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WR Sleepers & League Winners I Fantasy Football (Rich Hribar)

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1 hr 3 min
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Jul 13, 2026
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Mon, July 13, 2026
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Christian WatsonDeVonta SmithA.J. BrownJaylen WaddleAmon-Ra St. BrownCarnell TateLadd McConkeyTerry McLaurinEmeka EgbukaZay FlowersDrake LondonRome OdunzeAntonio WilliamsColston Loveland
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A.J. Brown

PositiveProjection0:03

Rich Hribar ranks AJ Brown a little bit higher than Devonta Smith due to more faith in the New England infrastructure and Drake Maye as a passer.

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AJ Brown is moving to the highest-passing offense he's ever played in, with Drake Maye being the best quarterback he's played with, which should improve his efficiency and production.

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AJ Brown has been underutilized on play-action targets in Philadelphia (22-25% over the past three years), but Drake Maye and Josh McDaniels' system should increase his play-action usage significantly.

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A.J. Brown is positioned for a strong bounce back with Drake Maye at quarterback, benefiting from Josh McDaniels' proven track record with alpha wide receivers and increased pre-snap motion usage compared to his time in Philadelphia.

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Drake Maye was 10th in snaps under center last year compared to Jalen Hurts at 29th, indicating AJ Brown will run more pre-snap motion and under-center concepts in New England.

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Josh McDaniels has a strong track record with alpha wide receivers: Davante Adams had 100 catches, 1,500 yards, and 14 touchdowns in 2022, and McDaniels coached Randy Moss and Julian Edelman to elite seasons.

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A.J. Brown was the wide receiver five in points per game from week 11 to 17 last season, demonstrating strong late-season performance.

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Adonai Mitchell

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Adonai Mitchell is mentioned as a potential comparable option to DeVonta Smith, with hyper-efficiency possible at lower target volumes depending on red zone touches.

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Amon-Ra St. Brown

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Rich Hribar believes Amon-Ra St. Brown is one of the cleanest first-round picks after the top two running backs and wide receivers, citing his consistency with 100+ catches the last four years and double-digit touchdowns the past three seasons.

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The Lions are favored in 14 games and projected to be the third-highest scoring team in the league, playing only four outdoor games in the fantasy regular season, which benefits Amon-Ra St. Brown.

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Amon-Ra St. Brown is the wide receiver three in points per game at home and wide receiver four indoors, demonstrating consistent production across different environments.

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Amon-Ra St. Brown is a terrific foundational piece of the Lions offense with 172 targets last year and guaranteed end zone targets in that offense.

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Despite narratives comparing him to Julian Edelman suggesting he was overvalued, St. Brown proved to be "a little bit more alpha than that," demonstrating that WR narratives can shift dramatically and don't always hold true.

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St. Brown is cited as an example of how narratives can shift dramatically; he was compared to Julian Edelman when his ADP rose, but he proved to be more alpha than that comparison suggested.

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Antonio Williams

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Antonio Williams is a third-round rookie projected to be the number two target on the Commanders, with competition from Chigoziem Okonkwo and Rashad White for targets.

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Antonio Williams is a third-round rookie likely to be the number two target in the Commanders offense, competing with Chigoziem Okonkwo for that role.

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Baker Mayfield

PositiveProjection0:12

Baker Mayfield is expected to bounce back with new offensive coordinator Zach Robinson, who runs an offense similar to the one where Mayfield excelled in 2024.

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Brandon Marshall

PositiveProjection0:38

Brandon Marshall had 142 targets in a Brian Daboll offense, showing the consistent high target volume Daboll provides to his top receivers.

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Carnell Tate

PositiveSleeper0:36

The analyst loves Carnell Tate and has been talking about him as one of his guys in the sleeper discussion.

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If one rookie wide receiver becomes a WR1 this year, it's easily Carnell Tate, with great vibes and opportunity to be the focal point of the passing game.

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Carnell Tate, the number four draft pick and first WR in his class, is going at a significant discount compared to historical ADP for top rookie receivers.

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Based on Brian Daboll's historical target distribution with top receivers, Carnell Tate could occupy a significant target share, potentially pushing 150 targets as a decorated rookie.

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Carnell Tate's strengths in contested catches and downfield play align perfectly with Kam Ward's best attributes as a quarterback, creating a strong pairing.

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Carnell Tate is settling in at mid-WR3 ADP in best ball drafts, making him a potential foundational piece to draft strategy at a reasonable price.

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Chigoziem Okonkwo

PositiveDepth Chart0:32

Chigoziem Okonkwo could potentially be the number two target in the Commanders offense, competing with rookie Antonio Williams for that role.

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Christian Watson

PositiveBreakout0:32

Christian Watson could be 2026's version of 2024 Terry McLaurin, finally providing a full season answer to his fantasy ceiling after previous injury-plagued years.

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With Dontayvion Wicks traded and Romeo Doubs as the only Packers WR running routes on 50%+ of dropbacks last year, Christian Watson will be a primary wide receiver in a more condensed receiving corps.

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Christian Watson ranks WR15 in yards per route run, WR13 in fantasy points per target, and WR17 in fantasy points per route run since entering the league, with more routes and field time expected to increase fantasy production.

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When operating as the WR1 last year, Christian Watson ran 14.9% out routes (career high) and 14.1% hitches (second highest), providing fantasy smoothing opportunities alongside his post routes and downfield targets.

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PositiveInjury0:34

Christian Watson has missed 20 regular season games over the course of his rookie contract, which is why his price hasn't jumped despite his per-target ceiling.

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Christian Watson can be drafted as a WR4 in aggressive drafts or WR3 in standard formats, representing the archetype of what you want in a WR3 with big play potential and a target increase and opportunity spike.

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PositiveValue0:35

The analyst is on Christian Watson ahead of DJ Moore, Mike Evans, and Davante Adams in the same ADP range, preferring him when chasing ceilings.

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Watson could increase his target share from a historical 18.5-19% to 22% this year, which would be massive for his fantasy upside.

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Christian Watson has historically been pegged as an 18.5-19% target share guy, but could reach 22% this year, which would be massive for a player of his caliber.

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Watson will be on the field in both two and three wide receiver sets, providing consistent snap count and opportunity.

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Colston Loveland

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Loveland is included as a Ben Johnson pass catcher option worth targeting in the Chicago offense alongside other receivers.

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Loveland is a strong recommendation to draft whenever possible, presented as a clear league-winner candidate in Chicago's offense.

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Courtland Sutton

NegativeRole0:24

The addition of Jaylen Waddle will push Courtland Sutton into a more downfield role, shifting him away from being the focal point of Denver's offense as the team showed last year they were trying to move away from that structure.

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Sutton will be pushed into a more downfield role with Waddle's arrival, which isn't ideal for fantasy points, and he was already out-targeted by Troy Franklin in the red zone (9 to 5) from weeks 2-11.

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Davante Adams

PositiveProjection0:04

Davante Adams had 100 catches, 1,500 yards, and 14 touchdowns in 2022 under Josh McDaniels, exemplifying the offensive coordinator's track record with alpha wide receivers.

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DeVonta Smith

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Devonta Smith takes over the wide receiver one role in Philadelphia on an offense that could be more pass-happy and look different than in years past.

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Devonta Smith opens up as a top-tier wide receiver option with A.J. Brown's departure from Philadelphia, having posted elite splits when Brown was off the field: 29% target per route rate, 37% of team targets, and 2.6 yards per route run.

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Devonta Smith is a decorated college player (Fred Biletnikoff winner) who has been nothing but good in the NFL and should provide strong value at the wide receiver one/two turn, with the Eagles having a favorable schedule through the fantasy regular season.

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Smith is viewed as a potential league winner who could deliver an 18-point per game season in the A.J. Brown role, with access in the third round in many formats.

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Devonta Smith is positioned as a potential league winner who could deliver an 18-point per game season in the A.J. Brown role, with access in the third round in many formats despite rising to the late second round in wide receiver-heavy formats.

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In a four-game sample with A.J. Brown off the field, Smith ran 20+ routes and scored a minimum of 14.4 fantasy points, demonstrating a high ceiling with significant target share opportunity.

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Smith is a highly decorated prospect (Heisman finalist, Biletnikoff winner) at the right career point to command a huge target share and lead an offense, with immense talent to leverage.

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Smith has risen to WR12 in some formats and could flip Chris Olave, Pickens, Rice, and potentially reach Nico Collins territory—new ADP territory for Smith.

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Smith has delivered two 15-point per game seasons and is 27 years old in peak territory; he was the most prolific receiver under Nick Saban at Alabama with elite historical production.

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Dontayvion Wicks

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Dontayvion Wicks was traded for by the Eagles as part of their wide receiver depth chart adjustments following A.J. Brown's departure.

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Drake London

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Drake London is ranked slightly higher than A.J. Brown despite questions about the New England offense, as he has thrived in the number one wide receiver role back-to-back seasons in Atlanta.

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Drake London has shown jarring splits with Michael Penix under center versus other quarterbacks, performing better with Penix who is more willing to take chances and fit tight coverage throws.

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Drake London has shown he can thrive with different quarterbacks and is on the front end of his age apex arc with a big contract, having only Jamar Chase with more 30-point PPR games over the past two years.

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Dwayne Bowe

PositiveProjection0:38

Dwayne Bowe had a 25% target share under Brian Daboll in 2012, demonstrating Daboll's history of concentrating targets on top receivers.

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Emeka Egbuka

PositiveBreakout0:11

Egbuka had historical production in his first five games (third most points ever scored by a player in his first five games), demonstrating elite early-career performance.

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Egbuka suffered a hamstring injury in week six, contributing to a significant production decline after the week nine bye.

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Egbuka's production fell off a cliff after the week nine bye, with the offense becoming bad due to injuries and Mike Evans' return creating a rotation of receivers.

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With Mike Evans gone, Egbuka was targeted on 26% of his routes with just over two yards per route run, showing significant target opportunity.

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PositiveRole0:12

New offensive coordinator Zach Robinson runs an offense adjacent to Liam Cohen's 2024 Rams system when Baker Mayfield was excellent, suggesting improved offensive environment.

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Ja'Marr Chase

PositiveProjection0:08

Jamar Chase has more 30-point PPR games than Drake London over the past two years, serving as a benchmark for London's elite production.

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Jaxon Smith-Njigba

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Rich Hribar made a case that Jaxon Smith-Njigba could be this year's Saquon Barkley—he's not going to fail and will be a really good player, though the immense level of production from last season will be difficult to replicate.

