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I Debate Fantasy WR Rankings With The #1 Most Accurate WR Rankings Expert ft. Jeff Bell

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Aug 19, 2026
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Caleb DouglasCeeDee LambChase BrownChristian WatsonCole KmetColston LovelandCourtland SuttonD.J. MooreErick AllGarrett WilsonJake FergusonJalen TolbertJayden ReedJaylen Waddle
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Caleb Douglas

PositiveSleeper50:55

Jeff Bell identifies Caleb Douglas as a sleeper candidate in Miami who is gaining significant steam; Bell and Matt Harmon are in lockstep regarding his potential to compete for a starting receiver role.

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CeeDee Lamb

PositiveUsage52:12

Matt Harmon notes that CeeDee Lamb recorded a career-low percentage of slot snaps last year, a result of the Cowboys lacking a reliable third receiver. The emergence of Ryan Flournoy as a more complete receiver option is expected to allow Lamb to move around the formation more effectively this season compared to when Kavontae Turpin occupied that role.

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Chase Brown

PositiveUsage19:18

Matt Harmon suggests that Chase Brown should be positioned for more passing volume than the Bengals have traditionally allocated to their running backs, which could potentially impact the target distribution for receivers like Tee Higgins. The Bengals are expected to involve Brown more in their offensive strategy to help support the defense.

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Christian Watson

NegativeProjection22:43

Matt Harmon is 17 spots higher on Christian Watson than Jeff Bell, but Harmon questions if ranking Watson as a top-20 wide receiver is 'wishcasting' due to the team's caution regarding his injury history and availability. Harmon suggests the market is overvaluing his recent performance in ADP, where he currently sits as the WR26.

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Cole Kmet

PositiveUsage1:58

Jeff Bell identifies Cole Kmet as a primary target in the offensive scheme who will 'eat first' alongside Luke Musgrave, complicating the target share outlook for Bears wide receivers. Bell notes that the offensive scheme, under Ben Johnson, tends to funnel targets toward Kmet, Colston Loveland, and D.J. Moore.

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Colston Loveland

PositiveValue4:13

Matt Harmon ranks Colston Loveland ahead of both Rome Odunze and Luther Burden, potentially by a full round, because Loveland stands out more significantly relative to his position than the two Bears receivers do.

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Courtland Sutton

NegativeRole16:31

Jeff Bell ranks Courtland Sutton as WR27, significantly higher than Matt Harmon's WR49, arguing that Sutton will maintain his role in a high-volume passing attack. Harmon notes the Broncos are moving past the 'young exciting stage' of Sutton's career and expects him to fall into a committee role, though he intends to keep Sutton on the field as one of the team's three best receivers regardless of younger players like Pat Bryant.

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D.J. Moore

NegativeUsage3:40

Jeff Bell notes that the Bears' offensive scheme, under Ben Johnson, tends to funnel targets toward Cole Kmet, Colston Loveland, and D.J. Moore. Bell also ranks Moore just above Tee Higgins, projecting Moore to be a high-volume receiver.

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Erick All

PositiveBreakout20:24

Jeff Bell notes that the Bengals like Erick All and that he has reportedly had a strong training camp, suggesting he could be a factor in the offense and relevant for his role within the team's depth chart.

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Garrett Wilson

PositiveUsage14:11

Jeff Bell ranks Garrett Wilson above Tee Higgins, citing historical data showing Wilson commands a 31% target share when healthy, which provides more predictable volume than Higgins. Matt Harmon notes that the volume argument for Wilson is overwhelmingly pervasive relative to Higgins.

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Jake Ferguson

NegativeUsage51:56

Jeff Bell reports that the Dallas Cowboys do not particularly favor Jake Ferguson's involvement in the blocking game, which could lead to the team easing up on his usage and potentially shifting offensive dynamics.

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Jalen Tolbert

NegativeRole51:46

Jeff Bell suggests Jalen Tolbert is locking into the WR3 role for the Dallas Cowboys, though Matt Harmon notes that Tolbert has struggled to secure the starting receiver job compared to other options in the organization.

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Jayden Reed

PositiveValue22:48

Matt Harmon prefers Jayden Reed over Christian Watson, noting that Reed is a very talented player who is currently being undervalued by the market. Harmon expects the Packers' passing attack to be consolidated among three receivers, with Reed serving as the primary slot or off-ball Z receiver in 11 personnel, noting the team is fundamentally better with him on the field.

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Jaylen Waddle

PositiveBreakout8:45

Matt Harmon is sky-high on Jaylen Waddle, viewing him as a transformative player in the Broncos' offense who will consolidate the roles previously held by multiple depth receivers. Harmon ranks him as his WR20, projecting him to operate as the off-ball movement Z receiver and benefit from 'easy button' targets that the offense struggled to distribute last year. Jeff Bell also ranks Waddle above Tee Higgins, noting that while there are valid concerns regarding Waddle's injury history, his talent and role keep him ahead in the rankings.

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Josh Jacobs

NegativeInjury24:10

Jeff Bell notes that an injury to Josh Jacobs could force the Packers to increase their passing volume, which would potentially alter the fantasy outlook for their wide receivers.

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KaVontae Turpin

NegativeDepth Chart52:18

Matt Harmon highlights that Kavontae Turpin serving as the Cowboys' third receiver last year contributed to CeeDee Lamb's career-low slot snap percentage, implying Turpin is a less complete receiver than newer options like Ryan Flournoy.

