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0:40Monday, August 31st, September nearly here. Kickoff nearly here.
0:42What a weekend. And two weekends in a row where we have, one, a ton of fantasy drafts taking place and two,
0:50a ton of fantasy news that can entirely disrupt the drafts.
0:53Yeah. But that's what we're here for. You know, what's a shame is that the good news isn't ever the news that like really rocks your draft.
1:02You don't ever go into like, oh my gosh, guys, this guy's good.
1:06We found out. No, I mean, technically speaking, if you were in an IDP league this weekend did contain that news.
1:13Oh, I guess that's true. I guess that's actually true.
1:16Right? Because Aaron Donald decided to say, I'm back.
1:19That just, that doesn't happen. Dude. Doesn't happen on the offensive side.
1:2320 million dollars up to 30 million. How did they do that right before kickoff?
1:28I don't know. I like the comment that you said, which is like, I, hopefully this gives you that magical, amazing, best defensive line ever.
1:36But they almost like never, the super team never works out.
1:40But I think I saw something where the last 20 teams that were favored by this wide of a margin, like they're,
1:47they're the clear favorites for the Super Bowl. The last 20 times this has happened, they've gone 0 and 20.
1:53Not that that's shocking because the field will usually have it if you're betting on 31 out of 32 teams.
2:00But it doesn't ever, like I genuinely, I mean, I'm a Cardinals fan, kind of, but they're not a serious organization.
2:07So I'm not the, I'm like rooting for them to wreck the league.
2:11I just want, sorry everybody else, but I love the idea of those two guys just literally shutting out every team.
2:18And it won't happen. It just, the NFL, there's too much parity.
2:21Well, injuries. I mean, you got to stay healthy.
2:24And it's like asking the elder statesman, Matthew Stafford, the elder statesman, Devontae Adams, returning from.
2:30The elder statesman, Aaron Donald. Aaron Donald and then Miles Garrett.
2:33And, you know, one of those guys goes down, it changes it.
2:37But does this count as positive news? A Zach Ertz reunion with the Eagles is on the table, Jason.
2:43Oh man, that is not. Not quite where you, not Aaron Donald levels?
2:47No. That is nasty. That is, oh my gosh, is that nasty.
2:51You even like Dallas Goddard. That would be. Right.
2:54Yeah, that would actually be bad. So much going on.
2:57We have a quick question of the day, preseason takeaways.
3:01We have news and notes to cover, including our complete breakdown of a situation that we cannot provide every single answer for.
3:08But we'll have a lot of analysis for the Josh Jacobs situation.
3:12Oh boy. We'll get into mailbag questions on the show today.
3:15It is a huge week. A lot of drafts took place over the weekend.
3:20A lot more happening this upcoming Labor Day weekend.
3:23We just got done with a live show here in Phoenix on Friday night.
3:27It wasn't just a live show, Andy. That was a mega.
3:31It was out of control. If you're watching on YouTube.com slash The Fantasy Footballers.
3:35It was incredible. That was like an enshrinement ceremony.
3:38Oh my. Yeah. Jason surprised us with some shenanigans that I apparently almost ruined.
3:43You and me both, man. Yeah. I mean, we, well, I'll just let people watch it.
3:48But it's up on YouTube. You can watch the show.
3:51Humongous shout out to the 800 plus people that came out for that show.
3:56I met, I mean, we hung around as long as we could.
4:00We met tons of people with amazing stories. Met people, multiple people that came from Canada, New York.
4:06Boston. Tennessee. Yep. I didn't even get to talk to my, my family was there.
4:10All of our families were there. Met JD and Lewis.
4:14JD came from Texas, a double amputee who listened to the show throughout his entire recovery process.
4:19And, but those stories were throughout the night. I mean, we met so many amazing human beings.
4:25And it, it just gave me so much energy for this season.
4:29I think people had a good time. I think Jason had the best time.
4:33I definitely did. And, um, you know, obviously our bold predictions will be right on the money.
4:39Of course. I, I had one friend who had, they're really just things that are going to happen.
4:45I had one friend who literally, so I said some good things about the bears and they're like, did you say that because of me?
4:53Yes. Yeah. Yes. That's the only answer you could say.
4:56Of course. That was all I was thinking. I stay up at night thinking.
5:00Um, so the bold predictions episode, an extra one this week on, on the YouTube for Saturday.
5:06Instagram.com slash fantasy footballers on X. You can follow us individually at Andy Holloway at Jason Moore at FF hit man and,
5:13uh, at the FF ballers for the show. But the quick question, we did have preseason football and we just wanted to
5:20throw like, what's one kind of reaction takeaway from this final week of preseason?
5:25I think there were a few, I mean, I, I have brought up and I know that I don't have to do
5:32it, but I've brought up the fact that Kyle pits in this offense for Atlanta, I think is going to be incredible.
5:39Um, Lee slow. I mean, I, I saw that play.
5:42I mean, that's a tight end. That's not Austin Eckler trying to run down the sideline.
5:47It's a tight end who used to be fast.
5:50I like that. You, I mean, Kyle, he looked at Kyle pits looks fine.
5:55And he had a 37 yard run up the sideline and escape the defense.
5:59So it just, when you have Kyle pits is going to be great.
6:04I'm just telling you, it was more of a like young Kyle pits, but pre injury, Kyle pits houses that.
6:10And so it just kind of felt bad. Um, my, my takeaway, I wanted to bring up with just that like Chris
6:17bell wide receiver for the dolphins, like Caleb Douglas got a little bit of attention.
6:22This offense gets a lot of negative attention for how bad it's going to be.
6:27But I think Chris bell, we got to see him.
6:30I think it's a very, very good thing for the dolphins offensive potential.
6:34This is a first round talent. Chris bell, wide receiver in for the final preseason game.
