0:00I think his route tree is going to look
0:02really different this year. If you look
0:03at Quentin Johnston's route percentage
0:05chart
0:06from 2025
0:08and then you look at Jaylen Waddle's
0:10route percentage chart from 2025,
0:13>> Look at the release.
0:14>> There's your separation.
0:15>> Great route.
0:16>> Stutter and go, gets by clean.
0:17>> unbelievable.
0:19>> Maybe the greatest catch I've ever seen.
0:23>> You and I have been in a little bit of a
0:26disagreement in regards to Quentin
0:28Johnston. I read the profile, you know,
0:29like and I am impressed with his
0:31improvements overall.
0:33We're talking about a guy that posted
0:35nearly a 61% success rate versus man, so
0:38still very much below average, but got
0:40back to about league average or good
0:43markings here at 79.5% against zone, so
0:46that's a good number. 58.6%
0:50success rate versus press coverage.
0:52Again, still a below average number, but
0:54overall, Matt, this is a guy who has
0:56improved dramatically going for 2024 to
0:592025.
1:01>> Yeah, I'm sure it was like now over a
1:02month ago that you and I, when we were
1:04talking about Ladd McConkey, I think I
1:06made the point to you that I do think
1:08that we
1:10and at the time I meant you, but you
1:12know, it's not just you. It's not just
1:14you. I do feel like the the royal we,
1:17the general NFL audience, I think still
1:20holds Quentin Johnston's rookie season
1:23kind of too much against him. And by the
1:25way, I don't think that is
1:27exclusive to just Quentin Johnston. I
1:29mentioned that I I just working on
1:32It'll honestly it'll be published by the
1:33time this episode comes out, Zay
1:35Flowers's profile.
1:37He's another guy that I feel like still
1:39kind of gets
1:40typecasted in in the ways that he did as
1:43a rookie in some of these like
1:45Anyway, so totally separate
1:46conversation. But for for Quentin
1:48Johnston, I think it's it's very
1:49apparent because like his his rookie
1:52season in reception perception It a
1:55disaster. It was horrible. It's
1:58It's flat-out one of the worst
2:01that we've ever seen in reception
2:02perception history and you know, I mean
2:05I sometimes I remember at the time
2:07people put Well, he's not like he had
2:08like no production. I think he had like
2:09500 something yards his rookie season. I
2:11mean, dude, you you run enough You run
2:13like every single route on the from a
2:15drop-back standpoint with a quarterback
2:17like Justin Herbert, you're going to
2:18fall ass-backwards into some production.
2:21Um and QJ
2:22>> by the way, which is exactly what he
2:23did. He fell ass-backwards.
2:26>> As a rookie.
2:27>> Yes, as a rookie.
2:28>> As a As a rookie. So it again, just to
2:30level-set if you weren't
2:32listening to us or following Reception
2:34Perception
2:36back in the day,
2:37Johnston was just again just a really
2:40poor performer like first percentile
2:43type stuff against against man coverage
2:45specifically, not much better against
2:48zone coverage. Like it was a It was a
2:49really, really poor rookie season. As
2:51James said, one of the worst in RP
2:54history. But he has definitely gotten
2:56better. You know, he's He's not gone,
2:58you know, full Davante Adams, right?
3:00He's the best example of a player that
3:03was one of the worst starting receivers
3:04in the NFL as a rookie in his second
3:06season and everything. He had a really
3:08disastrous second season, especially. Um
3:10went from like a first percentile
3:12performer to a 99th percentile
3:13performer. As I've said many, many
3:15times, I don't think that we're going to
3:16see that happen ever again. I don't
3:18think that's going to be like a That's
3:20That's a dream outcome. It's a fantasy
3:22outcome. You should probably just let go
3:23of it. But we have seen some guys go
3:26from
3:28bottom percentile performers into what I
3:30would say are like acceptable or even
3:32maybe solid starters.
3:34And I think Quentin Johnston is still a
3:36flawed player and we can lay out some of
3:38the flaws here in this profile, but I do
3:40think there are specific areas where he
3:41is legitimately good and is more of like
3:46a guy that is
3:47I think more than an acceptable starter
3:49at at point if maybe just not that kind
3:51of like, yes, solid, sturdy receiver.
