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Ride The ADP Rollercoaster

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45 min
Duration
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Jun 19, 2026
Published
Fri, June 19, 2026
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Topics
Tucker KraftMalik NabersGeorge KittleMark AndrewsTravis HunterParker WashingtonChris OlaveJonah ColemanBraxton BerriosBrenton StrangeBrian Thomas Jr.Courtland SuttonJaylen WaddlePat Bryant
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Braxton Berrios

PositiveRole0:24

With Malik Nabers' injury uncertainty, Braxton Berrios becomes the beneficiary in the Giants wide receiver room.

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Brenton Strange

PositiveProjection0:28

Analyst likes Brenton Strange, the Jaguars tight end, as part of a talented pass catcher room.

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Brian Thomas Jr.

PositiveProjection0:28

Analyst refuses to believe Brian Thomas Jr.'s talent 'just evaporated' last year and thinks he can still get that connection back with Trevor Lawrence.

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Chris Olave

PositiveInjury0:05

Olave is off blood thinners in two weeks and is fully on track without restrictions for week one, with everything going exactly as planned for a full recovery.

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PositiveValue0:46

Olave has dropped to late third/early fourth round due to injury news discount, which represents a smash value given his 156 targets last year and status as a total target hog.

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Courtland Sutton

PositiveDepth Chart0:17

Sutton is getting up there in age and Pat Bryant is positioned as part of the succession plan, though Sutton should still be available in drafts.

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George Kittle

PositiveInjury0:37

George Kittle tore his right Achilles in the playoffs (January 11th) and is remarkably ahead of schedule, jogging and doing single-leg hops with a week one return target in Australia.

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PositiveProjection0:38

Analyst is comfortable taking the injury discount on George Kittle in redraft and best ball leagues because the tight end role in the Shanahan offense is so vital.

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PositiveProjection0:38

Kittle's surgeon called the Achilles tear a 'best case scenario' because it was so high up on the appendage, which is a positive sign for recovery.

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PositiveProjection0:40

Kittle is one of the shortest list of tight ends who can be rolled out as a flex player every week and can get yards after the catch while being involved in the red zone.

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PositiveValue0:42

Kittle is positioned as a secondary tight end option in best ball that can back up an early tight end selection like Andrews, offering complementary upside.

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Jaylen Waddle

PositiveDepth Chart0:17

Waddle's addition to Denver's receiver room creates uncertainty about his role and availability, though the analyst expects him to still be available in drafts.

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Jonah Coleman

PositiveSleeper0:14

Coleman is a late-round target with three-down potential who can be the guy in Denver's backfield if given the opportunity, representing value given the uncertainty around Dobbins and Harvey.

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PositiveValue0:15

Coleman is going outside of the top 150 and is worth consideration even in redraft formats as a very late pick with potential upside if either Dobbins or Harvey suffers a setback.

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Malik Nabers

NegativeInjury0:21

Tore his ACL and meniscus in the right knee with a second surgery needed for scar tissue cleanup. Giants have been vague about timeline; goal is training camp/week one but could miss first few weeks.

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NegativeValue0:22

Despite talent, analyst is off Nabers and won't draft him in the fourth round or earlier, preferring to wait until pick 40 or worse, or avoid him entirely in redraft.

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NegativeProjection0:22

Analyst has found himself 'very sadly off' Nabers and won't see him in the fourth round; may click him in best ball or redraft only if cleaning up a mess later in drafts.

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NegativeInjury0:23

Second analyst notes the re-aggravation and second procedure is concerning; teams usually put out optimistic reports for ACL injuries, but Giants are 'hemming and hawing,' which is 'super nervous' territory.

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NegativeProjection0:23

Second analyst won't draft Nabers in round four and maybe not even round five, as the injury uncertainty puts too much stress on the rest of the draft.

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NegativeInjury0:24

Re-aggravation and second procedure reset recovery clocks and open the body up to infections, making it a 'disaster' for draft purposes.

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Mark Andrews

PositiveProjection0:41

Analyst loves Mark Andrews and has been in on him since March; with Likely moved away from, there's more target share available for Andrews.

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Mark Andrews is not as old as people think, is healthy, and plays for a good Ravens team, making him an attractive alternative to George Kittle.

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PositiveProjection0:41

Second analyst has been in on Mark Andrews since way back in March and loves the pick, noting it feels rude that everybody is just now starting to come around on him.

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PositiveValue0:42

Andrews is recommended as an early-round tight end target in best ball formats, described as a reliable 'early hit' that can anchor a tight end strategy.

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Parker Washington

PositiveRole0:26

Parker Washington went off in the slot role in the Liam Cohen offense, recording 12 of 14 targets in the slot with 8 catches for 101 yards and 1 TD in that game.

