0:00Well, it is live. It's noon on YouTube. We're live.
0:03But of course, it's five o'clock somewhere. So drinks up.
0:07Not only are we drinking to fantasy football season, not only are we drinking to the fact that tomorrow, my friends, tomorrow is love-hate day.
0:15My preseason love-hate drops tomorrow on fantasylife.com. Tomorrow is love-hate day.
0:19But we're also drinking to my friend RotoPat. That's right, my old buddy from NBC Sports, the star of the RotoWorld Football Show.
0:26Everyone knows that. Denny and Dvorak just along for the ride.
0:30It's all about RotoPat on the RotoWorld Football Show.
0:33Hello, my friend. How are you? Hello, yeah. Denny and Kyle, my session musicians.
0:38In honor of the five o'clock somewhere mentality, in honor of the late, great Jimmy Buffett, who I know you loved, I'm
0:45wearing my finest Tommy Bahama shirt today. Let's go.
0:48I am wearing RotoPat, and you'll appreciate this more than most of my guests.
0:53And what's coming up today, we've got a couple of news items that we want to get to.
0:59We've got a couple of draft strategy things we want to talk to.
1:03And, of course, those mid-round upside guys that you want to talk about.
1:08So it's a really good show coming up here.
1:11But the other reason we're drinking, not only, RotoPat, to your success, your health, not only to the fact that tomorrow is
1:18love-hate day, but also because my kid, Connor, who is a senior at Alabama, Roll Tide, it is his birthday today.
1:25So to my son, Connor, who I love dearly, happy birthday, Connor.
1:29I hope you have many, many beverages and call a cab service as well.
1:34Yeah, it says, you know, Greg Lau, 100, Bama shirt, Roll Damn Tide.
1:38That's right. Roll Tide Roll. And the reason I say this, that I think RotoPat, more than most of my guests, can relate.
1:46You know, I have five kids. I have five kids.
1:49And most people are like, whoa, five kids. Dude, what are you doing over there?
1:54But RotoPat is somebody that appreciates that. Don't you, RotoPat?
1:57I do. Five of my own. Speaking of kids' birthdays, when you have five, like every other day it is someone's birthday.
2:05It gets really, really difficult. It's like, I love cake, but like, wow, we just had the cake.
2:11Everyone's always competing, like, who's got the next birthday?
2:14Who's got the closest birthday? I love all my kids.
2:17It's a little difficult to keep track, though. I thought when you said that, instead of, I thought what you were going
2:25to say is instead of, I love cake, but we just had cake.
2:29I thought you were going to say, listen, I love kids, but we just had a kid, honey.
2:35Yeah, no more kid talk. Like, I can't deal with it anymore.
2:39Yeah, can we figure out something else to do than, you know, that?
2:43Everyone tells me, you know, Pat, there are ways you can fix that.
2:48Yeah. What can we say, RotoPat, but your boys can swim.
2:51Everyone knows that, you know? Not only are you the star of the RotoWorld football show, but your boys can swim.
2:58You're very fertile. Are you the most fertile fantasy football analyst out there?
3:03Because I think you are. Because while I have five kids, as people know, my wife and I, it's a blended family.
3:10It's a second marriage for both of us. We've been together for 20 years, my wife and I have.
3:16But, you know, it is, both of us got married young, and so it's a blended family.
3:22But you, you and your wife, it's your only marriage, as I understand it.
3:27It's your first marriage. So, you know, I think you are the most fertile fantasy football analyst in the industry, RotoPat.
3:34I give you that title. Well, when you're descended from German farmers, you're, like, biologically attuned to, you're supposed to have, like, eight or nine kids.
3:43So we're actually undershooting what we're supposed to have with only five.
3:47But we try to do our best. Yeah, do me a favor right now.
3:51Say, we got about 48, the furtier, the furtler, says, sweep the leg, the furtler.
3:56RotoPat, as you can imagine, the regulars are on fire today, especially given that you are back here.
4:02You're one of us. You know, loved working with you for four years at NBC.
4:07You've been a friend for a lot longer, but we had a lot of good fun at NBC, and I appreciate you doing this.
4:15But just do me a favor, as you mentioned, you know, you guys are short eight or nine.
4:21Do me a favor, just yell off screen, like, honey, I got about 45 minutes left.
4:27Get ready. Put something on. I'm coming in there.
4:30We're going to have a, we're going to see if we can increase the squad size.
4:35Oh, dear. Just, you know, trying to, you know, we're going to go back to our German farming roots.
4:41All right. So listen, RotoPat, you are the defending champion of the League of Assholes.
4:46I know people were asking about, is there going to be, is that continuing?
4:51And the answer is yes. We're in the middle of that draft.
4:55You are the defending champion. Of course, I am a two-time champion of the League of Assholes.
5:01And last year made what I thought was the most, you know, did I miss the playoff?
5:07Sure, on a tiebreaker. But, you know, the strongest finish of the season anyone had, seven in a row.
5:13Anyway, you and I are in the middle of a draft.
5:17I'm actually up right now. Wow. But it's a super flex league.
5:21What pick did you have? And we're going to sort of talk about it.
5:25So here's your team right here, as you see.
5:28Super flex league. Take me through your team a little bit.
5:32What pick did you have? And let's just sort of talk about your strategy as a defending champion of this 12-team super flex league with standard scoring otherwise.
5:41So first off, in our guillotine league, you had the first pick.
5:45I had the 16th. There was some light ribbing about it maybe being rigged.
5:50How I know it was not rigged is last year in the League of Assholes, I had the number one overall pick.
5:57I believe I took Josh Allen. This year, I had the number two overall pick.
