0:02Okay, what is cracking everybody? James Co, Matt Harmon here with you uh from Reception Perception. Uh for everyone in the chat, uh we we appreciate y'all and
0:11uh we welcome you in man. Um Matt and I uh this is our first time this season drafting a baseball team. For some
0:20reason, we got our times crossed up.
0:23Baseball drafts are not going to start until 8 o'clock Eastern and we don't have that time. [laughter] In particular, Matt doesn't have that
0:34time.
0:34>> Yeah.
0:35>> Yeah. I I am going on a uh international vacation. Uh I will be getting on the plane 24 hours from now. 24 hours from
0:44now and be in the air and I have done exactly zero packing. Uh so your boys here got off to a bad start on this. So,
0:52we're we are pulling an audible and James, we're going to go through here and look at uh DraftKings ADP and pick
0:58our favorite wide receiver picks uh of every round. Uh so, look, that's Listen, honestly, that's going to be better. I think it's I think it's going to be way
1:06better content and we're going to get way more player takes and not in a fast pace. Now, we don't have to we don't
1:11have to rush, dude. We can we can really, you know, let our uh like spread our wings. We can really relax here.
1:18Much more our style.
1:20>> Scribbles, man. What's going on, dude?
1:22Good to see you, pal. Um, we got, first of all, I jump into the chat and the very first thing I see is this.
1:29>> I'm going to poop my pants. I'm Wow.
1:32Okay. Um, yes, I agree. What a message to walk in on. Unbelievable.
1:38Uh, I love it. So, yeah, dude. Listen, we apologize, man. We were we were actually legitimately uh stoked to draft a team actually as well. Um, and so now
1:48we are not going to be able to do that, but we will talk about our favorite picks uh in every single round.
1:53Obviously giving a ton of wide receiver stuff here as well. Okay, so I do have the DraftKings. By the way, go check out
1:59DraftKings [snorts] uh if you would.
2:01That'd be amazing. But uh this is their DraftKings um rankings right now. Um when you look in the first round, Matt,
2:09here we got Bejian and Jir Gibbs. By the way, I just got done charting these guys. Behan's he must be practicing
2:15witchcraft or something, man. like this guy's getting better somehow. It's unbelievable. Jamir Gibbs has got rocket fuel in his in his shoes. So, uh both
2:23these guys very very good and I get it.
2:25Uh you see here in the in the first wide receiver though off the board Jamar Chase, Puka Nua, Jackson Smith and
2:31Jigbo. What do we think here?
2:33>> Yeah, obviously no qualms with any of these guys, especially with Jamar Chase being first. Um, you know, the more I
2:41you just think about it, obviously he he's on that he's just in an incredible spot in his career, right? An unbelievable player. Uh, somebody who's
2:49awesome at the at the game of football.
2:51We got Joe Burrow here. Yeah, he should be the wide receiver one off the board.
2:54Totally fine with that. The guy I think is really interesting, >> um, is actually Justin Jefferson. Um, one of the things I'm many I'm one of
3:02many many of things I'm doing right now as I prepare to leave for this vacation is I'm updating my dynasty rankings
3:08tonight. Uh, so hopefully we uh will have those up either by tonight or tomorrow morning. We'll have those updated for the people out there.
3:18And I bring this up to say that Justin Jefferson was a guy that I moved, you know, out of the first tier this past
3:26season. Um, and I think there's obvious reasons for that. We were concerned about the long-term trajectory of the quarterback play. And now though, the
3:36more that you look at it, I I kind of think, again, this is not this is we we will talk best, we'll talk reddraft, of
3:42course here, but just from like dynasty angle real quick. Is it not time to like get back in on Justin Jefferson as a
3:48tier one receiver? I I know he's a little bit older than these other guys that we're talking about here, Chase, JSN, Puka Nakua, but even here like I I
3:56kind of think he should, you know, St.
3:58Brown obviously is the next wide receiver after kind of the big three and I think consensus big three and I get
4:02that and I'm not saying that, you know, I'm on Ross St. Brown is a bad pick by any means. I mean, he's so like locked
4:08in, >> but I kind of think if you get into that late first round range, I'm totally content with taking Justin
4:15Jefferson as a first round pick. And I do think the time has kind of returned to push a guy like Justin Jefferson back
4:23up into the first tier of of dynasty rankings. So, he's definitely somebody that again, I'm not going to go so far
4:28as to say he's my favorite pick of the first round at wide receiver because there's so many good wide receiver picks. But shoot, I mean, James, what do
4:33you think about the Kyler Murray Justin Jefferson pairing? I think you might be a little bit more skeptical than me, but
4:38I think he's good enough to get, you know, Jefferson back into kind of that top five wide receiver production, which, you know, based on ADP, based on
4:47the rankings here, he he kind of already has been pushed up.
4:50>> It's really interesting, right? Because like if we're talking about real life fan, if we're talking about real life football, I'm not that high on the
4:56Murray signing. Mostly because >> I don't think he totally fits what KC wants to get done offensively. mostly and you and I have talked about this on
5:06on the RP show a lot. He doesn't throw to the middle of the football field and a lot of what KOCC's offense does has to
5:13be to attack that middle, right?
5:15Especially that intermediate middle and I just think that Kyler has shown throughout his career he's really hesitant to throw those footballs. Okay.
5:21Now, that being said, fantasy is a little different. [laughter] You know, like they're going to find a way to get Justin Jefferson the football. And so
5:28while I don't think Kyler is a great fit for Minnesota's offensive, you know, health overall, not a great fit there, there's no question he's a step up from
5:39JJ. You know, it's like, come on. I mean, I could not be the biggest Kyler guy, but you got to still say he's a
5:45step up from JJ McCarthy. Um, just not only, you know, from a talent standpoint, but just he's been through the war zones of the NFL. He's seen a
5:54lot of different coverages and all that kind of stuff, right? So, um, yeah, I do think that he will ramp up Justin
6:00Jefferson, I'm with you. Um, why he is, >> you know, not considered to be in that top, I get it because of the concerns at
6:09quarterback, but I do think that I'm with you. I think that Kyler Murray will certainly elevate his play. Um, and there is a ch I mean, come on. there's a
6:17absolutely a chance that uh that uh Justin Jefferson ends up being the wide receiver one uh in the game of 2026, you
6:25know, >> right? I see that's the thing. I do think that upside exists and that's kind of why again I made that change in
6:31dynasty and I will admit maybe part of this is that I wrote up Malik Neighbors's profile uh today that's on the site. People can check it out
6:39receptionperception.com. Uh it's almost like I think I wrote this at the end.
6:42It's a almost like a fun but sad profile to read and consume because he's currently hurt and like everything painted in the profile is oh my god this
6:50guy is just on like he's knocking on that door ready to burst through it to be an elite tier one receiver now it's
6:56like oh man when are we going to get that guy again? So there's a little doom and gloom for you. But the reason that I
7:01I bring that up is because then this comes back to Justin Jefferson when I was looking through Malik Neighbors' profiling. The thing that is the most
7:09bullish about him >> is that he had an 84.4% success rate verse press coverage which is a 98th percentile score. Uh these are the these
7:18are the following players in reception perception history who have hit or cleared 84% success rate verse press while taking fewer than 30% of their
7:27sampled snaps from the slot. AJ Brown did it once. Devonte Adams did it once.
7:32Jamar Chase has done it once. Obviously I haven't charted all these guys' 2025 yet, so keep that in mind. Odell Beckham
7:38Jr. did it three times and Justin Jefferson did it three times from 22 to 23 to 24. And again, he might have done
7:45it in 25. I just haven't charted his season yet. So, he's incredible. And even if you look back that 24 season,
7:50like yes, a ton of his usage came uh on dig routes. 27% uh route percentage on dig routes in 2024. And as we've discussed many times,
8:00that's probably not going to be the the diet of the Kyler Murray throws, right?
8:06But but Justin Jefferson's success rate on nine routes 73.1%.
8:13>> Like an elite. So >> that's outrageous. The 73.1% success rate for Justin Jefferson on nine routes. And that like Kyler Murray
8:24will throw that, >> right? Like he's he's going to throw those boundary routes to the exceiver.
8:28We saw him do it to DeAndre Hopkins, you know, even on like comeback routes, which obviously freaking Kyler Murray and Marvin Harrison tried to link up on
8:37those comeback routes and it just didn't always work. Didn't work.
8:40>> 82% success rate there. So, some of those like more straight line vertical routes as we always talk about. Yeah, it's going to it it I think that part of
8:48the connection can work there and it can be very efficient doing that. So to me, I do think like again, if we're thinking
8:55favorite wide receiver picks in the first round, you might get Jamar Chase or JSN's production out of Justin Jefferson in the back half of the first
9:04round this year. And I'm I'm kind of okay. On a full PPR site like DraftKings, you know, uh, by the way,
9:09code RPM Matt in the description if you want to sign up.
