12 Risky Players To Avoid | Think Twice About These Potential Fantasy Football Landmines (Ep. 2073)
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56 min
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Jul 1, 2026
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Wed, July 1, 2026
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Alec PierceBreece HallD.J. MooreDallas GoedertEmanuel WilsonGeorge KittleIsaiah LikelyJ.K. DobbinsJadarian PriceJake FergusonJeremiyah LoveJonah ColemanJosh DownsJosh Jacobs
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Alec Pierce
PositiveBust32:00
Pierce is a landmine due to multiple concerns: Colts traded Michael Pittman and signed Pierce to extension instead, but uncertainty remains about whether Keenan Allen will be signed (which would hurt Pierce's target share); Pierce had ankle procedure in April with three-month recovery, unclear if he'll be back for camp; Daniel Jones' status unknown; Pierce had 47 receptions last year and is being overrated as a #1 receiver when he could easily not be one in receptions (could be Tyler Warren or Josh Downs); the source calls this death by a thousand cuts. However, Pierce improved significantly over last two seasons and succeeded with both Daniel Jones and Philip Rivers, showing it wasn't just a one-QB situation; the source trusts Shane Steichen as play caller and believes Pierce could run more complete route tree, potentially becoming knockoff version of Jordy Nelson; optimistic about his price and potential.
Insight pageBreece Hall
NegativeRole21:04
Jets coach Aaron Glenn stated the team will employ a three-man backfield with Braylon Allen and Isaiah Davis kicking in; the source prefers Jeremiah Love and Josh Jacobs over Hall despite Hall's talent, noting Jacobs has lower ADP/ECR; Hall's expensive contract and the team's non-playoff trajectory raise questions about workload preservation. However, another panelist (Bogman) ranks Hall at RB13 in a tier from 11-19, seeing upside as a potential RB1 if he scores touchdowns; believes Hall is significantly better than backup options and will be hard to take off field despite Glenn's three-man backfield comments; projects Hall to push toward 300 touches again, though he's never reached that mark.
Insight pageD.J. Moore
NegativeProjection27:00
The source is concerned DJ Moore is being drafted for what he used to be rather than what he is now; hasn't had a 1,000-yard season since 2023 and averaged 1.44 and 1.24 yards per route run the last two seasons—objectively terrible numbers; even in best seasons, Moore has not been prolific TD scorer with 41 TDs in 131 career games (5.1 per season average); Josh Allen hasn't hit 30 TD passes in last three seasons, limiting upside despite move from Chicago. However, Bogman is in on Moore at current price as a WR3 with potential to be WR1, noting that even if he fails, the cost is low; Moore is currently WR28 and cheap enough to take a flyer on; he's the clear #1 option in Buffalo with less competition than in Chicago (Shakir, Keon Coleman, rookie Skylar Bell are not as strong as Odunze, Colson Loveland, Luther Burden); expects clarity on his value by October 1st.
Insight pageDallas Goedert
PositiveValue48:48
The source recommends Dallas Goddert as a better tight end draft pick than Jake Ferguson, noting Goddert is lower in ECR than Ferguson and represents better value at the position.
Insight pageEmanuel Wilson
NegativeRole50:00
The Seahawks signed Emmanuel Wilson to share running back duties, but the source expects Jadarian Price to be the primary back once the season progresses, limiting Wilson's role and making him a secondary option in the backfield.
Insight pageGeorge Kittle
PositiveValue49:09
The source expresses preference for taking a flyer on George Kittle over Jake Ferguson in the late-round tight end tier, suggesting Kittle offers better upside as a late-round option.
Insight pageIsaiah Likely
PositiveValue48:48
The source recommends Isaiah Likely as a better tight end draft pick than Jake Ferguson, noting Likely is lower in ECR than Ferguson and represents better value at the position.
Insight pageJ.K. Dobbins
PositiveRole36:00
Dobbins is back and figures to get most early-down carries and goal-line carries as long as he's available; if he stays healthy all season, RJ Harvey won't get enough touches to be fantasy-relevant.
Insight pageJadarian Price
PositiveRole50:00
The source identifies Jadarian Price as the clear lead back for the Seahawks despite talk of a three-headed backfield with Charbonnet and Emmanuel Wilson. Price is described as way better than Charbonnet or Wilson and will be the primary back once the season progresses, making him the preferred Seahawks running back investment.
Insight pageJake Ferguson
NegativeValue47:48
Ferguson's ECR of tight end 12 (116th overall) is way too high given the presence of healthy CeeDee Lamb and George Pickens. Lamb and Pickens combined for 250 targets and 168 catches last season (with Lamb missing three games). Ferguson had eight touchdowns, four of which came in the three games Lamb missed, and four in the other 14 games. He averaged 7.3 yards per catch (a career low) and finished tight end 8 in half-point PPR but tight end 13 in points per game among tight ends with 5+ games played. The source prefers Mark Andrews, Isaiah Likely, and Dallas Goddert as better draft picks at lower ECR, and would take a flyer on George Kittle over Ferguson.
Insight pageJeremiyah Love
PositiveValue21:04
The source prefers Love over Breece Hall without question; Love is sandwiched between Hall and Kyron Williams in ECR; faces similar criticism as Hall (expensive contract, non-playoff team) but the source argues teams must justify early draft investment by using him heavily. Love was added to the Cardinals backfield, which reduces passing volume and target opportunities for receivers.
Insight pageJonah Coleman
PositiveSleeper36:00
Coleman was drafted by the Broncos in the 4th round as a significant investment; he is a capable pass catcher and really good pass blocker. The source prefers Coleman as the cheapest option in the Denver backfield (50-something RB off board) and would stash him if patient with bench depth, believing he'll get some play due to injuries or investment justification. Coleman is the play if forced to pick from the Denver backfield.
Insight pageJosh Downs
NegativeRole33:00
Downs faces significant target-share risk if the Colts sign Keenan Allen; Allen showed last year he could still play, making him a legitimate threat to Downs' opportunities in Indianapolis. The source notes this would hurt Downs alongside other Colts receivers.
Insight pageJosh Jacobs
PositiveValue21:36
The source prefers Jacobs over Breece Hall and notes Jacobs has lower ADP in ECR at the moment, making him a better value proposition compared to Hall despite Hall's talent.
Insight pageKeenan Allen
PositiveRole33:00
Rumblings suggest Colts may sign Allen, which would hurt multiple receivers including Alec Pierce, Josh Downs, and Tyler Warren; Allen showed last year he could still play, making him a legitimate threat to target share in Indianapolis if signed.
Insight pageKyren Williams
PositiveValue25:00
Kyron Williams is sandwiched between Jeremiah Love and Breece Hall in ECR and is described as a divisive player; the source would take Williams over both Love and Hall easily, with another panelist also ranking Williams above both.
Insight pageMark Andrews
PositiveValue48:48
The source recommends Mark Andrews as a better tight end draft pick than Jake Ferguson, noting Andrews is lower in ECR than Ferguson and represents better value at the position.