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PositiveProjection0:27

Analyst believes in Parker Washington's talent and is comfortable with him breaking out in year three, especially given his late-season success in high-leverage playoff games.

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Parker Washington excelled in the slot role in high-leverage playoff games and is compared favorably to Chris Godwin in the same role, who was a top-five wide receiver before injury.

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Pat Bryant

PositiveValue0:17

Bryant remains part of Denver's succession plan for aging Cortland Sutton and should still fall half a round due to Jalen Waddle addition, making him a strong dynasty hold.

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RJ Harvey

NegativeInjury0:25

Harvey had off-season surgery for a torn labrum, which occurred late in the season versus New England, and the analyst worries about this despite reports of a good off-season.

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Travis Hunter

NegativeInjury0:25

Tore his LCL in the right knee in week seven (London game) with surgery in mid-November. Expected back as full-time cornerback and part-time wide receiver.

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PositiveValue0:26

Travis Hunter is 'extremely undervalued' at ADP 138 and could be a wide receiver one if he returns to form, though uncertainty around usage remains.

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NegativeRole0:27

Analyst won't sell on the idea that the Jaguars want to use Travis Hunter heavily on both sides of the ball post-injury, especially given their greater need at cornerback than wide receiver.

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PositiveProjection0:28

Hunter is fine as a late-round best ball option but not for redraft or lineup-dependent leagues due to uncertainty around dual-role usage.

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Tucker Kraft

PositiveInjury0:30

Tucker Kraft tore his ACL but has had more recovery time than Malik Nabers and hasn't had re-aggravation issues. Expected to be healthy and on track for week one.

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PositiveValue0:31

At ADP 82, Tucker Kraft is a top-five tight end value and doesn't require reaching; analyst is okay taking him where he's going in drafts.

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PositiveProjection0:31

Tucker Kraft was tied for overall tight end one in points per game through the first eight weeks of last season with incredible underlying stats, making him a 'league winner type of guy.'

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PositiveUsage0:31

Among all pass catchers, Tucker Kraft ranked fifth in yards per target, seventh in yards per reception, second in yards after catch per reception, fourth in broken tackle rate, and second in passer rating when targeted.

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PositiveProjection0:32

Even if Tucker Kraft doesn't look amazing in week one, by week three or four he should be a league-winner type of player.

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PositiveProjection0:35

Analyst is 'super excited' about Tucker Kraft and believes he can win in line, win short, shake tackles, and win in the seam, comparing him to Gronk and Dallas Clark.

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PositiveUsage0:36

Tucker Kraft recorded 21.5 mph top speed on the practice field, which is elite top speed indicating he is 100% healed.

