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Late-Round Perspectives: Dave Richard

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1 hr 4 min
Duration
Estimated from transcript
Oct 2, 2026
Published
Fri, October 2, 2026
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Player insights
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Players mentioned
Topics
Brian Thomas Jr.Marvin Harrison Jr.Brock BowersKalif RaymondColston LovelandKeaton MitchellLuther BurdenQuentin JohnstonTrey McBrideAaron JonesBraelon AllenBreece HallCaleb DouglasCaleb Williams
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Aaron Jones

NegativeRole63:40

JJ Zachariason notes Aaron Jones is currently the featured back but expresses uncertainty about whether he will retain the role when Jordan Mason returns from injury.

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Braelon Allen

PositiveValue37:00

Allen is preferred over Ollie Gordon and Jalen Wright on the waiver wire. He offers chunk weeks and immediate wins rather than spreading thin points across many games. Currently ranked as an RB2 this week in a decent matchup, Allen provides better value for fantasy managers seeking immediate production.

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Breece Hall

PositiveValue64:05

JJ Zachariason groups Breece Hall with Jordan Mason as a buy-low candidate, noting he's in a similar injury-discount situation but will likely cost more to acquire than Mason.

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Brian Thomas Jr.

NegativeMatchup10:00

JJ Zachariason got off Brian Thomas completely in August after doing schedule analysis. Thomas faced good corner after good corner in his early schedule, and on top of that, he was not playing in heavy personnel, creating an even worse situation for him. Schedule analysis and personnel usage were tiebreakers that helped identify Thomas as a fade.

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NegativeRole42:12

Brian Thomas Jr. is in the exact same boat as Marvin Harrison Jr.; he is running downfield and can draw coverage away, but JJ Zachariason sees no clear motivation for Jacksonville to trade him. Thomas is in year three of his rookie deal, giving Jacksonville no incentive to move him unless offered something substantial.

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NegativeProjection42:22

JJ Zachariason expresses doubt about Brian Thomas Jr.'s long-term ceiling in Jacksonville, stating he doesn't know if Thomas is ever going to amount to anything huge there; while Thomas has talent and overcame physical limitations last season, he is still working through those physical limitations this season.

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NegativeRole74:02

Jacksonville's offense has evolved to a point where they are not reliant on BTJ from week to week; there will be weeks where they use him and try to get him the football, but the offense is no longer dependent on his production.

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NegativeMatchup74:11

Against Cincinnati, a two high-scoring team matchup, BTJ may see increased involvement; however, if he draws DJ Turner in coverage or cloud coverage, it opens opportunities for Parker Washington and Kobe Myers instead. JJ Zachariason prefers those two receivers over BTJ for this specific week.

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NegativeBust75:22

There have been multiple rumors about Jacksonville trading BTJ and moving on from him; JJ Zachariason notes there's been more smoke around BTJ trade speculation than around Marvin Harrison Jr., suggesting potential organizational uncertainty about his role.

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Brock Bowers

NegativeInjury41:32

JJ Zachariason notes health concerns around Bowers that made him prefer Cole McBride; Bowers had questions about his health status that McBride did not face, making McBride an easier roll in comparison.

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PositiveProjection41:49

Despite health concerns, JJ Zachariason acknowledged the gap in ADP for Bowers and could foresee a monster season from him, which was part of his reasoning for not being as heavy into McBride; however, given how things have gone, he now accepts the case for McBride over Bowers rest of season.

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NegativeInjury42:08

Bowers had health questions and injury concerns that made him a less attractive option than Trey McBride for the rest of the season, contributing to McBride being the safer and more reliable tight end choice.

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Caleb Douglas

NegativeRole33:30

Douglas is a receiving option in the Dolphins' quick-game attack under Malik Willis, ranking second or third in target priority behind Malik Washington and competing with Greg Dulcich for intermediate receiving work.

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Caleb Williams

NegativeRole20:08

Williams has a tendency to hold the ball and run rather than get it out quickly, which is part of his DNA from his entire football life. While he was injured and may become more efficient, he's unlikely to dramatically change his play style to consistently get the ball out in 2.5 seconds instead of 3.5 seconds—it's a big mental shift. Coaches want him to be who he is (Superman-type player), and Ben Johnson will lean into that, but Williams needs to be more efficient and accurate for the Bears' receivers to produce consistently.

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Chase Brown

PositiveValue62:00

JJ Zachariason identifies Chase Brown as a buy-low candidate; notes that owners are likely unhappy with his return so far this season, creating a discount opportunity for acquiring him in trades.

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Colston Loveland

NegativeRole21:30

Richard and sources indicated preseason that the Bears offense would revolve around Colston Loveland, leading to him being drafted in the top 40 picks. However, the offense has not played out that way. Loveland has been miscast in his role; Kalief Raymond has emerged as the primary target instead. Richard notes that people victory-lapping Loveland's fade are sticking with preseason priors rather than dealing with the reality of his limited role.

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NegativeRole25:00

Loveland is one of the Bears' receivers with elite talent or scheme fit, but he's not expected to see the same volume as Raymond and Burden in the quick-hitting Ben Johnson offense. The Bears have an 'embarrassment of riches' at receiver, and defenses will pick their poison; Loveland and A.D. Dunze are likely to see lesser coverage as defenses focus on Raymond and Burden.

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Drake Maye

NegativeProjection18:45

Richard had Drake Maye ranked as his number three quarterback preseason and drafted him in round six or seven in expert leagues as a value pick. After Maye was terrible in week one and AJ Brown went down, Richard threw out all preseason priors and went into panic mode, acquiring a different starting quarterback before week two in every league with Maye. Maye is now benched or on waivers.

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Greg Dulcich

NegativeRole33:30

Dulcich is the second or third option in the Dolphins' quick-game passing attack when Malik Willis is distributing. He's behind Malik Washington in target priority but ahead of or tied with Caleb Douglas for secondary receiving work.

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J.K. Dobbins

NegativeBust61:05

JJ Zachariason expresses concern about JK Dobbins' early-season performance, noting he has not looked effective and frequently attempts to cut outside without success; cites this as a key worry about his current fantasy outlook.

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James Conner

PositiveRole58:10

JJ Zachariason views James Connor as a potential late-round value play if he can return from injury; notes he's on the last year of his Cardinals deal and suggests the team's weak running game could create opportunity for him once healthy. Caveat: uncertain if he'll return to prior form, but projects better than current Cardinals backfield alternatives.

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Jarquez Hunter

PositiveSleeper34:50

Hunter is intriguing as a potential Dolphins back to monitor once Gordon and Wright underperform. The Dolphins acquired him, and Sean McVay's draft picks typically warrant a second look. JJ Zachariason's prospect model liked Hunter coming out of college. Once Gordon and Wright 'poop out,' Hunter could get a chance, though he'll likely produce around 7 PPR points per game given the Dolphins' offensive limitations.

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Jaylen Wright

NegativeBust34:30

Wright is exciting but historically follows a pattern where the starter returns and he loses opportunity. Even if that doesn't happen, the Dolphins' offensive coaching staff is not creative enough to turn Wright into a Devonte Henry-level producer, especially if he's mixing carries with Ollie Gordon. The Dolphins' weak offense and limited red-zone work (inside the five twice in three games) limit his ceiling.

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Jeremiyah Love

PositiveRole40:27

The Arizona offense is evolving and the Cardinals have realized what they have in Jeremiah Love; he is expected to carry the team's offense against the Giants this week, suggesting an increased role and usage going forward.

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Jordan Mason

PositiveValue63:00

JJ Zachariason recommends Jordan Mason as a buy-low candidate if you can wait out his injury; expects him to be discounted by current owners who cannot use him, and projects he will retain value when he returns despite Aaron Jones' current role.

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Josh Downs

PositiveProjection66:30

JJ Zachariason makes a bold projection that Josh Downs will be a top-15 wide receiver this week and doubles down with an even bolder long-term take: that Downs will be the number-one receiver in fantasy for the next four years.

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Justin Herbert

NegativeProjection47:52

JJ Zachariason recommends dropping Justin Herbert in 12-team leagues. After reviewing week three film against Buffalo, Herbert demonstrates poor coverage recognition, throwing easily intercepted deep balls; his fourth-quarter interception reflects inability to read coverage. Herbert is also staring down another season without adequate offensive line protection and a new offensive coordinator, which may be affecting his decision-making and causing him to try too much.

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Kalif Raymond

PositiveRole19:13

Raymond is at worst a number three receiver in the Bears offense; he's been picked up in all of JJ Zachariason's leagues and is fine to start given the Bears' offensive strength and Ben Johnson's play-calling genius. With Case Keenum getting the ball out quickly, Raymond's low air-yards-of-target and speed profile make him a candidate for short targets similar to Luther Burden's role.

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PositiveBreakout21:30

Richard calls Kalief Raymond a year-10 breakout. Raymond is running on 70% of Bears drop backs with a 26% target-per-route-run rate and catching over 90% of his targets. Richard attributes Raymond's emergence to his long tenure in Ben Johnson's system, his route-running ability, and his speed. Raymond is at worst a number three receiver and has been picked up in all of Richard's leagues. The preseason narrative around Colston Loveland and Luther Burden being the primary targets was a miscast of their roles.

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PositiveBreakout21:55

Raymond's early-season production (15 PPR points per game through three weeks) draws a comp to Russell Gauge in 2020 (Falcons with Julio Jones, Calvin Ridley, Hayden Hurst), who was drafted late but had early-round teammates and maintained 9–11 PPR points per game as a WR3–5 despite not sustaining his hot start. Raymond likely won't maintain 15 PPR per game but has a realistic path to top-50 WR finish and WR3–4 range if production moderates.

