0:00Ladies and gentlemen, you are watching or listening to Fantasy Football Daily, Brett Whitefield, Scott Barrett. We have to address it. We have to address the
0:08situation. [music] Listen, I I know many people are mad at us.
0:20>> We need to talk about the Chicago Bears.
0:22Many people are are mad at Brett, really more than anything. Uh, and and Brett is a slippery snake. He is He's hard to to
0:32nail down with. What What exactly how are your opinions on the Bears? Do you think this this team's not going to make
0:40the playoffs? Do you think this is not a top five offense? Because it it definitely is going to be.
0:46>> You just want me to hit like the Bears season outlook?
0:50>> Sure. We could go player by player. I I want to know. People on social media are very angry with you. They're saying very
0:57mean things about you. I want to know is this what are your thought? What are your thoughts on the be and then we
1:03could go one by one on on select players or what where actually do you stand?
1:09>> I've been getting hit with with Bears mean tweets since February and Trey producer Trey Motion man is putting some on the screen right now. Word on the
1:18street is you're missing some hair.
1:19Thank you. I didn't I had no idea.
1:21Didn't I had no idea. Um there there's some other hilarious ones I'll let you guys read as we as we talk. But yeah,
1:28this all started because I've been just saying the truth about Caleb Williams. Like there are some factual things about Caleb Williams that I've
1:39stated that have gotten me in trouble with Bears fans for whatever reason. And I I know fandom is a hell of a drug and
1:44I know that uh like I expect fans to defend their guy, right? But the hate and the vitriel that this has created
1:52has been unbelievable.
1:54And so [laughter] yeah, some some of these are just absolute bangers. I love them. Um I for what it's worth, these don't bother me,
2:01so keep sending them my way. I I lay in bed at night with my wife and we just die laughing to some of these because
2:06these are legitimately funny.
2:08>> Do not send me the equivalent of this. I am soft, so I can't handle that, but please. Yeah, more more [snorts] mean
2:14tweets at Brett.
2:16>> I've definitely gotten used to it with the Bears fans. It's it's a love hate relationship. But so let's let's I guess
2:21let's talk Caleb Williams. Let's talk Bears. Let's just do the whole thing.
2:24But um for me with Caleb Williams, like it started >> first. Are the Bears going to make the playoffs this year?
2:32>> No.
2:34>> Uh are they going to have a top five offense in points per game?
2:40>> Could Yeah, I think so. Probably. I I think they might get there. Yeah.
2:44>> Okay. Is Ben Johnson a top three play caller in the league?
2:49>> Top two.
2:50>> Top two. Is Colston Loveland already a top five tight end in the league?
2:56>> Like in terms of just skill or fantasy?
2:59Real football.
2:59>> Real football, not fantasy.
3:00>> I don't think I could crown him that yet, but he's close. I would expect him to be a >> Is Luther Burden an upgrade on DJ Moore?
3:15Probably not.
3:17>> Not yet at least.
3:19>> Okay. Caleb Williams, does is he not one of the most one of the top five most impressive quarterbacks in the league
3:26from a trades perspective?
3:28>> That's probably true. Yeah.
3:30>> Okay. So, how could you hate this this team?
3:34>> Top five tight end.
3:36>> They have like a ridiculous talent, a Tracy quarterback, a brilliant offensive play caller.
3:44traitsy quarterback that doesn't actually play quarterback yet. Um, listen, fantasy points data suite has pretty much everything you need to see.
3:52But one of my evaluation points on Caleb coming out is the accuracy was severely lacking. And on top of that, he
3:59fundamentally refuses to run the offense the way it's designed to be run. And this got him in trouble a ton in
4:06college, especially his final year at USC. This got him in trouble a ton as a rookie. And it got him in trouble a ton
4:12last year in his first year with Ben Johnson to the point where like Ben Johnson was adamantly displeased with the pass game that was
4:21that was unfolding in front of our eyes during the regular season last year. He had multiple comments about the pass game being less than sufficient. And
4:30Caleb Williams is the engine of that. He didn't directly call out Caleb Williams for it, but he is the engine of that.
4:35Most of the critique Ben Johnson had with the pass game starts with the quarterback. Um, but when you look at the catchable throw rate over the last
4:43uh two years, Caleb Williams is second to last in catchable ball rate >> from a clean pocket.
4:50>> It No, it's in general.
4:52>> Oh, then both. Yeah.
4:54>> Yeah. The only the only quarterback that was that's been worse with among 35 qualifiers and catchable ball rate was Cam Ward. But he's stuck
5:03between guys like Michael Pennix and Russell Wilson and Cam Ward. Like this is not good company. And then you you you think about the fact like you know
5:12we chart who's responsible for pressure at at you know fantasy points data and Caleb Williams is responsible for more pressure that he faces than any other
5:22quarterback in the league. Now he did do a good job avoiding sacks last year. I would say that that's not going to be
5:27sticky or predictive considering the nature in which he plays. Like he just plays Matador style quarterback where he's inviting pressure into his life. He
5:36has the highest average time to throw among all quarterbacks the last two seasons over three seconds per drop back. Um and then the he's gotten some
5:45turnover luck as well. Like his turnover throw rate last year was 3%. He didn't he didn't throw you know three he didn't
5:51have a 3% interception rate. Um the fumbles untimely fumbles were were bad especially as a rookie. Um he just he's been crowned way too soon for me and I
6:03don't understand the disconnect. I know he's made some really flashy, amazing plays at the end of games. I know he's put on the hero cape and willed his team
6:12to victory a couple times. The problem with some of that line of thinking though is like the hole they were in was
6:18strictly because of Caleb Williams.