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Theo Gremminger has Jaxon Smith-Njigba right ahead of Amon-Ra St. Brown, but notes they are essentially neck and neck in his rankings.

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Jayden Reed

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Jayden Reed has run only eight career pass routes in one-to-two wide receiver sets, limiting his snap participation even if his overall usage increases.

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Jaylen Waddle

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Waddle is one of the best values at WR right now despite years of hype not paying off; he's set up to be productive with the Broncos given his elite air yards and target share metrics from last year (WR12 in target share, WR1 in air yards, WR10 in target rate per route run) despite playing on a pass-limited offense.

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Denver's offensive structure aligns perfectly with Waddle's strengths: the team ranked 2nd in screen target rate, 3rd in go ball rate, and 12th in crossing target rate—all areas where Waddle excels.

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With Davis Webb's emphasis on tempo and Denver having no tight ends to compete for targets, everything is set up for Waddle to capitalize on his current depressed ADP where he's undervalued relative to his potential.

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The analyst would rather have Jaylen Waddle than K.J. Hamler (who goes higher) and prefers him over Jaylen or Luther Burden, citing that Burden is overvalued due to being the "new thing."

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Waddle is expected to remain a solid draft target even if his ADP rises, with analyst projecting only a 7-8 spot increase rather than a full round adjustment by August.

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Even if Waddle's ADP rises, he's unlikely to see a full round adjustment by August and should remain a viable part of draft plans, with potential to rise only 7-8 spots.

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Waddle's addition to the Dolphins will push Courtland Sutton into a more downfield role, allowing Waddle to accrue significant red zone and end zone target work.

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Jordyn Tyson

PositiveProjection0:36

Jordan Tyson is considered fine as a rookie receiver option, though not as compelling as Carnell Tate.

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Julian Edelman

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Julian Edelman had multiple strong seasons under Josh McDaniels, exemplifying the offensive coordinator's track record with elite receivers.

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Ladd McConkey

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McConkey could potentially match Egbuka's production through exceptional efficiency, though he has historically been a lower target-share earner with only four games hitting 30% target share in his NFL career.

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The Chargers offense under Mike McDaniel is more spread out than his previous Miami offense, with more receivers involved rather than being top-heavy like the Dolphins were.

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As a rookie, McConkey excelled in Mike McDaniel's efficiency-creating schemes: 4.3 yards per route run on play action, 2.95 yards per route run on motion plays, and 3.4 yards per route run in one-to-two receiver sets.

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PositiveProjection0:16

McConkey's poor 2024 performance was a systemic Chargers offense issue, not a player-specific problem; the offense ranked 27th in yards per play, 27th in offensive success rate, and 29th in explosive play rate from week 10 onward.

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The Chargers' offensive line improvements with Joe Alt and Rashawn Slater returning, plus interior line upgrades and Mike McDaniel's arrival, should significantly improve McConkey's production environment.

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The analyst views McConkey as a structural pick who is fine but not someone to reach for in drafts.

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Luther Burden

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Burden is preferred in full PPR formats where his target volume will be more valuable, though his Underdog ADP is considered questionable given the range of outcomes.

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Luther Burden's Underdog ADP is "one of the more head scratching ones" because while he has potential for an 80 catch, 1,100 yard, 4 TD season, you're overpaying for that outcome in half-point PPR leagues.

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Malik Nabers

PositiveProjection0:38

Malik Nabers received 170 targets in his rookie season under Brian Daboll, demonstrating the high target volume Daboll's offense can generate for top receivers.

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Mark Andrews

PositiveDepth Chart0:19

Andrews remains on the Ravens roster but faces potential red zone target share competition from newly drafted rookies Jacobi Lane and Elijah Serratt.

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Mecole Hardman

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Mecole Hardman was drafted by the Eagles as part of their wide receiver depth chart adjustments following A.J. Brown's departure.

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Rome Odunze

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Odunze is expected to score more touchdowns this year than his rookie total of 2 end zone targets, with potential to be heavily involved in the red zone.

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Odunze runs more downfield routes that overlap with Caleb Williams' accuracy issues; over the final 8 games, 27% of his targets were inaccurate—the highest share of any wide receiver.

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Odunze averaged 14.1 air yards over his first two years with 26% of targets going 20+ yards downfield, which overlaps with areas where Caleb Williams struggles.

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Rondale Moore

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Rondale Moore is the cheaper option compared to Van der Dunze and is participating in team activities despite foot injury concerns, making him a better value play.

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Stefon Diggs

PositiveProjection0:38

Stefon Diggs received 166 and 164 targets in Brian Daboll's offense, demonstrating the high target volume available to top receivers under Daboll.

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Terry McLaurin

PositiveBreakout0:29

McLaurin is undervalued and positioned for a major bounce-back year under David Blough's offense, which emphasizes play-action and pre-snap motion—efficiency hacks that will unlock his potential after being stuck in a static role under Kliff Kingsbury.

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When healthy last year, McLaurin was 14th in yards per route run among receivers with 100+ routes, had 31% of team targets and 46% of team air yards despite playing only 46% of dropbacks.

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Under David Blough, McLaurin will get more play-action and pre-snap motion targets—efficiency hacks he never received under Kliff Kingsbury, where he was stuck in a static role lined up on the line 85% of snaps and at left WR 75% of the time.

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Coach David Blough explicitly stated he wants to get Terry McLaurin "almost 10 targets a game" and build the offense around his explosiveness.

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McLaurin is going cheaper than last year, available towards the end of WR2 range, and represents value given the Commanders' significant investment in him on the money and scheme side.

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The Commanders have invested heavily in McLaurin on the money and scheme side, making this the Terry McLaurin show with 10 targets per game mentioned by coaches.

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Troy Franklin

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Troy Franklin was briefly the engine of Denver's passing game over Courtland Sutton, but the team determined he wasn't good enough to sustain that role, leading them to acquire Jaylen Waddle as an upgrade.

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Wan'Dale Robinson

PositiveProjection0:38

Wan'Dale Robinson received 140 targets in the same season as Malik Nabers under Brian Daboll, showing the volume available in that offense.

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Zay Flowers

PositiveValue0:10

Zay Flowers could have comparable target shares to DeVonta Smith, with the difference coming down to touchdown production and splits between the two receivers.

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Flowers has generated significant enthusiasm and his ADP has risen from late fourth round to late third round; he has potential to explode due to increased pass volume, improved tempo, and positive touchdown regression under the new coaching staff.

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Flowers has increased his receiving yardage and target share every year in the NFL and commands more opportunities; he has 16 touchdowns through three seasons but is due for positive touchdown regression if the new coaching staff utilizes him more in the red zone.

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In full PPR formats like FFPC, Flowers is more bullish; in non-full PPR formats like Underdog, he could still be a 4-6 touchdown guy, but if he reaches 8+ touchdowns, he could crack the back end of WR1 range due to his higher utilization.

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At a 3-4 turn in PPR drafts, Zay Flowers is expected to return value, though if his ADP rises significantly it becomes a less compelling target.

