Quarterback Queries

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48 min

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Jul 10, 2026

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Fri, July 10, 2026

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Bo NixCaleb WilliamsCeeDee LambChris OlaveChristian McCaffreyDaniel JonesDrake MayeJustin FieldsJustin JeffersonKyler MurrayLamar JacksonMalik WillisMatthew StaffordTrevor Lawrence

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Bo Nix

NegativeInjury39:00

Bo Nix is coming off a brutal ankle injury and realized a lot of mobility last year that he might not have this year. The source believes Kyler Murray should be drafted over Bo Nix due to these injury concerns and the loss of mobility.

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Caleb Williams

NegativeProjection5:10

Caleb Williams finished QB7 last year but is now going as QB6 at ADP 81; however, the source is very much out on him due to a completion percentage (64.5%) that ranked second-worst among QBs with 200+ attempts (only above Shedeur Sanders), poor turnover profile, and lack of defensive support to generate late-game fantasy points. His ADP rise is driven by stack dependency on pass catchers (Luther Burden, Colson Loveland) rather than standalone value.

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CeeDee Lamb

NegativeValue42:42

Justin Jefferson is currently jumping CeeDee Lamb in ADP, indicating a shift in draft market preference away from Lamb in early-season drafts.

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Chris Olave

PositiveValue34:30

Chris Olave is being paired with Tyler Shuck as a back-end WR1 at back-end WR1 price. The source notes Olave commands targets consistently and, combined with the Saints' fast-track schedule and bad defenses, could finish as a mid-tier WR1 at a discount. The source is bullish on the Saints as a value pairing.

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Christian McCaffrey

NegativeValue42:49

Christian McCaffrey has been jumped by Justin Jefferson in ADP rankings across some drafts, indicating a relative decline in draft preference compared to Jefferson's rising stock.

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Daniel Jones

NegativeInjury25:45

Daniel Jones suffered a leg injury in week 14 and the source is worried about his health status heading into 2026. While he was QB7 in points per game weeks 1-13 (18.5 PPG, top 5 in EPA per attempt and YPA), the source is not drafting him due to injury concerns and uncertainty about full health at week 1, despite him being expected to participate in 7-on-7 drills and be a full participant at training camp.

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Drake Maye

PositiveProjection6:30

Drake May finished QB5 last year as QB16 in ADP and is now going as QB5 at ADP 54; the source views him as a top-three contender and highest-rostered quarterback, citing his dual-threat upside (deep passing, rushing), improved receiving weapons (A.J. Brown), and early-season ascension trajectory. Despite schedule concerns, the tools and personnel upgrades support continued upside.

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Justin Fields

NegativeProjection44:44

Justin Fields is cited as a comparison point for Malik Willis's upside profile, with the source describing Willis's potential as 'Justin Fields-esque,' suggesting similar dual-threat capability and ceiling.

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Justin Jefferson

PositiveValue42:42

Justin Jefferson is experiencing significant ADP movement upward, jumping both CeeDee Lamb and Christian McCaffrey, and even surpassing John Taylor in some drafts, signaling strong market confidence in his draft positioning.

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Kyler Murray

PositiveProjection36:24

Kyler Murray should be drafted over Bo Nix and Matt Stafford. His last full season he had 572 rushing yards and 5 rushing TDs (not his career high of 800 yards and 11 TDs in 2020). The Vikings waited until round 6 to draft a running back despite having aging Aaron Jones and underwhelming Jordan Mason, suggesting they may be relying on Murray's rushing upside to compensate for backfield deficiencies. The source questions whether Kevin O'Connell is a kingmaker; Vikings macro stats with O'Connell at the helm are very middle-pack—not bad, but nothing top-five in success rate, EPA, or yards per play. However, if Murray wins the job definitively, his ADP will climb.

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Lamar Jackson

PositiveValue4:30

Lamar Jackson has moved back to the fifth round in ADP, consolidating closer to other mid-round quarterbacks; the source characterizes this as a smash value at that price point relative to his QB1 upside.

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Malik Willis

NegativeBreakout43:00

Malik Willis is identified as a high-upside QB option despite significant risk from only six career starts and a first-year defensive-minded head coach with limited proven weapons. In three Green Bay starts, Willis posted elite efficiency: 80% completion percentage, 6 total TDs (3 pass, 3 rush), 200+ passing yards per game, 18 passing attempts per game, 7 rush attempts per game, 58 rush yards per game, and yards-per-attempt matching Drake Mays' league-leading pace. Career EPA exceeds 0.2, completion rate 68%, off-target rate in single digits, passing rating near 100, and 40%+ of passes reaching the sticks. The source emphasizes Willis as a difference-maker in 1QB formats capable of top-10 weeks with Justin Fields-esque and prime Kyler Murray-esque upside. Specific game examples: Week 3 vs. Tennessee (202 passing yards, 1 TD, 0 INTs, 7 carries, 73 yards); Week 17 vs. Baltimore (288 passing yards, 1 TD, 0 INTs, 9 carries, 62 yards). The source recommends pairing Willis with a safer QB like Dart in late rounds as a high-upside complement.