6:20Strictly because gosh, Scott, you had a stat last year that was just awesome.
6:25Like on non uh game script drives, Caleb Williams was like awful for the first half of the season.
6:33So, like they come out like the first 10 plays, they're scripted.
6:37>> Caleb Williams is great and then all of a sudden just nothing until the fourth quarter. Now, he definitely ironed that
6:42out somewhat in the second half of the season. And I guys, I think Kayla Williams is an ascending player, so let's not throw the baby out with the
6:47bathwater. I do think he's an ascending player. I do think he has the physical traits to be a great a truly great
6:54quarterback in the league, but he's not even close to that yet.
6:59Like you look at the top guys in the league whether it's you know you want to call Patrick Mahomes or or Josh Allen or
7:07you know think Tom Brady and you know at the end of his career um Joe Burrow it's like these guys just
7:14can fundamentally run the offense at such a high level like one of my favorite stats for Pat Mahomes for for people that think Caleb is the
7:23next Pat Mahomes has had four seasons where he has had positive EPA on throws at the line of scrimmage or within nine
7:32yards of the line of scrimmage. There's only seven instances of that happening in NFL history. And Pat Mahomes is four of those. Freaking four of them. Like
7:42you can't compare the two guys. And that's the comp where like the NFL is in this habit of we're just chasing the
7:48next Pat Mahomes, the next out of structure demon who can go win with his legs and make extend plays and make
7:53stuff happen.
7:54>> You're talking about Jackson Dart, >> right? the next Patrick Mahomes at a structured demon.
7:59>> You're just never going to find that guy. You're never going to find like cuz Pat Mahomes can do that, but he also can
8:05just run the offense at such an obscenely high level that he doesn't have to do that all the time. He can
8:11actually just, you know, make the smart right throw on 95% of the snaps and then the the f I love this liver king one.
8:18Sorry. [laughter] The liver king thinks Williams is back. That's great. I truly thought that was funny. Um, yeah. So, it's just again to to completely sum up
8:27my thoughts, Caleb Williams is an ascending player with a fantastic play caller, but he's not there yet. Most fraudulent Madden cover in in Madden
8:35history, probably. I'd have to ask Thomas Tipple about that actually. But, >> but but he but Brett, he has the the
8:41clutch gene. He makes he makes plays that like >> maybe only four other quarterbacks in the league can make, if that. I only
8:51Stafford, Mahomes, Caleb were making, you know, some of the could make the the plays that Caleb made.
8:57>> Yeah, I'm sure they're one or two plays a game at most. Go look at the play that ended the Bears season. He completely
9:05misread a coverage, completely misread a safety rotation, falsely identified it as as a as a quarter's look, and he completely botched the play and threw a
9:15pick to end their end their season. So like yeah, for every hero play there is a a bad play in there that that ends
9:22drives. So >> So >> actually I wanted to look at like where his EPA is per dropback.
9:30Um yeah, I mean he's 25th in the NFL the last two years.
9:38>> Yeah.
9:38>> Is is that amazing? Like especially what is he with just Ben Johnson? Let's look at that.
9:45um 14th in the NFL last year with the best play caller in the NFL and and a lot of that is just he takes so many
9:53freaking negative plays, man.
9:57>> Yeah. So, so my thoughts on this, you know, largely derived from, you know, the conversations we h we've had is yes,
10:05Caleb Williams makes these insane wow plays that only a few other quarterbacks can make. It's really cool, but it's also overrated. Uh, these are rare events
10:16that matter statistically less than being a consistently accurate passer who avoids negative plays. The highlight reel throws stick in the back of the
10:28mind of the average fan.
10:31So much so that like it's being weighted as if it's equivalent to making 99 out of a 100red easy completions or it
10:40cancels out three turnover worthy throws plus four sacks. It just doesn't work like that. It's not even close. And that's why Brett and like real film
10:50evaluators and former coaches um and anonymous scouts kind of all say the same thing is that
11:00um you know he's he's kind of overrated.
11:02He kind of has really good rapport. Uh he is kind of propped up by a great supporting cast. Um you know this is a a
11:11fantasy show from a fantasy perspective.
11:14I I mean to be fair he's he's really priced at his ceiling. He's QB7 on sleepers, QB7 on Yahoo, >> but like yeah, what is he like QB10 in
11:24my own rankings? Like that's he's I I He's a guy who runs. He's in a great offense. Uh I think the Bears defense if
11:32if they're a little bad and like I love Ben Johnson. Like Ben Johnson is talking about breaking the Denver Broncos record
11:41for most points per game this season.
11:43Like that that's exactly what you want to hear. and this guy is a driven genius lunatic. Like he could actually get that
11:49done even if his quarterback's not that great. But also like you know devil's advocate argument is like I I was very
11:56negative on rookie season Caleb Williams and it was not just the catchable throw rate but it was also a historically bad
12:04pressure to sack. And I know they massively upgraded that offensive line in the offseason. That's typically a quarterback sat. And he went from worst
12:12in the league to average, slightly above average. And I know you were you were saying he was kind of inviting pressure
12:20himself. And I'm, you know, fleeing from the pocket in instances where there wasn't pressure and uh doing things like that that maybe the average fan isn't
12:28going to pick up on. I know you're big into like >> football IQ and, you know, uh quick processing and hitting the open guy and
12:36whatnot. And I know Ben Johnson by our data is the best play caller in the league at scheming receivers open. And
12:43again, it was a good supporting cast, but hey, he did show us at least in one way he he leveled up massively. And so
12:49maybe we could see that with elite coaching with the right support system around him, he could level up again and finish above average in catchable throw
12:58rate and force you to wear a Caleb Williams jersey every day on this show, which was the bet we made.
