0:00What is good? We're back and we've got some cheap buy lows or as Stan was calling them the forgotten soldiers.
0:06So these are gonna be players that for one reason or another maybe aren't scoring a ton of fantasy points because they're
0:12on IR or just not getting the time but we don't mind including them in trades or buying them and then we're
0:18also gonna talk about some stash players because you know we're about halfway through the season ish getting close.
0:23It's a good time to take inventory of those kind of things and those pieces to me are an important thing.
0:29So how you doing today? What you think? Yeah, man, I'm doing great.
0:32This is one of my favorite parts of Dynasty is talking about some of the guys that are less of the big names.
0:38I know everyone wants to send multiple firsts for Jalen Warren and Bilo on Chase Brown and all these things that we
0:44can do during the season but sometimes the biggest brain dynasty moves are stashing these players that nobody is talking about that
0:50are not in the limelight and then two years later somehow they come to fruition.
0:54You've been sitting there all along. You got a big smile on your face.
0:58You can rub it in all your league mates.
1:01You know, that's really what we're all here for, right?
1:03Just some friendly banter with the friends. Yeah, I mean there's, you know, not much better for me than when a league
1:09mate is, you know, somebody kind of goes off and people starts to kind of like percolate a little and then they
1:15hit that search feature on the player and they're like, ah, Casey's got him.
1:19And that's not a gun. We'll start off with some higher stuff and we'll kind of work our way down and talk
1:25about, you know, some stashes that we like to just kind of keep around and keep in mind for one reason or another.
1:31So Stan, lead us off here. Tell me sort of somebody who's for a forgotten soldier flying under the radar right now
1:37that you think would be a goodbye. Well, I got to go over to your neck of the woods, Casey, over with
1:43the San Francisco 49ers and we got to start with Mac Jones.
1:47You know, I think you're in the offseason and last season, especially when he was showing you something on the field.
1:52Everyone was like, you got to stash Mac Jones.
1:55You got to own Mac Jones. He's going to have a chance to be a starter in this league.
2:00And then now we've had the narrative of this 27 class being so strong.
2:04There's a bunch of quarterbacks coming out. Maybe some of these quarterback bridge guys like Mac Jones out there that can get a second chance.
2:11We've seen successful players go through this Shanahan quarterback rehab, right?
2:14I mean, hey, Sam Darnold's out here with a ring and he did exactly that.
2:18So I think Mac Jones, 28 years old. We saw him be productive now in Jacksonville and in San Francisco.
2:23I still believe he's going to get another chance in the league and in a super flex format right now.
2:29He's dirt cheap, Casey. I mean, I pulled him up on community rankings here and players of similar value.
2:34Seth McCown, Jalen Wright, Alvin Kamara. I mean, like this is nothing.
2:37And I'm not saying that those trades get done in a vacuum one for one.
2:41But you absolutely have the opportunity to offer people that are contending right now points in production on their roster to stash
2:47some young upside players like Mac Jones, who still has a bright future, I think, in the NFL.
2:52Yeah. No, I think this is a buy for any sort of team.
2:56These are these kind of players to me. And this is this is like a better odds lottery ticket to me, because
3:02I think we kind of talked about it on a show yesterday.
3:05There is a lot of quarterbacks or situations coming up that that there will be some players with high draft picks and some teams with high draft picks.
3:13And they obviously take a quarterback that's up there and maybe some of them luck out.
3:17And, you know, you get the Josh Allens and those later round quarterbacks, Bo Nix or, you know, whoever I'm drawing a blank right now.
3:24Who kind of some of those Lamar was probably a little bit later in the draft, like little first round picks is
3:30what I'm saying as I stumble around here. And maybe if some of them get lucky and are able to do that
3:36in the in the middle or the bottom of the first round and they strike gold with it.
3:41But there's going to be not enough chairs and somebody like the Cleveland Browns, let's say they play their way into a
3:47situation where they're not able to get a quarterback or they'd have to spend a lot of capital in the draft to get up to get one.
3:54And maybe they would, but somebody like a Mac Jones is going to be very interesting to a couple of teams that
4:00end up playing themselves into the playoffs or playing really well and just outside the playoffs.
4:04So I think for me, I would trade bait right now almost any second round pick for Mac Jones.
4:09Yeah, of course. I mean, you mentioned a couple of good ones there.
4:13You even got Pittsburgh in the mix there. You know, Aaron Rodgers.
4:16It's his last season. Did they roll with some of the young guys they already got in the building like Howard?
4:22Or did they bring in a veteran to maybe contend, right?
4:25Hedge their bets, say, hey, we'll try the young guys out through the whole offseason and through training camp.
4:30And if we don't feel confident, then maybe Mac Jones can get us to where Aaron Rodgers is right now sitting at five and two.
4:37Right. I mean, the Browns come to mind. The Jets could, you know, the Jets have been dropping some, but they could play themselves into it.
4:44I mean, if the if KOC, you know, goes to the playoffs and doesn't like what he saw a lot of Kyler,
4:50they could make yet another change and go with another San Fran quarterback.
4:54Like they had with with Darnold and let him out the door.
4:57And Mac Jones maybe stops the bleeding for them for a little while.
5:00So there are some options. And it's, you know, I don't want to say better for Mac Jones to go to one
5:06of those situations because we, you know, things change so rapidly.
5:09But generally, you like the process of a team that was good last year getting Mac Jones rather than an awful team
5:15getting back Jones and then having to sit through a couple of.
5:19So I think that's a good high value lottery ticket for me.
5:22I would say another name like that, not in the quarterbacks, because I think a lot of those are probably a bit
5:28deeper stashes at this point from the quarterback position.