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Matthew Stafford

NegativeProjection10:00

Matthew Stafford finished QB4 last year as QB23 in ADP and is now QB14 at ADP 102; however, the source views his QB4 finish as fluky and likely to regress. Last year's 7.7% TD per attempt was a career high by a mile, though he has a 5.5% career rate. In the two years prior, he was QB26 and QB17 in points per game, throwing 20+ more TDs last year than those seasons. Without rushing production, he is dependent on Devontae Adams for goal-line scoring, but Adams' own numbers may not be sustainable. Late-round value is available if he stays healthy, but regression is expected.

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Trevor Lawrence

NegativeProjection8:00

Trevor Lawrence finished QB3 last year as QB20 in ADP and is now QB10 at ADP 91; the market is settling in the middle, not buying the top-side finish but viewing him as a back-end QB1. He had seven top-10 finishes and four top-five finishes. Regression risk is significant: 640 dropbacks and nine rushing scores are hard to project again. Bull case: Liam Cohen continuity, progression in critical snaps, arm and feet production, and mid-stream talent additions (Myers). Standalone value exists due to talented receiver room (Brian Thomas Jr., Travis Hunter, Parker Washington) and pairing flexibility with Brenton Strange at tight end.

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2:11It's Fantasy Football Weekly with your host and faithful narrator, John Laghezza.

2:15My friend and yours, Mr. Jake Trowbridge. How you doing, Jake?

2:19I've tacked on at least 30 hand drafts since we've spoken last.

2:23And I'm really excited to get into this quarterback conversation we're going to be doing today.

2:28How are you, my friend? Glad you said drafts, John.

2:31I wasn't quite sure where you were going with that statement in the last second you pulled it through.

2:38So I'm doing great, though, John. I, myself, am very interested now because I found the Packers released their training camp schedule.

2:45And I love to get up to see one of these open practices because it makes me feel tethered to real, actual football.

2:52And I can't wait to experience that in person.

2:55Yeah, it is the reason for the season. Funny you're actually mentioning things that happen which should move ADP.

3:01Right now, ADPs are moving without anything happening. And it's just, you know, the market kind of ping-ponging ideas back and forth.

3:09Analysts making points and then people following. Some high-stake drafts are starting to go on.

3:13And people do tend to follow that. You know, Ashton Gentry has found his way into the middle of the first.

3:20That's kind of a thing right now. So if you were trying to get him in the second, that's gone.

3:27Ken Walker, our guy, is up at the turn.

3:30So things are moving. Those running backs are moving up.

3:33But today we're going to be talking about quarterbacks.

3:36We've got last year's QB ADP steals. With a sprinkle of late-round mobile QBs.

3:41We're going to try and put together a plan.

3:44Mostly redraft. I will try and get my best ball hat on at the end.

3:48Because in those formats, you really need a second and third quarterback.

3:52Right now in redraft, it feels like a chicken in every pot, Jake.

3:57There's enough to go around. If you're drafting in a one QB league just really short.

4:02Do you see the point in taking one really early when there are really viable guys going in the QB2 range?

4:09Well, John, when we talked last week about our favorite team stacks, that was something that I noticed as we were trying

4:16to figure out expensive and medium-priced and cheap stacks.

4:19A lot of it just hinges on what do you really want to spend on a quarterback?

4:24And does it make sense to go early with these guys?

4:28And we talked about Josh Allen. We talked about Lamar Jackson.

4:32There are cases for those guys for sure. But I think these late-round quarterbacks, even if you do want to stack, present some really nice opportunities.

4:40So I'm excited to dig in a little bit.

4:43Yeah, it's funny. This year, the quarterback market feels cheaper than last year.

4:47Yet you put together a list of players that you could have drafted as a QB2 that finished as a QB1.

4:54So this is certainly stuff that has happened. And man, it's getting harder and harder for me to make the Josh Allen argument, even the Lamar Jackson argument.

5:03Though, as quarterbacks are consolidating, and this is really a first for me, and at least in recent history, guys like Lamar,

5:11he's moving back to the fifth now. He's moved back to the pack, closer up to our first quarterback we're going to mention, Caleb Williams.

5:19Last year, you can get him as the QB15.

5:22He finished as a QB7. This is points per game.

5:25This year, he's the QB6 at ADP81. But again, one of my first notes that I put for Caleb was he's very much stack dependent.

5:33He has so many pass catchers going in front of him that he almost seems to go with whatever bear drafter wants him the most, right?

5:42The Luther Burden drafter often wants him. The Colson Loveland drafter also wants him.

5:46So Caleb has gone kind of early in the pack.

5:49But I'm not sure it's because of his standalone value.

