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9 Fantasy Football HOT Takes That Will SHOCK You! (Jacob Gibbs)

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Jul 29, 2026
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Ja'Marr ChaseRhamondre StevensonAlec PierceBijan RobinsonBucky IrvingChase BrownChris GodwinChris OlaveDaniel JonesDrake LondonEmeka EgbukaJahmyr GibbsJalen McMillanJosh Downs
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Alec Pierce

NegativeRole32:01

Elite deep threat who has led the NFL in yards per reception in back-to-back seasons; stylistically helps the Colts offense. However, source cautions that Pierce's contract extension does not guarantee 30+ additional targets. Until Pierce is healthy, Downs has opportunity to gain early target share advantage. Pierce's role is more limited than beat reporter speculation suggested.

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Bijan Robinson

PositiveRole4:51

Bijan Robinson tied Christian McCaffrey for second-most fantasy points scored as the pre-snap motion man last year, behind only Travis Etienne, signaling that Falcons coordinator Liam Cohen heavily utilizes him in motion—particularly in the red zone. Among running backs with 400+ routes run over the past two years, only Jahmyr Gibbs, Bucky Irving, and Christian McCaffrey have a higher yards-per-route-run rate than Robinson. This elite receiving skill set is sometimes overlooked but represents a significant part of his fantasy profile and offensive role. Robinson is ranked as RB2 at 102nd overall in PPR, just behind Jahmyr Gibbs (101st); the source acknowledges this is a polarizing ranking choice, with many respected analysts splitting Gibbs and Robinson as RB1/RB2 in either order, indicating tight consensus on their relative value.

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Bucky Irving

NegativeValue1:55

Bucky Irving has fallen dramatically in ADP from RB1 territory last year to RB26, creating significant league-winning value. Despite 2024 setbacks—offensive line collapse, quarterback injury, and personal health issues that caused yards-after-contact regression from historically elite to last among RBs—his skill set remains elite. With Tampa Bay's offensive line ranked third in 2026 outlook by Brandon Thorn (ETR), improved health, and new offensive coordinator Zach Robinson specifically mentioning unlocking Irving as a receiver similar to Bijan Robinson, the source sees Irving as "basically a two-good-to-fail type of player" if healthy. Irving averaged over 20 touches per game last year and is one of only five RBs to average 20+ touches while playing 10+ games, reflecting hyper-focused play design. At RB26 price, finishing as RB14–15 would be a significant win; beating that floor creates potential league-winning upside. The source initially worried about Kenneth Gainwell's training camp performance and red zone role allocation, citing the Bijan Robinson precedent, but later reconsidered, arguing the fantasy community overthinks Irving's situation given the unpredictability of offensive environments.

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Chase Brown

NegativeRole10:10

Brown lacks a third-down role in Cincinnati due to pass-protection concerns and lost reps to Samaje Perine at season's end. He gets targets on first and second down and is an important part of the offense, but did not average 20+ touches per game; his touch equity is lower than elite backs like Bucky Irving despite playing in a strong offensive system. His status as Cincinnati's third-best offensive player (behind Ja'Marr Chase and Joe Burrow) constrains his upside.

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Chris Godwin

PositiveBust24:24

Major injury history creates skepticism about 2024 upside despite familiarity with Baker Mayfield. The source views expectations for Godwin to replicate his performance from two years ago as wishful thinking, noting he has had major injuries in his recent history. This uncertainty about his role and target share in Tampa Bay's receiving room does not position him as a realistic barrier to other receivers' success.

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Chris Olave

NegativeValue24:10

Chris Olave is viewed as a really strong player with the appeal of previous season success and safety. However, in an FFPC main event draft, the source took Emeka Egbuka ahead of Olave in the third round, viewing Egbuka as an upside swing compared to Olave's more established, conservative profile.

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Daniel Jones

PositiveInjury36:24

Recovering from a torn Achilles on his plant foot, which may necessitate a quick-release, short-target heavy offense. This injury context could make quick targets a huge part of the Colts offense, particularly if the offensive line is not as strong as in previous years. However, if Daniel Jones plays poorly, the entire Colts offense and all pass catchers could be dragged down.

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Drake London

NegativeProjection17:20

The source projects Emeka Egbuka will outscore Drake London. London was used more down the field compared to Egbuka's dual-role potential in Kansas City's pre-snap motion scheme. While London had a ton of deep targets and matched Kyle Pitts in production, the source favors Egbuka's inside-out versatility.

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Emeka Egbuka

PositiveBreakout17:20

Egbuka is a really good player on a really good team (Kansas City) that uses pre-snap motion heavily, which boosts fantasy efficiency. As a rookie, he had 20 receptions of 20+ yards, tying him with Amon-Ra St. Brown for WR5 in that category, demonstrating explosive play creation ability; only two of those 20+ yard receptions were broken plays, showing consistency rather than luck. Baker Mayfield was willing to trust him down the field and Egbuka came down those plays consistently. He's one of nine rookies since 2000 with 20+ receptions of 20+ yards, has fantastic hands, and can excel both over the middle and down the field. Ranked in the top 10 in yards after catch per reception on middle-of-the-field targets among qualified players last year, just below Ja'Marr Chase and Justin Jefferson. The source took him in the third round of an FFPC main event ahead of Chris Olave, projecting a wide receiver six finish and 17.5 points per game.

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Ja'Marr Chase

PositiveProjection12:42

The source makes a bold prediction that Chase will set the NFL record with 210 targets this season and become the third-most receptions in NFL history with north of 140 receptions, having his best season ever as a pro. Chase is ranked as a clear WR1 overall. He had 185 targets last year (10th most in NFL history) and 175 the year before, with target-per-route-run rates of 22% as a rookie, then 26%, 24%, 25%, and 29.5% last year, showing consistent upward trajectory. His slot rate and pre-snap motion rate continue to increase, and he achieved a 30% target share last year despite QB instability (three starting QBs). At age 26, he's entering his prime (typically 26-29 for WRs), and the offense is now fully oriented around him.

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PositiveProjection16:57

Despite playing with three starting quarterbacks (Browning, Flacco, Burrow) and producing an incredible stat line, the source believes Chase will finally get it this year and thinks he's a great pick at ADP 103, potentially the best win rate guy in that range. The source projects Chase could finish as WR1 by a clear margin even with elite RBs like Jahmyr Gibbs and Bijan Robinson crushing it.

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Jahmyr Gibbs

PositiveProjection12:12

The source ranks Gibbs as 101st overall in PPR, ahead of Bijan Robinson at 102nd. The source notes this is a polarizing ranking choice among smart analysts, many of whom have either Gibbs or Robinson at RB1 with the other at RB2, reflecting close elite-tier consensus on their relative value.

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Jalen McMillan

NegativeRole23:58

Positioned as a downfield field-stretching type in Tampa Bay's receiving room with a projected 15–18% target share. The source notes significant target ambiguity in the Buccaneers' offense given Chris Godwin's uncertain status and injury history, leaving substantial volume available for other receivers. McMillan will attract bullish sentiment alongside pass-catchers like Ted Hurst and Tez Johnson.

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Josh Downs

NegativeProjection32:00

Projected as set-it-and-forget-it WR2 in top 20 for PPR formats, currently WR43 on Underdog and "really really slept on" due to small stature and injury-plagued 2024 season. Elite ability to beat all coverage types (man, zone, press) with potential 25–30% target share. Excels off-line of scrimmage against press coverage; Shane Steichen's scheme uses condensed formations and pre-snap motion to isolate playmakers. Both Downs and Michael Pittman ranked top 15 in fantasy points scored on pre-snap motion among receivers last year, a usage pattern expected to transfer to Downs. Expected to be weaponized in red zone through quick targets and route-shaking ability at line of scrimmage, particularly relevant given Daniel Jones' torn Achilles recovery. Significant draft value opportunity due to injury discount—if Downs entered this year's opportunity without recent injury history, he would be drafted around round 6, but can be acquired much cheaper this year despite same elite skill set and opportunity. Health is primary concern and biggest downside risk; has not been able to get through an offseason healthy for two straight years.

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Justin Jefferson

PositiveProjection15:50

The source is betting on a big bounce-back season for Jefferson, noting that because he was so good early in his career, people forget how young he is. He's entering his prime (typically 26-29 for WRs), and the source expects significant improvement in 2025.

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Kenneth Gainwell

NegativeRole6:08

Kenneth Gainwell is a capable receiving back whose presence lowers Bucky Irving's ceiling case in Tampa Bay. The source is bullish on Gainwell's role and receiving upside, suggesting his presence limits Irving's pass-catching volume and overall fantasy ceiling. Gainwell's training camp performance could significantly impact Irving's ADP and role allocation.

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Michael Pittman

NegativeUsage33:27

Ranked top 15 in fantasy points scored on pre-snap motion among receivers last year, alongside Josh Downs. Despite being perceived as a traditional outside receiver due to his size, Pittman was actually used extensively in pre-snap motion schemes by the Colts, a usage pattern expected to continue under Shane Steichen's system.

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Puka Nacua

PositiveValue14:15

The source describes Nacua as a very intriguing WR option and notes he is drafting some Nacua, positioning him as a secondary target in the WR conversation.

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Rhamondre Stevenson

NegativeBust27:30

Projected as the actual bust at RB29 ADP, in contrast to TreVeyon Henderson's breakout potential. Faces regression risk, injury risk, and fumble concerns that could open backfield opportunity for Henderson.

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PositiveValue30:00

Potential RB2/RB3 value in New England backfield; may continue to fall in ADP as more people make the case for him. Discount opportunity late in draft; could be a key player needed at end of season if acquired at right price.

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RJ Harvey

PositiveSleeper29:00

Year-one running back with metric concerns and vision questions that may be overblown. Limited offseason after playoff run and draft process creates discount opportunity if you have conviction on talent. Wait-and-see approach justified given year-one uncertainty.

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Tevin Coleman

PositiveSleeper3:35

Pat Kerrane identified Tevin Coleman as a league-winning pick with significant upside potential in 2026, a stance that contrasts with the fantasy community's tendency to box players into predetermined roles and expectations. Jacob Gibbs notes that Coleman is not typically viewed as having this level of upside, but the unpredictability of offensive environments and the chaotic nature of football create opportunity for emergence.

