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0:24It is noon on YouTube, which means it's five o'clock somewhere.
0:28What's up party people? It is the Fantasy Football Happy Hour and the Happy Hour is, the bar is open to be perfectly honest.
0:35Your friendly neighborhood bartender Matthew Berry is here for you and have we got a great show.
0:40I am so excited about this show because for the first time, for the first time in Happy Hour history, the person
0:47who drinks free today at the Happy Hour bar is also the person that's on the show today, the great star, Stefania Bell.
0:54Stefania Bell, the legend herself for the first time since I left ESPN.
0:58I believe, Stefania, I believe this is the first time since I left ESPN that you and I have actually been on the air together.
1:06Am I right about that? You are right about that.
1:09Yeah. And I'm very happy to be joining you.
1:12Yeah, no, it's exciting. Usually when you and I talk, it's usually like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:16Where's Beth? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Can you get Beth and I another glass?
1:20Yeah, yeah, yeah. I haven't had a chance to ask it yet.
1:24Yeah, I know. Or I would be. Of course, 100%.
1:27Well, Beth sends her love as well. So we're going to get into it.
1:31So big show coming up today. Obviously tons of drafts that are going to be happening this weekend and Tuesday night before the Wednesday night.
1:39And so as 410 Beckett says, the bar opens early on Friday.
1:43The bar is always open, 410 Beckett, especially if you're in the Discord, the Fantasy Football Happy Hour.
1:48Our Discord is unbelievable. Greg Lau 100 says, star freaking Fania Bell.
1:52So everyone's very excited, Stefania, to see you as well.
1:55Here we go. Medici says, welcome to FFHH. You're the greatest and we need you here daily.
2:00Everyone excited. I can't tell you, Stefania, how many people have texted, DMed, posted under every single one of my social posts, put into the Discord.
2:08We need to get Stefania into Fantasy Football Happy Hour.
2:11We need to get Stefania. And this all came about because, let's be honest, in the offseason news came out that ESPN had a bunch of layoffs.
2:19And your name was out there in the press as part of that.
2:23So, you know, how we doing? What's going on?
2:26You look good. You sound good. Well, thank you.
2:29I've been resting, but also working. You know, I'm really happy to be here.
2:33And I have to say shout out to all of the folks who messaged you and all the folks who messaged me.
2:40Quite honestly, I can't even begin to express my gratitude for the folks out there who sent me kind messages of support.
2:47And actually, that more than anything has really helped convince me that I just need to keep on trucking.
2:52And that's what I've been doing. I mean, the football season does not take breaks for me.
2:58And so I've been busy gathering my intel and getting my information together.
3:02And, Matthew, you are the first person I'm joining.
3:04Yeah, it's very exciting. We have an exclusive here on Fantasy Football Happy Hour here as well.
3:10ESPN losing you to his equivalent of the Portland Blazers not drafting Michael Jordan or Hakeem Olajuwon.
3:15Well, I appreciate that sweep the leg, 538. Look, I have nothing.
3:18Look, as it relates to me, I willingly left ESPN.
3:21I have nothing bad to say about them. I will say, however, that I think they were mistaken in letting Stefania Bell walk out the door.
3:29I have worked with you. I've known you, I believe, almost 20 years at this point.
3:34More than 20 if you go back to when we first met at the Fantasy Sports Trade Association meetings.
3:40Wow. Okay, so over 20 years. I mean, not to date either of us, but yeah.
3:45Of course. We were babies. We were teenagers when we first met.
3:49But like I've known you for over 20 years.
3:51You're a dear friend of mine. You're an even closer friend of my wife.
3:56You really are. Everyone always thinks that's shtick. It's not, actually.
3:59You and Beth are insanely close. But more importantly, I have to say this, is that it has always been a pleasure.
4:06You've always been so kind to me when you're just like, oh, Matthew, you know, you always fought for me.
4:12You always, you know, you promoted blah, blah, blah.
4:15I like, I didn't, none of that was charity.
4:17None of that was done other than you were very easy.
4:21Ved the FFH regular says, Stefania, are interested in checking the ankles for any injury.
4:25You know, guys, I've got bad news for you.
4:28I mean, I'm going to do this for Stefania.
4:31I got bad news for you. But I have to take a flight later today.
4:35So I actually am wearing socks. I'm actually wearing socks.
4:39But there you go. There's a little, there's a little ankle love for you.
4:43There you go. Stefania, how do those ankles look?
4:46Are they healthy? They, yeah. I'm not sure we have enough time to break down those ankles, but you know.
4:52It's fair enough. It's not a bad looking ankle, but I do want to say when you're talking about flying, maybe you should get some compression hose.
5:00I'm not that old. Stefania, for the love of God.
5:03But anyway. Nothing to do with age, my friend.
5:06The athletes wear them as well. I understand. Well, I'm not an athlete.
5:10We all know that. Like there's only so much fat you can suck into compression socks.
5:15But I am wearing Spanx. Look, Stefania, the point here is that Ved, you know, desperate for ankle content as he always
5:21is, but he interrupted me when I was saying nice things about you, which is I will tell you as somebody who
5:28has worked in sports media for, you know, almost three decades now and has worked with a lot of people, a lot
5:35of talented people that I have tremendous respect for, that I truly love.
5:39I will tell you no one, no one I've ever met works harder than Stefania Bell.
5:44No one cares more about getting it right. No one goes the extra mile.
5:48Stefania, you are a legend, rightfully so. You created an industry.
5:51The idea of an on-air TV injury analyst didn't exist before you came along.
5:56You are a, you are an FSGA Hall of Fame, FSWA Hall of Famer.
6:00You are a, you are a game, an FSGA Game Changer Award winner as well.
6:04All of it incredibly well deserved. I have no doubt your future is bright.
6:09And I will just tell you that, you know, you know, we will take as much Stefania Bell on the happy hour as we can get.
6:17I know you're sifting through a bunch of different things, but open invitation, obviously, because we love you.
6:22We love you here as does everyone. And part of the reason, go ahead.
6:26Thank you. Before we get into the injury stuff, I just want to take this moment in front of all your fans
6:33and listeners too, to remind everyone that the reason that I was able to do the nice things that Matthew gives me
6:40credit for, in big part was due to Matthew opening the door for me.
6:44Matthew is the one who brought me to ESPN.
