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0:14What's up everybody? Welcome to Beyond the Box Score, Monday, October 19th.
0:18Week 6. We're recapping it. Kind of a dud last night.
0:21You know, almost every game yesterday, I think there were only three games that were not one score games.
0:26What was your game of the week again last week?
0:29What was your prediction? Giant Saint! Well, it was gonna be Packers-Cowboys.
0:32But that wasn't really a game of the week.
0:35No, neither was. It should have been the Jaguars-Texans.
0:37But even if you go back to Thursday, all but three games so far have been one score games.
0:43But it doesn't, like that makes it sound like it was a really exciting week.
0:47But it wasn't. But it wasn't, right? I mean like the Giants, the Giants game being a one score game was kind of dumb.
0:53The Falcons game being a one score game was kind of dumb.
0:57The Jets-Patriots game was a one score game. That was a pretty one-sided game.
1:01Sure. You know, well anyway, that's what it was.
1:03Josh Jacobs, what's up? Hey, what's up? Sorry, I'm calculating stuff back in here.
1:07Just unbelievably bad stuff for Green Bay's backfield is what I'm finding.
1:10Well, you know, it's about to be Josh Jacobs' backfield, but how good is that?
1:15That's one of our topics today. What can we expect from Josh Jacobs as he is probably going to be their starting
1:21running back next week against the Detroit Lions? And who's better for the Giants pass catchers?
1:25Jameis Winston or J.J. McCarthy? No decision right now on a starting quarterback for week six for the Giants.
1:30At what point do we rank Jalen Coker ahead of Ted Aroa McMillan?
1:34I'll tell you that in weeks one, two, and six, the three healthy games for Jalen Coker.
1:39Coker has four more targets. He has about 40 more yards.
1:42He has two more touchdowns. He is wide receiver five per game in those three games.
1:46Wow. McMillan is wide receiver 18 per game, but he's really good.
1:50He just doesn't have any touchdowns in those three games.
1:52And then we'll give you some by-low candidates. But let's start with the tweet of the day from Adam Schefter.
1:58Schefter says, if the Commanders lose tonight on Monday Night Football, the NFC East would become the first division in NFL history
2:04to be winless in consecutive weeks in which all teams in the division played a game.
2:09And amazingly, two of the teams played each other last week.
2:12So the only way for this to possibly happen, for the division to go winless two straight weeks with there being a
2:18head-to-head matchup would obviously be the tie that the Giants and the Commanders gave us last week.
2:23But speaking of the NFC East losing, the Cowboys lose 13 to 23 to Green Bay.
2:27Has anybody ever set a score like that? Weird.
2:3023 to 13 the score. Which team do you think is averaging more points per game?
2:34Green Bay or Dallas this year? Green Bay? The way you led that, Green Bay?
2:38It's actually not even close. It's Dallas. They're nice.
2:41I have to throw in the occasional mix up.
2:43I like it. I appreciate it. Green Bay is 22nd in points per game.
2:47Green, they're back-to-back in yards per play. Which team do you think has a higher pass rate?
2:52Green Bay? Has to be. Is it not? Dallas is first.
2:55Green Bay is third. But yeah, they're both super pass-heavy teams so far.
2:58I guess there's also been like game scripts where Dallas has had to go super pass-heavy.
3:03Yeah, a lot. Dallas is... I think one of the key things here when you look at Dallas, they've been an underachieving team.
3:09I mean, even being ninth in points per game is not really what you expect.
3:14You expect more, especially when they're number one in pass rate.
3:17They've run the most plays in the NFL. Wow.
3:19No, no, no, no. They're number one in pace.
3:22I'm sorry. They're number one in pace in the NFL.
3:24But one thing you have to consider, they have three games this year with 55 or fewer plays.
3:29And I think that's holding back some of their stats.
3:32Because their defense is on the field all game.
3:35Well, Jacob, what do you think? I think the Pickens manager is really annoyed right now.
3:39The Dak Prescott manager, he's QB 18 per game right now.
3:42He's really annoyed. The Javante manager is happy with the production, but four games with 12 or fewer carries might be a little nervous right now.
3:49The Lamb manager is fine. But what do you think about the Cowboys in general, Jacob?
3:54Yeah, I've been saying by George Pickens. But I mean, the further we get into this, it's like it's not working very
4:00well the past the drop back game. Dak has looked uncomfortable.
4:03He was under pressure a lot last week or this last night.
4:06Their average depth of target was super low. Like their throws, the sticks are very low.
4:11Like it's, it operates like what we're seeing with like Caleb Williams was similar this week.
4:15I'll talk about that with like Luther Burden. But it doesn't feel like it's by design necessarily.
4:20Like with Caleb, with Patrick Mahomes, like it's by design the way that they're playing.
4:24This one feels like one of these offenses where it's kind of like the Rams weirdly.
4:29We're like the drop back game should be good, but it's just not right now.
4:33There's no rhythm or comfort with it. I think what's most interesting to me, and I love this about how the NFL changes in the chess match.
4:40Oh, it's always revolving. Like for a while, there's just was no solution to stopping the Dallas offense and pass game.
4:46And finally, some coach said, you know what? Like, let's just put six on the line of scrimmage and blitz six a lot.
4:53And that's so rare for a coach for to see at the NFL level.
4:57Like you'll see teams send five. You'll see teams mostly send four and drop seven.
5:01But the send six at such a consistent rate like teams have over the last two weeks with the Cowboys.
5:06It's really screwed up what the Cowboys want to do offensively.
5:09And specifically, it's something that can get to Dak Prescott.
5:12There were a few times I felt like where he wanted to get through his progression and couldn't because he didn't have time.
5:19Sometimes he did. But like Jacob said, there were a lot of throws short of the sticks because of it.
5:24And as far as Pickens goes, he's gone from a buy low to me to a don't buy at all.
5:30I saw some things that were concerning last night from an effort standpoint last night.
5:34And I think everybody saw those things and they tweeted about them as this gets worse.
5:38And they're currently two and four. I could totally see this dude checking out considering they did not sign him to a long term contract.
5:45And he has a history of this kind of stuff.
5:48So I don't really have a good vibe feel for where Pickens is at.
5:52I mean, still, I'm 73 is not terrible. Sorry, I have to be on the box.
5:56All roads lead to Ryan Flournoy. Really good stash.
5:59Ryan Flournoy with he's actually got more targets than I realized this year.
6:03He's had four, six, eight, five, four and nine targets in the six games.
6:06I mean, four targets in every game for Flournoy, who is 8% rostered.
6:10He ran 95% of the routes usually runs about 75% of the routes, primarily working out of the slide.
6:15He was on the slot about half the time.
6:18Yeah, I don't know if Pickens is a buy low anymore.
6:21I wouldn't call him a sell. I'd probably just call him a hold.
6:25Yeah, I wouldn't. I wouldn't sell low on him.
6:27They should still be throwing a lot. I mean, Dak is throwing the ball a ton.
6:31I think again, they've had some bad some games where they haven't run a lot of plays.
6:36I think their defense is going to get better, which has it.
6:40I don't. Well, they're just going to get healthier.
6:42They're going to get healthier. I guess so. They could get healthier.
6:45I mean, but that if you don't get pressure consistently against the Packers offensive line, I don't know who you're getting it against.
