0:00Well, unlike Patrick Mahomes, one of us on this panel is indeed the best ever.
0:06It's a pretty interesting day in games.
0:08I thought been a long time since there's been like six running back plays that were really good. Been a long time since
0:15there were like eight wide receivers who were in play. And Sammy, probably the weirdest thing about Cash was uh there was actually not a in my opinion of all
0:25the tight ends you could have played in Cash, I think they were probably all bad. I think if you had reworked your
0:30entire lineup around to get bride, I think you played bad. Don't really think there was any way to play Bowowers in
0:36Cash. I don't And and obviously of all the the guys that people did play, Hunter Henry sucked, Kottton sucked, and Mark Andrews sucked. It was all It was
0:46all up, down, and around. It was all It was all It was all bad. It was all bad.
0:53Um just really really incredible. I mean, who who did you have as like the the must plays? Cuz I think that's maybe
1:02more interesting cuz you you probably you probably worked around whoever like the must plays in Cash were.
1:09>> Yeah. I mean, I think I thought it was Puka. You ended up not playing Puka. So, um, hats off to you.
1:15>> I don't think I don't think Puka was was I think Puka was a really good play. The thing that you have to remember about
1:20playing Puka Nua was that he was playing the Los Angeles Chargers, a team incapable of scoring an offensive touchdown. So, how many pass attempts
1:27were you even going to get? I I think that was a key part of the Puka thing.
1:31>> It was a key part. Um, but his uh I wish Nate was here, but his Whopper is just so significant.
1:37>> His whopper is very significant.
1:39>> Yeah. As opposed to, you know, just just playing the Bengals wide receiver, too, which you did. Fortunately, you knew that the offense the the Tennessee
1:48Titans had such crazy offensive firepower that they would push the Bengals to the limit. Um, so that was that was a really good job by you. But,
1:56you know, for for me, I thought it was I thought it was uh Puka. I thought it was Brillin Allen and I thought it was
2:04Raandre.
2:06And, you know, Wandelle was kind of close. I just thought Wandale for his price kind of just like made cash lineups work. It wasn't like I I was
2:16expecting a smash. Obviously, he got the touchdown at the end which kind of made his day. Um, but he was getting plenty
2:22of volume. You know, you play $4,200 receiver and you're like, "Okay, like this is this is what I signed up for."
2:27So, ran a little bit good there. But, you know, at the end of the day, I thought there was a lot of different
2:32things you could do. And I agree with you about tight end. I didn't like any of the tight end stuff. Um, and so I
2:40played a play that I knew was bad because Mark Andrews himself is just completely dust. Uh, but I knew he was
2:48better than Kate Otton who is also completely dust. And uh, you know, if you played a tight end on a team that
2:54didn't complete a single pass the entire game, you deserve to lose.
2:58Congratulations.
2:59>> Okay. Honestly, honestly, the Buccaneers guys being values again after last week is truly like the most like God has a
3:08sense of humor thing of all time.
3:10Kottton's Kottton's price goes up $200, right? And then I think Ted Hurst price went up I think $400 from where it was
3:18last week. They were both showing an optimals. Frankly, the thing that saved people from playing Ted Hurst and Kate Utton was Carnell Tate not playing. If
3:28car I I guys promise you I promise you beyond a shadow of a doubt. Carnell Tate plays in this game. You're not playing
3:36Wandell. You You guys are We're all playing Ted Hurst. We're all playing K.
3:40I I promise you guys people are playing those Buccaneers guys. And again, it was it's I don't even actually think this is
3:47true. I actually don't think it's fair to say when are we going to learn on the Bucks? Sims love the Baker. Like we're
3:54going to talk about this later cuz I played a very funny um I played a very funny Bucks team in in GBPs, but it it
4:00was just so funny that they literally win a game, the first team to win a game in over 50 years not completing a pass
4:07and they win 16 to zero against the Falcons. So the way that I was thinking of it was I actually thought there were
4:14a fair amount of quarterbacks you could have played in cash. I I was not going to do it, but I thought you could have
4:20played Jacobe. Obviously, I think Dak, I mean, we had Dak as the second highest overall projected guy on Run the Sims. I
4:28didn't think there was any way to get to Burrow. I certainly think you could have played Trevor Lawrence. I think you
4:32could have played Drake May. I did not play uh any I I did not consider playing Lamar because I I thought he was too
4:40expensive. So, I just settled on um I just settled on Mr. Dakota Rain Prescott. I mean, he was he was like
4:48giga mega jammed in in cash. Like I I think everyone pretty like So the the thing that was more interesting than
4:56quarterback, though, is look at the amount of insane running back plays. So the 8k running backs were not in play at
5:02all, right? Gibbs, Bejian, Walker, 0% in play. But then you had >> talk about why that is. I I thought it
5:10was true uh considering the pricing of the slate. like we we just didn't have like a lot of like really stone low
5:16values. It was tough to get in, but like I don't know. I'll bet people played these guys a little bit.
5:21>> I think it I honestly I mean I I can defer to Nate on this, but I think the reason why So Gibbs was in a horrible
5:27matchup. Bejian was in a bad matchup and Walker was in a bad matchup. They were they were they were like legitimately
5:33all in bad matchups. Bad like the Lions team total I think was like six points lower than their seasonal average. the
5:40total of that um Atlanta Tampa Bay game fell by like four points this morning when the when the wind started coming
5:48down and the Chiefs had like a freaking 19 point team total. Like it just they were all bad spots. Then you had Brilan
5:55in a giga spot. You had Chase Brown in an unbelievable spot. You had Javvante in an unbelievable spot. You had Bucky
6:01in a great spot. You had Tootin in a great spot. You had Raandre. Raandre in like the spot of spot. Raandre failing
6:08in this spot was just so good because it was like against the Dolphins with all the pass catchers out. Trevian Henderson
6:15is out just like the true spot of all time for Raandre and he gets like 11 points or whatever which is is so funny.