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Luke Musgrave

PositiveUsage1:58

Jeff Bell highlights Luke Musgrave as a key piece of the Bears' offensive scheme, noting the team's draft investment in the tight end room and his projected role as a big slot receiver who will command significant target volume alongside Cole Kmet.

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Luther Burden

NegativeProjection2:05

Jeff Bell leans toward Luther Burden over Rome Odunze, though he notes that Burden's recent injury requires monitoring and has caused him to dock Burden in his rankings. Bell also disputes the Amon-Ra St. Brown comparison for Burden. Bell and Matt Harmon view Burden and Odunze as a toss-up for the WR1 role; Bell projects Burden for a 21% target share, noting that his efficiency could lead to high production if utilized in the short-to-intermediate passing game.

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Marvin Mims

NegativeDepth Chart19:26

Marvin Mims appears to be falling out of favor in the Denver offense. Reports suggest he and his agent are unhappy with his current standing, and he is considered a potential candidate to be traded or 'deleted' from the offensive rotation as the team prioritizes more physical blockers like Pat Bryant.

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Pat Bryant

PositiveDepth Chart18:17

Pat Bryant has separated himself in the Broncos' wide receiver depth chart conversation. He is viewed as a key addition to three-receiver sets as a 'power slot' receiver; his physicality and run-blocking ability are highlighted as critical factors that could help the team establish the run, potentially allowing him to stay on the field alongside Courtland Sutton and Jaylen Waddle while pushing other depth receivers out of the rotation.

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Rome Odunze

NegativeProjection0:35

Jeff Bell is significantly lower on Rome Odunze than Matt Harmon, viewing him as a third target in the passing attack who sits on the back end of a tier; Bell argues that high-volume passing offenses rarely support a third target for fantasy relevance, especially with tight ends like Cole Kmet and Luke Musgrave expected to command significant volume. Bell projects Odunze for a 20% target share, noting that his lower catch rate compared to teammates may keep his total numbers behind others unless efficiency improves. Harmon remains high on Odunze, betting that his downfield ability will pay off if Caleb Williams takes a step forward in year two.

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Romeo Doubs

NegativeUsage24:50

Jeff Bell suggests that Packers' passing volume will be concentrated among Romeo Doubs, Christian Watson, and Jayden Reed, though he remains skeptical of their overall ceiling. Matt Harmon notes that the receiver room will likely be consolidated between three players, with Doubs and Dontayvion Wicks involved in the rotation at X, though the team's scheme makes rigid position designations less relevant.

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Ryan Flournoy

PositiveBreakout52:03

Jeff Bell and Matt Harmon are in lockstep regarding Ryan Flournoy, who is viewed as a versatile receiver capable of locking into the WR3 role in Dallas. Harmon has Flournoy ranked 19 spots ahead of the dynasty market, noting that his presence allows CeeDee Lamb to move around the formation more effectively than when Kavontae Turpin was the primary third option.

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Tee Higgins

NegativeValue8:01

Matt Harmon and Jeff Bell disagree on Tee Higgins' ranking, with Harmon remaining aggressive on him as a fringe top-10 receiver while Bell ranks him lower due to mathematical projections favoring other high-volume receivers like Garrett Wilson, Jaylen Waddle, and DJ Moore. Despite his proven efficiency and top-10 status in yards per route run when Joe Burrow is healthy, potential pitfalls include a possible shift to a more run-heavy, under-center offensive scheme and a potentially improved Bengals defense that could reduce the need for high-volume passing.

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Troy Franklin

NegativeRole18:06

Troy Franklin is viewed as a depth piece whose role is likely to diminish. Matt Harmon notes that Franklin's inability to block effectively in the run game makes him a liability compared to more physical options like Pat Bryant, likely leading to him disappearing from the primary receiver rotation.

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Tucker Kraft

PositiveUsage23:28

Jeff Bell and Matt Harmon identify Tucker Kraft as the primary option in the Packers' passing attack; Bell believes this role limits the fantasy upside of the team's wide receivers, while Harmon notes that Kraft's status as a top inline tight end could allow the team to play more 11 personnel and increase overall offensive tempo.

