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1:02What's up, brother? How are you? I'm great. I'm great.
1:05It's great to be here. Great to join you.
1:07Great to see a fellow old. We'll see if we can answer some fantasy questions for the people.
1:13Yeah, I'm disappointed. Despite the fact that you and I are both at advanced ages, you have still maintained your hair.
1:19And, you know, like you're gray, but you have hair.
1:22Like I'm gray and I'm balding. Like it feels like pick a lane.
1:26Like I yell at my hair every day. Pick a lane.
1:29Like, okay, we're gray. Okay, fine. We're bald. Everyone's jumping ship.
1:33Okay, fine. I understand that. But like, pick an effing lane.
1:36And they're both like, no, no, F you, Barry.
1:39We're hitting you with both barrels. So. Yeah, but I'm like, I'm dramatically gray.
1:43I'm extremely gray, excessively gray. I'm, I don't know.
1:45I may have to do something about it. Well, I have, you know, as Martin's World 1987 says, I really love how
1:52the total amount of hair for each gets fluctuates pretty drastically each day.
1:56Yeah, I'm trying to get a wide range of guests here in the happy hour.
2:01It is a bar. Everyone is welcome in the bar.
2:04And so those that are follically challenged and those with thick heads of lettuce, all welcome as well as pronto.
2:10Joey says, who doesn't love Andy? Top notch dude and has some hair.
2:13Cheers, fellas. Thank you, pronto, Joey. Cheers to you as well, my friend.
2:17I got my red solo cup obviously filled. So what I want to do today, Andrew, is I would like to talk about the hardest players to rank.
2:26We're going to get to, we'll get to that in a second, but we're going to talk about the hardest ranked players to rank.
2:33But before that, we, we have available to us a plethora of booty jokes because Kayshawn Booty now is a member of the Houston Texans, right?
2:41The New England Patriots said, hey man, we're no longer interested in this booty.
2:45You can have this booty. Here's some secondhand booty.
2:48The Texans are like, we're desperate for some booty.
2:50Bring it on. Give us some booty. And so here you go.
2:54Now new booty in Houston. It is Kayshawn Booty.
2:57I'm not above. I am not above. As you see the tweet from Tom Pellicero.
3:01No trade. The Patriots sending wide receiver Kayshawn Booty to the Texans for safety and Jalen Reed and a draft pick.
3:08Sources tell the ringer and Fox Sports or Netflix Sports.
3:11Sorry, Tom. Sorry. I forgot that he's in Netflix now.
3:14All right. So I'm curious what your reaction to the trade is other than, oh my God, all sorts of booty jokes because Barry's like 12 years old.
3:22Yeah. I feel like you, I feel like you may have exhausted our supply of booty jokes there.
3:27It was, you know, as NFL trades go, this is one of the more predictable trades, right?
3:33Like you could have seen this coming. This is, this is not necessarily one that blindsided us.
3:38They had a screaming need in Houston after the Jaden Higgins injury.
3:41And Kayshawn Booty was, he's at that level of player where, you know, he's, he's really valuable to some team in real
3:48life, but obviously the Patriots have, have changed the receiving core.
3:51They've upgraded in a pretty big way. They brought on some veterans who were going to, who were going to take some
3:58of those targets that went to booty. This is a great spot for him though.
4:02That the Texans were not great. You know, if, if Kayshawn Booty only remains in the role that he had last year
4:09with new England it's a, it's a big fix for Houston because they did not hit a lot of deep balls last year.
4:16And you can make the argument that the best play in football last year was Drake may go in deep to Kayshawn Booty.
4:23I think he had a, he had a passer rating when targeted of like one 53.3, almost everything hit bunch of touchdowns.
4:29The real question fantasy wise, I guess, is whether he can be more, whether he can be more than a vertical threat
4:36who, you know, if you're that guy, then you're kind of a, then you're kind of a best ball play.
4:42I don't know when you're going to go off.
4:45It might happen two or three times a year, but if he can be an inside outside guy, if he can actually
4:51do some of the Higgins stuff that would get pretty interesting.
4:55Yeah. Look, I mean, you know, it obviously in Houston, there's some strange booty there.
4:59They're interested in some strange, some strange booty. Cause he's new to the team, obviously.
5:04Say, I know what you were thinking, Andy. Oh, he's exhausted those jokes.
5:07And I don't, this is our first time doing a show together in quite some time.
5:12No, no, no. I can run any joke into the ground and I intend to do so here today.
5:18But I think you are absolutely right. In terms of Kayshawn Booty, like he gives them a deep threat, right?
5:24Once Tank Dell went down, it was pretty much just Nico Collins.
5:28And I think the biggest impact of Booty coming to Texas, the Texans getting some new booty, is that Nico Collins is suddenly freed up.
5:35He doesn't just have to be, you know, the deep threat, you know, can they do some more bubble stuff?
5:41Can they do some underneath stuff? Can they find different ways to get Nico Collins the ball?
5:46Because Kayshawn Booty is taking the top off the defense.
5:49He can play the X and just, and just go ahead and fly and free up Nico, you know, put Nico in
5:56motion, just, you know, try to get him just some easy touches.
5:59Where I ranked, so, I mean, listen, I have Nico Collins still at wide receiver nine, but I have Kayshawn Booty at
6:06wide receiver 62, Jalen Noel at wide receiver 74, Tank Dell at wide receiver 75.
6:11And to your point about what could Kayshawn Booty become, you know, as Ruben pointed out in the chat, you know, the booty is bigger in Texas.
6:19I do think the opportunity for Kayshawn Booty in Texas is bigger because he was trapped behind A.J.
6:24Brown and Romeo Dobbs and I guess Pop Douglas.
6:27And I guess, you know, it's a nice vote of confidence for Kyle Williams in New England.
6:32But there's an opportunity there to carve out a number two role.
6:36And I think when you're that far into the draft, right, again, I have all of the non-Nico Collins wide receivers outside my top 60.
6:43But when you're at that point of the drop, you're just hoping for upside.
6:47And so, like, I'm not interested in Jalen Noel, but I do think if Tank Dell's healthy, that's really interesting because we've
6:54seen Tank Dell perform at a very high level fantasy perspective.
6:57But barring injury, and you have to feel like this isn't a great sign for Tank Dell that they went and made the trade for Kayshawn Booty, right?
7:06That they're at least a little bit, you know, at least a little bit nervous, wanted more depth there.