Insight pageMarvin Harrison Jr.
NegativeBust44:05
The source describes Marvin Harrison as a perennial letdown, suggesting continued disappointment in 2025 despite the Cardinals' offensive changes. This characterization implies skepticism about his ability to deliver consistent fantasy value in a crowded receiving corps with reduced passing volume.
Insight pageMichael Pittman
PositiveDepth Chart32:00
Colts traded Pittman away and signed Alec Pierce to extension instead, choosing Pierce as the #1 receiver going forward.
Insight pageMichael Wilson
NegativeBust41:00
Wilson had a fantastic run last year but the source warns against reinvesting at current price. New offensive system with new coach, quarterback holding out (Jacoby Brissett), and Cardinals additions (Jeremiah Love, Algier) to the backfield complicate the outlook. The Cardinals unlikely to pass 600+ times again like last year; Wilson is a journeyman who hasn't done anything close to last year's production before, making it difficult to justify reinvestment. The source ranks Wilson at 48 overall, below his ECR of 38 and projection rank of 44, arguing he is overvalued. With new offensive play caller, volume is expected to decrease for all pass catchers; Kendrick Bourne was added as a superior third wide receiver option. The source prefers Wilson as a wide receiver four, not three, due to too many mouths to feed in a reduced passing volume environment.
Insight pageRJ Harvey
NegativeBust36:00
Harvey is a landmine at 87th overall ADP despite 12 rookie TDs; after J.K. Dobbins' injury last year, Harvey averaged only 3.3 yards per carry behind a good Broncos OL and was flat-out bad as a runner. The Broncos drafted Jonah Coleman in the 4th round as a significant investment; Dobbins gets most early-down and goal-line carries; Coleman is a capable pass catcher and good pass blocker, so Harvey may not get all passing-down work either. Sean Payton historically runs committee backfields (Mark Ingram, Alvin Kamara, Pierre Thomas). If Dobbins stays healthy, Harvey won't give enough touches to return profit on an 87th overall pick.
Insight pageTrey McBride
PositiveProjection44:05
McBride's ADP has improved from early offseason consensus as an early second-round pick to mid-to-late second round, which is more reasonable. He will still catch a lot of balls but not the 120-plus receptions from last year. The source expects him to remain a solid investment but acknowledges volume will decline due to the Cardinals' shift toward a run-heavy offense with new backfield additions.
Insight pageTyler Warren
PositiveRole33:00
Warren would lose target share if the Colts sign Keenan Allen; Allen remains a capable receiver despite his age, posing a direct threat to Warren's role in the Colts offense.
Insight pageZach Charbonnet
NegativeBust50:00
The source expresses no interest in rostering Zach Charbonnet for 2025, citing his torn ACL recovery timeline and the addition of first-round running back Jadarian Price. Charbonnet will not return until Thanksgiving at earliest and will not be rushed back given he is a free agent after 2025 and will want to preserve earning potential. With Price as the clear lead back once healthy and Emmanuel Wilson also in the mix, Charbonnet's goal-line role is at risk. Interest in Charbonnet is contingent on having multiple IR and bench spots; fewer spots means less interest.
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Episode Transcript
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0:13This is the Fantasy Football Podcast. It is me, Joe P.
0:16Pisapia. With me, of course, is Scott Bogman and Pat Fitzmaurice.
0:20And today we're going to discuss some risky players.
0:22Now, sometimes there's guys you want to take the risk with.
0:26Sometimes there's players you want to avoid. So we're going to talk about some controversial names that could potentially ruin all the
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0:53Gentlemen, great to see you as always when we talk about some of the risky players.
0:58Again, sometimes there's good risk. Sometimes there's bad risk.
1:00And we're going to talk about what the difference is and some of these landmines we want to avoid this year in Fantasy Football.
1:08Scott Bogman, let's start with you. Let's talk about Ken Walker and Rushy Rice.
1:12Two guys, same team, both potential landmines. One, potentially from a usage standpoint of Ken Walker, who when he gets used too
1:19much has shown that sometimes he can break down on the side of the road.
1:23And then Rushy Rice, who sometimes gets pulled over to the side of the road.
1:28The side of the road. But let's talk about these two guys and some of the issues that they might be facing in 2026.
1:35I got to tell you, in the middle of the summer where we've been talking about football for like four straight months now, you're getting really creative, Joe.
1:44I like your side of the road reference for these.
1:47I didn't even plan it. It just happens organically.
1:50Hey, you know what? That's the best things happen all at once.
1:54That's right. So, yeah, great, great analogy there. Thank you.
1:57Thank you. That was that was outstanding. But yeah, I'm concerned with the Chiefs overall.
2:01You know, I think this dream of Patrick Mahomes playing week one is a bit eye rolling.
2:07Maybe he does. Maybe he plays week one. If he plays week one, he's playing week one at less than 100 percent, in my opinion.
2:14So towards ACL in late December. So I know medical science is advancing and all that stuff.
2:19But I do think this offense is going to take a hit.
2:23And I think we really love what we saw from Ken Walker in the playoffs last year.
2:28We know that the talent is there. It always has been.
2:32If you watch him in college, you saw him run through a great Michigan defense.
2:36Every defense he ran through, everyone knew it was coming and he still did it right.
2:41The offensive line was OK. It wasn't like a historic offensive line.
2:45His quarterback was Brian Lewerke. So, yes, they were going to run him a lot.
2:50We've seen him look amazing, but he just it's like you said, Joe, it's the touches, man.
2:55He's been over 250 touches one time in his career.
2:58He's never even pushed 300. I know that we think that he is going to come in and take 300 touches because
3:05he got a nice payday and all that. I if he does that, if that is the goal specifically while Patrick Mahomes
3:11is gone, I think he doesn't make it to the end of the year like he has tended not to in his NFL career.
3:19That's why the Seahawks added Zach Charbonnet and relied on two different guys and specifically at the goal line.
3:25We don't want Ken Walker taking those goal line hits.
3:28So we put Charbonnet in there, right? So I think that you're going to see some of some similar things in Kansas City.
3:35I think we're going to see a lot of Emmitt Johnson or Brashard Smith, whoever wins that job.
3:40And right now, Ken Walker is going 25 overall.
3:43He says the first pick in the third round.
3:46I have him in the fourth round and I know that's not a popular opinion, but I'm just not going to have many shares of Ken Walker.
3:54And it's weird because I feel like I'm the original Kenneth Walker guy.
3:58You are. So you are. But I'm just I'm just out for fantasy this year for Ken Walker.
4:04And then where she rice, let's just ignore the off field stuff, right?
4:08You know, it doesn't seem like he's going to get suspended for it.
4:12So I don't think we need to worry about it.
4:15No, but you have to worry about between now and then.
4:18So we got 60 days. But that's the thing.
4:21It's like you can't say ignore the off the field stuff because he's never ending with the off field stuff.
4:27You need. Yeah, you need to hire a babysitter for where she rice as well.
4:32I feel like. But let's ignore the off the field stuff, Joe.
