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Ian Hartitz's 5 Favorite Fantasy Football Picks

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Jun 17, 2026

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Wed, June 17, 2026

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Caleb WilliamsChigoziem OkonkwoNico CollinsChuba HubbardDrake MayeJalen HurtsJoe BurrowJosh AllenLamar JacksonLuther BurdenMalik WillisTyler Warren

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Caleb Williams

PositiveProjection0:09

Hartitz projects Caleb Williams as a top-tier quarterback with potential for significant improvement, noting he finished QB7 in points per game last year despite not having gaudy touchdown numbers or high yards per attempt, and he's one of the most physically gifted quarterbacks in the league.

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Caleb Williams dramatically improved his pressure-to-sack rate from worst in the NFL in 2024 to third-best in 2025, showing significant year-two improvement in avoiding sacks.

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Hartitz is bullish on Caleb Williams' supporting cast, specifically praising Ben Johnson as the offensive coordinator and buying into tight end Colston Loveland, Luther Burden, and Roma Dunze as complementary pieces.

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Hartitz projects the Bears offense to become a perennial top-five offense under Caleb Williams, similar to the Lions' year-two jump under Dan Campbell, with the culture and system now established.

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Hartitz believes Caleb Williams could see a significant jump in rushing touchdowns (5-6 range) similar to Trevor Lawrence's 9 rushing scores last year, which would add 36+ fantasy points and elevate him to a top-three quarterback season.

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Chigoziem Okonkwo

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Hartitz views Chigoziem Okonkwo as his most drafted tight end this offseason, projecting he could clear 100 targets with a healthy Jaden Daniels and become the number two pass game option in the Commanders offense.

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Hartitz highlights Chigoziem Okonkwo's elite yards after the catch ability, noting he ranks seventh in yards after the catch per reception over the last four years and top-eight in tackles avoided per reception.

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Hartitz prefers Chigoziem Okonkwo as a late-round tight end dart throw because he has upside to be the number two pass game option, unlike Hunter Henry who at best finishes as TE10-11.

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PositiveDepth Chart0:17

There is uncertainty around Chigoziem Okonkwo's role if another free agent tight end signs with Washington, which could impact his target share and ADP valuation.

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Despite being a second-round pick, Hartitz views Nico Collins as undervalued with positive regression potential given his elite yards per target and yards per reception metrics from 2023-2024.

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PositiveProjection0:03

Hartitz projects Nico Collins will score significantly more touchdowns this year, noting the Texans were 32nd in red zone touchdown percentage (32%) and he had only 3 touchdowns despite a 37% red zone success rate.

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PositiveRole0:03

Despite Jalen Higgins joining the Texans, there is still a way to funnel targets to Nico Collins as the alpha receiver in the offense.

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NegativeUsage0:04

Nico Collins had four or fewer targets in five of the final six games of last season, raising concerns about consistent volume despite his elite talent.

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Tyler Warren

PositiveValue0:14

Hartitz is interested in drafting Tyler Warren in the round six range as the one tight end where he can see significant upside, especially if he didn't get Colston Loveland earlier.

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0:46I think it's a great day to be great because Ian Harditz is on the frickin' program today with the five players he can't stop drafting this summer.

0:54I gotta say, Ian, you take us from the second round to the 16th round in today's episode.

0:59You will bring us on a real adventure here on the show.

1:02We got some sick ones and I swear to you, all the listeners, these are guys high exposure.

1:07I wanna say I'm at least 20 if not 25% drafted with all these.

1:11So I'm gonna tell you guys why I feel good about it.

1:15And if you disagree, that's fine. Just know these are who I'm drafting, all right?

1:19For better and for worse. Facts. Yeah, I love to hear the skin in the game, but like the truth of the

1:25matter is it's about a reputation here. So like who cares about the $100 on these guys?

1:30It's about a reputation. That's what we're here for.

1:32Yeah, and Ian is very comfortable in his skin.

1:35And you'll see that with some of the later names that we talk about here.

1:39You know, he's not hiding anything. He's being his real true on his self in front of the camera.

1:44And by the way, if you like this series, we do one nearly every single week.

1:49So hit that subscribe button here on the channel and we'll talk about Ian's work as we go along here.

1:54All right. That sets us up with the first name.

1:57And that is the 10th pick of the second round at this moment.

2:01The wide receiver nine off the board, Nico Collins.

2:032026 offensive player of the year, Nico Collins. I think we were just a year.

2:07I think we were a year early to the party guys.

