The FF Dynasty - 2nd Year Breakouts Set To Skyrocket In Value
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55 min
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Jul 22, 2026
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Wed, July 22, 2026
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AJ BarnerCam WardColston LovelandDylan SampsonElijah ArroyoHarold FanninIsaac TeSlaaJarquez HunterKyle WilliamsMason TaylorTory HortonTyler WarrenCaleb WilliamsCalvin Ridley
Player analysis
Player insights
AJ Barner
PositiveRole45:45
AJ Barner is highlighted for his athleticism in Tier 6; the source indicates he has the physical tools to show flex viability but needs offensive opportunity to break through.
Insight pagePositiveRole45:54
Tier six prospect; athleticism is present for a Royal role, suggesting potential upside if opportunity arises.
Insight pageCaleb Williams
PositiveProjection23:00
The source argues there is solid evidence that Caleb Williams will be able to support multiple pass catchers at a high level, suggesting his development is the key unlock for Bears receivers and tight ends. The source emphasizes that if Caleb reaches the expected level, he can facilitate Luther Burks, Colston Loveland, and other pass catchers simultaneously.
Insight pageCalvin Ridley
NegativeRole45:00
Calvin Ridley's role and touch allocation in the offense is contingent on his health and availability; the source suggests his durability will influence whether other receivers like Tate Nauman or Wandale Robinson become the primary manufactured-touch targets.
Insight pageCam Ward
PositiveProjection18:00
Placed in tier two; the source notes that box score watchers will see improved passing yards, touchdown passes, and completion percentage next year, but those who watch film see a good football player; positioned for a jump in performance metrics.
Insight pageNegativeProjection28:33
The source places Ward in tier four, describing it as a 'prove it tier'; the source likes Ward a lot but ranks him lower, noting the tier is contingent on environment and the source has seen 'glimmers' of Ward being very good.
Insight pageColston Loveland
PositiveProjection4:00
Placed in tier one as a cornerstone tight end; the source notes it was hard to differentiate him from other top-tier tight ends after seeing them play football, despite ADP spread; ranked consistently in tier one across all three analysts' rankings.
Insight pageNegativeRole21:48
The source acknowledges Colston Loveland as part of Ben Johnson's potential offensive scheme alongside Luther Burks, but expresses uncertainty about whether Johnson will actually build the offense around these two players. The source notes that if Caleb Williams takes a step forward, Loveland could be facilitated at a fairly high level, but this remains contingent on quarterback development and scheme execution.
Insight pageCooper Kupp
NegativeRole50:34
Source the source mentions Cooper Kupp in context of wide receiver opportunity for Torrey Horton, suggesting Kupp's presence affects Horton's target share and opportunity.
Insight pageDylan Sampson
NegativeRole45:34
Dylan Sampson is classified in Tier 6 as a player with some ability to show flex viability but needs someone to get out of the way; the source indicates he has conditional upside dependent on offensive opportunity and role clarity.
Insight pageNegativeRole45:42
Tier six prospect with some flex viability; needs a depth chart opportunity to emerge.
Insight pageElijah Arroyo
PositiveBreakout45:45
Elijah Arroyo is noted as having a lot of hype surrounding him in Tier 6; the source indicates he has ability to show flex viability but needs someone to get out of the way to realize his potential.
Insight pagePositiveBreakout45:49
Tier six tight end prospect with a lot of hype surrounding him; positioned as a potential breakout candidate.
Insight pageEmeka Egbuka
PositiveBreakout6:00
Placed in tier two; the source is buying the hype that Egbuka could be next year's JSN; recent confirmation from Baker Mayfield's return to health and Mike Evans' departure suggests things are aligning for Egbuka; he was on pace for 1,400 yards before a hamstring injury cut his rookie season short.
Insight pageGunnar Helm
PositiveBreakout34:06
Gunnar Helm is ranked 20th in the source's tier-four second-year tight end breakouts. The source positions him as a player with clear talent and opportunity to expand his role, noting that coaches and scouts are discussing his breakout potential this year.
Insight pageGunner Olszewski
NegativeProjection31:32
Olszewski is placed in tier four of the source's tight end rankings; the source notes he was difficult to place, feeling too high or too low in every tier considered.
Insight pageHarold Fannin
PositiveProjection7:00
Placed in tier two; the source describes him as a beast and notes he put up 700 yards as a rookie; only nine tight ends since 2000 have gone over 650 yards, and Fannin is one of them, suggesting elite tight end production potential.
Insight pageNegativeProjection27:36
The source ranks Fannin Jr. in tier three, noting he has proven talent but is positioned lower due to positional viability concerns at tight end; the source prefers the upside of a bell cow running back (Henderson, Jocken, or Scadabo) over Fannin Jr. or Gadsden, as those backs offer more value if they hit elite production, whereas tight ends must hit elite to pay off.
Insight pageIsaac TeSlaa
NegativeRole46:26
Tier seven prospect; handcuffed to another player, limiting standalone fantasy viability.
Insight pagePositiveValue49:09
Source the source believes Isaac Tesla has higher opportunity than Torrey Horton in dynasty rankings, placing him in tier eight and suggesting the opportunity may be higher for Tesla compared to other prospects.
Insight pageIsiah Pacheco
NegativeInjury25:25
The source cites Pacheco as a precedent for injury recovery timeline; players with similar injuries to Judkins and Scadabo have taken considerable time to return to form.
Insight pageJalen Milroe
NegativeRole46:26
Tier seven prospect; handcuffed to Sam Darnold's availability; would be Tim Tebow-level fantasy scam if Darnold is out.
Insight pageJameson Williams
NegativeRole46:26
Tier seven prospect; handcuffed to another player, limiting standalone fantasy viability.
Insight pageJarquez Hunter
NegativeRole46:51
Tier seven running back prospect; buried deeper in depth chart due to Blake Corham ahead of him, limiting standalone fantasy viability.
Insight pagePositiveDepth Chart47:07
Running back buried deeper on the depth chart because of Blake Corham's presence; positioned as a prospect with future potential but not an immediate breakout candidate.
Insight pageJayden Higgins
PositiveBreakout33:13
Jaden Higgins is positioned as a second-year breakout candidate with elite pedigree—first second-round pick to receive a fully guaranteed contract through its entirety. Coaches and scouts are discussing his potential to break out this year; he showed consistency between college tape and on-field performance last year. Linking up with Gunnar Helm should further develop his knowledge base and ability to perform. The source views him as having clear opportunity to become a staple of the offense.
Insight pageJonah Coleman
PositiveRole34:48
Jonah Coleman is viewed very favorably by the source and positioned to assume a significant role with the Broncos. He has a duplicative skillset to RJ Harvey with the ability to be the between-the-gaps runner who could fill the Dobbins role and bring pass-catching ability, positioning him to eat into Harvey's opportunity share.
Insight pageJordan James
NegativeRole46:40
Tier seven running back prospect; handcuffed to the starting running back, limiting standalone fantasy viability.
Insight pageKeaton Mitchell
PositiveProjection12:00
The source describes this as a Keaton Mitchell stand podcast and positions him as a great stash, suggesting he has value as a depth piece despite not being in the top tiers.
Insight pageKyle Williams
NegativeRole46:46
Tier seven receiver prospect; handcuffed to depth chart opportunity; source leaves the light on for him.
Insight pageNegativeRole47:04
Listed among receivers the source is keeping a light on for; positioned as a prospect with future upside but not in the immediate breakout tier.
