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Aug 6, 2026

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Brock PurdyChris BrooksChristian McCaffreyCyrus AllenDeAndre HopkinsDeebo SamuelDemarcus RobinsonDemario DouglasDenzel BostonDeuce VaughnDevin SingletaryDevontez WalkerDylan SampsonGarrett Wilson

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Brock Purdy

PositiveProjection45:50

The source identifies Brock Purdy's health as the primary condition for Deebo Samuel's fantasy success, suggesting that as long as Purdy is on the field, Samuel will score well.

Chris Brooks

NegativeDepth Chart55:42

Chris Brooks is characterized as a fullback who would only see significant opportunity if the team lacked other viable running back options on the roster.

Christian McCaffrey

NegativeUsage45:34

The source notes that if Christian McCaffrey were to miss time, Deebo Samuel would likely resume a 'McAffreyesque' role out of the backfield, though it would be less effective than in previous seasons.

Cyrus Allen

PositiveSleeper7:11

Cyrus Allen is an intriguing late-round target (ADP ~202) whose momentum was stalled by a shin injury. He profiles as a slot receiver capable of winning against man coverage, with stylistic comparisons to Josh Downs, Jayden Reed, and Demario Douglas. The source suggests he could emerge in the Chiefs' offense and replicate production if Rashee Rice misses time, noting his superior college touchdown production against Conference USA opponents.

DeAndre Hopkins

NegativeUsage5:28

The source cites DeAndre Hopkins' career trajectory as a cautionary tale for aging wide receivers like Stefon Diggs, noting that once Hopkins' usage began to be scaled back, it resulted in a significant and permanent reduction in his role.

Deebo Samuel

PositiveValue40:59

The source is significantly higher on Deebo Samuel than the market, ranking him at 124 (10 picks ahead of ADP). Samuel is viewed as underpriced and expected to produce well as long as Brock Purdy remains healthy. If Christian McCaffrey were to miss time, Samuel would likely resume a 'McAffreyesque' role out of the backfield, though the source notes his NFL valuation is currently lower than players like Kendrick Bourne, Marquise Brown, Jahan Dotson, and Tyquan Thornton.

Demarcus Robinson

NegativeDepth Chart46:14

The source dismisses the possibility of Demarcus Robinson playing ahead of Deebo Samuel, asserting that such a depth chart shift would only occur if Samuel were to suffer an injury.

Demario Douglas

NegativeRole12:48

Demario Douglas is cited as a lower-end comparison for Cyrus Allen, noting his ability to win against man coverage despite a somewhat gimmicky slot profile.

Denzel Boston

PositiveSleeper18:29

The source is actively targeting Denzel Boston due to his good camp reports and available opportunity, though they would reconsider if his ADP jumps into the 120s.

Deuce Vaughn

NegativeRole57:13

Deuce Vaughn is receiving positive buzz in training camp after a strong spring, with the Cowboys appearing to want him to provide a more dynamic element out of the backfield; however, he is not currently challenging for the lead-back role.

Devin Singletary

NegativeRole10:41

The source compares Cyrus Allen to Devin Singletary, implying that while he may not be the most exciting option, he is a reliable player who will perform his role once on the field.

Devontez Walker

NegativeDepth Chart22:02

Devontez Walker is competing for snaps in the Ravens' wide receiver room, but the source notes that Jacobe Lane has currently separated himself from Walker on the depth chart.

Dylan Sampson

PositiveSleeper52:58

Dylan Sampson is identified as a clear target for zero-RB draft strategies, though his overall fantasy ceiling is somewhat constrained by his current standing on the Browns' roster.

Garrett Wilson

PositiveUsage17:14

Garrett Wilson is identified as a traditional WR1 whose 25-30% target share is secure and can be written in pen, regardless of added competition in the offense.

George Kittle

PositiveValue42:09

The source believes George Kittle's fantasy value should have increased following the Ricky Pearsall injury, noting that his ADP has not budged despite the news.

George Pickens

NegativeUsage17:38

George Pickens is mentioned as an example of competition arriving for an established WR1 (CeeDee Lamb), illustrating that elite players can maintain their target share despite such additions.

Hunter Renfrow

NegativeRole13:36

Hunter Renfrow is cited as a historical example of a slot receiver who was initially dismissed by the fantasy community but proved to be a capable real-life contributor, serving as a potential archetype for emerging players like Cyrus Allen.

Jakobi Meyers

NegativeValue2:13

The source uses Jakobi Meyers as a benchmark for the boring veteran archetype and the draft range (pick 100-110) where Stefon Diggs is currently being slotted.

Jalen Nailor

NegativeValue15:19

Jaylen Nailor is used as a historical benchmark for a specific rookie draft range, noting that his profile was similar to the player currently being discussed.

Jauan Jennings

PositiveValue42:01

The source remains higher on Jauan Jennings than his current ADP of 143, noting that he represents value following the Ricky Pearsall injury.

Javonte Williams

NegativeUsage57:10

Javonte Williams is not currently being challenged for his lead-back role, but his fantasy value is limited by his lack of explosiveness after the catch and his limitations as a receiver. He is at risk of losing snaps to teammates like Jaleel McLaughlin and Tyler Badie, and he is considered a poor high-upside target in certain draft formats.

Jayden Reed

NegativeRole12:31

Jayden Reed is used as a stylistic comparison for Cyrus Allen, highlighting his ability to win downfield from the slot.

Josh Downs

NegativeRole12:24

Josh Downs is used as a stylistic comparison for Cyrus Allen, specifically regarding his ability to win against man coverage from the slot.

Josh Jacobs

NegativeValue25:19

The source views Josh Jacobs as a good value at his 41 ADP, provided he avoids suspension, and notes he is a better bet to outscore Javonte Williams over a 17-game season. While Jacobs is dealing with a minor leg/groin strain, the source advises against overreacting to minor camp injuries. The risk of a significant suspension has decreased, with the source estimating only a 5-15% chance of a meaningful suspension.

Justin Jefferson

PositiveUsage17:14

Justin Jefferson is identified as a traditional WR1 whose 25-30% target share is secure and can be written in pen, regardless of added competition in the offense.

Kadarius Toney

NegativeBust28:57

The source uses Kadarius Toney as a historical comparison for injury-prone players who wash out of the league, noting that his situation was compounded by off-field and attitude issues.

Khalil Shakir

NegativeValue15:19

Khalil Shakir is used as a historical benchmark for a specific rookie draft range, representing the tier of prospect that players like Cyrus Allen would occupy if they possessed higher draft capital.

Luther Burden

PositiveValue40:35

In redraft formats, the source prefers drafting Luther Burden over Josh Jacobs, prioritizing the potential upside of the pick over the perceived safety of a veteran running back.

Mark Andrews

PositiveUsage23:25

The source notes that Mark Andrews is no longer a locked-in 20% target share player, citing a decline in production over the past few seasons as evidence that there is room for other pass-catchers to emerge in the Ravens' offense.

MarShawn Lloyd

PositiveBreakout23:50

The source is highly optimistic about MarShawn Lloyd, ranking him at 179 (roughly 10 picks ahead of ADP) as one of the highest-upside RB2s on the board. Despite a recent hamstring injury, the source notes his injury history consists of minor strains rather than structural damage. Lloyd has a clear path to the RB2 role in the Packers' offense, and while he is not currently challenging Josh Jacobs for the lead role, the team has identified him as their primary number two back.

Matthew Golden

NegativeValue2:13

The source references Matthew Golden as a player in the same general draft range (pick 100-110) as Stefon Diggs, though they note Diggs fits a different veteran archetype.

Mecole Hardman

NegativeUsage11:34

The source references Mecole Hardman's past usage as a precedent for how a secondary receiver could benefit from Rashee Rice's absence, noting that Hardman consistently receives targets when Rice is off the field.

Michael Pittman

NegativeValue2:13

The source identifies Michael Pittman Jr. as a veteran archetype similar to Stefon Diggs, placing them in the same draft range of approximately 100-110.

Odell Beckham

PositiveUsage5:00

The source uses Beckham's 2023 season with the Ravens as a cautionary tale for aging wide receivers; despite being efficient on a per-target and per-route basis, his limited snap counts were a clear indicator that he was nearing the end of his career.

Pat Bryant

NegativeValue15:19

Pat Bryant is used as a historical benchmark for a specific rookie draft range, noting that his profile was similar to the player currently being discussed.

Rachaad White

NegativeValue48:46

The source prefers Brian Robinson Jr. over Rachaad White in fantasy drafts, arguing that Robinson's rookie season efficiency is underrated and that he could be a significantly better rusher than White, which may be the deciding factor for backfield value.

Rashee Rice

NegativeBust9:12

The source characterizes Rashee Rice as an overvalued fantasy asset, labeling his production as 'fake' and a 'scam' relative to his high draft capital, which places him near elite talents like Chris Olave and Garrett Wilson. The source further argues that Rice is at higher risk of target share loss to incoming competition compared to traditional WR1s, and notes that his current knee injury and off-field issues complicate his security.

Ricky Pearsall

NegativeInjury41:56

The source questions whether the fantasy market has fully adjusted to the impact of the Ricky Pearsall injury on the 49ers' receiving corps.

Stefon Diggs

NegativeValue0:43

The source views the signing with Washington as a best-case scenario for Stefon Diggs, providing a wide-open target vacuum and a significant upgrade for the Commanders' offense. While playing time and potential age-related decline are risks—with the source noting that Diggs himself is the only hurdle to earning snaps—he is expected to move up in rankings, with a target draft range around pick 100-110. The source warns of the risk of a sharp decline in usage, citing DeAndre Hopkins' career trajectory as a cautionary tale for when an aging receiver's role begins to be scaled back.

TreVeyon Henderson

NegativeValue52:18

TreVeyon Henderson is currently overvalued at his ADP, which sits two rounds ahead of the starter, especially given that he is currently splitting reps 50-50 as the RB2.

Treylon Burks

NegativeDepth Chart1:56

The source implies that Treylon Burks was part of a group of receivers the Commanders were previously forced to rely on before the signing of Stefon Diggs, suggesting he was not viewed as a preferred option for the team's offensive ceiling.

Tyler Badie

NegativeUsage60:43

Tyler Badie is identified as a teammate who could potentially cut into Javonte Williams' workload, contributing to the source's skepticism regarding Williams' fantasy outlook due to his lack of explosiveness after the catch and limited receiving utility.

Tyquan Thornton

PositiveRole9:48

The source identifies Thornton as the current wide receiver three for the Chiefs, noting that the hurdle he has to clear for playing time is low, though he is not expected to command an every-snap role.

Woody Marks

NegativeRole53:35

Woody Marks is viewed as the pass-catching RB2 on an offense that is a positive regression candidate, though the team is actively looking to replace him as the starter.

Xavier Worthy

NegativeInjury2:13

The source notes that Worthy is currently injured and characterizes the start of his career as disappointing. He is currently in the same draft range (pick 100-110) as Stefon Diggs, though the source distinguishes between their respective archetypes.

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Episode Transcript

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0:01Welcome to the Legendary Upside podcast and YouTube channel. My name is Pat Grain. You can follow my content at legendary upside.com. With me today, Sam

0:08Sherman for our That's Fair uh show.

0:11Sam, how's it going?

0:14>> I'm good, Pat. Sorry to everyone out there. You know, we're five minutes late today. I mean, that that's kind of the

0:19the norm for us, but um >> you should you honestly if you show up to the chat on time, that's kind of on

0:27you at this point more than on us, I think.