6:52That's a good point. Yeah, but I actually think that's fine for them.
6:55I mean, they're just going to lead to more throwing.
6:58But yeah, hopefully they get things fixed. I mean, when you just look at like how often Dak Prescott is throwing and
7:04the yards and stuff, it doesn't look that far off from what you'd expect from Dak Prescott.
7:09I think you just need more touchdowns. And then you think about the interceptions the last two weeks.
7:14Ferguson dropped that ball. I can't remember if his first interception against the Bucks was also a tip.
7:19I feel like it might may have been. But Ferguson dropped that ball and it was intercepted yesterday.
7:24CeeDee Lamb just slipped on a route and it was intercepted.
7:27Right. And not everything has been Dak's fault. But yeah, this offense is disappointing.
7:31And the Packers, it's weird. Like last night, if you didn't watch the game, Christian Watson and Matthew Golden had a, if
7:37you want to call the one for Watson a drop, it's a little harsh because it was deflected.
7:42But if he catches that ball in the end zone, I mean, that is three.
7:46It went right to his hands. Three catches for about 90 yards and three touchdowns that they dropped.
7:51And it's going to cost me a key fantasy matchup that I needed.
7:55Literally. Are you more optimistic about the Packers offense?
7:58Dan? I want to be because Jordan Love is just looks so good to me playing the position.
8:03His ability to anticipate space and throw into space, the flick of the wrist, the, the, the, the way he generates it.
8:09He generates both velocity and spin on the football.
8:11It's just fun to watch. And he makes these dime throws.
8:14The problem is I know he played the Dallas defense and I know that everyone who's played the Dallas defense has found some success.
8:21Even, I mean, like some of these defenses, the Cowboys, the Colts, like even Cam Ward found some success yesterday against that bad of a defense.
8:28So I just don't know how much I want to make of it.
8:32And I still have major concerns about this Packers offensive line.
8:35Will Jacobs help alleviate some of those concerns? Sure.
8:37Are there a little more multiple on offense? Teams can't maybe tee off as much.
8:42They have to respect that they actually have somewhat of a threat from a, from the running game standpoint, but it not sold.
8:48Cause I've never seen Jacobs run behind this bad of an offensive line with the Packers.
8:52Um, probably have to go back to his Raiders days to find that.
8:56So I still feel like I'm a little concerned with the Packers because of their offensive line.
9:01I will say this is, it's not just the Cowboys.
9:04This is the third straight game where he's gotten the ball up very quickly.
9:07Yeah. I feel like the first three games were like, Oh my gosh, we're terrified.
9:12This could be a complete disaster. And since then they've really, really emphasized getting the ball up quickly and it's worked pretty well.
9:18Yeah. That's a fair point. All right. Uh, so.
9:21Also, these receivers are insane. Matthew golden. So freaking good.
9:23Like I know he's the drops are annoying, but like the guys open all the time and like him being such a
9:29freaking good route runner allows them to do this stuff where he's actually throwing past the sticks consistently.
9:34They're throwing down the field and getting it out quickly.
9:37It's a big week for Tucker craft. He's tight end 16 per game right now.
9:41He's frustrating. He's on pace for 105 targets. And if he were anywhere near as efficient as he were last year, you
9:48know, 105 targets for Tucker craft would be a top five tight end, if not, you know, top three tight end basically.
9:54But he's not even close in his efficiency. And, uh, I think the target, the target per outrun rates solid.
9:59It's fine. It's, but he's got Detroit this week and they're worse.
10:03They're the worst team against him. So he's, he's the clearest by he's the clearest by a tight end.
10:08In my opinion, we're going to talk about like by lows later.
10:11And he's who stood out the most to me.
10:14It's been Loveland, I think. But I think if you can buy Tucker craft, like the fact that these receivers are playing
10:20so well is actually, I think really good for him.
10:23It's not like his volume has dropped off to Adam's point.
10:26Like he's still getting a lot of targets and now it's like Matthew golden legitimately scares defenses over the top.
10:31But there's one aspect of that, that, you know, we have to bring up and that is third highest pass rate in
10:37football for the Packers previous two years. They were 28th and 31st or something like that.
10:42What happens when Josh Jacobs comes back? That's our first big topic.
10:45We'll get to that in a second. Uh, but Jacob, once again, give us the beyond the box score rundown for the week.
10:52Yeah, we're doing a usage breakdowns. So digging all this stuff, we had a bunch of changes this week, like first week at Marvin Harrison jr.
10:59Um, Travis, uh, we got like Travis Hunter snaps this week.
11:02Like there's a bunch of fun stuff to dig into this week.
11:05So that's every Wednesday. Um, and then Dan and I do a film breakdown too.
11:09Um, and I'm very excited for that, Dan, cause we got like Caleb Williams back in our lives.
11:14Like that Bill's Raiders game is very intriguing to me.
11:17Um, there's a, obviously I want to go back and dig back into the Jacksonville game.
11:22That was fun to watch that on Sunday morning, Jacksonville Houston.
11:25Like there was a bunch of really cool games this week.
11:28Um, so find us every Tuesday at, uh, 11 a.m.
11:31Eastern time live. And Dan and I are breaking down film and just talking about everything.
11:35We just learned waiver wire, all that good stuff.
11:38You know who I love in week seven, assuming his backfield mate doesn't come back.
11:42Okay. What do you marks really? Oh my gosh.
11:44The giants are such a layup for running backs.
11:47They've given up, I think 12.3 fantasy points, which is great, but they've given that up to a running back in every
11:53single game, including Tyler Algier, Alvin Camara, Tony Pollard.
11:55It's not even good running backs. It's not even like a must start running backs.
12:00So what he marks, I mean, he played, he's played 81% of the snaps over the last two games.
12:05Um, with Montgomery leaving, you know, two games ago, if he does that against the giants, now if Montgomery comes back, it's different conversation.
12:11If he plays 80% of the snaps, it gets 18, 19 touches against the giants.
12:16I think he's going to have a very good game or I'm very, very curious to hear your guys thoughts on the giants game.
12:22What the hell happened in that game? Like all sorts of weirdness and I can get the box score.
12:28Yeah. We're going to get there. That's one of the big topics.
12:31It's stupid. Uh, all right. Uh, so let's go through the news and notes real quick.
12:35I think we'll get, we'll get into Josh Jacobs.
12:38Um, I think we'll do that before the other stuff after the news, because it just plays in with the green Bay discussion.
12:44But yeah, the giants haven't committed to a quarterback.
12:47They're at Houston this week. I think, I think a lot of people are probably going to go with what I, you
12:53know, the logic that I said yesterday, which is you really want JJ McCarthy playing at Houston and his first start with the giants.
13:00Let Jamis go out there. If he fails, you're going into a buy seems like the right time to make the change.
13:06That's kind of how I feel like what I would lean, but click curious with Dan.
13:10What do you think Dan? It's tough. I just went back and watched the table get into more of this later, but
13:16if they feel McCarthy has gives them the best chance to win, I think they should play him.
13:21And there's some, there's some things that we saw on tape that could lead me in that direction, specifically what it would
13:27mean for the giants run game, which has been dead in the water and just what it means on those like third
13:34down plays where teams are just playing man because they know Jamis can't escape the pocket and won't run when McCarthy will.