5:53What do you think about Caleb Williams? I don't know if it's just everybody's excitement over these newer pass catchers that you

6:00referenced, especially Luther Burden and Colson Loveland, or if it's just they witnessed him in the fourth quarter decimate teams at the

6:07last second so much last year that that is ingrained in everybody's heads.

6:11I am very much out on Caleb Williams myself this year, John.

6:15I'm okay with taking Colson Loveland. I'm less okay with taking Luther Burden.

6:19But I just don't want anything to do with Caleb Williams.

6:23The stat that sticks in my craw from last year, again, we look at all the highlight reel stuff, and that's great.

6:30But if you just look at quarterbacks who threw the ball at least 200 times, Williams' completion percentage was only above Shadour Sanders.

6:38That's it. That's a bad, bad stat. That's a big yikes for me.

6:42You're not going to have probably as turnover heavy of a defense for Caleb Williams to fall back on and give him

6:49all these opportunities to get you those last second fantasy points.

6:53So at that price range, I just don't want to invest.

6:56Are you investing, John? When I've had the bear stack, especially if I have Burden and Loveland, because that's something you can

7:04do if you're a back-end drafter this year, then yes.

7:07But otherwise, no. Only because Caleb is going before Jalen Hurts all the time.

7:11He's going before our next quarterback, Drake May, a lot of the time.

7:16I can't get there. Last point on Caleb. I'm glad you mentioned the fourth quarter thing.

7:21I don't want to read off too many numbers, but I did break down his performance by quarter because we've all heard

7:28the narrative and I was curious if it was true.

7:31So I'm going to do completion percentage, EPA, passer rating, and touchdowns by quarter.

7:36First quarter, 61.04, 91.6, which is solid. It gets significantly worse in the second quarter.

7:4174 passer rating, more of a neutral EPA, only five TDs, but it was really the second half like you mentioned.

7:48Plus 11 EPA, 63%. But again, that fourth quarter completion percentage, I'm glad you mentioned it, was down at 56%.

7:54So even when he was kind of balling out, plus .25 EPA per attempt is fantastic.

7:59That's something with the very best. But that's also driven by TDs.

8:03He had nine touchdowns and at least a 94 passer rating each of the second half quarters.

8:09So yeah, he was better. The TDs kind of floated the whole thing up.

8:14And I'm just not looking to pay a premium with all the consolidation again going on.

8:19Next quarterback, Drake May, last year QB 16. It was all over that.

8:23He finishes the QB 5. Now he's going again as the QB 5.

8:27I've got ADP 54 on Fantasy Life, which we've been using.

8:31That's using Consensus. Right now, I think he's going a little bit later.

8:35Again, it's very much room dependent and going to depend on that A.J.

8:39Brown drafter. Now Brown has moved up into the middle of the second.

8:44What do you think about Drake May? I mean, whenever he's going after Caleb, that's like a smash.

8:49I will have one note. Drake May is my highest roster quarterback right now because I think he's a top three contender.

8:57And he's going fifth, sixth, seventh. You get running.

9:00You get deep passing. We're just seeing the beginning of the ascension, I feel.

9:04Man, I think he could be getting drafted right behind Josh Allen next year.

9:09What say you on Drake May? Yeah, John, I hate to give myself a pat on the back, mostly because it's harder

9:16to reach there as I get older. But last offseason, I was all over Drake May because it was a limited sample size in his rookie season.

9:25But he had so many of these big flashes that we love to see for fantasy football in terms of both the

9:32passing proficiency, with just absolutely nobody to throw to, by the way, and all of his rushing upside.

9:38And then that bears out last year in a really big way.

9:42The thing that gets some pushback these days is, well, it was a soft schedule last year.

9:47It's going to be a much harder schedule for him this year.

9:51And I get that. But the tools did not change.

9:55The personnel got upgraded with this infusion of A.J.

9:57Brown. So I'm not going to galaxy brain myself out of Drake May just because of the schedule.

10:03It's the cost thing still for me where it's like, well, I might as well just reach a couple of rounds earlier

10:11and grab Josh Allen, you know, and do the thing that I feel the most confident in.

10:16That's where I'm at with Drake May. But no grudges against you if you're wanting to go that route.

10:22Funny, you did say Allen. So are you going up where he's going in the late second, early third, opposed to –

10:30if you would have said Lamar, I would have just nodded along because Lamar back four, early five is like a smash.

10:37I know we didn't really put Allen on the floor, but I'm just curious.

10:41Are you taking Allen where he's going? It's just a thing of if I want the best, let me just go get the best.

10:49Let me not mess with the rest. You know, I'll go early, early with Josh Allen or I'm probably just going to

10:56wait for a lot of these much later round ADP guys rather than messing with the guys in the middle who I

11:04might like but has a lot more volatility in my opinion.

11:07Yeah, hard to argue with the consistency and ceiling case for Josh Allen, especially if we think they're going to pass more

11:14because they brought in a receiver themselves. Yeah, it's hard to argue against him.