0:29>> [laughter] >> Um but anyways, excited excited for the show. It's a lot of news. Should be should we go on?

0:36>> Yeah, we're going to talk through some of the training camp news. Um some of the big stuff that's jumped out to us.

0:43Um you want to start with uh with the dig signing? I mean, I think that's that's a pretty big one to just touch touch on.

0:52>> Yeah, for sure. I think that's the biggest news I think of the the past week. Um, Stefon Diggs, I believe,

0:59one-year deal up to 12 million with a lot of incentives, I believe, is the last I heard there. Um, you know,

1:07obviously a wide openen vacuum for targets in Washington at wide receiver 2. I think this is like from a real football standpoint, this really

1:16elevates the se the ceiling of the commanders offense. Um, you know, not having to run Trayon Burks and Luke McAffrey and whoever else they were

1:23planning to run out there. I think it's a big big upgrade for them. I think with Diggs, we we'll see. I think in terms of

1:29like where I'd slot him in in rankings.

1:33Um I think probably around the pick pick a 100 110 range. um with with some of

1:42the other guys. Uh you know, it's kind of a range there where there's like a couple of the guys who have disappointed

1:48earlier in their career, Ma Matthew Golden, Xavier Worthy, some more boring veteran guys, um like Michael Pitman, um Jacobe Meyers. I think that's, you know,

2:00obviously Diggs is more of like the the Pitman Meyers archetype um than than the the younger guys, but I think that's

2:07about where I'd slot. curious where you have him ranked. I'm sure you've thought more deeply than than I about this.

2:13>> Yeah. No, no, it it's a very similar range. Um, have him in that kind of early 100ish range. Um, and

2:24yeah, probably like won't go into if he ends up in the 90s, I don't think we'll chase him up there, but kind of the

2:34that same kind of general general range.

2:37um 108, 110, that kind of thing. So, I mean, I think uh this is you'll hear this before we

2:48release the episode we just did with with Zayn um on legendary sickos, but uh had a long discussion about diggs there just just with his um kind of

2:59management last year. You know, I think he was very efficient on a per route basis, but they needed like a younger

3:06receiver is running a lot more routes for the Patriots last year than than Diggs. He was just the first year off

3:13the ACL. Maybe it, you know, he's able to play more, but my guess is that he's going to be in somewhat of a limited

3:20route participation role, like a part-time role, but that he could be pretty efficient uh in that role. But then there's also you do have risk of

3:28you know DeAndre Hopkins it's sort of like when he started to get scaled back he got really scaled back. Remember that

3:34year at the Ravens where he was very efficient when he was running like 30% of the routes.

3:38>> You know they >> the like I can only do this for like X number of plays thing is one way that we

3:44see guys drop off even if they end up being efficient per route.

3:47>> So there's still risk with Diggs.

3:49Obvious this is this is best case scenario for him um >> in terms of landing spot. Uh, I mean, maybe you could argue the Chiefs, but

3:57there's a lot of there's a lot lot of targets available here. They they need a guy, and Diggs still looks good enough

4:03to where he can command targets when he's on the field. Playing time's a little bit of a concern. Um, another subsequent falloff is definitely a

4:11concern. Um, but I wasn't drafting a ton of digs before this, uh, which I regret.

4:18Um and you know he he's he should move up uh getting probably the best landing spot on the board that that was

4:26realistic.

4:28>> Yeah, for sure. And I I have similar thoughts to you about the the sample size uh limited participation last year.

4:36I mean, he was at 2.1 yards per route run if you factor in the playoff games.

4:40I think it's even higher if it was just regular season because he didn't perform right >> that well in the playoffs last year.

4:46But, you know, you it's funny you brought you brought up the DeAndre Hopkins Ravens year. I was going to bring up the Odell Beckham Ravens year.

4:54A very similar thing where Odell, I think, was at like two yards per route run. I believe was Zflowers rookie year

5:00where Odell was on the Ravens and playing a limited role, very efficient on a per target basis. But um you know

5:07the fact that they weren't playing him a lot of a lot of snaps is I think evidence that he was you know towards

5:13towards the end of his career there. So I I do worry about that with Diggs. That that said like there is not a huge

5:24hurdle to clear here to get playing time to be on the field a lot. Um it's >> basically no hurdle. He is the he

5:31himself is the hurdle. Like how much do you have left?

5:35Exactly. No hurdle at all. So, awesome landing spot. Um, and yeah, I think I think there's there's touchdown u upside here in the Commander offense. I think

5:47we don't know how it's going to shake out. New new offensive coordinator, it's going to be a different offense. Um, you

5:54know, we'll see. But at least there's a seal. Like, if we fast forwarded and the Commanders had a top eight offense at

6:00the end of the season, I don't think that would be a shock. It's in the range of outcome. So, I think getting getting

6:06a player attached to that offense is is pretty exciting.

6:10>> Agreed. And I've drafted him some since um the signing. He hasn't like rocketed up into the seventh or eighth round,

6:17which is where I' I'd be out. But um obviously he's moved up a lot. The question now is like are people who would take him in the eighth

6:27just knowing they don't have to, you know? So, we'll see over the next week how high he rises, but I've mostly heard

6:34that same kind of like 100 to 110 ranking so far. So, even if he does vault up, even if certain drafts he

6:43starts to go into the 80s or 90s, >> I'm actually starting to wonder if he he settles more in that kind of 100 pick

6:50range in baseball. But, I don't really feel I don't have much confidence. I'm just kind of curious to see how it how

6:57it shakes out. For now, I'm down to take him in the in the 100s.

7:02>> Um, >> yep.

7:04>> Any any stuff on the rookie wide receivers? There's been several rookie wide receivers who have been making noise. Cyrus Allen on the Chiefs, Jacobe

7:12Lane with Baltimore. Uh, Ted Hurst has gotten a little bit more run recently because every uh, Bucks receiver has been hurt. Um, obviously Deshawn

7:22Stribbling kind of that's like old news now. Now it's like a new crop of uh rookie wide receivers, but he's looked

7:29good. So there's been uh some intriguing rookie wide receiver rumblings. What's what's stood out to you there?

7:36>> Yeah, I think I I wanted to start with Cyrus Allen as as an interesting one because I' i've been thinking a lot

7:41about like is is he because he he hasn't risen at all. So, like the question is like is is he draftable right now? Like

7:48until he rises more, that's like all you need to decide. At least an underdog, he's ADP of like 202 or something, 18th

7:56round pick. And I I'm kind of surprised that he's still that low with all the buzz. I mean, I guess it is, you know,

8:05the the Shin injury kind of stopped the momentum. maybe he was going to rise a lot if that didn't happen. But the

8:12reporting on him was like really interesting and not just a hey random local beat reporter X like wrote in his blog that Cyrus Allen made some plays in

8:23camp. It it was like getting to the point of national folks chiming in on it. Um I believe Nate >> playing Mahomes a lot.

8:33>> Yeah, playing [clears throat] with Mahomes a lot. Nate Taylor I believe was the guy. He's the ESPN guy. still a

8:37local beat reporter, you know, had the report around like the Chiefs were re-evaluating who Cyrus Allen could be as a player and what that would mean for

8:46the offense. Um, Shfter was like when there was that injury, Chef was retweeting some of that stuff and and, you know, alluding to how he was sort of

8:57a big big deal in Kansas City. I mean, you don't see Sher like retweeting injury news for random six round rookies

9:04or fif [clears throat] rookies, right?

9:05So, I I do think there like some of that buzz was real. And I I think the opportunity in Kansas City is is pretty

9:12awesome. I mean, you have Rashid Rice coming off the jail and the knee injury. Um >> coming off the jail. [laughter]

9:21>> Yeah, the the whole jail thing. Um, yeah. I mean, whatever you want to say about Rashidra, like he's not healthy

9:31right now or I guess he's playing in in 11-11.

9:34>> He's kind of ramping back up. Yeah, >> he's ramping back up. So, you know, he he'll probably be fine, but not healthy

9:41right now. Zavier Worthy's injured right now. Also pretty disappointing start to his career the last two years. Wide receiver three is nobody. It's it's

9:48Taekquin Thornton. So, again, the hurdle he has to clear to get playing time I think is pretty low. And I think like

9:55the ceiling of target earning is also pretty high because um I actually, you know, we can have the Rashid Rice conversation. I do kind of think that

10:04the whole like Rashid Rice thing is ultimately kind of a scam that at any point the Chiefs like could decide to go

10:13away from like he he's very weird from in in that sense, right? where like he gets drafted around like Chris Olive and

10:19Garrett Wilson and those guys, but like everyone knows from a real life football standpoint, he is like tears behind those guys as like a real life talent.

10:27So, it's just kind of like when I think about target ceiling, I I view him as like much less of a hurdle than some of

10:33those other wide receiver ones. So, anyways, I I just think like the opportunity is really interesting for Allen, but I'm curious. [clears throat]

10:41>> He's sort of the Devin Singleary of receivers though. like you pro like you could have a better option but as soon

10:48as you put him on the field like it's going like he's going to do the thing like >> I think my read on Rashi Rice is like

10:56yes of course like >> relative to Justin Jefferson or Drake London even like he his fantasy points are fake but also you'd have to

11:08basically you'd either have to get a star in there or you'd have to like Cyrus Allen's not gonna dust Rashi Rice unless he doesn't play.

11:18Unless Rice just is literally not playing because what whatever Rice has going on that's the scamminess is partly on Mahomes.

11:25>> Like Mahomes enjoys >> the Rice scam as much as anyone. So, but I at the same time I mean if Rice were

11:34to miss time because it's somewhat scammy Cyrus Allen could benefit in a big way. We've seen this from Guju. I mean, Guju gets targeted when Rice isn't

11:44out there, you know, and when he was on the team, but uh he's I could see Cyrus Allen replicating some of that for sure.

11:52I could also see him playing outside some. Um I don't think Taquin Thornton's going to have like an every snap role

11:59even if he's like technically ahead of Allen.

12:02>> Yeah. And we should talk a little bit about like who Cyrus Allen is as a player. I'm fairly new to his game, but

12:10sort of reading about him more in the past couple days. Um, Matt Harmon reception perception was very high and his profile, he he profiles as sort of a

12:19a slot. He played slot receiver in college at Cincinnati, but was not sort of your gimmicky pop gun, you know, four

12:27yard hitch and that's all he can do type slot receiver. Like he could win against man coverage downfield. It read to me a

12:34little bit like Josh Downsy um Jaden Reed type type of player where they can still beat um man coverage and win

12:41downfield out of the slot. So I think that's like the arc type of of player we're we're talking about. I think maybe

12:48like lower end comp is maybe like Deario Douglas again he's a slot receiver maybe a little bit more in like the gimmicky

12:55mold but can win against man coverage and does have some solid route running ability. So, I think that's the the spectrum of guy we're talking about. I

13:03don't know if you like have gone deep on his, you know, analy.

13:06>> I have him in my mind. He he comes out in the lowest tier just like waiverwire type of guy.

13:11>> Yeah. [clears throat] >> Um, >> and, you know, we've seen Jaylen Lane was in that same tier last year. Had a

13:19big summer, didn't really do anything.