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Episode Transcript

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0:00Let's get into the fun part of this.
0:01This is Jeff's five biggest disagreements with me based on our rankings, which by the way, as as we said, are in flux, okay? There's some
0:09movement for both of us.
0:11I know coming after this show, but again, guys, that we're generally not in the same We're not We might not be in
0:16the same neighborhood on these guys, right? Maybe we'll eventually get into the same zip code, but we're probably not going to be living on the same
0:22street with these particular players.
0:24>> Look at the release.
0:25>> There's your separation.
0:27>> Great route.
0:27>> Stutter and go gets by clean.
0:29>> That is unbelievable.
0:30>> the greatest catch I've ever seen.
0:35>> And let's start with the most difficult conversation because this is a player I'm very, very high on. You're significantly lower on Rome Odunze than
0:42I am. Now, to be clear, I'm higher than market on Rome Odunze and I'm pretty content remaining that way just cuz I
0:49have a big belief in this player and Jeff, I have a big belief in just where the Bears are going this year
0:55offensively. So, people that listen to this show, watch this channel, they know how I feel about Rome Odunze, so they probably don't need a refresher.
1:03How do you feel about Odunze coming to this season, especially relative to where the Bears offense is right now and the kind of constant cultural war of you
1:10can't be a Burden bro and an Odunze backer, which I think you can be, but maybe you can make the case that that
1:15I'm wrong about that.
1:18>> I think that the the Cole Kmet and Luke Musgrave is a complicating factor in all of this and that's been my answer on who
1:25you know, is it is it Luther Burden? Is it Rome Odunze? It's Cole Kmet and Luke Musgrave. For me, I think it's the the
1:31solution there and and everything that we're seeing with the way that they attacked that tight end room in the draft and and opening it up Musgrave to
1:38really play as that big slot. I I tend to believe that that's the player that if you talk about who's going to eat
1:45first, I think Cole Kmet and Luke Musgrave is going to eat first within this offensive scheme. And Odunze, it's it's not so much that I'm just way out
1:52on Odunze, it's just that where probably again, where the math kind of ends up because if you've got I do tend to lean
1:59towards Burden. I see Burden stepping in. I don't know that the Amon-Ra St.
2:03Brown comparison is quite accurate on and the way that you might see Lose Burden working out there, but to some degree, I mean, Rome Odunze he was
2:11inherited by Ben Johnson. Ben Johnson went out and got two targets. His first two picks were two targets in the receiver game and and so I think that
2:19fundamentally when you're breaking down where Ben Johnson wants to attack defenses, it it tends to lean into Cole Kmet and Loveland into D.J. Moore and so
2:27if you're going to allocate even if you're projecting a really high upside for the Bears offense, which I am. I do think it's going to be a very
2:36good offense, one that we want to be invested with.
2:39How many third targets are we really feeling great about when it comes down to it at the end of the day? And I think
2:44a lot of it it might be shaded because we've never really seen tight ends eat at a high high volume. It's always been
2:51like thinking about the Denver when they had three wide receivers with Payton Manning and Julius Thomas being relevant, too. It was a lot of touchdown
2:58upside on Julius Thomas Julius Thomas hitting on that regard there. We're seeing a lot more I think volume flowing through Loveland throwing flowing
3:07through Burden and to some regard it leaves Odunze really just kind of for me on the back end of a tier when you
3:14breaks down to it. Now, obviously the Burden injury might shade things a little bit as we get closer to the season have a better timeline when he's
3:22going to be expected and we recognize how much time he's missed out of this, but that that's I think my biggest
3:27hang-up on Rome Odunze of less being worried about the foot or worried about anything like that more just recognizing that a third target within a passing
3:36attack tends to end up not being the very best for fantasy.
3:40>> Yeah, that's what makes this so difficult to rank for me between these guys. Now, I've definitely when I had my
3:46rankings open up before the Burden injury, I pretty much had Odunze and Burden kind of tied. Like I do a little
3:52bit honestly, if we're being super transparent, I don't know you probably don't do this cuz you're a serious ranker and I'm just a goofball.
3:58Um >> Not that.
3:58>> I I always like I love to do the hedge ranking with a wide receiver room where I'm like, well, we'll see. Like, I think
4:03it's pretty much a toss-up between these two guys. I kind of will just have them basically park next to each other. And I
4:08do do view it as a toss-up between A Dunze and Burden as to who's going to be, you know, the quote wide receiver
4:13one. Now, I do have Loveland in my overall rankings ranked ahead of both of these guys if not like a full round
4:19ahead of these guys cuz I do agree with you that especially relative to position, he just stands out much more than these two Bears receivers do. At
4:27the same time though, I mean, when it comes to Burden and A Dunze, like the the injury for Burden, I've I've docked
4:32him down a little bit as a result of that. Still though, I to me, I think the thing that I would
4:38take the most issue with is the idea that, you know, which is reality. Like, right? Ben Johnson did inherit Roman Dunze. That is factually
4:46what happened.
4:47But, he inherited Roman Dunze and then proceeded to like run his entire passing offense through him in the first eight weeks of the season. Which part of that
4:54is of course, you know, Loveland wasn't available yet. Burden wasn't truly available yet. Like, these guys were slow ramp-ups. I recognize obviously
5:00that it probably wasn't going to be the whole offense run through him in the first, you know, in the first eight
5:05weeks and then in the next eight weeks, right? Like, that probably wasn't going to happen. But, ultimately, I just think really good
5:11player, really good offense, just got unlucky with the timing of the injury last year. So, I want to just kind of keep it essentially a toss-up