13:05>> It's just not going to happen. I mean, >> how confident are you? Why Why are you This reeks of hubris,
13:12>> Scott, we have like this has been a thing since he was a freshman in college. The accurate throw stuff.
13:18>> How could that be true when he was the best prospect since Andrew Luck >> because I just explained it because
13:24there Yeah, he wasn't first one, he wasn't even close to the best prospect prospect since Andrew Luck. But people are chasing Patrick Mahomes. That's what
13:31they they want some, you know, out of structure phenomenon. And >> it's Jackson Dart.
13:38>> Sure. I also just want to point out >> chasing the next Patrick Mahomes, the conversations around Jackson Dart would be much different. That's all I'm
13:45saying.
13:45>> Yeah. I also just want to like point out if you if you don't uh if you don't for whatever reason trust fantasy points
13:52data like the charting component you could there's a million metrics you can still use that are completely black and white completely empirical to show you
14:02that Caleb Williams is like middle of the pack or worse and literally every major efficiency metric whether it was completion percentage over expectation
14:09he's dramatically below average whether it was success rate or uh adjusted uh yards yards per attempt or passer rating, EPA per it doesn't matter. He's
14:21literally bottom 10 in everything, but you got those five plays in the back of your mind. So, I I don't know. I
14:27don't want to beat a dead horse, but like he has not arrived yet. He needs to take a big step forward. Um, by the way,
14:33the Bears defense is going to be horrendous this year. So, that is um something to talk about. up.
14:39>> Yeah. The only quarterbacks worse by completion percentage over expectation last year, Aaron Rogers, Michael Penn, Cam Ward, uh an injured Baker Mayfield
14:48and CJ Stroud. Um >> Yeah.
14:51>> Oh, can I make one more point? So, like you talk about the hero throws, we chart those. He's actually below average in
14:57hero throw rate.
14:58>> Oh, yeah.
14:59>> Yeah.
14:59>> Which is hilarious.
15:00>> Yeah.
15:01>> It's literally just that when he's done it, it's been in bright light moments. I just don't Is there such thing as a
15:07clutch gene? There for sure is some players just have a knack for making that play in the big moment. I would
15:12argue though that over the to totality of the NFL that is not a sticky thing that like that those hero throws in the
15:18big time moments is just not something you're you can count on to consistently happen year over year. So >> right >> got a long way to go.
15:26>> So you you have my word no more negativity on the Bears for at least at least a month. You have my word
15:31>> at least a day or something. At least a day or something.
15:34>> But but you were the only one who who caught flack. I I caught flack as well and I I catch a ton of it. Um, this is
15:40like my least popular take. People think I'm an idiot for saying I don't think Coulson Lovelin is
15:48a good pick at cost. And I get that we had, you know, a sound bite from this show that was 45 seconds long that went
15:57out on Twitter and very angry comments that I didn't reply to because what I what could I say?
16:04It's, hey, this was like 30 seconds taken out of context from a 9minute. Why don't you go listen to the 9minute rant?
16:10And you're not going to do that. But so I'll just address it here. It's like the dumbest thing in the world is me saying
16:17is like, "Yeah, Colston Lo's a bad pick at cost." And hearing that is like Scott hates Colston Loveland. And it's like
16:25no, that's the second order thinking. It's it's relative to cost. It's I mean it's it's it's it's nuanced. It's so Coulson
16:36Lovelin I think is an insanely talented player. I think he's Yeah, it looked like he broke out in those final four
16:43games last year. He saw an uptick in usage and he was the real focal point of the offense. He was putting up like
16:50super Trey McBride numbers, super Brock Bowers. He was like a alpha wide receiver one and he looked incredible and this was a player I was really high
17:00on. I I was I was pounding the table so hard for him uh before the draft that his mom followed me on Twitter and I
17:08DM'd with his mom. I love Coulson Lovelin. I had a tweet saying like >> sounds like you love his mom. [laughter]
17:15>> I had a tweet saying he's like a top three tight end in the league already from an NFL perspective. Uh and people
17:21are like we're jumping the shark on on Coloulston Lovelin. You're this is so stupid. You're too high on it. And then
17:28and then I say from a fantasy perspective, I don't want to draft. And like I hate him now. It it doesn't make
17:33sense. It's what's going on here is I'm telling you, yeah, he's kind of priced at a ceiling.
17:40He's the tight end three on every single format. Um and there Trey McBride just broke records. Brock Bowers is the best
17:49tight end of all time. And so yeah, he is kind of priced at a ceiling where none of the risk is is is factored in
17:58it. Listen, I penned my self-proclaimed Magnumopus upside wins championships.
18:02It's upside wins championships. It's not downside is irrelevant. And there is real downside here. It is it is really the case that when Cole KT was healthy,
18:12it took 14 or so games.
18:15>> That's the quote that got you in trouble. Actually, you said 15. He did absolutely nothing for 15 weeks.
18:21So with Cole KT healthy, it was Yeah, it took until week 14, week 15, whatever it was for him to break out. But that's
18:29like a a really low, you have a 4 game sample size of great and then you have a 15 14 week sample of nothing. And like
18:37people are like, "Oh, that doesn't matter at all. All that matters is the four game sample." at this price point.
18:43I'm telling you, you you have to be 93% sure to 95% sure that he is exactly who he was in those final four weeks and
18:54those first 15 weeks tell you absolutely nothing because it it is true that he didn't do really anything at all with
19:02Cole KT healthy. He went nuclear in the Bengals game, but the Bengals had the worst defense against tight ends in multiple decades. Yeah. If not ever.