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Keaton Mitchell

NegativeSleeper49:09

JJ Zachariason is actively trying to acquire Keaton Mitchell on multiple fantasy teams because he believes the Chargers can use him more effectively. Mitchell is undersized but offers explosive play-making ability that the Chargers need; however, his size presents injury risk (could miss a couple weeks with one big hit). Zachariason still loves him and sees him as a better option than Hampton for the Chargers' run game.

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PositiveRole57:47

JJ Zachariason identifies Keaton Mitchell as a late-round target with upside; positioned as a player who could emerge if given opportunity, part of a group of undervalued running backs worth targeting in late rounds.

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Kendre Miller

NegativeRole59:55

JJ Zachariason identifies Kendra Miller as a short-term running back option in New Orleans; suggests limited long-term fantasy value but potential for immediate opportunity.

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Luther Burden

PositiveRole20:28

Burden was the top target-getter for the Bears last year and remains a key beneficiary of Ben Johnson's play-calling in week three, where he and Raymond were the two receivers who 'ate' in the game. Burden's profile includes excellent after-the-catch ability and ball security; he's a dog with the ball in his hands and fits Johnson's scheme of getting receivers open on crossers and in space.

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PositiveRole21:30

Richard and sources indicated preseason that Luther Burden would be a primary target in the Bears offense, leading to him being drafted around the top 50-60 picks. However, the offense has not played out that way. Burden was miscast in his role. Richard notes that when Case Keenum played (quick-release quarterback), Burden was the top target getter with the most designed plays, but Kalief Raymond has now taken over as the primary target. The preseason narrative was incorrect.

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Malik Washington

PositiveRole33:30

Washington is the primary short-area target for the Dolphins when Malik Willis is getting the ball out fast. He's the first option in quick-game situations, ahead of Greg Dulcich and Caleb Douglas, making him the most viable receiving option in Miami's offense.

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Marvin Harrison Jr.

NegativeRole38:10

Harrison needs to get traded to reach his potential; the Cardinals have no motivation to trade him, but his current role in Arizona is not utilizing his strengths. He was 15 pounds lighter coming out of Ohio State and is better suited for an offense that will deploy him more effectively. Currently, he's drawing double teams and clearing space for other receivers rather than being the focal point.

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PositiveRole38:29

Harrison is functioning as a sacrificial X receiver in Arizona's offense, receiving only deep 18-yard average depth of target throws with inconsistent volume; JJ Zachariason dropped him for Kalief Raymond and considers him droppable given the Cardinals' lack of motivation to trade him and his limited role in the evolving offense.

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NegativeMatchup40:03

Despite droppable status, Harrison has a favorable matchup against the Giants this week; JJ Zachariason would not be shocked by a top-30 performance, though it would likely require more than his typical four targets or a touchdown.

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PositiveProjection65:45

JJ Zachariason projects Marvin Harrison Jr. as a top-30 wide receiver for the upcoming week, reflecting confidence in his matchup and role despite not having him ranked in his top tier overall.

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NegativeRole75:22

JJ Zachariason notes there has been less trade speculation and organizational uncertainty around Marvin Harrison Jr. compared to Brian Thomas Jr., suggesting more stability in his role with the Commanders.

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Michael Wilson

PositiveValue12:00

Richard notes that Michael Wilson had a nasty schedule outlook like everyone in Arizona, but even with that bad schedule, analysts could have reasoned that the offense would throw a lot more. Wilson is better suited for the floor's offense than Brian Thomas is for the Jaguars offense, making him a better value comparison despite the schedule concerns.

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Ollie Gordon II

NegativeBust33:13

Gordon is averaging less than three yards per carry and is not a viable fantasy option. JJ Zachariason has a hard time believing either Gordon or Jalen Wright will be as productive as Devonte Henry, who didn't score 13 PPR points in any game this year. The Dolphins have played only 26 snaps where they're not down by seven or more points, and they've been inside the five-yard line twice, which disqualifies Gordon from meaningful opportunity.

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Parker Washington

PositiveMatchup74:11

Against Cincinnati, if BTJ draws DJ Turner in coverage or cloud coverage, it opens opportunities in man coverage for Parker Washington. JJ Zachariason explicitly prefers Parker Washington over BTJ for this week's matchup.

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Quentin Johnston

PositiveRole48:00

Quentin Johnson is making mistakes in the Chargers offense and is not reliable; JJ Zachariason notes defenses are targeting less reliable receivers because Vlad McConkie draws double coverage, and Johnson is part of the unreliable receiver group Herbert is forced to target.

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NegativeBust50:12

Quentin Johnston had a rough start to the 2024 season. Last year he started hot but finished with approximately 12 PPR points per game, which matches his 2024 finish, suggesting consistency at a mid-tier level but disappointing given his draft capital and early-season expectations.

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Quinshon Judkins

NegativeValue64:25

JJ Zachariason suggests Quinshon Judkins can be acquired at a discount heading into Week 4, but cautions against paying his draft-day value; notes his last two games produced 9.8 and 9.9 PPR points respectively, which is bench-level production. Recommends waiting for a deeper discount or seeing if he improves before committing significant trade capital.

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RJ Harvey

PositiveRole60:10

JJ Zachariason highlights RJ Harvey as a short-term running back option in Denver with solid recent performance; notes he has a favorable matchup as a pass-catching back this week and projects him as a potential RB2 or RB3 given the depth at the position this season.

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Saquon Barkley

PositiveValue62:30

JJ Zachariason identifies Saquon Barkley as a buy-low candidate; notes that owners are likely unhappy with his return so far this season, creating a discount opportunity for acquiring him in trades.

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Travis Hunter

NegativeRole47:23

Hunter is barely playing offense this season; JJ Zachariason notes this reduces the number of receiving options for Trevor Lawrence, implying limited offensive role and fantasy relevance.

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Tre Harris

NegativeRole48:00

Trey Harris is making mistakes in the Chargers offense, contributing to Justin Herbert's struggles and reduced passing efficiency.

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Trey McBride

PositiveUsage40:40

McBride has shown significantly improved per-target efficiency compared to last season; he ran 100+ more routes than any other tight end since 2016 last year, establishing him as Arizona's best offensive option and a matchup problem in the middle of the field with easy check-down access.

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PositiveValue42:08

McBride is preferred over Brock Bowers for the rest of the season due to superior health status; Bowers had injury questions that made McBride the easier and safer roll, and McBride's role as a matchup problem and bull in the middle of the field provides more consistent fantasy value.