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Episode Transcript

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0:05Talking wide receiver flag plants targets and sleepers with sharp football analysis Rich Rebar. I'm Theo Gremminger, lead fantasy analyst of RotoWire. Dropping our wide receiver
0:15show and I'm so excited to be joined by Rich today. Let's start off right from the top. Pretty much everyone, and I'm
0:21guessing you, Rich, have Ja'Marr Chase or Puka Nacua as their wide receiver one and the other one usually gets to be the
0:27wide receiver two. But we have a conversation now about wide receiver three. Are you on Jaxon Smith-Njigba, Amon-Ra St. Brown, or do you want to
0:37talk about guys like CeeDee Lamb, Justin Jefferson? Who is the wide receiver three in fantasy football?
0:44>> For me this year, I'm I'm about the Sun God. The Amon-Ra's about what I I believe is one of the the most cleanest
0:51first-round picks I think we have after the top, you know, two running backs are gone and these top two wide receivers. I
0:56mean, he's just so rock-steady. I mean, 90 catches every year, 100-plus catches the last four. He has double-digit touchdowns his past three seasons. And
1:05then when you just look at like this layout for the Detroit Lions, I mean, they're favored in 14 games. They're projected to be the third-highest
1:12scoring team in the league. Uh they only play four outdoor games in their fantasy regular season, which we always know is
1:18awesome for Jared Goff, but it's also as a byproduct awesome for Amon-Ra St.
1:21Brown. I mean, he's the wide receiver three the past four years in points per game at home. He's the wide receiver
1:26four in points per game indoors.
1:29Uh and you look at like the start of the season. I mean, they face like Saints, Bills, Jets, Panthers, Cardinals. You're
1:33not scared of any of those teams. So I I just think if this guy plays hurt and he's productive while he's hurt, it's
1:39just to me, I'm going with Amon-Ra St.
1:41Brown. I still like JSN. I made a case uh you know, before you you came over here to your new home about him maybe
1:47being like this year's Saquon Barkley where it's like he's not going to fail.
1:49He's going to be a really good player.
1:51It's just the season he had last year is just going to be extremely difficult to replicate at that like immense level.
1:58>> Yeah, it's an interesting one. I have JSN right ahead of Amon-Ra St. Brown, but they're essentially neck and neck.
2:04Um if you like Amon-Ra St. Brown, it's really become like years ago he was always going behind Jefferson and Lamb, and now he feels like a a safer bet
2:14there. Um the Lions, like you said, you have no concerns about really anything with that offense. That offense should just print. Uh and I think Amon-Ra St.
2:23Brown's just a terrific foundational piece of the offense. 172 targets last year. The guy's just a phenomenal player, and you know he's going to get
2:31those end zone targets as well in that offense. So, love that one. JSN, I'm completely open to drafting right in that exact same range, but if you want
2:39to go Amon-Ra ahead of ahead of uh JSN, I totally totally get it. Let's talk about Blackjack splits, and let's talk
2:46about a pair of former teammates that you're both on in new situations. AJ Brown, who I feel like I'm talking about
2:54every single show right now because so many sharp people like yourself are on him. And then Devonta Smith. Devonta Smith takes over the wide receiver one
3:02role in Philly on an offense that could be more pass-happy and look a little different than we've seen in years past.
3:09And then you've got AJ Brown.
3:11I mean, the narrative is already written. Drake Maye's new number one target. Josh McDaniels, his history of alpha wide receivers having instant
3:19success. Pick pick pick which one you want to start talking about Rich, and then just go ahead and cook what it
3:24takes on both of these guys.
3:26>> We Well, we'll just do them in order. I mean, I I do you have AJ Brown still a little bit higher? Just have a little
3:30more faith in the New England, you know, infrastructure and his quarterback as a passer.
3:35Um you know, what I really love is this this marriage that he's going to have.
3:38One, we've only seen him in the highest offense he's ever played in terms of, you know, passing. He's finished once uh
3:44been a one team that's been the top half of the league in passing. Like he's That's probably going to change here
3:49with him. This is probably the best quarterback he's played with. And just the infrastructure of the offense. I mean, when you look at you know, A.J.
3:56Brown, I mean, this is a guy like the past three seasons playing with a quarterback that's been like an aesthetic shotgun quarterback, has
4:01really lacked like, you know, these efficiency hacks that we got, and that kind of helps him out at this, I think,
4:06stage of his career. Um you look at the over um the past three seasons, he had only 33 um point nine percent of his
4:14targets as play action targets in 2020, 42.9% 2021, 36.7% 2022, but now over the past three years, only 22%, 25%, 19%.
4:25Like, we're going to get those. Um we're going to get to see him run, you know, a lot more stuff with, you know, pre-snap
4:30motion, you know, Drake Drake Maye was 10th in snaps under center last year, Jalen Hurts was 29th. Uh and then also
4:37like, there's some Josh McDaniels factors, too. Like, Josh McDaniels, when he's had an alpha wide receiver, like these guys have have low-key like been
4:44pretty awesome. I mean, in 2022, Davante Adams had 100 catches, 1,500 yards, 14 touchdowns. Obviously, we know about '27 Randy Moss. Uh you know, you've got a
4:53bunch of Julian Edelman seasons in here, too. Like, you know, Josh McDaniels has been a pretty big boon for, you know,
4:59these lead wide receivers, and he just the timing of getting Drake Maye at this point of his career, I think it's so
5:04strong for a good bounce back from A.J.
5:06Brown, who was still really good the back half of last year, from week 11 to 17, cuz he didn't play in week 18. He
5:11was the wide receiver five, uh you know, in points per game. So, you feel really good about him, and then just as a
5:16domino falling, him leaving Philadelphia just opens such a big door for Devonta Smith. I mean, since A.J. Brown joined the Eagles in 2022, Devonta Smith has
5:26run 252 routes with A.J. Brown off the field, and on those plays, he has 29% target per route rate, 37% of the team
5:35targets, 2.6 yards per route run. We know that, you know, that those numbers aren't going to hold up to that high a
5:42degree, cuz there's a difference between A.J. Brown missing a game and then coming into the year without him while you had drafted Mecole Hardman, you
5:48know, you traded for Dontayvion Wicks.
5:50But, those are such extreme high-end splits that like he can shed some of the percentages and still be like a top lead
5:58lead wide receiver. Remember, this is a Fred Biletnikoff winner, a decorated college player who's been nothing but good in the NFL. The Eagles are another
6:05team they have a pretty awesome schedule, uh you know, all the way through the fantasy regular season. Unfortunately, we do open the fantasy playoffs with
6:13like Seahawks-Texans. So, when we do get there we have to deal with that. But, this is a player I think that's going to
6:17provide a really strong value, you know, at that wide receiver one wide receiver turn wide receiver two kind of flip over.
6:25>> Yeah, he's super interesting. I mean, I feel like I've talked about A.J. Brown on so many shows in a row here. So, if
6:30you want my A.J. Brown takes, you can listen to the show with Nelson Sousa, the show with Jacob Gibbs, the show with
6:37with Derek Brown Debro, uh and now obviously the rich one. I'm on him. Uh long story short, I think he's a really
6:43really strong value. Quick head-to-head player uh question for you. We've seen A.J. Brown flip Drake London on Underdog. We've seen A.J. Brown flip
6:53Drake London. I mean, we're talking splitting hairs like side-by-side um in NFFC and they're side-by-side in FFPC.
7:00Do you view Brown as a better pick than Drake London, a younger player who we've seen thrive in in the number one wide
7:08receiver role back-to-back seasons in Atlanta?
7:11>> That's a pretty good one. I do have London a little bit higher still. I mean, there are some questions obviously
7:16just based on, you know, the the the New England offense and Drake Maye being a lot stronger attachment than the Falcons
7:21and the quarterback situation that Drake London's going to face. I do think London can still thrive with Tua, but when you do look at his career splits to
7:27this point, I mean, he has been a completely different player with Michael Penix under center. I think that's more of a a testament to like just how really
7:34good London is uh versus anything Michael Penix is bringing to the table to to unlock a receiver.
7:40Um but, he does have pretty jarring splits, you know, with Penix under center, a guy who's like more willing to take chances
7:46and fit some more tight coverage throws than maybe Tua will be able to. So, I do understand that to a degree, but
7:52London's just been so good anytime he's played the past 2 years. He's on the front end of his still age apex arc, got
7:57that big contract.
7:59Uh, I mean I mean look at the the upside he's had even playing with Michael Penix the past 2 years. Only Jamar Chase has
8:05more 30-point PPR games than Drake London does.
8:09>> It's wild.
8:10>> It's absolutely wild. Um, and let's talk about DeVonta Smith where this is a little bit of a discourse here where I
8:16talked to some smart people who think maybe we're we might be getting a little bit of a head of our of ourselves with this
8:22team. We're seeing Smith rise to like the late second round in some of these wide receiver heavy formats like the NFFC. I've talked about him as a
8:30potential league winner. I think in this A.J. Brown role he could end up giving you an 18-type point per game season and
8:37in a lot of formats you're going to get access to him in like the third round.
8:41What do you think his ceiling outcome is? How enthusiastic are you to draft him?
8:46>> Yeah, I mean his ceiling is still going to go along with I think just the development of Hurts in this in this new
8:51offense. I mean Hurts is on what is 10th play caller, you know, going back to college and we're going to have him
8:57probably under center more for the first time of his career. So, just how does he acclimate to to that, right? You know,
9:03turning his back to the defense kind of really for the first time, you know, since maybe maybe ever. I don't know in
9:08high school if he really played under under center. I'm doubting he did, actually.
9:12Uh, so, you know, just how are they going to get through it? Are they just going to be still a run team as they
9:16find their way through it? But we only have a four-game sample of DeVonta Smith even running 20 or more routes in a game where A.J. Brown's not
9:23on the field and the fewest amount of fantasy points he scored is 14.4 in those games.
9:30Uh, you know, so it's it's like there's a a really high ceiling here. Especially cuz again, like people forget like as a
9:35prospect like this is as decorated as a receiver prospect there there was. Uh you know, coming out of of college, you
9:41know, it was a Heisman Trophy finalist, won the Biletnikoff. So, it's like like this this guy has a like a real like a
9:47immense amount of talent to latch onto and he's at the at the right point of his career where you're going to give
9:52him the the keys to an offense and com- command like a huge target share. I'm pretty bullish on it. I do think that,
9:58you know, there are some guys that maybe if you're doing like a a tiers and saying like could we arbitrage him, it
10:03could be a little bit, you know, deeper, you know, guys like a you know, Zay Flowers could have comparable target shares, right? It just it could come
10:09down to touchdown production, the splits between these guys, right? Like an Emeka Egbuka, um you know, Elijah Mitchell, even guys that can be hyper-efficient maybe with
10:18lower targets, but it just comes down to like who got in the box more.
10:23>> I think he's super interesting. It'll be interesting to see like how much ADP steam we'll see. We're seeing him as
10:28like wide receiver 12 in some formats, so he's he's like flipped Chris Olave.
10:34Could there be potential that he's going to flip Pickens, flip flip Rice, maybe get up to right where Nico Collins is?
10:40It's sort of like new territory for where we're used to having to to draft Smith, but Smith's also given us two
