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Aug 4, 2026
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Alec PierceBlake CorumCaleb WilliamsChris RodriguezChristian WatsonChuba HubbardColston LovelandD.J. MooreJayden ReedJonathon BrooksJosh DownsKendrick BourneKyren WilliamsLuke Musgrave
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Alec Pierce

NegativeInjury34:02

Pierce suffered an offseason injury that has created depth-chart opportunity for Josh Downs and other Colts receivers. The injury is part of the context explaining why the Colts have a general lack of depth at wide receiver and may pursue external free agent help.

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Blake Corum

PositiveRole38:58

Coach Sean McVay called Corum a stud on July 25th and said he will be a big factor in the Rams' offense this year; McVay named Corum as one of only two offensive players who stepped up in training camp (alongside Terrence Ferguson) and stated Corum is only getting better and better. Corum earned significant trust from McVay, who is now discussing him in the same manner he previously reserved for Kyren Williams. Corum captured close to 40% of red zone carries inside the five last season and has been slowly eating into the possession rotation, moving from a 1-for-2 split with Williams toward more drive-for-drive opportunities.

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Caleb Williams

NegativeProjection21:00

Caleb Williams is a career 60% completion rate player whose accuracy dipped year-over-year last season; the source questions his ability to consistently push the ball downfield. However, Williams did crush his sack rate and managed pressure well in his rookie year despite being one of the most sacked quarterbacks in NFL history. Ben Johnson's scheme is designed to play to Williams' strengths by emphasizing shallow-to-intermediate completions and low-risk, high-reward plays rather than downfield throws, mitigating his accuracy concerns.

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Chris Rodriguez

NegativeRole26:57

Rodriguez is a complete zero in the passing game throughout his NFL career, with only two, one, and three receptions across his three seasons; he is characterized as an early-down grinder with no pass-catching upside. This severely limits his utility in Liam Cohen's intricate, pass-heavy offensive scheme, which requires a pass-catching back to operate at full capacity. Rodriguez is now fully healthy and practicing after recovering from his foot injury, but his lack of receiving production makes him unable to fill the pass-catching back role that the Jaguars need, underscoring why Bashel Tutin must be the primary back in Cohen's scheme.

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Christian Watson

NegativeRole22:34

Christian Watson is returning from ACL injury and operated as a part-time player last season, running approximately 70% of routes. His snap and route participation rate remain a question mark heading into the new season despite his return, reflecting broader Packers receiver rotation uncertainty.

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Chuba Hubbard

NegativeRole8:00

Hubbard has been holding steady in ADP around pick 75 overall (middle of seventh to late eighth round) in sharp money leagues like FFPC and NFC, but his ADP is converging with Jonathan Brooks as the Panthers backfield competition tightens. Hubbard faces a meritocratic backfield competition with Brooks in Carolina under Dave Canales, who has a history of benching established backs when alternatives prove superior (Rico Dowdle precedent). Hubbard dealt with a calf injury last season and lacked explosive runs; Brooks is more explosive and excels in the passing game, giving him potential bellcow upside if healthy. The source assesses that if Brooks is fully healthy, he will likely get the most usage, making Hubbard a risky pick at his current ADP.

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Colston Loveland

NegativeRole16:47

Colston Loveland is expected to be a huge part and focal point of the Bears offense alongside Luther Burden; the team has emphasized how much time both players have spent at the facilities. Loveland was drafted to complement Burden in Ben Johnson's low-risk, high-reward passing scheme that emphasizes getting the ball to playmakers in space rather than downfield throws. Loveland is part of the offensive architecture designed to play to Caleb Williams' strengths and mitigate his weaknesses, positioning him as a beneficiary of the scheme's focus on completion percentage and explosive plays from short distances.

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D.J. Moore

NegativeProjection16:57

DJ Moore has a catchable target rate of 76%, placing him between Romo Odunze (67% catchable, 14.3 yards aDOT) and Luther Burden (90% catchable, 7.5 yards aDOT) in terms of target quality from Caleb Williams. This mid-range profile suggests Moore has moderate vulnerability to Williams' accuracy variance on deeper routes compared to Burden's shallow-route safety, but more security than Odunze's deep-ball dependency.

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Jayden Reed

NegativeRole22:44

Jaden Reed faces significant fantasy concerns heading into the season due to receiving corps competition and role uncertainty. Reed has run only 8 routes out of 12 personnel in his entire career; Matthew Golden is entrenched at the X position and would have to fail for Reed to consistently play in two tight end sets, limiting his path to increased playing time. Even without Dantavian Wicks and Romeo Doubs in the mix, Golden is sliding into the traditional boundary receiver role where Wicks was running the majority of his routes, further constraining Reed's opportunity.

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Jonathon Brooks

PositiveValue8:16

Brooks has been surging upward in ADP, moving into the ninth round in most leagues as his stock rises relative to Chuba Hubbard in the Panthers backfield competition. Dave Canales commented on January 12th that Brooks will have an opportunity to compete to start, signaling the coaching staff's openness to giving him a shot at the lead role. Brooks is being eased in from injury but has generated extensive coaching praise from Canales and offensive coordinator Brad Idz, particularly for his passing game ability, explosiveness, and finishing speed. Canales highlighted an unbelievable catch on a go ball and discussed using Brooks on screens and downfield routes. Brooks brings a different offensive phase than Chuba Hubbard—he excels in the passing game and is a more explosive runner. In a meritocracy, if healthy, Brooks is positioned to get the most usage and has bellcow upside with a locked-in pass-down role providing a usable floor as a low-end flex.

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Josh Downs

NegativeRole34:02

Head coach Shane Steichen has issued multiple bullish quotes about Josh Downs' role expansion in 2024. On July 28th, Steichen stated that Downs is a tremendous football player and the team is excited about getting him involved in any way possible, including in 12 personnel (outside receiver role) in addition to his existing slot work in 11 personnel. The next day, Steichen doubled down, saying Downs can play inside and outside and that his role is going to improve this season. Colts beat writer Steven Holder reported that Downs has looked fantastic in practice. The source frames this as the opposite of the Jaden Reed effect—a positive role expansion rather than a decline. If Downs struggles on the outside, the team would lean into 11 personnel to ensure he stays on the field. ADP has risen from 110s to 90s in sharper leagues (FFPC/FFC) but remains in the 110s in managed leagues, making him a value target as WR3/WR4 in PPR formats despite some downside risk from the Colts' expected offensive regression. GM Chris Ballard also loves him.

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Kendrick Bourne

NegativeDepth Chart4:00

Kendrick Bourne is a distant third option in the Cardinals receiver room behind Marvin Harrison Jr. and Michael Wilson. He is positioned closer to the middle in the slot role, indicating limited target volume upside in the new Lafeur offense.

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Kyren Williams

NegativeUsage38:58

Williams lost the goal line role, a significant downside shift; his red zone carry share inside the five dropped from 70-80% in prior years to 50% last season, while Blake Corum captured close to 40% of carries inside the five. The Rams rotated possessions between backs, with Williams getting the first two drives and Corum entering on the third drive, indicating reduced high-value touch concentration.

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Luke Musgrave

NegativeInjury24:35

Musgrave, the Packers' second tight end behind Tucker Kraft, has a neck injury and has not been able to stay healthy throughout his career; this injury concern could force the Packers to lean more into 11 personnel, affecting Jaden Reed's usage in two tight end sets.

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Luther Burden

PositiveBreakout13:20

Luther Burden's ADP has risen significantly, with his hype described as having 'left the station' and 'gone completely to the moon.' Ben Johnson has been effusive in his praise this offseason, calling Burden's off-season approach 'electric' and saying 'I'm buying Luther Burden stock right now.' Burden has been rising in price, consistently going near the 3/4 turn (pick 34) all offseason and creeping into the third round in sharper managed leagues. Johnson emphasized Burden is an explosive athlete dangerous with the ball in his hands, and the team has worked to unlock more of his game beyond screens and short throws. Burden has put on muscle to break tackles better, and he's been calling quarterbacks daily for extra work, addressing prior work-ethic concerns that caused him to fall to the second round despite being mocked around pick 15. The source ranks Burden at 39 overall with consensus ADP of 50–55 overall in managed leagues; he's cheaper on ESPN and more expensive on Sleeper. Burden has a significantly higher floor than Romo Odunze due to target profile: his average depth of target last season was 7.5 yards downfield with 90% catchable targets (vs. Odunze at 67% catchable and 14.3 yards average depth), making him less vulnerable to Caleb Williams' accuracy variance on deep routes. The source views Burden as a potential PPR cheat code with significant second-year breakout potential.

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Marvin Harrison Jr.