5:19between Burden, who I'm a also a a really, really big fan of as well. And I think their roles will be pretty
5:25interchangeable between these two guys this year. But, you could tell me if you think any of that is wrong.
5:29>> Well, I mean, for more color on on what how I arrived here. So, I've got Loveland at a 23% target share. I've got
5:36Burden at a 21% target share. And I've got A Dunze at a 20% target share.
5:39>> Yeah, pretty close.
5:40>> I'm I'm expecting Yeah, but I'm expecting efficiency based upon the efficiency that we've seen from A Dunze of lower lower catch rate and and so
5:49that plays into the targets could roughly be similar and so they could you know, be fundamentally involved at the same levels, but if if
5:59we're going to get hyper-efficient Luther Burden on one end and and especially if he's going to be utilized in short intermediate passing game,
6:06whereas Odunze is going to be asked to be a little bit more downfield, I mean, I'm I'm a big Caleb Williams believer,
6:13but statistically it doesn't really Some of the downfield stuff isn't quite where we want it to be yet. Maybe that's DJ
6:19Moore. Um I don't know, but I think that the the catch rate and those those things factor into my numbers and so
6:28I've got Rome Odunze definitely eating within this offense. I've got this offense definitely producing volume, but unless the efficiency pops in some
6:37regard there, then it's going to lead towards the numbers being slightly behind the other two players.
6:42>> Yeah, I think that's the key difference between where we arrive at our final rankings is that I think that the way I
6:49framed this, Jeff, is that if Caleb Williams doesn't get it doesn't make significantly, if not just even marginally, improve off the
6:57player that he was in year in year two in year one in Ben Johnson's offense, which is a really complex offense and
7:02everything of that nature, then yeah, it's going to lean into a lot of the layup targets to Luther Burden.
7:07But if he does take the step forward, that is where a guy like Rome Odunze can really become a big hit because he hits
7:12on the downfield targets. He hits on uh the the touchdowns and everything of the big plays that this offense clearly wants to strike, in addition to the fact
7:19that I think Burden's efficiency will change as he naturally becomes a full-time player, but that's why I don't want to like even though I am betting
7:26big on Odunze and I'm betting big on that efficiency cuz I think he's a great player and I think Caleb Williams can be
7:31better, I'm betting on that changing. I also don't want to bet against Luther Burden in that way, but it is tough and
7:37I don't totally recognize that I am ranking against the math here. Like it is tough to make the math work with the
7:43way that I have ranked these three Bears pass catchers, but you know, you made that Broncos comparison. I'm not saying that this is going to be the 2013
7:49Broncos, but they might need to throw the football that much because of how bad that defense is going to be. That's
7:54all another variable [laughter] here for the Chicago Bears. Speaking of bad defenses but good pass catchers, the next guy that we are a little bit far
8:01apart on is T Higgins. You're like uh 13 spots, I think, in your ranking is behind me on T Higgins cuz I've been
8:08pretty aggressive ranking T Higgins. And Jeff, psychologically, I think some of that is well, I don't just want to forget about this guy because there's a
8:16ton of really interesting and good young players in his tier. Uh but have I overcorrected on T Higgins, who I still
8:21have as kind of like a fringe top 10 receiver here?
8:25>> Yeah, I I think it's that's probably where I'm landing, where I'm coming down on it of him just ending up
8:31mathematically behind a couple of players that I think are going to command while the pie might not be as big, but I
8:39like I've got DJ Moore just above T Higgins because I think DJ Moore's going to come in and be a high-volume receiver
8:45for Josh Allen. I've got Jaylen Waddle just above T Higgins, and I think I mean, you might have concerns on the
8:51injuries of Waddle, or I've got Garrett Wilson just above T Higgins because we've seen when Garrett Wilson has been healthy, he's a 31% target share player.
9:01And so, I think that it's there is it's a really tight tier.
9:06I think as you're looking at those receivers, and and and so, I think mathematically, that's where if you're leaning into the
9:12math side on it, it you can it's I've seen really good content done where kind of you can make the numbers look like
9:19what you want to make the numbers look like. And if you're dealing with a 10-point difference overall between six different wide
9:25receivers, then um one player's going to end up at the back, one player's going to end up at the front. That doesn't
9:31necessarily mean like it's it's a wild difference of this, but I think that's probably where I just land on Higgins of
9:36him probably ending up on the back of a tier behind some receivers that I project for even hesitate to say project for more
9:46predictable volume just that some of the volume argument I think for like a Chris Olave for a Garrett Wilson could be
9:52overwhelmingly pervasive relative to where it could end up on Tee Higgins.
9:57>> Yeah, this is one where I do really wonder if emotionally I come in here and the first thing I'm probably
10:04me three four years ago obviously not this particular player but like a guy like Tee Higgins who we know who Tee
10:11Higgins is we know what the situation is when it's Joe Burrow on the field of the last two years this is a top 10 receiver
10:16in yards per route run this is a you know a super efficient fantasy really good fantasy receiver you know exactly what you're getting when with Tee
10:22Higgins Joe Burrow on the field okay fine. But then there's so many of these good interesting young ascending receivers I know Matt Harmon of four
10:30years ago is just like putting the young ascending guys ahead of the Tee Higgins.
10:34And I maybe I'm over honestly maybe I'm over correcting be like I'm trying to learn my lessons here and just like
10:40don't forget about a guy like Tee Higgins who I also think is really good.
10:44Uh and is is is you know still pretty much in the prime of his career there are also a lot of pitfalls I think for
10:50Tee Higgins potentially this year even without considering injuries to himself and his quarterback Jeff.
10:56I mean if the Bengals defense is you know even the 25th best defense in the NFL that's a market improvement I think