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Episode Transcript

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0:00David Kitchen has spent two decades covering fantasy football, joining CBS Sports all the way back in 2006 as an analyst.
0:06He's now a staple of fantasy football today. He was NFL.com's first ever fantasy football analyst, he's Chicago-born, and he's also a Miami Hurricane.
0:13These are his late-round perspectives. Look at you wearing the White Sox gear.
0:16Hell yeah, man. Gotta represent the hometown team. It gives me hope as a Pirates fan that someday, you know, a turnaround
0:23and insane, you know, underdog story can happen for my team.
0:26I'm gluten-free these days. So I haven't eaten gluten in like eight years, right.
0:30But even still. That's more than these days, JJ.
0:32Yes, that's true. That's a good point. Yeah, these days I haven't had much gluten.
0:37We're going on 2,500 days. Exactly. But I have a an icy light from 2014, which is around the timeframe of like
0:43when the McCutcheon, you know, the, the, the good teams were happening.
0:46This is actually today that we're recording. This is the anniversary of the Johnny Cueto game where he dropped the ball in the wildcard game against the pirates.
0:54And then Russell Martin hit a home run and it was great.
0:58It was one of the best times of my life as a Pirates fan, but regardless, I have an Iron City Light in the fridge from 2014.
1:05So it's like 12 years old. And I've told myself that I will drink that if the pirates ever win a world series.
1:12I see light is an iron city light. I should have probably know what it is.
1:16Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm familiar. You're not, you're not making me question what I see light is.
1:21You're making me question your sanity because you're planning on chugging a, you know, a few day old beer based on how we're measuring days.
1:28Yeah. Look, if the gluten, me not eating gluten's been eight years, this is like, you know, and that was just a couple of days ago.
1:36You know, it's just a week old beer. Right.
1:38I, what do you think I was born yesterday?
1:41Right. Right. Exactly. But it's exciting. The, the, the white socks stuff is, is very exciting.
1:45Oh man. We three straight years of a hundred losses, including the worst season in major league baseball history.
1:51And I paid attention to the team. It's, it's literally, I don't really follow baseball.
1:55Like you're going through this whole Johnny Cueto thing.
1:57I have no idea what you're talking about. No clue.
2:00To be fair. I barely at this point in my life, I am very much just like a very casual baseball follower.
2:06Yes. Okay. So I get it. But like, do you pay attention when Paul schemes pitches?
2:11Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. All right. So that's a step up from a casual follower.
2:16Yeah. I don't think I can name three Pittsburgh pirates.
2:18Okay. Is McCutcheon like on, he was not, he was last year.
2:22He like left and came back stuff. Like I remember hearing, I remember reading about that.
2:26Like I know who Paul schemes is. Yeah. Yeah.
2:29But I, I couldn't name you three pirates. I don't think I can name you five Mets.
2:34Yeah. I can name you everything you want to know about the players on the White Sox.
2:39I'm a fan. Yeah. That's all I am too.
2:41Yeah. Because I, I can't be a fan of any NFL team.
2:44Right. Right. And I like watching the NBA. I ended up rooting for the Knicks this year.
2:49It's something I never did in my life as a Chicagoan in hockey.
2:53I love, I love Stanley cup hockey. I live in South Florida.
2:56I, I root for the Panthers. And of course I root for the Blackhawks when they make it that far.
3:02But I, the, the only sport where I can like be the only pro sport where I can be just a total
3:08fan, an idiot, obnoxious fan is the white socks baseball.
3:11Yeah. Yeah. And I, I just, I, I have to keep it that way just to keep me sane.
3:17Cause I don't root for the bears. I don't even like the bears.
3:20Yeah. I don't root for any NFL team. You know who I root for on Sundays.
3:25I root for the players that I tell people to start.
3:28That's that's safe. Yes. People think that we're just worried about it.
3:31Like, of course we want our fantasy teams to do well and there's overlap there.
3:36Right. Of course. But like we have a lot on the line in just terms of advice that we're giving, right?
3:41Like that, that's what I care about more than anything else, you know?
3:45Yeah. Same here. And it's because if we didn't feel that way, then we'd be jerks, JJ agreed.
3:50It just, it, it's, that's a signal to everybody watching that we actually do care about what we say.
3:56And we really try hard to, to help people.
3:58Yes. And now here comes an entire podcast where we're going to do exactly that.
4:02I hope, hopefully, hopefully, well, let's just get right into it.
4:06I thought about this. Like, I don't know if I've seen an immense number of surprises this year compared to previous years necessarily, but there are surprises.
4:13We have seen some crazy things happening. So my first question to you is what do you think has been the most
4:19surprising thing that we've seen through three weeks? So the, the two things that I thought of, cause you, you gave me
4:26this question before the show, and I'm so glad you did because otherwise I'd be sitting here going, Oh, I don't know.
4:32I'm a big, big show sheet guy, big show.
4:35Yeah, I know. It's cool. Number one, it feels like there is so much, there's been so much unpreparedness.
4:40Is that a word? Unpreparedness from new play callers.
4:42I'm not talking about the first year guys, but look at the chargers, look at the, look at the giants, look at the bucks.
4:49What are they doing? What the hell is going on?
4:52Yeah. And then like, even there's even some of the guy like Mannion and Blau, like there were some good things from Blau last week.
4:59It was a little suspect before that. Yep. Mannion.
5:02I don't know if he's got things that are, I think we gave too much credit to too many of these play callers.
5:08And the one guy we gave absolutely no credit to is Brad Idzik.
5:12And through the first two, two and a quarter games for Carolina, they were outstanding.
5:16Yeah. So it's more, more than new play callers and fewer of them are, are disappointments.
5:21Of course you look at Clint Kubiak and somehow Kirk Cousins has three touchdowns.
5:25I mean, my gosh, I mean, it's crazy. So like, there's an example of a new play caller, new team, new offense for the team doing great things.
5:33Yeah. But for every Kubiak, there's like two McDaniels.
5:35Yeah. Yeah. And that, that, that's the first thing.
5:38The second thing is just the number of disappointing pass catchers from neighbors, a Buka, Loveland, Jamison Williams.
5:43Like we're, we're kind of at the point with these guys where at best, they're low end number two, wide receivers.
5:49In the case of Loveland, um, a really shiny, cool bench player that you, you just, you can't have a lot of
5:55faith and trust in and each for different reasons, but that stood out to me.
5:59And then the third thing is just like how hellish the running back landscape is.
6:04Yes. Already. Right. All right. Right. We're three weeks in and it feels like there's six teams that just have nothing.
6:10Yeah. Nothing exciting at running back whatsoever. It was really fun after week one, when we seem to have a really robust
6:16fantasy football landscape where it seemed like we were going to have a lot of players that were going to be relevant this year.
6:23When in the last few seasons, it seems like, okay, there's just like the guys who are it.
6:28And then there's the rest, you know, like you do rankings and such and you're sitting there and you're like, Oh, I'll
6:34rank these eight wide receivers and feel really good about them.
6:37And then I don't know, there's like a tier of 30 guys, you know, like that, that you can, of course, you
6:43know, we're going to say, we like this guy a little bit more than that, but like generally speaking, it's pretty flat.
6:49Right. And after week one, I sat there and I'm like, man, like we actually had, cause week one was high scoring.
6:56It was really fun. And there was a lot of stuff going on.
6:59And I'm like, man, maybe we actually have a situation this year where it will be more like 2020 or something, you
7:06know, like some of those years where we had more scoring and then it just reverted back almost immediately.
7:11Right. Where it's just kind of like, we lose, you're getting these like random spikes.
7:15Like, thank God we got the, you know, we got Luther burden last week.
7:19We got Jalen Waddle in week two and we're getting some, but some of these guys, like you noted, some of these pass catchers, man, it's been brutal.
7:27And I think it does stem from what you were talking about with some of these coordinators too.
7:32And the way that these, these offenses are calling plays, I guess my follow-up to that is, do you think there's anything
7:39that we should have done slash we could have seen, or is this just one of those things where, yeah, like, like
7:45stuff is going to go bad and stuff is going to go well.
7:48But in this case, a lot of that stuff so far has gone bad.
7:52And then is there like some hope to, you know, like we saw it with Jacksonville last year, right?
7:58Jacksonville started off really slow and they were one of the best offenses in the league down the stretch.
8:03And then look what they're doing now this year.
8:06Yeah. So I think it's a little too soon to just say that it's like permanent dumpster fire status in LA or,
8:12you know, New York with the giants or anything like that, because you're right there.
8:16Teams can change rather quickly. And sometimes all it takes is changing offensive line personnel or giving more opportunities to a wide
8:23receiver or shortening a wide receiver's route depth from game to game.
8:26Maybe they're not running his downfield as much, or maybe they need to run downfield a little bit more and try new things.
8:32You know, all of these guys are mad scientists, right?
8:35And so as long as they, they keep trying to find answers and not banging their head against the wall, doing this
8:42exact same thing week after week, we should at least have an open mind to them getting a little bit better.
8:47What could we have done differently? We probably could have taxed the teams with first time play callers, not first year, but
8:54first time play callers a little bit more. And I think that, you know, I say that, and that might've worked out
9:00a little bit in the case of Philly and Washington, but it would not have worked out in the case of Baltimore and Carolina.
9:07So I'm not even sure if that's the other thing to do.
9:10Um, you know, something that I like to do every off season that I didn't do this off season is study the
9:16schedule, grade the defenses and grade the offensive lines.
9:19And that stuff has helped me quite a bit in the past.
9:22Yeah. I didn't do it this year because I really went hog wild doing NFL draft profile stuff for CBS sports.
9:28Yeah. Um, and that's all work I'm really proud of.
9:31And yeah, I can tell you anything you want to know about the top rookies in the league, but I, it, it,
9:37yeah, I had to give something up in order to do that work.
9:41And I, I kind of wish I had that kind of, you know, those, those notes for lack of a better term
9:47of here's what I think a defense is going to be.
9:50Here's what I think an offensive line is going to be.
9:54And it's not just, you know, you know, throwing a dart and saying, this is what I think they're going to be or looking strictly at last year.
10:01It's the moves they make, it's the schemes they run, you know, all that nerdy football stuff.
10:06Of course it just ends up in some sort of graphic that says, okay, the schedule is going to be pretty good for Minnesota and Detroit this year.
