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These 8 WRs Will Decide Your Fantasy Season

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1 hr 23 min
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Jul 27, 2026
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Mon, July 27, 2026
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Ricky PearsallLadd McConkeyMarvin Harrison Jr.Xavier WorthyMalik NabersLuther BurdenRashee RiceBrian Thomas Jr.Carnell TateColston LovelandCyrus AllenGarrett WilsonJeremiyah LoveJustin Herbert
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Brian Thomas Jr.

NegativeProjection43:03

Brian Thomas Jr. is the eighth-round pick (WR36) on Yahoo. Matt Harmon notes that most of BTJ's 2025 season should be thrown out due to injuries, continuing a theme for the 2024 receiver class. However, Harmon is 'totally comfortable drafting him in fantasy this year' because he believes BTJ could be a big hit from the Jaguars room if things align. Harmon acknowledges BTJ's weaknesses: 77% success rate vs. zone coverage (38th percentile) in his rookie season, which fell to 69.8% last year; he struggled with quick routes over the middle and beating zone coverage. But Harmon sees upside if BTJ can be the team's X receiver in a Mike Evans-style role, noting that 'if somebody is going to be a big hit from this room, it's going to be BTJ, but I don't know how many universes that he is that big hit.' The co-host counters that BTJ's role will likely shrink due to the emergence of Parker Washington and Jacoby Myers, and that BTJ ranked third in targets from week 10 on (17% of routes vs. 21% for Myers and 25.5% for Washington). BTJ had 1.35 yards per route run and 36% of targets were 20+ yards downfield in that span.

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Carnell Tate

NegativeValue40:00

Carnell Tate is ranked back-to-back with Marvin Harrison Jr. in consensus rankings, followed by Alec Pierce and DK Metcalf. Matt Harmon expresses a preference for taking 'a mystery box' on Carnell Tate above Marvin Harrison Jr., suggesting he'd rather have the upside of Tate than the downside risk of Harrison. However, Harmon notes he's 'a little worried Carnell Tate's going to get target mogged by Wanda Robinson,' which is a topic for another podcast.

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Colston Loveland

PositiveProjection31:51

Loveland had over 20% red-zone target share last season, significantly outpacing Luther Burden's 8%, and is positioned as one of the top upside plays in the Bears offense. Harmon still wants Colson Loveland the most among second-year receivers, indicating strong conviction in his continued production and role.

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Cyrus Allen

PositiveBreakout105:41

Cyrus Allen, Kansas City's fifth-round pick, is the best man-coverage receiver on the Chiefs roster according to Matt Harmon, who states: "get two beers in me and I would tell you that Cyrus Allen, their fifth round pick is easily the best man coverage receiver on this team." This assessment suggests Allen has elite man-coverage skills that could unlock value if the Chiefs deploy him in that role, positioning him as a potential breakout candidate in a crowded receiver room.

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Garrett Wilson

PositiveValue15:00

Wilson is part of the most exciting section of the WR draft in the fourth round, grouped with Ladd McConkey, Mecca Buka, and other elite prospects. Harmon expresses strong interest in all players in this tier, noting it's frustrating to choose between them.

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Jeremiyah Love

NegativeProjection37:18

Love is a round-two to round-three turn pick on Yahoo for the Cardinals. Matt Harmon expresses concern about the Cardinals' offensive situation, noting that the team is projected to win 3.5 games and favored in zero games to open the season. The combination of poor quarterback talent and a historically bad team projection makes Love's early ADP risky.

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Justin Herbert

NegativeMatchup15:00

Herbert's 2024 season was compromised by offensive line collapse; he ran a league-high 95 pass routes without a pass attempt due to sacks, scrambles, and throwaways. This environmental chaos directly suppressed McConkey's production and catchable ball rate (down to 67% from 78%). The improved Chargers line should stabilize Herbert's play and increase downfield accuracy.

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Keenan Allen

NegativeRole10:00

Keenan Allen served as a safety-blanket target for Justin Herbert in chaotic situations last year, soaking up binky targets on third-and-short. While no longer at his peak, Allen has plateaued as a useful player rather than declining off a cliff. His role limited McConkey's volume, but Allen's presence doesn't indicate complete decline—just a shift in his usage pattern.

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Kenneth Walker III

PositiveRole107:10

Kenneth Walker's addition to Kansas City's offense is the team's primary offseason move and could improve the passing game math for receivers. Matt Harmon notes that if Kenneth Walker's running game works, it could reduce the burden on the passing attack and potentially open up more favorable coverage situations for receivers like Xavier Worthy. The implication is that a functional run game could help clarify roles and create better downfield passing opportunities.

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Ladd McConkey

PositiveProjection10:00

Harmon calls McConkey the most obvious bounce-back candidate at WR this year. He finished WR35 last year but is now going as WR18 (9th pick of round 4 on Yahoo). The Chargers' offensive line collapse and Keenan Allen's safety-blanket role limited McConkey's volume; with Herbert's improved situation and McConkey's elite route-running (87th percentile in success vs. man, zone, and press), he's positioned for significant upside.

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PositiveRole12:30

McConkey's strength is in big breaking routes in the intermediate area, which aligns perfectly with the Chargers' heavy personnel package scheme. He wins against both man and zone coverage and remains a strong vertical slot player. The new offensive environment should feature more intermediate targets and quick hitters, reducing the downfield chaos that plagued him last year.

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NegativeUsage12:30

McConkey's contested catch rate dropped from 57% as a rookie to 3-of-14 (21%) last year, a significant decline. However, the Chargers' offensive environment was compromised: Justin Herbert ran a league-high 95 pass routes without a pass attempt due to sacks, scrambles, and throwaways. After Joe Alt's injury, McConkey averaged only 2.7 catches for 38 yards per game. The new scheme should reduce contested-catch situations and increase quick-hitter targets.

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PositiveProjection18:41

McConkey ran a league-high 95 pass routes without a pass attempt due to sacks, scrambles, and throwaways after Joe Alt's injury, averaging 2.7 catches for 38 yards per game in a collapsed environment. Matt Harmon believes the offense will work out significantly better with improved quarterback play and offensive line health, positioning McConkey as a feature player Mike McDaniel will move around to get advantageous looks and space for; his in-breaking routes and ability to settle in zone coverage are described as 'diabolical,' though he has Tyler Lockett-like limitations after the catch.

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NegativeInjury20:28

McConkey's injury risk mirrors Tyler Lockett's durability concerns; he scrapes himself up off the field on intermediate in-breaking routes and may see snap count management with Trey Harris rotating in for run-blocking work to preserve his body. This could limit his target ceiling compared to peers like Emeka Buka, who could see a 140-target season versus McConkey's lower projection.

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NegativeRole23:26

McConkey's early-down target share was identical to his rookie season, but his third-down target share dropped to 18.4%, down 7% from his rookie year, due to Keenan Allen's 35% third-down target share. The Chargers run heavy personnel (29th in three-wide receiver sets) and brought in a fullback, which creates a pro-con dynamic: easier targets and higher yards-per-route in play-action, but fewer routes if Trey Harris gets run-blocking snaps.

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Luther Burden

NegativeValue15:00

Burden is mentioned as a comparison point in the fourth-round WR tier. Harmon prefers Ladd McConkey over Burden in this cluster, suggesting McConkey offers better value or upside.

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PositiveRole27:06

Burden is much better with the ball in his hands than Roma Dunze and will get easy-button touches and creative touch stuff that Dunze won't receive. However, this advantage is offset by the fact that Ben Johnson's offense is built around making explosive plays on big-boy routes, which is where Dunze excels.

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PositiveProjection31:51

Luther Burden will not maintain his rookie role; he won't be used the same way this season. In the red zone, when Colson Loveland and Roma Dunze had over 20% target share, Burden was at only 8%, and 30% of his targets were screens. He's unlikely to get the same easy-button touches and creative touch stuff that made him productive as a rookie, especially as Caleb Williams improves and the offense normalizes. His upside is limited compared to Dunze and Loveland in the red zone.

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Malik Nabers

PositiveInjury2:12

Avoided the PUP list in training camp, marking the most positive injury update in months; rehab has progressed well since second surgery to remove scar tissue. Even if he returns at 85% of pre-injury form, that historical average matches third-round WRs like T. Higgins and A.J. Flowers. At 23 years old with no WR competition (Darius Slayton also not practicing), he has elite athlete upside.

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PositiveProjection4:00

Matt Harmon ranks him next to DeVante Smith and A.J. Brown in the two-three turn (WR2-3 tier), despite going in round four on Yahoo. Harmon calls him the most mispriced player in fantasy right now. Even at 80-90% of himself post-injury, he remains one of the best WRs in the NFL; the Giants finished 31st in PPG when he was healthy last year and should improve, creating more volume opportunity.

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PositiveRole5:00

Nabers is the clear WR1 for the Giants with no competition; Darius Slayton is not practicing. Last year in his 3.5-game sample with Russell Wilson, he ran go routes on 25% of his routes (Wilson's system). Harmon notes he was in space on only 33% of his catches in year two (down from 48% as a rookie), suggesting room for more creative usage in Matt Nagy's offense, which can create horizontal space for elite players.

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PositiveBreakout8:00

Harmon's reception perception charting shows Nabers in an elite tier: he's the only player in the RP era (2014-current) besides A.J. Brown, DeVontae Adams, Jamar Chase, Justin Jefferson (3x), and Odell Beckham (3x) to clear the 98th percentile in success rate vs. press coverage while taking fewer than 30% of snaps in the slot. Harmon compares his talent level to Jamar Chase, noting he's close across the board in route-running ability.

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Marvin Harrison Jr.

NegativeProjection33:02

Marvin Harrison Jr. finished last season as WR40 in points per game and is going as WR31 (sixth pick of seventh round on Yahoo), suggesting the market is overvaluing him. Matt Harmon admits he is a 'full blown Marvin Harrison Jr. apologist' while acknowledging that Harrison has been a disappointment relative to expectations as the best prospect Harmon has evaluated since Jamar Chase. His relationship with Kyler Murray was problematic, and the offense under Drew Petzing was not well-suited to his skill set.

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PositiveProjection35:00

Harrison is not as bad as painted; he's a strong separator in particular areas and gets open consistently, contrary to narrative. His rookie year (when healthier) shows Calvin Ridley comparables in his top comps due to his nuanced route-running ability. He will be better deployed in the new offense away from Kyler Murray and Drew Petzing, and his drops (including a ridiculous week-four catch against Seattle) should improve. Harmon expects Harrison to catch the ball cleaner and be a really nice football player.

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NegativeBust35:00

Harrison's drop rate was extremely high last season, with some of the most hilariously bad drops of the entire football season, including a ridiculous week-four catch against the Seahawks. He has a career 1% screen rate and has broken only four tackles in his career, limiting his fantasy upside despite his real-life receiver talent. He will be a better real-life receiver than a fantasy player, especially with Trey McBride (a complete alien working over the middle) and now Jeremiah Love in the offense.

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NegativeRole36:45

Harrison's role is very traditional static X receiver, which is not the player he is supposed to be. He will be a better real-life receiver than a fantasy player because Trey McBride is a complete alien working over the middle and should get the ball, and now Jeremiah Love is in the offense. The Cardinals are projected to win only 3.5 games, making Harrison one of the highest-ranked fantasy players in ADP for a team with such poor win projections.

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NegativeProjection37:18

Harrison is a seventh-round pick on Yahoo despite being back-to-back in consensus rankings with Roma Dunze. Matt Harmon states he cannot recommend Harrison even after watching him in isolation and finding him a little bit better than expected. Harmon is pot-committed to Harrison but advises against drafting him, noting that the most likely outcome is that he won't produce, and he doesn't want to recommend him only to have drafters be upset when he doesn't perform. Harmon would rather take a mystery box on Carnell Tate above Harrison.

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Michael Wilson

PositiveRole37:18

Michael Wilson is an eighth-round pick on Yahoo. Matt Harmon describes him as 'a real player' and notes that he 'mogged' Marvin Harrison Jr. at the end of the season in terms of production and overall final taste in the mouth. Harmon says Wilson's end-of-season performance was 'the most impressive a Cardinals wide receiver has looked over the last two years.' Harmon is frustrated that the Cardinals underutilized Wilson at the Z position while Harrison played X, when Wilson's comps (T Higgins, X receivers) suggest he should be used more interchangeably. Under new offensive coordinator LaFleur, Harmon expects Wilson to benefit from schematic improvements and more motion at the snap.

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Parker Washington

PositiveRole48:20

Parker Washington is emerging as a key receiver in the Jaguars offense. The co-host notes that Washington ranked second in targets from week 10 on with 25.5% of routes, ahead of Jacoby Myers (21%) and Brian Thomas Jr. (17%). The co-host believes 'Parker Washington clears Jacoby Myers' and that Washington's emergence, combined with the addition of tight end Luke Musgrave in round two, will allow the Jaguars to play heavier personnel sets. The co-host suggests that Washington could be the beneficiary if the Jaguars lean more into two-receiver sets, potentially keeping Jacoby Myers off the field in certain scenarios.

