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0:58Welcome to the Ringer Fantasy Football Show. My name is Danny Heifetz and I'm joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Horlbeck.
1:04And today, we are going to remind you all the players who changed teams because it's July and we were actually about
1:11roughly two months out from beginning of the NFL season.
1:14And we figured you might not have remembered that, like, you know, Tua is on the Falcons now.
1:19So, DK, just in case everyone is a little blown away by that, we figured we'd start at the beginning.
1:25Just a little refresher to get you back into the fantasy mindset.
1:28That's kind of what we're doing. Honestly, like looking through this list, I was like, oh, I forgot about that.
1:34Exactly. A few different guys. So, yeah, it'll be fun to kind of explore who's on new teams, what they could do on those new teams.
1:41This is preparing you for the summer barbecue when your dad or your uncle is like, Tua Tunga Vailoa is on the Falcons?
1:48Now, you'll be prepared for that after listening to this episode.
1:51Also, but no uncle can say Tunga Vailoa. That's the problem.
1:54That's true. That's true. No. As an uncle, you're just, you can't say that.
1:58You're going to fuck it up for sure. That's how it goes.
2:02If your sibling has a child, you cannot say Tunga Vailoa anymore.
2:05It's just go to that. My sibling just had a child.
2:08Thank you. Everyone emailed in for the dad advice.
2:11I can't say, I just got to say Tunga.
2:13Yeah. Mazel tov. Yeah. You should ask for uncle advice.
2:16It seems, I mean, it seems pretty easy. Yeah.
2:19Okay. We'll see, I guess. I feel like I got.
2:22I'm getting a little cocky on that one. That's how you're doing.
2:25Yeah. He's like, as soon as he hands you that baby, you're going to not know what the hell to do, bud.
2:32No, of course not. But then I wouldn't be an uncle.
2:35So. Okay. We're going to go through everything. And also just to let people know, we have an announcement coming next week.
2:41So if you were in the California-ish area, stick around for next week.
2:45We have an announcement next week. California-ish. No, if you're in the Southern California area.
2:49Southern California. It's a big state. Yeah. Area. Nevada might be hard.
2:53Arizona. It's like, you know, in theory that you could, that might work, but that'd be probably pretty hard.
2:58Good point. Okay. So we're going to do hot quarterback, the honorable mentions.
3:02We're going to unveil our hot quarterback rankings as well.
3:05So at the end of this, we'll do honorable mentions for hot quarterbacks.
3:08I cannot wait for that. We have, you're underselling it.
3:11We have pulled the seven, all, all seven of them have weighed in and created their rankings.
3:16Hundreds and hundreds of the seven. Hundreds of the seven have weighed in.
3:20And we have created a composite ranking of the hottest quarterbacks, the top 16 hottest quarterbacks in the NFL.
3:25And today we're going to be starting with the honorable mentions, the, you know, the first four out, if you will, that
3:32didn't make the cut of the hottest 16 quarterbacks in the NFL starting quarterbacks.
3:36I cannot wait to see who they chose or who they didn't choose.
3:39It's interesting. It's almost like they don't agree with the male gaze of what it's like.
3:44We don't know what women want. Exactly. It might, that might be the case.
3:48I could spend 20 minutes examining like, like what, what the dad bod appeal is and how men often think that the
3:54ideal male body type is like looking like Chris Evans in Captain America.
3:58Yeah. Yeah. Hugh Jackman. And women sometimes are like, oh, Chris Pratt before Marvel has a better body than Chris Pratt after Marvel.
4:05So. Parks and Rec Chris Pratt. It's fascinating. Exactly.
4:07So before we do that though, we are going to go through players, the important players who change teams.
4:13No offense to Jalen Naylor signing a good deal for him to play for the Raiders, you know, no offense to him,
4:19but we're going to go through the biggest players that change teams.
4:23And I want to start with AJ Brown and the Patriots because AJ Brown was traded to New England and they also
4:29signed Romeo Dubs, who, who I'm going to get his name wrong a thousand times.
4:33It's been corrected. Dobbs, Dubs. I never remember. What is it?
4:36Dobbs? I think it's Dubs. I think it's Dubs.
4:39I felt like we came back to Dobbs. I had a crisis of confidence mid-sentence.
4:43But anyway, the point is they're both in New England now.
4:46It's Dubs. Okay. I just think this is going to be really, really interesting.
4:50And I kind of think, I feel like I'm realizing that I am the highest person on AJ Brown, which maybe that's really bad for AJ Brown.
4:58But I feel like there's this unanimous, not unanimous, but I feel like people are like, yeah, well, AJ Brown's lost a step, but he's still.
5:06And I'm like, I feel like AJ Brown is still very much an elite receiver who was not trying as hard last year because he was not focused.
5:14And he seems like he'll be incredibly focused this year.
5:17And I kind of think AJ Brown's in for an elite fantasy season.
5:20And I kind of think the New England passing game is going to be fantastic.
5:25I'm curious to you. I feel like this is a great combination.
5:28AJ Brown and Dubs work perfectly together for multiple reasons.
5:31And I think they were great acquisitions for Drake May.
5:34But I was very ready to kind of just write off the Patriots out of the playoffs and never mind just Super Bowl slump.
5:41Never mind everything that happened with Mike Vrabel this offseason.
5:44And I'm looking at AJ Brown and I'm like, man, I think this is going to be a really good offense.
5:50I think it can definitely be. It has the ceiling of this could be one of the biggest moves in the offseason.
5:56That we see full stop. This could be one of the season defining moves.
6:00If AJ Brown can get back to what he was, if he can provide that explosive value and run after the catch
6:06value that we've seen from him in the past and returns to form or whatever.
6:11But I think it is really high variance. You know what I mean?
6:14You say he wasn't trying. Like, that's a red flag.
6:17That's a pretty big red flag on a team that was good, by the way.
6:22The Eagles were a good team. Is it a red flag?
6:25Yeah, absolutely. What are you talking about? A guy on a good team wasn't trying?
6:29It's a red flag if he stayed on the team.
6:32But he's on a new team. Okay, but I- His favorite team.
6:35He had the carpet and everything. He's wanted to be a patron as well.
6:39Craig, come on. Is this a red flag? Is this a red card?
6:43A yellow card? I can't believe you're arguing with me that that's not a red flag.
6:48Like- Kyle, lean closer to Heifetz here. Even if you look at our rankings, like, we're all over the place.
6:53Heifetz has him- This is overall rankings heading into 2026.
6:56Heifetz has him 14th overall. I have him 21st and DK has him 36th.
7:00If I was a gambling man, I would say that it's much more- I would bet that AJ Brown has a top
7:0710 fantasy wide receiver season this year and looks closer to what we all remember AJ Brown as, then it falls off
7:13a cliff and it's a mess and it's drama or he's not healthy.
7:17Yeah. I think it's a huge upgrade quarterback-wise in terms of the passing game.
7:21Obviously, Drake may- One of the most accurate and explosive passers last year.
7:25I think that fits perfectly with what AJ Brown's skill set is.
7:28And so that- The quarterback upgrade could be the big thing.
7:31But like, I don't know. Trying to convince me that a guy on a first place team that decided to stop trying
7:37is not a red flag is like ridiculous to me.
7:40It's a weird team though. But I guess I'm looking at it in the context of- Would you rather his numbers decline
7:47because he's old and his knee is no good and he's like physically not what he once was?
7:52Or he was absolutely furious with an offense that didn't make any sense and couldn't get him the ball?
7:57And I'm like- I mean, you're changing the question, I guess.
8:00But sure, like it's better than being hurt, I guess.
8:03I don't know. I think there were still moments last year.
8:07Like the beginning of the fantasy season with AJ Brown was an unmitigated disaster.
8:11I would know. I had him and I hated it.
8:13It was the worst experience ever. However, things did kind of rebound a little bit.
8:18And he actually, for a stretch, kind of just seemed like good old AJ Brown again.
8:22And I mean, just Drake May versus Jalen Hurts and what the New England offense does versus Philly.
8:27Like Drake May last year threw for 500 more yards than Jalen Hurts has ever thrown in a season.
8:33And like not only that, like Drake May is I think able to make more throws that complements what AJ Brown can
8:39do on the field a little bit better than Jalen Hurts can.
8:43So I'm like, if AJ Brown, he turned 29 years old like a week ago.
8:47Like if the health is fine and he's fine, like I think the offensive environment is like way better than it was the last two years in Philly.
8:55Horrible, horrible season for AJ Brown, right? DK, disgusting, abysmal, pathetic.
8:58Oh, here it comes. He's going to pull out a stat.
9:01It's coming. What was he? Like the wide receiver 12?
9:04Total points. So yeah, he was 11th. Yeah. Last year.
9:07If you look at the, if you cut out week 18, because I think you should.
9:12But like, he was 11th in a season that ever.
9:15It was snip snap because obviously he was absolutely abysmal and obviously he was terrible for where you drafted him.
9:20And you probably didn't make the playoffs if you had him on your team.
9:24But the fact that he even was 11th in total points in a season that was like universally derided.
9:30I don't know. I just look at him as a player that, yeah, I would have preferred him being completely motivated.
9:36And I don't know. So I'd be really frustrated if I was an Eagles fan.
9:40But I look at him on the Patriots and I see a few things.
9:44Not to mention that I'm not comparing him to Randy Moss.
9:47But as you talk about disinterested players who went to New England and then had the best season of their careers.
9:53I'm just saying it's not like it's never happened.
9:56But I look at, I think that it was a good move for New England.
10:00Oh, you're saying total points. You're not saying points per game.
10:04You're saying, I see what you're saying. Okay. Because I was like, what the fuck are you talking about?
10:0912. 12. But yes, because he played the majority of the season, that helped him a lot.
10:14That's such a classic like season long versus the per game.
10:17It's always great. But both are flawed for multiple reasons.
10:20I mean, you look at averages, look at fucking Zay Flowers or whatever.
10:24And I'm like, man, no one felt like he was a top 15 receiver.
10:28Oh, you know what? Hold on here. I'm going to give Heifetz some credit.
10:32You should have done per game, dude. He was 12.
10:35That's my point. That's what I said. 12. I was spot on.
10:38I think, by the way, I feel like I'm coming in as the anti-AJ.
10:42I'm not like necessarily out on AJ Brown. I think I'm just like admitting and sort of acknowledging that there's a reason the Eagles traded him.
10:50And I think we can't just like completely ignore that fact that he like checked out on a team that was still in the hunt.
10:57Like this isn't like he was on some piece of shit team that was, you know, he's just trying to get through the season.
11:04Like they were contenders. May I make a loose and perhaps messy comparison to another 29-year-old who just got traded, Jalen Brown.
11:10Yeah, there we go. Who, you know, the situation was clearly not right.
11:14And for whatever reason, what was going on inside that team was not working.
11:18And now that he's on a different team, the Sixers, I think Jalen Brown is going to be fantastic, just like he was on Boston.
11:25But I'm like, I kind of think AJ Brown, I think we're going to like, it's going to be week one.
11:31And AJ Brown is going to have like 80 yards at half.
11:34And I'm going to be like, ah, fuck. You smile.
11:37I just realized that you're comparing a guy named Brown and a Boston related trade who is incredible on a Super Bowl
11:44and on a championship level team, a team that won a championship pretty convincingly two years ago.
11:48And that had a really disappointing second round playoff exit.
11:51First round playoff exit. A couple, a couple of things in line there.
11:55More comparisons than you think. I think, but to get to the point, I think that the questions about AJ Brown, I
12:01think I'm not as worried about it as I am for other reasons, but I do think for football reasons, it makes a ton of sense.
12:09We can get off this, but I basically think that AJ Brown for the Patriots adds all the verticality that they were lacking.
12:16I think he's an explosive player. New England did have a ton of explosive athletes on that team.
12:21But also I just think what Drake may did last year was he basically, it's the same way Jaden Daniels two years
12:27ago went like 90% on fourth down and was Drake May's deep passing.
12:31Asking Drake May to push the ball downfield as much as any quarterback except Matthew Stafford and then somehow lead the league completion percentage.
12:38You can't ask him to just be pinpoint accurate for an entire season.
12:41It's just not how the randomness of deep passing goes.
12:44And then it's almost like getting ahead of the sophomore slump before he did it.
12:49I know he's not actually a sophomore slump, but I don't really know the word for a third year player.
12:54Junior slump doesn't really have the same ring to it.
12:57The idea of how you rebound after a bad year or a great year to like lesser.
13:02And I think AJ Brown and Dubs together are so much better than like Keishon Booty and Matt Collins and Stefan Diggs
13:08rotating in for a third of the snaps that the improvement at receiver is more than whatever regression Drake May might have been due.
13:15And Drake May's probably going to become a better player.
13:18So I think it makes sense for X's and O's.
13:21I think all AJ Brown in breakers, verticality, Romeo Dubs can line up at X receiver, line up wherever.
13:27So AJ Brown can line up in the slot more than literally dead last, which is what he was doing for Philadelphia last year.
13:33I think it makes a ton of sense to them.
13:36I just think he's going to get the ball a lot.
13:39We'll see where we can talk about ranking him.
13:42I don't disagree with what you're saying, DK, when you're like, well, the Eagles did trade him because the reality is AJ
13:48Brown had a season ending knee injury. He played through like in 2019.
13:52Like I think he's how will his contract age?
13:55How will he age three years from now? I don't know.
13:58But I do think this season he's on a war path.
14:01So we'll see. Same with Jalen Brown. What do we think about Dubs real quick?
14:05Like, do you are you interested in him at all in fantasy now that AJ Brown is on this roster or do you think it's just.
14:13I'll tell you what I think. We're going to do an episode at some point this preseason.
14:18I don't know when. Call. We do it every year.
14:21It's called the all boring team. Yeah. And it's the boring players that we think could define the season.
14:26And I think Romeo Dubs should be like the captain of the all boring team.
14:30I think he should be the post. If we did have postage for the all boring team, I think Romeo Dubs should be the face of it.
14:38But we'll just blur out their faces because it would defeat the point.
14:42Yeah. I've always liked Romeo Dubs. Dubs? Fuck. I think he's just like a really solid player.
14:47I feel like he came through a lot for Green Bay.
14:50Like when all the receivers are hurt and everything's a mess.
14:53Like I just feel like he was always coming through on like a third down, making good plays.
14:58He's a good route runner. I just like him.
15:01And I think he's a really, really solid number two.
15:04And then in New England, it's kind of nice now because they kept a lot of the receivers they had last year.
15:10Like Booty's still there. Demario Douglas is still there.
15:13Matt Collins is still there. And now they all kind of settle into roles that feel more appropriate to their skill set.
15:19And now it's kind of a nice, well-rounded offensive situation.
15:22But I think Dubs is rock solid. Yeah. He had the same amount of points last year as Mike Evans per game, as DJ Moore per game.
15:30It's like his name value I just think is not.
15:32I think he'll be like a lovely flex on your team.
15:36Yeah. Next up here, DK, I want to ask you about Kenneth Walker, who is the Super Bowl MVP running back for
15:42the Seattle Seahawks and then left to sign with, of all teams, the Kansas City Chiefs.
15:47And this is another guy who's, I think, the volatility and the potential highs versus lows.
15:51He's going to be maybe one of the storylines of the season, honestly, in fantasy.
15:55So he signed a three-year $43 million deal with the Chiefs.
15:59Average annual salary of $14.3 million, which makes him the sixth highest paid running back in the NFL behind Saquon, CMC, Devon A.
16:05Chan, Derrick Henry, and Brees Hall, who also, I believe, signed this offseason.
16:09So, I mean, they paid him like an elite running back.
16:12The question is, can he stay healthy? And are they going to give him elite numbers of touches?
16:17I think what we saw last year at the end of the season, specifically in the playoffs, Zach Charbonnet got hurt in
16:24the divisional round game for the Seahawks. After that, the Seahawks basically were forced to give Kenneth Walker bell cow type carries.
16:30He averaged 24 touches per game, which was awesome.
16:33He scored 23 points per game. If he scored 23 points per game, I mean, you're talking about the running back one, potentially.
16:39And so, I guess just the question is, how much do they plan to use him in this backfield?
16:45That also includes Omari DiMarcato, who is a free agent.
