0:00Well, if we're talking about quick game, Luther Burden is certainly one of those guys that are that's very exciting, I think, in the quick game. This is a
0:08player that in his first seven games did nothing. And as a matter of fact, in his first seven games, Matt, I really I've
0:17said this stat before and I really just can't believe it. But in his first seven games, he had three different games
0:23where he had negative receiving yards.
0:26>> [laughter] >> That is incredible.
0:29That being said, in his final eight games, he started to come alive. 5.6 targets, 4.3 receptions, 60.1 yards. He only had
0:40one touchdown in that time span, as well, but a really impressive 75% catch rate during those final eight games. If you stretch that out, he was on pace for
0:501,022 yards over those final eight.
0:54Now, let me ask you this, Matt.
0:57I think more casual fans have absolutely no idea who the hell Luther Burden is. Like none. Right? Like I Like I said, he only caught one
1:05touchdown. And casual fans, they they see a lot of touchdowns, red zone and highlights and all that kind of stuff, right? Okay. But there are a
1:13I think an inordinate amount of folks who cover football professionally that seemingly cannot stop talking about Luther Burden. Like they love the
1:25prospect of Luther Burden going into 2026. Where do you fall in terms of what Luther Burden might look like in 2026?
1:36>> Look at the release.
1:37>> There's your separation.
1:38>> Great route.
1:39>> Stutter and go. Gets by clean.
1:40>> That is unbelievable.
1:42>> May be the greatest catch I've ever seen.
1:47>> Yeah, well, number one, there's there's a lot of reasons why people would like Luther Burden. One of which is because
1:54he's a really exciting player.
1:57and frankly easy player to like with the ball in his hands. I mean, he is dynamic after the catch. Um Uh
2:06>> [clears throat] >> Roma Odunze, his teammate, told me uh that they say in the building like whenever Luther Burden catches a
2:11football in space, I guess like a punt return is about to happen because that is how dynamic he is, you know, with
2:17that football in his hands. His reception perception charting data backs that up as well. Like this is a guy that easily I mean, this these type of
2:24players are very easy to like because what they do is easy to see, right? Like these all these are fine route runners
2:32and technicians. People watching games on Sunday don't don't, you know, you don't get a get a real good glimpse of that, but you do get a glimpse of like,
2:39"Oh, that guy caught a screen pass or a quick in-breaker and got you 10 plus Yeah, yeah, exactly.
2:45Or got you 10 plus yards. In addition to a broke tackles, is really hard to bring down. He's slippery. Like all that is
2:50very easy to like. That's part of it.
2:53The other part of it is and and we don't have to give you the stat specifically because uh every other, you know, podcast that
3:01talks about Luther Burden is going to mention that his like yards per route run as a rookie is one of the best ever
3:06for uh any any rookies. It's like right behind Odell Beckham among rookie receivers. So, yards per route run, people like that stat. It's a good stat.
3:13It's also worth noting the other guys that he's up up top there with. They're all going to be some of the best
3:17receivers you've you've seen of late like Odell Beckham, A.J. Brown, Justin Jefferson are is up there. These rookie yards per route Luther Burden was a
3:24part-time player doing that. These other guys were full-time players. I think So, that's obviously context worth noting even though again, he is definitely a uh
3:31a really really good player and I'm not taking away from him when I say that.
3:35The other thing is that he uh quite literally won people their fantasy football championships. His best game uh from >> [laughter]
3:42>> uh yourself include by by me included, by the way. I I won a fantasy football championship with >> [laughter] >> with Luther Burden on my roster uh in
3:50week 17 and people remember that, right?
3:53Like because we we talked about it.
3:54People remember the end of the season at a really high rate. It's the most recent thing um you have seen, and Luther
4:01Burden in week 17 against the San Francisco 49ers caught eight of his nine targets for 138 yards and one of his two
4:09touchdowns on the season uh did Luther Burden there. Now, what people don't often talk about is that he was not good
4:16in the postseason, you know, whatsoever.
4:19Uh like all that yards per route run stuff. They usually cut it off there.
4:22They cut it off a week 18. Don't mention that he uh 14 targets, 42 yards in one game, uh 24 in the other.
4:30>> Yeah.
4:30>> Uh had a miscommunication on a route with Caleb Williams, a drop in another.
4:33So, definitely like that was part of it, too, that I wouldn't say just like soared at the end of the year. There's
4:39that There's that context as well. So, that's why people like Luther Burden because, quite frankly, from a stats perspective, from an eye test
4:45perspective, he is a really easy player to like, and his reception perception profile's really good as well, which you can talk about.