6:47Matthew is the one who gave me the chance when there were very few women involved in fantasy sports, and certainly no
6:54one, as you say, full time doing injury analysis anywhere.
6:57I remember when I got to ESPN, it was like, what do we call you?
7:01Because I was technically hired as a senior writer.
7:04And I was like, well, you know, I'm not, I'm not there to break news on the injuries.
7:10We have, we have people who do that, but I'm there to provide the analysis.
7:14And so I guess I'm an analyst, you know, this is, and, and that's how injury analyst literally the term came to be.
7:21So, Matthew, without you, there really is no me in this space.
7:25And I'm extremely proud of what we created and grew.
7:28And it's, it's phenomenal, don't you think, to see the industry?
7:31And don't you feel like you have so many little children out there who've now, you know, come up in the fantasy industry?
7:38You've got your own place, for goodness sake. You've got your own site with your name, you've created something super special and it's only getting bigger.
7:46You really are the true legend and the pioneer in this space.
7:50You're incredibly kind. You're, you're an easy sell, as they say.
7:53It was not hard to open the door for you because you only made me look good.
7:59And so, you know, thank you for those kind words.
8:02And yes, it's, it's really exciting. As exhausted Texans fan says, you're giving him too much credit Stefania.
8:07He's just a guy with ankles and pinot. Very true.
8:10Very, very true. As Stefania and my wife will attest because they often switch to red.
8:15I stick with the white. They often switch to red after like the first glass or two of white.
8:21But I, I finished the bottle. All right, Stefania, the reason everyone loves you so much.
8:26It's not only, it's not just the boondoggles. It's not just the fact that you root for 8 billion teams.
8:32It's not just the fact that you've got 12 million degrees.
8:35It's the fact that you have the knowledge. You've talked to every team doctor, every team source.
8:40You put in the work, you look at the tape, you do everything.
8:44More than these Twitter doctors, you actually have the knowledge of what is going on with a lot of these players.
8:51No one is better at this than you. And so as we head into the biggest draft weekend of the season, let's
8:58talk about some of the biggest injury concerns. And with each one of these players, I want to just, how concerned are you?
9:05You're all, in addition to being an injury analyst, one of the reasons that when I met you over 20 years ago
9:11that I was so excited is like, you're a hardcore fantasy player.
9:15I mean, to this day, I'm still like in three different leagues with you.
9:19And so, um, uh, so you're a hardcore fantasy player.
9:22And so my question to you is how concerned are you Stefania Bell and all of us, should we be about drafting these players?
9:30And let's start with Patrick Mahomes, of course, tore the ACL last year in week 15.
9:35Patrick Mahomes is, you know, legendary for what he can do on the field and his work ethic off the field.
9:41And I think that is what gives him an edge in this comeback from his, not only a torn ACL, but also a torn LCL.
9:49So two of the four main stabilizing ligaments of the knee.
9:52If you go back and catch the video of when he hurt his knee, you'll see it bows to the outside.
9:58We call that a varus stress. That's what damaged the LCL.
10:02Uh, he had surgery in Texas with Dr. Dan Cooper.
10:05And, you know, really his rehab has been incredibly focused and intense.
10:08Uh, he's hit all the marks along the way.
10:11And I'm going to give you a fun little, uh, sidebar fact story about Patrick Mahomes.
10:16Cause I'll decide if it's fun. You can give me the sidebar.
10:20I'll decide if it's fun. All right, here we go.
10:23I've already decided it's fine. So here's the thing at owners meetings earlier this year, people getting very excited because, uh, the
10:30GM of the chiefs is talking about how Patrick Mahomes has been in the building already every day working out to the
10:36surprise of some people like, wow, he's there. It's the off season.
10:40I expect nothing less. But then they talk about not only is he so intense with this rehab here, when he goes
10:47back down to Texas where he has a home, he takes one of the staff members with him.
10:52And as these reporters are chatting and up about it, they're like, can you imagine there's some guy who literally is the
10:59guy who flies with my homes down to Texas takes care of him and comes back.
11:04And I'm thinking it's not a guy. It's a woman.
11:07Sure. Her name is Julie Freymeyer. So let's give credit where credit is due.
11:11Julie Freymeyer is the reason Patrick Mahomes was able to play in a Superbowl with a bad ankle.
11:17She is the reason that Patrick Mahomes is able to get through the season as we've seen with other injuries in the past.
11:24And it was Julie who was the one who traveled with him to Texas.
11:28And by the way, if you ever catch one of those Patrick Mahomes State Farm commercials where he's talking about not this
11:35trainer, Megan trainer, but this trainer, it's Julie Freymeyer who has taken care of him.
11:39So just that's just one nugget that reminds me why who's rehabbing these folks makes a difference as well.
11:45You have to have the right person taking you down the recovery path and working with you every day.
11:51And Mahomes has showed me that he's ready. It's what we saw during the during training camp when he was out there
11:58working some of the types of reps that he was getting.
12:01Listen, anybody coming back from a multiligament knee injury until you're on the field, you haven't hit the final phase of rehab.
12:08So when you get out there. I was just saying that the other day.
12:12Yeah. You take the hit the first time. Well, you probably do because you've been listening to me say the same thing for 20 years.
12:20Yeah, for sure. But when you when you when you get out there, you take that first hit.
12:25That's the time when you get up from that.
12:28You know, OK, I'm finally back. But we know the way Mahomes trains.
12:32He's very nimble. He's very agile. Those are the kind of things that are going to help him might take a little bit to get the confidence.
12:40And you might lose some accuracy as you're thinking about the knee and not not.
12:45You have to switch to playing football and not thinking about that knee anymore.
12:49But I would be comfortable with Mahomes from a health standpoint.
12:52Is he the best fantasy quarterback? That's a different conversation.
12:55But from a health standpoint, I'm comfortable with Patrick Mahomes.
12:58Well, listen, a career high 25 percent of his points last year came from rushing.
13:03So that's always the concern. Will he run as much a because the coming off of the injury?
13:09But more importantly, they've also got Ken Walker there.
13:11He doesn't need to run when he can just hand off to KW three.
13:16So I'm at I'm a QB 14 this year.
13:18I'm as a high end QB two. But your confidence in him and Julie, as we say, neck break neck brace nation
13:25pointing out that not just used to find you, but Julie drinks for free as well.
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14:33Terms apply. See site for details. I was going to say, Stefania, I know that I, you know, as you know, I follow you on social media.