16:48Third down back, Emmett Johnson. Or, sorry, DiMarcato would probably be the third down back.
16:52Then you have Emmett Johnson, who is a fifth rounder.
16:55Rashard Smith, who is a seventh rounder. Jade Knott, who is an undrafted free agent.
16:59It does feel like it's lining up for Walker to have big time carries.
17:03But in the past, Andy Reid has favored a rotation.
17:06So, there's just a lot of questions with Walker.
17:09I think he's one of the best pure runners in the game.
17:12But again, how much are they going to utilize him?
17:15How much are they going to run in this offense, which has been pass heavy in the past?
17:20There's just a lot of moving parts with Kenneth Walker.
17:23I think Ken Walker is going to be in the short list of maybe the single best value players in all fantasy football this year.
17:30And a guy that is probably going to be on a lot of my teams.
17:34The only issue I have is he has a history of foot issues, which is concerning.
17:39But you could get lost in the sauce very quickly on what if my running back gets hurt.
17:44It's like that's kind of how it works. List at any running back.
17:48And you're like Saquon Barkley, Christian McCaffrey, Derrick Henry.
17:50Any running back can get hurt. What I see when I look at Ken Walker is a guy that is plan A,
17:57B, and C for the Chiefs getting more explosive this year.
18:00And he does two things that I think are going to be essential for the Chiefs, which are he's going to get
18:06the goal line touches because everyone you just mentioned is very small.
18:10All the like they didn't bring Kareem Hunt back.
18:12The Chiefs have had no explosives at running back for two years.
18:16I think they're like literally dead last in every important explosive rushing metric over the last two seasons.
18:21Walker's the whole part of Walker's game is he can create explosives on the ground.
18:25He's a home run hitter. And the other thing is so goal line touches for sure.
18:30The other one is screens. Andy Reid, the head coach of the Chiefs, is famous for like being very detail oriented with screens.
18:36And he's one of the better screen designers in the NFL, which obviously it's just that's explosives and pass catching.
18:42And I think Ken Walker is a better pass catcher than people think.
18:46And I think he's going to get all this.
18:49And again, all the years that sometimes I think people get confused.
18:52It's like, have the Chiefs had a breakdown of roles for players in the past before?
18:57Yeah, that's because they're money balling the running back position.
18:59They're like, well, instead of getting one player for a ton of money that can do everything, why don't we get a
19:06bunch of minimum level players that can all do one thing and stick it together?
19:10But when you decide to pay a running back $14 million a year, he's going to do at least two thirds of it.
19:17He's going to get the overwhelming majority carries. He's not going to lose carries to Emmitt Johnson, a fifth round rookie pass
19:23catching running back that probably won't be able to block for a year.
19:27I look at Ken Walker as a guy that probably should be a first round pick.
19:31And the only reason he's not is because it's weird to take Kenneth Walker over like CeeD Lamb or Justin Jefferson, otherwise,
19:38or James Cook, who led the NFL in rushing.
19:40But I think Kenneth Walker is like going to end up being the best second round pick you could make.
19:46Well, the Chiefs in the Mahomes era has never really had a running back that has panned out from fantasy football.
19:52Other, Kareem Hunt, 2017 was really the last time.
19:55Yeah. And it's like, we've had the Clyde Edwards-Hilaire and Isaiah Pacheco and everything else in between.
20:00It's never quite worked as like a running back kind of needs to be a focal point of the offense for them
20:06to deliver like first round value in fantasy football.
20:08And it's like, do you really see Kareem Hunt getting 20 plus touches a game?
20:13You mean Walker? Sorry. Yes. Kenneth Walker? Yeah. I mean, that is the question.
20:17I think it's more likely than not. No. I think he probably won't get 20 plus touches a game.
20:22I mean, I think yes. I want to see more.
20:25Like, we'll see how camp goes because maybe they're just like, no, they want to manage his load.
20:30But I actually think he will get 20 touches a game.
20:34It just depends on how much they use him in the passing game.
20:37I think that's the big variable here. I think they use him a lot in the passing game.
20:42Then, I mean, the ceiling is elite. If not him, who?
20:46Rashard Smith? I mean, yeah, it's Emma Johnson. Who's a fifth rounder again.
20:49Rashard Smith. Well, here, Emma Johnson, to your point, though, rookie.
20:52Right. You're the draft guy, DK. Off the dome.
20:55How many players each year? How many rookie running backs get, like, primary pass catching work in their rookie year?
21:01I feel like it's exceedingly rare. I mean, and especially among, like, day three guys.
21:05It's almost never. It basically never happens. Like, maybe once every three years a team will do that.
21:10But it feels like the hardest thing to earn.
21:13It's like, you're going to protect the quarterback and catch passes and run routes to the depth.
21:18Yeah, the Walker thing is fascinating because it felt like the Chiefs made it a big priority to do this.
21:24It was, like, sort of their big swing in free agency.
21:27There's a ton of question marks at the receiver core.
21:30I mean, what we're seeing with Rasheed Rice, obviously, he, to me, is a question mark going into the season.
21:35The Xavier Worthy. Did you guys see the video Xavier Worthy posted?
21:39Yeah, it looked super fast. He was cutting and running out there on the grass.
21:43I couldn't tell if it was a parody or not.
21:46Like, that's where we are with Xavier Worthy. It looked like he was, like, a five-star high school prospect.
21:51Yeah, he's just running circles in a field somewhere.
21:54And it was, like, a messy backyard with cones.
21:57Like, the grass wasn't even cut. I've been thinking about cones recently.
22:00I apologize. I don't remember where I learned this.
22:03It was probably on a Ringer show. Someone was talking about how Kevin Garnett, when he would practice, didn't put cones down.
22:09He put shoes down on the courts. Instead of doing dribbling work around cones, he did it around shoes.
22:14Sure, yeah. So he could sharpen, like, exactly where you need to go.
22:18Two shoes instead of one cone. And ever since I heard that, I'm like, why the fuck doesn't everybody do that?
22:24That seems so much better. Yeah, you stuff a shoe with a bunch of socks so it feels like a human foot.
22:31Yeah. You visually step on it, you get a red card.
22:34I don't know. I don't get it. But I guess to your point, do you get a Ken Walker?
22:39Imari De Mercado, maybe he does end up being the third down pass catching screen guy.
22:44And Ken Walker is just the early down guy.
22:46It's not as exciting as they think. But it feels like that's the floor.
22:50Yeah. I also think there's a little bit of, and I don't know, this is very, you know, I don't know what's
22:57going to happen here because who knows. But I do think Walker wants to prove that he's better than what we saw with the Seahawks.
23:04Like he was, it feels like he was straight up mad about how the Seahawks utilized him in his four seasons there.
23:10He didn't go to the, he didn't go to the Super Bowl ring ceremony.
23:14He was the only player on the roster who didn't show up for the Super Bowl ring thing, which I don't know if that was just like scheduling.
23:22I know. But like there was a lot of other players from different teams showed up.
23:27It's not like they kept all their players. I mean, shit.
23:30Rick Wolin was there and the Seahawks like didn't even try to keep him.
23:34So look, that's obviously just one example. But like it felt to me and talking to people after the season, Walker, I
23:40don't think even considered staying in Seattle. He was basically like every time they, every time they got near the red zone, they took him off the field.
23:48I think he was like mad about that and he really wants to prove.
23:52So there's almost like a little bit of revenge thing or not revenge, but just prove that I can be an elite
23:59running back type of deal with this move to Kansas City.
24:02So that's, that's a very, you know, that's probably not something to take too much into account, but not to make everything
24:08about Jalen Brown, but you're telling me that there's a finals champion MVP who then like very recently was then booted from
24:15the team because they think you're replaceable. Oh yeah.
24:17And then Austin brings us up. John Schneider at the Seahawks victory parade was like talking about how I think Kenneth Walker is just like, what the fuck?
24:25He said the GM of the Seahawks was like, Ken Walker just tried to negotiate with me.
24:30What a weirdo. And then later had to admit, I actually made that up because I was nervous.
24:35Yeah. And drunk. And drunk. I was drunk, nervous, and then made that up.
24:39Lethal combo. Yeah. Yeah. So anyways, I don't know.
24:42There's, there's an element of like, prove it this year, even though it's not, it's like, it's almost like a contract year
24:48thing, but not obviously it's, he just wants to prove to people that he's elite guy.
24:53I think he's appropriately ranked. Like I, the running backs, I mean, you can go through a lot calling him a first round value.
25:00I'm like Jameer Gibbs, B. John Robinson, Jonathan Taylor, McCaffrey, James Cook, Derek Henry, Ashton Gentis, Saquon.
25:05Like that's eight guys. I would all very easily take over Kenneth Walker.
25:08Then you have Devon A. Channel, Marion Hampton, Kenneth Walker, Chase Brown, Kyron Williams.
25:12I think, I think he should be in that group.
25:15I think he is like a mid to late second round pick.
25:19Okay. The next player here who I think is a good reason why we do this, because if not, there's like a
25:25photo around on social media and you're like, this guy's on that team, which is Mike Evans signed with the San Francisco
25:3149ers, which I think is exactly the kind of cobwebs you discover in your brain after like watching the World Cup and Wimbledon and NBA free agency.
25:39You're like, Mike Evans is with Kyle Shanahan. So all great players end up in the NFC West.
25:44I don't know. There's just a rule. I don't know why.
25:47Even I kind of forgot. Like I had to, I was like, oh, the Niners this year, who Ricky Pierce saw who they had?
25:54They drafted a guy. Oh shit. Mike Evans is on the Niners.
25:58It kind of works in my head. It feels right.
26:01I don't know why. Maybe it's just the red jerseys translate, but so Mike Evans signed a three-year deal.
26:06It's really closer to a one-year deal worth like 15 million.
26:09He's going to be 33 next month. Mike Evans before last year, we all know he had 11 straight seasons with a
26:16thousand yards and snapped that streak last year. He got hurt, hurt his hamstring and his collarbone.
26:21Um, and I like the previous seasons. He did that.
26:23Didn't come back and get like 500 yards in the final two games.
26:27Right. Beat the finish line. Yeah. To get his like, like a yard bonus.
26:31And then the last play of the game that Baker Mayfield just peppers him with targets.
26:36So he can make a thousand yards. Uh, there's a lot of open targets in San Francisco, like 143 vacated targets.
26:42Juwan Jennings is gone. Kendrick Bourne is gone. George Kittley.
26:45I mean, coming back from an Achilles injury. Like we, he seems to be doing well.
26:49Like I feel like everyone now who tears their Achilles is ahead of schedule, but, um, it's basically now Mike Evans, Ricky Pearsall.
26:56They brought in Christian Kirk and this rookie to John Stribling, who they took in the second round, third round, first pick
27:02of the second round, which is surprising. Look, I think Mike Evans is a great fit in San Francisco.
27:08And I think if Mike Evans is healthy, Mike Evans is going to be really good.
27:12And like what we saw with Devante Adams in LA, I'm like, I think we could see that out of Mike, Mike Evans in San Francisco.
27:20Um, I think it's very similar to the Devante Adams.
27:23Yeah. And like, I think they need a guy like him.
27:26This like big go up and get it guy, a big red zone threat.
27:30Like, especially with George Kittle banged up and older, like I think it's going to be really helpful.
27:35Um, the only issue with Mike Evans, to be honest, is like, I was going back and looking at the history of his hamstring injuries.
27:42Mike Evans has been on the injury report with a hamstring every single year since 2019.
27:47This is why the, the 49ers are trying to move their practice facility currently.
27:51Right. Get away from the fucking whatever transfer zone.
27:53What do you, what do they call it? The, the, uh, substation.
27:57Meanwhile, I still think the substation is the funniest thing in the world.
28:01Okay. Look, we all laugh about it. It's pah, ha, ha.
28:04It's just like conspiracy theory. They're actually, I did read.
28:07They're like trying to move their practice facility. Well, it becomes a problem when the players believe it like that in and of itself.
28:14Like performances, confidence, confidence is execution. Hesitation affects execution.
28:16The funny part of the whole thing to me is that the two, there are like two or three coaches left that
28:22run actual like nineties, 1990s style, hard practices. And it's John Harbaugh who the players blame for him always getting hurt.
28:29And they're like, John Harbaugh's practices are too hard.
28:31And it's a flowers, like John Harbaugh. Like, I'm sorry.
28:34I'm happy to see him go. He was getting us hurt.
28:37And then there's like Kyle Shanahan and everyone's like, he's doing the hardest practices, sprints.
28:41Yeah. And then it's like, I wonder if it's the giant electrical substation.
28:45And it's like, well, maybe it's Kyle Shanahan runs some of the fucking bone every single year.
28:50And that's why as soon as he's shown up, everybody gets hurt every single fucking year.
28:55But whatever. The Mike Evans thing, DK, you joked all year last year and you were right that Devont Adams was basically
29:01a goal line receiver for the Rams. Like instead of a goal line running back, he was just like vulturing them.
29:07I mean, what did Devont Adams end up with?
29:10Like 11, like 12. This is off the top of my head.
29:13He had like seven or eight one yard touchdown.
29:16Yeah. He had 14 touchdowns, which led the NFL.
29:18Yeah. But double digits were from one or two or three yards out.
29:22He was basically Jimmy Graham, you know, just throw it up and go get it.
29:26And so my question is in fantasy, Mike Evans and Devontae feel like in a very difficult bucket because Devontae, you feel
29:33like that's probably going to happen again. But Mike Evans, do you look at him as like a Devontae Adams where you're
29:39like, okay, maybe his value is like spike weeks.
29:42He'll probably win you a couple weeks because he'll have two or three touchdowns in one week.
29:46But elsewhere, it's going to be like, ah, whatever.
29:49Or is there, what are the odds? I guess what I'm asking is what are the odds that you actually get one
29:55last vintage Mike Evans season of like 1300 yards and 14 touchdowns.
29:59And it's like incredible versus like, ah, it'll probably be a shell of himself because it's not necessarily going to be cheap
30:05because everyone understands big name and a cool offense.
30:08Like it's not going to be cheap to get Mike Evans necessarily.
30:11I can't tell. I feel like it's going to be league by league.
30:15I think some people might be like old washed Mike Evans is sitting next to like some sexy young guy like Luther Burden.
30:22It's like, Ooh, I want the upside of Luther Burden.
30:24When in reality, it's like, if you had to put all your chips down, would you say Mike Evans is going to
30:31have a better fantasy season than Luther Burden? I might because it's, it's Mike Evans and it's what Mike Evans does.
30:37Even if you look at like before last year, he was still kind of like all of his underlying stuff still look good.
30:43Like I think Mike Evans still has it and is still good.
30:47And I'm the age thing does not bother me at all.
30:50It's obviously just like, can he, can his hamstrings hold up?
30:53He's a fourth or fifth round pick right now.
30:56Probably a fourth round pick, you know, mid forties.
30:58It's funny because the names around him are actually a perfect exercise for this.
31:02Luther Burden for the bears as someone who hasn't done it yet, but man looks great.
31:07He looks, you know, tall and fast and sexy with the ball in his hands and has not put together a month.
31:13Nevermind his season. And then it's like Mike Evans, Cam Scadabo, young player off an injury, Terry McLaurin, who's kind of like a Mike Evans.
31:20And then like Jalen Waddell, who in theory, you're like, I can't take like, would you rather have the fastest kid alive?
31:27Who's on the Broncos and another guy that's changed teams and could have a huge season.
31:31And then you draft Jalen Waddell. Cause you talk yourself into it with off season brain.
31:36And then the season starts and Mike Evans is playing with Cal Shanahan.
31:40And you're like, holy shit, I probably should have done that.
31:43It's a lot of in theory guys around Mike Evans.
31:46Yes. I think, I think when Craig was laying out sort of the competition for targets in San Francisco right now, it
31:52does strike me as like, there's a pretty strong chance.
31:55Mike Evans just dominates targets in this offense. Ricky Pearsall, uh, I think has flashed, but he hasn't really proven anything.
32:01And also he's had issues with injuries. Um, Christian Kirk.
32:04Yeah. Fuck that guy for his injuries. He's had more, he's had more injuries than just getting shot.
32:09Let's put it that way. It's a funny way to put it.