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TreVeyon Henderson

PositiveValue26:00

Year-two RB with elite explosive profile and rare efficiency-plus-big-play combination. As a rookie: 5.1 yards per carry, 35 catches, 911 rushing yards, 10 total TDs, four 50-yard TD runs (second-most in NFL history), and 10th-highest fantasy points per touch despite finishing RB22 in PPG. Source projects RB12 finish (low-end RB1/fringe RB1) due to Patriots' AJ Brown trade reducing stacked boxes and Romeo Doubs/Eli Reridon additions. Positioned as dead-zone hero outscoring all fifth-round RBs with strong second-half upside and DFS ceiling. At round 4–6 ADP, he was a bellcow at Ohio State as a freshman, outworking Quichon Jenkins; rookie work loss is overstated given large college production sample and limited offseason after playoff run.

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Tyler Allgeier

PositiveRole2:45

Tyler Allgeier has received red zone work in Atlanta's backfield under new offensive coordinator Zack Robinson, even when Bijan Robinson has been the more efficient runner from inside the 5-yard line. This suggests Allgeier has secured goal-line and short-yardage opportunities despite Robinson being the league's top running back in success rate on runs from inside the 5-yard line.

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Tyler Warren

PositiveRole32:32

Part of consolidated target tree with Josh Downs; source projects both will be "printing" in terms of predictability and target consistency when Alec Pierce is healthy. Warren benefits from Pierce's elite deep-threat role opening up underneath targets. Competing with Downs for potential target leadership of the Colts offense.

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Tyquan Thornton

PositiveValue31:00

Buy-low trade candidate after week 2. Patriots face Seattle (road) week 1 and Pittsburgh (nasty matchup) week 2; if Thornton scores ~9 points through those two weeks, can acquire him cheaply. Ramondre Stevenson likely 70% snap share for pass protection, limiting Thornton early-season volume.

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Zay Flowers

NegativeBreakout1:19

Jacob Gibbs predicts Zay Flowers will pull a Chris Olave-style breakout in 2026. Flowers was fifth in the NFL with 29% target share last year (up from 25.4% three years prior) and is projected to set a Ravens franchise record with 110 catches, breaking Mark Andrews' 107 in 2021. With Declan Doyle joining the offense to create more balance, Flowers doesn't need a pass-happy revolution—just to avoid dead-last pass attempts. The source identifies a significant TD regression opportunity: despite elite route-running and athleticism, Flowers was rarely targeted in the end zone. The source concludes: "Flowers could end up having a smash season here."