13:21So, I would kind of remain skeptical on like who Siren Cyrus Allen really can be. But at the same time, we have missed

13:29some of the guys that I've missed on over the years analytically have been and in a way like I kind of

13:36don't mind this, but like Hunter Renfro, you know, like >> he was like, "Oh yeah, this guy's nothing." And he wasn't nothing, you

13:44know, like there's been there's I'm not really looking for these guys. I'm not looking to find Pop Douglas and Hunter Renfro and some of these dudes who can

13:53emerge as like capable real life number threes, you know? I'm looking for guys who can be like dynasty stars. And so I

14:02think Cyrus Allen uh could be better than like I would have assumed um when I was looking to like find,

14:13you know, the next the next Jamar Chase, right? Like he's not that.

14:17>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

14:19Exactly.

14:20>> Like he rates poorly in like the find a superstar model, but um I don't I guess I'm like open to additional drum beat

14:31having me go. Yeah. Okay. He's he's not he doesn't do a lot, but he doesn't do everything, but he he might be in a good

14:38enough situation. Um and I'm just putting him in he would he would move up a tier if he'd been pick 100. Yeah.

14:46>> So, like some of it is draft capital.

14:48>> Um, and one way I try to think through this stuff I think it can be a helpful framework is like, okay,

14:55>> this dude's having an incredible off season such that we could view him as a third round pick instead of a fifth

15:02round pick like that. What does that do?

15:05Does he does he how much does he move up at that point? And >> he moves up a little. you know, he's not

15:11I don't I don't think he's a great he'd be in a he'd move up another tier if he was the 64th pick. So, he'd be like a

15:17third round rookie pick type guy.

15:19>> And that's a better that's like where Pat Bryant was last year. Um that's where Khalil Shakir actually, you know,

15:27was Jaylen Null was in that range last year. So, it's still Isaac Tesla.

15:35Um so, yeah. Yeah, I mean it's not like a his profile is never going to be super bullish, but um >> you could talk yourself into for sure

15:45him being like >> a guy worth taking a little bit of and then maybe >> taking a decent amount of if like we got

15:54a lot more bullish sentiment out of camp and and he's looking like a a guy who's going to have a real role early in the

16:00season. Like if I wouldn't >> Yeah.

16:03>> I'm just not confident enough in the prospect profile stuff for year one that I would write that off if we if we

16:11did get that.

16:13>> Yeah, that makes sense. And yeah, the for sure the risk like this is still firmly a guy where it could be a zero.

16:23So I get um wanting to be a little bit hesitant on it. I think it would be awesome if we got preseason action in in

16:31the next couple weeks where he's at least, you know, mixing with the starters in a in a meaningful way. Um, that would be awesome to see. And yeah,

16:40I think just to be clear on like the I know I jumped into like talking about Rashi Rice. I I obviously didn't mean

16:45that like he could dust Rasheed Rice. I think that's very very low on the range.

16:50>> Well, you have charts for this week. Um there's a mystery player that [laughter] uh and then Cyrus Allen.

16:57>> Yeah. Uh yeah. Number of uh touchdowns are freshman year against Conference USA opponents. Uh Cyrus Allen way more than she now.

17:08Um, but what I do mean is like I I I think what I'm trying to communicate is like when you look at a traditional wide

17:14wide receiver one um Garrett Wilson, Justin Jefferson, whoever, you can kind of write their 25% 30% target share like

17:25in in pen like they they are just going to get that that target share. They're an unreal wide receiver. Like you can

17:31add in competition and yes, it'll it'll change it on the margins. They can fluctuate a little bit, but it's not going to have a huge impact.

17:38>> CD Lamb had George Pickkins arrive and is still a clear number one wide receiver. Like that dude is a real

17:44number one wide receiver.

17:46>> Exactly. Yeah. And like Rasheed Rice, I kind of view it as like if you threw real wide receivers into the mix, his

17:53whatever 30% target share would take a massive hit in a way that like a Justin Jefferson would not. So, I'm not saying

18:00Rashi Rice goes to zero, but I think like he he is at more risk of target share loss to like weaker solid competition

18:09than the traditional wide receiver one is just like on a relative basis, I guess, is is what I'm trying to say. Um,

18:16>> so I I could see someone like Allen emerging um in this in this offense. But anyways, we can move on from Allen. Any other I

18:26know you mentioned some other rookies.

18:27Was there a guy you wanted to spotlight?

18:29Denzel Boston, Jacobe Lane, any any of those guys uh catch your eye this week?

18:34>> Yeah, I think Boston and Lane are are guys that have moved up. I'm taking more of. Um I want to be, you know,

18:43I don't want to get caught up in hype to where I'm taking those guys at big price increases um if that materializes. But the way I

18:52like I like to be early on this stuff as much as I can be and then um if it if a

18:57price jumps then you know I need to reconsider how much I'm buying. Uh and maybe I'm still buying depending on it

19:04but it it probably be more more typically would be a running back where I'm like oh this this is like a whole

19:10different situation than I realized. Um and so I'm going to chase this running back up. At receiver it's less likely to

19:17be that. like we've always known there was opportunity in in Cleveland and in Baltimore if these guys can yeah can can

19:24have good summers and both of them look to be having good summers and so I'm more interested in both.

19:29>> But if Boston were to jump up uh you know into the 120s or something I think I'd be out I'm in in the 150s though. Uh

19:37I'm in in the 130s even. But uh yeah, so both guys I think are are pretty big targets right now. And then if we get

19:46like uh more bearish reports or just the bull reports start to dry up, I don't think I'm going to look back on my

19:56Jacobe Lane teams and especially my Boston teams and think like what was I thinking? You know, like obviously those guys might not do anything like they're

20:04they're rookies, but you know there is opportunity there. They're having good camps. They had decent enough draft capital. You know, it's a

20:13it's the type of play that uh isn't just a total scratchoff like just hoping for something like you know there there is a

20:22there's opportunity draft capital and and a good start to camp.

20:26>> Uh that's enough. I I want to I want to be drafting those guys. I want to be targeting them. Uh even if like two

20:32weeks from now I'm like, "Oh yeah, that I forgot that Lane had that good start to August," you know?

20:38>> Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense. I think for me, we talked about it a lot. I I am just like so out on on the Browns this

20:46year that I I struggle like I think this this is great news for Boston. Like if I played dynasty Leagues, I would be like

20:52ticking him up. I just could see it going like the way of maybe like Nico Collins rookie year is like kind of an

20:59interesting one where like people watching the tape were like, "Oh yeah, he was doing some interesting things in Houston, but it didn't show up in the

21:06stat sheet because it was Davis Mills and that whole team was a disaster."

21:09Like I I just kind of get that vibe out of Cleveland with this quarterback competition that it's going to be a real

21:15struggle. Uh so that that's but that that's just like a team environment specific point. I I do agree that um it

21:24yeah I think it's like legit good news uh good buzz coming out of Cleveland.

21:29And then yeah, Lane is the one I think I'm like moving up a little bit more in my my mental model of of where you

21:34should take these guys. Um, I mean it seems seems clear so far that he's kind of separated from the Serats, um, the

21:43Devontes Walker, whoever else they have there. I mean, we we'll see more once we actually get the preseason snaps. I don't want to say that definitively, but

21:50that is like the assumption now that >> So, Rod's been coming off a minor injury that that he I think >> I don't know even when he suffered it,

21:58but they were saying he's coming back from something and hadn't looked really as explosive. And so it is possible that like I I think it's very possible

22:06actually that in a couple weeks the story is not lane. It could be sat.

22:12It could be Yeah. And lane could also sort of fall off like this happens all the time where guys have like really

22:16great starts to camp and then they kind of disappear a little bit.

22:21>> Um so and maybe you know they put more on guys plates. They try them in different roles. Defenders start to

22:28understand they have like only a couple moves or something >> you know. Uh [laughter] so it c it could ultimately kind of

22:36disappear, but uh man, the opportunity here is awesome. And like if it doesn't disappear, like he just should not be an

22:4418th round pick. Like that's kind of the way to think about too. Like what happens if this doesn't die down?

22:49>> What what is he worth? It's >> like I don't know like a 11th 12th round pick. you're talking about like

22:55potentially the number two wide receiver by the end of the season on the on the Ravens and and a real role in three wide

23:02receiver sets to start the year kind of thing.

23:05>> That would be pretty awesome. So yeah, I mean I I want to while there's a chance of getting that for free, I want to I

23:11want to be in on that.

23:12>> Yeah, I've even been in on like pretty in on Baitman as an 18th round pick and I think I'm going to mix in, you know,

23:19more more Lane and then we'll see on on Sat maybe he gets good news going forward. But yeah, it's just it's so

23:25free for a wide receiver 2, wide receiver three. It's not like Mark Andrews is some locked in 20% target share guy anymore either. He's he's had

23:35some pretty big drop offs the past couple seasons. So there is again I I feel similar to the Ravens as I feel

23:42about the Chiefs. Like huge opportunity for a guy to emerge here. Um so yeah, I'm I'm pretty in on on Lane. Um, the

23:50other one I I I think I I'm just like obsessed with Marshon Lloyd, so I got to bring him up on every show.

23:57>> Let's talk about him.

23:58>> Yeah, he he's a guy I mean I' I've been hammering him for a while. I I feel like I kind of realized like it maybe was

24:07dumb to be doing like two months ago, but I couldn't stop myself. Now I actually feel like I it it ended up

24:12being smart. Uh whether that was skill or luck, I don't know. But [laughter] uh reports on him have been good.

24:20>> It's like you you like walked into the you're you like [laughter] >> you just like happened to show up at

24:27this awesome spot >> and then like other people like finally found like Sam, how'd you know about this place? Like you were so early. Oh,

24:34just just uh yeah, I've read about it.

24:36It definitely came on purpose.

24:38I was on like I was on like a hiking trail and there was like a like a a shortcut that was like you know closed

24:44under a pair and I was like I don't know it looked it looks pretty cool like let me let me see how it works out [snorts]

24:50and uh yeah it was fine. It was just minor maintenance ended up surviving >> things are like crashing behind you >> exactly

25:00>> there's a landmine you just barely don't step on >> barely miss it.

25:05>> Yeah. Um, yeah. So, that that seems to have worked out so far with Lloyd. I'm, you know, I'm refreshing the underdog

25:11notifications right now. I'm waiting to see his hamstring injury that just popped up, but it's still seems still seems safe for now on Lloyd. Uh, but

25:19yeah, Jacobs, real news, Jacobs is not practicing with um, man, was it a leg strain? Sorry, I need to look this up

25:26now.

25:27>> Pretty minor. Yeah.

25:28>> Yeah, some something minor. Nothing super serious but >> no no no nothing nothing super serious but um he did b it was so groin issues I

25:37believe he was dealing with groin issues last year down the stretch when he slowed down anyways could could be nothing we these minor injuries are like

25:46nothing to overreact to but more I think it's more about less about Jacobs and more about like Lloyd being healthy and

25:53getting positive buzz out of camp I mean finally people are not you know telling me that Chris Brooks is going to be the

26:00RB2 in Green Bay. So, yeah, I I think Lloyd is like one of the highest upside um running back twos at on the board,

26:08especially at cost. So, I I'm pretty pretty all over him where he goes. What are your thoughts on like where he

26:15stands if Jacobs isn't suspended and doesn't get hurt this year? Do you see some standalone value for him? I

26:24>> I I do. Um, I mean, I think again it it's tough to project based on what happened for

26:34the first two years of his career, but I think this was a guy that in his one ever healthy game in his career, he, you

26:44know, got six touches. Um, they were involving him sort of early in his rookie season. I think the plan was always to have a bit of a committee with

26:52him and Jacobs. I think like stylistically they do different things that are interesting with Jacobs being more of the between the tackles grinder.