10:14And it's going to completely suck for new England and Houston, something like that.
10:18Yeah. I think that the schedule stuff, especially some people like really analysts, you know, people that are on podcasts and are,
10:24you know, and they'll say like, I don't understand why analysts are looking at schedule analysis and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
10:31And I'm like, okay, it's like, nothing's gonna be perfect.
10:34Of course it's not gonna be perfect. We're not going to understand exactly how a defense is going to perform and such.
10:40There's a lot, I do an early season schedule and like at least just focusing on the early seasons.
10:45Early. Yeah. Because the late season stuff, things will change, you know, things will, will, you know, guys get hurt and all that kind of stuff.
10:53For me, historically, it's been really helpful. Like it got me off of Brian Thomas pretty much completely in August after I
10:59had done it because of the, just the, the good corner after good corner, after good corner.
11:04And then on top of that, it ended up being, oh, he's not playing in heavy personnel either.
11:09And so it's just an even worse situation, you know, for, for Brian Thomas and like those kinds of things, you know,
11:15we're just looking for small edges, man. This is not about like finding the golden key and, and turning that and winning a fantasy championship.
11:22This is about finding these small edges through doing this analysis.
11:25And that can be really helpful when all of those come together and, and you know, and, and create a larger edge for you.
11:32If anything, JJ, they're tiebreakers, right? Right. And so you probably got to a point in your BtJ versus let's really, let's
11:38really kick BtJ in the gut here. Michael Wilson.
11:41Right. Well, I wish I was more into white Michael Wilson, but yeah, like you do that compare and listen, Mike Wilson
11:47had a nasty schedule outlook to everybody in Arizona did.
11:50Right. But you might've looked at it and said, you know what, even with that bad schedule, Hey, at least it means
11:56that they're going to be throwing right. A lot more.
11:59And this is a guy who's better suited for, for the floor's offense.
12:03Then, then BtJ might be for what this iteration of the Jaguars offense is.
12:07Yeah. A hundred percent, a hundred percent. Um, so we're, we're kind of talking small sample size here.
12:12My question would be, when do you start to shift your focus and say, okay, I can drop all of my priors.
12:18You know, there's been, been research done. I've done a little bit of research, you know, others in the space have done
12:24some research to say like ADP becomes not predictive after like week four for this position, whatever the case may be.
12:30But I'm, of course, yeah. Like, like you can say that over a large sample, but I don't think that it just
12:36like is very easy to apply necessarily. Right. So my, my question for you is, is essentially like, how long are you
12:43holding onto priors or are you at the point right now where you're just like, you know what?
12:48I can analyze the first three games of the season and kind of have a good feel and probably a better feel
12:54of what's going to happen this year, as opposed to how I felt back in the middle of August.
12:59So as soon as my reasons for preseason priors are invalid, I'm done with them.
13:04There's absolutely no reason to stick with the reasons why you like a player or the reasons why you dislike a player.
13:10If what they've shown you, even if it's in one game, right.
13:13It's, you know, it turns what you think on its head.
13:16I'll give you some examples. It was easy to do in the case of Malik neighbors.
13:21I was bullish on Malik neighbors. I, I, I, not only did I buy into all of the reports, I asked people
13:27who were at giants practice, like, is this for real?
13:30Have you watched them run? Is there anything? No, no, no.
13:33He looks great. He's going to be great. He should be great.
13:36Okay, fine. When Jackson dark goes down in week two, you know, the story changes from Malik neighbors and the outlook changes
13:43from Malik neighbors, but that's an easy one. Sure.
13:45And it was very easy in the case of Drake may another player that I was really excited about and had him ranked as my number three quarterback.
13:53Yeah. As most. Yeah. And, and I, I drafted him.
13:56I thought I was drafting him at value in round six or round seven in all these expert leagues.
14:01And then he was terrible in week one. AJ Brown goes down easy to completely throw out everything that I thought about Drake may.
14:08And honestly, like I kind of went into panic mode and on every single team with Drake may, I had another quarterback by before week two start.
14:16Right. And that quarterback is now starting for me.
14:18And Drake may is either on my bench or on the waiver wire in those leagues, but it's a little harder in
14:25the case of somebody like, um, well, I don't know how much harder it is now, but let's say going into week
14:31three for a Mecca Buka, because I had high hopes for Buka.
14:34I absolutely love the way that a Buka played in those first five games as a rookie.
14:39And he still continued to get a lot of targets from Baker Mayfield.
14:43And yeah, there was a toe injury, but exact same thing as neighbors.
14:46He's practicing the week before the season, 10 days before the season, call people up in Tampa.
14:51Hey, how does he look? Yeah, he looks great.
14:54He's going to be good. Okay, great. And then you watch him in week one and he does look great.
15:00Right. But Baker looks like trash and Baker's holding the ball and it looks like father time has finally gotten to Baker Mayfield and now he's hurt.
15:07So you have to throw those prayers out the window.
15:10I was throwing those prayers out the window before week three anyway, but now it's Jalen Daniels and that offense in Tampa
15:16and it's, it's going to get worse. So I said, the point is, is as soon as all my reasons for liking
15:22or disliking a player are proven wrong, I'm done with those priors.
15:26I deal in reality, JJ, I don't deal in, gosh, I wish this guy is going to, I don't, I don't, I don't hope.
15:33And I don't wish I try and find real, I use reality.
15:36Yeah. And what these coaches have done before and what these players have done before as a guide for what I think will happen from week to week.
15:44Yeah. I think it's, it's important for analysts to, to say, Hey, my priors are my priors and we got new information
15:50and I'm going to adjust those priors based on this new information.
15:54You know, I say to listeners all the time, I don't take W's and L's in season.
15:59It doesn't matter. Right? Like we don't need to sit here and be like, I got this wrong.
16:04I got this right. You know, it's like, okay, we'll deal with it at the end of the year.
16:09We'll see when everything's over and we can, we can, you know, learn from our processes, learn from our mistakes and kind of go from there.
16:16But in season, we're just trying to manage these teams and manage the chaos and hope for the best.
16:22And there's no use in kind of like digging through all of that.
16:25Right. But I do think that understanding where we're pivoting, how we're pivoting, you know, is very important to how we're managing our team.
16:32One situation where that definitely exists right now is your, your, uh, a homeland Chicago where, where you have Kalief Raymond.
16:38I sent a tweet out the other day, the year 10 breakout is all I said after he had that, that touchdown in that game.
16:45But the Kalief Raymond stuff is just fascinating to me.
16:48Like I brought it up on some shows earlier this week.
16:51You know, obviously we've been talking about it, et cetera, et cetera.
16:55I want to know where you're at with Kalief Raymond.
16:57And like, cause I think this is one of those situations.
17:01Like some of the examples you showed or you just, you just shared made tons of sense.
17:05And there, but there's like a very fine, like sits something that happened in those situations, injuries, let's say, you know, to
17:12a quarterback, you know, or whatever where you can then say, okay, obviously the priors are, are changing the Chicago one.
17:18Yes. We have the Caleb Williams injury. And I do think that that certainly can adjust the way that we were thinking
17:24maybe about the pass catchers to a degree, but regardless, like the people who are sitting there victory lapping a Colston Loveland
17:30or a Roma Dunze or whatever right now, I sit there and I'm thinking like, okay, was your process that you thought
17:36Kalief Raymond was going to see a 23% target share in the offense?
17:40You know, like, was, was that the reason that you were fading these guys?
17:44So what are you doing with Kalief Raymond? Like, do you think that people are still not into this situation and into him enough in fantasy football?
17:52If they are, then they're sticking with their preseason priors and not dealing with reality because the reality is that he's playing,
17:58he's running around on 70% of the bears drop backs.
18:01His target per route run rate is 26%, almost 27, no, about 26%.
18:04I have it open right here on my screen and he's catching over 90% of his targets.
18:09We, the problem that we made this year was that we miscast Luther burden and Colson Loveland in their roles in the office.
18:16And this is where hearing information before the season starts can hurt you because I heard from two different sources in Chicago,
18:22this offense is going to revolve around Colson Loveland.
18:25And when it's not him, it's going to be Luther burden.
18:28All right. Rocket ship emojis up. Yeah. Let's go with Colson Loveland.
18:31Let's take him with a top 40 pick. Let's take Luther burden with the top 50 or 60 pick probably top 60
18:37pick 50 might seem a little bit too much and let's just rock and roll.
18:42But what's ended up happening is this dude, Kalief Raymond, who's been in Ben Johnson system for a long time, knows what
18:48to do, knows how to find soft spots against zone is a good route runner.
18:52And he's, he can separate man. Like he was playing special teams for a while because of his speed.
18:57He would occasionally play on offense for much of the previous nine years because of his speed.
19:02And guess what? He still has that speed. And now he's got an opportunity to make himself available when Caleb Williams consistently
19:08turns down the first read runs all over the place and then looks for somebody downfield.
19:13And it's Kalief Raymond. Yeah. And then as for last week, case Keenum did exactly what I thought case Keenum was going to do.
19:20And that's get rid of the ball quick. Right.
19:22And if you go and you look at how the bears operated last year, Luther burden was the top target getter.
19:28He had the most designed plays when the quarterback is getting the ball out in two seconds.
19:33Right. But you have to think that somebody who's got a low a dot and lots of speed is also going to
19:39be a candidate to get a lot of those short targets.
19:43Yeah. Not Roma doon say, right. Not Colson, Loveland, Kalief Raymond.
19:46He's at worst a number three receiver. He has been picked up in all of my leagues.
19:50I don't really have a problem starting him because I think the bears are going to continue to be one of the
19:57better offenses that put up a lot of points in this league, whether it's Caleb Williams, Tyson, Bajan, case Keenum, doesn't matter.
20:03They've got a genius at play caller and Kalief Raymond is clearly somebody who understands what that genius is all about.
20:09I agree. You know, I think that after, you know, week one, I think it's fine to react and be like, okay,
20:15it's kind of a weird game and the way that things went down.
20:19And then, you know, week two, you could even argue it was a little bit strange because the weather and there was