9:12>> Yeah. To dra draft Justin Jefferson. I think I'm into it. I think I'm doing it.
9:16I mean, again, if we're if we're talking baseball, you know, it's like um he's a great player regardless. I think I saw
9:22someone comment that he finished as the wide receiver 24. Yeah, it was uh IMJ Jo, whatever. Uh the outside the you
9:30know, finished outside the top 24, if he's got a pulse after 17 games, he can't finish worse than last year. I
9:34agree with that.
9:35>> Bingo.
9:36>> Um so, you know, and again, when you're talking about overall wide receiver one upside, I mean, shoot, he could be the
9:43best player in all of fantasy football >> next year. That's the upside um with Justin Jefferson. So, I'm with it, man.
9:50I'm good with it. Um okay, so we've got Justin Jefferson here at nine. Whether we think that's too low or not um
9:56irrelevant. I think if you're in the back half of the first round, you look at Justin Jefferson, you go get him. I
10:00like it. Um as a matter of fact, I would say he's got higher upside than Aman Ros, I think, a a much better floor, but
10:09better, you know, again, Justin Jefferson with a uh much higher upside there. Um, James Cook, CD Lamb, Genty.
10:17Everyone's expecting a big Genty comeback with um, Clint Kubak there uh, in Las Vegas. Saquon Barkley, a Chan, Kenneth Walker, Drake London. Okay, so
10:26when we're taking a look at the wide receivers here, it's CD Lamb and Drake London in this, you know, early portion
10:34of the second round. What do we think?
10:36>> Yeah, real quick, just doubling back on Justin Jefferson, too. By the way, if you're trying to stack him and Kyler
10:41Murray, Kyler Murray's QB7 off the board right now in DraftKings basketball, like goes outside the top 100. Let me tell you what, if Kyler Murray starts 16 17
10:49games, um, which he's going to be starting this year, and I think if he starts, he's probably going to hold on
10:53to the job. There's a stone 0% chance he finishes as QB 17. He will finish higher than that just because he can run. So,
11:00even more appeal to the Jefferson. You get the stack there like very, very, very affordable. Um, but yeah, also I think uh Nico Collins or at least what
11:07I'm looking at here, he's also in this round too. So, uh, Drake London, George Pick or CD Lamb also. Yeah, good. Yeah,
11:13there you go. So, like these guys here, um, I mean, I think these guys are all really good uh, wide receiver picks. I
11:21do want to just discuss the George Pickkins thing here a little bit.
11:25>> Okay. What's your level of concern one about Yeah, [clears throat] we see where I'm going with this because to the
11:32other guys I think are all locked in here, you know? I think we're all like we're all set. Like CD Lamb, end of
11:37first round, early second round, totally 100% into it. CD Lamb, by the way, had a 26% target share in the games that he
11:43played at least 45% of the snaps. George Pickkins was 22%. George Pickkins is was good regardless, but his monster games obviously came uh when CD was not
11:54available. So, I'm totally in on CD as a, you know, quote, bounceback whatever candidate this year. But Pickkins though, what's your level concern that a
12:02he's might not be on the Cowboys roster this year? Just cuz look, I know we can sit here and say like it's I would say
12:07it's it's a better than 50% chance, maybe 60% chance that nothing happens, nothing goes wrong and he's just playing this year. But it is Dallas, right? We
12:16we've seen them mess around with these contract situations many times and Pickkins is obviously a, >> you know, an interesting cat, a
12:23different dude. uh probably wants to be paid right now there. There's no question. Would you have a concern about that? And then anyway, even if he is,
12:31are we paying like the iron price on George Pickkins who as I said was obviously significant was boosted to wide receiver five overall last year and
12:40half PPR scoring to, you know, because of the games that CD Lamb missed. Are you concerned that we're we are we're
12:45paying up too much for pickings as a second round player?
12:49>> I mean, aren't we though? Like it seems pretty obvious that we're we're over we're we're paying the max price for
12:55George Pickkins here. I think he is um if Dallas is is healthy and right um and there's no reason why you know we think
13:04that CD Lamb is has like an injury history or anything like that. Right. So like >> um yeah given the history of George
13:12Pickkins I mean again forget about like he wants a new contract. You're you're telling me we've already seen this song and dance before. Like if he doesn't
13:21want to play and all of a sudden he gets nicked up and he's like, "Ah, you know what, man?
13:25>> I'm just not feeling it." You know, like that's not going to surprise anybody.
13:28That would shock absolutely no no one at all for him to be somewhere in this in the end of the second round here when
13:34you're also looking at players like Nico Collins. I know you and I both love Chris Ave um in this mix. I I just Yeah,
13:42I don't see it, man. I I again, I don't think George Pickkins is a great pick here. Now, if you were to tell me he was
13:48going to be at the end of the third round, oh yeah, I mean, of course, we're sign me up, right? But again, in this
13:54range, when we're also looking at Nico Collins, we're also looking at Chris Olive. Um, you know, Devonte Smith with AJ Brown gone. Are you kidding me, bro?
14:03Like, sign me up for those guys ahead of George Pickkins.
14:07>> Yeah, obviously the upside if everything comes together, we've already seen it.
14:10And this is a team that can, I think, support two wide receiver ones. Um, but you're just like kind of essentially
14:16betting on everything that happened last year running back exactly perfectly. So, and that just doesn't always happen. So, I think honestly he is uh someone that I
14:26would just feel more comfortable with as as a third rounder. Uh, on Nico Collins who, >> you know, is a late second rounder, 23
14:35overall ADP, you know, 12 team formats.
14:38I man, I think Nico is just very he's really underrated in Dynasty. I think he I think he has a chance at finishing as
14:45a top five receiver this year if he can stay healthy. And that's obviously the big question is if he can stay healthy.
14:50I like to see that the team uh made some level of commitment and investment in him uh with the contract uh boost. I
14:57like that. By the way, it's like, okay, who cares? Yeah, who who cares? Okay, we don't need to do an extension. Just give
15:03him some more money. We like that. Just give just give the guy more money. He deserves more money. His contract was
15:08insane before this. Looks a little bit better now. Deserves that. Um, can he stay healthy is the big question, but otherwise, I mean, he's an elite player
15:16at the position in my opinion. I think he checks all the boxes I want in terms of a tier one wide out. And then I also
15:23think that the and I've said this many times that the CJ Strad playoff, you know, poop his pants. Let's be honest,
15:30it was it was a disaster class from the postseason.
15:34>> One of the worst and I I tweeted this out. It's like one of the his game against the Patriots is one of the 10
15:39worst performances from an EPA per dropback standpoint that we've seen in the playoffs since 2007. Like a long long time. One of the worst quarterback
15:47ones.
15:48>> But that being said, in the regular season, he was sandwiched between Patrick Mahomes and Sam Darnold in EPA per dropback. So like he wasn't a
15:59nightmare in the regular season. I think just the games that we all saw like that Seattle game, prime time contest, the
16:07playoffs, I think that's like weighed down the perception of Stout. But to me, Strad is still more than good enough to
16:14get Nico Collins, who like these other pass catchers are interesting. I love to see Tank Dell back running routes. I don't know if he's going to be like a
16:22big featured player in the offense, but just good to see that. That's nice. Um, in addition to the fact like Higgins and
16:27Null should both take a step this year.
16:29That's great. But I think these guys are all like supporting actors, whereas Nico is a 25% target share player. Set it and
16:35forget it. So I really like him as a late second rounder.
16:39>> Same. And again, when we're comparing that price to George Pickkins, it's very they're again on, you know, DraftKings ADP, they're going back to back, right?
16:4623 24 George Pickkins, Nico Collins.
16:49Give me Nico Collins, man.
16:50>> I'll take Nico, too. I I just think again when we're talking about upside, you're talking about if everything comes together for George Pickkins, if
16:57everything comes together, he is a top 12 guy. I think if everything comes together for Nico Collins and Stout is not just absolutely, you know, scarred
17:06from his playoff disaster run. Um, if Stout is okay, if Nico stays healthy for 17 games, if they start to get extra
17:14production from Jaylen Null and Jaden Higgins and that run game um, stabilizes itself. I know you guys, it's like if you guys follow the show, it's like I
17:23don't think the run game is going to stabilize itself. But that being said, Nico Collins has top five wide receiver upside. So, I think the upside is even
17:32higher for somebody like Nico Collins.
17:34Even though um I do think that George Pickkins, even as a 17g game wide receiver, too, is is probably one of
17:41your safer picks um on the board. So, >> can I um can I say too, just like I mean, >> yeah,
17:49>> George, it goes Drake London, George Pickins, Nico Collins. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Nico Collins outproduces Drake London this year. And
17:56I love Drake London, as you know. I went on a needless impassioned rant, you know, about Drake London and and wide
18:03receiver stats and his contract on the show that we put out today.
18:07>> Yeah.