32:12It's just, he should have been standing there. Right.
32:15Um, don't get the watch, but like, I mean, but like Craig, you're absolutely right.
32:19And I'm seeing, you know, training camp reports of Jacob cowing guys like that.
32:23Like this is a thin group at receiver right now, uh, relative to what we're used to.
32:28I think. And, and obviously if, if it takes kiddo a while to kind of get back and rolling the two, the
32:35two guys are going to get the ball. The most in this offense are Christian McCaffrey and Mike Evans, I think.
32:41And this has always been a good offense. They're going to score points.
32:44Brock pretty is going to put up good numbers almost surely.
32:48And I don't know. I feel like he, Mike Evans is being overlooked because of that.
32:52And I don't think stripling, I don't think Christian Kirk are going to get meaningful target rates where it's going to be taking away from Mike.
33:00No, I, I actually like stripling as the rookie.
33:02And I, I just don't think he's the kind of receiver in a Kyle Shannon offense that will have, he's going to get red shirted this year.
33:10Uh, that's very, uh, Kittle. I do think we'll have a better than average Achilles recovery just based on the articles I
33:16was reading about the, I guess the nature of his Achilles tear was the location of the kind of Terry had apparently
33:23it's easier to repair, but again, still tore his Achilles at the end of the season.
33:27You know, you never know how long that takes.
33:30So that's a good, that's a team we will monitor during August.
33:33Maybe we'll go, we'll bring our electric ray readers or whatever.
33:36The 49ers are a fascinating team, man, because obviously everyone's talking about the Rams right now, the Rams, Superbowl favorites, the Seahawks,
33:43obviously Superbowl defending champions and, and should be a very, very good team again.
33:47But then there's the 49ers who are sneaky good every year.
33:50If they can stay healthy. Um, and they have Shanahan that, you know, I just think the 49ers are going to be
33:56sort of one of those dark horse teams that everyone's like not wanting to play.
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34:45Gambling problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or 1-800-MY-RESET. The next guy here that I want to talk about at Switch Teams is Kirk Cousins left the Falcons.
34:52He was cut by the Falcons and then is going to play for the Raiders now.
34:57And he was basically told that he's the week one starter and that Fernando Mendoza obviously was taken number one out of undefeated national champion Heisman winning Indiana.
35:05And then is the number one pick for the Raiders.
35:08I really feel like Kirk Cousins might play three months or maybe most of the entire season.
35:13And a lot of people are kind of assuming that Kirk Cousins will be the honorary starter for one or three or four weeks.
35:20And then Fernando Mendoza will just take over. I think there's a really serious chance that Kirk Cousins plays longer than that.
35:26Again, he tours Achilles in 2023, struggled mightily coming back in 2024 and then finished 2025 like 4-0 and looked better.
35:32I want to play this clip of Tom Brady.
35:35This is from a few years ago talking. It's actually from Stephen A.
35:38Smith's podcast. I want to play the clip so people can hear why I really think there's a chance, but from ownership on down.
35:45But Cam, do you mind playing the Tom Brady clip?
35:48I didn't start my first year. I think it's just a tragedy that we're forcing these rookies to play early.
35:54But the reality is the only reason why they are is because we dumbed the game down, which has allowed them to play.
36:01It used to be thought of at a higher level.
36:03We used to spend hours and hours in the offseason and training camp trying to be a little bit better than next year.
36:10But I think what happens is it discourages the coaches from going to deep levels because they realize the players don't have
36:16the opportunity to go to a deep level. So they're just going to teach them where they're at.
36:22It's really fascinating. I mean, obviously, I think people talk about, oh, we let them sit and learn.
36:27Let them sit and learn. And I think that is the thing that people focus on.
36:31But the way that he was talking about is like the offenses are so much simpler and dumbed down and therefore easier to defend.
36:38I think that's another variable that people don't think about quite as much as, you know, and Kubiak coming in here, theoretically,
36:45run his offense with a veteran quarterback and you don't have to change a damn thing.
36:49You can do everything you want to do. Mendoza, I think, famously had two snaps under center or something like that in his last year in college.
36:57So that's a very fascinating point. And I think something I don't really think about a ton is that the offense gets
37:03dumbed down a lot, too, in addition to playing a guy with not very much experience.
37:08And you're talking about Kubiak as the head coach.
37:10You just came off winning a Super Bowl with the Seahawks offense because of how well designed it was.
37:16Yeah. It depends. Kirk Cousins has been with Clint Kubiak in Minnesota for two or three years.
37:21Like 2019 to 21, Kubiak was there with Kirk.
37:23Yeah, I don't think Mendoza is going to be a fantasy relevant player this year.
37:28No. And I don't think it's an issue for anyone else.
37:31I think for people like Brock Bowers or Jenty, I think it's totally OK.
37:35I don't think so. I think I really do feel that Kirk's going to play.
37:39And I know that it's basically what I'm arguing is it's dangerous.
37:43This is the exception that proves the rule. I agree that almost always, almost 100 percent of the time when they're like,
37:49oh, the number one pick won't play. It's lip service because the owner eventually is going to be like, I want this guy.
37:56And this is the exception that proves the rule.
37:58Turns out that the owner knows more about quarterbacking than everyone has ever lived.
38:02And this is what he thinks. And the owner is going to get what he wants.
38:07It just happens that he wants a different thing, which he thinks in his bones that the quarterback should sit.
38:12I'm like, OK, as long as Kirk plays like last year and not the year before, I think I don't think it has any fantasy relevance at all.
38:21I don't think Kirk Cousins will be a fantasy relevant player.
38:24Mendoza is more rushing, obviously, than Kirk Cousins. What it means to me is I think Brock Bowers specifically and Ashton Jenty
38:30will be underrated this year because I think that the Raiders offense there, I am not worried about Mendoza coming in and there being a rookie dip.
38:38I think Brock Bowers is going to be the Jackson Smith and Jigbo of this offense where every play is going to
38:44be about getting the ball to Bowers. And I want Brock Bowers in every team on fantasy this year.
38:50And if I'm wrong, then that'll suck. But I can't miss a Brock Bowers season where there's a chance that Brock Bowers
38:56is as a tight end top three and every in targets and catches and yards.
39:00And I just if that's on the table, I can't miss that.
39:04And so in a world where I think Kirk Cousins really could play from Thanksgiving to Christmas or more, I don't think
39:10there'll be any drop off for the Raiders offense.
39:13I think the risk here is talking about this in July and when the Raiders start losing games again and everyone starts to get that butt pucker.
39:20I was just about to say that. It's like they're one in four and Kirk doesn't look good.
39:26It's so hard. It depends on how they play.
39:28Obviously, if Kirk Cousins plays horribly, that's one thing.
39:31But I think that first of all, Kirk Cousins finished 4-0 with the Falcons.
39:35I know. I think it really does depend on a lot of things.
39:38But I'm just saying it's really hard. I mean, it's easy to talk about it now.
39:43But once the season starts, it gets really, really hard for T.
39:47And this is Kubiak first year as a head coach.
39:49He might only get one shot at this. You know what I mean?
39:53And so it is very that's why it's so hard for these teams to be disciplined and not put in a young quarterback before he's fully, fully ready.
40:01You almost never see a first overall pick sit for very long.
40:05I guess what I'm saying is I'm not even trying to say that it will never happen for a number one pick
40:11to sit and it's impossible that he plays. But there's never been a better opportunity for a number one pick to sit
40:17ever than Tom Brady getting to run the team and saying, I don't think he should fucking play.
40:22But if Kirk Cousins sucks, basically, if the Raiders, I guess to your point, if the Raiders are bad and Kirk's playing
40:29well, I don't think he'll sit even then. If the Raiders are fine and Kirk is the problem, if Kirk's slowing down
40:35the team, then they could be playing OK and he still could get replaced.
40:39But it's about Kirk's level to me. Look at the schedule is good.
40:43Good God. I feel bad for the Raiders already.
40:45Starts off the season relatively like Dolphins. And then you go to Chargers, Saints.
40:49Week four, you have Chiefs. Week five, Patriots. Week six, Bills.
40:53Week seven, Rams. Week eight, they go back to the Jets.
40:56Then you get week nine, 49ers. Week 10, Seahawks.
40:58Week 11, Broncos. To me, it's like... Good Lord.
41:01The fact that they brought in Kirk Cousins specifically tells you everything you need to know.
41:06Like when you look at other first overall picks or top five quarterback picks, like usually it's the backup is Case Keenum or Gardner Minshew.
41:13And it's like those guys are clearly... Or Mitch Trubisky.
41:16It's like they're going to play for... It's a fake competition.
41:19Yeah. And it's like maybe they'll play for two or three games until everyone gets itchy.
41:23And then the highly touted pick comes in. Kirk is like an established quarterback who was playing well last year.
41:29Who has a relationship with Kubiak. It just feels much more secure that this guy's actually meant to be somebody who could go the entire season.
41:37And it's not like a fake Jacoby Brissette is our starter storyline.
41:40And I also... And the part... And I know I'm like harping on this and I've been harping on it for months.
41:46But the part of the clip from Brady that I cut out is Brady starts the clip by saying, I didn't get handed a job.
41:54He's like, I started by being the seventh quarterback at Michigan.
41:57And I worked my butt off to get to the third quarterback who then became the starter.
42:02Then I went to the league and I was a six-round pick who had to grind to be the backup.
42:07And then I sat my entire rookie year. And I think he literally has the whole thing about you are worse if you're handed things.
42:15You will be better if you have to earn it.
42:17And he really doesn't... Like, I really think in Brady's bones he doesn't want Mendoza to feel in any way that he's entitled to this job.
42:25And as soon as Kirk stumbles, he's going to get it.
42:28Like, he's like, you have to beat Kirk. And we'll see how that happens.
42:32But we'll see. And again, Kirk Cousins could pull a calf in week two and Mendoza's plays the entire year.
42:38Like, that's also possible. Also, I do think Fernando Mendoza's mentality is kind of perfect for like this setup.
42:43Like, you know what I mean? There are certain types of guys who probably waltz in and are like, what the fuck?
42:50I'm not starting. I'm the number one overall pick.
42:52Like, Mendoza, I feel like actually understands the process and is willing to go through it.
42:57Unlike McCarthy, who kind of... JJ McCarthy, who kind of fake understood it.
43:01So we'll see what happens there. And again, for fantasy, I think it just...
43:05And again, I don't think you even have to agree with me.
43:08I think that if you agree with what I'm saying, I would take Brock Bowers.
43:12And if you guys... If you're kind of like, you think I'm an idiot, then stay away from him.
43:18I think that's really the answer to me. The next play...
43:21Speaking of quarterbacks who change teams. So Tua went from Miami.
43:24I'm an uncle, so I can't pronounce the name anymore.
43:27But Tua went from Miami. So now he's at Atlanta.
43:30Which again, is a new situation. Because Matt Ryan is now...
43:33Went from CBS to running the Falcons. And then Russell Wilson's going to replace Matt Ryan in CBS.
43:38But Matt Ryan... The reason I bring that up is like not the guy who drafted Michael Penix Jr.
43:44So now there's a competition between Michael Penix Jr.
43:46Coming off a... Surgery to repair an ACL. For the third time.
43:50And Tua, who was previously kind of known as the most fragile quarterback.
43:54And you have a fragile quarterback off in Atlanta between two quarterbacks who...
43:57DK, I feel like stylistically have almost... At least when you compare passing charts and watch them, almost nothing in common.
44:03They're both left-handed though. That's the irony of them being left-handed.
44:06Is that's the only thing that they place... The only similarity they have.
44:10Same. Yeah. This is such a fascinating team too.
44:13I kind of keep forgetting that Kevin Stefanski is the Falcons coach now.
44:17You know, a well-respected two-time coach of the year.
44:19And going in there, trying to read the tea leaves of what he would prefer.
44:23I think maybe the more experienced guy in Tua.
44:26But again, they have a lot riding on Penix being the guy.
44:29They obviously picked him in the top 10. So, I don't know.
44:33It's one of those interesting scenarios where I could see it go either way.
44:37I really... If I had to pick right now, I think maybe it's Penix starting.
44:41But it wouldn't be that surprising to me if Tua actually ends up the starter and plays for like half the year.
44:48And letting Penix kind of get fully, fully healthy.
44:50Well, the thing with Tua to me is like DK.
44:53How much do you think Tua's success? Yes. How much of the pie do you give to Mike McDaniel calling plays and Tyree Kill and Jalen Waddle?
45:01And the combination of that environment versus like Tua's good.
45:0470% environment or whatever. Like, you know what I mean?
45:07Like, I think Tua's accurate. He can get rid of the ball quickly.
45:10He's decisive as a passer for the most part.
45:13And I think those are some traits you can work with.
45:16But I don't think physically... I think he's really low on the list in terms of just physical traits, his ability to throw.
45:23Like, Craig, you've talked about this for years. Like, every one of his deep balls is like fielding a punt.
45:28Fielding punts! They have to come back for it.
45:31The back of the jersey faces the end zone when they catch Tua back.
45:35Yeah, he just does not have the physical talent that...
45:38I mean, he dislocated his hip in college. He had a massive, massive injury.
45:42I think you can obviously point to that in terms of he just doesn't have the juice on the football that you want.
45:49And he can't move. He can't throw on the move.
45:51So that really limits what you're doing in the offense.
45:54So I think you have to design an offense that gets the ball out quickly.
45:59And that's exactly what Mike McDaniel did. Now, if you look at the freaking skill group with the Falcons, it's pretty freaking good.
46:05Between Drake London, Kyle Pitts, and Bijan Robinson. So there's things that they can do here.
46:10But I don't think Tua's very good. And I think they're behooved to try and develop Michael Penix still.
46:15Tua, I agree with every... I co-sign everything DK is saying.
46:18Tua, and this is Mike McDaniel's words, not mine.
46:21Tua is a point guard. Now, my words are Tua is a short point guard who can't create his own shot.
46:27He's really limited. He's a limited player. Yeah. But he is able to run the offense and get through things quickly.
46:33Now, some people might go through the tape and say sometimes he's actually going...
46:37He's kind of like not the different than someone who shows the play on Madden before you snap the ball and decide where you're going.
46:44He knows where he's going. Yeah, sometimes you throw it anyway.
46:47And you're like, oh. But the whole thing is he makes decisions quickly.
46:51I will say this. I think if there is a sin, I think we and most people in fantasy football telling you
46:58who to take before the season make is you kind of forget the lived experience of the week-to-week changes every week.
47:04And when I look at Atlanta, when Tua... And I think Tua and Penix will both play this season.
47:09Who knows in what order? Tua is playing. When Tua is playing, I think Bijan Robinson will absolutely be the number one
47:15running back in fantasy football solely because of all the dump-offs.
47:19The same way Devon Achan was like the best...
47:21You know, was top two in targets and yards.
47:24Like 80 catches. Yeah. Yeah. The amount of screens and dump-offs that Bijan Robinson will get when Tua is playing is unbelievable.
47:30But when Penix is playing, Drake London was like up there with Puka Nakua in all these receiving categories because Penix is
47:36pushing the ball downfield, giving himself chances, giving Drake London shots.
47:40And then Drake London had a PCL injury, which is knee stability, right around the time that Penix was replaced by Kirk Cousins.
47:46But I think there's a reason that when Kirk Cousins came in, Kyle Pitts was just like the top tight end, the best stretch of his entire career.
47:54Because Kirk Cousins is closer to Tua at this point where he's getting the ball out processing.
47:59And so I think there's going to be tremendous whiplash between the quarterbacks.
48:03When Penix is playing, Drake London's a top six receiver.
48:06But when Tua is playing, I think it's going to be much more Kyle Pitts and Bijan.
48:11And we'll have to see how they end up dividing the play time.
48:14There's a lot of Raiders vibes here in terms of...
48:17I think Tua probably right now fits the offense.
48:20At least we picture Stefanski wanting to run where it's like run the ball, play action, play from under center, things like that.
48:26And maybe that's what will end up happening is Tua will be the starter just because he can run that offense more
48:33effectively and won't have to be developed quite as much.
48:36But then late in the season, you see Penix take over.