6:25Um and then >> sweat is the worst thing in the entire world when you have Raandre watching him play is just the most frustrating
6:33>> and then watching Drake May fake to him at the two yard line. I mean, >> and then watching them throw
6:40>> a 51. I mean, I >> the end of that game, the end of that half, I mean, I was that was the most
6:46tilted I've been in a long time. That Raandre game was unbelievable because he was the play. You had to play Raandre.
6:51>> You You had to You had to play Raandre, I think.
6:54>> Davis. Davis, give me Give me a Raandre player comp.
7:00>> Like another like another sport or or like another >> No, no, no, no. Like like another running back. Is he like David
7:06Montgomeryes? Like who is he?
7:09>> Um >> cuz he's kind of fat.
7:11>> David Montgomery is the Isaiah Pacheco of David Johnson's.
7:20Something like that. Yeah. No, he's the he's the Carlo he's the Carlos Hyde of >> There we go.
7:27>> He's he's very Carlos Hyesque. He's he's the car because it's like you want to have a like who's like the final version
7:34of Arandre? Well, you know what he is?
7:36He's the Carlos height of Kenneth Walkers where where he's a bigbodied guy. He can you can definitely use him in the
7:43passing game. He's a very competent pass blocker. But unlike these other players, he has absolutely no explosion at all.
7:50See, I don't even think I don't even think Leonard Fornette is fair. Fornette was a very explosive runner. Eddie Lacy was a very good short yardage runner.
7:57Raandre is not good at anything. He was explosive like in his early days.
8:02>> Correct. He he just I mean basically he just was not good at um he he's just he's just not I mean the issue is is
8:08he's just not any good. And then uh you also had I mean this was too thin for me in cash. I know one of the guys in my
8:17chat this morning, uh, shout out if I remember, James Bean. He he played Jonah Coleman instead of the Chase Brown spot
8:25so that he could play Puka, Chase, and Z Flowers. And he also played Gunner Helm at tight end, which I actually did look
8:33at and I ended up playing Gunner Helm in the Double Spy. Okay, so the $200 single entry I played I played gun and we're
8:40going to get to that lineup here in a little bit because it's a real it's a real uh sunny side of the bus uh sad
8:46side of the bus meme situation on on that team. Um but like I I actually thought Helm was totally defensible because Nate these tight ends this has
8:58got to be the worst slate of projecting tight ends of all time. Like it's it's un they were all bad. They every tight
9:05end was bad. Yeah, there was no there was no good there was no good tight end.
9:10I I I didn't want to play Andrews. I mean, I think I was telling you guys beforehand like I partially wanted to
9:16play for like the Parkinson News.
9:17Luckily, I didn't. Um >> I I also I also thought about playing Tyler Higgby for the Parkinson News and very very very very glad I did not do
9:26that.
9:26>> Yeah, I think the Tyler Higgby ship that one has left the dock. It's in the middle of the ocean. Well, well, we're
9:32gonna talk. Let's let's actually save the Rams thought because I have I actually have some thoughts on on the Rams that we'll do here in a second.
9:39>> But yeah, I mean, Hunter Henry ended up being the most owned tight end in cash.
9:43Uh, you know, at >> was he 32%. Yeah, >> I would have I would have thought Andrews was >> Andrews was only 20% at least in the
9:52massive $25 and then uh Autton was only 13% and then Strange was 10%. So >> this is so disappointing cuz Davis told
9:59us that Autton was in the train this morning. He said that's the train with we're going to win all the money. This
10:05is awesome. Like >> so the most the most duped lineup was not my lineup because I did not play the train. Um the most duped lineup in uh in
10:16in the massive $50 double up was Dak at quarterback.
10:20>> Uh it was it was Yes, it was it was Nate's team. So, which I'm gonna I'm gonna wait and not spoil.
10:26>> Yeah, it was it was that team. So, I I I thought the industry was more on Aton over Andrews. And I think that
10:34while I I agree that Andrews is like a total dust ball, the potential for a touchdown, the potential for like volume
10:40in this game was way, way better than this Tampa Bay thing. The Tampa Bay thing last week wasn't just a an
10:46anomaly. Like it was it was clearly like low range, but it was also indicative of what they're trying to do. They just
10:53want to run the ball down your throat and they don't like they don't want Baker to throw the ball. And so that's
10:58different than the Jets earlier.
10:59>> I I don't I I just there was it was a [ __ ] monsoon, Nate. I'm not No, >> that's two weeks in a row that we've
11:07seen them literally just go, "Okay, >> they were up by a billion. They were up by a gazillion points." No. No. I'm
11:13>> Nate, you're being a fish right now. You are having a fish brain. You were you were swimming around in a
11:19>> bowl. No pass completions is obviously an anomaly. But what I'm saying is it there is some signal in there. There is
11:27some signal in that they don't need to or want to pass.
11:30>> No, there there is no there is a Lamar based in a Lamar based Ravens team.
11:35>> If Lamar's not out the first play of this game, it's >> I just think Andrews is a much better play than Autton from
11:42>> No. I I think I think that what you're saying the the the overall point you're making that Andrews is a better play
11:48than not. I completely agree. I I I like you're not going to find anything there from me on on that. But I I am I am
11:57right that that this is just all time like literal alltime randomness from the bucket.