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0:05>> Dropping hot takes for the 2026 fantasy football season, Theo Greminger joined today by my first ever repeat guest at RotoWire, Jacob Gibbs.
0:16Jacob, you crushed it the first time you were on the show. I had a chance to go on your show, and we said we had to run
0:21it back, but I said, "The people want some hot takes. They want some bold predictions. They want Jacob to come out
0:27here, cut loose." I mean, these are kind of my guys. This is flag plants. We're doing it all today. But, you're going to
0:33set the fantasy world on fire of the the the the stuff you got planned for today's show. Let me else know like sort
0:39of how this came to be and what else you're doing this time of year.
0:44>> Hey Theo, yeah, great to be back. You are absolutely crushing it over here.
0:47It's been really fun.
0:49There's so much content that I'm I've got it like backlogged. Like, it's been hard for me to even keep up with it cuz
0:53I'm of course pumping out a lot of content at Beyond the Box Score, too. So, we just launched a new YouTube channel. You can go check
1:00us out as Fantasy Football Today Beyond the Box Score. We had Theo on. Theo's going to be on again in August. It's
1:06almost August. I can feel it for sure.
1:08Like, it's hot take season.
1:09And I'm coming on today with kind of I guess we could call them like hipster hot takes a little bit. We're going to
1:15get into some players that basically I I feel like I want to talk to you about.
1:19Like, I could we could go on and on about like Zay Flowers. I think Zay Flowers pulls a Chris Olave this year. I saw you maybe
1:26is one of your players today. So, I can uh you might like it. You might like it a lot.
1:30>> Sort of Chris Olave. We got to workshop the the hipster takes though. We got to find a better word for that.
1:36Jacob's got You've got great takes here.
1:37And I like that you're doing it today because, you know, we're not just I mean, I have one of the best players in
1:42in fantasy football doing something amazing as one of my takes, but a lot of your players you you're taking like the
1:48polarizing players. And you're taking strong stances on the polarizing players. Um and I think that's really interesting. And I I know one guy that
1:55we had a chance to talk about on your show that you wanted to lead off things with was Bucky Irving who's fallen like
2:02sort of a rock here going somewhere off the board at like running back 24, running back 25. But like the pendulum
2:09keeps swinging between him being a high-end RB3, low-end RB2. And I feel like it's like a like a a very precarious situation. All it
2:17takes is like a couple of strong Kenneth Gainwell moments in training camp and we could see Bucky here like running back
2:2328. We could also see something else and Bucky Irving could move up a little bit.
2:28Where are you at? What is your hot take on Bucky Irving for this fantasy football season?
2:35>> So Theo came on Build the Box Score and we did a league winning running backs um show and Dan Schneier my podcast
2:40partner brought up Bucky as one of his league winning picks and that surprised me.
2:44Um I think he's a he's a he's a player that we're kind of overthinking in the fantasy sphere where we spend a lot of
2:49time, you know, this off season thinking about these players, thinking ourselves in circles. And so I I'm I fell victim to that as well. And with Bucky I had
2:58come kind of come to the conclusion where if the roles are going to be compartmentalized in this backfield and he's potentially going to lose out
3:04on red zone work and we've seen that from Zack Robinson as new offensive coordinator in Atlanta where Bijan Robinson who's been literally running
3:12back one in success rate on runs from inside of the 5-yard line not get that work sometimes. Give that work to Tyler Allgeier and that would be
3:19extremely frustrating. And so I'm like I don't want that again with a worse player. I love Bucky to death but he's
3:25not Bijan, you know. And so I I mean like how does he have upside, you know?
3:28Like if he's going to lose that, if he might lose passing down work to Kenneth Gainwell, like what's the upside really?
3:35And I think that that really is kind of overthinking it. Um I just had Pat Kerrane on and really what got me
3:40interested in having a conversation with Pat, I had him and Rich Reubar on together, two fantastic guests here on RotoWire, is your show with Pat. He
3:48brought up some players that were kind of um outside of the box upside picks.
3:53Um he brought up Tevin Coleman and McMillan as a league-winning pick. I don't think people think of Tevin Coleman and McMillan as somebody who has
3:59that kind of upside in 2026 because we put these players in boxes and we think we know who they are, what will
4:06happen, what the offensive environment's going to be, but in reality we don't, right? Football's extremely chaotic.
4:11It's only 16-17 games that matter for us in fantasy football, and anything can happen in those games. Anything can happen to the offensive environment as
4:18we just saw with Bucky Irving. His entire offensive line fell apart. His quarterback got hurt. He had his own health-related issues, and he went from
4:25literally like very top of the league, like historically good at yards after contact created, to last among all running backs in yards after contact
4:32created. That's unpredictable, you know?
4:34We just don't know how these things are going to go, and so I don't think it makes sense to assume that we do. And I
4:39think that when it comes to Bucky's ADP and even Team Mac who's falling a little bit, I think people have this idea of
4:45who the player is, and I really just don't think we should put Bucky in a box. Um so where I've gotten him,
4:51why I'm I'm coming around on the upside case and where I think about this, um Bijan Robinson, I've been digging into motion data. Um so motion is of
4:59course important um for real-life football. It's just really swept the league, and then has trickle-down effects to fantasy, right? Heath talks
5:06about it a lot and has done a lot of good research over there. Um you can filter out and look at uh pre-snap
5:11motion, motion at the snap, all that stuff on Fantasy Points Data. It's definitely important thing to be aware of right now. I've been looking at
5:16specifically when players have been used in motion, how that's affected them for fantasy, which coordinators are using players in motion to free up other players or just
5:26get tells on what the defense might be doing, and then which coordinators are using players in motion to get them the ball. And Bijan last
5:34year tied CMC for the second most fantasy points scored as the pre-snap motion man, behind only Travis Etienne, which again is like clear signal like
5:42that's Liam Cohen, you know? That's very much what he likes to do is in the red zone, get his running back involved in
5:46that way. Um, so out of the running back position, Etienne was first in fantasy points scored as the pre-snap motion man, followed closely by Bijan and CMC.
5:55And I think that we're going to see Bucky unlocked in that way. That was one of the things when Zach Robinson was
5:59hired, one of the initial quotes that he had, he talked about Baker a lot, he talked about using Ameca Egbuka in
6:04different ways, and he talked about Bucky and his ability to be unlocked kind of like Bijan, I think, as a receiver. Um, and so I'm really excited
6:12to see that because if, you know, look at the past 2 years while Bucky's been on the league, only Jahmyr Gibbs, Bucky
6:16Irving, and Christian McCaffrey, among running backs with 400 or more routes run, have a higher yard per out run rate than Bijan Robinson does. I think that's
6:24a huge part of his skill set that does go a little bit overlooked.
6:28And to me, it's like yes, Kenneth Gainwell is good at that, you know, he's a good receiving back, but if Bucky Irving is healthy, I think
6:35he's basically a two-good-to-fail type of player. Um, where we did kind of see it last year, but I don't think he
6:41was healthy. And so, if the offense is rolling, I don't think it matters that much what his role is within it. I think
6:48he's too good to take off of the field consistently, and I think he's going to get a lot of, you know, receptions, a
6:54lot of efficient yardage created at the running back, like the the run scheme there, too. Um, I I thought it was
7:01really noteworthy that Brandon Thorn from ETR established a run, he ranked Tampa Bay third looking forward to 2026 in terms of offensive line play.
7:09And that was just not where they were at all last year. That offensive line was decimated by injuries. And so, I think
7:15there's so many reasons anecdotally to believe that Tampa Bay is going to be a lot better, and Bucky's just potentially a really special player within that. We
7:22we've seen that in his rookie season, and then his collegiate data painted his profile as something similar to that, too, in terms of yards after
7:28contact created. So, to see it translate right away, I think is meaningful, and I just want to take shots on that,
7:33especially when he's so cheap.
7:35>> It's a really interesting take, and I think it's interesting to hear you and Pat sort of make this bull case for
7:40Bucky. And you're looking at like where you have to draft him where it's decisions between like Bucky Irving versus guys like Gidarian Price versus
7:50guys like Jaylen Warren. Whereas last year we were having to take Bucky Irving as like a running back one. So it's a
7:57little bit of a post type sleeper here.
7:58I've made several like bearish calls on Bucky Irving in like the early off season but it we were having to make
8:05that call when he was like 20 spots more expensive. Now it's sort of fallen and maybe it's an over correction. I'm a big
8:13Kenneth Gainwell guy. I sort of have made the case that I think Kenneth Gainwell's receiving upside sort of lowers the ceiling case for Bucky. But
8:22if you're right and it's just the efficiency as a runner, potential touchdown equity and you're also still bullish on him catching a bunch of passes
8:31he's efficient enough to really overcome things and the the bar for him to make like a big impact for our fantasy teams
8:40is super low. I mean if he finishes as the running back 14 or 15 at a running back 26 price tag, I mean that's a
8:47significant win for us and if he beats it even a little bit more then you're talking about a potential league winning
8:52value. So I think I want to be more open-minded when I hear you and Pat sort of lay these things out.
8:59Bucky really really interesting.
9:01Anything to kind of I'll add the like the Vita Vea thing. Like when we talk about the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, they
9:08already have like a really ridiculous front seven but you've you've made the point about them being sort of a a pass
9:13funnel where if they lose Vita Vea now, they could be even more of a pass funnel defense with with teams look really looking to pass the
9:23ball on them.
9:25The front seven could take a little bit of a hit there without like the huge huge defensive tackle. Uh the offensive line is fantastic. It just
9:34feels like a like a good offense right now, Jacob.
9:36>> Yeah, there's two defenses that I'm really curious about right now and I've I've been kind of like formulating some of these hot takes. I almost brought up
9:43Kyler Murray and Justin Jefferson. It's It's Tampa Bay and Minnesota and I of the two I I have more respect for
9:48Brian Flores and like would be more surprised if he fell off in a big way, but both these defenses is like they
9:53really like to blitz, be super blitz heavy, but I think their secondaries are a little bit suspect looking at 2026.
9:59And so what happens if it's like you love to blitz, but you can't cover behind the blitz? All of a sudden you
10:04might get into a lot of these shootouts.
10:06And so I think the Tampa Bay guys are really intriguing for sure. Um and that's that's kind of where I am
10:11with Bucky. I want to I want to throw this comparison to you and see how it feels. What do you think about just
10:16comparing Bucky to Chase Brown? Um where it's like Chase Brown doesn't have like the third down role necessarily because they don't trust him to pass protect. He
10:24lost out on reps to Samaje Perine at the end of the year and basically any time Perine's been healthy, that's kind of
10:28how it's been. But he gets the targets on first and second down. He's a really important part of the offense there. Um
10:34do you think that makes sense? That kind of sticks where it's like he's in such a good offense and if Tampa Bay's
10:39offensive line plays better, if the defense is bad and they get a bunch of shootouts, it could be kind of similar
10:43to what we've seen from Brown in Cincinnati.
10:45>> I think it's an interesting one. I would say that I would just make a very simplistic argument that the the threat
10:51of the running back two in Cincinnati is to me kind of non-existent when we're >> Yeah.
10:56>> when we're like arguing Tash Brooks uh and Samaje Perine versus Kenneth Gainwell and even to that matter you know, Sean Tucker I think we
11:06we could say is a would be a an upgraded running back two for Cincinnati. But then on the flip side, you know, you've
11:12got in terms of like teammate touch equity and and play design Ja'Marr Chase is exceeding even what I I mean, if we're I'm a I'm a a rookie