PositiveValue0:45

Harrison is going in the middle of the sixth round in most formats. Coach Mike Lafleur has clarified that Harrison will be used as a traditional ex receiver with significant motion usage, a major shift from Drew Pettine's static deployment last season. This aligns with Lafleur's comparison of Harrison to DeVonta Adams' role in the offense, not as a player comparison but in terms of positioning and versatility. According to Fantasy Points data, Harrison averaged 1.8 yards per route run when in motion or when motion was present on the play last season; this metric is expected to increase significantly under Lafleur, who is closely connected to his brother Matt Lafleur (Packers head coach) and is known as one of the most genius coaches at using motion to generate leverage. Harrison was WR13 by expected fantasy points in nine games played last season despite high-profile drops and limited availability; the source believes his ceiling remains untapped and that Lafleur's motion-heavy scheme will unlock additional upside, making this a bullish fantasy outlook.

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Matthew Golden

PositiveRole23:14

GM Brian Gutekunst (March 31) noted Golden needed more targets and was explosive when involved; coach Matt LaFleur (May 27) praised his competitiveness and play style, highlighting his Chicago touchdown; Jordan Love stated Golden is locked in at the X position, and LaFleur did not dispute this assessment, indicating Golden has secured the Romeo Doubs role.

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Michael Wilson

PositiveValue0:45

Wilson is going in the seventh to early eighth round in most formats. Coach Mike Lafleur has positioned Wilson as a Puka Nakua-type receiver in the offense—a strong, sturdy player who can play between the tackles, insert on safeties, and 'muck it up' in contested situations. Lafleur praised Wilson as 'tough as nails,' 'super competitive,' and 'a really good receiver,' noting similarities to Puka Nakua and Robert Woods in playing style. Wilson will handle the role of inserting on safeties and playing between the tackles in contested situations—a distinct role from Marvin Harrison Jr., who will be moved around the formation. However, Wilson's target share drops dramatically when Harrison is on the field; last season he averaged just 12% target share with Harrison active versus 25% when Harrison was off the field—a huge split that constrains Wilson's fantasy ceiling in the Cardinals offense and makes him a secondary option despite potential value.

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Rome Odunze

PositiveProjection14:10

Romo Odunze has been dealing with a foot injury and may not be completely 100% himself. He has a higher average depth of target (14.3 yards) and lower catchable target rate (67%) compared to Luther Burden (7.5 yards aDOT, 90% catchable), making him more vulnerable to Caleb Williams' accuracy variance on deep routes and giving him a lower floor in PPR formats. The source views Burden as significantly higher floor than Odunze due to this target profile mismatch.

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Travis Etienne

NegativeRole33:00

Etienne is used as a historical comparison for Bashel Tutin's role in Liam Cohen's offense. The source argues that Etienne has been miscast as a great pass catcher and was not a very good route runner, despite his explosive ability. Tutin is expected to inherit much of the designed work Etienne handled, but the source suggests Tutin, like Etienne, is not a great route runner—rather, he has the yards-after-contact and miss-force ability to succeed on designed screens and plays with space.

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TreVeyon Henderson

NegativeValue42:05

Henderson is being drafted in the fifth round but the source argues he should be going later. Last year, when both Henderson and Rondre Stevenson played in 17 games, Stevenson completely took over the early-down rushing role while Henderson was relegated to passing downs. Henderson is still struggling in pass protection according to beat writers covering training camp. Mike Vrabel specifically noted Henderson's need to recognize where pressure is coming from in disguise defensive looks. Vrabel stated Henderson should be going later in drafts. The source cautions against forcing Henderson as a fantasy asset, noting that his 1,100 total yards last year came largely when Stevenson was out.

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Trey McBride

NegativeRole6:46

McBride is earning at least 25% of targets in the Cardinals offense, which constrains the target distribution available to Harrison and Wilson; his role as a high-volume pass-catcher limits the ceiling for other pass catchers in the offense.

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Xavier Worthy

NegativeRole25:24

At Texas, Golden competed for targets with Worthy and Isaiah Bond; Golden was a poor target earner at the college level, ranking sixth or seventh by targets per route run on the team, raising bust risk concerns despite his NFL role.