13:40Problem is there's also the negatives like McCarthy mostly just through first read the entire game.
13:44Yeah. So like that could be eaten up potentially by Houston next week.
13:48I'm glad I watched the all 22s. I got to say it was not as good as I, as I thought it
13:54was, especially not seeing Malik neighbors wide open three times.
13:57Cause like you said, first read. Well, yeah, he's kind of, yeah.
14:00Yeah. Um, okay. Anyway, Jalen hurts is, it looks like he's going to be out for the season.
14:05It's very unfortunate. It's got the blood clot and he, I think three months was the timetable given.
14:10I don't know if they make a deep playoff run or something.
14:13Maybe he can come back, but you can drop Jalen hurts and it looks just plan on him.
14:18Not playing again this season. That really sucks. Tampa Bay is they're going to do it quarterback.
14:23You think they're sticking with McKee? He really didn't look good in this game.
14:27Well, then I get Nanny Dalton back cause he signed with.
14:30Yeah. That's what I was surprised. Dalton signed. So they lost him.
14:33I wonder if, if we could see Joe Milton at some point.
14:37Oh gosh. Uh, I got, I've got some math.
14:39I think here's some math for you. Okay. So, uh, Tanner McKee averaged 4.8 yards per attempt yesterday.
14:44And that's, that's realistically bad. Yeah. Uh, for his career, he averages 6.1 yards per attempt, which is not good.
14:50Jalen hurts this year has averaged 6.1 yards per attempt.
14:53However, I'm going to give Jalen hurts his career average of 7.4 yards per attempt.
14:57All right. So you got in one corner, you got 7.4 Jalen hurts in the other corner.
15:02You got 6.1 yards per attempt. Tanner McKee. Now Jalen hurts last year, he averaged 28.4 pass attempts per game.
15:07And I feel like that's, that's pretty representative of Jalen hurts.
15:10Yeah. So if Jalen hurts average 28.4 pass attempts per game and 7.4 yards per attempt, he would throw for 210 yards per game.
15:17How many pass attempts would we need from Tanner McKee at 6.1 yards per attempt, his career rate to get to 210 yards per game.
15:24The answer is not that many 34.34. Yeah. So you could argue that even though hurts is a better quarterback than McKee,
15:30if you get 35 pass attempts per game from McKee, which I think you probably will.
15:34Sure. You're going to get about the same amount of yardage as what you'd normally get from hurts.
15:39Plus hurts has never thrown more than 25 touchdown passes in a season.
15:43I don't think he's ever been on pace for more than that.
15:46Cause he runs for so many. So that is a weird way of saying that it may not quitting the Eagles yet.
15:53It's a weird way of saying we're not quitting on the Eagles receivers and tight ends yet.
15:57Just dude, this is maybe something that only I care about, but McKay limits going to have like the worst yard per run rate of all time.
16:05And then we're going to see how he's a boss.
16:08It's going to be the same thing that happened with, with golden too heavy of a lean on the analytics.
16:13And then boom, you actually watch the tape and this guy's awesome.
16:17Um, maybe all right. Uh, back, but I don't know if that's the case with lemon.
16:21Just let me be clear. I haven't watched his tape and I don't know if he's playing.
16:26Awesome. Tampa Bay planning on starting Jalen Daniels this week at Carolina.
16:29Denver's not making a quarterback change this week at Arizona.
16:32Oh, Jalen Daniels is already locked in. No, that's right.
16:35No, they're just playing. Who did you say they're planning on it?
16:38Okay. Baker might. Yeah, but that's the plan. Uh, wide receiver.
16:41We got McConkie with a concussion. He has a buy this week.
16:44Dobbs with the shoulder injury. Mooney with a neck injury.
16:47Don't. I haven't seen. Have you seen anything on Devante Adams?
16:50No. And it's very odd because it was non-contact end of game.
16:54And I just saw something tweeted out earlier that not a single reporter asked about the injury to Sean McVay postgame.
16:59No, that's not true. He said he didn't have an update.
17:02Well, that's what I read. Oh, I read the opposite.
17:05Yeah. Maybe I misread that. All right. And then the, the offensive line stuff, uh, you know, we've got to keep an eye on the giants possible.
17:13It's impossible. The giants, we would have Thomas both starting tackles next week at Houston against Danelle Hunter and, and, uh, Will Anderson.
17:19That's good. Great for JJ, but it's even more possible that the Patriots are going to be without, and they're already without one starting offensive lineman.
17:26And I are, they could be without three others.
17:29Cause they're playing Thursday at Chicago and they signed two linemen today.
17:32So they're going to be terrible up front against the, or at least on paper, terrible up front against the bears on Thursday.
17:39And that is it for the news and notes.
17:41Are we going to take a break? When we come back, we'll get into Josh Jacobs and some snap counts, some stats.
17:47You need to know some by low candidates, the giants passing game and more after this.
17:52Okay. First big topic comes from Adam plank and he says, can we trust Josh Jacobs to be a starter next week at Detroit?
17:58The Packers offensive line doesn't inspire confidence in me and Jacob.
18:01I think you said you had a lot to say about this subject here.
18:05So what do you think about Josh Jacobs going forward?
18:08Um, yeah, no idea where he'll be at. If he's just like locked back into workhorse role right away, if the backfield
18:14will change in the way that it's been used.
18:17But what we do have in terms of data is just 14.2 expected fantasy points per game in total to the running
18:23back position in green Bay, which I haven't, I don't have that total number for every team.
18:28I had to manually calculate that looking at the players.
18:30But from what I can tell, that's by far the lowest.
18:34I looked at other teams that have had like running back injuries.
18:37Haven't been able to run the ball. Well, um, teams that came to mind are like Seattle and new Orleans.
18:42Their number is 23. It's 14 per game for, uh, the Packers.
18:46I looked at like Houston and the giants. Their number is like 18.
18:49Um, the Browns is actually the lowest number. I found it's 17.6 expected fantasy points per game to the running back position.
18:56The Packers is 14. They just haven't been able to run the ball at all.
19:00Um, receiving has never really been a big part of Jacobs, um, fantasy value.
19:04So I think there's at least a chance that they just continue to not be able to run the ball.
19:09They continue to lean pass heavy and that his values mostly touchdowns.
19:12Yeah, but they might, they might, I don't know, invert and lean into him, but I just, I feel, and then the
19:19ground game and it's just like kind of what we've seen in the past, but I just feel like Jordan loves playing
19:25well enough that that doesn't really make that much sense to me.
19:28Right. I, I, it kind of reminds me of Houston where it's like, they haven't been running the ball well, but they like seem to want to.
19:36And like, that's at least what we've heard from them in the past.
19:39It's at times like been a, you know, they're going to play run and defense and everything, but CJ Stroud's balling out.
19:45So I think they're probably going to keep doing that.
19:48That's my guess at least. Yeah. I think that's spot on.
19:51So some numbers for the Packers run game, they are 29th and running back carries per game.
19:56They are 32nd dead last in yards per carry by running backs, 27th and running back touchdowns per game.
20:01Um, Jordan love is 23rd and running back target rate.
20:04He's never really been much of a running back target guy, but Josh Jacobs.