5:30I think Mac Jones is the best one of those.
5:33But I think Jordan Addison right now is kind of a forgotten soldier a little bit.
5:37He's in a contract year, I believe. Right. And look, he's had a little bit of weird off the field stuff.
5:43Nothing like crazy, but some dumb stuff. And he's shown us before that he is a very, very good player.
5:49And I mean, right now, Justin Jefferson isn't really getting off, you know, necessarily like we want him to.
5:54So for Addison to be able to get to where we think he needs to go, I think there's a lot of
6:00people right now where he's bottom end of their roster, not even be considered for starting position.
6:04And at this point, they've kind of forgotten the good they gave him and they would be willing to part with him again.
6:11This is a get. I think this is a great I've always put him as a great Robin.
6:16Like, I don't think he's a Batman, but he is an awesome number two for somewhere that can go and actually get
6:22back to using him like he should be used because this is a very, very talented player that's that's put up points before.
6:28And that's those are the kind of guys that in this cheap by low scenario that I want to go after.
6:33Stash is you can kind of play off the hey, this is what I think this guy could be when we're doing the cheaper by low.
6:41Addison's like a prime example of something that I want to go after.
6:44Totally agree to write because he has really been a product of just an unfortunate quarterback environment in Minnesota over the last
6:50couple of seasons, because like you mentioned in astutely, the first two years in the league, he was wide receiver 23 and wide receiver 21 in fantasy football.
6:58And so two top 25 finishes in a row, former Blundikoff winner.
7:01I mean, that doesn't just go away, right? Like the off field stuff is questionable, but the talent's absolutely there.
7:06Sometimes these guys just need a second chance. He's a relatively young prospect, so he's going to have the chance, you know, still.
7:13In this league to grow and mature. And when you talk about price point, I mean, I'm looking over on community rankings right now.
7:19You got Braylon Allen sitting right next to him, who I actually like as a stash as well.
7:24But then you've got Ollie Gordon there. I still think he's shown promise here, but someone might be looking for points right now.
7:30And Devon Achan still locked up on a mega deal there.
7:33Ollie Gordon's on his rookie contract. You don't see teams really trading running backs on their rookie contract very often.
7:39So I would imagine Gordon's going to back Devon Achan up for a long while here until you get some sizable usage barring any injury.
7:46And then you're even talking about, you know, I like Zach Charbonnet.
7:49I've been a proponent of buying him, but he's sitting right next to Jordan Addison right now on community rankings.
7:54And so, hey, if someone's running back needy and wants the immediate gratification to Charbonnet and you're kind of in the retool mode, maybe stash Addison.
8:01It's not a bad upside swing. Yeah, no, I think these are these are a lot of these players are going to
8:07be like you could get seconds or multiple threes or two and a three.
8:11And I think Addison would be well worth that swing there.
8:14You know, I know people love to talk about the percentages of rookie picks as you go through.
8:19But, you know, I don't necessarily have to guess on this.
8:22I just need him to go somewhere that the usage is going to be what it should be.
8:27And so that's kind of why I like Addison here.
8:30I think Charbonnet would be a great other forgotten soldier.
8:32He's kind of back in the news a little bit right now.
8:36Yeah. But, you know, who would be another guy for you on this cheaper buy low sort of forgotten soldier moniker?
8:41Yeah, no, I mean, there's so many guys on this list that I personally want to want to touch on.
8:47But let's look no further than our rookie class right now and look at Eli Stowers.
8:51You finally saw Makai Lemon get some play last night and dang, he looked good doing it.
8:56I think this is a guy that had bad, you know, narrative during the offseason.
9:00But if we look at former Mackie winners, I know I've talked about it previously on this show.
9:05You've had almost 100 percent hit rate. I mean, outside of Harrison Bryant in 2019, you've had guys on that list like
9:11Tyler Warren, Brock Bowers, Mark Andrews, TJ Hawkinson, people that have given you top 10 finishes at the tight end position.
9:17And now that the Eagles with no Jalen Hurts this year might be looking more towards the future.
9:22Like this might be a guy that does that gets some play, get some looks before the end of the season.
9:27And your buy window might evaporate on him quicker than even some of these other players were mentioning.
9:32So I think history would tell you, Mackie winners normally pan out.
9:35But it's not an exact science, but I'd like to take that upside swing comparatively to where he's ranked right now.
9:41Right. No, I think these are, you know, this is a perfect example of a forgotten soldier sort of player and then
9:47kind of got trashed in the offseason and had some injuries.
9:50So really couldn't get there. And tight ends can be somebody who, you know, typically take a little bit longer to acclimate.
9:56But it feels like Philadelphia is in sort of this potential soft retool right now.
10:00And, you know, they got some capital invested in him.
10:03I think eventually he'll get a shot. Goddard's on a one year deal, I believe, kind of coming back.
10:08So I like this one a lot. And I mean, he was somebody who for a long time people were screaming from
10:14a mountaintop that he was the tight end one in this class.
10:17And I know people didn't necessarily love it, but I love the Mackie winner stat there.
10:22So I certainly think that Stowers is a very interesting sort of forgotten soldier here.
10:26So what would you pay for somebody like him?
10:28I mean, I'd be totally fine giving a late second round pickup form right now, just in a vacuum, especially if you play in a tight end premium.
10:36I think if you're trying to look at players of similar value with Eli Stowers specifically, that's where you have even more opportunity.
10:42He's fallen quite a bit down community rankings. So if I pull it up right now and we look at who's valued
10:48next to him, you're talking to Wandale Robinson, Devon Veilet, Jaden Reed, Jonathan Brooks, Jacoby Myers, Tyler Algier.