11:21bull, but Ja'Marr Chase I mean, I think it's it's a whole different level of player. So it's a really interesting one. I think it's just more of a
11:28open-mindedness for me after hearing you and Pat both on the Bucky Irving thing.
11:33Um and that's why I love talking to really sharp guys like yourself on this show.
11:37>> Bucky averaged over 20 touches per game last year. He's one of five running backs to average over 20 touches per
11:42game and played 10 or more games. He barely had those thresholds, but still Chase Brown didn't hit that. And I think
11:47that that's relevant is like playing time is great, but if they're like hyper focused on getting in the ball when he's
11:52on the field because he's one of the best players, which I think he is, whereas like you look at Cincinnati and
11:56he's like Chase Brown's good, but he's clearly their third best player on offense. Whereas Bucky, I mean, if Bucky's what we saw as a rookie, he
12:03might just be their best player on offense. I don't know. And so that's that's where I'm at with him is it's I
12:07think just within this offense if this is as good as it could be, Bucky could be really important part even if we
12:12don't know exactly how that looks.
12:14>> So you go with Bucky Irving, which is a polarizing player. I'm going to go with the player that everyone loves, but I
12:20don't think they love him enough. And I feel like I'm a little bit of a coward here for doing what everybody else is
12:26doing. And and I love Jahmyr Gibbs. He's my 101. Bijan's my 102 in PPR. And I think a lot of very smart people, like I
12:34know Scott Barrett and and I'm assuming probably yourself, Jacob, and a bunch of other guys I respect have either Bijan at the one or Jahmyr Gibbs at the one,
12:42and then the other one's at the two. But I feel like I'm a little bit of a coward here cuz I'm so bullish on Ja'Marr
12:46Chase, and I might move him into the top two, be a little bit different here.
12:52Ja'Marr Chase is one of the biggest target earners we've ever seen in NFL history.
12:56And I think it gets sort of underrated how good he is as a target earner. Last year he had the 10th most targets in NFL
13:02history with 185. The year before he was, I believe, 175.
13:07And I think it doesn't stop.
13:09I I made this this I made this prediction on a show with Garrett Price, a dynasty show I did last week, but I'm going to double down on
13:16it. Ja'Marr Chase sets the NFL record for the most targets in a season this year. Runs incredibly pure. We've had three guys have over 200 targets in NFL
13:25history, the last one being Julio Jones in 2015.
13:29Uh We also saw of course you know, we've got guys like we got to go back to like Marvin Harrison to go for like the the
13:37record in 2002. But really it's a of course Calvin Johnson also got there.
13:44But with Jamar Chase I think that the the sky is the limit this year for him.
13:48And could we end up seeing a 2021 Excuse me, was a Cooper a peak Cooper like season where he just goes nuts and
13:58Jamar Chase is like the win rate guy for everyone. I think he sets the NFL record with 210 targets this year. And I think
14:05he becomes the third most receptions in NFL history, gets north of 140 receptions as well. I think we're back to clear wide receiver one overall. I
14:15think we're maybe overthinking things a little bit. I get it. Puka Nacua is a is a very intriguing player right next to
14:21him and I'm drafting some Puka Nacua.
14:24Jackson Smith-Njigba, I've made arguments that I think he's kind of too big to fail, but we do have question marks about the the play caller
14:33and potential regression there in terms of a few metrics. But with Jamar Chase I don't have any question marks. It's a
14:39full on healthy Joe Burrow season.
14:41Cincinnati I think just goes nuts as an offense and I think Jamar Chase has his best season ever as a pro even better
14:48than he had in 2024 when he set the fantasy world on fire. 210 targets that's a big takeaway though. NFL record
14:55is set in 2026.
14:58>> I love it man. I just realized that I didn't actually like make a hot take. I was just like Bucky's awesome. So it's
15:04you We're yeah.
15:08Stick into it. I'm going to say Bucky returns to the round one two conversation next year for next year drafts and that's where it was last
15:15year. I think that's important when that happens with a player where it's like last year this guy was so good in
15:20basically the same circumstances where Rashad White was there as a clear passing downs back and we were drafting him near round one and like now he's
15:27like round five, you know. Um I love the Jamar take. He it just I'm going to quickly give his target per route run
15:32rates by year. It's 22% as a rookie then 26%, 24%, 25%. Last year it's 29 and a half percent. And I think that's really
15:41important because of the usage. Like it's not a random one-year spike. Like his slot rate continues to go up, his pre-snap motion rate continues to go up.
15:50I think we're seeing this with like him and Justin Jefferson and some of these players is like because they were so
15:56good early on, we were kind of forget how young they are and it's like this dude is literally just now entering his
16:02prime. Jamar Chase is the NFL wide receiver primes typically come like age 27 to 29, 26 to 29. He's going to be 26
16:10this season, you know, like he's just now getting to the point where he can have add all this variety to his
16:16route tree, the offense knows how to use him in all these different ways and orient everything around him. And yeah, I think it just because Joe Burrow
16:23wasn't there, we kind of overlooked the fact that he had a freaking 30% target share last year. If you give a player
16:29this good, this type of efficiency, this ability to create massive plays on any given play like a 30% target share, it's
16:36yeah, sky is the limit.
16:37>> Yeah, and he did did it last year with three starting quarterbacks and I think, you know, when we look at I and Justin
16:42Jefferson, I'm betting on a big bounce back season for him this year, but we make excuses maybe not the right word. It is
16:49excuses. We'll say, you know, the quarterback situation for Jefferson was just terrible last year. Um and I think Joe Flacco was was better than what we
16:57saw with Jefferson, but it's still this revolving door for Jamar Chase and he still walks away with this incredible stat line with Browning, Flacco, Burrow.
17:08This year I just think he gets it. I think it's going to be a great pick. If you're able to get him at the 103, that
17:13could be like the best win rate guy even with Jamaal Gibbs just crushing it, Bijan Robinson just crushing it. I think
17:20Jamarr Chase could finish as the wide receiver one by a clear margin. Um, you've got a Emeka Egbuka take. I'm I've
17:27done it for, you know, about 25 shows now, so I'm just going to sit back uh and let Jacob cook on this one.
17:34>> Yeah, take the burden off you. Let somebody else talk about Egbuka. I'm going to say Emeka Egbuka outscores Drake London, um which I know is another
17:40player you like. Um, and I think there's obvious parallels here with the play-caller, London's previous play-caller coming over here to Tampa
17:46Bay.
17:47Um, so I want to again focus on the motion stuff. Brock Bowers is the only tight end who has more fantasy points
17:52scored as a pre-snap motion man than Kyle Pitts over the past two seasons, so that's been super important for Pitts.
17:59Um, Zach Robinson is number one in motion at the snap, motion at the snap of the football last year in terms of
18:04the rate of plays and dropbacks that used it. And that's super super important. If you want to check out the episode I did with Ryan Heath, it's
18:10called Secret to Winning Fantasy Football. Draft good players from good teams. I think that's pretty simply what we have here. Emeka Egbuka is
18:17potentially a really good player on a really good team that uses all of this stuff that we like, that boosts fantasy football
18:25efficiency. Um, so I brought up Bower or Pitts first. I I'm curious who gets that work.
18:31I think it it's possible that either Chris Godwin or even Cade Otton if Godwin is not that guy anymore, um gets some of that short target stuff
18:41that went to Pitts. So, his average depth of target on these pre-snap motion um plays was about 6 yards, whereas Drake London was used more down the
18:48field and also had a ton of these, um and pretty much matched Pitts in terms of this production. So, you've got like
18:54two players really funneled targets through, and then Bijan got some of them as well. Um, I'm as we look at Tampa
19:00Bay, I think it's probably going to be Bucky Egbuka getting maybe kind of both of those roles a little bit where he
19:06gets some of the short stuff. Um, we've seen him be good with that at Ohio State, and then some of the deeper
19:11stuff, too. And then maybe it's Godwin getting a lot of that short stuff too.
19:14I'm not exactly sure what to expect there, but I do feel really good about Abuka. Um and he's a really interesting one. I did
19:21about a 20 or 30 minute episode on just the Mecca Abuka if you want to find that on Beyond the Box Score um where Dan
19:27Schneier and I watched a lot of film. We watched a lot of his film in college too. Um and we're thinking about him and
19:32it's just it's interesting because what we saw from him as a rookie, the ways that we saw him succeed were basically the answers to the
19:38questions that we had about his collegiate profile. And so we knew coming in I've got all the data on this YouTube
19:46video here on Beyond the Box Score if you want to check it out and and think through it all for yourself like we knew
19:51coming in that he could be really good over the middle. Like really, really good. If you look at his his stats over
19:54the middle, it's some of the best among recent college prospects. What we didn't really know is like does he have the
20:00athleticism to do more than that down the field? Can he be an explosive play creator? Can he be a wide receiver one
20:06who wins all over the place? Um and that's really like that's kind of what's in vogue right now in the NFL and for
20:12fantasy football is like these players who can win inside out. Um we just saw with JSN where it's like we know they
20:18can be freaking dominant in the slot, but then if they can also expand that and and you know, get in situations
20:25where their offense can facilitate, you know, mismatches to get them down the field and get, you know, big explosive plays, that's when
20:31they can just go nuts. And I think Abuka Abuka proved that he could do that last year. Um he created a bunch of explosive
20:39plays. He had freaking 20 receptions of more than 20 yards, which tied him with Amon-Ra St. Brown as wide receiver five
20:46last year. Even in that dysfunctional Tampa Bay offense, he was wide receiver five in the gains of 20 or more yards. I
20:51went back and watched all those. Only two of those were like broken plays from the defense. I think a lot of people
20:56thought what was happening early in the year was kind of lucky. Um I think a lot of it was just Baker was willing to
21:01trust him down the field and Abuka was coming down those plays consistently because he's really good. He has fantastic hands.
21:07Um he's one of nine rookies dating back to 2000 to have at least 20 of those receptions of 20 or more yards. Um, and
21:14the the list of those players are are pretty much all freaking fantasy superstars. It's Puka Nacua, Justin Jefferson, Ja'Marr Chase, Deebo Samuel,
21:21Saquon Barkley, Anquan Boldin, Mike Evans, A.J. Green, and Emeka. Like, who's the worst player on that? Deebo?
21:27Emeka? Like, that feels really good. And that's the question that I had is like, can he do that? Can he give us explosive
21:33plays? Because we know he can win on the short intermediate stuff over the middle. And so, I've got some stats on that that I think are
21:39really interesting, too.
21:41I looked at yards after the catch per reception, specifically on over the middle field targets last year, because I think that's really important. That's
21:49the way to to beat modern defense right now. They're They're kind of giving you that space in the middle of the field.
21:55And if you look at the leaders, the top 10 in yards after catch per reception on middle of the field catches among
22:01qualified players, it's like the best players in the freaking league, dude.
22:05It's Jaxon Smith-Njigba at 10. I'm going up from 10 to 1. JSN, Harold Carmichael Jr., and then you find Emeka Egbuka just
22:12below Ja'Marr Chase, Justin Jefferson, Jameson Williams, Sun God, Tutu Atwell, third I think is awesome, um, Puka Nacua and Nico Collins. As you got three
22:22rookies there, I think that really stands out. Like, this is where defenses are are giving you space, and Emeka was really, really good there, which is what
22:30we saw in college, too. I think there's a reason he went around one is because that's good. That's important right now
22:35for modern offense.
22:38It didn't really translate a lot, though. He actually didn't score a lot of points over the middle of the field, which is weird. And so, when I saw him
22:45show up top 10 in yards after the catch per reception on middle of the field targets, I dug into it a little bit
22:48more.
22:50As a rookie, Emeka Egbuka had a 58% catchable target rate on these middle of the field throws. The next lowest among