14:41Everyone follows you on social media at Stefania Bell on Instagram at Stefania L Bell on the X.
14:47But while I was following you on social media, stalking you really, I noticed you are out at 49ers camp.
14:53You were hanging out. And when you were there was the day that George Kittle came back.
14:58So obviously really good timing for you to be there.
15:01I wonder if he came back knowing you were there.
15:04That's my theory is that, oh, Stefania's here. I better show up.
15:08So she says nice things about me on the air.
15:11What say you about George Kittle? We know you're a 49ers homer, but you'll also be honest with the prospects of George Kittle.
15:18I am a 49ers homer, which is why I was so concerned when he tore his Achilles.
15:23Remember, it was the wild card game against the Eagles.
15:26This injury happened January 11th. It's it's crazy to think that George Kittle might be back playing at the level that I
15:33expect he will return at as early as possibly week one.
15:37We do know he made the trip to Australia, whether he plays or not hasn't been established yet.
15:42But let's just talk a little bit about why I feel so good about George Kittle coming back from this injury.
15:48Number one, he and he's talked about most of these things, by the way, this is one of this physical therapist dream.
15:55He is one of those patients who has listened to every bit of input that he's gotten, internalized it, translated it to his work, and it's showing up.
16:04So he had a higher up tear. You know, not you've heard me say this, Matthew, not all injuries are created equal.
16:10They might be called the same thing. You can call an Achilles tear.
16:14Yes, you tear, you rupture the Achilles, you have surgery to fix it, but you can tear it at the what we call the mid substance.
16:22You can tear it down where it attaches into the bone.
16:26That's a much harder recovery, sometimes slower recovery as well.
16:29You can tear it up a little bit higher, which is what happened with George Kittle.
16:34And there are some advantages to that if you're going to start picking advantages in terms of injuries.
16:39You know, the blood flow is better there. The way you do the repair, it's a little bit easier there in terms of recovery.
16:47So from the outset, he had the mindset that I've got the odds in my favor.
16:51If I do everything the way I'm supposed to, I have a decent chance of getting back near the start of the season.
16:58His surgeon, Dr. Neil Elitrash in LA, by the way, do you know that Dr.
17:03Elitrash did over half of the Achilles repairs in the NFL last year?
17:07Obviously, who doesn't know that? I mean, you know, these are the kind of, give us something we don't know.
17:13These are the kind of nerdy stats I like to bring to you.
17:17There were 16 Achilles injuries in the NFL last year.
17:20Dr. Elitrash performed nine of the repairs. So yes, more than half.
17:24But what that gives you when you are not only Dr.
17:27Elitrash, but his top physical therapist, Heather Milligan, who has rehabbed the likes of Aaron Rodgers and J.K.
17:33Dobbins, he knows what to expect along the way and works in concert with Dr.
17:37Elitrash for all of the early things that you do coming off of surgery.
17:42Right. And remember, people were suspect of J.K. Dobbins.
17:44Right. But he comes back from an Achilles repair and looks really good.
17:48This is the old days, the running back. Yeah, but he didn't have a, Stefania, he didn't have a substation to deal with.
17:55You have to address the substation. You were out there.
17:58Like, here's my question. I was standing right by it.
18:01Yes. We all see it. Stefania, question. Not to bring up a painful subject, but you stood next to the substation.
18:08Were you laid off before or after that moment?
18:11Can we blame the substation on this? No. No.
18:13Yeah, you cannot. In fact, you know, I'm kind of friends with the substation.
18:18And the curse is negated, by the way, because when I was there, McCaffrey came back from being absent for a while.
18:24George Kittle came back. He was activated that day.
18:27So, you know, and by the way, check out Pablo Torre.
18:30He does really good work. You might have heard of him.
18:34I have. And he had an outstanding podcast detailing all the, a deep dive into the substation theory.
18:39If you really want to, you know, all kidding aside, you really want to see if there's something there, there, go check out the podcast in any event.
18:48Well, listen, let's keep people at our podcast right now.
18:51Pablo's doing just fine on his own. He doesn't need our help.
18:55But we love Pablo here. Pablo's a buddy. But for the love of God, like, you know, Pablo's doing, I need every viewer I can get here.
19:03So, well, maybe they're, how do you know that they have gone there and say, yes, come check out Matthew Barry's podcast.
19:10I heard that on Pablo Torre finds out. Go find out about Matthew Barry.
19:14Okay. Good. Listen to me. Are you in or out on George Kittle?
19:18This is what I need to know. I know I am in on George Kittle, but these are the, I've just given you the reasons why.
19:26And here's why his meticulous rehab matters. One of the things that happens most often with these guys coming off Achilles and
19:33George Kittle talked about this when he spoke to the media a couple of weeks ago, he said, you know, it's boring.
19:39The rehab is incredibly boring. You're picking up marbles with your toes.
19:43You're doing the most basic of exercises for a long time because it's all you can do.
19:48And when you start turning the corner and you get cleared to run, you get cleared to do the more exciting stuff,
19:55a lot of people back off the basic strengthening and they lose the strength gains that they've made or they plateau early.
20:02What do you hear most often for guys coming back from Achilles is that they don't have the power.
20:07They don't have the explosiveness. They don't feel like it takes them another year to get there.
20:13Part of the reason for that is because they're not doing those things.
20:17You know who did those things? George Kittle. And one of the things I looked at when I was at camp is you are looking at the girth.
20:25I was standing right next to him. You're looking side by side, the girth of the calf because that is reflective.
20:32I didn't know where that was going, Stefania. I'm glad you said calf.
20:36I didn't know where you were going there. All right.
20:39Fair enough. That was the part in question. Sometimes I look elsewhere.
20:42Okay. So that's the girth. The calf girth is what you're looking at for.
20:47The calf girth is what I was looking at.
20:49And by the way, it is so, he looks so symmetrical.
20:53If I told you, you pick out for me which leg was the one that he tore the Achilles in, you wouldn't be able to tell.
21:01And I guarantee you that's not the case for most guys coming off an Achilles repair.
21:06George Kittle has done everything right. I think the difference, and actually Christian McCaffrey said this when speaking to the media the
21:12day I was there, he said, it's not just coming back this quickly.
21:16It's coming back this quickly and looking as good as he does.
21:20So he doesn't look like he's missed a beat.