10:53I mean, there's a lot of names here that I just, quite frankly, would way prefer to hold Stowers and hope that he pans out to be something.
11:01And I could make the argument right now that, you know, most of those guys I just mentioned, their best dynasty days are behind them, right?
11:08Like, is Devon Veilet going up in value? Is Jaden Reed going up in value now that Golden and Watson are legit and he's suffering a neck injury?
11:15Is Jacoby Myers going up in value now that he's age 30?
11:19I would say no. And so, you know, I think you have the chance to potentially ship some production or maybe even
11:25some picks, like I mentioned, a late 27 for Stowers.
11:27Yeah, I'll keep it in the tight end realm here.
11:30I think Greg Dulcich is a little bit of a forgotten soldier.
11:33He was one of the favorites of the offseason for us as a cheap buy and it kind of started slow and the Dolphins started a little slow.
11:41Now it was just, you know, they just had the buy week and came back pretty strong.
11:46But before that, I mean, he was getting decent target share here.
11:49I mean, or a decent, decent looks anyway. He did have the Minnesota game where he kind of zeroed out and missed some time.
11:55But he had seven targets in week three, five targets and five targets in the last two games.
12:00In a tight end premium scenario, this is somebody who is probably relatively cheap.
12:04It could probably give you some pretty good flex production here if you need it.
12:08And this is the quintessential like, hey, he's four years in the league and has been useless.
12:13But if you believed in Dulcich and stashed him away for a while, here he comes bouncing back.
12:18And this is kind of the fun part of Dynasty, right?
12:21And we saw it at the end of last season and we're seeing it right now.
12:25Dulcich should be a nice easy button for Willis in this offense as Douglas gets healthy and Bell gets going.
12:30And, you know, Malik Washington is kind of that other person who kind of soaks up some targets and gets sort of Dulcich like usage.
12:37But I think Dulcich is going to be a solid little player here.
12:41And I think from what he's put together from last season, if this kind of continues as it's going, this lottery ticket
12:47is going to continue to gain value and be somebody who, oh, this is a startable tight end, if not, you know,
12:53flex play moving forward at a higher end clip.
12:55So I don't mind getting in right now. And I mean, just looking at the trades right now on the website, I
13:01mean, it's it's there's some straight up thirds. There's, you know, here's Higby, Schultz and Dulcich for a second and a fourth.
13:07So, you know, there's here's, you know, Dulcich for Yoshivas a couple of days ago, which seems like that can't even be a real trade.
13:14So that's probably a bad example. Here's a twenty seven third.
13:17So look, this is this is a player who has taken a while to come on.
13:21He's been in a couple of different spots, started to come on at the end of last season.
13:26And it seems like they're starting to remember, let's get Dulcich involved here in this offense.
13:31So I like the idea of Greg Dulcich here.
13:33No, I like that shout a lot. I think, like you mentioned, a lot of these guys are far more talented than
13:39their box score or their stat line is going to show right now.
13:43You know what? We're riding the tight end wave, Casey.
13:45I'm going to hit you with another tight end right now.
13:48This is make this the tight end show. AJ Barner.
13:51You know, I'm going to come off very Seattle bias here.
13:54But the fact of the matter is, is Elijah Arroyo is out for the season again.
13:58And he's not been able to do anything to cement himself in that room, although I was excited about him.
14:04But AJ Barner's opportunity share is so high. He's averaging eighty nine percent snap percentage for the Seattle Seahawks this season.
14:10That would date back to last year as well.
14:12He was in the high 80s. He's always on the field.
14:15Now this week, you finally saw it come to fruition.
14:18They started to give Sam some easier looks, some more intermediate passes, some screen opportunities with AJ Barner.
14:23He has the upside of the barnyard as well, which I really like for, you know, your flash touchdown here and there.
14:29And quite frankly, speaking as somebody who's very happy.
14:31That's their tush push, in case you were wondering what that was.
14:34The barnyard is the Seahawks tush push. No, actually.
14:37And it's been a huge staple of conversation around the Seattle Seahawks team recently because we've been so bad on third down
14:43and honestly have been struggling in the red zone with the run game over the last few weeks.
14:48I know just from being a big participant in Seattle Seahawks Twitter myself, everyone's like, what happened to the barnyard?
14:53And you saw it on Sunday Night Football there.
14:56They used it multiple times. And so I play in some first down bonuses leagues for tight ends.
15:01It's nice to get a random touchdown here and there from a tush push from AJ Barner.
15:05But fact of the matter is, he's 24 years old.
15:08This is his third year in the league. So he's going to be up for contract extension.
15:13I expect him to get paid. That always helps your dynasty value.
15:16And if you're looking at guys of similar value on the market right now, I'm just looking at community rankings.
15:21Jalen McMillan hasn't stayed healthy. I liked his upside.
15:24But at this point, if you play in a premium, I'd way rather prefer Barner.
15:28You got Tank Dell. You got Isaac Tesla just too far down the pecking order, although I think he's really talented as well.
15:34And then you've got guys like Kamani Vidal up here and Emmanuel Wilson, maybe some handcuffed running backs.
15:39So all to be said, AJ Barner, he's down at tight end 27 on community rankings.
15:43I am all the way up at tight end 16 in dynasty.
15:47Maybe I'm higher than most, but I think this is a guy that has a lot of upside in the league.
15:52And although he's not a flashy name, it's good to stash these young tight ends.
15:56He's only 24. Yeah. Yeah. And we mentioned, you know, tight ends just sometimes take a little bit longer to get kind of going.
16:03I'm a big Arroyo guy, but I can recognize that, you know, if Barner could get the usage, I think he was good.