12:03>> But it's not just random. There is some signal in that they are not they are not trying to pass the ball heavily to
12:09score. If they can run the ball, they will they literally could not throw.
12:14They like passes were incapable of being completed today. Someone someone just said this in the chat that they were playing with leather. Yes, the
12:22Buccaneers were playing with leather helmets on today. That is exactly what happened. It It was impossible for there to be forward throws. There were there
12:30were >> I understand that. I'm just saying there is some signal in this. It It Yes, there is. It was an extreme outlier, but it
12:36doesn't >> Hey, what what line what line can I get on um uh Baker Mayfield dropbacks the next two weeks? Bears Lions.
12:45>> Can I get Can I get 85 combined drop backs in those two games from from Baker Mayfield? Because I'd like to book that
12:51line with you.
12:52>> No. No.
12:52>> I will go I will go I will go under $100.
12:55>> I will >> $200. No, no. I want some of this action. Come on, >> Davis. This is a terrible bet.
13:0385 85 is too many. 85 is too many.
13:05>> That's 42 and a half.
13:07>> 42 and a half >> per game.
13:09>> I will take under.
13:11>> Okay. What What would What would your number be?
13:14>> A fair line is like >> 72.
13:16>> 62.
13:18>> 60. I would take the over for sure. 70.
13:20>> 60. I would take the over. I think 72. I think Ben Johnson's >> going to 72. 72. I'll do $100 with you.
13:2672 the next TWO GAMES.
13:28>> NO, I'M NOT SAYING THAT. I WANTED TO TAKE your under on 85. Like >> Okay. Well, guess what? 72 is a lot more
13:33dropbacks than saying they don't ever want to throw the ball ever again.
13:39So, you just hoisted yourself with your own petard, Nate Noling. You just admitted that I was right.
13:43>> There is some signal in what we're seeing and it's not just randomness. And I do think that is a better play.
13:49>> There is like very very very minimal signal like true like like maybe like 1% signal 99% noise.
14:00>> Move on. We're not gonna keep having this. I think there's something >> Well, I'll just go ahead. Let's just go
14:04ahead and and and say let's >> You played You played wild. I can't believe you.
14:08>> No, I just easily dunked on you guys again because I play so [ __ ] good because I'm so good at this. I played
14:14Dakota Rain Prescott, Chase Brown, Brilen Allen, Jamar Chase, Zay Flowers, Wandell Robinson, Hunter Henry from Andre Stevenson, and the Denver Broncos
14:24defense. The 2v2 that I played versus you guys was instead of playing uh the aforementioned Kate Uton or Mark Andrews, I said, "Hey, why don't I play
14:33a guy who actually is a big part of his team's passing offense, had the first two completions of the game for the New
14:39England Patriots before injuring his foot and in the second quarter and not returning." Uh, and then why don't I just play Jamar Chase who is going to
14:48have the most explosion game of all time against the Tennessee Titans. He indeed did have the the biggest like actually I
14:56guess his own teammate outscored him in the end because Higgins scored uh finally um in their their final possession in overtime. I just thought
15:05Hunter Henry was so much better than playing Mark Andrews or Kate Uton. I actually had Otton when I swapped off of
15:12this. Maybe maybe if I was more woke to Andrews I actually would not have played this team in the end. But to me, I just
15:19thought Jamar Chase was, if not as good of a play as Puka, like right right up next to it. Chase was
15:28like my favorite tournament play. I didn't play any puka in tournaments. I I just wanted to play the Titans. The Titans stink. But more importantly, the
15:37Cincinnati Bengals can't run the ball, so their only way of generating offense is throwing the ball. I don't I just thought Chase is 7,700. I mean, I not
15:46that I don't I don't think you guys played poorly. I think your team was fine. I just It's [ __ ] Jamar Chase and I just
15:54didn't want to play Mark Andrew, man.
15:56Sue me. Sue me. I've se I've seen enough of Mark Andrews in my life, man. I've seen enough.
16:02>> I I get it, buddy. I totally get it. I think the difference between Chase and and Puka just just holistically, maybe
16:11not in this matchup, but like Chase can disappear.
16:16>> Absolutely.
16:16>> He has games where where he disappears and Puka legitimately like never does.
16:22>> He just never disappears. Like his floor is so much higher. Forget about the >> That's right about that's that's right
16:27about. So this is how we uh run the Sims had Puka for 23.4, Jamar Chase for 21.2.
16:34I think that's about right. That to me that that sounds about right.
16:38>> Yeah. And and so I felt more comfortable with Puka. Obviously he was like $900 more, but I didn't love Hunter Henry. I
16:46mean, you know, he's he's essentially getting cucked by by Rearen in like many senses. Um to the point where he's not like what he was uh you
16:56know, a year or two ago. Um Andrew sucks, Autton sucks, like all these guys sucked. Uh maybe it was right to to go
17:04to Henry, but I didn't think the difference was that great where I was willing to like eat it. Um you did and
17:09and you had some courage. I'm I'm happy for you.
17:13>> I just I like it's it was also one of those slates where I was my decision in cash was being colored by what I was
17:21trying to do in tournaments and Chase was like I wanted to jam Chase in tournaments and I didn't want to play
17:26Puka at all in tournaments, you know?
17:28Like it was one of those where like I spent all morning working on my tournament teams come back to cash and
17:32I'm like I just spent the last 90 minutes figuring out how to get Jamar Chase teams. Why am I trying to spend an
17:39extra 900 bucks on Puka Nakua when I have to make a sacrifice that I don't want to make to to get there? You know
17:46what I'm saying?