2:10He just got paid. He's only 27. I'm aware of what happened, you know, in Foxborough.

2:15It wasn't exactly the best showing for CJ Stroud last time we saw him, but I still think he's a quarterback capable

2:21of getting a true top dog alpha talent like Nico going.

2:24And we've seen that man. You look at it 38 games together, even though of course, the playoffs 79 yards per game

2:3015.8 PPR points per game, even with the Davis, you know, even with the non CJ Stroud.

2:35I've experienced going there only Puka Nakua's got more yards per out run over the course of these past three seasons.

2:41So I think we've had all the stats that tell us Nico's a superstar.

2:44You guys watch as much fun as anyone watching them.

2:47I think he's a freaking superstar. It just hasn't quite come together.

2:51We had the hamstring and the calf injuries in 2324, some Stroud injuries in 2025.

2:55What if this is a year where we see Nico 17 games, 160 targets?

2:59I think top three upside position very much on the table.

3:02I haven't ranked ahead of ADP is a great shout out.

3:05Even though he's a second round pick. I do think that he's undervalued a little bit here.

3:09Some positive regression. Like you said, the same cutoff since 2023, his yards per target, all that stuff at the very top of the class.

3:16Last year, though, 62% catchable ball rate. That was at 76% in both 2024 and 2023.

3:21It just fell off this last year. He also had a 3% screen rate last year versus 16% in the years previous to that.

3:27Can we turn that thing around here? Some easy buttons.

3:30This guy is so ridiculous after the catch. And then last one, the Texans were 32nd in percentage of their red zone

3:36drives, finishing with a touchdown at 32%. That's a stat that we all know leads to improvements.

3:41Very, very good thing to be betting on. And he only had a negative 8% completion percentage over expected on his red zone targets.

3:4837% success rate, just three touchdowns. He's going to score a lot more touchdowns this year.

3:52And as much as we like Jeeden Higgins, there's still a way to funnel targets to Nico Collins.

3:57And if I was ranking real life wide receivers fourth.

4:00Ooh, love that. The funneling the targets statement is an interesting one to me because we know Nico has alpha ability, but

4:06he also had four or fewer targets in five of the final six games of last year.

4:11Now, all those were wins. And, and, you know, we like to talk about in this program, how much and how different

4:17a great defense can lead to maybe lesser opportunity and lesser fancy points.

4:20And we know that Houston Texans are like one of three that can do that for their offensive players.

4:26And so, you know, in my brain, Ian, I would like to think that, Hey, a good play caller could force more

4:32than four targets in the direction of Nico Collins.

4:34But at the same time, these aren't screens like Hayden's talking about.

4:38It's not like six yard hitches or easy RPOs.

4:40You know, we're going to have a lot of pressure on the field.

4:44I guess my one concern is that what we got from Bobby Sloick and in each of those two years, it was around like 5.5 receptions per game.

4:52I was hoping we'd see like this massive jump under Nick Cayley and heading into year two of Nick Cayley.

4:57I'm still trying to figure out what he actually brings to the table as a play caller, what he brings the table as an offensive coordinator.

5:04do you have an answer for me on that exactly I was wondering if you guys have done any research about do

5:10we actually see play caller improvement from year one to year two because on the one hand you'd like to think hey

5:17extra offseason in the system more familiarity and all that stuff but on the other hand it's like you can also look

5:23at you know Cliff Kingsbury for example Washington like I think defenses having that extra year to kind of figure everything out

5:29can also maybe be the you know devil's advocate to that point so I hear you there can the offensive line hold

5:35up for three seconds so Stroud can you know actually target Nico downfield that's another concern but just again whenever evaluating these

5:41receivers like do they have the real life talent do they have the possible volume do they have the quarterback that can

5:47get in the ball and then like are they someone in the age range that we can trust and three and a

5:53half stars and I'm kind of you know believing in CJ Stroud and going that extra mile so I think he's a

5:59pretty clear top 10 receiver and fans I'd be surprised if too many people have him ranked outside of that and again

6:05just based on the real life talent he's a bet I want to make and also guys you look at again this

6:12lovely ADP grid Hayden continue to vibe code better than anyone out here but I just think this eight block running back

6:18train going from round one to round two I see everyone just all of a sudden pounding running backs early because that's

6:24been the move for the past few years and I'm not trying to be a contrarian just for the sake of being

6:30a contrarian but you guys have played fantasy football long enough like me I seriously think we have something figured out a