16:09I think another Seattle Seahawks, just to stick in there real quick, is Torrey Horton Jr.
16:14You know, I think this is somebody who, you know, I think should have Shahid's spot as far as the starting wide receiver.
16:20And Cooper Cup, I don't think is going to be too much.
16:23I know that he signed a long contract for being old, but he, every time Torrey gets an opportunity, he's very, very good.
16:29So I think he should be thrown just for another Seahawk to be thrown in there with Barner.
16:34I think he's so, so talented and kind of been a little banged up here and there, but seems to be maybe
16:40on the right path of getting right. So I'm interested to see.
16:43And I think he can kind of even, you know, saying Shahid, he could also help in the return game to kind
16:49of just completely take over the Shahid position. I think he just gives you a little bit more versatility from a size frame standpoint.
16:56And he has the speed. The streets don't forget Torrey Horton.
16:59All right. Like there's a, there's an interview out there somewhere of Travis Hunter in, in the locker room talking about how
17:05Torrey Horton put him in the spin cycle. And it was like, this is a really talented player.
17:10So, Hey, if you, if you, if you like seeing that from a guy that's kind of taken over the NFL right
17:16now in Travis Hunter, I think Torrey Horton's worth a stash.
17:19Yeah. I like it. All right. I'm going to throw out, I want to throw a question you with this one.
17:25And I think you have a player that it was, has been kind of similar, but been better at it and rewarded for it.
17:31The chargers offense obviously has been just a nightmare this, this season, but Quinton Johnson is, I think in a contract year this year.
17:38If I, if I remember correctly, I think, and it's just, it's been bad.
17:41And I think they could maybe exercise the fifth year or maybe they did.
17:45But it's been bad all around. And QJ was somebody who over the past year or so when taught, when deep targeted
17:51has been very, very efficient, very, very good. This was somebody who we thought could have like a nice little resurgence and
17:57get himself a bag this coming season. And it just really hasn't happened, but it has, it's not like he's the only
18:03one you're pointing at it that it hasn't happened for.
18:06And I know he had a tough start to his career, but he had a little uptick.
18:11Is he somebody that we would maybe put on this list or are you just uninterested in Quinton Johnston?
18:16He's such a hot and cold player. And I think it'd be a disservice to the talent potentially to just write him off entirely.
18:22I just think the Chargers have done such a bad job of utilizing him to his full potential that we haven't seen it.
18:29Right. And so I think for any player I am interested in, it has to be the right price.
18:34Now, I wouldn't be going out and sending second round picks for QJ today, but I think a pocket of thirds doesn't doesn't harm anything.
18:41Right. And, and there's definitely still guys on the open market that I think other people prefer to Quinton Johnston that I would be fine.
18:47Just go in the QJ way. So overall, I think it's a fine shout.
18:51Yeah. Yeah. I know you had Alec Pierce on here and he was kind of the other guy who I feel like
18:57was, is kind of the more efficient version of QJ and got rewarded for it.
19:01Right. A hundred percent. We've had our, our, our quality stats all last year and that he was, he was the P
19:07whopper Prince basically just getting open down the field and got rewarded for it.
19:11And then had, unfortunately he's had an injury and we haven't seen him, but that's why he's on the list.
19:17Right. No, he's on the list. And to be frank, Casey, like this should be the number one, I think on this
19:22list, we probably should have started here. I hope everyone made it, made it, made it this far into the video.
19:28I just like, as far as, you know, I spent a lot of time with the dynasty market.
19:33You, you've probably seen, I go live every single day over on my channel, doing the dynasty market report and talking about fluctuating player values and all that.
19:41And Alec Pierce has been on a tankathon. Like if you talk about where he was when he signed that deal, right?
19:47A hundred million dollar deal back in February to where he is today.
19:50It is laughable. He's dropped all the way down to wide receiver 47 on community rankings.
19:55I have him up at wide receiver 35. And the fact of the matter is, is if you just look at the
20:01opportunity share alone, the Colts are now entering what's looking like a soft rebuild, right?
20:05Quentin Nelson just got shipped. We got the news right before hopping on here.
20:09I won't take too much of a victory lap on that one.
20:12But at the same time, it looks like the Colts, you know, they don't even have their future first this next year.
20:18And so they're going to be in a position where they're probably saving some cap, probably not going to spend it to extend Josh Downs.
20:25And now you're looking at a skill position room, especially if Jonathan Taylor gets shipped, of Tyler Warren and Alec Pierce being
20:31your only two guys that are locked up for the foreseeable future.
20:34And regardless of who comes into that regime, it's definitely probably not going to be Daniel Jones starting next year.
20:39And I think Alec Pierce is going to see a lion's share of opportunity.
20:43He is just the guy that they've paid and strapped themselves to.
20:46We've already seen the big play upside. When I talk about value, though, like comparatively on the open market, he's sitting next to Xavier Worthy.
20:53Keyon Coleman is one spot away from Alec Pierce.
20:56I hate to throw too much shade over on Keyon Coleman, but like outside of catching some tipped touchdown passes and, you
21:02know, two games of somewhat relevance this year, like what has he done to deserve that dynasty value compared to a guy
21:08that signed $112 million extension in the offseason? And so, you know, you've got Woody Marks in here, a 25-year-old running back.
21:14It's going to be 26 this offseason. You know, you got Malik Willis, who's potentially a bridge guy.
21:19Not sure how much long-term dynasty value he's got.
21:21I mean, I know you and I both like Emmitt Johnson and Mike Washington Jr.
21:25for what they're worth as handcuffs, but those guys are both right next to him as far as dynasty value goes in that range.
