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0:13Now here's some combination of Adam, Dave, Jamie and Heath It's quasi mailbag time We've got half a mailbag and half a
0:19mock draft review for you here on Fantasy Football Today on Friday, July 24th Adam Azer with Jamie Eisenberg Happy birthday to Dave Richard!
0:26He is not on today's show It is his 50th birthday today So if you see him around town or on the
0:33internet, wish him a happy birthday This is the actual day?
0:36Now you can do it officially This is the actual day Wow, it's the actual day Hello Dan, welcome back Dan Dan
0:43is full of energy today and I am not sure I'm excited about that Oh yeah Because he is on the attack
0:49He's an attack mode Well, I had some good news and some bad news The bad news, we'll start with the bad
0:56news first I slipped a disc in my back Yeah, a disc, that's how you say it Okay, I went back and
1:02listened to the tape It seems to be healing up pretty fine though The good news though I didn't say As I
1:09was laying down trying to stretch out and get myself back to normal last night I watched an amazing sports movie, Jerry
1:15Maguire It was unbelievable I hadn't seen it in like 10 years I love this scene at the end on the football
1:22field in the sports movie, Jerry Maguire So it's been an okay back and forth these past couple hours Dan came with
1:28boats He did, yeah He did very prepared attacks from the end today Alright, we do have an email about that later
1:35Our email address is fantasyfootballatcbsi.com That's the letter I Fantasyfootballatcbsi.com Let's get to our news and notes Because a big report here
1:42on Malik Neighbors Very relevant after the conversation we had with Joe Pisapia yesterday Malik Neighbors expected to avoid the pup list
1:48And could play in week one And this is great news And if you look I feel like, Jamie, I feel like
1:55I'm about to be the Malik Neighbors guy He tore his ACL, but he also tore his meniscus That's the complicating factor
2:01here And it seemed like he had somewhat of a slow recovery He had a cleanup operation But, you know, Dr.
2:07Jesse Morris actually had a post about this If you go and you look at stud wide receivers who tore their ACLs
2:14The history is pretty good Jordy Nelson tore his ACL in 2015 He was wide receiver two the next year Keenan Allen
2:21tore his ACL in 2016 He was wide receiver three the next year Chris Godwin tore his ACL and MCL in week
2:2715 of 2021 The next year he was wide receiver 18 overall 17th per game And he, according to Dr.
2:33Morris He hurt his hamstring in week one He missed weeks two and three And then he was very good late in
2:40the season Corlin Sutton was bad for like three years After he tore his ACL and MCL in 2020 I don't know
2:46if that was an injury thing Or an offense thing or what You got Odell Beckham It's hard to say because he
2:53tore his ACL He was never really He wasn't really the same player when he tore the ACL But he struggled a
2:59little Well, he fractured his ankle Beckham in week five of 2017 In 2018, he was wide receiver nine per game He
3:06was still very good And then Cooper Cup In his second season He tore his ACL in week 10 And he was
3:12wide receiver four the next year Wide receiver seven per game It's actually really encouraging stuff, Jamie So now you get this
3:19report about Malik Nabors And what do you think about him at this moment?
3:23Still not drafting him close to what his current ADP is At least on Fantasy Pros Where he's wide receiver 14 So
3:30I'm completely out there I'll draft him in round four If he's still there That's the earliest I'll pull the trigger I
3:36just think when you look at some of the receivers That are going in this range They have for this season only
3:43For the current situation that Malik Nabors is in Because he's not going to be at his peak He's still going to
3:49have whatever recovery time And this doesn't The report Unless I'm missing something While he might avoid the pup list He also
3:56could still miss time early in the season So they're just wanting to make sure That he's able to practice As long
4:02as he's able to hold up So I think just looking at it Where he's at And what the Giants offense It
4:09seemingly wants to be I don't think we're going to get The best of Malik Nabors From a production standpoint So Jordy
4:16Nelson too Whatever other finishes we had For some of these guys I just don't see that For Malik Nabors right now
4:22Could he be a top 10 caliber wide receiver By the end of the season For the let's say final six games
4:29Final five games Whatever the case may be League winner at that point Absolutely But I think if that's really Where you
4:35want to get Malik Nabors You trade for him Middle of the season Or early in the season When he's struggling to
4:42produce Because I still think There's going to be That ramp up period That we still need to see from him So
4:48this is Very encouraging Great news Obviously if you've drafted already Or have Malik Nabors In Dynasty Don't trade him for Michael
4:55Wilson draft picks But if you have Malik Nabors You know on your roster You're excited about this I just still think
5:01He's a round four pick At the earliest Okay Dan just real quick When are you taking Nabors?
5:07I probably have him Considerably higher than Jamie I had a feeling Just from following the beats That this was going to
5:13happen And there was a lot of speculation It was going to be Pup And all this stuff No real information behind
5:20it So I'm excited But I was expecting this And I had him ranked always At where I have him now Which
5:26is Wider Seer 15 So I will definitely Be taking him ahead of Jamie And that seems like It's right in line
5:33With where the consensus Is taking him Which may be over drafting him But if you really look at it I saw
5:39Matt Harmon chart Talking about this earlier Maybe this week Or a couple days ago His charting Like in his first year
5:46And four games Whatever it was Three games Before the injury Is on the level From a reception Perception charting standpoint Of
5:53the best of the best receivers We're not talking about Like a pretty good receiver Who's coming back from an ACL We're
5:59talking about If he's back And if he's fine Like these guys Who just went over Which definitely encouraged me Jordy Nelson
6:06among others Then he's going to be A wide receiver one in fantasy And potentially the best One of the best receivers
6:12In fantasy So I'll take that discount And I'm okay Baking in the You know The downside But you are missing out
6:19On some good players Obviously I'm taking him in a range Of guys like Jalen Wada Who people love And Devante Smith
6:25Who people love And Buka Christian Watson Garrett Wilson Who some people I guess love So you're passing up On probably like
6:3214 points For PPR points per game Something in that range If he does just Bottom out completely Though it sounds like
6:38Not many have done that Based on your research Yeah we'll get to that Wide receivers in the Sort of 3-4 turn-ish
6:45area And what they've produced I actually looked at Wide receivers between 30 and 50 In ADP Over the last Three seasons
6:52And just my personal opinion I feel like I feel This way every year There are about 30 players That I feel
6:58really good About most years And then it seems like Midway through the third round Is when things start to get A
7:05little bit more complicated Of course you had Jackson Smith and Jigba In that range last year But you know It just
7:11sort of seems To be that way In fantasy For me anyway Alright let's get through The rest of the news and
7:18notes Jacoby Brissett He's got this contract dispute But he did practice In their first day Of training camp That's great This
7:24is a report That I wish I had seen Before I drafted Chuba Hubbard yesterday Jonathan Brooks Took some first team reps
7:31For the Panthers And reportedly Has no limitations According to Cameron Wolfe Of NFL Network You needed to see that Before you
7:37had A different evaluation Of Chuba Hubbard? No I didn't expect No limitations In training camp Oh I mean that's what We've
7:44heard for a while I don't know I've heard like Brought along slowly Speculation that Chuba Hubbard Would start the year As
7:51the lead guy And then they would work Jonathan Brooks in Oh I mean he's I don't think Anything's changed I don't
7:57know Getting first team reps It's just more encouraging For Jonathan Brooks But I don't think Anything's changed Well Chuba Hubbard Fell
8:04a little bit Anyway yesterday Let's see Well nobody wants him Which is understandable I mean he It's like again You know
8:10I hate to keep Saying the Spider-Man meme But it's like him And Tony Pollard Everybody's just like I don't want him
8:17I don't want him I don't want him And then it's like How do I not take him At this point I
8:23took him 82nd overall Yeah that's fine Okay And let's see What else Oh oh this is interesting With um With this
8:30report From Cameron Wolfe Also that Ted Arola McMillan's gonna play More in the slot I think Jamie You may have mentioned
8:36That yesterday But I looked at His numbers He averaged 2 yards Per route run In the slot On 110 routes Not
8:43a lot of routes But he only had A 15% slot rate McMillan But good numbers When he was in the slot
8:49Bad news though For the Panthers Is that Nick Scorton Second year edge rusher Tore his ACL And is out for the
8:56season Very good player for them Liam Cohen said Travis Hunter Is going to play Both offense and defense This season Baltimore
9:03head coach Jesse Minter Says he wants to get Zay Flowers the ball In as many ways As possible Minter said Quote
9:09The more that guy Touches the ball The better we'll be End quote Fernando Mendoza Signed his rookie contract Which means Ty
9:16Simpson of the Rams Is the only unsigned First round pick We had Josh Weinfuss Of ESPN Talking about the Cardinals Writing
9:22about the Cardinals Saying that Marvin Harrison Jr. Is Arizona's Number one wide receiver He wrote In theory And he said That
9:29Michael Wilson Is going to compete For that role Also Arizona news Two players on The Pup List Paris Johnson Offensive lineman
9:35And edge rusher Josh Sweat They're both expected To come off the Pup List pretty soon And Tennessee Offensive tackle J.C.
