0:13Yo, what is going on? It is Fantasy Football Daily. I'm Graham Barfield joined today by my guy, Mr. CEO Scott Barrett. He was just saying behind the
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0:34of knowledge about the top projected players in fantasy football this season, going through our projections, debating each position. Is there a legitimate
0:44contender to Josh Allen? We'll debate through Jir Gibbs versus Von Robinson and talk through Puka Nua and Jamar Chase. Scott and I talked a little bit
0:52yesterday. We viewed that one legitimately as a coin flip. Excited to get into the projections and everything today with Scott. I need to say off the
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4:14Legitimately mind-blowing. But Scott, let's get started, man. We'll get started with each position's top rejected player, going through each position, debating the top projected
4:23player at fantasy points. The first one really isn't much of a debate. I think we're actually going to have a legitimate debate between running backs,
4:30receivers, and tight ends. We'll get started with Josh Allen. Josh Allen is just by far and away our top projected quarterback. And it makes sense, Scott.
4:38I mean, the dude has finished as the QB1 by fantasy points per game in four out of his last five seasons. Just
4:44remarkable consistency. He had one year where he did tie Jaylen Herz as the QB1, but he's basically been the runaway QB1
4:51in fantasy for, you know, five straight years essentially. Uh, this offense, this Bills offense has just been like a metronome of scoring, Scott. It's just
4:59every year they're pumping out touchdowns in an incredibly high rate.
5:02Uh, this past season, you know, Bills were up at 28.3 points per game, nearly led the league. The Rams and the Lions
5:10were just slightly ahead of the Bills in points per game this year. uh Seahawks right there as well. But Bills are
5:15implied for second most points per game, man. Josh Allen has just been an absolute touchdown machine. I went back and looked at this over the last 5
5:23years. He ranks second passing touchdowns and fourth in rushing touchdowns. He's just scored a ton uh over the last couple of years, man. I I
5:30don't really think there's any debate that Josh Allen is a QB1. How close is like Lamar Jackson and the the rest of
5:36the kind of secondary tier to to Allen for you?
5:40Yeah, I I mean I don't think it's that close. You can make a devil's advocate argument that Lamar Jackson is the the
5:49better value going what is it, you know, round and a half later. Um because in 2024, Lamar Jackson was Fantasy's QB1.
5:59He averaged three fantasy points per game, more than Josh Allen, who ranked second. And then through the first three weeks last year, Lamar Jackson was
6:07continuing that pace. He looked like head and shoulders above everyone else.
6:11And then he picked up that lower body injury and he turned into Aaron Rodgers from a a fantasy perspective, from a
6:18real life NFL perspective. And like that's that's what I keep saying is it's like you take away um Cyclops, you know, laser vision and he's
6:30just a guy, right? So, if you take away Lamar's hyper mobility, you give him a lower body injury, uh defenses, you
6:38know, they don't have to to to play him, you know, as soft as they typically play him because they're so worried about the
6:45threat uh through his legs. And so, you can make an argument that, hey, like if if everyone's fully healthy, this is
6:52really close. Um, but no, I I I do have Josh Allen one. like you said, he's finished first or second at the position
6:59in fantasy points per game in six straight seasons. Over that span, he has 330 more fantasy points than anyone else. Uh he he plays through any injury
7:10and he, you know, his efficiency and productive uhness don't really suffer like it does for Lamar Jackson. Uh no Shawn McDermad, it's it's it's Joe
7:20Brady, the OC, now the head coach. Uh, so maybe they go even more pass heavy uh than we've become accustomed. Maybe that
7:27was a a Shawn McDermott thing, wanting to go as runheavy and slow pace as they have. Um, just like the consistency is
7:34remarkable. The medium projections remarkable and the ceiling is is unreal.
7:40I I said uh he's he's one of the best underdog picks right now in baseball. Um the stack is really cheap, but more than
7:49anything, he just has impossible to win without upside. Uh he has the most fantasy points of any quarterback in any game all time. And then I think he
8:00scored like 58, something like that. And then the next week I think he scored like 41. It's like imagine that happens
8:07in the the playoff rounds of the underdog format. Like you're not going to be able to advance your teams without a Josh Allen. So um yeah, add it all up.
8:16I think easy QB1. I think it's kind of worth the premium ahead of Lamar Jackson, ahead of everyone else. But, um, it's also like, you know, me, my
8:26late round Exodia quarterback has smashed in like eight straight seasons.
8:30Drake May last year, Exodia quarterback was the QB2 behind Josh Allen. So, when you can hit on when it's like really
8:38easy to hit on these late round gems at the quarterback position, I'm always going to take that approach in my own
8:44drafts.