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Episode Transcript

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0:00Training camps are firing left and right. We've got news coming down the pike every single day. What better person to have on the channel, on the
0:08pod, than Greg Brandos, aka CoachSpeak Index on Twitter, >> Greg, good to have you on the show, man.
0:26You were just saying before that you've been spending like 15 16 hour days grinding training camp pressers for all coaches players. So I'm I've got you on
0:36the show. We're going to pick your brain today about all of the most important training camp news.
0:41>> I'm so ready. Thank you for the invite.
0:43Huge huge fantasy points fan. So my absolute pleasure to be here.
0:49>> Yeah, the respect is mutual. Our guy Chris Wet has been using the Coach Speak Index Discord for two years now, using
0:55it as kind of like just a pipeline of news and information. Greg always does a fantastic job curating news and information. I remember I I got your
1:04account from Evan Silva. I think it was like three years ago. He put me on to to Greg when he had only a couple thousand
1:10followers, maybe. Greg has now exploded in the space. He's come he's become basically ubiquitous with coach speak and putting together the information
1:17that you need to know that matters.
1:20Greg, let's let's get it started. Man, I I got to I'm excited for the show. I've been pumped all day to to talk with you
1:25and talk through some of these uh interesting situations. And I've tried to pull out some of the most fantasy relevant in, you know, situations that
1:33we're going to talk through. The first one here, we'll go basically by team.
1:37Looking at the Arizona Cardinals, Marvin Harrison and Michael Wilson have been two players that fantasy managers have kind of struggled to pick through.
1:45Harrison's going in that kind of middle of the sixth round. Wilson going in the seventh, maybe early eighth round in most formats. Earlier this off season,
1:54we heard the the, you know, kind of the news buzzworthy line from Laflur calling Michael Wilson the new Puka Nakua in his
2:02offense and he called Marvin Harrison kind of like that traditional ex wide receiver for Marvin Harrison there. You know, comparing him to Vonte Adams
2:11within the roles of the the offense, of course, not comparing them as a players, just how they're going to line up in
2:15this offense. Greg, what else have you heard in terms of the press conferences this off season when it comes to the
2:21Cardinals? What has the floor said? What should we expect in terms of the roles for both these receivers in this new
2:27offense?
2:28>> Well, fantasy players are not the only ones who are having trouble figuring this out because on July 26th, they asked Mike Laflur whether he sees uh
2:38either of Marvin Harrison Jr. or Michael Wilson as the wide receiver one. He deflected that question. Uh we're seeing a lot of this in Arizona when it comes
2:48to depth chart stuff. Uh as you mentioned on June 2nd, Laflur said that Marvin Harrison Jr. is our ex receiver, but you can move him around where
2:58sometimes he is, sometimes he's not.
3:00That is a big difference from what we saw the last couple seasons with Drew Petting who, you know, kept him as a
3:06pretty static ex receiver. And then on Michael Wilson on July 29th, Mike Laflur said he's tough as nails. He's super competitive. He happens to be a really
3:17good receiver. It's been a pleasure getting to work with him. There are some similarities between a guy like Puka Nakua, Robert Woods, and Michael Wilson.
3:26They're strong guys. They're sturdy.
3:27They can play in between the tackles and insert and get on safeties, and they like mucking it up in there, but they're
3:33different, too. He knows where his similarities are. He's been a pleasure to work with, and he just continues to go like this, ascending gesture from the
3:41floor. Um, yeah. So the the pukin kua stuff is more about yeah this guy and and he has mentioned that we don't want
3:49to put Marvin Harrison Jr. kind of close to the core. We don't want him inserting on safeties. That that is a role for for
3:56Michael Wilson, but we do want to move Marvin Harrison Jr. uh around. So it's it's it's going to be both of these
4:04guys. Kendrick Bourne is, you know, kind of a distant third option there. They've talked about him being uh being you know
4:10closer to the middle in that in that slot role and uh you know all all all the drops and stuff are getting
4:17attention obviously Laflur talked about that and said hey yeah you guys saw this drop this stuff is going viral we don't
4:24really care about that all that matters is what happens on the next play and he made a catch on the next play and you
4:29know most of you guys did not tweet that out. Yeah, Harrison I think is just going to continue to be me for drops,
4:36Greg, because because he had some high-profile drops last year. I remember he had a drop wide open in the middle of
4:42the field that would have been like a 70 yard touchdown. The thing is, yeah, I think I think you're touching on maybe
4:47the most important thing with this offense is just how much more often these players are going to be in motion.
4:53And obviously Matt Lafleur is closely connected to his brother and Mike Leafor, excuse me, Mike Lafur is very closely connected to Matt Lafur and you
5:00know Matt Laflur the Packers Laflor uh he's one of the most genius coaches at using motion and using players in motion
5:06to kind of uh generate leverage. Last season I I pulled the stat up according to our fantasy points data suite. Marvin
5:12Harrison averaged 1.8 yards per route run. When he was in motion or when there was any motion on the play, Michael
5:18Harrison was at 1.3. I think that just speaks to the quality of the offense.
5:21Both both of those were kind of like either average or slightly below average, but Harrison seeing, you know, a slight efficiency boost when he's in
5:28motion is is bullish. I I agree with you that he still kind of profiles as that ex receiver, but I think both players
5:34are going to be moving around the formation quite a bit. Uh just in terms of just, you know, fantasy projection.
5:40The stat I keep coming back to, Greg, is like when Michael Wilson had Marvin Harrison on the field last year, he
5:46averaged just a 12% target share. When he was off the field, it was up to 25%.
5:51just a huge split there. So, for fantasy, you know, it's it's kind of interesting to hear, you know, there's there's kind of like a split uh split
5:58opinion on these players right now, but uh in my opinion, I think Marvin Harrison is still very good at football.
6:04He's had, like I said, some high-profile drops. Maybe he's got meme'd way too much. Uh Harrison only ended up playing in nine games last season, Greg, but in
6:12those games, the role is pretty good by expected fantasy points. He was like wide receiver 13, strong high-end wide receiver, too. And I I really do think
6:20he kind of missed out on the Jacobe Brassette uh just Jacobe Brassette volume hack at the end of last season.
6:26Uh he did miss out on some big spiked weeks. So Wilson vers Harrison, you know, Cardinals are still kind of trying
6:32to figure it out. Fantasy managers are still trying to figure it out. I am buying personally a Marvin Harrison uh bounceback or maybe even Serge Ford this
6:41season and and Michael Wilson to me is is a player that uh certainly could have some fantasy value. But to me, yeah, I
6:47think with McBride on the field earning 25% of the targets at worst, Harrison coming back fully healthy. Uh, Greg, have they said anything about Harrison's
6:56injury history? I guess he's fully healthy going into this year. I I think there is something in there. I I believe
7:01it was earlier in the offseason. Uh, Mike Mike Laflur, you know, kind of kind of commented on that also saying that
7:08he's very excited uh about, you know, the ways that they can use uh Marvin Harrison Jr. And I and I think you're
7:14right, man. this ceiling for him has has has not been reached. It's a lot of his potential I believe is is still untapped
7:22from from the petting era and and Mike Laflur pro probably the guy to do that you know if if if you look around the
7:30league at different play callers like this is this is probably one of the ones that that you would want here.
7:37>> Yeah. The running theme of this show today is going to be breaking down some murky situations. This Cardinal situation is certainly very murky. I
7:45think after Trey McBride, there is, you know, kind of a wide range of opinion on how the, you know, this this receiver
7:50group gets split. There's also becoming a much wider range of opinion, Greg, about how this Panthers backfield gets split. Chuba Hubard and Jonathan Brooks
8:01basically being split in sharp ADP over on FFPC and NFC leagues where a lot of money is being put down into high stake
8:09formats. This these ADPs are starting to converge. are starting to get real tight. Uh Chuba's going like, you know, been going 75 overall most of the
8:16summer. Kind of just stuck there in that middle of the seventh, late eighth round. Jonathan Brooks has been surging upwards though going into the ninth
8:22round in most leagues. Now, I got to pick your brain. What has Dave Canales and the Panthers said about this backfield? think this is one of the more
8:31interesting situations to figure out because if Greg if one of these two guys gets the starting job and kind of gets,
8:36you know, maybe not a full-blown like Bellcow role where they're getting 70% of the snaps, but if it's like a 65 35
8:42split that we can count on weekly, someone in this backfield is going to be very very valuable. I'm curious what you've heard and what you've read from
8:50Dave Canales and the Panthers coaching staff this off seasonason. It's very interesting because in previous seasons it's been Chuba Hubard is our guy,
8:59right? And it it but then it's also been a bit of a meritocracy with Dave Canales and the Panthers. We saw last year when
9:07Rico Dattle was proving that he was a better option at running back. It it it took about a week or so late, but they
9:13finally got around to putting Rico Dow in as the starter. And then we get this uh this comment from Dave Canales on
9:20January 12th of this year about Jonathan Brooks saying that he's going to have an opportunity to compete to start for this
9:26team on July 24th. Canales was asked about the position group he's most excited to see compete during training camp. He mentioned pass uh rusher,
9:35safety, wide receiver. Then went on to say that he could go position group by position group. And then he highlighted the running back room. said, "I feel
9:43great about our running back room to see how we can utilize these guys and what does that combination look like with
9:48Chuba Hubard and Jonathan Brooks and Trevor Etchen to see what comes out of that group." And uh during OTAAS, we're