22:56qualified players was 72%. So, it's like by far the worst rate. And I think so much of that has to do with
23:03the randomness of all of the injuries last year in Tampa Bay. Baker Mayfield, if you watch Quarterback series on Netflix, was playing through like a
23:10litany of injuries, and all of his offensive line were hurt, too. Like his center was playing a left tackle. It was
23:16just a mess. And so, like, I think so much of that, that 58% uncatchable or catchable target rate over the middle of
23:22the field is just kind of random, and that really matters. That because that's where Abuka's at his best. And so, if
23:27that just returns to like normal, which it always does when you have like a league-low number like this, and he can give you explosive plays, and
23:34the offense potentially is a fantasy print shop, then I think Ime Udoka could get out of control, man. I could easily
23:39be like a top five receiver or something. We've seen Zach Gordin and funnel so much volume to his best players. And Drake London like is this
23:48kind of player who can win inside out.
23:49We've seen him push his target share up to 28, 30%. As I look around in Tampa Bay, it's like there's a lot of target
23:55ambiguity here. We don't know exactly where Chris Godwin's at in his career.
23:58Jalen McMillan, I think, is more of like the downfield field-stretching type.
24:01You're probably looking at a 15 to 18% target share there. And so, that leaves a lot of meat on the bone for Abuka. I
24:07think it could just be massive for fantasy.
24:10>> There you go. Nothing else needs to be said. I've I've said 17 and a half points per game. I think I'm one with
24:15you. I'll like a wide receiver six finish feels about right. I took him in the third round of an FFPC main event
24:21the other night.
24:22Um I took him ahead of guys who I like who have like the ap- appeal of previous season success and the like a lure of like the safety
24:32where I took him ahead of Chris Olave, who I think is just another really strong player, but it's an upside swing
24:38with with Abuka. And it's interesting you bring up like the ambiguity of the of the receiving room, where I think a
24:45lot of people are sort of coming around on Chris Godwin right now, but you're talking about a player who's had major
24:49injuries. Then you got guys like Ted Hurst, Tez Johnson, and Jalen McMillan, and I think you're going to find a lot
24:56of bullish people for McMillan, certainly some Ted Hearst enthusiasts, and Tez Johnson had some success last year. You bring up Cade Otton. I mean,
25:04none of these guys are going to be barriers to Ebuka having just a smash, smash season, though. The only player that could be a really like a a
25:13roadblock would be if Godwin exceeds expectations because of his familiarity with Baker. Um, but I'm really not seeing it. I think like looking at for
25:22Godwin to do what he did two years ago is wishful thinking. Um, and I think it's the time for Ebuka. So, there you
25:29go. It's I've said it on a million shows. You can find a million more takes for me from Ebuka. I'm going to try not
25:34to talk about him every single show cuz I'm so enthusiastic about him. One other year two player Okay, so we got a year two player here
25:41that averaged 5.1 yards per carry. He had 35 catches, 911 rushing yards, and 10 total touchdowns. He had four 50-yard touchdown runs,
25:52which is the second most in NFL history, and he did it as a rookie. And he did this in college, too. He was an
25:58explosive play guy in college at the top of the food chain at at a great program.
26:03Um, and averaged the 10th highest fantasy points per touch last year. And everybody's fading him, Jacob. And it's TreVeyon Henderson. And if you got
26:12TreVeyon Henderson out on the old Google machine or wherever you're searching, and you just write TreVeyon Henderson fantasy, you're going to find so many
26:20sites writing this is a bust.
26:23Um, you know, bust, bust, bust, bust, bust, TreVeyon Henderson. Um, you know, it's a lot of smart people out there saying he's going to be a bust this
26:30year.
26:31I again, running back 22 last year in points per game. Um, a great stat. And I And I mentioned this content creator on
26:38several shows cuz I think he's really smart. But Kyle Menton, uh, who I You should follow him on X cuz he drops
26:44really, really good stat-based. I know Jacob follows him. But you should in in the royal sense follow Kyle Menton if If
26:50listening to me. Uh, Kyle did a stat it kind of was a throwaway, didn't get any traction, but it was when AJ Brown got
26:57traded that the New England Patriots faced the third highest percentage of stacked boxes last season. So, teams were stacking the box against New
27:04England last year, and this year they're not going to be able to do it with the AJ Brown addition. Romeo Doubs is going
27:10to help, and even like Eli Reridon stylistically, I think will help there in the two tight end sets with Hunter Henry. Traveon Henderson is sort of like
27:18I'll go like old school here and kind of age myself. It's like the Jurassic Park theory of things in fantasy football. Uh
27:25life finds a way here. And I think when we look back in a couple months, Traveon Henderson at running back 22 is not
27:31going to be the bust. The bust is going to be Rhamondre Stevenson at running back 29. Traveon Henderson is going to
27:36end up being a dead zone hero this year.
27:39He's going to finish as the running back 12 overall. There's a lot of outs here for him to get there. Simply splitting
27:45the backfield with Stevenson and being this incredibly explosive player who's able to house it and be a efficiency demon, that's one out. There's other
27:56outs that Stevenson regresses, gets injured again, uh does have the guy find the fumbles finally catch up with him.
28:03There's so many outs here for Traveon Henderson, but I think year two Traveon Henderson looks a lot better than year one. I think people are being a little
28:10bit fearful.
28:12Um and Traveon Henderson outscoring ends up outscoring every single fifth round running back. Traveon Henderson ends up finishing as a low end RB1/fringe RB1,
28:22uh provides great win rates, and I can see him being an incredibly efficient player over the second half of the season. The beginning of the season, I
28:29think he's fine. He'll be in your flex.
28:31You can even use him as your running back two. Second half of the season, I think a lot of people are going to
28:36capitulate and rank him as a low end RB1 in their weekly rankings. Also, at DFS guy, Jacob, I mean, you could see
28:42Traveon Henderson having a couple of huge weeks like he did last year. So, I'm on Traveon Henderson. I think people are overthinking this talent profile and
28:50the explosiveness and just the rare combination of big play home run hitting ability and he's in a great offense now with all these additions.
29:00>> I think that's really interesting.
29:02Um on the episode I did with Reeb on Beyond the Box Score, him and Pat, uh Reeb brought up some players that he was
29:07like afraid to fade. And most of them are like players at the top of the position, like Josh Allen, Brock Bowers,
29:13Amari Hampton, where it's like you got to really pay a price tag for them, you know, we know what the upside is, which
29:17is why they're going so early.
29:19TreVeyon was the one who he brought up, which clearly stands out relative to those guys, I think, cuz he goes in
29:23round four, five, six, or whatever.
29:26Um and yeah, he it also kind of reminds me of RJ Harvey a little bit. I just had a discussion with Ryan Heath. Um and it
29:33kind of fits into the the conversation we're having about uh T-Mac earlier, where it's like we don't really know what these players
29:40are, especially year one players. Um but we kind of tell ourselves that we do. We tell ourselves because of you know,
29:47these metrics that RJ Harvey sucks. Um we tell ourselves because we saw maybe some vision issues, we saw TreVeyon Henderson lose some work at times as a
29:54rookie that he's not that good or whatever. And it's like, really, like zoom out a little bit. We've got a pretty large
30:00sample size of him being good. Like he was a freaking bellcow running back at Ohio State as a freshman. And he was
30:07taking more work than Quichon Jenkins for the ma- majority of their time together.
30:12And everybody thinks Jenkins is an amazing, right? Like he he looked so good as a rookie and we're ready to crown him.
30:18It's possible, I think, that, you know, these guys could get better in year two, for sure. Um I another thing that Reebs
30:25brought up was Henderson, like and you said the same thing about Jenkins and then he played well, so take it for what
30:30it's worth. Henderson played so deep into the the schedule with the the collegiate uh playoff run and then they're just immediately into the draft stuff, like
30:40getting ready for the combine and everything and then they're just immediately thrown into the NFL. And so, like, they don't really even get an
30:45off-season. And so, I think with him, with Harvey, like, if you had conviction on their talent, it's fair to kind of,
30:52you know, wait and see, especially when you can get them at a discount. Like, why not? He's kind of like Bucky, where
30:57and I think he might even continue to fall as more and more people are make the case for Ramondre.
31:02Um and it's like, if you can get him as a running back two, three, you know, um I think that that that makes a lot of
31:07sense, where he could absolutely be one of the players you need at the end of the season. Another route I think that's
31:12interesting to take with New England is to keep this in the back of your mind and and try to trade for them after week
31:18two, because they're on the road against Seattle in week one, and then they play a what could be just a nasty game
31:22against the Pittsburgh Steelers in week two.
31:24And if Tyquan has, you know, nine points through those two weeks, you can probably buy Tyquan pretty cheap.
31:30Um if they're using Ramondre 70% of the snaps, because they need him to pass protect against those defenses, you could probably get Tyquan pretty
31:37cheap. Maybe even like A.J. Brown, if he struggles those over mean physical wide or cornerback ones, maybe you can buy him low, you know? Like, so, that's
31:45that's another path to take with Hendo, if you don't feel like paying the the draft price. You might be able to get
31:48him even cheaper after a couple weeks.
31:50>> Yeah, he's a really interesting player.
31:52Another interesting player is Josh Downs, and we've seen some positivity coming out early from training camp, and you've got the double-edged sword with
32:01Alec Pierce now on the pup.
32:04Where are you at on Josh Downs? And I'll say that there's this is where like all the bull cases with Downs, you're going to get a couple
32:11people coming out who are sizeists at the position, who are immediately like, okay, I get it, guys, but look at look
32:16at the size for Josh Downs. The track record is not there with guys hitting hitting at this size, who also play on
32:22the outside. I mean, there's obviously some rare exceptions, but the sizeists are out in full force every time you say something nice about Josh
32:30Downs. Your thoughts on Josh Downs, his fantasy ceiling this year, and can he do it as an outside uh you know high snap share guy in
32:41Indianapolis this year potential to maybe lead the Colts in targets this year if it's not Tyler Warren?
32:47>> Yeah, the sizes I think I've got to get over it. Like we are where we are. The NFL is different than it used to be.
32:52Like I love Ted McGillan and everything but like that type of receiver isn't quite as emphasized anymore. Like a lot you're seeing a lot of these small guys
33:01who are able to survive and even thrive and get a massive target share with the way the game is officiated with the way
33:08the defenses are allowed to like play physically with these guys with all the pre-snap motion that's happening to get these type of players free releases. Not
33:14that Downs really needs it. He's fantastic off line of scrimmage against press coverage. But he also does play with Shane Steichen who's awesome at
33:22finding ways to isolate his best players and get them you know in positions to succeed and I think we're going to see a
33:27lot of that in terms of condensed formations and pre-snap motion to get the ball into Josh Downs hands. Both Downs and Michael Pittman were top 15 in
33:35fantasy points scored on pre-snap motion among wide receivers last year. That's something that's been consistent where both of them have been used that way a
33:42lot. I think people realize that with Downs if you watch him you know he's always moving around getting short targets. I don't know people would think
33:48that way about Pittman. I think people kind of think of Pittman as like this outside hulking receiver cuz he's big but they did use him that way a lot and
33:55I think a lot of that just transfers right over to Downs. So my hot take with Downs is I think he is going to be a set
34:00it and forget it wide receiver two. So we'll say top 20 for fantasy and PPR formats. It's dependent on his health.
34:06We need to I mean and that that's the probably the biggest thing with these the sizes. That's probably the biggest thing they would they would have to