6:40You start to look at that offense. Thank you.
6:43I don't know if he's earned it yet, but thank you.
6:46And you say, well, I like Malik Willis. I love Devon H and what you want from this offense is just to not be a bottom 10 offense.
6:55You know what I mean? Someone's got to do it though.
6:59And they, they might, they might be, but that is actually not true.
7:03That is actually not true. We always say that like the, Oh, it can't get worse.
7:08Someone's got it. Someone doesn't have to like, they can be in the bottom 10.
7:13Oh, I thought I mean, I thought you were saying someone has to step up for the dolphins.
7:19Oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
7:23I think Chris bell being available to this team is a big deal.
7:27And when you look at what they had on offense last year, you're like, Oh, they have nobody, right?
7:34They got nobody, but they didn't. It's not like they had Tyree kill last year.
7:38You lost Jalen Waddle. But if you have a couple of rookies that can come in and step up, if you have
7:46Greg dolcich, if you have a chance, if Malik Willis can run the football and keep them accountable, I still think they're
7:53going to surprise a little bit on office. I'm not talking about a top 10 team.
7:58I just mean middle of the pack means that a chance can be a little safer than people think Chris bell can
8:05be a little more interesting in redraft. That was one of my take.
8:09Yeah. It's awesome to see him out there. It's crazy to see him out there, how quick it progressed from like, you know, camp opens on the pop.
8:18It's not going to be ready. And then it's like, Oh, he's playing in preseason.
8:23Awesome. It's a steal for them. It absolutely could be.
8:26I don't think I'm drafting him even with my last pick in, in a redraft league, but you're keeping an eye on him.
8:34I've got three rookies as well, but just little takeaways.
8:37One is that McKay Lemon played. It's, it's similar to Chris Bell.
8:41It's like, Oh good. Now he didn't play well.
8:44He had like three catches for three yards, dropped to turn into an interception, plenty of bad publicity, but it was nice that he's healthy.
8:52He's on the field as a first round wide receiver.
8:55I'm far more confident that he will, if he's healthy, be worth a shot at a first round, at a late round redraft pick.
9:03The other ones, Xavier Thomas. Yeah. This is the four to eight wide receiver for the Chicago bears.
9:09He had a very short. He had a very short.
9:12He had a very short. Sorry. Swish. No, I loved it.
9:16I actually loved that. So he's tiny. Right. Um, uh, he has only one 90, but I guess at four to eight, one 90.
9:23So he's a thick boy, but, uh, blazing speed.
9:26He showed it, uh, for the bears. I think it's not relevant to him, but it's relevant for Caleb Williams.
9:33You know, Andy's my guy, Caleb Williams, who he believes can, can have a breakout.
9:38It's always nice to have a fourth weapon in there that can, you know, completely, you know, burn the, the, the field.
9:45Uh, and then the last one I would say on, on a less positive note, Cyrus Allen rookies had great drum beat throughout camp.
9:53Looked like he was playing exclusively with my homes.
9:56It did. You saw he was playing behind worthy rice and Taequann Thornton as a non first round draft pick.
10:02I'm more hesitant to draft those in redraft. I still like the outlook in, in dynasty for the potential there to step
10:09up, but in a redraft, I, I don't know that he starts at 70 plus percent of snaps.
10:15And if he, if he doesn't, which it looks like he's not going to, then is irrelevant for the beginning of the season.
10:23I mean, if, if he does, he's a super outlier.
10:26Oh, you don't go from a fifth round pick.
10:29Yeah. Other than Puka, I get it. But the, a fifth rounder to a week one starting type, it, it takes the
10:36course of the season for those types of players.
10:39I'm just going to highlight the rookie running backs who, um, you know, like, uh, uh, Emmett Emmett in Kansas city where,
10:46uh, Demarcato had been running as the, the backup to Kenneth Walker for kind of what felt like the majority of, of preseason and training camp.
10:54Demarcato got waved. Emmett has looked fantastic on the field.
10:58So he looks like he has, like, if you drafted him in your rookie drafts, he looks like he's already the, the true backup.
11:05He has, he has some hilarious similarities to Isaiah Pacheco when he was at his best.
11:11Hmm. When you, when you compare the way that those guys run, they run kind of a violent, aggressive runner.
11:17He has looked good. Uh, there, there were a couple of the backup running back situations that, and it seems like Pacheco
11:24in, in Detroit is all, but not involved. They're willing to go into the season with, you know, Dan Campbell said, I'm
11:31comfortable with the name of this player. I've never heard of him.
11:35Oh yeah. Say it sailors. Yeah. But so, so you got him sailor, Jerry, I think is who it was.
11:42Jacob sailor, Jacob sailors, a sailor, uh, Mike Washington.
11:45Not only does he look like the direct insurance running back to, to gente, but he looks like a player who might actually get on the field.
11:53Uh, the Adam Randall situation for Baltimore is interesting cause he was looking, yeah, he was looking very good.
12:00Rookie running back for rookie running back for the Ravens, but then they put them on the short term IR.
12:06So he won't miss the first four weeks. So it's just, you know, trying to get the landscape and, uh, oh crap.
12:13The, the Colts running back is, his name is escaping me.
12:17It's Seth McGowan. Yes. So McGowan, it looks like he is, he's the insurance back for, uh, Johnny Taylor over DJ Giddens.
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12:47I'm so excited for drafts. I haven't really like we're, we're in a slow draft right now, uh, that we're doing like a sleeper chop league.
12:55Um, I am really looking forward to drafts and thank goodness based on the news we're about to get to that.
13:02We have not drafted any of our main leagues yet.
13:05Can I, can I talk about this? I posted.
13:08So Jinty was two weeks ago, the news where we didn't know what was wrong in the middle of people's drafts.