48:39I don't know. It does feel like similar vibes where veteran versus young guy and the coach going with the guy that
48:45can run his offense a little bit. Well, young guy...
48:48Michael Penix's problem is that he's only played 14 games, 12 starts.
48:51So he's a young player in terms of experience.
48:54And then also, I mean, how many quarterbacks left have had three ACL surgeries?
48:58Yeah. It's a weird mix. The whiplash, the literal difference in velocity that the football will be thrown with between Tua and Penix in practice.
49:05It's like a donut on the bat versus taking it off.
49:08The ball is going to be hitting people in the face.
49:12They're going to be like, whoa! You know, there is something to that though.
49:16It is a real thing with the velocity difference.
49:18We always joke, but how often do we see a backup quarterback come in and then the fourth receiver on the team
49:24leads the team in receiving the next week because they've actually been practicing together all year?
49:29Yeah, yeah. It is a thing of knowing the ball.
49:32When the ball's getting there, it's really a half step or a step.
49:36It's like being in the right place. Have you ever played catch with somebody who was a quarterback in college or maybe
49:42even high school versus just your buddy? It sucks.
49:45It is such a difference in the velocity. It hurts your hands.
49:48You almost have to get your head out of the way as the ball's coming at you.
49:53I do feel like there's a little bit of that with Tua and Penix.
49:57Throwing slants or an out or something like that, very different.
50:00I don't know. I'm nervous about the Falcons this year.
50:03I feel like every year the Falcons have the...
50:06It's like a car with the coolest tires and they got a spoiler on the back and there's a cool decal and nobody can fucking drive it.
50:13I do feel that way. It's two very different drivers.
50:16Speaking of the Miami diaspora spreading around the league, so then Tua leaves Miami and then DK Malik Willis leaves from the
50:23Packers back up to Jordan Love last year to sign in Miami.
50:26Obviously, so Jeff Halfley, who is the defensive coordinator of the Green Bay, takes the Miami job and then also an executive...
50:32Was it John? Not Eric. John Eric Adams. John Eric Sullivan.
50:35John Eric Sullivan. I'm combining Eric Adams. John Eric Sullivan leaves from the Packers front office to be the Miami GM.
50:42So it's like two Packers guys leave, bring Malik Willis with them.
50:45And no one's quite sure the ratio of it's because they believe in Malik Willis versus they're like, this is a great
50:51way to lose with a very nice, lovely young man in Malik Willis.
50:55And then he'll be our Patsy as we get the number one pick.
50:59Deacon, do you think Malik Willis is good or do you think he's the fall guy?
51:03God. Somewhere in the middle, not to be a total fence sitter.
51:07I think he... I think... I don't feel strongly that he's going to develop into a top-tier quarterback just based on the situation that he's falling into.
51:15However, when you look at the things that he did in Green Bay, in the Green Bay system, I'm like, damn, this guy's...
51:21He's actually performing really well, especially relative to expectations.
51:24I mean, if you look at the games he started and through...
51:27And or came in as a backup and threw more than 10 passes, he averaged 11 yards per attempt.
51:3352% success rate. He was running all over the place.
51:36He was actually hard to defend. It was an extremely small sample.
51:39And it was in the LeFleur system. So who the fuck knows what he's going to be now?
51:44I think it's also very funny, the stark and dramatic difference between Green Bay and Miami, like as cities...
51:50Oh my God. Like, it's Green Bay South now, Packers South in Miami is just like the funniest change.
51:55It couldn't be more different. They're the most different places in any professional sports in America, right?
52:00Green Bay is the smallest city that has a pro team.
52:03So... The stadium's in a neighborhood in the middle of Wisconsin.
52:06That's just wild. So I think Willis is going to be...
52:09He is this year, from a fantasy point of view, he's this year's Justin Fields, but with like a couple pluses next to his name.
52:17I think he's a better passer. I think he's already proven to be a better passer, even in the small sample that
52:23we've seen, than Justin Fields ever was. He's just...
52:26Fields was just late on everything. I think Willis at least has shown us that he can, in a very well-designed system, execute it.
52:32And I think... So I saw this stat from Jared Smola.
52:36In Willis' three starts with the Titans, his pass rate was 36%.
52:39And his three starts with the Packers, it was 37%.
52:42So they're going to run the fuck out of the ball.
52:45They kept Devon Achan. So he's going to be at least getting the football a lot.
52:50Their receiver core is absolutely a year in flux.
52:52Don't expect much from the passing game at all.
52:55But obviously, from a fantasy point of view, Willis could go off because he's going to be running the ball a lot.
53:01There's going to be a lot of design runs and a lot of scrambling.
53:05Because this receiver core... I mean, the receiver core is laughable.
53:08Jalen Tolbert, Tutu Atwell, and Malik Washington are the three presumptive starters.
53:12Then you have three rookies in Chris Bell, Caleb Douglas, and Kevin Coleman kind of developing behind those guys.
53:17So this is going to be a lot of running.
53:20A lot of probably low-scoring games because they're just running the football.
53:24I think Willis and Achan are the only guys in this office.
53:27It's weird. I feel like we have to talk about the Dolphins as a real team before we talk about them in fantasy because it feels disingenuous otherwise.
53:35I feel like the worst two teams in football this year by a lot will be the Dolphins and the Cardinals.
53:41They have two of the hardest schedules in the NFL per Warren Sharp.
53:45I mean, the Dolphins, if you just look at their schedule, it's kind of hilarious.
53:49They're really not trying. The receiving core they've put around is like one of the worst groups I've ever seen.
53:55But I really do think that they're trying. They're actually tanking.
53:58And I don't even feel bad saying that because Stephen Ross, I mean, Brian Flores has put in legal documents that he
54:05says Stephen Ross offered him money to tank. You know what I mean?
54:08I do think the Dolphins are trying to lose, but Malik Willis as a player, I think has a lot of adjectives that don't go together.
54:16The, I mean, coming out of college, he's a third round pick where there was tremendous questions about his ability to process
54:22NFL, you know, offenses and stuff just because of the system he ran.
54:26And now after spending two years in Tennessee and two years in Green Bay, I think he's, I think he's very disciplined with the football, Malik Willis.
54:34Like I think that he protects the ball and I actually think that Matt LaFleur really liked the way he ran the
54:40ball or he ran the offense in Green Bay.
54:42Malik Willis is not that big. He's only, I mean, he's only six one.
54:46And yet I think he's the fastest quarterback in the NFL.
54:50I think at this point, with Lamar's, the injuries Lamar Jackson's picked up.
54:53I think Malik Willis is actually faster than Lamar Jackson, maybe not as agile.
54:57And then Malik Willis also has an absolute cannon.
55:00Like he can throw the ball. Now to you, I think you're a hundred percent right that he's this year's Justin Fields.
55:06He's not as big. Justin Fields is like kind of like a line, like could be a defensive player.
55:12He's so big and fast, but Malik Willis, I think I say much, what he lacks in height.
55:17He is a much better sense of like how to run an offense in a way that Justin Fields just really was
55:23never able to like process the ball, looping, throwing motion.
55:26I just late. I want to be in Malik Willis, but for fantasy purposes, this is such a bad team that I
55:32do wonder if he's, do you remember Blake Bortles like eight years ago when the Jaguars would be losing every game and
55:39then Blake Bortles would kind of pick up like 30 rushing yards and a rushing touchdown in the fourth quarter.
55:45I feel like that's what Malik Willis will be is that he has seven points at halftime.
55:4912 times a game. Yes. And it's like, they're going to be down 20 points and the defense will be in prevent.
55:56And I kind of think Malik Willis is going to average like 30 rushing yards and a half a touchdown every game in the fourth quarter.
56:03Obviously you can't project that, but I do wonder if that's the kind of season this is going to be because the
56:10Dolphins might be that bad, but it's hard to like go into a season and be like, you should bet on that.
56:16Bet on this person because the team will be so bad.
56:19Yeah. I, I don't think I'm going to be there this year on, on Malik Willis.
56:24I mean, like, look, this guy has started three games.
56:27It's crazy. He has started three games and I do feel like there is a big difference in Matt LaFleur game planning
56:33specifically to make it work with Malik Willis versus he's just starting 17 games on a terrible team.
56:38I, I, sure. With a tough schedule. If you want to try to be like Justin Fields on the jets, there were
56:44some games where he would run for 50 yards and a touchdown and he would eat 20 fantasy points.
56:50Like you, if you want to rely on that, be my guest.
56:53But I, I, I like this team is tanking and they brought in Malik Willis because they brought in Malik Willis.
56:59You know what I mean? I feel bad for him.
57:02No, I think he's like Ted Lasso. He's the nicest guy ever.
57:06He's the guy. Remember he was giving his combine clothes to a homeless person in Indianapolis.
57:10Yeah. He's like the nice, it's like Ted Lasso.
57:13He's a, he's a very nice person, lovable. And he's, he's a fall guy.
57:17They're trying to lose. Truly gifted runner. But I'm just like, I don't know.
57:21I think the question is fantasy. It's like, if you're in a league with 12 teams and you're start one quarterback, I
57:27don't think Malik Willis is going to be one of the starting quarterbacks on your team.
57:32Super flex. I do think there's a chance he's the number two guy and you hope that he runs for 900 yards this year.
57:39But I was like, I do not think he's a top 15 quarterback.
57:42It's weird because Malik Willis to me is a good, in theory would be a really good pairing.
57:48Like if you drafted like Joe Burrow or, you know, a great pocket passing quarterback and you're like, Oh, I would love
57:54to have a backup quarterback with rushing upside. Malik Willis would be great.
57:58But the problem is he's fast enough in a rusher enough that you're not going to be able to get a great
58:04discount on him, but you'd so much rather pick a quarterback earlier and get like Jaden Daniels than stake your season to Malik Willis.
58:11To your point, Malik Willis has thrown for more than 200 yards in a game twice.
58:16He's thrown for more than 140 yards in a game twice.
58:19It's just not. Yeah. Well, look in his three starts, here's his rushing totals.
58:23Six carries 41 yards, six carries 73 yards at a touchdown, nine carries 60 yards and two touchdowns.
58:28Like that's, that is legitimately sustainable from a fantasy perspective.
58:31He can do that. But again, I like one of them was week 17 against Baltimore.
58:35It's like he lost two of these three games.
58:38They're not scoring a lot of points. And I'm just like this, the dolphins are, are actively bad and the Packers are actively good.
58:45So I don't know. He's just, I think he's like a, you know, an 11th or 12th round upside pick.
58:51And he's the kind of guy that maybe you cut.
58:53I know it's a, it's a weird player. Well, he's, I don't know what to do with him.
58:59But speaking of people, I don't know what to do with.
59:02Seriously. I actually don't know what to do with this guy.
59:05So DK, I'm excited. I can make it simple for you.
59:08Don't draft him. Jalen Waddle is now on the Broncos for a first round pick.
59:12DK, go ahead. I mean, maybe this, maybe this is the year.
59:16it will be different because I think obviously with the shot, this is Jalen Waddle, not Malik Willis.
59:21Now Jalen Waddle traded for a first round pick to the Denver Broncos.
59:25Obviously this is a good system, an up and coming and still ascending quarterback and Bo Nix, the Broncos, I will say
59:31fourth and pass attempts per game last year. So there is, this is a situation theoretically where Waddle could have a career
59:37year and be the best that we've ever seen.
59:40But it is still a question of how much to Sean Payton wanting to rotate his guys is, is, is Waddle going
59:46to be an 80 plus snap type of player or is he going to be one of like, if you look at
59:53last year's team Sutton, Cortland Sutton had 80 something, 5% of the snaps.
59:56And then the next closest was 58% of snaps.
59:59It was a rotation behind that. Waddle is obviously a different level talent wise.
60:03Yeah. You could argue that's because no one was good enough to earn 80% of the snaps.
60:08So maybe this is the year where it's Sutton and Waddle and everybody else kind of rotates.
60:13And then Waddle, I think we'll have a lot more value.
60:16Um, then maybe I'm expecting, but again, it is, it's just kind of been my bit that I don't really want to
60:22bet on, you know, the whims of Sean Payton, how he decides to rotate his guys, how he decides to, um, design an offense weekend and week out.
60:30What you, and I think it's more of a thing with the running backs this year than it is with receivers, because
60:37I do think very likely it's going to be Sutton and Waddle and everybody else.
60:41What do you think the sentiment is going to be around Waddle and fantasy drafts?
60:45Is it going to be like a, Ooh, Jalen Waddle, I, that guy's fast and good.
60:50And now he's on the Broncos with Bo Nix, or is it going to be Jalen Waddle has been irrelevant in fantasy for three years.
60:57And I've had a Broncos wide receiver before. So I'm good.
61:00I think it depends on if you've had Jalen Waddle, because I think like, I mean, Craig, I, the last just year
61:07or two, I think Waddle has been the player we've hated the most, even more than Kyle Pitts.
61:12Yeah. We, I mean, we invented the Waddle model because of the feeling of seeing a projection every week that looks good, that he never hits.
61:19And that is the Jalen Waddle. He's projected for 12.
61:22He scores seven every week. A negative. And then Sean Payton for DK is, I don't think other than maybe Arthur Smith,
61:28there's any coach that has been more frustrated at DK in the entire time we've been doing this than Sean Payton.
61:34And my question is, is this the, a classic, you know, two negatives, you know, but if you multiply, it is a positive.
61:41And so it is, I don't think I have to explain how Sean Payton could fuck us and just like make it indecipherable where it's Jalen Waddle.
61:49You play in week one, he gets no targets.
61:51And then week two, he gets 40 points. And then you play him, he gets zero and it steps.
61:57Snap. That seems like super hot possible. My fear is that we hate Jalen Waddle.
62:01We hate Sean Payton. We write him off. We're like, don't draft him.
62:05Don't have toxic people in your life. And then it's like, Oh yeah, he's going to be like faster.
62:10Michael Thomas and Jalen Waddle will just like lead the league in targets and yards and touchdowns.
62:15And we just miss because here's my fear. The range that Jalen Waddle is going in.
62:20Do you feel like any of these other players could lead the league in anything?
62:24It's like Garrett Wilson, Luther Burden. I'm just talking about the receivers, Luther Burden, Mike Evans, Terry McLaurin, Jalen Waddle, Devante Adams, Jameson Williams.
62:31I, you know, in a world like, I feel like, unless you want to be like, okay, Devante Adams could lead the league in touchdowns for Mike Evans.
62:39Sure. But is any of these people actually a candidate to lead the NFL in receiving yards?
62:44Like no fucking way. And then you look at Jalen Waddle, you're like, yeah, it wouldn't be weird.
62:49I simultaneously think Waddle is a post type sleeper and I won't be touching him.
62:54Just mainly because of stubbornness. He's 27. Yeah. I think he's probably, I think he's more likely to have over perform over expectation this year than not.
63:01I think, I think right now I'm seeing his average draft positions like the wide receiver 24.
63:06Like I think he'll be 47th pick. So yeah, it's like a, you know, he's like a middle fourth round pick.
63:12He's going behind Mike Evans, which. Yeah. I think that it's more likely that he is, he is not a very highly sought after pick and fantasy.
63:20Like, I don't think there are going to be many people reaching for Jalen Waddle.
63:24I think you will be likely to just wait and get him.
63:28And he ends up being a decent pick more so than like, people think he's some sexy.
63:33I, I think he's a classic. There's going to be camp hype guy.
63:36We'll see. And again, I'm curious the role of Sean Payton envisions for him.
63:40And I want to dive more into that, but my, this is like the cold remove of the, once you remove the
63:47emotions from the season, I'm like, he is clearly the best highest upside player you could draft in this range.
63:53I don't think it's really close. And also, it's also the one that can make you feel stupid, but like, I don't know.
63:59What are the odds? The idea of taking Garrett Wilson before Waddle.
64:03I, I, I don't know. The other thing that, that I'm going to be using to protect myself in this whole thing,
64:09because of my longstanding Sean Payton, like bit slash hatred is Davis web is now the OC.
64:14It's not even Sean Payton calling plays. So theoretically, Davis web has a different idea of how to rotate players and how
64:20to design the offense and how to, and who he's going to go to weekend and week out.
64:25You know, I think there is questions like we've, we've said how long Davis web lasts as the play caller, hopefully more than a few weeks.