8:45This is in particular a great year for late round quarterback. I've been saying that all summer. I think it's an awesome
8:50year for late round quarterback. We It's really deep. Big long flat tier after like QB7 or QB8. Really, it's like after
8:57Herbert and Lawrence and and Dak.
8:59There's just like a really nice big long flat tier. But yeah, I don't think it's particularly close either. Producer Trey had the projections up on the screen
9:05just a moment ago. We have Josh Allen projected for 23.7 more fantasy points this season than Lamar Jackson. Keep in mind when we're talking through all
9:14these projections that Chris does, these are median projections. So, it's it's definitely waiting floor and ceiling, but to give Josh Allen a a 23-point head
9:22start over QB2 and QB3, Lamar Jackson, Drake May. Yeah, I mean, it's it's just a slam dunk. We did have a question in
9:29chat I saw pop up, which was a pretty good one, uh, from NPG 2424. He asks, "Any chance you'd take Gibbs over Josh
9:38Allen 101 in Superflex?" I don't think I can do it just because Allen absolutely outp projects uh every quarterback by such a wide margin like I just said and
9:48he's also got like legitimate 450 fantasy point type upside. Allen has scored over 400 fantasy points three times in his career. He's gone over 370
9:58six times, six straight times. It's just uh absolute dominance at the position.
10:03Um Scott, in Superflex, I know you don't do a ton of Superflex leagues and content, but Allen's just like the slam
10:09duck 101, right?
10:11Allen is >> Yeah.
10:13>> No, no, I don't think so. I So, yeah.
10:16So, in Superflex, quarterback matters more than running back. And it's like you could do some simple back of the napkin math, there's 24 you you ideally
10:27you're starting your league starting 24 quarterbacks every week. Um, but there's only in a 12 team league, but there's only 32 starting quarterbacks available.
10:38Um, and so due to positional scarcity, it becomes the most important. But again, it ties back to what I was saying
10:43about the late round quarterbacks hitting at an inordinately high rate and just, you know, catapulting themselves into that mid QB1 range because you have
10:55that. Whereas with the running back position, like who are the league winning running backs every year? it's always the guys going rounds one through
11:01two and it's really hard to find anyone beyond that who's, you know, majorly impactful. Um, so because of that, uh, I
11:12I am still taking a a late round quarterback approach in my superflex drafts and I' I'd gravitate more towards the running backs.
11:20>> Interesting. Yeah. I mean, I I still think Allen's the 101 because I mean, this season in particular in Superflex, we still have like Devon Achan, Saquon
11:28Barkley, Ashen Genty, all going at like the two three turn just because you're like you're saying, you know, quarterbacks do get pushed up. I think
11:34there's there's a way that you can structurally get a team where it's like Josh Allen's like you're clear 101 and then you come back, you get a really
11:41good running back there in the second round of the two-3 turn you feel good about. I I will say Jir Gibbs does
11:46straight up like out project Josh Allen in our in our projections this year by about 10 12 fantasy points. So Scott,
11:54maybe you're right. I mean, maybe it is a little closer than I think. I guess I'm just looking at this as like Josh
11:58Allen's like the clear QB1. And then I'm I'm with you. Typically, I take like a late round approach as well in in
12:04reddraft and in superflex and that extends into this year. I love Brock Pury and J Jared Goff's prices in Superflex leagues uh this season. I
12:12think they project incredibly well and they're they're a little too cheap there in that like second and third round pocket. But I I I think just this year
12:18the way drafts are setting up in terms of ADP, you get Josh Allen at the 101, you're going to feel pretty good about
12:24the running backs that are coming back to you. Yeah, maybe sure it's not Jamir Gibbs and Bejian Robinson level of projection, but I mean Devon Achan,
12:31Saquon Barkley in particular, Ashen Jenty, all all three of those running backs are still top 25 players in our projections overall. So, I'm I'm still
12:39very very into Josh Allen at the 101.
12:42Let's talk through Jir Gibbs and Bjun Robinson though. Scott, how close is it for you? I think maybe the one thing I
12:48keep coming back to is like, yeah, Bjun Robinson's workload this season, bro. It might be like absolutely crazy. No, Tyler Algier this season to steal, you
12:56know, inside five carries. Plus, we've got Tua starting at quarterback most likely. And Tua has been one of the most, you know, target heavy
13:04quarterbacks to running backs in his career. He's Jake Triby just put out an excellent article at Fantasy Points going through target tendencies and Tua
13:12has always been one of the most voluminous quarterbacks to his running backs. That said, bro, the Lions just significantly outpro the Falcons this
13:22year. Lions are second implied points per game. They're our top projected team by just total fantasy points, quarterback, running back, receiver, and
13:29tight end. Falcons are below average, 23rd in total projected fantasy points and they're 25th in implied points per game. So Scott, I I'll pose the question
13:38to you. Jir Gibbs, I I feel pretty strongly as the 101, but how close is it for you?