6:36lot of times that's when you know everything gets flipped on its head so I do like the idea man I've been

6:42trying to just you know embrace not full zero but you know get a hero RB and then get three of these

6:48just stud wide receivers so again I do like Nico but I think another aspect of me drafting a lot of them

6:54so far is just trying to zag a little bit here and just not take the same freaking running backs as everyone

7:00else in round two yeah I really hope the three new offensive linemen that the Texans have like that makes the difference

7:07I'm not sold on that we're talking about a rookie uh somebody with some injuries uh and then Wyatt Teller who's like

7:13with a lot of injuries out there and some age but in theory they can go from what 31st 32nd offensive line

7:19can we get to the 24th and maybe that's like the difference of them sustaining some drives being better in the red

7:25zone better on play action and then CJ's drive was just way worse last year than he was in the previous seasons

7:31like yeah hopefully that just turns around I'm not saying that it for sure will but last year was a really bad

7:37season for him better in the red zone is like the easiest thing for this to clear I mean the Texans were

7:4329th in red zone touchdown success rate last year that simply should not happen with what they have uh on offense I

7:49mean that's 46 percent of their drives that reach the red zone score touchdowns uh the Chargers the Jets and the Northern

7:55Saints were the worst teams and yeah I mean if they actually have a semblance of a running game because the offensive

8:02line and because of Dave Montgomery then you would like to think that that would create you know better looks for them

8:08to throw down the field that's for sure and like all these wide receivers Ian as you pointed out have questions that

8:14are going around him I mean Drake London the quarterback that he's connected to AJ Brown have we sensed the decline a

8:20little bit uh and in a new spot uh so yeah Nico Collins if you wanted to rank him the highest of

8:26this kind of cluster of wide receivers uh I have zero argument lineups where I can get two or three of these

8:32guys before that cliff starts coming man rice and neighbors red flags are pretty obvious and I like plenty of the round

8:38four guys too you know the burdens the bucas the lads of the world and everything but like there's definitely more questions

8:44for those guys as opposed to Devante Olave like if we're getting the good blood clot news and Olave you can probably

8:50draw the line there but I think that's another case man for trying to get one if not two of these you

8:57know top 12 or so players all right great start next up the quarterback six off the board the 10th pick in

9:03the sixth round his name is Caleb Williams 2026 MVP Caleb Williams perhaps hey this is an award show it's it's a

9:09little bit aggressive I get it but you know we finished QB seven points per game last year he finished fantasy as

9:15a QB seven in points per game even though he didn't have this gaudy touchdown right even though he didn't even average

9:21seven yards per attempt because this is one of the most physically gifted quarterbacks in the league hey and I saw you

9:27tweeting after week one man like how fast Caleb just looks out there Caleb Williams was responsible for four of the top

9:33five next gen stats fastest ball carrier times at quarterback shout out Bo Nix for getting in there on the other one

9:39we know he can run from year one to year two his ability to just stop taking sacks is unfreaking believable guys

9:45only Will Levis had a worse pressure to sack rate in 2024 then all of a sudden Caleb said you know what

9:51I'm just gonna still avoid more sacks than anyone but I'm also not gonna take them third best pressure to sack rate

9:58in the NFL and it's like yeah I would like to see the dude complete 60% of his passes you know again

10:04it's not like Josh Allen where we're going back to his high school stats and saying he's never done it he averaged

10:10almost a 70% completion rate at USC so when I watch Caleb he makes throws that no truly I know we'd like

10:16to say this a lot only three quarterbacks can make that throw like that is an actual fact for Caleb Williams I

10:22believe in the talent rushing the ball throwing the ball we love Ben Johnson I like buying into Colson Loveland Luther Burden

10:28and Roma Dunze and Caleb is a master of it all I think we could see and they were already good last

10:34year so it's not quite the same thing but like the jump in the Dan Campbell Lions from the first year kind

10:40of establishing the culture and then year two is becoming a perennial top five offense I think we're about to see the

10:46Bears at the top of the league for the foreseeable future I think this is year starts happening I pretty much have

10:53no notes on top I just wanted to 24 I mean I was I saw a chart out there the biggest like

10:59leap in NFL history from like sack rates from year one to year two was Caleb Williams this last year no so

11:05a lot of it's just offensive line they got a lot better offensive linemen uh more uh better skill talent especially in

11:11the in the underneath area and then they have the the upside here with all these guys I have like no notes

11:17I all these guys are grouped together um here so I would definitely rather have Caleb than Jalen Hurts at this point