64:33Um, but I do think it is notable that Sean Payton will not be calling plays at least theoretically early in the
64:39year until probably week three, but yeah, right. Until he's like, okay, fuck this.
64:43Yeah. So I, yeah. Well, mid fourth run pick.
64:46I think at that point, I don't think he'll settle there.
64:49I think he'll move up. Uh, the next guy here that I want to talk about change needs, Kyler Murray, who is
64:55now on the Minnesota Viking Cardinals cut Kyler Murray and then Minnesota got him for like, we basically minimum deal.
65:01It's pretty similar to like the Russell Wilson thing.
65:04Yeah. It feels like an absolute coup. And I think Minnesota is immediately back in the playoff.
65:08It's like a, the Seahawks and Rams are the best teams in the NFC.
65:12And I think Minnesota now could be right there competing to be the third best team in the conference.
65:18Oh, I think, I mean, I, it could be hard for them to be the third best team in their division, but
65:24I agree with you that there'll be much better, but I do think I'm leaning on being a fan of this.
65:30And I think I'm going to be talking myself into Kyler Murray.
65:34Yeah. He's making 1 million bucks. He's from everything you read is extremely excited.
65:38And it appears motivated to like turn this ship around.
65:41And he's 29 years old. He played five games last year.
65:44Then he had a foot injury, missed the whole season.
65:47There was, you know, talk of a soft benching.
65:49Could he have come back? They were terrible. They lost like a million straight games.
65:54The couple of things struck me when looking into this, Kyler Murray has basically never not been a top 12 fantasy quarterback
66:00or scored less than like 17 fantasy points a game.
66:03I removed this season. He came back from the ACL where he did not look like himself.
66:08Now looking at the Vikings with Kevin O'Connell, basically other than JJ McCarthy, Kevin O'Connell has never not had a top 12
66:14fantasy quarterback that he has coached or has a guy that scored less than 17 fantasy points per game.
66:19So if you combine those two things, you're basically saying, I think Kyler Murray's, Kyler Murray's floor is a top 12 quarterback right now.
66:26He's going, he's like a fringe top 20, I would say in drafts.
66:30And he's stepping into a team with Justin Jefferson, Jordan Addison, and they brought in Juwan Jennings, which is another new guy
66:36in a new team, which I kind of forgot about.
66:39I forgot about that too. Yeah. Yes. So look, I, I, the system in Minnesota seems very complicated and it's very tough,
66:46but looking at what Darnold did, looking at what Kirk did in the year before he went down with his Achilles injury,
66:52like Kirk was the QB six in the year he went down with his Achilles and Darnold was a top 10 quarterback.
66:58And so Kyler Murray's 29. I, I think you saw a little bit in the five games last year with like his
67:05legs seemed to come back a little bit. I still think there's some rushing potential with them.
67:09I don't know. I kind of think this is like, there's obviously a lot of risk involved here, but like from where
67:16you can get them, this is like kind of a cheap shot of the guy, maybe being like a top 10 quarterback on a good offense playing indoors.
67:24I don't know. I totally agree. I think the funny thing about quarterback this year.
67:28So let's just say you're the last person to take a quarterback in a 12 team league.
67:33So you're the 12th quarterback off the board. One of these people will fall to you.
67:38Trevor Lawrence, Jalen hurts, Justin Herbert, Jackson dart, Kyler Murray, Bo Nix, or reigning MVP, Matthew Stafford, or Dak Prescott.
67:43One of those people like, like, and that's 14.
67:46That would go to the fourth. Like you will have, you will get to pick between three of those people.
67:52And I think that to me is an argument for why maybe you should win a quarterback this year.
67:57Cause the idea that Kyler Murray could very reasonably be the last of the starting quarterbacks taken.
68:02And if he's not, you'll get to pick between like Dak Stafford or like Bo Nix or something.
68:07I think is pretty remarkable. And I totally agree.
68:10Craig, I think Kyler Murray's floor is to be where you draft him and it's all ceiling.
68:15Whereas a lot of the guys like can dip low, but I, I, I think Kyler Murray, frankly, is probably the most
68:21underrated player in the NFL at this point, because Kyler, I think at this point people have forgotten how talented he is
68:27and how incredible he is in the body language and the memes being in Arizona is a wasteland football at wise.
68:33And then just the video game, the call of duty dropping the memes toward the end of the season.
68:39I think people have forgotten how fucking talented Kyler Murray is.
68:42I also think it's funny. This is just one thing to take into account, but the way that Justin Jefferson talks about Kyler Murray is very funny.
68:50If you read between the lines, especially he's like, he just knows how to put touch on the ball.
68:55And it's just such a, such a shot across the bow of the other quarterback who's there right now.
69:01But yeah, I think, I think Justin Jefferson is extremely excited about this and, you know, for lack of a better word,
69:07it's like, he's like a real quarterback right now.
69:10Cause Justin, JJ McCarthy is still, I think developing.
69:12I don't know if he's going to be a starter ever in the league at this point, but like Kyler Murray has
69:19multiple years, starting multiple years of production in terms of running an offense that can score point.
69:23So, um, I think we are turned off obviously by the personality and the, it's a bad taste in your mouth.
69:29I get it. Kyler Murray has been like, the last three years have been very tricky with him in fantasy.
69:35So, and, and I will say, Kyler, the one thing that's weird is that mini camp and OTAs, it's like Murray and McCarthy are splitting reps.
69:43And I feel like you, you read what Darnold has said about playing in Minnesota and how hard it was and how
69:49it took him every minute of the off season to like learn the system.
69:53Um, I, I'm very curious to see when training camp comes, if they just allow Kyler to take all the reps or how long they split that.
70:01Cause I do think that plays a factor and that will hurt him if he's splitting first team reps all August.
70:07So I, I get what you're saying. I mean, Darnold had to beat up Daniel Jones though, too.
70:12So, I mean, I, I get what you, I think you're right.
70:15I think, I do think Kyler will get more reps as August comes.
70:19Can I ask you guys a question? Is the definitive fantasy strategy that you're pretty easy?
70:24You draft Kyler Murray and then you trade him before November 26, which is when GTA six comes out.
70:29Like imagine Kyler loves call today. Imagine GTA six comes out and then Kyler, like you got it.
70:34You got just, you know, pump and dump scheme.
70:37The pump and dump. If he loves video games so much, he should do the VR Jane Daniels.
70:42Maybe that's kind of the perfect, combination. That could, maybe it's like, Hey, what if we just make football a video game for you?
70:49Arizona's. Oh, do you think, do you think there's a Madden?
70:52Ender's game. He doesn't even know he's playing football.
70:55Exactly. Just call it GTA, but it's, but it's, all the guys are on the football field though.
71:00Hey, Kyler, GTA came out. There's also, this is kind of his last shot, right?
71:04Like he's got to understand. No, there's no future after this.
71:08If he fucks it up again, I don't think that's true.
71:11You don't think that he, if he, if he can't succeed in, in Minnesota, do you think he's done?
71:16Well, what is, what does that mean? As a starter?
71:19Compete, getting to be handed starter or competing to be a starter?
71:22If it's a disaster, I don't think he's locked into start in 2027 on the team.
71:27I think it's now or never for him. So there's an urgency maybe that there was.
71:32Now we're never. Is it? I, I, I'm, maybe I'm being too hard on your, just now we're never in a world
71:38where Sam Darnold won a Superbowl after being a backup in the Niners.
71:42Like, and I think people would have said what you're saying now about Darnold three years ago and at world where Daniel
71:48Jones is tearing his Achilles and then being still getting 50 million a year to be a starter.
71:53I, I, I wouldn't say now was like now or never for Kyler.
71:57I would say. It's so crazy. What, what going to the Niners does?
72:01Like the way Darnold speaks about his, his time in San Francisco and how it changed his brain.
72:06Like if I, I would start to, if I were like a different GM and I, I would start to send backup
72:12quarterbacks who I think have potential to the Niners.
72:15I would like negotiate a deal where it's like, you can, I will, they'll pay for you to tutor this backup quarterback
72:21for a year and then send him back. That exists.
72:24You know what it is? It's that's how loans work in European soccer is you loan them to a lesser team and
72:30they're like, he won't play so much here, but he's playing time.
72:34Will you like this? He's going to get reps there.
72:37That really is what they should do. They should loan quarterbacks to Kyle Shannon.
72:41And then you could recall them. I mean, the thing I think about is Mac Jones who was good last year when
72:47Brock Purdy was hurt and is back again in San Francisco.
72:50I'm like two years. We've seen him look good.
72:53Like Mac Jones. I would absolutely take a gamble on Mac Jones in 2027.
72:57Mac Jones. I cannot get over the video of him at the tight end university thing.
73:01He's just like, he looked like he was high.
73:04Talk about dad bod. He's having the best time.
73:07He's having the time of his life. So are we all doing Kyler, at least until GTA six comes out?
73:12Yeah. Like, this experiment, which who knows? Maybe it'll be Kyler.
73:15There's an element of Kyle pits with Kyler Murray, where I'm like, God damn it.
73:20Do I have to be in on this guy again?
73:23I feel like it's just so annoying to do it, but yeah, I'm kind of, I just believe in the motivation of it all.
73:30I do think matters. It's like saying like moment, like when people say momentum in sports doesn't exist.
73:35I do feel like the motivation for Kyler is, is important this year.
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74:10Eastern, 5 p.m. Pacific. And we're live on match day as Doug reaches for a Buffalo wing.
74:15He's got it. Oh, and he's gone for a can of Pepsi too.
74:18What a finish. There's no doubt about it. It just tastes better.
74:22Match days deserve Pepsi. The next guy here, the running back formerly known as Travis Etienne, who is now Travis Etienne for the New Orleans Saints.
74:29He went from Jacksonville to New Orleans, signed for $12 million a year.
74:33I think the Saints are going to be pretty good, man.
74:36I kind of, the more I look at it, I think the Saints are going to win this division.
74:42And I, I was probably more wrong about Tyler Shuck than anyone in the draft last year.
74:47I kind of like pretty, I was very dismissive, frankly, of Tyler Shuck being a 26 year old rookie who had like four season ending injuries.
74:54And I should have doubled down. I watched like a 20 minute highlight of him on YouTube last year in the draft cycle.
75:01And I remember being like, I think my take this year is going to be that Tyler Shuck is good.
75:06And then I bailed like a coward, but he does look pretty good.
75:10He looked good. You saw the play where he was like, ah, don't hit me.
75:15All right. Well, you know what? Turned out he learned.
75:17He was a lot like Derek Carr, but it turned out he learned to get the ball out out of necessity.
75:23Necessity is the mother's invention. And that motherfucker needed to stop getting hit.
75:27Also sneaky, sneaky, agile. I mean, when I saw the video that he couldn't, that he, Alvin Kamara is like, look, you
75:34know, when you're young, you learn these things, you know, left and right.
75:37He's motioning us left. I'm like, you got to use your left hand, not your right hand.
75:42He wants to go left. I'm like, motherfucker, like, God damn it.
75:46Like he's using his left hand to motion guys.
75:48But I guess we all learn, but anyway, I think Tyler Shuck's a good quarterback.
75:52I think he is. I, I, I guess this sounds like a backhanded compliment.
75:57The worst quarterback who I think absolutely deserves a shot to be like the franchise guy for a team.
76:02If that makes sense. Like he, he got into the, the life raft.
76:06Like he deserves to get a shot for multiple years as like the Saints future starter.
76:10Like he clearly is good enough to, to, to be a value.
76:14Like he looks great. And so I think the Saints are going in.
76:18Kellen Moore is the head coach. They signed David Edwards, which is an important guard that they need for the offensive line.
76:24And then they brought in Travis HN. It's going to take me a minute to get that right.
76:29And then they drafted Jordan Tyson. It was like, you know, the highest upside receiver in the draft at Arizona state.
76:35And all those things work together. Like David Edwards is a good offensive lineman that will make it easier to run and pass.
76:42Jordan Tyson's impact in the passing game with Olave will make it easier to run.
76:46Travis ATN's, Travis HN's abilities running back will make it easier to pass.
76:50Like all this is going to get better for the Saints.
76:53I have a lot of questions about them on defense, but for fantasy, like I think this is like an underrated team.
76:59And I actually, I think they're going to win the NFC South.
77:03And I think Travis, I think ETN is going to be like a really good running back.
77:08Well, and this, the Saints really made a run last year.
77:11I feel like there's, it's like a tale of two seasons looking at what the Saints did in 2025, where I feel
77:17like when you just think back to like, Oh yeah, Saints, of course they didn't make the playoffs.
77:22They weren't good. The Saints won five of their last six games.
77:26And Tyler Shuck, when you look at his last four games was like averaging 300 yards, passing a game was turning the
77:32ball over very infrequently and kind of looked like he had kind of flipped over to the other side here and had figured things out.
77:39And there, there was a moment there where it looked like the Saints could sneak into the playoffs the way they were playing.
77:46Granted their schedule wasn't that hard, but the Saints looked like a very different team in the second half of last year.
77:52And it could be, it could be good fantasy wise, you touched on this where the defense isn't that good.
77:58So the offense just has to run a ton of plays, has to score in, in shootout type games.
78:03So yeah, there's, there's a lot of untapped, I think fantasy potential here, obviously with, with Travis ETN or HN, the variable here.
78:10That's interesting is Alvin Kamara didn't retire. No. And showed in showed up for off season activities.
78:15And the Saints are like, what are you? Oh, you're still here.
78:18I don't know what to do with this guy.
78:21Now. I love Kamara. Yeah. So I don't know what's going on with that.
78:25How, how much he's going to play if any, uh, for this team.
78:29I don't think anyone knows. No, it's a bizarre situation.
78:31I don't think even the coaching staff knows what's going on with, with Alvin Kamara.
78:36So, uh, it'll be interesting to see how that develops over the next couple of months.
78:40I feel like Travis H Travis, HN. Sorry. It's just, it's going to be hard.
78:45I have never felt less confident in, in a, if I think this guy's good or not.
78:50I think the last year was like the best year of his, I thought I w I liked the way he was
78:56running last year for the Jags better than I've ever liked him.
78:59I think I saw more from him, uh, running North South.
79:03I was very impressed with Travis. Is that saying a lot?
79:06It's not like he was, you know, I mean, I like, he, he basically has a thousand yards and eight touchdowns every year.
79:12And so I'm like, I don't, I, I, I, when I watch him, I don't know if I'm like, this guy moves different.
79:19I don't know if I feel that way. Um, I think he's like a solid pass catcher, but I don't know if
79:25like, do you feel strongly enough to be like Travis HN is a guy I want to reach for this year?
79:31Um, only, well, it depends on the range right now.
79:34He's going around Rishi rice, which Lord knows what's going on there.
79:38Devante Smith, which is one of the more interesting people the whole off season.
79:42Now Devante Smith is number one in Philadelphia, Trey McBride for the Cardinals, Brees Hall, Chris Olave, and then Travis, which I
79:48think is representative that the two saints are next to each other.
79:51Then it's like Zay flowers, Kyron Williams. I think there's a big gap there.
79:55Like the fact that Travis HN is next to Zay flowers, I would take him 11 times out of 10 over Zay flowers.
80:02We all, I feel like Zay flowers. You have to remove him.
80:06Nobody wants to take Zay flowers. He doesn't count.
80:08Uh, next to Malik neighbors. I would take Travis HN over Malik neighbors.
80:12I hate to say, I feel the same way as you though.
80:15I think I hear what you're saying. Exactly. You can't quite put your finger on it.
80:20Is this guy good? I don't know. I don't know.
80:23He's going to produce bridge between the two numbers.
80:25Like the average NFL running back. Yeah. Yeah. I think Travis HN realistically to your point, Craig, I think what you're, you're
80:32nailing is he's the bridge between players that I've seen do it more than once.
80:36And guys that I haven't really seen do it at all.
80:39It's like the guys ahead of Travis HN are like Brock Bowers, Nico Collins, George Pickens, Rasheed Rice, Trey McBride, guys that
80:45at least were incredible for a full stretch. Uh, and then he's around like Brees Hall.