20:08Again, here's just some math. Josh Jacobs has run more than 40% of the routes in the two seasons that he's played with green Bay.
20:15And he's had a 9.7% target share in those two seasons based on Jordan loves current pass attempts per game.
20:20If it doesn't change and Josh Jacobs has a 10% or 9.7% target share that's 62 catches, 62 targets and 51 catches.
20:27It's three a game. Basically, uh, if, if he keeps his route rate and his target share consistent and Jordan love keeps
20:33the same amount of pass attempts per game. So that would be pretty good.
20:37There's about 12 running back 12, like fantasy relevant running backs who are getting 51 or three catches per game or more.
20:43Um, and if people are asking what's the Josh Jacobs news, he's off the, I don't know if he's off the exemplary list now, but he will be.
20:51He's eligible to play this upcoming week. He's expected to be the starting running back.
20:55Yeah. But at any point he could get suspended again.
20:57He hasn't actually been technically suspended, but he could get suspended at any point.
21:01You know, there's a video out there if the NFL sees it and it's bad, it's up in the air.
21:07I wouldn't mind trying to sell Josh Jacobs cause I'm thinking about it.
21:11Like I like, I know they're only what I say 19th or 22nd in points per game, but I feel like they can be a lot better.
21:18Um, they got a lot of talent and, um, you know, that starting running back who was, he's been a stud when
21:24he's been healthy the last couple of years, but three years ago, he held out and he's awful.
21:29I think he averaged 3.5 yards per carry in 2023.
21:32He did. And this year he's missing six games.
21:35Now coming back, he, you know, with this offensive line, he might, might not be that good.
21:39So depending on what you can get, I like the idea of him as a cell.
21:44It just really does depend how your league mates are viewing him.
21:47And maybe you wait a week or two for him to score a couple of touchdowns before you do it.
21:53Because I think everything you said is true. Even if the, the rates will go up from what you just went over,
21:59Adam, all of those rates will go up and lean a little, at least a little bit more run friendly.
22:04I just don't think it matters. Like if he gets another 20 yards or 15 to 20 yards rushing a game, I
22:10don't think he was ever really that efficient since he joined the Packers.
22:14They weren't, I mean, he got a lot of touches, but it wasn't like he was pulling off explosive plays.
22:20Yeah. So it's really just a touchdown guy, but that's great though.
22:23If he gets Jalen Warren or Josh Jacobs, Warren, I think of him similarly to camp Scadaboo.
22:28Obviously this week changed the equation for Scadaboo for Jacobs.
22:30Yeah. Oh, wow. I definitely take him over Scadaboo, but at this point, but I'm saying like similar type of setup where it's like the team can't run.
22:38He's not getting targets. He's just like a big grinder that doesn't give you a ton of explosive plays in an offense.
22:44That's only able to pass right now. Let me show you a couple of screenshots from last.
22:49I just think they are like the thing is they are able to pass, right?
22:53That's the only reason I'm pushing back at all.
22:56It's like they are able to pass right now and they're passing really well.
23:00That's what I said. That's all they're able to do.
23:02Yeah. But like it's just, that means he should have some scoring opportunities.
23:06Sure. And really in fantasy, that's all you need at this point to be a starter.
23:11You need to score touchdowns. Let's take a look here.
23:13Uh, but this is Pierre strong. The one final thing I'll say about that before we take a look is one Pierre
23:19strong has been better than expected in my mind.
23:22And I read that they had a plan for him preseason before he got hurt.
23:26And two, a lot of the passing that's been successful.
23:29This is interesting to think about have been long passes.
23:32And so they've been targets in the end zone and that doesn't help Jacobs.
23:36So it is. I'm not like, as I think about it more, I feel like he does seem like a really good cell candidate.
23:42Pierre strong. I think could have had a better run here.
23:45This he hesitated to clear hole like in between, uh, the guard and the tackle there or the center and the guard, whatever it is.
23:52And he hesitated and he, and he got stopped.
23:55And then this one drove me crazy. You're Marshawn Lloyd here.
23:58You got the handoff. Do you go with path a or path B?
24:02Which I know which one he goes with. He went with B and he lost two or three yards on the play,
24:08but it's like, you want to make the out to be the offensive line.
24:12Like where's the vision? I cut, cut back, dude.
24:14I mean, and that could be something that improves with Jacobs back in the game.
24:18Cause he definitely is, you know, professional running back.
24:21Uh, we'll see. I just, I like your case for him being a cell.
24:25Right. I, I, I just, I think he might get off to a slow start.
24:29I think it's kind of hard to expect him to be really good out of the gate.
24:34Detroit's got a decent enough run defense and, and who knows, but, um, I look, I haven't met a couple of leagues.
24:40I am not viewing him as a savior. I am not viewing him as, um, he's going to come back and be an RB one.
24:47I think he's going to be an RB two.
24:49I think he's going to be not stylistically similar, but similar to like Bucky Irving where, you know, he's like Bucky's probably what, I don't know.
24:56RB 15 ish. Some, you know, some good weeks.
24:59He was great usage yesterday, but really bad for fantasy.
25:02Right. Kind of think he's going to be sort of like that.
25:05Um, different, but sort of like that. Not a lot of good running backs right now.
25:09The position has been crap. Would you trade him for chase Brown?
25:13Yeah. Yeah. Take trace Brown in a heartbeat over him.
25:16All right. Uh, but I guess not everyone would.
25:18So I think it's definitely worth considering him as a trade candidate.
25:21Let's do a YouTube poll. Let's do a YouTube poll.
25:24Chase Brown versus Josh Jacobs. Let's go with full PPR.
25:27Let's see what the people know that makes it too easy.
25:30Go with half PPR. Fine. Fine. Half PPR. I don't think it's too easy, but fine.
25:35Okay. Uh, should we go to the other big topics?
25:37Yeah, let's hit him. All right. And we'll at the end, we'll do the, uh, the stats and the snap counts and all that stuff.
25:44Big topic. Number two is about the giants and it was which quarterback is better for the pass catchers from Mark Lowitz,
25:50Jamie or JJ or Jameis who gives neighbors and likely the best rest of season.
25:55All right, Dan, I think you can go first here.
25:57What do you think? It's interesting before this game, I would have said it's definitely Jameis without a doubt.
26:03Um, and yesterday was the first time I think of Jameis's career.
26:06He didn't attempt a 20 plus yard pass, which was crazy to see.
26:10Um, but JJ played better than I expected. I know you maybe had a different read on it, Adam, but I thought
26:16he threw the ball really well in this game.
26:18And the problem is what we talked about pre, uh, show, which is he did lock onto, it was pretty much all first read.
26:25Um, he still has the issue in my mind of when he throws outside the numbers on the outbreakers, it's just low and away all the time.
26:32But there are a couple of throws in this game, the likely throw toward the end before overtime, the 20 yarder that
26:39he'd kind of just like sizzled over the second level in the third level, the play where he escapes the sack steps
26:45up, resets the pocket and drills neighbors for like 47 where like the ball jumped out of his hand.
26:50And there's, I think I saw the numbers on it from GPS tracking.
26:54Um, he averaged 49 miles per hour, 49.1 miles per hour.
26:57His, his throws average Jameis was down at 41.4.