17:48>> I asked this like not just to be dumb, but like how many did you plan on Jamar Chase running over twice as many routes
17:55as as Puka Nua? Oh, yes. This was actually the thing I wanted to get to.
18:00This is I I I actually told Sammy this right before you hopped on. I wanted to wait to talk about this. The fact that
18:05the Chargers are the worst team in football, like straight up like they are incapable of generating a first down at this point, I actually do think should
18:14trim back your overall play expectation for the Rams. And also, the Rams have done this their most recent like they did this last week and they did it now.
18:24They they are negative pass rate over expectation. They were negative poe last week. They're negative proe this week. I think it's pretty clear what they want
18:32to do, which is uh actually I just listen Shawn McVey. They were just playing his press conference on um on Red Zone and he basically was kind of
18:41like, "Yeah, dude. We're we're a [ __ ] mash unit right now. Like we don't have any of our guys. We are we are trying to
18:47survive. Like we are we I I believe he literally said uh survive in advance."
18:52So, it's like they're they're just trying to they're not there's no running up the score. Like they were they were up 24 to9 for the entire fourth quarter.
19:00I think they I think they threw the ball twice in the fourth quarter. Maybe maybe not even twice in the fourth quarter. I
19:08I can't remember when their last pass attempt came. They got they got the ball back with six minutes left and did not
19:13attempt a forward pass.
19:15>> No, they they they did. They they they threw one to Davis Allen on third and five to convert. My bad. Yeah. little
19:21little [ __ ] ass, but the point remains, they just wanted to grind it out.
19:26>> It's like it's like, you know who I also didn't play today? Uh, I didn't play Travis Kelce. I didn't play Rashi Rice.
19:32I didn't play Ken Walker. I didn't play Patrick Mahomes because these guys, they're they're they're operating and it's actually very funny because they
19:40blew that game in the end. Hilar Well, so bad. Um, but like >> yeah, worst worst loss, Chiefs or Cowboys?
19:48I mean, it's the Cowboys, of course, but >> yeah, I'm not like I'm in no way saying Puka is a bad play like that that I'm
19:55not not an iterative part of what I'm saying. It's just that I do think the insane crazy 40point ceiling games for
20:05Puka are a little bit harder to access when you're playing a pathetic team that can't score and you also yourself don't
20:14have the impetus to do the high-flying stuff because you're all your guys are dead. How funny is it that we're sitting
20:20here and we're like, you know, uh the the Tennessee Titans can push the Bengals, but the Rams are playing the Chargers. They they are not going to
20:30push Mike, >> but like it's there is some legitimacy to it. But I will also say Vegas has not adjusted then and Davis should be taking
20:39Rams unders in every game moving forward if you really believe this take because the Rams still had a very high team
20:44total. the I mean, Puka legitimately is the only offensive weapon they have when they pass the ball. And so, if you
20:49expect the Rams to only have 25 routes run for Puka, then then yeah, I agree like you should bet the under on them every time. But I I do
20:58think this is an anomaly. Like you got a nut low outcome from Puka and a nut high volume outcome from Chase. Chase running
21:0453 routes is like the top of his range and 25 routes for Puka getting 12 on those 25 routes. It's like
21:14>> to me the big difference >> why don't why don't we compare >> you just compare whoppers >> why don't we just the whopper cuz
21:24>> well I mean puka's whopper was >> 12 25 dropbacks >> I was going to say puk like literally lead the league in whopper
21:31>> yeah it was at 0.98 whopper for the week where Jamar Chase had a 74 and so I obviously like I mean I don't know like
21:39Cincinnati had obviously a ton of volume the game script played out perfectly for them, whatever. But like this was you got like the high high outcome for Chase
21:48and you got a not low outcome for Puka and you barely >> made it work.
21:54>> Uh >> well, he also got I didn't First off, I didn't I didn't barely make it work. I I beat you guys by 11. So I didn't bar I
22:02didn't barely make it work. I I could have given back all of Jamar Chase's fourth quarter and overtime points and still beat you. Just to be to be to be
22:09clear about that. Um, I could have just given back some of the points and still beat you. Um, and Hunter Henry also got
22:15injured and didn't play the entire second half of this game and would have beat you by even more. So, just to be to
22:20be clear on that.
22:21>> This is a fair point. This is a fair point.
22:25>> So, I I I I don't I don't need you I don't need you to say I got away with it, Nate, because I
22:30>> You did. You did. Mark Andrews literally Lamar hit a third quarterback.
22:35>> Mark Andrews would have had a way better game. He certainly wouldn't have just dropped the touchdown. He certainly wouldn't have just just easily gotten
22:42open and dropped it. Certainly.
22:44>> Yeah. I think I think Zay Flowers would have probably had a better game. I cannot [laughter] look deep into my soul
22:50and say, you know what, Mark Andrews would have done a lot better if Lamar Jackson was back there.
22:56Dude, Mark Andrews is a [ __ ] He is a tumble weed rolling down [laughter] highway, brother. Like, it's over.
23:06>> Um, I guess I guess maybe play to be cash in the year 2026. What the [ __ ] >> I I think the the only other interesting
23:16thing to talk about in our lineups is that none of us played Toutin. We all played Chase Brown, Brilen Allen, and
23:23Raandre. I mean, >> or or the text, Davis.