80:50And then it's like T Higgins, Malik neighbors, Javante Williams, Lade McConkie, Emeka Abuka, Tett McMillan, guys where I'm a little nervous
80:56might not be able to put it together. And it's, it's, I'm calling it right now.
81:01Travis HN is going to be a guy. Who will fall in most drafts.
81:05And I think he will be sitting there at the top of the like Yahoo ADP thing where it's like, it says
81:11he should have gone in the last round. And I think he's going to sit there and people aren't going to know what to do.
81:19Cause it's the saints. Yeah. Camara is still there.
81:21He's never really been amazing in fantasy, but he's been solid.
81:24And so I think there's just, I don't think there's going to be a lot of buzz around taking him.
81:30I mean, that is a perfect transition to someone exactly like that, which is David Montgomery, the running back for the now Houston Texans.
81:37He's the epitome of this exercise. Like maybe people who really follow the league probably remember that like Mike Evans was on the Niners.
81:44Everyone probably needs a reminder that David Montgomery is on the Texans.
81:47Now. Yeah. I think he's exactly what you're saying, Craig.
81:50He's an example of, he will fall two or three rounds.
81:53Cause people are like, Oh, I don't know. And I'm, I just, I think it's a perfect pick.
81:59Yeah. He's a perfect mix for the Texans though.
82:01I think as a real life trying to win a super bowl, like, yeah, the Texans wanted David Montgomery on their team.
82:07I have, I don't know. I don't know what to make of him, but what do you think DK?
82:13Yeah. I don't know what to make of him either.
82:16He was traded to the Texans, which for a few picks, which I kind of had forgotten.
82:21And, but yes, he, it's interesting because I think he has both simultaneously sort of like fallen off a little bit as
82:27the C, as the seasons have gone on. He was never a guy that was super reliant on speed, but, and his,
82:33his carry, his career, he had a career low in terms of rush attempts per game last year.
82:38So they basically were more or less phasing him out of the offense.
82:42Obviously when you have Jameer Gibbs kind of makes sense, you want the guy with the explosive play ability to have the football.
82:49Um, but I was looking at like his yards after contact yards after contact per rush, both pretty high.
82:54Still, he's still a guy that can break tackles.
82:57He has good vision. I think he's just a professional running back that can get yards that aren't there for you, which
83:03is exactly what the Texans need because they can't block.
83:06You know what I mean? Like David Montgomery is the perfect guy because he can break tackles.
83:11He can create on his own, even at 29.
83:14I still think he's, he has the ability to do that.
83:17Um, but yeah, I mean, if you look at the Texans run games over the last couple of years, it's just been abysmal.
83:23I mean, they can't block yards per yards per rush, uh, sorry, yards before contact per rush.
83:28They're always just kind of like at the bottom.
83:31They just get hit in the backfield every time.
83:33There's a lot of variables here that I don't know what to do with him because there's, you know, the whole CJ
83:40Stroud variable, which I don't know what to think of him, if he's good or if he's ascending, or if he's just
83:46going to be worse again this next year. Um, but I do think the Texans overall are a team that want to
83:52play ball control, run the football, um, and, and rely, and they're going to rely on him a lot.
83:58I think he's going to get a ton of touches in this offense, especially because you don't have a ton of competition.
84:04I mean, Woody marks, Juar Jordan, um, and no one else you've ever heard of on that team in terms of the running back position.
84:11So, um, it's going to be him and Woody marks.
84:14And I think Woody marks will play sort of like, you know, third down role and a backup role, but Montgomery is
84:21going to get the lion's share of the touches here.
84:23And we want touches in, in fantasy, even if it's not going to be super efficient.
84:28He's a closer. He's a closer for a team with the best defense in the, in the AFC.
84:33I think I'm going to be in on Montgomery.
84:36Just, I mean, he's not super expensive, obviously, but he's the, he's a perfect sort of RB two on your team.
84:42Yeah. I also just like love him as a player.
84:45Yeah. It's a bummer that he's not on Detroit.
84:47Like it was just so awesome in Detroit. I'm sad that he's gone.
84:51Sonic and knuckles thing. Yeah. It's yeah. It's funny that like I felt better about him as technically a backup on a good offense than I do.
84:59I think now is he's a starter. Well, cause the lion's score touchdowns about.
85:03I know. I don't know. I worry that he's going to be like a, gets a lot of touches, very little production
85:09guy on this team, but he's the epitome of better in real life than fantasy.
85:13And like maybe love fantasy relevance. But when you watch David Montgomery play, you're like, Oh, is this guy like the heart and soul of the offense?
85:21Like, yeah, he seems to be like the leader of the team, but in fantasy, you're kind of laid out a ceiling play.
85:28Yeah. The, I do love having him on my team though.
85:31Opposite of that, which is DJ Moore, who I think is much more of a fantasy player than a real life player.
85:37A DJ more. I mean, so the bear season basically ended because DJ Moore seemed to not really be trying as hard
85:44as he should have on a Caleb Williams scramble with the season on the line in an incredible game versus.
85:49Oh, so it's cool when AJ Brown doesn't try, but DJ Moore takes the playoff.
85:54You beat me. Same shit. I'm saying he's on a team now.
85:57And I'm like, guess what? He's going to be way better in fantasy than he is.
86:02I'm like, yeah, I think it's ironic that like now he's going to Buffalo where your main value is to really run out routes.
86:09But I think DJ Moore is going to be the guy.
86:12And I think that he needs to get his stats.
86:15I think a lot of receivers have basketball mentalities where they're like, there's only one ball.
86:19How am I getting my numbers? And like other positions are kind of trained to be more team oriented.
86:25And I think DJ Moore thrives. And what I'll say is when he's the definitive number one, he's the definitive number one in Buffalo.
86:32Like the, like he, he is like AJ Brown going to add the element of verticality and forcing teams to not just
86:38play man coverage because he can beat one-on-one most quarterbacks.
86:41And so I do think that he's going to get the ball a ton.
86:45And Buffalo, we'll see how much I think he will probably fix a lot of Buffalo's passing games issues in the regular season.
86:52I don't know about the playoffs. And I think DJ Moore will probably be a pretty good player for fantasy this year.
86:58I don't love him as your number one player when you're trying to win the Superbowl, but also I think Buffalo is that option.
87:05So they traded as Craig always mentions a second rounder, but really like the 16th pick in the draft for a DJ
87:11Moore, which doesn't sound as cool as a second rounder, a second rounder, a bunch of money.
87:16And then they're paying them a ton. You want to stat the, but when the, at the time that the bills made
87:22the trade for DJ Moore, the only team that had allocated more money to their wide receivers than Buffalo was the Bengals.
87:29No way. They are paying them a lot. 81 million guaranteed.
87:32Um, I think the, the DJ Moore and AJ Brown trades this year are the big, it's sort of a, a funny
87:38experiment based on like how much chemistry matters and how much receivers liking the quarterback matters.
87:43Because I think AJ Brown clearly fell out of love with Jalen hurts to the point where it was like resentment, you
87:49know, it's like a bad, it's like a marriage gone bad.
87:52And then with DJ Moore, I think he just always hated Caleb.
87:56Like I, there was always sort of this animosity there.
87:59I don't know what it was. And I do know what it was.
88:02It was because Caleb Williams would throw it over his head all the time.
88:06And maybe that was part of it. Um, but they clearly like just didn't mesh.
88:11They didn't like each other based on everything I saw on the field.
88:14Like the, the body language was horrific. Um, so if, if AJ Brown and Drake may become best buddies, that's great.
88:20If DJ Moore loves Josh Allen could be, you know, a career Renaissance for him late in the season or late in his career.
88:27So I don't know. I, I think I'd be willing to take a risk on DJ more, but this could go a lot of ways.
88:34It's kind of, it's AJ Brown light. Yeah. I think I'm, I think I'm going to be into DJ more because once
88:41again, I do not think he's going to be a sexy pick in drafts.
88:45Um, and he's the number one with Josh Allen.
88:47And I still think he's a good player. And did you guys see, he's already starting a good, a good PR tour.
88:54He, Buffalo, he like bought out a, like a merch store, all the bills, merch, he bought it all out and then gave it to fans.
89:01Oh, I saw that. Yeah. So he's doing these putting in the work on Coleman jerseys.
89:06That's the only thing left. They were probably on clearance.
89:09Yeah. Uh, he paid 1200 bucks, bought all the merch, gave it out to people.
89:13So, you know, he's, he's putting in the work off the field.
89:16He's putting in the work on the field. I like it.
89:20I think he'll be good. I think he'll be good.
89:22If he doesn't clearly just disdain Josh Allen, he'll be good.
89:26I think Ben Johnson also was sick of him.
89:28Ben Johnson from the jump didn't like, I remember when DJ Moore walked off the field, the first Caleb Williams bears here,
89:35like in the middle of a play in the middle of a scramble.
89:38And I think Ben Johnson saw that on the sideline.
89:41Moore did say he had a quote where they asked him like how, how things are going in Buffalo.
89:47And he said, everybody's been lovely. They're friendly. Like everybody gets along.
89:50So it's amazing to see. I think DJ Moore and Ben Johnson were a bad fit.
89:55It's amazing to see. All right, Craig, bring it home here with a trio of Steelers news.
90:00The Steelers bring in Michael Pittman from the Colts.
90:02You sign Rico Dattel at running back, but you let your beloved Kenneth Gainwell leave to Tampa.
90:07Kenneth Gainwell, a guy who the Steelers voted as the MVP of the team.
90:11Is that right? Yes. I think I missed that.
90:14Yes. He was voted the MVP of the team.
90:16Wow. My sweet child. I miss him. Why did we let him go?
90:20He's on the Bucks now. That sucks. How much did he get?
90:23Did he get a lot of money? He got like two years, 14 mil or something like that.
90:29Okay. It's like fringe starter good backup money, which is basically.
90:32It's hard to get paid when you're 27 and he's five foot nine.
90:35Well, he had 1500 yards last year. But I'm just saying, well, I didn't do it.
90:40The NFL did it. They don't care. The funny thing is that they gave Rico Dattel basically, the Steelers gave Rico Dattel
90:46very similar money, like a million or two less than Kenneth Gainwell.
90:50But I think this is a stylistic thing and they wanted, Rico Dattel was with Mike McCarthy in Dallas for four years.
90:56But I, so I guess we could start with them now.
90:59I mean, Rico Dattel, if people forgot, was kind of electric in 2025 on the Panthers.
91:04And he's 28 years old. He has had now back-to-back a thousand yard seasons.
91:08He ran for 200 yards in a game last year.
91:11He had back-to-back games with 200, 200 total all-purpose yards.
91:14You can't prove that. He led the league in rushing from week three to week nine.
91:18Yeah. He led the league in rushing. Who's that?
91:21Boy Rico. Every time he's gotten opportunities, he's been really good.
91:24He basically didn't play for the first two years of his career.
91:28And since then, like when he gets the ball, he's good.
91:31He doesn't really catch passes. I don't know if he can pass protect, but like when you hand him the football, Rico Dattel's good.
91:38And I do think he is a nice compliment to Jalen Warren.
91:41To Jalen Warren. And then, so it's like, do I think Rico Dattel is going to be like a fantasy contributing player?
91:47Like, I think there's a chance he could be a guy who's like a solid flex player for you.
91:53And then they bring in, they traded for Michael Pittman for basically nothing.
91:57And then they gave him, they extended him. He's 28 years old.
92:00They basically chose, the Colts basically chose Alec Pierce over him and gave Alec Pierce a huge deal.
92:05Michael Pittman's had some back issues. Remember he had that fractured back two years ago and people thought he was going to
92:12go on IR and then he just played every game that season.
92:15It's so funny how people punish guys for that.
92:18I'm just going to play. Then they scroll back and they're like, oh, did he do too many yards that year?
92:24Meanwhile, he's playing through a back injury that most people would like, couldn't walk.
92:28Nevermind playing an NFL game. It was, it was pain tolerance and he had to get imaging scans every few weeks to
92:34make sure that his back fracture hadn't gotten worse.
92:37Jesus. I think Pittman is a better real life thing for the Steelers than fantasy.
92:41I think he compliments what like DK Metcalf can now like run down the field and do the things DK Metcalf, doesn't
92:47Pittman can be your like in breakers, out breakers, big body possession, good hands, like very solid professional wide receiver that the
92:54Steelers did not have behind DK Metcalf, like Calvin Austin and Ben Skoranek and Roman Wilson, like was not it.
92:59And now having Michael Pittman like, and bringing in Jeremy Bernard rounds out the team a lot better.
93:04I still think they could probably use another more, like another receiver.
93:08I think they could go get like digs, but Mike McCarthy, the Packers and Aaron Rogers all have always just wanted giant, receivers.
93:15I think for a long time, I mean, even just going back to, I mean, Alan Lazard, right.
93:20It's like basically like the biggest receiver in the NFL for like, I mean, he's like, I think he's six, six and Rogers brought him everywhere.
93:27He ever wanted to go. You know what I mean?
93:30And I think that Michael Pittman is halfway between two thirds of the way from Alan Lazard.
93:35Who's like a figurehead. And then what Michael Pittman was.
93:38And I don't think he's as good as Mike.
93:40We thought Michael Pittman would be. Yeah, but he also just kind of fits with, I totally agree with the real life is fantasy thing.
93:48I got to tell you, I, what do you think DK?
93:51I think the Steelers, I don't want any of these players.
93:54I don't want anything to do with the Pittsburgh Steelers for fantasy.
93:57I don't want to, I don't want to touch.
94:00It does make it very difficult because the one guy would have been in on Jalen Warren is now going to split
94:06reps pretty evenly, probably with Rico Dowdle and probably not get red zone stuff with, with Rico Dowdle in there.
94:12So yeah, I'm probably staying away from all these guys as much as I do still love DK Metcalf.
94:17Like he's just not going to have consistency at all in this offense.
94:21I don't think, I think Michael Pittman will have some spike weeks because I think he's a great, fit with Aaron Rogers.
94:28I think you'll lead the team in catches. Yeah.
94:30But overall, yeah, I'm probably avoiding Steelers. You know, I just can't attach myself to Aaron Rogers and Mike McCarthy's reunion with
94:36Aaron Rogers at, what is he going to be?
94:39He's going to be a 42, 42 years old.
94:42I can't attach myself to Aaron Rogers is 42 year old season.
94:45You know, you could make the argument that this is the best quarterback Michael Pittman's ever had.
94:50Michael Pittman. That is true. Michael Pittman has played with Philip Rivers twice, six years apart.
94:55So think about that. That's crazy. His other quarterbacks have been Carson Wentz, the last year of Matt Ryan's career, Gardner Minshew,
95:01Anthony Richardson, and Daniel Jones for eight, for like nine games.
95:04That's all Michael Pittman has had in his career.
95:07Michael Pittman. I never realized that you're right. His, his career was like span, like bookended by both of Philip Rivers' final seasons.
95:13Yeah. So I'm kind of like, you could argue this is the best quarterback situation he's ever had.
95:18Wow. Uh, that's a great call. I don't want them.
95:21I agree that with DK, the only stealer I would actually draft is Jill and Warren.
95:26I just, Pittman's the exact kind of player that I, you know, you always have to kind of pick how you'll go down.
95:33You know, you can't just think of everything. You have to make a decision of like, if I am wrong about something,
95:39what do I want to be wrong on? And not having Michael Pittman is how I would like to lose this fantasy.
95:45I think he will be like the fifth wide receiver on your team that never plays unless you have a pretty tough bi-week situation.
95:52Yeah. Yeah. Uh, and then last before, before we get to, uh, hot quarterback rankings and some emails, Kenneth Gainwell, are you going to take him Buffalo?
96:00We're going to let that one night stand. You mean Tampa?
96:03Oh yeah. Sorry. What did I say? Buffalo. Um, it's weird.
96:06Very similar cities. Uh, uh, I, I think he's a good compliment to Bucky Irving.
96:10I think Kenneth Gainwell is like an elite receiver and really smart and savvy and like super clutch.
96:16I went back and watched a couple of Kenneth Gainwell highlights just to kind of relive the glory days last year.
96:22Dude, do you remember that like 50 yard catch where he like caught on the sideline that Rogers chucked up to him falling down?
96:29It was the play of the year. It's the play of the regular season.