20:25just, you know, it was a tough defense. And, uh, you know, I thought Caleb in that game, they needed to have
20:31the game plan that they had week three for week two.
20:34And they, they, you know, Caleb has had the issue of holding onto that rock.
20:39What were you going to say? Go ahead. I was going to say, I think they might have.
20:44Yeah. Right. Right. Caleb Williams is like, yeah, forget that.
20:47I'm Superman. Right. Exactly. Exactly. I mean, even on the play, he got hurt JJ, how many, I don't know about you.
20:53How many times have you watched the play? Oh yeah.
20:56Multiple times. Yeah. Yeah. He had a touchdown to Loveland.
20:59Yeah. Yeah. And instead he's selling love, go block.
21:01Yeah, exactly. Go block that guy. I'm running it in my, my, my hopium, my hopium here is that that Caleb will stop.
21:08Like when we say that and we're like, we're like, Hey, Caleb's going to stop running as much because he was hurt and yada, yada, yada.
21:15I think there's some truth to it, but there's also, this is part of their DNA, like Jackson dart, you know, like
21:21it's part of his being playing the game of football.
21:24Like he can't just stop being careless with his body because that's the way that he's played football his entire life, you know?
21:31And so I don't think it's going to be massively easy for Caleb.
21:34Just be like, okay, I'm going to sit in the pocket and get rid of the ball in two and a half
21:40seconds instead of three and a half seconds. It's a big jump.
21:44That's a big change that he'll have to do mentally to get through.
21:48But that being said after week two, I'm like, okay, you know, Raymond still has the peripherals and he's still producing, you know, more than we expected.
21:55I think last week, if you're still just be like ignoring what's going on here simply because, you know, we didn't see
22:01it happening in August and in July, I think it's a little bit foolish.
22:05Now I tried to pull some comps, which is insane because it's a year 10 wide receiver where like, this just doesn't
22:12have ever got to be a laundry list of dudes.
22:15Yeah. The year 10 breakouts, the one player that I talked about on my show earlier this week, that stood out as
22:21very similar, like route shares, target shares and fantasy production to start the season.
22:25And then also had from an ADP perspective, a lot of players that were drafted well ahead of, so he was drafted
22:31really late and then had teammates drafted really early, right?
22:34It was Russell gauge in 2020 where he was on the Falcons team with Julio, Calvin Ridley, Hayden Hurst was their tight end.
22:40So it was a very like, you know, they were all drafted relatively early, similar to what we had with this bear situation.
22:47And he started the season off relatively hot. And the thing is he didn't totally tail off.
22:52He, you know, I don't think Khalif Raymond's going to maintain 15 points per game.
22:56You know, I don't think we're, we're there. Yeah.
22:58Right. It would be pretty surprising, but I think that there's a chance that he's still going to be, like you said,
23:05like a top, like he can be a top 50 wide receiver in fantasy.
23:09Like he can be a wide receiver for type.
23:11I mean, it sounds like you're probably even more bullish than I am with, with Raymond.
23:16And I know there are people out there that are all year.
23:19If this continues to any degree are just going to dismiss this, you know, and not, and, and with Russell gauge, he
23:25still maintained like nine to 11 PPR points per game.
23:28And a lot of the comps were in that like wide receiver three to five range.
23:33Like, it's not like they just disappeared after appearing out of nowhere.
23:36Right. And it does make me feel more confident in the Raymond role being a thing.
23:41The weird thing to me is that, you know, to your point in how this offense operates, getting the ball out quickly.
23:47And, and like I said throughout the off season, that the reason I was more into burden than a dunze is even
23:53if you thought a dunze was like the complete wide receiver and like, as a player that just looks the part, you
23:59know, when you watch him, I had a hard time matching that with what number one works in fantasy football, which we
24:06want the cheap stuff, you know, like we want the, the easy stuff for these wide receivers, but the Ben Johnson offense
24:12also is get these guys open on these crossers, get them in space and allow them to do a lot after the catch.
24:18And no one can scheme arguably better for their wide outs than Ben Johnson can.
24:23And so with burden in his profile, the dudes, I mean, go watch week three.
24:27The dude is a dog. I mean, he is, he's really, really good with the ball in his hands.
24:32You know, he's great after the catch. And the weird thing to me is that like in week three, especially those are
24:39the two guys who ate in that game where Kalief Raymond and Luther burden.
24:43And there's more overlap in their game than there would be a Raymond to an adunze, but adunze has been the one
24:49that's really been the odd man out. You know, he's like a 12% target share to start the season.
24:54Do you think that balance kind of changes things a little bit?
24:58Or do you think this is just an offense where, you know, you're going to get these better routes from a Raymond and burden.
25:04And those are the guys that we're probably going to rely on in fantasy.
25:08I don't think the bears have any reason to change the role for Romo dunze.
25:13I think if anything's going to happen, they're going to wait for defenses to say, all right, we need to do something about burden and Kalief Raymond.
25:20And I'm going to imagine that defenses are going to be really hesitant to do such a thing, because that means it's
25:27going to be lesser coverage on a dunze and Loveland.
25:29So the bears just have this embarrassment of riches among wide receivers who are either supremely talented or just, they know what
25:36to do and they know exactly what to do and, or both of those things.
25:40And that's going to lead to every defense picking their poison.
25:43Oh, by the way, they can also run the ball because they've got a really good offensive line.
25:48And you talked about it. Caleb Williams is not going to change his style.
25:52So he's a threat too. So as long as this really comes down to, can Caleb Williams be a more efficient player
25:58in, in the game that he has right now in his game, which is sometimes he'll make the first read.
26:04Sometimes he won't at the first sign of pressure, he's going to run out of the pocket.
26:09Thank goodness. He keeps his eyes downfield. Thank goodness.
26:11He holds the ball until the very last second before the edge of his cleat hits the chalk and he can still
26:18make a cross body throw 25 yards downfield. Like, like I talked about it.
26:22I do a show on YouTube every week with Scott Turner, the former play caller in the NFL.
26:27And I just, I get his insight and, and he says it best.
26:30It's a fine line between trying to reel in somebody like this or just let them be.
26:35But for the most, our coaches want them to be who they are.
26:39They in the Williams was the one Oh one in the NFL draft because of who he is because he's willing to play Superman.
26:46Now think of all the quarterbacks that refuse to play Superman.
26:49They want to just take the check desk and, and he, and he can be very good at it.
26:54So Ben Johnson's going to lean into that, whether it means good things or bad things, he just needs, he needs just
27:00to be more efficient and more accurate. If it's going to mean numbers across the board every week for a doomsday Loveland burden Raymond.
27:07And I just, I don't, I, I think it's unrealistic for four guys and maybe our mistake going into the 2026 season
27:13was thinking that it was realistic for three guys.
27:16Yes. Because I don't think that that's realistic either.
27:19And it's almost like the best advice probably been, okay, everybody, this bears offense should be good.
27:23Ben Johnson's a genius. Caleb Williams can play great.
27:26Pick your favorite two and target those two. Yeah.
27:28And that's kind of what I did. Yeah. Doomsday was the odd man out for me then.
27:33Yeah. And, and I think he's still going to be the odd man out until the bears see coverage that changes and
27:40maybe it just takes more teams agreeing to play more man to man.
27:43And then it's a doomsday and single coverage. And I'm pretty sure Caleb Williams will take Romo Doomsday in a one-on-one every time.
27:50Yeah. But the other issue though, and I, I, I talk about this on my mailbag.
27:54That's, that's going to be out by the time this is out.
27:58But an issue with this is that like in the fantasy space, we've, we've talked about a dot for so many years
28:04now, you know, Mike clay created it, you know, like 12 years ago, 13 years, however long ago.
28:09I think it's longer than that. We've been, we've been around for what you've been, you know, you've been around even longer than me.
28:16Yeah. Dude, I helped bring Mike clay into the fantasy.
28:19It's crazy. And I got him inducted into the fantasy hall of fame.
28:22There's a fantasy hall of fame. If you can believe that.
28:25Yes. It's crazy. What a bunch of geeks we are.
28:28We are, very, very nerdy, but, but I think that we, as a, as a, an analyst community have sometimes done a
28:35disservice to listeners and players when we talk about a dot, because I think that the translation to many is that higher
28:41a dot equals better that higher a dot is, is good.
28:44Right. It's not, you don't want like Khalil Shakir type usage, right?
28:47Like you don't, cause in order for that player to really work out, he needs to see like a 35% target share.
28:54You know what I mean? Like he needs to just be peppered with those looks.
28:58But the problem is that when you get a player in the way that they're deploying Roma duns a right now, where
29:04all of the crossers and the intermediate routes are going to Kalief Raymond and Luther burden and a duns a is running more of the deep patterns.
29:12That's a problem because now his eight out is 17 yards and you're going to get this massive inconsistency from week to week.
29:18And so if the thought, you know, again, going back to how we were thinking going to the season, if anyone out
29:24there was thinking that a duns a was going to be able to see a little bit more of that work and
29:31through three weeks, we're not seeing that at all with, with Roma duns a route tree and the way that they've deployed him.
29:37That's a big problem if, and when that continues.
29:40And like you said, I don't know if there's a reason for it to not continue right now.
29:45It's true. And to the, the point of a dot, and I'm trying to look this up on the fly.
29:51I'm trying to find a fantasy player who's succeeding with a high a dot Devante Adams is one right now, but he's absolutely one.
29:57Yeah. But golden's a dot. Yes. Yeah. And then the key here is, all right, you can have a high a dot,
30:04but if you're really good at football and you're getting a lot of volume, like you can, you can be supportive.
30:10So it's not, it's not, there, there is no silver bullet stat.
30:13Exactly. Right. The player is great because of strictly this, there's none of that context is so important for literally everything.
30:19Yeah. And it just really boils down to this.
30:21If you're good at football and the ball finds you, you're probably going to be good for fans.
30:27Yes. Yes. It's not to say like, look, if we had a dude who had a 19 yard a dot and he
30:33had a 40% target share, like we take that, we take that all day long.
30:37Right. Of course. But, but yeah, I do think that that's, that's my fear with the duns a right now.
30:43We'll wrap that up and kind of move on from the bear stuff.
30:46But I do think that that's been one of the more interesting topics this season.