10:4715-point per game seasons. It's not like a theoretical player. Like you said, was the most prolific uh player under Nick Saban at the wide receiver position
10:56ever. Uh some of the stat lines were just absolutely silly at Alabama and he's 27 years old. This is kind of peak
11:02territory for what a smash season could be. So, very interesting player there.
11:07Love when my guests, especially smart ones like yourself, are on Ameka Egbuka.
11:12Shout out to Nelson Sousa, that's one of his big targets this year. Egbuka's been a big flag plan of mine. Scott Barrett
11:18coming around on Ameka Egbuka as well. I think he's got Egbuka well ahead of Ladd McConkey now, which was was nice to see.
11:24I I I caught Scott and Ryan's sort of arguments a little bit. So, I'm on Egbuka, you're on Egbuka. Why should fantasy managers
11:35make him part of their draft >> it's just that anytime you have a player that is drafted at this capital, immediately get thrown in the deep end
11:41of the NFL and have not only good production, but almost historical production. I mean, I saw the the tweet that Ryan Heath had yesterday where it
11:49was like the third most points ever scored for a guy in his first five games. And it we know what happened to
11:54Egbuka in this offense as the season went on. Like it was just a plethora of top-down injuries to the entire offense.
12:00Egbuka himself, you know, had a hamstring injury in week six. We saw Baker, you know, deal with literally like a handful of injuries, a shoulder,
12:08a core injury, a knee, an ankle, an oblique injury. He never missed a game, but his production after the week nine bye completely fell off of
12:17a cliff.
12:19You know, he went from 13 He had 13 passing touchdowns, nine interceptions the final nine games after having 13 touchdowns, two interceptions
12:26prior.
12:27Mike Evans kind of came back. There's kind of this rotation of receiver. The offense itself was just bad. But now we
12:33have Mike Evans gone. And with Evans off the field last year, we saw Egbuka was targeted on 26% of his routes, just over
12:41two yards per route run.
12:43And we're getting this Josh Grizzard's gone, and we're getting Zach Robinson. And Zach Robinson runs a very adjacent offense to the one Liam
12:50Cohen ran in 2024 when Baker Mayfield was awesome. They both were there at the Rams pit stop that he made during that
12:58year when he left Carolina. So I do think we're going to see Baker bounce back. I also think this team is just
13:02suited from a top-down stance to play a lot like a lot a couple previous Lions teams where they can really kind of get
13:09in some some matchups here where like teams are going to be have to throw on them cuz the Tampa Bay Buccaneers front
13:15seven is incredible. Like their front seven, like teams you're not running on the Bucks this year. But their cornerbacks look pretty thin and they
13:22look pretty suspect. And it's going to invite them to be kind of more more pass funnel. I think we're going to see the
13:26Bucks play in some high-scoring games uh because of that and get pushed a little bit to throw. So, all of those things
13:32just kind of line up where I'm like I when I'm in that range and I do want to build the plane out of wide receivers
13:37like in this area like that wide receiver 16 to 35 range. I like so many of those guys and it kind of really
13:44starts with like Ebuka here.
13:46>> Yeah, I love that you're you're going like kind of macro here on these guys that are available in that range. I
13:50agree with you. It's always been that wide receiver like 20 through wide receiver 36 range. We've always been able to find some value. This year feels
13:59like we could find a number of guys. So, really excited about from like a top-down macro. And again, if you want
14:04my takes on Ebuka uh they're on every single show cuz I'm all over them. I think he's a great pick and
14:09I'm well ahead of him in terms of my rankings which you can find over at rotowire.com. Use the code Theo for 15%
14:15off of any subscription. I'll have Ebuka well ahead and he's a guy that I've not only touting, but I'm drafting a ton of
14:22Rich. Emeka Ebuka or Ladd McConkey this year for you?
14:26>> I personally am going to just play the volume game and I just think from a projectable volume stance Ebuka projects
14:31for more targets, but there's absolutely a world where McConkey is just like so hyper-efficient that he kind of can run him can run Ebuka down. But, you like I
14:41said, I'm always going to be kind of a slave to like the little bit of the volume when I'm splitting hairs because
14:45at least just give me a bunch of targets cuz what if Ebuka ran hot, too, in the efficiency department? You know, with
14:50with more targets. That's really the only knock down I have really on Ladd is like you even go back to college. He's
14:55never been like a supreme like target share earner. He only has four games so far through two NFL seasons where he's
15:01even hit a 30% target share in a game.
15:04This uh Chargers offense feel like it's more spread out than the top as top-heavy as the Miami Mike McDaniel offense where it was really the whole
15:12plane was, you know, Tyreek Hill, Jaylen Waddle as receiver and Devon Achane The Chargers feel like they just have more guys to kind of get involved here
15:20than those teams. and we'll see that.
15:22But, if not, you know, this is a guy that has maybe, you don't want to say like he could have like a JSN type
15:27season cuz I don't think he's going to have a 35% target share, but on an efficiency basis, what we're going to get out of Mike
15:33McDaniel is absolutely massive for Ladd McConkey. I mean, you look at Mike McDaniel, uh his first tenure calling plays for the Miami Dolphins,
15:41league-high NFL rate of plays that uh pass plays that had pre-snap motion, 66%. They led the league in uh wide receiver snaps that had one to two wide
15:51receiver sets, and they were number one in the league in play action rate. Ladd McConkey as a rookie like was absolutely
15:57shredding in all of those environments, you know, 4.3 yards per out run on play action passes, 2.95 yards per out run um
16:04uh plays at motion, 3.4 yards per out run in one to two wide receiver sets.
16:09So, like if he gets like all those efficiency hacks, that's awesome. I know a lot of people say, "Well, what about
16:13last year?" And it's again like the Ebuka situation like we have hard soil evidence of what happened to the Chargers. It wasn't a a Ladd McConkey
16:20thing, everyone in the offense died.
16:22From week 10 on, the Chargers were 27th in yards per play, 27th in offensive success rate, 29th in explosive play rate, 27th in points per drive. Like it
16:30wasn't a Ladd McConkey thing, it was a top-down systemic thing that's going to flip over here for them this year.
16:36>> Yeah, it's a lot of those a lot of those splits in that offense where you look at like with Joe Alt and without Joe Alt,
16:43like very simply uh just Justin Herbert had like 50 more passing yards per game.
16:47It might have been higher than that. Uh and they just could It was It was like night and day with those guys. They get
16:52back Slater, they get back Alt, they really addressed the interior offensive line, and then you get Mike McDaniel.
16:58So, I've talked about this one a lot this off season both here at Rotowire, and then when I was at Fantasy Points.
17:03It's sort of I view McConkey as kind of a structural pick. I think he's fine. He's not somebody I'm willing to reach for, and I
17:11think he's going in a range of wide receivers where maybe like the upside case for them, I I think I lean into a
17:16little bit more. Like you said, it's like the Igbinoghene volume for me it's a kind of night and day. I'm well ahead
17:21of Igbinoghene than Mims and they kind of go close enough with one another.
17:25Let's talk about Zay Flowers. And this is one where all off-season long I on Dynasty Life I talked about like trade for Zay Flowers.
17:33I talked about taking Zay Flowers. I had this conversation with Mike Shope cuz we were in the Hard Way draft in FFPC
17:38league which is one of those like early early drafts. We did it like in May and I drafted Zay Flowers the end of the
17:45fourth round and I think there was another FFPC league a big one where Mike did it where he also got Flowers the end
17:50of the fourth. That that is gone. Like Zay Flowers has steamed up and there's a lot of enthusiasm for him. A lot of guys
17:57like yourself are talking about what a ceiling outcome could look like for him and now we're having to use sort of a
18:02late third round pick instead of like a fourth round pick in this kind of a format. Where are you at on Flowers? How
18:08good can he be in the Decklin Doyle offense and there's just you know, I'm wondering kind of your your rationale with him. I
18:14mean for me it's like the pass volume could increase dramatically. They could be like not last in the NFL in pass
18:20attempts this year. The tempo could be better. And then if you look at like positive touchdown regression, Flowers certainly has that. Maybe they actually
18:28target him in the end zone a little bit, but the guy just feels like could explode in so many ways whether it's
18:33target volume, whether it's tempo, whether it's touchdowns and we know he's very good at football.
18:40>> And that's really where it starts. I mean this is a guy who is a was a first round pick. He's increased his receiving
18:44yardage every year in the NFL. He's a he's accounted for a higher target share every in the NFL. He just commands more
18:50opportunities with as well he's he's played. The one bugaboo like you can't I mean the guy is 16 touchdowns through three NFL seasons and it's because of
18:58the utilization and he is a smaller player than these other guys we talked about. And so some of that is not just
19:04you know, particularly just like he's going to be due back for bounce back.
19:07Like we need to see this new coaching staff utilize him in that area of the field, right? Like his career end zone
19:14target target shares in the red zone, 20%, 11.5%, 19.2%. His target shares outside of the red zone, 23%, 28%, 30.4%.
19:25So, like that's just where it has to flip for him, but we've seen this with some guys in their career.
19:30You know, Amon Ra being a guy we led off the show with, right? Everyone was like, oh, is this going to be a guy that ever
19:33scores touchdowns? He just got he found the marriage of the of a play caller who was like, yes, we will dial up plays for
19:38him in the red zone. And we're probably going to have a little bit of flip this year for the Ravens with this coaching staff. We'll see if
19:44like he can contest cuz the one thing that this is still a question mark is the Ravens brought in all class years,
19:49right? You still have Mark Andrews, but the two rookies they drafted, Jacobi Lane and Elijah Serratt, like where do you think they're going to be involved?
19:56Probably down here, right? Down near the paint. So, I like I think I'm like FFPC, more full PPR, I'm a little more bullish
20:04on Flowers. I'm still having a little bit more of a question mark and like if you're you know, on Underdog and you're
20:08not in the full PPR stuff, I think that could be still a potential range of outcomes where here he's still like a
20:13four to six touchdown guy. But if he ever does just flirt with, you know, eight plus touchdowns, now we're cracking the door here and he's going to
20:19run down some of these guys that are going at the like at back end wide receiver one range because his utilization is just higher than those
20:26guys.
20:27>> Yeah, I think it's an interesting one where you bring up the Amon Ra St. Brown stuff and it's I think it's just a
20:31cautionary tale when it comes to wide receivers where, you know, you get in these like narratives and and people start repeating them and it's like the
20:40narrative is not always written. Narratives can shift dramatically. We saw it last year with JSN. I remember a huge fantasy football voice who will
20:50remain nameless who was comparing Amon Ra St. Brown to Julian Edelman when we we got steamed up in ADP and they're
20:56like, oh, this is Julian Edelman again, we're taking him too high. Guess what?
20:59He's not Julian Edelman, he's a little bit more alpha than that one.
21:02So, Zay Flowers, I think that's a really interesting take and I think you know, that 3-4 turn for PPR, I think it's
21:08going to return value. If he steams up much, much more, it becomes more of a conversation. We talked about a bunch of