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10:27new one Dan Schneier You're right Alright Let's take a look At the draft From yesterday 12 teams Three wide receivers Full
10:33PPR If you're looking here You see blue Is receivers Green Running backs Purple The tight ends And red The quarterbacks Jamie
10:40had The What the Sixth pick Seventh pick Seventh pick I had the Tenth pick Dan had More important things To do
10:47No that's not true I was recording Beyond the box score With Dave Richard On his pre-birthday episode That went two hours
10:53long And we enjoyed Every minute of it So yeah That actually was More important To be honest Yeah But Dave was
11:00in the draft So I don't know how that worked But good for Dave Dave missed Two picks That I had help
11:06with Wow What a beast On his birthday Recording with us And he was And it was about His picks The players
11:13he Thought were most overdrafted Wow Great job Dave No It wasn't his birthday Well it was the pre-birthday It was hours
11:19before his birthday Last day of 49 For Dave Yeah how about that All right so He did four hours of programming
11:26Good for him Yeah I know What a beast I'm not gonna really go through Every pick or anything If you want
11:32mock draft review Dave recorded an episode With Bob Harris And Jake Seeley last week You can look at that I'll just
11:39tell you In this draft Puka Nakua went first overall Which was quite surprising Stories on site If you want to read
11:45about it Yeah there you go Stories on the website Puka Nakua went one overall And if you do that What are
11:52you looking at Puka Nakua won Jeremiah Love Brock Bowers In rounds two and three Cam Scadaboo And Terry McLaurin At the
11:59four five turn So Jake started his team Puka Jeremiah Love Brock Bowers Cam Scadaboo Terry McLaurin Could you imagine If it
12:05was Henry instead of Love One pick away Yeah Or even if you know There's no issues Josh Jacobs Right Josh Jacobs
12:12went Four picks after that But in a three receiver league He didn't take a second receiver Until the four five turn
12:18That was Oh let's not talk about Second receivers What's that?
12:21Let's not talk about Second receivers Okay yeah Let's talk about Jamie's team So Jamie picked seventh And you went Running back
12:28Running back And you know I asked you for some takeaways And your first takeaway was Did running back Running back work
12:35When you started Jonathan Taylor Seventh And then Ken Walker In the second round So I Did that purposely Just to see
12:41how I was going to play out And was thrilled With the first three picks And then I had a choice To
12:48make in round four Which was So the first three picks Were Jonathan Taylor Ken Walker And then Emeka Abuka So again
12:54Perfectly happy With how that worked out Get to round four And I have a decision to make So Brees Hall Was
13:01the highest ranked player That I have in my rankings But obviously Going running back Running back In a three receiver league
13:07Probably should have taken A second wide receiver there If there's one thing That I would have changed I'm fine with the
13:14way That it worked out But if there's one thing That I would have changed Would have been to Obviously go away
13:20From what I have at ranked And taken a wide receiver there So I could have had Either Luther Burden Malik Nabors
13:27DJ Moore Terry McLaurin Devontae Adams Mike Evans Any of those guys So I was like You know what I'm going to
13:34take Brees Hall And I'm going to see Which of those receivers If any of them Fall back to me In round
13:40five And then They all went And so I'm like Okay I'll pivot here I'll take Lamar Jackson Who was falling too
13:47far At that point He was still The second quarterback Available Second quarterback My ranking So you know how Our analyst drafts
13:53go It's quarterbacks Fall way too far So that pushes A lot of That doesn't give The opportunity To take a lot
14:00of players That are probably Still going to be available Again Could have taken Christian Watson Or Romo Dunze My next two
14:06highest Ranked receivers Right there But wanted to see How this would all Play out So kind of Made the conscious Decision
14:13And as I explain In the story I know Dan Likes to say this a lot Which is Extremely accurate All points
14:19In your lineup Count the same It's not that The flex Is the ugly stepchild And we just Throw that position Away
14:26and forget Okay we don't need To have a Quality flex there My running back Core is better Than anybody's In this
14:33league By far When you have If they all Stay healthy And perform Like they're Cable Reform So Taylor Walker Breece Hall
14:39My flex Is going to be One of the better Flexes in the league But My second receiver And maybe my third
14:46Receiver Which a lot of People's third Receivers Don't always Stack up as well My second and third Receivers are going To
14:52be questionable So That was kind of The big takeaway Was Did I need to Take a third Running back In the
14:59first four Rounds After starting Running back Running back And I probably Would not do it again So But That's the issue
15:05Here The issue is The round four Pick Not starting Running back Running back Not starting Running back Running back I mean
15:12look Anytime you Have a strategy That unfolds for you So you know You're going to have An idea of what You
15:18want to do Prior to the draft When you know Draft spot But once the draft Unfolds So again I like Ken
15:25Walker A lot He is A top 15 Overall player For me If I was just Following my rankings When I got
15:31to Ken Walker Hampton was the Next highest player On my board as well So I was going Running back Running back
15:38I was taking A running back In round two No matter what Because I like Those two players Better than Anybody that
15:45went After them So then it was Just a matter of How rounds three Plus were going To work out And it
15:51was Just a question Of okay I was going To take a receiver In round three Kyron Williams Was a consideration Because
15:58I have him Ranked a little bit Higher than where He went also But again Starting to look At strategy Versus rankings
16:04And then I kind Of went back To rankings In round four Okay We're going to Take a quick Break and talk
16:11More about this And if you're Does it hurt Your team too much If you're chasing A position We'll discuss When we
16:17come Back on Fantasy Football Today So Jamie What did you Think about Kind of feeling The need To get that Wide
16:24receiver And how it Was affecting Your draft Well I mean Clearly I need To get talented Players there So once we
16:30got Through Lamar Jackson It was a question Of when do I Get a tight end And then what Receivers am I
16:37Sort of chasing That have upside And so Had the decision In round six Of Laporta Craft Pits All on the board
16:44In the order That I have him Ranked would be Laporta Craft Pits So I could have Taken any one Of those
16:50guys And again Okay now I'm Taking a better Tight end Than I end up With but again Sacrificing What I have
16:57to You know sort of Build at my The rest of my Receiving core But I I just started Just to say
17:03Okay I know This tier of Tight ends Are probably Going to go Am I comfortable Enough with that Final tier of
17:10My starters Which are Kittle Kelsey Likely And so that's Kind of how I played it out So I'll let Laporta go