30:51I mean, I remember going into the year, I was like, Oh, those three guys could see a 70% target share in the offense.
30:57And meanwhile, they're sitting out like a sub 50% one right now, you know?
31:01And that's just the way that it goes. Sometimes you got to get Sam rush, the football, JJ.
31:07It's just, it's so insane, but you, here's the other thing.
31:10Ben Johnson is sick. He is so sick in the head that he loved, he loved playing case Keenum last week.
31:16You know, like he loved that he was able to do what he did and he knew, he knew, I guarantee you the whole week he's sitting there.
31:24He's like, I know what we have. I know exactly what's going to happen in this game.
31:28And I'm going to be smirking the entire time because we just have a distributor who's good enough, who can escape just enough.
31:35And we're going to use guys like Sam Roush and we're going to get away with it.
31:40He had a guy who would play on time and in structure, right?
31:43Right. Which is why there's Ben Johnson's going to call a play and the play is going to go down exactly as Ben Johnson drew it up.
31:51Yes. Versus Caleb Williams, where you hope that Caleb.
31:54Yes. Yes. Plays it just as he drew it.
31:56It's the Jared Goff stuff. It's why that, that relationship worked the way that it did when he was in Detroit.
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33:01All right. I got to move on to the waiver wire this week.
33:04We had a lot of bids on the Dolphins backfield.
33:07Where are you at with this Ollie Gordon, Jalen Wright thing?
33:10Do you even care? I don't. I, I, I, I feel terrible for Dolphins fans and I feel terrible for HN fantasy
33:16managers of which I was in a couple of leagues because I have a hard time believing that either of these two
33:23guys will be as good as Devon HN who didn't even have 13 PPR points in any of his games this year.
33:29Right. So I do think the offensive line can get better for Miami.
33:33That's an example of, of a group that I think can get better as the season goes on.
33:38But I, I think the answer for this for Miami is more Malik Willis, more short area targets for Malik Washington and Greg Dulcich and Caleb Douglas too.
33:46You go back and you look to see, all right, it's a small sample size, three games.
33:50How, who's getting the targets when Malik Willis is getting the ball out fast and it's Malik Washington first and foremost.
33:56And it's Greg Dulcich or it's actually Caleb Douglas second and Greg Dulcich third.
34:00So I, I kind of think that that's where Miami is going to end up and there are already, I think they've
34:07played 26 snaps where they're not down by seven or more points in the season.
34:11That's crazy too. And they've been inside the five yard line twice.
34:14So that type of stuff disqualifies Ollie Gordon. Yeah.
34:17Because I don't, I, the dude's averaging less than three yards per carry.
34:20He's, he's, he's, he's a nice guy. He did great in college.
34:24He's just not, I don't see things changing for him.
34:27Yeah. And Jalen Wright is kind of exciting, but every time we get excited about him, something he, well, usually what happens
34:33is the starter comes back and he goes back.
34:36Usually that's not going to happen this time, but I also don't think he's going to turn into Devon HM.
34:41Yeah. I don't think that the offensive coaching staff is creative enough at this point to turn right into H and or
34:47even a, even like 80% of H and especially if right is going to mix and match with Ollie Gordon.
34:53And I'm curious to see what Jarquez Hunter does.
34:56Me too. This is somebody that the dolphins acquired.
34:58He was interesting in college to anybody that Sean McVay is going to draft is certainly going to get a second look from me.
35:05And once Ollie and Jalen poop out, then we could see Jarquez Hunter getting that chance for Miami.
35:10And guess what? He'll probably get about seven PPR points.
35:13Yeah, exactly. My prospect model and my evaluation liked Hunter a lot when he came out.
35:17And so, and I know that people are probably listening to this rolling their eyes because I'm bringing up Jarquez Hunter again.
35:24And obviously Blake Corum ended up breaking out last year and Hunter is nowhere to be found.
35:29But yeah, I mean, like I am kind of intrigued there when I looked at some, some fab bids, especially like my
35:35home leagues that I'm in, you know, the various more local leagues and stuff and high school.
35:40My gosh, some of the fab spent on, on Ollie Gordon and Jalen, right.
35:44I'm, you know, I, I, one of them just blew all of it and, and just, just went after Ollie Gordon and,
35:50you know, maybe, maybe they look good, but I'll tell you what this week they get Minnesota and have an implied total of 14 points.
35:57So it could be, and then after that, what do they have?
36:00Yeah. The bi-week's coming up, right? Well, they've got Cincinnati between Minnesota and the bi.
36:05So those people that spent their fab on Ollie Gordon and Jalen, right there, I'd be, I would be surprised if they feel good about it.
36:12Yeah. Going into the dolphins bi-week and if the dolphins going to their bi-week and they're not getting anything out of their
36:18run game, that's when Jarquez Hunter might be the guy and you're not going to have any fab left.
36:24Yeah. So like our advice on fantasy football today was don't spend a ton of fab on these guys.
36:29Let somebody else do it. And if, if they're right, God bless them.
36:33They're very lucky, but we, we think we've got a pretty good feel for who these running backs are and what these offenses are.
36:39And just because one guy leaves doesn't mean the opportunities are going to go right to one other guy.
36:45There's no one for one. And in the case of what I think is going to happen to Miami, I don't even
36:51think there's going to be a one for one between H and all of the running.
36:56Yeah, exactly. That's a very good point. Very. And we know, as we, as you said, H has just been an RB too so far this year.
37:03So I also had to take, like, I, I, I would have preferred off the waiver wire.
37:08I talked about this with some subscribers and members this week, just Braylon Allen over those guys where, yeah, he was our
37:14number one guy where, where it's like, I'd rather just get the chunk weeks, right.
37:19And, and just win immediately and hope to get, cause right now I'm, you know, he's an RB too this week from
37:25a ranking perspective, like he's in a, in a decent spot.
37:28And so I'd rather just get the, you know, try to win now, as opposed to thinking about it.
37:33Oh, he's out for the year. It's a longterm.
37:36Okay. But you're spreading out those points, very few points across all of those weeks.
37:40You're only going to be getting, you know, you're, you're getting a few points per game.
37:45It's not very valuable. It's the same thing. Whenever we look at like fantasy finishes for the year and you're not looking
37:51at points per game and you're just looking at guys who've survived and were healthy, you know, it's like stupidest thing.
37:57Yeah. Right. It's just not helpful. It's not nearly as helpful.
38:00And so, um, yeah, the Braylon Allen thing, I would just rather go that direction.
38:04If you're going to go somewhere off the way.
38:07Yep. You'll get a bandaid for a couple of weeks and then three weeks from now, there'll be some other terrible injury
38:13and we'll be picking up other backup running. Exactly.
38:16All right. Speaking of roster management, I'm going to go through some players here and I want to, I want you to
38:22tell me if you think these guys are droppable and a 12 team league, let's, you know, six bench spot, just a very like standard fantasy.
38:29Sure. Right. We'll start with Marvin Harrison Jr. Dude, I think he's got to get traded.
38:34Yeah. I think that's, that's, that's the out, right?
38:36That, that, that's the out. The Cardinals have no motivation to do it, but I think for Marvin Harrison to reach the
38:43potential that we thought he had, he needs to get traded, cut weight and get just in an offense that will utilize
38:49him to the strengths that he had when he was 15 pounds lighter coming out of Ohio state.
38:54I just, things aren't going right in Arizona, but what's their motivation?
38:57Why would they trade him? He's, he's doing a good job of keeping a defender clearing everything out for the rest of the team.
39:04Yeah. Like he can still draw a double team sometimes.
39:07So like that's valuable for Arizona's offense. They can't do that with Kendrick Bourne.
39:11They don't have another wide receiver that can do it.
39:14Well, they do, they could use Michael Wilson, but then what good is that?
39:18So I, I, I think Harrison's staying and with that being the case, I think Marv is droppable.
39:23Yeah. I'm with you. I actually dropped them in a league for Kalief Raymond this week.
39:27It was my only, I don't hate it. My only Marvin Harrison Jr.
39:31team this season. And, and I, I got Kalief Raymond for it.
39:34And I, I never in a million, if you were to tell me that a month ago, Dave, I would, I would laugh in your face.
39:42And, and I mean, that's just absurd to think about, but yeah, I mean like Harrison's as Matt Harmon has dubbed, he
39:48is the, the sacrificial X in that offense, you know, he's just got that 18 yard a dot and they're just, you
39:54know, throwing it to him down the field only.
39:57And it's just not a very consistent thing. I will say, I will say, I said this on my sleeper show.
40:03I actually think he has a good matchup this week against the giants.
40:06I do think there's a chance you can't play.
40:09It's one of those situations where like, you can't really put them in your lineup, but I would not be shocked if
40:15we get like a top 30 performance from Marvin Harrison Jr.
40:18This week. Well, that might mean he's going to need more than four targets or he needs to score.
40:24I think this Arizona offense is evolving before our eyes.
40:27And I think they've realized what they have in Jeremiah love.
40:30And I think the ankle injury he sustained, it wouldn't surprise me if we get kind of down weeks from McBride Wilson, a down week from Marvin.
40:37Yeah, of course. But Jeremiah is the one that carries the Cardinals this week against the giants.
40:42Yeah. I mean, look, they, they got by with a ton of volume last year and you know, the McBride, I was not heavy enough in McBride.
40:50I just basically was not very heavy on most of the offense this, this off season in the summer and the McBride stuff.
40:56He's just seen such good per target efficiency now, as opposed to last year, you know, he ran a hundred more routes
41:03than any other tight end since 2016 last year, you know?
41:06So, so it's, it's a weird, it's been a weird thing for McBride to start the year, especially for me.
41:11No, not for me. I, I was, I didn't overthink it with McBride.
41:15I knew that he was the best option for, for Arizona.
41:18And it's not like he's a speedster who can get open.
41:21He's just a matchup problem in the middle of the field and an easy check down guy who's a bull in a China shop.
41:28Once he's got the ball in his hands and he's healthier than Brock Bowers.
41:32Yeah. And there weren't questions about, uh, about his health.
41:35Like there were about Bowers. Like to me, it just seemed a lot easier to roll with McBride.
41:40Are you McBride over Bowers rest of season right now?
41:43Probably for the exact same reason. Okay. Okay. So I, I'm that, that was the thing for me was that I, I,
41:49the gap in ADP for me was to, I just liked Bowers and I, I could foresee a monster season from him.
41:55And that was part of the reason as well of like the not being as heavy into McBride, but I look the way that things have gone.
42:03So I get it. You know, I think that it's, it's reasonable to go with that, you know, the other player as opposed to the Bowers there.