26:59And that makes a big difference when it comes to throwing some of these timing based routes and you could see it
27:05with some of the plays that he made. So it's tough to say he's going to be a little bit more inaccurate
27:11than Jameis, but Jameis was inaccurate too. I saw charting from yesterday that said that Jameis, uh, over since he took over
27:18the Giants starting quarterback has been one of the most inaccurate throwers in, in, in the NFL.
27:22I think he was 36 out of 39 quarterbacks and he missed a lot of throws from my, from my notes.
27:28So like the whole negative to JJ missing throws due to accuracy issues, it's still the case with Jameis who, you know,
27:34had issues with his arm really throughout his entire tenure here with the Giants this season, at least.
27:39So I don't know, really. I think overall it's probably a net negative, right?
27:43Cause they're going to run the ball more. They're going to have more of a design run game, RPO stuff, things that
27:49probably don't help neighbors and likely, but I do get a feeling that this coaching staff understands it's bread and butter and
27:55it's bread and butter is creating matchups and one-on-one situations in space for both neighbors.
28:00And likely, if you look at this, it's been one of the pleasant surprises offensively for fantasy football in the sense that
28:06it's one of the most concentrated passing games. And I give kudos to the coaching staff for that.
28:11These are two great players, likely a neighbors who are getting open consistently and making spectacular catches.
28:15Um, and so some of these off target throws from JJ, I think they'll reel in.
28:20They did in this game. Likely's touchdown was pretty high and neighbors is too cat big catches down the field were pretty
28:26high throws that they were able to just snag in there.
28:29Isaiah likely is the number two tight end in fantasy right now on a per game basis.
28:34He's number one overall. He's number two per game.
28:36He's averaging 17.9 points per game. He's a better player than I even realized his hands are amazing.
28:41He has made really good catches. His touchdown catch or was it a two point conversion catch?
28:46Uh, yeah, was really good. And the touchdown touchdown was very high pointed was amazing.
28:50Um, and you're right. And that was kind of my note.
28:53Like, so my notes on McCarthy, his third pass of the game, didn't see Malik neighbors coming open across the middle of
28:59the field because he threw it too quickly to Malachi fields.
29:03It was blanketed. The next throw was an interception intended for fields.
29:06Not necessarily McCarthy's fault. That was just a miscommunication.
29:08He thought fields was going to sit and he came through that.
29:12Just no reps together. 27 yard completion and neighbors, but you already talked about this.
29:16The throw was a little high neighbors made a great catch that the 49 yard completion to Charlie Jones was it was a ridiculously lucky catch.
29:23And, and I'm going to show you the screenshot of that one.
29:26See if I think it's this one here. There's neighbors like neighbors is wide open.
29:31It may not look like he's so wide open here, but he is blowing past his defender streaking across the middle of
29:37the field and he throws deep to Jones and he gets a 47 yard completion.
29:41But like, he's not even looking at neighbors who has his hand up in the middle of the field.
29:46And then later we have this one. This is okay.
29:49This is the last play of the game. Neighbors gets wide open.
29:52Could have been a touchdown. Last play of the game.
29:55At this point, McCarthy is feeling the pressure a little bit.
29:58He's just about to start running backwards and scrambling.
30:01If he had waited an extra split second, maybe he sees neighbors.
30:04There was also the play where he threw an interception that was overturned.
30:08And that was a pretty bad throw. So in my opinion, he did make some great throws.
30:12It's very obvious to see that arm talent. Like honestly, he, I think he has one of the strongest arms in football.
30:19That might sound crazy, but people thought I was crazy when I said that about not on the deep hat, not a
30:25deep from a D he has limitations to it.
30:27Like it caps out, but I'm like the last thing.
30:30Velocity wise. Yeah. On the short and intermediate. He fires it in there.
30:34So that's great. Thomas is having losing his mind in the prime.
30:37The scenes here listening to this night, but at the same time, I forgot the whole Vikings.
30:42Like, um, yeah, no, at the same time, I thought there were a lot of mistakes and he was pretty lucky in this game.
30:48So I prefer James get another shot here. I think the broader point is this over the last three games, Giants quarterbacks are averaging 324 yards per game.
30:56On 43 pass attempts per game with eight touchdowns.
30:59They're at 7.5. What are they averaging in the run game?
31:022.1 yards per carry. 7.5 yards per attempt is good.
31:04It's the same as Jordan love and Gino Smith this year.
31:08It's not amazing. 6.2% touchdown rate is really good.
31:10That would be third or fourth highest. Wow. This might be the time to sell neighbors and likely.
31:15Because it's not a bad call. You've had Arizona.
31:18This is hard to keep this up. Yeah. And New Orleans.
31:21And who was before that? It wasn't Tennessee. It was, um, it was, uh, Oh, it was a Washington.
31:26It was Arizona, Washington, and New Orleans. I talked about this over and over.
31:30Now you've got Houston. You've got a buy. You've got Philadelphia.
31:33You've got Washington. You've got Jacksonville. You could argue there are really no good defenses in the NFL than like maybe Denver and Seattle.
31:40No Eagles defense is still great. Come on, brother.
31:42And Minnesota is best in the NFL. Yeah. But like, like, okay.
31:45I tell you Malik neighbors has Houston. Who are the great defenses?
31:49Let's do it real quick as fast as we can.
31:52Malik neighbors has Houston, Philadelphia, Washington, and Jacksonville in his next four games.
31:55You'd say, Oh, that's a tough schedule. Houston is 31st against wide receivers.
31:59Philadelphia is 28th. Washington's 29th. Jacksonville is 27th. I don't know what's paper.
32:02It's a great schedule. It looks like it, right?
32:05But that's not what I never judge it off of that personally.
32:08And this is debate in the fantasy community and you could go either direction.
32:12I don't go by this team's giving 26 most points to wide receivers.
32:16I just go by game flow and game script.
32:18If I feel like a defense is going to dominate in all events and get off the field a lot and puns
32:24a lot, that to me is a bad matchup.
32:27And I think the Eagles have proven that to me, the Eagles are still one of the elite defense.
32:32And about to me, it's actually astounding how well they've done considering how bad their offense has been the last three weeks.
32:38I guess so. All right, Jacob, how many tight ends would you take over likely rest of season?
32:43Yeah, Dan talk. Then I talked about this last week.
32:46Um, he had him basically a 10 and five rest of season.
32:49And I think that's fair. I had him at Titan 10, but I was like anybody from like 10, six through 10 is about the same to me.
32:57The one difference is I had Tyler Warren clearly ahead of him.
33:01They're all basically the same, but I do have concerns that the Giants offense could turn into a pumpkin.
33:06Um, and so like if you're not getting crazy, James drawback volume, if they try to go J.J.
33:11McCarthy ground and pound lean into Scadaboo or something is kind of what my thought was.
33:15And obviously after one week, it's like, well, I don't know, guys, J.J.
33:19McCarthy's got the strongest arm in the whole league and we don't even care about Scadaboo.
33:23I don't know. I, he has a very strong arm though.
33:26I was, I was impressed. Not strongest in the league, but it's up.
33:30I'm going to tell you, um, Garbo benched him essentially, man.
33:33Uh, I'm going to tell you three wide receivers directly ahead of Malik neighbors and points per game.
33:38And tell me if you'd rather have them or neighbors, Nico Collins, Nico, Nico, Ted or O.