21:14guys kind of going in that high-end wide receiver two range. Let's talk about a guy who's a low-end wide receiver two.
21:22Is Jaylen Waddle the best value in what at the wide receiver position right now, Rich?
21:27>> He's He's one of them and I understand why he's like hanging out where he is like in terms of ADP because people are
21:33like, "Oh, I've I've been told Jaylen Waddle's going to be this, you know, awesome fantasy pick for, you know, so many years and it hasn't really paid
21:40off."
21:41Uh so, that's why he's kind of, you know, staying down here. But, I mean, he he's set up again to be productive. We
21:46saw last year from weeks 5 to 17, he was the wide receiver 12 in target share, wide receiver one in air yards, wide
21:52receiver 10 in target rate per route run. He just played on a team that was 30th in pass attempts. You know, he's
21:58the Denver Broncos, uh you know, obviously you know, they were number number one in pass attempts. That's going to come down a little bit because
22:04they're going to be a little more balanced than when they had to shift to the RJ Harvey offense. But, when you
22:08look at the structure of this offense and what they want to do, uh Denver when they threw the ball to wide receivers
22:13last year, they ranked second in the league in screen target rate, third in go ball rate, 12th in crossing target rate. Those are all like monster areas
22:21where Jaylen Waddle excels. And we already saw last year there was a stretch of the season where Troy Franklin was the actual engine of the
22:28passing game over Courtland Sutton. So, like they're clearly they looked at what they were trying to do with Troy Franklin and they're like, "He's just
22:35not good enough to do this. What if we just go upgrade and we get a player that can do all these things we want to do."
22:42And that's it really kind of what we looked at look at Jaylen Waddle in this offense doing. Um they're they're also
22:47going to shift a little bit, I think, play a little bit more tempo with Davis Webb. Davis Webb has been consistently
22:51One thing that comes up with everything he's given us kind of privy to us to what he's going to change cuz there
22:56probably won't be wholesale changes out of the Sean Payton offense, but he's talked about tempo. Tempo, tempo, tempo. He's consistently gets that
23:03involved. So, Denver still has no tight ends to worry about here, too. So, yeah, you look at Jaylen Waddle. I mean,
23:10I'm just like everything kind of sets up for him to still be to take advantage of him just kind of floundering in this ADP where everyone's
23:17like, "Ah, I've been told he's going to be good." But, I have him higher than guys he goes like I'd outright rather
23:22have Jaylen Waddle than K.J. Hamler who goes higher than him. I would rather have him than Jaylen or Luther Burden, which is probably a hot take to some
23:30people, but cuz he's the new thing, right? Like, he's new maybe Jaylen Waddle.
23:36>> Yeah, it's interesting like Waddle, you know, we talked about this one I talked about this one with Pat Corain who's all
23:41over Jaylen Waddle. I went on their show, the Chip Chasing guys, and and they talked we all talked about Waddle.
23:47And everybody likes Waddle. And then Pat sort of talked about the same argument you had where he's got him head-to-head debate like a couple of guys ahead of
23:54him easily Jaylen Waddle. But, we haven't seen him steam up. I think there's another frame of thought where people see him as someone whose
24:04production is going to be somewhat similar to Courtland Sutton. And I think that narrative is sort of was out there right after the trade and it's sort of
24:12settled in ADP. And I I agree. I'm completely with you. Talk about that one. But, I think the fun thing about
24:17Waddle is even if he steams up a little bit in ADP, there's so many of these breakout type guys, guys that are a
24:24little bit younger where I feel like Waddle's not going to run up that much.
24:28I think he could run up maybe seven or eight spots, but I don't think this is like a full round adjustment as we get
24:33to August. I think Waddle's going to remain a guy that you can make part of your draft plan. Talk about the Sutton
24:38versus Waddle thing. Do you think that's a little bit ridiculous after the first, third, and fourth round draft capital they paid and considering Sutton's age?
24:47>> Well, I just think they showed us last year they were trying to convert away from, you know, Courtland Sutton being kind of the focal point of the
24:54offense. The other thing too that the addition of Jaylen Waddle is going to push Courtland Sutton more into like a more downfield role, too. He's going to
25:00be running more routes downfield, which isn't always great, man, for fantasy football points. But, we already saw from weeks 2 to 11, I mean, Troy
25:06Franklin before they started shuffling in Pat Bryant into the lineup because Franklin just wasn't good in the run game. They were trying to find something
25:14uh after the JK Dobbins injury. But, Franklin out-targeted Courtland Sutton, and he out-targeted him in the end zone over that period, 9 to 5. So, it's like
25:22uh they weren't even just dialing up like where Courtland Sutton was the foxhole guy when they got near the paint. Like, they it was they were still
25:28using Troy Franklin, and not even on those screens in the red zone. I said on actual end zone targets. Um the other
25:34thing, too, is he had he also had three two-point conversions, which so they were dialing up plays for him like particularly in like that area of the
25:41field. Like, Waddle's going to accrue uh a ton of that work.
25:45>> Yeah, I love it. I think Waddle's such an easy click right now, and and such an interesting one. You mentioned Luther
25:50Burden, um and you mentioned you take Waddle ahead of him, but you're still in on the Chicago wide receivers. Luther Burden at wide receiver 21, or Rome
25:58Odunze at 20 at wide receiver 28, or is the answer for a lot of people who are listening to us in July, Rich, they're
26:04they're not a one fantasy team type manager. Uh do you have a uh preference to one in a major way, or are you
26:11looking to sort of split the difference, take one when they fall, uh and just sort of invest in the the Ben Johnson
26:17wide receiver room instead of one wide receiver in particular?
26:20>> Yeah, I still want a Ben Johnson pass catcher, and you can include Kalif Raymond Loveland in that as well. So, I
26:25think you you still want to try to get one of these guys so you can always take like the uh the cheapest, you know, apple on the
26:30tree, depending how draft goes. To me, I hate to use it as a cop-out, but I think it's format-sensitive.
26:36Uh I think Luther Burden is a player I want more of in that in that full PPR format, cuz where he earns it is going
26:42to earn his targets, they're going to be a little bit more conducive to playing around some of the shortcomings that Caleb Williams still has in the
26:48continued growth he accuracy issues he still has versus Rome Odunze. But, I still believe Rome Odunze is going to have an opportunity to score more
26:55touchdowns than than he will. I mean, as a rookie, Luther Burden had two end zone targets. That's going to be more than
27:01two this year.
27:02We just talked about, you know, Ben Johnson was a guy who got Amon-Ra St.
27:05Brown involved in near the end zone, but you know, he really only had Sam LaPorta to contend with as you know, an end zone
27:11target over the course of his career where it's like Luther Burden's still going against Rome Odunze and Cole Kmet and Loveland in this area of the field.
27:18And we saw before Rome Odunze's injury, he was the wide receiver nine in end zone target share.
27:24I still think he's going to be really involved there. You know, unfortunately though, like Rome, I think where he's going to run his routes in this offense
27:31and where he's run them his first two years, just more of these downfield targets that runs up against kind of the
27:36the issues that Caleb Williams still has in terms of downfield accuracy. We saw over the the as the season progressed, you know,
27:43Rome Odunze over the final eight games, 27% of his targets were inaccurate. No wide receiver had as many targets him and his higher share of inaccurate
27:50targets. And as a rookie, it was just there 26.7%.
27:54He's still the guy when you look at it, team high 14.1 air yards over the first two years of his career. 26% of his
28:01targets have 20 or more yards downfield.
28:03That still is overlaps like where Caleb Williams has some of his issues, but in these half point PPR leagues like he can run down Luther Burden based on
28:13touchdown equity. So, I think like on like a site like Underdog where people are drafting like Luther Burden's a Underdog ADP is one of the more head
28:20scratching ones to me because there's an absolute range of outcomes where he has like that that 80 catch 1,100 yard season, but like with four touchdowns
28:30and like you're overpaying for that in half point PPR.
28:34>> It's an interesting one. I think a lot of the Underdog market is sort of correlation based and people love building those Chicago stacks. So, it's
28:40sort of like push him up, get your Caleb Williams, and then you can add on one of the running, you know, Loveland, the
28:46running backs. I think Chicago, everybody's sort of open-minded to and gosh, I mean, it's hard to fade Chicago in any way right now.
28:53I've been well ahead on on Burden, Van der Dunze. Do you worry about the foot, Rich, or is that something that you
28:59think is a little overblown?
29:01>> I think it's probably a little bit overblown. Obviously, anytime a player says makes a quote like that, they're like people are going to run with it to
29:07the extreme, but we've already seen like the video of him running and everything.
29:10Like it isn't like it's I mean, it's >> Looks good on a tread Looks good on a treadmill, right?
29:15>> Yeah, but I mean, until like like until he's given his I mean, why are Why is no one talking about Tatero McMillian's
29:20foot? He's not even part of anything.
29:21Like he hasn't participated in anything because of the foot injury he had last year. Rondale is at least participating in stuff.
29:28>> Well, there you go. There you go.
29:29Rondale Moore Dunze definitely the cheaper option of the two and then everybody knows what I think about Colson Loveland, just draft him whenever
29:35you can. Talk about Terry McLaurin cuz last year he was going at the three-four turn in formats like the FFPC, NFFC. He
29:43got steamed up and then certainly on Underdog, everyone was trying to build out those Jayden Daniels, Terry McLaurin stacks. Is this like the post-hype
29:52sleeper year where McLaurin bounces back in a major way with maybe a more fantasy-friendly role in this David Blough offense where they're actually
30:02going to move him around a little bit and and heavily feature him week in, week out?
30:06>> I mean, we already seen 2 years ago his first full season with Jayden Daniels, like he was a value at wide receiver
30:11like in the same area. Like he was being drafted right around here. And you can make the case that he actually is in a
30:17better role than that 2024 role that he was in with Kliff Kingsbury. First of all, when Terry McLaurin even played last year, he was still a really good
30:24player. I mean, obviously, we know he started the summer with, you know, the holdout, then he had quad and core injuries over the course of the season.
30:30He only played on 46% of the dropbacks.
30:33When he did play though, he was 14th in yards per route run of all receivers with 100 more routes. When he was on the
30:39field, he had 31% of the team targets, 46% of the team air yards. Now Deebo Samuel is removed from the offense as
30:45well. Like there's really they'll probably add someone, but maybe they don't. Like we can keep we can keep guessing, maybe they don't. Um we're
30:52interested in what David Blough has in this offense, but the one thing David Blough has preached all off season is that he's going to run more under center
30:59play action stuff. We haven't seen Terry McLaurin get any type of those types of targets, those easy button targets. I mean,
31:06um you look at under Cliff Kingsbury, Terry McLaurin was stuck in the static role.
31:10He lined up on the line of scrimmage for 85% of his snaps. He lined up at left wide receiver for 75% of those snaps out
31:16wide. He was the wide receiver 61 in routes run per game in terms of uh routes that had pre-snap motion. Just
31:22none of these free squares for him. And literally David Blough came in and it told us he's like, "I'm going to try to