4:52>> Yeah, I mean, listen, when we're talking about these thresholds, he clearly crossed those thresholds, right? Like 71% success rate versus man, 80% success
5:00rate versus zone. Again, as a freaking rookie, >> [laughter] >> anytime you cross those thresholds, there is a lot to like. Okay. Now, Matt,
5:10I don't I I guess I I fall kind of sort of like on the lower range of this uh excitement. Um I think he's a good
5:18player. I don't see him as a great player. Um and and I'll explain like because again, like you take a look at
5:24the success rates and you're thinking to yourself, wow, this is really good yards per route run. Oh my gosh, really really
5:28good Luther Burden.
5:29Just it's just too much of this like like we're we're generating touches for this guy, you know? And it's like I don't see
5:37enough like real receiver stuff. And like I don't know. Maybe I'm just I don't know. Maybe I'm just like too spoiled with the whole like reception
5:45perception stuff. But I just like man, I I don't know like I don't see enough like real receiver stuff to be like, oh my god, I'm going all in on
5:53Luther Burden. Like this isn't that guy to me. I think he is a player who's a good player, but again, I just don't see enough refinement
6:03and ability to get open in multiple areas of the field where I'm going to say to myself, yeah, I'm going to invest
6:08in that guy.
6:10>> Um yeah, I I think that there's some truth to that. I wouldn't say full truth full truth to that in terms of the
6:17Luther Burden kind of real receiverness.
6:20I mean, >> [snorts] >> I I would say that anyone who's over 70% success rate versus man, which he is at
6:2771.1%.
6:29Like that's real enough for me, especially with some of the routes that he is good on.
6:33You know, dig route success rate is almost 85%.
6:37Really awesome. Like he's so good in the intermediate area. And this was true of him as a prospect, too, by the way.
6:43Particularly how he works outbreaking routes against man coverage, which which was true at Missouri and was true in the NFL. 73% success rate on out
6:54routes.
6:55So he was really good on those like bigger outbreaking routes specifically against man coverage and he worked the middle of the field, I thought, well in
7:02the intermediate area. Now there are definitely areas where he needs to get better.
7:06The he is he is certainly not like a fully formed superstar right now. Like we didn't see that guy as a rookie.
7:13Now in fairness to him, he missed a lot of time in the off season with an injury. That was part of the reason why
7:18he started slow. This is also a guy that needed to be pushed and we talked about this when he got drafted by the Bears
7:24that, you know, had he gone to a different place, I might have been concerned about Luther Burden and some of the like
7:31less than less than savory moments on the on the field on film at Missouri from like an effort standpoint, specifically working against zone
7:40coverage where he would just kind of like run into leverage and then just stop.
7:45Like he wouldn't consistently work himself open. That it was never going to fly in Chicago. So what was either going to happen was he that he was going to
7:52bust out right away. Like it was he's okay, fine. We're done with you. That's it. Or Ben Johnson, Antoine Randle El,
7:58and these guys are going to push this player >> Yeah.
8:01>> and he's going to become a much better zone beater than he was in college. And I I think at 80.4%
8:10we we got a pretty good result there for him in terms of the ability to beat zone coverage and kind of especially like I
8:16said deep over the middle of the field.
8:18Uh dig routes and stuff like that. So I thought it was a good good rookie season for Luther Burden. Like the hype
8:25and all that stuff, I'll let other people have those those conversations. I just think from an on-field perspective I would call this a good rookie season
8:34uh for Luther Burden. Um obviously we can talk about how he fits into the receiving room without DJ Moore. That's another part of this too is that like
8:42what he was as a rookie I don't think that's the role that they kind of really like him being a part-time player, more of a created
8:49touch guy. They're going to want to put the foot put the football in his hands and create touches for him.
8:53But um he's going to take on a bigger, you know, no pun intended burden in the passing game because now like DJ Moore
9:00so with all these guys by the way like they went from a room uh in Chicago that looked kind of crowded last year to now
9:07like their third receivers are either Equanimeous St. Brown or Zay and Thomas and Equanimeous St. Brown. Like those guys are not they're hopefully efficient
9:15players when you target them, but they're not volume hogs. So I think it's pretty much like Cole Kmet and Equanimeous St. Brown,
9:21Equanimeous St. Brown, you can put the order however you want it, guys. Those guys are going to dominate targets.
9:27>> Um all right. So again, you take a look at the wide receiver room. Obviously they get rid of DJ Moore.
9:32Um this is now thrusting Luther Burden into more of a starting role opposite of Rome Odunze who oh my gosh, I can't wait
9:39for that profile to come out because my goodness gracious Rome Odunze has been so up and down with the injuries as
9:44well. They added a guy out of LSU and Zay Flowers Thomas who I think is a really interesting player. Best name in
9:51this unit is out of Tennessee Squirrel White. Squirrel White as a wide receiver 4-5 here for the Chicago [laughter]
10:01Bears. Really best name for sure in Chicago.
10:05>> Maybe in the NFL, there's no question.
