Flowers and Mecole Hardman. I don't want to have to pick between them, you know, on my one
18:49pick. But I have to do that in a traditional snake draft. Auction, that's when you guys are right. We can get them
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19:15All right.
19:17Looking before the draft, you mentioned before the different things you can do to prepare and I did again really take note of just trying to adjust the speed.
19:24So clearly you do want to again be taking steps just to be ready to go.
19:28How much prep do you do though in terms of like your roster building? Like do you have a certain percentage or dollar
19:33amount of money that you kind of earmark for each position or is it more of something you're doing on the fly?
19:39>> I'll tell you what, man.
19:40This is where I differ from a lot of people that do auctions that are that have done them for a long time.
19:45>> Uh-huh.
19:45>> [clears throat] >> I don't like using percentages or ranges. I think that it makes the level of difficulty in the room just too high.
19:53So I use something called a par sheet where I pick exact dollar amounts that I want to spend on each position. Now I
19:58come up with two or three different variations of my par sheet.
20:02But I'm picking an exact dollar amount for every single position on my roster.
20:06>> Also not even quarterback. It's like you have QB1, QB2.
20:10>> Correct. QB1, four bucks. QB2, two bucks.
20:14And I'm not saying that I'm going to go in there and spend exactly that cuz you rarely find the exact price.
20:20>> Mhm.
20:20>> But that's your goal. And if you miss your goal, you know exactly what you have to make up or can put to somewhere
20:27else. So let's say my RB1 is 41 and then I end up getting Chase Brown for 38.
20:33Perfect. Now I save three bucks. Now I know I can slam that three bucks somewhere else. And so it gives you like
20:38a freedom to spend up or down from that number and then know like okay, here's where I can pull it from and it's so
20:45quick while you're in that auction that you don't have to devote a lot of head space.
20:50>> Yeah.
20:52>> I'll tell you people that Here's why I still use it and I think that I probably would have given it up as like a talking point years ago.
21:00I still do it myself. I'm never going to give it up, but I would have probably given it up as is talking point because all the big
21:06industry folks don't use it. You know, Joe Dolan, Scott Pianowski, these guys they don't do it. They don't believe in it because they think they're good
21:13enough. And that's a spoiler alert, they are good enough. But what the reason I haven't given it up is all of my
21:19followers freaking love it, man. It is just an insane like like people connect with it somehow and I think it's turned
21:26into like this tool that's really just like um you know, everyone else's is um is just 10% worse because they don't
21:35have this technique and I think people feel that way. And I just want to stress again, it's not a Auctions are all about flexibility and I
21:43believe that having these exact numbers as as weird as it sounds, it sounds like an oxymoron. I believe these exact numbers give you the flexibility cuz it
21:51allows you the freedom to be like, "Can I spend this? Okay, yes, I can, but if I do, I got to pull it from here." It's a
21:57quick calculation. I mean, think about it like this. Okay, I want to spend 50% of my budget on receivers.
22:02>> Yeah.
22:03>> I already have a guy that's 45 bucks.
22:05Now, the next guy is up and he's 31 and I'm like, "Ah, that's too cheap. Can I spend it? Okay, well, I spent uh 20%
22:11>> percentages.
22:12>> Yeah, like you can the price is going up.
22:14>> Yeah, it's going beep beep beep, you know, and you got to bid or not. Like you don't know what to do. That's not
22:19helping. And some people can do it because they like an instinct and gotten they've been doing it so long and the
22:23Pianowskis and the Dolans of the world, but most people have done 15 or 20 max in their life and this is a a big crutch
22:32for you.
22:33>> And that feels like just again, thinking to myself how I would be mapping it out.
22:38Even if someone does want to go more stars and scrubs, it's Look, it's fantasy football. If you want your Bijan Gibbs, you want to go get your Bijan
22:43Gibbs, like absolutely. Write down then 60 bucks for your RB1 and then look at the rest of your roster and just see how
22:50you have to lay it out.
22:51>> Yep. And that that's what I love about it is you can just plan. Like I know I'm going for Gibbs. And and I'm not telling
22:58people not to do that. Go for it cuz I'm I'm going to do it in my home leagues.