4:36Let's just go with injuries, right? December of 2025 concussion, November of 25 hamstring, August of 25, a groin injury.
4:42Of course, in October of 24, he tore his MCL.
4:45Before that, he had a hamstring injury. So for she rice puts up amazing numbers.
4:49He's targeted heavily, right out of one hundred and four qualified wide receiver tight ends.
4:54Everybody with 50 targets last season, he was first in yak perception at seven point nine eight fourth and targets per route run.
5:01Only Puka, JSN and Monra were ahead of him.
5:04Eleventh in receiving yards per game. Fifteenth in missed force, the missed tackles force per reception.
5:09He had some low numbers, 60 eighth in yards per target.
5:12That's just because he got a large volume of targets.
5:15Seventy eighth and drop percentage. But I don't really care about drops unless they get you off the field.
5:21But when is Patrick Mahomes coming back? Right. Is he going to have his best, you know, his quarterback that gets him
5:28the ball there for the entire season? Are they going to rush him back and then he's going to miss time again?
5:35I think there are too many what ifs for she rice for me to make him a wide receiver one.
5:41That's basically what my argument is here, because I'm not far off.
5:45ECR is ECR is twenty seven. I've been twenty nine.
5:48And overall, the difference to me is, is I have him at wide receiver fourteen where he's wide receiver twelve in ECR.
5:54I just cannot accept her. She rice as your wide receiver one.
5:58I can't either. I'm with you, Pat. You know, when it comes to these chiefs guys, if I can get Ken Walker
6:05at the end of a third round, if he slips, I'm willing to draft him.
6:09But to Bogman's point, I think he's a prime candidate to sell for six weeks.
6:14Like you hit the six week mark and you shop him around because the volume is going to be there and the numbers going to be there.
6:22I assume the ramp up, even if Patrick Mahomes does play week one, which again, I'm still skeptical about that happening.
6:29I do believe it's going to be a slower ramp up anyway.
6:33And they're going to lean heavily on him, which means that I think maybe the best version of Ken Walker is the
6:39one you get for the first six weeks of the season.
6:43Piles up some stats and then you flip them in a trade if you get a good value.
6:48But I do have to get a value on him.
6:51Where do you stand on rice? Where do you stand on Walker?
6:55Fitzy, I want your two cents on these guys.
6:58Agree completely on Rasheed Rice. I think the third round ECR slash ADP is kind of crazy for him.
7:04I like last year when we were getting the six game suspension discount, much more appealing price.
7:09Now it feels like we're drafting him or ranking him pretty close to the optimal outcome for him.
7:14And like we haven't even talked about the possibility.
7:17Maybe Xavier Worthy wasn't right all last season after dislocating his shoulder in the season opener.
7:22And maybe he starts chipping away like I know rice has been kind of a PPR machine.
7:27But man, there's a lot of injury and character risk there.
7:31Um, Kenneth Walker, I'm a little more willing to embrace the risk.
7:34I just think the role could be a lot different.
7:37And yes, he has broken down in the past.
7:40Maybe that happens again. But injury rates generally are pretty high at running back anyway.
7:45And that's sort of the risk you take with a high volume running back.
7:49But I do think the Chiefs are going to have him be a high volume running back.
7:54Like, like, Brashard Smith is not stealing touches from Kenneth Walker.
7:58Maybe some third and 13 Brashard Smith or Imari Di Mercado is on the field.
8:02But, um. Emmitt Johnson. Emmitt Johnson. I like, I like Emmitt Johnson.
8:06I hope it's him and not Imari Di Mercado.
8:09But, uh, yeah, I'm, I'm willing to take Kenneth Walker pretty close to where he's being drafted.
8:14That two, three turn. I'm, I'm good with that.
8:17All right, Fitzy, let's talk about some wide receivers that you think might be a little too risky for you in the early rounds of fantasy.
8:25Nico Collins is one that you've kind of outlined here and Malik Nabors the other.
8:30Now, Malik Nabors one, I think that, I think we all get that.
8:34And I think we've been very outspoken on this show, no matter who the panel is about Malik Nabors concerns.
8:40Like what's a guy that we'd love to have next year, but this season seems like could get off to a slow start.
8:47We don't know what the productivity is going to look like.
8:50I think that one's kind of a no brainer yet so far.
8:54And I think it's just because it's early. It doesn't feel like the ADP has moved all that much.
9:00I do believe that sentiment will grow and that ADP will fall.
9:03And then it becomes a more interesting conversation. But Nico Collins, I gotta say, I was a little surprised because Nico is
9:10a guy that has shown you he can be kind of a, you know, a top guy in his position.
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9:22Shameless promotion there where Fitzy and I talked about CJ Stroud with Andrew Erickson and players that had to really, you know, perform.
9:29And, and, you know, where things were really on the table for them this year where they had to kind of put up or shut up.
9:37And CJ Stroud was one of them is the Stroud conversation bleeding into the Nico conversation.
9:42Talk to me about Nico and then tell me about Malik Nabors as well.
9:46Maybe a little bit with the Stroud thing. So there are three ways in which I think Nico is a little risky
9:53and, and here they are from least worrisome to most worrisome.
9:57Um, one, I think the Iowa state kids that the Texans have at wide receiver, Jaden Higgins and Jalen Noel pair of second year guys.
10:04I think they're really talented. Like probably not talented enough to knock Nico off his perch as Houston's lead receiver, but maybe
10:11talented enough to put a small dent in Nico's target share.
10:15Um, two, this Texans defense is nasty, maybe the best in the league.
10:19And the Texans now have a legitimate running back at David Montgomery after not having one last year at all.
10:25It won't be surprising if the Texans are one of the run heaviest teams in the league this year, because they're going
10:31to have a lot of run friendly game scripts.
10:34They've got a guy who can carry the mail dependably now.
10:38And maybe part of it is that they're trying to hide CJ Stroud a little bit because he's not been that great for the last two years.
10:46So, um, look, a run heavy game plan or a run heavy approach can still work for a wide receiver.
10:52If he's getting the sort of target share we saw Jackson Smith and Jigba get last season, but I don't see Nico
10:59approaching a 30% target share, let alone the 34% plus that JSN was getting last year.
11:04And then third, so I just kind of whistled past the graveyard with the Kenneth Walker, the third injury history, but, uh,
11:11I got to bring it up with Nico. Um, missed three games with the shoulder injury as a rookie in 2021, seven
11:17games with foot and groin injuries in 2022, two games with a calf injury in 2023, five games with a hamstring injury
11:24in 2024, two with a concussion last year. Uh, since coming into the league, Nico's missed nearly a quarter of the Texans regular season games.
11:32And then just, if I can, uh, piggyback on the neighbors thing, like some guys, I mean, it's not so much that he's coming off a torn ACL.
11:40Like Christian Watson, who everyone knocks for being injury prone, had a great recovery from his torn ACL was back in what,
11:47like nine months and was terrific upon his return.
11:50But obviously like things have not gone well with the neighbors return.