17:16I'll let Pits go I'll let Craft go And I took Alec Pierce Who again As we said Earlier this Week I
17:23think if There was No issues With his Injury Or surgery His ADP Is probably A little bit Higher I think It's
17:29kind Of stayed Stagnant Because of People being Concerned Because clearly The path To success Is there We just Have to see
17:36Him follow That path Quentin Johnston I would draft Probably So if I Played this out Differently I would have Taken Johnston
17:43Let's say As a flex If we were Just looking At it that Way in Round seven Round eight Was like Okay
17:49I'm getting To the point In my Running back Rankings Where I Should probably Take a fourth Guy Just in case The
17:56top Three guys Have any Questions And I Still think Stevenson In this Range Is fine Round eight Based on What we
18:02Saw last Year Took the Tight end In round nine And then you See this Is where It's Am I Chasing Receiver
18:09Too much You know So just Trying to Throw darts At the board Of guys I think That still Have upside In
18:15this Range And I Was really Thrilled With this Group of Receivers So even If I Wasn't Chasing These guys Chasing The
18:22position I probably Would have Taken two Or three Of these Guys As opposed To four Which guys Of the Receivers That
18:28I Drafted So it's Jalen Coker Denzel Boston Antonio Williams And Jack Besh So those Were four Of my Last five Picks
18:35So after Getting the Fourth running Back Getting my Tight end And I Will always Tell everybody When you Get to one
18:41Of the Isolated Positions Look and See what Else Is happening In your League So this Impacted Adam Because when We got
18:48To After Likely And The board Kelsey To me Was the Last Top 12 Tight end In my Rankings And I Checked
18:55to See who Else Has them Adam Or Did not Have a Tight end Adam Was the Lone Fantasy Manager Without a
19:01Tight end So I Knew we Were playing The game Of who's Going to Blink First And take That Player And I
19:08Know he Likes Kelsey So I Wasn't Going to Let him Get the Opportunity To take Kelsey Yeah Do you Find You
19:14know You have Some of Those drafts Where Everything Just falls Into Place Your First Four Picks Like damn Love these Picks
19:21I got all My guys Players Went before Them that I wasn't Expecting It just Fell into Place Maybe this Wasn't that
19:27Draft for you Because you Ended up With Brees Hall In round Four Although I know You were Happy With your First
19:34Three Picks Of Taylor Walker And Abuka For me My first Four Picks Were McCaffrey AJ Brown I was Thrilled About that
19:40At the 10th Pick And then Zay Flowers Garrett Wilson And I Was not Thrilled With that I hated My rounds Three
19:47and Four Picks I I'll Explain In a Bit But my Question for You is When you're Not feeling Great about Your
19:54first Four Picks Assuming They're Some Combination Of Four Running Backs And Receivers Do you Do you Tend to Wait on Quarterback
20:00And or Tight end More In that Scenario And kind Of hammer Running Back and Receiver More Just to Build out Those
20:07Positions If you're Not Satisfied With your First Four Picks So Before I Answer I'll Just take A step Back For a
20:13Second The reason I love Doing mock Drafts And I Do a Lot of Them And I Probably Get criticized The most
20:20When you Read these Drafts Because I Like to Do different Things in These drafts And when We evaluate These things You're
20:26like Oh your Team sucks Or this Pick sucks Or that Pick sucks A lot Of it Is done On purpose Because
20:33I Like to See the Exercise And I Like to Put myself In the Shoes of People That are Like oh There's
20:39Lamar Jackson Sitting There I Think Anybody That knows The way I'm I have To do My job And say Okay How
20:46can You pass On Lamar Jackson Sitting there So what I encourage Everybody to Do and I Explain this In the story
20:53I don't know If I explained It accurately Dan could Say because He read it Please do As many Mock drafts As
20:59you Can You know It just Gives you The opportunity To try As many Things as You want You know So to
21:06Your point Adam Taking Tight end Early Taking Tight end Late Taking Quarterback Early Taking Quarterback Going Three Receivers With Your Second
21:12Third Fourth Picks After Taking Christian McCaffrey In round One Taking Brees Hall In round Four Try It And if It sucks
21:19And you Hate it It's Your team Right So when You get To your Actual Draft Day You have To make These
21:25Same Mistakes Or These Same Trials And Tribulations So I Think Sometimes When you Get Into These Things And How they Unfold
21:32You Have To Make Decisions On Those Isolated Positions So yes Do you Want to Wait On A Tight End Because You
21:38Feel Like You Have To Build Out Your Receiving Core Or You Have To Stack Running Backs Or There's Just Somebody Staring
21:45You In The Face That You Can't Pass Up So For You It Was Probably Drake May For Me It Was The
21:51Those Guys Are Incredible And Let's Just Say He's 26 Points Per Game And Clearly In The Conversation To Be QB One
21:58I Don't Necessarily Have To Win At Receiver Because My Quarterback Is So Dominant And The Way That I Darts At Other
22:05Spots And Hope Either The Waiver Wire Or Trades Or Just Somebody Coming Out Nowhere That I Drafted Later Like A Jalen
22:11Coker Or Antonio Williams Like That Overcomes Maybe Alec Pierce Or Quinton Johnson Sucking So Hopefully That's Not The Case But Again
22:18You Sort of Have To Go In With That Mindset Right Dan I'll Throw Loving The Way My Draft Is Going Yeah
22:24I Think I Go To This Version Of All right Well I'm Going To Try To Wait On Quarterback And Tight End
22:31And Let's Ask Dan This Right So So Dan You're You're Same Build That I Started Right So You Go Two Running
22:37Back Receiver Running Back You Get To Round Five I Don't Know Where You Feel About Christian Watson But Let's Just put
22:44Whatever Receiver There Who You Think Can Have A Breakout Season But Christian Watson Breakout Season Maybe 15 Points Per Game 16
22:50Points Per Game And Then You're That Last Year I Did Try A Couple League Specifically The League We Did Together I
22:57Don't Know If You Were In This Adam I Actually I Know You Weren't In This Adam Every You You It Is
23:04Started Job Standard So I Had Better And There Is A Lot Of Value On A Week To Week Basis To Having
23:10These Stud Quarterbacks Or Whatever It May Be So I've Learned I've Done This I've Another League I took Jaden Daniels Earlier
23:17Or Whoever It Was What What I've found is when you take the stud quarterbacks early, you have a better chance of
23:23being competitive within the year, like a top six type team, but you don't have the best chance of being the best team in the league.
23:31That's how I've experienced it at least to get that chance of being the best team in the league.
23:37In my mind, you have to take as many dart throws as possible at running back and receiver because flex is such an important position.
23:44You talked about it earlier to me. I always stress the importance of it because of what you said, like what you did here.
23:51I love because I think Brees Hulk could outscore most people's flexes by a wider margin than what your wide receiver to or whatever it may be.
23:59So for me, I just do honestly feel like I, I believe in passing on the quarterback.