42:11Let's talk about Brian Thomas. How about, how about BTJ?
42:14Where are you at with him? He's in the exact same boat as Marvin Harrison Jr.
42:18Yeah. So he's running, at least he's fast. He's running downfield and, and, and can certainly draw coverage away.
42:23And I don't see what the motivation is for Jacksonville.
42:26What's his contract like JJ, do you know off the top of your head?
42:30I'll look still rookie deal, right? Is it the last year of his rookie deal?
42:34This would be year three right now for him.
42:37Okay. So they've got no motivation to trade him either, unless somebody is going to give up something big.
42:42Right. And listen, I'll, I don't know if he's ever going to amount to anything huge in Jacksonville.
42:48He's, he has talent and he's, he overcame a lot of things last season to make it to this season.
42:53Yeah. And I still think he's working through some of those physical limitations that he might have.
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44:34Nationwide Investment Services Corporation, member FINRA, Columbus, Ohio. I think Jacksonville's offense has evolved to a point where they're not reliant on him from week to week.
44:42There will be weeks where they're going to use him and they're going to try and get him the football.
44:47And in a week against Cincinnati, should be two high scoring teams.
44:51Maybe BTJ does get a little bit more involved.
44:53But if he's going to draw DJ Turner in coverage, if he's going to get cloud coverage on top of him, it's
44:59just going to open things up like crazy, especially in man coverage for Parker Washington and for Kobe Myers.
45:05And I like those two guys better than BTJ this week.
45:08Is he droppable? I'd rather drop Marvin than Brian Thomas Jr.
45:11Agreed. So I would say like if it's a little bit smaller of a league, I would drop BTJ, but in a
45:17regular 12 team league, six bench spots, I think I'm going to try and hold on to him.
45:22Yeah, I think that's very, very fair. You know, there have been so many rumors about Brian Thomas Jr.
45:28and them trading him and moving on that. I wonder if there might be a little bit smoke, a little bit of
45:34smoke where there's that fire, but I don't, you know, there's at least been more of that with him than there has been Marvin Harrison Jr.
45:41so far. Sure. I think it would need to be, let's say the commanders win this week, win next week, Terry gets hurt or digs gets hurt.
45:49And Jaden Daniels goes to his front office and says, is there anything you can do to bring my buddy Brian Thomas Jr.
45:56to Washington? And if Washington says, yes, we will do whatever it takes, then maybe they give up a second round pick and Jacksonville says, okay, that's cool.
46:03We'll take it. Yeah. I don't even, I don't even like, again, what's their motivation?
46:08If, if Washington's good, that's a late second round pick.
46:11Is that really what you want in exchange for a guy that can like, he will alter how defenses play against Jacksonville if he's not on the field.
46:19Yeah. So Jacksonville has got to be real careful with the decision on what they do with them.
46:24Plus if something happens to Jacoby or Parker, you know, say they win power ball and decide to retire, Brian Thomas Jr.
46:30is going to become a thing for them. They're going to need them.
46:34Yeah, no, it's fair. I like, like we can't dismiss the fact that like, they need the depth and they're a very
46:40good football team and that they're going to compete.
46:42And so, you know, I think a lot of times we get in our heads like, oh yeah, they don't need because,
46:49because this is, but, but think about your own fantasy team, right?
46:52You're, you're still like, you still want depth, you know, and we're more so trying to optimize our starting lineup more than an NFL team is.
46:59Cause we know that we can get away with that in fantasy.
47:03We can just go to the free agency pool where they can't just do that in the real NFL.
47:08So, well, they do. It's just their free agent pool is a lot different than ours.
47:13Right. It's pretty rough. They're, they're looking for a guy that's got one good trait.
47:17Yes. Yes. And sometimes that trade is, are you in shape?
47:20Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Are you breathing? Yeah. Right.
47:23Yeah. It's really, I always think about like the, like what would this Jacksonville offense look like right now?
47:28If Travis Hunter never got hurt last year, you ever think about that?
47:32That's sort of the, no, I don't because the domino effect of it is what it is.
47:37Yeah. I, I don't have time to think about that.
47:39I mean, we're in week four, man. Yeah. Yeah.
47:42Forget the hypothetical. I'm glad, you know what? I'm glad he's barely playing offense.
47:46Cause that's one less mouth for Trevor Lawrence to throw.
47:49That's true. That's true. What about Justin Herbert? Are we done with Herbert?
47:52Yeah. I think in a 12 team league, you can move on from him.
47:56I reviewed their film from week three today and while they're starting to make a few positive changes, Justin Herbert still like
48:03there were multiple times in the game against Buffalo where he just flat out does not see the safeties and he's throwing
48:09deep balls that are just easily picked off. So I don't like that at all.
48:13Like his fourth quarter interception is an indictment on his ability to read coverage.
48:17And then on top of that, Trey Harris is making mistakes.
48:20Quentin Johnson is making mistakes. Vlad McConkie is playing hurt and he's getting double teamed a lot.
48:25And that's part of the reason why, why Herbert isn't throwing him more.
48:29We're sitting here going, why isn't Vlad McConkie getting 10 targets a game?
48:32It's because he's drawing double coverage all the time and defenses have realized, yeah, we want Justin Herbert to throw to these receivers that aren't reliable, very good.
48:40Right, right, right. So like they, these receivers might run the best route and they might drop the ball or Herbert might
48:47be pressured and the ball goes three feet over their head.
48:50And he, he was literally turning down or on to Gadsden for throws last week.
48:54Like a Gadsden's Oh, they're there. It's fourth and 10.
48:57They're not going to win the game. Gadsden's wide open for what amounts to a check down that he probably could have gotten a first down on.
49:04Yeah. And Justin Herbert just turns the other way.
49:07Yeah. For us to Trey Harris and it's incomplete or shorter or whatever.
49:11It doesn't even matter who cares because the charges are terrible.
49:14But on top of all that, I think I can't help but think that Justin Herbert is staring at the prospect of,
49:20oh my God, here we go again. Another year where I've got to carry this team without an offensive line and it's a new offense.
49:27And this new offensive coordinator is, you know, maybe not what I'm used to.
49:31And I wonder if that's playing into how he's playing and how he, he's trying to do too much out there.
49:37And on top of that, the run game is just like, it's not non-existent.
49:41It is two thirds unexciting and one third, very exciting.
49:44But the exciting part is a guy who's undersized and one big hit and he could be out for a couple of weeks yet.
49:51I still love him. Yeah. And I'm still trying to get, I'm talking about Keaton Mitchell.
49:55I want to get Keaton Mitchell on a bunch of teams because I think they can use him more and they need
50:01exciting players who can make explosive plays. And I don't think Hampton's it.
50:05I think he is, but I just think the chargers have so much work to do that.
50:10Yeah. I would drop Justin Herbert at this point.
50:12What about his receiver, Quentin Johnston? Are you done with him too?
50:16I don't even know who that is. Okay. We can move on from Quentin Johnston.
50:20Yeah. I mean, my goodness is he had a rough start to the season.
50:24Yeah. It's too bad because last year he started red hot and then he ended up finishing the year with about 12
50:30PPR points per game, which is where he was in 2024.
50:33So I kind of went in, in the year thinking, all right, that's just who he is.
50:38He's 11.5 to 12 PPR points per game. That's still worth a good pick somewhere between, you know, pick 70 and 90 overall.
50:45And so I took him in a few leagues and now I'm kicking myself for it.
50:49Yeah. I think I wouldn't surprise me if they tried to use Trey Harris more and that same, same.
50:55That was one of my transactions this week was that was adding Harris just because I think they might, they might just need to pull that plug.
51:02And I'm not, I'm not a big Trey Harris guy, but I just think the chargers are looking, I mean, they, they
51:09freaking signed Marquez Valdez scantling for crying out loud.
51:11So they're looking for somebody with some speed and length to play a role in that office.
51:16Yeah. Agreed. How about Drake man? I mean, you mentioned him, are you dropping may or is it more of a throw them on your bench thing?
51:24It's more of a throw on the bench than drop thing.
51:27Yeah. I definitely don't trust him until AJ Brown's back and AJ Brown looks like AJ Brown.
51:32Yeah. Uh, I, I like knowing that Brown is making progress in his ankle injury or his recovery from it.
51:37And so I think I'm willing to give Drake may another shot.
51:41Once AJ Brown is good. I might need to see it first, but now I'm also starting to get a little bit
51:47of jittery nerves about the offensive line. Yes. Cause they're on their third string, right guard.
51:51They start taking more injuries there. I mean, we've seen may struggle with pressure when that offensive line's healthy.
51:57What's going to happen when it's not healthy. So this, this season could capsize quickly.
52:01And by the way, if I'm in dynasty, I'm buying Drake, I probably would be too.
52:06Yeah. This year is not the end. I'll be all for him.
52:09Right. He can, he can revert. We've now that we've seen a great year from him and now we're seeing, you know, a crummy year from him.
52:17It wouldn't surprise me if things change again for new England going into 2027 and he's back to being a stud.
52:23So if you've got them in dynasty, hold them.
52:25And if you are looking for someone to buy law on in dynasty, I think Drake may, I think the time is there.
52:32If you want a silver lining with the may stuff, you know, we knew last year he performed really well against bad competition, right?
52:39Like that was the thing that he did well last year was he was able to, to come through, you know, against
52:45bad teams and their schedule opens up over the next handful of weeks.
52:48At least it does. It's a lot better than the start.
52:52And you could kind of tell yourself a story of like, okay, it was a gauntlet of teams throughout the playoffs last year.
52:58And then they get, they open up the season against Seattle and then Pittsburgh.
53:02And then last week they get Jacksonville, not a bad defense, but also you could just say, what if it's just a
53:08bad game by, you know, like that one-off thing can happen as well.
53:12I mean, Drake may last week did not, I mean, that was one of the worst.
53:17I mean, I know he's been bad, but last week was like ultra bad for, for, for Drake may.
53:22Um, and so, I mean, that that's, that to me is like the silver lining is that, yeah, well, the schedule at
53:28least is getting a little bit better. Yeah. And if it'll coincide with AJ Brown being back.
53:33Yeah, exactly. All right. Last one, Chris Godwin. I respect his game so much and he's just one of those dudes that's so great.
53:40You know, there's a bunch of good guys. Yeah, of course.
53:43Yeah. And this universe just roots for, yeah. And Evans and Godwin are those good guys, but I, I it's, it's over.
53:49Yeah. Yeah. He's, he's certainly, he's more droppable than Brian Thomas, probably more droppable than Quentin Johnston and probably more droppable than Marvin Harrison jr.