11:19For me, it's really a 1v1 thing. And maybe that is also me wearing too much of the best ball brain in redraft leagues.

11:27You get to replace all this stuff. So take all your shots at wideouts and running back.

11:32There you could churn knowing that you pretty much have a leg up on every team.

11:37The thing with May, of course, me, man. He was number four in EPA against the Blitz and he was number one

11:45in deep shot EPA, like you mentioned, without like a real legitimate elite receiver.

11:49Now he's got one elite receiver. And I think Dobbs is really good for the spot he's going to be in working underneath.

11:57So I'm wheels up for May, especially where he's going.

12:00If he's at ADP 54, where I have lift on an FL, I'm probably not getting there.

12:06I've been getting in more in the 60s when the entire wave begins to go.

12:11All right, next up, this is like one of the most polarizing players in easily what I think is the most polarizing situation.

12:18So we head down to Jacksonville. Let's talk about Trevor Lawrence.

12:22Last year, QB 20 finishes the QB 3. This year, he's the QB 10 at ADP 91.

12:27So the market just kind of settling in the middle, right?

12:31Not buying that top side, but feeling that he's now, at the very least, a back-end QB 1 guy.

12:37He had seven top 10 finishes, four top five finishes.

12:40I think he has one of the most talented wide receiver rooms in the league.

12:45We're going to have to make that a separate table discussion.

12:49Now, I have to bring up the R word.

12:52It's regression. 640 dropbacks, hard to project that again.

12:55And nine rushing scores, hard to project that again.

12:58That's the bull case. I mean, the bear case.

13:01The bull case is Liam Cohen, a whole other year of continuity in the offense.

13:05We saw progression, critical snaps, lots of production with the arm, with the feet.

13:10And they've added talent midstream, right? The Myers thing was midstream.

13:14So a lot of that concoction was just still being stirred.

13:17Now, man, that fruit's been on the vine. It might be ripe and juicy.

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16:26Because everyone deserves pleasure. Yeah, with the Trevor Lawrence ADP, part of me wishes that people were leaning into his fantasy finish last year.

16:34And he would get ballooned up draft boards just so I wouldn't even have to think about him.

16:40Because he is such a frustrating case. But if you look at what they both gained and lost, really what they lost was Travis A.

16:48Chan. That's huge. We have Bayshel Tootin back there.

16:51We have Chris Rodriguez. But that's an unproven backfield.

16:54So we go back to the nine rushing touchdowns that Trevor Lawrence had.

16:58Is it impossible that he could do that again this year?

17:02Especially if there's some issues with Chris Rodriguez. We've heard some health stuff.

17:06None of that's solidified, of course. But he might be able to do that.

17:11He has this same crew coming back from last year that you mentioned.

17:15They've been working with Brian Thomas Jr. to try to get him back.

17:19You know, that connection reformed. Everybody's going to say that this time of year.

17:24But it seems legitimate that it could happen. We love Travis Hunter when he's on offense.

17:29We love Parker Washington. So I think the standalone case for Trevor Lawrence does make a lot of sense.

17:35If only because it's probably going to be a little bit frustrating to decide who to pair him with.

17:42But he has a lot of really good options to throw to.

17:46Me, I would probably go with Parker Washington out of that group.

17:49Or maybe even just if I'm punting tight end, I might pair him up with Brenton Strange.

17:55Who I think it's overlooked a lot of the times because of the proficiency of some of these other receivers.

18:02I like Strange too. Building a Jaguars stack. That's not really how I attack redraft.

18:06You know, this isn't your... We're going to get to Matthew Stafford and Calvin Johnson.

18:11That used to be a redraft stack that you could sink your teeth into when the trunk of the tree...

18:18Right? We often talk about target trees. I've equated them to actual trees.

18:22Right? The redwoods. The big thick trunk. Opposed to the Jaguars might be more of a bonsai tree.

18:28Right? Now, the next tree just has two major trunks.

18:31That would be the Rams. Matthew Stafford, QB 23 last year.

18:35Finishes as QB 4. So, quick pump of the brakes.

18:38Right off the bat, we've had three quarterbacks finish in the top five.

18:42Getting drafted as almost QB 3s. This is crazy town.

18:46So, keep your mind open, everyone, as far as range of outcomes and where to draft these guys.

18:52My first note for Stafford says, stupid spaceship. If you remember what happened...

18:56Jake, I had a Rams to the Moon article written and almost published that I had pulled because we found that Matthew

19:03Stafford had to have a chamber from outer space that he was going to be sleeping in outside of Rams training camp.

19:10And the neck was an issue. His wife was on her podcast saying he might retire, but he doesn't want to.

19:17We don't know. We'll play it by ear. There were a lot of kind of red flags.

19:23So, I backed off the Rams truck and they were awesome.

19:26He was the passing yard leader. He had 12 more touchdowns than the QB 2.