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2:37Jake Trowbridge. Jake, this is the first time I don't have an active fantasy football draft window open for the first time since I think we spoke last.
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2:49How are you doing? I mean, it has to feel a little bit of a relief, I would think.
2:55Just like, oh, how do I deal without the stress of a draft on my shoulders?
3:01John, I mean, I don't have a draft window open right now, but I am preparing for Scott Fishbowl's live draft, which
3:08is coming up, at least in my home city, in about a month.
3:12And I know long-term listeners of this show know all about the wacky and wonderful scoring settings that Scott comes up every year for that big charity tournament.
3:21And I gotta say, John, because this year it's all about, like, big play bonuses and stuff.
3:26You know, if you get a 40-yard passing play, it's worth, like, an extra 10 points.
3:31It's kind of fun to analyze players from that different angle when you're hyper-focused on one thing.
3:37It feels like I've really honed in, John. I don't know.
3:40You know what's funny? To that point, that's kind of why I avoid it.
3:45Now, hat tip and much love to Fish. He does fantastic work.
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3:52Because, again, he does such wonderful work. They do so much.
3:56That said, I don't have the bandwidth for that.
3:59It's hard enough for me to scrape off the best ball brain to get to those fine layers of redraft nuance.
4:06That transition would be hard enough for me. Always under the gun with best ball, again, building for the whole year.
4:12You're thinking in terms of multiple quarterback teams. A lot of things we don't do in redraft.
4:18So, hat tip to everyone that does do it.
4:21And we can actually talk about it. If you want to set it up, I'll check the rules.
4:26And maybe as, like, a third-party perspective, I can give some takes on it.
4:31Maybe that's a good off-season topic idea. But for today, we're going to do some news and notes.
4:37It's been, you know, the drips are happening, right, with OTAs going on.
4:41And then we're going to jump back into those season-ending injuries from last year.
4:45And players that will be back, how we're treating them, subsequent ADP moves, the pass catchers.
4:51If you missed last week, check out quarterbacks and running back.
4:54I'm glad we took the time to really sink our teeth into it.
4:58Because it's worth it. All right, so, first news and note, is the pass catcher himself, though.
5:04It's Chris Olave. He's going off at ADP 29.
5:07I can speak for somebody I've taken him as high up as the turn, the 2-3 turn, looking for a first wideout after taking Gibbs at the 101.
5:16Olave's off-blood thinners, or will be, in two weeks, according to sources.
5:19He's avoiding contact for now, but they're saying he should be good to go.
5:24By all intents and purposes, it is a full recovery coming.
5:28Everything to this point is going exactly as planned.
5:30And they're saying he's fully on track without restrictions for week one.
5:34So, I guess, just talk to me about Olave.
5:37Are you worried about this news? Were you worried?
5:40And how are you handling going forward? What do you think about that high price tag, of course?
5:46I think this bit of news with Olave is a good reminder that we know more about players than we ever have before.
5:53The news and updates that we get most of the time, it's stuff we would have never even thought to think about 10 years ago.
6:01Nobody would have thought to put out there 10 years ago.
6:05So, this news didn't really shake me. I mean, Chris Olave has had his issues in the past staying healthy and on
6:12the field with all the concussions and things like that.
6:15It's maybe just a tiny, tiny reminder to myself to remember Chris Olave had all the concussion stuff.
6:21Jordan Tyson, the highly drafted rookie, is coming into the season with his own injury stuff.
6:26Maybe just keep an eye on Juwan Johnson. Keep an eye on the other rookie wide receiver, Bryce Lance, later in drafts
6:33or at worst, you know, keep your eyes on the waivers as you get close to it.
6:39But I'm not really freaking out about Olave, John.
6:41Are you? No, definitely not. I'm drafting him. It's not throwing me off it.
6:46And I've even capitalized on the natural discount that will happen with any injury news.
6:51He's kind of dropped down, and I've seen him now back third, early four, where to me it's a smash.
6:57Olave is a total target hog. He had 156 targets last year, and that was as they were discovering that quarterback situation.
7:04Shuck kind of came into his own. We saw a lot of progression.
7:08You know, the market is pricing him properly, but yeah, I'm into the Olave thing.
7:13So, for me, it's wheels up for Olave. Again, late third for sure.
7:17Next one is another wide receiver in that same range going a little bit after.
7:22It's Lad McConkie for the Chargers. Now, this is one of those kind of secret injuries.
7:27You know, we hate these, but we know that they're going to happen from time to time.
7:33He's dealing with a strained left hamstring. They're saying phase two of the Chargers offseason program.
7:38I'm not going to pretend to know what that means.
7:41They're saying he'll be ready for training camp, which is a really good sign.
7:46He's been working off to the side through OTAs.
7:49He'll participate in individual drills. This is an update.
7:52I caught this just today. Jim Harbour said, I think Mike McDaniels said it best.
7:56Potential for the best year he's ever had in pro football.