9:58getting these quotes from uh I think one from Jonathan Brooks saying that, you know, not quite 100% yet, but they weren't really pushing to 100%. This is
10:08a guy who they're trying to ease in uh just a little bit given his his injury history. So pretty big. On July 28th, we
10:17get Dave Canales saying, "I don't see any hesitation in his play." Now, offensive coordinator Brad Idz in a separate press conference said the same
10:26thing. Dave Canales has been raving about Jonathan Brooks in the passing game and what he brings in that phase.
10:33And on July 28th, Canales um talked about this this like wow play that Jonathan Brooks made in the passing game. Said he made an unbelievable catch
10:42on a go ball where he got his feet in, which just goes to show some of the other things that he can bring to our
10:48offense. So he brings a completely different uh phase to the table that Chuba Hubard doesn't. Like Hubard is a
10:59decent uh pass catcher. like he's okay in the pass game. Jonathan Brooks is is is something different. He he excels and
11:08they've talked about his finishing speed when he gets the ball. They've talked about using him on screens. They've talked about using him downfield uh in
11:15the passing game. This is a guy who who is, you know, he he he's electric in the passing game and he's very good as a
11:22runner as well. He's more explosive. We know that Chuba Hubard uh didn't have many explosive runs last season. uh and and you compare the the the profiles of
11:33these two guys, I think it's pretty clear which one is is the better running back, which one u brings more to the
11:39table for this offense makes them more multiple. And again, this is a meritocracy for Dave Canales and and the Carolina Panthers. So, whoever gives
11:50them the best chance to score points to win games, that is going to be the running back who gets the most usage.
11:55And I think it's going to be pretty clear that if he's healthy, that is Jonathan Brooks.
12:00>> Interesting. That is very telling, like you said, that he's run a meritocracy.
12:04And in the past, they've just like loved Chuba Hubard. Last year, I remember Chuba got hurt. He had the calf injury
12:10and then Rico Data was just like balling out. They gave him obviously the huge role for those couple of weeks and he
12:15balled out. Then Chuba came back and they immediately made Hubard the starter for that one week, but then they kind of
12:20realized their mistake and started playing data more and more as the season goes on. So, I'm with you and that Brooks certainly has a ton of upside. I
12:28remember when uh he got drafted, Canales was basically just like basically a love fest of of his pass game ability. And I
12:35think that is kind of the the biggest piece of the upside angle here is that okay, yeah, maybe Hubard, you know, he
12:42was injured last season, dealt with a calf injury, was was probably not 100% when he did come back. He's maybe not
12:48the world's most explosive runner.
12:50Jonathan Brooks, when he's fully healthy, certainly is. And Brooks has more ability on passing downs. We talk about this all the time in fantasy
12:58football. A target is worth two and a half more PPR points than a single carry. So getting, you know, a pass down
13:05roll locked in for Brooks is going to give him a usable floor is like a low-end flex. But then like Greg is
13:11saying, if they they do run a meritocracy and it's week two and Jonathan Brooks is like clearly the better runner than Chuba, there's
13:18certainly some bellcow upside here.
13:20Scott Barrett, our guy, uh, his ears definitely just perked up on on these quotes here for Greg. Another player that that Scott's ears are going to perk
13:27up on, Luther Burton. Man, his hype has the rocket ship has left the station. It has just gone completely to the moon
13:35with Burden. Ben Johnson has been effusive in his praise this off seasonason. Greg will speak to that, but Burton has been a player that's really
13:42started to come up in price. Uh, he was consistently going near that 34 turn all off season. And Greg, I think he starts
13:50kind of creeping into the third round in into sharper managed leagues, especially given the context that Romo Dunay has been dealing with this foot injury and
13:58he may not be like completely 100% himself. Ben Johnson, the quotes have been going viral, Greg, what what exactly has he said about Burden and is
14:07this justified? Is the the hype rocket ship just going completely uh is it too crazy or or is this, you know, some
14:14sharp action here that we should be following? I think the moon is just a pit stop on the way to Neptune.
14:18>> Interesting. Interesting. Okay. Okay.
14:21>> That's a quote for me. That's not Ben Johnson. This is Ben Johnson. May 28th, quote, I'm buying Luther Burden stock
14:27right now. Just how he's approached this off season. It's been electric. End quote. And then another quote from the same presser. When we drafted him, we
14:36saw an explosive athlete who is really dangerous with the ball in his hands.
14:40The question was, how can we get it in his hands? the easy things to do were screens or short throws, but I think
14:46there's a lot more to his game that we've worked to unlock. Uh Ben Johnson has also talked about how Luther Burton
14:53is he looks like he's playing at a different speed right now. We did see some of the downfield stuff last year
14:59with Luther Burton and obviously we saw just how good he is with the ball in his hands and this off seasonason it's been
15:07a lot of Luther Burden and Coloulston Loveland are going to be huge parts of this offense. They are going to be focal
15:14points of this offense. They've talked about how much time both of those guys have spent at the facilities. Um, it talked a lot about how Luther Burton has
15:25um has has put on some muscle. He's bulked up a little bit in order to break these tackles at an even better rate and
15:33just make himself much much harder to to tackle. Uh Ryan Ples, the general manager and the offensive coordinator, Press Taylor, also spoke recently about
15:43how every day this off seasonason, Luther Burton was calling and texting uh quarterbacks to just, hey, I need an arm out here. I need an arm, whoever, come
15:54out here. Uh and th this guy has been working so hard, which is big because the work ethic was one of the concerns
16:02for him coming out as a prospect. That is why he fell into the second round.
16:06This was a guy who at one point was mocked right around the 15th pick in the 2025 draft. So, knowing that he has that
16:13stuff down and another one of those concerns last year coming out in the draft was uh how how dedicated is this
16:22guy as a run blocker? And we saw that pretty immediately last season. So, th I mean this this guy's head is in the
16:28right place and that's that's that's a red flag that we've taken care of now, right? So, we're we're we're back to all
16:36right, this guy is like Ben Johnson said, he's absolutely electric. We don't have to worry about the off-field uh concerns. This now it's it's what's on
16:47the field and what's on the field is really good with Luther Burton.
16:50>> Yeah. On the field, I think one of the things I keep coming back to is just Yeah, Caleb Williams for fantasy is
16:55awesome because he scrambles and he's looking for the big play down the field, which, you know, is obviously great for fantasy, but he's struggled with his
17:02accuracy. Here at Fantasy Points data, we chart catchable targets for all receivers. And last season, Luther Burton, bro, 90% of his targets were
17:11catchable compared to Romo Dunay at 67%, DJ Moore at 76%. So, yeah, you bake in, okay, he's the kind of the shallow AOT
17:20screen design target player. He's not going to have that downside that maybe Odun will have because he's not running these deep down the field, you know,
17:28routes that Caleb Williams has kind of traditionally struggled or maybe not struggled but just his accuracy comes and goes. There's a couple plays where
17:34you watch Caleb and you're like, "Wow, that this is perfect." And then there's a couple plays where he's just like is
17:38sailing balls or he's thrown it at Odun's feet. Burden because the the average depth of target last season was 7 and a half yards downfield. Basically
17:45half of Romans's a dot. A dot odun's a dot was like 14.3 or 14 and a half. I believe off the top of my head, I'm
17:53looking at Burton as like to a significantly higher floor than Romo Dunce and he's a player that I've I've really come around on for fantasy. I
18:02right now have him at 39 overall in my rankings. Maybe that ends up being a little too low. Uh across the board,
18:08consensus ADP on managed leagues for him is kind of like 50 55 overall. Uh ESPN, he's going really really cheap. Sleeper
18:17a little uh little more expensive over on Sleeper, but Burden is a player that I want to be ahead of on ADP just
18:22because I think he could be kind of a a mix between a PPR cheat code and there's some significant secondyear breakout
18:29potential. One of the things Scott talks about all the time with Ben Johnson is his slot receivers. We've seen this in
18:35the past with Jarvis Landry just like hoovering targets, getting a 100 receptions every single year. Aman Rosane Brown obviously was a massive,
18:42massive breakout pick within the Ben Johnson scheme. I think Luther Burden is kind of a new iteration where he's maybe not necessarily the the route runner of
18:51Aman Ross St. Brown, but he's significantly really good after the catch and maybe one of the best players, most difficult players to tackle. I
18:58think Luther Burton is a massive edge pick uh on some less sharp platforms right now like ESPN and Yahoo and like I
19:05said uh NFC and FF FFPC where a lot of money is being spent, man, he's going right there at that 34 turn. Luther
19:12Burton's certainly a player that that could uh help you win some leagues this season and a player that I've really come around on this off season.
19:20>> Greg, I got to ask you about the Packers receiver rotation. Can can I make one more point on on Luther Burton because
19:26you mentioned the completion percentage for Caleb Williams and I still remember there's this quote from last season from Ben Johnson and he said a a lot of
19:37people think that turnovers are the number one indicator uh on on on offense of if you're going to win the game or
19:44not, but it's not. it's actually completion percentage. Um, and and and and how effective your your quarterback is. And he he he has made this focus on
19:55kind of a a lower A dot where if you have playmakers and this is why they drafted Luther Burden, this is why they
20:02drafted Coloulston Lovelin last year.
20:06Very easy, you know, lowrisk, highreward plays. Just get the ball in your playmakaker's hands and let them go do something special. you can get explosive
20:15plays without throw, you know, without chucking the ball downfield. So, he is Ben Johnson is obviously playing to Caleb Williams strengths and and and the