11:54There was some sort of cleanup surgery this spring.
11:56We see him in a charity softball game and he's kind of hobbling around and John Harbaugh says they don't know when
12:03he's going to go back on the field. So I just think ECR has not caught up yet on Malik neighbors.
12:10I think it will though, box. Don't you, don't you feel like the Malik neighbors readjustment period is inevitable.
12:15Maybe it might. Right. I, I, I wouldn't, that's why it just be a matter of the fact.
12:21Well, if he looks good in camp, it's just, that's it.
12:24Right. Like if he, if they come back in the early stages in camp and Malik neighbors makes two catches to make
12:31the whole crowd go, Ooh, and ah, then it's going to be, Oh, look, Malik looks fine.
12:36No worries at all. Right. That's what, but if he starts and he's in the non-contact Jersey and he's away from the
12:43team, which is kind of what we expect, then it definitely will.
12:47So it will definitely go back down, which is kind of what I think.
12:51And that's why I think currently I'm unwilling to pay for Malik neighbors at all because he is going into the year hurt.
12:58And honestly, in most cases, I just don't want to deal with that for any player on any level.
13:04If you're dealing with an injury going into the year, football is brutal enough.
13:08Yeah. You always start the year. The classic Bob.
13:11Why, why would we start with guys when we know everybody on our roster is going to get hurt anyway?
13:17So, you know what? It's simple, but it's true.
13:20Yeah. Sometimes you just got to obey the, the kiss method, right?
13:24The keep it simple, stupid. This guy's hurt. Let's not draft him.
13:28So the Nico thing, I'm more willing to take on Nico because I agree with all the points that, that Fitz, he just made.
13:35Right. I do think that there's, you can death by a thousand cuts, Nico Collins, specifically with the injuries.
13:41He's still the best wide receiver on that team.
13:44So, um, I, and I think by decent margin and I like Higgins and I like Noel and tank Dell is coming back.
13:51Right. But I, I'm more concerned about the changes in the offense because they got a new running back that can carry
13:57a big workload and they fix holes in the offensive line and the defense.
14:02I think that last point that Fitz, he made, uh, in the run script is the biggest thing for Nico.
14:08I still have him very high because I think there's a lot of touchdown upside with him.
14:13I think CJ Stroud is going to play better, but that you can definitely ifs and buts Nico Collins down to not being worth where he's going.
14:21It's, it's the ECR of 15 overall. Like there are a lot of good players in the draft at that point.
14:28I mean, give me Brock Bowers over Nico Collins anytime.
14:31Yeah. I'm in agreement with you guys on all of that.
14:34All right. Before we get to the next guys on the list, two running backs, actually, that might be a little too rich for these two gentlemen's blood.
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16:15More often games. Just Nico Collins has missed in the last couple of years.
16:19That's right. Truer words have never been spoken. Let's talk about two running backs in the top 50.
16:25Jeremiah Love. First one here. Now Boggs, the talent is certainly a top 50 talent.
16:29Question is top 50 usage. We have seen the rookie running backs that we've been excited about time and time again fail
16:36to reach that productivity level that we want in their rookie year.
16:40Usually it's more of a last eight week thing than a first eight week thing.
16:45So is Jeremiah Love's draft stock not reflective enough of that potential?
16:48Yeah. Don't worry, Joe. I have done the math for us here.
16:52I went and looked at the rookie season for everyone in the top 12 outside of, you know, we already talked about Ken Walker.
16:59Didn't want to go back in on him. Uh, there are of those, uh, let the 10, I think I got 10 running backs here.
17:07How many do you think finished on points per game with an RB one average?
17:12It's not zero. I'll say that. I'm going to say thing finished.
17:15I'm going to say Saquon's rookie year is definitely one of them.
17:19He finished RB two. And then Pat, is there another one off the top of your head that you can think of explosive rookies?
17:26I'm going to say two guys. Like, cause there's gotta be more than one.
17:31Cause I already said Saquon. What do you think?
17:34Fitz, he's the one ringing a bell to you.
17:36Rookie running backs. It just like got off the gangbuster starts.
17:40Wasn't McCaffrey RB 11 and half point PPR. He was, uh, yeah.
17:43Uh, Gibbs was not, not, not CMC. It was Gibbs was, uh, RB 11.
17:48JT was RB 10. Uh, so Gibbs was a nightmare for the first month or so of the season and people wanted to drop him.
17:55And this is points per game. It's not total points also, by the way, cause I didn't think that was fair for
18:02rookies because like you said, a lot of the times they're using them in and all that.
18:07But, uh, so Barkley had the most touches of any of these RBs, uh, 352 as a rookie RB two Ashton Gentry last year was second in touches.
18:16321 RB 17. We had JT who had 286 touches as a rookie still finishes RB 10.
18:21But beyond that 320 plus touches in each of his three seasons with over 11 games or more.
18:27So way fewer touches than he normally gets. Bijon 272 finished RB 17.
18:31Gibbs was only 234. He scored touchdowns RB 11, but CMC only had 197.
18:35Hampton, uh, was 156. Even if we go down to per games, because he only played those nine games, he was RB 15.
18:42A-chan was 24. Derek Henry was 58. Chase Brown was 73.
18:46So, uh, Jeremiah Love, the most touches he had in college football season was 226 last year.
18:51And that was 28th in the country. So Algier is the goal line machine for this team.
18:56You would assume he's going to have the same role as he did in Atlanta.
19:01And they, James Conner still on the roster. They passed more than any other team last season.
19:06I don't think that's going to continue. Obviously we'll talk more about that later, but I don't know if there are enough
19:13touches to get Jeremiah Love up to a very, very stable RB like high end RB two.
19:18Does he have the upside for that? Absolutely. But I just don't know if we're going to get there.
19:24And I think by the time you are actually drafting, especially after a couple of nice moves in the preseason or in
19:31camp or whatever Jeremiah Love's just values, just going to continue to climb.
19:35And he has a potential to be a landmine.
19:37He also has a potential to break everything open.
19:40He is that talented. But I just think if you look at the way that the roster is constructed and everyone's role,
19:47I think there are probably about 200 to 225 touches here for Jeremiah Love, which is not going to be enough to push him into RB one territory.
19:55Yeah. That's another guy that I think I would rather as current ADP.
19:59We'll see if it changes. I'd rather trade for a month into the season than draft where Ken Walker, you know, that's
20:06the quality of the volume that can be an issue.
20:09Brees Hall and the Jets, certainly the Jets offense had a lot of quality issues last year.
20:15We could talk about that. So 2026, what has you hesitant about Brees Hall?
20:19On a different team, Brees Hall might even warrant first round consideration or at least top 20 consideration.
20:24Like, I mean, he's good, right? Whether you want to look at the numbers or just use your eyeballs, I think everyone
20:31would agree that Brees Hall is a good player.
20:34But we know the Jets are going to be a bad team that won't score a lot of touchdowns.
20:40And this has been kind of a problem for Brees during his first four NFL seasons.