13:15And then Jacobs was the news this weekend, which we're about to talk about.
13:20So I, I posted like, Hey, just a good reminder to draft as late as you want.
13:25I was met with a surprising amount of people who have weighed in and said that they, that I am unbelievably wrong.
13:32And the most exciting thing is to draft early and then get the news and like ride on the, be able to mock people when people get hurt.
13:41So here's, here's why you're getting that Andy 11 divided by 12 is 91.
13:46So 91% of people who did their draft are happy that they didn't get that landmine, but that's dumb.
13:52That's really objectively stupid. I was so shocked. They were like, this is the worst advice ever draft early and then have the fun of the surprise.
14:01I think if you're in a hardcore league and that's how y'all like to handle the business, that's fine.
14:07But we're talking to like a lot of real, just casual players who we want them to have fun playing fantasy football.
14:14You know, what's not fun when your second round pick moments after you draft him, you find out that they're like essentially suspended.
14:22That guy just did that. Yeah. I took Jacobs in the chopped league.
14:26So him and I are already on the block.
14:29You're both shot. Yeah. I thought that was surprising.
14:32So let's talk news. News and notes from around the league.
14:35So the headline news that took place yesterday morning was that the NFL has placed Packers running back Josh Jacobs on the commissioner's exempt list.
14:43Moments before that news broke, we got word that the Packers had traded for running back Caleb Johnson.
14:49That's all. Caleb Johnson. Which that made so much more sense.
14:53Yeah. We were like the Jacobs. Oh, Jason's just sitting covering his face.
14:57So. He can't. He can't show this smile. Caleb Johnson is your eyes giving you away.
15:02He will be a depth addition behind an injury prone Marshawn Lloyd and Chris Brooks.
15:07He's a loser. He is going to a. Caleb Johnson.
15:10Caleb Johnson is a nothing loser burger. You don't believe anything you're saying.
15:14I absolutely. I know it. I don't have to believe it.
15:18You don't even believe it. But I am just telling you, man.
15:22In a world where he redeems. Oh, man. No pants, no shirt.
15:26Are you. You're down service. I will be leaving.
15:29I will be living birthday style the rest of my days.
15:32You're down big, aren't you? You're down big. Listen, here's the story with Josh Jacobs.
15:37Yeah. And we reacted very quickly yesterday. The three of us updated UDK rankings for Marshawn Lloyd, for the entire Packers, for Josh Jacobs.
15:45The NFL. And again, this is not just. I mean, we do not know the outcome.
15:50Let me start. Correct. We do not know how long he'll be on the commissioner's exemplist.
15:55We do not know what information the NFL became privy to to put him on the list.
16:01We you can go to Drew Davenport and read everything that he has said.
16:05What we know is this. The charges came out against Josh Jacobs and they were reduced charges from the original arrest.
16:12Then the NFL went and put him on the commissioner's exemplist a few days later.
16:17We said on this show that if this video became public and it was indicting of Josh Jacobs, regardless of the charges,
16:24the names of the charges, anything of that nature, he might never play a game of football again.
16:30You know, is it a coincidence that the NFL suspended him?
16:34Put him on or I should say sorry. Yes.
16:37Put him on the commissioner's list a few days later.
16:40I don't think it's a coincidence. I think that there's more information that they have from the investigation.
16:46There have been players like Julius Peppers who were on the commissioner's exemplist for 47 days.
16:51Alvin Kamara for a shorter period of time. There are also players that have been put on the commissioner's exemplist and they don't play football ever again.
17:00Mike made the point like if he misses the year on the commissioner's exemplist, he may start next year on a six game suspension and then you're older.
17:09Does anybody want you in the league? There is a there is a I mean, I don't even want to say non zero.
17:16I feel like greater than 10 percent chance that Jacobs never plays again.
17:20What the living nightmare? Yes. You took Batman down?
17:23I'm Batman. I'm so sorry. We're talking about the most serious thing.
17:27And then I turn around and Jason Moore. Is that a Hall of Fame bust?
17:32There's a bust of Jason Moore. If you didn't see the live show, he inducted himself into the Hall of Fame and
17:39then now replaced Batman on the set. Why are you taking it?
17:43Oh, he's putting his jacket on. Oh, OK. Yeah.
17:46The gold jacket had to go. I'm sorry. I had not seen it.
17:50All right. Hall of Famer. I really should have not brought this up at this moment.
17:55No, no, no. It's good. Anyways, let's continue on serious business.
17:59So Jacob's giving you another day. Jacob's on the commissioner's list.
18:03We've seen we've seen players get put on it for a very short amount of time.
18:08We've seen players put on it that essentially took the place of their suspension.
18:12And like the time it was then. OK, this is time served.
18:16The the minimum suspension in the NFL for a domestic violence situation is six games.
18:21The case. We're just trying to lay out the facts.
18:24The case was scheduled to be heard in court.
18:27Talking about Jacobs in November. November. So we like.
18:30According to Davenport, that's going to be irrelevant to the situation.
18:34Oh, OK. So. So, yeah, I mean, I think what his belief is and what makes logical sense is that whatever this
18:41video that has not as of this recording yet hit the open market, the guess is that perhaps the NFL has seen
18:48it and they know what's coming and therefore they're getting ahead of it, putting them on the exempt list.
18:54If that video happens, a la Ray Rice, it could be the situation where we say people don't want to deal with it.
19:02He'll be gone this year. He'll start the season suspended at an older age and be done.
19:07However, on the other side, so Connor Allen put out a tweet just showing some of the commissioner's exempt list history.
19:14AP got 15. It was on there for 15 games.
19:17Greg Hardy, 15 games. Reuben Foster, five. Kareem Hunt, five games.
19:21Jabril Pepper, seven games. So there is a wide range of outcomes here.