6:02So clearly not being rigged. Clearly, I did not go quarterback this year, which leaves me feeling a little queasy in a super flex.
6:10But I think even in a super flex, if you get one or two, you have to take Bajon or Gibbs.
6:17Whoever falls to you, this is kind of your duty to do it.
6:22I took a Bajon Robinson, felt really good about it.
6:25But then it's so long, the wait, when you're on the one or two turn.
6:30And a super flex especially. You start seeing the quarterbacks come off the board.
6:35You get nervous. But it worked out pretty well for me.
6:39So I got Bajon. Then I did – I got – I forget who my second pick here was.
6:45Justin Herbert, I believe. Yeah. In the second round, which I didn't love necessarily, but I was still happy for that.
6:52Like in the 25 to 26 overall range. So even at a super flex, though, I didn't overthink it at number two.
6:59I took Bajon. I still got Herbert, who I think is a legit top seven or eight quarterback.
7:05I was very happy with my start to the League of Assholes, whatever you have to say, 7.0, 8.0.
7:12Yeah. AJ Brown, by the way, my number one receiver, I didn't like that as much.
7:17I'll say that. See, no, I really – I don't love Trayvon as your number two.
7:22But I think, you know, I think – I think Abuka, especially after a Bajon, you know, getting Bajon and Herbert and Goff, I think you're totally fine.
7:32But I think the important part here is that if ever there was a year – every super flex league, you mostly see quarterbacks.
7:40It's quarterback, quarterback. Or you see a lot of the quarterbacks fly off the board.
7:45But, you know, our own friend Lawrence Jackson, Lord, don't lose, last year absolutely crushed us in the league.
7:51He went, I think, Jonathan Taylor – did he have Bajon last year?
7:55I know he had Jonathan Taylor and James Cook.
7:58And he had a third running back as well.
8:02I forget. But he had like three unbelievable running backs in our league last year.
8:07And he just mowed through us throughout the entire season.
8:10And I think especially, A, that kind of all shook us a little bit.
8:15But beyond that, just the fact that quarterback is so insanely deep this year that you can truly wait on a quarterback.
8:22So that's who you have. Here's my team. I'm – look, you will clearly – tomorrow is love-hate day.
8:28And a lot of these names you will see.
8:31You will see tomorrow. You know, you will see tomorrow.
8:35So obviously – I'm going to pull it up on my app right now because I'm actually on the clock.
8:41I've got it if you want me to read it to you.
8:45Okay. Yeah, well, I was just going to say my – in order of my pick.
8:51So I picked in the nine hole. And so my first round pick was Drake May.
8:56But then I went Ken Walker, ride or die Devontae Smith, Colston Loveland, runner-up to ride or die.
9:02Kyron Williams, who I have. You've got Brock Purdy, Mike Evans, Christian Watson.
9:06And now I'm up. And so I can talk about this with you because people – I will pick again before you pick again.
9:14So I'm thinking about at running back, I have a choice between – among the players that are available right now that
9:22I like in this spot right here. Kenny Gainwell, Jonathan Brooks, you know, are the two guys.
9:28And I want to go running back here because there's a few wide receivers that are right now that are available that I really like.
9:36And so that will come back around. Matthew Golden's there.
9:39I already have Christian Watson, so I'm not going to double up there.
9:44But there's other wide receivers in this range that I think there's going to be, you know, six picks between now.
9:51I'm at nine, so there'll be – after I pick, there'll be six picks.
9:55And I think one of the wide receivers that I really like will still be there when it's my turn, I hope.
10:03So there's a number of them there that I like.
10:06So I'm going to go running back here. And it's weird to ask you since we're in a league together, but who
10:13would you – do you – who do you like more between Kenneth Gainwell, Ja'Cory Krosky-Meritt, and Jonathan Brooks?
10:20All of whom I have right in the same range.
10:23And it's going to be one of those three guys.
10:26It's kind of – they all are a little something different.
10:30Ja'Cory, I feel like, is the touchdown floor, at least hopefully.
10:34Jonathan Brooks, we know, is just kind of the overall ceiling.
10:37Kenneth Gainwell, though, I think is maybe the best mixture of those two.
10:42I went Kyle Minungai my last time around. I was strongly considering Kenneth Gainwell.
10:46The bullet point I can't really get over with Kenneth Gainwell, maybe it's kind of a silly one.
10:52$14 million for Kenneth Gainwell. Like, that signals an extremely strong commitment.
10:57He's just a high-value touch guy. I love Jonathan Brooks.
11:00I would love him more if he had been doing anything in the preseason.
11:05Two kind of shaky preseason performances. They seem so committed to him, the way they're talking him up.
11:11Kenneth Gainwell kind of feels like the most sensible overall pick there to me, Matthew.
11:16Well, Roto Pat, there's a reason why you're the defending champion, not only of the League of Assholes, but also the two-time
11:23defending champion of our guillotine league that we're doing.
11:26And we're in the middle of the draft of that as well.
11:30All of our NBC, me and all my NBC friends, past and present, doing the guillotine league.
11:36So we're doing all that. So you're absolutely right.
11:39I took Kenneth Gainwell. A couple of reasons why here.
11:42And actually, I mean, in my rankings, I don't mean, they're all right there bunched together.
11:47But I agree with you. I think that there is the easiest path for Kenneth Gainwell to have consistent fantasy success.
11:54With Jucori Kroski-Meritt, what's this offensive line look like, especially with Tunsil?
11:58Is he going to catch passes or is that going to be Rashad White and Jeremy McNichols?