18:07>> That being said, we're talking about fantasy and it's Michael Pennix and it's to a tongue of Aloa and I I mean I
18:15I'm not to mention just like I don't I just really don't know how that offense is going to come together. So, yeah, I
18:20kind of think I might honestly break ties a little bit in favor uh of Nico there, even though maybe there's some
18:27more safety with Drake London because of his role and and the fact that London was hurt last year, but Nico is
18:33essentially he's missed games every season.
18:35>> Yeah, for sure. Um, okay. So, again, we get down to this like Chris Olive, we're now into the third round here, but Chris
18:41Olive, Devonte Smith, these two guys that I love these picks, bro. Like if we go running back heavy and we start
18:47picking up wide receivers in in the third, fourth round, man, like sign me up for Chris Lav and Devonte Smith. And
18:54in particular, Matt, I really want you to focus in on Dvonte here because AJ Brown is officially gone now in Philadelphia. And while they have tried
19:00to load up with different players, it is very clear that Devonte Smith is the man now. Um, and again, if you look
19:09at the profile of a of a top 10 wide receiver, somebody who who really outkicks coverage and surprises you,
19:18it's players that primarily get a bump in elevation. There's a target vacuum and then they also kick outside a lot more. If I if it sounds like I'm
19:29describing JSN because it's because I am >> because you are, [laughter] >> you know, but again, [clears throat] those guys who surprise,
19:38it's not like this has never happened.
19:40It happens almost every single year.
19:43Totally. Somebody tries to fill this target vacuum and they're just really good damn players um that get more opportunities to work outside and get
19:51some of those high leverage downfield routes.
19:54>> Yep. Um I like it a lot. Obviously, when we've seen Dvonte Smith lately, you mentioned he has been more of that slot
19:59player, and I think he's still going to run some routes from the slot because the good part about this offense that
20:03Shawn Manion is likely bringing over from Green Bay. I do think I've seen a little bit too much analysis about like
20:10it's going to be copy paste Green Bay because you have to remember like Shawn Manion has spent his time in the NFL
20:16around I mean not not long coaching.
20:19he's only coached for two years is like right not even a high high level assistant quarterback coached last year but I mean very new to coaching the last
20:26couple years but the guys that he's been under from a coaching standpoint like when when he was been playing >> playing uh you know he's got like deep
20:33backgrounds to like uh Oregon State and kind of some more Norv Turnerish stuff and then like Kevin Oonnell is most recently in Minnesota so
20:43>> I don't think it would be copypaste Green Bay but it's going to be off of that family tree >> and for me like I think I've seen too
20:49much overindexing of like is there going to be a receiver rotation or or or you know whatever. It's like I don't think
20:55so. I think it's going to be the type of system where everybody gets moved around a little bit for sure. But he's so good
21:01he can play X, he can play outside. Um he can play in the slot as well. He's going to get some of those slot reps,
21:06the breaking routes. And the thing I like the most about Devonte Smith from a like receiver dork standpoint. And I imagine that this is how it's going to
21:14go in Philly this year is they're going to try to blend the two worlds. They're going to try to blend if it works, which
21:20obviously this is a, you know, pretty significant variable, but uh if it works, I think they will try to blend what Jaylen Herz has done and been
21:28comfortable doing with what Shawn Manion wants to bring to the table. And if that's the case, when they do the more
21:34what they've done with Jaylen Herz of late, where it's kind of spread and shred, you know, more static routes from the perimeter, well, guess what? Devonte
21:43Smith can do that. Like, he can run those routes. he can get into the slot and he can like smokeman coverage on the
21:49vertical plane. If they want to do more of what I think Shawn Manion wants to do, which is under center play action,
21:55shoot it over the middle, go back and watch or uh check out my my film uh breakdown of this on the site. The game
22:02that AJ Brown missed against the Giants last year, they are just randomly that was one game that they went to a lot of
22:08under center play action and it's just like dig route, dig route, big dig route, inbreaker offplay action for Devonte Smith. So, he can live and
22:16thrive in both worlds, which is why I'm Yeah, I'm I'm very high on Smith as well. I have him wide receiver 11. I
22:22have him ranked ahead of AJ Brown for fantasy this season. Uh, and yeah, I do I think he's going to be really really
22:28good.
22:28>> Um, I really love this pick and I I just think it's one of these guys that could really surprise somebody that could
22:35legitimately be a league winner because of his current ADP and price right now. And I know that sounds like, wow, that's a big
22:43statement, but I mean, again, it's just he fits that profile of that guy that could really just come out gang busters
22:51and really be an absolute gamecher >> um at that wide receiver position. Okay, we've got Rasheed Rice here at at pick
23:00number 31. Go ahead, Matt. I was gonna say we've got two guys honestly in this round that we can just cross off at
23:05third round prices to me which unfortunately is Rishi Rice who's currently in jail. Uh and then we also have Malik. Yeah. Rehab, excuse me,
23:15>> he's rehabbing in jail. I like how there's a post going around that he's got like a a special exception. Oh, of
23:20course he does. Of course he's got like a special exception because he's a he's a football player. Like yeah, guess what? Not re not real, you know, human
23:27being privileges for these folks, too.
23:30Yeah, he's getting he's going to get some special treatment. That's fine.
23:33He's still rehabbing a knee a knee injury, like a knee surgery from jail.
23:36Still crazy. And then the other obviously one that I think you can go ahead and cross off is just like I he
23:40can't take Malik Neighbors at 34th overall. I just said all those things about how incredible he was last year, that 98th percentile success rate versus
23:48press. You punch him into the player comparison tool right now and he's showing two Jamar Chase seasons. Like that's the player that he could be.
23:55Okay. Like if he could he could stay healthy, he could be that guy. But I just don't believe based on what we've
23:59seen right now him, you know, waltzing to first base at the softball game. And then importantly, just all of the updates, I mean, this was an ACL tear
24:08plus a meniscus and he had to have a second cleanup surgery on it. His head coach, John Harbaugh, says that he is in
24:14the quote grind and the slog of a, you know, not just knee injury, not just a simple knee injury. So, yeah, I I think
24:22it's going to like neighbors obviously can't take him here. And frankly, like just because there's so many good receivers in this range, I I really
24:28can't take him there. So, the good part about this third round range, if you want to talk like favorite pick, there's
24:33just I mean, there's just a lot of guys there that we that we like. Chris Olive, I think could have an elite season,
24:39Dvonte Smith, like there's just guys to >> guys to cross off there, Rice. But what do you think about uh Mecha Ibuka as a
24:45as a third rounder? I'm I'm curious your take on that.
24:49>> Well, can we take a just a look at this grouping? And I just have a strong take on this. Amecha Ibuka who we see. We've
24:56got Zay Flowers, Lad McConi, and Garrett Wilson in here. And the funny thing is to me, um I mean, if you're not taking
25:05Lad McConi, what are we doing? You know, like this is this guy's got to be in my opinion, I I'm surprised he's ranked
25:13below a Mecha Ibuka. I'm surprised he's below T. Higgins, A Flowers. It's just to me, he is the number one. And I want
25:20the guy who is the number one, right?
25:22I'm And again, Amecha Ibuku came out gang busters, Matt. Um, we've obviously talked about this a lot on our show that, you know, if you It's so obvious,
25:31you know, like he came out gang busters, he slowed down late. Okay, but here's my my issue with Ibuka at this price, which
25:38is are we sure he's the number one?
25:41>> Are we sure it's not Chris Godwin? Like, I know Chris Godwin is old and boring, you know what I mean? But like, are we
25:47sure it's not Chris Godwin? Like I'm not 100% convinced it's not Chris Godwin being the wide receiver one for Tampa Bay in 2026.
25:55>> Yeah. And like I just actually finished Jaylen McMillan's charting too and like he was I mean it was only four games so
26:00obviously small sample size of course and but he was coming back from neck injury and you know all that and I think
26:06but I think he had a pretty nice year. A couple player comparisons for him. Uh his profile will be up uh should be up
26:12tomorrow morning. But couple comparisons for him. Jerry Judy's 2024 season and Jameson Williams 2024 season. Obviously like those guys are, you know, hit and
26:20miss players, but I think that kind of shows you who uh he is in terms of Jaylen McMillan like a volatile deep
26:27threat that is actually pretty decent.
26:29You know, it was like pretty good. I I I actually was imp pleasantly surprised by what Jaylen McMillan showed, which just
26:35makes it more crowded because obviously they drafted Ted Hurst in the third round.
26:39>> Yeah. I will say though, James, I agree with your point about the the Chris Godwin thing and I think Chris Godwin is
26:45probably underpriced, but I do think that like and and maybe I'm being an idiot here, but the one update that we got from Zack Robinson
26:55when they get well, exactly what you're showing on the screen here right now from from Scribbles, uh is that I I just
27:01like love that Zack Robinson said that he's going to play him as the Z receiver, which in this system will essentially like alternate between
27:08outside off the and in the slot.
27:10>> Yeah.
27:11>> With all the motion and stuff like that.