11:23that's how ADP has it but I think that he's appropriately priced and especially if you have Colston Loveland who is stacked

11:29vertically in the same area like Colston Loveland and Caleb Williams uh that to me is all day the sack numbers obviously

11:35Caleb has a part in that to play too but it's just like fixing the interior it goes from being awful to

11:41average uh and so you know the quick pressures instant disruptions those don't take plays immediately one thing I want to bring

11:48up is kind of how you started this conversation in terms of just his athleticism I think one of these seasons it

11:54might not be this year but it could be uh we're gonna get you know a year of five or six rushing

12:00touchdowns and he had three last year none as a rookie he's not as tall as Trevor Lawrence but we kind of

12:06just saw one of these seasons for Trevor that he got nine rushing scores like to me that is in the potential

12:12outcomes here for Caleb Williams Ian and if that's the case like you know that's another 36 fantasy points for us and

12:18like that is off to the races in terms of mattering and jumping from what the quarterback seven to like a top

12:24three quarterback season it's a great point and honestly that was exactly where my head went like T-Law scoring nine rushing touchdowns

12:30last year even though it wasn't like you know he does that Drew Brees kind of jump over the line every once

12:36in a while but it's not like they were constantly you know designing those sort of looks for him so again love

12:43the talent love the offense love the play call I just don't think there's too much to miss here he's also what

12:49he's gonna be 24 this year I mean the fact that he's made these jumps guys like not every quarterback is Jamie

12:55Daniels and Bo Nix and getting six freaking years of college before you know going to the NFL in the first place

13:01so also Bears and Jaguars defense is probably not going to be one and two and takeaways again so maybe we see

13:07a fall off there a little more you know just positive game script there for Mr.

13:11Caleb Williams so you know the curse of 4,000 is staring us in the face but I think he clears it ain't

13:18no curses shout out five net lights uh Ian I wanted to ask you the quarterback position this year is being drafted

13:24differently than in past years like the elite guys are going a bit later we talked about it Josh Allen is the

13:3010th pick of the third round then the next quarterback off the board is Lamar Jackson the ninth pick of the fifth

13:36round and then you kind of see it starting here in this sixth round where you know it's Joe Burrow, Jane Daniels,

13:42Drake May, Caleb and Jalen Hurts and then like the quarterback 18 and earlier are being drafted again earlier in drafts than

13:48ever before that's a long way of me asking how are you attacking drafting quarterbacks this offseason and is it different than

13:54previous years I'm I'm not doing well I mean I don't have to do the round three question anymore to your point

14:00they're going so much cheaper I just saw actually a good uh tweet Adam Levitan uh pulled it from a Jack Miller

14:06article obviously does fantastic stuff over at ETR and yeah per Jack the QBs two to the QB five I mean the

14:13ADP difference in raw overall picks 23 23 22 24 so these are guys that were going two rounds earlier and like

14:19that point of the draft is great too because I don't really want to draft the other dudes I take Tyler Warren

14:25at that range like he's the one tight end where I can't see especially if I didn't get Loveland but man Chuba

14:31I'm good you know Jadarian Price is going to have his issues when the Charbonnet come back like none of these running

14:37backs jump out to me I think if you look at the wide receiver fours versus the wide receiver threes you can

14:43if we'd showed someone who hasn't been paying attention to ADP like all summer and just flipped them they might be like

14:49all right you know makes sense to me so I don't feel like and not that BTJ or Parker couldn't do their

14:55thing but I don't feel like I'm missing out on wide receivers here if I don't get Tyler Warren Gray and I've

15:01been drafting a lot of Colston Loveland earlier too and that stack is so easy so I like getting one quarterback here

15:07I know a lot of people are still German shout out to the champion he had three quarterbacks last year but I

15:14think if I can get one of these guys in the highlighted area you know in that round six range I'm comfortable

15:20again only taking one quarterback later have to follow up on wide receivers in that round four or that tier four turn

15:26and you know hopefully profit yeah I like the round six quarterbacks plus like Malik Willis called today you know just go

15:32right there that's how I'm rebacking it I think that's a perfect combo okay now we make the big jump the big

15:38leap the tight end 17 off the board the third pick of the 13th round uh Ian at one point Chigo Cuonquo

15:44was my highest drafted player this summer I refuse to update that just in case it doesn't work out but here he

15:50is on your list as well so that gives me a little bit of a warm fuzzies at this moment and you

15:56know how it is Josh like I think when you say something like oh Chigo Cuonquo was my most drafted player everyone's