21:23I would maybe, okay, fantasy purposes. Yeah. I'm not sure I would start him week one because I don't know how much
21:29playing time he's going to get if he does play in Australia.
21:33But the Niners have three home games after that.
21:36He'll be on his home turf. And I expect his utilization.
21:39Look, the red, the red zone offense for the 49ers is going to be so good this year.
21:45Mark my words with what they've got between McCaffrey.
21:47They've got Mike Evans. They've got this new fun toy in Dijon Stribling.
21:51They've got George Kittle. It is going to, they are going to have success in the red zone.
21:57George Kittle is going to be a big part of it.
22:00Yeah, I appreciate that. Good news for everyone that drafted George Kittle.
22:04I believe what Stefania said. There was a lot of words there, but what I took away was that George Kittle has impressive girth.
22:11That's what I took away from that. It's good to know.
22:15You haven't changed very, and I love it. It's very, he's very girthy.
22:19God bless. He's a friend of the podcast, George Kittle.
22:22So we root for him. How could he not be?
22:25You know, he's an easy guy to root for.
22:27So we're excited about him. I'm interested, you said just, you know, a lot of guys.
22:32The other thing I heard you say was, you know, so many guys, you know, they plateau early, which makes me think
22:39I must have had an Achilles injury. But that explains why I plateaued early in my life.
22:44Another big name, Stefania, that so many people don't know what to do with.
22:49And so I really want your opinion. Like how comfortable are you drafting Malik Nabors week four last year?
22:54He tears the ACL. And so we've seen, you know, we've seen, you know, for 30 second clips of him running fast
23:01in shorts and practice, you know, and people are like, ah, Malik Nabors back as a wide receiver one.
23:07But then there's some setbacks and help me figure out Malik Nabors here.
23:11Star Fania Bell. Is he girthy? Uh, haven't seen him in person recently.
23:15Understood. But here's what I'm going to say about Malik Nabors.
23:18And I want to start this, you know, Matthew, back in the early days when people would ask, you know, when we
23:25were just starting out as two kids and people would say, do you ever root for injuries?
23:30I would say like, first of all, don't be silly.
23:33I'm a physical therapist who roots for injury. You never root for injuries.
23:37You always root for the guys to come back and you want them to come back as good, if not better than before.
23:44That's what you want as a PT. That's what I want in fantasy purposes.
23:48But there's the reality of what certain injuries do and how long they take for a player to recover from.
23:55And so for several reasons that I'm about to give you, I will tell you that I have not drafted Malik Nabors,
24:01nor do I plan to in any of my fantasy drafts, no matter where he is in that draft, no matter whether
24:08he were to be in the third or fourth round or up in the second round.
24:13And I'm going to tell you my reasons for this.
24:16And I hope that Malik Nabors comes out and proves everything wrong and has a fantastic season.
24:21And if he does that, he will become an outlier.
24:24That is not the norm for the type of injury he had.
24:28So yes, he tore his ACL, but as we just said with the Achilles, they are not all the same.
24:34He tore his ACL, but he also tore, do you know what else he tore, Matthew?
24:39I don't, was, is it his girth? Can you tear girth?
24:42I don't have it. No, he was a rather slight guy.
24:46He doesn't have a lot of girth, but he tore his lateral meniscus.
24:50Okay. Do you know why that's a problem? Why is that a problem?
24:54I don't, I can't imagine I have a lateral meniscus, but okay.
24:57So he tore his lateral meniscus along with his ACL.
25:00Right. Is this an issue? It's an issue because how many other wide receiver comps do you think we have coming back
25:07from an ACL reconstruction alongside a lateral meniscus repair that we know as?
25:11I gotta be honest with you, Stefania. You're leading the witness, but I believe the answer is not very many.
25:17Well, the answer is zero that I could find.
25:20Wow, zero. Okay. Zero that I could find. And here's the thing.
25:24ACLs often are accompanied by other damage to the knee.
25:27Okay. It's not all the time that you get an isolated ACL, which is ideal if you're looking at the injury.
25:33The less damage, obviously, the better chances of a smooth and quicker recovery.
25:37But usually the mechanism of injury, the way the knee bends in, you end up tearing the medial meniscus, maybe the MCL.
25:44Patrick Mahomes, his knee bowed outward. It was a little weird ACL, LCL.
25:48That's a ligament on the outside of the knee.
25:50Yeah. But it's the meniscus, which is the cushion for your joint, and it protects your knee from developing arthritis later in life.
25:57So that's why it's so important when we have a meniscus injury, if you can, the idea is to try and repair it.
26:05Or if they have to take out a little piece of the meniscus, take out as little as possible.
26:10So he had to have it repaired. The lateral side, more difficult to recover from than the medial side.
26:16It's a weird combo, which already tells you something a little bit concerning about the mechanics of how he had that injury.
26:23Number two, he had to go back for a second surgery to clean up some scar tissue and stiffness in the knee.
26:30In and of itself, not a big deal procedure.
26:32Okay. Can you recover? Sure. But the problem is it tells me that he couldn't get his knee fully extended for a period of time.
26:40And you know what the first goal is coming off this surgery?
26:44Full extension. I would assume, yeah. Yeah, of course.
26:46So the fact that he was delayed in doing that, even though he looked like he was gaining strength and he was
26:53doing good things, that to me makes me less comfortable.
26:56Now, we haven't- Yeah, Robert Ferry says he just scratched him all, he scratched neighbor off of all of his lists.
27:03And star Fania we trust. Listen, he's doing well.
27:05He actually did better at training camp than I expected.
27:08I love the fact that he was able to make progress.
27:12He has not played. There's nothing contested about what he's done.
27:15He's really been out there with very little contested practice.
27:18I mean, he just got out of his non-contact jersey just a little bit ago.
27:23He hasn't played against anyone. And you're talking about setting foot on an NFL field where people are trying to take you
27:30down, not only when you're jumping, when you're landing, you get caught up in people.
27:34And one of the things that's hardest to recover from after a major injury like this is this apprehension, this fear of re-injury.
27:41Not that you're going to re-injure it, but it's the confidence you have to develop in that knee.
27:47The confidence that allows you to go up in the air unencumbered and make these spectacular catches.
27:52The confidence that you know you're going to beat the defender.
27:55These are things that take a while to come back.
27:58So I believe that whenever he comes back, and it's not a lock for week one, but whenever he comes back, it's going to take a while.