27:00Um Lloyd being a more explosive uh guy you can get in space and catch the ball a little bit as well. So yeah man like I

27:07I stare at the running back like to give comparisons in ADP like I mean Woody Marks, Tai Spears, um Algier, Tank Bsby,

27:19those guys are all going in the 150s. I think Marshon Lloyd could match those guys on a standalone value basis.

27:27>> Marks I'm skeptical of but >> yeah I think Alier is gonna get played too much to begin the year >> um

27:36>> in a way that we'll find very frustrating.

27:38>> What about big maybe Bsby is aby better one right? Um, and we've just seen more evidence of Bsby being the RB2 there,

27:49but we have zero evidence of Bigsby having standalone value. He had literally zero last year and I think we're >> I know I'm pretty skeptical of the like

27:58Bigs like having this great camp. He's definitely going to play a bunch this year. Like, they're going to take Saquon Barkley off for Bsby. I don't think so.

28:06>> Yeah, maybe.

28:08>> But also, I don't think so. [laughter] >> Yeah. And like I don't know the thing with Lloyd, right, is like

28:17he's been extremely injuryprone. Like we've seen guys like this wash out of the league like Cadarius Tony. Although that was also off the field stuff and

28:24attitude stuff with Tony if we're being honest. But it was a little bit of just like literally every week he has a new

28:29hamstring injury. But none of the injuries that Lloyd have had are like it's not like multi- ligament meniscus damage ACL tears. It's

28:40not like he's coming off an Achilles tear. Like he was coming off like appendicitis and like a bunch of like hamstring strains. Like

28:48if he did get it fixed, like I don't know if we should view him as like structurally injuryrone.

28:54Like a lot of guys are injuryprone and have that reputation and then they're just like not. And and I wonder if

28:59looking back on it, Lloyd could end up just being one of those guys. Um but we we'll have to see.

29:05>> I mean that would be awesome. It would be really fun for him to be something.

29:10Um, I I've been taking some of them, too. I mean, I think he's a good pick.

29:13We're ahead of ADP. I'm at 6% Lloyd, so not like jamming him, but >> uh I didn't take him like at all for a

29:22while and, you know, I've been taking him more recently. We're We had 179 >> in the ranks, the underdog ranks, which

29:30is about 10 picks ahead of ADP. Um, so yeah, I think he's a good pick. I think with it's been interesting because there

29:39I'm less I mean every day that passes Jacobs is less likely to get some big suspension.

29:46I think we don't it could drop you know that they're they've completed this investigation is getting charged blah blah blah. You know it could it could go

29:55that way. Obviously I don't know about how those details are going to play out one way or another. But at the same time that that has probably

30:04decreased, Lloyd's potential to have a role within the offense while Jacobs is there seems to be increasing. And so I'm kind of

30:12like, but I'm sort of in, you know, you that was one of his bigger outs, the Jacobs suspension to like really really

30:22having some some value and then potentially earning uh standalone value after Jacobs comes back by playing well when he was out.

30:32I and I I don't know where do you have kind of a we're just guessing but but are you thinking through the Jacob suspension

30:41risk any differently than you were a month ago?

30:44>> I'm I agree with you that I think it's gone down. Um, but I think it's man, it's it's like I'm always like it's so

30:54impossible to quantify these things, but like if I was to throw like a percent on it, like I think it's like in the five

31:00to 15% range that he gets a a meaningful suspension and maybe only like a 3%

31:10chance that it's like a seasonl long thing or something like that, right?

31:15like it's much more likely it's a shorter thing than a meaningful thing.

31:18But yeah, I I just think like bigger picture like I I feel like sometimes like this year we've like lost our ability to to

31:28dream on like these these running back takeovers happening to these >> Have you not seen Jonathan?

31:36>> Yeah. Okay, we're dreaming on that.

31:38We're [laughter] dreaming on that one for sure. Um, Trevion Henderson is currently repping as the RB2 and going two rounds ahead of the starter.

31:47>> Yeah, exactly.

31:48>> I'm exaggerating that a little bit.

31:49They're in a 50-50 split, but >> I think we're dreaming some. I I think we've lo I think >> we don't have as many profiles that are

31:57>> fun to dream on.

31:58>> Yes.

31:58>> Like Dylan Samson is >> a pretty clear like zero running back target, but he's on the Browns, you know? It's like how oh you're gonna your

32:09season's going to be about Dylan Samson.

32:11Like I just I literally just took him to Big Dog. Like I I'm good to take him.

32:15But man, it's not you know Woody Marks is a pass catcher number pass catching number two on a on an offense that looks

32:23like a big-time positive aggression candidate, but in part because they're replacing Woody Marks as their starting running back. Like >> yeah,

32:29>> you know, it's it's somewhat about the profiles that that we, you know, are being asked to dream on. But Lloyd, I

32:36mean, I do agree like Lloyd has from an upside perspective. He's a big back.

32:43He's fast. He was long time ago now drafted in the third round, but they this was a guy they they had some hopes

32:50for. And there's no one else besides Jacobs there. Like he he's clearly got a path to being the number two guy.

33:00>> Yeah. Yeah. And this like this is where you can also get into like the Packers are not a franchise that brings in

33:06veteran players. Like name the last veteran wide receiver or you know that that the Packers have signed. Obviously they brought in Jacobs that that is

33:15maybe a bit of an exception over the past years, but this is not a team that very frequently invests in like dusty

33:21veterans to fill holes. They usually fill it with like their younger players that they drafted. So, right I compared to another team, I'd be more surprised

33:30if this is a team that's like the the James Connor or the Naji Harris or the whoever >> team.

33:36>> They could be, but it would represent Lloyd failing.

33:39>> Yeah, it represent Lloyd failing. And it could also be Chris Books is a fullback and we'd literally need uh like some

33:46other running back on the roster besides Marshon Lloyd type type thing. So yeah, I I um you have to like anytime a player

33:55misses basically two full years of NFL action and never plays like the odds of them being a contributor so low. But I I

34:03think to your point like what are the other options? There's been a lack of running back talent that came into the

34:08league last year because of the weak rookie class. Like I think some of the Jaden Blue is like another one of these

34:13guys where like >> I think like >> it is okay to dream a little bit on these like year two or year three guys

34:20that haven't flashed much when the alternatives are Phil Mafa and Chris Brooks. Like let's let's be serious here guys. Like >> come on.

34:29>> Yeah.

34:30>> Well, where are you at on where you stand right now on Javvante and Jacobs?

34:33Because those >> both Blue is getting a little bit more >> buzz. Um, you know, he had a good spring, pretty good training camp. It

34:43does seem kind of like the Cowboys really want blue to be a thing more than like he's having an incredible camp,

34:53>> but that's not necessarily like I'd like I want both. I want the team to be in and the guy to be doing really well. It

35:01seems like Blue's doing fine, but the team's ready to have more dynamic uh you know, more dynamic element out of the

35:08back field, especially as a receiver.

35:10So, it's intriguing, but it's not like he's really challenging Javvante for the lead back role or anything. And then Lloyd is similar where it's like it's

35:19not like he's challenging Jacobs, but they seem like maybe they found the number two guy. And then you're looking at two backs who are pretty dead zone,

35:26but in in this baseball landscape, I am taking both guys. Uh especially Jacobs in the fourth. Jacobs in the fourth has

35:34been like a thing I'm doing right now.

35:36Javvante at the three four turn. I also am drafting but it does I mean it's a click I never like >> never like warmed my heart

35:45>> but it's I am getting a little bit more nervous about it with with blue and of course with Lloyd on the Jacob side.

35:53>> Yep. Yeah.

35:56that they're all tough for me. Like Javvante, Javvante I've been taking if he falls a little bit past ADP, it sounds like I'm

36:04probably a little bit lower on him than you are just because, man, like zooming out, this was a guy that like we weren't

36:13sure was worthy of a 12th round pick last year when the alternatives were my Sanders and, you know, a rookie in Jaden

36:21Blue. And obviously we're way wrong about that. We should have been higher on Javvante, but that feels like the ultimate Denzo. I mean, again, fast

36:30forward two years back and he couldn't, you know, make a meaningful contribution next to guys like Jal Mccclaclin, Tyler Bedet,

36:41etc.

36:43I I think also he he is still very limited in some facets of the game. like as a receiver. He's big enough to be on

36:49the field in in pass pro and like he can catch the ball, but he's like so unexplosive after the catch that

36:55naturally you would think he might lose some of that role, too. So, man, I I've struggled I've struggled with both. I think I think with Jacobs

37:03for me, it's like more about the tail downside risk of the suspension that is keeping me off of him. But um I I don't

37:12disagree that like if he is just healthy and doesn't get suspended like that ADP of 41 is just like a good value. And

37:21maybe if I was doing like a higher higher volume of drafts like you are, I would just like come around to that

37:26mindset of like hey I get it in 5% of the time you get a zero for Josh Jacobs, but that's so low that like you just got

37:33to take him and play for the 95% of other scenarios and it's it's going to be fine, right? Um, so >> of the two, Jacobs is the one I I you

37:42know, when I think about like, okay, how does this work? Javvante, it's like, okay, it works because it was hard to

37:48find running back production later and he gave me enough and and I hit awesome wide receivers and blah blah blah.

37:54>> Jacobs, I'm like, uh, because he scored like he should have been drafted in the 208 and I got him at the 408. [laughter]

38:03>> You know, it's just like simpler.

38:05It's just like he's, you know, >> I would I would bet on Jacobs to outscore Javvante if they both play 17

38:11games and um he's going where he is because he might not play 17 games, but it seems more and more likely that that

38:18he will even though it's probably never going to be 100% uh until the season's over. And he did it.

38:25>> Yep. And they were both these guys just looking at PPR points because it's what I have pulled up right now. It might be

38:30even a little bit better for these guys in half PPR, but they were, you know, wide receiver 12 or sorry, running back

38:3512, running back 13 last year in PPR points per game, you know, right on that running back one two two border, which

38:43is if you get that that value in in the third and and fourth round, um that that's huge. I do feel like that is like

38:53somewhat close to their ceiling unless they just smash from a a touchdown department which on the Cowboys and Packers is is possible right

39:04>> from a total season perspective I think you're right but from like you know >> individual week yeah >> individual week

39:11>> in terms of what they actually do individual week like there's going to be there's gonna be those games with like

39:15they're just in a sweet setup they're going against like this rushfunnel defense you team's favored by seven points. You're like, "This dude's gonna

39:26c he's, you know, he's like going super high in the the dailies. He's projected super well in DFS." Like that kind of

39:32thing. Like, >> yeah, >> both guys have a pretty good pretty good upside to have, you know, those types of games in their range this year, which

39:40is, you know, you're going to deliver on some of those and you're going to deliver in some spots where you didn't

39:45think you'd deliver. But it's like uh both are very much more like baseball picks to me. But that's partly yeah the

39:53reason like you get all that stuff over the course of the year where they they don't hit they're not just like straight

39:59up studs that you're like week in week out this is my starting RB1.

40:06>> Yeah.

40:07>> You know I'm skeptical of that too. But as part of a four, maybe five, but but maybe just four team build,

40:17they like kind of hold down one of those spots. I I think they they're much more helpful that way.

40:24>> Yeah, I I think those are those are good points. I think you you sold me on mixing them in a little bit more. I

40:30think I do probably just need to adjust that. Hey, it's a month before the season. Jacobs is still not suspended.