34:12point to with Downs is for two straight years you haven't even been able to see the guy get through an off season healthy. He keeps coming into
34:18the season with injuries but it's possible that that gives us a buying window. So I'm going to talk about another receiver
34:25like this in a moment here where it's like I do kind of have a thing for these smaller receivers who can work inside
34:30out and can get just massive volume and that'd be really, really good for fantasy. And two of them this year I
34:35think we have injury discounts on. I think if Downs was coming into the opportunity that he has this year last year, we would see him in like round six
34:43or something. Uh I think people would just be frothing at the mouth to take Downs. And you still have some of those
34:48people, you know, I'm I'm a huge doing that. But you can get him way cheaper this year, you know? And so why am I so
34:54excited is just cuz he's insanely good.
34:56He can beat all coverage type. I did an episode on Beyond the Box Score that's 12 receivers you can beat any coverage
35:00type. And the thesis behind that video was if you can beat man, you can beat zone, you can beat press coverage, then
35:06you present an opportunity to potentially pile up a massive target share, like 25 to 30% target share. And the 12 wide receivers I outlined are
35:14like the best receivers in the whole league and then Josh Downs.
35:17And it's like, what's he doing out here, you know? But if you look at Reception Perception charting, if you look at
35:21Fantasy Points Data's charting, if you just look at the games where Downs has been allowed to play two-thirds of the snaps,
35:28that's what you see is that he can be that type of a target earner. Um another thing that I think is interesting with
35:33Downs that people might not think about is I think he can be weaponized in the red zone.
35:37I think people think of these smaller receivers, whether that's Downs or Zay Flowers, as not players who can ever get that type of red zone involvement. Um
35:46but I think one, he's way better at the catch point than people realize. Matt Harmon has charted this all the way back to his
35:53North Carolina days. Um and if you just watch him, he's a phenomenal athlete. I know he's small, but he's very, very
35:58good in that way. And then the the more important thing I think is you can get him these quick targets because of his
36:04ability to just snap off these routes at the line of scrimmage and shake people.
36:08And that can be really good in the short yardage area, you know, at the red zone.
36:13You just need a little bit of space to get that play and I think that's a a way to win in the red zone that people don't
36:17think of. They think of like, you know, John Ross or Davante Adams, you know, but it's like these shorter guys can
36:22definitely win in the red zone with quickness.
36:24And I think even outside of the red zone, that point's going to be really important for Downs um with Daniel Jones
36:30recovering from a torn Achilles on his plant foot that these plant these these quick targets might be a huge part of
36:36the offense, you know, they might want to get that ball out quickly. Um especially if their offensive line isn't as good as it's been. So, I don't to me,
36:43I don't know if that's going to be as much of the expanded out Pierce role as people think. Um so, the the real worry
36:51I have is what if the Colts offense just sucks?
36:55If the Colts offense sucks, if it's just dysfunctional, if Daniel Jones just plays poorly, then everybody probably gets dragged down. Um I do have some
37:01optimism on that. I had Jared Smola on Beyond the Box Score and he talked through his fantasy environment score, which is just looking at Vegas
37:07projections for this year in terms of applied points. They have it for every game. And the Colts look good in terms
37:12of both the points they're expected to score, but then even better in the in terms of the number of total points that
37:18are expected to be scored in their games between them and their opponents. If you look at like their projected shootout rate, which is something that Jared
37:24calculated based off the number of games that were expected to have 48 or more points combined between the two teams, the Colts are very high. And I think
37:30that makes sense as you look at this defense. So, they're another team where it's like, I think we could see them get
37:35into a lot of back-and-forth shootouts.
37:37And I want to have exposure to I think the player who has a chance to just pile up targets within that. And I think it's more
37:43likely that that's Downs than Pierce if I had to guess based off the way the coaches are talking about him. They're
37:49really planning to expand his role, think he deserves that. Um so, if he comes into the season healthy, I think Downs is just
37:56really really slept on um because he's small, because he played through an injury last year, and so his efficiency stats kind of dropped off, and everyone
38:03was really excited for him last year, and then he didn't have any sort of massive production type season. Um but I
38:08think there's a lot of reasons why, you know, he was playing through an injury basically from the beginning of the season. So, I think this year could be a
38:12lot better. And he's someone I'm getting on basically every team.
38:16I love this take. And I mean, this is a hot take. Wide receiver 43 on Underdog, and Jacob is saying a top 20 wide
38:22receiver this year. That's a huge win rate. Downs is a guy that I have to move up a little bit in my PPR rankings. You
38:28can get access to my rankings over at Rotowire. Use the code Theo20, get 20% off of all of our content, but I'm going
38:35to move him up especially in PPR.
38:37He's really interesting and I think look, when we talk about Alec Pierce, he was a guy that I had a lot of last year
38:44and he was a player that helped us last year, but I think a lot of the Alec Pierce is going to explode in terms of
38:49like his usage was a lot of beat reporter speculation. I know the team talked about it, but just giving the guy
38:55a massive contract doesn't mean you're going to give him 30 more targets. I think a lot of what Pierce does stylistically, he's one of the best deep
39:03threats in football. He's led the NFL in yards per reception in back-to-back seasons and stylistically, he really helps that offense with Jonathan Taylor,
39:12Daniel Jones, and certainly guys like Tyler Warren and Downs would thrive with a healthy Pierce out on the field. But until Pierce is healthy, I think Downs
39:21has a chance to get a really quick leg up here. Him and Warren, I think like when we look at the consolidated target
39:26tree, those two guys are going to be printing in terms of just how predictable they are going to be based on the teammate target competition.
39:33Really fun one. You mentioned Josh Downs, it's a great segue to towards another like short king wide receiver.
39:39Let's talk about Zay Flowers, 5'9 wide receiver, go to another 5'9 wide receiver. Zay Flowers built a little different than Josh Downs, of course,
39:46though.
39:47Zay Flowers, I thought this was a great one. I think this was J Moore tweeted this one out, but 22.7% target share 3
39:55years ago, goes up to 25.4% and then last year, Zay Flowers was fifth in the NFL with 29% target share.
40:04Flowers is an elite target earner, but he's been in offense that doesn't pass the ball. He had 118 targets last year.
40:11This year, I think with Declan Doyle, the offense becomes even a little bit more balanced. And it doesn't have to be
40:18some crazy pass-happy revolution in Baltimore. They just have to not be dead last in the NFL in pass attempts. Zay Flowers, I think this year, sets a
40:27Baltimore Ravens record for the most catches in franchise history. The bar is not incredibly high. It's uh 107 catches for Mark Andrews back in 2021. I think
40:38we see Flowers get to 110 this year. It would be a leap forward, but really just would be increased target uh
40:46totals, a little bit more efficiency, and then I think Zay Flowers has this ability to add a lot of touchdown catches this year. They never target him
40:56in the end zone. I think just committing to using Zay Flowers on some end zone targets, a player with his route-running
41:03ability and athleticism, I think he could have a few of those. And then the positive touchdown regression, Flowers could end up having a smash season here.
41:11And he dodged a major hurdle. It sounds like Stefon Diggs will not be a Baltimore Raven. A throwaway signing last week, Chris Moore was signed to
41:20Baltimore last week. Um, where there's been some beat reporters insinuating that Stefon Diggs will not end up in Baltimore. It felt like that was one of
41:29the like more uh kind of obvious potential landing spots for Diggs with him training at the University of Maryland right now, uh and
41:37Baltimore, you know, being so close. But it sounds like that's not going to happen. So when you look at the wide
41:43receiver teammate target competition for Flowers, it's incredibly low. And then you look at Mark Andrews being a little bit older. I think everything's setting
41:52up for Flowers to have just a tremendous season. Uh, ended the year really well last year. I think he continues it to
41:58start the year this year.
42:00>> Yeah, I'm right there with you. I have Flowers as a wide receiver 12 ahead of a lot of really, really good players. I
42:04think there is a lot more upside than people realize. So I did about 23 minutes, I think, on Flowers with Heath
42:09Cummings on Beyond the Box Score and dug into all of that. And there are some comparisons to Antonio Brown, which sounds crazy. Um but like his year three
42:17market share numbers are basically identical to Antonio Brown's year four, and that's when he really took off AB.
42:24Um I think that just goes completely overlooked because Baltimore was so low volume in terms of passing last year. Uh the offense really
42:31was not what we've seen, but Flowers' numbers within that were massive. So it's kind of like Jamar Chase a little bit we brought up earlier where it's a
42:38little overlooked, he just keeps pushing that target share number up. And so it really comes down to to touchdowns. Can that happen? And I think again Antonio
42:45Brown is an interesting corollary. Tyler Lockett is another one that I brought up where early in their careers they weren't used
42:51that way. Their their red zone target shares were very low, even lower than Flowers actually.
42:56Um Flowers had a 19% red zone target share last year, so like that's not that bad. That's higher than AB's was early
43:01in his career, that's higher than Lockett's was.
43:03And then once they got unlocked that way, once that that game year three, year four, year five for those guys, all of a sudden it's like, oh, Tyler
43:10Lockett ripped off five straight years of eight or more touchdowns. Turns out he can be used that way cuz he's very
43:15good off the line of scrimmage, he's very good at the catch point. He's a very good player, you know, he's one of
43:19your best players. Feature him all over the place, not just outside of the red zone. And I think something similar could absolutely happen for for Flowers.
43:26Um Matt Harmon has sort of alluded to that fact, like when you look at his charting on Flowers, he's just like
43:32he he he keeps getting better. And he keeps getting better in the short, you know, quickness winning type of way, and
43:38that could absolutely be weaponized in the red zone. I don't know why he wouldn't be able to. And so maybe that
43:43does expand this year. And he can score outside of the red zone, too. And so I think there's a chance that he does run
43:48into an Olave type of outcome here cuz he's better with the ball in his hands than Olave. He's really really good with
43:53the ball in his hands and can create those big plays even if he's not like getting the take the top off the defense
43:58wins like Olave. He can win in a different way outside of the red zone, so I love it. I think he could easily have
44:03like a top It depends on depends on how much Baltimore passes, but he could easily have like a top five or eight season at
44:09the wide receiver position if they end up passing at like a near neutral rate, like near middle of the league rate.
44:14That would be all it takes.
44:16>> And you've got another wide receiver here. This time it's a rookie. Uh we got a little wide receiver centric. I'm
44:21going to drop a running back take uh soon, but love that you're including this player and I have no idea what
44:26you're going to say about him.
44:28>> Blaze, you set it up perfectly. Yeah, if you didn't know, that's that's impressive cuz you're just like your background instincts are working here as always.
44:35KCC, K.C. Conceição. I think that it's a really interesting correlator Zay Flowers. He's got Todd Monken coming over who Monken cooks, man. I don't
44:43think people realize it because he's not one of the like young exciting >> He's an agist, he is.
44:49>> It's the ageist thing. If Todd Monken was 15 years younger, people would be talking about him being an offensive genius. He's looked at sort of like a
44:55stop gap coach. Uh I I feel like it's more like a like what he did with the last two years in Baltimore after the
45:01Greg Roman era to switch over to Todd Monken, like really that the was that first year in Baltimore. The guy was innovative, uh
45:08had that team cooking, had Lamar Jackson I mean unbelievable stuff.
