0:00Drake May, you hear these numbers, you look at the charts, and then now he's got a brand new guy in A.J. Brown. How
0:07does that all match up?
0:08>> I've, you know, made no bones about it.
0:11I think that I we saw some natural signs of decline in A.J. Brown's game last year.
0:17>> Look at the release.
0:17>> There's your separation.
0:19>> Great route.
0:19>> Stutter and go gets by clean.
0:21>> That is unbelievable.
0:22>> May be the greatest catch I've ever seen.
0:26>> We continue our our preseason quarterback wide receiver matching game.
0:30Today it is Drake May and A.J. Brown.
0:34When you take a look at Alfredo's charting here for Drake May, very few screens, very few flat routes, which I thought to be really interesting,
0:44especially for a young quarterback where I mean, Shurmur talked about it last week, right? Like Shurmur Sanders was throwing a ridiculous amount of screens
0:51and flat routes.
0:52Drake May, they're asking him to make a lot of big boy throws, very few just kind of sort of layup targets here. Um
0:59and when you look at the charting overall, really heavy in terms of in-breaking pass diet, 17% curls, 13% slants, but also threw a lot of go balls
1:10as well, 10% um route participation uh in terms of the go balls with excellent success rate, might I add, on
1:18those nine routes at 58.5%.
1:22Um there is no question. We just talked about how uh heavy in-breaking pass diet, Matt again 17% of his throws were on curl routes, and
1:34you know what? That was his best route when throwing it as a quarterback, 84% success rate throwing on those curls, which is a really, really good number. I
1:43guess I I'll throw it to you now. So, Drake May, you hear these numbers, you look at the charts, and then now he's
1:49got a brand new guy in A.J. Brown. How does that all match up?
1:55>> Well, obviously the Brown conversation kind of has to be rooted in what version of A.J. Brown we are going to get.
2:02Um I've, you know, made no bones about it. I think that I we saw some natural signs of decline in A.J. Brown's game
2:09last year. Uh if you've read the full profile on the site, you know that I go into detail about that. And um some of
2:15the ways that he, you know, where we saw most of the drop-off, but also how we saw him kind of improve in the second
2:21half of the 2025 season, and I do think that's something to note here.
2:26Um I've seen other people put the splits out as well. Uh like just from a production standpoint, what they've seen on film. That is something to note that
2:33he was better in the second half of the season because he essentially, like he was playing with a hamstring injury, right? At the beginning of the year, he
2:43came with a hamstring injury, then he sits one game before the bye. Um so he gets like 2 weeks off. He comes back and
2:48was definitely better in that second half of the season. Now his success rates are, I mean, in the first 7 weeks
2:52of the season were really, really poor.
2:54We're talking about like bottom stuff.
2:57Uh but then in the back half of the year, definitely better. 77 uh percent success rate versus man, 76 versus zone,
3:03and 75 versus press, which are obviously are better than the than the full profile 2025 numbers. And, you know, there's they're good those are really
3:12good results. Uh but they're not as good as peak A.J.
3:15Brown. So my my my take on A.J. Brown is that we are going to get just kind of some version of a
3:22diminished player than what we got at his peak. It's just the question is how much, which is always the tricky part
3:27with wide receiver decline as we talk about pretty much ad nauseam on the show.
3:31Um so even still though, I think if we're looking at A.J. Brown from what he was in 2025, Yeah. It is funny that you
3:37mentioned the curl route being Drake Maye's best success rate pattern because that was what everybody was so pissed about about A.J. Brown running a lot of curl routes
3:48in Philadelphia last year. Remember that was a whole like Quez Watkins just calling up hitches, hitches, hitches.
3:54That's kind of what they ran a lot by the way in Philadelphia throughout the course of AJ Brown's uh you know, tenure
4:00there because it is a little bit of what the quarterback likes to throw. That's one thing too I I like I've seen this be
4:06Well, he's going and and you you highlighted it, right? Drake May really good on go routes. I I mean, we haven't done a Jalen Hurts profile yet.
4:13Alfredo hasn't written up a a Jalen Hurts profile yet, but >> Yeah.