12:04Do they, you know, do they, is his, how big is his potential touchdown equity?
12:09Because again, they might do keepers with Jaden Daniels or sort of mix it up there.
12:14They might use Rashad White at the goal line.
12:17I don't know. I don't love the Panthers offense.
12:20I don't think Chuba Hubbard goes away. I will tell you that you're right.
12:25Not only did Kenneth Gainwell get paid, but you just sort of think about Bucky Irving, who so far we, you know, we had Dwayne McFarlane on earlier.
12:35And we were talking about sort of the preseason usage.
12:38And it just doesn't seem like they want to use Bucky Irving in the passing game.
12:43And if Bucky Irving doesn't, isn't used in the, if Bucky Irving doesn't get involved in the passing game, I think there's a challenge there.
12:52Injury issues, you know, as DM Gazooz says, Kenneth Ketchwell as well.
12:56He's not only Kenneth Gainwell, but he's also Kenneth Ketchwell.
12:59And I will tell you, I have a really good Buccaneers source.
13:03I have a really good Buccaneers team source that I talked with a couple of weeks ago and I was asking how it was going in practice.
13:12And I got two nuggets from my Buccaneers team source.
13:15Really good one. Number one is Ted Hurst is having an unbelievable camp.
13:20Having an unbelievable camp. And so I think there's a chance that before not too long, like he's playing, he's the number
13:27three wide receiver after, you know, Abuka and Godwin.
13:30He's opposite Abuka on the outside there in three wide receiver sets.
13:34And the other one was that Kenneth Gainwell is the real deal, that it's not just a pass catching back, but they've been using him between the tackles.
13:43They're not scared to run him. Like even though he is a smaller sized running back, we saw this in Pittsburgh last year as well.
13:52Like he's not scared to go between the tackles.
13:55He's not scared to do all the things a running back can do.
13:59And so I just think there's, and I like the Buccaneers offense.
14:03Like I feel better about the Buccaneers offense overall than I do the Panthers or even my Commanders.
14:09I think my Commanders will be a good offense, but I don't know.
14:14Like I feel, I feel pissed off Baker Mayfield goes scorched earth.
14:18And so I also, and this is something that's probably unique to me and you and not necessarily everyone watching.
14:24And we'll move off Gainwell here in a second.
14:27But you and I both do that, you know, that you and I both do so many drafts, Roto-Pat, that sometimes we do so many drafts.
14:36We're always in a group chat together. Always in a group chat.
14:40Well, you and I do so many drafts together.
14:43Just you and I, we do mock drafts. But beyond that, I mean, you and I are both in so many leagues,
14:50friends league, industry leagues, business leagues, et cetera, et cetera.
14:54I have two different leagues. I mean, I'm in the middle of like six different slow drafts right now.
15:00I have two drafts tonight. Like it, and, but I just don't have a ton of Kenneth Gainwell exposure.
15:06No. This year. And sometimes you're just like, you know what?
15:10I just, I like the player, the way drafts have fallen.
15:14I just don't have a lot of him this year.
15:17So you know what? Give me some Kenneth Gainwell.
15:20Matthew, I think that speaks to Kenneth Gainwell is really not ever a player you're looking to draft because there's always someone
15:28who's going to have more theoretical upside. In this case, it was Jonathan Brooks.
15:32Just seems like a guy to me that you might, maybe didn't want to draft him.
15:38But then October, you're like, you're like, I'm sure glad, like I got boxed in to drafting Kenneth Gainwell.
15:44My final word on Kenneth Gainwell too. It's kind of like how, one thing I always said about Taysom Hill, however old,
15:51however old you think he is at two to three years.
15:55Kenneth Gainwell, it's like however many passes you think he caught last year at 10 to 20, like 73 receptions.
16:02It just absolutely blew the doors off for Kenneth Gainwell.
16:05And it's not a sexy pick. I think it's a pick that fantasy managers are going to be really happy they made after the fact though.
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18:01Anyway, so just curious where you are on Alec Pierce.
18:05I have him lower than consensus ADP because I kind of wanted to see him as we see the tweet here from Stephen Holder who covers the Colts.
18:14Good news. Colts wide receiver Alec Pierce expected to return to practice this week if all goes to plan according to hood coach Shane Steichen.
18:23So, you know, I am lower than consensus because I kind of want to see it here.
18:28But assuming Pierce does return to practice and he looks like Alec Pierce, I'll move him up.
18:34This is somebody who led the NFL in yards for reception each of the last two seasons.
18:40We talked about him a lot on this show.
18:43My man, Jay Croucher, a Colts man through and through at least for the last eight games, loves him some Alec Pierce.
18:50Where are you on Mr. Pierce this season? So Pierce, I just use money as a data point for Kenneth Gainwell.
18:57I should maybe do the same thing for Alec Pierce, but Alec Pierce, I just keep coming back to it's going to be his age 26 season.
19:06He has never caught more than 50 passes in a season and he plays such a valuable real life role for the Colts.
19:14The kind of like downfield dominator role, like barely even exists in the modern NFL, like a really throwback role to average over 20 yards for catch.
19:23And just to have that be the focal point of how he used, they don't do the underneath stuff.
19:29I think they paid him so much money that they might try to expand his route tree, his repertoire.
19:35But then he just missed all of August. Like, how are they going to install that?
19:41And I just think we probably witnessed a career year for Alec Pierce last year.
19:46It seems like a classic pick where I guess you could hit on 17 and maybe you get another step forward for this guy this season.
19:55But I'm letting other people take Alec Pierce. I know when you play best ball, you don't have that luxury.