33:43McMillan neighbors neighbors. Oh, wow. I was going to say McMillan.
33:46Um, and Devon, I even debate neighbors over Nico.
33:48I'm close on that one. The only reason I'm considering Nico is because of what you said, Adam, which is actually a great point about how the schedule.
33:56Has kind of played a role in this. And Devante Adams.
33:59Oh no, I'm sorry. Uh, Devante Smith. Definitely. Good neighbors.
34:02Yeah. Devante Smith, the Tanner McKee for a season and maybe Joe Milton.
34:06What are we talking about here? He was wide receiver to and catchable air yards this week.
34:10Devante Smith. I think that the drop back volume thing, we actually could PPR scam away to some points of Devante.
34:16Okay. I like that. And Devante Smith only ran like 72% of the routes.
34:20It wasn't fully healthy. He was, he also, he left briefly in the game.
34:24So what was his target per out run rate?
34:27I have it in here. It was, it was a 41.2% target per out run rate.
34:31So, you know, I, he has like the third highest first read rate in the league.
34:36They've really been force feeding them. Uh, okay. We got, uh, let's see, let's, you know, this one I think we can do pretty quickly here.
34:43At what point do we start making Jalen Coker or start ranking Jalen Coker higher than Ted Rowe McMillan?
34:48Last week, this, this past week I did. I think he's had a lot of really good slot matchups.
34:53That's what he had this week. Um, a lot of defenses who are easy to attack through the slot where T Mac
34:59is facing Denzel Ward, Quinn, Kenyon Mitchell or whatever.
35:02Um, but I do think that's going to be the case at times, you know, is that defenses are going to be
35:08more focused on stopping McMillan and he is doing a lot of the dirty work to clear out space for Coker.
35:14And then Coker is really good. If you get them in advantageous matchups and like really force feed them, like we saw
35:20in this game, then like he can be really productive.
35:23They're both really good for fantasy. I would rather, I would like, yeah, be glad to have either of them.
35:28Yep. And this is a pretty, this was a big game for me too, because they were both able to produce against
35:35the defense that I feel is still very good.
35:37Uh, I will say Ted Rowe McMillan has a super low catchable target rate too.
35:41Which can come with running, you know, big boy rats on the outside and everything.
35:45But I also think it can be kind of random.
35:48So I think he could be even better than he has been.
35:52Hmm. McMillan. Yeah. Well, I think just look at like, forget about the Detroit game with no Coker, but you look at
35:58weeks one, two and six, the three games they play together fully healthy.
36:01And I said, Coker's wide receiver five per game in PPR.
36:04McMillan's wide receiver 18 per game in PPR. Um, it's 27 targets for McMillan.
36:08It's 31 for Coker. But what I like is five red zone targets for both of them, three or four green zone
36:14targets for both of them, two or three end zone targets for both of them.
36:19So the fact that in those three games, Coker has two touchdowns and McMillan doesn't have any.
36:23That's really the biggest reason why there's such a gap in their points per game.
36:27You know, I don't think the gap is that big, whether you like Coker or McMillan better.
36:32It's pretty close. Hey, just to point out though, McMillan does still have matchups against, uh, against Patrick Sertan against Minnesota against
36:38DJ Turner with Cincinnati against Seattle in week 17.
36:41So those might be games where you're going to favor the slot guy.
36:44Like, like Jacob was saying over the outside guy.
36:47Okay. Okay. We'll be back with some by low candidates and some numbers you need to know from week six after this.
36:53Welcome back. I don't really have that many by low candidates.
36:56I need you guys to carry the weight here.
36:59You good to go? Yeah. Yeah. We just did shows like this last week.
37:03Um, I think a lot of it's still relevant.
37:05Uh, Michael Wilson on paper statistically is like one of the biggest underperformers at the wide receiver position.
37:10So if you buy into like, you know, big win against the Rams, Jacobi is going to keep playing.
37:15Um, if you buy into how well Wilson and Jacobi play together last year, then I think he makes sense as a
37:22buy only AJ Brown and Jamison Williams are underperforming their expected fantasy points model number.
37:26Um, more than Michael Wilson, a wide receiver. Speaking of AJ Brown, 101 catchable air yards.
37:30He turned that into 27 receiving yards this week.
37:33Um, I think got three of 10 targets. So he was wide receiver seven and catchable air yards.
37:38That's a really strong number that he had 43% first three target rate.
37:41Drake may is QB two in catchable air yards on the year behind only CJ Stroud.
37:46I watched the game and I thought AJ Brown was getting open a lot.
37:50Yeah. Um, I watched today. That was the only guy I was going to throw in in this segment was AJ Brown.
37:56I thought he looked good. Yeah. I was worried that he might just look really rusty or slow or whatever.
38:01Not, not confident in his health, but he looked good to me.
38:05Just kind of, I don't know. I, it, maybe it's that he's getting old and he sucks now and can't catch a ball.
38:11But my guess is it's kind of a random thing.
38:14No, I think he, I think he's a super obvious by low, almost so obvious that it's like, why even put him on here?
38:21Um, because of the crazy, like 33% target share in his first game back and Dobbs is hurting Hollins or, but what
38:27do you think about that offensive line? I mean, is that gonna, is that going to hold everyone back?
38:32I don't, I mean, Romeo Dobbs had a touchdown in this game and has had some games.
38:37And again, may as well as quarterback two and catchable air yards on the year.
38:41So I don't think it's really held it back that much.
38:44Like I think there could be production, uh, fricking pop Douglas is like a top 10 receiver over the past two weeks or something.
38:51Like they had three new offensive line injuries in this game.
38:54That's in this game. Yeah. Yeah. That, that would be the only thing that would hold me back, but no, I'm with you on it.
39:01It's getting close. I mean, on paper, at least it's getting close to chargers level offensive line with like four or five guys they didn't expect to have.
39:08So what happens to the chargers is horrible. We'll see if Drake may can, can overcome that.
39:13He's really fricking good. Uh, go ahead. That's yeah.
39:16I was, I was, I mean, it could be bad.
39:18Like we've seen may at times, I guess struggle, especially when blitz and stuff and like just kind of heat it up.
39:25But I also think he's somebody who can throw with anticipation and age around somebody who can just win 50, 50, you know?
39:31So I've in theory, if unless AJ Brown is toast, like those two feel like a grouping that could be fine, even with a bad offensive line.
39:39Um, I think Nico Collins, maybe I know he scored a bunch of points the first three games that he played, but
39:45he didn't necessarily score a ton in this game.
39:47And speaking of catchable area, it's the only quarterback who has more than may is CJ Stroud.
39:52CJ Stroud has hit 200 or more catchable area arts every game.
39:55He just keeps doing it every single game. He's so locked in.
39:59He has six games now with 200 more catchable yards, which is more than he's ever produced in any season.
40:04He's six for six. I, I just am so impressed with him and they have a really deep, diverse room now there in terms of the pass catchers.
40:12And I don't know. I think I'm, I'm a little bit nervous that see that, um, Nico might be limited all year
40:18because they have all these guys that they can mix in.
40:21So he's like a part-time player right now. He's playing like 75% of the snaps, but if he gets rolling, I think
40:27Nico could just be an absolute, like I said, him over neighbors earlier.