4:17>> I mean, previously Jalen Hurts actually is a really good go route thrower. Like that's one of the balls he throws really
4:23well. So, you know, that could even be like I I think if Drake May is a better quarterback than Jalen Hurts, I'm I'm
4:28okay saying that. I don't know where you are with that. I'm okay saying that I think Drake May right now is better than
4:32Jalen Hurts, but still like that's kind of a going from a strength to a strength even if obviously Jalen Hurts wasn't at
4:39his best last year. I think what's going to be more fascinating is just like where does um he fill in throughout the rest of the
4:47route tree as opposed to kind of the the go and curl route uh for AJ Brown because I would argue that and I know
4:54the natural thought is like and I want to unpack this further with you. I would the natural thought has been like well,
4:59AJ Brown is just going to come in here and be like the vertical X receiver of this offense. I'm like, does he have to
5:04be? Because in that way he's going to be running Yeah, Drake May is awesome at throwing these nine routes, these go routes, but
5:11I mean, I think I think there is no doubt like AJ Brown has diminished in that like even in the magical kind of
5:17like you want to split the season in half.
5:19You know, this is it's just my opinion.
5:21I there's still a clear decline in his ability to separate on nine routes and go and in the go routes and stuff like
5:27that. I think he's still really good short and intermediate and I wonder if there's a way they can lean into that more this year with Drake May
5:34and how they compare that together as opposed to like AJ Brown has to be the on ball outside go route receiver. They kind of got
5:41other guys to do that. I I would like to see them lean more into their connection on some of those short and intermediate
5:47routes.
5:47>> Well, I do think that that should be part of what they do just to kind of sort of get keep the defenses honest, right? And
5:55honestly, to kind of sort of keep A.J.
5:57Brown happy, too, you know? Like I think a lot of his frustration was that he wasn't getting a lot of these
6:03down-the-field routes. So, if they can kind of draw up a couple of these plays where he actually does get a shot play
6:10um at least once a game.
6:12>> Sure.
6:12>> I think we just went I think we just went too many weeks without seeing a shot play down the field uh for A.J.
6:18Brown. I mean, just ask him to go make a play sometimes, you know? Um and I do think that Drake May will allow for that
6:25to happen, too.
6:26Um that being said, your your charting of A.J. Brown 2025 isn't a great picture. It's certainly not a rosy picture, although maybe it is rosy cuz
6:35it's all red downfield. Uh 28% success rate on the corner, 49% success rate on the nine, 62% on the post. These are not
6:44That's not good. Um >> Yeah.
6:47>> I'm I'm still holding out some kind of hope that a lot of that was motivation-based and or at least was
6:53influenced by motivation um and surroundings and just how much he was into it mentally. Um but I tell you what man
7:02it wasn't that long ago where this guy was absolutely crushing it downfield, right? Like you just pop on his 2024 tape [laughter] and his 2024 reception
7:09perception data and you're like, "Godly, this guy was incredible uh down the field." So, can he tap into that?
7:15>> Can it You know what, Matt? Can it be somewhere in between? Cuz I'd say what, if it's somewhere in between in 2026, I
7:21think Drake May and and uh A.J. Brown will have a pretty good and successful connection.
7:26>> That's the That's the That's the hope is that it's somewhere in between. I I don't And I mean, look, you look at the
7:31trade compensation. If the Patriots thought they were getting 2024 A.J.
7:35Brown, they traded like a first and a third in this year's upcoming draft and and like they're they're it's that's it. But
7:40remember, they gave a 2028 first. So, um I think they're even acknowledging they're not expecting to get They're not expecting to get peak A.J.
7:48Brown for 1 year, and certainly not for multiple years. And I don't I don't think Patriots fans should be uh expecting that, either. You know, in in
7:56in that regard, I think that there is a lot of ways that this can absolutely work out for them here in 2025. Now, I mean, I just find like
8:03the work I mean, you know, from a fantasy standpoint, like he's going, you know, super high. Like, there there's drafts now where he's going like ahead of Drake
8:11London. To me, I I just think I wish he was around cheaper, then I would think about it from a fantasy
8:16standpoint, because I just think like we're essentially that price is just assuming he is going to be back to peak powers and everything like that. And I I
8:25just don't want to assume that. I To me, I think the motivation argument, and I know people totally disagree with me,
8:31and I You clearly disagree with me. So, the motivation bros can be on James Co's side here. I just think to me, it's
8:37like, you have no idea. Like, you have no You have no clue >> if that's the reality. But, I think you
8:41can definitely What you can point to, though, is the injury. And I think if you're like trying to cope on the A.J.
8:48Brown stuff, and how he's still going to have this big year, and you know, and where I'm going to end up being wrong on
8:53this, or just like the concern could be unfounded that he's in decline, is that the first half of the season was
9:00so injury-tainted that it makes the final product look really, really not not what you would want. And Look, by the way, even
9:07the full uh reception perception profile, he's still like a 54th percentile success rate versus man player. Like, that's not totally in
9:14decline. If you look at some of his um reception perception like full season, you know, comparables uh in the day in
9:21the in the comparison tool, like, it's just kind of X receivers basically at every phase of their career, right? Like, there's there's It's kind of all over
9:30the place, but there are still some, you know, useful players. Um, you know, like Terry McLaurin's 2024 season. Like, there's a DeAndre Hopkins
9:38like Houston season in here.