40:35Um it it it's not worth being so scared of him at this point. Um yeah, Jacobs is 28 and appeared to be fading late last

40:45season and legal add legal risk and the potential that Lloyd is just better. I'm good. I get that. I think it's more it's

40:51more like reddrafts where I'm going to swing for the fences a little bit more.

40:57>> Yeah. Like if it's like, oh, you you're going to take uh you have a ch chance to take like Luther Burton or Josh Jacobs

41:03in reddraft, I might take Burden. In baseball, I think I'm taking Jacobs as as boring as that is. Uh but we simmed

41:10it out and that's what it told me to do.

41:11And I'm pretty skeptical of him. So, uh you know, like like I told I told the computer everything I think about how

41:21Jacobs is bad and it's like you should probably take my head with a burger, dude. [laughter] Yeah, >> just just just do it. Don't don't think

41:29about it too much. Don't uh you're not going to enjoy it. Obviously, >> you won't enjoy it and we don't have

41:34enjoyment. That would be a potential dial we could put on uh like enjoy enjoyment.

41:39>> Yeah.

41:40>> Yeah. Like it's kind of a you're you know, we're all going to lose anyways meter. You might as well enjoy it, you

41:45know, type of thing. If you're if you're just doing to the Sims for how good the pick is going to feel when you make it,

41:50you know, Jacobs and Javvante go way way way down in in those, >> right? Way down.

41:56>> Yeah. A Sim is only as good as the inputs. Of course, the inputs are are massive, but I that's where like when

42:01we're doing we're getting these hyperfragile um type of builds. Like that is not how I like the inputs that I'm making I

42:09wouldn't expect to lead me toward take running backs early. So that's where I actually trust it more, but that's what I'm getting.

42:19>> Yep. Um, cool. La last thing we can we can hop in and draft if you want. The um only other topic I thought was like

42:27interesting to this isn't like as recent news, but the topic of like has the market reacted enough to the Ricky Pierol injury. I found myself like still

42:38being quite a bit higher on both dribbling and Debo than what the ADPs have adjusted to and even KD a little

42:46bit. I feel like KD hasn't budged and like I feel like he should have gone up a little bit as well with this news. So,

42:52I'm curious if you're you're with me on that. Like if I was just looking again, I don't make my own rankings, but I kind

42:58of kind of have them in my head when I'm drafting. Um, I if I just drafted by my rankings every time, I would get like so

43:05much Debo and and Stribbling right now.

43:08I'm curious if you you're >> more Debo for for me. I think >> Okay.

43:13>> Stribbling uh I you know, we've talked about how we we're both open to to the idea that he could be plenty good to pay off his ADP,

43:22but the ADP's risen substantially now.

43:24Um when I was really hammering him, he's more like in the 180s or the 170s. He's at 143 now. Um, which I get. I mean,

43:34we're still three spots ahead of ADP on him in the rankings, but we're uh we're quite a bit ahead of ADP on Debo. Uh, we

43:42have him at 124, so that's still about 10 picks ahead of ADP.

43:47>> Um, and so he's the one that I think >> like Debo could have a pretty nice role right out of the gate. He didn't look

43:59great last year, but he also wasn't horrible. And >> yeah, you saw, >> you know, he was playing for Cliff, like

44:08Cliff Kingsbury was doing the here's my version of the Debo role. It's like, h I prefer Shanahan's version. [laughter] >> Yeah, it's like a really bad sequel to a

44:18movie.

44:19>> Yeah, it's a really bad sequel. [gasps] Yeah, it's like a new director came in >> and was like, let let me show you how

44:25this film franchise is supposed to work.

44:27They're like, "Uh, >> we like the old guy." So, >> yeah. It's like you're you you're you're watching uh True Detective and you just

44:34finished season one. You're like, "Man, that was awesome. Can't wait for season two." And you turn on, you're like, "What what's going on?"

44:41>> Cliff Kingsbury is is Night Country Kyle Shanahan. [laughter] >> Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.

44:48>> Yeah, for sure.

44:50>> Yeah. So now we're back we're back we're back to the OG's here and I think he could I think he could matter quickly.

44:59Um I think he could he could you know contribute like a good amount of weeks.

45:04Um I don't think he's like so washed he's kind of a a pure chaperone where he has to fall off by the end of the year.

45:10Like I think dribbling could suck. I know he's had a good camp but like they didn't produce a ton in college. Like he

45:16could be bad. Evans could get hurt. You know the Did you see this? The substation account on Twitter.

45:24>> Yeah. Yeah.

45:25>> The the 49ers just listed a bunch of injured players and it quote tweeted nom nom nom. [laughter] >> Yeah, I saw that.

45:33>> Substation is eating right now.

45:34>> Substation is eating and may continue to eat. So, um, you know, if McCaffrey missed time, Debo would probably get like some McAffreyesque stuff out of the

45:44backfield like he used to and it won't be like as fun and cool as it used to be. But he's got he's got outs to, you

45:50know, really having some some nice stretches of production. Um, basically like as long as as Pertie stays healthy, then I think Debo is going to score

45:59pretty well. So, he's not like some incredible smash where he goes, but he's I think he's just underpriced. The production is is underpriced. have kind

46:07of a like he's not I just don't think he's so washed that he's not going to be able to to deliver anything and they

46:14they're not deep enough really even for like what does that look like? Does that is that Demarcus Robinson's playing ahead of him? Like come on. I'm not he'd

46:21have to be >> he'd have to be injured I think for that really to be happening. Like he's nursing an injury or something.

46:28>> Yeah.

46:29Yeah, I agree. And we've seen like I I do like to look at contract value to like see, hey, what does what does the

46:38NFL think of these guys versus other guys who got got similar contracts? I mean it's definitely concerning he got less guaranteed money than um Kendrick

46:47Bourne, Maris Brown, Jan Dodson, Taekwon Thornton. Like you don't love to see that, but like the familiarity with the system and the fact that he he is a bit

46:58of an archetype of a wide receiver where like Debo being on the field does not clear out space for anyone else. It does

47:05not help the offense in in a nonfantasy way. It purely helps the offense in a fantasy way.

47:12>> Um like Right. So >> I think it could it could work out for him. And yeah, I think he's like this is

47:19probably another best baseball manager.

47:20Like I would say you're you're drafting FFPC main event team right now. Like hammer dribbling over Debo. I I don't think it's that close.

47:29Uh best I think I prefer Debo by a little, but I also think it's it's like fairly close. Um >> yeah, I'm I'm uh I'm good with that kind

47:41of reddraft versus versus best baseball um way of thinking on it for sure. Uh, I think they're actually close in managed,

47:51but okay.

47:52>> That that depends a little bit on like what that team needed. Um, >> yeah, sure. Yeah. Yeah.

47:58>> So, >> he could be Yeah. Debo he could be like a the way Keenan Allen to start the season last year and the Chargers was

48:05like a great asset to have on your team and managed. It did. It fizzled out, right? But if you need something like

48:10that, >> um, >> that's a great comp. That's a great comp. Yeah. you're like, you know, >> if you don't need that kind of guy, then

48:16take the swing for the fences with Stribbling.

48:19>> Um, but Stribbling does have some roster clogger, you know, >> type of where he just never hits the threshold that you're actually starting

48:26him. So, >> um, but yeah, generally I do prefer I like Debo more in baseball than in manage for sure.

48:33>> Yep.

48:34>> Uh, all right, let's jump into drafts and then any other big time drum beats. What about the Washington backfield? That

48:41That's one >> Oh, yeah. I've been thinking about a lot recently.

48:46>> Yeah, I've been I've been kind of JCM over Rashad White. Um >> Okay.

48:51>> Through throughout >> going that way, too.

48:54>> Yeah.

48:56I I kind of think we're like underrating like how good JCM's rookie year was because like the expectations got all like [ __ ] up and out of whack because

49:08of how much he rose. like you know he rose to being like a sixth or seventh round pick. It kind of became a meme but

49:14like ultimately zooming way out this is a guy day three pick who ran for what 800 yards or something as a rookie was

49:23was quite efficient doing it. It's not like this was some awesome team environment. This was like the Marcus Mariota um commanders for for most of

49:31the season, right?

49:33>> Um it wasn't it wasn't a it wasn't the JJ McCarthy show, right? it wasn't amazing and I thought he he flashed um a

49:41as a pure runner. Uh the camp hype of like, hey, they're at least considering like involving him in the receiving game

49:48a little bit. Um I just think he could be like way way way better than Rashad White as a rusher and that could be what

49:57matters in this backfield in fantasy. um the goal line like kind of similar to like I know this is is just like you

50:06knowing uniforms but like there was the whole like Brian Robinson versus like Antonio Gibson debate and it was like oh Gibson's like the better receiver and

50:14he's like can do more he has more of the all-around skill set. It's like okay Brian Robinson's just the way better

50:18runner he got all the fantasy points because he got all the touchdowns and like that's kind of what mattered in best ball. That's like a little bit how

50:25I view the the JCM vers Rashad White thing. And um the downside risk of like Rashad White being like completely phased out of the offense. I think

50:35that's unlikely, but I think it's just like a little bit higher with some of the other pieces they have there and

50:40like how bad I think Rashad White is >> as a talent. So I I'm JCM over over White, but curious what you think.

50:49>> I am too. And uh have been kind of like waiting a little bit until I really try to pack bags on on any of those guys.

50:59Um, but I've gotten to the point where I'd like to really start packing JCM bags. Um, and and make sure I'm overweight on him

51:07because I think he McNichols looks like he's probably the RB3 right now. And I think that's pretty bullish for JCM. uh

51:16compared if it was Kron, it still could be Kron, but I think it seems like the team like realizing that the

51:28it has been uh a little bit hard to interpret I think or like you could kind of make cases either way like

51:35I know from uh doing the show with Greg Bros on Mondays like he's he's been pretty out on Bill to this point. I'm

51:41curious where he'll I'm you know I'm sure we'll talk about it on Monday but >> um you know there's been like a lot of

51:46quotes that could be bullish but could be bearish like you're trying to you're like we really want more out of this guy in the

51:53passing game. Is that is that good because they want to play him more or is it bad because he sucks at catching the

51:57ball and didn't really do that in college and probably won't get better at that you know so there's got to be both ways to play it.

52:03If if it's not gonna be Katron, you know, challenging him in a big way in camp, then I think he's he looks more

52:11locked in at least to the early down rushing stuff to start the year. I assume we're going to go Jefferson here

52:17and >> yeah. Yeah, that that's fine with me. I I do think we can um Yeah, not to cut off the the JCM uh debate, but I the

52:28Yeah, I think I guess closing it out there, like I don't know. I view that. I view that more as Oh, wait. Do we get

52:34Cook back?

52:35>> We got Cook back.

52:37>> Oh, let's go.

52:38>> Jefferson Cook. That's pretty fun.

52:39>> Let's go.

52:41>> Are you uh spooked at all by the the Vikings like quarterback competition?

52:47Like they're still pretending that's >> that's a thing. You're not spooked by that at all?

52:50>> I'm not spooked by that at all.

52:52>> Okay. I uh the the the Murray stuff over the last few days has been like, "Yeah, it's Murray, dude." [laughter]

53:02There was a bunch of >> stuff before that where I think the first couple days people were were saying like, "I don't know. McCarthy

53:10looks pretty good."

53:11>> Um Murray doesn't really have it. It's like, dude, I mean, McCarthy is going to be out of the league in two years. Like, give me a

53:19break. Murray's Murray's an NFL quarterback. He's not a great NFL quarterback, but he's an NFL level quarterback and he's in a new offense.