10:07Okay, so Matt walk me through this here a little bit in regards to Luther Burden.
10:12I mean again, when I say I need I'd like to see more it's because nearly 40% of his routes were either the
10:19slant flat or screen. Right, so this is a lot of stuff near the line of scrimmage.
10:24That being said, as you pointed out 85% nearly 85% success rate on the dig. 73% success rate on the out. He's dominating
10:33crushing the intermediate area of the field as well. And Matt, my goodness gracious, you want to talk about like getting in the good graces of Ben
10:41Johnson? That's it right there.
10:43>> [laughter] >> You got to win on some of these intermediate routes and certainly that is what Luther Burden is doing. But my question to you though is
10:52okay, so DJ Moore moves on. Luther Burden to me right now is positioned to be the number two. Can he be a
10:59legitimate high-end number two for Chicago? And I tell you what, a lot of folks are looking at Rome Odunze and saying well, you know what? I think Rome
11:07Odunze might have to slide down. Can Luther Burden be a true number one for Chicago in this wide receiver room?
11:14>> You know, I definitely think that's possible. I think it you know, it's close to like should and I don't think
11:20it's viewed this way because of how Burden ended the regular season and Odunze ended the regular season. I think that the conventional wisdom is like oh
11:28yeah, Burden will clearly be the one and over Odunze. I don't I don't buy that. I think that people don't realize how
11:34devastating the injury was for Odunze last year, not just from a physical standpoint, but also from like a practice reps standpoint and like just
11:41falling out of like communication within the offense and things of that nature, but like the breakout that happened at the beginning of the season, I did I
11:48thought I think was real for Odunze. Um >> Same.
11:51>> But that doesn't mean that again, it has to be like one of the I like I I I like both of these players. I think it's
11:57close to probably closer to a toss-up as to who is better. Um the other thing I think is worth kind of pushing back on
12:05is I've often seen it see it framed as like, "Well, Luther Burden will be the slot guy and Odunze will be the X." I
12:11I don't think so. Like I think both of these guys are going to play all over the formation. Like one thing that's
12:16clear after watching this offense and like Detroit is Detroit, okay?
12:22>> Yeah.
12:22>> Chicago is is Chicago, right? Like what Ben Johnson did his first season on the job at the control like fully at the
12:29Bucks stops with him. These guys everybody played all different roles.
12:34Like it wasn't there was no Amon-Ra St.
12:36Brown role, which like oh Luther Burden will be that. Like a lot of Amon-Ra St.
12:40Brown stuff Odunze was doing at the beginning of the year, you know? Like I think that all three of these guys are
12:44going to all three these two guys will play all three receiver positions a ton.
12:48And like everybody's going to get reps from the slot. There's not going to be like an X and a volume hog slot. So I
12:53think the good thing for both these guys, I think they can hang on the outside and play on the inside. Like I
13:00think Burden is probably better on the quicker layup routes right now and he got a lot more usage there. Um but I
13:08definitely think that a like from a route separation standpoint, winning at all three levels, like Odunze is a little bit ahead there than than Burden
13:16is, but yeah, I think no no questions in my mind that this guy is ready to be a starting receiver in the NFL and at
13:23least be a high-quality two. And like if he gets better from a technician standpoint and stuff like that, um you know, does take on more
13:33more big boy receiver stuff even more in year two for Luther Burden, like yeah, he could he could be a one. Um
13:40I don't know that I've seen like enough to say he's let's let's go ahead and just, you know, moonwalk him in here,
13:45just wave him right on into that club, but I don't think that's true really of any of these rookie receivers this year.
13:50So, yeah, I think that it no no question in my mind that he's ready to be a starting receiver.
13:56Um and and I'm I'm very optimistic about what he's going to do this year. I think Burden's profile was good.
14:03Um you know, it wasn't great. I think it was I think it was definitely very very very good, and especially again with the
14:08ball in his hands, like he is the most dynamic player on that offense right now with the ball in his hands, and one of
14:14the most dynamic of this class. Uh he was in space on nearly 68% of his sampled catches, went down on first
14:21contact on just 38% of those plays. That is a crazy low number.
14:25>> Wow.
14:26>> Multiple tackles on nearly 24. Like anything north of 20% in terms of breaking multiple tackles is an exceptional result, especially for a guy that's
14:34seeing this much volume of catches in the open field. So, yeah, that that right there is is is an advantage and
14:41like maybe even a trump card in his favor that we can spit this thing out and and he can just go create plays on
14:48his own. And when he get if he could he just needs to get better, I think, like winning on his own to even get more
14:55of those results.
14:57>> Yeah, you talk about that um that that dig route success rate. I mean, come on.
15:01I mean, we've seen it in the NFL now, right? Like especially in Sean McVay's offense, but in a lot of offenses across
15:06the NFL. Guys who win there and are special after the catch, >> Yeah.