23:28>> No, no, you were on it. And and I don't none of us I don't even think considered playing Coleman either which um
23:36>> I considered Coleman in like the first >> correct I had I before we got Brillin I had Coleman in um and Coleman you know
23:46he ended up getting there at the end like he was a meh play he was okay for his price obviously he got this massive
23:5250-yard catch and then a touchdown like right at the end of the game but I don't think he was like some smash but
23:58certainly I I had him in before we got the Brillin news. But the thing I'm mad about is being a stone goddamn coward
24:05yet again. Yet again, I'm a stone coward because I texted you guys this morning and I said, "I'm considering Toutin straight up over Chase Brown." And I
24:16didn't go for it. I stuck with the projections. You know, depending on where you looked, Brown was about a point and a half better than Tuton. But
24:24the thing is that Bealt Tutin is good and explosive and Chase Brown is just ass. And so and I think he's more
24:34fragile.
24:36>> He's so bad. And I think he's more fragile too because they've shown that like at times they'll just like go to
24:42Perine, you know?
24:44>> So he's not >> I I disagree with that. I actually don't think he's fragile at all because he still has the receiving work. He had
24:52eight receptions in this game. Toutton Toutin can like is pretty live to like not have a reception in a given game.
24:58Now, he he functioned very well as a receiver today, but there will there will be games where Toutton straight up like does not have a catch.
25:07>> Chase Brown's going to have three touchdowns here soon and everybody's going to be like completely missing missing it. I I I I
25:16don't I'm not worried about Chase Brown at all. I think the fact >> Well, they're going to have to get down
25:18to the three times then, Nate. the fact that he gets 17 points. He's out there every He's out there every snap. He's
25:25getting passing work. He's getting rushing work. He's he does have some juice when he does have the ball and >> it's just not working out for touchdowns
25:33right now. But it's not like he's not he's going to get those touchdowns. He's going to get them. And I don't I don't
25:40think he's this bad play. I don't think the projections are wrong. I think we're just seeing some like touchdown variance not go his way. And Tutin obviously is a
25:47per touch explosive. Like Tutin has it.
25:50He's I mean he's unreal with the ball.
25:52>> Yeah, he's just really really good.
25:54>> But I do I I'm I'm going to continue to play Chase Brown.
25:59>> I will probably keep playing Chase Brown, but I feel bad for in a slate where every running back play was good.
26:10There were like 11 running back plays that I think you could have like conceived like you could have played I think defensible running back plays you
26:17could have done in cash. Brillin Allen, Raandre Stevenson, Tutin, Coleman, Bucky, Chase Brown. That is six. That's a lot. Generally speaking, there
26:28normally are not that many. And to just and to just ape into Chase Brown and be like, "Yeah, gotta gotta do it." I mean,
26:36and the funniest thing about all of this is that Zay Flowers is just sitting here with a freaking is is this is 80 is 78%
26:46the highest owned a wide receiver has been in was Michael Wilson more owned the one week.
26:5378%'s got to be about as high as it's been.
26:56>> It's got to be close. And it's got to be the highest non-injury zero from this price tag at this point. I mean it it it
27:04certainly I mean it's it's more owned than this zero this Zflower zero is more owned combined than the Ted Hurst plus
27:15Kotton ownership and cash last week.
27:18>> It's really insane.
27:20>> Yeah. You know, you know, on uh on on prize pick/underdog, I thought I was so sharp because I took all sorts of Z
27:27Flowers overs at 70.5 receiving yards at the beginning of the week and then Lamar was confirmed in and it just started
27:34getting pumped and it was to the mid 80s and I'm like, god damn, I'm so sharp.
27:37>> Do you guys Do you guys >> an insane beat >> and like this is a crazy beat on underdog. So we do
27:46>> I want to see it. Hell yeah. So we do the the ship chasing show, right? So we do these underdog pickums and we're and
27:52we're sweating it. This is what we did for the second half. We did James Cook who scored, McBride who scored, Bucky
27:58who scored. This was uh a 38 Xer and we took Jamar Chase to get a second touchdown. And after we took Jamar
28:06Chase, T. Higgins scored not once but twice. And Burrow missed Jamar Chase who was wide open who had just easily
28:16skinned his defender. And I don't know what Baker I don't know what Burrow saw in that play. I I I could I I you could
28:24watch you could show me that play 10 times. I will not and I will not know what Burrow saw to to shortarm that
28:31ball. But that was um that was a sickening one. All right. I've got some postcontest sims here. I'll show one team I played that I really liked that
28:39was good. Uh, that made me some money.
28:41So, I played Joe Burrow, Chase Brown, Brilin Allen, Jamar Chase, Casey Conpsion instead of Godwin, uh, instead of Jacobe Lane, instead of Jeremy
28:53Bernard. I I I actually kind of liked KCC today. I played Juanale. I played McBride. I played Jonah Coleman in the
29:00flex, and I played the Broncos defense.
29:03Uh, actual ROI 135%.
29:06Uh the projection ROI was not great, but the SIM ROI, so the pre-lock SIM ROI on this one was really, really good. Um I'm
29:16assuming because the Burrow doubles, all all the Burrow doubles were Joe Burrow,
29:27Jamar Chase, T. Higgins, or Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase, Maziki. They were they were not done with Chase Brown because Nate, I'm assuming Chase Brown stuff simmed
29:37really well for you pre and post lock because he projected really good. No one wanted to play him. He turned the cards
29:43over. No one played him.
29:45>> Yep.
29:46>> Yeah.
29:47>> Yeah. Chase Chase Brown projected well.
29:49Um and you just the the one reason why I would say this probably didn't sim well post lock is because you don't have tea,
29:56right?