20:45He's never had more than five touchdown runs in a season.
20:48And he's averaged less than half a touchdown a game during those four years with the Jets.
20:53And because the Jets are bad, they have no incentive to give a heavy workload to a player.
20:59They just gave a three-year deal worth $45.8 million, which is big money for a running back.
21:04The Jets are not going to the Super Bowl this year.
21:07Why work your expensive running back into the ground?
21:10So if he were in the last year of his contract and had expressed the desire to test the free agent market
21:17at the end of the deal, different story. In that case, why save him?
21:21But we've already had Jets coach Aaron Glenn saying the team is going to have a three-man backfield.
21:27Braylon Allen and Isaiah Davis kicking in. I would rather have Jeremiah Love than Brees Hall, without question.
21:32And I would rather have Josh Jacobs than Brees Hall.
21:36And Jacobs has a lower ADP in ECR at the moment.
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23:35Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Yeah, look, Brees Hall, talented.
23:39Bogman, do you have that same reservation, too, that Fitzy has, which is just, like, the inaptitude, potentially, of that Jets offense,
23:46that it's just not enough around him to justify, you know, his ADP?
23:50Or do you think that, hey, look, he is the offense.
23:53And that could be another way you could look at the Jets right now.
23:58It's hard for me to put this into good words.
24:01I have a big tier from 11 to 19.
24:04So I have him in there. I have him high in it.
24:07I have him at 13. So I do see the upside for Brees Hall as, like, maybe one of those, you know,
24:14pushing into RB1 guys if he scores touchdowns. I don't as much have the reservations about Aaron Glenn's words at all, right?
24:21Like, is Aaron Glenn even going to be coaching his team after October?
24:25I don't know. So I do think that the intention is to break up the touches a little bit more.
24:31Braylon Allen even added weight for it, it looks like.
24:34I think Isaiah Davis is a better running back than Braylon Allen, just straight up.
24:39So there's that. But I think once we get to it and we see this with a lot of coaches is Brees
24:45Hall is just so much better than these guys, it's hard to take him off the field.
24:51And that's how that's pretty much where I end up with Brees Hall every time.
24:55But I understand it's not a good offense, right?
24:58Kate Klubnik is probably going to start a lot of games.
25:01So I understand not wanting Brees Hall. I just think he's way better than the other guys.
25:07And I don't think Aaron Glenn is long for that job.
25:10So I do think he'll have he'll push 300 touches again.
25:13He's never got there, but I think he'll he'll push towards it again.
25:17It's funny because is sandwiched in between Jeremiah Love and Brees Hall and ECR is Kyron Williams, who is also a divisive player.
25:25But I would take Kyron Williams over both of them easily.
25:28I have Kyron over both of them. Yeah. Pat, are you three for three on that one?
25:33No, I've got Love higher than Kyron. Oh, OK.
25:36Look at you. So the first since 2015, there have been eight running backs taken with top 12 picks and they have
25:43averaged a little over fourteen hundred yards from scrimmage year and ten point nine touchdowns like that.
25:48But all the stuff that you just said about Brees Hall is also the same as Jeremiah Love, right?
25:54A team that has him on a big contract that knows they're not going to be very good.
25:59Why are you wearing him out early in his career?
26:02You could say that for Love just as well as Hall.
26:06I think they have to justify taking him number three.
26:09It's a good point, too. Yeah. Lots of good points being made and certainly more players to talk about, too.
26:15So let's get after some of the guys a little bit further down in the mid round.
26:20Let's start with you here. I'm happy because DJ Moore is on this list for you, which, again, I'm I'm somebody who's
26:27in on DJ Moore this year because I last for me fits.
26:31Yeah. Like. I look at this one, Fitz. So, you know, I say to myself, DJ Moore has Khalil Shakir and Keon Coleman to fight with.
26:39Maybe if he's still on the team by the time we get to August.
26:43I don't know. This one seems like an easy one where it's not super expensive for me to find out if DJ Moore is useful.
26:51He's the 28th wide receiver. However, we're talking about guys being drafted around there that are not have are unproven or have
26:58not really, I don't know, shown you all that much in the NFL, whereas DJ Moore has.
27:03He's given you some really good seasons with a really subpar quarterback play.
27:07And now he's get Josh Allen. I can understand if he was in a top 20, but he's kicking 30 right now almost.
27:14And you're still out on him. Please tell me why.
27:17I think a lot of people are viewing DJ Moore as the new Stefan Diggs for Josh Allen, just a go to
27:24guy, a guy that Allen can hyper targets. I know DJ Moore has had some good seasons.
27:29And believe me, Joe, I was a DJ Moore guy when he was routinely cashing in with thousand yard outputs year after year.
27:36But man, we haven't seen a thousand yard season from him since 2023.
27:40And he hasn't been very good the last two years.
27:43He has averaged 1.44 and 1.24 yards per route run the last two seasons.
27:47Those are objectively terrible numbers. And I know Caleb Williams has not been the easiest quarterback to play with the last two years.
27:55Hasn't been super accurate. There've been a lot of off target throws.
27:58But man, I mean, DJ Moore was a non-factor for long stretches each of the last two seasons in Chicago.
28:04Even in his best seasons, DJ Moore hasn't been a prolific TD scorer.
28:08He's had 41 touchdowns in 131 career games. He's averaged 5.1 per season.
28:12And I don't know if Josh Allen really helps the outlook in that department because Caleb Williams actually had two more touchdown passes than Josh Allen last year.
28:21Allen hasn't hit 30 touchdown passes any of the last three seasons.
28:25So I just worry that even at what seems like a reasonable price for DJ Moore, we're still paying for what DJ
28:31Moore used to be rather than what he is now.
28:35Because we have just not seen that old DJ Moore for a while.
28:39On the flip side of that, Fitzy, I would just say in his defense, again, just taking the other point of view
28:45on this one, because I think it's a good conversation, is that when he was the kind of sole guy, the last
28:52time he was that before Luther Burden shows up and Colson Loveland shows up.
28:56If you go back a little while, you know, to the 1300 yard season that he had in 2023, where Justin Fields
29:03was the only target and DJ Moore really, you know, did well there.
29:07He did score eight touchdowns. But as you said, Moore's touchdown numbers have not always been great.
29:12This is a played with Kyle Allen and, you know, kind of the dregs of the quarterback world in the NFL for quite some time.
29:20Boggs, are you in or out of DJ Moore business this year?
29:24I'm in because it's so cheap still. And he's still the number one guy, even though, you know, to Fitzy's point, Josh
29:31Allen is not exactly Tom Brady in terms of the touchdown passing totals.
29:35Yeah, I'm in on DJ Moore. And but I do think to Fitz's point, right, we're going to find out real fast
29:41whether he is done or, you know, this was just such a good thing for his career to get out of Chicago.
29:48I think we are going to find out pretty quick because, you know, I agree that the last two seasons have not
29:55been good with DJ Moore, but I feel like, you know, if we're just switching quarterbacks, DJ Moore is in the same situation, right?