Insight pageLuther Burden
PositiveProjection18:00
Placed in tier three; the source highlights efficiency stats showing Burden at third in yards per route run (2.79) and formation-adjusted yards per route run (2.35), indicating consistent elite efficiency; the source woke up in a cold sweat thinking about whether Ben Johnson would build the offense around Burden and Loveland.
Insight pageMason Taylor
NegativeRole46:59
Tier eight prospect; part of the rest of the player pool with minimal fantasy viability.
Insight pageNegativeRole47:24
Grouped in the eighth tier of prospects; positioned outside the immediate breakout conversation with limited near-term fantasy relevance.
Insight pageMatthew Golden
PositiveRole33:41
Matthew Golden has clear opportunity to expand his role in the Texans offense after the team vacated significant targets by releasing Dontavian Wicks, Smart Tour, and Romeo Dobbs. The source expects Golden to be on the field more and projects the team may run more 11 personnel this year to integrate him into the offense, positioning him as a player with readily apparent opportunity to become a staple.
Insight pageNico Collins
NegativeRole35:45
Nico Collins is mentioned in the context of a compressed Texans passing offense. The source begins to discuss how the offense will run through certain players but the transcript cuts off before completing the analysis.
Insight pageOllie Gordon
NegativeRole46:40
Tier seven running back prospect; handcuffed to the starting running back, limiting standalone fantasy viability.
Insight pageOmarion Hampton
NegativeProjection10:00
Ranked in tier two by one the source but tier one by another; the source expresses skepticism about whether Hampton will take the next leap forward or remain good, noting he needs to go from 15 to 18-20 points per game to justify tier-one placement; has the clearest path with quality touches in an offense where he won't get bludgeoned to death.
Insight pageOronde Gadsden
PositiveRole28:39
Gadsden has significant fantasy upside despite competition from Charlie Kohler; the source believes Gadsden could lead the team in targets if he's identified as the best mismatch by the offense, and describes him as a dynasty tight end they "can't have enough of." Kohler is expected to play a defined role with limited reception upside (probably not more than 20 receptions, could have 2-3 touchdowns), leaving room for Gadsden to be the primary target at the position.
Insight pagePat Bryant
PositiveRole46:02
Tier six prospect who has received coach hype from Sean Payton regarding Michael Thomas; positioned as potential breakout if Cortland Sutton regresses.
Insight pageQuinshon Judkins
NegativeProjection7:00
Placed in tier two; the source notes that if Judkins were in a good situation like the Chargers, he would probably be in tier one; the environment is the limiting factor for his upside.
Insight pageRashid Shaheed
NegativeRole50:34
Source mentions hearing stuff about Rashid Shaheed in the context of wide receiver opportunity, noting it depends on how the offseason develops; context suggests potential role changes or opportunity shifts.
Insight pageRJ Harvey
NegativeRole34:48
RJ Harvey faces significant opportunity headwinds despite tier-four ranking. The Broncos brought in Jonah Coleman, who has a duplicative skillset and pass-catching ability that could eat into Harvey's role. North-South running is an issue for Harvey, reflected in how Denver drafted and brought back JK Dobbins; in tight games when they needed that push from Harvey, they didn't quite get it. While Harvey retains talent and can still be fantasy-relevant, opportunity-wise there's a real NFL concern.
Insight pageShedeur Sanders
NegativeProjection28:33
The source places Sanders (referenced as 'Shuck') in tier four, describing it as a 'prove it tier'; the source likes Sanders a lot but ranks him lower, noting the tier is contingent on environment and the source has seen 'glimmers' of Sanders being very good.
Insight pageTerrance Ferguson
NegativeRole46:18
Tier six tight end prospect; outcome depends on winning the Rams tight end depth chart lottery.
Insight pageTony Pollard
NegativeInjury25:25
The source cites Pollard as a precedent for injury recovery timeline; players with similar injuries to Judkins and Scadabo have taken considerable time to return to form.
Insight pageTory Horton
NegativeRole46:46
Tier seven receiver prospect; handcuffed to depth chart opportunity; source leaves the light on for him.
Insight pageNegativeRole47:04
Listed among receivers the source is keeping a light on for; positioned as a prospect with future upside but not in the immediate breakout tier.
Insight pageTrey Benson
PositiveRole25:58
The source expresses confidence in Benson's role, stating 'I have no problem drafting Scadabo' and noting the key question is whether he will be the unencumbered lead back; if he is, the source believes he should be ranked higher in tier rankings.
Insight pageTucker Kraft
NegativeRole53:06
Tucker Kraft is mentioned in the context of restricted discussion, similar to Caleb Johnson, suggesting internal constraints on discussing this player.
Insight pageTyler Warren
PositiveProjection4:00
Placed in tier one as a cornerstone tight end; the source notes that in the first 10 weeks of the season before Daniel Jones' Achilles injury, Warren was on pace for over 1,000 yards and was a tight end three in points per game; debated as a cornerstone prospect despite ADP being further back than other tier-one tight ends.
Insight pageNegativeProjection27:36
The source mentions Tyler Warren in the context of tight end positional narrowing, noting the gap between Fannin Jr. and Warren has tightened, but the source still prefers the upside of elite running backs over tight ends in tier rankings.
Insight pageWan'Dale Robinson
PositiveRole45:00
Wandale Robinson is positioned as a manufactured-touch target in the slot role; the source views him as a primary option for touch allocation in the offense, suggesting flex viability if he can secure consistent playing time.
Insight pageWill Howard
NegativeRole46:37
Tier seven prospect; handcuffed to Aaron Rodgers' quarterback viability, limiting standalone value.
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1:22What is good? Ooh, fresh crack. We got some second year player rankings here.
1:27So we're going to take all the second year skill position players and we're going to throw them in some rankings and
1:34some tiers and talk about them because why not?
1:37Right? Hey, the rookie class, people won't love it.
1:40It's down a little bit. And you know, this last rookie class, there was a lot of people being like, oh, you
1:47should sell your picks after the first couple guys.
1:50It's a pretty bad class. And it's like in doing this exercise, man, we are, we are in a deep list here
1:57of some, this was a fun class in 25 here.
2:01So shout out to the 2025 class. And we're going to go through here and tear them up and rank them up through the three of us here.
2:10So Shev, Jeremiah, how are we feeling today? We ready to go on this one?
2:15Right. Every day on this side of the dirt, it's another day that we get closer to American tackle football being back.
2:22Respect to the World Cup. But the world champs play here in about 70 days or so.
2:27Let's get right. So you don't have to get right.
2:31Yeah, exactly what Shev said. You're sitting there, all the recycled takes that are out there.
2:36It gets stale. It gets boring. It gets old.
2:39We're ready for some real football to happen. Shev always talks about a lot of crazy takes happen.
2:45The further we are from having played football, we're reaching that max point, but we're about to get to training camp soon.
2:52I'm really hyped for just real stimulus and the real deal football game coming back.
2:57Let's do it. All right. So we got sophomore players second year in the league here.
3:02It's super flex tight end premium is how we're going to judge these guys, right?
3:07This is the scale we're going to rank on today.
3:10So we all three have different sets of rankings and tiers.
3:14We're just going to kind of go through a tier by tier.
3:18All right. So at tier one, I've got Gentie and that's it.
3:22So I don't know where you guys stand on tier one and how you guys want to do it.
3:28But I figured he's the only cornerstone out of this group as of right now for where we stand on everything.
3:35And I just I put him in a league of their own for Gentie here.