11:01it you know that could happen you never know they're talking a lot about like being more of an under center run team
11:06which you know mixed results in training camp so far even the first preseason drive that we saw the other night mixed
11:12results on that so far so I think there are some pitfalls for Tee Higgins maybe more than just what I'm assuming here
11:18but I do just kind of want to not over complicate the case here that if Burrow's on the field and he's on the
11:22field this is a guy who's going to you know moonwalk to a thousand yards and eight to ten touchdowns essentially.
11:28>> Yeah and and I I know I coaches teams need to understand what they are and I understand that the Bengals defense hasn't been able to stop
11:36somebody anybody and maybe they think the solution to that would be slowing the game down a little bit but it's like
11:42if if you've built fundamentally around Jamar Chase Joe Burrow and Tee Higgins then lean into having [clears throat] those guys and and play some arcade
11:52football essentially and and roll with it. So yeah, I think that's part a big part of it. I I do think that seems like
11:58Chase Brown should be positioned for >> more passing volume than what they've traditionally given to the running back or what he's traditionally seen out of
12:04that offense. I mean they >> I've I've given up on Auden Tate being a thing cuz we've seen Higgins and Chase out of the lineup and and he's
12:13kind of Auden Tate is that sacrificial axe. He is that player that >> the sacrificial slash axe at times. He's just whatever
12:21it is it's the sacrificial something.
12:24>> Yeah. Yeah and and so I think that that and then you know they like Eric Hall and then apparently he's had a strong
12:29camp. I mean it is when you start to if they're really going to slow the ball down and just to try to be able to help their
12:37defense out on that side and involve Chase Brown then the argument start to fall apart a little bit and and it's
12:44again I think it's another one that I'm not particularly low on Tee Higgins but as I look at the players around him I
12:50understand the case of why I've got those players above Tee Higgins.
12:53>> Yeah essentially this one is just kind of your you're just a little I'm probably closer to the market in terms of Yahoo ADP
13:02right now but I'm still a little higher than that.
13:05So this is might be one where I look within that tier on on the Tee Higgins part of it.
13:09>> Jameson is my Tee Higgins so >> Pretty much. But you know what? Like there is a what's the difference between Tee
13:15Higgins and Jameson Williams? I mean probably or George Pickens I mean or George Pickens yeah and George Pickens by the way is more expensive than both
13:23of these guys.
13:25It's interesting interesting to consider but I have I have Higgins and and Pickens in the team same tier, so I'm not going to like push too hard on that
13:32one there. Here's an interesting one and I know why we're far apart on this one and I'm curious to to kind of hear your
13:40case of it. You are 22 spots higher on Courtland Sutton than I am. And this is another one Jeff as as we talked about
13:49earlier like the differences in rank and just like I know I'm going to be probably wrong on where I have Courtland
13:55Sutton when he comes in from an end of year perspective. I I know I'm going to be to to be low on that. But I have a
14:01lot of reasons for why I think I wouldn't draft him this year, which is why I just keep docking him in my
14:05rankings. But why do you still have Courtland Sutton in a really You have him wide receiver 27. So you're saying like not only is he a
14:12You're not not only is Harmon just a dumbass for ranking him wide receiver 49, but also the market is too low on
14:19Courtland Sutton. So I know it for me it's just I'm sky-high on Jaylen Waddle what he's going to be in this offense.
14:25>> is a transformative player and in addition to kind of like some of the role players here. So that's my case
14:29against Sutton, but where am I missing the mark on Courtland Sutton?
14:35>> Yeah, I think the I tend to think the common view on this has been Sean Payton has one wide receiver and
14:42then everybody else kind of does their different things. And and so by bringing Jaylen Waddle in, he becomes that one wide receiver and then Courtland Sutton
14:50fades into the background of being somebody else that does the different things. But I I tend to view this as one
14:57we know that they're going to throw the ball a lot this offense. They're they're not going to go out trade for Jaylen
15:01Waddle to throw the ball less than where they were last year on throwing the ball quite a bit. And and two, I think that
15:08as you look at the Troy Franklin, the Marvin Mims and I think Pat Bryant probably is a separate has separated himself in that conversation, but if you
15:16were to if you're to just look at fundamentally building this out, you're not going to ask Courtland Sutton to do things that
15:24Courtland Sutton doesn't do at this point stage of his career. But if you just go out and ask Courtland Sutton to
15:29do all the things he's been doing through his career, we saw him be a top-12 wide receiver last year in that
15:33role. And then you bring Waddle in, and Waddle is that versatile player. Waddle can kind of be what you were asking Troy
15:39Franklin to do, and what you were asking Marvin Mims to do, and whatever little Jordan Humphrey role is in this offense.
15:44If you just snowball those together into one player, that could be Jaylen Waddle's role in this offense. I'm still high on Jaylen Waddle while still being
15:52high on Courtland Sutton, while still probably being above market on Pat Bryant now that it's come down to where it works out there. And uh so I think
15:59it's fundamentally expect a high of volume passing attack. I think that I expect Courtland Sutton the Pat Bryant conversation can shade it, but
16:09everything that I've seen on I think that the that's an example of where fantasy is doing like the dynasty thing and it's kind of ready to be off
16:17Courtland Sutton anyways because of Jaylen Waddle.
16:19>> [clears throat] >> And so they're just saying, you know, Pat Bryant's coming for the chain >> log on the fire basically essentially.
16:25>> Where whereas like it's one that like as you dig into what the actual comments are from from Payton, it's basically
16:31saying, we love Courtland Sutton, but we asked him to do too much last year. We run him into the ground. We don't