7:11So I have Booty ranked the highest because I think he's got the best opportunity to sort of burst through and become potentially fantasy viable.
7:19I mean, we have seen in a world where C.J.
7:22Stroud gets closer to rookie year C.J. Stroud than what we've seen recently.
7:26And that Nico Collins stays healthy, that, like, could this offense be good enough to support two fantasy relevant pass catchers?
7:32And I think there's a chance. Again, I'm outside my top 60.
7:36Let's not get crazy. But I think this is a good trade for C.J.
7:40Stroud. It's a good trade for Nico Collins. And certainly, whatever you think of Kayshawn Booty, I'm more interested in the booty
7:46in Houston than I am in New England. And that goes in real life as well, by the way, just to be clear.
7:53Well, to Ryan's point in the chat, I think we do have to bump the booty a little bit after this trade.
8:00Come on in. The water's warm. Yeah, that's right.
8:03Yeah, it is one of that, actually. That felt really good.
8:06It really felt good off the club. Yeah, I think it's a great point about Tank Dell, too.
8:11This is not a ringing endorsement of where Tank Dell is at coming off a pretty horrific injury.
8:17I think you're in the right spot on Booty, generally.
8:20Again, he's not a one-for-one replacement for Jaden Higgins because they are dramatically different just physically and stylistically.
8:25One is 6'4", the other is 5'11". They are not the same size.
8:29They can do some of the same things, but I wouldn't be inclined to use them in the same way, necessarily.
8:35And still, this is probably the guy that has the most juice in that receiving core.
8:40I'm partial to Jalen Noel. I think eventually we're going to see some weeks from him.
8:45I think eventually he's going to make a little noise.
8:48I really liked him as a college player. But again, I think Booty arrives as somebody who can fix an obvious need.
8:55I don't have him quite as high as I had Higgins.
8:58So yeah, wide receiver 60s range feels about right.
9:01Also, all the wide receivers after 30 are just kind of an ocean of the same player, right?
9:06So ranking him 60 doesn't mean you're out on him.
9:09Yeah. No, and look, we'll move on. And by the way, some of the players that are after wide receiver 30 are
9:16a couple of the guys we're going to talk about here in one second.
9:20My only argument of Booty over Noel, I know you like him.
9:24I just, if you're telling me one of these guys explode, you know what I mean?
9:28Like to me, Jalen Noel could just be solid, right?
9:31You know, but I just don't necessarily see the explosiveness from him that I do see from Booty.
9:37And I will say that all last name puns aside, he's also a young player that's flashed.
9:42And so I like the play by the Texans just to, hey, not only adding depth for this season, but like this is not just some rent-a-player.
9:50This is somebody that they could develop that obviously had a future that was blocked somewhat in New England.
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11:09Terms apply. See site for details. When I sent out the tweet for this show, Andy, I said, where there is uncertainty, there is opportunity.
11:16You know, my friend Jay Croucher, who was on the show with me last year, you know, would always talk about the
11:23fact that when there's chaos, there's opportunity, right? That, like, the books don't know how to necessarily price certain things when there's unknown and uncertainty.
11:30And so that's same with ADP and the market.
11:33And so there's a number of players that have very questionable ADP because just the market, the universe of fantasy football players
11:40that you and I exist in, are just, I don't know where to rank this guy.
11:45Is this guy going to be good this year?
11:47Is he going to be bad this year? For the most part, most of the players, we sort of feel like assuming
11:54health, we figure this is what this guy is going to do.
11:57And they're all sort of in the same range, right?
12:00At this point of the season, you know, ADP sort of settles in.
12:04But you and I came up with, off camera, kind of the eight players that we feel like are the hardest to
12:11rank this year where we think there's the most opportunity for fantasy managers if we can nail it right.
12:17And I want to start with Patrick Mahomes, who is, you know, one of the elites of the elites, one of the
12:23faces of the NFL, first ballot Hall of Famer.
12:26He's been a top 10 fantasy quarterback in points per game in all but one season of his career, 2024.
12:32But coming off the ACL, this is not a guy who, this is a guy that, you know, sneakily would always add fantasy points with his legs.
12:40Is he going to run as much coming off of the injury?
12:44Travis Kelsey is a little bit older. We've got question marks about Rasheed Rice as well with all the issues he's dealing with.
12:51And so the weapons are slightly different. What do we do, Andy, with Patrick Mahomes this year?
12:56Yeah, I've got him. And maybe it's maybe it's a statement about my lack of comfort in him as like just a
13:02locked in quarterback one, which is, of course, where we would have had him in any other year.
13:08He's he's I've got him at QB 13 just outside like that group of of absolutely dialed in quarterback ones.
13:14He's he's also like he's one of the two or three best quarterbacks that any of us have ever seen in our lives.
13:21But to your point, we we might have we might have preferred a quieter offseason from his number one receiver.
13:27But but Rasheed Rice is healthy right now. That's that's kind of new and interesting.
13:31Worthy is relatively healthy right now. Kelsey's still there.
13:34Like he's got the familiar cast of characters. I think that's good.
13:38The essential question and you hit on it is what exactly is the rushing upside?
13:42Because this is a player for whom we have been able to count on 300 plus yards.
13:47It was a little better than that last season, you know, two to five rushing touchdowns.
13:52And I guess in Mahomes's case, I don't I don't feel like it's going to be absent entirely.
13:57Right. Like, I don't think he's going to go into the Matt Stafford phase of his career where we're getting, you know,
14:04a single rushing yard over the course of a full season.
14:07And he's such a good opportunistic runner. And it's not, you know, he might be the slowest player in league history to ever rush for 300 yards.
14:15Right. Like, it's not flashy. He just processes so well and he sees the field so well.
14:21And if there is space available to him, he will eat it up and he sees it, you know, a half second quicker than anybody else does.
14:29He does that. He does that dumb ball fake thing like 10 yards downfield that nobody should fall for and everybody falls for.
14:36And that gets him another five yards. Like, he's just he's, you know, crafty is is sort of damning with faint praise, but he's super crafty.
14:43And I got to believe that some of that will still be there.
14:47And if it's not 300 yards, fine. It's still 250.
14:50I can't believe that once Patrick Mahomes is like in a in a live fire environment playing ball, he's that's not going to go away.
14:58Yeah. Johnny Dangerly saying Pat Mahomes is now in the Tom Brady phase of his career.
15:03Good for football. Not so good for fantasy. Like, wow.