8:00I see it the same way. Well, he's only had two of those.
8:04I guess the first one was really good. So, the best one would be really good.
8:09What do you think about Lad McConkie? Does this throw you off at all?
8:14We're already seeing a dip, in case you were wondering.
8:17Well, I agree with both you and Mike McDaniel, two very smart men, about Lad McConkie.
8:22I do think that this would be a great match for the player to really pop off.
8:28Soft tissue injuries, though, they're not nothing. It is a bummer, like you said, that it just kind of popped up out of nowhere.
8:35Now, if this causes a dip, where he's going to fall into the fifth and sixth round, you know, perpetually, then I'm good with that.
8:43I would like to get more shares of him, because I do think he's going to be a focal point and be very creatively used.
8:51But I'm keeping an eye on this in a training camp.
8:55If stuff keeps popping up throughout training camp, this is an injury that can reappear magically throughout the season.
9:01And I don't want to be on the receiving end of, you know, him continually leaving games early or something like that.
9:08That's such a great point with the soft tissue stuff, something I have a lot of experience following with baseball.
9:14And what I would advise people is this. Aside from like a true setback, where it's a real re-aggravation and they're reassessing,
9:22if they extend the timeline, don't look at it as a bad thing.
9:26Look at that as a good thing. Like you mentioned, if you get a full rehab, it won't get re-injured.
9:32A lot of the re-aggravation comes from hurrying back too soon.
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9:43I was really big into Lad McConkie. I put Lad McConkie.
9:46I started out high on him last year, but after they brought in Keenan Allen, I hit the eject button.
9:53I'm back. The career numbers to this age are still really great.
9:57A strong combo of volume and efficiency. This is career numbers.
10:006.8 targets a game. 21% target per route run.
10:031.86 yards per route run. Those are elite numbers.
10:06But I put also floor plus ceiling. He runs 22 slot routes a game, almost 5 slot targets, and more than a
10:13half of an end zone target per game. Those are career numbers.
10:17So I just want to put that out there.
10:20If people are dinging him for the stuff last year, again, I think there was target comp.
10:25There was also some injury stuff. And then the offensive line problems.
10:29So, unfortunately, you said round 5 or 6. That's not happening, Jake.
10:33But he has fallen past Zay Flowers and Emeka Egbuka.
10:36And now McConkie's making for an interesting 3-4 turn player, which I think opens the door if you're drafting those running backs early.
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13:25Next player, RJ Harvey had off-season surgery. Man, I wish we knew about these things.
13:30For a torn Libram, I don't like that. That's like the Bucky Irving thing in the shoulder.
13:35This happened versus New England very late, right? So now they're saying he had a really good off-season.
13:41He's a full go. I'm doing air quotes for Sean Payton.
13:45I worry about this. The market was already kind of punishing him.
13:49ADP 85, I was just beginning to get interested.
13:52How are you handling Harvey or if not the Denver backfield in general?
13:56I will absolutely grab some Jonah Coleman late in my drafts, that rookie that they just added.
14:01Because I think, I thought, even coming into the season, into the NFL, regardless of which team he landed with, he has three-down potential.
14:09He can be that guy. He can be that guy in Denver as well if Payton ever stops trying to outsmart himself.
14:16But I don't know if we'll get there. So Dobbins, we know his injury history.
14:21I mean, out of 101 possible games he could have played in his career since 2020, he's only played 47.
14:27So, John, I don't know. You know, the over-under is set at nine and a half healthy games played this year for Dobbins.
14:35I'm more comfortable taking the under at this point.
14:37But R.J. Harvey, for his sake, I mean, I don't know.
14:41He didn't become this magical joker type of player that Payton is obsessed with finding.
14:46You know, that hybrid kind of running back or tight end.
14:49Harvey wasn't that. He was just thrown into the mix because of Dobbins' injury last year.
14:55So, I don't know. This injury stuff with both Dobbins and Harvey, it really has me taking a hard look at Coleman.
15:02Yeah, I think that's a great point. A lot of times, this is like the anti-move thing I was talking about earlier
15:09in the offseason where, let's say a situation confuses you.
15:12Or you say, like the Red and Stimpy horse.
15:15No, sir, I don't like it. There might be another window open.
15:19Right? Like, just because you don't like where, you know, Harvey's going and Dobbins worries you.
15:24Both of those things are true for me. Doesn't mean you have to be out totally.
15:29Sometimes, you know, when the door closes, the window opens.
15:32I love that Coleman pick. He's going outside of the top 150.
15:36And I think it's even worth consideration in a redraft.
15:39Right? Again, I'm trying to wear both those best ball and redraft hats.
15:43I like that even as a very late redraft pick, I think he'll fall in redrafts.
15:49Also, because one news blurb, one setback, and all of a sudden that third wheel could be a secondary player behind somebody
15:56that we're handicapping for a single-digit amount of games.
15:58You know, so there's absolutely some potential value there.