19:10Yeah. And it's also like those four games came with fluky extreme negative game script. Like it was wild. Every single one of those games the Bears
19:20trailed uh over 75% of the time. Like the entire rest of the season there were only like two instances of that
19:28happening. And like that's the thing is whenever you have extreme negative game script like that, you're always going to score a ton of fantasy points. like
19:36Hunter Henry averaged like 28 fantasy points per game when trailing 75 plus% of the time and Trey McBride was like, you know, 29. And so, yeah, like that's
19:47a real thing that like bolsters Caleb Williams, bolsters Luther Burden, bolsters Coulson Lovelin. If you're only looking at those final four games,
19:55that's Chris Wex. That's part of his hesitancy on the Bears. He's a lot lower on them. He's like, "The math doesn't
20:00check out for uh Coulson to be as high as he is, Luther Burden to be as high as he and so I I'm I'm I'm somewhat
20:10uh I I I I can get that. I understand that. But the really really big thing to me here and again why it's not he hates
20:19Coulson Lovelin. No, it's it's because the burden of proof is massively on you.
20:25It's It's just like one of the biggest rookie mistakes in the game, Brett, is drafting a quarterback or a tight end in
20:32the first four rounds, right? And I Okay, maybe Trey McBride you can make a case for because hey, he just scored the
20:38second or third most fantasy points by a tight end ever. Brock Bowers, okay, similar arg.
20:48But it's it's I'm telling you, if you take Coulson Lovelin, it's a fun pick.
20:52It's a sexy pick. He's an awesome player to root for, but you are going to like your team so much more had you not done
20:59that. Like if if at the end of your draft you took Coloulston Lovelin, you're looking at it, you're like, you know, you know, if I just I just took a
21:07wide receiver there or I took a running back there and then I took Tucker Craft or George KD late, you would like that
21:13team so much more. And so it's very much a it's like having cotton candy for dessert for for dinner. You know, you
21:20got to eat your vegetables. Upside win championships. Power law players or running backs and wide receivers. Those are the positions that really matter.
21:29Those are the positions that determine whether or not you lose win or lose your championship. Uh, you know, really driving the impact in terms of wins
21:36above replacements. It's generally a bad move taking a tight end that early who only has four good games in his career and, you know,
21:48was just a part-time player for the the vast sworth of the season.
21:53>> I don't know.
21:54>> No, no, I like it. I think that was good.
21:57>> That that was solid of you to get that off your chest. That's been eaten eaten away at you since we did that episode.
22:02>> Yeah. But hey, I'm actually a big Luther Burton guy, even at cost. Yeah, >> Chris Wet isn't, but uh or projections
22:08guy, but yeah, we debated him. Uh very in on on Luther Bird. And again, it's like positional value. Uh it just the
22:16wide receiver position matters a lot more in fantasy. He's cheaper than Coulson Lovelin, who dude, again, Coulson Lovelin goes ahead of Zay
22:25Flowers on Yahoo, ahead of T. Higgins on ESPN, and I could just not get on board with that. But Luther Burton, uh a
22:31couple rounds cheaper. So, uh, yeah, that that is a Bears player I'm weigh in on. I I also kind of like DeAndre Swift
22:38a little bit.
22:39>> Where's Rome going, Scott?
22:41>> Who cares where Rome's going? It's the Luther Burden show, baby.
22:44>> I care where their wide receiver one's going. I think that's important to tell tell the audience.
22:49>> What has What has Romo Dunce ever showed you to think he could be the wide receiver one over Luther Burden, who
22:55just had the best rookie for route run since OBJ?
22:57>> On tape, he's been significantly better.
23:00And then Ben Johnson proceeded to run his offense through him when he was healthy for the first eight games last year. So [snorts] those two things I
23:06think are pretty significant. The offense has never been run through Luther Burton. Not one game. Not actually here's a fun stat on Luther
23:13Burn. He had more games with negative receiving yards last year than he did as a wide receiver one or two finish.
23:19That's hilarious.
23:22And this is your king. More games with negative receiving yards. You know how hard it is to do that then as a wide
23:29receiver one or two. That is flipping unbelievable. Anyways, we just spent 25 minutes talking about the Bears. Can we move on?
23:36>> Sure.
23:37>> Okay. You wanted to talk Chris Ave.
23:40>> What What's on your mind? This is This was your addition to the mailbag. It wasn't a uh you know subscriber or
23:47an avid listener of the show. It was It was you. You put Crystal Live here.
23:51What's What's up? [laughter] >> Yeah. So, so Jordan Tyson suffered an injury that's going to extend into the season. Jeff Mueller, our injury expert,
24:00generally optimistic is just like straight up black pilling. Like, it's over, guys. It's so over. Uh, and so I was down on Chris Olive
24:10because I I don't know. I I saw a pathway for like Jordan Tyson to actually be the PPR cheat code in this
24:17offense. Chris Lave still productive but maybe not top 12 fantasy wide receiver production and now you remove Jordan Tyson from the equation and you know it
24:26makes you Yeah, I got to I got to think twice on this.
24:31>> Um and so [clears throat] I don't I feel like I don't have a great argument against it. So like I I really
24:38want to hear yours. Um but to me it's Yeah. Well, before last year, Chris Olive never really separated from Rasheed
24:50Shahid. Like on a per target or per route basis, Rasheed either bested him or was just like slightly behind him.
24:56They were basically tied. And >> how big is the sample of them together on the field?
24:59>> Two years. It's pretty big.
25:00>> No, games wise, they both miss a ton of time in in 2024.
25:05In fact, like when when uh Kubak was there, he had like his starting skill players, I think, in four games the
25:11whole season.