19:31That's a 35% lead on the field, which is kind of crazy.

19:35However, we were talking about regression. 7.7% touchdown per attempt.

19:38That was a career high by a mile. Though he has supported a 5.5% career rate.

19:44So, he is very effective. And Devontae Adams serves as a really unique piece around the goal line to score.

19:50And then Nakua has gotten some of those weird kind of handoff, shimmy, shake passes.

19:55So, if anyone could repeat it, it would be this team.

19:59What do you think about Stafford with the zero running?

20:02Where he's going? QB 14, ADP 102. I mean, geez, you could just not draft the quarterback and take Matthew Stafford in

20:09the last round of your redraft formats. Hard to argue with that, right?

20:13And if he stinks, you kind of drop him.

20:16I don't think he could stink. He just might get hurt.

20:20What do you think about Stafford? Yeah, John, we need at least one offseason story every year like the dumb cryo chamber thing.

20:27Just to keep us all honest and keep us on our toes, I think.

20:32Stupid demolition man, cryo chamber, whatever was going on there.

20:35We have to watch our language or you get a ticket for that.

20:39The little robot is going to come and give us a ticket.

20:43Oh, that's right. Yeah. Oh, man. Don't make me break out the three seashells.

20:48I do think with Matt Stafford, though, if there's one guy on this list that felt a little bit fluky, I actually think it's Matt Stafford.

20:56You mentioned some really good career metrics for him.

20:59But if we're just isolating last year compared to more recent years with Stafford, it was such a crazy outlier.

21:06And I want to believe that Devontae Adams can help get him there again.

21:10But, you know, the year before last, he was QB 26 in points per game.

21:15The year before that, he was QB 17 in points per game.

21:19He threw 20-plus more touchdowns last year than in those years.

21:23That is your difference with Matt Stafford because he doesn't run, like you said.

21:27You're more likely to get negative rushing yards on a season than you are for him to cross 60 in a year.

21:35So I think Devontae Adams is going to be doing a lot of the heavy lifting for raising Matt Stafford up.

21:42And we've talked on the show before about how I don't know that Devontae Adams' numbers are sustainable from last year.

21:48So it feels like if I'm banking on regression for Devontae, I kind of have to bank on some of that for Matthew Stafford as well.

21:57So for me, last year, it was great if you could get him.

22:01I just don't think I'm going to be waiting around on Matt Stafford this year.

22:06Yep, 100% agreed. Again, that's your best ball pick where he's a fantastic QB 2 where you get on the spike weeks,

22:13but you don't have to worry about all the other ones.

22:17And then, of course, the age is still a thing.

22:20I wrote down, you know, playing in the NFL doesn't make you more healthy.

22:25It just doesn't work that way. All right, so that's pretty much the halfway point.

22:30I want to shuffle some papers and we'll get to the guys that are going a little bit later on and then a couple of running quarterbacks.

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25:43First is Daniel Jones. He was QB 31, finishes the 15.

25:46But that was with the injuries, right? So I did some kind of time sorting.

25:51Daniel Jones, he got hurt week 14, but it was early.

25:55So I did week 1 through 13. At the point, he was a QB 7, 18.5 fantasy points per game.

26:01He was top 5 in EPA per attempt and YPA.

26:05We like that. But it's going to come down to the news.

26:09We saw how important he was to that offense.

26:11Though, I was surprised. He only had four top 10s and I think it was two top 5s.

26:17So the ceiling games are really there. Again, Jonathan Taylor ate up all the touchdown equity.

26:23So as I was looking into it, I think I'm kind of off of Jones.

26:27I want to know more about Jones' health to boost, you know, Warren and the pass catchers.

26:33That's what I'm really into. He's participating in 7-on-7 drills and is expected to be a full participant at the start of

26:40training camp, which would be wheels up for week 1.

26:44I'm not really drafting Daniel Jones. We want a little bit of mobility.

26:48I'm worried about the leg. I'm a little iffy on the Colts right now altogether.

26:53We've even mentioned Pierce with the ankle. I'm just not looking to pay a premium for any of this right now.

27:00Yeah, John, it feels a little bit deja vu-ish on Daniel Jones.

27:03We were going through a lot of hemming and hawing last offseason about is he actually going to be out there for most of the season?

27:12It wasn't really because of health stuff. It was really because, well, did we believe in Anthony Richardson still at that point?

27:19At what point were they going to be flip-flopping, if at all?

27:23And it feels like his ADP has just settled back to that area because of the injury.

27:29If you can tell me for sure he will be out there and fully healthy, fully healthy in week 1, okay, fine.

27:36It's not that he's immobile. He's shown in the past that he has some scoot to him.

27:41Granted, yes, he might trip and fall about 10 yards out from the red zone.

27:46It happens to the best of us, but I do think that he presents some upside, but it is zapped because of

27:53the Alec Pierce of it all, I think. If he was still out there, okay, fine.