13:44>> Um, so I have them in this in the same tier. Like it's it's 101 to me is Gibbs, then it's 102 Bejian, and then it feels
13:52like a really big falloff between, you know, those two guys and the next one.
13:56Like I I've been saying it's it's kind of reminiscent of you know like the first year that I ever played fantasy
14:03football where it's like Leenian Tomlinson goes 101 and then it was Priest Holmes or Shawn Alexander 102.
14:09And it's like those are the only two teams who like have a chance at winning the championship. Like though Leinian Tomlinson was so dominant he broke snake
14:18style drafts. Like you you had to just move to auction or you know your 101 was just so overpowered. Um, and I think
14:27they have that in their range of outcomes. Like that's how strongly I feel about the 101 and the 102.
14:33>> Bejian Robinson, you know, to make the case for him. Uh, he hit 30 fantasy points in five of his last eight games
14:40last year. He had nearly 2,300 yards from scrimmage. It was the 12th most in NFL history. Um, he he scored more
14:49receiving fantasy points per game than Lad Maconi and DK Metaf and Alec Pierce.
14:54and then only four running backs had more rushing fantasy points. There is a a real scenario where you you see it on
15:01the screen right here. Touago Valoa targets running backs at the highest rate in the league. There is a real scenario where he could have a he could
15:10have a 1,00 1000 season. You know, Christian McCaffrey was the last one to do it. He could have a Christian McCaffrey s season. But yeah, obviously
15:18the big concern here is like we're not high on the Falcons and you know, we don't really trust to uh to stay
15:24healthy. We don't really think he is a good quarterback and Michael Penn we don't think is a good and so uh also I I
15:30thought he I thought Zack Robinson did some some really good things to you know for for Bejon to benefit from the scheme
15:38particularly on the ground that he had that you know the new play caller maybe that's more of a question mark. Um, but
15:44Jamir Gibbs, yeah, it's it's I don't remember the last time a 101 pick felt this easy to me. Uh, you hear you hear
15:53um uh Dan Campbell talk about Gibbs as the bellcow now where you lose David Montgomery. Uh, I think that, you know,
16:05really goes a long way and certainly by the data we've seen that in games without David Montgomery over his career, he averages 27.4
16:15fantasy points per game. Um, which is the most in NFL history. Uh, it's about five more than the next closest, Christian McCaffrey. It's there
16:27on the screen right now. And so, yeah, it's just, you're talking about an unreal ceiling here. Um, and uh, and yeah, I I feel good about it.
16:37>> Gibbs is one of the most high confidence 101s we've had. I I'm with you on that.
16:41And and I like how you kind of relate it back to the the heydays of running backs with Leanny and Tomlinson and Priest
16:47Holmes. So maybe maybe I need to adjust my Superflex rankings a little bit and give uh more thought to Gibbs and Bejon
16:53at 101. Scott, you're making some compelling arguments, but uh, bro, Jir Gibbs is going to the moon this season.
17:00Uh the Lions have the easiest strength of schedule this season going into the year by the Vegas win totals. Scott Jir
17:06Gibbs has put up like ridiculous numbers in wins compared to losses. It's it's like only Christian McAffrey really can compete with in in terms of like his
17:15level of output over 29 PPR points per game in wins last season for Jir Gibbs.
17:21And yeah, I mean it's like he's been splitting carries inside the 10 with David Montgomery for how long now? Yeah.
17:28And the last three seasons, bro, the Lions have 66 expected rushing touchdowns. Last three seasons, 66. The next closest team is the Ravens with 54.
17:38The touchdown upside with Gibbs is just ridiculous. I mean, he has legitimate 20 touchdown upside if he plays 16 or 17
17:45games this year. One thing I looked at, too, is the the Lions remained very, very runheavy inside the 10 last season
17:51as well. They had a negative 7% pass rate under expectation inside the 10.
17:56That's right in line with their last season with Ben Johnson, too. They're at negative9% in terms of their their PO.
18:01So, Gibbs just has like scorched earth upside. Bejian Robinson does, too. I just have legitimately huge concerns with Tua and Penn compared to Jared
18:11Goth. I mean, Goth has been super underrated, dude. The last two seasons, Goth is third in EPA per dropback. Only Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen have been
18:20better, and both those guys obviously just have like elite rushing upside. So, it's not just like this offense. It's the quarterback. It's the play caller.