27:13And man, I just think that's a much better fit for a mecha I bua than how much outside on ball stuff you played
27:18last year.
27:20>> And I kind of I like I said, I don't want to just overindex on one damn comment from OTAAS, which
27:26>> uh a good our good buddy Dan Campbell said called it the pajama party in May.
27:32That's what he referred to OTAAS as, which I love that. So, I don't want to get over overzealous on that, but man, I
27:39do think that that bumped EMCA up in my mind. Like, I was I was kind of concerned about him just being whatever
27:45this year, but I do think he can at least flirt with wide receiver one production, but there's a lot of variables beyond just that. But, I I am
27:52maybe James, you could tell me a receiver dork, but uh I I do think Well, you could definitely tell me that, but
27:57like that I'm overindexed on just receiver dork stuff in terms of getting high on him just with that comment.
28:03>> No, you're not overindexed, dude. First of all, like that you are a a a freaking receiver dork. What are you talking
28:09about? This is the whole brand, man.
28:11It's all good.
28:11>> Yeah, I've even got the Jeffrey Dmer glasses on. Somebody called them Jeffrey Dmer glasses in the chat. Um my sister
28:17said that that to me too about these glasses and I was like, they don't look like Jeffrey, but I guess tough scene.
28:24Anyways, >> yeah. Either way, um in Tampa Bay, I'm not 100% sure. Um, and I, you know, and I, and I saw here, you know, uh, I'm not
28:32worried about Godwin. And I get it.
28:34Like, I'm not saying for sure Godwin's going to be the one, but I'm not not saying it. You know what I mean? Like,
28:42there's there's at least a question there. Whereas in LA, when we're talking about Lad Mcconi, to me, in my mind, there's no question. Like,
28:50he's the number one. And I just talked about the the that that similar JSN profile of like, okay, he played primarily in the slot. um can it kick
28:58outside, do some things uh as an outside receiver, uh both as a flanker and as an X? And honestly, I just think that Lad
29:06Maki is so damn good that he can give you reps outside. I think he can't and and again, we're talking about sub what
29:12sub44 speed. I mean, shoot, why can't he get over the top of some of these guys?
29:17You know what I mean? So, >> I don't know, man. like he is another player that I'm going to invest heavily
29:22in whether we're talking about baseball or reddraft but especially in baseball where you have to chase ceiling where if you're in one of these big tournaments
29:29you got to chase ceiling like let's the only thing we got to chase who cares about floor and safety you know it's
29:34like you only going to win that way and if I'm chasing just pure ceiling upside guys like Devonte Smith I want guys like
29:42Vlad Maki who have a new role there's a huge vacuum of targets that need to be eaten up and I think those guys are the
29:50guys that are going to be, you know, taking those targets home. So, I don't know, man. Like, I look at this group of
29:56players. Um, you know, and again, if you think TE is going to outscore Lad, totally could happen, man. Like, absolutely. You know, Cincinnati's
30:05defense is still not very good. They're going to have to toss the ball all over the yard. T's going to be heavily
30:10involved. If he scores 15 touchdowns, I again, I it'd be great. I I wouldn't be shocked by it. Um, but I think that's
30:18the way that he outscores Lad. It's not going to be through traditional PPR like volume stats, right? Like it's going to
30:24be through touchdowns. And if that happens, then great. Good for him. I just want the guy that in Lad Maki that
30:30I think can catch, you know, 100 to 10 footballs, get you 1500 yards, and surprise you with, you know, anywhere between 8 to 10 touchdowns, man. Like,
30:40that's the kind of player that I want to go go after. And I I really feel confident that that Lad Maki at least
30:46has that profile in him to just shoot the moon. You know what I mean?
30:50>> I dig it. Yeah. No, and I I like where he's going and I'm with you that I think he's undervalued. Wide receiver 18 right
30:56now. I'm going to have him closer to like 15. I'm certainly going to be hiring consensus on him in Dynasty. I
31:01love how by the way we we uh I would just say final answer in terms of round three favorite pick is definitely Chris
31:06Olive, but Ibuka is a little bit close to me. Round four is is we've got a ton of wide receivers to discuss here. We
31:12already breaking down Lad Maki. I love by the way that technically we just skipped over Z Flowers as a [laughter] which kind of feels appropriate.
31:21>> It does. I mean he's you know who he is.
31:23He's a zone beating number one and that's it. You know that's >> I I am excited about this Ravens offense. You know I I actually do think
31:32De Yeah, I think I'm excited to see what Declan do I'm excited to see what Declan Doyle brings to the table. I am excited
31:38about that.
31:39>> I'm excited about that. I know you're never gonna be excited about the 29year-old, you know, uh, offensive coordinator. I get that. I I totally I
31:46totally get it. But just funny that we we skipped over him. [laughter] >> Just we know who Z know who Zay is. Um,
31:55>> we know who Zay is. We know what he's going to do. He looks awesome on the per route metrics. I think he's a really
32:00good player in real life, too. Actually kind of getting like a little underrated, I think, in real life for how good he is.
32:06>> Yeah, that's true. No, no, I think that's true. Yeah, from a fantasy standpoint, like he does, I think, have a little bit of a cap touchdown ceiling
32:12as long as like Derrick Henry is there and everything. Um, the other part of it, too, is just I don't know. I mean,
32:19yeah, I'm with you. Just be kind of skeptical about this Ravens offense, but generally I do think he is a guy that's
32:24probably doesn't have like top five receiver in his range of outcomes where I do think um I think Lad probably does.
32:32But anyways, I do think it's funny we skipped over, but here here are the receivers. Uh we've got in fourth round
32:37ADP and it's a ton of them. Z Flowers, Lad Mccanki, Garrett Wilson, Tedo McMillan, DJ Moore, Luther Burden, Devonte Adams, and Terry McLuren. Um
32:48mixed bag. Any anybody that you love or hate uh in this group.
32:54>> Here's the thing, Matt. Right below those guys is also Jaylen Wadd.
32:57>> Oh, yeah.
32:59>> And I know that we feel really strongly about Jaylen Wadd, too, right? So, uh, >> you want to hear Do you want to hear
33:05where I have Jaylen Wadd ranked?
33:06>> Go ahead.
33:07>> Wide receiver wide receiver 12.
33:10>> I mean, there you go. Boom. That's >> I'm very Yeah. Well, he he's technically fifth round and but whatever. Like, but
33:17still. Yeah. I I'm very high on Jaylen Wadd this year. Almost like two maybe two high.
33:22>> Let Let me ask you a question, Matt. If you were if we were doing this um draft for reals and you had a pick in the like
33:28the second pick of the fourth round and you're looking at this wide receiver list and you see Jaylen Wadd down there,
33:35are you going to risk it?
33:36>> You going just take him?
33:38>> I'm going to just take him. Uh there's nobody here that I would have him ahead of. Honestly, I think when I'm looking
33:44Yeah, I would just I would I would take him over these guys and I would honestly feel great about it. Like I think that
33:49he for me in my rankings I'm going to have >> uh I've got I've got Dvonte Smith, Jaylen Wadd, Vlad Maki, wide receiver 11
33:57uh to 13 there. So yeah, I would not risk it. I would take him uh over all of those guys there. I to me I think
34:03tier-wise uh I definitely would would prefer him higher. It is funny. I just I did see a a name uh excuse me headline
34:12today about uh about Bonix being like he's going to be a more active participant or like more of a something like that in in training camp than he is
34:20in mini camp or something to that nature. Like I would kind of like to hear one really good update about Bo
34:25Nicks before I kind of go >> balls to the wall here like yeah before I before I you know just hang it all out
34:32there for for Jaylen Wadd. But damn. I mean, yeah, it's uh it's it's it's I'm very high on Waddle this year. The other
34:39guy I think is really interesting in this range, too, and he's not the next ranked player after those guys, but it's
34:43Terry McLuren at the end of the round, dude. I mean, >> yeah, >> I think I think Terry's going to have a
34:48massive year this year. Uh, walk me through that, dude. I'm a little bit worried about the age. Um, and I like,
34:55you know, I like the fact that they made a change at OC. You you know me, I'm not a big Cliff Kingsbury guy at all. Um,
35:01but so for them to make any change outside of Cliff Kingsbury, I'm going to enjoy. Um, but but yeah, I know that the
35:07quarterback is getting healthy. Jaden Daniels is is now back there again, uh, healthier. We're now going into year number three. But, man, I I just am a
35:15little bit concerned about the overall health of the offense. You know, it doesn't feel like the offense is in a I
35:25don't know, man. like it it just feels like it's either a midling unit or or going to be struggling to be um
35:30relevant, you know.
35:32>> I hear you. I just think at wide receiver 24 like I think some of the risk is baked in there from an injury
35:38standpoint both for him and I think also last year >> to me I didn't see any signs that like Terry McLuren is declining. I think we
35:46just he was banged up and and kind of started slow because he was the contract holdout guy last year. This is just like
35:52that's what happens, man.