28:07We know for the average wide receiver, it takes another full year for you to regain your performance metrics from pre-injury level.
28:13And only two-thirds of wide receivers make it back from this kind of injury.
28:18So he's already got an uphill battle for this year.
28:21I would love to see him have a full recovery.
28:24And you know who's going to draft him next year if this year is uneventful?
28:28Me. But I'm not going to draft him this year.
28:31I'm going to watch from the sidelines and hope that he has a smooth recovery.
28:36But, you know, the other thing to mention is a lot of these guys coming back, you look at Chris Godwin after
28:43his ACL ends up with a hamstring injury that sidelines him.
28:46And Saquon Barkley coming back from his ACL ends up with an ankle injury.
28:50People say, oh, he stepped on somebody else's foot.
28:53Could have happened anywhere. Yes, it could have. But these things are more likely in the aftermath of an ACL injury to
29:00have a secondary compensatory injury or something else that happens.
29:03So the risk there is a little too great for me.
29:06Yeah, I totally get that. His ADP is 30.
29:09As Medici says, look at the knowledge Stefania brings to the table.
29:13It's all about girth and full extension. The more you know.
29:16It's not wrong. Yeah, exactly right. God bless Medici.
29:19All right. Let's get through. I've got so many guys to get through Stefania.
29:23Those were my big long guys. So we can go quicker on the rest.
29:27Yeah, we can go quicker guys. So how about Emeka, Buca?
29:31By the way, just to wrap the table on neighbors real quickly.
29:34ADP of 30 as well. Remember, he only ran 11 routes with Jackson Dart.
29:39So there's also a little bit of familiarity that needs to in 2025.
29:43He only ran literally 11 routes with Jackson Dart as like three passes.
29:47I think. Yeah, 27 snaps, 11 routes. All right, let's move on.
29:50So there is definitely risk there with Malik neighbors and it may not be fully baked into the price just yet.
29:57Let's talk about another wide receiver that burst on the scene.
30:00And that's Emeka Buca toe sprain and practice on August 12th.
30:03How are you feeling about Emeka Buca heading into the season?
30:07A couple notes on his injury that I thought were pretty encouraging.
30:10Rick Stroud, who covers the Buccaneers, long time reporter.
30:13Yeah, does great job. Who covers them, does great job.
30:16Referenced it being a sprain, but a stable one.
30:19That's really important because we talk about sprains, which are ligament injuries in terms of degree.
30:24And if you have, you know, the kind of toe injury that Joe Burrow had, where you have a complete disruption of
30:31the ligaments, the capsules, something called the plantar plate that basically reinforces the base of the big toe.
30:36That's an unstable injury, meaning the joint is totally unstable.
30:39You're going to have to have surgery to fix it.
30:42When you have a sprain and the joint is stable, it tells you, okay, it wasn't severe enough to really cause any disruption to the joint.
30:50That means it's going to be a quicker recovery.
30:53I'm less concerned about re-injury, although it's always a possibility.
30:56But the problem with pre-season injuries, Matthew, is when something happens, they're not putting the guy back out there.
31:02You know, it's just not going to happen. So we don't really get the assessment that we would if we were seeing
31:08them in practice in advance of a week going into week one.
31:12I do think he's going to be ready for week one.
31:15Is there a risk of re-injury? Yeah, there could be.
31:19They can do some things like provide reinforcement within the shoe in the form of like a carbon fiber insert or some
31:25kind of something that actually stiffens the big toe so that you don't have as much mobility.
31:30You don't push off it as hard. We saw him.
31:34There's been some video in the last couple of days of him doing some drills where he was doing backward single leg hops.
31:41By the way, backward easier on a toe than forward, right?
31:44Because you don't have to push off your big toe.
31:47It's just landing. But he did do some planting, cutting and changing direction.
31:51The fact he was doing that pretty easily also looks good.
31:54So again, no guarantees. Sounds like ready for week one.
31:57I am less concerned about this than I would be if it was something more significant.
32:02I'm still comfortable with him. You're still comfortable drafting him.
32:05All right. Let's move along. By the way, equal girth and full extension is a pretty good fantasy football team name.
32:12Just saying. How about Luther Burden who injured his groin in practice on August 8th?
32:16Luther Burden kind of a darling of the fantasy community.
32:19I think he's going to have a breakout year.
32:22I'm not alone. A lot of people like Luther Burden this year.
32:26Are we correct, Stefania? Or do you have concerns on Luther Burden?
32:29Do you remember the old drop we had for the groin injuries?
32:33Yeah. What it was? Yeah. Right. Out of my groin.
32:36Right. No, it was out of my finger. Oh, out of my finger.
32:40That's right. Since you've forgotten that, you don't remember where it came from, which is I was saying that's how that drop
32:47got created, that the groin injury is one of the most telltale things is you guys immediately tend to grab right where
32:54the groin is because, you know, like we know where it is and where it attaches and it's a not very good
33:00feeling when that pulls or a little piece of it pulls off the bone.
33:05So you put your finger there. That's what happened with Luther Burden.
33:08That's kind of how we decided he had a groin injury if the detectives knew right away because he did kind of
33:15reach up and grab the groin area. Lucky for him, this happened early in the preseason.
33:20It was August 8th, I think, during a practice.
33:23But again, you weren't going to see him for the rest of the preseason.
33:27I think the fact that he's been outside doing drills, you know, running around.
33:31He started practicing again in the past week. I think the expectation is that he will be ready for week one.
33:38Again, they're a Sunday game, so it's not until September 13th.
33:41You hope for the best without a setback or without recurrence.
33:44But any soft tissue injury, there is a risk of recurrence during the season.
33:49So you just hope he's had enough time. You comfortable drafting him?
33:52At where he's going, yes, I am. Okay. Yeah, I like him a lot.
33:57I'm at wide receiver 22. I'm at 44 overall.
33:59His ADP is 54 overall. So I'm a full round ahead of consensus.
34:03I'm all in in Luther Burden. I will tell you though, by the way, when I was a teenage boy, a lot of groin injuries.
34:11A lot of groin injuries for your boy, Maddie.
34:14I do not. When I was a teenage boy.
34:16I don't even want to know how this happened.
34:19Let's move on to Ashton Jeanty, Stefania. Let's move on to Ashton Gentty.
34:23Sprained in that ankle in practice, August 23rd. There were concerns when it initially went down that this could be something very serious.