21:32And quite frankly, it's just barring any injury, neither of those guys are going to score you anywhere near the potential points that Alec Pierce does.
21:39So, yeah, a late second, no question. A mid-second, I'm fine with.
21:42And, you know, even tearing off some players that are higher up than him and starting to work your way down, I think is totally fine with me.
21:50DJ Moore to Alec Pierce. Maybe you get ahead of the curve with DJ Moore before he turns 30 years old.
21:55I got zero issue with those deals. Yeah, I love the Alec Pierce mention there.
21:59I agree that this is probably a good time to buy.
22:02We've kind of talked about dynasty being boring. And when the cycle goes down, you dip in and grab that player out and it's not fancy.
22:09It's not fun. It's not even really sexy right now until, you know, he returns to, you know, form of health and
22:15then getting some target share and scoring some points.
22:18So I like that one a lot. A couple other ones that I had on here real quick.
22:23I had Gunnar Helm on here, you know, and this is something from just the standpoint of when an ecosystem is bad
22:29and nobody wants to be involved in it. Like I don't mind buying bunches of players from there that are essentially free
22:35and nobody cares about like AO Manor and Jim DK would fall into this bucket too.
22:39But Helm, especially he's playing a lot. I think as this, if we can see Ward improve, I think Helm just naturally improves his scoring potential.
22:46Right. I know that sounds pretty, you know, simple and silly, but like, that's just right now you're not thinking about it
22:52because it's just really hard in that environment for anybody to come out outside of Tate week to week and be, you know, okay with starting them.
23:00Even up until this point, Pollard was somebody who you were probably pretty scared to start.
23:04Right. Yeah. So I like Dulcich, you know, second year in the league here.
23:08I think he's got some promise. He had some okay games last year.
23:11I think, you know, there could be, again, if we see some evolution, could be some good games down the stretch.
23:17He's somebody that's probably super uber cheap right now.
23:19And I want to throw AO Manor and DK, Jim DK in that kind of bucket.
23:24Yeah. Theo Johnson, somebody whose contract's expiring. He's super cheap and free.
23:27Nobody cares about him, but he's, he's a very athletic tight end.
23:30Kyle Williams would be somebody else I would throw in there.
23:33Oh yeah. So just, just throwing a couple of names out there kind of at the higher end of things.
23:39And then, you know, did you have any more names you want to, we had Trey Tucker.
23:43I had Trey Tucker on the list. Is Trey Tucker somebody that you would be interested in seeing if you could sneak
23:49a little back season, you know, point scoring out of, or do you think this is more of a, if you can
23:55use them to move up from something else, use them right now.
23:59Well, I think everything has its own right. So I could probably sit on the fence with that one and say, depending
24:05on what lane you're in and what your scoring format is and how shallow it is.
24:09Sure. You can move on from Trey Tucker. Like in a start nine, I'm probably just going to take my profits and,
24:15you know, maybe more people are interested in, in a, in a, in a second round pick a late second next off season.
24:21Then they are in Trey Tucker. Right. Right. Um, that all being said though, I traded for Trey Tucker the other day,
24:27Casey, it's a 16 team league start 10 and it's very, you know, deep format there.
24:32Maybe a start nine actually, but regardless, deep, deep format and, uh, my wide receiver room, not looking so good with Jalen
24:38Waddle and, uh, and Antonio Williams there. And I was like, I need some production.
24:42And so I went and bought him for a 27 third round pick.
24:45And like, if that's the price you can get Trey Tucker for, I think you probably have more upside with Trey Tucker
24:51even going into next season where, wherever he lands in the future.
24:54Right. Well, I do with a late 27 third.
24:57That's probably going to be a fourth and a 16 team league.
25:00So I think over the last few years, we've seen these bursts from him and they've just been so like the, the, the Raiders have been so bad.
25:08And I mean, bursts of like point scoring where he's, he's, he's had runs where he's been very good and very usable.
25:14I think the reality is, is he's probably a pretty solid player.
25:17Um, and he's clearly very, very fast. Um, Oh yeah.
25:20So he's a free agent coming out of this year and like, he's scoring some garbage time points with them right now.
25:26And Kirk's, you know, got a nice connection with them.
25:28How long does Kirk stay in there? How long does this thing kind of keep up?
25:33That's neither here nor there. I love the idea of buying him.
25:36If you need him to play in a third wide receiver or a flexible.
25:40Spot. And like, he's as good a gamble as, as just about anything.
25:43That's kind of that you're, if you don't have like some other steady Eddie to be plugging into those spots.
25:49Right. I mean, and they don't have a number one right now.
25:52So if, if Kirk is going to continue to feed him and grow confidence in him and say, Hey, we got to get this ball of him more.
26:00As long as he's in there, I think it's okay for this year.
26:03And he's a free agent heading into next year.
26:06And so if he gets into a scenario where, Hey, he ends up being somebody's, you know, two, and they're going to use them as such.
26:13Look, he could become Shahid somewhere else. Or he could become, you know.
26:16Well, I mean, you just, you just tell me, Casey, you're sitting right in front of it right now.
26:22You don't think the San Francisco 49ers would be benefiting massively from Trey Tucker in that wide receiver room today.
26:27You don't think Shanahan would like to use them on some screenplays with that speed or give them some end arounds like they used to do with Debo.
26:35I mean, yeah, I'm speaking things into existence maybe that aren't there right now, but like, yeah.
26:39Trey Tucker for a third, a package of thirds.
26:42I'll send two. I don't care. Right. Yeah. So I don't mind that.
26:45That's a, that's a fun one. And he was, he's just kind of got relevant in the last couple of weeks.