16:01Last news to know. We'll do this one quickly.
16:04I don't know how much impact it's going to have, but we're staying in the mile-high city for this one.
16:11Denver signed UFL Offensive Player of the Year, Hakeem Butler.
16:14I was like, man, I remember that name. And I saw one of the blurbs, Jake, NFL veteran.
16:20I was like, man, I was digging and digging and digging.
16:23I had to go all the way back to the 2020 Philadelphia Eagles.
16:27Two targets, no catches. So he didn't actually get the finished box score.
16:32The thing with this is, and they're excited about him, of course, this wide receiver room, this is why I brought this
16:39up, we were already a little confused. It was a bit murky, right?
16:43Bringing in Waddle, the Franklin, Bryant, Mims, and Humphrey room already felt a little bit crowded.
16:48Even Humphrey got some love last year. Does this move you off of your Pat Bryant love?
16:53Which I don't think was misplaced. I think it was a really great take.
16:58Are you worried at all? Or I'm telling you, Bryant is going to fall half around.
17:03Are you just buying it? I mean, I was worried for Pat Bryant simply with the addition of Jalen Waddle and not
17:10knowing how much he was going to be out there this year.
17:14I think Pat Bryant is still the part of the succession plan for Cortland Sutton, who's getting up there in age.
17:21So dynasty believers in Pat Bryant, I am holding strong.
17:24I'm not moving off of him for dynasty. For this year, I still don't care about Hakeem the dream Butler showing up
17:31for training camp because Butler is the definition of a camp body to me.
17:36He has bounced back and forth from the UFL to NFL practice squads so many times the last few years.
17:42And they even tried converting him to tight end.
17:45Like you were talking about when he was in Philly.
17:48That was what they tried to force him to be there was this makeshift tight end.
17:53To me, this is a big nothing burger. If it does force Jalen Waddle down the board a little bit, I'll be happy because of that.
18:02Or even Cortland Sutton. I'll still get plenty of both of those guys.
18:06Yeah, I love that. I don't know much about the UFL.
18:09So I just, you know, kind of went and dug and went, wow, offensive player of the year.
18:15Sometimes this happens in lower competition college leagues, right?
18:18We hear about the most productive player. Tyson B agent was like that, if I'm not mistaken.
18:23Guys that put up these cartoonish right numbers. Again, I'm not a prospector.
18:28So I was ready for like, wow, I wonder how crazy this was.
18:32Butler just turned 30. He had nine games for 30, 29 catches, excuse me, 641 and three.
18:37So I don't know. It's like 71 yards game.
18:40I mean, not necessarily crazy. Again, I was just had the antenna up because it was a situation I was worried about.
18:47And I didn't like the idea of bringing in talent.
18:50Like stop bringing in competition into rooms where we're looking for clarity, right?
18:55I'm looking for clarity and they're bringing in the cumulo clouds or whatever.
18:59All right. So that's it for the news and notes.
19:02I know we didn't finish on the most exciting one.
19:05Let me just shuffle a paper really quick, Jake.
19:08And I want to dive back into these past catchers and the season ending injuries.
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21:56When he went down, I was really high in it.
21:59We saw the immediate impact of a target hog and one of the first and few people to ever remind me of Megatron out there.
22:07Now his ADP has dropped with the bad news.
22:10He's down, but it's still ADP 32. So I wanted to lead with that because you're still paying kind of a premium.
22:17Okay, he tore his ACL, but plus the meniscus in the right knee.
22:21He's now at a second surgery because they needed a scar tissue cleanup.
22:25The Giants have been a little bit vague about the timeline.
22:29We don't like that. The goal, the stated goal is training camp, maybe week one, but now they're saying could be wishful
22:36thinking and he could miss the first few weeks.
22:39Then you have ramp up or you're ready for contact.
22:42I have found myself very sadly off of Malik Neighbors, who I love.
22:46I have yet to see him in the fourth.
22:49If we get there, like where the number starts with a four, right?
22:53Pick 40 or worse. Maybe I'm clicking it in best ball in redraft.
22:57You think you're behind the eight ball immediately. Maybe you could clean up that mess later in drafts.
23:03Jake talked to us about Malik Neighbors, who I don't think the talent is a question at all, but is the juice worth the squeeze?
23:11I guess I'm to ask. Yeah, Johnny, tore his ACL all the way back in week four.
23:17So you would think by now, we've gotten much more rosy and optimistic reports of guys who tore their ACLs much later than that last season.
23:25So the fact that we're not, and teams loved, I mean, they can't wait to put out an optimistic report about these types of players.
23:33So the fact that they're very much hemming and hawing has me super nervous.
23:37I think I see some shades of Terry McLaurin in 2025, albeit for different reasons.
23:42Terry McLaurin was holding out last year, and that was a concern to me because if you're not out there practicing as
23:49training camp goes on and as we get close to the season, stuff can happen.
23:54You either show up rusty or there's cause that you will have a slow start in some form.
24:00So I'm not worried about the whole, you know, charity softball game gate.
24:04You know, when he was running to first base and I know there's a lot made of that.