27:59Michael Pittman's gone. It can't all be Tyler Warren.

28:02I mean, for fantasy purposes, if I'm drafting Tyler Warren, of course, I want to believe that.

28:07But for Daniel Jones and getting any standalone value, I just don't love it.

28:12So I think I'm also out on Daniel Jones.

28:15He does present one of the last-ditch guys where I'm like, if I just get to a point in draft where I

28:22haven't even considered looking at quarterback because they're just getting scooped up before I want them, okay.

28:27You know, I'll see what happens in the first couple weeks and then figure it out from there.

28:33Yeah, part of the full season thing with that consolidation, everyone tends to dogpile on guys perceived as starters.

28:40And that's when Jones getting pushed. And redraft, you could just take him as a compliment to maybe if you take one

28:47of these other late darts that we're going to talk about, hoping that he starts week one and is good.

28:53And if not, you just move on. We didn't mention it.

28:57You've spoke about Superflex before. I feel like this new era of football, I think more people should be playing Superflex.

29:04It feels like there's enough quarterbacks to, you know, make it challenging for a 12-team league if everybody needed to, where 24

29:11out of 30 are playable rather than 12 because they just seem like there's so many guys.

29:16Like, right, Daniel Jones should be part of the conversation, and I don't think he's going to be in redraft leagues.

29:23The next player certainly will be, or at least maybe, I think, it's Jackson Dart.

29:28Maybe I'm more into running upside than everybody else.

29:31Drafted QB 32 last year, finishes the 14. Again, missed some games.

29:35His per-game stuff can be hard with all the in and out and missed stuff.

29:40He's being drafted as a QB 13, ADP 85.

29:43He's one of my favorite QB 2s in season-long formats.

29:46Again, because of all the spike weeks. In limited play, he had seven top-ten finishes.

29:51He had four top-five finishes. And again, it's all about rushing upside.

29:5520 fantasy points per game in the games he started.

29:58He was fifth in scramble rate. He was number one in design rush rate.

30:03He was number one in take-offs per game. That's scrambles plus design runs.

30:07He was number one in rush yards, 455. Number one in touchdowns at nine.

30:12And number one at first downs in that time frame above.

30:15Josh Allen in all of that stuff. Maybe not as great of a passer as we'd like.

30:21Also hampered by a lack of talent. We've seen him force-feed neighbors and force-feed Wondale.

30:26Well, I think we are getting him to be able to get a guy that could finish as a weekly top-five guy.

30:33I would be rolling with Jackson Dart and Jake.

30:36If he's truly going outside of the QB 1 conversation in redraft liaison.

30:40You can get him in a last round or a second-to-last round situation.

30:44I'm doing that every day and twice on Sunday.

30:47Where are you on Dart? I know he is a flawed player.

30:51That'll take us into the last part. But the upside is just too juicy for me to say no.

30:57Yeah, I'm going to say no, actually, when it comes to Jackson Dart.

31:02I look at what he was able to do last year.

31:05And this was a player that had just made a lot of sense.

31:10We've talked about Fernando Mendoza a bunch this offseason.

31:13And when's he going to be out there starting?

31:15With Dart, that was really always the only question.

31:18Was how many weeks until he gets out on the field?

31:22Because when he's out there, I was confident that he would provide plenty of upside for fantasy.

31:28It was just that waiting game. But now I look at the same player and A, he is without Wandale Robinson to force that ball to.

31:36He could be without or with a substantially hampered Malik Neighbors.

31:40We know that, you know, Cam Scadaboo runs like the juggernaut from X-Men with head first.

31:45And could be out at any point himself. And Jackson Dart has plenty of injury concerns as well.

31:51So all of that into a pie. You know, I have one guy in the Giants that I really, really like, which is Isaiah Likely.

31:59Everybody else, I'm just kind of staying away from.

32:02The vibes are also just terrible around this team.

32:05And there's a quarterback going much later that we are going to talk about, John, that I think presents the exact same upside.

32:12But you're getting him so much later that there's almost zero risk.

32:16Yeah, that's, you make the, all the rational counters to Jackson Dart.

32:20And I think he's a great spike week play in season long.

32:24Again, you don't have to get cute and pick and choose.

32:28And in redraft, when I mentioned, I, yes, I'd be satisfied with him.

32:32I would normally leave a redraft table with just one QB.

32:36And I think if you draft Dart, you need to leave with two QBs, which hurts some of the bowl case that I'm making, right?

32:44It's not a perfect player if you need a second quarterback.

32:47That's pretty much a fact. Let's get into some of these flawed, I call them flawed runners.

32:53If you have a better description, by all means.

32:56Now, all these guys are really going extremely late.

32:59The earliest is 125. So, man, to be able to wait on a starter and wait this late, it really, again, speaks to the superflex conversation.

33:07Maybe talk to your commissioner. First up would be Tyler Shuck.