24:04And last year I tried taking tight ends early to Bowers McBride that killed me as well.
24:09The leagues I ended up doing well in were the ones where I passed on tight end as well.
24:15These are just tough positions in one tight end and one quarterback leagues with 10 or 12 teams.
24:20It's really tough positions to get an edge on when you draft early, in my opinion, at least, especially three receiver leagues with a flex, right?
24:28The more you position you got to start, the worse it is to drafting these players.
24:33And I just want to make mention. So wicked good in the, in the chat.
24:37What if I don't like any of the options for Jamie's draft?
24:41Sorry, just an honest assessment. Do you have more selections just from yes, 1 billion percent.
24:46And that's the point of this is like, you don't have to agree with anything that we do.
24:51We're giving you a sample size of what we would do with those specific players.
24:55And that's just my point. Do mock drafts. Please do mock drafts.
24:59We have a great mock draft product. Other sites have great mock draft products.
25:03Like go out and practice these drafts because again, you may not like something that we do.
25:08We're about to do something we do every year.
25:11Probably I think next week, correct me if I'm wrong again, our pick by pick series where we do, you know, multiple,
25:18we, we, we, we do a six, we do a 12 team league with six people drafting two teams.
25:23So we give you two different ideas. We do, we give you different ideas of what you could do at those draft spots.
25:30And I think it's one of the best things we've done.
25:33We've done it for, you know, for almost 20 years at this point.
25:37It's just giving, you know, this is the evaluation and we give you this player.
25:42We could have taken, not taken favorite pick, worst pick.
25:45It's, it's a great exercise, but it's just something again, like you don't have to like the, the, the players per se wicked.
25:51You might want to like the positions though. Right.
25:54Or the strategy. And that's really the, the, the point behind it is like, do you want to go running back, running
26:01back, whatever two running backs you want could have been McCaffrey and, and Hampton could have been cook and Hedrick Henry.
26:07And then how those receivers build out, you know, if that's the way you want to go or quarterback, whatever.
26:13So it's a lot of just, you know, strategy behind it, not necessarily players.
26:17Okay guys. So let's, I'll just talk about my team and takeaways real quick with my squad.
26:22And I started, I had the 10th pick Christian McCaffrey and AJ Brown.
26:26Oh wait, you know what? Before I sit, before I get that, like Jamie did not take Lamar Jackson over Brees Hall.
26:33I just want to point that out. He took Brees Hall around earlier.
26:36I think if anyone takes Christian Watson over Lamar Jackson, I think that's insanity.
26:41I don't absolutely insane. I don't, unless you feel like you can get Joe Burrow or Drake may the next round, or
26:47you love Jaden Daniel or something like that. What do you mean?
26:51That, that, that would have happened though. No, you wouldn't have got, or you could have taken Daniels, but you couldn't know about that.
26:58I don't know how that's insane. I mean, last year, if you correctly predicted and a lot of people did, we were some of them.
27:05I know most of us on this show were some of them that Drake may was the breakout quarterback in fantasy last year.
27:12Go listen to beyond the box score. I'm not, you could always say, you could always make this case, but if you're
27:19just comparing Lamar Jackson and Christian Watson. Yeah. But Adam, if, if Adam, it's positional, it's a difference in scoring between the
27:25position at any point, Lamar Jackson is going to look like the best pick on the board.
27:30That's like the same can be said about every quarterback.
27:33No, every stands of the draft. I wouldn't say that you should draft Lamar Jackson over even Mike Evans or Devante Adams.
27:40Yeah, but you're crazy. Again, if you're making a case that Watson will outscore either of those two, you don't know.
27:46If you're, if you're playing it out though, Adam, only two quarterbacks were taken after I took Lamar Jackson.
27:52So I could have had one of those guys that they still just went like that.
27:57I mean, maybe, or maybe someone else would have said, Oh wow.
28:00I, I don't know. I agree. But, but if, if we're just playing that game, that game doesn't really apply.
28:06We don't know. You know, it's possible that you could, I'm just saying that Lamar Jackson has two seasons of, of super incredible elite production.
28:14Christian Watson has zero. And also any argument you make about taking a quarterback later, it's absolutely true, but there's also plenty
28:20of quarterbacks that we've taken late to break out that haven't worked out.
28:24And there's plenty of wide receivers that do break out that late, like, like Brian Thomas, Jr.
28:29and Matt McConkie two years ago. And like Michael Wilson last year was a league winner.
28:34You know what I mean? It's just, there is again, the, the path to how these guys get there.
28:39Christian Watson and Alec Pierce could be very similar.
28:42They could, but they're not going to be Lamar Jackson.
28:45Exactly. And they're not going to be, Oh, that's why, again, that's why I made the decision that I did.
28:51It was, it was looking at it as Watson, no dunze.
28:54Uh, I don't remember if you put the board up who, who was in consideration or those were the two.
29:00Jamison Williams, I think may, may went in that range also.
29:04Yeah. Marvin Harrison, Brian Thomas, you know, again, looking at how it played out.
29:08Like I like Watson. I don't want to say significantly better than those guys, but better.
29:12But, and it had burned me before previously, because again, when I took Brees Hall, it was like, okay, which of those
29:19receivers burden neighbors, more McLaurin Adams, Evans could still be there for me looking at the way the board was.
29:25Okay. Josh Allen's the only quarterback off the board.
29:28Probably somebody is going to take it. Nobody did.
29:30Yeah. All right. I think you're looking at it a little bit wrong too, Adam.
29:35I think what you're saying is true. Like there's going to be a Michael Wilson for every Trevor Lawrence that there is,
29:41but the reality is it's much easier to identify the Trevor Lawrence than it is the Michael Wilson, because going into the
29:48year, Trevor Lawrence is playing a hundred percent of the snaps.
29:51No, I get it. Michael Wilson. We don't know the role for these guys in the late, the late round wide receiver hits that end up making it.
30:00But, but Dan, even your Drake may example, Drake may average 24 fantasy points per game last year.
30:05That's okay. Great season. Lamar Jackson could average 30.
30:08So it's not the same. You're not finding the same value late.
30:11You know, you're just saying Lamar Jackson is an outlier.
30:14Yes. Okay. Yes, that's fine. I mean, I don't see it that way, but that's fine.
30:19That's just an evaluation thing. So I feel like you're using your own evaluations here.
30:23You don't agree with the Christian Watson evaluation and you don't know.
30:27And you're over skis on the, not saying it's a bad thing on the Lamar thing.
30:32I do like Christian Watson quite a bit. I just, I just don't see how he could go ahead of Lamar Jackson.
30:38I just, no, I think you're both coming at it the right way.
30:42You're, you're talking about one of these special players at a position that if he hits, he's going to be amazing in Lamar Jackson.
30:49And Dan is right. It's easier to target the later round quarterbacks because you can identify the ones that have the chance to get there.
30:57The later on wide receivers have so many different variables that could change how those outcomes.
31:01Agreed. It's a good point. And someone asked, can Lamar Jackson average 30 points per game this year?
31:07Well, he, he scored 33 or more fantasy points in each of his first three games.
31:12Then he had a bad game against Kansas city.
31:14By the way, this is all six point for passing touchdown leagues.
31:18And then he came back against the dolphins and scored 33.6 points.
31:21He scored more than 33 fantasy points in four of his first five games.
31:26One of those games after missing a month. And then he really struggled because he could not run.
31:31He kept hurting his lower body. He had multiple injuries.