24:10That didn't scare me. But the fact that these guys won't just come out and say, yeah, week one, he's definitely good for week one.
24:18We're still getting maybes about that. So I don't even think in round four, I'm going to be on him, John.
24:25Maybe round five, but it puts too much stress on the rest of your draft to have a guy like this kind of leading your lineup.
24:33Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, you're back waiting that value and that first, second, third pick is supposed to, you know, carry you.
24:40So yeah, I'm with you. I don't like to invite the injuries.
24:44It's that re-aggravation, that second procedure, right? Anytime you have to re-invade the body, you reset a lot of clocks and then
24:51open yourself up for like infections and stuff. Also, to me, it's a disaster.
24:56I'm kind of out, which man, it really stinks.
24:59I don't think he's going to get far enough for either one of us to take it.
25:04So I guess it is indeed Braxton Berrio season.
25:07He said it, everyone, not me. Next up is the most, it's got to be the most like prevalent and time consuming
25:14argument going on in the fantasy industry right now.
25:17So the macro is Jaguars wide receiver room. The micro we're going to talk about now is Travis Hunter, right?
25:24We had the torn LCL in the right knee.
25:26So he had surgery in mid-November. Okay, he was breaking out.
25:30I think it was the international game, if I'm not mistaken, but regardless, it was week seven.
25:35Yeah, it was week seven in London. Okay, they're expecting him back as a full-time cornerback and a part-time world receiver.
25:42This is what they're saying, not me. The recovery time does put him on track.
25:47Now, again, Liam Cohen with all this optimism like you mentioned, which I don't necessarily buy, but they do like to put
25:54that out there, which I do think is especially bearish for neighbors.
25:58So they're saying he's gotten stronger and all this stuff.
26:01But that last game is the focus, right? It's the value of the slot role in the Liam Cohen offense, which we saw manifest down the stretch.
26:10Parker Washington, he's going very early. In that game where Hunter went bananas, Mr.
26:14Trowbridge, 12 of the 14 targets, 14 targets, 12 of them were in the slot and all of the production, all eight
26:21for 101 and one were all from the slot.
26:24Man, this, you could see where this goes. Travis Hunter is, A, extremely undervalued.
26:29ADP 138. This guy could be a wide receiver one.
26:32Or Parker Washington is the guy now. I don't know what to do.
26:36I've been trying to just take Jaguar wide receivers wherever they fall.
26:40And they brought back Jacoby Myers. This might be the most talented pass catcher room in the league.
26:46Can you bring any clarity to us at all?
26:49I'm just going to leave it open to talk Jaguars wide receivers.
26:53No, I can't bring any clarity in this situation, John, as much as I would love to.
26:58I've been doing a similar thing of just, I will try to still keep my optimism up for Parker Washington because I believe in the talent.
27:06And there used to be a time that a guy could break out in the third year and we were all just comfortable going, hey, he broke out.
27:15He can probably continue to be that good, especially as it happens towards the latter part of the season instead of the inverse.
27:23So I'm still good with Parker Washington. I think what I'm struggling with, John, is you're never going to sell me that
27:30the team wants to use Travis Hunter heavily on both sides of the ball, especially after he tore his LCL and missed most of the season.
27:38Not saying that that was all because of how much they were trying to use him or overuse him, but you wouldn't
27:45do that to a guy coming off of that injury, especially because to me, they have more of a need at cornerback
27:52on defense than they do at wide receiver. You said it.
27:56There's plenty of talented guys here. Brian Thomas Jr., I refuse to believe that, you know, his talent just evaporated last year.
28:03I think he can still get that connection back.
28:06I like Jacoby Myers fine. I like Brenton Strange, their tight end, frankly.
28:10So I think Hunter is fine as a late round best ball option.
28:14Not in any lineup where I, or any league, where I have to set a lineup.
28:19Am I investing in Travis Hunter though? Because I don't know which games they're going to try to shoehorn him in to
28:26the offense versus when he's going to take a backseat and play defense.
28:31But in best ball, I'm fine. The other guys, I'll just kind of, you know, every other draft sort of thing, pick a different guy.
28:39Yeah, I'm going to agree with you a hundred percent there.
28:42And I would even shrink it down even more.
28:45I'm only drafting Hunter in best ball or non-lineup setting formats where I already have Trevor Lawrence.
28:51I want that connection. I think they have to go off together in those games.
28:55I'm not even, I don't even think I'm interested in the frequency of the boom and bust as constituted.
29:01Again, right now, I'm penciling him in as a quarterback.
29:05There's, and not just enough talent. They have like the diversity of talent.
29:09It's actually a perfectly set out, like compartmentalized room, if you ask me.
29:13Brian Thomas can really play deep. And Myers is much better short and intermediate.
29:18He's always been a target earner, never going to take the top off.
29:22But, you know, name a guy that you feel more confident to get your five 51 and one.