33:11I love Tyler Shuck. I think, I don't know if anyone had more puff pieces about him than I did last year.

33:18I was on it early. And often, Kellen Moore, I put giddy up.

33:22They're tied for first in play clock speed. They were the only team that ran more than 63 plays a game that

33:29scored less than 20 points per game. I think that will correct with the QB change.

33:35And I can't share charts with everybody here. Maybe I'll put them up on Twitter or follow me at my name if you'd like.

33:43Really, really bullish channels. If you were to chart Tyler Shuck's EPA per attempt and rush charts per game, the things I

33:50like most in fantasy, they're both like, you know, they look like the Amazon chart from the early 2000s.

33:56So we've seen improvement and you get the fast track.

33:59And man, I think he's a baller and they surrounded him with weapons.

34:03I really like what I see from the scenes.

34:06He's another great kind of compliment. Lee, do you like what I'm seeing from Tyler Shuck at least?

34:12Love it. This was a guy that got so dogpiled on last year, mostly because of his age.

34:18You know, he was really old. And don't get me wrong, I crack some jokes about how old this guy is because that's fun to do.

34:27But at a certain point, you have to acknowledge the draft capital that was spent on him by the Saints and the

34:34complete lack of proven talent on their roster to that point.

34:37So it took a long time for Shuck to finally see the light of day.

34:42I was hoping it would have happened much earlier in the season.

34:46But now we don't have to worry about any of that.

34:50Now all that's cleared for us. It's a completely clear runway with Jordan Tyson being added, with Travis H.M.

34:56being added to the backfield. You could make an argument that could hurt some of his rushing upside.

35:02I don't know that I necessarily see that. Because A, I don't think that Travis H.M.

35:07is that good of a running back to be able to add where you're just going to be pulling some of the

35:14great stuff that your quarterback can do away from him.

35:18So I'm very, very much okay taking Tyler Shuck.

35:21And above anybody that we've talked about thus far on this episode because of where his cost is, I think I want him the most to this point.

35:30Yeah, and if you're buying Saints kind of like I am, and you like Chris Olave like I do, that's a really great one-two punch at cost.

35:39You could be talking about the back-end QB1 at the late QB2 price with the back-end wide receiver one price who finishes as a mid-one wide receiver.

35:47We've seen Olave just command. He just commands targets.

35:50And again, I keep beating the drum with the fast track and the bad defenses.

35:55Trust me, you'll thank me when it's December and we're talking about, oh man, there's a game in Cincinnati and it's 42 mile-an-hour winds.

36:03It's going to be negative five. Yeah, and our guys are wearing t-shirts and stuff.

36:08It makes a difference. Those over-unders kind of speak for themselves.

36:12So yeah, I'm glad to see a little bit of this scene, love.

36:16I think they're a really exciting team coming at a discount.

36:19I have a feeling this next quarterback is the gentleman you were talking about.

36:24It's Kyler Murray, the newest Viking. I wrote no short jokes or joking how when he's scrambling, it looks like when my

36:31son steals my cell phone and tries to run away from me.

36:35The question is, is Kevin... I promise I won't do it.

36:39So don't let me do it, Jake. My question is, is Kevin O'Connell the kingmaker?

36:44That was the narrative going in last year. If your answer is yes, then J.J.

36:49McCarthy is just that bad. I went to bring up the Viking stats, macro stats, with KOC at the switches.

36:55And I'll be honest, I thought they were going to be a little bit better.

37:00Very much middle pack. No, not bad. Not bad.

37:03But very much middle pack. I thought, just from the narrative, it was going to be a spiked success rate, spiked EPA, yards per play.

37:11Again, not bad. All right in the middle. Nothing near the bottom.

37:15But nothing top five. Really, nothing that kind of screamed, this is going to make a difference.

37:21I'm not really drafting Kyler Murray. But let me tell you, there's one player that has me really nervous because tons of sharp people are into it.

37:29And it's K1. John, talk to us about Kyler Murray and how and why my fantasy season might be in peril right now.

37:37Well, I will say, John, this actually was not the guy I was thinking of when we were talking about Jackson Dart.

37:44He's coming up next, I believe, that we're going to talk about.

37:48Save him for the bitter end. Kyler Murray is a very interesting question because right now we're still going on with the

37:55assumption that he's won the job, which we haven't really heard vocalized by the team just yet.

38:01But ADP certainly suggests that's the case, that J.J.

38:04McCarthy's not getting this thing. But if we do get definitive confirmation in the next few weeks, yep, it's definitely Kyler Murray's job.

38:11I think his ADP climbs a little bit higher than where it is right now because people are still looking at the rushing upside that he has.

38:20You know, his last full season, he had 572 rushing yards, five rushing touchdowns.

38:25That wasn't anywhere close to his career high. You know, he was hitting 800 yards, 11 touchdowns back in 2020.

38:31I don't know that he still has quite that same level of hypermobility or not.