16:36necessarily want to do that, but we still want Courtland Sutton to do Courtland Sutton things. And so I think there is a lot of different factors that
16:43have mainly Jaylen Waddle, but also Pat Bryant potentially replacing the old guy in Courtland Sutton just being the we're way past the young exciting stage of
16:55Courtland Sutton, and now we're kind of just waiting for that cliff to fall off, and he was never a player that could
17:01consistently string it together quite in the way that a Mike Evans did or the Davante Adams. Like he was never reach
17:07that level. And so like we're just kind of pushing him off as the old guy that's got replaced and is going to be falling
17:14back into this committee role within these receivers. Like they've always had the non number one receiver in a Sean Payton offense, which is should be
17:22Jaylen Waddle. Again, he's my wide receiver 20. I'm high on Jaylen Waddle, but I just see see Sutton being asked to
17:28do all the things he has traditionally been asked.
17:30>> Yeah, I think I've probably as time gone as time has gone on, maybe discounted Sutton because of the Pat Bryant factor
17:39because I actually Jeff don't think you know, this as a big Jaylen Waddle guy and I'm way ahead of consensus on Jaylen
17:45Waddle. I've I've been that way since he got traded to Denver both from a dynasty standpoint. So then that has to affect
17:50how you rank for redraft just to make everything make some sense here.
17:54I I've been just so ahead on Waddle and some of the pushback that you get to that is, well, Sean Payton always
17:59rotates his receivers. He rotates like he rotated guys like Troy Franklin and Marvin Mims. I'm sorry you guys like those dudes as prospects, but they're
18:05like fine NFL players. The way that he used those guys is not going to impact the way he uses Jaylen Waddle and I will be
18:12shocked if it does. Maybe I end up being wrong on that. I could I'm wrong all the time. So that could totally possible.
18:17But I think that's part of sort of then brings in the Pat Bryant of this all. I actually think it could be a pretty just
18:23straight three receiver set of, you know, Sutton is the X, Bryant is the power slot, and Waddle is that off-ball movement Z receiver, which is why I've
18:32been so high on Waddle to the point that I think he is going to get a lot of the easy button targets that even last year
18:38when the offense just cuz this is kind of who Bo Nix is a little bit, he plays within chaos and then you kind of end up
18:44not being able to get the ball consistently to your outside on-ball X receiver who runs the difficult routes against press man coverage and that's
18:52always going to be Courtland Sutton. I see Waddle getting a lot of those easy button layup targets and just I mean
18:58balling with those cuz I think he's a really, really good player. Obviously, he can get hurt. That's a way that Courtland Sutton can still value up
19:05here. So it honestly based on talking with you, Jeff, it sort of sounds like your approach to the Broncos is kind of
19:12my approach to the Bears, which is which which Bronco do you want to draft?
19:17>> Yes, like take take all of them.
19:21Absolutely. And I think that that's a really great point. And yeah, as as we were talking through Marvin Mims and as
19:26we're talking through Courtland Sutton, I think there's definitely parallels between those players on I think the involvement that we can see
19:32here. The other part of it, too, it's Marvin Mims from what I've read, heard, it doesn't seem like it's It seems like
19:40he's a very upset and his agent is very upset. And he might be a name that should be bandied about on the trade
19:46market potentially. And I think that the the big thing last year, what we saw out of this Denver offense, they couldn't
19:52run the ball. And so, some of that you could you can change your scheme or get better offensive line, but at the same
19:59level, when you've got Troy Franklin out there that is not going to block anybody. And you bring Pat Bryant in, who's potentially erasing a dude from
20:06the wide receiver position in the run game, that that can be a potential solution to allow you to actually be able to run the football. And so, I
20:14think that I'm at the same place that you you kind of just mentioned there of you could see a lot cleaner three wide
20:20receiver set out of this than what we've traditionally seen out of the Sean Payton offenses. And having the physicality that Sutton and Bryant can
20:27offer, they having the additional run blocking that they can give you, and then and Franklin kind of disappears, and maybe Marvin Mims gets traded, maybe
20:36whatever happens with Marvin Mims, but kind of gets deleted out of this offense. And to me, that seems like if Pat Bryant is being that good,
20:45I'm not just taking Courtland Sutton off the field if I still think Courtland Sutton can play, I'm just going to play my three best wide
20:52receivers.
20:52>> Yeah. Yeah, especially cuz this is a team that doesn't have the most like the deepest tight end room and not like a true real true inline
20:59guy. I mean, Adam Trautman's like a Sean Payton crony. Also, by the way, Sean Payton's not calling the plays for this
21:03team anymore. I mean, I I think we all imagine he will have his hand very or thumb pressed pretty hard on the on the
21:10on the scale here. At the same time, it sounds like the reason that Davis Webb was promoted, not just because, you
21:15know, other teams wanted to hire him, but he has really good relationship with Bo Nix. So, that's another factor that we haven't really taken into account
21:20here with talking about these Broncos players. But, to wrap this up here, one of the reasons I mentioned that there was going to be five players that you
21:27and I disagreed on. We're kind of cheating here with the fourth section cuz it's really kind of all three Packers receivers, but mainly the first
21:36two that there's a big gap on in our rankings. But, I'm pretty much higher on all of the Packers receivers. I'm about
21:4317 spots higher on Christian Watson, 12 spots lower. You're about 12 spots lower on Jayden Reed, and you're about five spots lower on Matthew Golden. Golden is
21:53the tough one cuz I just don't really have a strong take on Matthew Golden.
21:56I'm curious if you do.
21:57But, Reed is a guy that I've really been in on this year. And reason I'm not really drafting in that like Courtland