3:40So any thoughts, comments, questions, concerns or gentlemen, go proceed with your first tiers.
3:44It's a little. Hey, we can get a little weird.
3:48My tier is actually a four man tier. Whoo.
3:51OK, it goes Ashton, Gentie. Ted Aroa, McMillan, the big pineapple, Colston Loveland and Tyler Warren.
3:56So why? Why not Gentie by himself here? Well, I mean, we got we got a little we got a little proof of concept.
4:04Now, do I obviously if you've seen anything that I've said on the Internet in the last like 24 hours, I do
4:11believe that Gentie is special and he's going to have a special season as a Kubiak, a Shani Kubiak back.
4:17But I mean, it's hard to ignore. Like we debated, Casey.
4:21We debated putting Ted Aroa McMillan as a cornerstone.
4:24Like we we debated we had the same debates about Colston Loveland.
4:28And if time worked in reverse, I know I just invented another if man.
4:33But if time worked in reverse, Tyler Warren, the first 10 weeks of the season was on pace for over a thousand yards.
4:40And he was a tight end three, I believe, in points per game up until Daniel Jones blew out his Achilles and
4:47got beat over the shins or whatever, whatever it was, you know, all that stuff.
4:52He had lower extremity opportunities and setbacks. So, yeah, it's a four man tier for me.
4:57I know that the ADP is kind of spread out.
5:01Obviously, Ashton Gentie right now, you know, eight 18 three pick 18 three.
5:05And there's basically like a one spot difference between Colston Loveland and Ted Aroa McMillan.
5:10And Tyler Warren's basically a little bit further back.
5:13Like, however, I think that this is where this is the in Titan premium.
5:17These are the the creme de la creme of the class.
5:21And so it was it was hard for me to differentiate after seeing all of them play football.
5:27In spite of the ADP difference, it's kind of how I view them now.
5:31All right, Jeremiah. I love it. Shev, our top six players are all a same amalgamation, just different order.
5:38And where we differ is I do have Teroro McMillan to your two.
5:42I have him six. But then to where you have O'Meara and Hampton six, I have O'Meara and Hampton second.
5:49I have a lot of commonality with you with Colston Loveland at three.
5:53Tyler Warren's at five. And my four is Emeka Ibuka because I'm starting to buy all the hype of, hey, Emeka Ibuka.
6:00Why can't he be next year's JSN? And then we get confirmation most recently of Baker Mayfield.
6:06We surmise that this is what happened with Baker Mayfield.
6:09We didn't realize how early in the season that Baker Mayfield was hurt down bad.
6:14And now we're going to get a full healthy season.
6:17And then we get Mike Evans on the way out.
6:20Just things are looking right for Emeka Ibuka. I love that first half start.
6:25And Casey, you've had some great numbers on Tyler Warren in his first half season start.
6:30So my top seven is one tier with Janty.
6:33And then my seven, which is different from you, Shev, is I'm putting Dart up in that tier.
6:39We have so many top three fantasy football performance games.
6:42It's just a matter of health. So all these players, my expectation in this tier, when I put them in tier, I
6:49expect similar output to their level of their position.
6:52And in the settings where we have Titan premium, Loveland Warren, I expect the output to reflect very similar to where they're
7:00going to be ledgered in this tier. So that's where I have them.
7:04All right. Hampton. I've got Colston Loveland. I've got Tyler Warren, Tedaroa, McMillian, McMillan, and Jackson Dart in tier two here.
7:11Now, you know, it was in that order as well, right?
7:14So two is Hampton, three Loveland, four Warren, five Tet, and six Jackson Dart.
7:19Ibuka was kind of teetering on the edge of this tier.
7:23I felt like I wasn't quite ready to put him up here.
7:26But then as we started having a little pre-show conversation, I kind of wanted to nudge him up here.
7:33For now, I'm going to leave him below. But I do believe he can put up.
7:38He can do things that Tet did. I slid Tet down a little bit here just because I think in Titan premium,
7:45I think Warren and Loveland can put up similar numbers consistently to Tedaroa, McMillan.
7:50So obviously all on the same tier here for me.
7:53Just a little bit of a tier above. So that's my tier two.
7:57Shev, where are you at on your second tier?
8:00I lead it off with the Emeka Egbikbo, as Rob Gronkowski so eloquently put it last year.
8:06Emeka Egbuka, five. Marianne Hampton at six. Harold Fannin Jr.
8:09at seven. Cam Ward, Cameron Anthony Ward at eight.
8:12Jackson Dart, nine. Tyler Shuck, ten. Travion Henderson, 11.
8:15And Quinshawn Judkins closing it out at 12. Okay.
8:18So you've got a pretty big tier here. Big tier.
8:21The ADP is all over the place. I did this in the assumption of just, hey, who do I like?
8:28Who am I willing to overpay for? Who's kind of, who's where I feel like they need to be?
8:34And that's just, that's kind of where I landed.
8:37I don't, in terms of, in terms of value, obviously Jackson Dart is, Jackson Dart has already, for all intents and purposes, broken out.
8:45We've seen that. But now he has to deal with Matt Al-Nagib, a noted member of Alcocha.
8:50So we'll see if he overcomes that shit. And I just, I really like what, everything else is like, hey, ready-made situation.
8:58We've already got the flashes. Mario on hand for 15 points a game as a rookie of Mecca Ibuka on pace for 1,400 yards before the hamstring injury.
9:07And Baker's dealing with ACL and PCL and the offensive lines all jacked up.
9:11And then you got Harold Fannin, who, I mean, he's just a beast.
9:16I mean, he put up 700 yards. He wanted nine tight ends to go over 650 yards.
9:21You could really extrapolate it, pull it down to seven.
9:24You go up to 700, but then I'd have to exclude Arundi Gatson.
9:29I didn't want to do that. So it's 650.
9:32It's still the same with 650. Nine tight ends since 2000.
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10:58How pros get more done. Obviously, Tyler Shuck, Cam Ward.
11:02We've got the flashes. Everyone seems to be on the Tyler Shuck train.
11:06And then, Quinshawn Junkins and Travion. Obviously, if Quinshawn Junkins was in a good situation, if Quinshawn Junkins was on the Chargers, we're not even having this conversation.
11:15He'd probably be in two. So, I'm really excited about all these guys.
11:19That's what I'm trying to say. And, like, some are already there.
11:23Some are going there. Regardless, I'm excited for them, no matter what.
11:27Yeah. Interesting to see Cam and Shuck in this tier, I think, for me.
11:32And then, Omarion Hampton not being in Tier 1 with that other list of guys being in that tier.
11:38Jeremiah, you had Hampton in Tier 1. I mean, obviously, I had Gentie by himself, but then Tier 2 with a bunch of those same guys.
11:47So, no Hampton in Tier 1, but in Tier 2.
11:50Just a little skeptical of what Hampton can do as opposed to all the guys in Tier 1, Shep?
11:56If... Now, this has been a Keaton Mitchell stand podcast.
11:59Not anymore. That piece has gone too far. He's a great stash, but you can F off with this.
12:06Hey, hey, hey. You and Charlie Kohler. Don't shoot the messenger, baby.
12:09Hey, if there's going to be Charlie Kohler propaganda to stop the Arundi-Gadsden arising, then I'm going to put out some Keaton Mitchell propaganda.
12:17Powder Blue A-Chan is what he's called. All right?
12:20Okay. So, I'm going to go ahead and just throw some cold water on the Omarion Hampton love for the sake of Keaton Mitchell.