30:02If you just take Caleb out and put Josh Allen into Chicago, DJ Moore is in the same scenario.
30:08But now that you're taking him out of Chicago, he doesn't have to compete with Bird and Loveland and Odunze.
30:14Now his competition is Kincaid, who's not even on the field for, you know, maybe just over 50 percent of the snaps.
30:21Shakir, who's not as good as DJ Moore, in my opinion, a rookie in Skylar Bell, a guy that hasn't panned out in Keon Coleman.
30:29So I think just given the I think he's going to have volume in Buffalo, I think those scenarios are different.
30:35But I do think I think the cost is good now because he's a wide receiver three.
30:40If he's a wide receiver two still, I would be concerned.
30:44But being a wide receiver three, it's like, OK, well, that's my last guy.
30:48If I'm getting DJ Moore and I make a concerted effort to get someone pretty quick behind him to either play a
30:55flex or to back him up, which either either one.
30:58And I think I'm going to be OK with DJ Moore, because even if he fails, he was just a wide receiver three for me.
31:06So I think the cost is fine now on him.
31:09And he has potential to be a wide receiver one.
31:12But to Fitz's point, we're going to know on October, like October 1st, whether this was worth it or not.
31:18We're going to find out real, real fast. And I don't think he's going to be what Diggs was.
31:24But I think, you know, if he could be 80 percent of that, that's still really useful for his current ADP.
31:30Now, if it moves up, that's a conversation we could definitely have to Alec Pierce.
31:35Also, a hot button topic of players with something to prove on the tailgate.
31:39Go check it out. Alec Pierce was brought up by Andrew Erickson, largely because he's gotten paid quite a lot.
31:45And Andrew made a great point, Boggs, about Alec Pierce, where he also said that if he had signed this contract with
31:52somebody else, we'd all be screaming about fading him.
31:55But because he signed it with his team, the Colts, and I thought there was a very astute point.
32:01All of us are kind of like, well, yeah, sure.
32:04I mean, that's the national progression. That's the guy that they want him to be.
32:08And he's in the same offense and theoretically the same quarterback when he comes back healthy, same coach, blah, blah, blah.
32:15I thought that was a very interesting little tidbit that he threw out there.
32:19And it made me kind of pause a little bit.
32:22Oh, yeah. You know, we would fade this guy because he's getting paid more than we've ever seen him be productive necessarily.
32:29And not that he can't be. We've seen flashes of it.
32:33But where are you at with Alec Pierce coming into the season?
32:36Well, I think, you know, a big part of this is in, you know, Eric's made a good point.
32:42And if he had signed, you know, anywhere else would have been like, well, what the hell?
32:47You know, they overpaid him. He had 47 receptions last year.
32:51Right. Like, what are we doing here? But it's not just that.
32:54It's that they chose Alec Pierce over Michael Pittman.
32:57They had a choice. They traded Pittman away. They signed Alec Pierce to this extension.
33:02And they didn't add in the draft. Right. Who is Pittman's replacement?
33:05It's been Westbrook Akina right now. Now, there are rumblings that they're thinking about signing Keenan Allen, which would just be in everybody's Cheerios in Indy.
33:13I mean, it would hurt Alec Pierce. It would hurt Josh Downs.
33:17It hurt Tyler Warren. It would hurt across the board if they signed Keenan Allen because dude showed last year he could still play.
33:25So I don't like that. That's looking around there.
33:27And the last two seasons, we've seen Pierce rise and get way, way better.
33:32And in particular, I was impressed that he also succeeded with Philip Rivers.
33:36Right. This wasn't just a Daniel Jones thing when Philip Rivers came in and was, you know, throwing balls straight up in
33:42the air so Alec Pierce could play 500 under him.
33:45He was getting them. So I like that from Alec Pierce.
33:49But Alec Pierce also had an ankle issue that he had to have a procedure for in April with a three month recovery period.
33:56So we're not even sure he's going to be back for camp.
34:00We don't know what's going on with Daniel Jones.
34:03We don't know if Keenan Allen is getting added either.
34:06So I think this is another death by a thousand cuts here.
34:09And I think Alec Pierce is being a little bit overrated right now because we see him as a number one and
34:16he'd easily not be a number one, at least in receptions.
34:20Maybe he still is in yards, but it could be Warren.
34:23It could be downs. And if they sign Keenan Allen, he's going to really throw a wrench into this whole deal for the Colts.
34:30So, yeah, I'm I think right now, because we don't know who they're going to sign and what his injury is like,
34:37I think drafting him is just a bit risky for me.
34:41And that's why I consider him a landmine. Fitzy, some people would argue that a signing of Keenan Allen is actually good
34:47for Alec Pierce because it would take some attention off of him from the defensive standpoint, because you have to worry about
34:54Keenan Allen a little bit more and Tyler Warren a little bit more.
34:58Do you see it that way or do you see it at Bogwin's way?
35:02I think it would cut into his target share.
35:05And that's what I care about the most. So, yeah, I wasn't excited about him resigning with the Colts until they traded
35:12Michael Pittman what, like hours later the next day?
35:15I can't remember. It was really soon after. It was very close.
35:18Yeah. So I just the only pushback I would give you Boggs is that I trust Shane Steichen as a play caller.
35:25And I trust that he has some sort of plan for Pierce to have him run sort of a more complete route tree.
35:32Like not, we know he's still going to be a vertical guy by and large.
35:37But I do think he could be sort of a knockoff version of Jordy Nelson for the Colts.
35:42And like Jordy Nelson was always the go-to for Aaron Rodgers when he was around.
35:47So I'm optimistic that this helps Pierce. I'm kind of OK with him and his price.
35:52But the status of his ankle, like that's the big concern for sure.
35:56All right. Let's move on to two more players here.
35:59Pat, let's go back to a running back here.
36:02RJ Harvey, who, you know, it's funny because on a show just recently, Debro was talking about, hey, the finish of RJ Harvey when J.K.
36:10Dobbins was out, all the touchdowns he had. But you then pointed back about all the metrics not being great despite the
36:16touchdowns and the touchdowns kind of propping up. So that fantasy value and now we have Jonah Coleman in that mix as well.
36:23It's more of an insurance policy. So I want to say if I'm just going to say when J.K.
36:29Dobbins gets hurt, because I think that's just probably a better scenario.
36:33Jonah Coleman still around to eat into that workload, too.
36:36So why is RJ Harvey for you another guy that is just kind of a pass right now in terms of landmines?
36:43Because of the risk of attrition, that he just does not get used enough for you to ever want to start RJ Harvey in fantasy.
36:51And yet he's going 87th overall. He's got a top 180 piece.
36:54So there is some opportunity cost here because there are good players around the time Harvey is coming off the board.
37:01And after Dobbins got hurt last year, Harvey averaged, and these aren't exactly advanced metrics, but 3.3 yards per carry after the
37:07Dobbins injury running behind a really good offensive line in Denver.
37:11He was just flat out bad as a runner.