25:13Well, to be Yeah. So, it was you could go 2022 to 2023 or 2022 to 2024. Uh either way, it still holds true. So,
25:22even if you remove the Clint Kubiaak season, it still holds where it's basically tied in in yards per route run. And so, there there's just that,
25:30but like Ryan Heath's counter argument is like, "Yeah, dude. Rashahed's awesome. We love Rashahi. What are you talking about?
25:36>> He's good and also not on the team anymore." So, >> Right. Right. But then it's also he it really felt like he fell into a dream
25:44landing spot. Tyler Shuck fell into a dream landing spot last year where once Tyler Shuck took over, he was really the
25:53or they had the softest schedule in the league by far. And it wasn't just Rasheed Shahed got traded. It was also
26:01Devon Vi got hurt. And the last three games Devon Vi played or like right up until that injury, he had more targets
26:10than Chris Olive. He had uh more yards than Chris Olive. And so this is sort of like the the counterargument. There's
26:18more nuance here. I think Olive was a little banged up in one of those games.
26:22Um so there's a little new but it's but it's yeah, this is the downside. The the upside argument is easy is hey just in
26:31games with Tyler Shuck last year he averaged 8.9 targets per game 18.8 fantasy points per game easy top 12 numbers
26:41but I don't know. So I I want to I want to hear your thoughts. You need to be the film guy here. It's it's Oh, Tyler
26:47Shuck's awesome. The the play caller's awesome and Olaf is awesome. First of all, do you when you wake up every morning, do you like just go out go to
26:56your daily checklist things I have to do and then check off I want the name Karens to come after me in full force.
27:03>> The name Karen?
27:04>> Yeah, cuz you said Devon Vi.
27:06>> Oh god, I know. What? Why do I do this?
27:08>> Who is Devon Vi? Like there's going to be some name Karen in the YouTube comments saying the the most basic thing
27:16you can do for human decency is to get a person's name right. You It's like every day we have a new one with you. You know
27:21what I mean? So, just >> the rule is the rule is you you have to uh have a season with more than two
27:28fantasy wins above replacement in order for me to pronounce your name correctly.
27:33So, you got >> I think it's a completely awesome rule.
27:37Um, all right. So, here's the thing with Olaf. I think this is one of my biggest disagreements with Chris. He's projecting as the what the wide receiver
27:4510 in fantasy points per game right now.
27:46He was a wide receiver seven last year and I think you could argue the ecosystem is even better. Year two of
27:51Kell Moore, year two of Tyler Shuck. The offensive line is in a really good spot.
27:56They're they they improved the run game a little bit with with Travis Aan. I know he's not super sexy from a metric
28:03standpoint, but I do think he's better than what they got last year out of the backfield. So, um and then you you you
28:09talk about the tape. Chris Ave is fantastic dude. He truly is a fantastic receiver. one of the better route runners, route technicians in the
28:17league. Um, his separation burst, getting out of his breaks is incredible as well. I I'm a big Chris Olive guy.
28:25Um, you know, there's things he doesn't do well. He's not a good run after catch threat, not a guy design screens to. I'd
28:31pin him on the boundary or or as a vertical player out of the slot and just let him cook. And that's primarily what
28:36he's done. And he's fantastic. He's pretty good on um pretty much any route into the boundary. He's really fantastic there.
28:43He's good on the vertical plane as well.
28:45I think, you know, the track record with Kell Moore and number one wide receivers is also really strong where you're like,
28:51"Okay, I think this is repeatable." I think at worst he's probably wide receiver seven again this year. I'm drafting him ahead of like Drake London
28:59right now. I'm drafting him ahead of Rashi Rice right now.
29:02>> Um I think you get to Jefferson, that's when I really start to talk about it.
29:08>> So, >> wow. Um, yeah. I mean, and then Nico Collins, I you know how I feel about Nico and with with uh Higgins gone, I'm
29:15I'm all in on Nico. I take Nico ahead of Justin Jefferson right now, too. So, but point being is like I I think Ave is
29:21good. I think he's excellent and I think we're Chris is under projection on him.
29:26Chris is right all the time, though. So, who knows? But yeah, I'm I'm all in on Olave. You should be too, Scott. You
29:32should be too.
29:32>> Okay, that's good to know.
29:35>> All right. Uh let's move on. If you were >> Hey, real quick. I I for your your Caleb Williams bet, here's
29:42here's here's what it should be.
29:43>> Oh god.
29:44>> Here's what it should be.
29:45>> Above average in catchable throw rate.
29:48He is uh you have to wear a Caleb jersey every day for a month on the show. If he's But if he's top 12 in catchable
29:56throw rate, you also have to paint your nails for the show.
30:01>> I I'm not doing that. [laughter] >> Well, you're scared. You clearly you don't hold a lot of conviction.
30:07>> I am scared to put myself in a situation where I have to paint my nails. I'm a grown adult. I'm 38 years old.
30:12>> All right. Well, next uh next question we have uh is from a super chatter.
30:18Harry Henry47.
30:20What is a special factoid or tidbit from from both of you guys? Um interesting. Good question.
30:29Thanks for that, Harry. Um >> I don't see this on the show sheet. I I'll go first. I I can I can interesting
30:37factoid about me is I could actually bench press twice as much as Brett Whitefield.
30:44>> Yeah.
30:45>> What's your interesting fact?
30:48>> Um >> Brett can't read. He's [laughter] Brett is illiterate.
30:54That's Isn't that crazy that he >> What is happening right now?
30:57>> I mean he's a football X's and O's savant but he he can't read. Scott, I don't even think you could bench your
31:03body weight. And I definitely can read.
31:06>> Yeah. Well, then you you bench half of my body weight. That's crazy.
31:13>> You're so ridiculous. Um, but for what it's worth, bench is not my best lift.