19:25I've also seen people say, is Josh Jacobs worth a last round pick?
19:29Like, is it even? And I would say, sure, I think at that point we don't know enough right now.
19:36And your last round picks are so low hit rates that should, you know that if Josh Allen, Josh Jacobs plays football
19:43as a starting running back for the Packers this year is going to be valuable.
19:48Yeah, but then he's on your, I mean, how long is he going to, are you okay with Josh Jacobs taking real estate on your bench?
19:56Because you can't IR him. At least for right now, while we gather more information, I am.
20:02So we went in, Marshawn Lloyd is kind of in that RB 24 to 30 range right now in our rankings with
20:09plenty of variability based on Jacobs availability. He has first round talent.
20:13He's got the ability. He hasn't stayed healthy. It's a good offense.
20:17So, you know, people that were, I mean, I had, I had a funny story from a friend who was in the
20:24middle of their draft when this news broke. They saw my video that I released on our Instagram, just sharing my immediate thoughts.
20:31They played it too loud from their seat. And the next person in the draft, the head of him drafted Marshawn Lloyd.
20:38Instantaneously. Oh no. Right ahead of them in the draft.
20:42So, um, yeah, it's, you know. So yeah, Marshawn Lloyd is slotting in around, uh, like I, I have him about running
20:49back 24 trying to figure it out. The role is so incredibly valuable.
20:53Like if Marshawn Lloyd is as good as the Green Bay Packers hoped he was when they drafted him multiple years ago
21:00in the third round, then I mean, that's, that's absurd.
21:03Like he will be awesome for fantasy football. There's just, it's, it's a complete unknown.
21:08Everything, everything with Lloyd and Jacobs is just how much risk are you willing to tolerate because we don't have true answers.
21:15What's funny is I saw, and this was, this was a couple of weeks ago, which is ironic.
21:21The timing, obviously we don't know what the teams know well ahead, well in advance of us.
21:27But a lot of the arguments I've made for Jordan Mason about going to the vertical wide zone and how it fits his play style.
21:35Some of that has happened with the Packers as well.
21:38They've been doing more of that wide zone look and their beat reporters are like, I don't understand how Josh Jacobs fits
21:45into this because it's not his play style. Whereas Marshawn Lloyd has been really excelling and can't put that.
21:51Caleb Johnson also fits that style. So I, I, I do think the offense fits Marshawn Lloyd.
21:57If, if his meat can stay intact, no, don't say tender.
22:00That's we, we, you know, here's what I don't think the Packers are.
22:05I don't think that they add Caleb Johnson moments before this news comes down.
22:09If they know the outcome of the news, I don't think that they have enough.
22:14If they thought that Jacobs would just be off the list in a week, I don't think you do.
22:20Agreed. So there, this is what you do. You have to kind of break down the situation based on the evidence you
22:27have, um, and, and see where it goes. And that's where we're at with, with Jacobs and Lloyd and Chris Brooks and Caleb.
22:35And ultimately I think that there was a, there, there are some that believe as I am one of them, that this
22:42team was going to be a little bit more balanced, use their wide receiver core that is now, you know, healthy.
22:49And Jordan love to me is sneaky. I mean, there are just, he's a very, very, very good player.
22:55But if you run the ball and you're number one in that, and you're 28th and passing, you can't get the volume you need from Jordan love.
23:04If they're more balanced, there's the potential for a big season from him.
23:08The touchdowns as well. My big issue with Jordan love for fantasy football, since he doesn't run is he's got to throw for 35 touchdowns.
23:16He can, but he doesn't because Josh Jacobs is so good around the goal line.
23:21I actually changed some of these up to where I, I'm, I bumped Tucker craft, uh, Matthew golden and Christian Watson up
23:28in the touchdown department, because I think he, I think it makes sense.
23:32Like when you get in the red zone, you're going to be throwing more than running without Josh Jacobs.
23:38So it's good for love and good for some of those receiving options.
23:43And just a reminder, three years ago, Jordan love was the quarterback five for fantasy football at just under 19 points per game.
23:50Um, then Josh Jacobs shows up for the past two years and it goes way down.
23:55And part of Jordan love success in the, in that season where he was a QB five for rushing touchdowns.
24:02Like this was a part of what they did.
24:05Yeah. He had a period of time that he played where he was coming off of an injury where you should not
24:12extrapolate anything in his rushing totals for that season because he wasn't able to run.
24:17They weren't allowing him to run. He's an athletic guy is.
24:20Um, and I should add if it needs to be stated because I saw somebody dropped Marshawn Lloyd to sign Caleb Johnson.
24:27Don't do that. Please understand that Marshawn Lloyd is far and away the back to roster there.
24:33And then Brooks is the next man up. Caleb is, is depth.
24:37It doesn't mean he won't have an opportunity. I think it'll be Brooks and Caleb behind Lloyd.
24:42Lloyd gets hurt. That's the situation. Uh, did you want to add?
24:46Yeah. Last thing, because I think this is what people are really wanting to know is we talk about the round, but
24:53I want to give some names to Marshawn Lloyd and ask, are you drafting this person or Marshawn Lloyd?
24:59Yeah. Gone. Are you drafting, um, Ramondre Stevenson or Marshawn Lloyd?
25:03Ramondre. Ramondre. Are you drafting Tony Pollard or Marshawn Lloyd?
25:06Marshawn Lloyd. Are you drafting Jadarian Price? Price. Price.
25:09That's, that's like right where he is for me.
25:12That's close. That's right. I think they're back to back in my rankings and that's really close.
25:18I probably go Lloyd based on what I think is going to happen, but that's your risk aversion.
25:23If you want to be safe with like production, but not that level of upside, go Tootin.
25:29Yeah. Cause it's the Green Bay Packers running back.