29:27Jacoby Myers is your guy. And then again, Washington in that number three role, he didn't just excel, right?
29:34Jake, he went, he went off in those games and they were in high leverage spots, playoff games.
29:39I don't know how you could get away from Washington in that spot.
29:44And again, because I've been such a Parker Washington bull, remember what Godwin looked like in that same exact role before he got hurt, before Cohen left Tampa.
29:53Godwin was like a, he was easily a wide receiver one.
29:56He might've been a top five overall wide out.
29:59So, and see how I mentioned like the role, but that also, if something were to happen in Washington, I don't like to put injuries out there.
30:08Let's say he hits the lottery and decides to, you know, go on a mindfulness meditation retreat.
30:13Good for him, man. You know, that opportunity, if it goes to Hunter, right?
30:18If they say, oh man, that slot role belongs to Hunter, then all of a sudden he, his value just skyrocket.
30:24So we want a piece of the Jaguars. It's just, like you said, it's gonna be hard to find.
30:30I've been trying to go with value. All right, tight ends next.
30:34Let's go to Tucker Kraft. Enough out of me.
30:37ADP 82. They're saying our man is healthy. Another ACL timeline.
30:41He's had a little bit more time also. Not as much as neighbors, but he hasn't had the re-aggravation.
30:47Talk to us about Tucker, Kraft, and Cheese. I mean, John, at first blush, you go, geez, you know, I expected the
30:54guy who tore his ACL to have somewhat of a discount.
30:57And you look at where he's going in ADP, you don't really see that.
31:02You know, he's still very much in the top five, I think across pretty much all platforms at this point.
31:08And then I think about it more and I go, well, maybe actually this is the discount because he's not tight end
31:15two, tight end three, even tight end four in most cases.
31:19I think he's mostly tight end five, but Tucker Kraft was tied for the overall tight end one spot in points per
31:26game through the first eight weeks of last season.
31:29And his underlying stats were all incredible. John, I know you're a big stats guy.
31:34Let me just give you a couple of my favorites here as the Packer fan, because it just warms my cheesy little heart.
31:41But among all pass catchers, not even just tight ends, John, but all pass catchers, Tucker Kraft ranked fifth in yards per
31:48target, seventh in yards per reception, second in yards after the catch per reception, fourth in broken tackle rate, and second in passer rating when targeted.
31:57Again, not just for tight ends, all pass catchers.
32:00This dude is a beast. So if they're saying that they project him to really be on track to get out there
32:07week one, even if he doesn't look amazing in week one, by week three, week four, this is the league winner type of guy.
32:14I think I'm okay. Taking him where he is going in drafts right now.
32:19I, I just hope he doesn't shoot up too much further.
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35:01I, you, you got all of it. I love that.
35:04I had some tight end stuff that I thought was kind of sexy.
35:09You really one-upped it right there and went full on pass catcher.
35:12And that speaks to the talent level. You know, he was on pace for a thousand yards, double digit tight ends through
35:19that week eight when he got hurt. Just under six targets a game, 22% target per route run, almost two and a
35:27half yards per route when it was 2.49. So I'm just there.
35:30That's elite, elite stuff. And the 10.8 yak perception led all tight ends.
35:35Not only did it lead all tight ends, the next one, Greg Dulcich was at 7.7.
35:40I mean, that that's an order of magnitude, multiple orders of magnitude better than the field.
35:45Kraft can win in line, win short, shake the tackle and then break out.
35:49He can also win in the seam. He is grunkish in, if you ask me, he is so excellent.
35:55He also reminds me of, this is a little bit of a throwback.
36:00He reminds me of a little bit of Dallas Clark in the seam, because that's one of the great tight end seam throws.
36:07Now, Peyton Manning has a lot to do with that.
36:10But when I think of like the stereotypical, prototypical tight end seam route, it was Clark.
36:15And you just get that high throw where the tight end can reach up to pull it in, in stride and he's out, you know, he's out.
36:24I don't like, we've mentioned this before a couple of weeks ago.
36:28I don't like the tight ends that catch and fall.
36:31I've never been the earth's guy. That's not my thing.
36:34I want a guy again, that can shake the shoulders and get out into space.
36:39Kraft is absolutely that guy. And you know, they move away from Romeo Dubs.
36:44You move away from Don Tavian Wicks. There are plenty, plenty of short and intermediate targets open.
36:49And then one last stat, Tucker Kraft, no reason to not believe him.
36:53They was recorded at 21 and a half miles per hour on the practice field, which is top speed, right?
37:00It's not just his top speed. It's an elite top speed.
37:03And it's, you know, a hundred percent healed. If that's the number that we're going by.
37:08So I am super excited. And just to address your point with the price.
37:13Yes. Correct. He's tight in five, but it's picky too.
37:16So you are getting it. You know, it's a, even by ADP, it's a top five ADP, but you didn't really have to reach up for him.
37:25Next guy is a player that I know that you like, but I'm curious how you're handling it now because George Kittle, his price is moving up now.
37:34It's not skyrocketing, but he's now up to pick 116.