15:12>> Okay. We're cooking.
15:13>> Those are great receivers. Those are great receivers. I mean, yeah, like again, can he be someone that becomes like a
15:21tier one receiver in the NFL.
15:24Yeah, I I wouldn't I wouldn't rule it out just because of guys that have done this from like a from a from a catch,
15:31you know, post-catch standpoint, but also can win on their own. And to me, like maybe you you disagree a little bit, but I think to me I saw enough to
15:38say like he can be a guy that that definitely wins on his own. Now, like I said, all some of those players from like a yards
15:45per route run standpoint, the efficiency stuff, they were better than Luther Burden in their rookie years, whether it was A.J. Brown, Justin Jefferson,
15:52whether it was Puka Nacua, and all those you know, Odell Beckham Jr. certainly.
15:56>> Right.
15:56>> Um but but like that doesn't we don't have to push back on that so hard to then push him down too far, I guess, if
16:02that makes sense. Um the the post >> you know what it is, Matt? You know what it is, Matt? I've gotten caught up in
16:07the internet war of uh you have to pick between Odunze or Luther Burden. I I I am fully I'm fully admitting I got
16:14caught up. I'm I'm I'm getting caught up in this war.
16:17>> No, don't do it.
16:18>> [laughter] >> It recuse yourself from that James.
16:23>> Okay. Okay.
16:23>> Like literally >> a step back.
16:25>> It is a you are allowed to like two receivers on one team.
16:30>> That's fair.
16:31>> I love Odunze. I'm a big Odunze guy. I was a big fan as a prospect. I'm a big fan of what he showed this past season,
16:38and I fully believe that year three can be a monster year for Rome Odunze. That does not mean I have to dislike
16:46>> [laughter] >> Luther Burden.
16:47>> Fair.
16:48>> We don't have to do this especially when especially when it's concentrated. Especially when it's not like oh boy This team is going to throw the
16:55football. They're going to be efficient throwing the football. Hopefully Caleb Williams takes a step in year two.
16:59That's year year two in the system.
17:02>> Yeah.
17:02>> That has to happen for all these guys, right, to be really good. That does have He does have to get better. There's no
17:06question about that, even though he has really high high promising notes, and I'm if you were to like, you know, give
17:11me truth serum, I'd say I'm more positive than negative on Caleb.
17:15That all would be Like that has to happen. A lot of things have to happen.
17:18These guys have to all have to stay healthy. They have to take the next step in their development. Like, there are
17:21parts of Adonai's game that he needs to get better at in isolation. There's no question about that.
17:25>> Oh, yeah.
17:26>> Got to make Got to make some plays to catch point. Got to be a little bit better against zone coverage.
17:29But, for the most part, like, I think if these guys stay healthy, they take next step in their development, both of them
17:33will be good. You don't You can recuse yourself from the from the culture wars of you got to like one You can only like
17:39one receiver on a team. Don't have to do that. You don't have to do that. You You can You can opt out. Opt out.
17:45>> I'm going to opt out. I am. I'm going to take a step back.
17:48>> [clears throat] >> I'm going to reevaluate my values and and see where we're at.
17:52>> And look, like, if Luther Burden came in if he Bottom line is, if he came in here and was worse in
17:58reception perception, 100% I'd be like, well, yeah, Adonai's better. But, like, I mean, you just This stuff's obviously nuanced.
18:08It should be nuanced. It's complicated.
18:10I love to make it complicated because I love and respect football and I love and respect players and like >> Uh-huh.
18:15>> You make it complicated to show your respect and not just make it the simple whatever.
18:20You just want to make this stuff real simple for a reception perception standpoint. Really talented players, which Luther Burden's obviously really
18:26talented, who play in a good who who is a solid prospect. He was a solid prospect. Tier three receiver for me. He
18:32was a solid solid prospect at at minimum solid prospect. Plays playing in a good offense.
18:37>> Yeah.
18:37>> Bears, whatever you think of Caleb Williams and all that, it's good offense. By any measure, last year was really good offense.
18:43And this talented player clears 70% success rate versus man and 80% against zone, you bet on that player like every time more often than not. But, you bet
18:51on him more OFTEN THAN NOT.
18:53>> [laughter] >> MAYBE EIGHT OUT OF 10 TIMES, SEVEN OUT OF 10, you bet on him way more often than not. So, like, yeah, if he if his
18:59profile was worse, sure, we could do the this that and the other, but like, yeah, he's a good player worth betting on. I
19:04think all these guys are good players worth betting on. So, my answer my my Matt [snorts] Harmon approves this statement uh, know, address on these
19:12Bears pass catchers is yes. Which one do you like? Yes.
19:15>> Yes. That's it.