15:06First off, Tom Brady was good for fantasy for a long, long time.
15:10You know, well into his 40s. Number two is is like I'm not even I don't I don't agree with that at all.
15:16Johnny Dangerly. Um, uh, respectfully, I know that's your God given name.
15:20I am a QB. I'm a QB 14. So I'm right there in lockstep with you is ADP is QB 14.
15:26So I basically have him as a high end QB two low end QB one in a deeper league.
15:32I'd be okay with him as my starting quarterback.
15:35Um, especially because I feel like I'm getting him late.
15:38Um, and in a, in a 12 team or a 10 team or like, I don't mind him as a backup with some upside.
15:45Look, 25% of his points last season came from the rushing.
15:48So that's the concern is can we get anything, but look six straight seasons, literally six straight seasons of ranking top three
15:55in the NFL and past attempts per game. So if we get anything from the rushing and we don't need a lot
16:02to your point, can we get 150 yards? Can we get 200 yards?
16:05Can we get 250? That'll be enough. Um, as somebody else in the comments said, like my home's going scorched earth.
16:12I do think that the narrative and the drumbeat is so loud about like he's done and Denver won the division and here come the chargers.
16:20And, you know, no one's talking about Patrick and Brittany anymore.
16:23It's all about Justin, Justin Herbert and Madison beer.
16:26So I, I do, you know, uh, gun to my head.
16:29I would rather bet on Patrick Mahomes than get bet against him, but I have him at QB 14.
16:35So I think in a deeper league, or if you wait on quarterback, I'm okay with them as your starting quarterback.
16:41Heck, as long as you grab someone else later in case the wheels come off a little bit.
16:46Um, but, uh, but yeah, I don't think he is, I think he will, he'll not be Patrick Mahomes in all capital
16:53letters the way we've seen before, because again, so much of his 25% of his fantasy points last year came from rushing.
17:00Speaking of rushing another guy that's hard to rank this year.
17:03And he is Devon H. Chan, who we love.
17:06Uh, we love Devon H. Chan. Uh, this is somebody who is ranked top five and running, uh, among running backs and
17:12fantasy points per touch every season of his career.
17:15Uh, we know, we know the explosiveness. We know the pass catching ability.
17:19We know the role, you know, there's jokes about like, he's going to touch the ball 40 times a game.
17:25Like that's coming from the head coach, but with Malik Wilson under center, we're not sure if he's going to catch a
17:31lot of passes and the dolphins might be terrible.
17:34So what say you on Devon H. Chan, Mr.
17:37Barron's? Yeah. A lot of the names we're going to talk about today are either.
17:41I like the player. Don't know about the team or I like the situation.
17:46Don't know about the player. Uh, and he is very much in the category of, uh, I love him.
17:51Like, I think he's a, I think he's a legitimate outlier as a player.
17:55Um, we've already seen him do some things at his size that you would just not expect any NFL running back to be able to pull off.
18:04Um, and if I'm, you know, if I'm going to take a big swing and miss at the top of a draft,
18:10it's going to be on a player who I know to be great.
18:14And, and that is HN. Um, he's just, obviously he's outrageously efficient, explosive gifted receiver, kind of a cheat code.
18:20Cause they've given him all those, you know, they've given him all those like extended handoffs where he just sort of drifts out into the flat.
18:28And sometimes it's a handoff, sometimes it's a catch, uh, depending on the actual vector of the ball.
18:33Um, I mean, he's just great though. When you get him in space, he's great when he's not in space.
18:39Um, thrilling runner. The, you know, I don't, I'm not the guy who like reads a lot into, into preseason play either,
18:46but they did give him a goal line touchdown and like the one drive that he played in, in his first preseason appearance.
18:53And so I think he's going to be active at the goal line too.
18:57And all we really need is for the dolphins to be a normal kind of bad, as long as they're not like
19:04disaster bad, like they can be a bottom third of the league offense and HN can be great.
19:09So I've, I will say he's difficult for me to rank in that.
19:13I have flipped him around in that hole. There's that collection.
19:16I guess it's a tier of running backs that involves chase Brown and it's Kenneth Walker and Henry's in there and maybe Saquon's in there for you.
19:24Yep. I just think HN is, is better than, than most of those players and a, and an actual, just an actual freak among us.
19:32And if, if I'm going to miss in the second round on a player, again, I want it to be somebody who is just verifiably great.
19:40And that's him. Draft Eddie says HN pronounced bootay.
19:42It's good. It's a long running joke in the, in, uh, with the regulars just about like, you know, we don't know
19:49how to pronounce Travis ETN's last name and it's always changing.
19:52And, but Trevor ETN, his brother is keeping it the same.
19:56And he, TN is pronounced HN, which no one makes sense.
19:59And you know, HN is pronounced HN as the IR regular says.
20:03Um, here's what I would say about, so I, I'm just out on Devon HN this year.
20:08I agree with everything you said and that I think he is an elite player.
20:12Um, and I think he's going to get a massive workload.
20:15I just, the way I say I'm out is that I'm at running back 11, right?
20:20I'm at 17 overall running back 11 is ADP is running back seven.
20:24His ADP is 14 overall. So it just, I have been in dynasty.
20:28So I would love to be wrong on HN, but in redraft, I just have no shares of him this year because
20:35I am much higher on chase Brown and Ken Walker.
20:38Those are two guys that I have a lot of when you talk about that specific tier, um, as well.
20:44For me, the concern is so much of what his production has been over the last couple of years has been the passing game involvement.
20:51It's just been the passing game involvement. And in three starts with green Bay, Malik Willis saw 20% of his team's rushing
20:58attempts, 42% of his team's red zone attempts and has only thrown.
21:01This is an unbelievable stat Malik Willis over the last two seasons has thrown 89 passes, right?
21:0789 passes over the last two years. Nine of them have gone to running backs nine, you know, basically 10%, nine of
21:1389 pass attempts have gone to running backs. He's just not a guy that dumps off that much.
21:19And now maybe because he's looking around and I'm like, I got Malik Washington, Caleb Douglas, or here's a guy who's really good.
21:26Maybe they change it and maybe they start, you know, to your point, getting A-Chan out into the flat and try to
21:32get him the ball a bunch of different ways because he's their best player.
21:36But my concern is, is that when protection breaks down, that Willis is much more likely to just duck it and run
21:43as opposed to what Tua did, which was to quickly dump off to Devon A-Chan.