53:28Like maybe he's not absolutely dusting the guy, you know, to start camp, but uh if it was we were to this point and it

53:36was like, yeah, I can't tell the difference between who's out there, I would start to care. But that's not what's happening now. It's been it's

53:43been pretty >> from what I've seen, it has shifted hard to Murray, >> and that is not a surprise.

53:51>> Yeah.

53:52I just I thought this report was this was like the report that was circulating from uh Will Regatz uh Minnesota >> beat reporter said Kyler Murray looked

54:02every bit like the player the Vikings pursued in free agency >> and then I'm just like so so the guy that was on a minimum

54:12contract and like any amount of money you paid him his his old team is is you know comes out of the

54:19like that >> did he is that parenthesis He's derogatory or parenthesis complimentary.

54:24>> Exactly. Yeah. Like that's what I was like I mean >> I took it as parenthesis complimentary because they did pursue him. In fact,

54:30>> no, I think it was that's how it was widely interpreted but but it was just kind of a funny >> You took it as parenthesis derogatory.

54:36>> No, I took it as parenthesis like that doesn't mean anything to me like like he's on a league minimum contract.

54:44Uh I don't know.

54:45>> Well, he's got he's got the off the the offset stuff, right?

54:49>> Yeah, exactly. the offset guys.

54:51>> Yeah.

54:52>> Yeah.

54:53>> But which effectively like with the offset guys, it's just like really hard to interpret like what their value is, right? Because like there's no in like

55:01you don't you don't get like a price of what like the team actually would have paid for them. So that's where it's just

55:05like question mark for me of what that means. But yeah, no, he's he's going to I guess my only thought is like he's

55:10clearly going to be the starter. I don't doubt that. But like the fact that they're still like I'm just like why why

55:16don't they just name him the starter by now? That's what I don't understand.

55:19What is the point of this quarterback competition? I don't really get it.

55:24>> I don't know. It's whatever. It's It's psychological with this with Okonnell and >> Yeah.

55:29>> and McCarthy. It's It's that whole whatever is going on there. I don't know. Maybe he's like nervous about like nine, you know, what happens if nine

55:38gets loose on the in the locker room?

55:40Like you gota you got to keep nine bottled up, you know?

55:43>> Got to keep nine keep nine happy.

55:51Oh man.

55:51>> Honestly, that makes as much sense to me as anything else. Uh, all right. We got Javvante Higgins, ETN, Jacobs, Waddle,

55:59top of the sidekick, ETN or uh Higgins top by ADP. Your guy, what jumps out?

56:07>> Uh, I'd rather do T. Higgins than Javvante. If if you're okay with that, >> that is that is that is bearish for

56:14Javante. [laughter] Javvante. I really come back from that.

56:19>> Someone please take Javvante off. Thank God.

56:21>> Javvante's gone. But ETN, Jacobs, Waddle, >> yeah, are at the top.

56:25>> ETN ETN I'm good with. Um, yeah, let's let's do ETN because if you don't take a running back here, >> it gets kind of brutal usually. Um,

56:35>> what about Jacobs? Are you >> I'm more ETN if honest. Yeah.

56:40>> Well, so is the sidekick, so we'll go with that. Yeah, trust us. Yeah, it's your I mean, it's your own.

56:44>> I know. I trust the psychic.

56:46>> Yeah, trust trust the sidekicks. Uh I Speaking of the ETN stuff, I I kind of think this like Chimera stuff is like

56:55the stupidest >> like the stupidest news of all time.

57:00Like it was so obvious he was going to be on the team for a while and then just like when it officially happened everyone's

57:09like oh no like Alvin >> Kam dude it's like >> everyone fully panicked.

57:17>> I know >> it's Alvin Camra. The dude is dust.

57:20>> Yeah he's done.

57:21>> So dust and people like >> James Cook is a great example. another guy on our roster like he plays like 45

57:28to 55% of the snaps and they use like a three running back rotation where a bunch of other guys get two other guys

57:35get playing time and it every unless you're Christian McAffrey, Ashton Genty, Jonathan Taylor, I mean this year, you know, Bejian and Gibbs, but not even

57:46Bejon and Gibbs in prior seasons. Unless you're one of those guys, every running back has a running back, too, that mixes

57:51in for snaps. Just just because his name is Alvin Chimera and he's like, you know, h has that name brand value, like

57:59I think people are way way overrating the impact on ETN. Um, so yeah, I think ETN's a good good pick in

58:08the fourth.

58:09>> I think he's a good pick in the fourth.

58:10I I I want like a little bit of a discount, I guess. Or like at this point I'm maybe I'm just like I'm used to the

58:17discount and I think I deserve it.

58:19>> Yeah. Yeah. Or like I didn't think he was like Yeah. I didn't think he was like a great pick in the mid30.

58:24>> That's kind of what it is. I wasn't really taking >> Yeah.

58:26>> Yeah. Yeah. I just think it's stupid the market reacted this way and now I'm like okay like now I think he's a good pick

58:32but I don't get the reaction to the news is what I Yeah.

58:35>> I don't either. I think it's it's been kind of strange and then it's been amplified by them uh you know in New

58:42Orleans they they keep talking about how they have uh two lead backs and you know both both both all that stuff and

58:51>> I'm just fading that. I I I really am like it's Alvin Chimera was >> super inefficient as a runner last year

58:59again like he's just been so inefficient uh recently and then his receiving which had been okay dropped off a cliff last year he was he was well below one

59:10yard per out run and that's like been the thing that he kind of was was still holding on. Uh yeah dropped to 0.78

59:18after 1.75 the year before. So, we just we've seen him crater in efficiency.

59:23He's an older back. The team made him take a pay cut. Like the remember the reason that we weren't sure if he was

59:28going to play is because they were like insisting he take a pay cut.

59:32>> Yeah.

59:33>> It seems bad.

59:34>> Yeah. Yeah. Like they were ready they were ready to cut him for no reason.

59:38>> For nothing.

59:39>> If he didn't if he >> they weren't gonna save money.

59:41>> They weren't gonna save any money.

59:44>> Yeah.

59:46>> He's also >> Bucky would have been a good pick.

59:48>> Yeah. Bucky would have been good. Um, I like I like Watson. We could also consider uh Tyson or Tate. Um,

59:58I'm pretty excited about I'm pretty excited about Watson, though. Yeah.

60:02>> Um, >> Tate is apparently Well, this guy's gonna draft Tate probably because he's doesn't have a receiver yet.

60:11>> Price I like too. I I didn't realize that uh the Sims were I've kind of I've come around pretty pretty big on Jarian

60:19Price. So I would I would like him if you want to go with with Tate. Um >> I'd rather go Tate

60:24>> Tate's had a really strong camp it sounds like. um like just the like this dude is a professional wide receiver but then also

60:33making like highlight plays and stuff and yeah I think I mean has the potential to be a clear number one by

60:40the end of the year especially uh I know it's on a cam word offense but they could end up throwing a lot so like make

60:47the volume usable.

60:49>> Last year there was volume and we couldn't do anything with it. What if there's volume and we can do something

60:53with it? So, >> yep.

60:57>> And we're we have way too Look at all these good offenses we have. We We have >> some rebounding Vikings. Yeah.

61:04>> This I mean there's not a single horrible offense on this team unless we take [laughter] take.

61:09>> Trust me, we'll load this thing up with we'll have a bunch of Jets on here before we're done. We'll have we'll have

61:15some Browns, you know. We'll find we'll find a way.

61:21Um, yeah, P price P price P price P price P price P price P price P price P price P price P price I'm I just think

61:24is like it's good he like they're not I was worried that it was going to be like just like firmly like George's like the starter and I I

61:35knew that was going to be fake but I'm kind of glad they're like not even like doing that whole thing and it's just

61:40like oh yeah Price is the first running back to take snaps with the with offense. Obviously Helani is like mixing and he's going to have a role, but um

61:48yeah, Price is just like kind of he's like the ultimate like wild card as a prospect. Like what do you do with a guy

61:55who was like the backup running back to um you know a superstar prospect and Jeremiah Love, but an NFL team still

62:03drafted in the first round. Like I think there's just there's huge error bars I think on who he could be as a player,

62:09but I actually think like the environment run out is like pretty awesome for him and the price of price is pretty low. So I I like him.

62:19>> Yeah, we're we're we moved him up recently. He's been kind of bouncing up, you know, in ADP. He he was in he shot

62:28up into the fifth kind of part of this where like Tutin Henderson Montgomery went um and then he dropped into the

62:35sixth uh and we're starting to get more bullish if you can get him in the early sixth depending on you know the build.

62:42He was he's right there would have been a fine pick but I think Tate a little bit better. But yeah, I mean it's like

62:48he was clearly in the mix there for us and >> someone I'm I'm happy to take in the sixth. I I I do think he can beat that

62:56ADP pretty handily. And um you know, even when Charban's back, like Charbanet is not great. You know, they just took him in the first round. Like if he's

63:06been showing well to that point, I I think that you know, he'll he'll retain that early down lead back role >> in all likelihood.

63:16>> Yeah. It's also I think like like I feel like people like talk about the Charbanet thing, but it's still like

63:22it's post ACL tear Charbanet that that could be a very different player than like Charbanet last year who was a huge

63:29blocker >> um to to Kenneth Walker's role. It it just could be different than it was last year. Um I like Dowel. I'm good with him

63:39here as a suggestion. Cororm I'm also fine with, but maybe maybe we do Dowel.

63:44>> Yeah, I like D too. There's been >> some talk of him being the RB1, but I'm skeptical the the source there. [laughter]

63:55>> It's not been ultra reliable.

63:57>> So, uh but you know, for this team, he's the RB1.

64:01>> I I like Metaf this. Yeah. Yeah, for sure.

64:06>> Yeah, we're like 10 picks past ADP. We have the the bet on the Steelers now. Uh mediocre offense, I'd say. not not total

64:15fresh [laughter] offense.

64:16>> Yeah, it'll be I at least like Rogers is or should be fantasy friendly in the way that like late career

64:27um Ben Rothllessberger was right where he's not taking sacks. He's not going to scram definitely not going to scramble.

64:33He's [laughter] every every is a pass attempt. I would bet on scrambles over like 30 plus yard targets. Like you

64:43I think number of scrambles maybe maybe even 20 [laughter] plus 20 plus yard like on uh like not throwaways not like

64:51just like heaves that go that you know are clearly just like kind of spiking the ball but long not counting those

64:58like there has to be a a player that gets attributed the target. I might take scram number of scrambles over a number

65:03of those because scrambles sometimes you just kind of happen to you, you know.

65:08Scrambles may might not be [laughter] your choice.

65:11>> Exactly. Yeah.

65:16>> Oh man.

65:19What should we talk about? Um, you know, the Aaron Rogers comments on Anthony Fouchy and the impact that has on his

65:26ADP. You want to you want to get into that? I just like that he's [laughter] like, "I'm gonna be an absolute coward."

65:31Like this guy I don't like. Just an absolute coward. I'm like, "Well, you're are you?" But you were also saying you're an absolute cow.

65:38>> Yeah. It was like he like knew he wanted to bring up Fouchy and he like there was no natural figure. There was no natural

65:45transition and it came to the end of his He's like I gota I'm >> I got to do it.

65:49>> She horning this in. Yeah. I got to get this in.

65:51>> Right.

65:52>> Um >> Yeah. It's like you're this the guy who like, you know, he can't not he's only got like the one thing he can bring up

65:59with everyone and we all just kind of take our take our turns getting getting blasted [laughter] by that >> that talking point. Yeah.