34:30They bring it out the cart, the whole thing.
34:33Yeah. Mike Washington suddenly. Everybody gathered around, kneeling, having thoughts.
34:36Yeah, kneeling in prayer. A lot's going on. A few hours later.
34:40But it doesn't seem. Not serious. Yeah, it doesn't seem that serious.
34:43How comfortable from an injury perspective. Actually, we had Field Yates on yesterday's show.
34:48Field had Ashton Jeanty as his bust this year.
34:50But my question to you is to find it purely from a...
34:54Exactly. No, we love Field. And he was great yesterday.
34:57Of course. No, I know. I know. And that's the thing that's tough.
35:01I'll just say this. You don't have to say anything.
35:04I will just say that whenever you're at any place that has layoffs, and I was at NBC when they had layoffs,
35:11and I was at ESPN when they had... I was at ESPN for 15 years and they had multiple layoffs.
35:17And anytime you're there, it just... Corporate decisions are corporate decisions, but that doesn't mean you don't still love your teammates and
35:24your friends and the people who spend so many...
35:27We're drafting in leagues together. Yeah. Just to be clear to anybody who might be wondering.
35:31All my buddies. We're all drafting in leagues together.
35:34So, yes. Yes. We're all still... Yes. We're all still on multiple campaigns.
35:38The fantasy friendship runs super strong. Super strong and deep.
35:41But anyway, so Field had Gentty as a bust.
35:44My question to you is purely from an injury standpoint.
35:47How comfortable are you drafting Ashton Gentty this year?
35:50Well, do you remember that the question was, was it a low ankle sprain or a high ankle sprain because this is
35:56where everybody gets real nervous and they don't really know why.
36:00And at this moment, it doesn't matter. But when you see reports that something is sort of low, sort of high, one
36:07of my buddies who is one of the top foot and ankle surgeons in the country and deals with a lot of
36:13these injuries, he's like, I hate that when I hear that because it's not.
36:18They're a different mechanism of injury. A low ankle sprain is like the basketball sprain.
36:22You roll your foot in. That's called an inversion sprain.
36:25A high ankle sprain, your foot gets twisted out.
36:28Usually somebody falling on you. We can't see what happened to Ashton Gentty, right?
36:32It happened at practice. So we don't have much idea.
36:35But it sounds like it was a low ankle sprain after all and not something that was going to be a significant injury for him.
36:43I'm not especially worried about it. I'm a little more concerned about what I'm hearing about how much is Mike Washington going to play?
36:50What's going to happen to Ashton Gentty's utilization in this offense?
36:54And I, you know, all kidding aside, I understand some of the concerns that field has.
36:59To me, they're not from the injury perspective. It's sort of the overall, what does the offense look like here?
37:05I have him slightly lower than consensus. I'm at 18 overall.
37:08He's currently going 16th overall. So slightly lower than consensus.
37:11You know, I do think they'll involve him in the passing game, like the offensive line a little better.
37:17We talked about this yesterday on the show, but there's definitely cause for concern with Ashton Gentty.
37:22But it sounds like it's more in the overall situation and less about the ankle moving forward.
37:27How about Jeremiah Love speaking of ankle sprains? Like, so it's reported as a high ankle sprain.
37:32Yeah. The first preseason game, August 13th. Um, this is obviously, you know what they gave him like, I think what 8 billion touches in the first game.
37:41You're like, what are we doing here? This is the thing I'm going to side with my friend Lou Riddick here.
37:47Who's like pretty soon. We're not going to have people doing anything in the pre like why even show up because we
37:54get so paranoid about this is a kid who's never played in the NFL.
37:58He played three series. He didn't do that much.
38:01Um, I am not all up in arms about, oh, they should never have let him have that many touches in the first game.
38:09He actually looked better each series and he was getting a little more comfortable.
38:13And I think that's what they wanted to see.
38:16So that's my defense of him playing. Um, yes, it's unfortunate, but remember it wasn't.
38:20Will you draft him, Stefania Bell? That's what we want to know.
38:24Listen to me. I know you. I'm getting there, but you have to hear why you brought me here to tell you
38:31why he, we, did you see him go off injured?
38:34No, you didn't. And you had to find out after the game that he had an injury.
38:39So it wasn't that bad. He obviously didn't need surgery for it.
38:42Michael floor reported that pretty early. Um, and again, it's training camp.
38:46Once you have an injury, you're not going to see them for the rest of the time.
38:51Is it typically a little slower to recover from a high ankle sprain?
38:55It typically is. It's just more problematic because of the biomechanics of the joint relative to the type of injury that it is.
39:02And every time you, you walk or create too much rotational or torsional stress on the ankle, you run the risk of aggravating it.
39:10So it's really hard to get back into practicing without annoying the ankle.
39:14And that's why it takes a lot. My feeling is they got a little warning from this.
39:19They are not going to rush back the number three overall pick for no reason.
39:23So, uh, for fantasy purposes, I think it might hurt him in the sense that we don't know how much utilization they're
39:30going to allow early on because he's recovering from the injury.
39:34And you know, they're, they're probably not going to be great anyway.
39:37Uh, so I, I just don't feel comfortable about what he looks like for fantasy purposes.
39:42I'm not particularly worried about this injury. I think if they're smart though, they will hold him out until they know he's
39:49good and ready, because I will say this a high ankle sprain that doesn't heal can become a chronic problem.
39:55I mean, dare I say career threatening, we do have surgeries to treat those things.
40:00Now. I don't think this was a severe injury, so, uh, less likely, but all the more reason to let him heal
40:06a hundred percent before you put him back out on the field.
40:10His current ADP is 29. I'm at running back 14, but I also have a 29 overall.
40:15So I'm right in line with consensus there. He's, you know, going the third round.
40:20I, uh, just, you know, I will say that in a world where I draft Jeremiah love, I might, you know, you
40:26know, go up a couple of rounds ahead of ADP for Tyler Algier just to make sure I lock him in as
40:33well, because we know Tyler Algier can be good when he gets a look.
40:37And by the way, uh, if, if you're in a deep guillotine league, for example, Tyler Algier could be a very interesting
40:44week one play where you're just like, just looking for live bodies in these 18 man guillotine leagues where it gets deep quick.
40:51Yes. Like the one we're in. Right. Exactly. That's exactly right.
40:55But look, we expect him to touch the ball a lot, right?