18:27Uh I I just have legitimate concerns about, you know, the Falcons and their ability to get inside the 10. But I
18:33mean, dude, the the volume with Bejon, I think he leads all players in expected fantasy points this year. Like it would
18:38not Scott, would it surprise you at all if he's like two or three points clear of like all players in XFP this year?
18:44>> No. No, it wouldn't. But but again like the the difference in the offense really like if you want to break the ties I
18:52think I think the first thing you would say is just like okay this is a top five offense Falcons are probably below
18:58average and just you know way more opportunity for points and then the second thing is shout out to D bro good
19:06friend of the show like really value his opinion we were we were debating this and he was he pointed out to me what
19:13concerns him is you know looking at the splits last year. Jir Gibbs numbers with without Sam Laaporta, like he was so
19:20much more involved in the passing game when Leaporta was out. And like my counter to that was like I don't I don't
19:26care. Again, look at the splits with without David Montgomery. Like if Montgomery was still on this team, where would Gibbs be going? He'd be going 102.
19:35And now he's off the team. And there like he Gibbs is top three in fantasy points per game every year with a 55%
19:44snapshare. and now it's going to 75%.
19:46And so it should just be Yeah, I think I think this is really like for a player this talented, you know,
19:54Leini and Tomlinsonesque Christian McAffreyesque outcomes are are almost the median projection here.
20:01>> Yeah, it is. It is basically the the median projection for us here at Fantasy Points. Uh, I I hear the concerns about
20:08Leaporta maybe, but even like a dude, a one or two percent reduction in the target share, it doesn't make up for the
20:14fact that Gibbs is going to have significantly more touchdown upside this season than he's had in prior years. We didn't have this on the show sheet,
20:21Scott, but I think a healthy Christian McCaffrey does push these two guys. Uh, the the one push back there is McAffrey
20:28has lost a step. Gibbs, Bejon, just both significantly more explosive runners.
20:33But I mean, McAffrey, particularly in PPR leagues where a target is two and a half times worth more two and a half
20:39times than a than a carry in PPR, man, like it's it's still pretty clo like it's it's Bejian and Gibbs for sure. But
20:45I think McAffrey, like if he stays healthy for a full season, uh I I don't know if I see him finishing as the RB1
20:51cuz I think both these players are just better and have more explosive upside.
20:54But McAffrey, the volume has just been so good. like it's been, dude, he's been so good volume-wise for fantasy, especially in the pass game. McAffrey
21:04has four 100 reception seasons in his career. Over the last 20 years, only 40 players have done that at running back.
21:10He's got four of them. Uh I just want to give a quick shout out to McCaffrey, too. I do think uh we could look up and
21:16see him be very close to the RB2 in scoring this season.
21:21>> Yeah.
21:22>> All right, we'll switch over to receiver. Puka, like I was saying, Puka versus Jamar Chase is legitimately a coin flip. It's It's a legitimately fun
21:29coin flip. Scott, I I think last year, you know, the Rams were one of the teams that you just had to have. This is like
21:35been a a running theme in fantasy is you want the best players from the best offenses, and it's especially true now
21:41with with some of the rule changes in the NFL and just kind of like the shift towards, you know, slower pace, lower
21:46volume, more runheavy. Rams were just dominated in terms of advance rates last season into the playoffs in fantasy football. Pu Puka Nakua just went
21:55absolutely nuclear. Uh [snorts] the the one big difference that I think we have to talk about with these two offenses this year, it's it's kind of like a
22:04twofold thing. Stafford had a 7.7% touchdown rate last season. That is bound to fall back closer to his base rate with the Rams, which is like 5 1/2
22:136%. And even with this baked in, Stafford came out of projections pretty favorably. QB13 and so did Puka. Puka outp projects Jamar Chase this season.
22:23That being said, a healthy Joe Burrow, dude, it's been the most pass like efficient pass offense in football with Joe Burrow on the field since 2022. The
22:31Bengals lead all teams in EPA per dropback when Burrow is on the field.
22:35And it's by a significant margin. It's by a few ticks. So, it's really close, man. Scott, let's talk through Jamar Chase versus Puka. In your opinion, who
22:44are you taking at 101 or you, you know, you just splitting that difference whenever you get the 103? Uh, is there a
22:50clear wide receiver one for you?