25:32The Green Bay Packers starting running back can be a top 12 player if they get the work.
25:38It's funny cause every single team in that division, that's the truth.
25:42The only problem. The Vikings. Yep. The Lions. Yeah.
25:44The Bears and the Packers. It's a great division.
25:47That division's outrageous. The biggest problem for Marshawn Lloyd is what if he gets the work?
25:53Like if you give him the work, can he hold up?
25:56All right. We got to take a break and we'll get into some more news.
26:01Some of it good. Some of it unfortunate as we seem to get this time of year.
26:07I'm going to law school. I just signed up.
26:09I registered online. It will be a digital degree, but I'm going.
26:13Keenan Allen arrested on Sunday morning, charged with DWI and DWI endangering a person.
26:18And this will not affect Keenan Allen this year.
26:21Seems unlikely. The legal situation will not be figured out until the end of the year.
26:26That's via Drew Devenport as well. He was also under .8 and not driving the vehicle.
26:31He was in a parked vehicle. It is still a DWI.
26:35I'm not excusing it. I'm just stating the situation.
26:38The anticipation there from those that are more knowledgeable and have completed their online legal degrees is that this will get pled
26:45down to something innocuous and go away. Aaron Donald returning.
26:48We talked about that. Sean Tucker agreed to a one-year deal.
26:52Did not get cut. This is so sad. Sean Tucker had a $3.5 million deal.
26:57And then they, at the end of the training camp, said, you can have nothing or $2.5 million.
27:02This man deserves so much more than what the Bucs are doing to them.
27:07It's really kind of sad. I mean, he's, I don't know.
27:10I don't agree. You don't? I don't because he chose to sign with them before the season.
27:16He did not have demand from other teams. He could have found, like.
27:20He was tendered. Was he tendered? All this meat and tendering.
27:24I'm getting hungry. He was tendered, which means that they.
27:27He didn't have a choice. They claimed him. And then they're like, hmm.
27:31Well, now that there's no jobs available. Yeah, but he was tendered at what level?
27:36I mean, any team could have come out and fought them for him.
27:40I'm guessing $3.5 million. No, I'm talking about pick level.
27:44Oh. Yeah, because there's a pick compensation if someone comes and takes it.
27:48I'm just saying a team could have come and saved him.
27:51That's all. It just stinks that the human had to be like.
27:55Like, for instance, let me put it this way.
27:58How great would it be to go to Matt, the Falcon, and be like, dude.
28:03Oh, my gosh. We want to cut your salary by 25%.
28:07And you get to keep working here, but we just don't want to pay you as much.
28:12Could you imagine that? Because I would love it.
28:15But I don't think we'd do it. Yeah, it's tough in the streets.
28:19NFL running backs, it's, you know, in the Buccaneers defense, maybe they got play from another depth running back, and they, you
28:26know, you don't know what conversations took place in the preseason where they're like, hey, here's your 3.5, but fight for it.
28:34I don't know. Tons of roster cuts. Say goodbye.
28:36Everyone start waving right now, and I'm going to say names while you wave.
28:41Will Levis. See you. Jaden Blue. Phil Moffa. This is interesting.
28:45The Cowboys waved all of their backup running backs other than Malik Davis.
28:49Did you not have Davis as the two already?
28:52I did. I did, but I figured at least Moffa or Jaden Blue would hang around.
28:57Demarcato waved by the Chiefs. Jaleel McLaughlin waved by the Broncos.
29:00Yay. Jonah Coleman. Damian Pierce was waved by the Eagles.
29:04Also related, Damian Pierce was with the Eagles. Yeah.
29:07Greg Dortch left the Lions. We thought maybe he'd have a role there.
29:11Jalen Hyatt, goodbye. OBJ is a member of the Giants.
29:14He's a member of the Giants, and the player that had his number is no longer on the Giants.
29:20I 100% noticed. Hyatt. Those seem conspicuous. Here's a big one.
29:24Zach Charbonnet will remain on the pup to start the season.
29:27You're going to get Jadarian Price as the lead back, mixing in with a heavy dose of Helani.
29:33This is a humongous opportunity for Jadarian Price to, quote, establish it.
29:37Yeah. I mean, we're going to see out the gate day one whether or not he is good enough to hold off
29:44an undrafted free agent who has touched the ball like 25 times in his career.
29:49Hope he is. He should be. I'm not too worried about Helani.
29:53I'm getting more and more bullish on just the opportunity around Jadarian Price.
29:57He wasn't my favorite prospect coming in, but I mean, it's a layup of obvious upside.
30:02Jordan Tyson on IR to start the year. Yeah.
30:05Tank Dell on IR to start the year. James Conner, Christian Kirk.
30:09The James Conner one going to the IR, I would imagine that is, I mean, you have to put him on there
30:16if he's hurt, but it's like the moves they have made where they waived Trey Benson injured and now Conner with this.
30:23Jeremiah Love with his ankle, probably good to go.
30:26Puka Nakua returned to practice on Sunday, was dealing with the hip flexor.
30:31Puka also was not placed on the commissioner's exempt list, which is noteworthy in light of kind of, you know, this was the time to do it.
30:39But Todd Bowles reported that Emeka Ibuka, he's hopeful, will be ready for week one.
30:44I am at this level with Ibuka. This is a bummer.
30:48Because turf toe, for one, it takes longer than you think to get better from.
30:53Two, it can recur. Three, you don't produce at the same level as when you're not recovering from it.
30:59Four, he didn't play well through injuries last year.
31:02Yes. It would have been my four. Yeah. But I appreciate it.
31:06Yeah. I mean, you're right. All of those things, again, Chris Godwin is undrafted or late round.
31:11Pay attention to him. But I think they're, I mean, McMillan is hurt as well.