9:40Um DK Metcalf in 2024, uh ironically his now current teammate Romeo Doubs in 2025.
9:48So, it's like these are guys that aren't, you know, atrocious. It's just what's the next step? That's the thing was is there Can he hold out at this
9:54level this year? Because I then I think that's good. I think he can I think it will be worth it for the Patriots. Um I
10:00think him and Drake Maye will have a really good connection. I think Drake Maye actually could um you know even improve maybe uh in in year three
10:08in the NFL with some of these like some of the throw like I would love to see more dig routes for for Drake Maye.
10:14Like well, we've got 6.7%?
10:17I could I would love to see that go up, you know? Um post routes is definitely above average, but I'd love to see more
10:23of that type of stuff. Slants like AJ Brown even last year when he was a diminished player >> Mhm.
10:30>> in my opinion still ran a slant on 21% of his charted routes and had an 83% success rate. One of the better marks in
10:35the league. Like that's a that's an area where I think the this version of AJ Brown can make Drake Maye better. Like I've always
10:43thought that Drake Maye can throw a good outbreaker, but that was his lowest relative to uh average success rates. That was his lowest
10:53graded route for us last year was the out route at 60.5%.
10:57AJ Brown even again in this diminished form in the full season profile had an 84% success rate on out routes.
11:03But I think all of those routes I'm highlighting here >> Okay.
11:07>> like the horizontal breaking patterns, which by the way can be really good for production.
11:13All of those are going to just be easier if he is used more as the Z receiver and and less as the X. And I think that's
11:21something that I keep coming back to here because we just know this over the course of studying receivers with Reception Perception since from 2014 to current.
11:30Like one of the ways to ease these signs of decline when they start to come in is a position switch to
11:37more not necessarily just like, okay, let's kick this guy into the slot. I'm not just saying that, but moving them off ball and making them more of a Z
11:43receiver, I think just really helps this stuff.
11:46And and like James again, this is my point. Why does AJ Brown have to be the X on this offense? They have three guys
11:53right now as we are currently taping this on, you know, Monday, July 20th.
11:58>> Mhm.
11:58>> They have three guys on this roster who were X receivers when they played last year in Romeo Dobbs, Keishan Booty, and
12:06Kyle Williams.
12:07Like I think all three of those guys probably could also stand to not play X as much as they did last year.
12:14>> Yeah, I was just about to say.
12:16>> But but can it be like 50/50, you know?
12:21>> Yeah.
12:21>> I mean especially like Kyle Williams obviously we'll see how much he even plays.
12:24>> Whatever.
12:25>> But he's definitely playing. I hope he plays, but we'll see.
12:29Dobbs I think could be useful if he's kicking around the formation, whatever.
12:32>> How about Mack Hollins, baby?
12:34>> I mean you know Mack Hollins will be there doing his thing. Um but yeah, I mean like Keishan Booty, like make him He was a very much a
12:39sacrificial X receiver last year and him and Drake Maye had a really good connection on those go routes. Keep that up. Keep him on the roster. Keep him I
12:47know he's kind of like a guy that's maybe wants to be traded or they've kicked about trading, whatever, but keep him on the roster.
12:52Sacrificial X receiver. Keishan Booty, it worked for you last year, but you probably need like a better like if if if AJ Brown is just
13:00in the Mack Hollins role, which was mostly like a Z movement player cuz they lean into his blocking ability, you're getting a much improved receiver
13:08even if AJ Brown's in decline in my opinion than what Mack Hollins gave him last year. Like and and here's the
13:13thing, this isn't just Matt Harmon comes up with a little theory about how AJ Brown could be used.
13:19We've seen AJ Brown be used this way before.
13:22>> [laughter] >> We we've we've seen it. We've we've got we've got examples. Not even just and I know I've pointed this out before, but
13:27in A.J. Brown's last season with Mike Vrabel with Titans in 2021, he took 68.9% of his sampled snaps outside, which was the second lowest of his
13:37career, and 61.6% of his snaps off the line of scrimmage, the highest rate of his career.
13:43In Philadelphia, almost first year there, almost the exact same. Career low 68% sampled snaps outside.
13:5054% snaps off ball. Then second year in Philadelphia, 74.8% snaps outside. Okay, it goes up, but he took 56% of his sampled snaps off
14:00the line of scrimmage. Like, those first 2 years DeVonta Smith was the X receiver, A.J. Brown the Z slot.