23:01Like I'm going to go have Gibbs or Bijan in in my home leagues or Chase.
23:04So, like, just just plan for it. Just be like, all right, I know I'm spending this. So, where am I taking the money
23:09from? And And I think you'll find, too, that when you're doing that preparation, where am I taking the money from? How am
23:14I pushing it around? It makes you quicker in the room, too. It makes you like more instinctive because you've already done that work ahead of time.
23:22>> Absolutely love it. Drew, I know you're mostly auction, but you do dabble as well in the redraft streets.
23:28Is there like a considerable strategy change for you in terms of player allocation, or is it just kind of what you were talking about before? League
23:36size is more so just a tournament if you want to go how hard you want to go, I would say, in the paint with the ones he
23:41has in other positions.
23:42>> Yeah, there's a little bit of a change.
23:44I'm never going to be a mid-round tight end guy in in a snake draft. I just don't I don't like the opportunity cost when I take one of
23:53those guys. I see all these receivers there, and I'm like, all right, I'm passing on a receiver for this.
23:58Um and then So, the other thing, too, is I think late-round quarterback in an auction is just so much easier to pull off because
24:06people like, especially in home leagues, you think you're waiting around you're getting Dak Prescott as your starter in the 11th. Like, they ain't going to let
24:13that happen in home leagues. They're going to be there in the ninth and see him and be like, well, I mean, I know
24:17that I took a Lamar Jackson in the second, but I Dak Prescott's still there. I'm taking him. So, it's a much
24:23more viable strategy in auctions. And the other thing I've noticed this year, too, is, you know, we've had the big pendulum swing from uh wide receiver to
24:31running back in the early couple rounds, the auction community does not seem to have caught up yet because I'm still seeing more money going to the wide
24:39receiver spot than the running back spot. And I don't necessarily mean at the top. I mean, spread through the middle.
24:46The wide receiver twos, your your Terry McLaurins, your Terrace Marshall McLaurins, those guys are commanding more money than I thought they would this year just
24:54because of the drop-off in the at the position. But, I think what's happening is people are recognizing the guys lower down the ranks aren't aren't getting you
25:03what they used to. And so, there's they're shoving more money at the wide receivers. But, what it's doing is it's creating a value opportunity at running
25:09back. All these guys like your Jaylen Warrens and your um you know, your R.J.
25:14Harveys and Kenneth Gainwell, they're just so cheap now because everybody's slamming the receivers. They're scared, and there's all these running backs.
25:22Like, you can just get one running back, and then you can have three guys that you know are going to touch the ball,
25:27catch passes, and they're so cheap you can get like three of them for like 25 bucks. And then, you don't have to worry
25:32about your running backs. You've got three. You've got one good guy and three, you know, guys down here for 25.
25:38It's just To me, it's you're paying 25 bucks for Terry McLaurin, you're getting one guy. You're spending 25 bucks on R.J. Harvey, Jaylen
25:46Warren, and and whoever, you know, Jonathan Brooks. And you're getting all three of them. Like, I just think the bang for your buck is still in the
25:52running back tiers in the middle, the middle portion of it.
25:56And again, you can't do that in a snake cuz all those guys are gone, or you want to be I'm going for a tight end or a
26:03quarterback at that point. So, it does change, for sure.
26:06>> It does seem like a auction really set sets us up sets itself up better for that hero RB build where, you know,
26:12you're spending up big on maybe a Chase Brown. And previously, you know, in a snake, you can't draft maybe Jaylen Warren and Jonathan Brooks and R.J.
26:20Harvey all together because of where they're being placed in the draft. But like, in that ideal world, like Yeah, you want all those guys to kind of fill
26:26your RB2 room, do the money ball thing, you know, kind of form it as an aggregate. Hopefully, one of them busts
26:31I mean, booms eventually, but in the meantime, you have dudes who can at least give you some flex worthy value.
26:36Is that typically Again, I'm not asking you to give away the full parsheet.
26:39People can find your work on uh football guys and everything. They go get that.