29:57>> No. No tea. So T was the one who came in underowned of the whole Cincinnati thing and so any of the Cincinnati sacks that
30:04didn't have T because Burrow actually came in under in most contests. Um but if you didn't have T I think that's
30:10where >> yeah you couldn't have gone with I Manor and and got up to T. Higgins in that
30:19conception. Well, I I never I I just I I Manor I didn't want to do the the thing I did want to do and we'll talk about
30:26this in my next lineup before we get to your guys. I I'll show you guys what I did do with the um with the Tennessee
30:32Titans. So, this is what I played in the double spy. I am my my ass is so [ __ ] chapped because this lineup is so good.
30:40I played Lamar Jackson, Brilen Allen, Bichel Tutton, Jamar Chase, Zay Flowers, Pwash, Gunner Helm, 9% owned, 14 points
30:51at tight end, Jonah Coleman 25% in the flex, and the Lions defense. I am just so chapped at this Lamar injury, dude.
31:00I just I cannot believe this Lamar injury, dude. I The first play of the game. the first play of the game, dude.
31:11Are you kidding me, man?
31:14>> Yeah. Hell, hell of a run for the kid.
31:15So, you played Tuton and Parker together.
31:19>> Yeah. If I've learned anything from Nate Nulling, it's that the team level onslaught stuff does this. This was one of the I actually couldn't get lineups
31:27to sim that well this >> Davis.
31:29>> Yes.
31:30>> The the one thing you did do that I that I like it breaks the cardinal Nate knowing rule is you played good players.
31:38>> Yeah. So this is what you did. You played Z Flowers, you played Tutin, and those are the guys that everybody wants
31:45to play. And same with Lamar. So Lamar came in overowned. Tutin came in overowned. Zay Flowers came in at 51% owned [clears throat] in that contest.
31:52>> But Pwash was 10%. Pw was 10%.
31:56>> But your main stack came in like multiple percentage points over. And so it was like >> you and then Tutin was the fancy running
32:03back play that everybody wanted to play that projected worse than Chase Brown worse than all these other guys and came in higher
32:08>> but Gunnar Helm dude 9% owned Gutter Helm dude >> but you played Tuton at a higher ownership >> since the very beginning Davis that's
32:16been your guy >> true >> you played Tut tootin at a higher ownership than Chase Brown for less projection and so it's just one of those
32:21things of like I get it that like he's a better he looks but like that's what everybody does in tournaments is they
32:27play the guy who looks like they have more talent Looks like they have more juice. And so >> yeah, >> I shared I shared one lineup that was
32:35good, one lineup that ran bad. Now we can share a lineup that is just pure dog [ __ ] [laughter] >> Yeah, baby. This is what the people want
32:43to see. Let's see.
32:44>> This is This is Okay, so this is what I played in the big spy.
32:47>> Oh boy.
32:49>> I played I played Baker Mayfield. Zero completed passes. Made sure to have the bring back though. Bean Robinson had to
32:57get the bring back in there. Brilan Pewash, Chris Godwin Jr. and Ted Hurst.
33:03Had to make sure to get Ted Hurst in there. Trey McBride, Raandre Stevenson, and the Chargers defense. A cool 34% uh projection neutral sim ROI, 59% sim
33:15ROI. I mean, that that [clears throat] is some dog water. That is a >> This is This is field realized. No, no,
33:25no no.
33:26>> Cuz you're feeling real. This is actually a great lineup.
33:29>> It is. So, this was a really good >> This is a good lineup.
33:32>> I [laughter] was gonna say this this lineup. This lineup, this was the best sim ROI lineup that that I had,
33:39>> dude. Baker, Bejian, all came in under own. Brillin came in underowned. This is a really good lineup.
33:45>> Let me tell you. Let me tell you.
33:46>> This is going to send post lock. This is going to send postlock as in like one of the top 50 of the contests.
33:52>> I I regretted this lineup. I I literally I shut down my stream this morning. I go upstairs. I go uh I I grab a water. I
34:01come back downstairs. I turn on our ship chasing show. I click on red zone and I see the field and I said, "Oh, dude,
34:10no." I I saw the Buccaneers game and I was like, "Nope, no, not happening."
34:16Already over. Um >> dude, honestly, if it wasn't for weather, this would be a good lineup.
34:22Like when you look at what those ownerships came in at, the Baker stack is like the sharpest stack of the slate.
34:29>> Yeah. Yeah, it was uh it it it was tough. I mean, do I do I do I so like my
34:37my want plays for GPP this this morning?
34:40Like the the guys I was like, "Okay, let me try and get these guys to sim well were Brillin, Chase, Pwash, McBride.
34:49Those were like I just wanted to try and build as many lives as I could with those guys. Uh, all right, Sammy, which
34:55of these contests, the spy, the red zone, any of the red zones, which one which one do you want me to pull up?
35:01>> Yeah, I pull up the big spy.
35:04>> Big spy. Now, let me see if I can um let me see if I can spell whirling derbish.
35:09I might, you know, might be a little bit tough. I still can't believe that's your username.
35:15>> Eat a dick, brother.
35:17whirling.
35:20There you go. There it is. Uh 88% sim ROI for for Sammy's lineup.
35:27>> Oh, awesome. Maybe me and you can uh go take a nice vacation together with all our Slansky Bucks. See if
35:34>> Jacob Jacobe Brassette, Raandre Stevenson, Jonah Coleman, CD Lamb, Michael Wilson, I Manor, McBride, Javvante, and the Bronx. This actually is a great lineup.
35:45Um, you did leave Javvante Williams in your flex and play Jonah Coleman at your second running back slot. Uh, but honestly, I buddy,
35:53>> buddy, I have I have kids. I'm I'm swapping like 0%. I'm I'm at the park.