35:53>> Yeah. And I love to hear like how he was at the podium this week talking about how excited he was about the new
35:59offense. I was joking around about this with Justin Boon over on my Yahoo show uh [laughter] about how you know he was
36:07like, "Well, you know, I loved I do love to hear that that David Blau said he's going to move Terry McLuren around and
36:13stuff and and he's like, "But coaches always say that." I was like, "Yeah, but but Boon, this is the one time that like
36:18a coach can say that and he absolutely means it." Yeah. because there's no way he'll move around less [laughter] than he did in the old off. Correct.
36:26>> And I think that's a big part of like why we could see a boost here at least for this year,
36:31>> you know, for Terry McLuren, man. Like that's what I I just think because he's going to move around. I'm probably going
36:36to be overindexed on all these like guys that have some relationship to Ben Johnson just because I think that offense is great, which Blau does, of
36:43course, which uh we talked about Declan Doyle, he does as well. So yeah, I I kind of think like to me just I feel as
36:48if Terry McLaren is like a top 20 player more than like a top 24 receiver, which is kind of where he is um right now. So
36:56I I think I do think Terry's in in line for a good year.
36:59>> Can I can I make this case though because this is a best ball discussion.
37:05I feel like I like Terry a lot more in regular reddraft and not so much for this format because >> I almost kind of feel the opposite.
37:15That's funny.
37:16>> Yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay. You think that some spike weeks could happen here with Terry?
37:21>> Yeah. Right. Like I mean he's a spike week guy and and I do think he's going to run fewer just like straight line
37:27routes um you know and just sort of exceed.
37:33>> He has to. This is what I'm saying. Like he can't he quite literally cannot run fewer straight line routes at the left
37:40outside receiver position. [laughter] like it has to it will happen just mathematically in a cliff offense it's gonna happen.
37:46>> Anyways, >> I still want to say like yeah the just all the skewed alignment player only skewed alignment players in the NFL are
37:52like three Cliff Kingsbury seasons and one Chip Kelly uh Nelson Agro season.
37:55Anyways, >> um but yeah, still I I think that like Terry will have those spike weeks though because he's still a really good
38:01vertical player on the boundary and like he kind of has to be their vertical guy because Antonio Williams I like I'm sure
38:06we'll talk about him at some point but like yeah he's a guy who um is more of a slot Z movearound type player. Can I ask
38:11you about Tedo McMillan?
38:13>> Yeah, one of my favorite players, man. I love this guy.
38:16>> Fourth round ADP, 40th overall. He's sandwiched between Garrett Wilson, who like is just going to do the same thing every year until the end of time where
38:22like we know it could be better, but it probably won't be better, but it'll still be fine. So, I'm okay with him as
38:28a fourth round player. [laughter] And I love Garrett Wilson, but that's just this is the zone we're in right now. DJ
38:34Moore, which I you I wouldn't take DJ Moore at this this price, but so so Tedar McMillan 41st overall. Are you in
38:40on on McMillan at that in that range?
38:42>> Uh, I think I am. Um, again, great player. I mean, who's to say he doesn't take another step forward and and and
38:49you know, just become a more of a beast than he already is. He has he had such a great rookie campaign, man. Like,
38:56>> um, yeah, I want to buy I want to invest in on those guys. And not to mention, um, I know Liam Cohen stole the
39:03the spotlight, but I think Dave Canel's had another great year offensively like designing plays for Carolina. I thought the run game was extremely good. Um, I
39:12thought the passing game was extremely good, too. Like Dave, I think Dave Canales is developing as a head coach, too. So, yeah, let me invest in those
39:20guys.
39:21Yeah, I agree with you about everything you just said in terms of, you know, the the Dave Canal of it all, their run
39:27game, especially uh Nate Tyson and I were talking today for a pre-tape show is going to come out like in July, so it
39:33was like the all average team essentially. And we kind of kept talking about like Panthers offensive lineman and and even I think Trouba Hubard's not
39:41an average NFL back, but he probably is like an average starting back. Rico D kind of like an average starting back
39:46and their run game kicks ass. like that coaching staff is really really good with not a ton of like players, right?
39:51But anyways, I I do think the problem for Tedo McMillan though and I mean last year he was I agree with you really good
39:58for rookie receiver while playing a bunch of big boy ex receiver. But just bottom line, he was wide receiver 26 in
40:07points per game and he was pretty much healthy the entire season. So you can't really do like the oh he was banged up
40:13this that this that and and the other.
40:16And so far, I saw this from Jared Smlet today. Draft Sharks does really good work, and I think this is just, we all
40:22know this, but it's probably worth pointing it out. Uh, he he noted that quarterback Bryce Young returns for his fourth NFL season, limiting his offenses
40:30upside. Young has mustered 6.0 yards per attempt for his career, including 6.3 in each of the last two seasons. Carolina hasn't finished better than 23rd in
40:39total yards or points in any of Young's three seasons. This is how it uh ranks.
40:45They ran in his rookie season 32nd in yards, 29th in 2024, and 27th last year when he was better points, 32nd in his
40:55rookie year, 23rd in 2024, and 27th in points in yards last year. So, it's just kind of like, and now there's like a lot of other pass
41:03catchers in the mix, too. You know, they draft Chris Brazzle, who I think will be more of a clear out guy and actually
41:09could help McMillan play fewer X snaps.
41:12Um, you know, my guy Coker is a baller freaking stud.
41:18>> Uh, come on. Let's go Jaylen Coker. And they're gonna be runheavy. Like they are going to be run heavy. So I do think the
41:25volume could be just a problem for Tedaro and McMillan.
41:29>> Can I I I want to offer one counter to that, which is uh two years ago Carolina's defense was one of the worst
41:35in the NFL. Last year they were absolutely respectable. Um, if you didn't think they were respectable, you just weren't watching Carolina games.
41:42And by the way, if you want to watch your Carolina games, I don't [laughter] >> that's what we do.
41:48>> We do that. You guys don't have to.
41:50>> But Carolina's defense was absolutely respectable. As a matter of fact, I would argue they were one of the better run defenses in the NFL, which was a
41:59shocking development. A shocking development given what we had seen two years ago uh with Carolina. Now, it's kind of sort of like, all right, where
42:08do we land on this defense, Matt?
42:10Because if Carolina's defense takes a step back, and I think that they will. I think they over overperformed last year.
42:16I think if they take a step back, I think Carolina will be forced into more heavier pass game scripts and potentially we see a little bit of more
42:25of T McMillan. And by the way, if he be if he takes a step forward, isn't it possible too that he becomes a target
42:34sponge where it's just like, dude, we just got to get this guy the [ __ ] football, you know?
42:38>> Yeah. Um, and I agree with you. Like I like Jaylen Coker. I really do. He's a really good player.
42:43>> Careful.
42:43>> Um, [laughter] no, but but but who I mean the the tight end room is a little is very much a work in progress. The
42:51running backs like they they're not going to throw to the running backs all that often. I I I feel as if if the
42:58target if the target volume has to come up, passing volume comes up just a little bit. And if Ted takes a step
43:03forward and becomes more of a target hog, well, now we're throwing on two and a half more targets per game and then
43:11all of a sudden he becomes now he elevates, you know?
43:14>> Yeah. I could just see him being kind of like a solid wide receiver, too, more than like a wide, which I obviously is
43:20fair where he's going, you know? I just I just do think the up like the path to upside for him >> is a is a little capped which maybe
43:29that's more of like a dynasty ranking take than a reddraft take. But >> when I look at the like I do see a path
43:35honestly for Terry McLuren to finish as a wide receiver one. You know, I I do think it's probably unlikely, but I do
43:43see a path where Garrett Wilson kind of has, you know, that that se like a wide receiver one season if Gino Smith is
43:51just better and like they're throwing the football because their defense isn't very good. Like I think that's >> that's possible. Uh even Luther Burton,
43:58again, I think it's unlikely. Uh and I prefer a Dunay around later than Burden.
44:03We can talk about that in a second here because I know people want to hear about the foot stuff with the
44:06>> Dunes.
44:08pause. Uh, but I think like when you when you look at like just the whole uh Luther Burton part of it, like he's he
44:14that offense could just be so good that everybody eats and he just has like a monster year. So I I do just wonder if
44:19the upside path for for Mc for McMillan's a little harder to paint. But yeah, I don't know.
44:25>> I think that's totally fair.
44:27>> Yeah, I'm I'm again I'm just trying to paint a picture uh that he can, you know, rise to that level. But man,
44:32there's there's a lot of moving parts when when you start talking about that here. Uh, anyone in this group here that
44:38you've gotten major concerns with? Um, you said you're not a DJ Moore guy. You know, again, I I just I wonder, you
44:43know, it's like he's working with a great quarterback in um in Buffalo there with Josh Allen. He's clearly the number one. I I can't imagine there's somebody
44:53else that we we like more than DJ Moore uh in Buffalo. And yet, I I think I'm kind of sort of with you. I think
45:00there's too many red flags on his profile where I'm like, I don't know, man. He could go the other way where he
45:07just completely falls off too. I I think that is part of the range of outcomes when we're talking about DJ Moore.