16:02like how it's like you know it's easier to draft someone who's going 130th versus you know 15th you just might have

16:09not have a chance otherwise but yeah Chig's my most drafted tight end man and again it's one of those things where

16:15I've tried to get a lot of Loveland Warren Sprinklin and Bowers so when I'm doing that it's like I don't need

16:21two more I'll just take Chig here when I get to the end of it because I say I think likely and

16:27Chig and Gadsden are all kind of in the same group but we're just waiting for that Sunday night to come around

16:33oh my god do they actually run 70 80 percent of the routes or are they going to be you know not

16:39screwed over but kind of stuck in this more of a part-time role and when you give Chig you know 27 million

16:45reasons to all of a sudden feed the guy the football a little more in an offense with Terry McLaurin and no

16:51one else I just think there's a lot to like here guys I mean the yak numbers seventh most yards after the

16:57catch per reception over the last four years dead last in that sample Zach Ertz by the way the surprise of pretty

17:04much no one top eight in tackles avoided per reception like just just watching him man I think we all agree that

17:10he was one of the few bright spots in Tennessee over these past few seasons gets a healthy Jaden Daniels could clear

17:16100 targets and he wouldn't be shocked I am loving the late round guy in Chig or Conkwell because again when we're

17:22throwing these darts I don't want the Hunter Henry where best case he finishes tight on 10 or 11 I want someone

17:28who can actually be the number two pass game option and just make more out of less to me that's Chig or

17:34Conkwell Josh I'm just gonna kick it right to you you guys are this is your obsession not mine no we need

17:40we need the other side of this equation I'll come I'll hit you yeah what happens if digs I you sign in

17:46the next couple days like like when it happens to Washington one or the other just like somebody else comes in there

17:52where should he be drafted because I think right now we're in the middle of two extremes it's you guys can tell

17:59me if nobody signs in its labor day he should be going next to a Rondé Gadsden and then the second thing

18:05is if I you gets cut and he ends up there later this month Chig or Conkwell goes down to Juwan Johnson

18:11like that's kind of where I'm mostly concerned because I would guess the depth chart is not set in stone yet and

18:17that somebody else is coming in there maybe I'm putting too much odds of that changing I just need looking at the

18:23depth spot that I think that one of these free agents will end up going there and maybe that's why I'm lower

18:29on him than you guys are Ian I'll give a quick answer to that um what my hope is and maybe this

18:35is unfounded but what my hope is is that Chig based on if we can follow the money a little bit does

18:41see more like single tight end sets than he has in the past now that might be a bit of a leap

18:47but he is somewhat of the same size as someone like Sam Laporta where David Blau is coming from that Detroit Lions

18:54offense you know prior to last year and in that offense with Ben Johnson Laporta was you know lining up as a

19:00receiver motioning inside doing all that type of stuff and if that's the case then if we can get his route participation

19:06up to 70 75 percent then I don't think that his ADP is like factoring that in enough but you know that

19:12is also with the mindset that hey John Bates isn't going to be their inline presence at all times or you know

19:18Ben Sennett isn't going to be this athletic freak so to me they signed someone like Chigo Cuonquo because David Blau said

19:24hey I can use him as x y or z and if I am guesstimating what that x y or z was

19:30it was just his time of throwing practice squad balls balls to uh to Sam Laporta in the Detroit Lions eye and

19:36Chig's even talked about that and how Blau showed him like Sam Laporta film the sec these are sorts of things you're

19:42going to do and Chig kind of threw a shot at uh Tennessee because they're like what's the difference here he's like

19:49well we're actually kind of like running real routes uh in this offense and you go back and you watch a lot

19:55of his success and it was just these kind of dump offs that again he manages to make two guys miss and

20:01turn it into a 10-yard gain anyway so I like the talent I hear what Hayden's saying that he bringing Brandon I

20:07guess not going to help the you know upside target projection but still the number three option let's face it most tight

20:13ends other than your Brock Bowers Colston and McBride Warrens of the world are going to be uh you know the number

20:19three option their offense more or not and can he make more out of less as a yak threat I do believe

20:25he can so right now guys I mean 60 wide receivers 45 running backs 25 quarterbacks they're already off the board at

20:31this point so again it's already a little bit slim pickings and just relative those other positions give me some chiggy yeah

20:37look we've got a few more months here Ian to uh get Hayden on the right side of history here with Chiggo

20:44I just clicked John Bates's photo and that guy is going to be a pain in your guys ass like good luck