38:36But the fact that Minnesota waited to draft a running back until the sixth round this year, despite having old man Aaron

38:43Jones, who's really gotten worn down, and Jordan Mason, who's just kind of looked underwhelming in a Vikings uniform, part of me

38:50wonders if they are hiding their hand a little bit but suggesting our backfield is going to be fine, our run game

38:58is going to be fine because this quarterback that we have can make up for a lot of those deficiencies.

39:04So I think that Kyler should be drafted over Bo Nix personally.

39:08Personally, he's coming off that brutal ankle injury. Bo Nix realized a lot of mobility that he might not have this year.

39:15And you can make an argument that you should also be taking home over Matt Stafford because he is so TD dependent and has no rushing upside.

39:24So that's where I'm comfortable drafting Kyler Murray. Like at his price right now, I'll take him.

39:30If he gets up a few more spots in QB ranks and a few more rounds in ADP, it'll be a consideration, but I might do it.

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42:21That was very compelling. I think I'm coming around to it, but I'm glad, right?

42:25We're not full steam ahead. But I think I need to be maybe a little more aggressive on him.

42:32I was just looking to see if he's elevated.

42:35And right, there was a time when Hopkins, he was elevating.

42:38Hopkins was a 10-catcher guy, you know, 10-catcher game guy for a while.

42:42One of those early ADP moves I was talking about is Justin Jefferson is, you know, jumping CeeDee Lamb right now.

42:49He's jumped McCaffrey and even John Taylor in some drafts.

42:53And if you believe that, K-1 has to at least pass.

42:56That was really cool. So, right, who was the last one?

43:00Let's not bury the lead. You take the last guy away.

43:03Who could it possibly be, Jake? I just can't leave this episode without at least talking a little bit about Malik Willis.

43:11There is obviously a ton of risk with Malik Willis, who has only started six games in his entire career.

43:17He's playing for a first-year defensive-minded head coach. His offensive coordinator, Bobby Sloick, has a solid but not exactly inspiring track record with Houston.

43:25And outside of Devin H. And there's just this lack of proven weapons on the offense that we've talked about a bunch.

43:32And yet, John, the upside is just so tempting that I can't look away.

43:37So, teeniest of sample size alert here. But let's just look at the three starts in Green Bay real quick.

43:43He had six total touchdowns split evenly between pass and run.

43:47He was averaging 18 passing attempts and just over 200 passing yards per game with an outrageous 80% completion percentage.

43:53His yards per attempt in those games also matched Drake Mays from last year, who was leading the pack in yards per attempt.

44:01So, high volume. Not high volume. Excuse me. High velocity throws.

44:05And really accurate throws. He was also averaging seven rush attempts per game.

44:0958 rush yards per game. These are very quality numbers.

44:12You would be psyched to have these numbers on your fantasy team every week.

44:17The question, though, is how sustainable are they for an entire season?

44:21In 1QB formats especially, John, it is a big swing.

44:24But I'm looking for difference makers in 1QB. I don't want to just have somebody who will give me replacement level fantasy numbers.

44:31I want the guy who can win me weeks, get me top 10 weeks at least.

44:37I think he can still do that even with this, you know, motley crew that he has, the island of misfit toys that he's throwing to.

44:45The upside is just, it's Justin Fields-esque. It's prime Kyler Murray-esque.

44:49So, if I'm going to wait, this is where I wait until the bitter end, I think, John.

44:55I mean, you are correct. The sample is small.

44:57But you didn't mention any of the passing stats.

45:00And the biggest sample I could find is his career stats.

45:04I know it's not a huge sample. But there's a, you know, like a ton to like here.

45:10The EPA is excellent. It's over 0.2. The completion rate is at 68%.

45:14We love that. The off-target rate is in the single digits.

45:18We love that. The passing rating is bordering on 100.

45:21We love that. I mean, he gets the ball to the sticks more than 40% of the time.

45:27There's a lot to like here. Then you mentioned, of course, all the rushing upside.

45:32I mentioned if I grab a guy like Dart, knowing that it's risky and knowing that I need a supplement, give me

45:39Dart and Malik Willis in the last two rounds.

45:42If I could really get away with that. To me, that feels like highway robbery.

45:47One of the best shots at, not just QB1 upside, overall QB1 upside.

45:51That's really what we're dealing with. I had to, my notes were kind of weak on this one because, again, the sample's small.

45:59I wrote upside case. See week three of 2025 at Tennessee.

46:02He passed for 2-0-2-1 without a pick. Seven carries, 73-1.

46:05Awesome. Then week 17 against Baltimore, who, by the way, is a legitimately good defense.

46:10They were at full strength at the time. He went 288, 1-0 again.

46:15Lots of passing, no turnovers, 960 and 2. And my fantasy antenna is popping out of my forehead right now.

46:21So, yeah, I love the Willis call. I think you're all over that.

46:25He's also one of my highest roster guys. I think he's the best compliment on the board.

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