96:33Yeah. Just as a highlight. I don't know how relevant he's going to be as like a fantasy player.
96:38I mean, he ended up becoming the most important player on the Steelers like the last half of the season and they used him a lot.
96:46Tampa. I think it'll be a little bit more scarcely used and it depends on like what Bucky Irving does.
96:51I think he'll be more of like a better real life player for the Bucks than fantasy.
96:56I would have to guess. Yeah. Craig, what do you think was the best highlight of the season?
97:01Kenneth Gainwell doing one of the most athletic things I've ever seen or, um, Zach Charbonnet picking up a football when all
97:08the players were walking off the field. Both, both just real football plays that we should honor as parts of the game.
97:14Yeah. Uh, okay. Uh, I'll spare you my thoughts on Wanda Robinson.
97:17Is that where we draw the line here? Giant sign.
97:20The Titans signed Wanda Robinson and Brian Dable is going to Wanda Robinson with the Titans and you will rank them somewhere.
97:27Do people care or not? I don't care. Wanda Robinson on the Titans is, is a correct fit.
97:32Five. Sure. Right. We will rank him somewhere. It's a promise.
97:35Okay. We're not doing defense. Obviously like miles Garrett also changed teams.
97:38did he? We, we, yeah, we did that. And Trent McDuffie.
97:42You'll never guess where they went. Okay. Let's get to the reason people are here, which is the hot quarterback rankings.
97:48Totally. I'm fired up. All, all seven members of the seven have sent in their rankings.
97:52And we did in fact actually do a, a very massive, large, you'd be shocked how scientific composite.
97:57We had hundreds of submissions, correct? All seven. All seven.
98:00Hundreds and hundreds of the seven sent it in.
98:03Yeah. And, uh, I, we actually were, you would never believe how scientific we were about compiling it all, but we have it.
98:10And we have this. He's being serious. He's being serious.
98:12No, we did. He spent a lot of time working on this.
98:16Yeah. Probably way too much. Uh, and so the rankings, we are going to unveil them.
98:20We're going to have our sweet 16, the sexy 16.
98:23And I don't know the rankings, but yeah, you two don't know it.
98:27So cam. We have our own. The three of us have our own composite.
98:31And then the seven has their own that we have yet to see who have built their top 32.
98:37We're going to unveil the top 16, but today we're going to talk about the four who didn't make the cut.
98:43So technically this would be 17 to 20. These are the honorable mentions.
98:46So who, how do we want to do this?
98:49Do you want to just be to unveil like the, the basically the final four out here.
98:54Yeah. And I'll, I'll show you like one at a time.
98:57Drum roll. Yeah. Yeah. You want me to tell you the four names?
99:01You want to go one at a time? I think you just tell me the four names.
99:06Okay. So the final four out. Okay. First four out.
99:08Yeah. Right. First four out. Just use March madness parlance.
99:11Again, these guys did not rank, did not meet our fine, our 16 hottest.
99:15They're not in the top half, hottest quarterbacks. They're not above average.
99:19Yeah. So without further ado. Okay. The first four players out of the hottest quarterbacks of 2026.
99:24Drake may. Did not make the cut. Okay. Jared Goff.
99:27Mm-hmm. Did not make the cut. Can see that.
99:29Fernando Mendoza. And Kirk cousins back to back. These are basically been voted as average looking men.
99:34The GQ bump didn't get him in. I have.
99:37So Craig, you have compiled hot photos of these men.
99:40Okay. Why don't we start with Drake may. I have comments from the seven that I thought were representatives that not only did people send rankings, they sent.
99:48So yeah, Drake may look at Drake may here.
99:50So not only did we have rankings, but people included comments.
99:53And I want to read you the comments on Drake may.
99:56So some of the comments that I thought summed up what a lot of women said, Drake may said, uh, these are,
100:03I'm going to anonymize a lot of these. Okay.
100:05So among the comments about Drake may we'll always look 12.
100:09Yep. He does have a baby face. Yeah, it does.
100:11Uh, Drake may kind of looks like someone who had a hot face, but then you squished it together like a sandwich.
100:18That's just mean. Drake may several years away from getting anywhere near hot, but definitely adorable.
100:22Okay. He's going to be hot in like the 2029 season.
100:26He'll be hot. A lot of women said, looked up his wedding photos.
100:29I recognized his wife. Okay. Big Tik TOKs. Right.
100:32And then someone said looks 12, but also somehow looks 50 feels like he loves booty calls and he would take all
100:38of your tater tots when you're not looking. He looks like he loves booty.
100:42Uh, and then he's got a little frat vibe going on for sure.
100:46The one that stuck with me. I don't know why it was Drake.
100:50May looks like he should try the beard thing, but the problem is his neck is as wide as his head.
100:56And that does something for me. Oh, they like the thing.
100:59That's good. I don't know if they, I don't know what it does.
101:03I don't know if it's good or bad, but now that they say it, it's true.
101:07His neck is as wide as his head. And I, I just can't stop staring at it now.
101:12Yeah. I think, I don't know if it's normal.
101:15I think Drake May is going to have the, and I don't know where Daniel Jones lands on this list.
101:21He's going to have a similar Daniel Jones glove.
101:23I feel like Daniel Jones in the last year or two looks like he became an adult.
101:28Drake May is going to, at some point turn into an adult.
101:32Right now, he looks to me like a frat boy.
101:35I think, I think the difference though, is I think Daniel Jones has like chronic Eli Manning syndrome.
101:40Where he just looks like bewildered in every picture.
101:42Yeah. He's kind of caught looking. He has like resting dopey face.
101:46Yeah. Yeah. And I think Drake May, Drake, the interesting thing about Drake May, I feel like, you know, what's great is
101:52those four quarterbacks that you listed, Heifetz, for me, all of them lie between 16 and 21 in my ranking.
101:58So I kind of hit it. They're average. Aggressively middle.
102:01Yeah. I think Daniel Jones had more player, Daniel Jones, who was basically came in 24th here.
102:06He's an honorable mention as well. We can throw up, throw up a Daniel Jones picture.
102:10Do we have one? Yeah. Like Daniel Jones right here.
102:13More asterisks than any player about with or without beard and his eyes and his hair.
102:18Like literally, I mean, one of the comments for Daniel Jones was, yeah, only with long hair.
102:23A lot of them said he has bug eyes and a punchable face.
102:26And there was a lot of them said, a group of women, you know, he looks like a Pixar character to me.
102:33He does. That one does. He has a group of women said Daniel Jones is top five.
102:37With the beard and bottom five without the beard.
102:40He's top five with the beard. I didn't say it.
102:43I said three women decided that. I think I can, I can see where they're coming from.
102:48I would definitely would not put him top five, but I, there's times where I see a picture of Daniel Jones.
102:54I'm like, Oh, he got hot kind of, but then there's other pictures where I'm like, Oh, nevermind.
102:59He does look great with the beard. Wow. Daniel Jones.
103:02One of the, somebody milled in and said, Daniel Jones looks like Shrek after he drank the handsome potion.
103:07There's there. Which is kind of also true. Good God, Craig, this picture you said that doesn't even look like him.
103:13He looks, he looks really good. Yeah. Other comments at Daniel Jones.
103:17Eyes are too close together. Question mark. Someone just wrote gross.
103:20It just really depends on the picture you look at.
103:23He looks great with a beard. There's something about the eyes.
103:26He has a stare that I can't quite. He like really locks in or something in a way that's kind of unsettling, but it doesn't blink.
103:34Someone, I'll tell you what it is. Someone said that he looks like Norman Bates.
103:38Oh, which is fucking brutal. That's the character in psycho.
103:41Yeah. I don't know. I didn't say it. I think to go back to Drake may though, for the honorable mention, I
103:47think Drake may, if you described him on paper, seems really hot.
103:51Yeah. But I think he has like, he, he, I agree.
103:54He looks like a, like a 14 year old kid who like, he was like, he's the biggest kid in his grade.
104:00And he's like, he hasn't quite caught up yet.
104:03Like everything hasn't quite filled in yet. Cause he's just like grew too fast.
104:07Gangly. Yeah. He looks a little bit, you know, he's just young.
104:10Some guys are too, like cam warders, at least like that.
104:13As I was cam ward ranked very low in this exercise and everyone had the same commentary, which was basically cam ward
104:20kind of looks like he's in high school. Cam ward looks like 16 years old.
104:24Yeah. Drake may is not quite that, but he looks very young.
104:27I want to go there. Drake, do you think Drake can grow a beard?
104:31I kind of don't. His follow, like he looks so clean shaven that sometimes it's like, you don't even see five o'clock shadow trickling in.
104:39He's follically challenged. I don't think on his face.
104:41So who else do we have to discuss? We have Kirk.
104:44So the other one, let's throw up the next one.
104:47I want to throw up Jared Goff. Let's put the Jared Goff photo up.
104:51You know? Yeah. I've heard. Oh, so if you're on Spotify, you can watch video too, or if you're watching, go watch us on Netflix.
104:58Yeah. If you want to participate here, you also can Google these people.
105:02You know, I have women in my life who think Jared Goff is, is hot, straight hot.
105:07And he's like a, like a Ryan Gosling light.
105:10Yes. He's like, literally Gosling. So many people wrote Ryan Gosling's less attractive brother.
105:14Yeah. Which is still, it's still very attractive. You'll take that.
105:17Yeah. Other, other comments on Jared Goff that the, that, that members of the seven, all seven women who look, listen to
105:23our show wrote in on Jared Goff. Looks like he works for Facebook.
105:27God, that's someone, my eyes glaze over whenever I see him.
105:30Someone wrote state farm is rubbing their hands together, waiting for Jared Goff to retire.
105:34The meme. So Jared Goff's the guy in it.
105:37Who's not actually cute, but you do just think he's cute in comparison.
105:41And maybe he's got some jokes while we figure out why you can't open outlook.
105:45He's tall and nice. Tall and nice. Someone wrote Jared Goff.
105:48Looks like he hosts game nights every week, but only wants to play Catan.
105:52Okay. He's very specific. Very specific. I love the specificity.
105:55And someone wrote Jared Goff. Maybe the most, just kind of a guy, guy of all time gets hotter when the stadium
106:01chants his name, but somehow weirdly his hot wife makes him less hot.
106:05Yeah. He has very pretty wife. She's a, she's a sports illustrated swimsuit model.
106:09Yeah. He's doing just fine. From what I understand.
106:12I actually get it. If you Google Jared Goff wife, the first photo does make, she really mogs him at all these photos.
106:18There's like a lot of video. There's a lot of videos floating around the internet ether of her finding out that.
106:24I forget what she found out. She's like at some sports illustrated.
106:28She had to move to Detroit. I don't know what it was, but she's in, she's in a bathing suit and finding something out.
106:35And, you know, credit to him for, for that.
106:37Yeah. I think Jared Goff is like a perfectly fine looking young man.
106:41Yes. If he wasn't an NFL quarterback, where would he rank?
106:44He's tall. Height, I think was the biggest thing that it was factored in for some and not others.
106:50And Austin, Austin forwarded on the video, by the way, she found out that he got his first win.
106:55you pulled that up quick. He had that on speed dial.
106:58Yeah. That really had that one bookmarked. Why'd you have that really quick?
107:02Weird. What's her name? Sorry. We should say her name.
107:05For the record. For your record. So people can look in and see for themselves.
107:09Her name is Kristen Harper. There we go. Yeah.
107:12Look, I think this is the, I think the seven nailed it and he's properly ranked.
107:16I think works, looks like he works for Facebook is really funny.
107:20So the next, so yeah, anything else than Jared Goff?
107:23I think that you're right. He's, he's, he's average, but he's really tall, which I think is the hardest thing for men to understand.
107:30I don't know why it's such a big deal to be six foot five, but he is.
107:35He doesn't, he doesn't have the, the riz from what I've seen.
107:38There's, there's nothing offensive about, you know, when you talk about Daniel Jones, there's like kind of things that you're like, his eyes, something.
107:45Jared Goff is like very, like, like uncontroversial. It kind of like his play style.
107:49He doesn't do anything terribly. Yeah. Even if the ceiling isn't there everywhere, it's like, there's no true massive weaknesses.
107:55It's a good point. Okay. The next one here, 18 was Fernando Mendoza, which I'll admit was not ranked by everybody.
108:01Some people just rank Kirk, but Fernando Mendoza, some of the comments that Fernando Mendoza being 18th are my favorite one.
108:07That's a pizza delivery guy. Name's Norm. I live with my folks up in Pocono.
108:11Some woman wrote about Fernando Mendoza, bit of a baby face, but the Esquire photos really moved them up the list.
108:17I know. I was going to say those Esquire photos are doing work.
108:21Can we pull that up? Those are included. Oh yeah.
108:24That one, that one definitely. This is another guy who going into 2029 will be very hot.
108:29Yeah. Here's what I'll say about Mendoza. I think when, when he like does the, like blue steel, he looks good.
108:35Like when he, when he doesn't do the big smile, almost like makes him a little bit more childish looking.
108:41The Esquire cover. He's got a big old jaw.
108:43He looks great. And he's not speaking. So you can't realize that he, like, because the, someone nailed it, which was, let's live and go.
108:50If I was 16 years old, Mendoza would be in my top three.
108:54Somebody wrote. That's really funny. I thought it was great.
108:57And then someone wrote, your mom would be thrilled to have Fernando Mendoza as a son.
109:02Well, yeah, we're not. Yeah. It's hard to separate what we know about him.
109:06Right? Yes. That's part of this. That's part of this.
109:09Yeah. And someone, and someone wrote about Mendoza and Kirk cousins conventionally, very attractive just to dweeb.
109:13Yeah. Which I thought they'll do. Yeah. And then Kirk cousins.
109:17I mean, we all know Kirk cousins, you know, we know his game.
109:20Do we have any pictures of Fernando Mendoza with a beard?
109:23No, I don't think he has one. Kirk cousins.
109:26That's a little bit of Cole's cash chain, which Craig, I thought was a good selection.
109:31Cause that is good. That's kind of his energy in a nutshell.
109:34Kurt Cole's cash chain. Conventionally very attractive. Just to do.
109:37Someone else wrote daddy would treat me right. And then, and then yeah, youth group would treat me right.
109:42Would treat me right. That someone put them first and was like, someone was someone, I think two women wrote in and would put Kirk cousins first.
109:50And they're like, would, yeah, just like Kirk cousins to me is like, if like a divorced mom is picking up her
109:57kid from school and she looks over and sees Kirk cousins picking up his kid.
110:01And he's also a divorced dad. You're like, holy shit.
110:04I found the guy. Yeah. Like this is, this is the hottest dad at this school.
110:08Yeah. Um, I've long thought that he looks just like Gary from team America, world police.
110:13It's like uncanny Google. Google. Hold on. I'm going to send this picture over.
110:17Wow. What a pull. It's quite jarring when you see them next to each other.
110:21Oh my God. How have you never mentioned this before?
110:24I have mentioned this many times. Maybe just not to you guys.
110:28No, you could go dig up a tweet from 2016, probably from, for me on this.
110:32There is kind of like a, like a mannequin esque quality to Kirk.
110:36Yeah. You know what I mean? He's like, it's like a little, he's like teeth are really white.
110:41His eyes are really blue. Yeah. Canning Valley. Oh my God.
110:44That is so. He does kind of look like a really, really well done robot.
110:49Like if I told you some of these photos are AI, you'd be like, it was probably the Kirk photos.
110:54This picture that's up right now. Yeah. Kirk Cousins is a, is a premium t-shirt model.
110:59Yeah. That photo is one of those, like we made up an AI influencer.
111:03Like if you want a premium t-shirt. Tilly Norwood and Kirk Cousins are dating.
111:07Yeah. Anyway. Yeah. He's a good looking guy. Yeah.
111:10Nice looking. Dweeb. Dweeb, but good looking. I think this is very interesting that they, they are the first four out, but,
111:16and I think the seven nailed it. I think this is spot on.
111:20Yeah. I think that it, I think it works.
111:22I agree. I think that, especially the idea that these guys going forward are above average.
111:27I think that these guys being average is perfect.
111:29Yeah. I, by the way, thank you to the seven for the commentary that, Oh my God.
111:34The editorializing is great. It's, there are some incredible comments.