22:03Sutton aisle where he goes in Yahoo drafts cuz Jayden Reed goes not too long after. You know, there are other players
22:10in that same sort of bucket where I mean, man, like Tell me like the why why is the floor and ceiling case all that difference
22:17between these two guys? But, maybe I've misread this Packers situation here. So, can you kind of explain I guess why you're a little bit lower on all three
22:27of these Packers receivers? Cuz Jeff, to me and listeners of this show and and people that subscribe to this channel know I've joked that we've talked way
22:34too much about the Packers receivers over the last few years. Mostly cuz that's been this like annoying rotation that's hard to figure out. Seems like
22:41it's going to be consolidated this year.
22:42So, why are you kind of not into this this trio here this year?
22:48>> Well, because of the guy that's not mentioned here within this list, Tucker Kraft at tight end. And >> Fair.
22:54>> [laughter] >> I mean, that's a big part of it. And and I do think that I don't know where I land on Jordan
23:01Love, I guess it maybe part of it, but to some regard, I think that Jordan Love it's a little bit of the let Russ cook
23:07argument on where we are always like >> Yeah.
23:10>> more pass volume. Come on. Like and like wish casting that within the Packers, whereas I can't help but think that the
23:17Packers know Jordan Love very, very well and are putting Jordan Love in exactly the position that they're comfortable putting Jordan Love into. And so, I do
23:24think we tend to, especially in the fantasy community, we look at hyper efficiency, we look at those things and we just say, "Well, if you just move the
23:31slider over here, then then look how this is going to be." without recognizing that, I mean, Tony Pollard could be the most efficient running back
23:38when he's playing and Ezekiel Elliott comes up >> point.
23:41>> give every carry to Tony Pollard, all of a sudden he's averaging 3.8 yards per carry and you're wondering what happened
23:47to my efficient running back. And so, I think that I I probably have some trust in the Packers offensive scheme to be
23:54pushing Jordan Love to the limit of where they're comfortable of Jordan Love sitting. And so, I do think that there's maybe some wish casting on "Let Russ
24:02cook." It's like like Jordan Love, like just more passing volume. Look how good this could be if there's Jordan if there
24:08were more passing volume.
24:10The the Josh Jacobs injury might shade that quite a bit because if Josh Jacobs is not Josh Jacobs or that level of
24:16involvement and you do get forced into leaning on the pass volume there a little bit more. That that could change it, but I think the other part of it of
24:24I wish I knew what the beat writer was, but Dave real- Dave Clowney has beat writers come through on the Sirius show
24:31and he talked about one of the beat writers for the Packers mentioned that Tucker Kraft is is basically the the number one option
24:37>> Yeah.
24:37>> within that passing attack. And so, if you're going to have if you're going to kind of keep some control on where
24:43Jordan Love's passing volume and if overall numbers are going to end up and you're going to have Tucker Kraft as that top option there, then
24:50yes, we could get a lot more concentrated volume to Watson, to Reed, to Doubs than what we've ever gotten out of the receivers, and it could not
25:00really change where we end up on the receivers.
25:03>> Yeah, I think this is one where I'm maybe telling myself a story, and the projections are always going to kind
25:10of, you know, push against this because I do kind of buy Jeff that not only is this receiver room going to
25:16be consolidated between these three guys, and I think it will probably be a lot of what we saw in the first
25:21preseason game where in 12 personnel, it's Matthew Gonald at X and Christian Watson at Z, and then when they bring in
25:2711 personnel, you know, it's kind of going to blur a little bit. Like as as Matt LaFleur said when um he was asked
25:32about this when Jordan Love said, "Oh, Matthew Gonald's locked in at X." Matt LaFleur made the point like, "Well, our scheme is so multiple and guys move
25:39around that there these true position designations don't really exist." Which is true, by the way. Like that is the benefit of the scheme is that the lines
25:45get blurred here. But in 11 personnel, Reed's going to come on as the primary slot or off-ball Z receiver, and there's
25:50going to be some movement here. We know what that's going to look like. I But I think it will be consolidated between
25:55those three guys. I also think some of what we saw in the preseason does sort of back up what I've heard about this
26:00team, which is that they want to play more tempo, they want to live in 11 personnel more often because they have a
26:05great inline tight end in Tucker Kraft, who might be on a little bit of pitch count at first, but I think they're
26:10going to move away from some of those 12 personnel looks, heavier personnel packages cuz if they run out of 12 personnel and
26:17like, you know, Luke Musgrave who's banged up, it's like Josh Wiley the second tight end, they're fundamentally a worse team than if they have Jayden
26:23Reed on as the third receiver. So, I get the limitations for Reed as a guy who's not going to play in two receiver sets,
26:28yada yada, but I'm sort of telling myself a story here that we're going to see more tempo, we saw in the preseason,
26:34sounds like that's the report out of out of camps and just what I've heard about this team, which will really benefit all
26:39these receivers, but to your point of where maybe this is a good spot to like middle ground and split the difference
26:46between our two rankings, I'm sort of maybe baking in too much of that optimism where you're bringing some of the sort of just like, hey, let's
26:54remember how this has gone for multiple years now and sort of weigh that relative to where the market is. I guess
27:00it's if people are trying to split the difference here.
27:03>> Yeah, I think that that makes a ton of sense and and I think there's part of it too where I've I've seen the Packers long enough
27:11that would it shock you entirely if Savion Williams is like that's like would be the the most Packers thing if Savion Williams is like a dude or like
27:19we've unlocked Bo Melton. We figured out this random guy off the end of the roster because that's Bill Schroeder is coming out of here out of nowhere and