37:14And I know there are going to be people in the comments who think it's crazy to slam a guy who had 12 touchdowns as a rookie.
37:22But ask a Denver Broncos fan what they thought of RJ Harvey as a runner after J.K.
37:27Dobbins went down. I would be very surprised if you got a positive review.
37:31And the Broncos just had no running game late in the season or in the playoffs.
37:36And Dobbins is back. And maybe he doesn't last, but what if he does?
37:41If Dobbins makes it through the whole season, RJ Harvey is not going to give you enough touches to return a profit on an 87th overall draft pick.
37:49And Joe, you pointed it out, the Broncos drafted Jonah Coleman in the fourth round.
37:54That's not an insignificant investment. Dobbins figures to get most of the early down carries as long as he's available and the goal line carries.
38:02And Coleman's a capable pass catcher and a really good pass blocker.
38:05So Harvey might not get all the passing down work either.
38:09I just... Plus, Sean Payton's always been a committee guy going back to New Orleans when it was two and often three guys chipping in.
38:16So it's just hard to see Harvey. The days of Mark Ingram and Alvin Kamara and...
38:21Pierre Thomas and... Pierre Thomas and... Pierre Thomas. Those guys were good.
38:25Reggie Bush. True. At least those guys were good.
38:28Boggs, I look at these running backs... Okay. Back to you, Pat.
38:31No. I know. No, no, no, no, no, no.
38:34Wait, wait, wait. I want to ask you... There was a targeted question I did have in the chamber here.
38:40So let me unload on you. So my point with the Denver Broncos backfield is one where whenever there's a backfield that
38:47I'm unsure about, I like to go with the cheapest guy.
38:51And Jonah Coleman is the 50-something running back going off the board.
38:54I think at some point he does get some play in that offense due to injuries or just due to the investment they made in him.
39:02And to Fitzy's point, it does seem like you can make a strong argument for aggression with RJ Harvey at the same time.
39:09Coleman is a guy that if I have the patience and the depth on a bench to just stash him, I kind
39:16of want to do that and look for other ways to attack the running back position I feel better about early on.
39:23Make an investment on what I can control. Leave that middle to everybody else to fight over and then take some shots later on.
39:30What's your approach here with the Denver backfield? Joe, have you ever gone the long way to not have to deal with the traffic?
39:38Have you ever done that? All the time. All the time.
39:41Yeah. That's what I'm doing with the Broncos running back situation this year is, you know what?
39:46Let me pass on all of them. Give me Rashad White.
39:50You know what I mean? Like, I know the ceiling.
39:53That's fine, too. Give me a whole other team.
39:56Rashad White as the rest of them. But I know he's going to catch a lot of passes for that team.
40:02They have no second wide receiver. He's by far the best receiving back on that team.
40:07It's not even close. So give me a guy with a high floor rather than this.
40:12If I do take one of them, you're right, Joe.
40:15It is Coleman because he's cheapest. So does RJ Harvey have a tremendous upside?
40:19Yeah, he does. So does J.K. Dobbins. So does Jonah Coleman.
40:23I think they all have the same upside. So if all of those are the same, like you said, Joe, give me
40:29the cheapest guy out of this group. So it's going to be Coleman for me.
40:34But in most scenarios, I'm going the back way to avoid the traffic and just give me Rashad White.
40:40Don't give me the rest of this nonsense. Pass.
40:43All right. It's very difficult because every year in fantasy we see somebody have a performance that comes out of nowhere, wins you leagues.
40:50Michael Wilson was that guy last year. And Jacoby Percet's coming back.
40:54Michael Wilson's coming back. But you'll still have Marvin Harrison there.
40:57You've still got Trey McBride there. Now you've got Jeremiah Love in the mix along with Algiers.
41:02So you've got a lot of other pieces here.
41:05Or also have a new coach. So I feel like people will look maybe a little bit too much at that run
41:12of Michael Wilson and be tempted to make an investment.
41:15Boggs, I understand that sometimes the right answer is the ones just staring us in the face.
41:20But also you just can't copy and paste one year's productivity into the next, especially with a guy like Wilson, who's kind
41:27of been a journeyman guy, you know, just hasn't really done anything close like this before.
41:32It was a fantastic run, but it's really difficult to justify reinvesting at the price it is right now.
41:38I can tell you on ITL this week or a couple weeks ago, Welsh and I got into it about Michael Wilson.
41:45I woke up this morning knowing I'm going to talk down on Michael Wilson and I see our boy Seth Thewald with
41:51the, you know, calling Michael Wilson a bit of a sleeper on socials today.
41:56So I know this is not a popular take and I understand that.
42:00But I think all the stuff that Joe just said is correct, right?
42:04New offensive system, a quarterback that's holding out. Cardinals added Love and Algier to the backfield.
42:09And even without those additions to the backfield, do we really think the Cardinals are going to pass over 600 times again?
42:15That can't be the goal. Not when your quarterback is Jacoby Brissett, right?
42:19And Fitz has talked about he's not Trey McBride a lot in this offseason because there's no way Trey McBride can get
42:26the volume that he did last year. Can he still score a ton of touchdowns and lead the Cardinals?
42:32Yeah. Can he still be tight end one? Sure.
42:35But I think expecting last year's numbers is eye rolling.
42:38He's not going to set the record for tight end receptions again, I wouldn't think.
42:42I don't think they're going to pass that much.
42:45I think the goal is to run the ball way more.
42:49That's why you add those backs. It's why you restructure Connor instead of cutting him, right?
42:53We want to run the ball way, way more.
42:56So there's volume down for everyone, including Michael Wilson.
42:59And with a new offensive play caller coming in, are we going to see more balls going towards Harrison?
43:05Are we going to see more going to Wilson?
43:08And remember, their third wide receiver was Greg Dortch last year was hurt and terrible.
43:12The guy who was fourth in targets was Michael Carter.
43:15They added Kendrick Bourne to this team. A way better option as your third wide receiver as well.
43:21So I think there's too many mouths to feed.
43:24The volume goes down. And I think we're looking at this, the pecking order incorrectly, because I think a lot of people saw Michael Wilson number two.
43:32Maybe. Is it within the realm of possibility? Sure.
43:35It is. But his ECR is 38. I have him at 48.
43:38And his projections have him at 44. So he's kind of right there in the middle of projections.
43:44I think we're overvaluing Michael Wilson just a little bit.
43:47I want him as a wide receiver four. If I'm drafting him, not a wide receiver three.
43:52Fitzy, who is the best Cardinals investment if you had to pick one in terms of return?
43:58Trey McBride's a very early one, but a lot of people seem hesitant to being the first tight end off the board this year.
44:05Bogman just gave you the Michael Wilson spiel. Marvin Harrison has been a perennial letdown.
44:10Jeremiah Love? Is that the answer? Yep. I'm just curious.
44:13Is that it? That's my answer. Okay. That's my – like, I don't think I'm going to be drafting any of the
44:19pass catchers because I'm behind consensus on all of them.