26:51He was dead, dead a minute ago. And now he's like semi-relevant.
26:54So there's probably still some meat on that bone to kind of go attack that with anything else you want to hit on these.
27:01And then, you know, I got a bunch of just loose stashes here that we could go through.
27:06We could throw names out on in there. Last one.
27:08I just wanted to include because we were talking about how, you know, the chargers are just a team that nobody wants to invest in right now.
27:16When you were talking about Quentin Johnston and, and his potential, you know, departure this off season, which I think is going to happen.
27:22Let's stick with the trays. I think Trey Harris is a good piece to buy right now.
27:27Like, you know, he's a guy that I really liked.
27:30I know from even watching you guys in the past and, and, you know, chatting ball with you guys and chef and everything.
27:36Like you guys were Trey Harris guys as well.
27:38And I just think, you know, this chargers team is absolutely going to see better days.
27:43That wide receiving core is, is dwindling a bit.
27:45They're going to have some guys vacate this off season.
27:48I really thought Trey Harris was like a polished prospect coming out.
27:51And I think he's looked good in short stints here.
27:54That chargers offense can just not be anemic. Trey Harris might, might have wide receiver two upside and he's still got time left on his rookie deal.
28:01So, you know, no one wants to buy the chargers right now.
28:05I'll also up up Trey Harris. I could not agree more.
28:08I had him on here, but I was like, man, I feel like I always talk about this guy.
28:13So I'm glad you did it. And I didn't.
28:15It's okay. Now you can just piggyback me. It's all.
28:18Yeah. No, I mean, I think we were starting to see an emergence of him taking a bigger role in this team.
28:24Unfortunately got a little hurt, even though it was really shitty.
28:27Like it did seem like he was starting to be somebody that like, all right, Hey, we're going to put a little
28:33more on this guy and he will see if he can kind of evolve to the next level.
28:38And I have no, I have all the confidence in the world that he would have or, and will maybe throughout the rest of the season.
28:45We'll see how they look kind of coming out of the buy there.
28:48So I really liked that one a lot, of course.
28:51All right. Let's kind of just throw some, some stashes then against the wall here and see what sticks and, and, um,
28:57you know, to start it off, I think there's just some expiring contract running backs that I like, like tank Bigsby's off
29:03going to be off the rookie deal this year.
29:06He got hurt, but I think he's a solid player.
29:08Right. And then Sean Tucker is another expiring running back that has shown glimpses of being good.
29:13Right. Um, there are some other running backs we like, like, like Ray Davis.
29:17Um, but you know, he's, he's got still has two years left on his deal.
29:21I love Isaiah Davis. You like Braylon Allen. I don't mind Braylon Allen, but both of those guys still have a lot of his deal.
29:28They still have two, all those guys still have two years on their deals, unfortunately.
29:32So this is stash him injury, not stash him because they're going somewhere else.
29:35Right? No, for sure. And at least on the Braylon Allen one, like this guy is still 22 years old.
29:41So like, yeah, he's going to have his rookie deal, uh, still for a few more years, but even when it's up,
29:47you're talking about a 24 year old back that's entering his second contract has shown you some good flashes.
29:52And even what he's doing for you right now is, is nothing short of at least, you know, a backend starter level in the league.
29:59Absolutely. Absolutely. So, um, there's some running backs sort of there that, that are, are sort of interesting and, and have some expiring contracts.
30:05Um, there's some quarterbacks that are going into with a free agency this year.
30:09Davis Mills is one who, if you needed some sports, some spot start duty from them, I don't think he's necessarily going
30:15to go be a starter anywhere for per se.
30:18Um, but he's always been pretty solid when called upon, um, Anthony Richardson, I'll never quit him.
30:22Um, he's also potentially out after this year, maybe he'll get some run.
30:26I kind of don't even want him to. Um, and now it is interesting.
30:30There is some murmuring of just like, you know, Shane Seichen pulled Richardson for bad play and Daniel Jones is not getting the same treatment.
30:36So maybe there was a little animosity and hatred towards him.
30:39Look, I'm not saying that Richardson deserved not to be benched, but you know, if he could get in a different environment,
30:45like again, God, what if a Shanahan gets ahold of him?
30:48Yeah. You know, and maybe it's nothing, maybe he stinks, but like I'll, the, the fantasy floor is there for Anthony Richardson.
30:54If we could just improve just the little things, just, just being able to check it down and hitting a couple of open things.
31:01Cause we've seen the crazy place. They're there. It's there.
31:04Um, and it seemed like it maybe got a little better in this off season as far as, uh, doing some of
31:10those things when we did see a little bit of them.
31:13So, um, Anthony Richardson would be, uh, and, and Davis mills expiring contracts.
31:16Your boy drew lock came in and had some, some good play, which I think he was kind of dead dead.
31:22So, yeah. Yeah. I don't know if he's for sure going to land a starting gig, but he's at bare minimum, one
31:28of the best twos in the league. So if anyone goes down and needs to trade for a quarterback or something, I
31:34think drew locks not a bad guy to stash on your roster.
31:37Right. And you know, I, I saw a tweet the other day of, of, I think it was Paul Pat Peterson, Patterson,
31:43um, the pure potential guy, um, saying, uh, you know, that it's the biggest fallacy and dynasty to not stash quarterbacks.
31:49And I can, I couldn't disagree more. Right. Uh, I think these are extremely valuable to be stashing quarterbacks, whether it's spot
31:55duty or help you get in trades done or a reclamation project that comes to fruition.
31:59And really, you know, there's been countless ones of those.
32:02We don't need to name them all. Um, and I'm sure there will be more.