27:27and being involved in the passing attack and and as it set up for hyper efficiency and and having these three guys and oh by the way, we're the
27:35Packers and we just found out three guys that you've never even heard of. Some guy from Canada is coming in here and
27:40it's like I do it's it is kind of one of those of there are two teams where like it's just fundamentally in their DNA and
27:47it that always stick out in my mind and it's the Steelers and the Packers and it's like they just develop guys. They
27:53have guys that you off the radar that kind of come in and and I can't help but wonder a little bit
27:59there, but I mean I've got pretty high targets and and pretty consolidated attack here and and Watson's a player that it's bugged me for a little while
28:08of why is he so much lower in my numbers relative to where he's landing in the market.
28:13>> Yeah.
28:13>> It Do you think it's maybe it's the efficiency conversation of you for projecting efficiency for Christian Watson, just give him three
28:21more targets per game and look how good he's going to be, but how much does that stick? The other part of it when it when
28:27that kind of story came out about Golden being locked in on on Dobbs' role, like coming out of that of very much felt
28:34like they're just going to they're comfortable pushing Christian Christian Watson to the level that they're going to push Christian Watson to, but they
28:41don't want to push him beyond that because they know his history of availability, they know just everything in there. So, um I I do think that having Christian
28:49Watson as a top 20 plus wide receiver in fantasy feels like a layer of wishcasting that might be happening on onto that role of if he can ever just
28:58put it together. Um but yeah, I think that I again, I think there's there's absolutely reasons to be in the place that you're in with the Packers
29:07receivers.
29:07>> Well, I think the you know, to kind of just put a bow on this. One, it's um you know, how you know how this works.
29:13Like what we last saw of Christian Watson was him playing the best football of his entire career in the same calendar year in which he tore his ACL,
29:19which is insane and a huge accomplishment by him, but that's going to weigh very heavily on people's minds as they're ranking this year. And yeah,
29:26I mean, Watson is the 26th wide receiver off the board on Yahoo drafts. Uh I'm within that range, maybe a couple spots
29:32behind, which is why I've just been higher on Jayden Reed cuz I think like he's a guy that's really good player,
29:37pretty close honestly I think in talent to Watson. And just the last thing we saw of him was not as good where the
29:44last thing we saw of Watson was really good. So, that's I think weighing too much in the ADP mind, but I do think
29:49again, this is why I really wanted to have this conversation with you here, Jeff, because I think the where we started in the disagreements and where
29:54we finished was on two situations where I'm with the Bears and the Packers where I'm willing to kind of go against
30:02projections in my rankings and being like, "Hey, I can really see how this ends up working out for all these pass
30:08catchers who I think are all really good." And if these situations these variables kind of come to pass, man, these guys are going to be big hits
30:15where I think this is why it's like, "Hey, go out there and look at my rankings, but also look at Jeff Bell's
30:21rankings because he's sitting here saying like, 'Hey, let's remember how this goes historically'" and maybe again try to find the middle ground between
30:27these two things here. So, hopefully, Jeff, within our conversation on these disagreements, I think the people can find, you know, some middle grounds in
30:34in how to rank and view these players here. But really enjoyed this conversation. I've kept you longer than I I I would have and I apologize for
30:41that, but real quick, rapid fire to close here, Jeff. Who is one guy You can give me one guy, two guys, whatever,
30:47that people just aren't talking enough about at the wide receiver position while we admitted earlier that that's a stupid thing to say because everybody's
30:53talking all the time.
30:55>> Well, if you would have asked me this 2 weeks ago, I looked would have looked really smart. I would have said Caleb
30:59Douglas in Miami, but he's getting all the steam in the world. We I've been saying the same thing on on this We were
31:04we were in lockstep on this one here.
31:06>> So, yeah, maybe >> I think Jalen Tolbert in Dallas kind of locking into that wide receiver three role and and I think that
31:13from the [clears throat] what I've heard with the Cowboys, they don't particularly love Jake Ferguson's involvement in the in the blocking game
31:19and so if if they start to ease up a little bit on Jake Ferguson and Flurnoy really locks into that wide receiver
31:24three role and we've seen the Dallas offense be hyper productive in a way that they can be. Flurnoy's a player that I really liked coming in and I
31:32think he's a very versatile skillset that can allow CD Lamb to move out throughout formation.
31:38Offers a lot more as a complete receiver than the other options of having a Kavontae Turpin or other options that they move through there.
31:44>> Yeah, I I love this call out by you for everything that you just said there. One because it felt like that was like a
31:50June thing that people were talking about Ryan Flurnoy and now people have kind of stopped talking about him because it is he's definitely a guy
31:55that's tough to make the math work in redraft fantasy for sure, especially with these two receivers that are going to eat, but his involvement I CD Lamb
32:03took a career low percentage of snaps in the slot last year and I think a lot of that was cuz Jeff like their third
32:08receiver to start last year was Kavontae Turpin. You know, these guys like Jalen Tolbert who isn't even he was just getting lost by your boy Caleb Douglas
32:15down there in Miami for a starting receiver job right now.
32:18Ryan Flurnoy being who he is is going to allow Lamb I think to move around the formation formation more. I have 19
32:24spots, you know, subscribe to the website to check out my dynasty rankings tool, but like I have him 19 spots ahead
32:29of the dynasty market right now. Ryan Flurnoy cuz he's like just by a talented player that's attached to a really good
32:33ecosystem. So, Jeff and I are in lockstep on that.

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