20:01You kind of get some of everyone, but the leagues I'm managing, I'm just letting someone else take Alec Pierce.
20:08I think that was an obvious career year. I think it will look even more obvious in hindsight.
20:14And as much as I respect the role and I wish this role would make a comeback in the NFL.
20:21It's a fun role. Guys doing damage down the field.
20:24It's really fun to watch. I just don't think the fancy points are going to be there.
20:30Steering clear of Alec Pierce this year. It's just interesting.
20:33I don't know that I'm steering clear of him, but I don't know that I'm actively going out of my way to
20:40get him because to your point, the key to Alec Pierce being a consistent fantasy starter is that he expands the route
20:48tree because there's going to be spike weeks. We absolutely know that.
20:52But last year in his breakout year, he still had an 18% target share, right?
20:57He was averaging under six targets a game. His target share was 51st among wide receivers last year as J.
21:03Ram Forrest has pierced the veil. I like that.
21:07So this is a guy that's never averaged more than three receptions per game in a season.
21:12Now, top 10 rate among, in terms of team end zone targets last year, the pierce slur says aloha bricks.
21:19You know, he's a deep threat. There's going to be big spike weeks for Alec Pierce.
21:24The question is, is it going to be one of those things where you just have to sort of like, I feel
21:32like if you draft Alec Pierce this year in a non-best ball league, you sort of have to treat it best ball,
21:39which is what I mean is, is like, you have to just sort of like, you're starting Alec Pierce.
21:45You can't try to guess, oh, this is going to be an Alec Pierce week or this isn't.
21:51When you sign up for Alec Pierce, you just got to say like, I'm starting them every week and there'll be some highs and there'll be some lows.
22:01And I'm going to hope that there's more, more of the, more of the highs than the lows.
22:07But ultimately, like, you just can't guess when those things will happen.
22:11The other concern here is, is like, again, if he's, he's probably, I think the target share is right.
22:17Does he expand the route tree? A little bit more, but you've got downs.
22:22You've got Keenan Allen, who's going to get, earn some targets.
22:25Obviously Tyler Warren, they want to be run heavy with Jonathan Taylor.
22:29You know, they will take their shots with Alec Pierce, but it's not somebody that's, this is not a, this is not
22:37an eight to 10 target, a guy, a game guy.
22:40This is a, you know, five to six target, a game guy.
22:44And so, like I said, I think he's a top, his current consensus is a top 40 wide receiver.
22:51I think that's right. Um, so, uh, anyway, I think we're on the same page.
22:56You're probably a little bit lower on him than I am in terms of Alec Pierce.
23:01but it's why I'm right at market. Don't mind if I get him, but I'm not going to actively try to expand him.
23:09As Stuntman Chuck says, expand the route tree is another way for Pat to imply he's having more kids.
23:15I like that. It's fair. That's the best euphemism yet.
23:18That is the best euphemism. You hit the nail on the head.
23:22You draft Alec Pierce, don't get cute. You're not going to be able to predict it.
23:28Keep him in there every week. Be comfortable with the zeros.
23:31And then some weeks he's going to only catch two passes, but he'll win you the week because they were for 84 yards and a touchdown.
23:40So the Jets have announced that they are going to scale back Kenyon Sadiq, their rookie tight end, his role early in the season.
23:48Frank Reich talking about the injury right here as you see Zach Rosenblatt who covers the Jets.
23:54Frank Reich on having to adjust Kenyon Sadiq's role because of all the time he missed.
23:59Quote, there's no doubt we'll scale it back. We'll have to work him in slowly.
24:04To me, Roto Pat, this means Kenyon Sadiq is undraftable in redraft leagues.
24:09But I think there's potentially a buying opportunity in Dynasty for Dynasty startups that are happening or even Dynasty leagues where the
24:16rookie draft is happening between now and the start of the season.
24:20I like the opportunity here because people might be down on Sadiq Jets, bad team.
24:25Now he's going to miss a few weeks, but we like the talent quite a bit.
24:30We like the prospect. We know Frank Reich has traditionally used tight ends in his offense, but just given the fact that
24:38he's going to miss time, we don't know what this offense is going to look like under Geno.
24:44We like Garrett Wilson. We like Brees Hall. I kind of like Adonai Mitchell.
24:48I'm hearing a lot of drumbeat about Adonai Mitchell.
24:51And of course, you've got Omar Cooper there. So I just think in normal redraft leagues, Kenyon Sadiq is undraftable at the moment.
24:59We sort of keep an eye on him, see if he develops a role that would be worthy, waiver wire worthy.
25:06I have a scary amount of Adonai Mitchell, by the way.
25:10And Kenyon Sadiq, I think you laid it out perfectly again, where I think you view in dynasty leagues as rookie years,
25:17kind of one of like those tax write-off years, where Trevor Lawrence had the fake first year of his career with Urban Meyer.
25:25Ashton Gentry kind of had the fake first year with that disastrous Raiders setup last year.
25:30You just pretend like it didn't happen. And unfortunately, Geno Smith, I think could be a common denominator in that.
25:37I don't think Geno Smith and Frank Reich are saving this Jets offense, saving this Jets team.
25:43And no one's going to come out of the season looking particularly great.
25:47And Kenyon Sadiq, I just think you're going to have to pretend like it didn't happen, view it as a tax write-off,
25:54make him a buy low, and then yeah, hopefully get some great fantasy points next year.
26:00Roto Pat, you and I got together before the show.
26:03We talked about, you know, so the premise of this is seven upside, seven high upside players you shouldn't overlook.
26:10Kind of those mid-round guys. And, you know, candidly, this was a little bit of an excuse for me.