31:17If you want to get into that, get in the weeds on this.
31:20>> What's your What's your best lift?
31:21>> And it's funny cuz I'm only Yeah, I'm only 5'11 and I've got a a short arm build. You know, >> 5'11 in high heels.
31:29My [laughter] >> Trey, what is what is going on? It's got all of a sudden a Bears fan here. Like what is happening? You want to talk
31:36about the gap in my teeth? Look at I'm balding over here. You want to see that, too? My god, man. Um, yeah. I don't I
31:42don't bench.
31:43>> You should You should buy a wig.
31:47>> I think that'd be a good look for you.
31:48>> You should buy a Mkin.
31:50>> What is that?
31:51>> You told me before.
31:52>> Google it.
31:53>> Yeah.
31:53>> Um, anyways, yeah. Bench not my strongest. I just I don't know. I've never really committed to being awesome at the bench. I don't enjoy it as much
32:00as I like squatting and deadlifting. So, I I pull a lot of weight. I mean, my bench isn't terrible. It's still four
32:05times your body weight probably, but it's not bad. Anyways, can we get to a real question now?
32:10>> How many push-ups can you do?
32:12>> Oh my god. I don't know. Oh, well over.
32:14You mean in one in one sitting without stopping?
32:16>> Five or six >> push-ups, Scott? Over a hundred >> in one in one go.
32:22>> Yeah.
32:22>> Okay.
32:23>> I do push-ups every day. [laughter] Uh, pull-ups. I can do >> have to drop and do How about How about
32:30that's If Caleb Williams wins more than four games this year, you have to you have to do a thousand push-ups live on stream.
32:40>> Do you see what [laughter] >> All right, we're a little We're a little off the rails here.
32:45>> A word that you know >> um you ever seen uh there's a show on HBO.
32:51Gosh, what is it? It's a like old kind of wild west.
32:55>> Deadwood. Great show.
32:56>> Deadwood. Yes, it was referenced on Deadwood once. Anyways, >> great show.
33:01>> Uh, another new question. If you were an NFL head coach or offensive coordinator, who would it be? What how did this make
33:08the show sheets guy? What are you doing here? This >> Yeah, so this is a great question. Um, so I'm not Mike McDaniel. I'm not cringe
33:19enough to be Mike McDaniel. I'm not I'm not uh I don't have I'm too tall to be Shawn McVey. I don't have the same
33:27>> Shawn McVey is a short king. What do you He's like 5'7.
33:30>> Yeah, I said I'm too tall to be Sean.
33:32>> Oh, too tall. My bad. My bad.
33:33>> I don't have the Napoleon complex thing going on that that drives him to be great. I'm not competent enough to be Kyle Shanahan. I
33:43I think I think Shawn Payeyton there's this legendary story of Shawn Payeyton where he's just like this hilarious Like there's a million Shawn
33:52Peyton stories, but this one's the best one.
33:55>> Is uh at a preseason game, another coach like called him up and was like, "Hey, let's let's just take it easy. Let's uh
34:01you know, we don't want our guys to get hurt. You know, no play action, no motion, no uh stunts, no." And uh Shawn
34:10Peyton was apparently like, "Fuck that.
34:12I'm not kissing your ring. No, no, no. I don't agree to that." And then he uh he just calls all out blitz for the first
34:1915 plays of the game. Almost gets their the opposing team starting quarterback killed. And then he wins the game like this meaningless preseason game 47 to to
34:29three. Um >> don't ever say preseason doesn't matter right there, Sean. It mattered to Shawn Payeyton. You know, >> that [laughter] mattered in that one. I
34:36just think that's so funny. Uh he he's also like one of the more underrated guys. So like who would I want to be
34:43that's like realistic is probably Shawn Peyton. But you're going to say I'm what? I'm Matt Ngi. You're going to say I'm
34:50>> No, like Zack Taylor.
34:52>> Zack [laughter] Zack Taylor.
34:53>> You come from a long lineage of really smart guys, but they just stop just shy of you, you know?
34:59>> Well, I feel like I know who you are.
35:01>> Probably.
35:03>> Dan Campbell.
35:04>> Of course. 100%.
35:05>> Of course. Of course, >> dude. He's the man. He is so sick. He is so cool. You also both chug like five
35:12gallons of coffee, but >> personalitywise is that is the one to one, right? Or most one to one, I should say.
35:18>> Well, Robert Salah maybe a little bit.
35:20>> Yeah. And I I like I've spent some time with Rob in in real life, so yeah, it's it's a good one. Big big fan of his.
35:28>> Yeah.
35:28>> Yeah, I could see that. definitely more of a leader of men, you know, than uh than like the the nerdy X's and O's Ben
35:35Johnson type.
35:36>> Yeah, if if we're going off of bench press and you're perfectly Dan Campbell probably and I'm perfectly uh Mike McDaniel.
35:43>> Well, here's a good anecdote to support that. So, for those that don't know, Dan, when guys mess up in practice, he
35:49makes him do burpees >> and he does burpees with them. It's like, oh, if if I make you do 15, I'm
35:57I'm the coach. I'm going to lead. I'm going to drop and do. So, I coach soccer. I the same thing. Any
36:02consequence I give out to a player, I also do the con. If it's if it's a lap, I run a lap. If it's push-ups, I do the
36:08push-ups. So, um I got that from Dan.
36:10It's a great great leadership tactic.
36:12All right, let's move on. Who are you drafting reddraft? If you can take one, Casey Conpsion or Denzel Boston,
36:22this is Why is this even a question? You know my answer.
36:25>> It's Casey Conpion.
36:27>> Yeah, he's got pronouncing that right this time.