20:25strengths of this offense and kind of shading away from Caleb Williams weaknesses and and Ben Johnson reiterated that again this off season
20:34talking about 70% completion percentage is the mark. That is the championship level mark for us. and they print that out every day after practice and they
20:45put it in the quarterback room and say you either you you reached championship mark or you did not reach championship mark today. So this is a that's a very
20:54big thing for Ben Johnson. And again, it just points that arrow towards Luther Burton and Coloulston Lovelin in this offense.
21:00>> Yeah, that's that's exactly right. I mean, Caleb Williams in his career has been a 60% completion rate player. Last year it actually dipped year-over-year.
21:07I certainly can buy that Williams can be a little more accurate, especially in kind of like the shallow to intermediate areas. I still question his ability to
21:15kind of like consistently push the ball down the field. But between, you know, him kind of crushing his sack rate last
21:20season, Greg, you know, Caleb Williams was one of the most sacked quarterbacks in football history in his rookie season last year. He did a great job managing
21:27the sacks, you know, getting out of evading pressure. Um, I yeah, I'm very bullish on Burton and his kind of potential in this offense. Not for
21:36nothing, too. Jared Goff had a careerhigh in his completion rate. I believe it was 72% in 2024 in Ben Johnson's last year with the Lions,
21:44which was his best year with the Lions.
21:46Ben Johnson's one of the best play callers, top three play caller in football right now. And like Greg just said, certainly going to cater to Caleb
21:54Williams strengths. Talking with Greg Branos aka CoachSpeak Index, CoachSpeak Index on Twitter. You can follow him over there. like we've been putting up
22:03on the screen a few times, his Discord is one of the most valuable discords in the football space. Highly, highly recommend it. We use it here at Fantasy
22:10Points all of the time. Greg, I got to ask you about this Packers receiver rotation. Man, this has been one of the
22:17headaches and sore spots for fantasy managers for three years now. This group has just been basically at the high end.
22:24We if we can get somebody on the field 75% of the time, that's like a huge win.
22:29Last year, obviously, Christian Watson comes back from the ACL injury. He was still kind of a part-time player, running about 70% of the routes. This
22:36year, though, no Romeo Dobs, Dantavian Wixs is now an Eagle. Are we going to see Jaden Reed play in two tight end
22:44sets? I see you wincing. I see you wincing. What does Lafleur and the Packer, what have they kind of have they
22:49hinted at anything here with this receiver?
22:51>> Oh, man. So, I mean, I don't know h I don't know if people are aware how few routes Jaden Reed has run out of 12
23:00personnel over >> I am. It's It's wildly low.
23:03>> Yes. Yes. Uh I I looked it up last night in the fantasy points data suite. Eight routes. Oo. His entire career out of 12
23:13personnel.
23:14>> Yeah. I I think Matthew Golden is gonna have to fall on his face in order for Jaden Reed to to consistently play over
23:22him in 12 personnel. I'll give you a couple quotes here on Matthew Golden. Uh general manager Brian Gudakuntst on March 31st said at the end of the year I
23:32think everybody could see that we probably needed to get Matthew Golden the ball more because he was very explosive and made so many plays when we
23:39did. And then Matt Laflur on May 27th uh about Matthew Golden said there's a lot of opportunity there for him to go out
23:46and take. His final game last year was his best performance. And I'm not even talking about catches or yards, just the
23:53play style that we're looking for from him. He showed a lot of competitiveness.
23:56That touchdown in Chicago was pretty spectacular. So I think you got a glimpse of what he's capable of becoming on a consistent basis. And then we got
24:06this quote the other day from Jordan Love on NFL Network saying that Matthew Golden is locked in at the X. They asked
24:16Matt Laflur about that on uh I believe August 3rd and Laflur did not dispute that when he was asked about it. He he
24:25he also said that he was not aware that Jordan Love made this quote. But this is the Romeo Dobs role and I believe that
24:35it's gonna be Matthew Golden. And again, I think I I think he will just have to fail in order for Jaden Reed to to to be
24:44playing consistently in 12 personnel.
24:47>> Yeah, that's a key for this offense. Uh, one injury I've I've been keeping my eye on, Luke Musgrave, their second tight
24:53end behind Tucker Craft. He has a neck injury. They might be forced, Greg, this year to play more 11 just because Luke
24:59Musgrave is is not healthy. He's not been able to stay on the field really his entire career. That is something we
25:04need to keep an eye on with Jaden Reed.
25:07But yeah, not a bullish note at all from from Greg here or the Packers on Jaden Reed playing more in 12 personnel. I
25:13think myself included, I've been wishing that Jaden Reed would play more in in two tight end sets, kind of like Josh
25:19DS. That seems like it's going to happen here with Josh Downs. We'll get to the Colts here in just a moment, but not as
25:24not as nearly as bullish for Jaden Reed.
25:28Uh I think, you know, Matthew Golden, you say he's got a fail. I you know, I've the prospect profile was not very
25:33good to me. Uh he was not a target earner at Texas. He dealt with really bad quarterback play. Quinn's really struggled at Texas there, but uh he was
25:41not a target earner, you know, competing for targets with Xavier Worthy and Isaiah Bond. He was under target earner last year. I think he was sixth or
25:47seventh by targets per route run on this team, Greg. So there is some like busk risk with Golden for sure, but yeah,
25:55definitely not bullish if you're if you're believing in Jaden Reed playing more than 12 personnel this year.
26:00>> Yeah, but but like you said, may maybe they just lean into the 11 more, which would be great for Jaden Reed because he
26:06probably does earn more targets uh when he's out on the field with Matthew Golden in in that slot role. They love
26:12his uh run after the catch ability out of the slot and and and just like what a dog this guy is.
26:20Yeah, he is a very good football player, but he has to get on the field more to to be, you know, viable in fantasy. This
26:25is something I talk about with Dalton Concaid. Like, I think Concaid could be a really good player, but he just does
26:30not run a full-time route share. That is a certain concern again going into the season, unfortunately, for Jaden Reed, even without Dantavian Wixs and Romeo
26:37Dobs in the mix. who kind of got like Greg was saying, you know, mix of roles here and Matthew Golden kind of sliding
26:43into that, you know, traditional boundary exceiver role where where Dubs was running the majority of his routes over the last couple years. Not great
26:50for Jaden Reed, that's for sure. We got to talk through this Jags backfield, man. This has been one that has been a
26:57source of a lot of debate in the fantasy football community all summer. Chris Rodriguez is now fully healthy. He is practicing coming back from his foot
27:05injury. Greg, what have the quotes been from Liam Cohen and this Jag staff on what we should expect between Bashel Tutin and Chris Rodriguez this season?
27:15>> I'm going to start with Chris Rodriguez first. On March 31st at the annual owners meeting, Liam Cohen had a press
27:23conference and then he also had an interview with team media. This is what he said in his press conference. I look
27:30at rushing yards over expected and yards after contact.
27:35In his interview with Team Media, Cohen said, "What I always appreciated about Chris Rodriguez has been his rushing yards overexpected
27:45and his yards after contact." So, like a very direct match on the same day in two different um kind of media appearances
27:54there. Liam Cohen and offensive coordinator Grant Udinsky have been talking a lot about staying on schedule, getting four, six, eight yards on their
28:06rushes. Cohen said that last year was probably the worst year in his career as far as, you know, always being in second
28:15and long, you know, second and eight.
28:17They want to eliminate that. They want to get to second and six, second and five, second and four this year. And
28:23then on Bashel Tutin on July 21st on an interview on the Shrager hour, Liam Cohen said, quote, "His yards after contact and rushing yards, man, when he
28:34can get going and get downhill. I mean, he was 428 coming out. He can fly. He was so conscientious about ball security
28:41last year and doing right." Okay, now Toutin, you got it. You understand it more now. Just go be you. Like, go do
28:49what got you here. Go be special. that's who you are and we're definitely expecting Toutin to have a big year for
28:57us." End quote. So, a lot of this offseason they have said we we don't exactly know
29:07what we have in Bashel Tutin OTAAS. There's no pads. Even in training camp, when you have pads, you know, you're not going to the ground. We we
29:16see these clips of running backs running 80 yards to the house when in an actual NFL game.
29:21>> It's a joke. It's a joke. He stopped, you know, four yards in into that run.
29:28So So there's there's some good and bad there, right? I I would I would say kind of a silver lining for Bashel Tutin. Uh
29:38something that's maybe not talked about enough is his role last year was more of a short yardage and kind of goal
29:47lineback for the Jags. And that that wasn't his strongest um point as a prospect coming out.
29:56Coming out it was like, "Oh, this guy's super fast. He forces missed tackles at a high rate and not as much of the
30:04short, you know, not a spotlight on the short yardage stuff, but we saw him really excel in that area last year and
30:10and and they really talked him up and and how impressed and kind of surprised they were at his success rate and how
30:17he's just never going backwards. He's always going forwards uh near the goal line and and in short yardage. So, it's it it's cool to know. It's cool for the
30:26Jags to know and that coaching staff to know that okay, he's he's he's got this in his bag, but he's also got this kind
30:32of untapped area that we didn't really use him uh a bunch in last year of in the passing game and and and and using
30:40the explosiveness there and outside runs. That was all Travis Etchen uh uh role last year. So, it's it it's it's very possible that he kind of gets the
30:51first shot at that. And um if if if he excels, then he's RB-1. And if the if if the vision, which is a a little bit of a
31:02concern for people, if that's not quite there and they are behind schedule and they're getting into these second and eights, then, you know, we probably see