66:08>> Real fun at parties. Aaron Rogers.

66:10>> Yeah. No, I'm sure [laughter] he's I'm sure he's a good guy. I mean, he had the reunion with his family. Uh, you know,

66:15>> that's that was nice to see.

66:16>> That was good to see. Um, >> good for him. doesn't seem to have affected him in a positive way, but you

66:23know, I'm glad [laughter] >> it's not let's not get political here.

66:30Uh, [laughter] you know, we we already brought up uh the stribbling Israel comparison on the show last week. We don't you know, we don't need to

66:40>> thanks for bringing that back up. Yeah.

66:41>> Yeah. No, I thought we should resurface it. Um, we're definitely drafting Aaron Rogers in this team, too, by the way.

66:47>> I think we are. We don't have a quarterback yet, so >> there's no way we're not.

66:52>> It's looking It's looking that way. Um, we have uh Kyler Murray floating here and we have Jordan Mason floating here.

67:01I assume the Sims would like that pairing more if we like have a guy, you know, have one of them.

67:07>> Uh, I don't know if either jump out to you.

67:10>> Uh, >> me Kyler maybe. Yeah. Yeah, that's fine.

67:13I also would have been fine with I thought the top suggestion of of pits would have been >> Oh, pits. Pits is still the top. I was

67:19wrong.

67:19>> Yeah.

67:19>> Bad gambit by me.

67:21>> Uh, love is also here though in the mix.

67:25>> Cool.

67:27Yeah, Pitts or Love is Yeah, Mason's interesting too, man. It's kind of a lot of solid options.

67:34>> I'm good with Pits here. He was He was top before he took Murray. Remains top.

67:38>> We have Yeah, we have quarterback stackouts later, too. Um, yeah. I think Pitts. I think Pitts.

67:45>> Yep.

67:48>> Yeah. Pitts is a guy that like I I was like pretty high on early in the offseason and he's just kind of like he

67:53kind of gets like lost in the in the wash for me where like I'm often I feel like I'm scrambling to get like a

68:00running back before they they fall off a cliff here or I'm scrambling to get like a quarterback here, right?

68:05>> So like I don't end up getting him as much but just like >> at face value I think he's he's he's a

68:10good pick. So, I'm I'm pretty into into pits this year.

68:16>> Yeah. Um I like pits fine, but it's similar to to what you were saying where um >> you're not always looking for that

68:27player there. Fannon is in that same mix a little bit for me. Uh, Fannon went off in the eighth and I'm just like

68:35I'm doing I'm like doing other stuff and then like fan like a Fannon value comes along and I'm like what do I drop what I

68:43was doing? I had this whole thing >> planned out. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, that's that's Yeah, and they're both it's they're both obviously dragged down by

68:51the like unstackability of them because there's no quarterback really to speak of with either of these guys. So, it's like that's what I feel like I'm always

69:00saying like, "Oh, how am I going to make the stacks work?" And I'm like, "Ah, like ah shoulders Sanders or Michael

69:06Penn like what am I what am I doing?

69:10>> Yeah, but I think for the team here.

69:14>> Yeah. Yeah, he's a good pick for the team." Yeah. Like I I I don't know. Like splits are always like a funny thing

69:20where it's like a lot of people are like, "Oh, Pitts is so overrated. He was like only good when London got hurt and

69:27he had like 40 points three weeks in a row and that makes him bad. It's like it's it's kind of cool when the tight

69:32end can [laughter] like take over the offense, you know, when someone gets hurt. Like not a lot of >> What was that about 40 points in a

69:39>> Yeah. [laughter] >> Can we just go back to that for a second?

69:43>> Yeah. Yeah. Can we Can we talk about that again? Yeah.

69:48>> Yeah, I'm with you. I mean, I think it is, you know, may maybe he is more of a guy who isn't going to crush unless

69:56Drake London goes down, but also he's in a different offense and he's in an offense that's >> usually had a tight ends uh be pretty

70:05productive. I mean, Stfans, not just Fannon, like Stfansky had David and Jooku as really productive for, you know, a couple years and like they used

70:14Injoku who wasn't I didn't really view him as kind of a screen type guy um until they did and they kind of fed him screens

70:24that one season. That was cool. Like what if we did that with Kyle Pittz?

70:27That could be fun. He's really athletic, >> you know? So, there's there's ways that just because that's how it went last

70:33year does not mean that's how it's going to go this year. And the fact that he was able to take advantage of that

70:37opportunity is a pretty good sign for how talented he is. Even though maybe he's not what we were hoping when he

70:42entered the league. Like the guy can play.

70:46>> Stribbling goes. Yep.

70:48>> Stribbling goes. Shakir here would be would be my uh Okay. But anything jump out to you?

70:54>> I might throw Shahed in just to give us the Darnold pick. The the next pick, but um yeah.

71:01>> Yeah.

71:03I'm I don't care that much if you want to go Shakir.

71:06>> I take Shakir.

71:08>> I can I'll have if Rashid Shahid has a good season. I'm you know investing.

71:12>> You're right though. The Sims are in your brain. Darnold immediately becomes the top pick.

71:16>> Uh someone asked about the guys jumping up uh in the Sims. Basically what we we're looking at what's available later.

71:23So >> um you know in this this second pick, it's like our next uh chance to get quarterbacks. the quarterbacks aren't

71:32going to be very good. So, uh, Darnold is you good with here or you want to try?

71:37>> Yeah, I'm good with Darnold. I'll go with Darnold. Yeah.

71:39>> Okay, cool.

71:39>> Yeah.

71:43>> Yeah, maybe we should have gone Jiheed there for the for the stack. But >> yeah, >> I do like I think he's pretty

71:48undervalued.

71:50>> Yeah.

71:52Yeah. I just like uh Yeah, I'm I'm I'm going to have plenty of shed this year, so it's it's fine. I just uh yeah, I'm

72:01I'm I think I've always been like been in on Shahid as a player and I think like I think the data with Shahed last year

72:09is like I think a lot like obviously a lot of like what projections and sims are are like based on data and I'm never

72:16saying you should like throw out data but what I am saying is like data when a player is like traded midseason is just

72:22like very >> oh for Shaheen >> yeah for Shahed right it's just like it's very weird data because He's trying to board a moving train, an entirely new

72:31offense. He's moving across the country.

72:34Um, you know, and I think that the value they gave him this offseason in free agency signals that like they think his his data was

72:44was kind of fake last year, too. Like I think they have they have real plans for for how to use him in offense this year

72:49in a way that isn't reflected in what he did last year. So, >> I think that's totally fair. What I would say for the Sims that we are

72:56baking that in like we're not it's not we're not tied to what his performance was last year or >> Oh yeah. Sorry. I I was saying I wasn't

73:05saying legups. I'm just saying projections and like where he goes like projections in general, whatever.

73:09>> Of course, it's going to be informed by the previous year. Yeah.

73:12>> Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Um and yeah. Um but I I like Darn. Like I take a ton of Darnold, too. I think the

73:22the Barner back sack with him is is workable. Um let's see. So, we'll probably I guess structurally we're like almost certainly

73:32looking at a third quarterback. Um if probably like Rodgers and if Ward

73:41falls all the way could be okay.

73:45Um running back, we're a little bit light right now, right? Just have three We just have three.

73:53>> We do have Ward later. We've got um actually not later. We'd need to take him now.

74:00>> Yeah, >> we have Rogers way way later. Um >> yeah, sidekick seems to be like you have

74:10another quarterback out. you've got uh a need at tight ends and a need at running backs to take care of the positional

74:18need because we're not seeing Ward really >> in the mix. I mean, he's he's down here, but the tight ends and running backs are

74:26kind of flooding it right now.

74:28>> Yeah.

74:33>> Willis goes I mean I think Personally,

74:43how I would I mean the guy at the turn also only has two quarterback or he already has two quarterbacks, right? Um

74:50>> he has three and one of them >> has three.

74:54>> Yeah, he's got Allen G.

74:57>> Nice. So, I like I like tight end here and then and then probably I would push for quarterback with our next pick. So,

75:06I like Jawan or Hawinson. And I mean, maybe the stack with Hawinson is my tiebreaker, but I think they're both very similar, so I'm I'm good with

75:12either.

75:13>> If we're just taking one, which sounds like you want to go tight end and then uh because I think what part of it is

75:21like Hoginson's got such a later ADP.

75:24>> Oh, I see. I see. But if we're just taking one, yeah, I see what you're saying. I just one >> Yeah, I I would push for Ward here. I I

75:32think um I know you you guys are are way lower on >> we're way lower on ward and then you because you have the ro like see Rogers

75:42is ahead of ward that's where >> if you're really out on ward I'm fine with spears.

75:49>> Yeah I'm not like completely out on ward but with with the Rogers medaf out I'd rather take spears >> because we need it's like we do need

75:57another running back.

75:59Yeah, >> a running back three.

76:06>> We kind of need one. [snorts] >> Yeah. No, no, I I agree. Um >> we also could go if we only had two

76:17quarterbacks on this build, we would be okay.

76:18>> It's not horrible. It's not horrible.

76:20Yeah. Yeah. I I see. I think >> I think it's fine. Um yeah, Rogers Rogers going back is good. I I have

76:29Spears. Spears is also a guy I take a lot of, so it's not like I I don't like him. Um I I have kind of like questioned

76:36recently. It's like, man, I taking 20% of the running back too on the Titans.

76:42What was what [laughter] was what was the plan there? Like what what was the vision? Unfortunately, >> yeah, 20% is not uh where I'm at. But I

76:50think he has useful, you know, he can be useful in the right builds. Uh I'm at I'm at 5%. So, you know, not someone I'm

76:58taking all the time, but you end up in a spot where you need him. I think he he's fine.

77:03>> Yeah. Let me I got to check how much I have them. I think I've stopped taking him. At one point it was way it was one

77:08of those guys where you check your exposures and you're like I swear someone else has hacked into my account.

77:14Like what's what's going on?

77:17>> Just contact underdog support. Like >> yeah, [laughter] >> I have no evidence of any sort of issues but um this can't be right. [laughter]

77:26Tech the Taj Spears exposure >> for 14%. I'm trying. Yeah, that's just Let's get that down. There's That's uncalled for.

77:38>> High, but you know.

77:39>> Yeah, for a while. I think it's cuz like I have a ton like most of mine is like skewed towards like Mayor and there was

77:44a while where it was just like I felt like very secure about him being like a clear running back too. Whereas like

77:51these like Marshon Lloyd, Jaden Blue, whatever type guys I was like scared of.

77:55So I think he was like kind of a safety pick. But now it's just like there's a lot of there's a lot of other options to

78:02to mix in.

78:04>> For sure.

78:06>> For sure. Yeah. Yeah. He's fine. Like but I he doesn't stand out over these other dudes, but you know, we this is

78:14kind of the stuff like the profiles that are hard to dream on. Like I think he fits that too. like he's he's owned the

78:20Titans. He has gotten chances in the past to like prove he could be awesome.

78:25We know he's not awesome.

78:27>> You know, they now have Singleton who you could try to dream on, but there's some issues there, too.

78:33>> And so, you know, like he has the same same tricky uh tricky to dream on in the same way that Marx is Samson, Algier,

78:44you know, like look at this whole round.

78:46Like how do you dream on any of these guys except Jonah Coleman, but that feels like a little uh irresponsible, you know?