21:47So I am, you know, I am as a low end RB1 or running back 11.
21:52I just, again, I feel safer about Chase Brown, Ken Walker, Saquon, all of whom I have ranked higher, all of whom
21:59I think are similar talents to A-Chan, just in much better situations.
22:03But I agree with your overall premise. Again, my ranking, you know, I probably won't have a lot of them, but I'll
22:09just say this, Andy, I agree with your overall premise that he's an elite player and that if the Dolphins are just
22:16normal bad and not horrifically incompetent, he's going to be just fine.
22:19Because maybe he won't be as efficient, but the workload will be there.
22:23And, you know, hopefully, you know, we see him at the goal line and not Ollie Gordon or whatever.
22:29It's such a good point. It's such a good point on Willis, I'll just say, because this is one thing that we
22:36commonly see with the heavy volume rushing quarterbacks is they, you know, they look at a situation.
22:41It's, you know, it's true of Jalen Hurts in Philadelphia.
22:44It's true with nearly all of them. They just look at a situation and say, well, I'll just go get those six yards.
22:51I don't need to dump it off to you.
22:53Yeah. I mean, think about Lamar, right? I mean, like, you know, I mean, it's, you know, for years we wanted Justice
23:00Hill to be a thing and it just, you know, or Keaton Mitchell just never, never did.
23:05SEC Man 01 says, I think there's a chance that Dolphins wide receivers might outperform expectations.
23:10I think that's a good call, SEC Man. I will say this.
23:13I don't think the, just to your point, Andy, I don't think the Dolphins offense is going to be horrific.
23:19I don't think it's going to be good. But like, I don't think it's going to be like early Raiders last season levels of incompetence.
23:27Like, I do think Malik, Malik Wills will be able to move the ball.
23:31Now, maybe it all, it's only going to be with his legs, but the Dolphins, I think, will be able to move the ball somewhat.
23:39And I have a, again, I'm in a bunch of deep leagues.
23:42I'm doing a bunch of guillotine leagues. You know, we have the 18 team, guillotineleague.com.
23:47Unbelievable. It's free. Please check it out. But I have a lot of Caleb Douglas this year just because I play in
23:53barely deep leagues and I just, like, late in those drafts, I'm like, well, you know, whatever.
23:59It's the 12th round, 13th round. Here's a guy that has a chance to be a number one wide receiver on an NFL offense, right?
24:06So, you know, we'll see. We had Dwayne McFarlane, who does such a great job for us over at fantasylife.com, and he,
24:13you know, he looks at all the utilization. And he's just like, you know, again, small sample size is the preseason.
24:19But Caleb Douglas' utilization so far has been really, really exciting.
24:22Now, Chris Bell's going to play this upcoming weekend, which is, I think, good.
24:26I think we'll get to see him. But still, I think there's a better than average chance Caleb Douglas is fantasy viable this year.
24:34Oh, I think that's a great call. And he's another one of those guys who almost makes me feel like maybe I
24:40shouldn't watch so much preseason football because the first catch he made was crazy.
24:45The one-handed catch. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And granted, like, he had a previous attempt where he stepped out of bounds early and it became an incompletion.
24:52But my goodness, like, you can watch a couple of minutes of preseason football and squint a little bit and Caleb Douglas looks like a star.
25:00Yeah. That's what I like to do. I just like to watch a couple of minutes and squint and then you look like a star.
25:08When I show private videos to my wife of us in action, it's just usually it's cut-ups like that.
25:13It's just a couple of minutes. I look like a star.
25:17You know, if you watch the whole version, it'd be awful.
25:20But, you know, like you can, with the right lighting angles and just a couple of key plays, you're like, oh, all right.
25:27Good sizzle reel. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, just a hot sizzle reel.
25:30Hey, I want to go over to Green Bay right now, Andy, and let's talk about Josh Jacobs, who has been one
25:37of my former ride or dies, who's been a fantasy stalwart for so long.
25:41But there's a lot of uncertainty there in terms of usage, in terms of health, in terms of off the field.
25:48What are we doing with Josh Jacobs this year?
25:50Toughest player on the board. I don't like, I think he's a tier of one player in terms of being difficult to
25:57rank because he's just a great runner in an excellent situation.
26:00He has been one of my favorite backs to watch for a long time.
26:04He's not, you know, he's a power back who is crazy elusive behind the line of scrimmage.
26:10But I mean, we have a level of suspension risk that is hanging over his season.
26:14And until I hear one of our very plugged in national reporters tell me like in a declarative way, nope, suspension off the table this year.
26:22I just have to have this weird, hedgy, fearful rank that is almost certainly not going to be correct, right?
26:28I've got him, it's like, it's still, we're getting pretty late in the game and I still feel like I have a
26:35placeholder rank on him of RB 16. You know, I got him, I got him in one league where the bidding just kind of stopped.
26:42And I feel fine about that. Your, your upside here is that he delivers first round value.
26:47He's that good. Like he could, this guy over a full season could score 16 touchdowns and gain 1500 scrimmage yards.
26:54Yeah. Go ahead. No, I was just going to say, since he joined Green Bay, Andy, to your point, no running back
27:00has more goal to go rushing attempts than Josh Jacobs, not Derek Henry.
27:04No one since Jacobs with the Green Bay, no one has more goal to go rushing attempts.
27:09He's also top five in red zone touches, 18 touches per season, every season of his career.
27:14That's what he averages. So just a massive workload here.
27:17But to your point, there's concerns about the off the field stuff.
27:21He's missed multiple games in three of the five seasons.
27:24Last year, 56%, a career low, 56% of the Packers overall team rush attempts.
27:28And we keep hearing all this Marshawn Lloyd buzz.
27:31And so in a world where I don't think Marshawn Lloyd necessarily has standalone value in a world where Josh Jacobs is healthy and playing.
27:39But is there enough confidence in Marshawn Lloyd, enough talent there that they say like, hey, you know, the Packers legitimately have Super Bowl aspirations.
27:46They feel like they can go deep into the playoffs.
27:49And so does the workload for Jacobs come down a little bit just because they want to save the wear and tear?
27:56He's a veteran player who's had a lot of work over the years.
28:00And so you're more bullish on him than I am.
28:03I'm at running back 18, 42 overall. His ADP is 36.
28:06He's running back 17. So I am lower than him on.
28:09I am lower on him in market just because of all the things I'm concerned about.