31:28get Terry McLaurin almost get 10 targets a game. I want to build around explosives around Terry McLaurin." So you're going to have the explosive
31:35element plus the marriage of getting more play action, more pre-snap motion stuff that have always been efficiency hacks. So he's a guy too that I just
31:42think is getting a little bit undervalued um because again, it's like one of these guys like Jaylen Waddle where people are like, "Win, win, win."
31:49But you already had a season with Jaden Daniels that was value.
31:53>> Yeah, it's it's like McLaurin, there's nothing theoretical. We saw it literally 2 years ago when he could bounce back.
31:58And then I I mean, you love hearing coaches say some say mention 10 targets a game. There's like nothing gets us
32:05going more than that. And sort of the >> [laughter] >> the the teammate target competition like I know you're on Antonio Williams.
32:11There's some smart people on Antonio Williams. Nelson Sosa likes Antonio Williams.
32:15Um and I like Antonio Williams, but you're talking about a third round rookie that's probably my bet to be the number two target
32:23there. I mean, Chigo Okonkwo potentially could be that as well. And Rashad White will get some targets out of the backfield, but this is the Terry
32:29McLaurin show. If McLaurin doesn't deliver in a major way, I think this offense could struggle this year even with Jaden Daniels being awesome. So
32:36they've got a lot invested in McLaurin on the money side and on the scheme and like sort of the offensive usage side.
32:43So, almost too big to fail and he's going in a range where it's cheaper than last year. You're able to get him like
32:49towards the end of the wide receiver two land. Uh so, really a fun one. Could Christian Watson in 2026 be this year's
32:57version of 2024 Terry McLaurin and catch a bunch of passes in a in an offense and we finally get like the answer to what
33:06does a full season of Christian Watson look like from a fantasy ceiling perspective?
33:10>> Yeah, and you see kind of a theme with this like pocket of guys. I mean, I want to take advantage of where gamers are
33:15scared of like previous results, right?
33:17Like these guys we're talking about because when you look at these guys objectively in the situations that they're in for just 2026 in isolation,
33:24they're all positive. They're all pros.
33:27Uh you look at Christian Watson. I mean, last year Romeo Doubs was the only Packer wide receiver to run a route on
33:33over 50% of the dropbacks last season.
33:35They also traded Dontayvion Wicks. Um so, we're just going to see as a core element while Christian Watson's healthy and we'll get to that part of it. Uh
33:43like he's going to be a primary wide receiver in this offense. We are not going to have that Green Bay rotation of
33:48wide receivers that we have had in previous years. It's going to be a lot more condensed and when they're playing one to two wide receiver sets, he's
33:54going to be one of the guys on the field. Uh you know, between Matthew Golden and Jayden Reed. Jayden Reed has
34:00run eight career pass routes in one to two wide receiver sets. Like even if he plays more, it's still going to be uh a
34:06limitation into how many of those snaps he plays. And we've seen just constantly anytime that this guy's played football, Christian Watson is like he's been
34:13productive. Since entering the league, wide receiver 15 in yards per route run, wide receiver 13 in fantasy points per target, wide receiver 17 in fantasy
34:21points per route run. Uh so, if we're getting more routes and he's on the field more, we're going to get more
34:26fantasy points. We also are going to see him build on what we saw last year because when he had to operate as the
34:32wide receiver one for a stretch last year, what did he get? Access to more easy buttons that we talked about. 14.9%
34:39of his routes were out routes, a career high. 14.1% hitches, uh second highest rate in his career. Those are fantasy smoothing opportunities that you layer
34:48in with the post routes and the downfield targets that he earns. So, you get a little bit more of a floor out of
34:55a player that already has a high per target ceiling. We know he's missed time every year of his career. He's played 20
35:00regular season games or missed 20 regular season games over the course of his rookie contract. That's why he hasn't jumped, right? Cuz everyone else
35:07knows this, too, but it's why he hasn't jumped in terms of price. So, I love, man. There are You can get him as your
35:12wide receiver four in some drafts when you're aggressive drafting, but like as a wide receiver three, like he's the archetype of what you want as your wide
35:19receiver three. Like, big play potential and a and it's coming with a target increase and opportunity spike.
35:27>> Yeah, and I'm I'm on Christian Watson ahead of I mean, people don't necessarily like this take, but I'm ahead of of DJ Moore. I'm ahead of Mike
35:34Evans. I'm ahead of Davante Adams. He's going in that range with all those guys, and I think, you know, I'm not going to
35:39talk you off. I know you like DJ Moore maybe a little bit more than I do, and there's some really smart people on DJ
35:43Moore, but I think Watson, like when we're we're chasing ceilings in that range, I I'm kind of all over him, and I think
35:51it's interesting because, you know, you you bring up the the Wicks and the Romeo Doubs thing where it's going to be so
35:57much more consolidated in terms of the wide receiver snaps between like three guys, but Watson will be on the field clearly in two wide receiver sets, also
36:06on the field in three wide receiver sets, and I think that we have a chance for him. I talked about this with Jacob
36:12Gibbs where Watson's sort of always been pegged as a 19% target share guy, maybe 18 and a half percent target share guy.
36:19I think he could get to 22% this year, which for a player like like himself, I I that would be massive. So, I'm I'm
36:26into Christian Watson. I think he's a really really strong click. Uh let us know in the comments what you think about Christian Watson. Now, you got
36:33another one of my guys in here. Um I love Carnell Tate. And I've been like talking about him. Me and you did uh
36:39rookie draft content. We went over on ETR ETR this year and and talked about it with the the draft over there. And we
36:47did that one together, right, Rich? I think.
36:48>> Yeah, yeah, yeah.
36:49>> Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. And then we talked about we talked about Carnell Tate over there. And it's sort of the discourse was Carnell Tate versus Jordan
36:57Tyson.
36:58I think Tyson's fine. I think Mkhai Lemon's interesting. But if one rookie wide receiver is going to be a wide receiver one this year, it's easily
37:06Carnell Tate. I'm not saying it's going to happen, but the vibes are great.
37:10We've seen Brian Daboll fast-track uh new wide receivers that are new to a team twice. We saw it with Stefon Diggs.
37:18We saw it with Malik Nabers. Not saying that Carnell Tate is a Malik Nabers-level prospect, but I do think that the opportunity is there for Tate
37:27to have a monster usage season and be the focal point of this passing game.
37:32So, I'm I'm super excited about him.
37:34What's a bold case for you with Tate? Is it ADP value or is it an upside argument?
37:40>> Yeah, it's it's a little bit of a marriage of both. And uh you know, I like him like less than a guy like, you
37:45know, Christian Watson that we just talked about. But we are getting the number four draft pick that was the first wide receiver in his class at like
37:52a pretty significant discount than like where these guys have historically gone.
37:55So, I want to kind of be in on that and and and and get some exposure through that. Just the saying through the lens
38:00of like, "Hey, these guys really haven't been that cheap before." And I know we've had some failures kind of dictate uh some of the market movement there.
38:07But doesn't mean everyone's going to fail, right? Like And you kind of talked about it. I mean, we saw a rookie Malik
38:11Nabers get 170 targets with Brian Daboll. That was in a season where Wan'Dale Robinson had 140 targets, too.
38:17Like that was adjacent to it. We saw, you know, Brandon Marshall have 142 targets in a Brian Daboll offense.
38:23Stefon Diggs 166, 164.
38:26Um we saw Dwayne Bowe have a 25% target share it under Brian Daboll in 2012 in his offense. So I definitely believe
38:33just from an opportunity stance pending how much the Titans throw, we're going to see Carnell Tate occupy like a a significant target share. You know, it
38:41it all just depends on like the development of, you know, uh Kam Ward in year two. He is a very He had a very
38:47like uh adjacent rookie season to Caleb Williams, you know, in terms of like what happened to him in terms of like
38:52inefficiency, taking sacks, uh his head coach getting fired, and offensive play caller getting fired during his rookie season, and all that's kind of getting a
38:59clean slate, and we're looking to build the building block. Unfortunately, Ben Johnson isn't here, but like Brian Daboll is a good offensive play caller.
39:05I refuse to believe he's not, and I understand people will be like, "Look at what happened to him." Some guys are
39:09made to be called play callers, not head coaches. But I still think he did a lot of things in New York as like fantasy
39:14gamers, we still are like, "Oh, those were positives for what we were looking for." Just didn't all come through because of quarterback play. And um you
39:21know, we're obviously placing faith in Kam Ward in that. But I also believe also where Kam Ward wins as a quarterback
39:27is also aligns with where Carnell Tate showed he won in college, you know, as a guy that can win in the contested catch
39:33game and win down field. I think it's a perfect marriage in terms of uh the best attributes that Kam Ward has and the
39:39best attributes Carnell Tate brings out of packaging as a rookie wide receiver.
39:43So he's probably a little more price sensitive than some of the guys that we talked about, but I definitely don't want to end up with no Carnell Tate
39:49because I do think there's a range of outcomes here where yeah, uh as a rookie decorated target, like he is pushing 150 targets.
39:57>> Yeah. I I mean, now you're speaking my language here, Rich. I mean, Carnell Tate also, like you talk about where
40:02we're having to take him, he's like a mid wide receiver three where I thought there'd be a little bit more steam where when we first started
40:11out with like best ball when those guys got drafted, I thought there was a chance that that we'd see the Tate-Tyson
40:16group rise and rise and rise. It's sort of settled in. So, I think you can make him a foundational piece to your draft
40:22strategy and still get a bunch of the other wide receivers that are maybe a little bit safer that Rich has already
40:28talked about and also have upside. So, I think Tate is priced correctly. Wide receiver 30 feels like a floor ADP rather than a ceiling chasing. So,
40:37really really interesting one there.
40:38Let's go a little bit lower. We're We're in the wide receiver three range. Let's talk about Parker Washington. This is pretty much a discourse of Washington
40:45versus BTJ or is it? Can both of these guys pay off or is there a one that you're leaning towards significantly
40:52when you're evaluating wide receivers?
40:54>> I I just think from a skill perspective stance, I want to bet on Parker Washington if the room is scared of the
41:01Jacksonville situation becoming Green Bay-esque or maybe a little bit too muddy for gamers to kind of uh settle in on. I definitely believe that
41:09Jacksonville is built to be a passing team. We'll see We You and I have already talked about this your previous shows about you know, James Gladstone,
41:16how he kind of approached this off season and do they kind of swerve into being more of a 12 personnel running
41:21team. But I think just structurally they are set to be to run this offense through Trevor Lawrence to spread defenses apart uh spread defenses out
41:30because the offensive line isn't particularly strong and the running back room I think is takes some real kind of you know, uh squinting to see. Even if
41:38Beathard Tuin had the same role as Travis Etienne, people don't realize Travis Etienne wasn't good the back half of the last year. He just scored a bunch
41:46of touchdowns and Tuin can get there through touchdowns, but the offense went extremely pass-heavy because Travis Etienne wasn't good and they couldn't