32:06And I'm also sure that if you're saying that you can't get it, like you talk about league economy all the time,
32:12Stan, like, yeah, there's probably some league economies where you can't get anything for those quarterbacks.
32:16But if I had to guess, you're probably trying to get too much for those quarterbacks.
32:21Uh, whereas they could go ahead. No, no, no.
32:23And one thing you were saying on this that I just wanted to touch on, because I understand the dynasty is totally
32:29different for a bunch of different people. A lot of leagues these days, I feel like have fallen into the trap of
32:35like, I'm a contender or I'm a full rebuilder.
32:38And now you've got this weird league economy, you know, dynamic where yeah, it's stashing some of those quarterbacks don't matter.
32:43Right. Because of the six teams that are competing probably are three deep at quarterback because everyone's sold their assets to tank for Jeremiah Smith.
32:50Right. And so like those leagues. Yeah. If you play in those, sorry, tough luck, call me crazy, but I still play
32:56in a ton of leagues where everybody's pretty competitive.
32:59Like there's 10 teams every year trying to win.
33:01And if you're in one of those leagues, of course, quarterbacks are important.
33:05And like you said, I couldn't disagree with that statement more because I've got tons of leagues where drew lock, Tyler Huntley,
33:11like all these guys are just getting stashed on my roster and I'm six quarterbacks deep in the backup department.
33:16I'm even stashing Trey Lance in some leagues. Right.
33:18But like those things matter because in those competitive leagues, people will give you a fourth round pick for Huntley for two weeks.
33:25Right. And that wouldn't happen in your contender rebuilder or, you know, or Jalen Daniels could have gotten you a third and
33:31in some leagues if you, if you had Baker for some, you know, things happen.
33:35Right. And you could just say, well, that, well, that's not worth me stashing those guys.
33:39And it's like, well, look, if it's an FFPC league or if it's a shallow bench, of course not.
33:44But most leagues that I play in with, with serious dynasty players who are not just either in full on, you know,
33:50contender or rebuild mode, like you're saying, where there is a good league economy where it's fairly balanced and everybody stays pretty competitive.
33:57It's usually 40 deep, right? Where you're playing in deeper leagues.
34:00And it's the most recent example, but it's like, were you not happy about stashing Malik Willis on your bench last year?
34:06And like this off season, I had him in one of my leagues.
34:09I traded him along with Chris Rodriguez and a third to get up to Brees Hall to a quarterback needy team.
34:15I'm feeling really good about that. And all I had to do was just hold Malik Willis on my roster for a couple of years.
34:22Like these quarterbacks do have value. Yeah. There's multiple angles where they make a lot of sense.
34:26And again, there are some times where I'm sure people have some different experience, but overall, generally I disagree with the, with the sentiment of that.
34:33And, and again, I also, you know, I saw as well as this going around of like people arguing of like how
34:39trading should work in the, in the back and forth.
34:42And like, I like the back and forth. Some people don't want to do the back and forth because you're busy.
34:48Look, I'm busy too. So like, that's why I'm not constantly sending trades.
34:51I think it out and I try to talk to the person and then people are like, oh, well, the person who
34:57tries to squeeze you for that extra three. And it's like, buddy, you should be trying to squeeze them for the extra three.
35:04It's ridiculous that you're, that's, you even think that that's not like, and then you're like, oh, who cares?
35:09It's a 20% hit rate. It's not about that.
35:11And number one, I'm pretty decent at drafting the third rounders, you know, and number two, like, it's not about that.
35:17It's about what else you can do with that.
35:19Helping me move around in draft, helping me get over the hump on a trade.
35:23Like, it's not just about that one third. It's now I've collected three thirds.
35:27Right. And now I can do something with that.
35:30Right. It's not just about that singular piece. Right.
35:32And so for you to be flippant about those things, that just tells me that again, you're just in a jabroni league.
35:38Um, I just, I, you know, those things, Matt, you get into, you get in the draft and you want to move
35:44up a couple of spots and you got three threes, you know, that might do it for somebody.
35:49Somebody might say, Hey, I don't like this spot.
35:52And I love that spot. And they like the spot back here.
35:55That happens. There's a difference of opinions. And maybe the draft board is playing out exactly how that guy wanted it to.
36:01And you're like, Ooh, this is a screaming value.
36:03And he doesn't like the screaming value. So he'll take the move.
36:07You know what I mean? So there's so many different ways to value those picks to flippantly just throw them away because
36:13you're looking at the percentage of an overall thing is silly to me.
36:16So you're 200% right. I won't even add too much to it.
36:19And the fact that like, yes, this is not a commentary on the 2026 class.
36:23There will be another time for this conversation. But like I had people left and right telling me, Oh, those 26 thirds don't matter at all.
36:30There was multiple leagues this year, Casey, where I swooped up Ted Hurst at 310 and Jacoby Lane at 302 and Antonio Williams at 211.
36:37And I moved, you know, the 301 or the 303.
36:40Caleb Douglas in the fourth. Yeah. Caleb Douglas in the fourth.
36:43Like, you know, like it's just these players, these players that are just disregarding all picks and value at all.
36:48Like, yeah, just, yeah, it's, you know, I understand the argument and I want to know the percentages, but like, again, I
36:54have this conversation all the time and we had one famously with Matt Kelly is just like, I get the running back
37:00and the wide receiver after this round and the percentage of hit and this and that.
37:05And it's like, I'm not talking about all of them.
37:08I'm talking about the ones that I roll my sleeves up and did the work on and have an okay reputation of saying, Hey, I hit those guys.
37:15We're all going to have misses, but like, man, this draft class for as many videos as were made of saying, this
37:21is the worst class ever trade all the, all your picks away seems to be pretty good.