22:52>> Yeah, I'm going to have Puka in my rankings. And, you know, I I don't like I I make fun of the diversification
22:58people. Um, but this really to me looks like a spot to diversify where I I would have very close to 5050. Um, and so I
23:06did a live stream with the the folks over at FFPC and they were sort of flabbergasted when I said I might be taking Puka 103
23:17instead of Jamar Chase because on their format Puka goes like 106. Jamar Chase always goes 103. There's like very
23:25little people never do that. Uh, and they were like they were like how could that be the case? And I was like, well,
23:34um, Jamar Chase has outscored the Rams wide receiver one in only one out of the last five seasons. You can see that on
23:43the screen there. And they're like, "Oh, I didn't I didn't know that. Well, well, what about Puka's injury risk?" And I'm
23:51like, "Well, what about Joe Burrow's injury risk? The guy the guy is never healthy." And and so they were like, "Ah, yeah, maybe you're right. May maybe
24:00it should should be a lot closer than it is. Um and yeah, so our projections have have uh Puka, I have Puka, but again, it
24:09is it is really close. Uh another point in Puka's favor is uh he's led the league in yards per route run in
24:16back-to-back seasons. He averages 3.76 yards per route run. That's a full yard per route more than the next closest player. That's 1.38
24:27between him and Chase, which is the same difference as between Jamar Chase and the wide receiver 117, David Moore. Uh the guy is really good. Yeah. And so,
24:38you know, that's a concern is the Joe Burrow injury. The concern is, you know, maybe the the Bengals don't lead the
24:43league in dropbacks like they do every year. Maybe um I don't know. T Higgins is really good, too. Uh why it's it's a
24:525050 though or very close to it is is one thing I I've been talking about that no one else has talked about and so
24:59maybe it's just a nitpicky concern I I shouldn't be too worried about but up until the Devonte Adams injury Puka
25:09Nua was like never on the field in those 13 personnel snaps and then Adams goes down and Puka gets those snaps um
25:19primarily only really care about this inside the red zone, but it makes sense. And I've talked to film experts, uh, Ryan
25:27Pagnetti, Brett Wayfield, Max Tusano, who all say, "No, no, no. It makes sense for Puka not to be on the field and for
25:34Devonte Adams to be on the field in those red zone snaps when they're in 13 personnel, which were so effective for
25:42the Rams last year because he's the X, because he's the red zone ascod. his separation win rate inside the red zone
25:51last year was 2x that of any other player. And so if that's a real thing that carries over and it kind of makes
25:59sense that it would, I think it it it somewhat limits Puka's touchdown upside relative to a Jamar Chase. But again, it's it's really close to me and it does
26:09feel a little nitpicky.
26:12>> Can I make the bull case for Jamar Chase?
26:14>> Go ahead.
26:15>> Let me make the bull case for Jamar Chase. Mark Rebel is going to like that.
26:18>> Um, over the last two seasons, Chase is averaging 22.6 PPR points per game per Burough start. So, yeah, uh, Burrow does
26:29have injury risk for sure, but that 22.6 PPR points per game is a full point better than Nua. And the pass offense in
26:37terms of the Bengals volume has also been significantly better. Burrow leads all passers in in attempts. 37.7 over the last four seasons. Stafford's
26:47best two seasons have been like 35 pass attempts. He just had one last year and the first year he was with the Rams. So,
26:54I'm looking at this from like a volume perspective. I'm looking at this from a Burrow is just incredible perspective, bro. He's first and first in catchable
27:02throw rate over the last two seasons when he's been on the field. He's been incredible. And I think there's there's also like a touchdown upside debate that
27:09we could maybe quibble with with Puka.
27:12Last season in their 12, excuse me, 13 full games together. Bro, Devonte Adams had 24 end zone targets. Puka had three.
27:20>> Like that's a leg that's a legitimate that's a legitimate thing. Like Puka maybe does not have the touchdown upside that Jamar Chase has, especially if
27:28those trends continue. I do think we'll see those two things kind of narrow this season. And I think Puka, like there's
27:33just no way Adams has that level of end zone involvement. Again, that's going that's part of the thing that's going to
27:38regress, like I said, with Stafford's touchdown rate. But that is a legitimate quibble I have with Puka is that he just
27:44does not have the touchdown upside in my opinion that Jamar Chase does.
27:48>> Yeah. Yeah. So, so that's again why it's a 5050 to me. And, and you know, to argue against your over the last two
27:54years with Joe Burrow, Chase's fantasy points per game is higher. To argue against that, I would just say, you know, Puka has what, seven games over
28:03that sample with a snap share below 55% because, you know, you'd get hurt in the second quarter and he would leave that
28:10game. But again, that's that's also not not really a feather in his cap. That's again, yeah, uh greater injury risk than
28:19Jamar Chase where even if Joe Burrow is injuryprone, he balled out with Joe Flacco last year. Joe Flacco is probably the best backup quarterback the Bengals
28:27have had in a long time. So, so yeah, again, it it feels very much 5050 to me.
28:33Um, and that's probably how I'll play it. Probably diversify. But if I'm only in one league and I have that pick, the
28:41103, 104, uh, gun to my head, I I'd take Puka.
28:46>> Yeah, gun to my head, I would take Chase. But I'm with I'm with you, Scott.