28:14Like even in a world where there's no suspension, just like, does he get the workload that he got?
28:20Because man, oh man, I keep hearing this Marshawn Lloyd drumbeat.
28:23It seems like everyone's excited about that kid. There might be a little bit of wish casting with Marshawn Lloyd because we've
28:30been waiting for it for so long. For years, years, years, for sure.
28:34And Medici says, I'll just say, Medici, one of the regulars here says, in the words of Jay Croucher, I'd rather be
28:40out a year early than a year late. Thanks, but no thanks on Josh Jacob.
28:45That's Jonathan Medici weighing in on Jacobs. And I think I'm sort of there, Medici.
28:49Again, I'm lower on him than market. Sounds like you're basically at market on him.
28:54But right. I agree with you that neither of our rankings are going to be correct.
28:58We're either going to be wildly wrong or wildly like either we're going to be wildly wrong.
29:04I just don't know. Are we going to be wildly wrong in the positive or the negative?
29:09Because he could easily finish as like a top eight fantasy running back.
29:13He could also be like 36th. And I'm hedging that I'm closer to.
29:17I'm hedging. I have them lower in market because I just, you know, there are running backs I prefer more in that range just because of the.
29:25I think there's. I'll put it this way. I think there's a better chance at downside with Jacobs than there is with upside.
29:32Does that make any sense? That might be right.
29:34That I also feel like Green Bay season basically fell apart last year when he was not healthy at the end of the year.
29:41So I think that demonstrated his value just as a as a closer for that team.
29:46I'd be I'd be surprised if anybody on that roster really claims a sizable share of the workload.
29:52But again, so much of this comes down to is he going to get hit with a six game suspension at some point?
29:59Because that's where, you know, he can he can either be the RB five or he can be the RB 45.
30:05But he's almost certainly not going to be the RB 16 where I've plopped him down.
30:10Yeah, exactly. Another guy that's so hard to rank.
30:12And so I've said where I am. I'm I'm I'm below market on him, especially in the overall.
30:18Like, again, I'm 18 running back 18. He's going is running back 17, but he's going 36.
30:23I'm at 42. So I'm like six, seven spots beyond, you know, lower than market in the overall.
30:28I just I prefer to go more running back heavy up top and like around the range where Jacobs is going.
30:35I'm looking, you know, probably for like, you know, hopefully I can get like Loveland or Warren there or, you know.
30:41Number two wide receiver there and there. Speaking of number two wide receivers, how about Garrett Wilson?
30:46Andy, so he's a jet, which automatically makes him hard to rank.
30:50Hope springs eternal that the Jets offense is good this year.
30:53Where are you on Mr. Wilson? Yeah. Now we're now we're in the range of love the player.
30:58Not so sure about the team, right? Like that's very much the Jets.
31:02That's the kindest thing anyone's ever said about the Jets.
31:05Not so sure. That's totally right. I'm, you know, like I'm willing to believe the Jets offense and Geno Smith can support a single viable fantasy receiver.
31:13I'm not I'm not willing to go down the board.
31:16I'm not interested in Mitchell. I'm not interested in the rookies.
31:20I mean, there's just no question that Garrett Wilson would be that one guy who can who can stand out now like
31:26you're competing with Brees Hall, maybe to score the Jets lone offensive touchdown each week.
31:31That is a that is definitely a concern. I just I really enjoy watching Garrett Wilson.
31:36I think he's such a technician. I think he's one of the smoothest players in the league.
31:41I have nothing bad to say, except he's he's playing for a probably doomed team, which makes him a wide receiver, too.
31:47I've got him at I've got him at wide receiver 20.
31:51Maybe that's bullish. I'm not even sure where ADP is.
31:54I think he's a much better player than that.
31:56Like if I'm just straight up ranking all of the receivers in the league, he's he's probably at the at the back
32:03end of the top 12 for me. I certainly think that another 160 target season is possible.
32:08170 targets, I think I think a thousand yards is probably something you can lock in.
32:13It's actually I was just looking at Vegas totals for for receiving and his total is like nine ninety nine and a half.
32:20So that's that's pretty bullish. That's you know, we don't see a lot of guys who who approach a thousand yards.
32:26I mean, he's not good. He's that talented. He's that unstoppable.
32:29He he may be the only guy who pops in New York, though.
32:33Yeah, I mean, look, so I haven't wide receiver 19.
32:36And that is right where he's going in ADP.
32:39So you haven't wide receiver 20. He's going at 19.
32:42I'm right there at 19. I'm 40 overall. He's going at 42 overall.
32:46So I'm right, right at market there. I think the market is right on this.
32:51This is somebody who, again, has never finished higher than wide receiver 19 in any season that he's played eight or more
32:57games on a points for game basis. He's never been better than wide receiver 19.
33:02And so you're like, well, he hasn't really ever played with any good quarterbacks.
33:06And the question is, is he going to play with one this year?
33:10Like we think Gino will be all right. We think we're getting Seattle Gino and we're washing away last year because Vegas was such a disaster.
33:18But maybe not. You know what I mean? And, you know, and we're also banking a lot on Frank Reich who, you
33:24know, didn't go well from in Carolina. It's been a while since we've seen like a good Frank Reich offense.
33:30And how much of that was, you know, talent that he had versus, you know, just might have the game might have, quote, passed him by.
33:38Aloha Bricks says Garrett Wilson or DK Metcalf. Not talent wise, but overall production wise full PPR.
33:43It's Garrett Wilson to me and it's not particularly close in this one.
33:47Aloha Bricks. I mean, I'm so out on DK Metcalf.
33:50I mean, he's a deep threat on a team that won't throw deep.
33:54Aaron Rodgers is like Mr. Low A dot. And now he's got Michael Pittman there and he's got two running backs that
34:01can get to the ball and two tight ends that are going to be involved.
34:05And I actually like Jeremy Bernard in like in deeper leagues, you know, out of the slot.
34:10So no on DK Metcalf. But back to Garrett Wilson in his healthy games last year, 34 percent target share, 48 percent of the team's air yards.
34:18And so the hope here is, is that Garrett Wilson has been able to produce top 20 ish numbers with a plethora
34:25of quarterbacks who can't be any worse than Geno Smith.
34:28I mean, you know, like you have to feel like Geno has got to be at least Mendoza line level with all
34:35the guys Garrett Wilson's played with before. So and hopefully with, you know, who I have a lot of is we're talking
34:41about like I have a lot of Caleb Douglas.