12:28No, I kid, but I just... What if it's just...
12:31What if he's not? What if he just doesn't go take the next leap forward and he's just good?
12:38And it's the Colston-Loveland paradox. Like, I want to see it happen.
12:42I need to see it. I need to have the outcome confirm my priors.
12:46That's all. Okay. That's all. I need him to go from 15 to 18, 19, 20 points a game.
12:52That's what I want to put him in that tier.
12:56Well, also to... But you're confident that Tet's going to do that?
13:00I mean, value-wise... So, value-wise, Tetra Rell McMillan already debated Cornerstone.
13:03I didn't want to do... Like, I wanted to do it, but we've got to have the outcome confirm it.
13:10He's the alpha in his offense, though. There's no...
13:13As much as I love Jalen Coker, there's a pecking order, and Tetra Rell McMillan is at the top of it.
13:20Like, we're hoping Jalen Coker gets to 100 to 110 targets.
13:23We're... If we're talking about full-time Bama Bryce and this offense taking a step forward as the NFC South champions, as wild
13:30as that is to say, Tetra Rell McMillan goes up to 140, 145 targets.
13:35Now we're talking... Now we're cooking with Greeks. Well, I think that's the thing that is out there, probably part to what
13:42Casey is asking, because you're trying to pendulum shift from the 120 target range, 70 receptions, to can you get to 95
13:49and 100 off 140 to 150 targets? So if we get that pendulum swing out there, the question we have to ask
13:57is reliant on can Bryce Young feed and supply that for Tetra Rell McMillan?
14:01But to your point, Shev, it's a seats for chair thing where you have Hampton Six.
14:06These are all heavyweights up here. Loveland, Warren, and then you happen to see Tetra Rell McMillan.
14:12I think the distinction there is you're seeing him as a heavyweight where I think there's a little bit of a cooling that's happened for him.
14:21Not too far, but a little bit to where he's not quite at the top of the ranks for myself and for Casey.
14:28Would you say that's correct, Casey? Yeah, I think in this exercise here, which again is helping to reshape when you look
14:35at it this way, it helps reshape then your regular rankings because you took it outside the box.
14:41You're looking at it a different way, right? And these guys are all youthful and exciting.
14:46And then we're going through this exercise seeing how many good youth players you're getting here.
14:52But I just felt like if everything goes like we think it's going to go for Hampton and everything goes a little
14:59bit better than it went for Ted, I just feel like where I'm getting Hampton, obviously they're in the same tier for
15:06me here, but I have actually in my rankings, Ted ranked one spot ahead of Amari on Hampton.
15:12But now going through this exercise, I'm like, man, have I become, do I need to at least swap those two around, right?
15:19Where I just, I feel like the opportunity and the situation for Hampton just from the running back perspective.
15:26And I just, I find myself again, just being more staunchly interested in the running back position than the wide receiver position
15:33kind of, you know, early on and kind of what can be, I just feel like I can find wide receiver production a little easier.
15:41Maybe not to what that could possibly be. I just, I feel like the same thing that Shev's saying about Hampton, I
15:48could flip it around and kind of say it about Ted a little bit.
15:53Like, I just, I want to see that whole offense functionality wise move forward where I guess I'm putting a lot of,
16:00you know, point of emphasis that Chargers offense was good last year and it's going to get even better this year because of the coordinator situation.
16:09So I think that's kind of where I, where I, where I, where I stand there.
16:14So I don't mind it at all. Yeah. It's just that like, I'm, I'm exercising a touch more, just a touch.
16:21I think it's fair. More caution. And I don't think that there's a huge opportunity wise.
16:26Yes. And I don't, I don't, I don't mind it.
16:29Opportunity wise. I think a Mario on Hampton has the clearest path with like quality touches in an offense that where he's
16:36not going to get bludgeoned to death. Like if there was no Travion, Travion's probably in tier, in tier one, or excuse me to yeah.
16:45Tier one with my, the other guys, but Travion has a Ramondre Stevenson problem outside of that.
16:50Like there's no, there's questions about the environment that we just can't get over.
16:55And that's the same thing with Ted Arroyo McMillan.
16:58I've just said some really aggressive things. So it would be weird for me to come in and be like, well, ah, yeah.
17:05Sometimes there's a little bit of, there's a human element to this.
17:09Absolutely. You guys are hearing us flesh out, you know, sorry to the YouTube listeners, but the podcast guys will get it.
17:16Like we're trying to, we're talking through like, Hey, why are you, why are you doing this?
17:22Why are you? And I like, that's just my personal preference and thought process on where they're going.
17:28Yeah. Yeah. I like it. All right. Let's jump into tier two for Jeremiah here.
17:33Who you got? I'm just going to start off.
17:36And this is a tier break from Jackson. Dark.
17:39It is Tyler Shuck. Cam Ward with Tyler Shuck.
17:42We have five of 10 games where he was a QB one.
17:46There was an 11th game where the snap share wasn't really high enough.
17:50So about half the games at QB one last year for shock.
17:54We believe he can go three, 400 rushing yards extrapolated over a full season.
17:58And then you have Cam Ward underneath at nine.
18:01And I have them together because I see breakout city.
18:05This tier here, tier two is really an expectation.
18:08I expect these players and the talent lines up, but based on expectation, it still has to play out.
18:14So there could be human error on my part.
18:17Somebody's one of these players will, or won't hit or more.
18:20But the expectation is that most or all will.
18:23Cam Ward. Here's the problem. Box score watchers next year are going to be like, Oh shit.
18:29Cam Ward is a good football player because they'll just see a number that's higher in performance and passing yards and touchdown passes, completion percentage.
18:37We're going to get the jump next year. So if you don't love watching football, there's people who watch Cam Ward.
18:44They love Cam Ward. They love seeing what they have and box score watchers don't.
18:49It's a huge distinction. And then after that it's Luther burden.
18:52Well, look at Luther Burton yards per route run third, 2.79 last year.
18:57Formation adjusted yards per route run third, 2.35. The efficiency stats are always there for Luther burden.
19:02And then I have, it's Travion Henderson, 180 carries last year, a 46% snap share.
19:07Can we get that increased some? Again, that's the Ramondre problem, but it's Travion Henderson, Quinshawn Junkins, Cam Scadbo, Henderson, Junkins, Scadbo,
19:14all three could be malleable, but I got them three in order in my rankings, got them three in order on this year.
19:22So from shock all the way down to Scadbo, it's the power of expectation and the talent that's there.
19:28They showed a lot, but they didn't show for entirety.
19:31And I'm ready for the entirety to take over.
19:34Granted, some of those players didn't do entirety in my tier one, Mecca, Buka and Tyler Warren, the back half didn't show,
19:42but I still talent profile have them higher. So that's where I have this tier two.
19:47That's really my thinking. It's loaded with talent, a lot of expectation.
19:51I like it. I like it. I mean, not, not terribly dissimilar to some of the players that Shev has in there.
19:58Both of you guys seemingly have Shuck and Ward a little higher than I do in the tier.
20:04I'll jump into my tier three here, which obviously again, Gentie at tier one skewed how this rolls a little bit.
20:11So on my tier three, I have a Buka.
20:14I've got Luther burden. I've got Harold fanning, which Fannin was as high as eight, as low as 10, but right now he settles in.
20:22And at nine, then Travion Henderson and Quinshon Judkins.
20:25That's my tier three. So that that's leaving cam Scadabo, cam Ward and Tyler Shuck out of that tier.
20:31And their spoiler alert going to be my tier four between those three guys.