41:53run the football. Um and you look at where Parker Washington wins. I think that outside-in inside uh usage that he has is just really
42:01something I I believe is is stronger amongst the other guys here in in Jacoby Myers and Brian Thomas Jr. If Jacoby uh
42:09Brian Thomas Jr.'s is a similar role as outside, I mean, dude, has anyone like looked at the opening schedule that Brian Thomas Jr. will face as an outside
42:16receiver?
42:18Uh >> You have, Rich. You definitely have, Rich.
42:20>> I mean, dude, the the opening six games the Jacksonville Jaguars are going to face Denzel Ward, Patrick Surtain, Christian Gonzalez, D.J. Turner, Quinyon
42:29Mitchell, Derek Stingley, bye week. What are the opening 2 months of the season are you going to be like, "Damn, I feel
42:35really good about putting Brian Thomas Jr. in my lineup this week as my wide receiver three flex against one of those
42:40guys?"
42:41Uh not me. He could bounce back as a player, but like I ain't going to feel good about putting him in my lineup
42:45against any of those guys.
42:47>> That's That's definitely definitely about as tough a run out as you can get.
42:51>> It can't get worse, man.
42:52>> The early the early Surtain I I Island game is uh is always a tough one for every any wide receiver. I think it's
42:58interesting. I mean, you talk about Parker Washington. Parker Washington like I I had this conversation with somebody where, you know, I've talked
43:05about drafting multiple Jaguars in this range now where Tuten falls to a range where I'm willing to click the button, BTJ, and then Parker Washington. Like
43:14everybody likes the Jacksonville offense, but we're all trying to figure it out, and they're all going in like that round five through seven range.
43:21Parker Washington settled in as a seventh rounder. So, I'm I lean BTJ over Parker Washington, but it's become like a round difference where when we started
43:30drafting, Parker Washington was going ahead of BTJ, but like the vibes have been good with BTJ, some very positive coach speak in the the beat reporters
43:38talking about how good he looked in OTAs.
43:40>> The connection with Lawrence. So, I think you can draft them both. And I again, the the early season standing uh
43:46schedule notwithstanding, Trevor Lawrence, if we really did turn a corner last year, going with both of those guys, having one as like your wide
43:54receiver three, one as your flex, or wide receiver two in your flex, I think that can pay off. And if you're
43:58searching for stacks, the fact that so many people are splitting it, that you're going to end up in in some of these tournaments like
44:05FFPC Main Events and NFFC Primetime, that could be a really fun stack, a Parker Washington Trevor Lawrence or BTJ Trevor Lawrence or both, and then sort
44:13of mixing in Touton with one of the two.
44:15I think Liam Coen's really smart, and I get access to their guys at a pretty cheap price tag. So, interesting there.
44:20You talk about I bucha, is there some value also in 30-year-old Chris Godwin this year in Tampa?
44:27>> Yeah, I do think potentially there is. I mean, especially since he's just hanging out down here. I mean, cuz you got to
44:33give him I think a hall pass for last year. I mean, that injury he was coming back from was just absolutely
44:38devastating. I mean, he it like not no one comes back from that that injury, and maybe it takes he never comes back from it, right? But I I'm
44:45willing to still see cuz I already laid out the case for why I think the Bucks are going to throw more and be involved
44:48in these game environments. And then we're going to see Chris Godwin moving to more of like a natural slot position, um where he obviously had a huge amount
44:57of success in the Liam Coen offense, and I already think this offense can be more adjacent to that. I just don't know if
45:01we're going to see him get as much like overall burn as he did that season. Like I'm not expecting him to be the wide
45:07receiver, you know, two in points per game, right? Like you're not paying for that either.
45:12Um but you look at that year he was averaging seven catches per game, 82 yards per 82 yards per game. I think we
45:18can get somewhere in the range of like, you know, like five to five to six catches per game and in the 60-yard
45:23range, then you're getting some value here. Then you have contingency value if something were to happen to I bucha. Um so, yeah, he's just a guy I think down
45:30down in this range. Like I'm still willing to bite the apple on because of where I think the Bucks are I'm trying
45:36to move to the puck where that I believe the Bucks are going to be this year in terms of a passing offense.
45:40>> Yeah, it's interesting cuz Godwin I just don't know know if I think maybe the injuries catch up with him, and that's
45:45sort of my take with Godwin. And also, there's wide receivers who go as high-end wide receiver four {slash} low-end wide receiver threes that are
45:54right around Godwin that I think have more upside, and these are a couple of your targets as well. Yeah, yeah. about
46:00Talk about Josh Downs cuz Downs is super interesting where it's an it feels like a post-hype sleeper where we talked about like Terry McLaurin. There was a
46:09contingent of analysts, I know Scott Barrett was all over Downs for a long time, and we saw that really successful 2024 season from him.
46:17Now Michael Pittman is a Pittsburgh Steeler. Alec Pierce got the huge contract, but Alec Pierce dealing with some injuries.
46:24It feels like it could be a Downs bounce back season. It's also a contract year for him where he could parlay this into a big contract this off
46:32season. You could easily see, if you're like looking at the future, Josh Downs has a really strong 2026 season, catches a bunch of passes, and then moves on and
46:42sort of gains dynasty value attached to some offense that just parks him in the slot. Wide receiver 42 in recent FFPC
46:49ADP. Where are you at on Josh Downs?
46:52>> Yeah, I feel like even as a floor outcome, this this plays out in PPR formats. Uh cuz even if like, you know,
46:57Daniel Jones is still a limited quarterback, and he's limited with this injury. Remember, Daniel Jones his Achilles injury was to his plant foot.
47:04So, um you know, if he's not able to push the ball down field and get these targets that, you know, Alec Pierce,
47:10right? Like who's going to benefit? It's going to be Tyler Warren and Josh Downs.
47:13And Josh Downs is a guy they've literally told us ad nauseam is going to have a a bigger role and play in outside
47:19uh plays an outside receiver more than he has his point in his career. He's going to play in wide receiver one wide
47:23one and two wide receiver sets. Which isn't like a huge deal, but he's going to still be on the field more than he
47:28than he has. And when he's been on the field, he's been targeted on 24% of his routes since his rookie year. That's
47:3224th in the league. It's the same rate as Michael Pittman. Uh which is, you know, vacated the vacated targets. And when Pittman isn't hasn't been on the
47:39field, which is a 122 route sample uh over his rookie contract, Josh Downs has been targeted on 25% of his routes.
47:46And he's also won outside, too, uh as an outside player. And he can get open. Uh we'd love to see like the air yards go
47:52up for him. But again, at face value, even if Daniel Don- Daniel Jones is limited, he's going to catch, I think, a
47:58a a value even if he doesn't score touchdowns because he's just going to be like a wide receiver floor base guy you
48:03can plug in as a flex and say I'm going to get a safe volume of targets and and catches. And then the upside outcomes
48:09are, you know, Daniel Jones and this offense are playing to the level they were the front half of last year. Maybe
48:13Alex something happens to Alec Pierce or Alec Pierce doesn't develop as a full field wide receiver to the degree the Colts are hoping and paying him for.
48:19Uh, there are just a lot of avenues here to where like this could go right and I feel like this is kind of the floor in
48:25full PPR.
48:26>> Yeah, it's a it's a very interesting one and I'm I'm on Tyler Warren this year. I like Tyler Warren a lot. But you've seen
48:33Warren steam up so so much and Downs is just sort of sitting there. So if you're chasing someone getting a a super They
48:39both could end up with a very very high target share and total total targets. It could be very consolidated passing game
48:45in in Indianapolis. So interesting one there. One more player that you listed and I'm excited about this one, Quentin Johnston. And Quentin Johnston it's like
48:55Mike McDaniel keeps singing his praises.
48:58The guy's had 16 touchdown catches over the last two seasons. He's got the top-notch athleticism and the pedigree and people sort of just hate seeing him
49:08steam up. I know when he got the contract extension there was people just sort of like angry. There's this this real animus towards Quentin Johnston.
49:15We talked about Lad McConkey. I think one easy entry into getting the an LA Charger is just draft Quentin Johnston and wait. Um, I think if Justin Herbert
49:25has the kind of dream season like we think he could, QJ could end up paying off in a major way. Maybe a double-digit
49:30touchdown season with maybe career highs in in receiving yardage.
49:34>> Yeah, I think he isn't getting enough credit for the growth he's made since his rookie year. I think a lot of people
49:38just think of like the back to his rookie season and they just don't think he's like a very good player, but he's
49:43continue he's continually gotten better every year in the NFL. Like whenever I see guys continuously get better in the NFL, I'm like, oh, I don't want to that,
49:50right? Like I don't want to ignore growth. Um and again, I also think that everyone's giving Ladd McConkey this kind of pass that what happened to the
49:59Chargers, and I am too, cuz he should, but no one's giving it to Quentin Johnston, either.
50:04Uh remember the front half of the year, this guy wasn't a boomer bust option in the NFL. He was a top-30 scorer in six
50:11of the opening eight games last year.
50:12Two wide receiver one scoring weeks over that stretch. He's averaging 57.5 yards per game over that span. Um and then you
50:20look at what after the Joel Alt injury, 19 total receptions, uh two touchdowns.
50:25Uh he had four catches to 20 yards, cuz again, I talked talked about the the offense died. The other thing about him
50:30is that, you know, even if Johnston's the the player he's that people believe he's always been this this volatile type of player. Uh there are still reasons to
50:37be excited for him in this iteration of the Mike McDaniel offense, uh because we know they're going to run a quicker
50:42passing game as well, and we're able to get him more shorter targets mixed in with those lid-lifting opportunities.
50:47Over the past two seasons, Quentin Johnston 7.1 yards per catch on throws at or behind the line of scrimmage, and he has 31 of those targets. It isn't
50:56like a 10-target sample. That uh the base rate for the wide receivers is 5.6 yards on those catch. He averages 8.9
51:03yards after the catch on those. The base rate for the position is 8.2. And those route uh those rates are way higher than
51:09Ladd McConkey. He's only averaged 3 yards per catch and 6.1 yards after the catch because he's just not that type of
51:14player, right? So, I think there's a lot of avenues here where you're going to see like people just like kind of be
51:20like poo-poo Quentin Johnston a little bit because it's like oh, it's Quentin Johnston, but like at this price point, like there's a lot more upside here. And
51:27then you have contingency stuff that's not being priced in. Like, what if Ladd McConkey misses a month, right? Like, you think they're just going to
51:35automatically just give Trey Harris like a 25% target share? I don't think so.
51:39So, I mean, this is a guy again, just like I get why he's priced down here, but I feel like a lot of people are
51:44factoring in like what's happened to this point of his career over what is like set up for him right now.
51:51>> Yeah, I'm I'm with you. I mean, this could end up being the best offensive situation he's ever been in. We like the
51:56LA Chargers and I understand taking Omarion Hampton where you take him. I understand the Lad McConkey McConkey enthusiasm, but you're able to get QJ in
52:06like a really easy to click range and especially correlation with Justin Herbert. I absolutely love it. Very quick thoughts on Ricky Pearsall.
52:14We're talking about bottom of wide receiver four land. A player that there was way more enthusiasm for last year and then you talk about like a an