26:16The SEC man says, I always giggle when someone drafts Sadiq, with all due respect.
26:21With all due respect. Not that there's anything on with that.
26:25Fair enough, SEC man. So, these are seven mid-round, high upside players that you should target, or at least you shouldn't overlook.
26:32And, candidly, this was an excuse for me to talk about a bunch of players that we just haven't, for whatever reason,
26:39haven't talked about in this show yet. So, I wanted to get into them here.
26:44But, these are guys that I think all have tremendous upside.
26:48And, I want to start with the Giants quarterback, Jackson Dart, who had an interesting offseason.
26:53But, among the things that happened in the offseason for Jackson Dart is, he got a new head coach, a new offensive
27:01coordinator, and a couple of new toys to play with.
27:04And, Isaiah Likely, 8 billion different wide receivers. And, oh, by the way, Malik Nabors coming back.
27:10Remember, he, I think they played less than 20 snaps together.
27:14Last year, I think that's the stat, right? In terms of Dart and neighbors, in terms of when they're on the field together.
27:21So, I have, I have Dart as a, at 87 overall.
27:25His ADP is 97 overall. So, I'm slightly higher on him in the overall consensus.
27:30What say you, Rotopat, about J6? I think he's a particularly good buying opportunity.
27:35Because, he's the kind of player where his ADP would typically become a runaway freight train.
27:40He's a dual threat. We saw him already perform well.
27:43He's a dual threat. In the NFL. He gets a lot of new faces.
27:48But, for a variety of reasons, the ADP just never took off.
27:52There's kind of an air of negativity around the Giants.
27:55Because, a lot of questioning of John Harbaugh. Definitely a lot of questioning of his offensive staff.
28:01Question marks about Malik Nabors' health. We think he's going to be ready for week one, but he hasn't been cut loose yet.
28:09Cam Scadaboo having sort of an uncertain camp. There's just been an air of negativity hanging over the Giants' offense.
28:15And, Jackson Dart, whereas I think usually his ADP might have gotten irresponsibly high.
28:20He's on the QB 1-2 borderline. That's a perfect place to draft a dual threat like Jackson Dart.
28:26And, kind of all comes down to it as he run as hot as he did on the ground last year.
28:33But, I don't think the ADP got into that irresponsible range.
28:37And, he might not exceed it. But, if he stays healthy, he's going to be every week in that QB 11-15 range.
28:44I don't think he could really fall outside the top 20.
28:48Maybe he won't tap into that ceiling. The floor, I think, is really solid for Jackson Dart just because the ADP never took off.
28:56That's absolutely right. I mean, again, once he took over to the start on week number four on a points-per-game basis, he
29:03was the sixth best quarterback in fantasy football. He averaged over 40 rushing yards a game.
29:09Now, I will say two things. If you were in a league that where it's six points per touchdown pass, not the
29:16typical four, Dart is a little bit lower because so much of his value comes from the rushing.
29:22But, no one had more rush yards per game during that stretch than Jackson Dart.
29:27He averaged over 40 rushing yards per game. And, the consistency was there as well.
29:32Like, to your point about floor, obviously there's upside to Dart, but there's also a floor there.
29:38He had seven different 20-point games last year. He finished as a top-10 fantasy quarterback in eight of his 12 starts.
29:45Wow. You know, eight of 12 starts, this guy was a QB 1.
29:49And, you know, again, a top-10 guy as well.
29:52So, look, can he, you know, can he throw a little bit deeper down the field?
29:58This is a guy who had 6.7 yards per pass attempt last year.
30:02That's one of the questions. And can he stay healthy?
30:05That's always the big question with Dart. He was evaluated for a concussion five different times.
30:11He missed two games. We already saw him, you know, probably the most famous clip from this preseason was Tyrone Tracy blowing
30:18that block and just Dart getting absolutely lit up.
30:21So, I will say, as Fix It Fire says, I'm scared of Dart, you always worry the next hit will take him out.
30:29That's always the question here. But, I think to Roto Pat's point, the ADP isn't scary enough that you, that you feel
30:36like if you take Dart and he does miss some time, that it just, it tanks your team.
30:42I mean, he's, he's currently going in the 10th round.
30:45His consensus ADP on, on fantasylife.com where we track every single ADP across all the sites, his consensus ADP is 96.9.
30:52I mean, 90, so he's basically going in the 10th round.
30:56He's going as a, to your point, a QB11, QB12.
30:59So, I think the injury concern is baked into his ADP.
31:03The upside is there as Greg Lau 100 says, because the Giants O-line keep the Dartler upright.
31:09I think so. And honestly, I do, I truly believe that clip of Tyrone Tracy is one of the reasons why they
31:16signed Najee Harris who is really good in pass protection.
31:20We've talked about this. I don't think Tyrone Tracy is draftable in redraft leagues right now.
31:25And I think Harris will play, but I think that's good.
31:29And I'm, you know, we'll talk about Isaiah likely here in a little bit, but I'm more encouraged by Dart's weapons this year than he was last year.
31:38Rotopad, I want to move on to Cleveland. This is a game, again, talked about Deshaun Watson the other day, but we
31:45haven't really talked this year about Quinshon Judkins who very highly rated prospect coming out of college.
31:51Like we know the talent, you know, and then he, like there was some off the field issues and a slow start
31:58to his rookie season, but when he's been out there, he's been as good as advertised and now he gets into a
32:06Todd Munkin offense that we just saw what happened with Derrick Henry.
32:10And I'm not saying Quinchon Judkins is Derrick Henry, but I do think Todd Munkin wants to run to both set up
32:17the pass and B, try to prevent Deshaun Watson from throwing it that much.