40:31Like he could be that good, like a top five type of fantasy receiver and you can get it for a little bit cheaper than that right now.
40:39Dan. Yeah. So Jacob had a bunch that I love here.
40:42Um, I'll start with just a follow-up on some of the ones I loved.
40:46I had Stroud. I have Jalen Noel as a by-low or whatever you want to call him.
40:50Noel, sorry. Noel? No, it's Noel. I'm just, I, I'm nervous about him and his playing time.
40:55I just don't think that they care about him.
40:58I don't know if they care about him, but I know they should, man.
41:01I mean, George Perrault run this season. And it's everyone we expect all the studs, JSN, London, Evans, Lamb, Puka, Watson, Nico.
41:08So, and in that list is Jalen Noel with 2.53 yards per hour one run.
41:12And he looks damn good on tape. I just, I don't know how they don't, but maybe you're right.
41:17Um, cause I also have Marvin Harrison Jr. As a clear buy for me.
41:21I thought it looked awesome week one with CJ Stroud.
41:24That's the direction I would go. I mean, it's just, I feel like he's a lot more likely to become a full-time player.
41:30And he buries Noel. You don't think they both can hit?
41:33I doubt it. This is one of the, the only reason I say that is because of the context you provided before this with CJ Stroud.
41:40This is one of the most healthy passing games we have right now in fantasy football.
41:45To me, almost by far, if you look at the 200 catchable air yards per game, I mean, who else is even doing that?
41:52No one really. Uh, but I guess it is still, so he is still super reliant on big plays.
41:57So that's frustrating for PPR. I still think if he's on your waiver, why are you at him?
42:02Um, but I have Harrison as a clear buy low.
42:05I said in last week, I hope you're able to get him two weeks ago.
42:09I said, Carnell Tate. I hope you bought him.
42:11I still think he's a buy high. Tate is doing things from a per route basis standpoint and from a per target,
42:17a per route target basis standpoint that are in line with some of the better rookie receivers center NFL.
42:23So put those guys in the mix. I'm going to put a couple holdovers for me.
42:27Um, Terry McLaurin, we haven't seen him play yet this week, but I thought he looked good against the giants last week on tape.
42:34And I thought more importantly, Jaden looked pretty good.
42:36I'm buying that whole offense, taking a step forward.
42:39A couple other guys. This goes back to the preseason to some extent because I knew their schedule was going to soften
42:45up, but it also goes back to what I saw last week, which was the best version of him in three years, probably a football or two years.
42:53At least Kyler Murray, Jordan Addison, the entire Vikings.
42:55I'm pretty much in on rest of season. As far as buy logos.
42:59I think we're going up with that offense. Kyler looked way more comfortable in his last most recent game and going into this bi-week.
43:06We'll see what happens there. So I put Kyler Addison, maybe Jefferson in that mix.
43:10Um, we probably missed the boat on it, but Colston Loveland, I would throw in there, uh, with Caleb back.
43:15And really I'm good. I'm buying in on any bears.
43:18And then finally for me, well, I'll do one more before that.
43:22I'm in on this Jahan Dotson thing. It's going to be honest.
43:25I think he looks pretty good. I watched all the snaps from last week and then this week's game.
43:30I think he looks pretty good out there. And he was a former first round pick that I like coming out of Penn state.
43:37Um, and he gets every single week. He gets these one-on-ones because it's everyone's just focusing on Drake, London and Kyle Smith,
43:43obviously not like go crazy and trade for Jahan Dotson.
43:46But if he's still on your waiver, why are you someone I would definitely look to prioritize him and Noel are just
43:52players who are playing well and getting tons of, uh, one-on-one opportunities because of the other players around them.
43:57And that's just something I'm always interested in. And both their quarterbacks are playing well as well.
44:02Pennix and Shroud more so Shroud, but also Pennix.
44:04Last one for me would be Tyrone Tracy jr.
44:07Um, as I guess it's more of a waiver, but I'm also adding half of these have been by low off your waiver where they're 5% rostered.
44:14Yeah, they're not high rostered players, but a lot of people play in deep leagues.
44:19That's why I bring them up where these guys are already rostered.
44:22Um, and for Tracy, it's just simple as this on tape.
44:25He looks like the best giants running back. I still think Scadaboo can be that, but something weird is going on.
44:31Scadaboo was according to John Harbaugh, not benched, just didn't work out game flow wise.
44:35But after Tiki Barber went on the fan and said, I know this is more than just the fumble last week.
44:41It's and I, and he's like very cryptic and wouldn't say much more than that.
44:45I just get the feel that Harbaugh, what'd you say?
44:48He did a little bit. He basically said like, he said pass protection and things like that.
44:53Right. But he didn't really go into, I think it's a good call.
44:56I think it's a good, you know, I think the most likely scenario is that the giants don't have a good run
45:02game this year or a good fantasy running back.
45:05And unfortunately their next three games are Houston, a buy and Philadelphia.
45:08So I don't know, like, are you going to pick up the matters Tracy and hold the buy, you know, but I think it's worth a shot.
45:16It's, it's not Najee Harris. I'll tell you that.
45:18So Najee Harris, I think is quite frankly, the worst running back getting touches in football right now.
45:23And I say that having to watch Marshawn Lloyd every week.
45:26I still think Tyrone, I still think, I think if Najee Harris is cut today by the giants, no team claims in
45:32the rest of the season based on the tape he's put out there.
45:36All right, let's move on. By the way, I've got a few more.
45:40Oh yeah. So you, well, you had Tucker craft too.
45:42So what do you think about a 16 targets and 48 receiving yards for a Mecca book?
45:47Not epic. I just don't, I don't care anything that's happening with Jalen Daniels.
45:51I don't care about that. I'm just, it looks so bad in the second half.
45:55I had a bet on the Steelers. I shouldn't say that I had a pick them league on the Steelers.
46:01And, and I was just like, I might, they might pull this game out cause they've just completely solved this box offense in the second half.
46:08I think Casey Concepcion is a great buy. I think he's had just a brutal run out in terms of like really
46:14weird misses from Deshaun Watson on screens and crap like that.
46:17Um, his catchable target rate is really, really low proportional to like the low average depth of target.
46:22You would think that these would be easy throws and they just haven't been.
46:26And it's a small sample size. I think over a larger sample size, get the ball in his hands, let him run.
46:32He looks really good. Um, and then he also got concussed on like the first play of the game.
46:38So it's just been, it's been a weird year for him, but I think it could be cool at the end of the year.
46:44Um, and then two running backs that I think are interesting.
46:47I'm curious what you think about them. Um, both are teams really leaned into the ground game this week.
46:53They're both out. Um, and the teams haven't necessarily run the ball that well.
46:56I don't know what to expect going forward, but both teams also got wins this week, which I think is important for like the trajectory of their team.
47:04So it's Travis ETN, Travis HN and Jeremiah love.
47:07Okay. Would you buy either one of those? I was just looking up Jeremiah.
47:11I hate his schedule, but I do like the call because I think when you look at week three, they had just basically made him the guy.
47:18He was the goal line guy. He played, I don't know, 66% of the snaps, something like that.
47:23And he got hurt. Right. And I don't know when he got hurt.