40:58Seven of the eight last run seven of the last eight running backs that were drafted inside the top 10 of the NFL.
41:05All saw at least 270 touches as rookies. So we expect Jeremiah love when he gets out there to see the ball quite a bit.
41:13Um, you know what, uh, Brees Hall speaking of groins, Stefania Brees Hall strained his groin in practice on August 11th.
41:19Um, out my finger indeed for Brees Hall. Uh, where are you in terms of comfort level drafting Brees Hall?
41:25Forget that he's a jet for a second. Yeah, I know minus the jets.
41:30I I'm, I'm comfortable with it again. This is one that was reported to be minor.
41:35It's not what, you know, we had to go by the reports of the folks who were there, what they saw.
41:41He went, he went down after, um, catching a swing pass.
41:44Um, he's been running, doing agility drills, the things that you expect to see back, uh, the week one game for them also on Sunday, September 13th.
41:53So that hits around four weeks. It was originally described as probably a two to three week injury.
41:58So again, you protect the player hoping for the health during the season.
42:02Uh, this is not really, um, this is not really going to make me reluctant to draft him.
42:08Groin injuries in the season are far more concerning, right?
42:11Because it oftentimes a player will try to push to get back before they're a hundred percent.
42:16And they just, they lack power and explosiveness. It's not just the lateral cuts.
42:20You really get a lot of your forward power from the groin musculature.
42:24And in the case of these guys who have them preseason, but they have ample time to rest.
42:30They get the extra cushion because nobody's going to push them to get back.
42:34I feel much better about those. All right, good.
42:37I, yeah, I think Brees Hall, I think the hate has gone too far on Brees Hall.
42:42His ADP is 33, 34 consensus. I'm at 28.
42:45I'm at running back 13. Again, Frank Reich, by the way, uh, the Colts were seventh in running back receptions in all
42:51of Frank Reich's tenure as the head coach of the Indianapolis Colts.
42:55Three straight years of averaging at least 85 yards from scrimmage.
42:58Like again, the receptions and the targets are more valuable than running back carries.
43:03I think they're going to throw to the ball.
43:05I think they're going to throw him the ball a lot as word VP says more worried about him being a jet than his groin.
43:13Fair enough. Yeah. I mean, like, but I'll be just saying you can't pull a jet, but you can pull a groin.
43:20There's something to think about there. Hey Stefania, let's talk about Quinshawn Judkins here.
43:24Dislocated the ankle and fractured his fibula week 16 of last year.
43:28The Browns need a heavy workload out of Junkins.
43:31Any concern about him heading into this season? You know, this is one of those injuries that running backs, uh, it can
43:37really affect how they look running the ball. Um, go back to Tony Pollard when he had his injury and he had been so electric for the Cowboys.
43:46But in the first year following that ankle fracture dislocation, he just didn't have it.
43:50Wasn't the same ends up getting moved over to Tennessee.
43:53And he talked about it when he got to Tennessee and said, you know, that first year was hard for him.
44:00Really had to work through a lot of stiffness.
44:03You know, there's scar tissue that builds up. You know how many times I've had to work through a lot of stiffness to find a man.
44:11Oh, man. It's me and Quinshawn Judkins. Totally get it.
44:14Understood. Yes. You guys are built just the same.
44:16Have you seen it? We look, you, honestly, honestly, if you took a picture of us without our heads, you could not tell us apart.
44:24You really wouldn't be able to tell. No. But here's the thing.
44:28Here's what I say about him. Um, I, I was really watching the work that he was doing in OTAs.
44:34I was actually a little bit surprised at how much he was doing early on.
44:38He looked really good. Yeah. And one of the advantages that you get from being out there that early, in other words,
44:45it was like he was held out. We didn't see him till training camp.
44:49He was actually working in 11 on 11s then.
44:52So he was getting out in the mix. It means he had to like dash and make cuts and do these things
44:59to test his ankle way back in May and June.
45:02And that actually makes me feel better about him coming into this season than another guy who might not have really gotten
45:09that kind of work on his ankle heading into the start of the year.
45:13If you look at camp Scadaboo, who had a horrific open dislocation on the field, had to have emergency surgery, terrible injury.
45:20You might think, well, you know, there's somebody where you're really worried about residual stiffness because of how nasty the injury is
45:26something similar, but he's different style of running back.
45:29Like he's not nimble. He's a power guy. So I'm not that worried about that.
45:34Judkins would have me a little more concerned. But what I saw at OTAs makes me feel better about where he is
45:40from returning to his pre-injury standpoint than I otherwise would be.
45:44We only have a few minutes left here, Stefania.
45:47So just quickly, so you're not concerned. We were, I want one more.
45:51I want to talk to you about Tucker Kraft of worded Kraft.
45:54So you're not concerned about Scadaboo. You might've been a little bit more concerned about Judkins if you hadn't seen how good he looked in OTA.
46:02So feels like general cautious thumbs up on both Scadaboo and Judkins.
46:06Am I hearing that right? Yeah. Let me say about Scadaboo, it's really because of the style of runner that he is
46:13and for what he will do for that team.
46:15I still think he's going to look like a plotter and his ankle is probably going to be stiff and sore at
46:22times, but it doesn't really worry me. And Judkins, I think has shown me- I like it when you talk about ankles, by the way.
46:30That's my language. Just so you know. I am so, now I just am regretting everything I just said.
46:35By the way, you and everyone else that ever comes on this show, by the way.
46:40It's a familiar feeling. It's part of the theme.
46:43Listen, the people, they love their ankles. I can't disappoint Ben.
46:46Have you had surgery on your ankle before? Because I have.
46:50I have not. I have not. I have virgin ankles.
46:53So I have actually a scar. But I don't dare hold my ankle up on camera because that could lead to other
47:00things that we just don't want to go down that path.
47:03You know, honestly, Stefania, it's just something to think about.
47:06Maybe just maybe only ankles. Let's start. Stefania, let's start an only ankles account for you.
47:11Only feet. Oh, people pay for your feet pics, Stefania.
47:14Just saying. You have been in my mentions. I have.
47:17I know. That's what I'm saying, Stefania. Like, come on.
47:20You know? Yeah. I mean, like, you know, you no longer have to run, you know, run that by ESPN.
47:26You just say, you know, I've decided to do.
47:29I've decided to join like, you know, only feet or whatever it is, whatever those sites are where people, you know, where people pay for feet pics.