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Quentin Johnston

NegativeRole15:00

Johnston is expected to handle downfield routes in the Chargers' new scheme, reducing McConkey's need to run those routes. This role separation allows McConkey to focus on intermediate breaking routes and quick hitters where he excels, improving his efficiency and reducing contested-catch situations.

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Rashee Rice

NegativeRole6:00

Rice is cited as an example of how the Kansas City Chiefs create horizontal space and gimmick roles for elite receivers. Harmon uses Rice's usage pattern as a comparison point for how Malik Nabers could be utilized in the Giants' Matt Nagy offense.

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NegativeRole105:00

Rasheed Rice's fantasy value is at risk despite his historically low average depth of target (4.69 ADOT over the last three seasons, ranking in the bottom tier among 117+ receivers with 200+ routes). Matt Harmon expresses concern that if Kansas City can credibly run the ball this year—they were the worst run game over the last two years by explosive plays—the Chiefs may reduce their reliance on "scammy targets" to Rice. The core problem is that Rice and Xavier Worthy occupy the same offensive space without a clear number-one receiver like George Pickens to anchor the room, and with Travis Kelce also in the mix, there's insufficient role clarity to support all three players. Harmon states: "I am shit out of Rasheed Rice this year."

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Ricky Pearsall

PositiveRole55:56

Mike Evans' addition to the 49ers offense will allow Ricky Pearsall to operate more in big breaking routes and receive significantly more easy scoring opportunities (layups) than he had last year, essentially none. Kyle Shanahan's tendency to move Pearsall around with full-speed motions, fly motions, and stack releases will create separation opportunities.

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PositiveProjection56:23

Pearsall is a near lock to average more than five targets per game this season, up from his rookie year average. His involvement metrics and dot placement are closest to Rashid Shaheed, Jordan Addison, and Jameson Williams, and he possesses more lateral ability than some of those comparables.

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NegativeBust56:57

Pearsall broke zero tackles in his rookie season according to PFF and went down on first contact on 85% of charted plays, placing him in a rare group of receivers (Marvin Harrison Jr., Aidy Mitchell, Josh Palmer, DJ Chark, Marquez Valdez-Scantling, Van Jefferson, Henry Ruggs) with zero broken tackles in a season. This is a glaring weakness despite his elite route-running ability.

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PositiveRole58:49

Kyle Shanahan moves Ricky Pearsall around the formation with full-speed motions, fly motions, stacks, and free releases; Pearsall sustains separation and can create it at multiple levels, positioning him as a beneficiary of Shanahan's play-calling style that maximizes this type of receiver skill set.

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NegativeProjection58:49

Matt Harmon ranks Ricky Pearsall a tier above peers in his ADP range (Michael Wilson, Michael Pittman, Quentin Johnson, Makai Lemon, Jacoby Myers, Jordan Addison, Wondale Robinson) because his pathway to WR1 scoring is clearer; his ultimate upside is playing every snap, and with George Kittle's Achilles injury status uncertain and Mike Evans' hamstring durability a concern, Pearsall has the best situation possible in Kyle Shanahan's offense where he gets full-speed motions, fly motions, stacks, and free releases that allow him to sustain and create separation at multiple levels.

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PositiveBreakout59:19

Despite 99 career targets and under 1,000 yards through two seasons, Matt Harmon is optimistic that when the 49ers offense comes together, Ricky Pearsall will be a massive beneficiary because Kyle Shanahan is the exact type of play-caller to maximize this receiver's skill set; Harmon rejects the narrative that past injuries will sustain themselves.

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PositiveValue60:30

Matt Harmon would take Ricky Pearsall over Michael Pittman, Jacoby Myers, Wondale Robinson, and Quentin Johnson in best ball formats, viewing him as a higher-upside target than the 'boring picks' that prioritize floor in that ADP range.

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Travis Kelce

NegativeRole105:54

Travis Kelce's offensive role in Kansas City is uncertain and may be a limiting factor for other pass-catchers. Matt Harmon notes that Kelce occupies the same offensive area as Rasheed Rice and Xavier Worthy, creating a three-way role conflict. Harmon speculates that if Kelce is not heavily involved in the offense—a significant conditional—then Rice could scale back and Worthy could emerge as a boom-bust flex option. However, this scenario requires Kelce's role to diminish, which is presented as a speculative hedge rather than a likely outcome.

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Tre Harris

NegativeRole15:00

Harris is mentioned as a potential rotational option in the Chargers' personnel groupings. Matt Harmon notes that the team might occasionally rotate Harris in for certain packages, though this is likely overthinking the depth chart.

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Trey McBride

NegativeProjection37:18

McBride is a second-round pick on Yahoo despite the Cardinals being projected to win 3.5 games and favored in zero games to open the season. Matt Harmon expresses concern that the quarterback talent is so much lower than McBride's skill competition, and he doesn't see enough 'gimme stuff' to overcome the fact that McBride has been the wider super 40 this last season or two. Harmon is nervous about the round-two ADP and would not recommend drafting him there.

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Xavier Worthy

NegativeBust61:41

Matt Harmon was lower than consensus on Worthy as a prospect and coming out of his rookie year; his second season was hampered by injury (hit by a teammate listed as 85 pounds heavier), but on-field results were poor. Harmon notes Worthy is not useful against press man coverage (a problem since the Chiefs' best receiver is only good against zone coverage), struggles to separate, and goes down on first contact. Harmon acknowledges Worthy wins on quick out routes against man coverage but emphasizes the deep game hasn't come together, largely due to size constraints.

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NegativeInjury61:41

Worthy's second season was disrupted by injury early on; he was hit by a teammate listed as 85 pounds heavier (Harmon suggests the actual weight difference may be even greater). Additionally, Worthy suffered a shoulder injury that was serious enough that the Chiefs reduced his screen rate to nearly zero out of concern that a tackle on that shoulder could sideline him for an extended period.

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NegativeRole61:41

Matt Harmon notes Worthy was drafted to be a downfield receiver but has become a 9-yard-and-underneath option; he's on the line of scrimmage 71% of snaps (up from 43% to 53% year-over-year), which Harmon says he shouldn't be doing at 165 pounds. Harmon emphasizes Worthy's inability to separate against press man coverage and struggles on breaking routes due to size limitations; he caught only 4 of 16 deep targets (20+ yards) this past season and 7 of 21 the year before, plus just 4 of 13 intermediate targets in his rookie year.

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NegativeProjection61:46

Xavier Worthy is going in the 11th round on Yahoo; Matt Harmon was lower than consensus on Worthy as a prospect, setting up a discussion about what Worthy is and what he can be.

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NegativeRole104:35

Worthy faces significant role uncertainty in Kansas City's crowded receiver room. With Rasheed Rice, Travis Kelce, and Taequann Thornton all competing for targets, Worthy's limited skill set and lack of proven production at the NFL level create a boom-bust flex profile at best. Matt Harmon notes that Worthy would need to run more crossing routes and face off-coverage to win downfield, but the Chiefs would need to make that a priority—which is speculative. Worthy's second-play run route in 2024 before Rice's injury suggests potential direction, but Harmon emphasizes you have to "really speculate here to get excited about Xavier Worthy." He hasn't shown he's good enough to belong in the top-tier receiver tier.

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Zay Flowers

PositiveValue4:00

Flowers is a first-round receiver prospect and part of the year-three WR class being discussed. While a good player, Harmon notes Flowers is at a different tier than Malik Nabers, who was a tier-one prospect in his class.