45:14>> I Yeah, I do just kind of feel like every season, at least the last three, last two in Chicago and then this year.
45:21I just feel like DJ Moore is not like a like a guy I just oh my god, I got to fade him. But I just like always a
45:27little overpriced in fantasy. And I think he's always just been one of those guys that fantasy managers have been higher on, you know, maybe than than I
45:34would think. So, I think he's a really good player. I'm a fan of DJ DJ's game.
45:38And um I I honestly think that, you know, DJ I really like talking to DJ and like I he's was a good great interview.
45:47I've always really liked speaking with him over the years, but just to me, I just I you know, it's it's kind of like
45:53the play is definitely lower than where it was in Carolina. I think he fits Joe Brady's offense. And I actually like Joe
45:58Brady maybe more than um the consensus does. But yeah, to me I just feel like he's a more of a fifth rounder than a
46:04fourth rounder. Like I look at some of the receivers in the fifth round. I think I like these [clears throat] guys
46:08at least more if and certainly Waddle who we already talked about.
46:12>> Yeah, >> I like these guys better than I I would like they're at least they should be in the same round as DJ Moore.
46:18>> Jaylen Wadd, Jameson Williams. Um you've got Mike Evans here in the mix. Romeo Dunay who everyone is very concerned with and the newly paid, newly minted
46:30Christian Watson in this price range as well. Um, give me your thoughts here on some of these players. Maybe we start
46:38here with Rome. Uh, we talked about him on the podcast, but again, new >> we avoided talking about him on the
46:44podcast cuz we were [laughter] going long.
46:48>> Correct. But the foot injury update in regards to Romo Duna, he says it just even now still doesn't feel like he's,
46:55you know, his old self. It's it's interesting. I think a lot of people who are um more injury, you know, there's
47:05like a lot of like Twitter doctors and stuff and I and I don't mean that disparagingly, by the way. There's there's like Twitter doctors are
47:11>> literally doctors on Twitter. Yeah, >> exactly. And they're amazing, dude.
47:14You know, like such great information. Um so yeah. Um, and so I've seen a lot of th of them post that
47:23they're not that concerned and you know the feeling is different than the performance and I think there's something to that but still though
47:32obviously an area of concern. Yeah, it's here's the way I would say it. And I I actually thought Adam Levantan had a
47:39really good uh post on this where he said how to react to the Roma Dunay um you know no like foot thing is
47:47essentially uh if you're a Luther burden truther you'd be like yes he Rome is cooked and if you are uh like a Roma
47:53doomsday bro you just [laughter] say the uncatch you just you wave it off you say the uncatchable target stat again and
47:59and you remind everybody that he was hurt when he was bad last year. Um, and as a certified Roma Dunce bro, I'm not
48:05going to actually fully brush it off.
48:06I'm actually going to shockingly come down in the center on this. And look, I Yeah, shocker. But the reality is, man,
48:12like number one, like nobody knows. I do think the the quote, which of course was aggregated and stupid and whatever. Um,
48:22like when you actually look at what he said, um, he was asked when did your foot feel normal again? After he was
48:28talking, he was, you know, saying he was asking, "Is your foot 100% healthy?" and he said, "I mean, I feel like if you
48:33break a bone, you always got to make sure you're on top of it. I continue to rehab on it, make sure I'm keeping it
48:37strong, that's both feet, whether it comes to different exercises that give me and the rehab as well that I do uh
48:42off the field. But I feel like, yeah, you got to stay on top of it." Uh 100 when we're in the Super Bowl and we win
48:46that and we raise that trophy, it'll feel 100. And he was asked, "When did your foot feel normal again?" He said,
48:51"Felt normal. Felt usual." Pause in the transcript. This is my new normal. This is my new normal. It's not from a
48:58standpoint like I'm always in pain, but the way my foot broke, there's a callous in there that creates a different type
49:03of foot structure with those bones and different things. It kind of uh shifted things around. My new normal is kind of
49:09what I'm growing into. And I don't think that's anything that's going to prohibit me or keep me from making plays, but I
49:15feel like with the break, it's like when you tear your AC joint, it never really gets back to normal. Shout out to Keenan
49:20Allen. He tapped the shoulder bump. It's a little different, but we go on. Uh, so I think the like full quote is less
49:27scary than the >> I agree, >> you know, oh, it doesn't feel normal.
49:31Um, and I but I will admit as somebody that has uh it it has a um, you know, as a Rashad Baitman guy who he had the Liz
49:40Frank injury and I really think he was never the same after that. I'm going to, you know, I'm going to at least
49:44acknowledge it. I'm going to keep an eye on it. I'm not going to ignore it. It's something to monitor, but I don't think
49:47it like changed anything. Any ways, um, I also think that the the the the idea too that just like he's out there
49:54practicing in OTAAS. He's not limited at all. By all the reports, he looks good.
49:58He's fully participating, everything. I think that's um that's totally like fine. By the way, also, just because this was in the chat, the uh Ray GQ
50:06cited something today from a Jesse Morris ex post about Allen Robinson commenting on it say he never felt the same. Not an apples to apple comp. But I
50:14just want to address this too because as an Allen Robinson guy, I did see that he replied to Jesse Morris and said, you
50:19know, he had a foot fracture in year nine and it was just never really the same. And people saw they're like, "Oh,
50:23that was what crushed Alen Robinson." I will say, and I say this is an A-Rod guy. I love I love Allen Robinson.
50:29>> But year nine was in the middle of that Rams season. I I I think we can and I think people forget that when he said
50:36year nine, they're like, "Oh, see I kind of think it wasn't going very well for Alan Robinson before that foot fracture." So, I I just want to note
50:42that like because that felt I think that added to the scariness of it and yeah, I just wanted to note that.
50:48>> That's good stuff, man. I think that's uh that's perfect um you know, context in regards to what Allan Robinson said right there. That's
50:55really really good. Uh okay, so we've got again we've got Roma Dunce here going I mean a fullon round after Luther
51:04Burton. I just find that to be very interesting. It really feels like and we've seen this in years past where guys
51:10go like back to back, you know, where like they're basically their prices are exactly the same and it feels as if um I
51:16don't know the the fantasy community at large feels so much better about Luther Burden and then there's like then there's like old heads like me, you
51:24know? I'm just like give me the guy who's got better price because I kind of view them as the same where it's just
51:31like what the pricing is wrong, you know? Like it feels like they should be the same. Give me the guy who's a full
51:37round cheaper than Luther Burton. I totally agree. And the other part, and that that's just the strategy part of it, like I want all of these Bears pass
51:47catchers and I'm just getting one cheaper than the other uh by a full round in terms of the wide receivers.
51:54And I will say like this is more of a contrarian thing and I'm just filing away. I love Coulson Lovelin. I'm a big
52:00Coulson Lovelin guy. He's obviously a stud, but like there's two wide receivers competing for targets here.
52:04And typically we just see wide receivers outperform tight ends. So I just think that's a little bit something to file away as everybody's just kind of
52:11>> penciling in Coulson Level will easy easily be the most productive player on this passing game. And I love Coulson Lovelin, so don't take it as as Lovelin
52:18shade. But the Rome thing too, I will just end up ranking Rome ahead of Luther Burton because he's I just think he's
52:26he's a like what we've seen from him is as better than Luther Burton. I think it's a tossup >> in terms of which ones the wide receiver
52:32won if you want to go down that road.
52:34But, you know, Rum's a third-year player who was a starter last year and when he was healthy before the injury was
52:42playing extremely well. Like a couple of random drops here and there, sure, but like Luther Burton never really fully like broke out from a like I know he had
52:51great per route stats and and I'm high on Luther Burton, but I also think that we are forgetting that Adun started,
53:00played really well, and like was a full-time starter. I've never actually seen Luther Burton as a full-time starting receiver, but I think he's good
53:07and I think he can be. But it's just I do find that the ADP is just overindexing on what we saw most
53:13recently, which by the way was also not even most recent. It was just fantasy.
53:17Like in the postseason, Luther Burton disappeared.
53:20>> Like he [laughter] he did go, >> dude. It's a great >> the per route stats. Got to cut you got
53:25to cut him off at the postseason cuz he averaged like one yard per route in the postseason. So that's >> yeah I I just think at some point like
53:33we we just are like people love Luther Burton because they love yards per route run and I I love it's a great stat and I
53:39think Luther Burn's a good player but I I think Rome should be ranked ahead this year.
53:43>> I just think he does more on the football field like he can he can run more actual routes like he can be a
53:50bigger part of Ben Johnson's like you know regular structured offense. Um I just I don't know man. Anyways, >> I think I think that's true. I think
54:00that's true. I just would say like they get they can both get to explosive plays. I do think like >> burden is a little safer from
54:08quarterback chaos. So, it does kind of depend on your um your quarterback take.