36:29>> I Well, you did and you really emphasized this like >> Casey Rolls. That's the key saying his name.
36:36>> Um, it's Yeah, he's got Antonio Brown level upside. So, >> Antonio Brown level upside, dude. I don't know that I don't know that Justin
36:45Jefferson has Antonio Brown level upside.
36:47>> He did once upon a time.
36:50>> I just mean like AB is one of one. You have to explain what you mean by that comp. You're you're you're saying he
36:56could be a Hall of Famer?
36:58>> Yeah, I think he probably could be. Not predicting him to be, but I I mean, just kind of joking. It's a it's a hyperbolic
37:06comp, but when I watch Casey Conception move, it reminded me of a young Antonio Brown as all like the way he he plays
37:12way bigger than his size, fantastic route runner, insane with the ball in his hands, that that was all AB described AB.
37:20>> Yeah. So, that's also my answer. um certainly had the better analytics profile. And then uh Todd Monin, you know, last year, the last two years with
37:30Zay Flowers, uh was really just like an amazing setup for him where he was, you know, no wide receiver was on the field
37:38more in heavy personnel, which is a cheat code for maximizing your targets per route run, yards per route run. Uh also designed targets, screens. Uh it
37:47was just this great setup. And then you had Todd Mon say right after they drafted Casey that he reminded him of a
37:55bigger Z Flowers. And you're kind of hearing some of the beats talk about, you know, a similar role where this is
38:02like an insanely screenheavy offense, which makes sense given how bad the quarterbacks are. And so that kind of mitigates the accuracy concerns we have
38:11with Shadur or Deshun Watson. I will say though like I don't know that there has been a bigger like practice hype darling this off
38:22seasonason than Denzel Boston >> early in camp that was true. KC's now stolen that it's every day with KC.
38:29Yeah, >> I do know I do know KC has been coming on hot and strong.
38:32>> Yeah.
38:33>> Um it's it's also Jerry Judy by the way is like the the beat writers are just flat out saying these rookies are so
38:39much better. So um yeah, that's really encouraging. Uh, I really like KC. I Here, here's a spoiler. Uh, FFPC Exodia,
38:48the the price on Casey Conception is so low.
38:52>> Really? Even with Theo doing all these drafts, >> bro? Theo and I just set the [laughter] main event record for the highest Casey
38:59has ever gone in a draft. We felt good about it. He's like, he's like, well, he's gonna go around before where we
39:04took him in September. So, >> yeah. Scott. Um, I love the Z Flowers thing, by the way, because when I wrote
39:13up Zay, I I talked about how he was the love child of Antonio Brown and Stefan Diggs from a play style standpoint. And
39:19then my good friend Cody Carpentier, who's a great draft an analyst and evaluator, his actual conference a Flowers.
39:27>> No, you can't. I promise you that. I can't bench more than Cody.
39:30>> Um, there are a lot of the NFL players who can't bench more than Cody.
39:34>> That's very true. I'll take him in the deadlift by like several hundred pounds probably, but he he can definitely bench
39:38more than me. Um, anyways, his his comp for Z Flowers was Antonio Brown and then his comp for Casey Conception was Antonio Brown. So,
39:46I I love the the dot connect.
39:48>> You know who hates that comp?
39:50>> Who?
39:51>> Antonio Brown.
39:52>> For sure. For sure. Um, well, I wanted to ask you about another rookie who I was very low on,
40:02>> but who looks very good in preeason, >> Mike Washington.
40:06>> And that's and it comes on the heels of a video we dropped, a very unpopular video we just dropped, >> that is critical of Ashen Genty.
40:16>> I nailed it. I knew this.
40:17>> How bullish should we be on Mike Washington? How worried should Ashen Genty Dynasty owners be about Mike Washington?
40:26>> I don't define worried. Define like for Dynasty. I think you're probably okay. I think he's still going to be a a
40:32fantastic back in a much improved situation. I think he's still a he's still a really good despite what the last video we published on the topic
40:40said. I believe Ashen Genty was a fantastic prospect.
40:44>> Yeah.
40:44>> So, he was my RB1 in the class by a lot.
40:48uh I think top 12 all time for me in like 11 years of doing this. So like I'm not not low on Genty, but good players
40:56get on the field and I do think what you're seeing is Mike Washington is a good player. So for reddraft purposes,
41:00yeah, maybe it should temper your expectations a little bit because I do think there's enough there with Washington where at at minimum he's a
41:07change of pace guy for them. He's like, "Hey, let's keep some carries off of of Genty and keep him fresh and Washington
41:14can handle that burden at minimum." At worst, you're like, maybe this gets to a 6535 thing and that's a little scary for
41:22reddraft, right? So, dynasty wise though, he might not be what you held out for when you tanked in your league and drafted him with the 101 that year.
41:30He might not end up being that, but you can survive. He'll still be a good player for you, still be a starter. Um,
41:36you know, and we're considering worst case scenarios here. As far as reddraft goes though, he's not he won't pay off around 180B, I don't think.
41:44>> Yeah.
41:44>> So, yeah. Is Is that sufficient? Do you want more?
41:48>> No, that's good. Yeah. I I I think that's I mean, he's a good handcuff just because there's nothing else and we're,
41:57you know, assuming 250 plus carries, like 50 plus targets for Ashen Ginty, but >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Washington looks
42:07great. Um, my eval on him was like big, physical, explosive with underrated hands and pass probability. It's a pretty good combo. Like he's like Omari
42:16and Hampton Light except he was correctly drafted in the fourth round.
42:20Like that's where you should be drafting running backs, not in the first, right?