3:54>> We talk about some of these, uh, overall
3:56general scores here, right? Like, he
3:57goes from 52% against man to 60, nearly
4:0061%
4:02uh, success rate versus man. He goes
4:04from 75% success rate versus zone to
4:07nearly 80% versus zone. He goes from 53%
4:11success rate against press to nearly 59%
4:15against press going from year to year.
4:17And if you're new to these numbers,
4:19those kind of jumps are hard. Those are
4:22difficult to do. Um, and so, kudos to
4:24him for obviously working on his craft,
4:27uh, and kudos to the coaching staff for,
4:28I think, getting him in much better
4:31positions to succeed, as well. If we're
4:34going on a route-by-route basis here,
4:36Matt, he was really strong on dig
4:39routes. 75% success rate on the dig, 64%
4:43on the year prior. So, a more than a 10%
4:46jump, uh, in terms of success rate on
4:48the dig route. That, to me, was his
4:51strongest route.
4:52Um, and and obviously, his most usable
4:55route, I think, in terms of just getting
4:57him in a position to succeed.
5:00>> Right. And if, again, we're kind of
5:01dialing back to that rookie season just
5:03to talk about some of the improvements
5:04here. I mean, you go look at that route
5:06tree from 2023, that bad boy is all red,
5:09except the screen. I mean, you know,
5:10it's a it's a first percentile success
5:13rate versus man, first percentile
5:14success rate versus zone. Uh, so,
5:16obviously, he's made a lot of
5:17improvements since then, specifically on
5:18some of the routes you're laying out
5:19here, like these what I would call
5:20breaking routes. Post, dig, out, uh,
5:24slant, solid success rate, flat route,
5:26uh, 100% success rate on a small sample.
5:28So, really, some of those more breaking
5:30routes, which, by the way,
5:32it's still not really like the heaviest
5:35diet of his route tree. And I think
5:38that's an important point to talk about
5:39here. Like, he's never been an
5:41above-average performer on the nine
5:43route, uh, in his NFL career. And while
5:47he um,
5:49it while he ran fewer nine routes last
5:52year, it was still at 18%
5:54nine route rate. Like he's still he's
5:56still kind of used as a vertical X
5:59receiver. And I personally would like to
6:03see QJ moved more to like a Z receiver
6:06position. You know, there's part of me
6:08that thinks like if he was used in the
6:10way that Rashee Rice is used by the
6:12Kansas City Chiefs, I think he'd
6:14actually really cook in that role. And I
6:16actually wrote that in his second year
6:18profile
6:19for Quentin Johnston. I think he'd be
6:21really good in that role. There's some
6:22differences in their games, but I also
6:24think there's a lot of similarities. If
6:26you look at Quentin Johnston and Rashee
6:27Rice in reception perception, and I know
6:29that would sound crazy if you looked at
6:31like their production, especially on
6:32like an efficiency basis per route and
6:34everything. But you got to also note
6:37that Quentin Johnston again still in
6:38year three
6:40was not used as a flanker at all. He was
6:42on the line of scrimmage for 80.6% of
6:44his sample snaps. He lined up outside on
6:4683.5%.
6:48So he was still pretty close to like an
6:49exclusive X receiver. And my guess is
6:52that he will be used in that capacity
6:54once again by Mike McDaniel. I don't
6:57think that we will see like I think Trey
6:59Harris maybe could come in and be an X
7:01in 11 personnel and move QJ around, but
7:05um I think it's going to be and we've
7:06talked about this with Ladd McConkey.