31:10some more Chris Rodriguez. I I I do think Rodriguez will mix in quite a bit here uh in this back
31:20field. But man, one one thing for me that that makes it really tough is the fact that Chris Rodriguez is such a zero
31:28in the passing game. And man, the these Liam Cohen offenses, they they're they're they're so intricate. There's so
31:37much going on there and they can be very explosive, right? But you need all the pieces working together. And if you have
31:45a running back back there who can't be used in the passing game, then you're all of a sudden taking a a a full
31:52dimension away from your offense. So I think for this offense to operate at it at at its highest potential and capacity, they do need a pass catching
32:02back and that would be Bashel Tutin. But he has to go out there and prove that he is an RB1 in the NFL.
32:09>> That's my biggest thing with Toutin as well. That's what I keep coming back to is like if you want to have a scheme
32:15where the defense doesn't really know if it's a run or a pass, it Toutin has to be their guy. Because to your point,
32:21bro, Chris Rodriguez in his career has two, one, and three receptions in his three seasons. He's just he's been a complete zero even going back to college
32:29throughout his NFL career. He's just been an early down grinder. And you know, Bashel Tutton's got real upside on passing downs. getting the highv value
32:37targets on passing downs is going to be very very valuable for his role in fantasy this year. Liam Cohen last season designed the fifth most targets
32:46to his running backs out of the backfield screens to his his running backs out of the backfield that was tied with the 49ers last year. So this is a
32:53real opportunity for Tuton to take a lot of the designed work that Travisen took in the past. And for what it's worth, I
33:00mean I don't think ETN was a very very good pass catcher. I think he's kind of been miscast as like a really good pass
33:06catcher. I I've always pushed back on that. Even going back to Clemson, I I think he's, you know, he's an explosive
33:11player for sure, but is he a is he a great route runner? Probably not. And I think the same can be said for Bashel
33:16too. He's he's not going to be routing guys up out there, but he certainly has the yards after contact miss force
33:21ability to, you know, take a design screen where he's got a a big runway to the house. We saw that a little bit in
33:26that Bills game there in the playoff loss for the Jags as well. Toutin getting some space and hitting some big plays. I'm with Greg that I I do think
33:33that this is probably a little more of a split backfield than most fantasy managers will want. Uh it might cap Tuton's upside, but I still think he's
33:41clearly going to be the lead back in more of like a 60/40 type split on early downs. He led this backfield in yards
33:48after contact per attempt. Led this backfield in missed was forced per attempt last season as well. So, we've seen the small sample efficiency with
33:55Tuton. Now, it's just all about truly, you know, kind of marrying these two things up and playing more this season.
34:02I teased it just a moment ago, Greg. We got to talk through the Colts and some Josh Downs coach speak. There's been
34:08some very, very bullish quotes from Shane Stiken this off season about, you know, what DS's role is going to be. We
34:16want him to play more. It seems like in 12 personnel, this is the opposite of the Jaden Reed effect. Steven Holder,
34:22one of the Colts beat writers, was just saying yesterday that DS has looked fantastic in practices. And he was speculating still that they signed a
34:29wide receiver, which has got to be a part of this discussion here for the Colts because with between Alec Pierce's injury this off season and their just
34:35general lack of depth, this is a team that we've kind of tabbed as like maybe a Stfan Diggs or Keenan Allen landing
34:41spot. But let's talk through downs and exactly what Stikken has said and then we'll kind of marry it up with whether
34:47or not the Colts should sign a wide receiver.
34:50>> Early in this like very early in this off season, they asked Shane Stiken if Josh DS could could play in 12 personnel
34:59if he could play on the outside and he said, "We're going to try it out in the spring. We're going to put him out there
35:04on the outside and you know, we'll just kind of see what happens." And then we finally get a couple quotes from Shane
35:12Stiken that make it sound like, okay, this this is actually hap. It's the Michael Scott meme of, "All right, it's happening. Let's everybody, let's go.
35:21Stay calm. Everybody stay calm."
35:23>> Yeah. Except we're not staying calm.
35:26We're getting very excited about it. On July 28th, uh Shane Stiken was asked how much he's thought about getting Josh DS
35:33more involved in the offense this year.
35:36Stiken said uh that Josh DS is a tremendous football player. I'm excited for him going into the season, getting him involved any way we can, whether
35:44it's in 12 personnel. Obviously, he plays a lot in the slot in 11 personnel, but just trying to find different ways
35:50to get him the ball. We'll go through that process in training camp and during gameweek preps, but we're excited for him this year. So, that's a pretty good
35:58quote. And then the next day, even better. Stiken says, "We're excited about Josh Downs right now. obviously a guy that can play inside and outside for
36:06us now and his role is going to improve for us this season which we're excited about. So, yeah, I think Josh Downs does
36:14play in uh in 12 personnel. And e I would say if it if it got to the point where they're like, man, he's he's he's
36:24getting bullied on the outside. It's it's not quite working out as much as we want, I think we would just see them go
36:30and and and really lean into 11 personnel, just making sure that whatever we have to do, Josh Downs has to be on the field and and and Chris
36:39Ballard loves him as well. Uh, by the way, as as far as bringing in a another receiver, uh, their general manager,
36:47Chris Ballard, was asked on July 28th whether he's considering bringing in a vet receiver, and Ballard said we will.
36:55I don't think right now, but at some point we'll evaluate and probably talk through some of those guys.
37:02>> Yeah, I think they want to get a look at just some of the, you know, deeper roster options they have between Ashen
37:07Douly and maybe Anthony Gold. But yeah, you're right. I mean, they've got to sign a wide receiver. Uh, all these quotes from Stiken that Greg just
37:13mentioned are very bullish, though. If they do sign a wide receiver, and they want to get downs on the field more.
37:18He's going to have to play more in, you know, two tight end, 12 personnel sets.
37:23Obviously, Stiken is one of the most multiple coaches in the league. He loves to mix and match 11 and 12. I think one
37:29of the things I'm most excited about with Downs in this offense is Stiken is is one of the best coaches in in
37:33football, Greg. Utilizing motion and utilizing coach, you know, kind of utilizing motion to get his players in the right spot to succeed. And I think
37:41DS is the kind of the flanker motion man in this offense is very very intriguing to me. Uh DS is, you know, in terms of
37:49ADP, he has not come up enough uh in sharper leagues, FFPC and FFC. He has come up from like the 110s in ADP into
37:56the 90s, but in managed leagues, his consensus ADP, Greg, is still, you know, well into the 110s. Especially in PPR leagues, I think Downs makes a lot of
38:05sense as your wide receiver three or wide receiver four. There's some downside risk with this Colts offense for sure. Daniel Jones coming back from
38:11the Achilles injury. We got to expect a little regression after they ran so hot on touchdowns. our guy Rich Reebar, he
38:17had some awesome stats on, you know, kind of what we should expect from the Colts on this in terms of regression on
38:23our show a few weeks ago. Back and go back and listen to that pod if you if you have not already. But yeah, I'm I'm
38:29very in on Josh Downs. I was very in on Josh Downs last year. That did not work out so well because he had the ankle
38:34injury and then Michael Pitman was a huge part of the offense as T as was Tyler Warren, but they're going to have
38:41no option but to play DS more this season. player that we're very bullish on here at Fantasy Points. We'll pivot back over to some more backfield talk.
38:50Pretty much the rest of the show is going to be backfield breakdowns. The Rams this season are kind of interesting, man, cuz last year Kairen
38:58Williams lost the goal line role. I think this is one of the biggest things that I saw just looking, you know, into
39:03the weeds of what this offense was last season. The Rams kind of rotated possessions, you know, between their back field last season. and Kairen would
39:11get the first two drives, then they'd bring Cororm onto the field for that third drive. Uh the biggest thing to me
39:16though is is Kairen losing the goal line role. In years past, he was pushing a 70 80% share of carries inside the five.
39:25Last year that dripped all the way down into the 50s. Blake Corm was getting close to, you know, 40% of the carries
39:30inside the five. Greg, I'm curious if any Shawn McVey quotes have kind of caught your caught your ears a little bit on this backfield here. Yeah, Shawn
39:38McVey on July 25th talking about Blake Quorm said, quote, "He's a stud and he's going to be a big factor in what we're
39:45going to do this year and love everything he's about." End quote. On August 3rd, McVey was asked whether there are any players that he thinks
39:53have really stepped up. And McVey named two offensive players, Terrence Ferguson and Blake Cororm. And then McVey stated that Cororm is only getting better and
40:04better. I think a as as the season went on last year. Um I believe at some point they they they they started going kind
40:12of drive for drive where initially it was two for Kairen Williams, one for Blake Cororm and Cororm kind of slowly started to to eat into that. He's earned
40:21a lot of trust from Shawn McVey. Uh McVey is starting to to talk about him the same way that he's been talking
40:29about Kairen Williams in years past.
40:32this that July 25th quote when he was talking about Blake Cororm in the past.
40:38I I don't know if there was a single time in the past where he was asked about Blake Cororum and did not end up
40:44just unprompted talking about Kairen Williams uh at at some point u during during his answer. Uh he did not bring up Kairen Williams this time when
40:53talking about Blake Corm. So I think we're going to see a pretty even split between those two backs this season.
41:00Yeah, Shawn McVey loves Karen Williams like a son. I truly believe that. But yeah, I think his hand has been forced.
41:06Blake Corm played significantly better last year and I I'm with Greg. I think Cororm ends up being a big thorn in