26:42But typically, again, it's kind of like one big spend at running back, and then we're going a little bit cheaper for the
26:48rest.
26:49>> Yeah, that's that's how I've been building it. And I really came into this year thinking to myself that I was going
26:54to change this year and I was going to chase running back a little bit harder.
26:57And I I I tell you, I do build my par sheets a little differently this summer.
27:02So, I'm spending that I'm building one where I'm spending 25 to 28 bucks on on my RB2, which I normally just bail out
27:09completely and spend like $12 on my RB2.
27:12But, I'm building some this year that are 25 28 because I feel like I can get a Kyren Williams or a um
27:19even Josh Jacobs, which I know is it's risky right now, but those kind of guys are kind of falling right in there.
27:25Javonte Williams, and I feel like they have the ability to approach the high-end RB2 area or even low-end uh RB1.
27:33And if I can get that for my RB2, I'm taking notice and that's just piggybacking off of what we were just
27:38talking about that I think that those RB2 prices are too cheap compared to what we're getting at wide receiver these days.
27:45Um and and and it's we're not seeing the same thing in the auctions that we're seeing in snake drafts. Auctions haven't
27:51caught up, so I'm leaving that open.
27:53But, for the most part, you are correct.
27:55My most of my builds continue to be heavy at that RB1, spend 35 to 40 bucks, and then I'm dropping way down to 12 to
28:04$15 for my RB2, and I'm trying to get three guys for less than 30 bucks.
28:09>> You mentioned it, Drew. Can you take your auction hat off for a sec and talk a lawyer here? What do we think with
28:14Josh Jacobs? A little update on that.
28:16>> Yeah.
28:17Josh is is kind of weird because Schefter does this thing, and I will say this, um I think that he gets information that
28:23he's not allowed to talk about it. So, then he just says stuff that's kind of like him like bumping into walls. Like,
28:29if everybody kind of gets the point here, I'll run into the point at some point. But But like he's like he just
28:35offered so many qualifiers. And and especially the Puka one was struck me as odd. He just said like, "It's on the
28:42table. It's quite possible. It's in the within the realm." And I'm like, "What are these comments?" And he kind of did
28:48the same thing for Jacobs, although he talked a little bit stronger. So, it sounds to me like uh it is truly in doubt whether or not
28:55Jacobs misses a few games. But, what I've been saying is that Schefter's update was really a non-update because he said, "This is a pending situation
29:03with the NFL." I'm like, well well no what it you know No explosives on your YouTube channel. I No [ __ ] man. We like we already knew
29:11this it was pending. And it wasn't like it went away just because charges weren't filed. But, I keep coming back to the same thing about Jacobs, which is
29:18that when the state has a great case, they usually are going to file it. And why haven't they filed it by now if it's
29:25if it's a good case? So, I I'm not sure that I'm seeing charges coming from it, which doesn't mean he can't be
29:31suspended. But, I keep coming back to what his team said about like, "We have some information that I think everybody will find pretty interesting." So, there
29:39has to be some sort of like text message or something that that is giving them confidence to say that stuff out loud in
29:45public. Otherwise, they're slandering a victim. So, I think that I think there's something there and if that's truly the case and there's no
29:53charges, I'm not sure the NFL's going to step out on that ledge and say I'll suspend you anyway when there's facts in controversy.
30:01Uh-oh.
30:02>> Does seem like they're perennially a little bit slower moving out there. So, good to hear there again. Appreciate when Schefter is willing to share some
30:10of his secrets with us. But, I'm with you, man. It does seem like a very peculiar at time what is and what isn't
30:16actually made public knowledge.
30:18Fantastic stuff, Drew. Last thing, you might have already answered it, which is fine, but let's say someone there's rolling up in their auction draft.
30:25They're not doing the student 65 days a year like you and me because they actually have a life and they have
30:29friends and family.
30:30>> I'm sorry to interrupt. Are you getting a black screen or you seeing me?
30:34>> I see you, but you did freeze. That's okay.
30:36>> Okay. All right, cool. Just make sure you can still see me cuz I'm not seeing myself, but that's cool.