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Episode Transcript

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0:00viewers, I think it's fair to say that nailing the year three wide receivers might be the critical piece to winning your fantasy football league this season.
0:07Just think about it, okay? We're about to talk about four names that have already been selected in the top two rounds
0:14at any point in their first two seasons in a fantasy football draft, and they all flopped.
0:18They all flopped. So the question is, were we wrong?
0:21Or is this like the perfect post hype opportunity for the first two seasons?
0:25It's an opportunity to find incredible value. There's only one person that can answer that for us.
0:30It is now our colleague over at Yahoo, Matt Harmon.
0:32How you doing, buddy? Colleagues. That sounds good, boys.
0:35That sounds really good. Now, if we have any big disagreements, you know, knockout, drag down, you know, fights or whatever on
0:41the show, I can just go straight to HR after this.
0:44So this is really good for me. But no, I am number one, super excited to have you guys here at Yahoo.
0:50I mean, I've respected both of your guys for work for so long and it's going to be an incredible partnership.
0:56It's already been super fun so far and we're just getting started.
0:59But secondly, and maybe more importantly for the viewers out there, I'm still I'll admit right off the top, like I'm still
1:05really bullish on a lot of the players in this class.
1:08Yes, like there are. It hasn't happened for some guys.
1:11It's kind of happened and then unhappened for a few of them, as you mentioned, Josh.
1:16But, you know, going back and looking at this group for the year three charting for reception perception, man, there's still a
1:22lot of players I really want to bet on.
1:24So I'm excited to talk about this. Yeah, there's kind of like two different tiers of players.
1:29So you got somebody like your smaller guys and there's like four guys that are all very similar to me.
1:34I'm trying to nitpick the exact differences between them all on their tape.
1:38And then after that, you have to, you know, acknowledge what offense they're actually playing in.
1:42But I went back and pretty much everybody went back to after watching them.
1:46I went to my rankings and I just kind of moved them up a little bit.
1:51Yeah, every single one of these guys a little bit up.
1:54Love all that. And I didn't even mention that outside of those four.
1:57We have two other former first round picks that we're talking about here today.
2:01So like there's a lot of investment in these players.
2:04How we're going to do this was going to go name by name of how they're being drafted right now over on
2:10Yahoo, give you stats, the underlying metrics. And maybe most importantly, the eye test with a number of these guys and see
2:16how they fit in a lot of new situations.
2:19So let's kick things off with the man in this group that's going earliest.
2:22That is Malik neighbors. Fourth pick of the third round right now on Yahoo.
2:26That is wide receiver 13. Harmon, hey, let me know right before we got started that Malik neighbors is avoiding the pup list.
2:33I mean, does this change your entire outlook, our entire outlook of Malik neighbors season and really where we should be drafting him right now?
2:40Yeah. I mean, listen, I think we still have a long way to go with this Malik neighbors injury situation.
2:45But I mean, for God's sakes, this is the most positive day of Malik neighbors news we've had in a long, long time.
2:51So I'll take it. Yeah. I mean, honestly, he's been somebody that just because of the way the tenor and kind of
2:58the way they've talked about the injury and everything.
3:00I just really haven't even thinking about, honestly, just haven't even really been considering.
3:04I mean, obviously, if you're doing like best ball drafts, that's one thing.
3:08But if you're looking at like traditional redraft leagues or it's just he's going to fall in an area where there are
3:14so many good wide receiver picks that I like this year that he's just been someone I'm like, all right, I'll I'll kind of just cross him off.
3:21And somebody is going to like him more than me.
3:24Now, if he's going to play, then I mean, this does change the conversation here, even if and I think we should
3:30probably acknowledge that he might not be himself all of 2026.
3:33Like even if he's going to be active week one and play throughout the course of the season, he might be a diminished version of himself.
3:40But if he's not a diminished version of himself, this is a guy that is very clearly not even just based on
3:47like the stats and the results so far, but reception, perception, the eye test.
3:50This guy is clearly of any of this group is is on the fastest track and is like right there knocking on
3:56that door of like a true tier one receiver in the NFL.
4:00And when I say that, I mean, like that's like three, four or five guys at any given point that is in that first tier.
4:07And I've got some RP data to kind of talk about that and unpack that a little bit.
4:12But yeah, man, this guy is is right on the precipice of graduating to that group.
4:16And unfortunately, just got hurt after, you know, four or so games with Russell Wilson last year.
4:21I'll say this. I think he's like the most mispriced player in fantasy right now.
4:25Yeah, I was reading Jordan Ron on for the last couple of weeks and he's all of a sudden been more optimistic.
4:31He was kind of being like, hey, what the hell is going on here?
4:35And then the last couple of weeks, he's like, I think he's not going to be on the publicist like the actual publicist like during the season.
4:42The fact that he's avoided the publicist like the training camp publicist is all the data that I need here, even if
4:48he's like 85% of what he has been throughout his career.
4:52That's still like the historical averages for T Higgins, a flowers, all the third round wide receivers.
4:56And if I'm going to be, you know, taking the exception player coming off an injury, had a little bit of setback in the offseason.
5:03It's probably the freak athlete that's 23 years old who's been a wide receiver one and there's no competition.
5:08The number two wide receiver for the Giants right now is Darius Slayton.
5:12Darius Slayton is not practicing right now either. So like I think he can go absolutely crazy.
5:17And when he's been the wide receiver one in fantasy, the Giants from his rookie season through week four, when he got
5:23hurt, they were 31st in points per game. 31st.
5:25I don't think the Giants are going to be 31st this year in scoring.
5:29And if he's going to be out there in week one, why shouldn't he be next to Devante Smith, AJ Brown, the two, three turn?
5:36That's where I'm ranking him right now. And he's been going in round four.
5:40I think that is going to correct really quick.
5:42Just to update everyone on the timeline towards ACL and lateral meniscus in week four.
5:47Surgery was delayed a month at that point. Then he had a setback.
5:50A second surgery was needed to remove scar tissue that was restricting his rehab.
5:54But it seems like ever since that second surgery, the rehab has been going great.
5:58Despite, you know, videos that we see on social media, him jockeying to first base in a charity softball league.
6:04Like everything seems to be in the right track.
6:06And Matt, what you said about he's kind of out of sight, out of mind because of who he's going around is exactly how I've interpreted too.
6:14Like he's going extremely early on Yahoo in comparison to other platforms.
6:17But no matter what, he was being selected around like the Garrett Wilsons, the Mecca Bukas, T Higgins, Ladd McConkie.
6:23We're going to talk about here in a little bit, many more names.
6:26And it's just difficult for me to go into a draft room and say, well, until today, all of the feedback that
6:32we've gotten in Malik neighbors is either mysterious or negative.
6:35Whereas I can paint a really pearly picture of how great these wide receivers going around him could explode this year and
6:41like be the guy that you need in round three or round four.
6:45But now based on this, and even if he isn't back to 100%, I have to change that tune completely.
6:50And Matt, I think that's always fun for us to do when we approach July and August, because we've been talking about
6:56these players since May and had these hard stances.
6:59And now we have to change them. Yeah. I mean, for like a different example, when we get to talking about Roma
7:05Dunze, I don't feel like I've changed my thought on that at all throughout, like since the season ended last year, like that bear situation.
7:12Cause I, we all knew DJ Moore was, was going to be gone and pretty much nothing has changed from that.
7:18This is one where, yeah, I'm glad that what I said in June or May probably doesn't apply to what it is
7:24in August, which is, which is great. Cause there's nothing worse than talking about this stuff all off season.
7:29And like you said, it's just a metronome of the entire thing, but I do kind of want to just take a
7:35step back and talk about neighbors as an individual player for a second, because I think that's really the crux of all of this is that.
7:42Yeah. Like the names that you mentioned, Zay flowers and a Mecca Buka good players.
7:46I like these players. This is a guy that is at a different level than that.
7:51Like even at Buka, who was a, you know, first round receiver prospect to me, Zay flowers, a first round receiver prospect to me.
7:57Like this was a tier higher of a prospect was Malik neighbors.
8:01And he has, and I had three guys as tier one prospects in this class.
8:05And he's the only one that like slam dunk, no doubt about it.
8:08The door is shut. He has been what he's supposed to be in the NFL.
8:13And I would say that he had kind of a dumber role last year than he did.
8:17And again, it's hard Hayden, right? Because he played almost like the entirety of the, his season last year, which was only
8:23a few games was with Russell Wilson. So it was very much like the Russell Wilson offense.
8:28It's all go routes. I mean, he ran a go route on 25% of the routes.
8:33I chartered for him, which was his entire season, because that's what Russell Wilson does.
8:37I came out of his rookie season and actually had a conversation with Malik neighbors after his rookie season, talking about the
8:43detail that he takes to being an after catch player, which I think might be the thing that is, is most diminished
8:49with him coming back from the injury, at least to start.
8:52But we'll put a pin in that. I was like, this guy's got to have more plays in space in year two than he did in year one.
9:00And he was in space on 48% of his catches in year one and reception perception that actually fell to 33%.
9:05So it just, I think even, and obviously we're talking about a Matt Nagy offense here, which is, let's be honest, that's tough at the same time though.
9:13I think he can be used in some of these ways where, you know, look, we're two different galaxies of, of talents,
9:19but like the way they've used Rasheed Rice to like get the ball in his hands in the Kansas city chiefs offense.
9:25We're talking about him and some of those gimmick roles.
9:28Neighbors is going to be a different beast. And again, just as a route runner, he is in a really small select
9:34group of players in reception perception at this point.
9:37Again, this is a truncated sample. It's not a full season sample.
9:40So keep that in mind when I say this, but over in the reception perception era.
9:44So 2014 to current, these are the only receivers that I've charted who have taken 30 than 30, fewer than 30% of
9:51their sampled snaps in the slot and have cleared the 98th percentile in success rate versus press coverage.
9:56A.J. Brown, Devontae Adams, Jamar Chase, Justin Jefferson, three times Odell Beckham, three times.
9:59And then now this truncated sample for Malik neighbors.
10:02So a little bit dangerous to put his name near Odell Beckham, considering how his career with the Giants went with injuries.
10:08And Beckham is currently on the roster. Right. But still, yeah, that's the type of talent we're talking about here.
10:13It was kind of fascinating to see him in that role.
10:17There's like every single play was just down the field, but you can see how fast he is on those reps.
10:22And we saw in the first year where so much of it was kind of like underneath and some of it was
10:28a little bit more static than I would want.
10:31And some like back shoulder type of stuff and nothing like yards after the catch was like he's so close to Jamar Chase, like when he's fully healthy.
10:39And Jamar Chase is like literally slot outside underneath over the top of crossing over the middle.
10:43It doesn't matter. He's the best in the league.
10:46I like all that stuff. I think Malik neighbors is like this far below across the board.
10:51But I think we're talking about that level of player and the Giants.
10:54Let's be honest. They absolutely have to pepper him with targets this year, whether he's 80 percent of himself, 100 percent of himself.
11:01It doesn't matter. You just look around the room.
11:03There's nobody else out there. The other thing I was going to say, even if we go into this year and he
11:09misses week one, week two, you don't take zeros in your starting line.
11:13You throw Josh Downs in your freaking starting lineup and then you wait for Malik neighbors.
11:17You get some points and then you keep this thing going.
11:20Like, I think that I'm glad Matt hit on this.
11:23The starting point that we're talking about when him coming back from injury is one of the best wide receivers in the NFL.
11:29So as much as we like these other guys that he's been going around, like we're hoping they become like 90 percent of Malik neighbors.
11:36Malik neighbors even coming back as 90 percent of himself is one of the best wide receivers in the NFL still.
11:42So, Hayden, do you think he just totally rebounds from an ADP standpoint?
11:46And now we'll just go in that cluster of Nico Collins, George Pickens, A.J.
11:49Brown, Devontae Smith. I think it'll be close. I would put him at the end of that tier.
11:54And let's just like see how the rest of this offseason goes.
11:58I will say Drake London and Nico Collins and A.J.
12:01Brown are in excellent spots like those guys. We're talking about very good players without the ACL.
12:05So I think it would take a lot for me to get over that hump.
12:09But I do think like he should be like ahead of Devontae Smith.
12:13Like Devontae Smith is a really good football player, but like he has like environmental issues that will be pretty hard to overcome himself.
12:20Yeah. Just to close this one in that three and a half game sample that we got last year, there might have
12:26been one snap where he kind of was given manufactured space.
12:29It was against the Washington Commanders where he motioned from the left at the snap to the right into a stack that
12:35gives him, you know, natural space to work in.
12:37This corner is terrified. And then just with his selling from a route standpoint creates even more separation.
12:42Like this is why we talk about pre-snap motion and especially into stacks, because if you give that to elite players, not
12:48only do you give them, again, space immediately, then they create even more separation on top of it.
12:53And then he went after the catch. He created another five yards after it.
12:57And Matt, you already answered my final question, which is going to be, I know reception perception has gone back multiple years of Matt Nagy offenses.
13:04Like what type of player and what can the utilization be like for this type of player in a Matt Nagy offense?
13:11And is there any optimism for that? I mean, I don't have a lot of optimism for the Matt Nagy offense.
13:16No. Shout out. By the way, I do think that matters a lot when it comes to the run game and talking
13:22about, you know, Cam Scadaboo and Tyron Tracy and these guys is that we can be honest.
13:27And Matt Nagy was a fallback plan for them.
13:30They thought Todd Mocken was going to be their office coordinator.
13:33And then obviously he's Cleveland head coach. So I think it pretty much is going to be, you know, Matt Nagy runs