78:53>> Yeah.

78:53>> It's like you're you're dreaming and then your parents bust in like get a real job [laughter] me anything.

79:01>> What do you know, Dad? [laughter] >> It's sort of that that kind of >> as fantasy analysts too. That's not

79:08based on real life experience or anything. That's [laughter] >> hypothetical scenario could happen to >> Hey, WE WERE RIGHT, SAM.

79:19ALL RIGHT, Aaron Rogers back.

79:23>> If we want because this guy needs tight ends and doesn't need quarterback.

79:27>> Okay.

79:27>> And he has because he has three quarterbacks. So if we did want to pick a tight end, we could. Um I don't really

79:33>> Schultz seems fine. Barner for the stack. I I think I'm just going to let it time out on Rogers.

79:38>> Yeah, just Rogers is fine. Uh, how much do you think we need a tight end here versus like is this a spot

79:45where we pull up like like this is where I would pull up?

79:48>> This is where this is the Lloyd mode for you. I'm good with Yeah.

79:51>> Yeah. It kind of feels like last man standing at running back like once he's gone, you know, and like we can I get

79:57Schultz is a is a solid pick, but we can we can scrouch something together with like Kate and whoever. Um, I I would go

80:06Lloyd here if you're good with it. I realize it's a little against the Sims.

80:08Okay.

80:10No, it's uh yeah, I mean this this the sidekick might stop working if we pass on Schultz like [laughter] 15 picks past

80:18ADP, but I'm so bear with me if the Sims break down here, but [laughter] >> Shady just like takes over here.

80:28>> The plugs [laughter] main frame just gets shut off. [snorts] Yeah, >> Daltton Schultz. I mean,

80:38>> you know, there's ADP value, but like I kind of feel like on Daltton Schultz, like like you take him around ahead ADP

80:45around after ADP, like that's it's all that it's you, you know, like he's not really a value or a it's just [laughter]

80:53like, you know what I mean? Like you can it's not [laughter] >> like Dton Schultz on the underdog app should come with a with an ADP that's

81:03just a write in. Like you decide like what what you think it should be for this draft. You put 200 it'll allow it.

81:09Put 130 it'll allow it.

81:11>> Yeah.

81:12>> No one regardless if he was from 140 to 180. Underdog could randomly generate his ADP in that range and no one notice

81:20or talk about it. They'd be Yeah, sure.

81:22Whatever. Yeah. 145. Okay. Dolan Schultz. Yeah, sure. That's fine, I guess. [laughter] >> This is why he's a good pick, I think,

81:32is that he could get He's in the 160s and if he was going 20 picks earlier, he wouldn't bat nine. [laughter]

81:39>> But I I mean, I get he's not that exciting.

81:42>> I'm with you there.

81:43>> Yeah.

81:44>> Oh, man.

81:45>> This actually does happen. I was going to say like you can make it work a tight end, but actually it kind of does happen

81:49now a little bit more, which which is maybe like why the Sims were pushing pushing Schultz is like if like Kate

81:55Autton goes here and Frymouth goes here, it like >> yeah, dude >> kind of sucks at tight end. Um we can do

82:02the >> Darnell Washington thing or or whatever and it's I don't think it's like a huge deal. will like make it work. But there

82:10there's no longer like the total freebie 18th round like Gassiki, T Ferg, some of those guys that were were there before.

82:17Um, >> right. Which is how the sidekick works.

82:19You're looking at what's available uh now versus what's available later. And yeah, uh if what's available later changes, >> and it kind of has at tight end a little

82:30bit.

82:30>> Yeah, a little bit.

82:31>> Getting pulled up. We like less, you know, he's he's one of those later guys.

82:36Sters were like we like less now.

82:38>> Uh just, you know, consistently running with like the third team and stuff. At this point, that's starting to >> to feel not great.

82:44>> Um so yeah, it's thinned out at at tight end. The next tight end, the sidekick's Rarin and then Gasiki. So um yeah, it

82:52gets it gets a little thinner than it used to.

82:55>> Where you guys at? Are you guys moving Mitchell Evans way up?

82:58>> Mitchell Evans, we haven't moved up a ton. Um >> come on, man. But but [laughter] >> just say just tell me you have. You can

83:06lie.

83:07>> I I know we could have [laughter] me from such a low point.

83:12>> I wouldn't know.

83:13>> We still wouldn't know. I That was a huge missed opportunity for me. We should have just been like honestly.

83:20>> Uh all right. Ridley, Keenan Allen, and Jacobe Lane at the top. Then Rarity and Giki. Darno Washington's pretty far down

83:27here, but you know, >> man, it's boring, but probably Ridley.

83:32If we want to do the fun pick, do we can do Lane, I guess.

83:36>> Lane is fun.

83:38>> Ridley.

83:38>> Ridley's Ridley is probably the right pick.

83:40>> Yeah, let's go Ridley.

83:42>> Um, man, Raridan. Wow.

83:46>> You know, you're using the Sims.

83:47>> Oh, God. Oh, come on.

83:49>> Sims, >> do we have to do [laughter] Can we do Eric Hall? He's high. are to Eric.

83:56>> Eric's high enough up. I feel like >> Okay.

83:59>> Feel like we kind of have to do it.

84:05>> I mean, I I need to have one one documented, you know, piece of evidence of me actually drafting Eric All. And I

84:11feel like now now is probably the time.

84:15>> I don't want to go.

84:18>> Come on. No. [laughter] >> Give me I need to reply to it.

84:23I need to know how much years ago >> you you actually being nervous. I was like, "All right, all right. It's not

84:29just a bit."

84:31>> Yeah. Know, [laughter] >> wait, where where are we going to add in this team? Are we done now? Is that was

84:36that >> finished up? Okay.

84:39>> So, the team officially in the books. Uh we've got three quarterbacks, five running backs, seven receivers, three tight ends. Uh not a hyperfragile team.

84:49We did a little bit of I don't know what you structurally with the running backs.

84:54It's kind of hard to say. U maybe a little double anchor kind of vibe with Cook and ETN.

84:59>> Maybe that is probably the best way to describe it, but uh we went Kyler Murray stacked with Justin Jefferson. Sam

85:06Darnold as our quarterback too. And then Aaron Rogers who we have stacked uh with Metaf and Dowel at running back. James

85:14Cook, Travis ETN, uh, Rico Dowel, Taj Spears, Marshon Lloyd, at wide receiver, Justin Jefferson, T. Higgins, Christian Watson,

85:24Carell Tate, DK Metaf, Khalil Shakir, and Calvin Ridley, and then a tight end Kyle Pittz, TJ Hawinson, also part of that Minnesota stack, and Eric all.

85:34We've got a couple Bengals.

85:36>> Oh, yeah.

85:36>> We got some We got multiple Packers. We got multiple Titans. Um, so we did some stacking without the quarterback.

85:42multiple builds actually with Shakir and Cook. So, pretty fun build that has uh you know, two quarterback stacks, a double with Murray and sort of a double

85:52with Rogers and then a solo naked Darnold to help get us there. But yeah, feel like uh I see how this team

86:00uh you know takes takes all the money.

86:02We have three Titans, by the way, so never mind. I don't I don't think this team's going to get there. But

86:05>> yeah, you know, a solid effort.

86:09>> We put in a good We put in a good effort. We had a good conversation. Um team obviously is not good.

86:16>> Is this the winner?

86:18>> Absolutely not. [laughter] >> Yeah, it is devastating when you check the team and you have more you have more than two Titans. You're just like, ah

86:27man. Well, it's always it's always next year. Um but >> no, I think I think actually it's like I I think it is like concentrated on good

86:37offenses or at least like >> potential to be good offenses. Yeah.

86:41>> Yeah. Yeah. Um like the Titans are like the one real like disaster risk, but besides that, like I think uh you know

86:49there's there's exposure to to good offenses here. Um I I like the EAF pick a lot. That was way past ADP. Fun to

86:56like get him at a good >> Yeah, him at a good value. Um you know, if the Steelers overperform expectations, this would be this would

87:06be a pretty fun team. Yeah, pretty pretty like balanced balanced build.

87:11Nothing nothing crazy here. I feel like I mean maybe maybe tight end is like a little weak, but we did take I was I was

87:18thinking like oh we're so desperate for a third tight end. Like we do have pits and like >> he was weak but you know when you when

87:23you get Eric go on in the 18th like it just makes the room so much more comfy.

87:26So >> exactly you hear got hit by a truck.

87:31>> I did the guy who said let's [ __ ] go like oh my god. But it was it was a

87:37European truck.

87:38>> Yeah. Yeah. No, we I think we talked about this last show, but we we'll talk about it again.

87:42>> No, it's worth talking about. I mean, if a guy gets hit by a truck, gets fired up, and then has an awesome camp, like

87:47that seems pretty bullish, you know, for football, that seems pretty pretty great.

87:52>> Yeah, >> pretty bullish. Yeah. No, he's uh >> hit by a truck. Bullish.

87:56>> I mean, >> I think I got to decide like which of my like bit tight ends like Mitchell Evans or Eric Hall, I'm committing. I'm kind

88:03of like hedging my bets on on both sides. I think I probably got to I got to pick a lane pretty quickly.

88:09>> Well, I think the move is just keep touting both and then, you know, let the people uncover your your exposures.

88:17Don't don't highlight don't highlight it, but the people will [laughter] just tweet out your exposures and make sure it's long enough

88:24>> to where Eric Hall and Mitchell Evans are included. It's like one 2%.

88:31>> Yeah. Yeah. just like >> and then have the people >> lose their minds and then win back-to-back BBMs with an Eric All

88:40team who you barely drafted. I mean that would be if you really want to I mean just for the bit, you know, just for the

88:46bit.

88:46>> Yeah, >> that would be pretty good.

88:48>> That would be Yeah, pretty that' be pretty good. I wouldn't be upset about that.

88:54>> Yeah. Three-wheel truck I I think three getting hit by a three-wheel truck is actually bearish.

89:00>> Yeah. I I mean like if he got hurt from that, I mean it would be that would be career.

89:06>> But even like getting fired up like basically got hit by a tricycle, dude.

89:09Like [laughter] >> Yeah. Yeah. It was probably like like I don't know uh one of those like smart smart car type looking things [laughter]

89:20like uh >> Yeah.

89:23>> Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Those little tiny cars, the ones that take like half a parking spot. It was one of those that

89:29just had like a truck bed attached to it, maybe.

89:32>> Yeah. Yeah, totally.

89:35>> Yeah. Um, cool. Good. Good team. I think that's uh that's all I got to say about Eric all getting hit by a truck. I don't know if

89:42you had another another angle on that you wanted to to hit.

89:45>> No, no, I think I think uh definitely >> definitely uh makes him worth taking.

89:52>> Yeah, for sure.

89:54>> There's no there's no other angles to consider. Um, we obviously did raise him up a little bit because, you know, even

90:00though he wasn't at the top of the sidekick there, he was in the mix and uh, seems like they're excited about the

90:05potential for him to to play in play action and and stuff. So, >> um, >> yeah, >> you know, if you've had your fill of

90:11taking Charlie Kar, I think he's he's on the menu. Uh, >> but yeah, we'll uh we'll get out of here. We'll be back next Thursday. Uh,

90:20I'll be back on Monday, uh, as will Sam on Pete's Best Breakfast. Check that out. And then um I'll be back with Greg

90:28Branos for our legendary coach speak pod. Enjoy the weekends. Uh good luck in your drafts. Thanks for watching and we'll see you next week.

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