32:22I mean, like Judkins is the best offensive player.
32:25He's got them running the ball and playing good defense is the Browns' best chance at winning games this year.
32:31So the Browns being such a bad offensive environment might be the best thing for Quinchon Judkins this year and the worst thing.
32:39The worst part obviously speaks for itself. Like there's just going to be a lot of three and outs in this Browns offense.
32:47But the fact that there are almost zero expectations for Deshaun Watson in the passing game, I think the Browns are going
32:54to be one of those rare offenses where the game flow might not really matter that much.
33:00They just are going to have no choice but to run the ball and they're not going to mothball their early down
33:07running back just because they're down 14-3 or 17-7 or whatever.
33:11They're just going to have no choice but to run the ball even if it's not what you would typically do in that game situation.
33:19The other problem though, Deshaun Watson of the two who are fighting for the starting quarterback job is not the check down
33:27guy Shadu or Sanders is Denny Carter reminded me the Browns defense was actually making fun of Shadu or Sanders apparently in practice at one point.
33:35All you do is check down and Deshaun Watson say for better or worse definitely for worse at this point does not check down.
33:43He's not taking nearly as many easy layups as he should.
33:47At least he hasn't traditionally done that and Judkins it's going to come down to touchdowns and he's going to be first,
33:54second, and third in line for their goal line opportunities.
33:58It's just how many times will they be at the goal line but kind of like Dart the ADP typically a guy
34:05who comes to the NFL and does that as a rookie running back, especially a day two rookie running back the ADP
34:13will be stratospheric next year but like with Dart it's baked into his ADP all the risk and he's barely going even
34:20as an RB2 and the upside isn't what you would maybe normally expect with his profile but the downside can only go
34:27so low for a guy with his pure running ability and I feel pretty good about Quinshawn Judkins as a back end RB2.
34:35I do too I'm at running back 22 I love him in like guillotine leagues where like again you're in a guillotine
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35:12again in the states where it is legal to do real money gaming but either way whether you play in a free
35:19private league free public league or paid public league Judkins I really like just because I think there's a floor there I
35:26think there's a floor there as Greg Lau says if it's brown if it's a brown flush it down stop it come
35:34on now come on guys this is a family show I think there's a floor there because I agree with you they're
35:41going to have to run the ball regardless of what the score is and I think their defense is good enough that
35:49they're not going to get blown out of a lot of games again the offense may struggle but I don't think they're
35:56going to get blown out of a lot of games where they're down three scores and they've got to be like alright
36:03then we've just got to start chucking it I think they'll be in enough close games that they feel like they can
36:11continue to run the ball and Judkins very quietly over his final four games 13.5% target share not that it's massive but
36:18it's also not nothing and again that's Sanders checking down but I think we see Shadour sooner rather than later so I
36:25just think I had Andy Behrens on the other day and Andy's like you know he used the phrase as long as
36:33they're like normally bad like they're not historically bad they're just like a normal bad team and he was talking about the
36:40Dolphins but I think it applies to the Browns as well and I think the Browns are going to be a normal
36:47bad team I don't think they're going to be historically bad I'm a believer and Munkin you know I like Concepcion Fannin
36:55Boston from a talent standpoint I like Judkins I think their offensive line is fine and again I think their defense keeps
37:02them in games which I think is an important part for them let's move over to and I have it running back
37:1022 by the way which is exactly where he is consensus wise let's move over to Denver here and Jalen Waddell has
37:17always been one of the most efficient players and this is a guy that Sean Payton went out and got paid up
37:24to go get Rotopad where are you on Jalen Waddell this year?
37:28Jalen Waddell I think there's a reason he's like in this segment guys we haven't talked about that a lot I haven't
37:36drafted him a lot even though he fits the profile of someone who would get steamed a lot because he's always been
37:43efficient he's kind of an all around fantasy threat where he can both compile he is a big play threat it's kind
37:50of hard to remember that because Tyreek Hill came into Miami and like stole all that oxygen but Jalen Waddell could be
37:58a big play threat but since he's just kind of a known commodity since he's not perceived as a super explosive player
38:05since he has had the injury issues he's just a player we don't talk about a ton but the Broncos as you
38:12alluded to like they are pot committed they pay it up for this guy they want to look smart and like we
38:20were geniuses for going out and getting Jalen Waddell and paying up when other teams reports are that they're using him all
38:27over the field I think for a year or two there were signs that they like Cortland Sutton but they had been
38:35desperate for Cortland Sutton to not be a featured player you know they were always trying to take shots and other guys
38:42there were rumors it was like him and Judy were both on the block and Judy gets dealt but Sutton is still
38:49there but now a couple of years older at one point last year they tried to make Troy Franklin the number one
38:57as well I think Sutton will be a red zone threat I don't want to say a possession guy obviously because he's
39:04deep down the field but when you think about a Sean Payton offense and trying to get guys in space and yards
39:11after the catch over the last two seasons the Broncos ranked sixth in wide receiver fantasy points they're sixth and they've never
39:19had a guy as good as Jalen Waddell so you see it there on your screen I'm at 18 his ADP is
39:26wide receiver 21 I'm at 37 overall he's going at 47 overall so I'm higher than the consensus on Jalen Waddell this
39:33year like him a lot I wish I had more of him this year than I do but I think to your
39:41point it's going to be a good offense that's moving the ball and Waddell is going to be the focal point of