54:12Uh or like if you think Caleb Williams is going to take a step forward, I think you should be high on Roma Dunce. If you
54:16think Caleb Williams is not going to take a step forward, like yeah, Burton getting probably the easier layup targets like you're going to rack up a
54:22lot of like in a PPR format like this, you're going to rack up a lot of catches. So, by no means am I out on
54:27Luther Bird and I just am in on Roma Dunes. Like, I think they probably should both be fourth round picks.
54:32>> Yeah. Like, it's it's like I said, it's just especially at cost, right? Like, >> yeah, >> give me the guy who's going a full round
54:38later, man. Totally.
54:38>> Um, okay. So, when you take a look at the next round again, it's it's kind of sort of interesting. I don't know where
54:43you're at Christian Watson. I I I'm actually surprised to see him this high.
54:47Uh, but we've got Carnell Tate, Parker Washington, uh, Marvin Harrison Jr., Jordan Tyson. Jordan Tyson going this high too is a little bit of a surprise
54:57here too, man. Uh but what do you think about this ne next batch of wide receivers?
55:01>> Yeah, talk about like we haven't seen anything from Rome about oh like he says this thing about his foot and they're
55:06like not managing him. He's fully go fully going. They were like yeah we want to get 17 games out of him. Let's go.
55:11Meanwhile, Ben Johnson is like almost kind of throwing Kyler Gordon under the bus because he's been dealing with injuries. So very different reactions
55:18there in terms of players that have been hurt lately. But I say that to say that like the Saints are already actively
55:23managing Jordan Tyson, which I do think is an interesting variable when we're talking about him as a sixth round fantasy pick and and that was why some
55:29people had skepticism about him as a prospect because of the injury. So something to file away there. Don't want to overreact of course to the pajama
55:35party in May. Uh as Dan Campbell put it, although we are in June, I think we're still in the pajama parties. I like
55:41Carninal Tate in the sixth round, man. I really do. I think when we did one of our videos on the YouTube channel, which
55:47by the way, if you're watching the YouTube channel, you're watching this with us right now and a lot of you guys
55:50haven't watched it, you should subscribe to the freaking channel if you haven't already.
55:54>> Exactly.
55:54>> Subscribe to the channel. Come on.
55:56Anyways, we did a video about like guys that are rookies we like. And I like Carnell Tate simply because I think by
56:02the time you guys are doing DraftKings drafts and best and everything in like a month or two, he's going to be a fifth
56:07rounder, not a sixth rounder. So therefore, I really like that sixth round ADP on him. I think Cam Ward, I saw our quarterback uh writer charter
56:15Alfredo Brown is going to file a Cam Ward piece here soon and he's really excited about what he saw. And Cam Ward,
56:21I know other quarterback evaluators are.
56:23So, I think there's still some there's some questions to be answered by Ward for sure, but I think he has the ceiling
56:28to uh to really kick ass like if everything comes together for Cam Ward and then Carnell Tate obviously will benefit.
56:35>> Uh retired Ridley truther, we appreciate you right there. [laughter] >> Yeah, great handle, man. a great handle.
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57:12you take a look. You like Carnell Tate.
57:13I love Carnell Tate. Um, there's been a a big question, I think, in Jacksonville in regards to, okay, you see Parker
57:20Washington at 63, Brian Thomas Jr.
57:24almost 10 picks later at 71.
57:27Where are we at in Jacksonville when we're talking about these two guys?
57:31>> All right, I'm not going to cop out here, but, you know, we are, shockingly for the two of us running long and uh,
57:38we're only in the sixth round. I'd like to get to at least into the double digits here. So, I'm not going to cop
57:43out, but I'm going to cop out and say like >> I just haven't charted Parker Washington yet. And I really think he's like a guy
57:48I need to chart before I I give like a full take on. Um I do like Parker Washington. Um but I but I think Brian
57:55Thomas Jr. in the seventh round is a solid bet. You know, I think talked about him on reception perception of the
58:01show where I said I'm kind of willing to give him a pass for what he did last year like on on film, you know, just
58:07because of the injuries. I don't know if you saw him talking about his injury at OTAAS where he said uh well it doesn't
58:12hurt to run anymore >> uh now that [snorts] he's a little healthier. So that's good that I was like yeah it looked like it hurt last
58:18year and yeah for a wide receiver I think that's a good freaking update.
58:22Anyways uh I that's good to see from him and I do think that he he can bounce back individually. I think fantasy-wise
58:29the question is just like how crowded it is there which I think is a big variable. Um, is it I I just feel like
58:36Jordan Tyson's too high here, man. Like I like Shock. I like New Orleans. I love what >> I love Shock, but Yeah.
58:41>> I mean, yeah, I like what New Orleans is doing for sure. It just feels Man, it just feels This feels like a very pricey
58:46pick here. Jordan Tyson uh in the mid60s to me.
58:51>> Yeah. And Mai Lemon in the seventh round two is like I'm not really into either of those two rookies in reddraft this
58:56year. Yeah. I mean, like, if we get a lot of good reports about Jordan Tyson, he's smoking training camp and he's
59:02fully healthy and everything, like I'm I probably would be a little bit more in there. But I do just think Chris is
59:07going to be the guy that's going to have a a monster monster year.
59:10>> Um, level of concern, very quickly, level of concern for Alec Pierce and his offseason ankle injury.
59:17>> I mean, definitely something to note and also just a guy that wide receiver 34 I think is a perfect price for him. 72
59:24overall. Uh but I do, you know, he's never he's a guy that's a really good player. Obviously, his reception perception profile. Um you know, he he
59:32shows that like he can do more than just be a vertical, you know, go route guy or whatever. Um, but still I think even if
59:40he is the player he was last year when he had this big season, you know, he's pretty comparable to like uh early
59:46career Nico Collins and and you know there's like a Mike Evans season in there and stuff like that. But so it's
59:51just kind of going to be a guy that runs a little hot and cold, you know, um if he even if he does hit and is healthy.
59:58So I think there's some level of concern uh for him for sure.
60:02>> By the way, can I um I know we haven't talked about Marvin Harrison Jr. yet, but my my fantasy take on Marvin
60:07Harrison Jr. is that he did not get to participate um in the in the crazy output production-wise that they got >> the scam.
60:20Did not participate in the scam. Um and and I'd be interested to see a full season of this. Plus, they've got, you
60:28know, um little Laflur over there, so they're going to restructure that offense >> uh just a little bit. But it's like,
60:34come on. like there are I think there's indicators that Marvin Harrison could legitimately take um a really I don't want to say huge step forward but a step
60:44forward you know could Marvin Harrison Jr. be you know an 1100 yard guy with you know six to eight touchdowns I I
60:51think so I think so um I I like the at least I like the upside for Marvin Harrison Jr. everyone's off on him
61:00because he went fourth overall and it's been an absolute struggle um on the football field. And I think that's fair, but when I look at the, you know,
61:10offensive kind of like ecosystem there in Arizona, I'm I am more intrigued now that he could potentially have a full season of Jacobe Brassette. Yeah, I had
61:20a whole rant on this on my Yahoo show about the floor, you know, and this the quotes getting poorly aggregated that he
61:26said Devont like Mike uh Michael Thor said that Marvin Hash Jr. was in the Dvonte Adams role and Michael Wilson was
61:33going to be in the Pukanur role, which is quite literally not what he said, but he outlined how he was going to move all
61:38these guys around [laughter] uh and everything and sort of compared it to those two guys because one plays X and one plays Z. But it but he did
61:46discuss how everybody's going to kind of motion around and and all that and and get some layup routes which is going to
61:51be great for Harrison. I really like him in this system. I also really like Michael Wilson in this system who does
61:56go another round like a full round later which kind of to our Bears conversation.
62:00It's like well does that make sense?
62:01Should these guys actually be going in the same round? I think there's an argument there because the one of the the very accurate but funny retorts to
62:08the whole thing was like who's playing the Matthew Stafford role? Nobody.
62:12That's obviously going to be a problem for all these guys is just the quarterback play. I I think Brassette >> is good enough to get these guys to
62:19football and be good for fantasy, but is he going to be good for real life? No.
62:24And then when do we see, you know, Carson Beck and how excited are you about that?
62:29>> I don't know. I know Alfredo Brown super low on Beck, but I just have watched enough college football to say Beck it
62:36can play to a replacement level. Yeah.
62:40to a degree, you know, um I he's not going to be I mean, he has so much starting experience, man. He's seen some
62:47highlevel defenses. Carson Bet can play.
62:50I I don't know if he's he's not a top level dude, obviously, but I think if he was asked to be a backup and and fill in
62:57for Jacobe Brassette at times, I don't think the offense is going to crater.