35:58Like, it [laughter] ain't happening, dude. So, like, this [ __ ] don't matter to me.
36:02>> Although, uh, I I see from your screenshot in our our thread that >> Jacobe came in at 10% owned. Am I
36:11reading this right? That's [ __ ] insane.
36:15>> Sammy, I don't think that's going to sim super well post lock.
36:20>> I mean, it is. It is.
36:22>> 10% Jacobe Brassette who got stone ass benched in the middle of the game because he's bad. Like, the era just
36:29ended in the middle of the game. Um, yeah, but you know, >> Davis, there's no way that stems well post lock. You had Jacobe at 10%, you
36:36had Michael Wilson at 11%, and Trey McBride at 18%.
36:40>> It It's okay. It did pre-lock, but it's yeah negative 31% in a yield >> ROI because all your stack I mean this
36:47is the same thing with Davis that I was saying earlier. If your stack ends up overowned, it's just going to sim very
36:51poorly because the thing that you correlate around is already like it doesn't help you separate. So it's okay to play chalk pieces, but when they
36:59>> should have been it should have been pretty clear that like people would do that. You know what I mean? Because like Dallas was the
37:07team. So people are just going to take the other side of it. Um yeah.
37:13>> Yeah.
37:15>> Not not the best.
37:16>> I actually think I actually think what is saving him and why he does have the sim the good SIM ROI here is that
37:23Michael Wilson the sim ROI is the post lock number. The reason why it's simming well is because Michael Wilson was 11%.
37:33and Io Manor who we had projected very well was 11% and Wandale and Helm and the other Titans guys were simming and
37:44we also had a really aggressive projection on Jonah Coleman who he got at 22%. I I I think this is right. I I
37:51think this is correct.
37:53I don't think this is wrong.
37:55>> Yeah, I I wanted I wanted I Manor instead of Wandell. I mean, I thought that was, you know, I Manor was, I
38:01think, three stone 3K, and he's shown a proclivity to like be able to make big plays, whereas Wandelle's like the, you
38:09know, six catch, 47 yard guy. Um, but I thought I thought W I thought I Manor could could do something. Uh, as it
38:17turns out, Chamir DK was the guy that you wanted to have um in that spot. But, you know, I I I just kind of said, you
38:25know, I want access to this game, but I want to do it in a way that I don't think will be super owned, but obviously
38:31people uh and and I didn't want to play a jackass at tight end, you know what I mean? So, it like kind of made I put
38:38Brassette together with uh with Trey McBride, but you know, at the end of the day, it was not a super unique thought.
38:46I think a lot of people did that.
38:48>> Yeah. I mean, I manner was a great play.
38:50I think I maner coming in at 11% is like one of the better value wide receiver plays you could have done. I mean if
38:56when you look at like Ted Hurst last week he was like 35% own in tournaments up to 40% I think and he was essentially
39:02the same play projection wise as I maner this week and so yeah I mean getting in at 11% is like that's great.
39:12So what what the SIM ROI tab is saying is that this is simmed against the real contest field, the actual entries and
39:19ownership, not the pre-lock projected field. So I'm guessing, and I would have to dig under the hood a little bit more
39:25to know it, but I would guess that the field did not play Jonah Coleman with Michael Wilson very much.
39:34That's my guess. My guess is that the ownerships might the product ownership might be kind of high, but the specific way that Sammy built it. I would assume
39:44that most people who did Io Manor and most people who did Coleman were doing so to get three expensive receivers.
39:51They were doing Puka and Chase. They were doing um you know T even even T and Chase you know together. It was it was
39:59not to play Michael Wilson would would be my guess as to why. I I I feel pretty good about that actually about that
40:05being um the case.
40:07>> Well, here pull up mine in the spy. I don't want to go through this lineup too much, but I I did have a team in this
40:12one that'll be I want to compare to Sammy's. [clears throat] >> Nate N. Nate N with Dak, Jir Gibbs, Jonah Coleman, CD Lamb, George Pickkins,
40:23Wendell Robinson, Hunter Henry, Malik Washington, and the Broncos defense. Uh I I was wondering, we literally have not talked about Jir Gibbs at I was I was
40:31curious to get your guys' thoughts on what you wanted to do with him today.
40:35>> Yeah. So, this lineup I I got pretty good projection out of it. Uh it was like a projection that I mean I think Sam uh what was the
40:46what was Sammy's overall projection? I bet I bet my projection here is close and it's probably 40 points under >> Oh, but you got you got mega sim ROI.
40:55>> Yeah. So, this lineup came in with really high projection because you have uh you have Dak, you have um Wandale,
41:03you have um Hunter Henry, CD, and Pickkins and Coleman. So, like there's a lot of really good value plays. And then
41:10paying up for Gibbs, I knew Gibbs was going to come in uh low. He came in way lower than I expected. He came in at 5%.
41:17Pickins came in at 3% and then Malik Washington was 1%. And so I had three guys singledigit ownership. Dak at 15%
41:26was only a couple percent more than Jacobe. And so Dak felt like a great play uh when I saw the cards flip over.
41:33And so overall, I really like this lineup um in the spy. But it's an example of like you can still get high
41:39projection and not have to eat crazy ownership at times, you know.
41:45Well, the other thing that's good about this lineup is that it's got a wide receiver in the flex and not a lot of
41:50people are doing that these days.
41:52>> I would bet I was gonna say I literally bet what do you think? Like 10 15% of the field played a wide receiver in the
41:59flex. Probably even less honestly. I bet I bet even less than that today.
42:03>> Like no one no one no one did it today.
42:06Yeah.