47:27I can't remember that, but he went back to being a 48% snap guy the next two games.
47:32And then they said he needs to rest. They want to get him healthy.
47:36So I definitely feel, no, I don't definitely, I possibly feel like his time could be coming because it seemed like that,
47:42that had arrived, but they need to get him healthy.
47:45If I liked his schedule better, I'd be more in on it.
47:48I feel like he has a lot of tough run defenses there.
47:51So I'm a little hesitant, but it's a good, I think it's a good call.
47:56It's like brutal all the way till his bye week.
47:58And then it's like the fantasy playoffs are amazing.
48:01So it's like, I have no idea what to do with that.
48:04The HN one's interesting too. He had a great usage in his last healthy game.
48:08Like it looked like finally things were turning for him.
48:11And I think they'd be wise to do it, to get him more involved.
48:15And I think the key is Jacob, like you can get them so low right now.
48:19So I do like that idea. Would you, would you trade Josh Jacobs for either Jeremiah Love or Travis HN?
48:25A hundred percent for Love. I don't think I would do it for HN necessarily.
48:29I would consider it for Love. I would definitely not do it for HN.
48:33I don't think I'd do it for either guy.
48:36By the way, I don't think I would do it for Love, but I'd consider it.
48:40The YouTube poll was apparently overwhelmingly Chase Brown over Josh Jacobs and half PPR.
48:44Let's see. I think so. Is the poll still up?
48:47I'm going to vote for Jacobs just for fun.
48:4973% to 27% Chase Brown. Listen, man, I said this a few times on the show.
48:54Last year it happened. They started splitting the carries between Chase Brown and Samajay Pirine pretty evenly for three weeks, like 60-40
49:00for three weeks before Pirine got hurt. And that is when Chase Brown's success happened.
49:04Because Chase Brown got off to a terrible start.
49:07What's happening now? Got off to a terrible start.
49:09What did his offensive coordinator say? Shotgun favors Samajay Pirine.
49:12Under center favors Chase Brown. They might start mixing and matching them.
49:15I don't really think that's going to happen. But listen, if we get back out there next week and Chase Brown and
49:21Samajay Pirine are basically splitting evenly, I will be 0% surprised.
49:24It is in the cards. It is in the cards.
49:27Just beware with Chase Brown. All right. I'm sorry, guys.
49:30I only have about five minutes left. I have to go, hopefully, to my last ophthalmologist appointment.
49:35This is a never-ending eye problem. It's still a little red.
49:38I'm not loving that. But, Jacob, are there any other… What the hell are we talking about?
49:42Oh, his eye? Yeah. He's had eye issues for like a month and a half.
49:47It hasn't been a month. You're such an exaggerator.
49:49I know. He's such a little snot. So, I just wanted to say that Luther… That's a step up from the last thing he called me on air.
49:57Luther Byrd and ran 42% of the routes yesterday and had a really good game.
50:01What was that about? Yeah. I don't know how much time you want to spend on like advanced stats and stuff.
50:07We can save this for our Beyond the Box course show on Tuesday.
50:11If you finish without me, I can go, you know.
50:13Seriously, you know. Well, basically, I think they ran a really specific game plan.
50:17I'm really excited. I watched the first quarter. I want to go back and watch the whole thing, but I just didn't have time this morning.
50:24Caleb had an 83% completion percentage this week. It was crazy.
50:28Career high. He had 205 yards after the catch.
50:30So, that's only the third game for any quarterback this year with more than 200 yak.
50:35Wow. It was just his ninth career game with a success rate of 50% or higher in terms of dropback success rate.
50:41His average depth of target was 3.9 yards past the line of scrimmage.
50:44He had, I think, the third lowest percentage of his throws like going to the sticks of any quarterback all year long in a game.
50:51And when I say sticks, it's like the yardage you need to gain a first down.
50:56Also had the second most play action dropbacks of any game in his career.
51:00Cole Komet ran more routes than Luther Burden. He only had one scramble.
51:03So, I think it's like they went very conservative.
51:06And if you were, I sent out a cut up of all the Loveland targets and all the Burden targets.
51:11And then I watched the first quarter. Guys are, it was an, I don't want to say it's a masterclass.
51:17I've only watched one quarter, but people were wide open.
51:20Every drop back, there were like two, three guys wide open.
51:23So, I feel like they just, it was very easy.
51:25They were in a bunch of screens. I think they just, Ben Johnson was like, I can just scheme this and kind of ease him in.
51:33And then they got the big lead. And so, they just went really conservative.
51:37So, I don't, Luther Burden just hasn't been out there for like one and two receiver sets a lot of the time lately.
51:43When they go to bigger tight end packages, he's like splitting that work or not even on the field.
51:48That didn't, nothing really changed my opinion. It was just a game where that was really prevalent.
51:53Those types of plays. It was a weird game script and game flow entirely, I thought.
51:58He looked really good though. I mean, he's creating the act.
52:01Like he's, he's been very good in that role.
52:03It's like, it's kind of like the Jeremy Bernard game that we just got.
52:07And Jeremy Bernard, by the way, the only players who have, are the only receivers who have more touches than Jeremy over
52:13the past two games are Malik Neighbors and Pukanukua.
52:16He has 18 touches over the past two games.
52:18Pittsburgh Steelers rookie. Sweet. It's like that role, but also there are designed plays where Luther gets to be a downfield runner,
52:24whereas Bernard's mostly around the line of scrimmage. So I, I think it's actually a pretty fantasy relevant role.
52:30I think this is kind of the worst game script for him because it was so run heavy and all the big
52:36personnel running and everything where he didn't play very much.
52:38And he still had a very good game because they do design a lot of stuff to him.
52:43All right. I just want to add a few things before we leave here.
52:47Tony Pollard played 76.1% of the snaps. That is his most since week five of last season.
52:52And I didn't have time to look it up, but I think Tajay Spears missed like the first four games of last season or something.
52:59So what I'm pretty sure this is at his most or second most, you know, since he and Spears have shared the backfield last year.
53:06Jalen Warren played 75% of the snaps. Bucky Irving played 85% of the snaps.
53:10I think you could make a case coming off these performances that Irving and Warren are by lows, but I also think
53:16you have to put it in context. They're not, I don't think they're going to win you your league necessarily.
53:22I think they're going to be guys you start most weeks, but it could be a little frustrating.
53:27Chris Olave had a really, you know, pretty good game.
53:29He only played 58% of the snaps. He came into the game with an illness.
53:34Maybe that had something to do with it. And if you have Darren Waller, I think it's probably time to get rid of him.
53:40Tommy Tramble ran a few more routes than Darren Waller, but it was pretty evenly split.
53:45And I just don't think he does enough when Jalen Coker's there.
53:48So I think you can move on from him.
53:51I'm going to leave it up to you guys.
53:53You can keep, you can keep podcasting if you want, or we can sign off.
53:57We'll see you on the Tuesday show. Yeah. We'll be live tomorrow, 11 a.m.
54:01Eastern time. Yes, sir. Be on the box score channel.
54:04There you go. Thank you guys. Good stuff today.
54:06Thank you all for watching and listening. And we'll talk to you on fantasy football today with the waiver wire tomorrow, Beyond the Box score tomorrow.
54:14Busy, busy week in fantasy football. See you soon.
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