34:44You know, I have a lot of which is so but I have a lot of Adonai Mitchell.
34:49I have a lot of A.D. Mitchell. Connor Rogers, my my my friend Connor Rogers on the show last year.
34:55He was here earlier in the season and he you know, he covers the Jets for S&Y, does a great job, hosts a Jets podcast.
35:03He's all in. And he was at Jets camp who said like Mitchell is catching a lot.
35:08And the drumbeat from from the beats out of the Jets camp is like, sorry, Omar Cooper.
35:13But like, I think the Mitchell is going to be the number two opposite Wilson.
35:18You know, again, this is a guy that was a number two.
35:21You know, he was a second round draft pick out of Texas.
35:25A lot of people liked Mitchell and just for whatever reason just didn't work out in Indianapolis.
35:30I think that, you know, the the drop at the goal line, you know, just messed with him a little bit.
35:36And and so we had Scott Turner on the show as well, who, you know, saying his praises.
35:42Again, Scott Turner was the passing game coordinator for the for the Jets last year and saw him every day in practice
35:48was like he is a full grown NFL wide receiver, like elite talent.
35:52So Mitchell Mitchell was one of the buzziest players in camp last year to in Indianapolis.
35:57Right. Like, I still remember writing blurbs about how Mitchell was carving up the Ravens in joint practices.
36:02Like he's he's certainly a talented player. There's no question about that.
36:06And then and then to your point about Geno Smith, I I think that Geno might be exactly the right kind of
36:13sketchy quarterback to continue to provide fantasy value. Because his it's not that he like he'll go he'll go 20 dropbacks in
36:19a row and it looks normal and pretty good.
36:22And then he'll throw one of the most horrendous interceptions that you've ever seen.
36:26But it's not like the play to play experience of watching Geno is not actually terrible.
36:31No, and he doesn't care. Like he'll he'll, you know, he'll take a shot and like he'll be one of those guys.
36:37It's like Garrett's down there somewhere. You know, he'll he'll force it.
36:41He doesn't mind forcing the ball. Producer Damien telling me I'm talking too much.
36:45I apologize. So we'll try to go a little bit quicker here as Dr.
36:49Deoxide says, hey, now Geno Smith is the best Jets quarterback since they drafted Geno Smith.
36:54You might be right, Dr. Deoxide. He's not wrong.
36:57By the way, he is a true doctor. I don't think you can just come up.
37:02You just can't call yourself a doctor online unless you have a medical degree.
37:06I'm I'm almost positive of that. So good to have you in the chat, Dr.
37:11Deoxide. What about DJ Moore? Speaking of wide receivers who, you know, curious where you are on DJ Moore, who all the
37:17metrics from last year for your Bears were not good.
37:20But now he goes to a situation with Josh Allen where he's going to be the number one.
37:26You know, was it a was a was last year a result of, you know, just getting older and has hit the
37:32wall a little bit or just, hey, increased target competition, maybe not a fit with Ben Johnson's offense.
37:38Caleb still had some speed bumps there. Where are you on DJ Moore now with the Buffalo Bills?
37:43Yeah, I've actually I've got him at wide receiver 22.
37:46He did still have the juice necessary last season to produce some of the biggest plays in recent Bears history.
37:52Right. Like even even as the targets dipped and his usage just got weird.
37:56And I think some of that was the rise of Luther Burden and Roman Dunsay in the first half of the season
38:03before the injury was just such a great player.
38:06But like they ran so many, you know, sweeps and screens to DJ Moore that would get him blown up about half the time.
38:13And it's just I don't know. It's not necessarily the way that I think DJ Moore should be used.
38:18But also he he just may not have been a fit for for Ben Johnson because there is an improvisational streak to DJ Moore.
38:26And there's a little bit of freelancing that goes on with DJ Moore and with a with a coach who demands precision.
38:32Maybe maybe that's not perfect. Obviously, you know, Joe Brady knows what what he's getting in DJ Moore.
38:38There's a Carolina connection there. Josh Allen has a has an improvisational streak of his own.
38:42So they might pair well together. And we're talking about we're talking about a team that, you know, some of the some
38:49of the biggest throws in Buffalo's season last year went to went to Brandon Cooks.
38:54Like, do I think the current version of DJ Moore is a massive upgrade over the current version of Brandon Cooks?
39:00I do. I think he's I think he's just in a great spot.
39:04I think Moore might be the last name on the list of wide receiver ones who can plausibly be the best receiver on a really good team.
39:12But I do still think he's he's got that much juice.
39:15Yeah, you're you're more bullish on him than I you.
39:18I'm at wide receiver 22. I'm at 29. I think my concern is is sort of what Brandon Garrett just said, which
39:25is, you know, Josh Allen just spreads the ball around so much.
39:28Khalil Shakir was the only wide receiver for the Bills last year to get 60 or more to get 60 targets.
39:35And he's the only one. Um, and, uh, so now is that a result because it's Keon Coleman and Brandon Cooks and
39:41he just there's no one else that earns targets or is it also just again, I think there'll be run heavy between James Cook and Josh Allen.
39:50I think you'll, you'll see a healthy Kincaid get more of a target share.
39:54I think you'll get, um, you'll see, uh, whatever.
39:56They'll still throw some stuff to can Coleman, Khalil Shakir in the middle of the field.
40:01So I think that DJ Moore, a great addition for Josh Allen.
40:05I think he's a great addition for the Bills from an NFL standpoint.
40:09But fantasy wise, I'm at 63 overall. His ADP is 55.
40:12So I'm out on DJ Moore because I just think it'll be inconsistent in Buffalo given how much they spread the ball and how much they run.
40:20It's hard for me to see him having a big touchdown season again as well with, you know, especially with Dawson Knox
40:27there, they, they like to go with 12 and personnel a decent amount.
40:31All right. I think it kind of comes down to like, is he closer to what Steph digs was back in the day?
40:38Or is he just closer in talent level to Khalil Shakir?
40:41In which case that's absolutely right. He's just going to be one of many.
40:45Yeah. So we will, we will find out you're in on him.
40:49I'm somewhat out. I'm curious where you are though.
40:51We got about 12 minutes left here. We got three guys to go.
40:55So we'll do four minutes each. But how about Brian Thomas Jr.?
40:59Andy, obviously an incredible rookie season last year. Not so much.
41:02We like the offense, but he's also a crowded wide receiver room.