7:07It's going to be a very heavy personnel
7:09based offense. They they signed David
7:11Njoku. They signed Charlie Kolar. They
7:13have Arionda Gadsden. They signed a
7:14fullback. We've gone on and on about the
7:16Chargers likely increase in heavy
7:18personnel. So my guess is that in two
7:21receiver sets, it'll look pretty similar
7:23to how the Dolphins used Tyreek Hill and
7:26Jaylen Waddle. And Tyreek Hill was like
7:29the move around guy. And I think Ladd
7:30McConkey's going to be the move around
7:32guy. There's really no reason that he at
7:33his size needs to be an X receiver, even
7:35though he's a good press coverage
7:36receiver. And that will leave Quentin
7:39Johnston to kind of be in the role that
7:42Jaylen Waddle, who has been, as we've
7:44discussed with Waddle many times over
7:46the years,
7:47people don't realize he's mostly been an
7:48outside on ball receiver. And I think
7:50Quentin Johnston will be the outside on
7:51ball receiver. But I So, the the
7:53pre-snap deployment won't change very
7:55much, but where I do think we will see
7:58a significant change potentially for our
8:01guy Quentin Johnston here,
8:03I think his route tree is going to look
8:05really different this year. Like the way
8:07the way that his routes will uncurl from
8:10like a usage standpoint cuz if you look
8:12at Quentin Johnston's route percentage
8:14chart
8:15from 2025,
8:17and then you look at Jaylen Waddle's
8:20route percentage chart from 2025,
8:21they're very different. And we talked
8:25about the routes where Quentin Johnston
8:27is strongest, the routes where he is
8:29weakest from a relative standpoint, the
8:31nine route we
8:32just talked about that, the curl route,
8:34and the comeback route, which are pretty
8:36much like straight-line X receiver
8:38routes. Where if you're going to run
8:39those routes, you got to be really good
8:41technically, you got to be a good route
8:42runner, and I I still think Quentin
8:43Johnston's not a good technical route
8:45runner at this point. I I don't know if
8:46he ever will be.
8:48But if you look at Jaylen Waddle's route
8:49percentage chart, the only three routes
8:51where he was below the NFL average,
8:54curl, nine, comeback. Like the routes he
8:57runs a lot are slants, outs, digs,
9:01flats. That's Those are the routes where
9:03QJ actually is good. Like so, I think
9:05his
9:06route diet will change in Mike
9:08McDaniel's offense, and I think that
9:10will actually potentially improve his
9:13overall success rates as he goes into
9:15year number four.
9:16>> Yeah, you talk about that slant route.
9:17He's been strong for
9:19on the slant for a number of years now.
9:2183% success rate on the slant in 2024,
9:26and a slight dip here in 2025, but I
9:28think still pretty good at 77.6%.
9:31Um and I think when you go back
9:32collegiately, I thought the slant route
9:34was really where he made a lot of his
9:36hay, only because when you get this guy
9:39going horizontally
9:40and away from defenders and not having
9:43to think about, you know, tracking the
9:44football, uh that's really where he was
9:47at his strongest, right? Um going back
9:50to when you compare some of these 2024
9:52numbers to 2025, you talk about
9:55how he improved dramatically. Uh at
9:57least we talked about the dig route, but
9:59as Matt mentioned the the post route, I
10:01mean, goodness gracious. And look, the
10:03the sample size is a lot smaller. He
10:05didn't run a ton of post routes, but
10:07still going from 54% um success rate on
10:10the post, which is a horrible number,
10:13to then posting a 77% success rate on
10:17the post in 2025, a really good number,
10:20um I think that just speaks to and it
10:23speaks very loudly to the improvements
10:26that Quentin Johnston has used to kind
10:28of sort of use his, you know, um
10:30outbreak or inbreaking um techniques and
10:34and try to get open as an inbreaker. So,
10:36I don't know, man.
10:37Look, I'm still very much not um in on
10:40the QJ business, um but that being said,
10:43that being [clears throat] said, there's
10:44no question. There is no question he has
10:47improved as a player and your um and
10:50your, you know, profiles, I think, have
10:52shown that perfectly.
10:54>> Yeah, and I think again, it's it's what
10:56it what is being in on the Quentin
10:58Johnston business. I I get that's like
11:00kind of a relative term.
11:02>> Sure.
11:03>> And like what are the expectations
11:04there?
11:05I will just say from like a from a
11:07fantasy standpoint, if you're if we're
11:09like setting up expectations from He
11:10right now consensus ADP-wise on Fantasy
11:13Pros is the wide receiver 41
11:16in half PPR scoring. So, it's not like
11:18people are expecting him to come in here
11:19and be, you know, a stud this year or
11:21anything like that, right? But I think
11:23he could outkick that. Like I think he
11:25could produce
11:26>> Mhm.