31:16Yeah. Uh-huh. I mean, it's right to say, yeah, I got an opportunity.
31:20Yeah. I mean, Ted Hurst. A pack of chainsaw.
31:23Yeah. I mean, the opportunity is there for Ted Hurst to start the year.
31:28We'll see how much they lean on the running game.
31:31And Luther Burden looks 100%, according to Ben Johnson.
31:34Huzzah. That's great. Good news. You guys want to do some mailbag and see if we can answer some more questions?
31:41I feel like. Let's try. I feel like all we have is questions, Mike.
31:45Just a world of questions. Yep. Hopefully we get some answers.
31:49Mailbag. Mailbag. Yeah. Mail. Mail. Visit the site and click submit a question.
31:53If you have a question for the show, thefantasyfootballers.com, dial the voicemail hotline.
31:57302-464-TFFB. We'll kick off today's mailbag with a voicemail.
32:00Hey, ballers. This is Jameson from good old Alabama.
32:03I was just wondering if the legendary Wandale Robinson could actually be the wide receiver one in Tennessee this season over Tate.
32:10He is a Jedi after all. Thank you. Thank you, fellas.
32:14First of all, incredible call. Pretty good. I didn't know if it was a bit at first.
32:19I think it was real. It was real. And could Wandaille, let's say the percentage chance we think Wandaille could end up
32:26as the fantasy wide receiver one for the hopefully Carnell Tate led Tennessee Titans.
32:31I have my percentage down. What do you guys think?
32:34I'm going 15. 15. I go 35. Oh, higher.
32:37I wrote three. Okay. Okay. I mean, it's a vast minority in any of our not- It's like the full PPR, I guess the odds change.
32:46But- I will say this. If he is the wide receiver one for that team, it's not- Things have gone terribly wrong.
32:53It's not going to be like, oh, so then Wandaille's a great value and dominated.
32:58No, then that team is not the team that they were hoping to be.
33:02There is absolutely a world where Wandaille is useful for fantasy.
33:06Sure. Yeah. I think it's better. It's better. Wandaille has a better season for fantasy if Tate is good.
33:12Not if Wandaille's the one. Yeah, yeah. All right.
33:15Missy in South Carolina writing in about a chopped league, which by the way, we're in the middle of our second season drafting that right now.
33:23I'm trying a chopped league for the first time.
33:26Would you please speak to draft strategy and how to use and save fab?
33:31A chopped league is the same as like a guillotine league.
33:34It basically means we have, in our league, there's 18 different teams to match up with the amount of weeks in the season.
33:42Every week, the lowest scoring team gets chopped. See you later.
33:45You're gone. Goodbye. And all your players go to free agency and then you can pick them up.
33:51I don't know if you guys have, this will be fun because I don't know what strategies we go through.
33:58Yeah, we're still pretty new to the format. I know that my initial strategy going into the year has been like, I am not drafting Josh Jacobs, right?
34:07Right. I'm drafting players that I know. Players that I know with certainty have opportunities to start the year and high opportunities.
34:14So that's kind of the direction I went is that I'm guaranteed production from my starters to begin the year.
34:20But fab strategy is another discussion too. I would say early in the draft, I like, I really like having workhorse running backs.
34:28I'll take them over really good wide receivers simply because we talk about it a lot.
34:33Wide receivers, even really good, you know, top six wide receivers.
34:37They're not nearly as consistent as running backs. They'll have their big boom games and then they'll have games where they just don't score a lot.
34:45And all you need to do in a chopped league is not have the least amount of points.
34:51Did you turn my Hall of Fame bust around?
34:54You did. Sir, disrespectful of a Hall of Famer.
34:57It's too close to my head on the video.
35:00But so I do prefer earlier running backs. And then I don't mind taking a quarterback.
35:05If there's a really good quarterback, I don't mind pulling the trigger a little earlier because, again, you just need a lot
35:12of points to not finish last for those first few weeks.
35:15And the best advice I can give of what is happening.
35:19Are you laughing at the statue? I'm sorry. Do you want to finish the point and then I'll tell you why I'm laughing?
35:26Sure. It was going to be good. Save your fab in the beginning.
35:31I know it's so tempting to go all in and then you get a ton of, you know, you get that guy for the whole year.
35:39But if you're going to win the league, you really need to hold on to money for a while in your fab.
35:46So I'm looking at your, and this is not for the audio audience very much, but I'm looking at this bust of
35:53Jason Moore, which he inducted himself into the Hall of Fame on Saturday.
35:58Go watch it. It was a good time. YouTube.com.
36:01And people have asked us, was that a bit?
36:03No. Well, I mean. It was a bit. For sure.
36:07Was that a bit that Mike and I were aware of?
36:10No. In fact, like I almost like, apparently like they had this hiding backstage and I almost unveiled it.
36:16You literally touched it and started to take the sheet up.
36:20And I was like, Jer, Jer. Here's why I was laughing.
36:24I was like, this is too close to me.
36:26I miss Batman. Right? So I'm like, well, maybe Jason wants it back behind him.
36:31Uh huh. Yeah. Or you were trying to put it on the fake shelf.
36:36I actually put them on the shelf behind him because I it's, there's nothing there.
36:41Papa Josh can attest. I came in this morning and started laughing.
36:45I did the exact same thing. My plan was to put them on the shelf behind me.
36:50And I walked in here and went, wait, those are fake.
36:54You'll have to digitize him. Yeah. Oh, good. That we can do.
36:58Mike, any other thoughts on the chop situation? Just the like, optimally, you need to have some, some fab at the end.
37:05And in terms of how much do you bid on players?
37:08Our league was all over the place. Like you'd have weeks where it seemed like desperation spread wildly.