20:36So again, my tier three, a Buka burden fan and Travion and Quinshon Judkins could have had a book.
20:42I think in a tier higher, I think, I think Fannin's nipping on the heels of those other two tight ends that we spoke of.
20:50The environment was a little better, just like you said with Judkins, I think both of those guys could be up a tier.
20:58We love the environment environment for burden. I think I'm going to, we're going to love the environment for egg Buka and
21:05Travion Henderson does have a Romandre problem, which is why he's hanging out here.
21:09But I think you could make an argument for bumping him even down into the next tier with, with the Scadabos and,
21:17and the, the, the cam words here. But my, my, my, my bias is going to keep showing.
21:22So that's my tier three chef. What's your tier three?
21:26CTE. Get back. Yeah. Anglo-Saxon assassin leads off tier three, Luther burden, or Ronday Gadsden.
21:31All right. I know that Charlie color is going to take his lunch money and make him useless for fantasy, but I
21:38am not of that belief right now today. So you'll have to probably run that guessing out of my cold dead hands.
21:45Kyle Monungus, Monungi and RJ Robert Jr. Harvey. Okay.
21:48So you got Scat Pack at 13 burden, 14 grads, and 15 men, guy 16 and Harvey at 17.
21:54Congrats. Yes. Aranda. Yeah. So burden burden didn't make the, the tier two there.
21:59No burden did not make tier two. Okay. Just want to see a little more.
22:04I have to, man, I told you, I woke up in a cold sweat thinking about whether or not Ben Johnson was
22:11going to do what we talked about and build this whole thing around Luther burden and Colston Loveland.
22:17And I think that he will, but what if he doesn't?
22:20Yeah. Well, question chef. What if you take away Luther burdens, three best games?
22:25Doesn't that make him a bad football player? I think that if you take away, like, if you were like, Hey, Hey,
22:32I'm going to take away three inches of meat from you, then I would make you a different.
22:38That'd make you have a clitoris. All right. Does that answer your question?
22:42Yeah. Yeah. That, that nails it. Yes. Um, the, the, you know, the, the nod that I can continue to give to
22:50those three guys, even though we just didn't overvalued with, you know, Loveland in there, just, you know, obviously we, you gotta
22:57have ways to have fun conversations, but somebody like Caleb, if he takes a step forward, could certainly facilitate three guys at a fairly high level.
23:05Right. That's, that's kind of, you know, we're arguing who could be, it's like, well, I mean, the answer is probably all of them.
23:13If Caleb can be where we think Caleb could be.
23:16So there's, there's, there's in spite of what people say, there's, there's a lot of solid evidence to say that Caleb is
23:24going to be able to support these guys. So, yeah, I just, he's tier three.
23:29I, I struggled with putting camp scatterbow in the same tier.
23:32It's just that I really, and I've, yeah, you know, we spent the whole off season talking about how, how we, how
23:39much we, we really appreciate the way that camps got about place football.
23:44The issue is just that. What if the, I don't understand what's going on.
23:48So I need to know a little bit. Hey, that was going to be my question.
23:53Cause you were answering that. Shev about scabbo. Cause the two of you kept scabbo away from Henderson and Junkins.
24:00So Casey, do you have that same reasoning? Is it the Matt Nagy offense?
24:05What, what cuts those two from scabbo? So that was, you know, I had, I had scabbo up in that tier and
24:12then I ended up dropping them down and I ended up splitting this tier.
24:16Like I had a bigger tier here. And then I ended up using the two QBs is kind of a line of
24:24demarcation here with ward and Chuck into my tier four.
24:27To me again. Yeah. I don't exactly know what's going to go on there.
24:31I think he's, he's probably, if he gets fed at the rate that Judkins gets fed, then he's going to end up being up there.
24:40And I think most people are telling, telling you that that's, what's going to happen.
24:45I'm not a thousand percent sold that. He's just going to be the unencumbered, like workhorse, workhorse.
24:50And that's, that'd be the only, and like do the pass catching that was going on last.
24:56Does that pass catching that was going on last year stay?
24:59Like it was, it was a decent clip and he was doing well with it.
25:04Like, and he's a very fun player. Um, I'm just not 1000% sold exactly on Scadabo.
25:09And I've, I've just on how the usage is going to be and how healthy he is.
25:15Right. Um, we're I'm given Judkins kind of the benefit of the doubt there.
25:20Um, but he had a lot more to lose where Scadabo doesn't have as much to lose.
25:25We've seen people like Pacheco and Pollard take a minute to come back from this injury or, or a similar injury.
25:32Um, so that's kind of, it's a bad rationale.
25:35I'm not saying it's great. I've just got him down a little bit lower.
25:40I think if, if Tracy could come in here and catch some balls and be part of this offense, cause I think he's a good player.
25:48And that that's kind of just, I I've had to continuously elevate.
25:52Scadabo throughout the off season. Um, I just wasn't quite ready to throw him up there.
25:57Although he probably deserved what should happen is, is this tier should probably just grow larger and be, you know, a bigger
26:04tier three for me, but I'm, I'm, I've got them in at 14 and in tier four.
26:10So that's kind of where I lay with it.
26:13Like, you know, where I lay with it is, is where's this offense go?
26:18Is he just the, is he just the guy unencumbered for sure?
26:21Um, that's kind of very rare at this point in the league.
26:25Um, and if he is, then, then, then he should be up in the next thing.
26:31I do think that there is a possibility that maybe it's not quite as clean as we think it will be.
26:38And that's the only thing holding me back just a hair, but I have no problem drafting Scadabo.
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27:27All right. Give me your tier three, Jeremiah, or did you already hit me with it?
27:33Yep. For tier three, it's a short one. It's Harold Fannin Jr.
27:36and Rondae Gadsden. Two players who have proven, shown the talent, but they're just a little bit lower for positional viability.
27:43I know this is tight end premium, and we've talked about the narrowing between Harold Fannin Jr.
27:49going up towards Tyler Warren, but I'm going to park them because if I can get a bell cow of the three,
27:56Henderson, Jocken, Scadbo, it's going to be worth more to me than Fannin Jr.
28:01and Gadsden maybe hitting the middle. So they have to hit elite for them to really pay off, but I have them here.
28:08The players I have them above in the next year, it's, it's a respect to, I've seen enough from Fannin and Gadsden,
28:15and I want to see more, but the players below, it's like, I want to see more and there's more questions.
28:22So there's unquestioned talent for Fannin and Gadsden, and that's why I have them tier three.
28:28Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I like it. All right. Well, I'll just jump right into tier four.
28:33It was Cam Ward. It was Shuck. It was Scadabo.
28:36And I had a Rondé Gadsden in that one.
28:39So we've kind of covered that. And I've thrown the quarterbacks a little lower than you guys.
28:45Just, you know, I like both of them a whole lot.
28:48I just, again, this is like almost a little bit of a prove it tier, but I mean, we've seen all the
28:55glimmers of all of these guys being very good.
28:58Um, it's, it's entrusted in the environment fully. And I think, I think there's no reason not to trust the saints.
29:05I really like day ball and Cam Ward tied together and they've, they've invested a lot in that offense.
29:11So I think all of those things are, are good.
29:15We just talked about Scadabo and a Rondé Gadsden obviously has a bit more competition.
29:20You know, we're, we're making jokes about Kohler, but Kohler certainly could take some touchdowns, certainly take a couple of receptions, like,
29:27you know, probably not going to have more than 20 receptions this year, but, you know, could have two or three touchdowns.