39:48it as Brandon Garrett says I like Waddell Bo is the question I get that but actually because of the way Waddell
39:55runs his routes he can go deep but he also can do the underneath stuff and Nux is pretty accurate with the
40:03short stuff so I think you're going to see a lot of crossing stuff a lot of motion trying to free up
40:10Waddell get him some easy touches get the ball in his hand and take advantage of yards after the catch another guy
40:18that is so good after the catch yes you're right the guy that's wearing the Bama shirt does like Jalen Waddell it's
40:25fair enough roll tide roll tide roll it's my show I'll do whatever I want it's my kid's birthday happy birthday Connor
40:32but speaking of you know wide receivers in the same LeVayne how about Jameson Williams right let's keep it going here Jameson
40:40Williams seven different weeks finishing as a top 12 wide receiver last season which is tied for fourth most of the position
40:47so we know the upside there right and over the last two years he ranks second among wide receivers in fantasy points
40:54per targets minimum 100 targets we like the Lions offense we love the schedule we love the environment the only question is
41:02it does feel like with Jameson Williams that you know we have these boom weeks and then he just completely disappears and
41:09it's just it's an Amon Ra and you know Jumeir Gibbs week as well so he's he's a really interesting one this
41:16year Roto Pat you know because he's never had a season in his career with a 20% target share like he's never
41:24gotten to an even a 20% target share on this Lions offense where do you have Jameson Williams ranked Roto Pat I've
41:31got him inside my top 24 and Jameson Williams is a guy I am overweight on for better or worse this year
41:39interesting I think Jmo is one of those players where he was so overrated he said draft himself in fantasy he's just
41:46like he told the I don't know if you saw the clip we put it on the fantasy life social channels other
41:53people did as well but he's he's making the plea to fantasy managers like hey draft me I'm I'm the best so
42:01uh sounds like you at least received that message say yeah Jmo I get uh text alerts for all of Jameson Williams's
42:08tweets on my phone so yeah I'm listening to Jmo I think he was so overrated for so long that he became
42:15underrated because we always waited for like that final piece of the puzzle Jameson Williams like the superstar piece of the puzzle
42:23that hasn't happened yet but he's got the thousand yard floor he's scored I think seven touchdowns each the past two years
42:30I think he could add more big plays to his repertoire Dan Campbell last year I think essentially took over a play
42:37call duties because he thought they were not involving Jmo enough like he was personally upset by they were not using Jmo
42:45enough and I think he's a big believer in Jameson Williams you know Drew Petsing coming over from Arizona I know he's
42:52always run his offense through the X receiver I'd be a little surprised if that continued with Jameson Williams in Detroit but
43:00it's an important spot in any offense of course but definitely in Drew Petsing's offense Kyle Dvorchik always warns us of the
43:07Sam Laporta factor he has kind of concerning splits with and without Sam Laporta I mean Laporta is banged up a lot
43:14maybe he'll miss more time this year I think Jmo just gets penalized where he didn't necessarily become the player we wanted
43:22him to be but we're ignoring the really good player that he is and kind of unlike some of the Marquez Valdez
43:29Scantling players with similar skill sets the floor the floor never really falls all the way out for Jmo he doesn't usually
43:36have a zero catch week his bad weeks are more like three catches for 40 yards usually with his profile his skill
43:44set the floor is a zero his floor isn't a zero thankfully and the ceiling is just almost as high as anyone
43:51at the receiver position on a weekly basis not a season long basis of course but for better or worse I love
43:58Jameson Williams still yeah look I have Jmo at I'm at wide receiver 25 but I have at 54 overall he's going
44:06at 60 overall so I'm slightly higher on him than the consensus ADP I'm with you as well as Wolf John says
44:13another Bama wide receiver Devante my ride or die we talked about Waddle is Barry getting something for these Bama promotion I'm
44:20not but you know roll tide roll but I will do you a favor here Wolf John we'll talk about a non
44:28Bama wide receiver and that's Roma no big deal I'm sorry he's got a Bama connection his old head coach ended up
44:35that's what I was going to say exactly and Ryan Grubbs there and the whole thing yeah so Roma Doonsay but Roma
44:43Doonsay did not play ball at Bama no but you know what it's interesting because I've talked a lot about Luther Burden
44:50this year I've talked a lot about Caleb I've talked a lot about Colston Loveland talked a lot about DeAndre Swift and
44:57I love all those guys it cost big fan of all them but let's get into and let's just do it quickly
45:05here because we're running out of time we've got about 13 minutes left in the show but where are you on Roma
45:12Doonsay who in 29 career games has 27 end zone targets almost 40% of the Bears end zone targets over the last
45:19two seasons again no DJ more and this is a guy that does have a first a top 10 overall pick pedigree
45:27to your point Rome we don't talk about relax I feel like we just don't know what to do with him he
45:34was the number one receiver last year before the foot injury he wasn't necessarily on a breakout course but he was doing
45:41better than he did his disappointing rookie season where I'm at with Roma Doonsay I guess the vote of confidence that they
45:49traded DJ Moore he has legitimate alibis for why he has not broken out or why he hasn't produced I just kind
45:56of come back to the fact a lot of times if you're going to be a truly elite player you just don't
46:04need alibis period you just find a way to produce the foot injury pretty concerning that's hard to produce through that he
46:11did play though and the guys where we end up talking about the alibis well the weeks one through eight last year
46:18he first appeared on the injury report in week nine we just don't know how injured he was down the stretch but
46:26weeks one through eight when he was fully healthy he was wide receiver 11 on a points per game basis he had
46:33a 25% target share again in 9 of the 12 games he played last year he had at least a 20% target
46:40share we like this offense we like Caleb Williams we think it's gonna be one of the higher scoring offenses in the