13:39the pass game and Greg Roman runs the run game.
13:41I don't still don't love that though. Like the chiefs pass game is, was the one of the least enjoyable to watch over the last couple of years.
13:49So we'll see what that looks like. But yeah, no doubt neighbors can fit in that sort of creative touch after catch,
13:55you know, create space for these guys. If there's one thing this offense does still do well, it is create horizontal space for their players.
14:02And I do kind of, I mean, I like Malachi Fields enough as like even just a, you know, kind of a
14:08power player and a little bit of a sacrificial guy.
14:11So I think he would be nice if he emerged as the second receiver here.
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14:47Lad McConkie, the ninth pick of the fourth round on Yahoo right now.
14:50That's wide receiver 18 at this point. And that's despite finishing last year as the wide receiver 35 and half PPR points per game.
14:57Simple question, Matt. Is this the perfect scheme for him to level up in?
15:01I mean, I think he'd be great in any scheme, but yeah, totally.
15:04This works out for me. This is another one where I haven't really changed my opinion based on what I kind of
15:11thought going into the offseason, which is just like this to me is the most obvious bounce back candidate in the NFL
15:17this year at the wide receiver position. Because like I go back and watch Lad McConkie last year.
15:22We know what the offensive line was. We know that Keenan Allen was soaking up the safety blanket, the binky targets there
15:28for Justin Herbert when he's playing in chaos. And by the way, like I don't know, Keenan gets talked about like he's just complete dust.
15:35Like he can still play a little bit. He's not he's not Pete Keenan Allen.
15:39He hadn't been Pete Keenan Allen for quite some time.
15:42But there's this is why receiver decline is just so tricky that sometimes it is just right off the cliff.
15:47But other guys age very gracefully and kind of plateau at some point.
15:51I think Keenan has plateaued here a little bit, obviously, but still a useful player.
15:55So it's not as if like, oh, a 50 year old Keenan Allen came and took Lad McConkie's lunch as it's kind of getting painted on fantasy Twitter.
16:03But anyways, point about McConkie, like I go back and watch him.
16:06I don't really think he did anything wrong other than like his contested catch work was, you know, that's always going to be volatile.
16:13Like some mistakes at the catch point this year, especially for a guy like him.
16:17I think that's totally excusable. But as a separator, still just as good as he was most critically, like where he wins
16:23as a route runner is in those big breaking routes in the intermediate area, which is that's going to be a lot
16:29of what this offense wants to do out of heavy personnel packages.
16:32He wins against man. He wins against zone. I still think he's a great vertical slot player as well.
16:37So 87th percentile in success rate versus man, the zone and press coverage this year clears all those numbers was just as good as a rookie as well.
16:45So to me, I think he's somebody that is an obvious bounce back candidate.
16:49He's a great fit in this scheme. It's just how high do you want to take him in fantasy is the question
16:55based on, again, a really good group of receivers that I like a lot of these picks here, but he is certainly one of them.
17:02Yeah, the two biggest things were definitely the Keenan Allen, almost like in a rebounder role, like third and six, like throw
17:08it to him at the sticks and like go break a tackle was kind of the Keenan Allen role.
17:13And it was fairly effective. And then the big thing was the catchable ball rate went from 78% down to 67%.
17:19If you look at the downfield intermediate target specifically, they were just like, I mean, it was like unacceptable.
17:24And like a lot of that Herbert was like running at the line of scrimmage or running away from guys.
17:30And like those balls had like just no chance.
17:32I will say the one thing that happened with glad McConkey, I thought like by himself, just isolating him was was the contested catch stuff.
17:3957% as a rookie three of 14 last year.
17:42There's some times where I thought players are kind of playing through him.
17:45And obviously I decided that's always going to be something.
17:48But as a rookie, he was like doing like Antonio Brown impression for a while there.
17:53And I was like, well, if he's going to do this kind of fold us during his rookie year, because I thought
17:59at Georgia, some of the contested catch stuff was a bit hit or miss.
18:03Right. But like Matt says, like that comes and goes.
18:05And I think that he's not going to have to be put in those situations because of the scheme.
18:11He's not going to probably run as many downfield routes because they're getting that from Quinton Johnson.
18:15But the intermediate stuff, hopefully some more quick hitters and stuff.
18:18I think that that type of target is going to come back up.
18:22I'm in the fourth round. The only thing I was in the back of my mind is they sometimes will rotate all the personnel grouping and stuff.
18:29Like would they ever take lad McConkey off the field for a couple of plays for like Trey Harris stuff?
18:35That's probably overthinking things. I think he's in that same cluster as, you know, a Mecca, Luca, Garrett Wilson, that type of tier.
18:41I'll take him over Luther Burden. But I think lad McConkey is still one of the better wide receivers in the league.
18:47Yeah, you just went through all those names. I mean, I really think that this area of the draft might be the most exciting section for wide receivers.
18:55I want all of them. And really, you can only take two of them at most.
19:00And that's frustrating. Really frustrating. We can just list stats of why the environment and how the environment collapsed around him.
19:05You guys talked about Justin Herbert running for his life.
19:08Apparently, lad McConkey ran a league high 95 pass routes without a pass attempt coming on the play due to sacks, scrabbles and throwaways.
19:15After Joe Alt's injury, this is going to retrieve bar.
19:18Lad averaged 2.7 catches for 38 yards per game.
19:20Again, we know that the environment just totally collapsed this past season.
19:23But man, when I went back and watched, it's just what you said, Matt, where you can just visualize it in this offense working out so well.
19:31Like there is this play multiple plays against the Chiefs where they weren't necessarily putting heavier bodies on the field, but they
19:37were doing condensed splits with like Darius Davis and Keenan Allen staying in and chip helping.
19:41But it was Quentin Johnson running for love of the game down the field.
19:45And then here comes lad McConkey underneath it. And both were like technically downfield routes, but it's in that cavern of space
19:51between the linebackers and in front of the safeties.
19:54And those in breakers from lad are diabolical. You know, I mean, the way he cuts inside and then if it's zone
20:00just settles in and find space and has these little nuanced movements to stay in a string with Justin Herbert.
20:05Oh, it's so good. It's so good. I don't think he's great after the catch.
20:10I think he kind of inherited a little bit of Tyler Lockett syndrome of falling down and preserving his body, but that's okay.
20:16He doesn't have to be great in everything. But man, I just think he can be the feature player that Mike McTain
20:22moves around and gets advantageous looks for and space for.
20:25And then he's going to maximize it even more in the system.
20:28Tyler Lockett's actually like kind of the devil's advocate, like warning if you want to be out on lad McConkey this year,
20:34just because number one, that was actually my player comparison for him as a prospect was I thought he would be Tyler Lockett.
20:41And by the way, Tyler Lockett was awesome. But, you know, you mentioned the injuries like that's one thing with lad just
20:47I mean, he's even in his rookie season. He's like scraping himself up off the field, you know, like putting his body
20:53back together like a, you know, a doll or something after getting hit and smacked in some of these intermediate in breaking
20:59routes, which will definitely happen in this role. And I could see a world where, you know, you mentioned Hayden, like they
21:05rotate in a Trey Harris for run blocking work just to give him like a breather.
21:09And obviously, then you're going to run some routes.
21:12You're going to do play action. You know, Brennan Thompson, like some of these guys just to preserve lad McConkey's body.
21:18So I think that's when you're trying to break ties in favor of like an Emeka Buka or lad McConkey.
21:23Like I do think I could see like a 140 target season for a Buka more so than McConkey.
21:28But I mean, yeah, the efficiency could be there for lad.
21:31And there's no question that he shares a lot of variables.
21:34I know. I mean, I said this in February, so I'm not just copying everybody else.
21:39Like there are a lot of variables here and like the breakout season that JSN had last year.
21:44There's a lot of variables that they carry over from McConkey as well.
21:47Yeah, I think if he stays healthy, he's going to be a total baller.
21:51I think the snaps might be a little bit less than some of the other guys we're talking about.
21:57And there's some of the targets just just because like they don't run three wide receiver sets like pretty much at all.
22:03I think they were 29. But isn't that a good thing?
22:06Like, you know, the show we did with Ryan Heath, where I think the Chargers are going to be one of the teams that leans into heavier personnel.
22:13And not necessarily three tight ends, but they brought in a fullback on top of it that has history here.
22:19And so if there are more tight ends on the field, isn't that a good thing for the wide receivers to get things funneled in their direction?
22:26It's like a pro and a con. It's easier to earn a target.
22:30All the yards per route numbers are higher. Play action targets are better.
22:34And at the same time, if you lose four routes per game because they have to get Trey Harris on those, then you aren't even on the field.
22:41So I think it comes out to a wash.
22:44I think he's properly priced. I thought he's a little bit better after the catch, maybe, than you thought, Josh.
22:49I think there's a lot of like kind of ole stop start, like kind of jitterbug aspect to that.
22:55Like the best days of him is like almost like the Antonio Brown for a half second.
22:59The hard part is Antonio Brown stayed healthy for so long.
23:02He was so physical. He was able to withstand things.
23:05I think he was more powerful than Ladd McConkie and stuff.
23:08So I think Tyler Lockett is, I think, a pretty reasonable floor for him.
23:12I do think there's like maybe one level above that in terms of like being kind of a focal point of an offense that he can hit.
23:20But he's next to all the guys that you can say that about.
23:23I want all of them. One final note here from Reeves.
23:26Ladd McConkie's early down target share last year was basically identical to his rookie season.
23:30But his target share on third downs was 18.4%.
23:33And that was down 7% from his rookie year.
23:35And that was all Keenan Allen stuff. I mean, Keenan had like a 35% or something target share on third down.
23:41So I do wonder who is getting that work.
23:44Because as we saw last year, not just on third downs, but just overall, that Tyree Kill and Jalen Waddle were both
23:50top 13 in yards per run this past season.
23:52Not bad for this offense. All right. We move on to Roma Dunze.
23:56The ninth pick of the sixth round on Yahoo right now.
23:59That is wide receiver 28. And he actually finished last year.
24:02I think I did the math correctly. His wide receiver 23 in points per game.
24:06That certainly doesn't fit the narrative of him this offseason.
24:09So, Matt, leaning into that, people on every single platform are certain that Luther Burden will outperform Robo Dunze.
24:14Are you? No. I mean, I think the gap between these two guys doesn't make any sense to me.
24:19And a lot of the – and by the way, I will not participate in the culture war of like you have
24:25to hate one and love the other. All right.
24:28I like both of these players. Unfortunately, just like the ADP market right now does kind of force you to make a
24:34really hard choice on Luther Burden when he's in that group of receivers that we really, really like.
24:39And at Dunze just goes so much later. And I just think a lot of the reasons to fade Roma Dunze just
24:45don't really stand up to merit to me. You know, number one, great, great player.
24:49I mean, I think he is really – he's not been perfect.
24:52I'm not going to say he's been blameless. Like, he had really big problems at the catch point last year, which based
24:59on his prospect profile and even based on his rookie season were kind of shocking to me.
25:03You know, he just made a lot of mistakes there.
25:06And I do think the injury compounded that conversation I had with him in February of this past year where he had
25:12talked about it was less of like the physical problems coming back from the injury.
25:16And like he didn't feel as much, you know, like himself and from a movement perspective.
25:21It was more about like the timing and rhythm within a very timing and rhythm detailed based offense that he kind of
25:27felt like he fell out of rhythm with the quarterback.
25:30And that was where some of those contested catch issues even got worse once he got back from the injury.
25:35So that's something that he – like you got to start there and say he needs to just be better at the
25:41catch point, period, end of story, no question about it in year three.
25:45That being said, like from a separation standpoint, he's unbelievable.
25:48Like this guy gets open, open, especially against press man coverage.
25:51And there's just no question that he's the best receiver on the roster doing that.
25:55And he definitely was a little bit worse. Like I don't love to split up the numbers, you know, but I have
26:01done it a decent chunk this year for some of these guys because there is like context worth pointing out here.
26:07He was definitely better before the injury, which tracks with the production too when he was incredibly productive to start the year.
26:13Like that's one of the things I find a little bizarre to be like, well, Ben Johnson inherited Roma Dunze.
26:18Yeah, he inherited Roma Dunze and then proceeded to run his entire passing game through Roma Dunze in the first eight weeks
26:24of the season before he suffered a foot fracture.
26:27So he's just such a tantalizing talent, can sink and separate in the intermediate area.
26:31And like what number one receivers are doing in the NFL right now, he's not going to get the same like Mickey
26:37Mouse touches and like creative touch stuff that Luther Burden will because Burden's much, much better with the ball in his hands.
26:43I think objectively better in that area, but like making explosive plays like Ben Johnson is all about making explosive plays.
26:49And Roma Dunze is not running like a bunch of nine routes either.
26:53He's not he's not this sacrificial X receiver. He's moving around pre-snap running as the Z receiver and running these big breaking outs and digs.
26:59That's where the most of his route tree is.
27:02And that's what that's like the first read stuff in this offense.
27:05So, you know, again, you don't have to hate Burden to like a Dunze, but a Dunze goes too low.
27:11Like people are way too down on him based on his film last year when he was healthy.
27:16I have a Dunze ranked ahead of Luther Burden.
27:18I feel good about that. And I saw the same thing with Rome is this is not like some static X receiver nonsense that we're frustrated about.
27:26Like he's in motion running at full speed. He's really fast for somebody as big as he is could tap the brakes and break either way.
27:33He's not going to be like Mr. Stop Start in terms of after the catch.
27:37Like you said, that's totally fine. I think then he's got the most potential to be dunking on players versus like Luther Burden.