29:34He's going to be on the field a lot.
29:37And, you know, I know there was just the coach speak thing of, of, of Charlie Kohler and how he, the GM thinks she fits.
29:45And it's like, yeah, those two, two things can be true.
29:49Like he can fit into what they're going to be doing because they want him to have a certain role.
29:55And he's going to play that role really well.
29:58It doesn't mean he's going to be the tight end one, as far as fantasy relevance.
30:04I think Gadsden still has a lot of fantasy relevant.
30:07Hell Gadsden can lead this team in targets, right?
30:10If he's their best mismatch. I think that that could, that's not out of the realm of possibilities.
30:16I'm not saying that's going to happen. I'm just saying that's some, if, if that's where, uh, Oh, Capri pants deems that
30:23there's the best mismatch and Herbert ends up liking it, then the ball's going to go there a lot.
30:29Um, and you know, that's just something that could happen.
30:32Uh, but Gadsden's just going to be a, uh, a dynasty tight end that I'm, I can't have enough of.
30:39So, um, I got, that's my tier four. Shev hit us with your tier four.
30:44Sorry. I blacked out a little bit. Oh, okay.
30:47All right. And the joke who could hurt him too, a little, you know, obviously could, could not be as great as,
30:54as we want it to be this year for Gadsden, but we're doing, we're doing something.
30:59You could have just, I know, I know. I just, I had to throw it in there.
31:05It's just for the, somebody in the comments. Who doesn't joke who think he is?
31:10LaQuinn Allen. Nah, you know, he's the fucking chief is who he is.
31:14God damn it. You know? Oh, yeah. Yeah. I mean, Hey, look, if we got, if we played in like points per
31:21shirtless, uh, photo op, tight in one, seven zero shirtless.
31:24Yeah. Yeah. Tight in one. All right. So just to get to tier four here, visual tootin, Jaden Higgins, Gunner helm, and Matthew gold.
31:32Yeah. See, Hunter helm was one of the ones I had the most, every tier I put him in, it felt like
31:40he was too high or too low. So that's a, you've got, you, you just, you put yours, the, the, um, you're
31:47the testicular fortitude to, uh, to stick them up there.
31:50Listen, listen, I I've stuck things up there before and I've been wrong, but Hey, just haven't had to go to a hospital.
31:58Pimps don't cry. Okay. So with this one, it's, it's very speculative because we have to, we have to project a bit
32:05with these, obviously I know there's the guy in the comments of the last video that we, that we did that was saying it.
32:13Obviously I haven't ever watched visual toot. The problem is I watched him and I watched other people be good behind that offensive line.
32:20And I watched what he did and I was like, that's not very good.
32:25So in terms of opportunity, he would be, he should be higher.
32:29I still think this is just going to be a really annoying timeshare.
32:33I saw a really good point. I can't remember who it was from on the Twitter X where it's, this feels like
32:40the Zach Charbonnet, Kenneth Walker thing all over again, where you just, you have a guy who's really explosive.
32:47And then you have a guy who just does all the dirty work.
32:51And then the touchdowns fall his way. And everybody who has the guy who's really explosive is very sad.
32:57Everybody who got the guy who scores a touchdown six rounds later.
33:01That's kind of what I, it's what I see from the Jacksonville Jaguars.
33:05So Jaden Higgins, obviously we, we know we love the talent.
33:09He's one of these, the first second round pick to ever get a contract fully guaranteed all the way through.
33:15And, you know, with Gunnar Helm, we're starting to see coaches and some scouts talk about how he could break out this year.
33:23You saw it last year. He was, and it's consistent with what he put on tape in college.
33:29And those things are translating. So I think another year, obviously him linking up with the boys at tight end, you was
33:36going to help further along his knowledge base and his, his ability to perform.
33:41And then Matthew golden, they vacated a lot of targets.
33:44Okay. Dontavian Wicks is gone. Smart tour is gone.
33:47Uh, what's, what's the other guy that they let go?
33:50Oh, Romeo Dobbs, you know, guardian cap man, the guardian cap mascot himself.
33:54He's gone now. So Matthew golden being out on the field more, maybe they run a little bit more 11 personnel this
34:02year so that we're able to get him integrated in the offense.
34:06So that's just kind of, that's where I, this is readily apparent opportunities to become a staple of the offense.
34:12All these guys have that opportunity and that's why they're here for me.
34:16So Basil tootin 18, Jaden Higgins, 19, Gunnar Helm, 20, one, hell of a tiered four.
34:22Uh, yeah, we got, you know, last year it was, uh, we, we, we, we class after the top ones and we're
34:29like, we're 24 deep just about with, with some, some really, really good players, uh, still, still coming off the board.
34:36So Jeremiah, who is your, uh, tier four here?
34:39A tier four. It's going to lead off with RJ Harvey week, 13 through 17, four or five games range anywhere from 18 to 22 fancy points.
34:48You love to see it. Jaden Higgins is in this tier as Shev had alluded to, then Basil tootin and then Kyle Mononga.
34:55So four players who essentially something has to work in their favor.
34:59We know there's talent there. There's, but then it has to be opportunity and something has to move, right?
35:05Unfortunately with RJ Harvey, you've brought in Jonah Coleman, who I'm very high on.
35:10Uh, he has a duplicative, uh, skillset and the ability to be the, between the gaps guy who could do the Dobbins
35:17role and the pass catching ability that, uh, Coleman could eat into RJ Harvey's, uh, skill output.
35:23North South running is an issue for Harvey. Uh, it's reflective in how they drafted and how they brought back JK Dobbins, the Denver Broncos.
35:31Those that in those tight games when they needed that push from RJ Harvey, they didn't quite get it.
35:37No knock on his talent. He can still be a fantasy utilized player, but opportunity wise, real NFL.
35:43That's an issue. Jaden Higgins getting out of the way.
35:46It's Nico Collins in a compressed offense. Pass wise.
35:49And really I see it's going to run through because I talked about a player who we should buy in a rebuild.
35:56It's Jaden Higgins. It's going to run through Nico Collins.
36:00It'll be narrow and it'll be a more centralized on David Montgomery.
36:04And then finite plays for defense to have to be on the field.
36:08You're just shortening the games and you're on the path to your winning team.
36:12So that's how I see things going. That's why things have to move exponentially for Higgins to really hit, but we like
36:20him enough to have him in this tier. Bajal too.
36:23And it's the same thing that you guys have argued well for with the Chris Rodriguez saying the Clint Allen, a lot more has to happen.
36:31And LeQuint Allen really is a fly in the ointment for me.
36:35And Kyle Monongai. It's pretty obvious. DeAndre Swift. He's in a timeshare, but if you ever got that monsters of the midway
36:43opportunity, unadulterated backfield for Monongai, he could really crush.
36:45So these are four players who are talented. They're good.
36:49They've shown something, but they're not all the way there and they need some breaks along the way.
36:55That's my tier four. I like it. I like it.
36:58Good, good, solid tier four there. I feel like you're pretty much on par with a lot of what Shev was saying.
37:05We all have Jaden Higgins somewhere around here near the top of that tier.
37:10So I think we're all, we're all sniffing the same.
37:13I don't know. I don't want to miss that one.
37:16So I felt like there was nowhere good. I could have went with that one.
37:21All right. I'm going to, I'm going to kick off tier five here.
37:25I got Jaden Higgins, RJ Harvey, Tootin and Monongai.
37:28You guys pretty much just hit on all those guys.