31:34So yes, I believe he can now. I'm never going to say he's going to average 30.
31:39That's an insane season, but I believe that I actually think Lamar Jackson has the most upside at the position.
31:45I would take Allen ahead of him, but I think Jackson has the most upside of the position.
31:50Personally. all right. So just quick thought on my team here and really not my team, but just this conundrum.
31:56I really want an early pick this year, an early round one pick.
32:00I don't, I get nervous at the end of round three and I took Zay flowers.
32:05Uh, at, I love your start. Oh, good. I'm glad.
32:08McCaffrey, AJ Brown, Zay flowers, Garrett Wilson. You know, it's funny.
32:11Zay flowers and AJ Brown averaged the same amount of fantasy points per game last year.
32:16I love that. I took Brown in round two.
32:19I'm slightly nervous that I took flowers around three.
32:21Um, and then I took Garrett Wilson around four and I'm just, I haven't quite nailed down who I love in that range.
32:28Um, assuming Kyron Williams is off the board, which he was, I don't think there's a running back.
32:34I love there. Look at Javante Williams, Travis, H and Brees hall like them.
32:38Don't love them. They're wide receivers that I would love at the end of round three, beginning of round four.
32:44I would, I don't think a lobby is going to make it there.
32:47If Devante Smith or T Higgins or a Mecca, a booka had made it there.
32:52Those are automatic picks to me. None of them made it there.
32:56So they are on ADP. Exactly. ADP tells me I could probably get Devante Smith, T Higgins or a Mecca, booka.
33:02So that's the other thing. Like Josh Allen hadn't come off the board yet.
33:06Um, if you have a league that's drafting three quarterbacks in the first 30 picks or something, then this could be better.
33:13But I don't know, man, I just see a lot of risk with, with flowers and Wilson, um, with McConkie, with Ted row, McMillan, Jalen Waddle, Luther burden.
33:21I had a tough time, Jamie deciding which wide receiver to go there.
33:25I didn't have a ton of conviction in those picks of flowers and Wilson in rounds three and four.
33:30Uh, what's your advice for people picking late in the round?
33:34Well, I guess just to tie in one of the early stories, would you take a neighbors there now?
33:39Not, it's not where I took flowers, but yes, not flowers.
33:43Yes. I would have taken neighbors probably. So I think that's the, that's the perfect strategy.
33:47And I think Wilson qualifies as well. Any of the receivers really in this range qualify.
33:52Like if you're going for this build, especially seeing how quarterbacks are playing it out, like what I probably would have done instead of what you did.
34:00And, and really it's kind of a similar conversation to the quarterback, you know, taking Lamar Jackson was I, I don't, I
34:07don't know if tootin is the right route to go there as opposed to maybe that would have, you know, just to
34:13guarantee yourself the quarterback, if you would have taken him, you know, there, cause you didn't know if you're going to get
34:20mayor Burrow cause two of the other guys could have taken him.
34:23Yeah. Well, so student just for people who are not watching tootin was my fifth round pick.
34:28I went McCaffrey and three receivers, AJ Brown's a flowers, Garrett Wilson didn't have a running back.
34:34And it's getting pretty lean at running back, Bucky Irving at the Andre Swifter off the board.
34:39So I took Bejal Tootin. The next running backs were Travion Pollard, Jadarian price, Jalen Warren.
34:43Again, I didn't love, I didn't love the Tootin pick.
34:46And then I took Drake may, but yeah, but what I'm getting at is like, it's kind of similar to what I
34:53did where it was like, Oh, there's a bunch of receivers that are good, but not necessarily guaranteed production.
34:59Like you're taking some swings, which are good swings, but we'll just see how it plays out.
35:04Like I would have probably just taken the quarterback there and then see which of Tootin, Henderson, Pollard, you know, whatever those
35:10guys fall back to me just to guarantee myself the quarterback.
35:13It worked out in your favor. And again, you had only two other managers to worry about there, but still both of those guys take quarterbacks.
35:21Then you're going into that next tier, which is maybe Jalen hurts, maybe Jane, you know, like if you like those guys, great.
35:28I do. But you know, I think just the, the guaranteed production, that's probably the route I would have gone.
35:34But I, I think just in the way that you started this build, you're a big AJ Brown guy.
35:40I think that was a great pick in round two.
35:43To me, flowers is almost a steal at the end of round three, especially when we're not drafting with Heath.
35:49But you're getting, I think a good player at that spot.
35:52That's where he should go. Garrett Wilson and that group of wide receivers.
35:56I think you had the right build there. Would you have taken Loveland if he was still available?
36:01Cause he went right. One pick. Yeah. I think I would have taken Loveland ahead of Wilson, but not in round three.
36:08Loveland around three is a little bit. He's got to go flowers there or receiver there.
36:12Yeah. I'm just trying to figure out. You would have felt more comfortable if it was Kyron still on the board.
36:19Yeah. I'm just trying to figure out which receivers I love there.
36:22And I love, I love Higgins, Abuka and Devante Smith there.
36:25They were all gone. So if those guys are available, it's not an issue.
36:30When we get to Zay flowers, McMillan, McConkie, Garrett Wilson, Jalen Waddle, Luther Burden, Malik neighbors, it's going to be, it's going to be tough.
36:37And honestly, I think my issue is like, I kind of want to go off the board and draft Mike Evans or
36:44Devante Adams there, but there's, that's so far ahead of their ADP that over who Garrett Wilson over.
36:49Yeah. Over Garrett Wilson, over. Yeah. I have him ranked over.
36:52I have both of them ranked over Garrett Wilson and would take both of them over Garrett Wilson.
36:58Garrett Wilson has been a top 12 receiver in the first six games of the year, two straight years.
37:03And what happened two years ago, they traded for Devante Adams.
37:07So it happened last year. He got hurt, played one game and had like no fantasy points, killed his average.
37:13So I don't want to totally discredit him. But Jamie, who are the wide receivers?
37:17If a Buka, Devante Smith, Higgins and Olave are off the board, who are the wide receivers you love there?
37:23Love would be McConkie. Burden. Flowers. Oh, I'm sorry.
37:26Flowers still available. Yeah. Flowers would be the, I put flowers in the, in the previous group.
37:31So Smith, Higgins, Abuka, Flowers to me are all kind of in the same category.
37:35Then it, then it did. That's where like the, the first real blob comes into play.
37:40So for me, it would be McConkie Wilson. I'm just going in order the way they're drafted, but McConkie Wilson, Waddle, Burden, neighbors, more.
37:47All right. I want to just show this research that hopefully makes some sense.
37:51So I said 30 to 50 earlier. Go back to the board for a second.
37:56All right. I'll remove that. Hold on. Yeah. That's him.
37:59I want to make one quick point. Um, one takeaway.
38:02We got to, can I, all right, after this, we'll go to a break.
38:06Go ahead. I am typically the type of drafter that would love your build, Adam.
38:10When I'm in a PPR league with three wide receivers, I am looking to start with three of my first four picks wide receivers.
38:17And then last year happened and running backs were all the rage for good reason.
38:22Hey, they stayed healthy, which may not happen again, but B they just scored.
38:26As I look at the board, looking in the range where you got to and Hubbard and the running backs, you got,
38:33and the receivers, you could have gotten instead. And then the range where you got Brown flowers and Wilson, the running backs should have gotten instead.
38:40I have a clear feeling that in these snake drafts, I do with you guys, I'm going to be going running back heavy early.