27:43And I thought the two biggest things were, like you said, the catch point stuff is just like has to get better.
27:50But hopefully that gets better. And then the catchable ball rate slash kind of chemistry and zone coverage, kind of all that blends together there.
27:56He was 73rd out of 79 wide receivers in catchable ball rate over the last two seasons.
28:01That comes at the six highest average depth of target.
28:04I think a lot of that's just because he's not going to get some of the screens.
28:09He's like that intermediate guy, but put into advantageous situations.
28:11And his numbers were actually pretty good. Wide receiver 18 in usage, wide receiver 22 in targets per game.
28:17He just has to be more efficient. And I think a lot of that is just like Caleb Rome got to get on the same page.
28:24Make those catch the ball, you know, catch the freaking football.
28:27That would be nice. But we're talking about a top 10 pick here.
28:30I think that he's pretty well-rounded as long as he kind of makes these kind of improvements.
28:35So he's one of the guys that going into this, I have like the most questions about.
28:40And then after sitting there and watching it, I'm like, I can really see the vision where he's, he's like multiple rounds too low.
28:46I think he can be like pricing the second or third round next year after a huge season.
28:51I still want Colson Loveland the most, but Roma Dunze is a really good player.
28:56Yeah. Not just redraft. I think Roma Doonze is an awesome dynasty buy right now because his stock might not be any
29:02lower than it is right now because of all the focus on Luther Burden and Colson Loveland as second year players.
29:08I'm with you. I mean, his body control for his size, I really think is sensational.
29:12So smooth on those easy outbreakers and post cuts and everything.
29:15It's just like almost every single fingertip catch after the buy just went against him, you know?
29:20And then over a quarter of his past attempts in his direction over the final eight games were just purely inaccurate.
29:25This does leave me with a question and it might be an unanswerable question.
29:29I'm going to ask it anyways. Five touchdowns over the opening four games, then the bye week.
29:34And then obviously we know about what the left foot stress fracture and plantar fasciitis and everything.
29:39It leaves me this question, Matt. Does the end of season performances matter more than the beginning when we're just talking about fancy players at all?
29:46Because I feel like that determines where players end up going in our final, like the taste in our mouths from them.
29:52And should it like, should it at all? I mean, I've seen other folks do the research on this.
29:57So like maybe I'm speaking out of turn, but I don't think there's been any correlation between like how you finish the
30:03season and like what happens next year. Certainly sometimes like obviously the offense is fundamentally different now that Burden and Loveland have both emerged.
30:10So I don't know that like like Roma Junze pacing to be like a top five fantasy receiver like he was last year.
30:16That was probably always going to take a step back once we introduce these two young and really talented players.
30:22But yeah, I do think that the way the season ends always carries way too much weight as we're projecting into the
30:28next year when like the full body of work, especially when we're talking about a guy that did suffer a serious injury.
30:34And I don't want to just yada yada through the injury either.
30:37You know, he makes the new normal comment or whatever.
30:40And like, it's just funny, you know, if he never says that we probably are not sitting here having like that conversation
30:46at all when like Tedrow McMillan, no one talks about his foot injury and he like missed a huge chunk of the offseason with it.
30:53But yeah, man, I think that it's definitely worth investigating that part of it and the way the season ended.
30:59But, you know, still got back out there. I think still made a couple of plays in the playoffs.
31:04You know, Luther Burden didn't make any plays in the playoffs.
31:07So I do think it's just worth noting. Like this is a really good player.
31:11It actually got off. I actually think the way I've thought about this, and I'm curious if you guys feel the same way or think this makes sense.
31:19I think if you are, if you want to really bet on Caleb Williams, not getting any better, like he's just what
31:25he was last year, which is not the bet that I want to make.
31:29I think that does lead you into Luther Burden a lot because he's going to get like the easy button touches and stuff.
31:35And, you know, Roma dunes, it will still continue to have this like low catchable ball rate and all this stuff because
31:41he's just running the big boy routes. Like he's running the harder stuff at the same time.
31:46I also think that there's just no way that Luther Burden can have the role that he did last year.
31:52He won't be used that way. So then a lot of the kind of per route stuff is going to change and everything.
31:58So it's a really interesting discussion between these two guys.
32:01But yeah, if Williams doesn't improve at all, then yeah, you can do the create a touch gimmicky things.
32:06But that's not what this offense wants to do.
32:08And it's not the way they use their players last year.
32:11Last note I had in the red zone. When it was Colson, Lovin and Roma dunes, a over 20% target share Luther Burden was at 8%.
32:19And then if you look at those targets that he got for Luther Burden, 30% of those were screen.
32:24So like in terms of just like normal drop back, throwing the ball into the end zone.
32:29It was very rarely Luther Burden last year, obviously as a rookie.
32:32But to me, that makes sense. Roma dunes, a Colson, Lovin, like have proven players that they can dunk on you if you look at their college tape.
32:40So I do think that the upside belongs to those two guys the most.
32:44Like you said, Matt, if Caleb, you know, throws more catchable targets, like it was just shocking how many times he just straight at this guys.
32:51Yeah, yeah, totally. Just on Yahoo, Luther Burden is going as the ninth pick of the fifth round and Rome is the 10th pick of the sixth round.
32:58So again, we have over a round difference between the two.
33:02All right, next Marvin Harrison Jr., sixth pick of the seventh round at this point as wide receiver 31.
33:07He finished last season as wide receiver 40 in points per game.
33:10Matt, I've known you for a very long time, like over a decade, maybe like two decades nearly at this point.
33:16It's crazy. I would not call you an optimist in regards to everything.
33:19I'm just being kind here. But with receivers, we'll unpack that later.
33:23I'd say you typically lean on the optimistic side.
33:25So does that even apply here to Marvin Harrison Jr.?
33:28Yeah, I will admit like I'm a pretty full blown like Marvin Harrison Jr.
33:32Apologist while also admitting that he is not obviously been the player that he was supposed to be.
33:37Like I think you can hold two opinions in your head at one time and that he's been a disappointment relative to
33:43he was the best prospect I think I've evaluated since the since Jamar Chase.
33:47He went forth overall. His name is frickin Marvin Harrison Jr.
33:50And I think he's been a disappointment relative to those expectations.
33:53Well, he's also not as bad as what he has been painted to be.
33:57And like some of that is his relationship with the quarterback was not, you know, with Kyler Murray just to me, like
34:03I said this to Nate Tice on 301, like the very beginning of this past season.
34:07I was like Drew Petsing, Kyler Murray and Marvin Harrison Jr.
34:10They just like all need to get away from each other.
34:13Like they could. I actually don't think that again, you got your way.
34:17Well, now they're all away from each other, obviously, which is we'll see how that goes.
34:21But like I don't think that Petsing's offense was like abhorrent or offensive, and I don't think like Kyler Murray is a
34:28total clown, but they just didn't all work together.
34:30I think they will find more success away from each other for a variety of different reasons.
34:35But I think obviously Harrison's role, it's just very traditional static X receiver.
34:38And that's really like not the player that he is.
34:41I think he is still like a misunderstood player for kind of like the guy he's supposed to be.
34:46He can have like some real dunk on you X receiver moments.
34:50But like we launched a new player comparison tool on the reception perception site this offseason.
34:54And if you go back and look at Marvin Harrison Jr.'s rookie year when he was a little bit healthier than he
35:00was this past year where he had just a ton of weird stuff going on.
35:04He has like three Calvin Ridley comps, you know, in his top comparables because he's more of that like nuanced route runner
35:10and makes mistakes at the catch point, just like just like Calvin does at times.
35:15So, yeah, I think like that's kind of more of the player you should be.
35:19And I do think he'll be better deployed in this offense, but like flat out people think that he can't separate or he doesn't get open.
35:26Totally disagree. Strong separator in particular areas while there are still some areas for growth as well.
35:31I thought last year was stacking guys vertically more often than he did as a rookie.
35:35I thought like speed wasn't necessarily like the thing that was kind of holding him back.
35:39It was I mean, the drops were just like, yeah, they were like really badly.
35:44Some of the most hilariously bad drops here. I mean, the one week four against the Seahawks was just like the like
35:50the most ridiculous drop of the entire football season.
35:52And by the way, I think he kind of and he even said something like this recently where he says, like, I don't even look at the positives.
36:00I only look at the negative. I'm like, there's like something to that, you know, with that whole the way that game played out for him.
36:07So that's something to keep in mind. There's like some like open.
36:10Like, I don't know if the sun was in his eyes drops where like he was like standing there and like just like drop the football.
36:18It was it was just a mess at the catch point with him.
36:21Once again, he's way too good to be doing that.
36:24I'm assuming that that stuff's going to get better.
36:26He's going to catch the ball cleaner than that.
36:29I see it the same way. I think he does create separation.
36:32I don't think that he's like some superstar in the making.
36:35I think he's going to end up being a really nice football player.
36:39I think that you can throw him at the X receiver and survive if you want to play in like the traditional role.
36:45I do think there's more that he can do there at the same time.
36:49Career 1% screen rate for him. I'm not sure if he's like so like jitter buggy that you have to be like throwing him the ball.
36:56I mean, he's broken four tackles in his career.
36:59Yeah, so that's it. That's that's the ultimate holdup is he's going to be a better real life receiver than a fantasy
37:05player, especially when you have Trey McBride, who's a complete alien working over the middle.
37:09And like you should be throwing that guy the ball.
37:12And then now this year now you have Jeremiah love.
37:15So I think after doing all this, I was like he's a nice player.
37:18Like no doubt about it. He's a nice player.
37:21And I'm concerned by the offense. The quarterback talent is so much lower than his skill competition.
37:26Michael Wilson's a real player. Now Jeremiah loves and get the ball.
37:29It's on Trey McBride where I'm still coming out of this.
37:32I'm like, I wanted to like him more, but I just don't see like the gimme stuff really applying to him enough
37:38to like overcome the fact that he's been the wider super 40 this last season or two.
37:43It's got to be the most times we've or like the highest ranked fantasy players in ADP for a team that is
37:49projected to win three and a half games. It's not going to end well.
37:53Like it's just it's not going to end well at all.
37:56It's not going to end well. And yet at the same time, Josh, your, you know, accusations here about me not being
38:02an optimist are going to you're going to fly in the face of what I'm about to say.
38:07I really think like LaFleur's offense from a schematic standpoint is going to do a do so much good for all of these guys.
38:14Yeah. And I mean, just like the complete lack of motion, especially motion at the snap for these players.
38:19I mean, never like that's that never, never in the car.
38:22Like that's fine. The Cardinals offense is just like under Petsing was pretty traditional, but it's pretty traditional for like what was
38:28going on in the NFL 10 years ago. And now you've got, you know, like what I think LaFleur is going to
38:34be able to do for these guys just to blur the line between like when Marvin Harrison Jr.
38:39Was an X receiver for this team the last two years.
38:42It's like, yeah, he was an X receiver, like outside boundary on the ball, whatever.
38:46Like that's it. But even just getting a guy like shoot, they had Greg Dortch on the roster.
38:51Like like what Jimmy Horn Jr. Was doing for like the Panthers with Tedrow McMillan last year where he's still the outside
38:57on ball receiver, but he's, you know, cutting across behind him and creating leverage for Tedrow to break inside.
39:02Like that, that, that stuff will happen this year in this offense, which it's going to make it a cool, like NFL
39:09pro watch it back on film offense. But I mean, obviously, unless Jacoby Brissett is just going to run back the tank
39:15commander stuff for last year, it's going to be tough for a team that is projected 32nd and is favored in zero games to open the season.
39:22Uh, this team has on Yahoo, on Yahoo, a second round pick and train McBride, a round two, three turn pick in Jeremiah love.
39:29I just mentioned the Marvin Harrison Jr. Is a seventh round pick.
39:32And then Michael Wilson's an eighth round pick. Yeah, that's right.
39:35And like Michael Wilson's good. Like he's, he's a player.
39:38He mogged Marvin Harrison Jr. At the end of flash.
39:41I mean, I know Marv wasn't playing, but like just in terms of production and overall, again, final taste in our mouth.
39:47Uh, yeah, I think you could say that how Michael Wilson ended the season was.
39:51The most impressive. A Cardinals wide receiver has looked over the last two years.
39:55Um, which honestly made me even more angry because my whole thing, you know, with, with this whole situation is like, why
40:01is it always just Michael Wilson at Z and Marvin Harrison at X?
40:04Like when Michael Wilson can very, like, again, you go look at the comps for him.
40:09It's all like T Higgins, like X receivers and stuff like that.
40:12So I, I, and I think they'll use more interchangeably here, but yeah, sorry, sorry to cut you off, but God, this is, that was so frustrating.
40:20That almost, it was so frustrating because I like Michael Wilson and they just completely, but then you talk about like Marv,
40:26when he was in the game, you like target mogs.
40:28Michael Wilson. It's just like you, it's just makes no sense.
40:32Yeah. And look, I would love just for my sanity to have 17 games of Jacoby Brissett, but we're not going to get that.
40:38You know, Carson Beck's going to get starts this year.
40:41The Cardinals schedule is the Chargers Seahawks, 49ers Giants, Lions Rams, Broncos, Cowboys Seahawks, Rams, Chiefs, commanders, and Eagles before their week 14 by.
40:48Um, sweet. It's rough. Yeah. We're going to see back and like third round rookies in the fantasy playoffs is like, it just not going to be pretty.
40:55By the way, the history of having like three, uh, pass catchers in the top 100 is already really bad.
41:01Like, unless you have like a, a truly elite, like the Joe Burrow with Tyler Boyd offenses.
41:06We're not getting that. Like multiple of these guys are going to bust at ADP.
41:10Um, I'm really nervous about the training bride stuff in round two.
41:13Like I would not recommend that. I wouldn't touch.