20:50fading that guy that guy's a monster we're going to be screaming at the clouds of uh remove John Bates yeah Hayden

20:56do you have like someone you prefer in this range more like let's go on later and shit um yeah I think

21:02I would just pay up for like the Kelsey range and stuff I think afterwards I would just rather have AJ Barner

21:08comes to mind I think Greg Dulcich is a very similar case that at a much lower uh ADP Jawan Johnson and

21:14Chig I think are pretty similar in general it's not that it's not the worst ADP ever I just I think Ayuk's

21:20going to force himself over there and if not him I think dig somebody like that uh and I think we're getting

21:26close to the point where that's actually going to happen Ian if I am targeting these late round tight ends it it

21:32has frequently been Chig and Gunner Helm for me so I don't know how if you have any Gunner Helm takes on

21:38top of this but uh those have been my two late round targets at the spot I see the path and you

21:45look at the yards and targets for our run and Gunner Helm's name is followed by some good company up there do

21:51some okay things back in Texas horns down go Buckeyes uh Greg Dulcich someone who I've been tapping just a little bit

21:57late my general mindset though has been like this kind of Ricky Bobby first or last all right if I'm going to

22:03be spending up on a tight end it's going to be one of those top four dudes who could have 150 targets

22:09we wouldn't be surprised otherwise again like the Kelsey's Jake Ferguson's I just I don't think their upside scenario is too different

22:15right now than someone like Chig or even a Hunter Henry or you know even TJ Hawkinson only a couple years removed

22:21from a tight end to finish so still lots of other position players I like to target you know a top you

22:27know next to Kelsey and those guys so I'm a content rating again especially and this is again one of my more

22:33general strategies where I already have a Colson Loveland or a Tyler Warren like I'm not gonna go out of my way

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23:41right you open the show talking uh about maybe some not zero running back but taking some wide receivers early ish if

23:47that's the case that I know you have some running back targets a bit later on uh is this one of the

23:53names in the running back 54 the sixth pick of the 15th round his name is tank big tank bigs is so

23:59freaking good at football and I'm tired of pretending like he's not guys every single stat that we use to try to

24:05quantify these running backs tells us that tank bigs is freaking awesome but had a few embarrassing drops as a rookie so

24:11we're just going to write him off for the rest of his career these last two seasons guys jacksonville and then last

24:17year in philly it's over 200 carries this isn't like a amari di mercato you know career sample size sorry amari for

24:23the straight but 3.7 yards after contact first other guys that are at three and a half derrick henry devon h and

24:30bijon robinson I think they're pretty good tackles avoided for carry second behind kenneth walker I think we like him one of

24:36only seven running backs with an explosive rush rate in the double digits like last year I know he was at the

24:42end of games I'm not trying to besmirch saquon but like it's a little alarming to me when you see the backup

24:48at 5.9 yards per carry and the starters at 4.1 same offense same offensive line and tank look good with the uh

24:54giants gamers like there's a game where he like is running all physical on the side you see nick sirianni just like

25:00running out and jumping behind him so I understand that saquon plays 17 games tank bigsby isn't going to be that big

25:06of a thing most likely but I don't know you get rid of aj brown I think it would make sense for

25:12the eagles to embrace to run more why can't we get tank bigsby eight to ten touches per game steals away a

25:18couple like low end or be two weeks during the midst of a blowout ultimately I think he is the best cheap

25:25handcuff like he's the cheapest really good handcuff and fancy and that's my main pitch because why is tyler out of his

25:31year going ahead of this dude what you want the cardinals dude in a committee if something happens to jeremiah love so

25:37I think tank bigsby man again he would be on the cover of every waiver wire article in the industry god forbid

25:43something happens to saquon good player I wish it was more of a clear run out we'll see what happens when he

25:49has 20 27 free agency but just such a fun player to watch guys I love me this is the profile I

25:55just love every single time I want very established number twos behind the running back so I can get the ball the

26:01most because the guys that get the ball the most are most likely to miss time and for those three four five

26:07weeks where he's a starter he is a must play everyone knows it he gets you your 15 points and you log

26:13off it's like the easiest thing ever like now for the last three years the running backs have stayed extremely healthy and

26:20we have not seen this type of profile uh come to fruition very often which is why players like keaton mitchell all

26:26throughout charbonnet right now tyj spears these guys have some standalone value you're not winning your league based off their standalone value

26:32that's the quickest way to come in seventh in your league and the whole goal in best ball is to come in