38:48Cause I actually think the running backs are the picks in the range of the Brown flowers, Wilson versus like, can I get tootin or Evans?
38:55Can I get Hubbard or Josh downs, Quentin Johnson?
38:58And I think at that range of the draft, the running backs are terrible compared to the wide receivers at the top of the range of draft.
39:06I'd rather Ken Walker than AJ Brown. I'd rather whoever it is, Kyron Williams or Javante Williams and Zay flowers.
39:12And also these options. I did have the option of Ken Walker versus AJ Brown, but I did not have the option of Kyron Williams versus a flowers.
39:20I'm just using examples here, but you also had Javante instead of, I did not have Mike Evans or Basil tootin.
39:27Evans was off the board. I'm not, I'm not knocking.
39:30But you had, you did have, you did have Jante Walker, Hampton Barkley.
39:33I didn't want to, yeah, I didn't want to start running back, running back in a three receiver league.
39:39Nobody does. And I get that. And I never do.
39:42I just think this is an interesting year. I think the value is running backs early and the value is receivers later.
39:49Maybe that's a good point. I mean, again, just to Dan's point, like if it worked, you know, take hall off the, or forget, keep hall there.
39:57Like Mike Evans makes it one more pick and I am, let's play this league out for a billion dollars.
40:03Right. You're saying if you, if Mike Evans had fallen to you in round five, you took Lamar Jackson, one pick after
40:09Evans, you would have been very happy about that.
40:12Yeah. If I would have started Taylor Walker, Abuka, Hall, Evans.
40:15That's the thing. I think that five is better than the five you're going to get going receiver early, but it's a PPR league.
40:22That's the problem. So I get both ways and it's hard to go running back heavy in a PPR league.
40:28But even to your, to the way you started talking about your team, Adam, I almost think if you do want to
40:35go the way Dan is going, and even the way that I started, just forget about how it sort of took a little bit of a different turn.
40:43Picking at the back end of round one is fantastic.
40:46Yeah. Yeah. I hate the back end. If you, if you, cause McCaffrey, McCaffrey is probably going to go sooner than he
40:53went here based on B, which will, and James Cook's not going to go this high.
40:57So let's just switch those two players. Um, HN is a wild card cause he can go, I think anywhere from 12
41:04to, you know, 15, eight to 18. Um, but I think if you do want to go running back, running back, you
41:10could have some start of Taylor cook, McCaffrey, and then round two of HN Brown, Gentty Walker Hampton.
41:16And then you're still looking at, I think three are very good receivers because again, what ADP is telling us, you'll still
41:22be in the range of Smith, Higgins, a Buka.
41:25And then that still puts you in the, in the potential of whoever you like, their neighbors, Evans, all those guys.
41:31Like, I think it could be fantastic. So I could have saved 10 minutes of time and just said, let's do a
41:38mock draft and figure out which wide receivers. If you, if you're picking in rounds, three and four kind of near the
41:44turn, which ones do you really like? And if you think you can get two of them, then that should influence your draft strategy.
41:52I was going to show all this research about which wide receivers have come out of the 30 to 48 range.
41:58It's kind of difficult to see the ones in red or busts.
42:01The ones in green are hits. Um, there were only five wide receivers, 30 to 48 and ADP on fantasy pros in 2023.
42:08There were 10 or 11 each of the last two years, more red than green.
42:13I think you'll notice. So when I go back to last year, JSN and obvious hit, um, Devante Adams and obvious hit,
42:19uh, what you're looking at these numbers are where they finished per game, uh, where they finished, where they finished overall, where
42:26they finished per game and where their offense ranked.
42:28So JSN was wide receiver two overall, wide receiver two per game and eighth best offense.
42:33Um, but I guess my, what I came away with this is that there is no profile that over the last three
42:40years that would suggest this is the type of player.
42:43For example, lab McConkie versus Garrett Wilson. The chargers offense is going to be so much better than the jets, but Keenan
42:49Allen three years ago was wide receiver three per game on the 20th best office.
42:54Malik neighbors two years ago was wide receiver eight per game on the 31st ranked offense.
42:59Garrett Wilson last year, he technically was wide receiver 15 per game, but again, top 12 in his healthy games, they were
43:0529th in offense and they sucked when he was on the field.
43:09So I'm just saying like, there's no, there's no profile of this is the type of player you should target there.
43:15Sometimes I do research and I come up with this to me, like great conclusion.
43:19Sometimes there's no conclusion and that is helpful too, because it means you shouldn't just eliminate a player.
43:25Cause you're always on a bad offense. All right, let's take a break and read some emails.
43:30I only have about 13 minutes left. I'm sorry.
43:33So we'll go through the emails quickly. We'll be back after this on fantasy football today.
43:37All right. This email is from start with Tom in Chicago.
43:41All right. He says, dear Robert, Ben, Lewis, Val, Adam, George, Michael, and Christian.
43:45No help Dan out. Dear Robert. Sorry. One more time.
43:48Robert, Ben, Lewis, Val, Adam, George, Batman. Yeah. Let's see.
43:51Why is, I think this is a comment about Jamie's rankings.
43:54Why is Devon HN ranked 11th? Oh, wait, no, it's not.
43:57It's about Jamie. He agrees with Jamie. Um, why is Devon HN ranked 11th overall on an expected crappy offense with a
44:04Russian quarterback when Hampton, Barkley, Henry, and Walker are ranked lower?
44:07Why is AJ Brown ranked wide receiver 11 behind number two options like, like George Pickens and players on a lesser offense like Collins and London?
44:15Is he not expected to score touchdowns? So basically, uh, Jamie thinks Jamie, Tom thinks that the industry is too high on
44:21HN and too low on AJ Brown. I mean, I would agree.
44:25I, I, I think when it comes to a chance scenario, you know, we've had running backs on bad teams perform very well.
44:32Brees Hall did it with the jets. I believe his second season, uh, Christian McCaffrey has done it with the Panthers.
44:38Like there's players that can overcome terrible scenarios, but again, numbers are numbers and they tell us stories and to a tongue
44:45of Iloa, 25 games with Devon HN the last two years, he averaged 21 and a half PPR game, PPR points per
44:51game, eight games for HN without Tua. He averaged 10.5 PPR points per game.
44:55That's glaring to me. So I don't think he's going to be that bad.
44:59And obviously the backup quarterbacks that replaced Tua in those eight games don't have as much upside as Malik Willis running quarterbacks,
45:0610 open running lanes, but you know what they're facing.
45:09They're facing a situation of a lot of stack boxes to stop the run.
45:13Most teams will try and stop the run. When you have a receiving core like Miami's, you may see every defender in
45:20the box trying to just take away what they do, um, and make them just beat you over the top.
45:26So I just don't think it's going to be a great situation for HN.
45:30We know when teams have low expected win totals that correlates to touchdowns, points scored points against.
45:35I don't think they're going to win very many games.
45:38They're projected win totals, four and a half. Uh, the passing numbers are really scary for me, you know, again, to a
45:44top two in target rate to running backs over the last two years, Malik Willis last in that category.
45:50The last two years, it's just a lot of things stacking up against them.
45:54In the case of AJ Brown, I'll go, you know, I say this a lot, the six game stretch, I should have
46:01it, you know, fully, but the six game stretch where he averaged over 19 PPR points per game, it was like week
46:07nine through week 16, um, missed a game in there.
46:10But, um, that still speaks to what he's capable of doing.
46:14And I think Drake may, what he got out of Stefan digs last year compared to two players, like it's night and day.