41:16Nope. Uh, I still, I don't think I can recommend Marv.
41:19Even if I went into this, I'm like, he's a little bit better than I thought he was after sitting there and just watching him in isolation.
41:26So here's, here's how, here's how I've advised, like how I'm going to handle the, the Marvin Harrison Jr.
41:31situation. If you can, if you can't tell, like I'm pot committed to Marv, uh, like forever, forever.
41:36So like, if he has a great season this year, I'm going to feel like joy from that.
41:41Regardless, I don't need to sit here for the next month and on, on our podcasts now guys and tell people to draft Marvin Harrison Jr.
41:48And then when he doesn't do anything, like they're pissed at me.
41:52So, uh, because that's the most likely outcome here.
41:54Uh, so yeah, I think if Marv is good this year, we can all just enjoy it.
41:59It doesn't need to help our fantasy teams. Cause he is going back to back in consensus rankings out there from experts,
42:05uh, with Roma Dunze and the two could not be more different.
42:08And I don't know if you guys agree or disagree.
42:11I almost want to take like a mystery box and Carnell Tate above Marvin Harrison Jr.
42:16This year. I don't know. Those. Give me another name.
42:18I literally have them back to back at like the end of that tier.
42:22Yeah. And I'm a little worried. Carnell Tate's going to get target mogged by Wanda Robinson with the cheapies, but that's a, for another podcast.
42:29Just, just how the consensus rankings are going. It's Marv, then Carnell Tate, then Alec Pierce, DK Metcalf.
42:34And then actually brings us to our next name in Brian Thomas Jr.
42:38Who's the eighth pick in the eighth round over on Yahoo.
42:41That's wide receiver 36. He finished last year, as we all know, as the wide receiver of 45 in points per game.
42:47You know, one of the questions of fantasy draft season is how are the Jags going to deploy their wide receivers?
42:53So for you, Matt, from week 10 on after Jacoby Myers was added to this roster, where did and does Brian Thomas Jr.
42:59Fit in that group? I kind of think we do need to throw out most of, if not all of Brian Thomas
43:05Jr.'s 2025 season due to injuries, you know? And by the way, that's just a theme with like all of these guys with Marv.
43:12I mean, he had appendicitis, concussion, and then the heel injury.
43:15All, of course, after Kyler Murray gets benched. Classic.
43:17But yeah, I mean, Rome injuries. Some of the guys we haven't even talked about yet.
43:22Just tons of injuries. So it's a theme for this entire class and why I think drafters in fantasy right now just
43:28aren't looking at these 2024 receivers when they should be.
43:30And Dynasty Bros should be buying these guys because they've just left a bad taste in everyone's mouth.
43:35And that includes Brian Thomas Jr. But I think if you want to just look at what his season was last year
43:42in isolation, like there were a couple of things you even in this fantastic rookie season where we can be honest.
43:47He did go crazy in the back half when everybody else was hurt and they were a lost team and Mac Jones is throwing passes.
43:54That doesn't mean that like he can't produce for Trevor Lawrence.
43:57But even in this great rookie season, you could nitpick a couple of things, which primarily was like running quick routes over
44:03the middle of the field and beating zone coverage consistently.
44:06And those became like two massive issues that defined his entire second season as a rookie 77% success rate versus zone coverage, which was 38th percentile mark.
44:14But for his archetype, it's not the worst thing in the world that falls down to 69.8% this past year, which is
44:20just like a mess for in terms of success rate versus zone.
44:23Um, I think that that can get better with health.
44:26You know, he said it doesn't hurt to run anymore in OTAs, which is encouraging.
44:30So it really does come down to the role for him.
44:33And that's where I get kind of like I can go both ways on this Brian Thomas Jr.
44:38situation because theoretically, like if this is a team that's running more heavy personnel, if this is a team that's going to
44:44have a receiver rotation to me, like the base case for what's going to happen in Jacksonville this year is going to
44:50look very similar to the Green Bay Packers, where it's a bunch of guys rotating in and out and they still play
44:56heavy personnel and they want to run the football a decent bit.
45:00Well, the guy that ends up playing the most there is usually like Romeo Dobbs because he was the X receiver and
45:06like BTJ should be the team's X receiver. And I think we've gotten to a point and this is partly my fault
45:12with because of saying sacrificial X receiver where like people have begun to think like being an X receiver is bad.
45:18Like, no, you want to be you want to have an awesome X receiver and BTJ theoretically could be that even last
45:24year while he's having this nightmare season, still solid results as a man press beater, just more so on the vertical plane,
45:30not the stuff going over the middle of the field.
45:32But I think he can still be a really valuable player for Jacksonville in that role and even X receivers in this offense.
45:39You know, if you like Mike Evans in 2024, if he just has Mike Evans's route tree in a Liam Cohen offense,
45:45I think that's good enough to not be like a sacrificial player, you know?
45:49So I'm actually totally comfortable drafting him in fantasy this year because I think if somebody is going to be a big
45:55hit from this room, it's going to be BTJ, but I don't know how many universes that he is that big hit.
46:01Yeah, you kind of are the Robert Oppenheimer of the sacrificial X wide receiver.
46:05Yeah, what have I done? I know. Look what happened to him and look what happened to you.
46:10I mean, here you are. We'll see how it goes for me.
46:13Go ahead. No spoilers. I haven't seen it yet.
46:16Dude, even I've seen Oppenheimer and I haven't seen anything.
46:18I'll go to the movies. It's insane. I've watched this tape.
46:21The thing with Brian Thomas is he's going to catch the ball cleaner than he did last year.
46:26I just think part of the thing was you're getting absolutely obliterated, hurt his wrist in the preseason that caught up to him.
46:33And but I don't think he's going to have the same role that he had as the rookie season.
46:38Like you guys said, just because of the surrounding parts to some of the rotation that could come into play here.
46:44So last year, he was the widest. We were 37 in expected points.
46:47I think it's a good baseline. Here's the thing where I think could get better for him.
46:52I think he can still be a really good player and like outproduce that.
46:56And speaking like the Packers guys, when you said that, I know he's going to play a lot of like the Dobbs
47:02role, like role, like on the line of scrimmage.
47:05But I do think that he can have a Christian Watson type of season.
47:08If things go well, he has to get a lot better at that.
47:12He's got to play a little bit faster. So some of the notes that I had is last year, he only had eight receptions against man coverage.
47:20I think that plays in and he was just like not himself the year before that, like almost tripled that number.
47:25And he was winning down the football field. There were some slant wins after the catch, which we did not see at all this last season.
47:33I just get a little bit concerned that all the manufactured stuff is just like not going to go to him anymore.
47:39Under five air yards, he had three and a half targets two years ago.
47:42This last year, that was down at 1.3. So screen rain went from 11% down to 1%.
47:47I thought he was really good in the screen manufacturer department.
47:50I'm just not sure if we're going to get that because Parker Walker.
47:54I think Parker's getting it. Yeah. Parker's going to get a lot of that.
47:58They do that stuff with Tootin. And Brendan Strange was kind of absorbing, not the exact manufacturer touches, but like in that general parts of the field.
48:05Jacoby Myers can kind of do that thing. Obviously, Travis Hunter.
48:08So it's kind of the middle ground between the two seasons.
48:11I feel really good. He's going to be way better in isolation.
48:15I just don't think that the role is going to necessarily come with him.
48:18Boom, bust, wide receiver three. To me, it's like a classic fantasy archetype.
48:22He can absolutely outperform this ADP. I mean, when you have and finish with an 18.1 ADOT over what the final seven, eight games of the season.
48:29If those hit and you run hot, then yeah.
48:32I mean, those are massive points. You're going to have massive weeks on top of it.
48:36At the same time, I firmly do believe like we have seen already the best fancy output from Brian Thomas Jr.
48:42in the NFL. And I know we're already entering his year three, and that's a very short time in his NFL career.
48:48But like what we saw at the end of his rookie season that forced us to draft him at the one two turn.
48:55I just don't know if we're going to see that in this version of the Liam Cohen offense because the room is so stacked.
49:01And just how they utilized BTJ at the end of last year.
49:05And again, it's a small sample. We are working with small samples here.
49:08But at the same time, this is the entire supporting cast that's returning on top of actually drafting a tight end in round two.
49:15That's going to allow them to play more heavier personnel sets.
49:18But getting back to it, Brian Thomas Jr. ranked third among these receivers on the team in terms of the targets from
49:24week 10 on 17% of his routes. 21% for Jacoby Myers.
49:2725.5% for Parker Washington. I already mentioned in 18.
49:30A 1.35 yards per route run. 36% of his targets in that span were 20 plus yards on the field.
49:35I just think like from an environmental standpoint, the crossing routes, mill the field, that fringe on down the field, but are
49:41more intermediate is such a focal point for Liam Cohen.
49:44And we discussed why, but BTJ was such like a net negative in that area of the field that going out and
49:50getting Jacoby and now the emergence of Parker Washington and also Britain's range in that area just makes him like so much
49:56lower in that totem pole that he's still going to have routes on this team.
50:00But I just think like he's not even close to being a funnel type player that he was and we were hoping to at this point last year.
50:08Yeah, I think that's right. At the same time, like we just mentioned Harrison, Carnell Tate, like I would take the shot on BTJ over those guys.
50:15And I like Harrison. I think I might rather have Harrison and Dynasty just on the chance that they fall into a
50:22quarterback in next year's draft, which they probably could.
50:24But yeah, BTJ stuff. But at the same time, like if there's a big hit from this room, I think it will be BTJ.
50:31But I don't know that there's going to be a big hit from this room because like Travis Hunter is still going
50:37to run at least like 20% of the routes, maybe more than that.
50:40You know, I just like it's going to be very rotation heavy base, the whole deal.
50:45So we'll see. I've been listening to the Jaguars reporters.
50:48We have to. It's like the number one thing between the backfield and the receiver mix for all the training camp.
50:53They think that Travis Hunter is going to play like infinitely more snaps at corner.
50:57And one of the reporters even thinks that CJ Williams might play more snaps than Travis Hunter.
51:02And Travis is like only going to play a little bit of wide receiver.
51:06The more I've kind of thought about this, like isn't the simplest answer, like Jacoby Myers is like just not nearly as involved.
51:12He does some of the sacrificial stuff. We can applaud his blocking stuff.
51:16And then like we go back to Brian Thomas, Parker, Washington at one.
51:20I don't know. He stays there. He's like a rash, man.
51:23Like, yeah, I think that he's just the peak of Brian Thomas and watching Parker, Washington, Parker, Washington.
51:28I think clears Jacoby Myers. I think that the easiest stuff could be Jacoby just like takes a backseat, not in terms
51:34of like a bunch of playing time difference, but just like where you're dialing things up.
51:38I just I'm hoping that Brian Thomas gets a little bit better.
51:41And then I really like what Parker Washington was doing and like some of the similar stuff that Jacoby Myers provides.
51:47I think that's up to Brian Thomas, Jr., though, like if if he shows the inconsistencies and the negative plays, then obviously
51:53they'll lean more in those two wide receiver sets on the steady Eddie.
51:57That is Jacoby Myers. But maybe he has the opportunity to like have that role early on.
52:02And if he is consistent in it, then he does keep Jacoby off the field in those scenarios.
52:07Yeah, I mean, this is a fascinating one. Also, they go through a period of time facing outside corners like Denzel Ward,
52:13Patrick Sertan, Christian Gonzalez, DJ Turner, Quinion Mitchell and Derek Stingley.
52:16And we know where Brian Thomas, you're just going to line up a lot.
52:20Yeah, that's where he could get sacrifice. That's where the X can be sacrificial in those situations.
52:24So it's tough. Yeah. He is still going as the first Jaguars wide receiver on every single platform and in every single ranking out there.
52:31He is very close in the same round as Parker Washington and Jacoby's a round or two later, depending on where you're drafting.
52:38But yeah, I want to get this right and I want to get the backfield right.
52:42Like that is critical. I think league settings really matter for these two between Thomas and Parker Washington.
52:47Like the roles are so different that, you know, full PPR, half PPR, best ball, not best ball like that type of stuff matters here.
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53:21Yeah. Speaking of good information, let's talk about Ricky Pierce.
53:24All the second pick of the 10th round on Yahoo.
53:27That's wide receiver 41 finished last year's wide receiver 52.
53:29Regrettably. I spent all of last summer telling people to draft Ricky Pierce.
53:33All when he played, you know, he performed. There are four games, top 24 scoring wide receiver.
53:38He only appeared in nine. So Matt, I'm here to ask you, should I spend the rest of this summer telling people to draft Ricky Pierce?
53:45All because I really want to. Josh, we're doing it.
53:48We're doing it again, man. Um, we're so doing it again.
53:51God, there's a range of receivers where it's like Ricky Pierce, all Josh downs, Jaden Reed.
53:55And I'm like, can, can we just, that that's where I almost want to go full boomer and, you know, load up
54:01on running backs and just hit those. But they all go kind of in the same range.
54:06So you got to make picks there, which is tough.
54:09But, um, anyways, second time we've mentioned Josh down sneakily on the, it's a running joke for a reason, baby.
54:14Uh, but yeah, Ricky Pierce, all, I still can't believe there are people out there that swear.
54:19This guy's like not a good receiver. They just like, don't have eyeballs there.
54:23They're in the spread. They're way too deep in the spreadsheets.
54:26Get out of the spreadsheets and watch the film.
54:28Ricky Pierce, all really good player and was productive.
54:31Like when he was healthy for five seconds last year, he was third in the NFL in receiving yards for the first three weeks of the season.
54:38They can never take it away from us. Um, I mean, it was going to work.
54:43Damn it. It was going to work. And that was all while last year, my theory on this.
54:48And obviously I could be, I could be totally off on this, but like they basically had to cobble together the role
54:54that they thought Brandon Iuke was going to play for this team by essentially having Jennings play way too much outside on
55:00ball than is, is conducive for his skillset. And for Ricky Pierce, all to be this massive vertical route player, which he
55:06can definitely do a strong success rate versus man numbers last year.
55:09And he wins on those big breaking routes, which is good.
55:12But I mean, I think if you go back and look at what he was doing as a rookie, he was more