52:22arbitrage play for maybe you don't want to click the button on Mike Evans. Maybe you're worried about the age and the or
52:27or the how he would will perform as a in a new situation. You can go super cheap and get access to a guy that we know
52:34Kyle Shanahan likes a lot in Pearsall.
52:37>> And it's the same following the theme.
52:38If you've if you're following the theme of like a lot of these guys we've talked about is like I want to take advantage
52:42of you know, gamers pricing in over you know, overly pricing in kind of like what results have shown, but not looking
52:49at one the situation that they're in now or even like the the per game upside these guys have. Anytime Ricky Pearsall's played football, he's been
52:56hyper productive. I mean, you look at last year.
52:59Uh he opens the year with a you know, 100 yards against the Seahawks. How many guys had 100 yards receiving against the
53:04Seahawks? 56 yards, 117 yards over his first three games. Then he gets injured.
53:08He's banged up, comes back at the end of the year. We saw him have six catches for 96 yards in week 14. Then he has
53:13five for 85 in week 16. This guy anytime he plays, he is a productive player. Um we just got to get him on the field and
53:20to stay on the field. And you're injury prone to or not and none of his injuries are like that like kind of the you you
53:26would you worry about some of like the um the the hamstring stuff, but also look at what the guy that's the wide
53:31receiver one on his team. He's been on the injury report five years in a row with a hamstring injury. So, you get
53:36some Mike Evans contingency value. I think at a discount. We believe in the 49ers infrastructure. Then also, we have to think about what Mike Evans does for
53:43Ricky Pearsall in the first place. Um he allows Ricky Pearsall to come out of like that vertical X role he had to play
53:50last year.
53:51Uh only um only 15% of his targets as a rookie were deep targets. And then you look at last year, that took a massive
53:59jump. He averaged uh 32 per 32% of his targets were throws 20 yd more downfield. That's double the rate. He averaged 14.1 air yd per target last
54:07year when he had to play in that role.
54:09Um and then that kind of hurt his like yards after the catch. So he's not going to be a huge yards after the catch guy
54:14anyways. But Mike Evans also frees him up as well. So while he's playing with Mike Evans, he has a chance now cuz we
54:19don't have no Jauan Jennings in this offense, right? This team doesn't run a lot of 11 personnel. So how much does
54:24De'Von Achane even get on the field as a rookie? And does he even leapfrog Christian Kirk? Uh those are all questions. We know Ricky Pearsall is
54:31going to be on the depth chart while he's healthy. Wide receiver two at worst, potentially be wide receiver one anytime that Mike Evans goes down. So
54:37just again want to kind of take a take advantage of some of these guys that kind of get pushed down that I think
54:42have proven to be good players when they play on the football field.
54:45>> Yeah, I like that. I access to good offenses and also the contingent upside not only with Evans but with Kittle. Two
54:51players that are much older than Pearsall. So people talk about sort of the injury concerns with Pearsall. It's more also like Kittle coming off of
54:57being a big injury and you've also got Mike Evans. Both of those guys sort of north north of 31 years old. Whereas
55:03Pearsall, the knock on him has been he just can't stay healthy. What if he does play stay healthy? And I think like the
55:09downside risk is baked in when you're talking about low-end wide receiver like wide receiver four land for Pearsall. So really interesting one. Uh before we get
55:18you out of here, let's rip off a couple of wide receiver sleepers. When you get down into like the wide receiver five
55:24land, who are a couple guys that you're targeting as like your end game wide receiver targets?
55:29>> Yeah, and I I don't know if you're still in on here, but I'm I'm still willing A player I didn't want any part of last
55:34year was Matthew Golden.
55:35>> you know I'm still in on him. I'm not quitting Matthew Golden.
55:38>> I love it. I just think the value represents too much here to get a you know, a year two wider wide receiver
55:43that was drafted in round one in an offense that we still believe in that's going to have a pathway to more
55:47opportunities inherently because of the things we talked about with Christian Watson. I mean the opening nine weeks he was on the field for 70% of the drop
55:54backs just and there are plays when you go back to those when you go back and watch Matthew Golden film like there was
55:59opportunities for him to hit. He was getting open and creating separation. So the fact that he's just priced down here as a wide low and wide receiver four
56:08wide receiver five. I just want to add that to rosters and see where it goes. I feel like there's really no risk here
56:13and I brought up the Jayden Reed stat that through Jayden Reed's career he's run eight routes on one to two wide
56:19receiver sets. Eight. As a rookie Matthew Golden ran 72.
56:24So like they trusted him in on those sets too as well as a rookie. So he has that pipeline to be kind of played over
56:30him and kind of sticking with the theme like year two wide receivers. Jayden Higgins is another guy. I believe one CJ
56:36Stroud has been run through the ringer in terms of like there's like a perception that like he's like a Bryce Young level quarterback and I just that
56:43I find that like outrageous.
56:46Uh but you know, Jayden Higgins is going to be in this larger role in year two.
56:50Uh he was only on the field for 56% of drop backs as a rookie. He has obviously contingency upside with Nico Collins
56:56misses time. We saw last year when Nico Collins uh missed 210 routes Jayden Higgins had 20 a 22% target share on those plays. So
57:03you have that kind of built in. Uh obviously a player that has touchdown you know, equity as well could could be
57:08a clasher in the um the red zone and you brought up Antonio Williams just because if this Commanders offense is going to
57:14be a value and they don't add what we assume right now they're not going to add Brandon Aiyuk at this point.
57:20>> [laughter] >> Like we feel pretty like okay about that.
57:22>> We'll keep a candle keep a candle burning for Stefon Diggs. I always bring that one up. It's like Diggs could end up there.
57:28>> But at this point like he He has a runway to be the wide receiver two in this offense and I think people uh uh
57:35forget like as a prospect this is a really good kind of prospect. I mean this guy 208 career receptions at Clemson and it he probably projects to
57:41be more of a slot centric NFL player at 5'11 190 but going back to 2024 which is Clay Kubiak's best year as well he did
57:49play 41% of his snaps out wide uh in that season which was overlap Kubiak's best season so like I think there is some opportunity here where he
57:57might just be pushed out there uh a little bit more as a rookie pending on if there's an addition here. He's just a
58:02guy I want to say has a a pathway to like more snaps than where he's being drafted at and if Jayden Daniels is the
58:07player that we saw more of the rookie season than year two in this David Blau offense is going to create some more
58:12opportunities for this offense through play action and pre-snap motion. Like he's just a guy I'm going to add to rosters and I feel like if he doesn't
58:20hit like you can throw him back at really like really low leverage risk.
58:24>> Who are two wide receivers that are maybe a little bit more highly drafted that you are not clicking the button on
58:30and you have concerns returning value at ADP?
58:33>> Uh the first one is George Pickens and I totally get like the pro outcome.
58:37Obviously if he's just you know you know uh >> Last year's George Pickens?
58:40>> Yeah he'll like one last year's George Pickens or it's just like a complete like Cincinnati situation, right? Where like these it's just Lamb Higgins redux,
58:46right? Or you know Chase Higgins redux. But I mean when you look at Pickens last year he was third in fantasy points scored over
58:54expectations. Lamb was 214th.
58:57Like there's probably going to be some oscillation where what one guy ran hot the and you know Lamb's not going to run
59:03that cold again. Also when Lamb came back the the final 10 games of the year George Pickens was only a wide receiver
59:10one in two of those games. He was a top 24 receiver in only half of those games.
59:14So he was a lot more volatile of a play.
59:16And then you have the outcome here too where the Dallas defense could be improved. Now they're not going to be so
59:21much improved to where like these guys are going to outright fail but like the the Dallas defense allowed 2.9 points per
59:28drive. It was the second highest rate of of any team over the past decade.
59:32And the Dallas game environments created a game environments where the combined they were teams averaging 58 points per game combined, which is the fourth
59:41highest over the past decade. Like there's reasons for that to come down a little bit too as well. Dallas also is
59:46going to probably run into better fortune in terms of offensive line continuity and health. So maybe the run game is even a little bit better than it
59:52was the back half of the year, which it struggled. So Again, like I always struggle when these guys were really cheap the year before. And it's funny is
59:59I was hammering George Pickens last year for the reasons we talked about ad nauseam with Jaylen Waddle and Christian Watson and Terry McLaurin.
60:07Game The reason George Pickens was cheap last year is because everyone's like, well, I've drafted George Pickens before and he hasn't hit, right? And but now
60:13he's really high and he's a really highly priced wide receiver. So anytime I got I caught my value and I feel like
60:18I already got over on the field, I'm like, do I want to come back and pay the iron price? I don't know if I do.
60:24And then you know, Rashee Rice is the second guy, too. And it's just It's hard with Rashee Rice because nothing has
60:29changed really for the from him from an infrastructure stance outside of Kenneth Walker being added to the offense. And it's like
60:35if they want to keep having to run this offense through Rashee Rice at this low A dot like Deebo Samuel-esque player, it
60:40still exists in the range of outcomes because they haven't really added any wide receivers to command targets. But I have a hard time believing that an
60:47offense is just going to continue to do things that aren't working for the offense. Just because, you know what I mean? And that's where we've been with
60:54Rashee Rice. Like this the Chiefs offense has failed the past 3 years. You know, Patrick Mahomes got over in fantasy football because he ran a lot
61:02last year, but we're not going to be able to count on that. He's been below league average rates in terms of
61:07completion rate, yards per pass attempt, and touchdown rate each of the past three seasons. So are the When does Andy Reid, who I believe is an extremely
61:15smart NFL coach still, look in the mirror and say, "Hey, like this really isn't adding a lot to our offense.
61:20Either Rashee Rice has to be deployed in a different manner or we're going to try some other things.
61:26Um and then that doesn't even factor in like the off-the-field stuff with with Rashee Rice cuz which feels like always just like a hanging knife over your
61:32head. Uh an axe ready to drop at this point.
61:35>> Oh yeah. You ne- you're never uh you're never resting safely with Rashee Rice under dynasty rosters. That's for sure.
61:41I'd also just very simply it feels like a Kenneth Walker offense. I think that's what they're going into. I think you're
61:46going to see a ton of Walker. Um I think that Bieniemy is a pass-happy enough uh offensive play-caller that maybe Rice could pay off, but it's almost a
61:56purgatory pick at best in his range and a lot of great wide receiver options around him. So, I think if you're
62:01wanting to attack Kansas City early on in drafts, I think Kenneth Walker is a better click right now than Rashee Rice
62:08and you sort of have nothing to worry about with Walker. As long as Walker stays healthy, he's going to get a ton
62:12of touches. Probably sets career highs in everything. So, this was just awesome today. If you want Rich's thoughts on quarterbacks, he recorded with Ian
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