44:22Just – like, I don't want to go into the Cardinals passing game after they led the league in pass attempts and
44:29just drafted a running back third overall. Interesting. What do you think about that, Boggs?
44:34Do you agree with that sentiment that love is the best investment of all of them?
44:39I mean, I just knocked love. You know what I mean?
44:42But this is contextual now. This is Cardinals by their ADP.
44:46It's probably still McBride. Like, McBride is still going to – I think he's still going to be good.
44:51See, McBride's my answer too, and I think we're getting this weird thing.
44:55Like, I'm the big Colson Love and Hype train, but, like, I don't want to drive him over with that train either.
45:02Right? Like, what does he fall to? Third? Like, you know.
45:06It seems like the consensus on McBride is getting a little smarter.
45:09It seems like early in the offseason he was being ranked sort of as an early second-round pick, and now it seems
45:16like he's going mid to late second-round, which is much more reasonable.
45:20He's still going to catch a lot of balls.
45:22He's just not going to catch 120-some balls this year.
45:26Right. Yeah. But he could. He's still going to pay off.
45:29But he could. I'm just saying it's definitely – It's on paper.
45:33We've seen it. Harrison's, I guess, had perennial disappointments.
45:35Could certainly put that back into play this year.
45:38There's no doubt about that. All right. We're going to talk about – It's probably going to be Harrison.
45:44Yeah, right. You make me look like a – Tyler Algier, 12 touchdowns, ladies and gentlemen.
45:49We're going to talk about some guys that are fall sleepers in just a second, like players that, you know, kind of
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47:32All right. Lastly here, let's kind of dispense some falsehoods about two players that are being discussed as sleepers that we don't want to touch.
47:40Pat, why don't you go first here? Give me a guy that's a quote-unquote sleeper that you're just not interested in.
47:46It's Jake Ferguson. I don't know that he's necessarily being viewed as a sleeper, but I think his ECR is just way too high.
47:54It's tight end 12, 116th overall. If either CeeDee Lamb or George Pickens gets hurt in August before your fantasy draft, fine.
48:00Draft Jake Ferguson. I'm cool with that ADP or ECR.
48:04If those guys are healthy, I mean, Lamb and Pickens combined for 250 targets and 168 catches last season.
48:09And that was with CeeDee Lamb missing three games.
48:12And Jake Ferguson had eight touchdowns. Four of them came in the three games that CeeDee Lamb missed.
48:18And then he had four touchdowns in the other 14 games.
48:21He averaged 7.3 yards per catch, a career low.
48:24He was tight end eight in half point PPR fantasy scoring, but tight end 13 in points per game among tight ends who played at least five games.
48:32So I guess my main point here is that if Lamb and Pickens are healthy early on, Jake Ferguson is probably going
48:39to put up stat lines that will have you getting badly outscored at the tight end position now that there are a
48:46lot of quality tight ends out there. And Mark Andrews, Isaiah Likely, and Dallas Goddard are all lower in ECR than Ferguson.
48:53I think any of those guys would be much better draft picks than Ferguson if you're spending down at tight end.
48:59And look, I hate ripping on a Wisconsin Badger, but it's just there's not going to be enough work for Ferguson with Lamb and Pickens around.
49:07True, true. Look, it's a very heavy upper echelon tight end group.
49:11I mean, you can go, I think, eight deep all the way to Pitts and Laporta and still do very well.
49:17And once you get past that, if you're going to take a flyer like Kittle and Ferguson, I'll take the flyer on Kittle.
49:24I know a lot of people like Isaiah Likely.
49:27I think, you know, Brenton Strange in deeper leagues is also an interesting name, too, that I think could pop this year.
49:34Boggs, who is a guy that's being heralded late as a sleeper that you're like, are you drunk?
49:40Why are you doing this? Did you see me clutch my pearls?
49:43I did. When Fitzy said Jake Ferguson, because I'm a coward and I couldn't do the player I wanted because he went
49:50to Texas, I'm going to say Charbonnet in this spot.
49:53So look, Charbonnet, again, a guy going into the year coming off a torn ACL when they added a first round running back in Jadarian Price.
50:01And I know Jadarian Price's cost is moving down right now because George Helani has been talked up a lot.
50:07They signed Emmanuel Wilson, who will get some run as well.
50:11And they have talked about it being a three headed backfield.
50:14It ain't going to be a three headed backfield.
50:17It's going to be Jadarian Price's backfield because he's way better than Helani or Wilson once we get to it.
50:23Right. But in the meantime, because it's being talked about as a three headed monster and all this, people say, oh, well,
50:30Charbonnet is still there and he's going to come back maybe in mid-October.
50:34This dude ain't coming back until Thanksgiving, in my opinion.
50:37I don't think the Seahawks are really going to need him that much.
50:41He's a free agent after this year as well.
50:44So he's not going to rush himself because he's going to want to make money.
50:48And I think if they are pushing towards the playoffs, they're going to ease him back in.
50:53So I'm just I have no interest in grabbing Charbonnet and stashing him on my injured list.
50:59And the the fewer IR spots that I have, the less interested, the fewer bench spots I have, the less interested I am in Charbonnet.
51:06It works in reverse as well. The more IR spots and bench spots I have, the more interested I am in adding Charbonnet.
51:13And speaking of 12 touchdowns, that's what he scored last year.
51:17Right. He made his money off of scoring touchdowns.
51:20And is he going to be that goal line back again?
51:23Right. Coming off a major injury and having a guy that's a rookie with not a lot of touches in his collegiate
51:30career with nice, fresh legs like Jadarian Price. I might just make him the goal line back.
51:35So I think there's enough there for me to just question rostering Zach Charbonnet at all for 2026.
51:41Fitzy, let's jump ahead to the future. You look at your rosters.
51:44How many Seahawks running backs do you have? And if so, how many shares of it is which guy has the most appearances on the Fitzy roster?
51:53I'm pretty out. But the guy I'm probably most likely to draft is Charbonnet if I have an IR spot.
51:59I just I don't think it's a slam dunk by any chance that that Jadarian Price is better than a healthy Charbonnet.
52:05In fact, I'd probably bet if they're both healthy, I would rather have Charbonnet and that he's going to be the main guy.
52:13I agree with that. I just don't know that Charbonnet is going to be healthy enough to push anybody by the end of this year.
52:20Torn ACL for running back is a big deal.
52:23I feel like this has Chris Carson, Rashad Penny written all over it again.
52:27Oh, God. Oh, that's a terrible memory. And Charbonnet is the Chris Carson.
52:31You know, that's that's I'm getting the vibe that this is another Carson Penny situation.
52:36Well, that was a horrible walk down Amnesia Lane, Fitzy.
52:39Thanks so much for taking us there. And look, this is a very useful exercise to look at a lot of these
52:46players that we have real concern with. Some are very buzzy.
52:49Look, we've argued to some of us don't agree here.
52:52But what do you think? Which players on the list that we've talked about today?
52:57Are you avoiding at all costs? Or maybe you've got one we didn't discuss.
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