26:38the top two in the first 14 weeks and then you gotta advance from there uh tank bigsby is like very very

26:44obvious like he's going to be their rb2 like the fact that like emmett johnson who we have no idea if he's

26:50going to be the actual chiefs rb2 uh goes one round after like that shows the disconnect here so I think tank

26:56bigsby uh ray davis is kind of interesting to me marshall lloyd's a little bit interesting to me like these type of

27:02guys who I feel pretty good they are the team's rb2s I would just rather wait for that tier versus paying up

27:08for like the guys that might project for seven eight points like I don't want seven eight points in my flex that

27:14sounds terrible yeah you want 17 or 18 when he steps in there for sake one when he goes down but I

27:21am relentlessly drafting sake one barkley where his territory is right now like one of my favorite picks and I have him

27:27ranked way higher than he's going in drafts at this moment uh but if I don't end up with sake one then

27:33there is tank bigsby staring at me in round 14 or around 15 and I'm doing it almost every single time I

27:39mean 13 explosive runs on 69 carries last year sake one had 30 explosive runs on 314 carries uh and also that's

27:45none for tank bisbee in the opening six games because he barely played after being traded from the uh jacksonville jaguars now

27:51I also felt like Ian and you watch these back uh at least half of those 13 explosive runs were with tan

27:57mckee on the field but you know that's just details we don't have to think about that like when he plants his

28:03foot in the dirt behind the line of scrimmage and has these jump cuts that break multiple lanes and then he bounces

28:09to the outside and cuts it up the field he has power he has acceleration he has burst he has juice he

28:16has like everything that you want here so yeah if saquon goes down then it's tank getting the lion's share of the

28:22groundwork and then you have will shipley you can go in there a handful of times and pass protect and catch some

28:28passes and do all that type of stuff so I think this one Ian we are all on the same page on

28:34and look he's gonna be 25 in august like he's not old or anything like that I thought his top five runs

28:40with the jaguars in 24 like that mixtape put it up there with anyone in the league saquon probably top there because

28:462024 for sake one was special but also guys big big underrated news real quick he changed his number from 37 to

28:528 that's big that is 37's not great I also wonder and I know there's some things going on behind the scenes

28:58and you know probably wanted more opportunity and was making a bit of a fuss about it but I kind of wonder

29:04right now if jacksonville would love to have him back in a way based on like the chris rorriguez signing and the

29:11injury that he's dealt with because he really would be I think a a interesting uh pairing with facial too all right

29:17one more name and we leave the best for last the wide receiver 74 the second pick of the 16th round jerry

29:23judy makes Ian's top five players he can't stop drafting this summer why when I sent josh uh my list I put

29:29in parentheses after judy like if you guys don't want to have me on anymore I totally get it so look it's

29:35gross I know judy we all know the steve smith rant you know he's not not always put his best foot forward

29:41in his career early career route running a little bit overrated I get it hit 1200 yards in 2024 all right I'm

29:47not doing the go back to 2021 look at hollywood brown you know before he broke his foot thing one one season

29:53ago hit over 1200 yards right there's only been 11 wide receivers have 1200 yards in the last two seasons nine of

29:59them go in the top 15 wide receivers btj is wide receiver 31 jerry judy is wide receiver 74 all right 74

30:06he's a round 16 pick what is the difference really and we can talk about the players and stuff I'm not trying

30:12to necessarily slander them but two guys with late season breakouts with a quarterback that said effort and a bad offense without

30:18many guys Michael Wilson goes eight rounds ahead of jerry judy all right and I just I'm not convinced that he's not

30:24gonna be a number one in Cleveland we heard Andrew Barry say it immediately after they drafted Casey and Denzel Judy is

30:30still our bell cow the catchable target stuff Hayden you mentioned earlier talking about Nico I went from 73 percent and 24

30:36to 60 percent and 25 for Judy Justin Jefferson was a 66 percent you know we felt like that was a war

30:42crime against JJ McCarthy okay so Judy was getting help there uh honestly and just like watching my process you know I

30:48try to watch I can like take notes on Sunday for like four games at once and get the freaking annoying late

30:54afternoon three games sometimes but Monday like I'm always just going back through and I'm watching like every single pass and trying

31:01to go and there were times where like I'm seeing targets to Isaiah Bond and I'm just like who is who ran

31:07that route on the upper part of the screen I think Judy still got it man I think he's underrated at this

31:13point shout out to fantasy points they do a really good job I think of trying to quantify separation 14th among wide