45:12>> Yeah, so Ryan and I talked about that on that episode I I mentioned earlier. Um he does all the things we like, motion
45:18at the snap of the football, he hammers horizontal routes, he gets players in space, he uses play action. Um so my
45:24question is like can this offense just not be terrible because last year the role was awesome for Zay Flowers. We really saw him unlocked.
45:33Um and the offense was just 27th in passing yards and that was enough for Flowers to have 1,200 yards. And I'm not expecting
45:40K.C. Conceição to be as good as Flowers, you know, and there's no Lamar Jackson, you know, even if Lamar didn't play
45:45great last year, it was still way better than what we're probably getting in Cleveland. Um but you're not paying anywhere near that
45:51drive price, you don't need anything like that. So my hot take with Conceição is I think he'll be a volume based wide
45:56receiver two with like a 25% target share in the second half of the season and gives you the yardage upside for
46:04even more than that because he's a really good player. I really liked him as a prospect. He can beat any coverage
46:10type. He is one of those types of players who can work inside out. Um if you look at wide receivers who were slot
46:16dominant, um which he was early in his career but not so much in his last season, which is something I like. He
46:20showed that he can win either way. Um but if you look at players that are slot right above 50% who were drafted in
46:25round one, those players have given us a really good hit rate for fantasy football because one like I said, that's how, you
46:31know, defenses are playing and everything. And two, teams don't really invest in slot receivers. There's not really any need to. We're going to more big tight end
46:39sets and everything. You can find a slot receiver anywhere is kind of the idea. I mean, hell, Amon-Ra St. Brown was a late
46:44pick, you know? Like you can maybe do that if you want to talk yourself into that. So why would you use a round one
46:48pick on a slot receiver?
46:51Maybe because they're like a special player, you know? And that's kind of what we've seen is those players who were slot dominant and got picked in
46:56round one have ended up being very good, especially for fantasy. And this is one of those players. And I think the
47:01overlook part of Concepcion, like Matt Harmon rants and raves about the the uh route running. And that's pretty clear when you watch him. He's like, "Dang, he
47:07can break off some nasty routes."
47:09I think he's also an absolute killer with the ball in his hands, and people maybe don't realize that so much. Um
47:14he's a dog, man. He's like Yeah, what he reminds me of a little bit is Luther Burden. I would say he's like
47:1880% of Luther Burden's physicality with the ball in his hands, um which is insane cuz Burden is like a running back
47:24with the ball in his hands. And he has more speed than Burden. Like this guy's really freaking fast where he can
47:30break off these plays where he breaks a tackle and he's like, "Oh, now he's gone." You know, now that's 50 yards.
47:34>> [laughter] >> Um so to me, as I look at the their schedule, I think like the week 11 bye feels perfectly timed for the classic
47:42second half rookie wide receiver breakout, like the the post-bye rookie bump, I believe Hayden Winks dubbed it.
47:47And the schedule from that point on is really, really nice. And so if he is in this Zay Flowers role, which as
47:53prospects they're kind of similar in a number of ways, like where they were drafted, how they won, their their numbers were a little bit suppressed by
48:00bad offense in college and off, you know, highest off target rate in their class, all that stuff. But they're really, really good athletes who can
48:07create with the ball in their hands or down the field. If he gets that role, I think the sky is the limit for this guy.
48:13It's only going to be whether or not the quarterbacks can can prevent it entirely from happening. So, can can the Browns get to that like
48:2127th-ish number that the Ravens were in passing yards last year? Can that is that realistic under Monken?
48:27If so, then I think Casey can set you up and give you some really big production down the stretch and he's completely
48:33free in drafts.
48:34>> It's such a low bar when it comes to Cleveland Browns and they've drafted well and they have these talented skill position players. I talked about
48:41this with Paco Reign when he came on here and when I was on with those guys on Ship Chasing, just like I I I like a
48:48bunch of these Cleveland Browns this year, but it's such a scary situation with the quarterbacks. But if Monken is this offensive genius, can he coax some
48:57like decent play out of Shedeur Sanders or maybe even potentially Deshaun Watson? There's a chance for multiple Browns to beat their ADP this year. If
49:05like you said, if they're just if they're the 25th best offense in football this year, then then there's going to be a couple
49:11guys that absolutely smash this year.
49:13So, really interesting stuff and Casey Conceicao, like you bring up like just how good he was. I did the NFL Draft
49:20podcast with Brett Whitefield and I made that last year when I was at Fantasy Points and I made that Zay Flowers
49:26comparison for Casey Conceicao and he quickly like corrected me and he was like, he's way better than Zay Flowers was as a prospect. really good at this.
49:34So, like I I was a a KCC bull, but I don't think I was bullish enough and and the NFL sort of told us what he was with
49:42where his draft capital was.
49:44Um, just to go back to his freshman year at NC State, he was ACC Freshman of the Year.
49:50Um, was like all-conference, was a freshman all American, 71 catches, 839 receiving yards and 10 touchdowns, but I think people forget he had 41 carries
50:00that year. They let him carry the ball 41 times. They got him all these manufactured looks, 320 rushing yards.
50:06He was the only player that year in FBS that had 750 plus receiving yards and 250 plus rushing yards. Unbelievable stuff. Um, and last year sort of the
50:15quarterback play at Texas A&M not that great, but KCC still was a first round pick. And then, you know, not K- Texas
50:21A&M, of course, you know, there's going to be some people listening. The quarterback play a lot lot left to be desired. I think they can improve this
50:27year. I'll add that. Don't come at me, Aggie nation. Um, let's keep this thing going here. I'll go with one >> that point is really important. I think
50:34that point is really important about the getting him the ball behind line of scrimmage and all that stuff, and that's why I'm okay taking a chance on him in
50:40this Browns offense, even though the quarterback play by me abysmal, is because like I know you really like Dinzel Boston, and I think there could
50:46be something there, but it seems like such a really razor-thin margin that you'd have to skate for him to actually matter for fantasy within this
50:54ecosystem. Maybe next year, when the quarterback play is better or whatever.
50:58Um, but with Concepcion, you can just get him the ball in creative ways, and he can create. Like he's that type of
51:04player. He's that fantasy friendly type of player, whereas Dinzel Boston, I think he can do some of that more than people realize. Like he's kind of like
51:10Pittman, where people think of him as this big outside guy, but he actually has a little bit of juice. Um, but I
51:14think most of his targets are going to be 10, 12, 15 yards on the field.
51:18Concepcion can get those, but he doesn't need to get those necessarily to win for fantasy, and that's why I'm taking shots
51:22on him.
51:23>> So, I'll go a very simplistic one, and I'll keep it short and sweet. You can go check out a long form of this
51:29conversation on the show that I did on Jacob's Jacob's Beyond the Box Score with him and Dan. I made the bullish
51:35case on Jeremiah Love. Dan was sort of with me on this one, just based on where he's being drafted. I see all these
51:42really smart people comparing Ashton Jeanty's situation last year to Jeremiah Love's this year. And I'm like do we do we not have to include ADP
51:52context into comparisons anymore in fantasy football? It's just pathetic to me. Some of these guys and some of these guys might have half a million followers
52:00and they're big NFL accounts making this comparison. Ashton Jeanty I had to take 12th last year. Now Jeremiah Love has been falling to the late third round a
52:08lot in FFPC and he's falling into the fourth round in NFFC. NFFC three wide receiver starts, so that gets a little
52:16bit different, but the whole market is fading Jeremiah Love now. Now I've got the beat reporters coming out and talking about how in the first couple
52:24days of training camp Jeremiah Love is like splitting first team reps with Tyler Allgeier.
52:29I get it. It's a little bit of my TreVeyon Henderson take, but Jeremiah Love was drafted third overall. He was a
52:36phenomenal prospect. And if he falls into the fourth round, I think this could turn out to be one of the better
52:42running back values in all of fantasy.
52:44Um I think it could be a little bit bumpy early on, but I think over the second half of the year you're going to
52:48see a full on embrace of Jeremiah Love the pass catcher. I think he ends up ripping it up in the last like eight or
52:55so games of the of the fantasy football season. Is an absolute playoff smash and ends up being a clear first round pick
53:03in 2027 drafts. Jeremiah Love will end up being let's call him a top eight pick in 2027 drafts. And in order to get
53:11there, he's got to do something this year. I think he outscores Ashton Jeanty last year on a points per game basis.
53:18Jeanty was like 14 and a half. Let's call Jeremiah Love 15 points per game, which isn't that bold. It's like 50% of
53:24the running backs who are drafted in in the top 10 overall, if we look at like the last 20 years, have had really
53:30strong fantasy foot football success right out the gate. Jeremiah Love I think is going to be the next one to do
53:35it. It could be a little bumpy, but I think he's going to get there in the second half of the year. I think people
53:39are really really overthinking him. 15 points per game coming out of the end of the third early fourth.
53:46>> I'm coming around. I just drafted him I think 29th overall. Um I moved him up my ranking since we talked about uh love. I
53:52think that the league winning case is there. I'm nervous I'm nervous as hell about the Cardinals. I don't want to draft very many Cardinals
53:57to be honest, but the late season schedule sets up pretty nice after the bye. Um and I think that he is probably
54:03just going to get loaded up. So, I think it makes a lot of sense. Those that the hit rate's even stronger if you look at
54:09like last 10 years instead of the last 20 years. Um I think maybe the NFL's got a little bit smarter about how they
54:14attack the position um in the draft. Um and so I I'm I'm there. I think that makes sense. I absolutely loved him as a
54:21prospect. And I think he can do it all.
54:23So, like maybe you know, we see him lose work to Algier or something, but maybe not, you know, he could absolutely just be like a
54:3060 70 80% type of player um in terms of backfield share. They have talked about that like if they've got the you know,
54:36the Steph Curry thing. If they got the hot hand, just they're going to ride it.
54:39And my guess is he'll have the hot hand a lot. This guy's insane. Um I also don't think that the Gentile
54:47comparison makes so much sense because it was historically bad last year. Like out of running backs with 200 or more carries, he was dead last. It was like
54:55115 I think running backs in terms of yards before contact per rush. And it's like over the last like 10 years or however long I have that
55:02data available to me, he was last last year. So, I don't think it'll be that bad. I think they have some talent on this line and it should
55:08be better than that. And then I think the quarterback play should be better, too. And you have actual pass catching weapons um that you know,
55:16maybe will scare the defense where is they're not just going to be loading the box all the time. Um I think that's fair
55:22like if they if they stay healthy, the offense could just be better than last year's Raiders. And then the last thing
55:25is the play card could be a lot better.
55:27I worry a little bit about them playing really slow, but if they're playing from behind, which they're expected to be doing in all of their games, I'll point
55:33out Jared Small's work again on the fantasy environment score thing.
55:36Um what was interesting to me about the Cardinals is when you look at the teams at the very bottom, which they were in
55:40terms of implied points, their profile for how they get to this low number is way different than the rest of the
55:46teams, where they have a a low rate of games that are expected to be very gross, like slogs, not a high point
55:52total between the two teams, and they actually have a few games that are projected to be shootouts, which most of those teams at the bottom don't have
55:58because their offense isn't good enough to make a shootout happen.
56:01And I think that that's kind of setting up to similar to last year, right? We'll see what happens at QB, um, but