28:50If you have 103s this year, take five Puka shares. Take five Chase shares, and you're going to be sleeping like a baby.
28:56I will say the final point I wanted to make on this debate is the Rams defense is just significantly better. I think
29:02there's a chance by by EPA this is like one of the top three defenses now.
29:05They've added Miles Garrett. I think the Bengals are actually going to be a little better on defense. I think Dexter Lawrence is incredible up front, but
29:11they're still not good. The secondary is still pretty bad. They're they are couple years away. Uh DJ Turner is awesome. Maybe the most underrated
29:19corner in football, but they really they're they're a pretty bad secondary beyond DJ Turner. Uh this is this is a Bengals team that's going to give up a
29:26ton of points in a way that I don't I don't necessarily think the Rams are. I think the Rams, you know, certainly
29:30could be in a lot of shootouts this year just because their offense is going to put up points and force the other team
29:35to score. But yeah, the Bengals, man, they're still they're still a bottom tier defense in my opinion. Not in the top 20 right now in the NFL uh in terms
29:44of the defense. We'll switch over and we'll make this a Brock Bowers versus Trey McBride debate. And this this is another shout out to Chris Wet. Our
29:50projections are here at Fantasy Points.
29:52He had Trey McBride ahead of Brock Bowers in projections last season and that was a contrarian take. Bowers was the consensus tight end won and and that
30:00ended up being right. McBride had just an incredible season just hoovering up targets from Jacobe Brassette. Uh some of it fueled by garbage time but most of
30:09it fueled by Trey McBride just being freaking incredible. The guy rolls out of bed and gets a 25% target share.
30:16Scott, this year we have it flipped here at Fantasy Points. We have Brock Bowers ahead of Trey McBride. Let's talk through some of the decisions behind
30:24that projection. I think the main one this year is Bower's target competition is just significantly less than Trey McBride. And like I just said, McBride,
30:32dude, he is the engine of that Cardinals offense. Marvin Harrison, Michael Wilson are just significantly more target competition than no disrespect to the
30:41ascot Jaylen Naylor, but he and Jaylen Naylor and and Trey Trey Tucker, these guys just are not the level of competition that the Cardinals have. I
30:49also think that there's legitimate downside risk with the Cardinals this season. I know Brassette just got the $15 million bag, Scott, but they this
30:56team could tank at some point leading us to Carson Beck or, you know, Gardner Menchu by the middle of the year.
31:01Fernando Mendoza and Kurt Cousins are just a significantly higher floor of quarterbacks than the Cardinals. I'm all I'm all about Bowers this season. I
31:11think he's in terms of talent, he's one of the most, you know, talented players that we've had come into the NFL just in
31:17terms of his prospect profile. And then he's balled out in the NFL. In his first two years, only Rob Gronowski has
31:24averaged more PPR points per game among tight ends in their first two seasons than Bowowers. And Bowowers is legitimately close, like two or three
31:30ten of a point behind Gronk in points per game. So Scott, let's have the Bowowers versus McBride debate. How close is it this year? And where do you
31:37land on these two players?
31:40Um I I think it's fairly close honestly it's I mean that's what it looks like according to our projections. Uh love
31:48Bowers like really believe in the talent. U but to make the devil's advocate argument the lack of target competition is a flaw not a not a perk
31:57when it comes to Bowowers. According to Brett Whitefield, our our film expert, he's saying, you know, it's like really easy to shut down a tight end when he's
32:06your number one receiver than it is a wide receiver. You just you just put a quarterback on the guy and that's what
32:12teams are going to do. Brett's been saying like, oh, if they trade for a Chris Olive, Brock Bowers is going to
32:18break records. But, you know, with the supporting cast they have right now, this is actually not a great setup for him. Uh, and then Trey McBride just
32:26scored the third most fantasy points by any tight end in NFL history. Uh, his 18.6 fantasy points per game or he he
32:36had over a 100 fantasy points, more than the next closest tight end, which is just like the most insane cheat code
32:42there is. Uh, he did all this with uh Jacobe Brassette, who's like the tight end whisperer. As soon as Brassette was
32:50named the starter, Johnny Proctor and I on our DFS show were like, "We're playing Trey McBride DFS every single week." Uh because he's targeted tight
32:59ends at the highest rate in the league every year of his career dating back to college. Like college, like college quarterbacks don't even target tight
33:07ends. And he was leading the FBS in in tight end target rate. Uh and then, you know, with Kobe Fleiner, you know, just
33:14peppering him with targets back in the day. Uh, and so it just looks like this, you know, amazing setup. Uh, maybe
33:21there's some concern you lose Drew Pig, a new play caller. Um, you know, this is one of the most, you know,
33:30pass heavy teams of the decade, uh, if not the most. And so, you know, really benefited from garbage time. But, uh,
33:38the new head coach, Michael, that that's actually his his MO, too. um when he was with the Jets, if you remove Zack Wilson
33:46games where it was just like Mike White and Joe Flacco and whoever else, they actually would have led the league over
33:51that span in passing yards per game. Um and so yeah, that's the that's the argument. Like there's like I don't know
33:57why there's stink on McBride's name after the year he had, but it really does seem like there's some stink on his
34:05name.