42:22So like but as far as a skill set goes, he's a little looser of an athlete than Hampton actually. But very linear in in
42:30the way they play. Um, you see a little bit more patience in vision with Washington actually, which which was surprised me because I I didn't think
42:36that was a strong suit at Arkansas. So, >> his analytics profile was so bad. If I were a UFFL team, I wouldn't have signed
42:43him.
42:44>> Stop.
42:45>> I'm just like like the analytics are only as good as the analytics we get. I I'm It was awful. Awful. But yeah, like
42:53I mean, so the fact that you loved his tape matters more than >> What was it like force mistack or something? What was he so bad at that
42:59you raw accounting stats?
43:01>> No, it was literally everything. Yeah, it was it was like >> Sorry, go ahead.
43:07>> It was fifth was I mean you I think we did an episode on it for film versus analytics, but it was it was like first
43:15percentile.
43:17Oh yeah. So he he spent three years at Buffalo where he averaged like 4.1 yards per carry. This is a a MAC conference
43:26school where the competitions then a uh conference USA school New Mexico State where he was just like mid and then
43:35Arkansas last year where okay 6.4 yards were but it was it was like first percentile numbers or like below thresholds where there's like literally
43:45no one who's ever done anything.
43:47>> Interesting. You know he he shared a backfield at New Mexico State with an NFL running back.
43:53>> Yeah. Who was that running back?
43:55>> Um I'm >> the Penn State guy.
43:59>> Why can't I remember? What the heck?
44:01>> Seth McGawan.
44:02>> Yes. Seth McGallen. Yeah. Yeah.
44:05>> Yeah. Who's going to win the Colts backup running back job? Sounds like.
44:08>> You think so?
44:09>> That's That's the word on the street.
44:11All right, let's Can we we do one more and get out of here? I have another show I have to do, unfortunately. Um
44:18will you pick one of these because I think they're all good questions.
44:24Uh, what is what is the offense that you think is going to surprise people the most?
44:30>> I think Jacksonville could put up >> top top three numbers in just about every category.
44:35>> So, that's the easy answer. That would have been >> Sorry, I don't Okay, >> they right now Vegas has Jacksonville
44:43projected to be 16th in points per game.
44:46>> Chris and I both have them top six easy.
44:49>> Yeah. Um, >> and like that's what you saw in the second half last year. I know that was a soft strength of schedule that's gotten
44:54a lot tougher, but no, I I feel really good that I'm right and Vegas is wrong.
44:59And like you should never feel Well, I guess I guess with props kind of like this, maybe it's a little different, but
45:05um yeah. Well, that's that's an answer.
45:08What about a a more a spicier one?
45:12>> A spicier one? H gota >> Could the Could the Raiders be great with Fernando Mendoza? Is it poss era levels of runheavy? Is there any
45:30chance? Hey, maybe Malik Willis isn't worse than Justin Fields.
45:35Is it possible Aaron Rogers still has something left in the tank? A little bit.
45:40>> I was going to say the Steelers.
45:42>> Really?
45:43>> Like if you want a deep if you want a deep dive. Yeah, I think the Steelers could really impress some people.
45:49>> How?
45:49>> Well, they added a a really good receiver and Michael Pitman Jr., very underrated player who was hurt most of last year, but this is like a multiple
45:59time 140 target guy who's still in the prime of his career. And and what that does by bringing him in is it makes
46:07everybody else better. It puts DK Metaf in his correct role. It elevates Roman Wilson out of the slot or whoever is
46:14going to be playing slot for them. It elevates the tight end room, elevates the run. So, like I think that's a huge
46:19factor. The other factor is like their offensive line should be in better shape this year. Um, you know, they don't >> that's that's really what it comes like.
46:28So, I love Michael Pitman. I agree with you. Like he's a way better fit for Aaron Rogers who can't take hits, wants
46:34to get the ball out quickly. That's not DK Mataf who's limited in lateral agility is more of a deep threat. His his it
46:44takes him longer more time for him to get open where where Pitman could kind of win his route more quickly which is
46:50what and operate in the short to intermediate which I think is what Aaron Rogers wants. And you saw like or I'll
46:57let you say it but like >> Rogers like looked good throwing the ball. It's just everything else. And so if you could protect him and just allow
47:05him to throw the ball and to to this good receiving core where guys can get open.
47:11>> Yeah, for sure. And what we've seen from from the Steelers and their team building approach is like they're they spent a lot on the offensive line in
47:18terms of draft capital and that unit has been kind of growing together. They're moving Troy Fontanu to the left tackle spot to replace Brick Jones who might
47:28have a career-ending injury. And then everyone else is just progressively getting better. They bring in Spencer Anderson from Buffalo. Um or sorry
47:36that's wrong Anderson. Spencer Anderson they drafted I think in the seventh round a couple years ago. He's going to play right guard for them. And then they
47:42drafted Mike Max I inher to play right tackle for them. And I just think their offensive line's in a really good spot.
47:48I love Rico Dowel too as a a mainstay in the back field. You like Eli Hiden Hiden Reich as a passcatching guy. I just
47:55think overall like the situation's way better than people realize it is. if they can protect Rogers, they have the pass catchers now to to be decent. Also,
48:04this dude from Iowa, um Kaden Wetchin, he is explosive as heck, man. Like, he he might win their slot receiver role,
48:13which would give them a totally new dynamic in that offense that I think they're missing. So, um big big fan of
48:19kind of what they're doing. And then defensively, they're going to be good enough, too, where it's like I mean, they also drafted Jeremy Bernard in the
48:26second round. So, like I don't know. I I I think the Steelers as a whole might be better than people think. I think they
48:32might surprise some people, but offensively for sure.
48:36All right. You want to get out of here?
48:38>> Let's do it.
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