63:01That would be my thought um on Beck. So, um anyways, okay. So, when we get down here now into the 80s, we've got Michael
63:09Wilson, Courtland Sutton, uh Chris Godwin at 87. Like I said, man, like the price differential and the price discrepancy between a Mecha Ibuka and
63:18Chris Godwin Jr. seems it just seems out of whack a little bit to me.
63:22>> I think it's fair. I I don't think you have to dislike Ibuka to like Godwin at 87th overall ADP. I do I I think you
63:32have to solve the Jaylen McMillan variable. like how good is and because I do kind of like I liked what I saw from
63:38him. Again, his profile will be up. I think he can be like a real he actually played more ex receiver than I ever
63:44thought possible last year in those brief four games and did pretty well to beat man coverage. So, uh that he could
63:51be a little bit like sacrificial in that for which would be good for Ibuka and for Godwin. So, like I do think ADP's
63:57got it right. But in a best format, I think McMillan would make sense as a late round pick. I don't even know like
64:02he's got to be going Yeah. like an 140 overall. I actually think that's a really good price on Jaylen McMillan and
64:08and I think he could be like a cheap guy to acquire in Dynasty right now. But overall, um yeah, I do think that
64:15Godwin's price there is is probably my favorite of these guys. Although I will say I do want to bring up like just
64:22because we're in this range of like the 80s, 90s, like the eighth round.
64:26I'm I don't know, James, you might have backed me into the corner into being like a Quinton Johnson guy this year.
64:32>> Yeah, I did. I have >> I think you did. I think you did, dude.
64:36>> Cuz I hate it, dude. Like, come on, man.
64:37>> I know. I think you you you honestly, if we're being honest, you gaslit me twice this week. You gaslit me into that Drake
64:44London rant. Uh and [laughter] then you you gaslit me into this Quinton Johnson take.
64:49>> Yeah.
64:49>> Because I just look at this like >> Quinton Johnson I I think uh look, and to be clear, I've never been a I was not
64:57a big Quinton Johnson guy in his first two years in the NFL. I was he was terrible, especially as a rookie. He
65:03like has one of the worst rookie seasons in reception perception history. But he has I don't think but he's not that
65:09player anymore. Like he's a solid I think starting receiver who can make some plays. I don't know that Trey Harris is going to push him. I don't I
65:18don't think Keenan Allen's coming back.
65:19So like he's going to be the starting outside receiver, a downfield guy in Justin Herbert and Mike McDaniels offense. Like I like the math kind of works there and
65:31I just don't think he's so bad anymore that he's you know like I think he got better last year. We talked about this
65:37in the season. He he got better last year as a player.
65:42>> Yes.
65:45>> Yes.
65:46>> I mean yes. But it's >> you just like don't want to admit it.
65:50>> I know. I know. No. Listen, we talked about this extensively during the year.
65:55You and I have had a lot of conversations in regards to QJ, man, but like I think last year was his absolute
66:03peak. Like I don't see a path where he gets better from last year. I I just think that first of all, kudos to John
66:11Harbaugh or Jim Harbaugh, man. Like he's just so god dang good at getting the most out of these guys and putting them
66:17in in positions to succeed. I I'm struggling to find a role where QJ is a regular contributor in this Mike McDaniel offense. I I really am like
66:27what's the role here, you know? Um he can't c he can't be a vertical guy cuz he can't catch footballs over his
66:33shoulder. Um you know, we now we have to like cater, you know, like shots to him in the short area, like quick slants
66:42where he can like run and go, maybe some drag routes where he can run and go.
66:46Yeah, I mean those are all over the Mike McDaniel. Like I honestly kind of think uh >> Yeah, but those are but see those are
66:54targets that go like again when we saw in Miami that went to like Tyreek Hill and and freaking Jaylen Wadd like that's
67:01Lad McConi and I don't know who else but like it might it's not QJ. We're doing the thing that I and I'm going to do the
67:08thing that I hate which is like this guy's role is this guy. Yeah. Yeah.
67:12Yeah. Exactly. It's not that. But but I do think to your point, if we're thinking about the two receiver set in
67:18Miami, and I think this will be a lot be a very two receiver heavy offense because they added a freaking fullback
67:24and two tight ends to the mix here. So they're going to be two receivers and like in those looks for Miami, Lad Maki,
67:31I think, will be where Tyreek Hill was, which was just the offball movement guy running these big breaking routes, get him in the slot sometimes, too. And I
67:38think he's going to smoke in that role.
67:41But so and that will that means that Quinton Johnson will have to play the Jaylen Wadd role of the outside on ball
67:47player which like to be fair he's not he's not great at that's not his optimal usage. He needs to move around more I I
67:55okay [laughter] that's so bad.
67:58>> It's not but but he's been already been that in the NFL. He's every year he's an outside on ball player. He just he but
68:05he's going to run more breaking routes as that player because that's what Jaylen Wadd did and fewer go routes which is what he did as Greg Roman's
68:11offense and you said last year was his peak. Okay. Where do you think I'm going to do this to you again just like we did
68:16with Quinton [laughter] Johnson. Where do you think Quinton Johnson ranked in half PPR points per game last year?
68:22>> Uh half PPR I'm going to say he finished as the wide receiver 28.
68:3025 >> and he's going off the board here in the 40s and I think the offense is going to be better this year and more
68:38concentrated.
68:39>> Yeah.
68:39>> Like you've really gas like I mean f you pal. You've really gaslit me into being like a Quinton Johnson.
68:44>> You're a QJ defender now all of a sudden. It's crazy.
68:47>> I'm QJ's lawyer. [laughter] >> What's going on? I don't know.
68:51>> He got better last year.
68:53>> I'm so hard on him. I'm so hard on him that that centrist Matt has to take the other side, bro. It's crazy. taking a
68:59hard stance. Yeah, I've [laughter] been gas lit into this.
69:03>> This is so great, dude. I love it, man.
69:05Anyways, hey, listen. I wish we got further along here, but uh but we did not. Uh Matt needs to go pack and I need
69:11to go see my kids.
69:12>> So, let me just give my two picks just so we could say we get to double digits.
69:17Even 10 number round nine, very obviously it's Josh Downs is my favorite pick there. Obviously, 106th overall, the Ricky Pierol is enticing as a round
69:25nine pick. uh was I just finished up his profile. Really good. Please, please, please, please give this guy more short routes and routes off the [laughter]
69:34ball this year. And then round 10, honestly, jeez, round 10's like Xavier Worthy, Matthew Golden, Romeo Dobs. Honestly, like not that great of a receiver round.
69:45So, I'll just go Jaylen Coker round 11.
69:47You take him in round 10 instead.
69:49Although, I think Matthew I do think Matthew Golden is is totally is acceptable in round 10. I'm just not like running to the mat to to push the
69:56button.
69:57>> Yeah. Um I we talked I talked about Rasheed Shahed in our deep sleeper segment I believe or maybe maybe it was
70:04I don't know where I talked you liked.
70:07Yeah.
70:07>> Oh yeah. Okay. Yeah. Sure. But uh he's going around pick 150s. Go give me Rashid Shahed in that price range there
70:13too. Um a lot of interesting wide receivers by the way outside of the top 150 like Omar Cooper Jr.'s in here.
70:19Travis Hunter like I don't know what he ends up doing but he's in this mix too.
70:23Um, you know, we to we talked about um Denzel Boston is in here. I don't know, man. There there's some interesting
70:29names for sure. Uh, but we talked about three deep sleepers we liked. If you guys want to go check out that uh on the
70:35channel there as well. Anyways, uh, we got to go. I can't believe we talked about QJ again. Matt, why are we talking
70:43about >> I think that's like as [laughter] close as we get to fighting me and you.
70:48>> Dude, what's going on, bro?
70:49>> We're we're we're we're business partners. You think usually that's like a, you know, a combative, not com like a good kind of combative rel.
70:56>> Yeah, sure. Obviously, >> but the probably the most we've ever fought about was was Quinton [laughter] Johnson just >> we've we've run a we've run a business
71:05together for like what almost five years.
71:08>> Almost five years now. Yeah.
71:09>> Which is crazy. I think it has been five years. We since we launched the site in March 21. So, it's been five years. Our
71:15most uh intense and heated conversation was about Quinton Johnson [laughter] in 2026 best baseball. There we go. This is fantastic. Anyways, hey, we
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71:47>> More than I mean, it's going to be more than that, pal. We'll we'll figure out when I'm not the next two weeks, I'm not
71:52going to be on the show. So, you you figure that you do whatever you want. I don't know. But then I'll be back.
71:56>> I'll be back.
71:57>> Then he'll be back. Then I'll be gone.
71:59So, I don't know. This is all crazy stuff. Anyways, um okay. Listen, again, we appreciate you guys out there, man.
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73:14Check it out. Uh so yeah, you can let DraftKings know that we sent you and you can draft Quinton Johnston and and win
73:19the million. [laughter] >> Win a million bucks, dude. Off of the back of QJ. There it is. [gasps] All right, guys. We'll see you guys. We
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73:27All right. Peace.