42:07>> But the lineup I wanted Yeah.
42:11>> Go ahead.
42:14I [snorts] was gonna say the lineup. I >> was just gonna say because we had >> Sammy, you [ __ ] Your internet. Why is
42:20your internet connection so bad?
42:22>> Great. Great podcasting. Great podcasting.
42:25>> Sammy, go ahead.
42:27>> Sorry.
42:28>> I was just going to say this was the slate where you couldn't do two tight ends. So, if there were two good tight
42:33ends, you know, value that Nate would have played that. But because there weren't, he went with the fourth wide receiver, which you know at the end of
42:40the day is just it's going to give you even if you're like sum of ownership isn't that great and obviously it is on
42:47this team, but like not a lot of people are going to do that. So it's a way to get unique just in terms of your build and and I
42:57think Nate's done a really good job of that just overall this year.
43:00>> Yeah. Uh all right, Nate, do you have another lineup you want to look at?
43:04Yeah. Pull up the main event.
43:07So, this was the one >> it's not it's not the it's not cached yet, but I can run I'll run it through
43:13I'll just run it through our regular sim.
43:15>> Okay. So, this was the one I spent a lot of time on. I I knew the field was going to be sharper than uh a typical uh
43:22field. It was a little bit of a higher entry uh higher entry tournament. And so um I knew I wanted to have like the three
43:33best running back values that I saw on the slate. So, I locked in Chase Brown, Brilen Allen, and Randre. Um, and then I stacked uh Trevor Lawrence,
43:42and Brenton Strange. Um, and then did T.
43:46Higgins, Puka, Wandelle as wide receivers and brought it back and and had the Broncos defense. And so, um, I felt pretty confident that Trevor
43:55Lawrence stacked with Strange, but not with Washington was going to be a differentiator for me. And I thought that T. Higgins projected similar. And I
44:04and I thought if I could get T. Higgins game.
44:07>> What was the uh what was the field size?
44:10>> Uh, 4,000. It was like 4,400, I think.
44:15I'll pull it up. Uh, >> I actually I actually think that's um that's like a that's like a such a good
44:24thought that the the Lawrence like that is so unique and and that that buys you the ability to play the big the big
44:32chalk with Chase Brown and Raandre.
44:36>> Yeah. So, it was really two things that I did. I was like, "Okay, I want Trevor Lawrence and Britain Strange and then
44:42not Washington." And then I thought that the T. Higgins thing was a unique way to play without Chase, without Burrow. Um,
44:50and I thought that T. Higgins, like his projection was just going to be solid.
44:53And if there was anything that happened that didn't go to Chase, didn't go to Burrow, I'd pass all the Burrow teams
44:58with with with Higgins. So, so yeah, I I really liked this lineup. Obviously, it it did cash. It didn't like um
45:07it didn't like crush, but it did cash, which is important when you're playing something like that. So, yeah, felt good about it. But um would have loved
45:16Raandre to do something.
45:19I mean Raandre >> just got to play Tutin, bro.
45:26>> I wonder I wonder would this have even is this even a better lineup with Tutin over Chase Brown. Like I don't even
45:33really I don't even really know if it is, you know, because you're in a in a spot like this. It's it's kind of
45:40interesting you are saying like Toutton can't really because Toutton having such a good game murdered Lawrence and murdered Strange like Toutton Toutton
45:48being the way that Toutin gets there also too is kind of different like stacking Chase Brown with Burrow makes sense because Chase Brown can kind of
45:57get there in a variety of ways. He can get there in a slower pace game.
46:00Whatever. The way that Toutton gets there he just erases entire possessions for his teammates. Like he had I think he had four gains over 25 yards today,
46:10which is just like that's nuts. That's really hard to do.
46:14>> That's killer for stacks. Yeah.
46:16>> Yeah. It's it's really really bad for stacks.
46:20>> Yeah. So this one seemed >> Yeah. simmed pretty well pre-lock, but it was more I just felt postlock that it
46:27was going to be something that had >> it wasn't a fragile lineup. I I thought it was a pretty anti-fragile build, but
46:33um yeah. So pre-lock, I'm assuming why it's not simming that well in our stuff is that we didn't have B. So we had
46:43Brettton Strange is a pretty bad play because we had him owned and we had him projected worse than Hunter Henry and
46:51just the overall product own of this lineup is pretty high. Um I I I mean obviously they don't let me touch any of
47:01this stuff, so I really am really I'm really just guessing. Um, and it could or it could just be an intricacy of of
47:07how this and I would bet um I'll check this tomorrow and text you when the when the post contest I bet it I bet you're
47:14right that post contest I bet the the simari actually is better >> because of the unique combinations maybe >> because of the unique combinations of
47:23Chase and T no Burrow Strange Lawrence no Tutin although the the three guys together the Brilin Chase Brown
47:33I I would bet running back, running back, plus flex. That's the most owned combination of three players in the field.
47:42>> My guess is in a sharper field like this, it's not as high as you'd think.
47:48>> You're you're probably right about that.
47:50>> I think most people probably tried to not do that. Like because that was like the obvious thing of like don't do the
47:56obvious thing. And I maybe I overthuned it, but I I really did think that like in a in a field like this, most people
48:03wouldn't do that.
48:06>> Yeah. No, I I actually I actually think you are right. Um the more the closer you are to a a field size where people
48:13will just put their cash team in or or like some subvariant of the cash team, the more you're going to find those
48:19duplication issues. For sure. Yeah. Uh all right, boys. We're going to go ahead and get out of here. You guys can go
48:25watch uh Commander Eagles. I'm sure that's going well for everyone involved.
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