55:18off the ball, more in the, more in the slot and running these games game.
55:22And yeah, these, and the, and even before that too, like his first game and this film wasn't great.
55:28Cause he was coming back from the gunshot injury, the gunshot situation.
55:31But like, he was running all of these like return routes, like whip routes, like go outside, snap it back inside to
55:37give Purdy these like big chunk completions over the middle of the field.
55:41And then there just wasn't almost any of that last year because they had to make him the vertical player.
55:46Cause the other option was Juwan Jennings who like Josh, you probably run faster than Juwan Jennings at this point.
55:52I don't know. Maybe Hayden runs faster than like a four, seven, six coming out of Tennessee.
55:56If I'm not mistaken, that would be, that would be the fastest fantasy analyst has run ever.
56:01Like, I don't care who it is. Just quick sidebar.
56:04Roto Pat was certain over like the decade I worked with him that he could clear five seconds.
56:09Love you Roto Pat, but every single time that made me.
56:12That's absurd. I could do it if it wasn't for my bad knee, but that's a separate conversation.
56:17Anyways. Yeah. I think that when you, when you just look at Ricky Pierce, like I think he could end up really
56:23being more like a, just a different player at the position this year because they added Mike Evans.
56:28So like Mike Evans, just being the extra receiver of this offense outside on ball, it's going to allow Ricky Pierce all
56:34to do a lot of the big breaking routes, but also just get way more layups than he did last year, which was essentially none.
56:41Yeah. I mean, if you look at his like a dot, how involved he is, like the manufacturer department, he's like closest
56:47to like Rashid Shahid, Jordan Addison, Jameson Williams. I think that he has more lateral ability than, than some of those guys.
56:53And yeah, you just like not put in those situations.
56:56I think that he's a near lock to have more than five targets per game, which is what he had last year.
57:02I mean, he's playing through that season on like one and a half leagues.
57:06It's interesting because I think he's really good at like the vertical intermediate stuff, like all, like he can really tap the
57:12brakes and, and hit all these big breaking routes.
57:14Yes. He's done zero after the catch and like the underneath stuff.
57:18He's broken zero tackles, according to PFF. Like we got to figure that out.
57:22Like he's too good to not be doing that.
57:24Sometimes when I watch him, like when he gets tackled, like he really gets tackled.
57:28It's kind of like the Lad McConkie stuff. I think he's a tier below Lad McConkie athletically, but it is like fascinating
57:34to see somebody who you'd think gets involved in that department.
57:37Like none of it. And that's, you know, that's a kiddo thing.
57:41That's a McCaffrey thing. That's you can name a bunch of different reasons, but that is like the one glaring weakness in the profile so far.
57:48And I think injuries and all that type of stuff could explain some of it.
57:52So Ricky, I saw you mentioned broke zero tackles.
57:55I've been charting, you know, hundreds of receivers since 2014.
57:57There's these are the only guys that have like zero broken tackles in the season that I've charted.
58:02There's going to be some names that we've already discussed and one that we will discuss in a second.
58:08And Ricky Pearsall, Marvin Harrison Jr. from his rookie season, Aidy Mitchell from his rookie season, Josh Palmer, DJ Chark, Marquez Valdez-Scantling, Van Jefferson and Henry Ruggs.
58:15So like that's it's a very small group of players.
58:18And he went down on first contact on 85% of the plays I charted in his rookie season as well.
58:23Like he's just like break a tackle Ricky Pearsall challenge is definitely like I would love to see him get more layups
58:29than he did last year because he didn't get any.
58:32But I don't know he's gonna be doing much after the catch because which is weird because he's like a decent kick returner.
58:39I think Mike Evans is such a huge window for Ricky Pearsall in that.
58:42I agree. Like it's so obvious when you're watching this 49er scene and they're somewhat healthy that Kyle loves to move Ricky around.
58:49And that's only going to be good things for us.
58:52You know, he's the one that you get in these full speed motions, these fly motions, getting into stacks and these free releases.
58:58And if that's the case, he is one of these guys to me that you give him separation, he sustains it and
59:04can even create it at multiple levels. So as long as Mike Evans hamstrings stay intact, I think that allows us to
59:10have Ricky Pearsall in like the best situation possible for him.
59:13I'm just I can't believe I'm so optimistic for a guy who has like 99 targets in his career so far and
59:19less than a thousand yards through two seasons. I don't want to be of this mindset of well, he's had these fluke
59:25and crazy injuries over these last two years and that's just going to sustain itself because I really do think when it
59:31all comes together for this 49er scene, if it ever is again, Ricky Pearsall is just gonna be like a massive beneficiary
59:37for because Kyle is exactly the type of play caller.
59:40I think that's going to get the most out of this styling of a player.
59:44I like all these guys in this range. I I put Ricky Pearsall a tier above all the guys in this ADP
59:50just because I think that his ultimate upside is like he plays every single snap, you know, George Kittle.
59:56Like we'll see if he's going to play the first month of the season.
60:00Like I don't think that's a given of given when he actually tore his Achilles.
60:04Mike Evans has been struggling to stay held. He's still pretty good football player when he's been out there, though.
60:09And yeah, the CMC stuff, like if he goes down with an injury and we're talking about 2530 touches per game going somewhere else.
60:16So I think his like pathway to being like the wide receiver 16 and scoring this year is a little bit clearer
60:22to me than a lot of the other guys that have like not done it yet that have flashed.
60:27And yeah, right now he's he seems good to go.
60:30So just quickly in rankings of where these guys are listed because Michael Wilson, Michael Pittman, Quentin Johnson, Makai Lemon, Ricky Pearsall,
60:36then Jacoby Myers, Jordan Addison, Wondale Robinson. Oh, my God.
60:39Yeah. I mean, Ricky Pearsall over all of those guys.
60:42It's just like if you're trying to hit if you're just trying to get on base and like a best ball format,
60:48like the Michael Pittman, Jacoby Myers, you know, boring picks like I get it.
60:52But but yeah, Wondale, too, is in that bucket.
60:54But yeah, any Quentin Johnson is fine. But yeah, I would take Ricky Pearsall over all those guys.
60:59You know, his his top two comparables, by the way, in the player comparison tool on the site are like two Adam
61:05Thielen seasons, which I think like ultimate up. I don't know.
61:08That's like white guy to white guy, but I know that input is not in the tool.
61:13It makes sense. But like, yeah, like kind of flanker slot runs.
61:16Isn't just a bunny hop receiver runs big breaking routes.
61:19It's I think that's like the best use for him.
61:22I mean, I will say we just appeared on the Ringer Fancy football show for a two parter.
61:27It turned into and you were shouted out for that Ricky Pearsall Adam Thielen because Heifetz said he did the drop down
61:33and went to skin color and said, oh, it's right.
61:36Jack Besh to the current version of Cooper Cup.
61:38I heard that. I heard that on the show today.
61:41OK, let's talk about Xavier Worthy. I'm not and am excited for this conversation at the same time.
61:46He's going in the 11th round on Yahoo. Simple question for you, Matt.
61:49Matt, what is Xavier Worthy and what can he be?
61:52Yeah. So let's just be honest. I was lower than consensus on Xavier Worthy as a prospect.
61:57I was lower than consensus on Xavier Worthy coming out of his rookie year.
62:01At the same time, if I'm going to do the like, hey, we got to give this guy a pass for this,
62:07that and the other due to injuries. We have to be intellectually consistent here and say that we can give Xavier Worthy
62:13a pass for his second season because he got blasted by a teammate that is listed.
62:17And I'm going to emphasize listed as 85 pounds heavier than him.
62:21And I'm going to go ahead and actually take the over on the 85 pounds there.
62:25So, yeah, I think that a lot of, you know, where these second season was just really banged from the start, literally.
62:31But, you know, it wasn't a good result on the field.
62:34Like he really struggles to separate. He goes down on first contact all the time.
62:38He's not going to be useful against press man coverage whatsoever, which is a problem because the Chiefs best receiver is only good against zone coverage.
62:46So that's really like these two guys just should not be on the same team together whatsoever.
62:50It's just is a nightmare in that room because of that.
62:53But I mean, he's not a completely useless player.
62:56There are areas where he definitely wins. Like he's good on quick out routes against man coverage.
63:00He can win there. But it's just the deep stuff is not is not come together for him, mostly because he just
63:07is he's just he's just too small. He's just playing out position.
63:10Like to me, what's his numbers like on the line of scrimmage, like just sitting there watching and just like he's on
63:16the line of scrimmage way too often. And he just can't get enough space to like be good and on breaking routes.
63:22He's like the 71 percent snaps outside. He was on the ball, which went up from 43 percent to 53 percent.
63:28Yeah, you felt it. You felt that. Yeah. To me, he should never be on the ball.
63:33Like he shouldn't. He should never be on the ball.
63:35He's 165 pounds. Come on. Be a good downfield receiver.
63:38You have to be more than fast because these corners at an NFL level, just an average one right now, slow him down to their speed.
63:45And then they can just play at that. And then when the ball is a tight window target, they just play through
63:51him and he can't come up with it. It's so fascinating to me, like just going through this.
63:56He caught four of 16 20 plus yard targets this past season, seven of 21 the year before and was only four of 13 on the intermediate reception.
64:04During his rookie season as well. Like he really is Hayden to go back to what you were saying.
64:09He's like a nine yard and underneath wide receiver so far in his career.
64:13And that's kind of not how at least I thought he was going to be utilized in the NFL.
64:18Yeah. Last year was I'm almost willing to throw it completely out because the type of routes that on the show.
64:24I know. But this one, I feel I think he may be even stronger about because Andy Reid said that they were
64:30going to throw him a lot of crossing routes and they said they couldn't do that.
64:35They were going to throw him screens. His screen rate dropped like almost to zero this last year because they knew if
64:41he got tackled on that delicate shoulder, like you just be out for even longer than that.
64:46And all that said, when Taequann Thornton's you're also your third guy, like someone's getting jammed.
64:50Like, so who is that going to be? I do in the back of my mind.
64:54I do wonder. Do we just start like closing the gap between where she rice and Xavier worthy and the manufactured touches
65:01and how you're utilizing them to some degree? I think that would be a smart thing, just like, you know, hedging against
65:07the entire situation that you have in Kansas City there.
65:09But the he has to face more off coverage to win downfield like that's just kind of the reality or you have
65:15to get him running crossers where I think he's got a little bit better of a chance.
65:20But in order to do that, you have to, you know, make that a priority.
65:24And I think that they probably were going to do that last year to some extent.
65:29The second play of this season before he lost his shoulder was actually a run to Xavier worthy.
65:34It's like you can kind of extrapolate maybe where this thing was going, but it's you have to really speculate here to get excited about Xavier worthy.
65:41Two things. One, like you get two beers in me and I would tell you that Cyrus Allen, their fifth round pick
65:47is easily the best man coverage receiver on this team.
65:50It's not. Well, yeah, it's not Rasheed Rice. I mean, Rasheed Rice has a 4.69 average depth of target the last three
65:56seasons, which out of 117 receivers that have run 200 or more routes.
66:00I tell you, Matt, I am shit out of Rasheed Rice this year, though.
66:04Cool. Have fun with that. I actually worry that was this was going to be my second point.
66:09I actually worry that if they can if they can credibly run the ball, are they still going to do all the scammy targets to Rasheed Rice?
66:16And they're going to run the ball this year.
66:19I mean, they were the worst. He had the lowest a dot and they were the worst run game over the last
66:25two years by a decent bit in terms of explosive plays.
66:28So that would be my one worry with Rasheed Rice on the field.
66:31And it's like the hard part with Rice is like, yeah, it's like there's nothing wrong with worthy, even though it's too
66:37limited of a skill set to taking the first round in the NFL draft, whatever.
66:41But like individually, he's a useful player. Rice is a useful player.
66:45But it's just like the way that them being in the same room together is just a huge problem when they don't
66:51have like George Pickens as the number one receiver or something.
66:54Yeah. And technically, I think you could argue that Travis Kelsey is also occupying kind of the same area.
66:59There's another role. You can't role cater to three guys.
67:02Correct. But what if Kelsey is not involved in the offense?
67:05Like that's what I'm saying. Like if Rice scales back a little bit, Kenneth Walker stuff's working.
67:10And then all of a sudden, like Kelsey, like that's where you can picture like Xavier worthy being a boom bust flex
67:16option wide receiver three, which he has. Not done for a very long part.
67:20I think that you can squint and see how things are kind of falling into place for him.
67:25But I think anything beyond that, like he hasn't shown that he's good enough to belong in that tier.
67:30Yeah. And look, the one offseason move that this team made an offense was to add Ken Walker.
67:35And hopefully that changes the math for them just in terms of coverages.
67:38At the same time, you know, the quarterback needs to hit those downfield passes for that to work.
67:43Nick or Colano posted today that in games where she rice has played, Xavier worthy has averaged 2.7 catches.
67:49Per game. Not great. Yeah, not great. You know, and then just overall in his career, he has three games of reaching 80 yards, receiving over 34 appearances.
67:56So, yeah, I mean, maybe Ken Walker is how this whole thing is going to change.
68:01But if it does change, like as much as I think for she rice is a linear skill set player, I still
68:07think that linear skill set is better than what Xavier worthy's linear skill set is.
68:11But maybe I'm going to agree with that. No, I agree.
68:14I agree with that. Okay. Okay. Moving on. Jalen Coker.
68:17You texted me. We got to talk about him.
68:1916th round. You have loved Jalen Coker for multiple seasons since he's entered the NFL and since you got a taste in preseason and everything like that.
68:27Why have you been so on board with Jalen Coker, whereas it even took the Panthers a while to fit him in the starting lineup?
68:34I know we're not going to sit here and advocate for him to be drafted on Yahoo, for example, because he's going in the 16th round.
68:41But just overall, do you think the public has the correct perception of what Jalen Coker's talents are?
68:46No, guys, a stud. Like he's a great receiver.
68:48He's in the only reason the Panthers took forever to do it is one little out of shape at times.
68:54You hear the whispers about that. He'd need to get his body right.