30:41>> 30 30. All good. Hold on.
30:44Restart this.
30:47>> I wonder if I could Let me just >> Yeah, you're good. That's I I wrote down the time. Do you want to refresh or
30:52something?
30:53>> Yeah, I was thinking maybe I just uh I just turn the camera on and off to to get that to refresh.
30:59>> There we go. We're there.
31:00>> And then you can uh edit this.
31:03>> Cool. No worries.
31:05>> I'm not really sure what happened here.
31:08>> It went green for a second, and then I think it froze up.
31:11>> There you go. Back.
31:13Okay.
31:14>> Okay, wave the hands. We are back.
31:18In 3 2 1.
31:21Great stuff there, Drew. Whole show has been fantastic, but I did want to try to say that for just someone out there.
31:27They're not in the weeds like we are 365 days a year. They're not going to take time to go crazy before their draft, but
31:33they have 10 minutes. Is it as simple as just kind of building the par sheet like you were saying, organizing your
31:38thoughts there? Do you have another bit of advice for someone trying to cram last second for their auction draft?
31:43>> Yeah, if you're trying to clear cram last second, I think doing RotoWire, check out their tiers. And just just look at the different
31:51uh drop-offs there are, okay? And then try to go and get guys in each tier, and just say, "All right, which guys am I
31:56going to chase in the tier?"
31:58And then spend 10 minutes thinking about what you want to spend on those particular guys.
32:03And if your spending is too out of control, you know, trim it a little bit and figure it out before you walk in there.
32:10So, it's not as simple as just building a par sheet, but it's as simple as doing some thought exercises beforehand. And
32:17don't just say, "I want a top guy."
32:18Like, pick the guy. And And you don't That doesn't mean go in there and draft that guy. It just means, "This is my
32:24target, or these are a group of guys I would be happy with any one of this group." And then go execute that idea.
32:31Like, I want this something from this group, go call out that guy and do it.
32:35So, the thought exercises are what matters. And that is you make the par sheet and you look at the tiers and you
32:42say, "Okay, um I believe that in this tier I can get this guy and he'll be the lowest price." That thought exercise
32:48gets you dialed in and ready to go. And then so you have some numbers written down and you have some tiers. You can do
32:55that all in 10 minutes. Like, "Okay, which guy am I going after? If that doesn't work, who am I going to pivot
33:00to?" Those thought exercises are the best thing you can do to warm your brain up to what exercise you're about to do
33:06when you walk in.
33:07>> And that tier point really is great. In general, in redraft or auction, whatever you're trying to do, like, yeah, we
33:12should be more so tier-based drafters.
33:13But to your point with how fast auctions move and then just how kind of sporadic they can be. You got idiots like me
33:19throwing out Tank Bigsby early, then there's a quarterback run, then Brock Bowers is going like, you need to be mindful of when you just have this cliff
33:26coming, man, because again, there's no going back and you don't want to be that dude. God, Drew, there there there should be some name for it, but the dude
33:33at the end of their draft who has $21 left and then they just like, no one else there is even going for $5. That
33:39got to be the most embarrassing thing to ever happen in fantasy football.
33:43>> I I don't I hate it. I hate the feeling.
33:46I have left so many auctions in the last couple years with five, six, seven dollars. It drives me nuts. You can
33:51throw that $7 on your RB2 and just get a much better guy. I get I get annoyed.
33:56I'm already annoyed with myself. I didn't even do it.
33:59>> [laughter] >> Can't even look myself in the mirror with it. But Drew, thank you so much again, man. Again, find all your
34:04wonderful work over at Football Guys.
34:06And if you guys do want to really get in the weeds with auction, check out Drew's podcast, The Auction Brief Pod. Again,
34:12@DrewDavenportFF, one of the best follows out there. Not just for auction, but you got a mean gift game yourself, bro. And also again, we always do love
34:19your legal updates. So, appreciate you, my brother. Hope we'll be playing cards again here soon. And appreciate you guys listening. Again, if you guys like the
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34:44until next time, take care, everybody.