46:20So I think AJ Brown's got a chance to, you know, compete to be a top five wide receiver this season.
46:27All right. Next question is from Mike. What do you think Dan, I'll give us to you.
46:32What do you think about pairing Patrick Mahomes with Kyler Murray?
46:35I love it. I think that's a great strategy for this year in fantasy football.
46:40Um, and it kind of goes to what we were talking about before, like Mar Jackson, he's staring at you around six.
46:46It seems amazing. I get it. He can score all these points, but you wait, you keep piling up running backs and
46:53receivers and look at what you might be able to Frankenstein out at quarterback with these two playing the matchups.
46:59Um, obviously Kyler would have to win the job and keep the job, but I have Kyler ranked obnoxiously and almost irresponsibly
47:05high in my rankings after looking into a bunch of things and doing my rankings and mostly based on how easy that Viking schedule is going to be.
47:13And some of the comments from Kevin O'Connell recently about wanting to get back to being a pass first offense, which I think is really important.
47:21Um, so I love it. And my homes, it's more of just like, this is the cheapest you'll look at him in his career.
47:28I don't like, I want to be in on the homes this year at his ADP for sure.
47:34Cause it's like, what the heck are we doing here?
47:37QB 15 is he or whatever? And ADP was he 15 or 16 or lower even?
47:41Uh, I thought it was like, yeah, he's no, I don't think he's lower than that.
47:46I'll tell you in a second. He's pretty low.
47:49Um, but the issue for 14. Yeah. So it's like crazy.
47:52Like we've never gotten my homes at this price.
47:55It's unreal. The same time though, like one, I don't expect him to run as much, which kind of saved his fantasy
48:01value last year, the running, which when you dig into the numbers was what saved it.
48:06And then two, it's, it didn't really add any actual receiving weapons or talent to get me excited about that offense.
48:12So I, it almost feels a little trappy there, but obviously with Murray, it's fine.
48:17Question from the chat, Dan, which character in the story is Frankenstein?
48:20What does that mean? Who's Frankenstein? What are you talking about?
48:24Who is Frankenstein in this, in Frankenstein? Yeah. Who is Frankenstein?
48:27I don't know. He's the guy they did the experiment on and he became Frankenstein.
48:31I think I know this. You don't know it.
48:34He's the doctor. Oh, the doctor. Okay. I don't know Frankenstein.
48:37Oh God. How could I not know Frankenstein lore?
48:40Common misconception. Uh, this is from Eric Whedon. Just finished.
48:43Today's episode had some thoughts on the Jerry Maguire debate.
48:46Jerry Maguire is a sports movie as much as diehard is a Christmas movie, which is to say not at all.
48:52Jerry Maguire is a movie with football as a backdrop, just like diehard just happens to take place on Christmas Eve, not plot driving.
48:59So almost definitionally not sports or Christmas movies respectively.
49:02Now that, okay. I'm not here for that part of the email.
49:06This is the part I'm here about. Jamie's bad faith argument of naming the extras who play football players made me think,
49:12is the dark night rises a football movie to a big scene takes place in a football stadium where Ben Roethlisberger plays the quarterback for the Gotham road.
49:21Does Ben Roethlisberger? I thought, I know Heinz Ward was in it.
49:24I don't know if Ben Roethlisberger. Roethlisberger is in the, uh, when they're doing the national anthem.
49:29Oh, okay. Yeah. So yeah, dark night rises clearly then a football movie.
49:33Heinz Ward and Ben Roethlisberger are in it and there's a scene in a football stadium.
49:38No, no, no, not even close. Of course it is.
49:41No, you can have things in a movie that still don't represent what the movie is.
49:46And my heart is 100% of Chris will be when the writer of the movie told us that cares about him.
49:52No, that is actually defining you that after that, you should have admitted you were wrong.
49:57It was a really, it's, it says a lot about you, Adam.
50:00And I really have to reconsider parts of our friendship that you didn't admit you were wrong after the literal person who
50:07created the movie said it was a Christmas movie.
50:09But beyond that, as we move forward to Jerry Maguire, it's a movie about a sports agent, a sports agent.
50:15Yeah. Falling in love. It's that it has, there's no sports in it.
50:19Sports agent. Oh, you're so simple. You're so basic, bro.
50:22Um, now if the only thing in the movie was like him playing cash with the kid, like if that was the
50:29only sports part of it and it was a love story, like you contend it is, then you're wrong.
50:34But what, when you look it up, what's the first thing that, that pops up?
50:39You sent us this, I don't know. Don't listen to this stupid Gemini.
50:43I don't know anything. What's the first word? I don't, I don't, it's probably the Jerry sports sports.
50:48All right. From what this email is from Weston.
50:51Who wrote Jerry Maguire? I'm going to, I'm going to get him on the show.
50:55Is it Cameron Crowe? We're going to get him on the show.
50:59You talk about how in three receiver leagues, there's a higher premium on receiver.
51:03Does that change for two receiver, two flex formats?
51:06What would the best strategy be in a two receiver, two flex format?
51:10Typically, like almost a three receiver league, you know, so you still want to try and get in my, in my view, receivers still matter a ton.
51:18And once you get past the high end running back.
51:21So I, I would still treat it as try and get a receiver in one of those spots, if not both those
51:27spots, again, depending on how you draft, you know, especially after I just took three running backs for one to be my
51:34flex, but I consider Brees all a high end, you know, elite type player.
51:38Um, yeah, I would just lean wide receiver, I guess would be the answer.
51:42Okay. What about it? It's half PPR, two flex.
51:45Then I think just best player available. Okay. From, Oh, by the way, I'm not sure if I guess it's always best player available.
51:52I guess just, I would lean toward, I wouldn't, I wouldn't necessarily say you have to pigeonhole yourself into trying to get one of those specific positions.
52:00I don't know if I said who wrote the email about Jerry McGuire, but it was, there we go.
52:06Yeah. Now an email from Charles. Charles says, Matthew Stafford is historically a target funnel who has generated elite wide receiver production.
52:12What is the mean median outcome for Stafford's wide receiver two over his career?
52:16Uh, this is in relation to Devante Adams. So I looked at just his career with the Rams in 2021, Cooper cup
52:23was wide receiver one and Robert Woods was wide receiver 19 per game, but he did have 46 yards and a touchdown rushing in 2022.
52:30That was kind of a mess. Matthew Stafford played nine games.
52:34Cooper cup was great, but no other player did anything 2023.
52:37You had Puka Nakua wide receiver six per game and Cooper cup wide receiver 24 per game.
52:42And that included a game where he played 27% of the snaps and scored two fantasy points.
52:472024 pretty, pretty much the same. Puka Nakua wide receiver four per game and Cooper cup wide receiver 23 per game.
52:53And another game where he left fairly early. And last year wide receiver one per game, it was Puka and Adams was wide receiver nine per game.
53:01So based on this, you got four out of five seasons where the number two receiver finished 24th or better per game.
53:08And that's basically exactly Adams ADP. Yeah. Kind of interesting, right?
53:11Very interesting. Then here's one on Zay flowers in the same email from Charles flowers had 1200 yards in a season where
53:18receivers caught less yards and they, than they have in recent years.
53:21Right. It was a really bad year for wide receiver twos.
53:25Um, do you value flowers production more or anyone's production more in that, for that matter, if they did it in a year where few others succeeded.
53:33So, you know, I could go either way on that, Dan, because yeah, it is impressive in this environment, especially on a
53:39run heavy team that flowers was able to score 14.7 points per game.