46:48NFL he's going as wide receiver 27 in ADP low end wide receiver three I think that's about right again the I
46:55think the uncertainty is baked into the ADP so going in the seventh round I don't mind taking a flyer on Roma
47:02Dunze in the seventh again I getting spread around but I think this offense again can Roma Dunze put up wide receiver
47:10three numbers because that's what it's costing you and so I don't know that he even needs to he's got some potential
47:17for various spike weeks but if he gives you wide receiver three production as a seventh round pick I mean again I
47:2510 minutes left here you know what I've talked a lot of Ladd McConkie and Amari and Hampton this year you have
47:32Herbert as your Chargers quarterback in the League of assholes we like this LA offense under Mike McDaniel but guy and he's
47:39kind of an old fashioned football player not quite in the Alec Pierce vein but definitely an Alec Pierce type player and
47:47he feels he's great if you're stacking chargers say maybe if have Justin Herbert in a Super Fletcher not that I focus
47:54on stacking really I'm going to send a text to the League of assholes everyone leave QJ for you you just have
48:01to be comfortable with the variants because unlike Jamison Williams I do think Quentin Johnson has a zero floor any given week
48:09he's got two touchdown upside any given week where he just he's never going to get those easy targets and even though
48:16Mike McDaniel is one of the best play callers in the NFL I don't think he's scheming up the easy targets for
48:23Quentin Johnson why would you do it for your boundary dominator your guy who can make big plays down the field I
48:31think he's doomed to remain a real life role player it's an extremely important role in real life but it's a role
48:38that maxes out as wide receiver four in fantasy I don't really see that changing for Quentin Johnston this year yeah look
48:46I'm at round ahead of consensus because I'm a believer in the McDaniel offense I'm a believer in Justin Herbert very quietly
48:53Quentin Johnson one of only five wide receivers with at least eight receiving touchdowns each of the past two seasons his yards
49:00per target have increased every single season to Alec Pierce similar to sort of big Mike Williams back in the day like
49:08he's one of those guys that like if you draft him you either have real thought that Quentin Johnson is the number
49:15two pass catcher on an above average offense from Justin Herbert you know we know McConkie it's going to run through McConkie
49:22and they'll do a bunch of stuff with Hampton and the running backs you know you're hearing reports of Keaton Mitchell going
49:30out wide and they're using him as a wide receiver some and they're doing a bunch of interesting things with Keaton Mitchell
49:37on I think because he had such a brutal start to his NFL career with all the drops and he's just had
49:44some really bad moments and some really big well televised moments that I think the fantasy community is out on him and
49:52I think you started looking at it like this is a first round talent this is a guy that was drafted in
49:59the first round of the NFL draft and sometimes it with the Chargers in an offense we like and I think he's
50:06got talent it seems like the catching has finally figured this out last one here in our final five minutes Roto Pat
50:14and I sort of hinted about it earlier when we were talking about Jackson Dart but I have heard a bunch of
50:21buzz from guys like Jordan Renan and others that cover the Giants day-to-day all the beats are saying like this guy is
50:29catching every single thing around we think this offense is going to throw after Malik neighbors here's the Giants depth chart in
50:36no particular order for pass catchers Darnell Mooney Malachi Fields Darius Slayton Odell Beckham Jr.
50:41I think as we just talked about with QJ I think there is a likely chance that Isaiah is the second best
50:48pass catcher in this Giants passing offense am I crazy no he really is just the wide receiver too I think and
50:56I can get overly obsessed with one data point last year a data point I was obsessed with was John Harbaugh in
51:03Baltimore saying he wanted Isaiah likely to be an all pro it didn't happen because he got hurt in training camp his
51:10season never took off John Harbaugh clearly never wavered in his belief they went out and signed him in the opening minutes
51:18of free agency as you said that Calvary did not come elsewhere it's a really questionable receiver depth chart behind Malik neighbors
51:25who we don't even know if he's healthy I think every sign points to Isaiah Likely being the number two pass catcher
51:32and Harbaugh loves him like you said the media has liked him in New York and he could be he's burned fantasy
51:40manager several times but every time Isaiah Likely gets a chance to be a featured player he's produced I totally agree he
51:47could be a guy show Roto Pat about follow the money and we talked about it with Alec Pierce we talked about
51:55it with Kenneth Gainwell how about Isaiah Likely John Harbaugh goes and signs whatever it is a $20 million a year deal
52:02to be the head coach of the New York Giants and one of the first things he does as new head coach
52:09of the New York Giants in charge of football operations is goes out and signs one of his former players again John
52:17Harbaugh is not coaching he's not calling the plays but the guy that is calling the plays works for John Harbaugh and
52:24so what are you doing as PJ have gone 11 scam likely I kind of like that scam likely but I just
52:31you know again the favorite I'm a big proponent this year of going tight in early like I like one of the
52:39big four I like crap as well so I guess one of the big five but in a world where I just
52:46get boxed out for whatever reason of one of those top five tight ends likely is one of my favorite guys to
52:53this year too there aren't many breakout candidates in the tight in eight to 14 range I all my friend I wish
53:01you luck in every league you're playing in except the two that we're in together my friend we will all check out
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53:16we're 20 seconds away so thank you my friend no thank you you're the best truly my pleasure coming on today and
53:23I'm going to know what to do with myself when our slow drafts are finally over like you'll figure out you'll figure
53:30out something to do just go look at your wife raise your eyebrows and be like honey come over here let's talk
53:38about ADP we need one more future farmer that's exactly all right it's closing time you don't have to go home but
53:45you can't stay here for roto pad I'm Matthew Barry love hey tomorrow peace out