34:07I think it's because most people are viewing this kind of similarly in that a lot of his volume was fueled by garbage
34:15time. Our guy Rich Reebar, he put out a great stat earlier this off season and basically was saying that Trey McBride
34:21ran like 22 games worth of routes, which is just it's not going to it's not going to repeat. I mean, he ran significantly
34:28more routes than the tight end two last season. That's just something that's really hard to bank on and something that certainly will regress back to the
34:35base rate. Um, I think that's a part of it and the part of the stink too is like dude Jacobe Brassette has been at a
34:41below a like I know the volume has been good but he's he's a below average quarterback by by yards per pass attempt
34:45by EPA drop back. He's been a below average quarterback. There's some legitimate you know legitimate reasons to be excited about the Raiders between
34:52you know you know Mendoza coming in Kurt Cousins being you know just better. I think it's in terms of a floor razor for
34:59this offense than Gino Smith was. Uh let's talk through kind of the the opportunity costcott of these tight ends. Brock >> Bowers real quick. I
35:06>> Yeah.
35:07>> Why I have in my overall rankings right now I have Bowers nine spots ahead of Trey McBride. You know, just making the
35:16argument I made, you you think it would be closer. The reason the the main concern is this is a team that probably
35:25is hoping to get Arch Manning next year, right? And so there's a very real chance we get Carson Beck, who >> Brett Whitefield had a day three grade
35:33on starting all throughout November and December, in which case, yeah, this is this is a nightmare scenario for Trey McBride. So, um, yeah, I I do have Brock
35:44Bowers as the tight end one and, you know, a nine spot difference means it's really not that close. Um, so yeah.
35:52Yeah, let's talk about uh opportunity.
35:55>> Yeah. So, Bowowers 14.3 projected PPR points per game. McBride's like in that 13 and a half range. So, we're projecting a pretty significant drop off
36:03in fantasy points per game. But, there is a significant opportunity cost to these early round tight ends. Scott, we can look back over the last five years.
36:11basically 70% or so, 65 70% of like the the best values, league winning values at tight end come past 100 overall.
36:21Really, the last two seasons, the only early round strategy at tight end that's worked is just draft the hell out of
36:27Trey McBride. That certainly could be the case again this year. The guy is just incredible. And you know, now he's going even cheaper middle of the third
36:33round. Uh Brock Bowers is basically going in between like the wide receiver seven and wide receiver eight in fantasy points per game or excuse me in ADP. And
36:42I think that makes sense. Over the last two seasons, McBride is, you know, roughly wide receiver seven, wide receivers eight. So we say, "Hey Bowers,
36:49this is like his his breakout season.
36:51Makes sense to take him around Nico Collins, AJ Brown. Structurally, Scott, how are you how are you approaching Bowowers and McBride verse the receivers
37:01in that pocket?" And I think, you know, secondarily, it also kind of depends on your first round pick. Like if you get a
37:07if you get Christian McCaffrey in the middle of the first round or somehow Browers falls you at the two-3 turn after you took Jamir Gibbs or Bejian
37:14Robinson, like if you feel comfortable with your ability to like outdraft your opponents, you know, receiver in the middle rounds, I think it makes it makes
37:21it more advantageous in my opinion.
37:24>> Yeah. Um it is going to sound like a copout, but it's not a copout. It's uh Oh, I dude.
37:31Brock Bowowers is almost mustd in an 18 team league at this ADP. In a 10 team league, I would really try and grab him.