56:08I think their schedule is going to set up where like the implied spread between them and their opponent is higher than
56:14any team in the NFL. They're expected to be losing and potentially getting beat bad more than any other team, and in
56:20those games like we could see them have to play a little bit faster than LaFleur would like. Um, and that also could be
56:26more passing and stuff, which could be good for him. I think he has a fantastic skill set there. So, as I look at him
56:31and compared to Gundy's season last year, it's like I mean, I wouldn't say this to their face cuz they have Pete Carroll's
56:37forgotten more about football than I'll ever know. I could live five lifetimes and not know enough to measure up to him, but like it's kind of some donkey
56:44stuff that was happening there with the coaching. I mean, they were using freaking Pete Carroll's son as an offensive line coach, and he had no
56:50experience with that, and like it was, like I said, the historically bad results. Um, and it wasn't good from the the get-go, and like it was Chip Kelly
56:58who is it just felt outdated, everything they were doing. Whereas like we've got actual semblance of like reason to believe that the play caller could be an
57:06improvement here in Arizona, um, from what they've had, whether you want to just blindly buy into McShanahan coaches or not. Like I think there's plenty of
57:14reason to believe that it could work.
57:16Um, it could even be exciting. So, yeah, I'm I think that makes a lot of sense. I think we're definitely overthinking it
57:21with him.
57:22At the same time, there's a lot of running backs to like, so I'm totally fine if you're just like, "Fade Cardinals." But that might come back to
57:28bite you in the fantasy playoffs.
57:30>> Yeah, I think really the the biggest argument for me is a lot of like when the the third and the fourth round
57:34running backs is the wide receiver quality. It's a whole another kind of structural draft uh show, but you know, we're liking all these wide receivers
57:42and then we're talking about guys like I you know, Jeremiah Love and in round three, round four. I made the case for
57:47Breece Hall, but it's like maybe the wide receiver hit rates are just so strong. Here I keep gravitating towards the hero RB running back because the
57:56whole market is telling us running back running back, but it's sure easier to draft running back running back right now and catch up at wide receiver these
58:03days, Jacob. Um let's finish the show out with a player that you talked about on the show that I multiple shows. You
58:09did it last time with us, but talk to me about Jayden Reed. Give me a hot take with Jayden Reed for 2026.
58:16>> Yeah, I'm going to say Jayden Reed has like like blows the doors off with yards. I'm going to say Jayden Reed has like
58:211,100-1,200 yards.
58:23Um I think it could be a massive season for him.
58:26He's it's he was the player I was alluding to earlier with Downs where it's like if we would have had this
58:32target opportunity available to Reed, I think going into last year, he would have been drafted super high. People would have been really excited about
58:38him. But because he had an injury-plagued year, we're kind of like over him. And so you have like a post-hype buy opportunity here. So Romeo
58:46Doubs last year was eighth in red zone target share and fourth in end zone target share. I think that's really relevant in the whole league, you know.
58:52Um not even just receivers, but like everybody. He was hammered in that area.
58:56He and Wicks accounted for 29% of the Packers targets and 39% of the air yards combined, 32% of the red zone targets
59:03combined, 48% of the end zone targets combined. And they just didn't replace those targets at all.
59:09Um so I think Tucker Kraft, if he's healthy, gets a lot of that. I think Christian Watson probably gets a lot of
59:15that in the red zone, but he already has a massive rate, so it's not like like Watson's not going to have like 50% of
59:19the red zone targets or something. I don't think he can really see that much of an increase.
59:24Um so where do do go, you know? Like I think Reed soaks up some of the red-zone stuff. And then outside of the red zone,
59:29I think he gets potentially a massive target boost um from what we've seen.
59:34And also there is, you know, there's a potential that he plays more in two-receiver sets and stuff. We'll see.
59:39I don't think I think it'll probably be Matthew Golden and Christian Watson playing in those sets, but there's also the potential that if either of those
59:47get players get hurt, we're now there with Reed. Whereas in the past we've had to speculate on like it would take like
59:53two or three injuries for Reed to ever get trusted into receiver sets. And there's a lot of people, Matt Harmon and
59:57myself, like JJ Zachariason, like there's a lot of people who have profiled this guy as somebody who could be an all-the-time player, not just some
60:04slot gadgety guy.
60:05Um So, Jayden Reed, since entering the NFL, is wide receiver one in fantasy points per target among qualified receivers.
60:13He's wide receiver one in passer rating when targeted. And so, I think the the fact we've got all of this vacated
60:20target opportunity, just simply blindly just be like very good on a tour per target basis, and now there's tons of targets available.
60:28That's an easy way to just be like, "Yeah, why is this guy drafted so late?
60:31I'll take him. Why not?" Like who just take a shot on him.
60:34And then if you want to be like more specific and think about the way that this might unfold for the Packers,
60:38they were 28th, I think, in Brandon Thorn's offensive line rankings. I think And those are kind of his like rankings were kind of skewed towards passing
60:45being more important and pass protecting. And so, if they struggle to pass protect, what does that mean? Like who does that affect? I think it
60:52probably affects Christian Watson and Matthew Golden as more of the downfield receivers.
60:56Um and I do think another relevant point is that Christian Watson's data has dropped off when Romeo Doubs has been off of the field. So, normally when you
61:04lose a, you know, wide receiver teammate and you look at the splits with them off the field, your data gets better. You
61:08get more targets and stuff. Watson's target rate has come down, his efficiency has come down. Not in a massive way, but it's like I think with
61:15Doubs off the field, Watson now has to do more of that big boy outside wide receiver stuff, which is kind of hard.
61:21Like it's kind of tough to get a lot of targets when you're working down the field against the best cornerback. And
61:25now I think he's going to have to do more of that, him and and Golden, and that leaves space for Kraft and Reed
61:32over the middle of the field. And especially if the line is struggling, they feel the a need to get the ball out
61:36more quickly, then that just probably leads to more and more of these designed targets from uh Matt LaFleur, who's very good at this, to get these catch-and-run
61:45guys in space.
61:47And I think that sets up where we could see Reed, if healthy, push into like a 22, 23% target share number, even with
61:57everybody healthy on uh in terms of like him only playing in three receiver sets, probably.
62:01Um and then we also could see m- more passing. We'll see what happens with Josh Jacobs. I got no idea. But
62:08also just what if the defense isn't as good? Um they lost a defensive coach, and we don't really know what's going to
62:13happen with Micah Parsons' health and everything. So, like, especially early in the year, I could see them being in some shootouts. And Reed being a player
62:20who's like, instead of 60 to 70% of the snaps, is playing 70 to 80% of the snaps, and getting a ton of targets. And
62:26then it's like, you got people like me tweeting like, "Remember this? He's wide receiver one in fantasy points per target since entering the NFL. And look
62:32at him go. Yeah, he's averaging 17 fantasy points per game through three weeks." And all of a sudden people are freaking out. I mean, you remember just
62:392 years ago, at the beginning of the season, I I was ranking Jayden Reed as like wide receiver 15 rest of season,
62:43and people were like, "You're insane.
62:45That's so low. He should easily be a top-eight receiver rest of season. He should easily be a top-10 or 12 dynasty
62:49receiver." And it's like, "Wow, that's really aggressive for a slot-bound player." Um but people got that excited about him, and I think we could see
62:57something like that again, cuz there's I don't I just think I I I don't think we're aggressively enough attacking these situations where a team lost a
63:06bunch of targets and did literally nothing to replace it. Right? Like, where are those targets going? Like, why are people just sitting around on their
63:14hands and not drafting Jayden Reed? I don't get it.
63:17>> You've also got the Tucker Kraft. It's not in a surprise to us at all that he's starting off training camp on the pup.
63:23But Tucker Kraft, like the contingent upside for the wide receivers, if there's some sort of re-aggravation for Tucker Kraft this year after seeing like
63:31what a big piece of the offense he was.
63:33And then Jayden Reed, like I pop in the Brazil tape if you think Jacob Gibbs is is being a little bit like too bullish
63:39here. Like the Brazil game against Philadelphia, that was a game where we all felt like maybe this was the second coming of Tyreek Hill. Uh and then of
63:47course we got like Matt LaFleur. It could be a different environment this year with LaFleur. I've come around on Josh Jacobs. I think Jacobs is going to
63:55avoid anything this year, but Josh Jacobs is also an older back who's withstood a lot of volume. Jayden Reed, the last fully healthy season he had, he
64:04had 20 carries in 2024. He had three rushing touchdowns in 2023 and 2024.
64:10They just like getting him the ball around the around the goal line. And I think that Jayden Reed getting a few
64:16more manufactured rush attempts this year also could be there whether or not Jacobs misses time or not. Uh it's a really strong bullish argument for Reed.
64:25I love it. Jacob, this was absolute fire today. Let everybody know once again where they can find your work.
64:32>> Yeah, uh Beyond the Box Score. Check us out on YouTube. Um we're on any, you know, streaming platform where you
64:36listen to to podcasts. But I'm particularly interested in like trying to grow this YouTube product that we just started. And so we've been putting
64:41out all sorts of different um types of content for you to continue on YouTube whether that's short or long. I mean,
64:46some of these episodes like Packer Report and Rich Rebar and me, you know, we can yap, dude. We talked for 2 and
64:501/2 hours. And the only reason we stopped is cuz Rich Rebar is like, "I got to feed my kids, man."
64:56We could have talked We could have talked all day. It could have been 5 hours long. Um so lots of that type of
65:00stuff if you if you really want to dig into the nitty-gritty and and think about some of these players in a
65:04different way. Um and then some more focused like deep dives into to data whether that's like >> [snorts] >> I've got like a I'm going to look
65:11specifically at every single team and like red zone usage based off last year and how I think things could shift this
65:16year and which players might benefit.
65:17Um, that type of stuff, too. If you want more data deep dives, player specific stuff, that's all coming out on Beyond
65:22the Box Score. And we have fantastic guests. Theo is going to be back on again.
65:25Uh, really appreciate that. Um, yeah, it's it's good stuff. I'm getting really excited for draft season, man. I'm excited to draft a team with you.
65:31>> Yeah, we're going to draft a team. Uh, look for an announcement there for for Jacob and I. I'll rip it off a high
65:36stakes team at some point. Uh, and I'm going to go back on the show. If you're watching on the YouTube channel, just go
65:41over to Beyond the Box Score, hit that subscribe button. It's really, really strong stuff. Jacob is one of the smartest guys out there, one of the
65:46sharpest guys I've had. And stick with us here right on on this uh, show throughout the rest of July into August.
65:53We're gaining a ton of momentum. Really appreciate all the new subscribers to both the podcast feed and the YouTube audience. Uh, have a loaded rest of July
66:02and early August in terms of guests. And we're mixing in a bunch of those live drafts. I did a live FFPC Main Event
66:08draft solo. That was tough. Drives telling Jacob in the pre-show doing a drafting a team and like running the show at the same time, especially when
66:15it's a high stakes one, that's tough.
66:17I'm also doing an NFFC 350 with Alan Seslowsky on this channel. Look for that live. My Pros vs. Joes FFPC team, I'll
66:25do that live Sunday night. And then I'm going over Ian Hartitz's channel. We're drafting an FFPC 350 Big Gorilla. That should be a lot of fun. Drafting live
66:34here on this channel every single week.
66:36No theoretical content here. We're ripping and running. We're trying to win some money. Trying to win some championships. Jacob is going to help
66:42you do that as well. Make sure you're following him. And stick with us here RotoWire. We're going to help you crush
66:47your fantasy leagues this season.

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