53:43However, that made him wide receiver 12 per game.
53:46If he does that again and wide receivers bounce back, he's going to be more like wide receiver 24.
53:51Right. And then we're overdrafting him. Yeah. Flowers is an interesting one.
53:55They just said yesterday, we, we heard that comment you brought up at the top of the show.
54:00They want to design more play. They already got him the ball a lot.
54:04I don't need more touches. I need more touchdowns from Zay flowers.
54:08And that's the bigger, more critical question. Like, will that ever come?
54:12What's the number that you make, you would make you feel comfortable taking him in round three out of eight, eight.
54:18Yeah. Eight touchdowns. And he's a great pick in round three.
54:21He's what does he top that at like five?
54:24Yep. Yeah. Eight touchdowns for sure. I look at the way.
54:27It's so funny how we, we, we think like eight is such a hard number to get to, but it really is for some of these players.
54:35And it's also goes to show why players like Adams and Evans are great values because you can, they're probably going to score a lot of touchdown guys.
54:43And that really defines the game in a lot of ways.
54:47They don't have to do much else. Adams. I said this yesterday.
54:50I think I'm beyond the box or with David.
54:53Do you know what Devante Adams points per game was last year?
54:57Like 17. No, no, no. What wide receiver rank.
54:59Nine. And if you look at every game lock, he barely got targets and barely caught the ball.
55:05No, that's not true. He's got a lot of targets.
55:08Go look at it. He got a lot. He had 114 targets in 14.
55:12I'm about to go. No, I'm about 114 targets.
55:14It's not a lot. 14 games. He's on pace for 134 targets.
55:18I think that's a lot. That's not a crazy number to finish wide receiver nine.
55:22And that's a great number for a second guy.
55:25And it's a great number in that offense. I mean, it's, can I go over something with you as far as yards goes?
55:32Oh yeah. I know he, he was pretty, his, he was ninth overall in points per game with 51, 56, 56, 88, 39, 35, 60, 77.
55:40He was 34 in receptions. Right. He's yards. He had 17, 189 yards receiving.
55:44Well, I mean, listen, any, any time you can say that that's the one stat we have the most difficult time predicting,
55:50which is why people hate it or a handful of players that you know, have the opportunity to be very good at doing that.
55:58How many times are you worried about Adams is, is where does he win or lose this year?
56:03Does he win in his catches and yards coming up?
56:06Because he's not going to score 14 again. Again, I think you can pencil in eight and hope for 10, but I don't think we're getting 14.
56:14I think you can pencil in 10 and hope for 14.
56:17Yeah, that's tough. Why not? Well, I think Dan, the argument against what you're saying with Adams is that people would go,
56:24well, he had a career low catch rate. He only was on pace for 958 yards.
56:29He's 33 years old. He's declining. I didn't really see it that way.
56:32I thought he got open very well. So did fantasy points, data suite.
56:36So did ESPN's analytics. And he had the highest percentage of off target, target throws in his career, I believe.
56:42So I think there's room for more, a much better catch rate.
56:46And then what was that stat I gave? Like 86% of wide receivers in the last decade who have caught eight or
56:52more touchdowns have finished top 24 per game. So if he scores eight or more touchdowns, which you just said, he's probably going to do.
57:00He's almost a lock to be top 24. He's 80 P.
57:03Right. He is 24th right around there. You also have what could be one of the most suffocating defenses in the league.
57:10Yes. And that's true. Not that that takes away from the office.
57:13I think that's a stupid argument on principle because they're still going to want to score points, but they just may not have to.
57:20Yeah. I think that's worse for the yards than the, than the touchdowns upside when you have a great defense.
57:26All right. Let me ask you a few keeper questions to end today's show.
57:30This is from Charles Chris Olave in the fifth or Tucker craft in the 10th PPR.
57:35Olave for me. Olave. This is from Richard. Which of these four players would you keep?
57:40There's no penalty to keep them. So I think you're just keeping one.
57:44It's two points for a reception. One point per carry and a hundred yards for a bonus at a hundred yards rushing
57:50or, and or receiving, but it's only one point for 20 rushing yards.
57:54So again, two, there's four running backs here. Interesting.
57:57Two points per reception. One point for carry bonus at a hundred yards rushing and or receiving and one point for every 20 yards.
58:04Are you keeping Bucky Irving? Kyron Williams, Travis H.
58:07And or Bejal Tootin? Kyron. Yeah. I still think it's Kyron.
58:10In that format. I hope so. It's just, I don't know how many catches or carries he's going to get.
58:16That's a problem for that. Obviously. But there, I like that what Jamie was talking about with their dominant defense.
58:22If aren't Aaron O'Donnell comes back, I'd like that for Kyron.
58:25This is from Tim. This is from Tim. That will determine how many wide receivers are potentially still available for you.
58:32Because you come back to round two, you still can get a really good wide receiver.
58:36And then you have those three running backs, but see what, how it plays out.
58:41I think a case could be made that Jason Puga could be just as good a pick as any of those guys.
58:47Specifically, Bijan. James in DC, three receiver league with a flex.
58:51Keep two. Abuka in the fifth, Pickens in the sixth, Javante in the eleventh, Tootin in the eleventh.
58:56Ooh. Go Cowboys. You didn't have to read that.
58:59I mean, this is, no, it's, that's the answer.
59:01It's Pickens in the sixth, Javante in the eleventh, or Abuka in the fifth.
59:05Obviously we're going to keep Pickens. Javante in the eleventh, yeah.
59:09And Tootin in the eleventh. I think it's, yeah, it is Pickens and Javante.
59:13Value wise. I would go Abuka and Javante. And I'm fine with that.
59:17I'm sorry, Pickens is after Buka? Yeah, Pickens is later.
59:20Oh no, Pickens is cheaper than Abuka. Oh yeah, Pickens and Javante.
59:23Yep. I'm sorry, Dan, I didn't want to say go Cowboys.
59:27Yeah, well you did. James in DC also says, shout out to my home league commissioner, who's a long time listener of
59:33the podcast and goes out of his way to make videos and even a league trophy to keep everyone engaged and having fun.
59:40Nice. That's awesome. That's awesome. Well, that's it for today's show.
59:43We're going to talk to you on Monday and position previews are starting late next week.
59:48So, that's awesome. Dan, what are your stupid weekend plans?
59:51Um, what is this? I'm going to a kids party type thing on Saturday.
59:55So, I'll be one of the only non-dads there.
59:58So, that'll be fun. Wait, does this just gonna show up?
60:01No, it's like my friend's kids party. I gotcha.
60:04Um, no, it's like all the friends. Anyway, we'll be doing that.
60:07And then Sunday, I don't know. I don't have any plans yet for Sunday.
60:12You want to go play some tennis? I'm too injured, man.
60:15I got to get healthy. Are you really that injured?
60:18I can barely walk today. Wow. After signs of you in your six, four getting four games, some signs of you trending up.
60:25Yeah. Are you just doing this as mental warfare?
60:27It's like a reverse psychology. It really sucks. I'm not gonna be able to really train for this.
60:33How's your shoulder? Mine? Yeah. From the. that's fine.
60:35Oh my God. I had a shoulder thing. Shoulders fine.
60:38This guy's just injured, injured and sick. 90% of his life.
60:42So I can never leave the house. He's the boy in the bubble.
60:46All right. We're about to go leave the house now.
60:49We'll talk to you next week. Have a great weekend, everybody.
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