41:06Your thoughts on BTJ? Yeah. I think all of the reporting about Thomas functioning as purely the X, a perimeter receiver, a
41:12vertical threat that feels right to me. Like Jacksonville definitely tried to make him an all areas of the field guy last year.
41:19And it just, it just went horribly. Um, the, I thought the Cincinnati game last year is just absolutely one of the
41:26worst that you will ever see from a receiver that we drafted in the first or second round.
41:31It was, it was horrendous. Um, so I'm, yeah, I'm viewing Thomas as someone tied to a great offense, big play upside.
41:38No question about that. And he has it against any defense.
41:41He's valuable. I just expect inconsistency in spike weeks.
41:44And I don't think we're going to see all those 12 target games.
41:48He's, he's behind Parker Washington for me. I've got Washington at 30 and Thomas at 37.
41:53Yeah. I'm, I'm a little bit more. I mean, I, I agree with you in terms of the pecking order.
41:59Parker Washington is my number one, uh, Jaguars wide receiver.
42:02I have Brian Thomas jr. At wide receiver 32, you know, I mean, I have to feel like he's going to be better than he was last year.
42:10And that may be with less attention because of Jacoby Myers, because of Parker Washington, that may be less attention.
42:16It's focused on Brian Thomas jr. Whereas, you know, after his rookie year, again, obviously not a great scheme fit for Liam Cohn initially.
42:23And they, yes, they just, he was running nothing but go routes.
42:27So I get it there, but, um, uh, I prefer him in best ball, you know, cause I agree with you.
42:33But, uh, but I feel like with the news that, Hey, sounds like Travis Hunter is going to be playing primarily defense.
42:40Then, you know, here's a guy that even if you say he's the third wide receiver, we think this is going to
42:47be one of the more pass happy. One of the better offenses in the NFL.
42:51Wolfman John says, give me BTJ big play wide receiver who had a great rookie wide receiver on a top 10 offense, especially based on his ADP.
42:59I got him as a top 25 wide receiver.
43:02Wolf John, I don't know about that, but again, his ADP is, is 79.
43:06I have it 67. So the argument is, is that he's, he's basically going around pick 80.
43:11And so I would argue that that uncertainty is baked into the, is it baked into his ADP.
43:17And so, you know, if he returned, you know, he's, this is a guy that was being drafted as a top 12 wide receiver last year.
43:24If Brian Thomas Jr. Can get anywhere close to that massive profit on ADP.
43:29And if he's not, if he is just continues to be like the disaster that he was last year, well, all right,
43:35well then it costs you an eighth round pick a seventh or eighth round pick.
43:40And you can, you can live with that. And so just the upside there, I think for me on BTJ, again, you and I are agreement.
43:48If I have to pick one, give me Parker Washington, but I'm not fully out on BTJ as a wide receiver four
43:54with some upside when you're doing drafts. All right.
43:57Speaking of wide receivers that came into league with a kind of a lot of fanfare, but have disappointed Marvin Harrison Jr.
44:03You know, first quarterback, first wide receiver drafted, supposed to be the chosen one.
44:08Can't miss prospect drafted ahead of in the NFL, drafted ahead of Malik neighbors, drafted ahead of Brian Thomas Jr.
44:14And when he was out there last year, he was clearly better than Michael Wilson.
44:18And yet it just, it just hasn't happened. I had the number one pick in a dynasty league the year he came
44:25out and I picked Marvin Harrison Jr. And today I regret it.
44:28Mr. Barron's, I regret it. Could I have any?
44:31I mean, we all took Harrison, right? Yeah. Yeah.
44:34This, this honestly, I think this is where we have the greatest disconnect between like the fantasy community's sense of a player
44:40and the team's sense of a player. Like for us, you, me, people, people in and around fantasy.
44:46It just remains a crisis that Harrison has not become a superstar, like a generational receiver.
44:51Like we fully expect that the Cardinals are holding daily meetings of the Harrison committee.
44:55How do we get this guy to a hundred targets or how do we get this guy to a hundred catches and 180 targets, whatever.
45:03But like from Arizona's perspective, I just kind of think they have a really nice complimentary set of skill players.
45:09And I think Trey McBride and Jeremiah Love are going to be the engines of that offense.
45:14Like McBride is coming off two of the greatest receiving seasons in the history of his position.
45:19And I feel like Harrison slots in behind him, Michael Wilson coming off a third year breakout.
45:24And like, we may get that out of, out of Harrison.
45:27I just think that the most likely scenario for Harrison is something like 65 catches, 800, 850 yards, something like that.
45:34Like you got to be happy with that. I think that's, I think that's kind of where he's settled in.
45:40I might be wrong. If he's a huge success story, it's like, it's not going to be on one of my rosters.
45:46I've got him at wide receiver 39. Yeah. I mean, I'm, I'm, I'm closer to you.
45:51I'm at wide receiver 36, but I have him at 76 overall.
45:55It's basically where he's going, but he's going as wide receiver 32.
45:58I don't have a ton other than the dynasty league where I'm stuck with him.
46:03I don't have a ton of Marvin Harrison this year.
46:06I mean, uh, since he's entered the NFL among qualified wide receivers, he's wide receiver 37 and points per game.
46:12He's been under, he's been single digit fantasy points in 52% of his games.
46:16Think about that. Over half of Marvin Harrison's NFL games.
46:19He has been single digit fantasy points. Um, and averages 11 fantasy points per game for his career, wide receiver 37 and points per game.
46:27He's 38th in receiving yards per game to your point under 65 receiving yards in 72% of his games.
46:32So he is, he's weirdly touchdown dependent. Right. And you know, 29 career games, he's got 31 end zone targets.
46:38So he is somebody that they do look for in the end zone.
46:42But to your point, like the dam is sort of burst with Trey McBride.
46:46Now it's an end zone target. The emergence of, uh, of Michael Wilson last year.
46:51And oh, by the way, you know, we'll see with the health, but it looks like Jeremiah loves in for a big workload immediately.
46:58Like you use the third overall pick on somebody.
47:01You're like, this guy's getting the rock. And so I don't say it's, I don't say it's likely, but the fact Andy,
47:07that it's within the very real realm of possibilities.
47:10It's very much within the, um, range of outcomes that Marvin Harrison is the fourth best fantasy pass catcher on the Cardinals
47:17that he's behind McBride, that he's behind Jeremiah love.
47:19And that he's behind, um, Michael Wilson like that.