37:14It's there was weeks where it's like, oh, there's not really someone who should be, uh, uh, worth a ton of fab
37:21and then a ton of fab gets spent on them.
37:25And then the next week you're like, oh my gosh, this superstar goes for way cheaper.
37:30It's people are still trying to figure it out.
37:33I don't know that there's like a, a boiler plate of this is the strat at the end.
37:39You want to have some, it's the one place people ask us, do we care about by weeks?
37:44That is a place that it is a major impact.
37:48Teams got regularly chopped on weeks that their stars had by weeks.
37:51Jonathan Taylor's week. It happened all the time. And, and like, you don't know, I think this is part of it.
37:58There's a lot of managers, but you don't know who's feeling the pinch and afraid.
38:03Like you get it in, you look at your roster and you go, man, I got these two players on by.
38:10I am in so much trouble next week if I don't spend.
38:14And then they spend more than you expect. Um, that was the league where Brock Bowers became a curse.
38:20Yeah. That was, I guess signing him. I don't know if this is prescriptive or not, but so Brock Bowers, you know, frequently hurt last year.
38:28So people kept trying to buy low, so to speak of like, Oh, I'm going to, I'm going to get them on
38:36my, my roster here while he's hurt. And then when he comes back, it's going to be amazing.
38:41I'm going to have Brock Bowers. And then that team would just get cut.
38:46It was very, it was, it was the ring.
38:49They watched the tape. I will say that as a side league, it was a great, as a side league, very, very fun.
38:56It was just a different vibe. I, you just feel like it was, it was just fun through and through.
39:03There was something consequential every week. Somebody you make fun of robustly.
39:07My every week, my favorite part of this league.
39:10And it's so delightful. Oh, I know what you're going to say.
39:14I was all in. It was important to me every single week.
39:17It was important. It was like, Oh, I just made the cut.
39:21Oh, the waivers. It's fun. What's my lineup going to be?
39:25The first week I was out, I made it, I don't know, halfway, three quarters away through the season or whatever.
39:32As soon as you were out, I just didn't care anymore.
39:35Like I didn't, it was like, it was gone.
39:38It was off my play. It was great. I think for us in a lot of big leagues doing this full time,
39:45that was a relief to be able to say, I'm either all in or all out.
39:51This question comes in from Instagram. How do you decide between drafting value for team need when you're at the turn or for team need?
39:59I'm sorry. Drafting value or team need when you're at the turn.
40:03The implication being, if you're at the turn, you've got a long wait.
40:07You don't necessarily, I think that's the position where it's the most difficult to trust ADP, right?
40:12Because you have to wait for such a long time.
40:16If you, you know, you have to either reach or pray.
40:19Yeah. I don't, I don't, I mean, obviously value is going to drop to you and you're going to know, oh, look, I can't believe this guy fell.
40:28Great. Scoop him up. But in general, I'm not going by ADP value when I'm at the turn.
40:34I'm going by what player do I want? I never ever, you just can't play the game.
40:40I mean, you can, you can say, hey, around round eight, these type of players are usually there at this position, but
40:47you can't play the game throughout your draft of like, oh, I hope this guy makes it back to me that you're
40:54maybe considering with this pick not going to happen in any kind of competent league.
40:59So you just have to genuinely say of all the players that are in, you know, wide range, who do I genuinely
41:06believe scores the most points for a position I need?
41:09All right. We'll take a break. Come back with some more questions.
41:13Still good on all that news. Nothing else crazy happening.
41:16Not seeing anything right now. Nobody else getting cut that we didn't expect or something like that.
41:22We'll let you know. All right. Mar Chod comes or writes in from X.
41:26Have you seen any indications that the year of Mike is officially over?
41:30He achieved such a godly level last year that I'm scared to bet against him this year.
41:36Any signs would help? You should be. Getting a wrong Starbucks order, T-shirt with a spaghetti stain, anything like it.
41:42Did you, in life, Mike, are there some signs potentially that we've noticed, Jason, or that, Mike, you've noticed?
41:49Like, have you, you know, your shoes untied? You thought you tied it.
41:53And any reason to believe that you may be heading for more of an average year?
41:58Is just believing in sanity and mathematics. Like, that was- Turn to the mean.
42:03Yeah. I mean, I probably have to, but- Was that you're compensating for any, like, other things going on?
42:09Oh, personal life's a disaster. There's also, you know, last year- You've been building your house a while.
42:15Maybe that was the payoff. Last year, you know, it was a great year for Mike.
42:20You had the Ring of Honor twice. Yeah. He got usurped already this year, so there's a sign.
42:26You don't know what bothers me is that I know Mike.
42:29Mike has his stuff. I mean, Mike has his things he's never going to escape, and it's going to be things like Ben Sinnott.
42:37Yeah. And his favorite players are his favoritest. But he's been ridiculously reasonable with some of these guys that he was just
42:44all over the moon with last year that I tend to believe him.
42:48Mm-hmm. And I hate that about myself. Yeah, you should.
42:52You should, definitely. Oh, it's so frustrating. I understand.
42:54We haven't seen enough signs. Jason inducting himself to his own Hall of Fame- It's just a start.
43:00Is a start. It's so funny. Well, I mean, number one, the bit was- Yeah, you being out shenaniganed is good.
43:07The bit was incredible. Pulled off flawlessly. Neither Andy and I knew what was going on.
43:12And at the same time, because the- I don't think this came up because of the Eagles owner, was it?
43:19No. No. It was already happening. Because this happened the day after your second ring of honor.
43:24I went, okay. I'm going Hall of Fame. What's an important show?
43:282000? Oh, the live show. Yeah, it was incredibly well done.
43:32But then the owner getting put into- Jeffrey Lurie.
43:35Is like both Andy and I had the exact same idea.