14:06Like, what Let's just just do that again. Like, what >> Yeah, go back to that.
14:10>> I think we get a better version of A.J.
14:12Brown in that way, so like lock me into Patriots Beat Reports, baby. I want to know where the >> [laughter] >> receivers are lining up, you know?
14:21>> Sure, sure.
14:22>> Like, let me let me see that. I mean, I'm telling you, man, like that's going to be really important when it comes to
14:28what is A.J. Brown going to be this year and everything like that. Like, dude, I it's my guy Taylor Kyles, bro. Like,
14:35he's really he's one of the best people that covers the Patriots. I'm going to be locking in on his camp reports cuz I
14:39know he's a sicko. He's going to be he's he's going to be talking about where these receivers line up and I'm going to
14:43be paying attention to that.
14:44>> I love it. I love it. Again, going back to this quarterback wide receiver matching data that we've got here. Um
14:49and obviously you guys can do the research on your own, receptionperception.com.
14:53Drake May, if you take a look at his three most thrown routes, not including the check down, it is the slant, it's
15:00the curl, two in-breakers, and then it's the nine, right? So, the curl was his most thrown route that he had at 17.6%,
15:08the slant at 13%, the nine at 10%. When you look at A.J. Brown 2025 profile, his uh again his
15:18three of his most actually his yeah, his top three routes that he ran, slant, curl, and nine.
15:26It all kind of sort of lines up. And again, in fourth place was the dig route, right? So, that was another
15:32in-breaker there. Then you took a look at Romeo Dobbs. What are his three most run routes? Well, it would be the slant,
15:38the curl, and the dig, right? So, again, it's it's interesting. I I think New England came in and said, "All right,
15:45man.
15:46Get me some guys that could go play outside, and get me guys that could play outside and also run a lot of
15:51in-breakers." This is going to be the kind of sort of I think they just lean more into what Drake Maye does well,
15:57which is again, throwing some of these in-breakers. So, man I'm And he And listen, he's got the arm strength to to throw a bunch of out
16:05routes and and corners if they want to come back routes if they want to, but man, I just think again, this is part of Josh
16:12McDaniels' offense. Get some guys that could play outside, that could get vertical, but all that can also run inside as well. And shoot, man.
16:21They have certainly surrounded Drake Maye with a couple of these guys in Romeo Dobbs and A.J. Brown.
16:26>> I'm really excited to think about it.
16:27I'm like a I think they'll play a lot more 12 personnel and and they'll get heavier this year. Remember, they signed blocking tight end Julian
16:33Hill, who unfortunately is going to be out for the season, but that was obviously like a declared intention. Eli Raredon was
16:41Nate Tice really loved Eli Raredon. They took him in the draft on day two. He's a guy that I think could be an inline
16:46tight end at time. Hunter Henry can do some inline stuff. Like just placing Austin Hooper, I think will be an upgrade there. They bring in Reggie
16:52Gilliam, who's like a fullback, and he could play some inline as well. So, I think they'll be in more heavy personnel
16:57stuff. And like in that sort of package, I actually kind of like the idea of, you know, Romeo Dobbs running some of those
17:05in-breakers you talked about, and A.J.
17:06Brown being the out route player. And like that's the explosive option that they go to is A.J. Brown as the off-ball
17:12Z receiver in a in a in a in a 12 or 21 personnel look. And like that's how they access more explosive plays this year.
17:20I'm definitely paying attention to cuz based on the charting data and Alfredo's profile, I do feel like that like they those outbreaking routes
17:29are the area where Drake May can improve the most. There's obviously there's obviously way to build a strength on a strength and I think that that that that
17:36can happen here, too.
17:37But because AJ Brown was still so successful in those outcuts and I think teams will look to make more use of explosive plays from condensed
17:46formations in I think that's going to be a theme of this year. I do think that can be where AJ Brown is is really
17:51impactful for the Patriots. But again, my opinion is just obviously we are in decline watch, of course. It's just he's a 29-year-old receiver with a history of
17:58lower body injuries and we saw a dip in his in his film last year.
18:03>> Yeah.
18:03>> Just the question is what's the next step? We're on that decline watch, but I think the best way to push off that decline
18:10is to not have him run so much X receiver stuff. I mentioned some of those off-ball rates and everything. He he took 85% of
18:19his sampled snaps as an outside receiver, which was the highest since his second season in the league, AJ Brown did, and
18:2772% snaps on ball last year, which was again the second highest of his career since his second season and without a doubt the most
18:37since he's been a Philadelphia Eagle.
18:39The only season of the four over 70%. So, I I'd like to see a role change for AJ Brown. I think that can
18:45help him not decline as much this year.