47:22I mean, like, I'm not saying that's likely I I I'm ranked ahead of Wilson, you know, and everything like that, and obviously loves a running back.
47:30So, but that's, that's not without the range of outcomes.
47:33And so without, there's just, there's just too much uncertainty for me.
47:37So, um, we just, we don't know. Also like you and I do come from a time when we used to expect
47:44receivers to break out in their third year, right?
47:46Like he is, he is allowed to improve that's, that's in the range of outcomes too.
47:51And I don't want to completely dismiss the idea that maybe it's just all clicks from Marvin Harrison and we see the coaching staff Ohio state.
47:59Yep. Right. New coaching staff again. I mean, new coaching staff, um, that hopefully they can unlock and oh, by the way,
48:05maybe with a new coaching staff and Jeremiah love in town and the emergence of Wilson McBride has become a star.
48:12You know, he came into the league with like, oh, you're Marvin Harrison's kid.
48:16You're here to save our franchise. You know, this is guy who was drafted.
48:20What was he drafted? Like fifth or sixth overall or whatever it was like he was drafted very high.
48:26Um, and so now it's just like, okay, well we've got, um, you know, now we've got Jeremiah love.
48:32We've got a new coach. There's a lot of shiny objects that maybe take some pressure off of MHJ.
48:37So we'll see as exhausted Texans fans says chatty Maddie drinking Pinot again.
48:41Yeah. Listen, listen, brother, you tuned into the Matthew Barry show over here.
48:45You're damn right. I'm chatty course. And I always drink in Pinot.
48:49I, uh, Andy is as regulars at the fantasy football, happy hour bar.
48:53No, um, I love me some Pinot. I don't know what it is, but Pinot Grigio messes me up.
48:58Like I can drink tequila. I can drink vodka.
49:01I can drink. I'm impervious to beer. I'm impervious to beer, but you give me like three glasses of Pinot Grigio and
49:08I'm like, woo hoo, woo hoo, woo hoo. Like, you know, I like to be a classy wine guy at the, at the bar.
49:15I'll, I'll, I'll have a, I'll have a mall back or two.
49:18Sure. Yeah, exactly. I extend my pinky and everything like that.
49:22Uh, all right. Um, let's see. Uh, okay. We got one last guy here and we already brought him up.
49:28I want to get into Dalton Kincaid. So we're going back to the bills.
49:32Um, and I'm curious where you have Dalton Kincaid who we all love his talent.
49:37Health has been an issue for Kincaid since he came to Buffalo.
49:40Tight end feels like after the, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm assuming you are as well.
49:45I think Colson Loveland's in for a monster year.
49:47I'm at three. I assume you have been at three after the big two, um, and I'm in on Warren.
49:53I like Tucker craft at five, but it feels like after honestly, after Warren, because, you know, we'll see how healthy craft is now that he comes back.
50:02But after Warren at five, a four, there's a little bit of a crap shoot there with, with tight ends and, you
50:08know, anywhere from five to 12, they're all, they all have talent and upside.
50:13They all have some flaws. And I think Kincaid is in that range.
50:17I, I will say I, I am partial to the tight ends who don't come off the field.
50:22Right. And that seems like a silly and obvious thing to say, but like Fannin's in that group, Laporte is in that
50:29group when healthy, um, craft when healthy, definitely in that group.
50:32I like those guys. And the thing about the thing about Kincaid, even when healthy last year, didn't play more than 55% of the snaps in any game.
50:40And some of that is just, he's not, he's not built for all the dirty work tight end stuff, right?
50:46Like he's, he's on the smaller side for the position.
50:49So we're not, we're not asking Dalton Kincaid to play in line a bunch.
50:53And you know, you can argue that we like that for fantasy.
50:57We want to, we want a guy who's called the tight end, but really he's just a slot receiver or he's out wide.
51:04I get that. But as a result, you know, he's not always on the field when, when they're at the goal line,
51:11like, like Dawson Knox saw five targets inside the five yard line last year.
51:15Kincaid saw one. And if you're coming off the field when we're in goal to go situations and when we're in red
51:21zone situations, it's, it's, that's not how tight ends normally make a living for, for fantasy managers, right?
51:27Like we, we want the guy who's, we want the guy who's going to be out there and gets a, gets a
51:33real shot at like eight, nine, 10 touchdowns. Even if it's a, even if it's a situation where we'd say you're never going to get that again.
51:42You know, that that's, that's who ends up being like the tight end six, tight end seven in a given year.
51:48And I don't know that that's Kincaid's profile. He's going as tight in 12 though.
51:52I like him. I mean, he's going at, you know, 112 overall.
51:56And so I think, I think healthier here. I want to, I want pieces of the bill's offense here.
52:02This is a guy who last year was targeted on over 24% of his routes.
52:06That was third highest of the position. So I think it's just, I agree with you.
52:11He doesn't play a full compliment of snaps, but when he's out there, he's, he's one of the guys that target.
52:17And I'm hoping that DJ Moore being out there takes some defensive attention away.
52:22And so again, I think it's a low end tight end one.
52:25I like Kincaid. I've been a big proponent of, like I have a ton of Colston Loveland this year and Tyler Warren.
52:32So I've been a big proponent of sort of tight end early this year.
52:36But if I miss out, he's among my favorites.
52:39Like once you get outside the top 10, again, I'm a tight end 11.
52:43He's going as tight end 12 and ADP. So I like the potential upside there, Andy.
52:48So anyway, Hey, listen, that is our show. I want everyone to go check out Andy at the deepshot.com, right?
52:54The deepshot.com. That's it. Sign up for your newsletter at the athletic, your weekly newsletter that you're doing and follow you on
53:00social media, especially on X at Andy Barron. It's good to see you, my friend.
53:05People don't realize this, but you and I started both at Talents of Mr.
53:09Roto back in the day. Yep. So it's a, it's a pleasure to do this show.
53:14It's a pleasure to talk to you. It was great catching up.
53:17It's awesome. You are, you are one of the all time best.
53:21So I have a big announcement Thursday and Friday with back to back Thursday and Friday love hate days, Andy.
53:27So love hate will be out on fantasylife.com on Thursday, my big preseason.
53:31And it's, we're, we're dividing the show up into two days on Thursday and Friday.
53:35So we'll check that out. But it is closing time, Andy, which means you do not have to go home, but you can't stay here.
53:43We're back tomorrow. We'll see you all then. Peace out.