41:12Kairen Williams fantasy football value this season in the third round. Man, I I just can't do it with Kairen. I think
41:19he's an easy fade in that spot. He's being completely overvalued. I think people are kind of going back to his old
41:24role uh in this offense where he gets the bulk of the goal line carries. It just was not the case last year. And the
41:30big thing to me is there's really like no floor value kind of like booing his, you know, fantasy value for Kiran this
41:38year. Man, the Rams have been at the bottom of the league in receptions to their running backs in three straight years. They've ranked 32nd or 31st in
41:45running back receptions in three straight seasons. So, there's really no like floor boost for Kairen Williams in that regard. There should be a much
41:52tighter spread on Kairen and Blake Cororm's AP. I have it ranked that way and we're kind of projecting it out that
41:58way here at Fantasy Points as well.
42:01Speaking of there should be maybe tighter spreads on ADP. We got to talk through this Patriots backfield as well.
42:05Trevon Henderson's going in the fifth round. Raander Stevenson consistently going kind of in that seventh round pocket on most platforms. Uh you know
42:13last year Randre and Trevon played in 17 games and Raandre completely uh you know took over the early down rushing role.
42:22Greg, he was playing more in passing downs. And we've heard I've at least I've read, you know, throughout training camp from some of the beat writers that
42:29Henderson is still struggling in pass protection. I'm curious if any quotes from Josh McDaniels or Mike Brabbull has have kind of caught your eye this
42:38summer. Reading through this Patriots backfield, listening to the press conferences, has anything kind of stood out to you on what we should expect
42:45between the split between Trevon Henderson and Raandre this year? Yeah, if you scroll through the New England Patriots thread in the Coach Speak Index
42:53Discord, what you will discover is that the Patriots coaching staff loves Roandre Stevenson. Like truly loves this guy. And this so this this quote from
43:04Josh McDaniels was actually uh before the Super Bowl. This was on January 22nd. He said that Raandre Stevenson's ability to block blitzes and protect the
43:13quarterback has allowed him to play a role as a pass catcher. He's got a brow a broad route tree, really good hands,
43:20and a really good understanding of what to do to help the quarterback and be friendly to him. Then when talking about
43:27the passing game in a July 30th presser, Mike Vrabel mentioned Hunter Henry, the receivers, and Raandre Stevenson. In that same press conference, Vrabel was
43:38asked about Trayvon Henderson's pass protection and Vrabel talked about Henderson's need to be able to recognize where the pressure is coming from in
43:47disguise defensive looks. And then Vrabel said, "I love the way that Raandre protects and Trayvon is continuing to work on that. I think
43:57these ADPs maybe should be flipped a little bit at least. Trayvon should be going later. Raandre Stevenson uh should should definitely be going earlier. I've
44:08I've got a lot of him in drafts this season. They they trust this guy and that's very big to a coaching staff,
44:14especially when you have a franchise quarterback like Drake May. You have to protect him and and and it's not just about the pass protection. Raandre
44:25Stevenson led all running backs in rushing yards over expectation per attempt in 2025. had one of the highest explosive play rates at the position
44:33last year forced more missed tackles per attempt than Trayvon Henderson did. It nearly doubled him up in that department. Stephvenson's yards after
44:40contact per attempt much higher. Yards per route run also much higher as was his success rate. And again, going back to the pass protection, man, this that's
44:49so important to to any team, but it's especially important to Josh McDaniels and to Mike Vrabel. So, it's it might be wheels up again for for
45:00Roman this year. He's he's he's probably going to keep the goal line role. Uh he has better vision than than Trayvon
45:06Henderson.
45:08Pe people are just like kind of wanting to force Trayvon Henderson to be a thing. And I get it. He was he was very
45:16he had like 1100 total yards or something last year. A lot of that was when Raandre Stevenson was out. Okay.
45:23So, let's let's include that when when when we're talking about that stat.
45:28>> Yeah, about a third of his rushing yards, to Greg's point, came in those three or four games that Raandre either
45:33got hurt or he missed completely. I think the biggest factor to me in everything that Greg just kind of laid out to me is the pass down role is is,
45:41you know, they trust Raandre in pass protection in a way that they don't with Trevian Henderson. Sneakishly, this Patriots offense, Greg, they were fifth
45:50most pass heavy last year by pass rate over expectation. This is a team that's going to throw the ball. McDaniels kind
45:55of turned the keys over to Drake May last year and if they don't trust Trevian and Pass Pro, man, like they're,
46:01bro, they're they're not going to play him. They're not going to play him.
46:03They're going to play Raandre. And it's kind of the same thing that we just talked about a little bit ago with the
46:07Jags backfield is like having a little bit of that, you know, kind of mirroring your concepts between the run in the
46:12pass, not wanting to give a defensive a tell, you know, based on who's in the back field. Uh, don't want to give a
46:18defensive tell on what the play call is.
46:20Raandre gives the Patriots that. Bro, he's super boring. You know, nobody's going to oo and on your fantasy league when you take Raandre in the seventh
46:27round, but I'm with Greg that he's one of the best values on the board right now. Patriots offense going to regress
46:34year-over-year by implied points per game. They're one of the most regressionprone teams by projections this year. To me, that really is going
46:43to hurt this backfield, but it might hurt Trevian Henderson even more because he is not going to play as much as we
46:49want in the pass game. I think that's that's one of the keys of this off off seasonason and certainly certainly one
46:54of the keys of the show is the quotes from McDaniels and this coaching staff, just how much they love Raandre.
47:01Continuing our theme of muddy backfields, Greg, I'm picking your brain on these muddy back fields. Picking your brain on everything you've read from the
47:08quotes and press conferences this off season. The Steelers have a new coaching staff. Mark McCarthy is replacing Arthur Smith as the play caller of the
47:17Steelers. And he brought in his guy, Rico Dattle. Dattle was McCarthy's guy back his last season on the Cowboys. D had that kind of breakout season, went
47:26over a thousand yards that year. He brings him into the Steelers. I'm curious if you've read any kind of interesting maybe newsworthy quotes on
47:34this backfield split and what we should expect between Dow and Jaylen Warren. I think it'll probably be pretty even between these two. Mike McCarthy has
47:43referred to Rico Dael as a four-own player and an excellent third down back.
47:48He's also talked about how smart D is.
47:50We also got a lot of that from the coaching staff in Carolina last year. I don't know if you remember, there's
47:55there's this there's this one uh there's this one play and I believe the Panthers or NFL Network, somebody put out this
48:02this clip of it last year after it happened, but Rico Dow noticed something in the defense that they were playing against uh in in this game last year and
48:12he goes to the coaching staff, he's like he he he points it out to him, right?
48:15Because I guess the coaching staff didn't didn't recognize it. And sometimes it's easier for the players who are who are on the field uh to
48:22recognize that. And uh it it it ended up in I believe like a like a 30-yard uh touchdown reception for him and Canales
48:31was just raving about like how intelligent he is, how he's able to recognize stuff. Rico Dout used to be a quarterback. Mike McCarthy has talked
48:39about that and and and how that allows him to kind of see the game a little bit differently. And then maybe most
48:45importantly, McCarthy has in the past called Rico Dattle a bowling ball full of butcher knives. So, you would imagine that McCarthy as the offensive play
48:55caller is going to utilize that profile when the Steelers get down to the goal line. And then McCarthy has said several
49:02times this off seasonason about how great of a fit D is with Jaylen Warren, how these two backs complement each other and how great of a combo they are.
49:11I I don't think they're super interested in being like, okay, this it has to be this one guy. uh that they talk about
49:17how interchangeable they are, how they can both uh be on the field, whatever down it is. So, if the offense is
49:23moving, they don't have to take a guy out, they just keep rolling. Same kind of thing. If somebody gets uh gets
49:29injured, then it's like, okay, we don't we don't we lose the player, but we don't actually lose that much as as an
49:35offense. So, I I I think we see a pretty decent split here. Uh I I do I do think that Rico Dattle um you know football
49:43intelligence is is good not only with McCarthy but especially with Aaron Rogers, right? Someone who's so particular uh about um about assignments
49:54and and uh and just onfield intelligence. I do think Jaylen Warren is a a very good running back, but Rico Dall is no slouch. He's he's he's a
50:05pretty decent running back in his own right. Do I think Jaylen Warren is a is a better running back? Yes. Uh I do. But
50:11what is most important is what the coaching staff thinks and how Aaron Rogers feels uh about these guys. Jaylen Warren can do the third down stuff. He
50:21wasn't tasked with it last year and it was a different coaching staff, but it was Aaron Rodgers there and uh you know
50:28Kenny Gainwell got got a lot of that work. So may maybe it does end up being uh being Jaylen Warren that plays more
50:35third downs, but it could it could also just be like kind of a driveby drive thing, right? And and and then you're
50:41just banking on like, okay, which which which drive ends in in in points. Uh and whichever back is out on the field for
50:48that drive will will hit your lineup.
50:51>> Jaylen Warren is going to get the Kenny Gainwell role from last season, Greg, which is exciting to me. like you noted,
50:57he really didn't play that much on third downs last year because Gainwell was in that role. I think for PPR in full PPR
51:03leagues, like that makes a ton of sense to me. But yeah, I have Rico Dow ahead of Warren because I do believe he leads
51:10this team in early down carries. I've gone back and forth on this backfield. I think one of these two players is going
51:15to end up being maybe not a league winning value, but a very strong value.