111:37I mean, there are, there are just, I can't wait as we go into this.
111:41There are just, there are just some amazing things that people said about these people.
111:46I mean, we might have to get a, honestly, the meanest ones are the funniest.
111:50So I might have to edit those. I don't know what we'll do with those.
111:54We don't want to be mean. This is not good.
111:57Good looking guys. Yeah. Yeah. I enjoyed the comments though, especially the mean ones.
112:01They were funny. We probably won't let them see the light of day, but yeah, so we're going to unveil those at the beginning of each week.
112:09Does this align with your guys' rankings? Is anything here like completely out of whack?
112:13Did you have any of these four guys in the top five or the top 10 or anything like that?
112:19I don't think so. So I think this was pretty in line.
112:23Yeah, it's pretty in line. I thought Drake may would come in higher, but for the most part, I had golf cousins
112:29and Drake may actually exactly in that range. Yeah.
112:32I'd made 22nd. And I had golf cousins next to each other.
112:35Yeah, me too. And then who was the other one we were talking about?
112:39Mendoza. I had Mendoza higher. So I'm 16. Yeah.
112:42Do you want me to, I have a, can I just tell you a couple of the other people who came in,
112:48all the people behind them who also missed the cut?
112:51You just want to read me comments. No, I actually could read much more meeter comments, but it's Sam Donald, Kyler Murray and Bo Nix.
112:58We're the next up. Oh, wow. They, they did not make it.
113:01And Bo Nix didn't make it. I bring it up because Bo Nix didn't make it.
113:06And I think he's the biggest gap. Wow. Is Bo Nix.
113:09Craig, I see you have Bo Nix is 11th in your rankings, but the seven weighed in and they put Bo Nix 23rd.
113:16Wow. Bo Nix to me is just like Drake may, but short.
113:19Like kind of fratty looking like. Definite. Like the biggest douche in your frat.
113:23Someone wrote Bo Nix. Bo Nix wouldn't ignore me at a party, but I would ignore him back.
113:28Someone wrote Bo Nix. Invest, looks like an investment banker, derogatory.
113:32Lacrosse player. Yeah. It's, I think I just kind of thought he'd rank higher, but no.
113:36Me too. Where did you guys have Bo Nix?
113:39I had him quite low. Let me see. I had him 23rd.
113:42Why is he always so red? He's playing football.
113:45It's hot. I mean, I can relate to that, but yeah.
113:48Hyvind, where'd you have Nix? I had him 12th, right?
113:51Right with you. I had him as a top 12 guy.
113:54Yeah. He has conventional qualities to him, I think, but yeah.
113:57He looks like the villain in a Disney movie.
114:00He does. He does look like the villain in a Disney.
114:03So does Jackson Dart. Jackson Dart, I have to say, really looks like the villain in a Disney movie.
114:08Headband and everything. I struggled more with Dart than anybody.
114:11I'm going to be excited to see where Dart lands.
114:14I feel like. I could be anywhere. My guess.
114:17My guess is, and again, Heifetz has hidden the official rankings from Craig and I.
114:21My guess is Dart is going to be extremely high.
114:24Can I read one comment about Bo Nix that is very funny?
114:27Sure. That made me laugh. They just have JG McCarthy and Bo Nix next to each other as 30th and 31st.
114:33Oh, they have this. She wrote Bo Nix, McCarthy, Drake, May back to back to back.
114:38And they wrote, are these the same person? I'm Korean.
114:41I grew up in the South listening to Southern people saying that all Asian people look alike.
114:46And yet you're telling me you can tell the difference between these three versions.
114:50Dude, JJ McCarthy and Nix and Nix definitely do look alike.
114:53Yeah. Yeah. That's really good. They look, they look like generic white guy.
114:57They look like central casting for the douchey frat in animal house.
115:00Yeah. Uh, okay. Great comment. Oh, that's awesome. I love that.
115:03Really funny. You can't convince me. These are not the same guy.
115:07Uh, okay. So next week, next Monday, we will do, we will begin the official ranking of the top 16.
115:13Yes. And, uh, we have a lot of good emails.
115:15I'll get to them, but I, we're going very long today.
115:19So I will, I will read one and just mention blind spots or things that you kind of didn't know until much later in life.
115:26And this email is from Sam. Sammy S bone breakfast was a banana chocolate protein smoothie.
115:30Hmm. So Sam writes, I'm 40 years old. I'm going to read his email in a different order.
115:36Cause I think it's even funnier if you just go chronologically.
115:39He says, my seven year old asked me, why does, what is the sound of thunder in a thunderstorm?
115:44Like, what is the sound of thunder? Oh boy.
115:47And Sam said, no one knows. Scholars maintain. Sam told his seven year old that the sound of thunder during a thunderstorm
115:53is when the big clouds crash into each other.
115:56Right. Honestly, that would work on me. You can tell me that now.
115:59His wife hears this and runs into the room and says, it's the fucking lightning.
116:04Yeah. Wait, you left out. This is an Australian man.
116:07So you gotta read, you gotta read. It's the fucking lightning.
116:10It's the lightning. Fuck's sake. It's the lightning, you cunt.
116:13That's exactly what she said. Nor it's the lightning, you cunt.
116:16Yeah. Or no, you can convince me it's the two, one billion pound clouds crashing into one another like waves.
116:22Uh, the only reason I knew he was wrong is because you like see the lightning and then you count.
116:27Yeah. The seconds. You wait for the thunder clap and it's because the sound, it travels slower than the speed of light.
116:34So anyway, it's the clouds, just the clouds clapping together.
116:37It's actually the gods. The gods are fighting. Yeah.
116:39God is clapping the cheeks of the clouds. But here's my question.
116:43And hearing your husband explain this to your child.
116:45Whoa, whoa, whoa. Why did I marry you? What are you talking about?
116:49Slow down there, partner. So here would be my question based on what, so like the sound is from the lightning, you cunt, but it is interesting.
116:57You can't say that word without the accent. The accent is what makes it fine.
117:01You say it in American and suddenly it's like, it's quite, quite offensive actually.
117:05Craig, do it in Australia. It's cheeky and fun in Australia.
117:08It's the lightning, you cunt. Yeah. See, that's just rolls off like water off a duck when you say it like that.
117:14But so, you know, the lightning, or sorry, you know, the thunder claps that end up lasting like a really long time.
117:21Is that just the sound sort of like being diverted by different other things and it comes in?
117:26No, that's when the clouds collide. That's right. But you know, I actually don't know.
117:30Can someone explain? Some thunder claps are like low and sort of last a long time.
117:35Yeah, yeah, yeah. Maybe it's just multiple lightning strikes.
117:37I don't know. We could, we could get to the bottom of that.
117:41Diki wants to know why it lasts a long time.
117:44So there's gotta be something to do with the sound waves.
117:47Remember how we had that discussion about traveling sound waves and bouncing off the water or something like that?
117:53Oh yeah. There was, I was reading this book.
117:55Craig does not give a fuck about that. No, I know what you're talking about.
118:00Speaking of the sound effect, I was reading this book recently about the Civil War and there was this one battle in
118:06particular where all the Confederate generals were like having this party, wine party or something.
118:10And it was like not very far away from the actual battle that occurred, but because of some atmospheric sound phenomenon thing,
118:17they couldn't hear the battle that had started because of like, I don't know, maybe the way that the land was situated or the wind or whatever.
118:24God? There was like actual battle happening not very far away and all these gunshots and cannon shots and they just didn't
118:31hear it, even though it was super close. So it was like this, it truly was like, I've said like an act
118:37of God because it was a turning point in the war.
118:40People who know about it could tell more, but like that to me is like a fascinating thing.
118:45Basically, they were in this little spot where you couldn't hear anything around from wars.
118:50Wars really are like a, it's like a title run for a team where there's all these little moments that go exactly.
118:56It's like, if you weren't there, you're like, oh, they want the Bulls one.
119:00That's decent. Cool. But if you were there, you're like, oh my God, dude, this one, like that one, Zach Charbonnet doesn't pick up that ball.
119:07The whole thing's different. And it's, it's, it's, there's, yeah, sliding door moments.
119:11And even like World War II too, there was just a million of those.
119:15Yeah. Crazy. Email us other turning points in wars.
119:18I want that one. It's a little, small, little things that happened that changed everything.
119:22The one that I, I think I might botch this, but is someone nominated some, maybe at a Reddit thread, someone nominated
119:28for biggest sliding doors in human history was the Mongol army was going to sack Vienna in like four, I forget what year.
119:35And it was like the Mongols were basically going to invade Europe and probably dominate.
119:39And then one of the cons died and they had to go home to his funeral and they had to not invade Vienna.
119:46Like they had to go home. Like, it's like, you know, Oh, there's a, there's a million of those things, man.
119:52It's crazy. Like, I mean, like even the start of world war two, if, you know, Hitler, I can't remember exactly what the details were.
119:59It was like Hitler was testing and prodding the, the allies sort of like resolve and willingness to go to war.
120:05And when the, when they didn't do anything, I think it was maybe invading Czechoslovakia or Poland or whatever.
120:11And when they, when the allies, the opposing side didn't do anything, he was like, all right, it's on.
120:16If they had just basically been like, fuck off, you're not going here.
120:20Like it would have gone completely different potentially. So there's a lot of those like sliding door moments in history.
120:26All right. Well, on that note. Okay. Well, remember you guys, remember where I told you I wanted to do a thing for in the Lauren segment.
120:33Can I, can we, Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't remember it, but go.
120:37I want to do when we think Lauren, I want to switch things up and I want to, I want to thank
120:44specific songs and I want to do a month of millennial bangers that have been forgotten.
120:48Okay. Great. I've recently kind of fallen into like the 2008 to 2012 range of just like random songs.
120:54And I'm like, man, this song, you throw this on in the car.
120:58This was a banger 15 years ago. So are you doing it or is DK doing it?
121:02I'm going to do it. Okay. It's okay with DK to give up the throne for a month.
121:08Wow. So thank you, DK. Thank you, Craig. Who did you think last, yeah, last episode, DK after that, I was like,
121:14we got to, we got to switch. Wax Taylor.
121:17Yeah. After Wax Taylor, I was like, okay. Thank you, Cam.
121:20Fine. Jeez. Thank you, Abu. Thank you, Austin. Thank you, Nikhil.
121:23Thank you, Carlos. Thank you to the seven for a great run.
121:26Doing music. Thank you. Thank you to the seven.
121:29Thank you to all seven people. Women listen to our show emailed in.
121:33Yeah. But most of all, thank you, Lord. DK.
121:35Now you. Lord. Yeah. Thank you. Usher and young Jeezy for singing the 2008 song.
121:40Love in this club. That song's awesome. That's a mouthful, Craig, but I'll take it.
121:44Yeah. That song's awesome. Do you ever just listen to the lyrics of that song?
121:48You're like, wait, they're having sex on the dance floor.
121:51He wants to make love in this club. Like full penetration around all these people.
121:55In a club is a terrible place. To have sex?
121:58Yeah. Don't knock it till you tried it, pal.
122:01I bet you ushers had plenty of nice experiences having sex in the club.
122:05That's true. Craig, that's a great song though. Dude.
122:07Instant, instant vibe lifter. The way the song starts, I wish we could play it.
122:12Like, just sing it. And it's just like, doodle, doodle, It's, it's really great.
122:16They used to really crump them out. That's the one that has the, like the solo by, shit, what's his name?
122:22Young Jeezy. But didn't Ludacris have a, like a solo in there too?
122:26I don't think so. Maybe I'm missing. I think that's a different song.
122:29Oh God. It's fine. There's, I mean, there are a lot of pop songs from this era that sound just like this.
122:36Um, but throw that song on in the car today.
122:39If you're listening, you're thinking of, yeah, DK has Ludacris.
122:41Oh, sure. Got it. My bad. I think they also did more than one song.
122:46I think you're right. I think that's exactly what I was thinking of.
122:49Uh, but anyway, yeah, young Jeezy's in this and he's like, I'm what you want.
122:54I'm what you need. It's the best. It's the best.
122:57It's so funny. It's such a good song. Do you want people to email in, uh, club bangers?
123:02Or you want to just, you're taking solo? Millennial club bangers.
123:05Maybe we'll make a playlist, um, for the summer, but it just, I want to make love in this club, in this club.
123:12All you got to do is tell me what you're sipping on.
123:15Oh my God. It's so funny. That's so funny too.
123:18Cause I feel like I've been, I feel like 50 cent has been, I feel like I'm listening to more 50 cent.
123:24Yeah. And like into club by 50 cent where he's like, I'm not into making love.
123:29I'm in having sex. Yeah. It's just, you know, they really were taking, you know, different niches, you know?
123:34I just feel like I've, I've realized that I listened to old music and I listened to new music, but I, I
123:41had, I kind of stopped listening to music from when I was in high school.
123:45And every time I discovered the mid range. Yeah.
123:48Mid range jumper, the 17 footer. Yeah. Now I'm like, Oh, I forgot about all these.
123:52Like some of them are really good. I think like love in this club is genuinely a very well done song, but
123:58then there's like the like Tao Cruz, Jay Sean shit.
124:01And, you know, it's just like dynamite. Oh, like I as singing the song replay, you know, like all that stuff.
124:07It's just great. Was this the apex mountain era of club dance songs?
124:11Cause like, like in the club is, is kind of the start of that.
124:15I think, I don't, I don't know anything about music, obviously, but like that whole era, that generation of music.
124:21I can think of so many like Eminem, Dr.
124:23Dre, 50 cent, uh, Usher, ludicrous, like so many good dance songs.
124:27Would anyone not pick the era that they were in clubs for?
124:30I just feel like, like, it's like if you grew up with an Xbox and you like Xbox better than PlayStation, I don't really care.
124:38I'm interested when people change their minds as they get older.
124:41Is anyone not going to pick their era of music?
124:44You know what I mean? It's funny. I wonder right now, this current era, the last five years, I would be interested
124:50to see what, what like the iconic club bangers from the last five years are considered.
124:55Yeah. That's, that's kind of what I'm asking. Cause that, that was to be the golden age.
124:59I mean, like, yeah, there's just so many fricking, I mean, I guess that's just cause when I was at parties, but I mean, look, they were fun.
125:07The songs that I will mention this month, half of them will be bad and hilarious.
125:12I'm not saying that like, these are the best songs that have ever been made.
125:16I just like, I mean, half the shit like, you know, it's like Jason Derulo and Jay Sean Akon, who I think is kind of a genius.
125:24TK was good. Jason Derulo. What was the getting, getting down for real?
125:28What was that song? You remember that one? Oh, it's going down for real.
125:32Yeah. Flo Rida. Flo Rida. Flo Rida. Flo Rida has a, quietly, crazy top five songs.
125:36Oh yeah. Let me tell you. Like, what were those things people doing?
125:40Versus? Flo Rida's versus is quietly amazing. I unironically love Flo Rida.
125:44Yes. I think he's great. I think Club Can't Handle Me is like one of my all time favorite songs.
125:49I think he's fucking great. What's he doing these days?
125:52Flo Rida is on low, right round, Club Can't Handle Me, and then he's got Wild Ones, Good Feel.
125:58Like, there's a lot of incredible songs in here.
126:00Yeah, dude. Fucking, he did the Avicii remix, Good Feeling.
126:03It's like the only levels remix that I'm like kind of okay with.
126:07Oh, speaking of this, I was told, yeah, Whistle, yeah, sure.
126:10I was told by my friend that to admit defeat on the whole Robin, not knowing that song by Robin because that was like an iconic dance song.
126:18Dancing on my own? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I was told I was an idiot for that.
126:23I'll admit it. It's all right. But humbly suggest that that song is larger than No Doubt's songs.
126:28I can do the entire Nicki Minaj verse from Where Them Girls At by David Geta and Flo Rida.
126:34Word for word. I gotta see that. It like comes to me in a vision.
126:38It doesn't matter. I'll be 75 years old and when it's like, what happened?
126:42Yeah. You start it right now. Go. people. That's it.
126:45That's the whole verse. Wow. Well done. I think.
126:48I mean, I can't tell you. Are we going to get sued for that?
126:52All right. Only one way to find out. No, because it's totally different from the real song.
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