37:26So it's probably some bad evaluation going on out there because it wasn't just standing out on a spreadsheet and easy, easy work for you.
37:33So you had to roll up your sleeves and do a little bit of work.
37:37Anyway, off the soapbox. Now we will throw a couple more players out here.
37:40Cause I had a couple more on here. Flournoy seems interesting.
37:43I don't know what the plight of Pickens will be next year.
37:47He's probably not gonna be a Dallas Cowboy, but he seems like an okay player.
37:51Maybe you stash him. Who else was on here?
37:53Let's see. I've got Jordan Watkins, obviously, you know, been a Niners guy for a little while, but I think we just
37:59saw a little bit of it and it was, it was fun flashing the pan there.
38:04Um, any, anybody else that you want to just kind of throw out there as like a, like a deeper stash sort of mustache player here.
38:11Yeah. I'll throw out a couple. Uh, one, I know this is a super deep session.
38:15It's a, it's a rookie from this year. So, you know, maybe the guy's not ready to move off him yet, but
38:21I still think Adam Randall is like such an interesting prospect, like converted wide receiver to running back, huge frame, like very
38:27reminiscent of Derek Henry gets the chance to learn under him.
38:30He was picked by the owner. Like they gave the Baltimore Ravens owner the pick to make.
38:35And so if you're talking about guys that like, you know, potentially have some swing in the, in that office of like, Hey, give this guy a chance.
38:42Maybe Adam Randall will see a chance someday. Um, the only other one that's, you know, maybe not the most popular because
38:48at times he has bricks for hands, but like Troy Franklin was such a young prospect.
38:53I really liked him at Oregon. Like, you know, him and Bo Nix went on some stretches in college there.
38:58And so like, you know, for, for guys that you can just stash and, and that, that might have future upside outside of their rookie deal.
39:05Troy Franklin might be one of them. Like at times last year, he was looking like a solid wide receiver too for, for stretches.
39:12And on top of that, when I talk about young, like he is really young, I think he's still 23 years old.
39:18So by the time his rookie contracts up, like he'll still not even be 25.
39:22So yeah. I mean, even Marvin Mims over there, he is, I think he is a free agent coming this year.
39:27Troy Franklin, I think has one more year, but he's, he had to be a lot of some run there too.
39:33That was, was okay as well. And those, you know, those are the kinds of players, I mean, it's not fun.
39:39It's not sexy. And a lot of people scoff at those kinds of things and that's fine.
39:44You know, I'm not here to change everybody's mind, but like to me that this is the fun part of these deeper
39:50stashes and we'll continue to do more stash episodes.
39:52You know, I've got, I could throw out a million names and tear them all up and do all sorts of fun
39:58stuff, but wanted to throw this one out here as, as some names to kind of not forget about that are, you know, aren't that fun.
40:05Aren't that sexy? So I'm sure a lot of you will hate this episode because it wasn't the big time players.
40:11But I think, I think this is important. And I think we lose sight of dynasty a lot of saying like, well,
40:17if they aren't one of the best ones, then they stink.
40:20And it's like the dynasty build of a, of a roster, unless you're in a bad league is you're going to need
40:26the just good players here to fill out the back end of rosters and to have on your bench to fill, to
40:32backfill those spots to win your championships. Like, yeah, yeah.
40:34If you got a stacked roster, it is what it is.
40:37I mean, you know, that's not what I'm talking about.
40:40So that doesn't happen when you're in a competitive league nine times out of 10.
40:44That's, that's not what happened. And even on a stack team, like in a year or two, anything could happen.
40:50And all of a sudden they're like, oh man, not, not, not so mighty and powerful anymore.
40:54So totally, man. Totally. Hey, you know, my, my deep format heads, they're going to love this episode.
40:59You know, my start 11, start 12ers. There's some gems in there for you.
41:03Okay. Yeah. And there's many, many more out there that I'm sure we didn't answer where you're what about this guy.
41:09Let us know in the comments. We'll do the show again, multiple times.
41:12I'm sure. Make sure you go check out Stan at the dynasty price check.
41:16Make sure you're subscribed to this channel. Make sure you're checking out the redraft channel.
41:20Shav and Jeremiah are doing a lot of great work over there.
41:23And we have a redraft channel. So make sure you check that out.
41:27Need to be plugging that more over here. But it's a good show.
41:31And, and, and, and, you know, you can even gain dynasty stuff out of it as far as like, they're just doing
41:37a lot of this or that kind of stuff.
41:39Right. So like in dynasty, it becomes sort of redraft from a sit, start perspective, you know, in season.
41:44So Casey, you just said it. And I, I like, you know, not to continue to plug the redraft channel, but I
41:50love watching some redraft content here and there, because it's good to know where people's heads are at in redraft so that
41:56you can play the dynasty psychology game even better.
41:59Like, you know, obviously the way people are valuing guys like Jalen Warren, who I mentioned earlier in redraft are so high
42:05that trickles into dynasty, you know, absolutely worth a first round pick.
42:08Now that I've seen already because people are so high on him in their three redraft leagues and now I have two
42:14dynasty leagues that they've got them in as well.
42:16Right. And so like this stuff is all synonymous.
42:19Yeah, absolutely. Well, again, if you're hungry for more, Stan has plenty of stuff over on his channel, the dynasty price check.
42:25You heard him. He's, he's streaming stuff every day, like a maniac.
42:28And you can go interact with him anytime you want and tell him how smart or how dumb he is and that the Seahawks stink.
42:35So go Niners and we'll see you next week.
42:37See you guys. Quentin Nelson. You gotta be kidding me.