37:37He tore his right Achilles in the playoffs. So we haven't had a lot of time.
37:42That was January 11th. They're saying he's remarkably ahead of schedule.
37:46Talk about injury. Optimism. He's jogging and doing single leg hops.
37:49Oh my goodness. They're targeting a week one return in Australia, which man, I don't know that role.
37:55Again, I mentioned roles very valuable. The tight end role in the Shanahan offense.
38:00Tongass was the tight end nine that stretched between week two and six, more than six targets a game.
38:06Are you into Kittle? Are you kind of buying a dip?
38:09Are you viewing this as a dip? How are you going about, which you don't want to know the guy that's easily
38:16going to project as a top five, 10 end when he's healthy.
38:20Yeah. When healthy, of course, this is the key words with all these guys, but John, the least surprising words in the
38:27English dictionary, George Kittle is pushing to play despite his injury.
38:31That is literally all that the guy does. If it was anybody else and they were coming out with all of these narratives that, yeah, he's on target.
38:40He's really pushing for it. Yeah. That's what everybody says.
38:43Not a lot of guys actually follow through the way that Kittle does.
38:47So, and the fact that his surgeon back when this first happened in January was calling the terror, you know, a best
38:54case scenario because it was so high up on the appendage.
38:58And as we've mentioned, we're not doctors, but that sounds good.
39:01I like the sound of that. I think I am pretty comfortable taking the injury discount in redraft and in best ball
39:08leagues, because as you said it, that's such a vital role.
39:12Mike Evans, obviously new to the team. He's getting up there in age.
39:16Hopefully he stays healthy as well, but he carries some injury risks.
39:20Ricky Parasol has carried some injury risks recently. So everybody on the team, even CMC at his advanced age of barely 30
39:27or whatever it is, they all kind of have some question marks.
39:31So I'm fine dipping into Kittle. And honestly, his value is probably too deflated in dynasty as well, because when Kittle's on
39:38the field, he just produces so much fantasy goodness.
39:41And it's such a fickle position in dynasty. I'd rather pay, you know, a more modest price for somebody like Kittle, who's
39:48older and injured, but I'd rather pay that than one of these younger, very questionable guys who tend to be valued ahead just because they're younger.
39:56Yeah, it's not a bad point. I mean, if you get boxed out on one of the earlier tight ends, let's say
40:03you had your heart set on a Warren or the drop back to Kraft, but Kraft doesn't make it to the eighties and he's gone in the seventies.
40:12And you find yourself in that gap. All of a sudden Kittle becomes pretty attractive.
40:17A lot of these players outside pick 110, everyone are going to get dropped or injured or stink or a combination of all of them.
40:25So you want to play for the guys that can move the needle.
40:29And Kittle is certainly one of those players. I mean, he's on the shorter list, shortest list, I should say, of players
40:36at the tight end position that you'd roll out as a flex player, right?
40:41I mean, he's could be in every week flex player.
40:44You'd probably be fine with that because he can get yards after the catch.
40:49And he's always involved in the red zone and stuff.
40:52So yeah, I think you're right. I'm not targeting it.
40:55We are for me hitting that point where I'm going to be out because now it's a starting tight end.
41:01And before we get out of here, I do have one last question because this is a question I've been asking myself.
41:09How about George Kittle versus Mark Andrews? Andrews, they move away from likely.
41:13I feel like there's more of a target share.
41:16He's not as old as we think he is.
41:18Everyone is healthy. The Ravens are good. And that's why I have me drafting Kittle.
41:23It's not so much anti-Kittle. It's you have to take him over Mark Andrews.
41:28How would you deal with that one V1 before we go, Jay?
41:32I do love me some Mark Andrews. And I've been in on Mark Andrews since way back in like March.
41:38And it just feels rude that everybody's starting to come around on this guy now.
41:43You know, shame on us for talking so highly of Mark Andrews.
41:47I'm sure it was only us that that caused his ADP decline.
41:51But yes, I like splitting, splitting the difference with tight ends in general.
41:55We've talked a lot about waiting at tight end because it feels so deep.
41:59But there are times where I just go, I've invested late at tight end and it's burned me.
42:05So maybe I just do the thing that I don't usually do, which is take the solid quote unquote reliable guy in George Kittle.
42:13So to answer your question, I'm just splitting it up, but I do love Andrews.
42:18Yeah, I hear you. And I think that's the question.
42:21Maybe it depends on the format or who else is there.
42:24If you could even double tap them, I think that's a great combination for a best ball season.
42:30You have your early hit with Andrews. Then you hope to back it up with Kittle.
42:35And then again, a guy that could be a filler at the flex, man, Jake, that will do it.
42:41This show just goes so fast, man. I have such a great time talking to you.
42:47We'll be back next week, you know, talking news and notes.
42:50And we're going to keep hacking away at the Redwood until the big tree fall hard.
42:55So from John and Jake, we appreciate everybody listening.
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