37:32I feel very similar about kind of everything you said there.
37:35I still like Harvey a lot. I know people hate him and think he stinks, but I don't think so.
37:42I think he's going to be somebody who catches a lot of passes for them.
37:47He was a rookie last year. He hadn't been playing the running back position very long as far as, you know, the
37:54position he came in as a quarterback. I know we've, we've said that before on the show.
37:59I know he's a little bit older, but I, you know, I really don't care.
38:0425 doesn't matter to me. Get three, four more years in the league.
38:09And I thought he looked good, really good at times.
38:12And then, you know, I struggled at times too, but running backs typically struggle sometimes throughout the rookie season and was kind
38:19of thrust into a situation where maybe he didn't think he would be.
38:23But I thought he caught the ball very well and was very elusive.
38:28So I liked that. Tootin, you guys hit on Monongai.
38:31You guys hit on, I think I've could have made the, I could have stretched this tier.
38:37And I know I've said that the last two tiers, but my next tier is golden Trey Harris and Gunnar Helm.
38:43And I almost think just looking at it now, I had this as one big, I split it up kind of as
38:51like, Hey, these, these guys I feel really good about and are kind of known and we've seen.
38:56And then these guys, I feel like I want to see a little bit more, but I really still like in golden Harris Helm.
39:04So I think I could have made this one big tier, but I did end up splitting it up with golden Harris
39:12Helm, but I don't feel that different about those guys than some of those guys above them.
39:17So that could have easily been sort of one there.
39:20Shev hit me with, hit me with your tier five here.
39:24Oh, so we're looking at, we're looking at Shadur Sanders, Shep door Sanders.
39:28My namesake himself, his teammate, Dylan Sampson, Mason Taylor, Terrence Ferguson, T for, who, I don't know if he's going to get usurped by Max Claire.
39:37That would be what a sad set of, just the Rams pissed me off.
39:41We're going to get there and say Elijah Arroyo, Trey Harris, Shamir DK and Jack Bay.
39:47All right. Yeah. I mean, you're right. I mean, I, Jeremiah, why don't you hit us with your tier five too?
39:53And then we'll, we'll come back and discuss. Yep.
39:56I've got Trey Harris, Gunnar Helm, Jalen Noel, Shadur Sanders, Corey Krosky, Merritt, Matthew Golden, shy of Matthew Golden, who I'm admittedly
40:04way lower than all those players that I just listed out.
40:07They have a talent. They have more of a profile and we're projecting and hoping and wish casting.
40:13There's a little bit of a prove it in this tier.
40:17Shadur Sanders, namely to being at 23, I can't have him buried in the ranks, but of course I can't justify having him much higher.
40:25It's just a matter of Shadur Sanders. Does he get this job?
40:29And can he take away and run away with it?
40:32Because we've talked about the skill position players for the Browns.
40:36Being a most effective tactic to buy, whether it be a rebuild or when now there's going to be opportunity with that
40:43young skillset via Judkins, Denzel Boston, Casey Concepcion, Harold Fannin Jr.
40:47You love to see it. If you can steer the ship and be Shadur Sanders, what a great spot and opportunity.
40:53So I hope for his sake, he can get that job because that would justify him being much higher.
41:00Right now I've got to put Sanders in this group into your five.
41:04Yeah. These are, these are going to be some, some higher end youth lottery ticket kind of stuff, stash it away.
41:11Hope, hope some stuff hits, but I have a prime for opportunity.
41:15If just a few things kind of go their way, it kind of seems like that's where we're running with that tier.
41:22And, and Chevy mentioned, uh, Terrence Ferguson. And I think we all like Terrence Ferguson, but again, like the Rams outcome of
41:29their tight end, I know they're going to use a lot of 13, but like to be able to know which Rams
41:36tight end to start each week, is it just going to be a nail biter?
41:41And like, I don't know if Claire needs to usurp anybody, but I don't, it doesn't really matter.
41:47I just think it's just going to be a mess because I Ferguson, we were hoping would be a lot higher in here from the little bit.
41:56We saw it was pretty fun, but you just can't, I can't do it.
42:01And I think we're all basically in the same, uh, wavelength here.
42:05I'm going to go. I hit my tier six and this will catch me up to you guys was, was golden Harrison helm.
42:12Um, and that seven is bash crossky, merit, Ferguson, Arroyo, Dylan Samson, and Shador Samson, or Shador Sanders.
42:18Right. Um, so kind of catching up with you guys there.
42:22Um, a lot of the same guys. I felt like I was fighting for maybe Tesla to potentially be in their Royals, AO manner.
42:29Shev, you had DK as the higher, um, Titans receiver there over AO manner.
42:34Just, just showed you more last year. I feel, I feel like his opportunity to get on the field is going to
42:41be tougher than what AO manner could maybe go up against.
42:45I don't know. I see it the opposite. Okay.
42:48Yes. So you have a guy who set the record franchise record for all purpose yards outside of what CJ2K did.
42:55So, you know, he's the locked in return guy.
42:58So, you know, he's going to be a game day actor.
43:01Now then when we schemed him up targets, either be it like using them on crossing routes or just the manufactured, like get the ball in his hands.
43:10There's a lot of, and you, you know, this at this point, I'm a huge Parker Washington guy.
43:16They play the exact same. Hmm. I don't think that, I don't know if Jim has the above the rim, like go
43:23up and get it prowess that Parker Washington put on display last year.
43:28But with us drafting the Titans, I say us, cause I'm a Titans fan.
43:32I, you know, I inherited this. Don't judge me, but with drafting Carnell Tate gospel, George, it makes the X wide receiver role that much more.
43:41If I, if I'm playing the picture in my head, you pay Wando Robinson, $70 million to be your slot receiver.
43:48He's familiar with day ball. You draft Carnell, Carnell take to be your ex Calvin Ridley.
43:53The ghost of Calvin Ridley is still probably a little better as a Z receiver than, than LKL manner will be.
44:00So then you're starting to think about, all right, well, who's going to come in, who are they going to manufacture touches to?
44:07Are they going to manufacture touches to LKL manner?
44:10Probably not. Are they going to manufacture it to the guy who just set the record for all purpose yards and has
44:17just a little bit more dynamism to him in the, you know, with the ball in his hands.
44:23That's the way that I see it. And that's the way that it broke down for me.
44:29So LKL manner is a deep stash. We liked him coming out.
44:33We still like him coming out. It's just a bit of a log jam because of what we had, like what we
44:40had to do with the organization had to do to get cam more to immediate help.
44:45Cause three day, three pass catchers being your primary options is just taking a dump down somebody's throat and being like, Hey
44:53man, can you make me a salad? Yeah. I think my mind was just like, Hey, if I look at, if I
45:00look at, you know, obviously, you know, you look at basically the two outside receivers and it's going to, I feel like
45:07it with rather Ridley makes it through the season or where he is.
45:11I just felt like it would be Tate Nao man or with, with Wandel in the slot with him kind of being the manufacturer touch guy.
45:20Um, but now, I mean, I could, you know, I could certainly see that, you know, flanker kind of being Jim DK essentially is what you're saying.
45:29Yeah. All right. Um, from here on out, just roll through, uh, the rest of your tears here.
45:34Um, Jeremiah. Hey, tears for fears. Tier six. These are just players who they have some ability to show some flex viability,
45:42but they need somebody to get out of the way.
45:45Dylan Sampson, obvious case question. Judkins, a little bit of flexibility.