47:37There's definitely people that will pay for feet pics that much.
47:41I know. I don't want to know how you know, but I know, you know.
47:45Yeah, exactly. Exactly. As Cobra Kiger says, yes, Stefania, you know, like girth, girth talk is fine, but apparently ankle talk is
47:52like where you, where you draw the line. That's right.
47:55PJC 05.0.1 says, Barry the Ankler. That is my nickname here among the regulars.
47:59I am in fact the Ankler. Let's say one last week.
48:03We got five minutes left here. So quickly. Stefania, let's talk about Tucker Kraft who tore his ACL in week nine of last year.
48:10I'm as tight in five and I'm higher on him than consensus.
48:14Am I going to look stupid or smart this year?
48:17It remains to be seen, but I think you could end up looking very smart.
48:21Um, think of what Tucker Kraft was doing when he got hurt.
48:25Think of how important he was to that offense.
48:28And yes, uh, it, by the way, the sidebar on this is why are people so negative on Tucker Kraft coming back from an ACL?
48:35Oh, you know, and how's he going to look and what's he going to do?
48:40And blah, blah, blah. But they're like Malik neighbors ready to rate him.
48:44Like number one. Oh, he could be a top three wide receiver finish.
48:48I would argue Malik neighbors injury recovery process was more concerning than Tucker Kraft's for sure.
48:53So he's had a pretty smooth recovery, been very meticulous about it as well.
48:57He's spoken a great deal about it. I think people got nervous when he said he was talking to reporters a while
49:04back and said, you know, they probably weren't going to, he didn't say they weren't going to take the governor off, but it was essentially something like that.
49:12Like probably wouldn't be fully rolled out. He said, I don't know.
49:16He goes, I don't know. It could be half the season.
49:19And I think people got nervous. Like, oh my gosh, they're going to hold him back for that long.
49:25If you look from an efficiency standpoint, if just take the preseason and look when Tucker Kraft's been on the field, they're going to him.
49:33So what do you care if he plays all the snaps or not?
49:37If every time he's on the field, he's potentially a target.
49:40He's potentially somebody who could score. I am not worried about Tucker Kraft based on what I've seen.
49:46Will he immediately go back to what he was pre injury?
49:49I think some of those same rules hold true.
49:52You have to earn that confidence back, but everything he's done so far shows me that he's ready to play NFL football and he's had the exposure already.
50:00He's taken some hits. He's been out there in the mix against his defense.
50:05That's what I like to see. No, I like to see it as well.
50:09So that's good. I have him as a top five guys to find you.
50:13You've said it all. And I want to keep you around here for this if you don't mind.
50:19But I want to announce who's in our fantasy football happy hour regulars league.
50:23So this is a listener league. It's me against 17 other people.
50:27It's mean 18 team guillotine leagues. We're going to play it out on guillotine leagues dot com.
50:32And draft is going to be Tuesday night at 10 p.m.
50:35Eastern, because I already have two drafts that night.
50:38I have a six and an eight that Tuesday.
50:41So 10 o'clock was the only time I could do it.
50:44I actually have two drafts on Monday night as well.
50:47No one likes a bragger. By the way, for all your listeners out there, the first time I ever played in a
50:54guillotine league, it was against yours truly, Matthew Berry.
50:57And who won that league, Matthew? Star Fonja Bell did.
51:00Absolutely. That's right. Correct. That's literally the league. You guys can beat him.
51:04Yeah, sure. The league is literally called anyone but Stefania.
51:07And because of that victory. All right. In no particular order, in no particular order.
51:11Again, we I wanted to reward. Oh, well, I guess we're going to release it right now.
51:16It's going to go one by one. But you see it right there on your screen.
51:21They don't trust you to get through it. Fixed fire.
51:24SEC Man 01. Cobra Tiger. Raise the flag. Stuntman Chuck 85.
51:28Neck Brace Nation. Neck Brace Nation is in the is in the league.
51:32Ryan Oswald 3790. VED. The FFHH regular. Aloha Bricks, of course.
51:35Dr. Deoxide. I don't think he's real doctor, Stefania.
51:38Just be clear. Brandon Garrett. Exhausted Texans fan. Wolf John.
51:41My KOK. Ryan Diamond and Jonathan Medici. I think the MAI KOK.
51:45I think he's trying to get me to say something and I'm not going to do it.
51:50I know. You know what? I actually am so impressed by you.
51:53Your professionalism right there. I just. Wow. Yeah. But anyway, he impressed me today.
51:58A couple of times. I appreciate that, Stefania. Anyway, these are the guys in the league.
52:03And so producer Damien is going to be reaching out to you guys in the discord.
52:08These are the guys that I have shown up the most since the start of the show all the way through today.
52:14It's it's no disrespect to anyone else. But if somebody in this list can't make it, we will have replacements and we'll reach out to you in discord.
52:23But here's who's in the inaugural FFHH regulars leagues to find you and they will all take your advice.
52:29I expect I expect Malik neighbors to drop to like the 12th round.
52:33No, that's not going to happen. But listen, again, reminder, if he has a great season, good for him.
52:38Love outliers. Adrian Peterson was an outlier. It hasn't been done since.
52:42No one's looked like that since. Everybody thought everybody who came next was going to look like Adrian Peterson.
52:48They did not. There's always room for outliers. I, as you know, am a fantasy football cautious drafter.
52:53So when I have concerns, I you know, but it's OK.
52:57I've I've done fairly well for myself. Yes, you have.
53:00We will all did that. So if you're you're yeah, no, you absolutely are, especially by the way in Scott Fishbowl you're always at year after year.
53:08You are one of the highest ranked people in the fantasy industry.
53:12It's a 5000 person tournament. And among the industry people, it's both, quote unquote, regular players and then people that do this for a living.
53:19And among the people that do this for a living, you are always consistently one of the highest ranked in that tournament.
53:26We will all follow you on X at Stefania L Bell.
53:29We will follow you on Instagram on the gram at Stefania Bell.
53:33And you'll let us know what feat sharing site you'll be on so we can all follow you there where people can pay money.
53:40Can't wait. I wish everyone a ton of luck this weekend in your drafts.
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53:54It's closing time Stefania, which means you don't have to go home, but you can't stay here.
53:59Can't stay here. We will see everyone back on Tuesday.
54:02Peace out. Peace out. The Sealy Space Plus. It's 24th and I asked you about to see you.