68:58That's okay. Coming from Holy Cross. All right. They don't have the most, you know, I'm not going to say.
69:03Well, speak for yourself. But, you know, I mean, for Jalen Coker, he's getting an NFL weight room, whatever.
69:08He's got his body right. His nutrition, you know, that's fine.
69:11But like skill set wise, this is the archetype of receivers that are smoking in the NFL right now.
69:17Big body. Not as he's not like I know he's listed as 6'3", like 215 pounds.
69:21He's a little bit lighter than that. He's actually built more like Chris Godwin.
69:25And that's kind of the type of player that I think he is like Jacoby Myers is like Chris Godwin type.
69:31He can be a power slot, but can win outside big breaking routes.
69:34He's much better against press man coverage than you would think for somebody that is a UDFA that I'm saying is like Jacoby Myers.
69:41Myers is also a good route runner in those areas as well.
69:44So, yeah, I think he's just a really, really good player.
69:47They got an absolute steal. And I think it's actually I'm not going to sit here and like advocate for the Panthers offense.
69:54I know everybody's first retort is the quarterback, and I get that.
69:57But these reports about McMillan playing more in the slot and everything I think are legit because one he can't he can
70:03almost can't play fewer snaps in the slot than he did last year.
70:0715% last year. Yeah, it was 107th or 101st out of 117 receivers with 200 plus routes last year.
70:12So, yeah, he he's towards the bottom. He's not quite in the George Pickens Rashad Bateman zone, but like he's pretty much just an X.
70:19That's going to change this year. A big part of that is because Coker can actually play on the outside, like watch
70:25him late in the season, like Rams line up against man coverage as an X receiver.
70:29Big. Oh, the Rams game. Big wins on go routes.
70:32And they draft Chris Brazel, who's just like the perfect sacrificial receiver, at least to start, like get him on the Alec
70:38Pierce path where he's just clear in space earlier and then see what he can be by, you know, year four or whatever.
70:45And, you know, Leggett's going to do his thing every now and again, maybe.
70:48But I think they're one of these teams that actually could go against the trend because they have these big body receivers and be more spread.
70:56Now, I wish they didn't have to pack up offensive tackles necessarily.
70:59But yeah, that's a part of the issue there.
71:01But yeah, I think they could be one of these teams to go against the trend, spread things out, get these three receivers on the field a lot.
71:09And I think Coker is going to get a lot more targets than people think.
71:13I think the fact that Coker can win on the outside is like the reason why T-Max is going to go in the slot this year.
71:21I mean, it's like perfect, perfectly timed for Coker to be breaking out as they drafted Ted Aroa.
71:26I thought his film was pretty legit. He's one of these interesting guys where his catch radius is pretty big.
71:31And then you're like, he's not like blowing by guys like with like straight line speed.
71:35But then like you go look, he had a 42 and a half inch vertical, which is absurd.
71:40So he's got this like nice catch radius working over the middle.
71:44I think Jacoby Myers is an excellent comp there.
71:46Just like to remind folks, nine for 134 and a touchdown in the playoff game.
71:50He played 88% of the snaps there for a lot of his career.
71:54He was kind of in that 66% snap rate in those games.
71:57He averaged nine and a half half EPR points, which would have been like wide receiver 34.
72:02There's no way he's not playing 85, 90, 95% of the snaps this year.
72:06Like they have to do that. The other two guys, Brazel and Leggett, those guys will rotate as the wide receiver three.
72:12And I think the best of Bryce stuff is the spread them out stuff.
72:16Like that's how I would orchestrate this thing. If you can't block them up, get the ball out quickly.
72:21Let Bryce throw these huge lollipops towards the sideline, like right as the ball is snapped.
72:26And like, I think Coker can come down with some of those.
72:29And obviously Ted Aroa can too. So I see how the offense is kind of coming together here.
72:34I think that Coker should be drafted in redraft leagues.
72:37I think there's enough here. And if T-Mac did go down with an injury, I think he's skilled enough that he would be an every week starter.
72:44Cause just the rest of the offense, like those guys are just like not target earners.
72:49So I think that he's like a good, like handcuff and redraft.
72:52And then in best ball, I do think that he's good enough to like have random spike weeks.
72:57And new play caller here in Brad Aidsic. And Hayden, you and I have talked with us at length this summer.
73:03This team, despite having the same coaching staff has still struggled to start seasons of how to build a correct passing attack.
73:09And I think from the jump this year, they're finally going to attack down the field.
73:13Again, people have their thoughts on Bryce Young. But if you look at the underlying numbers, he is one of the more efficient downfield throwers in the league.
73:21And you see that in that Rams game. Like a lot of those were really nice throws.
73:26And I think they're going to lean into that from the start with these bigger bodies that they have.
73:31And T-Mac can do that. And Jalen Coker can definitely do that.
73:34And like, he was going to be in three wide receiver sets to start last year.
73:39And then as soon as they trade away Adam Thielen, he gets injured in training camp.
73:43And then, you know, things have gotten better as the wide receiver room.
73:47Hunter Renfro was their slot receiver. And like, no disrespect to Hunter Renfro made a big time comeback.
73:52But like, that is the slot only of slot onlys of all time.
73:55So, yeah. And then when Hunter's in there, you know, then you can't move T-Mac in the slot because Hunter Renfro can't play anywhere else.
74:02So, like, I bet T-Mac plays like 30% of the snaps in the slot.
74:06So, it's doubling what he did last year. Let's not go crazy and start calling him a big slot out there and just overemphasize and stuff.
74:13Like Drake London. Yeah. I mean, like Drake London.
74:16They were the same family of receivers. I think London's a little bit better and has a higher ceiling.
74:21I liked it better as a prospect. But, yeah.
74:23Like, London was 39% snaps in the slot in 2024 on passing plays.
74:27That's good enough. And when they're in the slot, the ball is basically going to them.
74:31Yeah. I'm excited for Jalen Coker. Really fun player.
74:34Really good player. Makes some difficult grabs and then makes some highlight real ones on the outside.
74:39Okay. Let's end this episode with some three quick hitters.
74:41Just because for us sickos that have been drafting best ball all summer, these guys are kind of relevant.
74:47First is Adonai Mitchell. Matt. Matt. Chances that he's the second highest scoring wide receiver on the Jets this season.
74:52Even? I mean, I think it's like even between him and...
74:55Pretty good. He is the only receiver in the NFL.
74:58James Coe jokes about this. Like, every receiver, I'm like, yeah, he could be better off the ball.
75:03He could be better in the slot. He's like the only receiver.
75:06I never want to see him in the slot.
75:09I never want... Like, just... Like, he should be what George Pickens was last year.
75:13Like, the farthest away from the ball. You're doing your own thing.
75:16Because I know he gets kind of painted as this great separator.
75:20Super overrated as a separator because he can't beat zone coverage.
75:23But like these one-on-one situations on like just basically four routes.
75:26Slant. Body control. He can't roll out, you know, nine.
75:28He can be good on those routes, but that's about it.
75:31No more notes than that for me. That's it.
75:34Hayden, is there a difference to you, though, in your mindset with him where, you know, at the start of the summer
75:40on Underdog, we were drafting him in the 18th round.
75:43And now, because we hate all those picks, basically, from the 14th round to the 18th round, now he's a 15th round pick.
75:49Like, is there any change in your wavelength on that?
75:52No, I think that's fair. Like, that's where I would be ranking him.
75:55Um, I think that Omar Cooper, the, are they going to trust him in two wide receiver sets?
76:00Because I think they are going to use two wide receiver sets a lot because they have, you know, Mason Taylor as
76:07a, as somebody, whoever's going to be out there in two wide receiver sets is going to be the one that outscores the one that's not in them.
76:14So is Omar Cooper going to push Adonai Mitchell, not in three wide receivers.
76:18It's the two wide receiver set stuff. And like, we'll see.
76:21Omar Cooper is kind of like, I think probably best in the slot did play some flanker.
76:26Like he's kind of in between. And I think it's just up to him just like to push Adonai Mitchell and best ball.
76:32I'm sure Mitchell will have a couple 40 yard touchdowns this year, but the volume is not going to be there consistently.
76:38Obviously Matt, I don't even know if you charted this guy, but I have to ask, cause this is the bleakest widers heaver room in the NFL.
76:46What should our thoughts be on Malik Washington? Oh God.
76:49I haven't charted Malik Washington yet, but I did like him as a prospect.
76:52Um, no, it's okay. I've done it. Like I've done a couple of games.
76:56I don't have a full profile up on him yet.
76:59Cause, uh, he will, and he, but he will be on the site because I did like him as a prospect and
77:05I'm just curious, but for the most part, I think he's, he's like been a creative touch guy who, um, can win
77:11against zone coverage at times, but I don't think there's like a high, high ceiling here.
77:16But again, did like him as a prospect. Uh, he showed he could beat man coverage at UVA.
77:21So that was exciting. And I think he should be better with the ball in his hands than he's been so far.
77:27So I do like Malik Washington. I'm holding out like a little bit of hope for him, but I mean, my God, the dolphins just right.
77:34I mean, what a, what a disaster. That's why I asked because of what this wide receiver room is at this point.
77:40And like, other than Chris bell, is he the most exciting name from that group?
77:44Like I have found myself literally getting to drafts and end of best ball leagues and saying, I don't want to draft any of these guys.
77:51Why not just take a shot on Malik Washington instead of Jalen Tolbert and Tutu Atwell, you know, you don't take, never take Tutu Atwell or Jalen Tolbert.
77:59Like, come on. It's Greg Dulcich for me. You guys can have, oh yeah.
78:03Yeah. Yeah. Someone I was taking in that range, Matt.
78:06And I mean, this guy might've climbed the most in the last month than any other player is Ryan Flournoy of the Dallas Cowboys.
78:12He's a very fun player. Yeah. He has climbed from round 18 up to the middle of the 14th round.
78:18Matt, if this was, I don't know, the 2011 NFL season, I think we could really get excited about Ryan Flournoy as like a slot type player.
78:25Uh, I just fear. And I know that he really won't have any fantasy relevance unless one of these Cowboys wide receivers
78:31are sidelined for a long period of time. But as soon as he is, he will headline the waiver wire column or video for every single person.
78:39No. Yeah. Named no because of that. And, uh, dynasty wise is, is a good, you know, I stuck him at the
78:45end of my benches all last year. Cause, um, you know, shout out.
78:49I hate to give producer Colin any credit, but I'm going to give him credit here that he was on me all last year.
78:55Like you got to chart Ryan for the guy's really good.
78:58And I was like, Colin, he's a Cowboys fan.
79:01I'm like, I'm not charting Ryan Flournoy. And then Nate said to do it.
79:05So I was like, all right, I'll listen to Nate.
79:07Uh, so I did. And like, he's legit. Flournoy is legit.
79:10Good. Like he's a, he was a legitimately good player can, can beat man coverage, can sink and win over the middle of the field.
79:17Uh, I actually think his presence as a third receiver, sometimes like what the, what these third receivers are and what they
79:23do to the top two guys for fantasy for us is definitely more important than what they are in their own right.
79:30Even though I think Flournoy is a legit good player and he would be awesome if either of these two guys weren't
79:36on the team, but you gotta remember like last year CD lamb opened up the season as the Z receiver, not as the slot receiver.
79:43Cause their third receiver was the aforementioned Jalen Tolbert and Kevante Turpin, who, you know, is a tiny like kick returner.
79:48Now that Flournoy has emerged. I actually think that kicks lamb back into the slot more cause Flournoy can win coverage as a Z receiver.
79:55I totally agree. He was part of our wide receiver sleepers just for that very reason.
80:00Like when lamb was out, he saw more of the slot stuff, but then at the same time you saw him on
80:06the outside and two wide receiver set looks and he actually held his own as an outside wide receiver.
80:11Like Florida, when did you say he, when did you say he was like back in the 18th round?
80:16Was that, uh, I think at the start of the summer, he was like a 17th or 18th round pick.
80:22Yeah, dude. Literally the last video I posted on my YouTube channel, uh, was like Ryan Flournoy is a good player.
80:28Like peace out. I'm going to Portugal for, you know, two weeks and I come back and he's like a 14th round.
80:34He's a 14th round pick. Yes. Yes. That's what happens.
80:37That's what happens. Hayden, any closing thoughts here? I've had a really good tier of receivers to be buying low on this
80:43for injuries just across, across the board. I think all these guys have upside.
80:46I think the Ricky Pierce all shot is really good one to take later on.
80:51And then I think that you can swing. I would say like Roma Doomsday is a really good swing at where he's being drafted.
80:57And then I think the Malik neighbor stuff, if you're drafting for today, I think his ADP is going to go up,
81:03but the PUP stuff is a really big deal.
81:06Yeah. Rome is the guy for me that I, I mean, just he's the one I want most out of this group at cost.
81:12I agree with neighbors and McConkie too. One other name, just to note, like I think Jalen McMillan took some nice steps
81:19at the end of last year against man coverage as a vertical player and at least can be like their X receiver
81:25while Ted Hurst gets up to speed coming up from Georgia state.
81:28So that's useful for the Mecca Ibuka bags as well.
81:31But we'll have to see if Keon Coleman can make the video next year, but we'll see.
81:35No answer is I don't like his odds. I do not like his odds.
81:39All right. That's going to do it for us.
81:42This is the first episode of our Yahoo era.
81:44We have four episodes per week until the season kicks off at least four episodes per week.
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81:51Join us here. We're so excited to be a part of this amazing team that Matt has now been a part of
81:58for years and years and years and has helped build.
82:00He was a major reason why we wanted to join this Yahoo crew.
82:04And if you're new to our channel, we have plenty of other videos already on the channel from earlier in the summer.
82:10I mean, sleepers. We have Ron Stewart's favorite picks.
82:12Five running backs. You wouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole.
82:16I mean, we've got tons of stuff out there.
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82:24Matt, thanks so much. Anything you want to plug before we get out of here?
82:28Yeah. Yahoo fantasy forecast. You plugged the YouTube channel several times.
82:31Definitely check that out. And reception perception dot com.
82:34I got profiles on all these guys. The new player comparison tool where, you know, like I said, it's fun.
82:39You can get lost on that thing, man. Just playing around a little bit.
82:43So I think people will enjoy it. Awesome. All right, everyone.
82:46Up the Velo. We'll talk to you guys soon.
82:48See ya.

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