37:42In a 12 team league, I I have no interest. It's just kind of the way the the game works. And also, especially
37:47this year where there's so much value in the middle to late rounds, it's it's kind of shocking, especially at the wide
37:54receiver position. um that I think if you follow my draft guide and you are in an eight team 10 team league and yeah
38:02definitely get Bowowers go ahead and yeah honestly get get Josh Allen too because uh that's when you know at the one onesie positions a positional
38:12scarcity matters a little bit less and you really want those highest end producers. Um, but in a 12 team, no, I I
38:21don't like the opportunity cost in foregoing a running back or a wide receiver. That's really the the league winning positions that that matter. So,
38:29um, yeah, and there's and there's a lot of there's a lot of great tight end value late uh, in just about every
38:37format, too. So, uh, 12 team league, I I I would wind up with very little exposure to Bowowers, McBride, Loveland,
38:47Warren at all. So, I'm with Scott that the more teams in your league, you know, decreases the scarcity of the onesie
38:56positions. I also think it depends on your league settings, too. If you start in a if you're in a league where you
39:01only start, you know, two receivers, two running backs, and one flex, then yeah, the points over, you know, average that Bowowers or McBride or Josh Allen give
39:10you matters significantly more. But if you're in a deep league with multiple receiver spots, you're going to be able to make up for any lost fantasy points
39:17at tight end and and really over the last five or six years, tight end scoring after the top two or three,
39:23Scott, in points per game, it's been very very long and flat. like you can always find somebody who's in between that like 10, 12, 13 points per game
39:31pocket after the top tight ends. And like I said, it's usually six or seven players in that bucket. So if you're in
39:37a in a league where you have multiple receiver spots, let's say you start three receivers and two flexes PPR leagues, that increases the viability of
39:44of receivers to begin with compared to half PPR leagues, then yeah, I I'm I'm with you. I'm a lot less interested in
39:50some of these elite tight ends. But the shallower the league, the more interested that you should be in Bowowers verse McBride. Trey McBride is
39:57now going in the middle of the third round though. He's going around T.
39:59Higgins and Chris Olive. And Scott, I'm I'm all in on T. Higgins this year. The guy's wide receiver five when Joe
40:04Burrow's healthy over the last two seasons. Uh I think this like I was just saying with the Bengals pass offense, man, it's just like so locked in. Feels
40:11really really good in terms of projection. But you know, McBride is now going in a pocket where you can draft him around the wide receiver 12, 13 or
40:1814. I think that does make him pretty appealing there in the middle of the third round regardless if it's like a 10
40:24or a 12 team league.
40:26>> Yeah, Scott, this has been awesome, man. Going through the top projected players by position. Scott, you've got your draft
40:36guide coming out here on Monday, August the 3rd. You'll break down each player and each of your favorite picks at each
40:45ADP. It should be awesome. Again, code fantasy. Save yourself 10% off at checkout at fantasypoints to get Scott's draft guide. You can go to
40:54fantasypoints.com/plans or hit the QR code on the screen if you're listening to us on YouTube bottom right corner. Scott got any uh interest in leaking an Exodia
41:05play for the people? Any interest?
41:07>> I'm not a man of the people. I'm a man of [laughter] the paid subscribers. So uh yeah, Monday draft guy drops. Uh I
41:14honestly think it's the best one I've ever written. I feel like really good. I feel like I'm in a state of zen.
41:19>> I feel like you started this one early.
41:21You started this one earlier than you typically do. Based on >> I did and I'm so glad I I did. I I feel
41:26like I'm in a state of zen where I could just like like a Neo in the matrix where I could just see
41:31>> I I don't think I've ever seen things so so crystal clearly before. Um, you know, hopefully hopefully all the plays work
41:38out, but um, right right now today, I think ADP hasn't been this soft since 2019, which was like a historic year for
41:47me where I was, you know, all in on McCaffrey and Lamar and Mark Andrews and kind of everyone who went off. I blame
41:54baseball. I think baseball has just like rotted people's brains and just like is really bad and it's just a totally different game from reddraft start sit
42:03and uh it's made things really easy on us or what happens every year is is all the Exodia guys jump like three rounds
42:11of value by September which hopefully that doesn't happen.
42:15>> There will be some some uh some players moving up for sure. I think Scott, a part of it, you touched on it earlier in
42:20the show, a part of the reason it feels easier this year is just because one, running backs have been pushed into the
42:25second round, uh, which has pushed receiver back and in particular on sleeper, ESPN, and Yahoo, we typically get less sharp ADP in general. And that
42:35receiver group, man, is just so good.
42:36Like from rounds three through five, three through six, it just feels it feels easier than ever to build out some really strong receiver rooms.
42:44>> Yeah.
42:47>> All right. All right. Well, that has been an excellent show. Top score at each position. Scott, excellent work as always. Tomorrow, we have an awesome
42:56show planned for you guys. We'll have our new hire, Jeff Mueller. He's our new injury expert here at Fantasy Points.
43:01We're going to go through all of the most important injury topics that you'll need to know for your drafts. And then I
43:08will have JJ Zacharesa, Mr. Late round quarterback, come on the show as well.
43:12That pod will drop on the YouTube feed later on Thursday. and on our pod feed on Apple, Spotify, wherever you get your
43:20podcasts. Scott, awesome show for Scott.
43:24I'm Graham. We'll see you guys at the top of the leaderboards.