51:19Somebody that we can maybe rely on as like a low-end RB2, a really strong flex play. uh D's, you know, early down
51:25ability mixed with the fact, I mean, he's got 39 catches over the last two seasons. He does have some some bellcow
51:31upside. And this is Mike McCarthy's guy.
51:33The bowling ball full of butchered knives quote, man, that's like you can't get any more bullish of a quote than that, man. For a running back, there's
51:40there's no more bullish quote than that.
51:42>> Maybe if he said it was it's it's shot out of a rocket launcher.
51:47>> And he's a and he's got butcher knives attached to his rocket, then yeah, sure.
51:51Uh that is about as bullish as it as it gets. Uh this will be a split backfield.
51:55I'm with Greg on that. But we are, you know, we're looking at, you know, fine margins, small edges in this kind of
52:00seventh, eighth round pocket where both backs are going. And I do think Dow and just in terms of Bellcow upside, he's
52:05got just a little edge there on Warren.
52:08We'll pivot over to the Niners here before we talk Washington's backfield.
52:12The Niners picked up Debo Samuel.
52:14Obviously Ricky Persaw is going to have season ending ending PCL surgery. It's going to be a 9 to 12 month recovery
52:21process for him. Unfortunately, Piol has just been uh just bitten by the injury bug, man. Super unlucky throughout the last couple of years for Psaw. They
52:30signed Debo Samuel. They bring in Don Shribbling who's become, you know, kind of a a best ball uh hero. You know, he's
52:36he was going very very cheap earlier this offseason in kind of the 180s and 190s. He's really screamed up in price
52:42into the 140s and 150s. Now to a point where he's like actually got to be, you know, productive. you don't necessarily
52:48need that production out of him when he's going super late. I've got to, you know, pick your brain a little bit of of
52:53what they've said about Debo. Have they said anything about Deshawn Stribbling and his role kind of in this post Ricky Pieraw world that the Niners now have to
53:00live in?
53:01>> Yeah, I'll start with uh with the Debo quotes. John Lynch on August 1st said that they had been talking to Debo for
53:08about a month and said, quote, "You're going to see him in the return game.
53:12You're going to see him at some receiver. You're going to see him at some running back. we're going to use him all over the field. We're really
53:17excited to have Debo back. We have a lot of history with him. We know the type of player he is. He looks to be in really
53:24good shape." End quote. And then the interim head coach Chris Fster on July 31st said, "When the ball is in Debo
53:31Samuels hands, there's a lot of special things that he can do." So you find as many different ways to get the ball in
53:37his hands so he can impact the game in a special way. We'll look at that and obviously have as many ways as we can to
53:44involve him in the game plan. And then let me pull up real quick what Chris Fster said about Deshaawn Stribbling on
53:55this is July 31st. They asked him what he's seen from Stribbling. Fster said, quote, "I love him. He's very mature for
54:04a young guy. He's learned the book. He's learned the formations. He does things right. He makes plays. He's fast. He's physical. He's got really, really good
54:12hands. The guy's just outstanding.
54:15Everything that our scouting staff and position coaches evaluated him as just seemed to be coming true. It's early.
54:23He's got a long way to go, but for early, he's doing so many things very well. It's impressive." End quote. And
54:30they had previously talked about, I think was uh John Lynch and maybe uh Kyle Shanahan as well. I know offensive coordinator Klay Kubak have also talked
54:38about how he was one of their gold helmet guys uh for the NFL draft and and for them the gold helmet is is is more
54:46like kind of intangibles and meeting room stuff and and in and locker room and like how quickly can a guy pick up on things? How hard uh is he
54:57going to work and like basically can can he pick it up immediately and be a factor for us? and they were very very
55:05high on stribbling and everything that we've heard uh from them and from reports is that yeah man this you can you can talk about his prospect profile
55:14and and and what he was in college I know some people uh are are down on him but this is a guy who whatever his
55:23potential is he will fulfill that he's going to have to fulfill it because at this point you know Christian Kirk's dealing with a calf injury he's been
55:32nicked up Mike Evans is uh you know always good for a yearly hamstring strain. This 49ers team after the Pieraw injury really they had to have some
55:41depth. It's interesting to hear you say they were talking to Debo for a month. I think that is pretty bullish for him and
55:46and what his role is going to be in this offense. He's going to kind of block dribbling. I think as as long as all of
55:52these guys are healthy, of course this is the 49ers caveat here. If everybody stays healthy, which none of them ever do, uh if they do stay healthy, I I do
55:59fully expect Mike Evans leads this team by far in route share. then Debo, then dribbling. There's been some, you know, kind of buzz that Kirk might not make
56:07the team. I don't know if that's necessarily going to be the case anymore, especially after Pierol got hurt. Uh, but yeah, dribbling has been
56:13has been lauded for his blocking potential in this offense. I think that obviously will really matter to Shanahan if he is a good blocker. That's one of
56:20the things he loved about Jawan Jennings in the past is is just how good of a blocker he was. So, if Stribbling can
56:24kind of come in and, you know, make some waves in the pass game as well as the run game as a blocker, it certainly will
56:31get him onto the field. I still think he's really only like kind of like a best ball only pick. Debo Samuel might
56:37have some like lowend wide receiver three value. To me, I think the big key is just getting George KD back and
56:43getting him back in the fold early in September. He should lead this team in targets this season. I'm fully expecting KD and Evans to be the top two at
56:53receiver with Christian McAffrey.
56:54Probably just chalking it up to another 100 targets for McAffrey this year. It's crazy that it's crazy that Macaffer is the only healthy player on this team as
57:01we stand here on August 4th.
57:03>> It's so nuts. Send all these guys to Germany to get some stem stem cell injections.
57:08>> You're not lying. It obviously worked for McAffrey. It worked very well for him after he had the uh the bilateral
57:13Achilles issue there last year. Uh McAffrey did lose maybe a little bit of a step to my eye, but the role is going
57:19to be so freaking good for him this season once again. All right, Greg, we'll finish up here with a Washington backfield breakdown. and we potentially
57:28have three players here in the mix. I'm curious if you've read anything interesting, anything fantasy managers need to know from new offensive
57:37coordinator David Blau. He's taking over from Cliff Kingsbury last season.
57:42They've got kind of a new look backfield here. They they signed Rashad White on a one-year deal. They draft Kron Allen
57:48late. They bring back Jaka Kroski Merritt. What should we kind of expect?
57:52Has Blau said anything to kind of tip his hand on what the roles are going to be here?
57:57So, right after Blau was named offensive coordinator, he stated that he's incredibly confident in what Bill Cross can be in this league as a starting
58:06running back. But then this off seasonason, they have talked about and especially Dan Quinn have talked about this backfield as being an open
58:15competition. Uh Quinn was asked on June 18th whether he feels like he has to have a main guy at running back. Quinn
58:22said, "I think it's probably some main guys in certain parts where it's maybe not going to be one person the entire
58:29time. I don't know yet, but I think we'll for sure be more than just one.
58:34They love Rashad White in the passing game. They've been talking so much uh about his hands and how good he is in
58:41that area and that he has really stood out during the off season. They are working on the pass game stuff with
58:48Crosky Merritt, both the pass catching and the pass protection. If he were able to get that stuff down, I I I think he
58:57would be the the the number one running back there as a runner. I think he clearly has the most juice in in that
59:05back field. So, they they're kind of trying to make him a thing. They're they're they're seeing if he can be uh
59:12just a a guy who can be on the field all the time for them.
59:19Whether it works out, you know, we'll we'll see. May maybe we'll see in the in in the preseason how he's handling pass
59:25protection and if if if they're using him in the pass game there, but um yeah, I it's it's it's a it's a really tough
59:33backfield to figure out. It is a very tough backfield and I think that's the one thing I c keep coming back to is
59:38yeah JaKoy Kroskimera is probably the best early down runner in this offense but it's a little bit like how we talked
59:44about with Chris Rodriguez in the Jags backfield just a moment ago it's like if they really want to try to like kind of
59:49you know disguise what play is coming to me Rashad White is that guy because he is such a good pass catcher White did
59:56have his best season at least underneath the hood on yards after contact missed tackles forced last season that was last last year was his best year yet so if he
60:04can kind of build off of that in a new scheme, new system. I do think there's some sneaky bellcow upside with Rashad
60:10White in a way that there's just probably not with Jaka Crosky Merritt.
60:13But, you know, to Greg's point, this could be just like a complete scratcher head backfield. And every single week, we're kind of just like looking at these
60:20guys as like low-end flex plays. I think a second point finally to make this uh on this on this backfield here is Jaden
60:27Daniels is going to take goal line carries. He's probably going to get about a quarter to 30% of the goal line
60:32work. Obviously, last year Daniels was never fully healthy. He couldn't really be himself, but in his rookie season, that's where he was. He was getting
60:39about 25 to 30% of the carries inside the five, which could kind of hurt the touchdown upside for this backfield as a
60:45whole. I've been drafting Rashad White just like I said, I think he does have some sneaky Bellcow upside. Uh mainly is
60:52just, you know, he's got the passing down upside in a way that Jakori Crosky Merritt probably does not. Greg, this has been fantastic, man. an hour of
61:00Coach Speak Index. Follow him on Twitter, CoachSpeakindex. Greg, thanks so much for coming on, man.
61:06>> Thank you so much for the invite. This was a blast.
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