11:27>> better than those numbers, mostly
11:28because of his own individual
11:30improvement, but also the offensive
11:32environment, which I think suits his
11:34skills well with all the breaking routes
11:36and yards after catch stuff. Like
11:38>> Yeah.
11:38>> We got to remember with Quentin Johnston
11:40um last year was really the first year
11:42that he didn't he wasn't like
11:44consistently haunted by drops and and
11:46everything. Um actually his drop rate
11:48was pretty low last year. He he didn't
11:50have He still is going to
11:52He had like an average-ish contested
11:53catch rate. I think he will always
11:55struggle a little bit in that way, which
11:57I haven't said this on this this
11:59particular show, but I have said this
12:00over the years that I think Quentin
12:02Johnston was really set up to fail in
12:03his rookie year. Like as as we're we're
12:05talking about his rookie year being so
12:06bad, I think he also was put in a
12:09horrendous position. Like I have no idea
12:11I have no idea what the Chargers thought
12:13they were scouting in I mean Quentin
12:16Johnston and then what he was
12:17I I like think it was if we're being
12:19generous to the Chargers at that point,
12:21they they were like, well, we can
12:23develop him slowly because we have Mike
12:25Williams as an X receiver. It's like,
12:27well, Mike Williams gets hurt all the
12:28time and guess what? He got hurt like in
12:29four
12:29>> Yeah.
12:30>> into that rookie season. So QJ had to be
12:32a vertical X receiver and track the
12:33football over his shoulder, which he's
12:35never been good at, but what he was good
12:36at in college was some of the breaking
12:37routes and yards after catch, which I
12:39think is where Mike McDaniel will um
12:42kind of let him be used. And if I could
12:45make like a comparison to like a like an
12:47outcome standpoint um
12:50for him and I this came to me. I was
12:52just thinking about like what could type
12:53of year could Quentin Johnston have? Do
12:54you remember
12:56with the Titans in 2020,
12:58Corey Davis who look, very similar to
13:01QJ. I think was a disappointing
13:03disappointing first-round pick, but
13:05turned into
13:06like a solid starting receiver for a
13:08stretch. He wasn't completely worthless.
13:11He just wasn't worth the fifth overall
13:13pick. And I think Quentin Johnston
13:15probably is still a disappointing
13:17first-round pick, but is not a is is
13:20shouldn't no longer be discussed as some
13:22kind of like worthless player. And
13:24frankly, I I have that going into last
13:26year for him.
13:27But again, Corey Davis that year, him
13:29and A.J. Brown were both top five in the
13:32NFL in yards per route run that season.
13:35Uh and
13:36A.J. Brown was obviously higher, Corey
13:38Davis was uh right behind him. And Corey
13:40Davis I think had like 10.7 yards per
13:42target that year. He made a lot of
13:45efficient plays on lower volume for the
13:47Titans that year because the Titans were
13:4931st in 11 personnel rate with 39.3% in
13:532020. Which I think is kind of what this
13:55Chargers team is going to look like with
13:57all the fullback like the fullback and
13:59the the the the tight ends and
14:00everything. So,
14:02yeah. I mean, I I do think that's kind
14:05of a similar season that QJ could have.
14:06Like 900-ish yards, a good amount of
14:09touchdowns, kind of living off big
14:11plays. He probably always will be like a
14:13volatile player. That was the arc when
14:15we discussed him as a prospect. That was
14:16the archetype of prospect he belonged
14:18in. Like the volatile boundary big play
14:20receiver. I kind of think that's always
14:21who he's going to be as long as he's
14:23used in this X receiver role.
14:25But yeah, that's sort of a career
14:26outcome uh kind of standpoint for a for
14:29for Quentin Johnston, that 2020 Corey
14:32Davis season. And by the way, shoutout
14:34to our player comparison tool, one of
14:36the player comps that shows up for
14:38Quentin Johnston. Even before I knew
14:39this, by the way. Yeah. It shows up as
14:42Corey Davis as one of the comparable
14:43players. So, I do think that's kind of
14:44an outcome uh for him that could happen
14:46here.