43:38It went in my head. I'm like, could I pull off a third ring of honor at the live show?
43:45And I was like, ah, no. I let it go.
43:48And then I think Andy, turns out you were planning a bit for today.
43:53I came to the whole team last week when you guys were gone.
43:57And I go out there. And little do I know that this thing's been planned for six months.
44:03And Al, feel free to weigh in. I came to you and I was like, hey, I got this great idea now that Jeffrey Lurie did this.
44:11You sure did. And my face probably went white.
44:14Everybody in the office apparently heard me. We had a group chat.
44:18We had a group chat about this with basically everybody except you two.
44:22And I'm getting gifts from Schneider, the sweat gifts.
44:25He's in the other room. It's like, oh my God, what's happening?
44:29And I think it was a great relief that I did not come up with it as an idea for the live show.
44:37Yeah, eventually I just said, when are you planning on doing this?
44:41And he said, I don't know, next week, top of the week.
44:44And I was like, oh, I'm on it. Sounds good.
44:48I'm on it. I said, I was just really stressed you were going to try to add it to the live show.
44:55And I think we wouldn't have time to get it together and it would fall flat.
45:00Oh my gosh. You were going to give me all the reasons.
45:04And I was going to be like, why? Why, Jeremy?
45:07This is such a good idea. I was terrified that I was going to let on to something or that you already knew.
45:15Part of me thought you might have already known and that's why you were planning that.
45:20I did not, but it was a great moment.
45:23My kids didn't believe me that you guys didn't know.
45:26They're like, no, they knew. No, that's what my family did too.
45:30They're like, you knew about that, right? And we're like, if anybody knows Mike at all, you could tell Mike didn't know.
45:37Because Mike was so bothered regularly. Every 15 seconds, he got another wave of, I hate this.
45:43Matt writing in, what do you guys do when you're on the clock and there's nobody you like on the board?
45:49I mean, that's a funny question. You get sad.
45:52You scroll. I mean, usually when you're at that point where there's nobody you like, you're later in the draft.
45:59And at that point, I think you, honestly, like if you've got whatever your resources for us, it's the UDK.
46:05I scroll and I look for the players that I've pre-marked.
46:09And sometimes they're too far, you know, it's like, wow, do I really pull the trigger here?
46:14And it depends on how late you are. If I'm like rounds nine or later, ADP doesn't matter that much to me at that point.
46:22It's all just crapshoots. And if I believe someone should be drafted here and they're three rounds later, you know, I'm willing.
46:30I still would rather wait another round and get more value.
46:33But I think that's my first thing I look for is who do I have either cued or highlighted in my UDK
46:40that I don't want to forget about. If it's an in-person draft, that's often the time that somebody puts that pick on the trading block.
46:48Yeah, but if you're online, I would say go look at a different position.
46:53Like, do you have your quarterback yet? If you're not liking any of the players, because this happens in like round seven.
47:00I'm not really feeling any of these guys. Okay, well, what's happened at the quarterback position?
47:05Or start looking at just rookies that you can see a very clear path for quick success.
47:11Or if all else fails, just start taking those really high-profile insurance running backs.
47:15High-powered pros. Yeah, I couldn't figure out which word I wanted to say, but it's like Tank Bigsby.
47:21Tank Bigsby should be drafted in 100% of leagues.
47:24It's just where is the appropriate spot. So you take a player where you're just waiting in case Saquon Barkley gets injured.
47:31But it's like that, like Kalen Black. You know, there's players where they're not a day one impact on your roster, but crazy stuff happens every week.
47:40Tanner in Canada. High-baller is not a fantasy question, but who decides what bobbleheads are on the table during the show?
47:47I think that's the Falcon, right? I think it's mostly the Falcon.
47:51That is correct. Okay. I will say he decides through one other method, which is he picks ones that he hasn't already broken.
47:58Fair. Where's Arian Foster? Where's my Arian Foster ball head?
48:01Oh, you're Arian Foster? Where is that one? He had an ankle injury.
48:06Ankle? His head didn't pop off? No, he's got his head.
48:09Okay. All right. How did he get the ankle injury?
48:12Uh. I plead the fifth. I got a poop.
48:15He stepped off of the curb wrong. We've all done that.
48:19But yeah, he picks them out. It used to be Brooks when he was in the office.
48:24And Brooks was meticulous with his, like, nobody probably noticed, but the first eight years of the show, he always tried to
48:32pick guys that, like, slightly thematically match what we were talking about.
48:35100%. Which maybe you do as well. Try to.
48:38Yeah. Yeah. And then you just punish. Like Randy Moss.
48:42Like, you know, we're going to be talking about Randy Moss.
48:45Randy Moss is always welcome to the table. Straight cash, homie.
48:49Today is Jinty, Mahomes, Moss, and Lamar. But. Sure.
48:52We will accept any and all bobblehead donations. And if they're good and not broken by Matt, we'll put them on the desk.
48:59See, if you were real thoughtful, you would have just put out four Hall of Famers.
49:04You know. Is that what you think? Oh, because of you.
49:08Yeah. I didn't. You're going to really. The. I think it's come into mind right now.
49:13You're going to really milk this thing. Just today.
49:16Just today. I'll put the jacket away after today.
49:19And Batman comes back. I don't know. We'll see.
49:22Okay. All right. It is a pretty good 3D print there, dude.
49:26Yeah. I will say this. There were a few Colonel Sanders.
49:29That was what I was going to say. A couple of people were like, why does your bus look like Colonel Sanders?
49:36And I'm like, yeah, I get it. It kind of does look a lot like a Colonel Sanders.
49:42It's a beard, not a goatee. But at the same time, it's got some healthy.
49:47Yeah, I can be on the set now. There we go.
49:51Perfect. All right. We're going to say goodbye. That's the end of this show.
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