45:49Elijah Arroyo, a lot of hype about him. AJ Barner, the athleticism is there for a Royal.
45:54Shamir DK. She've covered it greatly. I too have him higher than L.
45:58A. Manor. Pat Bryant has gotten coach hype from Sean Payton about Michael Thomas.
46:03So say no more. Maybe it's Cortland Sutton gets out of the way, regresses, and he's the two next to Waddle, right?
46:10Alec A. Manor for obvious reasons, similar to DK, but he's lower.
46:14And then Terrence Ferguson, whoever wins that lottery of the tight end Rams roulette.
46:19I got them here at 31. So that that's my list for tier six.
46:23All right. Hit us with tier seven and eight.
46:26And then me and Jeff will just run our tears out too.
46:30All right. Beautiful. So, uh, to your seven, these are all players who they're handcuffed city, straight handcuff.
46:36And it's a lot similar to this tier six.
46:39Ready? Tier seven, Isaac Tesla, Jameson Williams, Jalen Milrow, obvious.
46:42He'd be like Tim Tebow level of scam fantasy for Sam Darnold being out.
46:47Will Howard cuff city to Aaron Rogers quarterback viability.
46:50And then it goes a gamut of running backs, Ollie Gordon, for obvious reasons, Jordan James, Todd Brooks.
46:56Think about who the starting running backs are here.
46:59People, Jane blue, Devin Neal. And then it goes to receivers, Tori Horton, Kyle Williams.
47:04We leave the light on for them. And Jarquez Hunter.
47:07He's a back, but he's buried a little deeper because of Blake Corham.
47:11So that's my seven. And then my eight, it's the rest of the players that we have listed.
47:17It's the Mason Taylor's, the Giddens, the Caleb Johnson's, the Ty Felton's, all the rest of the players of the class.
47:24I know it hurts. And maybe you guys can tell us, you know, how much are you leaving the light on for
47:31Caleb Johnson as you read through yours? Yeah. Well, I'll, I'll let you have go.
47:36I'll go last year. I'm recover from, I saw bash down there.
47:40I saw Royals down there. They're falling off. Caleb Johnson delayed, not denied, baby.
47:45All right, let's roll. Will Howard, Kyle Williams, Jalen, Isaac Tesla, Pat Bryant, Caleb Johnson, Corey Cross, Merritt, Bill, Jalen Royals and L.
47:52A.O. Manor in that, in that tier. And then to close it out, just a fest of us for the rest of us.
48:00Jalen Millbro, Dylan Gabriel, Ty Felton, Dante Thornton, Trevor ETN, Jarquez Hunter, Jalen Lane, Jordan Watkins, Jordan James, Jaden Blue, DJ Giddens, Torrey Horton.
48:07Oh, I probably knew that. I probably knew him up, but he again, don't dare back up there, backed up.
48:14All right. Like, like somebody who ate a whole Velveeta block of cheese.
48:18All right. Ollie Gordon, Devin Neal, Khalil Mullings, and Todd Brooks.
48:22I probably just need to take the wheel. I'll get rid of him.
48:26He's my last guy. Actually. No, Dylan Gabriel is my last guy.
48:30Cause that guy stinks. And I hate it. Um, all right.
48:34Uh, tier eight. Uh, I've got Tesla Royals, AO manor, Will Howard, Torrey Horton, Caleb Johnson, Jalen, Noel, Caleb or Kyle Williams,
48:41uh, Pat Bryant, Jalen Milrow, and Jim DK rounding out that tier.
48:45And yeah, I'm leaving the light on a little bit for Caleb.
48:49Like if we would have seen him and he would have been terrible.
48:53Yeah. He made a dumb move, but I feel like they just, that was a bad casting of kind of what happened, what took place.
49:01He shouldn't be returning kicks. Um, so yeah, I mean, yeah, it stunk.
49:05I was, I was way wrong on that one.
49:08Uh, but I do think if we could get a chance for him to be, you know, somebody who could establish himself, I'm still fine with it.
49:17And then Torrey Horton too low in your guys rankings showed too much last year.
49:22Um, he's probably too low in this one. I just felt like the opportunity may be higher for Royals and Tesla.
49:29Um, and then in my tier nine, this was kind of what you were saying.
49:34Um, Jeremiah, a lot of backups and handcuffs, Jordan James, Mason Taylor, Devin Neal, Dante Thornton didn't know what to do with him.
49:41So threw him in here, Trevor ETN, Ollie Gordon and Jaden blue.
49:45And then tier 10. These are kind of guys that I just, I think are just kind of dead right now.
49:52Jalen lane, which I could be completely wrong. He's kind of fun, but yeah, Jarquez Hunter didn't mind him.
49:58Taj Brooks. Maybe I'm, I'm wrong there. Ty Felton got Juwan Jennings, uh, DJ Giddens had another backdrafted Jordan Watkins.
50:05They've brought in four other wide receivers, uh, that's going to wrap up the tiers there.
50:10Anybody want comments, questions, concerns before we wrap the show up?
50:14Who? Okay. All right. Real quick speed round. Who's the one guy in one of these last two tiers.
50:20You can't say Caleb Johnson, Casey. Okay. Who could ascend, uh, out of, out of those last tiers that we named, is
50:27there, is there a guy that any of you guys think that could ascend out of those last two tiers?
50:34Oh, but Casey, you mentioned it, even though you're higher and we're lower, or at least I'm lower on Torrey Horton.
50:41I love the idea of if Cooper cup just got out of the way.
50:45I know we're hearing stuff about Rashid Shaheed. It depends on how don't we in the off season.
50:51Jesus. Yeah. Right. I just, from what we saw for Torrey Horton, I thought it was a blessing and a gift for us.
50:59It was bad for him personally. We don't want harm, but that injury that stifled his trajectory because he was becoming somebody
51:06almost not unattainable, but the irrational pricing that was out there right now, you can get him near for free and he ought to be a throw in.
51:15We talked maybe borderline stash, but my God, a throw in so much.
51:19I love in the best ball streets. It's unrelated getting him because you don't have to tell too much of a story
51:27narrative of if some players get out of the way, how quickly he could move up that depth chart low key.
51:33It's kind of like the chiefs depth chart wise.
51:36It's very like, my God, if Jason goes down, they are shitting bricks in that receiver room.
51:42So yeah, I'm glad. Good question, chef. Yeah. Great question.
51:45I go up a little higher. Jack Bess and Arroyo would be my wish casting.
51:50I want it to happen. I would like to see it.
51:54I think they got some talent and have could have opportunity.
51:57Maybe, maybe AJ Barner foils that, but Jack Bess really, I think could, could be the wide receiver to their, and then
52:05coming down a little bit for their Royals Horton and Jalen Noel.
52:09Just, I think Horton played really well. What we saw a lot of them last year in any role that they put
52:16him in, he got hurt Royals just from a factor of like, who's going to get on the field for them.
52:23And I thought he was a good player. And then Noel, like if he can, like, if he could turn into, you
52:30know, tank Dell light for Stroud, like that was his guy.
52:33He, he knew how to use him. They had a great connection.
52:37I'm not saying that's going to happen, but like, if for some reason that lightning got caught in a bottle where he
52:45found something in Noel and the Noel got some better playing time or whatever, those would be my, my couple chef Jalen Royals.
52:52That's the one that, that's the one that sticks out to me.
52:56And then Caleb Johnson. I'm not allowed to say it.
52:59Yeah, no, you're, you're not allowed to say it.
53:02Just like, I can't talk about he who should not be named.
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