53:56Yeah. I think that this is one of those situations where like, he probably like, like we saw the injury obviously right
54:02before the injury a couple of years ago, he was dominating, but it was awesome post-injury.
54:07He just hasn't been looked the same, been the same.
54:10And then on top of that, you layer on this offense and this situation.
54:14And it's just like, it's rough. It's real, real rough.
54:17And then I'll, you know, Ted Hurst actually has been looking pretty good to start the year too.
54:22So there's, there's more competition, you know, than, than some might've thought entering the year.
54:26It's true. All right. Are you more concerned about Malik neighbors or Amari and Hampton moving forward?
54:31I'm, I'm that soccer coach meme. Oh boy. I am probably more concerned about Malik neighbors.
54:35Okay. Cause I think, I think Hampton will have a role no matter what.
54:39He might just turn into the thunder and a thunder and light and combo for the chargers.
54:44And yeah, you can start him and say, all right, maybe you can get me 50 yards in a touchdown.
54:50I don't think he's going to get me many catches anymore, but with neighbors, it actually has less to do with him
54:56and so much to do with who they have a quarterback.
54:59I think I watched Jamis's film and maybe it was because of the weather, but that was the worst quarterback play I've seen this year.
55:06Yeah. Bar none. And I, Jamis is another guy we love to root for.
55:10And if you've ever met him, JJ, he's just, he's a wonderful guy to be around, but he's slower.
55:16His movements are slower. I think the way he's processing coverage is slower.
55:19It's, it's just getting older. And then the velocity on his throws, isn't what it used to be.
55:24I'm actually, no one's going to hear this, right?
55:27Yeah. No, no, no, no one listens to this podcast.
55:30I'm kind of, I'm kind of curious to see what it will look like when JJ McCarthy throws to Malik neighbors.
55:36Yeah. And I'm, I'm even like the, the, the teeniest bit excited about it because I know that McCarthy, hopefully he'll be accurate enough.
55:43And I don't think he'll be asked to do too much when he does play, but at least he'll throw with velocity
55:49and neighbors can adjust to any throw around his catcher.
55:52Right. Right. He can get it and he can make a plan by then, by then I hope Malik neighbors is over
55:58the, Oh, am I okay to play? Is my body holding up?
56:01Am I right? Hopefully he's over that. And he's back to being in that mindset that he was in before he got hurt.
56:08Yeah. I mean, look, Malik neighbors got it done with Tommy DeVito, you know, like, like he's, he's able to, to do,
56:14I mean, he's played with like five different quarterbacks in terms of running like 40 plus routes.
56:19I looked at this last week and I was, I was too bullish on, I mean, I wasn't bullish, but I was
56:25too bullish versus what ended up happening with, with Jamison in week three and such with the movement at quarterback.
56:31Right. And with, with neighbors himself. And obviously after watching that last week, it's like, Oh wow, that was, that was real bad.
56:37You know, the way that that offense operated, the way that James played.
56:41But I think that the one thing with neighbors that should make you at least feel, I agree by the way, with the Hampton versus neighbors thing.
56:49Like I would, I would say the same thing.
56:51Yeah. I think Hampton can at least like get something, just get some volume and like, like be maybe an RB two for you.
56:58Like just because the, the position is as weak as it is, but wide receiver, you know, talent can take you very
57:04far at the position, but you do need, like, if you just have zero distributor at the quarterback position, it can become very, very dire.
57:11And we saw that with Justin Jefferson last year, you know, like it can, it can, it can be scary, but you
57:18know, at least we have a backbone of Malik neighbors and a semi, you know, it's a year, a little bit over
57:24a year of neighbors doing serious work with like bad quarterback play, you know, like legitimately bad quarterback play.
57:29So that, that would be the, the, at least the good part about what you have with neighbors right now.
57:35I think so. Yeah. Is there anyone out there right now that you really like that you think is just like a
57:41good bench stash that maybe not a lot of people are talking about and that, that you should throw on the bench.
57:47So Keaton Mitchell would be one of those guys.
57:50James Connor is one of those guys. And that's a, that's a weird one.
57:54It's a murky one. You're going to need an IR spot for him.
57:58But what you see the Cardinals have for him.
58:00He's on the last year of his deal. True.
58:03I think, I think Michael floor calls his brother and it's like, dude, you're running game sucks.
58:07Yeah. I got a guy, but he's got to heal up first.
58:11Yeah. And so if that happens, I think James Connor can end up being a thing.
58:15I don't know if he'll be as good as he once was.
58:19It'd be better than Caleb Johnson and Marshawn. He will be better than Caleb Johnson.
58:23Gosh, there's so many things in common between Caleb Johnson and Omari and Hampton right now.
58:28It's scary. That's, that's pretty frightening. That's very frightening.
58:30Actually, Kendra Miller kind of stands out to me in new Orleans, but that's a short-term thing.
58:35Yeah. RJ Harvey stands out to me in Denver.
58:38That's also a short-term thing. I don't know why I'm only thinking about running backs, but that's kind of the position that,
58:44that kind of matters right now because we can find other players at wide receiver and a tight end.
58:49Yeah. Speaking of RJ Harvey, I thought that he's looked decent this year, you know, like a lot, like, you know, I,
58:55and I thought JK Dobbins has not looked that great so far.
58:59Like he's tried to cut to the outside many times and it's just not happening for him.
59:04And that's my fear with, with where Dobbins is at right now.
59:07And Harvey has a great matchup from like a pass catching running back standpoint this weekend too.
59:12So I'm, I'm intrigued by Harvey. I think that he's an, he's an interesting, like, you know, he can be like an
59:18RB three type, maybe even an RB two, given the way that the position has fallen this year and where things are at.
59:25So I do like that, that call out quite a bit.
59:28Do you have any buy candidates right now? Yeah.
59:30I mean, again, my mind is only on running backs and I gave out these names on fantasy football today on Wednesday
59:37where we basically go through all of our buy low or buy high candidates on Wednesday.
59:41I think the expensive guys are chase Brown and Saquon Barkley because the people that have them rostered are probably a little unhappy with their return so far.
59:49I think Jordan Mason, if you can wait out his injury, I like some injury dude, I think he'll be discounted because
59:55the team that has Jordan Mason can't use them.
59:58And when he comes back, I, I, I know Aaron Jones is the thing now.
60:02I don't know if he's going to be the same thing when Jordan Mason comes back.
60:07Yeah. Uh, breeze halls in that same boat, but he's going to be a little costlier.
60:11And I know we're going into week four and quinch on Judkins place on Thursday, as far as getting him at a discount.
60:18I like it. I wouldn't pay the same type of value as where people drafted quinch on, but at least he's getting the work.
60:24And I, you tell me like, if you're desperate for running back, you just lost HN, you just lost ETN.
60:30You want a body. You just want a body, but you don't want to buy that's going to get your four fantasy.
60:36Sure. Sure. Sure. You want to do a little bit better than that and have somebody that at least has a chance to do it.
60:43And in the case of quinch on his last two games are 9.8 and 9.9.
60:48If you're paying that type of price for quinch on Judkins, okay.
60:51Right around 10 PPR points. I mean, that's kind of like a bench player.
60:55So I think you're going to need to kick in a little bit more than that.
61:00But if you're doing that, I think you'll be relatively okay with the result of quinch on Judkins on your fantasy team, but you better hurry up.
61:07We're recording this on Thursday afternoon before their game.
61:10Yeah. Uh, but maybe somebody that survives the game, maybe he does.
61:13Okay. Maybe he sucks. If he sucks, his price tag will go down even more.
61:17Sure. Yeah. And you can roll with him going into week five.
61:21All right. One last thing. Give me a bold take for this week of the NFL season.
61:26This makes me want to go back and look at who I picked to win games this week.
61:31And I also want to give a bold take.
61:33That's actually like reflected in my rankings. Yeah. I don't just want to be like, Oh, the Carolina Panthers are going to shut out the Lions.
61:41Like my, my take for, and this will be out before the, my, we do the late round fantasy football show myself
61:47and David kitchen on, on YouTube every Friday. But like I got, I said, the Marvin Harrison jr.
61:52Thing earlier, I have him as a top three.
61:55I don't have him ranked there, but I think he'd be a top 30 wide receiver this week.
62:00Okay. You know, that's, that's pretty cool. I think Josh downs can be a top 20 wide receiver.
62:05Oh, I love it. Is that good? Let's make it a top 15.
62:09Josh downs is going to be the number one receiver in fantasy for the next four years.
62:13There it is. There's the boldness. There's the fire.
62:16Oh man. Yeah. And then he's going to play for the pirates and win a world series single-handedly for the pirates.
62:22And you can have your, I see a old 14 year old icy light.
62:26Yes. And he will, he will. Josh downs will be the reason that I am live streaming myself chugging an icy light.
62:32That's 14 years old. It'd be all because of Josh downs.
62:35Dave, I appreciate it. We also be live streaming your trip to the emergency room.
62:39Yes, exactly. Exactly. All the, all the gluten Dave, I appreciate the time, man.
62:43This was awesome. I always love talking to you and doing the show missed you at the expo this year.
62:49You know, really love seeing you whenever you're there and we get to hang out a little bit.
62:54But let everyone know where they can find you in the, and again, talk about the show that you're doing this year.
63:00Cause it's a really cool concept. So Scott Turner and I are teaming up for a show on YouTube.
63:06It comes out every Wednesday on YouTube, totally free on the fantasy football today.
63:10Channel is called reality versus fantasy and Scott Turner's.
63:12I let's put it nicely. He's decided to take a year off of coaching.
63:16And so he wants to learn a little bit more about fantasy football.
63:20And he obviously has amazing insight into the game of football, literally grew up in it.
63:25And he and I go through the big topics every week that fancy managers are thinking about, and he's answering the questions
63:31that I don't know the answer to. And so I'm learning from Scott.
63:34And at the same time, everybody else is learning from Scott.
63:38We talked about neighbors this week. We talked about a booka this week.
63:41We talked about the Panthers offense, the Eagles offense, the dolphins running backs.
63:45He actually had a different take on the dolphins running backs than what we have JJ.
63:49So it's, it's very interesting. And we're answering fan questions every single week too.
63:53All you got to do is go on YouTube, search for reality versus fantasy.
63:57We do it every week, every Wednesday, look for it, watch it, learn from it.
64:02Awesome. That's awesome. Make sure you guys check it out late round.com, subscribe to the YouTube channel, subscribe to the podcast.
64:08Otherwise everyone, good luck in week four, and thanks for tuning in.
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