31:19receivers and separation win rate last year 34th and there you know more normal separation score it's right there with Chris Alave,

31:25Ladd McConkie it's better than Abuka and Jameson Williams who they have a quarterback I don't know but he's going wide receiver

31:3174 he had 1200 yards in round 16 guys give me Jerry Judy if I was just ranking players on who's most

31:37likely to beat their best ball price tag Jerry Judy be like really really high up to me I'm not sure if

31:43he's going to get to the point where he's fantasy football like redraft relevant as a starter but I do think that

31:49he's going to make a lot more noise than this price tag it's just it's it's absurd uh the catchable ball rate

31:56I had him at dead last 55 percent uh among receivers who had five targets per game um he's just way better

32:02than that and if you look at it Shador Sanders Dylan Gabriel they were 42nd and 46 in catchable ball rate as

32:08quarterbacks that's out of 46 quarterbacks of 42nd and 46 out of 46 I don't care how bad we think Deshaun Watson

32:14is the baseline is not that he's going to be the worst quarterback to touch the football field and catchable ball right

32:20he might be close but it will not be literally dead last like the Browns had this last season so there's volume

32:26concerns here I'm with you guys I thought Jerry Judy was overrated early on and now I think he's very underrated at

32:32this point I do think he's cleaned up his game he's still frustrating he's going to point at Shador and do those

32:38type of things but he's not overselling his routes nearly as much uh as he did three four years ago basically what

32:44you both are saying is that the hate has gone too damn far like this is the receiver who you the public

32:51was drafting as the wide receiver 40 and closing drafts last year in September and now you can get him as the

32:57wide receiver 74 if that's the case then like there's your quote-unquote value now the opposite side of this is you know

33:03Todd Monking gets hired as head coach and play caller he watches the offensive tape and immediately says uh actually I want

33:09my own guys we're taking a wide receiver round one and we're taking a wide receiver in round two uh so you

33:15know that's the alternative here but at the same time we're talking about a 16th round pick and we're not talking about

33:21a eighth round pick at this point I love me some Casey Conception too but I just think we've seen Judy do

33:27it at this level and just to completely dismiss him behind two rookies that we've never seen play at the professional level

33:33man it does seem like a lot so just turn 27 in April I just I don't think I'm not buying the

33:39Sean Watson oh I just needed to tear his Achilles twice now he's back to the original of the Sean Watson like

33:45I don't exactly get that but the other side of thing guys is Judy that people say what if he gets traded

33:52great he's gonna move up like rounds if that happens so literally anywhere he's still got so much money guaranteed on his

33:58deal like the Browns are paying him very handsomely to be the the wide receiver one so like I really like Casey

34:04Concepcion um and I actually appreciated what Denzel Boston's providing but I think it's the reality is like a former first round

34:10pick in his absolute prime probably projects better than the new first round rookie um in the NFL so I would still

34:16draft Casey Concepcion higher because I think that there's a crazy scenario with him that we probably are never gonna go Jerry

34:22Judy but I mean come on like Ted Hurst I mean we're talking about a clear cut wide receiver four on his

34:28team the same round I mean give me a break guys this is so irresponsible later I have 67% Jerry Judy in

34:3460 drafts go keep keep doing it I love it I mean I I think this is fantastic stuff I put his

34:40name on the back of my phone so I wake up every morning and I say this is this is what your

34:47financial future is Ian Jerry Judy 2026 my guy oh I absolutely love that uh Ian you have said it all uh

34:53anything you want to share with the people anything you want to say about uh where they can find your work and

34:59uh what you're doing right now on the internet oh just chilling going through my team preview series so check it out

35:05if you guys are bored I will say guys what you should really check out Widow's Bay on Apple TV really freaking

35:11good show been enjoying that one with the missus it's funny it's a little mysterious a little bit scary as well so

35:17shout out Widow's Bay Hayden hasn't watched a television show in uh seven years so I was trying to give him like

35:23movie character comps when we were talking NFL draft and every single one just went over his head that's not I'm too

35:29busy watching Ian Harditz's podcast you know I don't have time for Widow's Bay I got I gotta grind all this football

35:35content yeah it's not Ace Ventura Hayden has no idea uh what you're saying that's right that's it all right Ian you're

35:42the man always great to have a little roto world reunion on the episode on the channel go and support Ian's work

35:48especially over on X and Twitter and uh we'll catch you guys on the next episode see ya okay my go ahead

35:54all right I'm going uh three two one

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